EP 21: Earth's Divine Design… or distortion w/ Lorie Ladd

Jesus coming to save us, like he literally came to save us from the demonic and dark energies that have been ravishing this planet for 7000 years. And he wants to help. He's like, "Yo, I'm right here. I swear to God, I can help you guys." And everyone's like, "No, I can help myself." It sounds silly until it's actually real, just like demons sound ridiculous until you almost go to the ER. For me, I was being choked and strangled by them every single night for many, many months. And I told my husband multiple times I was going to kill myself. And I had no reason to want to kill myself. And I reached out to the only healer I trusted. And I said, "I think something's wrong with me." If you just look at the seven deadly sins, those truly are what runs this planet right now. Meaning that if you look at pride, or gluttony, or sloth, or jealousy, like these things are. We are tempted into where are we turning outside of us that fills us up instead of allowing God's light to fill us up. My guest today is Lori Ladd, international, best-selling author, Ascension Guide, and one of the most trusted voices, teaching humanity how to navigate this planetary shift in consciousness. Her work has reached millions because she reminds people of one core truth. We are living inside of a divine design, a multi-dimensional architecture created by Earth to evolve human consciousness. Lori teaches that nothing here is random, our challenges, awakenings, and initiations are all encoded into this larger design. And through her current work, channeling Jesus, she's exploring how the God particle is activated within us as the next phase of evolution. See, now my perspective aligns and diverges because if this isn't a divine design, where do evil and distortion fit? If everything is intentional, then what do we call the forces that hijack, confuse, or mislead human consciousness? So today, we're asking the question that sits at the center of awakening. Is our evolution unfolding exactly as designed, or is the design being interfered with? Let's get into it. Holy Pickles! Welcome, Lori Ladd to the Spiritual Debate Podcast. Holy Pickles is right! I love your intro. Like, you are an awesome writer, like Bravo. That is incredible. I sit with every single person who comes to the podcast and I'm the one that finds all of the angles for the debate. So for context, because you know literally nothing about me, I was a professional performer for 20 years. So from seven years old, I was on stage in plays, in singing competitions, in modeling competitions. I lived in New York City. I had agents. I was thinking I was going to Broadway. I worked for Disney Cruise Ship. That's why my face looks like a Disney Princess. And then I had my spiritual awakening. Wow. Holy cow. Well, you're an amazing writer. Were you a good writer? Like, you're fantastic. I love writing. Actually, when I started my awakening, God really guided me to write a lot of poetry. So I was on the cruise ship when I had my awakening and I wrote a book called In the Eye of the Atlantic. And then there were little poetry pieces where I was sharing my healing around heartbreak and sharing my perspective on this world. But everyone on the cruise ship pretty much everyone that's a crew member there is running away from something. So I ended up having like a whole coaching business on the cruise ship while I was having my awakening. And during this time, I had my first connection with the spirit guide. I was spending all my money on Wi-Fi learning as much as I possibly could, downloading guided meditations. And I basically developed all of my clear abilities doing guided meditations in a small cabin on a cruise ship. Wow. Holy cow. And then I got off the cruise ship the day the world shut down. March 14, 2020 was the day I got off the cruise ship. And like at that time, all they were doing was like little temperature checks, like we weren't watching the mainstream news. I knew nothing about the mainstream narrative, but I kept having this deep intuition that this was when my business was going to start. This is when the real work would start. And when I got off the ship and I thought, I feel like I'm living in a world that nobody else is living in right now. And I don't know why I feel so different than everybody else does right now. I found you. Oh, wow. I found you in the early days of 2020 in a time where I was trying to figure out why I didn't feel the same sort of fear that everybody else in the collective was feeling. It felt like if I was around peg, the world was like the square like hole and I couldn't fit into the perspective of the collective and I found your work. Wow. Yeah, I love what a great story because you were unbeknownst to you kind of preparing yourself for what was to come for you without realizing. Yeah, but you know, it was so cool about it. It was the fact that I didn't realize that I was preparing because I actually found that I got more infiltration because I was aware that I was going through the shifts that I was going through versus. You know, when I was living on the ship, I was just meditating because it felt good and I didn't have all the information about what was actually happening inside of me. Whether that was like very clairvoyant connection or my grandfather who came forward so easily and said, I'm your grandfather, I'm your spirit guide, I've been with you a whole life. But then when I got off the ship and I had convenience and immediacy, you know, and just this healing consumeristic culture that we're in right now in new age spirituality, I think that that actually became the trap. It was so much easier when I was just me and God on a cruise ship with really no idea what was going on, but it just felt right and right and right and right. I was writing that whole time. Wow. Yeah, there is something to be said about not knowing what you're doing or why you're doing it. Kind of like being brand new in something and there is there is a there is a real and powerful gift in that because I remember in 2020. The first couple years before 2020 when I was really starting my work, I was just sharing because I wanted to share and I was just being me because I just wanted to be me and I was teaching because I just wanted to teach and I didn't have the pressure of other people's eyes on me or opinions in the way that we have it now on social media. It was like there was this child that was stepping out and it just felt so good because you didn't really know what you were stepping out into. You didn't really know what you were doing and there's something to be said about the energy of the world now. That is very disruptive to that kind of precious innocence almost that you are you felt then and that I felt back then. It doesn't feel like that anymore online unfortunately it's it feels like 10 times more effort to be as authentic as someone can be because it's so hard to find that real raw transparent authentic expression that child like wonder that we had when we first started building something because. I don't know it's just there's only so much you can be hated for basically every single thing it's like and no matter what you're taking out of context it's it's. It's hard to keep staying soft in what feels like the world's heart is getting harder and harder and harder, particularly online like whoa the courage it takes to stay soft in a hardened world right now feels infinitely more challenging and online you're subject to. Billions of strangers that just seem to know everything about you are assumed that they know everything about you and yeah it's made it harder so much so much harder to. Bring in the multi-dimensional expressions personally of who I am because I still love to sing. And I still love to write and I still yeah this podcast was that that reckoning with the part of me that loved to speak and create and connect with no notes just be me and be this beautiful expression of creativity and charisma and the spiritual debate was like that attempt to kind of bring back that. I think that gift that God gave me as a little girl that is what I believe is keeping that purity in my essence and ever single thing I do when I show up online even though now all I do is talk about evil pretty much. What I feel like what what we're speaking on right now it truly is the spiritual battle because I feel like what what like we're talking about it from from one lens but I really believe it's the spiritual battle which is really pulling us from who we are and it's infiltration that we don't even see we don't even recognize we're just fed and and I think all of us if we were really humble we would say. One of the hardest challenges is to try to figure out who I am outside of what the world is telling me now because can you even silence enough of the noise to even sit with yourself and say who am I what am I what do I like where is that child like essence how do I create that creative. For me that wants to just do this and this and that it is it is like we are being literally in a pressure cooker of like every voice except our own every thought except our own every everything is and that's not the humans. Not each individual teacher or persons out there parent whatever it's not them it's the infiltration in them that's infiltrating us you know what I mean like it's not personal it's energetic. But it's for you to be able to be where you are right now and and continue to unravel your who am I moment like you're it's a continuous but to be able to at least find a place a nook right now where you feel like you're more you than ever. And to be able to keep that sovereignty in the midst of everything else around us is the spiritual battle it's the real game. And when I met you in 2020 I felt a different level of motivator meaning I felt like I was a lion who was like first time in the wild it was like whoa oh my god I can run. Go it is a lie there is like this different driver in the beginning because it was the first time for me that I had ever experienced so much clap back for something that I felt was so visceral in my body it was like how do we not see that there is a giant elephant in this room and I know that there were quite a few of us who were all on that same page and there was like this whole there is a whole different type of warfare there. To me it didn't feel as sophisticated now in 2025 this sophistication that I am personally experiencing that I am supporting clients with through energy healing work it is so nuanced whether it be through different healers. You know someone goes to see a healer that healer is infiltrated that healer ends up cursing or placing a hex or placing black magic or they have an entity and then the entity bleeds through to the client that is very common right now. Whether it be that there people are incarnating into blood lines and in the blood line all of this energy is trying to be integrated in healed. And it's so much deeper than just generational trauma it is dealing with unbreeding and removing at a cellular level it's just it's a completely different experience and I'm really excited to dive into this with you today because when I found you in 2020. I mean neither of us were having the same conversations that we're having now for context I found you love that you were channeling the Arcturians love that you are channeling different ETs. I basically in 2022 at a bunch of entity attachments look to the spiritual community felt very gaslit because no one was saying there are dangers in this spiritual world. You know in order to get to 5d we have to understand and master this realm like I just felt alone so I basically got rid of everybody and then I found you again a little over a year ago and you were starting to talk about. Duality the enemy evil God and I just thought oh my God I've just met a soul family so I want to know a little bit of one where was that shift for you in that in that walk in your evolution that second awakening or that that new wave of evolution tell me where that started for you. I love that you experienced such a similar and I believe me millions will start experiencing this from the spiritual community I believe it because it's the evolution. And may this awaken people may our conversation awaken people um you know that's my prayer is so I I channeled I started channeling you know I was a channel I didn't know the channeler until I started channeling and then I became a channeler and I'm excellent at channeling I can I was born to channel probably because I needed to channel the book the divine design is a channeled book right so I channeled a book and and I say that because I'm like I don't channel. Like I don't channel anymore I don't connect like that anymore I don't go up to the UFO ships I'll channel once a month on my in my community but I'm very very very particular Jesus was right there. But anyway my path was I started to I started inviting Jesus into my life in in in Sep June of 2023 because I was just like you know what I really just want to like I don't want to die not trying to be as close to like how you lived on this planet like I want to really kind of master your your way not religiously not like. Like I didn't want Christ consciousness I was literally just like really honestly kind of like I think you're probably like the greatest master on the planet in terms of human and God together I would love to like learn from you right and because I could channel I could hear I could I could energetically see and so he started coming into my life and I did not. Think my life would be where it is right now not a clue I don't even know if I would have invited him into my bathroom that morning but like I start I started hanging with him and slowly I took about a year but my life kind of started changing like I started kind of just seen things a little differently. I started seeing the I don't even know like what I started noticing first but just kind of like I became more human I guess that's the best way to put it like I started realizing like all of these things that I've been in in this the spiritual community they didn't matter as much and he wasn't Jesus wasn't. He wasn't talking to me about that stuff he was talking to me about very human stuff like be kinder don't lie be honest with your words being more compassionate be more serving service to other and I was like. What about like you know the galactic east off or what about like you know the 5d things and things like that you know activating the bodies and you it just didn't matter to him it was not it wasn't anything that he was concerning for me to pay attention to and so I I just started. My focus went from the external world to Jesus more more more more more more and I was like what is this meaning am I religious all of a sudden like am I really like I literally was like I like a crisis I'm like what does this am I supposed to go to church like am I reading the Bible like what is this like I was so confused because I knew for me personally. This was a huge piece of my awakening my next level of wake like Jesus was a huge piece but I was very concerned because. What does this mean I'm not religious I there's so much of the religion that I'm not a fan of like to. But I knew that if he was coming in as strong as he was coming in it has to be a part of the evolution because I'm only on the planet I only came on this planet to teach about the evolution in human consciousness I was very clear as a soul I was like no bullshit i'm coming into teach about the evolution as that's it right and so I knew with him coming in. I'm like this has to play a part has to play a part and so after two little over two years in august I committed to write this book with him and that's when I started understanding the god particle and I understood his role in activating the god particle and along the way I started separating myself more and more from. I started understanding the danger of playing in the energetic rounds and the higher rounds I understood the danger of opening ourselves like you said right just to the just having energy I mean I just had a massage done on me and I had and I had to clean my I had to clear out my body it wasn't the woman she was amazing I can't have anyone do anything at all. Of any sort with energy in me around me I just can't because it's it's so it's so tricky right now it's so tricky what we're dealing with it's it's tricky energetically and it's tricky in our minds. You know yeah yep yep yep I know I know a lot of what you're speaking to the thing that is immediately popping out at me is having a unique walk with Jesus and it not being an affiliation with a religion and really feeling quite similar in that feeling you know I'm a queer woman my husband is transgender. My husband is transgender my partner is the thing that brought me the closest to God I do still channel a ninth dimensional Syrian that actually visited me in 2023 interesting what is up with these beings visiting us in our rooms okay Lori why were you why did you call on Jesus in the bathroom because mine I was laying naked in bed meditating at the end of the night and this being comes in and says my name is today I need you to help us with the great merge. Never heard anything about the great merge. Basically what they were saying is that we are representation of the 12 constellations the four elements and the one source and we're here to help harmonize. Not to not to end one world and go into another but to actually support the evolution or the next iteration of more harmonious ways of living on earth and so I've been channeling this et for a little over three years now actually we're about to be probably when our episode airs I will be in Australia performing global light work for the world. Yeah and but that entire initiation is in my experience some of the most dangerous work I can do. Because I have to deal with the lands energy I have to deal with the spirits of the lands energy I have to make sure that I am in reverence to the land and actually building reciprocity with the land and then you bring in all these other light workers actually I only bring on light workers that are called to it and like really at most like six to eight people which is so blessed I can't imagine. I would never in integrity be able to have more than the energies that I'm aware of to do something like global light work like when I see people do like these massive massive pilgrimages and everybody is doing energy work I'm like whoa. I think that's super dangerous we don't know what other people are dealing with like we don't want to like add their infiltration into the pot and so anyways I have a deep reverence for like beings coming naturally and like cultivating natural relationships with them and how they are directly supporting human evolution how they're directly supporting the work that we're here to do as souls and honestly nothing more. That really speaks volumes to me because I feel like in the in the spiritual community there's so many things. Glory and I think that maybe in their original intention they were pure but now I feel like they're mostly all fluff because without a sovereign connection with God a intimate individual unique relationship with God and I do see more of us welcoming in Jesus into our lives but individual and unique in pure undistorted ways I think that's so important I think a lot of the other. A kosher records and and rakey and you know tantric priestess path like I just see them kind of getting to like the what's the point. Like is this even important for me to know that information curious what your thoughts are on that. Yeah I love that I love that your octarian friend came in the in the bed I was in a bathtub naked and then I realized like I'm I'm I'm talking to and by the way this happens all the time to like the other day I was. I mean Jesus is with me every day so I'm in the bathtub and I'm like wait this is really awkward like are you can you see my boobs right now like. But then I was like this is weird like obviously you can see my boobs but like you're obviously not really look at the whole thing was very bizarre like was weird. What did Jesus say I need to know when Jesus talked what did Jesus say I don't think he I don't remember him actually responding to that many times he won't respond he's just silent like. I think he just said I'm here like I'm right here like I don't think it was like a I don't think he entertained it in any way like. There's like I'm not looking at your. But what were you saying because I that was that was that I don't know what I got on that tangent what were you talking about in the community how we feel like at some point we're going to be moving out of. Oh girl 100 billion percent like okay so I've been in this this thought this thought for a while a couple years now really struggling I'm not going to lie like really trying to figure out like where. Where do I fit in all of this because I couldn't find my I couldn't find where I felt most authentic like what I really wanted to teach and talk about like what was it is it quantum is it galactic is it human is it where what is it right and. I knew that like where I was the path of like the galactic kind of quantum stuff as much as I love quantum I can talk quantum for hours I just love talking about the quantum energies. It felt like it was pointless talking about like energy updates it felt pointless to me talking about what's going to come with solar flare it felt pointless and I was like what am I supposed to talk about then like what. What and I was talking about mindfulness and things like that and what I what I started realizing when I was hanging out with Jesus is this past year specifically is the integration of God into us and understanding the infiltration the massive infiltration of disconnection between our physical body and our soul and God the light of God the creation the creator source whatever you want to call it where we came from where we go back to. There has been a massive distortion and disconnection energetically between our energetic cord from our physical bodies to God and to me personally that's the only thing that I want to to look at to deal with to work on to talk to and to get people back into and everyone. In everything else is beautiful and fabulous for where people are at but eventually you're 100% correct eventually people are going to realize they're only just looping the same illusion it's just the same illusion you're not getting anywhere and eventually my hope is that people realize they're not getting anywhere but continuing to uncover the same whole that they. They're just digging themselves out of the same hole they keep bearing themselves in you know and I think for me personally what I've noticed in my life as challenging as it can be is that as I start bringing the light of God back into my body the real tangible light of God back into my body I get massive amounts of infiltration and attacks on me but that I don't care about my whole life is changing. There's more ease and peace and grace and calm and and purity freedom and it's been life changing and I've been in the community spiritual community most of my life and nothing. Nothing has even come close to just simply saying oh I've literally just been disconnected from the light the pure divine light of God this nourishing light of God what happens when I start bringing it in reconnecting to it and then from there doing the work right so like visualizing you like okay you're connected you're aligned you're like in a pure connection to God and then you go and do your work right as opposed to not having that visceral real conscious aligned connection to God first and then say okay I'll go do my work now because I'm held in the light the purity of God first. So nothing can distract infiltrate and I think this in my opinion is the next level of our evolution and is going to be life changing for so many people when they realize what this what this simple free experience can do for us. 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Letting God's love into our lives fully in our lives how it changes our lives you know five years ago I would tell you that the things that make me happy would be pulling tarot cards and learning about what's going on in the astrology and channeling messages energy updates for the world about why. COVID was created and now honestly the things that make me happy are so fucking simple like the things that actually rate raise my vibration is honestly just accepting more of this human experience like it is just being more lucid to the experience of life and the things in my life that truly fill my cup use I'm quite simple you know you give me good food. Good cup of coffee and a nice mug because I am a mug collector now like fun mug is not just like any kind of fun mugs that can instantly lock me into just this. Life is meant to be lived in love with love in peace in gratitude all the time and that was not something that I could invite into my heart. Not even honestly in at the end of 2024 into now you know a year later when people receive this it'll be before almost 2026. Life is simpler but the distortion to your point feels more complex and so I want to talk about this because you've spoken to Jesus about evil or distortion and first thing outside of the Bible's perception which I have you read the Bible because I know you said you're not really religious something that Jesus made you do. He didn't make me yet read the old testament thank God because I really don't want to read the old testament I don't I've gone I can't do the old testament. It's very triggering to me I don't like that there is this I don't know how I feel about the old testament it seems very judgmental it feels very heavy it feels very masculine it feels very dark. So I'm not a big fan of it but I have read the gospels and I love the gospels and I think there is something very profound and beautiful about the gospels and he does ask me to read the gospels which I do and and so I've kind of snuggled into the gospels for now. And what are his opinions on well there's a lot of rhetoric about Satan the devil evil in the Bible what are his experiences and understandings of evil on planet earth at this time. The way it's very complex but it's very simple the way he sees it is through energy but it's pleasure so imagine so it's the infiltration of energies playing out in humans. But it's about temptation and pleasure in any capacity that is actually destroying humanity and pulling humanity from God. Now that's one path we could go down the other path is what actually caused the disconnection right so that's a whole other story that has to do with hybrid beans that came in 7000 years ago. That has to do with the bloodline of the families that run this planet so that is a different story right that story if we went down would be about how they have been able to and continue to disconnect or keep us kind of unable to remember how to come back up and go to God right. So that's so keep that in mind and then but then he's he likes to talk about the nitty gritty basics of human experience right like when you wake up in the morning what do you do when you're when you're like it's the basic life experiences and so what he focuses on is pleasure what do what are what pleasure and ease so think about the seven deadly sense. Okay, if you just look at the seven deadly sense those truly are what runs this planet right now meaning that if you look at pride or gluttony or sloth or jealousy like these things are we are tempted into experiences or behaviors that feel good. In the beginning it makes us feel good you know like the phone makes us feel good social media makes us feel good there's certain they they're there there are food makes us feel good where are where are we turning outside of us. That fills us up okay instead of allowing God's light to fill us up is that the God particle that you speak of. Yeah, so the God particle is designed to get activated within us and it's designed to get activated through God's light. And it's designed to get activated through God's light outside of us coming in so almost like a water fountain or like almost like plugging in a lamp into a socket yeah okay so when you plug the lamp into the socket there's an electrical current that that runs through and turns the light on. It's like that except that the particle it takes it takes quote unquote kind of time for that particle within us to begin to turn on and and actually like stay on right what one of the roles that Jesus is I mean he plays any role that you want with him but he can. What he's really good at doing for us right now is one allowing us to feel the presence of God just by sitting with him some people have a hard time kind of feeling into God or what is God or so if you sit with Jesus that you can kind of feel the presence of God a little bit more but what he'll do if you really want to work with him is he'll show you where where you're trapped where you're where there's a stronghold on you. Like where the enemy quote unquote enemy has you and the enemy is simply just the external world that has convinced you that these are the things that are important and he can take them from us and it's not and here's the part where the spiritual community gets very upset with me and I don't care any longer but you know there's two things that I say that really have pissed off the spiritual community. And these are the two things yes God's inside of you but God's not inside of you to the point where you're going to do it on your own it's not happening. People that say I am God and I'm going to do this are in the illusion and in the egoic playground you know so that's the first thing that really pisses off a lot of spiritual people. And the second thing is God forbid you should hand over your problems your issues your addictions to God and let God heal them don't do that that is disempowering and and to me. Those two programs that we've been digesting in the spiritual community are the most detrimental program programs to keep us disconnected from God and to understand the power of God because God will and is designed to heal the things that we cannot heal because we they have a stronghold on us. And if it's not one thing it will be another and what is wrong with handing over and saying God heal this from me and God comes in and heals it and that's disempowering. Yep right like it is I am like come again like yeah but don't worry like they'll get a reading to learn that they you know we're a witch and multiple lives and that empowers some part of them but they don't want to acknowledge that's disempowering the part of them that could find that through their own relationship with God if that was like the right time and space. Right I think there's something about like people believing wanting to believe that they are gods that they can control the outcomes in their reality which never actually happens anyway because God there's actually a saying in the Bible like you may roll the dice but God decides how it lays it's true. I think anybody at this point of their evolution should they be paying attention realizes that they don't actually have control really over everything anything anything. I actually find I'm curious what your thoughts are on this that the we are all one conversation is a funny one because if we're all one then nothing is not one and then if nothing is not one then I don't need to be discerning about anything that is all one and I find that that's actually a pretty significant program that. While I understand the sentiment of I haven't actually seen anybody who's actually embodying what that could actually mean from an embodied place I think it's like a projection to create more passivity and also to. Allow us to be duped yeah yeah I find that that's a very fascinating program inside the spiritual community would make sense that some of the enemies ways of infiltrating us are in the communities of which we don't believe that infiltration exists. Or the demons don't exist I didn't believe demons existed until I had a demonic attack that took me to the ER I had to call 911 so I never believed in demons me either yeah. I was like there's no such thing as demons you're just creating that me too they're all in your mind they're all in your mind they're all an illusion yeah and now I'm like oh dude. Demons are real and like legit no joke like and then and then to realize not only am I like yeah demons are really real there's going to be afraid of but then to realize that the only thing that gets rid of demons is the name Jesus or God that that listen listen you guys if you're watching me if you know me I am not this was not my path this was not my choice. Right like but then to be humbled by the fact that like oh by the way young lady if you say any other name other than Jesus the demons are still there but watch what happened when you say the word Jesus and I was like okay in the name of Jesus I rebuked these demons freaking gone I was like no no no no no no no no let me try it again come on back like I couldn't believe I couldn't believe this I was like I literally for a year I was like how in the heck am I going to start talking. And I'm going to start talking and teaching this like especially if it's not religious like especially if it's grounded in a individual relationship that you have with Jesus while you are having a full blown in the bath late night date nights with Jesus Christ okay I can see how you might be like. Once upon a time there was my titties hanging out in the bathtub and Jesus showed up but I am not false like I promise this is not a demon okay and Jesus talks like I can see how in your brain you might be like I don't I don't know if maybe there's a right angle to this but okay here's a question I do have because I had an amazing guy. So true it is it's like it sounds silly until it's actually real just like demons sound ridiculous until you almost go to the yard for me I was being choked and strangled by them every single night for many many months. And I told my husband multiple times I was going to kill myself and I had no reason to want to kill myself and I reached out to the only healer I trusted and I said I think something's wrong with me and she was like. Yeah something's wrong with you but at the same time I had an Acachic records reading from this woman who told me because these were these were entities who had followed me and tracked me through multiple lives that was the truth that I had found out to be true from this healer that I believe with a hundred percent accuracy was truth. I also got an Acachic records reading from a woman who told me I created this entity on my own a sentient entity to show me why I hated myself. Oh that's horrible and I could use a Ruby crystal and channel through the Ruby and call for the entity and talk to it about why I hate myself. Oh that's horrible and I remember hearing that information and for the first time in my life I think I felt my discernment because it felt so wrong in my body and I had no reference of that because nobody taught me discernment in the spiritual community and I didn't think it was important because we were all one anyway peace and love and light. And so when that when that information came through my body felt like it was projectile vomiting something that disagreed with me I knew in that moment that there was like a whole new iteration to this spiritual path that I needed to be mindful of because I got two readers one that felt like absolute truth that has a walk with Jesus that has a walk with God that is a fifth generation psychic that lives privately it took me literally five years to know her birthday like that's how private like nothing can be read into her field. Nothing can be attuned everything is blocked she can do this work because of how dangerous it is versus somebody who randomly channeled the acoustic records and told me to call in an entity that I created because I hate myself like just unbelievable distortion that I experienced because of two different readers simultaneously happening. God that is so dangerous and that happens so much and I think you know one question people will probably ask right now is their listening to this is like well how do I know right like and my I'll get I'll do my answer then you do your answer like my answer would be if this person doesn't directly direct you back to God. I would say don't do it like I think that at this point in the game where we're on this planet if anybody tells you to do anything other than just go like if they're not working with God call and even then we don't know right but let's just give them the benefit of the doubt if there is not a direct line of connection with God and they're not directing you back to God but they're telling you that there's something wrong with you and there's a distortion with you and you need to heal you. I would run as fast as you can put your little sneakers on and run the other way because truly for me people should be directing you straight back to your divine inherent connection to God first and then any other solutions they have thank you. I echo that I do and I feel like there's a symptom in the body that we feel when our discernment light goes off the only challenge in this is in the spiritual community we are told not to judge but we misunderstand that discernment is the ability to judge well which is different than projection because of envy or lack or self hatred or whatever it's not a projection where I'm looking at that a kosher reader for example and being like wow you're a bad reader it's not that it's this part of my body that instantly goes huh that doesn't feel right actually I'll give you a perfect example. There's this other woman that wants to come on the spiritual debate podcast I don't know if I'm going to have her yet Laurie. She also talks to Jesus and I just have this feeling that I don't feel like she's talking to Jesus. Jesus to me is not somebody that I would take pride in channeling meaning it would be such an intimate deep natural connection. It's like the most famous man of all time like it would require a different level of intentionality for me and I can feel in my body. You know this woman's been doing this work for many many many many years but there's this light in her that doesn't feel like it's a hundred percent truth. But there's also beauty in the work she's been doing it for 50 years she's been working with Mary Magdalene. She's been going to all of these healers she is you know 65 years old like you know she's 30 years older than me. So of course like I'm like well maybe I'm just misreading things it's the in the body though that repels me but then I'm also compelled. It's both and I feel compelled which is that ease and pleasure you're speaking of I'm tempted but there's that equal. I don't know what it is but something round peg square hole round peg square hole. That's what I feel in this person's energy and that's what I felt with that reader too. God that's brilliant the way you spoke about that because what you just said. If we just pause on what you just said that is so profoundly important to understand is that tiny little nuance within you. That is like you know that little that little you can feel it in your body your body's rubbing against something that just is like oh it's a little bit rough. There's a rough energy I'm rubbing against no reason for it no no proof of like that I can hold. And yet the curiosity and I think that's part of also just like you personally I think that's also part of your role is kind of to bring that curiosity into the light like let's play with this for a second but also knowing that you have to have that discernment. Of what's safe quote unquote kind of energetically safe and what's going to try to come in and infiltrate so really walking that fine line because wouldn't it be beautiful to be able to show your community like what that friction could be like. And also knowing that a lot of a lot of people don't have that clarity yet so it could be slightly dangerous what I will say about Jesus me personally I've never been the type of training that Jesus has put me in in order for me to bring him through and write the book. He's been taken from me everything including apparently my Instagram account now but you have to be able to be at such a degree of surrender and obedience in my opinion when you connect and work with Jesus and most people aren't and so the purity of what comes through. Is is is is watered down based on that right and I'm not saying that people aren't because I'm sure they are but to really break this is what Jesus said to me he's like you and I cannot do this work together and you cannot write this book unless you are as clean and as pure as I bring you to so like there's fasting all the time there's sitting in my house alone for hours sitting with him in silence with him I don't there's no drinking there's no hanging out my friends there's no. There's no I mean everything so there is a level of commitment for me in order to be able to do this that he requires that's on a level I've never and he will not work with me unless I do it he won't he loves me he's going to stand there he's going to he's going to support me but he won't. Continue to give me information unless I am pure so that's just been my experience with Jesus and I think that because his information and his messages have been so distorted over the thousands of years yeah I think he takes it really seriously to bring his information through well yeah because my assumption is that a lot of people believe that they're channeling Jesus. And I think it would be inaccurate of me to feel like all of those are true because I think like I said I feel like Jesus is is the most. Assended master I believe that anybody would want to connect with or that would be some sort of maybe like like badge of honor and that's why I was saying like there has to be like no pride involved in it because it's it's such a it's such a deeper responsibility to be able to bring that crystal information to the world but with that Kate pause I want to go back to this conversation because I've been doing entity removals for quite a long time with my clients for my clients. And demons implants for me tease dark spirits that have been attached to lineages you name it I've probably done it. Some clients I cannot use Jesus in my work I can always I believe that the work I am doing is of God everything I do I do it for God every single everything I pray is for the highest greatest good for God's natural order. I want to restore natural order in people's lives meaning they naturally grow in connection with God they naturally can experience a deeper sovereign connection with God. It's not two steps forward one step back and then I'm infiltrated and I don't know what to do and now I'm lost and I'm confused it's natural growth one step one step one step. But I find that sometimes it's actually my husband uses an example of like an opera singer I need to get the the if an opera singer singing with a glass and she she sings at a certain frequency it shatters the glass. I need an equal frequency to be able to shatter the entity from the clients field and if they don't have a connection with God yet and they don't have a deeper connection with Jesus. I find that I can't use the revoking of Jesus because if you're if you're the opera singer you've got the connection with Jesus then it can shatter it whereas I find with some of my other clients it's like if I try to bring in it's like rejects the energy rejects from the field. And I'm curious what your thoughts are on that because in other clients where they have a walk with Jesus they have a walk with God I can work with I revoke using the name of Jesus Christ I revoke this entity out across all time and space if they don't. I am working with my team of spirit and a high voltage of unconditional love and it's like it feels like a battle Lori because I can't it's not the same as like calling in Jesus and the clients like allowing it in no no it's like we're just holding the person with just an unbelievable amount of unconditional reverence and love for their journey and then slowly it's like the entity pulls out. So you ask yourself who am I what's my purpose what are my gifts and years later you're still asking yourself the same questions q the sovereign healer the only psychic development and energy healing sovereign development school that'll help you understand your unique abilities without leaving your meditation cushion. Let's get it well well yeah I have a lot to say about that and you're prophetic at what you're doing because I don't think you even realize what you're doing. So like you're actually when you have demonic energies not entities when you have demonic energies in you. They will not most of the time they will fight Jesus and they will get very, very aggressive they will not leave. And so what you're doing which is why I was so profoundly in awe of what you're doing a sit for a second because what you're doing is you're you're actually gently removing the demons in a different way so they're not fighting Jesus so it's actually quite profound because you found a way to be able to take them out I don't know how you're doing it but you're you you're finding a way to take them out. Without the fight yeah yeah and I do it in bursts and I find that that's the most effective way so I'll go in and when I go in I'll go in for like 10 15 minutes at most full strength full light and the guides will come in and based on where it's connected whatever entry point will basically swaddle it in light and contain it and send as much of their natural god light. Back to them that they can they can contain yeah and then based on how much we can start to remove will basically set it close it down and then go back in and see how much strength did we get through like a day of integration how much of their own light did they feel did we get a push back from the demon did we get no okay interesting like that client went through a really tough experience okay now that's time we go in let's go in with a little bit more strength until we get strength God's strength over the demon and then we can remove it. Wow that's brilliant I mean what you're doing is going to be necessary in the coming to 10 to 15 20 years on this planet what you're talking about and what you're doing is one of the most important tools. Because most people that are going to need what you're talking about are not going to go to God or Jesus that's not exactly they're not exactly and so. They don't they and if you bring God in Jesus and they're going to get angry in some capacity a lot of them will and so what you're I think this is really important for you to like really understand that what you're talking about right now what you're doing is. Is extremely because one of the things that Jesus has been showing me is the amount of demonic energies that we have in us that we don't even realize we have and the challenge in getting them out and so when you walk around and you are experiencing people that are angry aggressive dark evil it's not them. This is the spiritual battle so what you're doing is you're being able to help people that don't believe necessarily in God and Jesus or don't want to or don't want those words around them perhaps you're able to start to take those entities and more importantly demonic energies because that's really what is running people's lives. You're able to take those out in a really beautiful because you're working straight with God and so very very important it's and watch in the coming 10 15 years I mean people are going to start to understand what we're talking about more and more because they're going to realize that nothing in their life is getting better not because they're not trying or there's something wrong with them. It's because they're dealing with demonic energies that they don't even understand or running their entire lives from the age of like three years old or in past lives right that have that are literally in the lining of their intestines kind of right like it's like parasitic and they're running around in loops especially in the spiritual community doing all of these things and nothing's helping right and eventually they're going to have to stop and say what's really happening here. The demonic energies have been attached to you because you had some sort of abuse when you were a child that what didn't even have to be a massive abuse but something infiltrated into your system and buried its way in and that's the power of Jesus Jesus came you know people talk about Jesus coming to save us like he literally came to save us from the demonic and dark energies that have been ravishing this planet for 7000 years and he wants to help he's like yo I'm right here I swear to God I can help you guys. And everyone's like no I can help myself no it's about that it's like oh my god let's let's get in there let's let's get in there let's get this stuff out you know what we have to I feel and that this kind of loops into our topic here. Are these demonic energies a part of human evolution right now are they not part of human evolution and what we're trying to do is get back onto the track of what human evolution is meant to be and the they are the necessary darkness that needs to be cleared like what. Yeah I love that question I love how you brought that in I thought that was brilliant because no I mean right now is it a part of the evolution 100% it is it is it is a part of our evolution that we have to now navigate okay was it naturally designed no thank you no. No it was not naturally designed so that we learn something about ourselves so that we can like you know that whole spiritual thing of like turn the dark to light and all that nonsense like no 7000 years ago okay there was a grid a 5th dimensional grid that opened in order to let higher dimensional beings come onto the planet to assist humanity humanity was at what it's at a much they were at a very advanced state of being they were learning how to be kind of god like and so there was this opening that happened on the planet where these higher dimensional beings were able to more easily access the human in order to help them that's when all of these civilizations came about right and that's when the experiments were made everything you see thousands of years ago that were like this was here 10,000 years ago that all happened around this time frame but at the same time these hybrid races also came back down onto the planet and these are this is when the spiritual battle really began this is when humanity's mind started being taken over this is when the energetic cord began to get kind of dismantled or or fuzz it started to like they started doing this kind of thing where it would kind of dissolve our awareness that it was there and so there's there's been this feeling of like I need to find home I need to find that connection where is God who is God what is God and so that's why they tempt they tempt us oh here over here oh here over here oh here over here and so we're we're we're searching outward to fill what is naturally designed to be filled only by that light of God right that connection and so the demonic energies are these kind of infiltrated energies that move into our bodies based on hard to describe it but it stems from I go back to like the pleasure the pleasure place right where it's like if you think about somebody that abused you all right they were then they were abused before they abused you and then that person abused them so what what was that abuse behavior what what stimmed it what perculated it or what created it right what desire were they trying to satiate right and so you start it was a satiation of maybe some sort of control right and so you think about the the the need to be in control the desire and of control the pleasure of control and then with that distorted desire of pleasure or of control like needing to be in control comes in and it's distorted so it's not from the direct alignment of God then it creates distorted behaviors and then those behaviors are moved into other people and that distortion of energy of pleasure of needing to be in control a disconnection from God that's what creates the darker energies of those demonic flees almost and here's the piece these kind of hybrid beings that came in and now are the families that control this planet but you know the lineage the bloodlines that have been passed down they create they are they try they have perfected but back in the day they they needed to get humans to be tempted by these desires or pleasures to create these behaviors right so it was pulling humanity from that connection they were starting to have through simple pleasures of like well don't you like it this over here like watch how you can you can all of a sudden like create an orphan rush if you do this or if you do they're not telling us that right but like 7,000 years ago they were doing this and so you started playing in these distorted energies and it created distortion it created the opposite of God in a way and then it they it festers and it builds in the body and it and and these these energies that we call demonic energies start to infiltrate your mind and they they nestle into your body and they create addictive behaviors all the things that were seen on the planet right now literally have been given to us like like almost injected into us in a way that we've consumed and accepted as normal sort of or oh it's addiction I have to heal it it's never like oh this is a demonic energy that's been inside my intestines for 25 years based on this and it simply needs to be cleaned clear heal it's not me you know what I mean well because I think we're in a realm right now at least in the spiritual community where everything is a mere don't you know right so everything is a mere so everything is a mere then like it's just all my reflection right it's just all my own hull of mirrors right and so then there's nothing demonic because even that is a mere right right and that's where I think the challenge comes in is that there is too much over emphasizing on everything in this realm that we're in right now being a mere and it's not though sometimes there are external it's like we don't want to hear oh no nothing is external because we want to feel like we have the I think we want to have the accountability or the responsibility of our own lives but I feel like the only that we actually have is to have a direct connection with God and God will show us in prayer the truth after the truth after the truth after the truth like we need to get back into like natural organic template energy instead of this like synthetic AI in organic feels like a reincarnation loop that earth has just been caught in so you're right are we going to a new earth where there is no more distortion Lori like what does Jesus see what do you see what do you feel well you want to know Jesus yeah what did Jesus say oh no I'm nervous it was it's adorable he says Lori you know because we're writing a book about the evolution into the spiritual battle and his role and he said you think I'm he's like how how long do you think I'm going to be on the planet doing this kind of work and I was like I don't know like how long are you needed he's like I'm going to be here for thousands of years he's like I don't think he's like people don't understand he's like sure I incarnated 2000 years ago but I knew in my incarnation that I would be my imprint would be here for thousands upon thousands of years like this this evolution and human consciousness is much bigger than we understand and much more complex than we understand and the ability to kind of wrap our heads around this and get humble enough to say you know what then I'm going to enjoy this life and I'm going to be of service and be kind be compassionate be humble instead of when are we going to get there when are we going to be in 5D I'm going to evolve myself into some state of blah blah it's like if Jesus said he's going to be here for thousands of more years I'm pretty sure our shit knows nothing like you know nothing like stop the presses now like but some people are already in their 12D light body though right they've already transcended this matrix they've escaped it already right they're already living in you know the alternate reality alternate universes that we are only so lucky to be able to you know hopefully one day access yeah no no no no you know what I love so much about Jesus is how real and humble it he is because he's so human it's so basic it's like how are you when you wake up in the morning how are you when you go about your day how are you when you go to bed at night meaning like how are you being with with yourself how are you being with humanity are you aware of what grabs you every day how often are you connected to god all day long how often are you talking to god whatever god is to you but I can guarantee you he says it's not not you it's not you it is not you every ounce of the you that you think you are is not God it's not and the more we think that we are God the more we are not God when you start to when you start a relationship with God you realize that the you you thought you were that was God was not even close to actual God and then you start to really humble yourself by that awareness that's why he speaks about the Holy Spirit you know I really had to start rapidly my head around like what the freak is the Holy Spirit like what is all this stuff like you know and I had to wrap my head around the evolution and human consciousness with all of it right the the evolution that we're in and how what is this and then he said and I'm also experiencing these things too right like I'm having real physical visceral experiences of it I'm having miracles happen I'm having addictions being taken from me like this isn't just me learning like I'm having I believe this because it's happening to me right yeah so he's talking about the Holy Spirit descending back down into the human body because this is what activates the God particle this is what's been infiltrated is that light is that that holy spirit that holy light call it whatever you want holy God holy source holy creator but it's it's us kind of reconnecting and just having that light to send back down because it's been in this infiltration but nobody wants to say oh yeah that's true in the spiritual community everybody wants to say no I already am God and that's why Jesus unfortunately he's so there's such a conditioning around the religious piece to it so there's a we push away what his actual teachings were but the Holy Spirit truly is the light of God descending back down into our bodies to take shape to take form to activate the God particle and to awaken us out of the illusion which is all of the distortions of who we think we are and pleasures that the world tells us will fulfill us and only God's light will fulfill us in that right so you know it's a work in progress I think it happens in our everyday life it happens in the cancellations of plans it happens in your child you know not listening to you it happens in the bill that you get that you can't pay it it happens in the divorce you're going through it doesn't happen in these high frequency evolved states that's not where it happens evolution doesn't happen there it doesn't happen in the state positive change your thoughts change your emotions it happens in the grounded every day human experience where you are consciously choosing to invite God into your life to change your entire life you can't do it and you'll never be able to do it and then you watch how God starts to come in and starts to take over and change your life and then you realize everything you thought was true is not true yeah and that your will is only continuing to create more challenge and suffering then God's will which will always give you exactly what you need to evolve and that's a real hard thing if actually Xavier Dagba said it best on the podcast when he said you know do you have a secure attachment style with evil that's a big important thing but then also even more than that do you have a secure attachment style with God and with your own light I think in the coming years it's going to be really important that we actually know how to be able to stabilize that holy spirit in us how to be able to let it grow and let it be good and let it be grounded and let it be right and let it be safe you know because I think distortion has become the ultimate safe guard in what we see you know where people are so afraid to let go because they're addicted to the suffering they're addicted to the story they're addicted to the environment even if that entire environment actually the Bible says you know that no amount of like rotten tree will produce good fruit and I think that the state of this world is unfortunately just infiltrated with a rotten tree but I believe that we're creating and can create through God the fertile soil and I love what you shared that perspective that reframe about Jesus being here for many more thousands of years to come it just puts in a perspective that it wasn't 14 days to flatten the curve that it's not going to be you know another you know year or two and in some ways that changes the way that we navigate today because there's not this it's now we're never wise and it happening are we there yet in that impatience right that that that need in the human condition to make the suffering go away as fast as possible there's a there's an alleviation in my body and hopefully for anyone who's listening to think that we're part of something so much bigger and our imprint can be so much more lasting than just and then tomorrow we entered this new earth and everybody's chakras are crystalline and there's no more evil karma on planet earth like I have never felt it to be so simple but I find that as the years go on it just seems to get more sophisticated the infiltration and more inverted being really mindful of who seems like one thing but they're not or what it seems like because it sounds like it could be well maybe this I think prayer in the years to come is going to become so important so important an actual real devout like devotional practice with prayer sitting with God sitting with Jesus sitting with your teams of spirit sitting with the right group of support systems in your life and and really strict pruning pruning the things and just getting really simplified in your energy field so you can actually feel the connection because it's been so much of this you know more this will help me and I just think it's going to get sharper and crisper and cleaner and straighter but it's going to feel for a lot of people I think really alarming when that next awakening hits where the demonic happens where they realize that it has had a grasp on them and it's not them and that's okay like there has to be more resource more education that's why I'm really trying to speak more about different entities and energies and beings and demons and groups and how they're not all on the positive side of evolution and maybe in from one perspective we could say well if it's supporting a resistance and it is yeah but you cannot connect with the God particle in you if you have demonic in you like it's not possible so that truth can also be true I feel where it's like it's both hand does the resistance support how we connect with God after all of that is cleared yes but does that need to be cleared to access also true so yeah I could probably spend seven years talking with you Laurie like I could just sit here and then have a telepathic conversation with you in my bath after this and say what did Jesus tell me did Jesus have any messages for me like I just I think you are a brilliant human I think you are a brilliant spirit I feel we probably did kung fu and other lives together like just some sort of crazy shit like for sure like I feel like we have similar senses of humor I feel like we have similar like playful like I just feel like we'd have a great time and I I think you're brilliant and I appreciate everything that you are doing in this world for this world with Jesus with yourself like you're saying yes to this and clearly there's been an element of I don't want to say sacrifice that sounds like that sounds dense but I hope you know what I mean like you have made conscious choice to bring the clearest information forward for the world to cultivate a relationship with Jesus to help human evolution and I see you and I want to say thank you for your service thank you thank you thank you feel so good to sit with someone that just sees it that feels it that gets it you know you just know there's no you're not trying to work through the energy you know you're not trying to you know that feeling where you're like trying to figure out what's going on yeah it's just clear so I appreciate that so so much I've loved talking with you it's been so much freaking fun I literally could sit for hours and just keep going I know that's a good feeling though that's a really good feeling it gives me hope yeah me too it gives me hope because I don't I don't know what you feel but I don't feel like there's enough of us yet it's unfortunate that the people that I've spoken to on the podcast have had hospitalizations because of psychic attack and infiltration yeah one person amazing Olivia Devy was asked to sell her soul for two million dollars and she said no one that she was hospitalized yeah yeah and she works with the Arcturians and the Arcturians were like you're going to die for a second but then you're going to come back to life just trust okay I've taught she right now amazing amazing but she said I was hospitalized in Hawaii for many weeks and I I was 100% dying because she said no and I guess this guy had this big list of channelers that have sold their soul and like public figures that maybe we would know today just that have chosen to sell their soul to the demonic and she was like first two million dollars isn't isn't a lot of money I was like that's badass and then she was like also no I would never sell my mission ever I would never sell my mission and and then being able to communicate with you another amazing Steve Nobel who had a very deep dark night of the soul with different demonic beings and laughing with him about how like you know he says like V I've done a lot of shadow work okay this was not that there are a lot more people that I have ever felt and I'm thankful that God is bringing them to me because I spent many years feeling really alone and talking about this or feeling like I was less evolved or feeling like I had done wrong on my spiritual journey because this was happening to me because something was flawed in me and being able to chat with you here today it's again it brings a lot of emotion to me because I feel like it's God showing me that I'm on the right track of evolution you know that I'm doing God's work and that feels good it feels good it feels good to be here with you and to just feel another light worker in the field who's like pure blood first pure blood and to like thank you for for making it through what you did and still choosing God because I see more of us to come but I just don't think it's going to be an easy ride for us to get there and so yeah I agree I agree and it's not all love and light and it takes a lot of courage to stand in that knowingness and in that clarity and speak it and hold firm and hold tight to God while you do it because the infiltration they don't want the recognition they don't want to be seen so how dare you talk about it you know yeah it's very real it's very very real and we need to talk about it more and it is what will set humanity free I believe that I agree and I think the biggest takeaway here I hope for anybody who's listening is that we've had a dense we've talked about dense things but there has been nothing but the frequency of love in this conversation that we can talk about the demonic we can talk about evil we can talk about we can talk about what is not of God but there cannot be fear in it simultaneously and you know I work with a lot of people who are in the process of trying to rediscover who God is in their life and rediscover who Jesus is and then also rediscover what evil is and I say to them in some ways it's okay that you feel fear don't try to override it acknowledge that you feel fear because it's okay that it's there in acknowledging that it's there it's going to teach you how to be in deeper integrity it's going to teach you how to lean on God in Jesus even more it's going to teach you how to cultivate a deeper connection bring that fear let it be transmuted with more God and then you'll realize that it's like that's how you transmute it is with the love it's okay that you feel fear just don't don't try to transcend it acknowledge it it's okay we're going to be okay and it's okay if you feel fear right now even hearing this conversation but hopefully you can take away the fact that this conversation didn't have a lick of it and we talked about things that may be people in the spiritual community would define as something else yeah because if you the the infiltration is that if you have fear then that's wrong right and get hide that push that away only bring in the lighter only bring in it's a it's a it's a it's a infiltration program so to be able to what God requires what Jesus requires is like you you standing your humaneness and you hand it over you become humble you get on your knees right so it's like oh my God I'm afraid God help me I'm afraid instead of oh no no I'm gonna that's not good that's negative that's your feeding the system you're creating that by thinking about it like all of those really infiltrated distorted programs only perpetuate it the truth is is that when you are inviting God's light into your body when you're inviting God back into your life in a very pure organic external way coming in you become very humble to your human experience and you become very raw in that ability of knowing that you can't do this on your own and it's okay to have the fear the fear makes sense who wants to talk about demons you know it's very scary and who wants to talk about the battle that we're in but when we do it with God in us around us lighting us up shining it's like cheering us on hell yeah talk about the demons all freaking day long because I've got the light of God the armor of God all over me bring it and that's where we want to get to that's what we want to understand instead of running from it it's not okay it's negative you're creating this you're inner you're reflecting that back because your vibration is low like that's an infiltration that is going to stop you from being with God that is sorry but it is it's an infiltration you know so bravo for what you're doing keep doing it you are you my friend are you know you're a warrior of God's light and it's not easy and you know only you know really what it's taken for you to be able to get there nobody understands so you know just bravo bravo to you for for staying committed to that and to knowing that there's a part of you that that knows that this is the way you know that thank you for that medicine and I actually feel like that little bit that you just shared there was like that feels like the energy clicked in terms of completion like that felt really good like somebody needed to hear that in the field like all of your humanness is welcome the whole point of what I feel like you were offering us here in your relationship with Jesus yes ascended master but like feet on the ground yes descended master but in the human experience like yes ascended master but teaching us how to walk as the as the kindest most compassionate most pure version of human we possibly can like that's what I think hopefully someone could feel was an invitation that it's okay that you feel all of those things been there but it's been God it's been Jesus and our own individual unique journey with God and Jesus that has allowed us to be able to say like Lori said best like hell yeah bring it on because I've got the light of God within me so Lori lad thank you for being on the spiritual debate broadcasting for your time your energy your heart your trust your trust I know that there's a lot of commitment that's required for you to be in your channel right now and I just want to say thank you for trusting me thank you for trusting God for being here today and as always we leave our question now with the listeners you know is earth's divine design actually divine or has it been distorted all right everybody we'll see you again very soon