Ep.206 Grab Life By The Balls (Kenny Kane of Testicular Cancer Foundation and Firmspace)

Where are you be going? Texas? Damn son, where'd you find this? Go on, make it happen. And now here's Steve and Michelle. Welcome to Mallet and Michelle. I'm Michelle newly double-nickled, which means I'm officially entitled the right to complain about the weather and my ailments. And as always, my co-host Steve Mallet, a man who claims he loves the winter, but also owns zero proper jackets. It's true. We were out in the parking lot. I was like, I'm freezing my ass off. I should have jacket on. You're all walking around and sweaters and shawls. I have a car heart jacket that I love, but I must have bought it when I was fat because it's huge. I mean, I can't even wear it. I'm going to just now apologize again to our live if our internet is going in and out. And you may not be able to hear us, but yeah, it just is a sand is going in and out. Pause due to poor connection. I'm so sorry. We need to figure out what's going on. It's the internet here in dripping springs. I think is what it's going on. Well, thank you all for joining the show today. We have a special announcement. First of all, let me tell you about our guest. Oh my gosh. Kane, who is a great guy. CEO of the Testicular Cancer Foundation. He's, I think, CTO of firm space, firm space, which does shared workspace downtown. He also helped co-found a stupid cancer. Yeah, yeah. Super. Oh, I just love this guy. Super nice guy met him in New Orleans a long time ago. You'll hear the story about that, I'm sure. Hopefully he'll tell the same story that I've been telling for years. Yeah. Well, a month or so ago, we announced that deep Eddie gave us this limited edition, espresso martini kit that we've, we've been holding onto and offered to give it away to somebody that followed us on Instagram or left us a review on Apple podcast. And many, many people did that. We thank you all for doing that. And we picked a winner on our Apple, our Apple, our Instagram live. Trump, please. 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A Michigan veterinarian will serve 10 days in jail for refusing to return a dog to a homeless man. After finding the ailing dog tied to the bumper of a truck. So this Amanda Hergenredder. She's a vet at someplace in Michigan. She was convicted of misdemeanor larceny and will serve 10 days in jail and pay a thousand dollars restitution for picking this dog up off the street. And the dog was ailing. It had a kidney infection or a UTI and had a rotten tooth that needed to come out. And so this dog's tied to this truck. She's there in Grand Rapids for a conference and saw the 16 year old dog tied to the truck. And she took him to her clinic two hours away and treated him for those those painful. Where was this at? Grand Rapids, Michigan. And so they arrested the vet. They arrested her and charged her with misdemeanor larceny. She's since apologized to the court saying it was mistaken. She didn't say it. I wouldn't apologize. I doubled out. That was kind of my question for you. Remember, I remember, you know, 20, 25 years ago, if you had like animals in your backyard tied up and they weren't taken well care of and they were in need of veterinary help, they they would be taken away from you. This guy that own this dog is it's so funny because you can tell the bias. It was a person that was that was temporarily unhoused. So a homeless person didn't sound it doesn't sound like he had enough money to properly care for this animal. So she in my mind saved this animal. Yeah, she did the right thing. Yeah. And so they charged her with this. She's going to spend 10 days in jail. This veterinarian trying to do the right thing for saving this guy's dog. The dog since has passed away because it was an old dog. Yeah. But you know, just I think that's that's an injustice. I don't like that because it discourages other people from trying to help out. That was what I was going to say. That's right. So you get people that stand on the sidelines and do nothing when something should be done. Yeah. I say kudos to her, her, her gun redder. I think kudos to you. Yeah. I think you know you paid a heavy price for it. I think, uh, I think, you know, you stepped up. I think so too. Are you handing this to me because our life is not working? I'm showing that to you because it's distracting to me and I will keep watching it. People are waving. People are waving, but now you can be distracted also. Oh, I see. I see what you're doing. I see what you're doing. Well, anyway, so that's the story I had out of Grand Rapids. But if you see animals, Grand Rapids, you suck. Yeah. If you see animals that are in need, maybe don't take it into your, into your own hands. But do please do something about it. I love dogs. I really do. I know you do. I love them when they're little ankle biters, literally biting you and your ankles. Those little pain in the butts. I tell you. So this was Thanksgiving morning. Right? I'm having 25 people come over. It's about 8.39 o'clock in the morning. I have my robe on and my daughter's dog over there, which is a big dumb idiot. She's a Labrador. She's harmless, but she's just a big dumb idiot. She gets in the middle of my dogs and she rows them up. And one of my dogs hates her because she goes by, she's like, I should growls at her. And so they start getting in a tussle. Next thing I know, all four dogs are going at it. I grabbed my mulchies, I handed her to Sierra, said, here, holder. She's holding my grandbaby about pushed the big dog, Millie, into the pool. And my two are going at it. And I'm wearing a robe. I'm just not thinking. I get right in the middle of them. And one of them leaned back and bit me on the ankle and it was awful. So then I don't know if I told you this story. It hit right at my Achilles heel and it hurt so bad. And I came inside and my, my ankles just bleeding and Todd said, sit down. And I think my adrenaline was so, so high that it just dumped and I, I fainted. I fainted. I didn't realize. I didn't know that. Todd's like, we need to take you to the, to the urgent care. I said, I have a turkey. I have all the stuff. I got stuffing. I'm working on. I'm trying to do all this. Potatoes. Yeah. So, uh, so yeah, that's, that's how I started my Thanksgiving. But, uh, yes, I was a little dazed and confused. Then two days later, you put on your 55th, I surprise birthday party, which you planned, which I think is. I didn't put it on. I wasn't originally putting it on my friends and my husband were putting it on and then I'm a control freak. So I took it over. Let's go say surprise. Surprise. Surprise. That's why I'm like, my voice is like, like this right now. Um, yeah, I got a little sick and I was outside. But, uh, you know, I thought, okay, so is my 55th birthday. Someone said, oh, you're now a senior citizen. I was like, ooh, it never occurred to me that I was a senior citizen that kind of drove me crazy. I always heard double nickel when I was growing up too, which was kind of interesting. But I thought it would be kind of fun. Just some of the things that I've learned in my 55 years on this great earth. One for me, family is everything. Right. Like, family is just everything. Um, I love my family. I'm very close to my family. Um, you know, it, it was really worn my heart Thanksgiving. That's why I did the, that's when we did the party so close as so that all the kids could be there at the same time. And it's really cool to see, you know, there are certain instances where all the three kids, not even their spouses, they would just kind of go over and they, they were at the Thanksgiving kind of when the party was wrapping up, they have, that's what they did. They look like three kids just hanging out and they're just reverting back to their, like, you know, 10, 11, 12 years old. Actually, Tate and Logan were involved in some heavy conversation. And I went over to say goodbye to him and I said, guys, hey, and they didn't pay the, they'll figure it out when I'm gone. Yeah, they're by. Um, you're speaking of saying no is a life skill. And that is something that I need to work on and I have struggled my entire life. I say yes. A lot. Yeah. Um, another thing is friendships have, or, or ever evolving seasons. Oh, yeah. Sometimes that you're in the spring, sometimes you're in the winter, but, um, if you want to grow together, I have friends that I've had for years and years and years, 30, 40 years and I love, they're more, they're family, I call them family. And, uh, and, but you know, sometimes people just don't fit the, the season of life that you're in. Well, and you both spend different times and seasons and sometimes the friendship, you know, it wanes for a little while and then sometimes it's resurrected later on when things get better. I was telling Kendall that too, she's struggling right now and I said, it, it happens. Honey, you're in, you know, mid 20s. It happens. Also, peace speech drama. Wow. Like, that sounds so common, sensible, but you're just reading a list of stuff that I've been telling you for. I've been listening, Steve. I've been listening. How about not sweating the small stuff? I used to do that a lot when my kids were little. Yeah. When the kids were little, I would just get irritated about little stuff. It's kind of funny the stuff that you thought was so important that you look back, you go, waste of time. Yeah. Also, I'm going to start showing up for people that show up for me, you know, and that's okay. It's not selfish. Are you holding it against me that I didn't come to your birthday party? Yeah, I did. I put it. I put a bunch of, I put your birthday present. We did. No, I'm not holding it against you, Steve. I, I know, I know who you are because I love you anyways. Life gets better when you stop living it for other people's opinions. Oh, that's good. Yeah. So that's, that, that was, that's kind of a young, young woman's game, too. Yeah. I think when you get a little older, you just kind of have this, yeah, I'm not going to worry about that. I don't care if they don't like me or not. This is me. I'm who I am. It's kind of always how I've been. I'm kind of like, like all of my birthday cards somehow had the word sass in it. I don't know why. Yeah. And yes, a grandbaby can change your world for the better that little girl. She rocks my world. I adore her. I love her. She's beautiful. The biggest thing that I have learned is that I am blessed. I am not lucky. I have worked hard for what I have and for my family. And we're not perfect. We don't claim to be perfect. But I look out sometimes into the world and think I am very blessed in that my children are blessed and that, you know, I'm happy. Have a great marriage and, um, and you worked for it. And I work for it. Put the time and effort into it. It's hard work. I like said, I haven't always been perfect and I've made mistakes along the way, but that's just some of the things that I've learned in my 55 years. And also I get a discount at Ross on Tuesdays now. Yeah. We need to get a pig pen, senior citizen discount over there. Yeah. Oftentimes we go over there. I've been eating gym, senior citizen plates for like 10 years now, so now everybody gets what I've been doing. Also, I've been buying movie tickets and senior citizens. Oh, yeah. By proxy, I have. I think, uh, I don't think I'm qualified yet, either, but I do that. Yeah. All those good things. I got some bad news for you. What's that? Steve? I don't like bad news. Pete. Well, I think you'll get over it. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton is investigating and you know, I know I'm going to hack it up. Sheen. Sheen? Shine. I call it Sheen, but people call it shine. Sheen or something. I don't know. Sheen for unethical labor practices and the sale of unsafe consumer products. Didn't you have something at your house that we were putting food in and we were all talking about we were going to die from some weird deadly disease, those little tinfoil plates. Did they come from Sheen or Amazon? I don't remember what it was from the investigations looking into whether the retailer's supply team and manufacturing violate state laws about the use of toxic and hazardous materials and misleading consumers about product safety in food for food items across the board. Like a lot of their stuff is used, uh, is processed and manufactured with chemicals that are not allowed in the United States. That's what that's what they're investigating. I'm not saying they are definitely do that. You know what Kendall told me to order a lead test because of all of her old toys that I'm pulling out for Navy. We need to test them for lead mom. Well, yeah. There, well, lead hasn't been used. I don't know. You survived. You'll be fine. Go look at, go look a, uh, uh, a windshield. Yeah. Yeah. The, uh, he's also investigating their data collection and privacy practices. I guess they're not really good about protecting your data. But, uh, and packed and pointed to the maha movement as the, you know, reason like if we're going to be really making sure people are healthy, part of what we should be doing is making sure that we're not, they're not ordering stuff and bringing it into their house. They have toxic chemicals and then paint and, you know, lead, I guess that makes sense. Yeah. I think lead is one of the things that they were saying is in some of the, uh, some of the, the products that are being shipped. I don't buy things that, um, I, I buy kind of disposable stuff, right? If that does that make sense? Yeah. Not things that, that I'm going to cook or eat in. Yeah, but, yeah, if you're, but like, uh, disposable, like toilet paper or something. No, I'm not buying toilet paper for some sort of shit. Yeah. I'm like, I'm like, you're a toilet paper machine. Okay. Good to know. No, just stuff like party supplies, like a tablecloth or something like that. Not like, you have way more than a normal person. Yeah. Didn't you say that I have way more Chachki stuff in the area? Yeah. There was like a one foot by one foot area that had on a table in the house. It's called table-scaping speed. It had more Chachki stuff on it than I have in my entire house. I told you, I love table-scaping for holidays. How did you do? I don't know. I have the internet. But it was cute. Wasn't it? It was really cute. It was super cute. I loved it. I love seeing it. I had all the little animals. Yeah. I definitely don't want to have any of that stuff. I love the machine. I got that from homey lobby. Oh, well, it goes. Well, it might have come from China. Probably, probably. And apparently France has a consumer fraud agency that has found childlike sex dolls on Sheen and illegal weapons for sale. So France is actually looking at shutting the platform down to spending them from doing business. Yeah, that's awful. Yeah, so. I haven't been on that portion of Sheen. Well, I know. I'm not sure any of that stuff is showing up in the US. But there's apparently a lot of weird stuff on there. Does any of that make you want to not order anything? You know what's weird is that the platform has changed. So like you, I used to think you're ordering it from this big conglomerate called Sheen. But then like, there's other sellers that are kind of like Amazon, like you're not ordering it for Amazon. Is it more like eBay? It's getting. It is getting weirder. It's the website has gotten harder, clunkier, a little bit more expensive. So like if I find like tablecloths, for instance, I was looking for tablecloths. I will go cross look at Amazon and then I was also going to like dollar general. But like all that shit is from the same spot. Wow. If I'm going to dollar general, it's if I'm getting one for a dollar 25, I'm getting the same thing for 50 cents on Sheen. I know it doesn't make it right, but I ordered a Holly and I were getting rucking bags and I and I didn't really want to spend a lot because I wasn't going to use it for all the time and I ordered a rucking bag from Sheen, it was like 27 dollars or something. I pulled it out of the bag, I put it on and the strap fell off. Luckily, I was able to get my money back, but I mean, I think they sell, you know, it's crap. But you're right. If you need a tablecloth for one event, you don't want to spend more on a buck or two. No, no, and I'm not I'm not like buying furniture, although people, I think it's from Timu or Alibaba, I think is the other side, like, you know, a lot of the, that swag that you get from what do you call it, like convention centers and stuff like that, all of that is coming from the same people like Alibaba and they can put their names on it, but they're selling cars. So people are getting these cars in, yes, in these containers and then they just have to put them together. I'll have to show you a video of it. It's actually pretty funny. But speaking of the internet, we were going to cross something that has been kind of a hot topic here in dripping springs and the fact that we actually had somebody on. Steve Wanges. Steve Wanges. Steve Wanges. I don't remember what episode. That was 50 or something. Yeah. So the FITSU concert venue, which we thought for sure, that thing was going to get built. There was nothing that was going on. I was telling people that thing's going to get built, whether you like it or not, that developer out of California could care less what you think about them. Well, in a surprising turn of events, after a three year battle, opponents of the proposed 5,000 seed outdoor concert venue in your crumbly ranch road and FITSU road and dripping springs, they reached an agreement to buy the property to stop the development. A conservation focus group called FITSU Ridge, LLC, created by the SHIELD Air's Ranch Foundation, which has the ranch right behind all of that. They signed a contract to purchase the land from the California developer, Blizz X's. I think that's how you say it, Blizz X's, LLC. The sale is scheduled to close January 6, 2026. The SHIELD's Air Foundation, known for supporting environmental and land conservation efforts in central Texas, says the concert venue will not be built on the property. The Foundation's Board says it is still too early to announce specific plans for the land. Now, people have been saying on the neighbors page, oh, they're going to build an apartment complex. We're going to do this. Stop listening to the noise. They don't know what they're doing. But local neighbors, environmental advocates and organizations oppose the development for years. You see all the signs. Please take the signs down now because it's going to, it's yucky, it's gross. They've been up there for three years. Siding concerns about water quality, wastewater discharge, traffic noise, light pollution, etc. The fight continued challenges in the developer's wastewater permit with the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality Community Opposition helped bring all parties together to reach this deal. Bottom line, though, a local conservation group, SHIELD's Ranch, is buying the site to permanently block the planned hill country music venue. So I think it's a win-win situation for everybody. So just humor me here for a second. What if this developer has a business model where they find a piece of land and they go in and it's in an area kind of like dripping springs where everybody's sort of environmentally concerned and not in my backyard and they buy it and then they announce these plans to do something they know everyone in the area will hate and then they double their money on the price of that land in a year. Plot twist. Think about that. You do a little deep dive and see what they bought it for because it'll, if I can figure that out. Because I mean, you buy a piece of land, I don't know what they paid for, a million dollars and then you spend, you know, twenty five thousand dollars coming up with a concept and doing some drawings. But they spend all that money on attorneys and all the BS that they had to go through. You're wondering what the shield ranch paid for it though. That's a good point. I don't know. I mean, look, I, the reason I bring that up is because when I first got into real estate like 20 years ago, there was a story about a guy that bought eight acres or something and kind of backed up to a residential neighborhood and he announced he was going to build a junk yard and all the neighbor, all the people that own property around there went up in arms and he sold it for three times what he paid for it a year later and really didn't do anything. So what you're saying is some of our houses that are still sitting, we can say it's going to be the next chicken ranch. Yeah, that's right. And maybe people will just buy somebody will buy it just to protect it. Yeah. Yeah, that is an interesting concept. I didn't think about that angle. Steve. I didn't think about that. You need something to think about. You know, I, what has ever happened to tech stock coming up? I mean, I know that they were talking about it and now they've kind of stopped talking about it. I think the design of downtown dripping is still going on, but the stretch from the water tower to where the 71 constructs or the L Ray, no, where the, the Oak Hill construction. Yeah, the L Ray road. Yeah. Not L Ray Mexican food. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you're such a, you eat there all the time. Yeah. That's right. But I think that's, that whole thing is on hold, which is a shame. I think, you know, people here, we're, we tend to be pretty vocal about what we want, which is great. Yeah. But they're going to shoot themselves in the foot. They keep. They keep pushing it down there. I don't think they realize tech stocks got a thousand other projects they can work on. And if that, if all the community is saying, no, no, we don't want that. We don't want that. Yeah. We don't want that. Then they just move on to something. Yeah. And there's still the same issue. Two 90 is so dangerous. It's one of the work. It's one of the most dangerous stretches of road in Texas. You were talking about the new road that came about that they just opened up in the two lights within 50 yards of each other down on Ranch Road 12. I'm not sure how that's, there's a light at a turn that goes into the duplexes there on the west side of Ranch Road 12. And then 50 feet further is the new road that cuts around behind the soccer park, which is a great little cut through. But I was there the other day and both those lights turned red and it was like a huge traffic jam. I don't, I'm not sure exactly what the answer to that is, but let's go get some orange vest and let's start to traffic some whistles. Yeah. I think it sounds like a great idea. Yeah. Why not? Well, I mean, the good part of your story is that the community got involved. They spoke their mind. And you know, in the long run, it worked out real well for the, that music venue not being built. And, you know, some of those people actually, I think, made quite a bit of money selling their property while they anticipated that that was going to be a really kind of a commercial hub around that music venue and they sold it the right time. Well, maybe they can go by Dreamland. That's just sitting there because that was a beautiful piece of property and great, great commercial 290 front. I think, I don't know, I miss, I miss, I miss being able to go to a concert and just, you know, driving 10 minutes away, 50 people, you know, it was such a great key. Yeah. Yeah, I know. That's the part of dripping. We probably won't ever get back. Yeah. But, you know, let's get Kenny Kane in here. Yeah, yeah. We're going to hang on sit tight. We're going to take a little break and get Kenny Kane in here. So hang on. Vodka flavored vodka. How boring. A deep-eddy vodka. We say, why stop there? Our vodka is made with real fruit, handcrafted right here in Texas. 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I would love to have been a co-founder, but I came a little bit after the fact. Well, thank you so much for joining us. My voice is barely there, but we'll-- Yeah, you sound like a mouse. It's okay. Well, welcome to the show. Well, thank you for having me. Yeah, thanks for making the time today. We usually start the show off by asking people how you ended up in dripping springs. You don't live in dripping. You live very close by. We won't hold that against you. Lakeways fine. Thank you. Thank you. But I think there's a really good story about how you and Michelle met. So give us that. Give us your version of that. There's a great story. So my wife grew up in Texas in a town called Evant, which if you take 281 north towards Fort Worth, you would probably drive through it and blink and you'd be through it. And then she had moved to the west coast. I'm giving you the very bridge to how Michelle and I met, which involved my wife. So we relocated back from Brooklyn, New York City in 2016 and planned a trip to New Orleans for St. Patrick's Day 2018. Wow. I can't believe it was that far. Oh, my gosh. Wow. And, you know, we woke up. We did breakfast. We did Bourbon Street. And we made our way to a balcony like you do with some hurricanes like you do. And we look over and there's this couple who seem very energetic and warm and inviting. And they've got pounds of beads, you know, not just a few strands, pounds and, you know, boxes. Knowing you after the fact, it's not outside of your personality to just say, come over and throw beads with us. And I feel like we spent hours, hours, never met a stranger for sure. Now, you know, great recommendation for a clover grill, which was fabulous. Yes. The greasy stand burger I've ever had. Yes. Yeah, we did Bourbon Street. And then, you know, like you do, you kind of regret going to Bourbon Street, but our friendship was one that has endured on social media. Yeah. And here we are. It's funny because I meet people, cool people all the time on vacation, but I never keep up with them. After me, they're like, oh, it's great, we'll write, I'll email you and then I never do, but you guys kept in touch. We bonded over a balcony and beads and Bourbon, probably or something. Yeah. What a lot of people don't know is apparently you're a bead cheater. We are a bead. You dangle the really nice beads and then they show you the beads and use that as a complete throwback. That's absolutely right. You probably had two or three really substantial ones. Maybe one that was like, it looked like a bowling down a Christmas tree or something. Yeah. And then, yeah, and that would be the carrot. And, you know, but it's like anything you have to take the good, the bad and the ugly. Anyway, I remember a couple of girls, like Lauren and I were doing it. His wife and we were dangling them over there and then we would throw the cheap beads and like a couple of them, we're going to come up and then we're going to kick our butt. Yeah. We're like, well, then we had Todd and Kenny next to us, so we were good. Yeah, that's right. We were good. You had the muscle, yeah. That's right. Do you move to the Austin area for the Testicular Cancer Foundation? I did. I did. So in 2005, my dad was diagnosed with Testicular Cancer. I was an high school senior. His 50th birthday was that May and about a week later he sat me down. We have a very, you know, very comical on the best way to describe it. I don't know if he would be able to either. But we don't have a lot of serious conversations aside saving, you know, putting money in the 401K. And I was like, all right, what's going on? And he told me that he had, he was getting like chicken salad out of the fridge and he had clocked himself in the nuts and he discovered a lump days after the pain didn't go away. So whether it was coincidental, serendipity, whatever it might be, luckily he worked in a operating room in a hospital as support staff. And he literally got diagnosed in the locker room from his buddy, who was a urologist. And how could you look at this and had his testicle removed like two days later in the same operating room? So it wasn't even like we had this on ramp for the trauma. It was just very tactical like I have testicle cancer and in two days I'm going to get it removed. And it was like, okay, what do I do? You know, about a month from graduation, a month from prom. And all of that was sort of second seat to this experience. And then that whole summer leading up to my first year of college, right, another big milestone. We were in chemo. We had multiple surgeries and it just sort of, I just remember listening to like Fleetwood Mac landslide over and over again. Like that was my coping mechanism and it was pretty sad. It was pretty sad. Did you have friends at that time? I did. I did. I mean, fairer to expect that I did. Okay. But no, I did. And yeah, we got together. We got through it together. You know, he's my best friend, still, you know, ranks very high. Lauren might, you know, be up there with him at this point. And mom as well and my sister, now, you name one person, you have to name everybody, right? That's right. Because he asks her. That's right. Yeah, play the music. Yeah. Play the music. And we just, you know, we kind of got through it. And I always tell the story now about how some people will go run marathons or dedicate their life to whatever it might be. He was very much like, let me read Lance Armstrong's book and get back to life. And then I became the nagging reminder that he ever had it while thrown beyond to this point 20 years later. So yeah. So five years, you want to ask questions? Well, yeah. So he's doing okay. He's doing great. Yeah. Doing great. You know, complaining about being elderly, which is a jab, he's not, he's not elderly. But he would call himself an active senior. Oh, okay. He's probably my age. I'm officially a senior citizen now. I mix. Yeah. Congrats. Did they give you a card for that? Yeah. Apparently they do. But you have to pay for it. Yeah. She got her dollar coffee at McDonald's this morning. So that's, that's your senior. I get my discount at Ross now. I'm excited about that for sure. So you grew up in New York City, though. I grew up on Long Island. So we'll get back to how I got down here and yeah, and all that. So I grew up on Long Island, bounced around the SUNY system, State University of New York, into a couple of different schools before I landed on a communications degree. And in my fifth year of undergrad, I was listening to a cancer survivor talk about this little nonprofit shoes volunteering for. It was called the I'm too young for this cancer foundation. Wow. 15 to 39 was the age demographic any type of cancer. And the reason that that was the brackets is because zero to 15 and 40 plus were surviving. 15 to 39 were dying for all the reasons that you might not be a great patient in your counties in thirties for all the reasons your doctor might not expect that your headache is a brain tumor or your back pain is testicular cancer. You know, all those sort of things is like you're some Tylenol and go deal with it. So I, I immediately tuned into this presentation because we all needed an internship. So I literally got in trouble for emailing the CEO, which is a guy named Matthew Zachary, who is a founder of Stupid Cancer, which is the same organization as I'm tuned for this. I hopped on we were I two I shorthand and then him and I rebranded it to Stupid Cancer, which was our t-shirt, which is, you know, Stupid Cancer, I'm too young for this dot org. And everyone just started to call us the two guys from Stupid Cancer, and you don't, don't find it right? The market kind of decides what's cool. And as soon as we rebranded, it was off to the races. Really? Yeah. So this was a nonprofit that she started. You traveled around the country. I did. And giving talks. Yeah. So he was the token survivor. He had survived brain cancer in '95 and taught himself how to play piano again. You know, he's got all these great stories. And he and I really grew, I would say he had the vision for it, and I sort of had the operational sweat equity. That was my contribution. And then on a long enough timeline, he just gave me the honorary co-founder of Stupid Cancer, where the, you know, it's kind of like a granular distinction. He started I2Y, and then together we, we started this new thing. Okay. Which is an ongoing thing. Yeah. So I left in 2016, he left, I think he left in 2018 or 2019, and then there's a new team running it. They do a fabulous job. It's enduring. I think if you look back on something you've created, like a podcast or a nonprofit, I heard you guys talking about the future of what this is going to be, and it could survive without you. That's amazing. And I think it proves the model of, you know, there was something there. I will say, you know, the best way to spend my early 20s was doing that, driving across the country a couple of times on an awareness campaign, and just meeting so many amazing people. It was, you know, talking about filling our bucket that was overflowing. Did you ever get any kind of pushback because you weren't a cancer survivor and you were a caretaker? So someone early on called me the Spud's Mackenzie of the Cancer World, which was the Bud, I think it's the Budweiser dog, where it was kind of like, I was just like the mascot. But I think what it did is it allowed us to appeal to the caregiver community. Yeah. And it kind of created a new branch of business for us. And yeah, I definitely have had imposter syndrome at times. Like what am I doing in this room, but then I feel like I've been validated through a lot of experiences. And I think for people who may not have survived their cancer, I can kind of be the historian in certain ways. I think that's something that's overlooked. I think, you know, somebody in your family gets cancer. It's hard on everybody. It's like you were talking about your dad. That was a hard experience for you and we don't, there's really no playbook. Yeah. We don't think about the, you know, the people that are around that are helping you when you're sick and feeding you and taking care of you and driving you to the hospital for your chemo and all that. It's hard on people. But there's also a delicate balance to not make it about you. And I think the certain personalities can certainly say, oh, I'm dealing with this. Yeah. But really it's. Well, especially as a young man at that time, you know, you're thinking, okay, well, what a, is this something that I could get to and I was reading about some of the statistics about it. And normally your father was kind of late. Normally, it's between 15 and 34 years of age. One in 250 males will be diagnosed with it in their lifetime. It's 99% curable in stage one. That's right. And 9,560 men will be diagnosed with it this year. And that's crazy. That's a, and so there's a lot of, you know, pink ribbons or they're, are there ribbons? Are there things out there? Is this just kind of one of those silent, silent diseases? There's, yeah, there's a diagnosis. It's one of those things where you don't think about it until it comes into your life. And prior to my dad's diagnosis, I had worked in a pharmacy, worked with cancer patients and other, you know, chronic illness kind of stuff. And I was, I was ready for the mindset, but it was one of those things where until it really hits you, it's not something that you're really thinking about. And, you know, having gone through the experience as a caregiver and then being acutely aware of my, like we would joke that it was on my, my business card for a long time that I was pre-cancerous because everybody had their diagnosis on their business card. And I had yet to be diagnosed. We just said, oh, I'm pre-cancerous, right? Whether it's genetic or environmental, you know, the likelihood that we're going to get something is, is, is there interesting. Yeah. So you left stupid cancer in 2016? I did. And then did you, is that when you joined Testicular Cancer Foundation? Yes. So my good friend, Matt Fersler, who is a Houston native, it's been a lot of time in the Lake Travis area and then settled out here. He essentially reached out and said, hey, I'm looking to take a step back. It probably after seven or eight years of, of doing it. He had this, this idea for this venture he was about to embark on, which we'll get to. And he said, you know, you've got the tie to Testicular Cancer, you've got the operations background. Him and I are about the same age, good friends. And, you know, I just, I kind of got the, the, the ask and I said, yeah, I couldn't think of a better way to transition out of New York. I had, had Austin on my radar, kind of Nashville, San Diego, just based on some of my travels. Where else could I exist besides New York City, which was kind of getting old? And was Lauren excited to be back in Texas? It was a pretty easy, pretty easy transition for her to come back. She had stopped in Maryland and then we were together in New York for three years. And we went away on a Caribbean vacation. We came home and there was snow and slush and like brown snow. We were pulling our luggage through the puddles. We're like, let's get, let's get out of here. Yeah. Yeah. So it was kind of a, a multi-month transition for us leading up to, to me, ultimately giving notice and stepping down and, you know, a lot of it was like, how could you leave this massive thing you've built? And it just felt like the right decision for, I would say more so for the family than, you know, whatever the future of Super Cancer was going to be kind of to think about yourself in that, that situation, but, you know, I also looked back on what we had accomplished and I said, what else is there to do? You know, let's bring you, but somebody else could come in in your spot with different ideas and maybe, and, and, and take it to the next level or even just keep the momentum going. That's right. That's right. Sometimes, uh, and somebody stepping out of a role is the chance for an, or no, organization to grow. So it's what, uh, I'm hanging up my headphones, Michelle. You take it from here. Oh, yeah. I'm sure. I'm sure. Get your husband here for sure. So now you have, you and Lauren have two precious babies and, uh, that's crazy. They're a little, little Texans. They are. Yes. We, um, kind of got started around early COVID times and, uh, Pearl is four and a half. She's so cute. She's great. She was born, uh, ahead of hair, too, on that girl. She's got a great head hair. She's born in June of 2021 and, uh, wow, boy. Yeah. Yeah. That was in the thick of, yes, we dealt with a lot of weird COVID, um, doctors appointment requirements. And it, you know, it wasn't always great news coming out of the doctors. Yeah. Um, and, and it was really hard during COVID to be on FaceTime for some of like the really tough discussions early on in our process. And, um, got pregnant with Pearl and then it started to lighten up. Things got easier and it, you know, you could have a plus one and then it was like, okay, there's like the, the, the, the, the birth story between Pearl and Declan, you know, a couple years apart was, you know, just marked by the COVID restrictions and then, you know, kind of getting back to life. Yeah. That was a crazy time. Uh, um, um, my wife was involved in an accident in August of 2020 and she was in the hospital and they wouldn't let me go in to see her. Like, it's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird to think, I mean, we don't want to go too far down that wall, but it's crazy to think of the stuff that we put up with and, and, you know, obviously they were doing it out of, out of best practices at the time. Yeah. But, um, the, I want to circle back to the testicular cancer foundation. So what's your major, what's your role there? So I'm currently the CEO, I've been the CEO for about 10 years now. And I focused initially and, and throughout my tenure, just about expanding, uh, expanding the mission, expanding the reach, um, you, I think early on it was very much focused on awareness and education, getting guys who had been through it, uh, immediate support if they were recently diagnosed, talking to the families. And it was very like concierge level support by the founder, uh, and, and it, it worked. It was, it was a fabulous model. And I think coming from my, um, I guess enterprise scale with, with big conferences in Vegas in Denver and kind of larger activations, my thought was, how do we scale this where, you know, instead of a dozen guys in room, we can get a hundred, um, and I kind of applied my stupid cancer philosophies to the organization and, um, true to form. We have a conference now in Vegas that gets about 75 to 100 people out. We have caregivers, um, wives, girlfriends, okay, dads, you know, family members. Uh, we've also got a lot, a lot of long term testicular cancer survivors, which is wonderful for the newly diagnosed guys to see, sure. And even in like the past two or three years, we've had a couple of guys who showed up with their mom, didn't say much year one. And then by year two or year three, they're just, you know, butterflies and, and uh, it's amazing. Yeah, talking to the next guy who's just kind of sitting there with his hands in this pocket. It's, it's really fun to continue to see that progress, uh, fills up the bucket. That leads me to my question about the embarrassment factor for a young, young man that, you know, maybe feels something like as far as the symptoms, what I was reading was, um, change in size, hard lumps, painful areas, kind of like what you were describing with your father. But how do you take away the stigmatism of, you know, I'm just, I'm talking about a body part and, and, you know, you're having a 16, 17 year old go into a doctor, yeah, have and look at that. How are you stripping that embarrassment aspect away? It's tough. And it's even younger. Um, you know, hear about some of these like late stage diagnosis because the kid didn't want to tell his parents that he had this thing going on, um, or, you know, in your 20s and 30s, probably more in your 20s where you're navigating jobs without health insurance. Yeah. And, you know, I'd go to the doctor, but it's going to cost me $500 or an ER visit. Yeah, it's just not a lot of that access to care that, um, could easily, um, you know, point in a direction that, oh, it's, it's temporary or it's something we need to look into. And I would say there's also things about the mal anatomy where people will have kind of a false positive on a, uh, you know, they, they, they detect their epidemics or their spermatic cord and they're like, hey, what is this thing on my testicle? So what we really try to do is hone in on what it is, uh, we've got a new campaign called the Stresticles, uh, which is, which is a, uh, it's, it's a program that we worked with, uh, with a company called Neon. And essentially it is, um, two balloons that are tied together filled with, I was calling it secret sauce and then I had to kind of get away from that. It's, it's kind of like, it's kind of like a hand lotion viscosity inside the balloon. One of them is just a normal ball that is, is squishy and then the other ball has what we would consider, uh, a typical tumor on it. It's not a hundred percent, you know, going to be the case, but it's, it's pretty emblematic of what it feels like. And the, the experience for someone interacting with the Stresticles is, you know, you've got your one normal one and you've got your one that feels wrong. And I think that the goal of the program and the goal of TCF is really, that's my fault. I turned it on auto play where we're, uh, we're watching the Stresticles, uh, infomercial, but essentially we're, we're just trying to get to the point of, you know, what feels normal, what feels, you know, not normal and then what, what are next steps? And that's, that's missionary for TCF. And so somebody, somebody can order these. Yeah. So we've got kits. They're 999. You can assemble it. So you're literally starting from scratch with the balls, the one that's normal and the one that's got the tumor. You're creating it. Oh. She's pretty darn hard. So this, the footage, uh, this is not great for radio, but the footage is basically, uh, walking through Las Vegas. This is during our conference and, uh, people interacting with the Stresticles. Oh, look at that. Yeah. That's a test, testicular cancer or, and there's a link for stress. And you also have shower, like, very similar to like breast cancer. You have shower hangs. That's right. So the goal of the shower card is to put in your shower, uh, select a day of the month, whether it's the first or the 15th or every second, Thursday, you know, whatever it could be, uh, just to see what the changes are on a month-to-month basis, because I think it's important for you to get a baseline of where you're at. And then if it does change, what does that look like? And the reason for this is when it's caught early, the survivability is very high when it's, uh, very advanced, the survivability goes down. That's right. And the treatment ranges. And if you can do what's called surveillance, where you may just have an orkyectomy, uh, which is the removal of the testicle, okay. And then you wouldn't need to go under chemo or, uh, you know, whatever your treatment plan would be. Um, if you catch it at a certain maybe stage two, you have a couple of rounds of chemo, which was my dad's case, uh, and there's, you know, I don't want to get too granular on the medical stuff just because I'll probably make a misstatement, but, um, you know, it just ranges. So the earlier you catch it, the better and the better your survivorship will be. Yeah. I'm going to talk about the, uh, this, you have a, uh, operations background and you come into this nonprofit, uh, are they, uh, are they mostly volunteers or do you have, are they mostly staff that you work with? So we have one other staff member, uh, his name is Connor O'Leary. He's the chief mission officer, uh, wonderful human being, uh, one of my closest friends get to work with him on a daily basis. He's a survivor, uh, which is important. So, so somebody comes into the organization, it's kind of like you go left, you go right, ask a question about fundraising and, you know, IRS stuff come to me, questions about what do I do? Uh, do I see which doctor, you know, all that kind of stuff, you know, go to, go to Connor and we'll make some resources. Do you have a resources on your, um, on your website about, you know, certain doctors that, that target this cancer? We do. There's a couple who have been doing this, um, for, for all of their careers, uh, there's one called, uh, Dr. Lawrence Einhorn. Uh, he's one of the founding fathers of modern testicular cancer treatment. There's another one, Dr. Craig Nichols, really, it's, it's, it's about the doctor and then it's also about where they practice out of, right? And if you're telling me that you're going to go get treated in your local community hospital, our recommendation would be, well, maybe you want to get a second opinion, right? Yeah. Not to, not to kind of throw shade on the local hospitals. They certainly are probably up to snuff, but, uh, you probably want a specialist. You probably want a specialist. Yeah. You should get us some of these shower cards. We'll stick them in our swag. We'll get them in our swag bag. I wish you brought me some of the squishy balls. They, they ship, they ship that in New York. We'll get you some. I want squish balls. I want squish balls. Yeah. And there's, here's my headphones. There. Yeah. Um, so you have, you must have a lot of volunteers. We do. So we've got a national, um, you know, distributed volunteer team. We've got a discord, which is an app, I know you guys are pretty fond of your apps around here. Uh, and it's, it's probably got about 500 people that talk on a daily basis. And really the, it's kind of shifted over the years as these different apps come out, right? You know, it used to be a Facebook group and now it's a discord, uh, chat, uh, and those guys are ready to go. So sometimes we'll have, maybe a golf tournament pop up in Syracuse, New York, or a, we've got a, um, you Syracuse. We've got an ocapella group that raises money for us every year in Syracuse. Uh, they call themselves Cacapella. They just, they just, uh, finished their annual campaign and raised a whole bunch of money for us. The jokes is right themselves. They do. And it's really hard to limit yourself when you, when you think about it, you know, creating t-shirts for this stuff. Well, you know what the name of this podcast is going to be. You know what? I like the fact that there's a little bit of levity about it because it breaks down those barriers about some 16, 17 year old, like you're saying Michelle, kid, if there's a little bit of levity, they're not so embarrassed to say, Hey, mom or hey, dad, I got this weird thing going on. And you have to have a multi-prong approach in terms of like how you attract people, right? So there's the serious side. You really have to meet people where they're at and speak to a demographic that spans 15 to 35 of, you know, where are people at in their life? How come more people aren't talking about this? I mean, it's not sexy. Right? I mean, we've, we've got our opinions. We had lands on strong, right? We had lands made Tom Green. So I grew up with Tom Green. He had televised his, his surgery, you know, that was kind of like the first, in my lifetime, it was the first I might have ever heard of Tisticula Cancer. Tom Green was married to Drew Barrymore. Here's the connection. Who's an actor? Who's an actor? I don't know. Was it the Chad? Was it the Chad? That's a deep Russian. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yes. But to answer your question, so yeah, these Discord guys, we could say we've got an opportunity for somebody to go speak in Phoenix, Arizona. And we usually have somebody who, you know, different levels of, you know, confidence in the ability to represent us or just be a T.C. guy out there in the field. Yeah. What I'm asking about for me, I'm the president of a couple of different boards, which are all volunteer run. And sometimes it's hard to be demanding on volunteers for sure and keep them motivated, enthusiastic. How do you do that as the CEO? It's a good question. I don't know if there's a perfect science to it. I think that like I was saying with my dad, and I don't want to throw him under the bus as someone who goes through it and moves on. I mean, that's maybe the best case scenario. There's another, you know, alternate versions of that where people want to run marathons or people want to be volunteers. I think it kind of has to work for their lifestyle. And some people, like I said, we'll run with it forever. You may have somebody who you haven't heard from in years, and maybe they have a new job or they've got a new, it's funny because I think it almost, it's almost the person thinking that they can't give you anything. But it's the nonprofit, you know, you're kind of this vacuum or this magnet for like, we want anything you can give us. And you kind of have to, on a one-to-one basis triage, you know, what's that mutual relationship look like. Yeah. And then give them the tasks you think they would excel. That's right. And you also have to be mindful of, you know, where are they at, what's their mental health? You don't want to burn somebody out. Yeah. Well, it leads into the book that you wrote, the accidental nonprofit here. And you kind of, you kind of run through that in your book and you're kind of pros and cons and finding it out. I mean, you were a young man when you first started all of this, you kind of just made this up as you went along. Yeah. So the book was fun, you know, with the rise of these AI apps and LLMs. And I had written 10 years ago, I think I wrote about six, I'm sorry, I can't, LLMs. So, large language models. Oh, yeah. So the chat GPT's clawed. Okay. Got you. Okay. So 10 years ago, I was, you know, thinking of myself highly as like this blogger and, you know, I was going to change the world and I just didn't have, I couldn't connect the dots between like creating a manuscript and then getting it published and this financial components of that. And I feel like with AI, you know, everything's a click away, really. So the book came out of just a late night conversation with Claude, which sounds as creepy as it is where you're like talking to this computer and it's like, oh, that's great, Kenny. You have any more thoughts about this and it's like, you're my new best friend. So I dumped, I dumped the manuscript into Claude and I said, all right, what's the through line of the book? Like what's the story here? And what came out of it was that I am not a, you know, professionally classically trained a nonprofit guy. I didn't go to college for it. I don't have a degree in nonprofit management, which, you know, kind of looking back, I was like, all right, would that really be necessary? Anyway, the book really just talks about how it all comes down to a couple of core principles. And when I was 15, I started working in the pharmacy, like I mentioned, and I feel like that training at a young age, kind of the sensitivity, the empathy, the level of professionalism that was needed to interact with patients. That was my approach for everything in the nonprofit world without knowing it at the time. Right? It was just second nature. And, you know, I'm sure I had missed steps early on and, you know, lack of sensitivity to certain areas and you just kind of learn trial by fire. And that's really the life of the book is. Yeah. So when you dump this into AI, did AI, right, I'm holding that beer, right, it for you. And so fair question. I wrote a blog post using AI addressing this very question. Yeah. I used AI, talking about AI. It's like I said before we went on AI, I want everything to be like Willy Wonka's chocolate factory, where everything's edible, like everything I do is going to be somehow interwoven with AI. No, no. So what you do is you, you know, in my case, it took my words and it kind of created a table of contents and structure and then we went chapter by chapter of like, does this feel right? Like what's missing? And it would hallucinate. Right? That's kind of the derogatory term for AI. It has these hallucinations or it misquotes things or misreferences things. You could call that Michelle. Yeah. That's Michelle. And that's sort of what's funny to me, not that I'm any kind of AI expert, but I feel like my proficiency in it is a lot of people don't understand that even if you had a ghost writer or somebody working with you on a book, like, you're only as good as that person. Yeah. Right? So if you're going to be, if you're going to kind of slight the app, you know, how good is your ghost writer? Yeah. So long story short, we went through these iterations. There were certain aspects of it where I would say, no, let's cut that. Like it started creating different vignettes about cancer to people and their stories. And I was like, no, I don't want to make anything up about somebody's cancer. So we're like, we're like an invisible person that had cancer because they were talking about like volunteer. Yeah, there's like, there's enough real people out there that can get stories. Yeah. Yeah, exactly right. I've got plenty to lean on. I don't need to invent anything. So it was, it was more of just kind of massaging and molding. How long ago was this when you first started it? The book. Yeah. I started in August. And I think I had published a week later, which August of what year this year. This year. So when you're the AI that you use, is it chat? So I go, it's funny. I had this conversation with my chief mission officer's counter. He just asked me what apps I use and I use a bunch of them. And it's almost second nature now like where I'm going to go for what? Chat GPC is great for like the one offs. And then once you kind of have your thought process, whether it's like a creative brief, which I did on the second book, then I bring it into Claude and I were just, you know, full throttle on iterating the chapters. So Claude is an actual AI model. Yeah. So Claude is known for being a good writing platform. Chat GPC, I also known for being a good writing platform, but also other tasks. Where do you think the, because we're kind of in the wild, wild West pioneer of the Ace of AI. What do you think 10 years from now that world looks like with AI? Well, I'm glad you asked that. We're all dumb. And one of the reason that I kind of put the first book out and I put the second book out. And I said, well, you can't trademark, they can't copyright any of your material. And I said, well, then I'm going to, then I'm going to, I'm going to do a lot of it now before they come out and say, you know, you can't publish an AI book or be, you know, before the restrictions come out, let's, let's get some of the stuff out there because they're being written right now. For sure. Yeah. Well, and it was, and I'll just use this as sort of like a moment in time and, and very politically, when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, there was instantly books about the Charlie Kirk assassination. It's like, how did somebody just do that in the last two hours before we even know the whole thing? Yeah. So, so things are happening very fast, where things are going. I think it's giving a voice to people like me who maybe had the components, but not the entire thing figured out. It's giving, you know, people who have less of a voice or maybe they literally can't sit there and type of manuscripts. And maybe they're dictating, like I'm starting into like AI dictation, which is a lot of fun for meetings and for just sort of like spitballing. And yourself, like, so did you self publish this? Yeah. So basically the process is you've got your exported manuscript from the app. You dump it into a Kindle, it's called Kindle Create and it turns it into your ePub file, which is what you upload. Alice Hutchinson did, yeah, exactly. And then once you've got that established, you can take your ePub and go to Google Books and Apple Books and syndicate it across all these different platforms. So do you, I saw something that Elon Musk said the other day, I think he said it by 2030, nobody will work anymore because I think that's what it was. Well, because of AI, what do you think the world looks like? I talk to a lot of different people about this and I feel like some people are kind of on my side of the fence where it's like it's just a tool that you can use. And then there's some people who feel like super intelligence is right around the corner, which is robots kind of taking over. I think you have to live within reality and hear it now and just understand that people can use things for good and for evil and sometimes apps like this can help you write a book or maybe sometimes it can help you. I think I can finally publish my books, Shit Steve says. Shit. Yeah. Right now. It sort of makes me sad about the death of personality and writing because you can program your chat to be to have a little bit of your personality, but it won't catch all the little wonky things you say or the tone of your voice when you write something I am sad about losing. Well, there's a concept called training the model and what I did is I had, from the stupid cancer days, I had a bunch of blog posts that I had written for some of the software. I would basically barter with software companies and say, I'll give you a case study or I'll write a couple of blogs for you on how I use it if you give me a 50% discount or a non-profit discount. And they loved it because we were a good cause that they could highlight. But the long story on that is now I've got all these blog posts from 10 years ago, which some of them are better than others, but I was able to take them all and dump them into claw and dump them into chat you between. I said, "Here's my writing style." And some of them were edited by an editor, right, getting back to like the complaints or the complaints about AI writing for you, everything is edited to some extent. So it had most of my tone, my personality, whether if I want to call something out and I put a sentence on it, it's online, outside of a paragraph, all those little nuances aside from this whole conversation about the MDash or bulleted list, like the hallmarks of AI writing, which is funny because I'm one of the people that use in MDash. It's still used. I use MDash just like I've always used it. It's wonderful. But it's not the long. It's the long. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Well, that's very interesting. Yeah. I write articles and blogs for different things. And I always try and put something in there that, you know, when I read it, I'm like, "Oh, damn. That's pretty good." And I just, I feel like that's going to be lost. So you think I'd break my chat GPD if I tried to write it? You said it yesterday. You were like, "Oh, my chat GPD is not working, I'm like, I wonder why, I'm a shit." It's like I quit. Yeah. I totally quit. Let's talk about your role in "Firm Space." Sure. And what is "Firm Space?" And what is "Firm Space?" So I have seen the movie We Crashed. So you're not Adam Newman in any way. You're not dancing around here and you're underwear. That's right. And I, which I really appreciate that. That was "Burbon Street." Thank you. Yeah, that was "Burbon Street." I tangled some beads out there for you. I feel like "Firm Space" is the booger version of "We Work" and is that so, so expand on what exactly it is. Yeah. So I feel like with, with any industry that kind of has waves, you know, everybody saw what we work was doing and you know, I think everybody, maybe not everybody, it's kind of generalization. But a lot of people have maybe been in a temporary office situation or even sublet or, "Hey, I've got a desk if you need to come work outside your house at some point in their career." And we've all experienced, you know, the variations of quality. Or Starbucks. That's right. Starbucks versus Summerman. Yeah. Whatever you're, whatever you're preferred. Anyway. So "Firm Space" was intended to be the four seasons of "Flex Office Space," right? Or if you've ever been inside of a Regis, it was intended to be kind of the, it'd be nice if we had this at Regis. And we, you know, we work can kind of exist in multiple different forms, multiple different base buildings. And for us, it was, you know, step one is going to be a class A office tower. You know, we want to be, it's high up in the building. We want the best views of the city. We want to be in the coolest part of the city. It's kind of the eat, work, play mentality. You know, we don't want to be at the time of starting it. We didn't want to be kind of edge of town. We didn't want to be in a B building or a C building, God forbid. Yeah. Really, it's just kind of like the nicest and best, was the mentality. And in building it out, we made decisions on construction around acoustics, right? You don't want to hear your neighbor, right? So we spent a little bit more money on insulation and doing things that would dampen the sound. Like white noise or using, there's acoustical caulking that you can put in between. I mean, it really gets into the weeds and lowering decibels. We obsessed over foot candles, which is, you know, the amount of light that comes down from your lighting. And we really wanted it to be a place where somebody could move in, make it their own, and do really serious, productive work without the hang-ups of, oh, my neighbor is crazy. Or, oh, I got to, you know, somebody's cooking fish in the microwave. Right. It's just an elevated experience for everybody. So we've got somebody that's in the break room like, no fish, no popcorn. There's currently an offender cooking eggs on a regular basis. Let's name them right now. Well, some of our pillars are privacy and security, so I will redact. Okay. Here's just the egg cooker. Is this the Google building? It is. It is, which colloquially known as the Google building. They now have the sale building as well. Okay. So it's yet to be determined on what their footprint. They've already given back one floor in Austin, the one right above us. So they have the top 10 floors at 500 West Second Street. We have the 19th floor, which was the first non-Google building getting back to our aspirations of being as high as possible. This is a beautiful. It's great. It's great. So we've got Austin. We've got Denver, Houston and Atlanta in order. And it's great. I love going to work every day. You know, it blends. Do you go down to this office? So we also have an office in B cave, which is how I landed it. Oh, how convenient. Which is how I... Yeah. Which is how I landed in... It's a very small office. Okay. It's our corporate headquarters. But that's how I landed out in Lake Waversey just moving into a high-rise downtown. So these individual offices, I have it up on our YouTube. So they can... An individual can rent these individual offices. And so just walk me through this. I'm walking into firm space. You have a reception that kind of... We do. It's all very intentional in design. Okay. So you come off the elevator, which, you know, to get up the elevator, you would need some sort of purpose for being there. It's not just like a hey, come check us out. Because speak easy for people at nine to five. That's right. So you're greeted... And a lot of times the people that work in there don't necessarily want to be interrupted. Right. So our team not only is reception concierge, but it's also a bit of gatekeeping for people who might have sales people that come call on them. So anyway, so you come up the elevator. You're greeted by reception. You know, either you have a meeting with us. You have a meeting with one of our members. And we have a tech that we can send a text message to our members. Like Joe's here to see you or you've got a food delivery or a package delivery. They come out and get it and it's all very, it's all pretty fluid. So it's, but it's private. It's a private space. It is. It's locked. It's locked. It's locked. Their desk isn't out in the open. That's right. That's right. So everyone's got... It's really executive suites. And we can get to the differentiation. So co-working is this concept of maybe you're a member of something and you shop and, oh, you're sitting over there in the phone booth or you're at the picnic table, Robbie. Wherever there's an open space. That's right. We're just kind of showing up. We call it pro-working, right? Because we're not co-working. And executive suites is kind of this old school like, oh. So we blended it and we call it pro-working and, yeah, there's a lot of marketing and branding inside that. But go ahead. Go. Who's the perfect customer for this? So we've got... It was built with lawyers in mind, which is why it's called firm space. We quickly realized that it's really any seasoned professional who maybe is, you know, towards the middle to end of their career. It could be somebody who has, you know, maybe they're trying to grow out of their home office or they're scaling down from this large-scale permanent office that they had. It could be anybody. It's... There's really no one answer to your question. It's like a home office, but with a C-suite feel. Exactly, right? So when was the company established? 2016. And then we opened in Austin in September of 2017. How did it affect you with the whole work from home? Oh, yeah. Same. Yeah. It was definitely... Yeah, there was definitely a period of time where I was writing emails every single day about the different orders coming down in the state of Texas and then Colorado and Georgia. We actually started construction in February of 2020 in Atlanta. And somebody got sick and they had to shut the whole thing down. And we very quickly realized how COVID was going to affect that construction project. Because, you know, February or March of 2020, it was like somebody who was coughing. Now you've got to spray this entire construction site with electrostatic. Anyway. Yeah. I remember... I remember one time I sneezed. I was shopping at Marshalls and I sneezed and I thought that I was going to be arrested. Yeah. I was like, I had to go hide behind the lotions. To answer your question, it was... It was horrible. Absolutely horrible for the industry, for office space. You know, the landlord's kind of dealt with with their end of it. But we hung our hat on the fact that we were already socially distanced. You know, a lot of our communications were about how we were built for social distancing because everybody was in their own self-contained kind of pod. And, you know, we got into the HEPA filters and, you know, questions about should we introduce UV lighting into the HVAC. There was... And temperature control when you walk in the door. That's right. Every place you walked in, they stick a little longer. The Mexican food place. I'd walk in and they'd like, hit it, it'd fix to the wall and I would be like, I just had jalapenos. Yeah. It's crazy how... You know, I do a lot of like, on this day with my Facebook and it's just looking back on five years ago. Some of like the reflective posts and like, well, I went to the mall today. There was a two-week period where the city of Austin mandated that if you run outside around town, like, you had to run clockwise to reduce the transmission of COVID. Come on. What science was that based on? No, I mean, and, you know, we kind of touched on it earlier. Some of it was, you know, at the time, perhaps, best practices for... I think people were just pulling stuff out of there, you know? Yeah, well, and I would say, you know, corporate communications, we were clinging to anything that felt like it was going to work. Sure, yeah. Are you seeing now sort of the death of remote work, though, where people want to go back to office? Interesting. And my wife has kind of been the end user of this where her company has had variations of hybrid and, you know, RTO or turn office and, you know, we want you in 50% of the time, you know, how does that work on a five-day span? It's kind of more like, you know, three out of the five days we want in the office. For us, you know, it's kind of like a, I don't want to compare it to a storage unit, but you take a contract out and it's just yours. Yeah. You don't necessarily think about what a individual or a CEO who's got multiple offices at firm space, what their approach is, you know, they've got an agreement with us and, however they use it is, is up to them. Yeah. I could see, though, you know, somebody like my husband, especially if my kids were still home, that he could be using something like this because the kids were distraction, you know, being home, coming home from school and he's trying to, he's on the phone with China or whoever he's on the phone with, and the kids are, "Hey, I hate you." It's been about five days for Michelle and I, we could not do remote work. Sure. The KW pretty much said the office is locked and it was, but we were still coming to the office because I can't work for them. No. We had some people who used it non-stop throughout the pandemic and they enjoyed it because it was quiet. Sure. Yeah, sure. It was their playground. But, you know, at the time you have to do, you know, what you need to do with the big jar and, you know, we had staggered work shifts for our employees and, you know, don't get close. You have two employees at each location. It was like if they ever got close and one was impacted, then the other person had to isolate. Oh, isolation. I've read about that. I think though that the work from home whole project really helped the growth of Austin because people were moving here to Austin so they wouldn't have to be there where their headquarters were. Yeah. It really, really hit downtown Austin commercial space though hard, really hard. Yeah. It was a three or four-year slump there. They're just now coming out. Knock on wood, we did not see a lot of that. I think because we're pretty diversified in terms of the number of companies that work with us. Yeah. And people just want turnkey. Right? They want to be able to show off and log in. Yeah, exactly. What I think is an employer though, also, you know, the whole work from home concept is you want to be able to have an employee that is accessible but also professional. So like during the day, that was the thing that we learned when we were working from home because, you know, you have laundry going and, you know, I go, I guess I'll make an hour. Yeah. I'm going to make a bridge. For sure. But at least if you're in a space like this, you know, like when we come here to work, we're here to work. That's right. Yeah. You got your boss looking over you sure. What are you working on right now, Michelle? Yeah. That's right. I heard about your micromanagement. I am a king of micromanage. That's fun. That was in your last episode. Yeah. He doesn't have any stab marks anymore. Yeah. I think he'll see that. I think he'll see that. Kenny, would you say, you talked about your public speaking. Would you say you're a reluctant public speaker? I am, I've always tried to maintain a degree of humility because especially in the cancer world and I say this with all the love to everybody everywhere. My old CEO, Matt Zachary, I recently told him everything I learned about self-aggrandizement I learned from him because as a, you know, as kind of like a lance or I'm stronger, somebody, like all you're doing is talking about yourself, right? And I think where the halo effect is, is you are educating maybe a nurse, right? And a community cancer center on how to interact with somebody like him who's been through that, right? So it's not just all about me, me, me. You are educating, ultimately, and I've, to your point about like, did I, did I feel like I was not, like the imposter syndrome, right? Like I was the caregiver in the room full of survivors, like what was I going to go up on stage and say? And I would even say that about my nonprofit or operations or tech intuition. Like what am I going to go tell somebody that they may not already know? I think what's cool about the books is beauties in the eye of the beholder. And I keep telling my friends and family like, I'm just waiting for a one-star review so that I could at least iterate the content in the books. Like if it was cool, chapter seven kind of sucked, like I would just love for some objective feedback. But the books are really written for somebody who's, you know, maybe a mother of somebody who passed. Like somebody who's just getting started, right? Somebody, the 22 year old me that is, you know, just eager to help, dear and headlights and where do I start? Yeah. Like that. I'm sixty three. I'm sixty two. I'm not even sixty. I'm going to go right now and give you a one-star review, can you request it? We'll ask Dustin from Austin to do it. That's where we got our one-star review from one time. We always love those people, don't we? Yeah, we do. I love constructive criticism. If somebody actually sits down and takes the time to send me an email or text saying, "Hey, this was all great, but, you know, I thought you could have done a better job on this." Well, I'm all for it. People that go, "Uh, Steve just sucks." That's what I say every day, so I just... You probably haven't heard, but Dustin said, "Yeah, Steve sucks, but Michelle seems pretty cool." That was... Was it on Keller Williams or was it on the podcast? No, it was on the podcast, like when we were, like, 20 episodes. We ran with it and we're still talking about it, but I love constructive. Is this episode 206? This is 206? That's great. Can you believe it? That's cool. Yeah, so speaking of constructive criticism, I saw a blog post that you wrote the other day and I thought it was really timely and I was like, "This is interesting and I want to ask publicly your take on this, the Giving Tuesday." Yeah. Giving... Is it good? Is it giving back Tuesday or giving Tuesday? Giving Tuesday. I think it started in 2012. It's sort of like Black Friday happened forever and then Cyber Monday came on the scene, right? We were all excited about that because we didn't have to get in line at 5am. And then somebody said, "Well, what if we do something for whatever's left over in their wallet for charities on Giving Tuesday." And at the time, we were all like, "Yes." Like this is the answer to all of our problems is we'll just have one day where we spam people every hour. You know, the thermometer went from 23 minutes left. That's right. That's right. We've raised two grand. Now, we've raised 2500. And it's just sort of like, I guess, 13 years later, like what have we actually done? Because what happens is, literally the day before, we have this conversation on Slack where we're like, "Are we going to do anything tomorrow? Should we do some emails?" Without failure, you get a whole bunch of unsubscribe from your mailing list because people are getting dozens of emails from nonprofits. If you've ever given somebody a dollar, you're going to hear from them that day. There's... It's just super nuanced. And I'm not... The post was not meant to say that it was a bad idea. I think it was a good idea. I think it's just a realization that it may not be for everybody. And we see this all the time, right? You look in an organization like stand up to cancer or any other, you know, come in or American cancer society. Now we're really getting into my early like cancer, like anger days. All these nonprofits that have these super huge marketing budgets, how do you compete with that? Right. If you're seeing ads all day giving Tuesday on Instagram about giving to breast cancer, where does testicular cancer land in that? Well, there's a whole business of just the business of cancer, which is kind of disgusting in a sense. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of like the dark web of the cancer world where it's like, you know, people want the cure, but what happens to the industry? Do you think there's a cure in our future? Oh, I don't know. I'm probably the least qualified to answer that. I think that there are steps you can take as an individual, right? I know people who eat kale every day and, you know, they don't take the New York City subway, you know, and they just, you know, do things to avoid, like environmental talks. Yeah. I think you can't outrun genetics, whatever that means in the case of cancer, and in certain cases, you can't run, you know, you can't outrun environmental factors. I grew up in part of Long Island where one time- Was it the carcinogenic, like kind of like here, carcinogenic coast? There's like parts of it. So there was a town in Long Island. So I grew up in Iceland as West isopids. I don't know if it's still true, but at one point in time, it probably is still true. It was like a very dense population of breast cancer. And they looked back and there was some, I'm going to totally butcher this explanation, but there was a company there that was burning tires or dumping chemicals into the ground. And it just became hard to ignore the fact that this industrial company existed. And now decades later, all these people are getting diagnosed with cancer. So everything's anecdotal at best. You know, the people who are much smarter than me working in the research side of things can probably answer you. You have such a big part of education and just letting the public know. If Steve doesn't have anything else, I have a couple of rapid fire. Well, so you're obviously a very busy guy. You got all these things going on. What do you do to take care of yourself? What do you do for you on a daily basis? Well, I'm overweight. I'm recently not drinking alcohol, so that's a good thing. You're really fun then, huh? Yeah. Well, I feel like a byproduct of the nonprofit world is like Galas or, you know, charitable dinners. And you kind of look back and you're like, whoa, that's how that happened to you. Without getting too personal about it, but I think you're either built for it or you're not. And, you know, we would joke my old CEO, Matt Zachary and I and I'd say, you know, I'm kind of dead inside. Right. So the sensitivity to a lot of this, like, like the continued fire hose of like trauma. Emotions? Yeah. I felt like at a young age, it's all, it all kind of goes back to the pharmacy, which people tease me about. You know, it's just kind of early exposure and then continued exposure. I totally get that with both my boys who are in med school, I mean, not med school, but in the medical industry. Yeah. So you're talking about the trauma dump. Yeah. I mean, decompressing for me is like the kids go to bed. My wife goes to bed, maybe I get an hour of Xbox or, you know, but I feel like I'm also like productivity based. So like just doing AI things late at night, putting out a blog post about giving Tuesdays. We may need to go to New Orleans and go to the balcony. Yeah. I need a vacation. Yeah. I see you're wearing an aura ring. I am. I am. Are you, is that kind of new for you? No. I've had this maybe 12 to 18 months. My wife and I compare sleep scores. Yeah. That's why she's got a lot more responsibilities throughout the night than I do because of the, you know, our son who is about a year and a half old. What are you? Are you going to take up extra sizing and now that you've given up alcohol, you never, you never know. This could be a turn. I don't know why you and Michelle are French. She, I don't think she exercises at all. Grace. Grace. Yeah. My wife just did. I have to give my wife Lauren a shout out. She just did the Iraq's competition. I heard of it. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like CrossFit plus running. Yeah. It's hard. Of course. She did the one in Dallas two or three weeks ago and then she signed up for the Vegas one in the spring. Good for her. Yeah. No, she's, but also, and she's going to, if she listens. If she gets to this far, thank you. She's also somebody and her, her brothers are the same way where it's like they could, they could, you know, have a long weekend of eating and drinking and then they have an eight pack on Monday with a couple of sit-ups. Hate people like that. Yeah. Yeah. So we're just built different. Yeah. Kenny and I, we're going to go to, we're going to go to New Orleans together. That's right. Go hang out together. Yeah, fresh room to drink. Hang out. No, no, no. We don't have to drink. We're just going to eat some poor boys and boys. We're going to, we're going to go to clover grill. Yeah. Get some greasy hamburgers. Well, speaking of food, part of my rapid fire is what is your favorite New York food that you miss? Yeah. So I will say I don't miss anything about New York in general. Like I, I feel like I moved and I left it and it's like a museum, right? Like if I go back, it'll be there. It'll be slightly different because my perspective will have changed. And I was listening to episode 204, I'm going to butcher his name. Jackson. Jackson. Yeah. He kind of like punctuated it by saying, and I want to move to New York City. He has this romantic view. And I was like, oh, no, I was like, buddy, you've made it to the destinations. This is paradise. Yeah. Like you, don't you that? There's a Chinese food place called Wohop. Oh, my gosh. It's my favorite place in New York. Yeah, you gotta go down. You gotta wait. And it's like, they're all talking about you. Here's the backstory. And it all comes back to dad for some reason. The pharmacy I worked in was closed on Sundays. And we would take the train in every Sunday morning and they would open around 10 or so. And we'd be sitting there eating breakfast essentially at the Chinese food place. And then we would walk all the way back to Midtown to take the train home. That's it. Look, Steve, that's it. You go down the sketchy alley. Yeah. And there's only like 10 tables. Yeah. Probably can fit about 40 people. Yeah. You know what? I think I've been there. I think Grace and I ate there. You would know. It's the best place. I think Grace and I ate there. I have to look and see if I can do research. I'm like in my social circles, I'm associated with that. People will send me a picture when they're there. I ate there last. Oh, beginning of the show. Didn't I go to New York? I can't. I can't keep track of all your trips. That's where I went. It was to Wolfhawks. I love it. Yeah. So that's definitely number one. Okay. So me too. Who were worst drivers? East Coast or Austin? Well, now we're sub blended in Austin. It's kind of hard to tell. True. I think New York is like a shared brain when you're on the road. And everyone kind of understands what has to happen. And even irrespective of like a yellow or a red light, like you're just going to figure it out. And then the other people know it's their turn to go. Yeah. I think in Austin you have people who make very knee jerk decisions, you know, and especially now in 71, we've got all these like yellow bumps in the middle. I'm waiting to see a cargo airborne. It's going to happen. It'll happen. It'll happen. One thing every man should know about testicular cancer, oh, that they are at risk for it. Oh, what is one thing every woman should know about testicular cancer? That they're man and their life is at risk for it. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. And my last question. How do you hope your kids describe you one day? Well, he was busy. No. You know, I had a great childhood. My parents are great people and I think that obviously as a their child, I hopefully took the best from both. Yeah. Just for me, legacy is currency, right? And I think working in a nonprofit world, making, you know, $50,000 living in Brooklyn, trying to like make rent happen every month, you know, it's not, you don't have to be entrepreneurial out of the gate. And I think my career path, which we've discussed has allowed me to kind of figure things out as I progressed and where, you know, what balanced my values with being a capitalist. Well, what's next for you? Twenty-five more AI books. No, it's funny because in moments of downtime, I'll go on chat with you, Peter Claude and I'll say, you know, what else should I write about? And it's, you know, the answers are funny. If you get deep enough with these things and I don't want to sound like I'm, you know, not talking to humans either, but if you get deep enough with your different programs, you know, they tend to know a lot about you and especially when you're, you know, like people like us who have a bit of a non-line component to our personalities, you know, it's like, well, you did that thing in 2021, do you want to talk about that? Yeah. That's true. It's actually scary some of the stuff that is brought up. Do you, are you one of those people that makes goals for 2026? No. We have a annual trip to Aruba, which is much fancier than I ever aspired to be. My wife's family would go down there and when we, you know, started dating and things got serious. She said, "Hey, by the way, every February we got Aruba." And then, you know, several lines of COVID, mortgage rates, you know, travel. We wound up picking up a time share down there for our family, so now we've got two of them that we can utilize. That's sort of my annual reset. Okay. It's not like a January one. Yeah. You know, I'm going to go to the gym. Uh-huh. So, yeah, we'll see what-- Because when you got so much going on, sometimes you're so, so much in the weeds, you need to step back a little bit and go, okay, what am I working on? That's really important that I need to continue to do and maybe I need to let that go and add this in. Yeah. I will say the, perhaps the luckiest I've been is to find people who make things happen in my life, uh, founders and other visionaries. I mean, I, I have, I have a vision, but I'm also, I, I'm inclined to be the tactical side of things. Yeah. And I feel like there's no short supply of opportunity to just do something new. Yeah. Well, good for you. I, Kenny, I've really enjoyed this show. I told me that, that I would enjoy talking to you and I've, I really, really have and learned a lot and I wish you the best of luck with that. I'm going to say the same thing, yeah, foundation and everything else you're doing. Next time you meet a stranger on a balcony on Bourbon Street, with a pound of beads. Just dangle the beads. You'll make some friends. Dangle the beads there. I appreciate it. And the counterpoint is there are also a lot of people on Bourbon Street to avoid so be careful. That's true. That's true. That's true. Well, thanks for coming in. Thank you so much, Kenny. Find your joy at Jovi Bell Terra. Life is better here. From rodeo clowns, teachers or doctors and everyone in between, Texans have one thing. Staying in common, hard work, deserves smart banking. At South Star Bank, whether you're buying your first home, building a dream ranch or just managing daily finances, our 16 branches across Central Texas are here for you. South Star Bank, trusted by professionals, backed by tradition and built for Texas. Southstarbank.com, member of FDIC and equal housing lender in MLS 41064. 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