Ep. 2484 - Capitalism Is Under Attack. Here’s Why.

Woke One. That was AOC's term for the Woke Nightmare that we experienced over the past decade or so. It argued that racism is the key motivating factor in American life. Woke One fell apart because most Americans innately understood, after a while, that it was total crap. That America is not racist and that most Americans are not racist. So now we've moved on to Woke Two, the revenge. Woke Two, Posits, the capitalism is the problem. Free markets you see create imperialism and colonialism and racism and exploitation. All your problems are the fault of free markets. Destroy those markets, hand power to your best friends in the government and all will be well. Capitalism is under heavy fire today. They're going to defend capitalism and we'll explain the problem and we'll talk about how to solve the crusade against capitalism. We will also be joined by Patrick Bettevitt of the PBD podcast plus Florida AG James Uffmeier stops by to explain his plans for prosecuting Anthony Fachi and we'll get to the continuing anti-Americanism of Woke Two, to Woke Two Furious. This is the Ben Shapiro show. So it is perfectly obvious that we are at this point in the middle of an all out assault on free markets. It's coming predominantly from the left, but not just from the left. Large segment of the right is very anti free markets at this point as well. So before we get to that assault, I need to show you a chart. This right here is probably the most important chart in human history. This is a chart of global average GDP per capita over the long run, meaning global gross domestic product per capita, starting at about 1600 forward through 2025. And what is this chart show? Well, for those who are not watching, basically it shows that people had zero GDP per capita essentially all the way through the early 19th century and then free markets happen and then exponential explosion of GDP per capita. That is the actual chart. Exponential growth from close to zero to verging on $25,000 global average GDP per capita over the long run. And pretty astonishing, right? So easy story. Everybody was dirt poor, literally dirt poor. Then we did private property rights and free markets and now everyone is by any stretch exponentially richer. Now that is not because of government centralization of resources. That was done for all of human history. It's not because of vast tickets of bureaucratic regulations. That was done for a long time too. It's because of a very simple proposition. You own your own labor and the product of your labor. You own your own innovation and the products of that innovation and you should be free to sell, rent or trade them. Period. That's the whole thing. So capitalism, big success, the chart should end in the debate, but of course it does not. There are now a variety of arguments being leveled against capitalism. They come down to basically two arguments in the end. Argument number one, capitalism creates inequality. Right. So you might say to yourself, well, hold up. If capitalism creates inequality, but everybody's wealthier, isn't that still better than the alternative? Doesn't it doesn't inequality in wealth? Beat equality and absolute poverty. The answer is yes, but not according to Bernie Sanders. Bernie in his book. It's okay to be angry about capitalism, which again, the whole book is there are so many things wrong with earth. And I don't like any of those things. And so capitalism's bad. So he writes, economic system with its excessive corporate greed and concentration of ownership and power destroys anything that gets in its way of the pursuit of profits. It destroys the environment. It destroys our health. It destroys our democracy. It discards human beings without a second thought. Says the millionaire with the lake house. And of course, it is not just Bernie Sanders, it's all about the inequality, the inequality, the greed. Here is Zarmam Donnie doing this routine in front of a United Colors of Benetan ad, And George Washington's desk, which was backwards. And from the New York City Mayor's office, on July 3rd, in an insult to America and George Washington. We see the wealthiest country in the history of the world. And where children go to sleep hungry while the world's first trillionaire hungers for more. We see monopolies that dominate every industry and oligarchs who buy elections. We see masked agents terrorizing our streets, eating food cooked by our undocumented neighbors before spiraling them away and unmarked vans. We see a nation whose immense wealth has been built by those with calloused dirt street tans, those who toil on factory floors and chisel into stone. And we see a nation that has allowed so much of that wealth to be held instead. And the soft hands. We don't need to hear the rest of it. It's nonsense. Okay, right. Again, it's all about the poor versus the rich in equality and its cruelty and monopoly. And of course, this is not just from Zarmam Donnie, it's also from Tauke Carlson, who does not understand how economics work and doesn't care to understand how economics works. Shut up, Ben Shapiro. But he says it's unfair that people in finance make more than wage earners putting aside the fact that people in finance are the ones who actually undertake the risk. And wage earners earn a wage that is guaranteed by someone else. So if you have a tax code, for example, just to name one example, if you have a tax code that taxes wage earners at more than twice the percentage it taxes investors, what are you saying? Well, you're saying it's twice as virtuous to invest money or to inherit money and keep it in the markets as it is to go to work in the morning. Really? Of course, that's what you're saying. No, that is not what you're saying. Because any tax code penalizes the impious acts, the bad things, the vices, cigarettes, plus $18 a pack because we're against smoking. So if being an ordinary wage earner, driving in from the suburbs to make 80 grand a year, if that's taxed at twice the rate of being a private equity baron, what are we saying that it's twice as virtuous to be a private equity baron and to inherit money or to invest? No, what does virtue have to do with tax rates? No, wrong. Okay, stop it. Okay, so again, stop this nonsense. Okay, so again, that's just stupid. Okay, there are plenty of taxes that you pay. There are not a tax on vice. He's naming a vice tax, right, which is cigarettes. But there are taxes on properties. Is it a vice to own property in the United States? There's a tax on death. Right? So that's a tax that presumably he's in favor of. Is it a, is it a, is it a vice to die? Like that, that's wrong. The reason why capital gains are taxed at a lower rate, for example, than wages is because they've mostly already been taxed, right? You take your money from your wage and then you invest that money in the markets and then the gain from that is what is taxed as a capital gain. That would be the reason. But it doesn't care to understand. It doesn't care to understand because it's unfair. Everything's unfair. And of course, Tucker believes that capitalism is also evil because, you know, capital is somehow empties you of your soul. This is what he told the, the New York Times. It cuts against families, capitalism, as opposed to communism, which literally destroys families or economic fascism, which also destroys families. Capitalism is to blame. Any economic system in which, you know, the overwhelming majority of the rewards go to an ever shrinking number of people or proportion of people is a doom system because it makes people revolutionized. I saw this in Venezuela, which I visited as a child. It was a prosperous kind of first world country, beautiful country, actually. And then it, of course, it proceeded along the path we're on. And the resentment built and you had this very volatile combination of electoral politics, a democracy and, you know, an economic oligarchy and those two don't work well together. And you had a left wing populist tick over. So his story about Venezuela is that there was too much capitalism. Now that's his story about Venezuela. It caused inequality and all the rest. Man, he should try some government interventionism in Venezuela. See how that works. Okay, so that's argument one. Capitalism causes inequality. Now, again, every system causes inequality unless everyone is equally poor. It turns out that the Soviet Union was really unequal. Stalin had a very nice life and most people were dirt poor and were starving. In just one second, we'll get to another argument made by the anti-capitalist that your soul is robbed by those who promote free markets. Well, that's stupid, but I'll tell you what is not, in fact, stupid, paying less for your same cellphone coverage, right? Your wireless bill shows up every month. You pay it eventually. You just start accepting that you have to pay too much, but that's not true. Why are you paying this much? Why? Especially when switching doesn't necessarily mean sacrificing the things that you actually care about. That's what caught my attention about pure talk in the first place. 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Okay, but argument number two is that capitalism is not spiritually fulfilling. It's not providing you your meaning in life. Aaron Tucker in 2019 doing this routine. But first Republican leaders will have to acknowledge that market capitalism is not a religion. Market capitalism is a tool like a staple gun or a toaster. You'd have to be a fool to worship it. Our system was created by human beings for the. benefit of human beings. We do not exist to serve markets just the opposite. Any economic system that weakens and destroys families is not worth having. A system like that is the enemy of a healthy society. Again, the idea that capitalism weakens and destroys families and undermines religion and all this kind of stuff. Tucker's not the only one who has said this historically. Here is a quote. I'm going to read you the quote and then I will give you the source. Okay? Quote. The Western way of life found it in effect on practical and technical knowledge, discovery, invention and the flooding of world markets with mechanical product has remained incapable of offering two men's minds, a flicker of light, a ray of hope, a grain of faith, or of providing anxious persons the smallest path to a rest and twine tranquility. Man is not simply an instrument among others. Naturally he has become tired of purely materialistic conditions and desires from spiritual comfort. But the materialistic life of the West could only offer him as reassurance, a new materialism of sin, passion, drink, women noisy gatherings and show you attractions which he has come to enjoy. Sounds like Tucker Carlson, but actually it is the son of Albaughna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood who called for an international arms struggle against colonial rule by Muslims and argued for like full-scale jihad. So again, this is sort of where we are right now. A gigantic coalition of people who despise capitalism, people who find it spiritually unfulfilling, who claims that it robbed, who claim that it robbed us of our individuality or say that it is the thing that creates inequality, they are all uniting. They are their own uniparty, everyone from communist to post liberal integralist to quasi-fascist to radical Muslims. Why? Well, because in essence capitalism makes two arguments. One, you are an individual created in the image of God with individual desires wants needs and capabilities. And two, so long as those desires wants needs and capabilities do not harm anyone else and do not violate basic morality, they ought to remain in your control. Now, this kind of new red-green brown anti-capitalist party believes that's not true. They really kind of believe the same thing that the French Revolutionaries believe that the collective vision of man is paramount, private property and free markets cut against that vision. And these folks can't build utopia without destroying that vision. They promise utopia, by the way, either a communist utopia with government-owned grocery stores like Zorn Momsani, the warmth of collectivism, or an Islamic utopia with the caliphate at the head, or the agrarian utopia run by kind-hearted feudal lords. It's all crap, so why are people believing it? There are a few reasons, first, in gratitude. Human life in its natural state is nasty, brutish, and short. On a material level, pretty much everything sucked for all of human history until property rights contract law and credit were invented and turned large swathes of the world, including places difficult to live, into semi-bearable places for the first time ever. But here's the truth. Most people living in the West right now have never spent time in truly poor places that don't have any of the things that we think of as vital. When you start thinking that human life in its natural state is a microwave, a central AC, a car, two TVs, a cell phone, a furnished apartment or a house, and you start comparing yourself to what could be in utopia. This is why when you hear Gavin Newsom, a very, very wealthy man, say capitalism does not. It doesn't work. Like, I don't believe you, sir. I don't believe you believe this even. Well, capitalism, as you know it, meaning, you know, corporatism, that might be a problem. That's not capitalism, right? Which is the second point. A lot of people think that what's happening right now economically is the result of capitalism, but it's not actually capitalism. It's cronism or it is markets being dictated to by the government. What we used to call economic fascism. So for example, here's a Colorado DSA dem nominate in a Malak Kiro, she's running for Congress, saying that capitalism is about monopolies. When folks think of capitalism, I think they think of free markets and competition and, you know, innovation. And what do you think of? I think of monopolies. I think of capitalism if it's a monopoly. Well, and that's the question, right? Because in unfettered capitalism, it does end up leading to monopolies. That if there's no guffret intervention. I mean, that's nonsense. It's just nonsense. The number of natural monopolies is extraordinarily low. Natural monopolies, meaning one company owns everything in the space and competitors cannot enter vanishingly low. It's usually government interventionism that creates monopoly. And listen, when you have DSA co-chair Megan Romer calling Russia hyper capitalist. I mean, these people don't know what they're talking about. Russia is an oligarchy run by Vladimir Putin for the benefit of his friends. We do not believe in pouring US money, military weapons into anything. We don't think it makes it better anywhere. But obviously, Russia is this oligarchy dictatorship, which is hyper capitalist. And Putin is this crazy right-wing oligarch. Of course, he is going to make horrific human life-ending decisions. Russia is hyper capitalist. I mean, you have to be more on believe this. But this is also what happens when people purportedly of the right get involved in statist interventions. So I have been very, very much opposed to the government taking stock in private companies. This has happened some 30 times under the Trump administration. Here's President Trump bragging about buying intel stocks with government money. That is not in fact a capitalist thing because he is not using the products of his own labor in order to buy other things, using the products of your labor in order to buy other people's companies. That is not capitalism. That is statism. We had a problem with intel and we settled the problem. They gave us 10 percent of the company. That was worth $12 billion. And since we had the company, you probably have been watching the stock has gone up many, many times. Just about number one. And we made $82 billion. Do I get credit for that? No. Did anybody say great job. And by the way, it's for the country. It's not for me. It's for the country. I have to be very plain about that. But no, we've made about 80 hours. It's pretty close to 80 billion. A profit of 80 billion dollars. Again, I didn't make the profit. You didn't make the profit. Where's the profit? And that's not how that works. And obviously it is true that everything the government subsidizes gets more expensive. Famous chart from the Bureau of Labor Statistics demonstrating overall inflation over time in particular products. Basically, the more the government is involved and the more the prices go up. Okay. So people mix up capitalism for cronism or state ism or economic fascism. Third reason capitalism is under fire. People have incredibly short memories. There are a lot of other models that have been tried elsewhere and are still being tried and failed. But we still keep bringing them back as though these are live discussions. Why not try centralized government with price controls? Because we've done that a thousand times and it's really it's crap. It's really bad. Why not try a religious theocracy with the wisest invested that? Oh, yeah. Like a lot of countries did that for several centuries. And there are some places around the earth that are still trying to do it. And it's really garbage. Why not try economic fascism with the bureaucratic government that picks winners and losers? Yeah, we've tried that too. And it's not great. And finally, fourth, we've just not felt the consequences yet of all of this interventionism. We are trying bunch of these experiments right now and they are going to fail. We are going to crash and burn. But again, when you jump from a burning building, the first few stories are fine. It's the last one that's a doozy. So what should we do differently? Well, I mean, listen, it may be worth conceding that a lot of young voters with a predilection for the DSA, haven't had a positive case made to them about capitalism ever. And that many of them have been living with the political effects of the 2008 financial crash and the stagnation of Obama and the subsequent bailout and how it was perceived by the public and then COVID and all the rest. And there's a lot to be said about affordability because of COVID era and post COVID era inflation. And there's a ton to be said about the fact that young people don't remember the Soviet Union. Whatever the reason the polling on young voters and socialism is pretty obvious. A meaningful chunk of an entire generation views socialism favorably. And a rising number are identifying as part of the DSA. Right. In fact, if you look at Democrats under age 50, social democracy plus 57, socialism plus 35 free market economy only plus 22 minus 31 for capitalism because they don't understand that that's even the same thing. Among Republicans, obviously, they got a better Republicans 50 plus remember all this stuff. So plus 54 for free markets plus 48 for capitalism minus 45 for social democracy and minus 93 for communism. But again, we got a problem. We do Republicans under the age of 50 are only minus 15 on social democracy, which is kind of left wing European economics. Now, it's partially true that very often when people talk about these labels, they have no idea what the hell they're talking about. They don't know what they're endorsing at all. The semantic overload on socialism, communism, capitalism is through the roof. And again, people didn't even know that the stuff means, which is why they're just ignorant. A lot of voters who support Medicare for all believe it can be paid for only by billionaires. Like 47% of voters believe that is definitely true. And another 27% believe that it is probably true that you can fully pay for by raising taxes on billionaires. That is not true. not true at all. It is not remotely true. In fact, only 40% of the American public understands that Medicare for all can only be paid for by raising taxes on most taxpayers, including the middle class. So they've just been lied to you over and over and over again. So what do we need to do? First, we need to point out the stupidity and failure of all the anti-capitalist arguments. Zor Momzani is just praying on people's idiocy, truly, like their ignorance. He put out a video where he is saying he's going to crack down on Amazon because Amazon is exploitative. Again, this is all just anti-business trash. It really is. Special delivery. It looks like an Amazon delivery. And it drives like an Amazon delivery. An S.A. Amazon delivery. Amazon is spending millions of dollars to convince you that this isn't an Amazon delivery. But all you have to do to see for yourself. I don't know if it says Amazon. If I don't wear this Amazon branded vest, the disciplinary action will be taken against us. The workers, routes, and hours are set by Amazon. So why isn't Amazon responsible for these men? Because Amazon and other corporations have built a vast network of subcontractors that shield them from responsibility. Amazon tells these subcontractors where to drive, who to hire, and what hours to work. I do all the work that makes them go all the money. What? It makes you money. You're getting waged sponsored by Council Number Tiffany Kalan. Because if Amazon is delivering your packages, they should follow the same rules of every other delivery. When injuries and worker accidents skyrocket, Amazon says they have nothing to do with it. They can't have it both ways. Well, I mean, that's a subcontractor. What? This is so stupid. I'm sorry, I can't. You know why this is dumb? Because you're just going to put a bunch of subcontractors out of business. That's all. That's all that's going to happen. If Amazon feels its liability, indirectly absorbing the cost of delivery, in certain areas of New York City, as you hide, they just won't deliver in those places. How do we know this? Because they literally pulled out of building in New York because of AOC. You're just killing subcontracting jobs. That is how I love when we pretend that we don't know what words mean. A subcontractor is a person you hire to do a task. That's what a subcontractor is. Oh my goodness. No wonder Florida is now trolling. Zorn Mamdani with a Times Square billboard calling him the economic developer of the year in Florida. Yeah, that's, that's right. And calling out the stupidity is definitely a big step here and a thing that absolutely needs to be done. Second, we do need to remind people that capitalism kicks ass. Capitalism is great. Free markets rock. They're great. And the people who tend to make you all the money are incredibly creative and innovative. It is not that they are uniquely greedy. It's that they are uniquely innovative and they work their asses off. Palmer Lucky, who is the founder of anoreal, talks about the fact that the people who make billions of dollars tend to be obsessed with work, not money, like doing creative things. This is true. I know a lot of billionaires. All of them, all of them were obsessed with building their company, not because of the money, but because they were obsessed with their company. The money was a byproduct. What I've observed with myself and everyone else I know who's made a billion dollars is that the type of person who makes a billion dollars is not the kind of guy who can, who can imagine doing that. It's just people, people say, oh, you know, if I had a billion, I'd go and I'd drink my ties on the beach. At my point is, but that, that's the attitude that won't get you to a billion dollars. It's very rare that the two things come together. And so it's, in a way, it's a little bit of a curse. I'm not trying to make it sound like I have a terrible life. I love my life. But the curse of it is that anyone who can get to a billion is probably something's wrong with their brain, no matter how much they get, they'll stop working. People also misunderstand. They think that billionaires work to make more money. They're just trying to make more and more. They just want money. I can tell you, most billionaires, the sickness is not gathering dollars. It's working. I mean, that is true. The motor is just built different. It is. It is. You can make your motor work that way, by the way. Again, capitalism free markets are inspiring because of this. Look at this image. Right. Elon put up this, this picture on his Twitter of him looking at the wreckage of Falcon 1 from 2006. He said, next time you feel like giving up because it turns out, of course, now SpaceX is one of the bigger companies on planet Earth. Hey, third, we need to teach some actual gumption. I know we have to say the tough thing and I know people don't like hearing the tough thing, but we do need to say it. So here is Bill Mar saying the obvious. Certainly, any company that has a blue collar workforce is going full on. Jim Farley told me, he's got 5,000 empty bays at Ford. These are AI proof six figure jobs, right? 120,000 a year. He can't fill them. He can't fill them. And that's, but they're out there. That's what I'm everywhere. Well, there's 7 million men, able bodied men, mostly young, who are what they call, nilf. Nilf is not in labor for in the labor force. This is different than unemployed. Unemployment means you're looking, but you can't find a job. This is not looking. Again, it is not hatred to push the idea that people should try to find jobs. That is tough love. 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I thought it was a fascinating conversation, but one of the topics that we didn't really get to spend a lot of time on was what I see is really the biggest risk to the west into America right now. That is the threats to capitalism. We did talk about this on your podcast. Some, but I really want to get your opinion on it. Right now we are watching as there is a full scale assault on capitalism from a wide variety of sides. Actually, it's not just the sort of communist left, but you're also seeing it from what I've called the horseshoe right, communitarians. People who believe that the free markets are somehow the problem. There's a lot of somebody who obviously runs a very successful business and has been extremely operative in the economic space. What do you make of the attacks that you're seeing right now on capitalism itself? You know, Ben, I'll tell you this. The analogy I would give is a final. Let's just say you're at a low point of your life. Affordability is pretty tough for some people. Some people are having a hard time with gas prices, income, they're worried about AI. So imagine you're stranded at a party. And there's a guy in the corner that has a solution for you. He's the rich guy. He's succeeded. He saw the problems. He changed his life, but he doesn't want to come talk to you. Then there's one guy that comes and talks to you and all he says is go find a job. But the third person that comes and talks to you for three hours at this party is the person that says it's all the rich man's fault. The government can save your problems. We're here for you. It's not your fault. They did it to you because the third person who is willing to come and talk to you and give you attention, you end up becoming loyal to that person, even though that person's policies are not the best for you. What do I mean by this? We both, you and I know socialism doesn't work. You and I both know communism doesn't work. You and I both know DSA policies are horrible for America. And by the way, a lot of people know this. But even though we say this, the socialists are offering the solution. What's their solution? The government can fix your problem. You know who's not offering the solution? Republicans. I think a part of it bent to me. This is my challenge that I see a lot of people when I watch when they're trying to give their solutions is they'll say, you got to fix it yourself. You got to pick it up. You got to go do this, which by the way, all of those messages 100% right. We found a way to read books. We found a way to go to school. We found a way to get these things done. Fully right. But they still need to hear a solution from us. That is not an attractive policy. I'll put my crazy wild idea out there and let people tear it apart. Here's my idea, Ben. What if we did this? What if we said anybody under the age of 30 pays zero federal income taxes? What's so ever? Go make your money prior to 30. You're going to keep that tax revenue. I've looked at what that number is. It's roughly around 230 billion dollars. Let's give that to the people under the age of 30 to get you started. What does this do? Maybe by the time you're 30, you got $170,000 in a bank, you save. Maybe you got $240,000 in a bank. Maybe a parent like me would sit with his kids and say, listen, you got to run rate. You got eight more years till you hit 30. You're 21. You're 22. Let's go make that money and save that money. Maybe that idea gets people to go a little bit faster. And so they don't drink that as much. They don't party as hard. They take their career a little bit seriously. Maybe they end up increasing the birth rate that we have in America from 1.58 to 1.79 to 2.2. Who knows? But the reality of it is, if you remember this, you know this better than I. You've been in this business for 25 years when you and I talked, but you said you started at 17. How magical was it that day when President Trump said no more taxes on tips? You're like, what a simple idea. But wait, so I'm a liberal cashier. I'm a liberal waitress working at cheesecake factor. I hate this guy. But if he doesn't pay taxes on tips, I keep an additional $400 a month. I'll vote for Trump and I'll tell anybody about it. So to me, I think we need that kind of a defining moment on the Republican party to come out with a policy that I think could be so big that we can keep the young vote for decades. If they come out with it first, so Rubio JD Vance, somebody on the conservative side comes out and says, if you vote for me, no taxes under the age of 30, I think that to get the attention of a lot of the youth because right now, socialists are winning their eyeballs. So I mean, I think that's brilliant. I love it. I mean, obviously I'd be for no tax done, anybody ever, but that's a whole different cattle. But yes, up to 30 is great because it does create that time value and the pressure. I obviously think that that's really smart. I wonder how much you think of the sort of right wing anti-capitalism is something different. I think that there's kind of two phenomena. One is the left wing anti-capitalism, which says that capitalism itself has failed, that it's an affordability issue, that it's that you can't keep up with the Joneses, that you're suffering and all the rest of this stuff. And also adds on top of it that tomorrow, you're seeing from the sort of horse you write, say Tucker Carlson, for example, claiming that capitalism is sort of emptying of the soul of America that free markets are inherently an attack on the spirituality of human beings. What do you make of that argument? How do you combat that? Why not making sort of an material effectiveness argument nearly as much as he's making a sort of spiritual argument? Well, what he's doing though, again, this is the part that we have to be careful. So I'll give you what he's doing, my opinion, and then what the leak is and my counter argument to that. Number one, at least he's offering something to the youth and he's looking like he cares. He is no different to me than AOC. They're both sitting there saying the rich man's the fault of the rich guy. He did it and it's their fault. We got to find a way these guys don't want to give the money. They didn't do nothing yourself. It wasn't your fault. And that's a crocush. Both of them are. I'm not with either one of the minds. The one place where you lose me, I can sit there like the other day I had media sound here. We had a debate, media sound, Muslim, very different idea politically. And we went at it and he is a very strong staunch believer what he believes in. But I sit to him. I said, you know what I'm excited about you right now. He says, what's that? I said, how does it feel being a capitalist? Is I'm not a capitalist? I said, no, no, you're a capitalist. You're no longer working for a MSNBC. You started your media company. You got employees now. You're not got to pay people fairly. You don't have to look at the bottom line of how much money you're making. You're officially a capitalist. So you know what happens when a capitalist talks to a capitalist? You understand each other because you know the pain. You know what it's like to pay employees, lose employees. Somebody leaves. They poach away through you of your best guys and you know, somebody takes your customer and you're trying to go to sleep, you're raising capital. This is very difficult. The moment you go away from capitalism to me, you lose me. We're not on the same. So I'm trying to see where Tucker is going with his argument about capitalism. I think he had somebody on. He had some kind of a Christian pastor. I don't know who it was. It was a very good eloquent guiding. They talked about how in the Bible, you know, most of the ideas in the Bible are about socialism. It's not about capitalism. Capitalism is bad. We have to be very, very careful when we're going through it. And I kind of watch to see what is the end in mind? What is the motive? What are we solving for? Are we trying to say where we want to take the onus of the individual? We're getting away from free enterprise. Is that what we're getting away from? So all these years of us having great time is soul, Milton Friedman. All these years of us watching Milton Friedman's lectures that he gave and we saw the old conversations about, you know, it's the rich man's fault. We're going back to that. Like we forgot what these great minds taught us. I think it's playing with fire. But again, to me, if we go to motives, there's always five things I ask myself, Ben. I ask myself, like if I'm trying to size you up, I ask myself, what do I think is Ben's concerns? What do I think are Ben's motives? What do I think are Ben's assumptions? What do I think are Ben's fears and his asks? When I sit there and ask myself, what are Tucker's motives? I don't know what Tucker's motives are. Maybe he wants to start a political party. You and I talked about it, obviously, on the show. Does he want to run for office? Does he want to undermine somebody? Did somebody piss them off that this is his way of getting vengeance and revenge on them? Nobody knows the motives. You know, it's like I'm not going to sit there and try to read the person's mind. But if we knew the motives, we would easily be able to answer all these other questions. But we don't know the motives. So to me, it's a terrible idea. If we start bashing capitalists and we blame the big, you know, the business owner that is their fault and the government is going to solve your problem. I think you're playing with fire and I don't agree with that mindset. You know, Patrick, one of the things that I think you've talked about here really, really well and in our conversation, there have been some things that we talked about that I've been thinking about ever since. And one of the things that you talked to me about was sort of assumptions that I make about the world or the way that I address the world. And the fact that, you know, I'm not Captain Sympathy, right? I'm not the guy who's going to come along and tell you about how much I care about your feelings and how much I feel for you and how much you're having a difficult problem and all that. And so it comes and says, you know, yeah, you need to get a job and like there are certain things we can do to get out of your way, but like that's pretty much all we can do. And it's mostly in your hands and how there's a shortcoming to that political approach, obviously, when you're talking particularly to young people who are hearing from the other side, the anti-capitalist side that here we are. And while we don't have a solution, you're probably know who to blame. It's probably that unsympathetic guy over there who's telling you to get a job is probably him because he already got his, he's trying to grind you under the boot heel. Well, what I like about the proposal that you're making is sort of like, you know, interpretive taxes for people under 30 is that you are coming with a thing that that can be done as opposed to a thing that they can't be done. But I do wonder if there's a limit to it, right? At what point do you think that, you know, we're going to just have to deal with the fact that tough law that is not just law, that's actually tough? Yeah, I mean, look, the one guy that was able to do this better than anybody we've ever seen as Donald Trump, Donald Trump was a billionaire, a-lister who acted like he was on your side. So you were going through the poor, you know, hardworking farmer or somebody that's working at a regular job, making 22 bucks an hour like this guy's for me. And I think there's a lot to be learned from that. We have to be able to connect with the audience. I don't know if the Republican party is doing a good enough job with the youth of connecting with them. When we had the late Charlie Kirk that was here with us, we saw the rise of the youth because he went out there and he said, I understand your pain, I understand what you're going through, I understand maybe you don't want the war, I understand that you don't want everything to be finance and tarp and another. And the kids were like, man, finally, somebody's listening to me. I'm being hurt. Sometimes, you know, I read a book many, many years ago, it was called Think God It's Monday. It was written by a psych. This was written 40, 50, 60 years ago. It was written by a marriage counselor that after sitting down with enough husband and wives and the husbands would come and say, thank God it's Monday, I can't wait to be away from my family because it's so much of a headache over the weekend. And those marriages would end up out of divorce. He realized the husbands that were able to make their marriages work, they followed one basic guideline. And it was every day, they gave 15 minute undivided attention to their spouse and five minute undivided attention to each of their kids. So what does that mean? It's just, I want to be hurt. I don't know if we're doing enough of listening to them and instead of just lecturing them. And I don't know about you. When I was 17 years old, I don't want anybody lecturing me. When I was 22 years old, don't lecture me. Don't sit there and tell me, I already know I'm doing a bunch of things wrong. I don't want to hear another lecture. I think we can do a better job delivering the message. I do agree facts. Don't care about your feelings. Maybe we need to find a way to deliver the message in a proper way. You know, like today I had Arthur C. Brooks on. You know who Arthur C. Brooks is. I'm going to back in the day. Of course. I'm good friends with Arthur. He's great. I know you are. And by the way, he was said very complimentary things about you when we were done with the interview. I told him you were here with us last week. And you know what we talked about? We talked about being better at delivering the message in a way that people want to hear it. We talked about, you know, selling the ideas better. Sometimes, I don't, like I said, he wrote a book many, many years ago called The Road to Freedom. I think he wrote it 16 years ago. And I said to myself, he was a great person. He was in the top three guys on my list of no one how to sell capitalism. Him, soul and Milton Friedman. I don't know how many people know how to sell capitalism today, the proper way. I think we are selling it too logically. And we got to go back and sell it emotionally in a way where they say, why would I want any other system? We naturally been. We're born capitalists. We're all capitalists. We love recognition. We want to get recognition for the idea we came up with. Or I was the one that said, let's do this. And we recognize he or she came up with the idea, good for you. We want to celebrate our victories. We want to celebrate that we got a good grade. We want to celebrate the fact that, you know, yes, we won, but I was the MVP, the team, or I'm the one that scored a last shot. We want that individual recognition and the collective. And so on the Republican conservative side, I think we have, we have to get better at delivering our message and selling the dream better. We're not selling the dream better today. We are selling the dream very logically today, not emotionally. And I think we can do a better job in that. I totally agree with that. I also think, by the way, that when we sell the dream, what we've been selling is a materialist outcome of the dream, but not the dream itself. So when we talk about the American dream and you hear people say the American dream is a car and a house and a fence, that, and a white picket fence and two point two kids, and that's not actually the American dream. The American dream is that if I pursue with vigor and determination and make the right decisions in my life, particular goals that I have a shot of reaching those goals, that's the American dream because there are lots of places on earth that will give you a government guaranteed crappy apartment and a really junky car. I mean, this is what the Soviet Union did, but it doesn't actually satisfy that. That's not the American dream. That's just a materialist dream. And it's the process that actually makes the man. I think that that's always what's exciting about America is that that process should be exciting. It's what should be exciting about capitalism to young people is that you actually have all this road in front of you. A thing that you can do yourself and you know what the studies tend to show is that you're actually not that happy when people just give the thing to you. Somebody just gives a thing to you. You're not nearly as happy about it as if you actually earned the thing and you're right. I mean, that's what people do want to earn. Patrick, I also wanted to ask you, obviously we're still in the middle of this conflict with Ron. I think there are lots of open questions to be asked about how the administration has pursued its interest in Iran. What the end game is. I think all those are appropriately logical, open, normal questions that need to be asked. The one thing that I've been finding is a number of people who just have a bizarre vision of what Iran is, what the regime actually is. I wanted to ask you because obviously you were born in Tehran. You grew up in Iran. There seems to be this bizarre notion that the rulers of Iran are number one rational actors, like extremely rational actors and thus any deal that you caught with them will be predicated on some sort of decent founding and two are no threat to anybody else. Now, what do you make of the sort of pie in the sky version of Iran that seems to be building? It seems to me you can make an isolationist argument even without making this argument, but there's been a bleed over again by people on the left and also on the right to suggest what is really that bad? I think this is going to be a big topic of this discussion for 2020, 2020, 27, where those running for president, what position are you going to take? Not interventionals or intervene. To me, what you need to know is imagine a country that is gladly willing to kill its own people and they use the threat that way to make sure you say nothing. Here, they took our videos down. I don't know how many videos YouTube took down. They mentioned it the other day, million videos on COVID. They took down, think about they took down a million videos off of YouTube. We got plenty of them taken down. How many strikes we got? How many times we couldn't go live? How many times that happened? Okay. So now imagine, let's go level above that. What's above censorship? Killing you. That's what Iran does. They don't just censor you. They will kill you. So if you want to open your mouth and say something, we'll kill you and then we'll publicly celebrate the fact that we took your life gladly because you gave a different opinion. Not take your voice away from you. Not take your YouTube channel away from you. We're going to, that's exactly what IRGC does. You know, about two years ago, Ben, I brought the founder of Islamic Revolutionary Guard here and he sat down with me, Mortezah Al-Gharzi, some name like that. I had them on here. And when he came into our building yet for us, he's like, why does Patrick want to talk to me? And he was confused. So he sat down. I went right into it. He was the guy that was the opening voice to all the tapes that Ayatollah Khomeini would say he was the opening voice, Edda Find Khomeini and they would send those tapes into Iran which caused the revolution and eventually Iran fail. Shahzgan Khomeini comes into rest of his history. If you go and type in IRGC, who are the founders? It's Khomeini and this man right here that was with me. And I, yes, Sagarah. And so I had a man and I asked him a question. And I said, hey, at the beginning, when you saw this happening, didn't you know this was bad? He says at the beginning, I didn't. I, I, he says, I thought we were off to a good mission and we were going to really take it. What went on that have happened in that chain? He said, I didn't think we're going to kill that many people. I said, you guys originally said that the Shah killed some hundred thousand people and you were light about it. He says, we did. I said, okay, how many numbers was it actually? It was actually less than three thousand. But the propaganda machine was so effective that it got everybody in Iran to believe that he was a bad guy. He was for the rich. We got rid of him. Well, from 1979 till today, what's happened to the Middle East? If you go and think about what the Middle East looked like in the 70s or the 60s, how many problems do we have with Iran? You don't have any problems with Iran. Iran wasn't causing the chaos that Iran is creating today after IRGC. So the same people that sit there and say, these are not bad actors. These are not bad people. It's us that's making Iran and Islam look like they're horrible human beings. It's not us doing it. No, it's the marketing and we're scaring people. You are playing with fire. It's the same people that said communism didn't work because they had bad leadership and we can do better in America. Socialism didn't work because that bad leader, we can do better in America. If there's a couple of things, I have zero tolerance where I'm going to sit there and say, it's okay. Zero tolerance for IRGC, zero tolerance for them, zero. The only question then becomes Ben is the following and here's the question where I have biases because I live there. I know these guys. I want them gone. But the Americans who say, Pat, we have bigger problems to solve and get rid of IRGC. And that debate, Ben, you and I may defer in this. I actually think that's a fair debate for us as Americans to have because some Americans may say, do we really want to spend our resources? We're starting to see what's going on right now in the world where Ukraine, nobody thought Ukraine was going to embarrass Russia with their drones. Did we think Ukraine was going to be able to last this long? Nobody. And we realized warfare has changed and Iran with their drones, the amount of headaches they're creating, thank God this entrepreneur in America and Palmer Lucky. I don't know if you saw what he's doing. Palmer Lucky, they're creating all these drone weapons that they started recently. And I don't know what the valuation was. $100 billion drone company in America. Thank God we're doing this because warfare is going to be changing the next few years. But I think that's a fair debate. But in my position, I have the line here. If you try to cross the line to get me to think that IRGC people are good, nice people less negotiate with them. This is where I stand. Yeah, Patrick, again, I think the place where some of these phenomena come together, the anti-capitalism and also the kind of bizarrely warm feelings about Iran or say bizarrely warm feelings about Russia or China. There is a burgeoning anti-Americanism that's happening in the United States. It's become acceptable for a huge number of people in America to basically treat America as the word of the bad guy in the world. And you know, maybe that comes from ignorance. Maybe that comes from generations being taught dumb things by people in college. Maybe it comes from the fact that we don't have an existential threat on our doorstep, the way that we did during the Cold War. And so there's kind of nothing to push back against. Or maybe it's just sort of all of the above or boredom or social media. But whatever it is, it does feel as though this seems our coming apart in the United States in a particular way because of that burgeon, that sort of feeling that everything that happens on a foreign front that's bad is somehow our fault, that everything that is happening wrong in the economy is you can chalk that up to free market forces and capitalism and private entrepreneurs and Elon Musk and all the rest of this. And I wonder if you think that how long is it going to take to cure that and what are sort of the basic building blocks for curing that anti-Americanism? It's so embarrassing when we do that. I mean, we live in the greatest country in the world that was able to do something in 250 years that other countries couldn't do for 2000 years. I mean, imagine how much of a underdog you have to be to start with 56 different people in 1776 and say, here's going to be our idea. And by the way, we're going to go against a big bad bully UK and we're going to find a way to create our own country. They're trying to bully us as much as they can and they were the financial capital of the world. But we're going to take over and don't worry about China and Iran and don't worry about Persian, USSR. Don't worry about all these and all of a sudden we are the most powerful country in the world and creating incredible jobs and innovation where everybody around the world wants to come here. Nobody else calls it the American dream. There's no, you know, Russian dream. There's no Chinese dream. There's no Iranian dream. There's no British dream. There's only the American dream. There's a reason for that. And unfortunately, sometimes, you know, I just finished off with my last conference of my insurance company last week in Vegas at MGM Grand. And I sat there and I thought about a few of the guys that are super grateful. They're very wealthy now. They're living incredible lives. But there was a couple of them that weren't grateful. And it was like, wait a minute, you're now worth $15 million when I met you. You were broke about to file bankruptcy and you were driving a car that would pop every time I would open a door. Now you drive the rolls, rolls, and now you're not, you're because of what? We're very, very quick to forget how lucky we are here. A regular guy like me who came from Iran and we did it the right way. We went to Germany out of refuge. You can't wait till we got our green card. We apply for our green card in 1984. Did not get it till November 28 of 1990 when we left Germany to come here. We land here. Regular guy. We have nothing to our name. That's a 99th-sensitored cashier at Inglewood, California. And I go to the US Army and that was, I was going to do 20 years and one of my friends called me and said, you got to get out. I think you're going to make it in the private, you know, citizen. You shouldn't be in a military. So I listened to my get out and I wanted to be a bodybuilding and I wanted to business. And I became an advisor and then I built an insurance company and I sold it and we had a nice exit and now we run a media company. I didn't go to school to be a podcaster, given my opinion to experts like you. This just accidentally happened. I'm a regular guy so I am. I'm not even a guy that, you know, has the right certificates to do anything like this. But this country allows for that. We're living in the greatest country in the world, but here's the problem. There's always going to be ungrateful people who lack perspective, who go through seasons of being bitter towards the country. It is very important for those of us that are loving America, that we keep the fight, that we keep selling, that we're out there constantly talking about the beautiful part about this incredible country. And we do it in a way that converts because I think I used to ask myself, what's your outcome of this message? Do I just want to say you to be right or do I want to baptize? Do I want to convert? Do I want to get non-believers to become believers? Do I want to get people to say, you know, I never thought about it that way before. Yeah, why not me? I want to entertain this. Like, you know, if I'm a Christian pastor, what's my job to get up there? And I remember I went to a church in Dallas one time. I won't say into churches then because it was massive. It once used to be the biggest church in Dallas. So I go to the service and the pastor is a very well known pastor. And I go and I go on the Easter service because that's when you can really judge on how they manage Easter service. And I watched the Easter service and it was all about judgment. Judging, judging, judging, judging, judging, judging. And I'm like, how many of these people that came that only come to the two services per year, Christmas and Easter? How many are going to come back next Sunday? Your job is to convert them to next Sunday, not just Easter. They'll come for Easter, but you win when they come back next Sunday and then they become members and they go to the 101 classes. You didn't convert anybody. I said, no wonder this church is dying. So I think we, we as proud conservatives, whatever our background is, we need to get back to selling the dream to convert because AOC is converting. Charlie Kirk converted. He converted a lot of you. You, like I was telling you the story, whenever I come across people that talk about you, they'll say, you know, I became a conservator because of Mensha Pirol. I became a conservator. You would, you keep hearing about so many people and there's errors in sports, right? When you were in your 20s, you were the guy that Charlie was in his 20s. Now we're in our 40s. We play a different role. But I think we need to be, we need to be very good at converting our messaging. If there's a way to score our messaging is, are we just talking to the same old people? Are we reaching out to the other side and finding people to convert? We did a very good job in 20, 20, 24 converting. I think a lot of the last two years and you made a very good point when you said, well, you know, anytime Republicans is an office and you don't really have an enemy to go up again. So it's kind of like your numbers change, which is true. We read the New York Times article and I think it was political article that we read. But I think as long as we stain the conversion game, we'll be fine. If we stain the game of just talking to the same old people like the Democrats did, you know, it's going to be problematic. Socialists are going to other people. We got to continue doing that and selling the dream of America continuously. So I see a problem there, but I'm very optimistic about the future. Well, that's PVD Patrick Betts. David go check out the PVD podcast and of course all of his work over at ValuesHem and Patrick, thanks so much for the time. Anytime. Thank you. So one of the biggest questions I get is, how do I prepare my kids for college? How do I make sure they don't get brainwashed in college? And the answer is, you actually have to be educated. You have to know all the arguments. Well, the best way for your kids to know the arguments or for you if you're about to go to school to know the arguments is of course to join us here at daily wire. This is why you should enter that daily wire back to school sale. You can literally give your kids or yourself the gift of facts and knowledge before it's too late. Their progressive professors are coming for them. So I'm yourself and your family with the truth before the sale ends. I mean, while speaking of the anti Americans, again, the radical left is so in scones with anti-Americanism at this point, it really is quite astonishing. It turns out that Abdul El Sayyat, the Democratic Senate nominee for Michigan, it turns out that he just hates it. Obviously he hates America like in every way. He pulled down hundreds of videos, by the way, from YouTube in one of those videos from July, 2024, which is not long ago. He asked his YouTube viewers whether America could please find another way to celebrate the 4th of July. And he said that it was just terrible. He also argued in some of these videos that the southern border was not America was not among Americans five biggest concerns and floated replacing the second amendment with a constitutional right to healthcare. So yeah, here he was on the sorted history of manifest Estonine and slave trade in how America is terrible. August 11th. You think about all the wars that we fight abroad, all of the sorted history of oppressing other people in the name of this American idea, right? Whether it was quote manifest Estonine and destroying Native Americans or it was the transatlantic slave trade where folks who quote founded this country on the backs of Native folks that they destroyed then captured people enslaved them and had them work their fields because they thought it was their right. And all of this, a lot of these narratives you see echoed in the ethos of football. Oh my God. In the ethos of football. Colonialism, imperialism, that's America and football is bad because of it. The evils of football is one of the videos he deleted. No wonder this is the person Democrats want to run this America hating. Person who should not be here. I mean, truly, we should not have allowed his parents in what a terrible decision by us fail America. Okay, but of course it's not just out of the law. So yeah, it's also Zoran Mamzani. Zoran Mamzani who was happy to celebrate Pakistan's Independence Day. Pakistan is a radicalized Muslim country. He's happy about that. And Senator John Kennedy correctly points out that Zoran Mamzani, El Sayed, AOC, that they want to beat up America. They just don't like America very much. I mean, yes, this would be the thing. The people now in charge of the Democratic Party want to beat the crap out of America. That's something. Get rid of all the millionaires. I don't mean that literally but tax them into oblivion, open the borders, open the prisons, defon the police, defon the ice. And again, he is right about that. This is just a reality. The anti-American wing of the Democratic Party is live. But it's not just the anti-American wing of the Democratic Party. Of course, that horseshoe is live and real. Tank Weger on the Jerry Springer of online TV, Pierce Morgan. Every time I say that, he gets very, very upset, like truly, truly upset. And here is a tank Weger explaining the truth, which is that he and Hassan Piker and Tucker Carlson are basically all the same at this point. We have Tucker Carlson and we have Hassan Piker. They don't agree on a lot of things that I don't agree with Tucker Carlson's LGBTQ issues. I don't agree with Hassan on the mouth comments. But we're in the anti-war coalition. Let's stick together. Let's get Israel out of our government, defund it, and the wars get money out of politics. And then we can go back to these nonsense fights that don't matter. Again, what he wants actually is the third world in American politics. So yeah, the anti-American wing is very live. It is very real and it is very, very problematic. Okay, this takes us to the latest with regards to the war in Iran. Again, nobody kind of knows what the hell is happening over there. The president is tweeting all sorts of different ideas. The president suggests that Iran should pay war damages, which of course is true since they are demanding war damages from us. He's saying, no, the other way around. He says, it's an interesting idea because now I am likewise demanding compensation from Iran for all of the people they've killed and gravely wounded with their roadside bombs in many conflicts for which they are famous as led initially by General Soleimani, including the families of those killed on the US are school and thousands of others killed in combat. Additionally, compensation should be paid to the families of the hundreds of thousands of innocent protesters around his killed over the last 50 years. Not to mention the 52,000 that have been killed in the last five months. I've instructed my representatives to put this firmly into any and all future negotiations. Thank you for your attention to this matter. So one reporter asked the president what exactly are the next steps. The president said, you'll find out. Well, I assume that at some point here we will. You said this last round of talks was Iran's last chance before decapitation. So what now? What comes next? You'll find out. Are you still, are there a massive escalation? Is that still on the table? Well, we have that certainly in that ability. If we want to do that, yeah, you'll find it. So, um, you know, we will find out. I hope the president says that we are currently in control of the straight 100%. Yeah, obviously Iran is still exerting tremendous control over the straight. They are attempting to hit shipping inside the straight of our Moosers president. The only one that has control of the straight of our Moosers right now is the United States Navy. We have a blockade that's been infallible. It's a steel wall and we let people in that we want to let in and those people come in. They've been coming in and they're going out. So it's actually open now. We do not let them go into Iran. They're not admitted into the straight to go to Iran. But it's open for others. Now, a little bit complex because they will on occasion drop a mine and we find the mines. You know, we've minesweb the entire straight as you probably maybe heard, maybe it didn't hear, but, but we control the straight 100%. Again, we will find out what comes next, but something you should come next year because, you know, tapping them on indefinitely, unless it, unless we believe it's going to hurt their economy badly enough for them to crumble. You know, at some point there's going to have to come to some sort of conclusion. Right. The other big story of the day coming out of the Middle East is reporters are very, very angry because they found out that the administration claims the president Trump departed Turkey on July 8th on the Old Air Force One. You remember this. You're supposed to go on the guitar, Air Force One. And then instead, he went on the Old Air Force One. Why? Well, because there's a pretty live Iranian threat. So in Ankara, Trump boarded the Old Air Force One jumbo jet in view of television cameras. And then he was actually shut to an even smaller plane in Air Force C32A, the airport catering truck, typically used to load meals and other supplies at pre-flight. So that made that Air Force One a decoy with media and some White House staff aboard. So apparently the reporters are mad. The Jake Tapper says the US Secret Service thought the threat against the president was strong enough to surreptitiously remove him from Air Force One and then proceeded to let the plane full of White House staffers and reporters take off and fly back to the US. Well, it turns out that that's actually Secret Service's job is to protect the president. That's like their chief job. That is their chief job. So then Jake Tapper applied obviously the life of the president is fair amount and previous White House has used exceptions to protect the president's life. But no officials I've spoken to have ever before heard of using an Air Force One full of White House staff and journalists as a decoy during an imminent threat. Well, again, the focus was not on keeping them there as a decoy. The focus was on moving the president to a safer airplane without letting the enemy know that. That would be the big thing right there. Manhattan Institute's Jesse Arms on CNN pointing all this out. - Let's not forget that the bad guys are the terrorists trying to kill the president and this equation. Yes, which we would benefit from actually calling that out. - Yes, I think that we probably would. And here is some of the tape from July 8th in Ankara. - This was the shot that took place last month. Trump boarded the old Air Force One jumbo jet leaving the NATO summit in Turkey. The Washington Post reporting because of an Iranian threat the president was shuttled away in an airport catering truck. Those are typically used to move meals and other supplies on board pre-flight. Fox has not been able to independently confirm that the president was actually on a catering truck. But according to the post, the president was then taken to a different smaller plane and Air Force C32A. - So again, did the Secret Service do anything again? Is there jobs to keep the president safe? That is their job right there. And all the complaints, yeah, man, man. All righty. Well, yesterday we talked in length about Anthony Fauci and the various kind of fibs and lies that he told during his tenure. Well now the Attorney General of Florida is going after him and he joins us online right now. James, thanks so much for the time. - Glad to be here. Thank you. - So obviously a lot of focus on Anthony Fauci and him taking the fifth before the federal government, a lot of controversy over whether he can actually do that in front of the federal government considering he received a federal pardon from Joe Biden. But a federal pardon is not for you of state charges. What are the kinds of things you're considering as Florida AG with regard to Anthony Fauci? - Door, what we delivered a subpoena to Anthony Fauci last week, really seeking anything and everything. We have a lot of unanswered questions. Obviously there's been revelations over the last couple of weeks that he privately questioned the safety and efficacy of the so-called medical treatment that he was pushing on the American people. Central to our subpoena is looking at possible self-dealing, personal gain. Government officials rightly have a lot of immunities when they're doing their job, but there's evidence to suggest that Dr. Fauci was privately interested in book deals. In Fortune, Fame, Awards with monetary prizes, that goes outside of the realm of a typical government official work and salary. And that's could be evidence that his deception, which heard a lot of people resulted in personal gain. So we're looking at anything civil criminal, anything under Florida law, we are gonna investigate and seek accountability. - To turn general, what did you make of Fauci taking the fifth? Obviously his claim when he took the fifth was that he was basically trying to immunize himself from the possibility of prosecution at the state level. By the fact that the state of Florida is now looking into him, does that justify his claims at all? - Well, I think you said it right that the pardon itself has questionable legal authority. Who knows what president Biden actually knew was taking place? And if there is an auto pen without proper agency, there could be issues. But we were certainly alarmed by his lack of candor before Congress, his inability to answer questions. All of that occurred simultaneously with new evidence that he did doubt the very mRNA jabs that he was pushing. So the federal pardon will not give him immunity from state issues. We've got a lot of evidence to go through and collect. It's too early to talk about legal theories or violations of Florida law. But his fifth amendment claims certainly got our attention. What does he have to hide? We now see more and more coming out that shows that there was dishonesty. He lied to the American people. People suffered across this country, including here in Florida. And if there is liability, his federal pardon will not apply. - Now, you mentioned that it could take a while to go through all the materials that you guys are subpoenaing and everything else. What do you think is sort of a broad timeline for people to expect some sort of investigative results here? - Again, it's hard to speculate. We've got thousands and thousands of text messages, voice mails, emails that we need to go through. We need to be thorough. We need to make sure that we're crossing our teeth, dotting our eyes that we're properly building the evidence for a court of law if it gets to that point. So we're probably talking months, not days. But I've got my best attorneys on it, all hands on deck. We understand how important it is to the American people to get answers and seek accountability. So we will make it a top priority for our office. - Now, putting aside obviously the legal questions, which are gonna come to light as you go through the investigation of the materials, just on a sort of generic political level. You've seen a lot of revelations from his emails, from his diaries, from his texts, so much of that in the public view. So of what has been put into the public view so far, what do you think Americans you've most troubled about? - Well, we've only gone through a handful of texts at this point and we've already seen evidence that he personally doubted whether or not these vaccines should be administered to pregnant women. There was evidence and concern that it could lead to miscarriages. But that concern was never made public. Women were not put on notice. There are risks for possible complications with your pregnancies. And we've seen data to suggest that miscarriages went up during this time frame. So there's a lot of women out there that are rightfully very, very upset. Nothing is gonna make them whole or perhaps bring back the baby they lost. But I think what we see is continued evidence of dishonesty. So there was clearly something wrong that happened here, whether it rises to the evidentiary level of a crime or civil liability is a question that still has to be answered, but we are going to be diligent. We will use every tool we have. We will most certainly do everything we can to seek accountability for Americans and Floridians, especially. Now are you aware Attorney General of any other similar prosecutorial efforts that are taking place in other states? Because obviously he was a national politician with national scope and affect to his decision making. Yes, I've talked to several other attorneys general. I know there's at least two or three that are already conducting their own inquiries. We will work together with anybody that wants to prosecute this case with us. I know Dr. Fauci was, he was subpoenaed and questioned in other states and other legal matters going back years and now new evidence could show possible contradictions or impact those prior proceedings. I've only been on the job here about a year and a half. So we're still coming up to the speed with everything that other states did on this topic. But most certainly this was a country wide deception. Perhaps the greatest deception against the United States of America that we have ever seen. So we're going to work with any other state official, especially our great attorneys general to get to the bottom of it. That's Attorney General James with my other state of Florida. Attorney General, thanks so much for the time to really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Alrighty folks, you think the show is over wrong. We are joined by Lyndon Blake momentarily and she's going to convince me that we should spend thousands of dollars. If you're a parent, spend thousands of dollars, your daughter can get into a Southern sorority at a school. If you're not a member, now would be the time for you to join up. Become a member, use coach Shapiro, check out for two months free on all annual plans. 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