Ep. 1846 - The New "Primetime" Movie Is Evil Propaganda. Here's Why Hollywood Resents The Truth.

Chris Hansen's show to catch a predator went off the air in 2007, nearly two decades ago. It was never replaced or rebooted for a primetime audience. Outside of a fringe syndicated show, the entire concept disappeared from major networks afterward. Now the idea, setting up a decoy house, wiring it with cameras and luring predators in size that could be exposed and arrested, went from extremely profitable to verboten, basically overnight. If you want to watch a similar show today, you either need to subscribe to a niche streaming service like True Blue or follow journalist like Alex Rosen, who, while they do brave and important work, have a tenth of the budget and a tenth of the viewership and an even smaller portion of the cultural impact of the old NBC production. And that's remarkable when you think about it. At its peak, to catch a predator was pulling in more than seven million viewers an episode on average with some episodes approaching 11 million viewers. Its ratings were consistently high, and then after a phony scandal that we'll discuss in a moment, to catch a predator was abruptly canceled, much like cops was during the BLM craze. But it was not forgotten, especially in the entertainment industry. The show left, apparently, a lasting impression among Hollywood elites. A bit of a grudge, really, for reasons you could probably imagine. They never forgave Chris Hansen for making the show. To catch a predator was the closest the industry came to a Harvey Weinstein moment for the worst predators of all the ones who target children. And that's why just the past two years there have been two big budget productions that have been designed from the ground up to destroy Chris Hansen's legacy and the reputation of his show, which again has not been on the air in nearly 20 years. The first hit job was a production streaming on Paramount Plus called Predators. It's a documentary. And the more recent one, which is out now in theaters, is the Robert Pattinson Thriller called Primetime, which is directed by a guy named Lance Oppenheim. Now, admittedly, from a purely strategic perspective, you do have to wonder why are they doing this now? I mean, why would Hollywood and an up and coming director like Lance Oppenheim suddenly be so transfixed by Chris Hansen, who's now 67 years old and far removed from any kind of mainstream celebrity or influence? Why they still hell-bent on portraying him as a villain along with everyone else who's followed in his footsteps? I mean, the timing seems almost random, even if you know why these people despise him. I have some theories about what's going on here, but first I want to talk at some length about these two productions, these two films. We're going to start with Primetime, which is a truly a breathtaking film in terms of its abject dishonesty. In the case you haven't seen it, here's part of the most recent trailer to give you an idea of how they're portraying Chris Hansen watch. Don't you ever just want to believe them? Maybe what I do is a little worse. This could be our greatest segment, yeah? We're going to him. He'll do that. They come to us. I don't understand what I'm doing here. What you're doing is more than acting. They're cleansing the world of an ancient evil. Let's catch us in front of him. I don't know if you permission to do this. You have no plan. I have to put him on television. You're going to be so proud of me. I don't want to be bad person. We're a definition of bad, and my definition of bad is our pastly definition. What would have happened? By the way, that shot of him, if you're watching the video podcast, the shot of him, shirtless, hunched over is right out of the Joker film with Joaquin Phoenix. They're not exactly being subtle about how they're portraying Chris Hansen in this movie. It was obvious from the trailer that the film would present Hansen as a tortured, unstable figure, which is why he's staring ahead into psychedelic, monochromatic red lighting at one point as if he's having a mental breakdown. Even jokes with a guy on the plane about how he enjoys torturing predators rather than simply killing them. He's screaming. He's looking insane. He's out in the rain. He got the Joker shot. He has a savior complex. He's freaking out his wife, and all this comes through in a two minute long trailer. So what's the message of the actual film, which you might be interested in Iowa as I was in this question? Because by itself, the trailer made no sense. And as far as I knew, Hansen wasn't known to be a lunatic. He certainly didn't come across on his show as someone who was prone to emotional outbursts or even hostility. Even when he was objectively, inobjectively dangerous situation, staging face-to-face meetings with complete strangers who were in the process of committing serious crimes against children, he was also, he was always very calm, actually. To write some contrast with the trailer, you just saw. So here's an example of one of his sting operations, just to refresh your memory. This is from Riverside, California. And this is one of the shows where he provides commentary from the studio after the fact, which he didn't always do. I think this is early on in the show. This is how they did it, but here it is. Watch. I really like the contrast. I mean, look at me. I'm so dirty. I know. Well, I tell you what's dirty. Is this conversation? You know what? Yeah, I know. I really should not have done this. I felt absolutely. Yes, don't take my blank out of your mouth till I'm done. I know. Look, if somebody's telling me in the interview that, you know, they've got an addiction or a compulsion that led them to this situation, you have to say, look, you're an adult, having recognized that. Perhaps you should have done something about it before you ended up walking into this house. Yeah, I was not famous. He had about a 13 year old for God's sake, you know, that it's not right to do everything you ever have to guys all over you. It's just like I said, fantasy type. What would you do with two? Yeah, it's just one to here. And now, do you know that it's illegal to have a parent? No, I didn't know that it was illegal. The sandwich kind of matured. I did not know that. So he doesn't exactly come across like a raving lunatic here. And all of the clips from the show are like this. But this footage in particular is important because it shows why Hollywood really truly hated this show. It wasn't just that he exposed predators, which of course bothers the predators in Hollywood, although that was a very big part of it. But he was also rejecting the entire mental health victimization framework that's now so fundamental to the left's ideology, to an audience of millions of people in prime time. He was explicitly saying that even if you have some mental health diagnosis or an addiction or whatever, it does not give you a license to commit unspeakable acts of evil. Sorry about your sob story, but that's your problem. There's a limit to what society has to tolerate. Once you start victimizing the rest of society, once you start victimizing other people, especially children, then there's no longer any room for sympathy. Your sob story is then irrelevant. At a certain point, people have to be responsible for their own actions. Now, if this approach had taken hold in America, it goes without saying that, for example, Lindsey Clancy would have been convicted of first degree murder in about five seconds. Her case would not have made the national news or at least it would not have been a national controversy, because a controversy requires two coherent and opposing sides. But we would have recognized that there's only one coherent side to the Clancy case. She's evil scum and deserves the gas chamber. That's all there is to it. Or all there should have been, or would have been to it. And more to the point, if Chris Hansen's position had gone mainstream, there's a chance that violent black criminals would actually have to serve meaningful prison sentences instead of getting released immediately, so they can stab a random white woman on the train or sucker punch a random white woman walking down the sidewalk or stab police officers or mow down a random white guy running in the street or rip off a random convenience store in Minneapolis before resisting arrest. Instead, under the left's ethos, all of these criminals were victims of circumstance, of systemic racism and oppression, and therefore none of them are ever held accountable for anything. This is the way it goes. If you have a sob, if you're in a preferred demographic and you have a sob story, then you get off scot free. But the catch predator rejected the whole sob story thing entirely. The assumption going in with the show is that you're responsible for your own actions. You initiated this conversation with someone you thought was a child. You walked into this house thinking you were going to meet a child. And so that's on you. You know, you put one foot in front of the other and you walk through the door and that's on you. So in the other hand, you know, Hanson in a very rational and calm manner told viewers directly and unapologetically that some crimes simply cannot be excused. Along with the investigators he was working with, he documented all of his work exhaustively. There was never any allegation that he fabricated evidence or provided any kind of illicit incentive for any of these predators to show up to his decoy house or was misrepresenting why they were really there or anything like that. So where exactly was the movie primetime getting this idea that Chris Hansen was losing his mind while he was producing to catch a predator. Why are there these psychedelic monochromatic red lights swirling around his head in the trailer? Why is he acting like a nutcase in the rain? Why are they making him look literally like the Joker? Lance Oppenheim provides two answers to these questions and both of his answers are total fiction to the point that Chris Hansen should sue the filmmakers and the studio for defamation. I mean, this is character assassination to an unbelievable degree. For starters, they claim that Hansen was worried about his ratings going down and he was under a lot of pressure as a result. That's clearly not true. The show was always wildly popular throughout its entire run. And more egregiously, in no uncertain terms, the film also asserts that Hansen was losing his mind because he was supposedly worried about an upcoming tabloid article, which was going to expose the fact that he was having an affair. So we're told that the journalist was extremely rattled by the prospect of his infidelity coming to light. And we're told that this caused immense strain in his marriage once his wife learned that the tabloid article was imminent. There's even a scene where Hansen's producer watching him on air states he's off or something to that effect, illustrating that he's rattled by the reporting on his affair and that it's affecting his work. And then at the film's climatic moment, when Hansen's team is about to bust an assistant district attorney by going to his house, Hansen is still fielding calls from his wife about his infidelity. The implication, which is laid on really thick, is that Hansen has become so deranged that he's now hunting down the predators at their own homes as opposed to lowering them to decoy houses. And we're told that Hansen is now throwing caution to the wind and ignoring protocol. All because are at least, in part because he's furious about the reporting on this affair. Well, the problem here other than the fact that, you know, there's no moral equivalence whatsoever, obviously between Hansen's behavior and the predators as much as the film would like to pretend otherwise. But the problem is that the timeline is completely off. Okay, Hansen did not even meet this other woman until 2011, which is several years after his show went off the air. In other words, there was no connection between Hansen's affair and his behavior on the show on set or off. Never mind the fact that again, as much as I condemn adultery, there is no comparison between child predators on one hand and a man in a sexual relationship with an adult woman. I mean, frankly, I don't care how many mistresses Hansen had. I mean, it's bad. He shouldn't have been doing that. But the work he was doing and exposing these predators was still important noble work. And in any event, there was certainly no connection between Hansen's affair and the raid on the district attorney's house in 2006. So the whole premise, the whole sort of theory behind the film that Hansen was losing his mind at the height of his popularity because his dark secret for being exposed is completely unequivocally wrong. And before anyone says, oh, while they're taking poetic license, they're telling a story, yeah, well, they're telling a story about an actual guy who's currently living. It's not like this, this is a, you know, this is a historical figure from 200 years ago. This is a guy's, this is about currently alive people. And they're inventing details that aren't true. And they're doing it deliberately, too. You know, there's a point to this deception. They're trying to sell a narrative that Hansen committed some egregious crime by taking his production crew and going to the home of assistant district attorney Bill Conrad in Terrell, Texas. They had already established that Conrad was a predator with chat logs, but he was refusing to come to the decoy house. So the police who determined that he had already committed a crime with his chats, which he did decided to go rest him at his home, which police often do, by the way, if you commit a crime, they'll go to your house to arrest you, you know, they'll often do that. It's not that surprising. And then here's what happened next. This is from a date line broadcast in 2006. Watch Murphy police chief Billy Myrick and his team make a plan to arrest assistant district attorney Bill Conrad. He was caught chatting online with a perverted justice decoy posing as a 13 year old boy. We're the ones that are supposed to be setting the standards and making examples out of things and enforcing the law, and he's not doing that. Just how graphic were the prosecutor's conversations? Remember, he pretended to be this 19 year old. In his chat with the perverted justice decoy, he talked about wanting to watch the boy masturbate and holding each other and feeling all over. He sent pornographic pictures. Maybe we could take some pictures of ourselves. He also had a phone conversation with this decoy on which he asked if they were going to have sex and agreed to bring condoms. He wants me to call him back. But for some reason, Conrad abruptly stopped chatting and perverted justice discovered he deleted his MySpace page. Although he was invited by the decoy, the DA never showed up at our undercover house, a sergeant who's known the prosecutor for more than 20 years knocks on the door. We really hoped, as they knocked on the door, that Mr. Conrad would peer out through the people, through a window, whatever, and he would see a face that he would recognize and that he would easily open the door and talk, and then we could approach at that time and say, this is why we're here. But Conrad never comes to the door. The police, however, can tell that he's inside. They can see a TV and a computer are both on. So it appeared as though someone was right there just a short while ago. Maybe watching television and working for the computer at the same time. Since police suspect he's inside, refusing to answer the door, the terror police call for backup. We're on the phone now calling the type team out to get him in line. Okay. We're apparently going to have a little bit of waiting period because the officers line up in formation and head to the back of the house. Then we hear a faint crack. The officers force their way in. For almost five minutes, we don't see or hear anything. Then Lieutenant Adana Barber of the Murphy police department comes out and tells us what happened. As they made entry, they confronted the suspect. I believe he's in the hallway and he told them he wasn't going to hurt them. And then shot himself. And he had a pistol in his hand. Small caliber. It was a devastating tragedy. A shock to all of us when the 56-year-old, a man who has prosecuted criminals for more than two decades, shot himself. Okay, so no rational person that you would certainly one that you would ever trust around your children can watch that and feel any sympathy for the predator here. Okay, there's no universe in which Chris Hansen or NBC or the police did anything wrong. This was not a case where they were going after some random schizophrenic homeless guy who had no idea what he was writing or whatever, you know, it was hallucinating. This was precisely the kind of case that all reasonable people would agree is a matter of public interest. They caught a public official, a prosecutor, no less, engaging in serious criminal behavior. Okay, against children. You can't have a predator working in the DA's office. I mean, this is obvious. So obviously, they were correct to go to his home and execute the search warrant. What else were they supposed to do? I mean, is the idea that like because he was trying to meet children online, but then he didn't show up. And so what are you supposed to say? Okay, well, never mind. He didn't come. So, you know, no harm, no foul. Just go about your job as a DA. We'll pretend that never happened. No, to be attempting to solicit minors in the first place online is already a crime. So, and a very serious one. And at that point, if the prosecutor chooses to, you know, off himself as he did, rather than face accountability for his actions, that's his problem. Now, it's not Chris Hansen's fault. Personally, I have no sympathy for the guy, and neither should you. And if you do have sympathy for him, I wouldn't go admitting that out loud because it says something about you. He was a total scumbag and he was a coward and he was selfish and he died in the most cowardly and selfish way of person candy. You know, the suicide is just one more mark against him, not against Chris Hansen. It's just underscoring what a scumbag he was. But a child predator kills himself and now we're supposed to feel sorry for him. No, that's you cowardly avoiding. And especially again, you're as Chris Hansen puts out, he's a prosecutor. So, he's, you know, spent 20 years putting other people in prison for the crimes they committed. And the moment that it's time for him to face the music, as he has, you know, forced all these other people to face the music, he'd rather just shoot himself. Total coward, total scumb, that's it. Doesn't even deserve it. You know, he should be just throwing a pit, don't even give him a gravestone, okay? That's what he deserves. And you have to be very morally confused to come to any other conclusion. That's especially true because, as Chris Anson notes, the DA was not simply guilty of soliciting a minor on the internet, although by itself, that should be a death penalty offense. Detectives who searched the DA's computer went on to find evidence of, you know, unsurprisingly, other more serious crimes as well. Watch. - So we're in the street. They go in, break down the door, it doesn't answer. And they get to the hallway and he's got a pistol. Pointed his head, "Guys, I'm not gonna hurt you." And he shoots himself in the head, he later dies. There's a helicopter in the back here, and it's horrible. You never want to see anybody do that under any circumstances. And it's jarring, and it's dark, and it's sad for a lot of reasons. But why did he do it? You know, ultimately, his sister sued NBC for millions and millions of dollars. The case was settled. - Right. - For a lot of different reasons. A settlement comes out of insurance policy. You go to trial, which I'm confident we would have won. It comes out of the news budget. It ties up months and months of my time. I'm sad for the sister, I truly am. But the reason more likely than him worried about date line being involved was that ultimately when they did the forensic examination of his laptop, they found multiple images of child porn. And in a recent episode of my podcast, predators I've caught with Chris Hanson, we learned from one of the police officers who then was working for Murphy. That also what was found on that computer was evidence that helped convict Conrad's boss, the DA of that county, for financial mismanagement of the office and theft of money. He ended up doing federal time. He's the one who got on TV and criticized everybody involved in the investigation. And he then goes to federal prison. Okay, so at this DA's office, you have a guy who's committing financial crimes fraud. You have a fraudster and you also have this child predator who not only was trying to meet a child, but had child pornography on his computer. Again, that was guaranteed to be the case. And that's a massive scandal that all came to light thanks to Chris Hanson. And yet he's the bad guy. What? Now, prime time in Lance Obinheim, they never bothered to mention the other crimes of this DA committed for the same reason they spend the entire movie lying about Hanson's motivations. Hollywood's goal is transparent. They want to make it seem like Hanson was behaving recklessly when he investigated this DA. So they made up a fake motive, his affair, which didn't actually happen for several years. And his allegedly declining ratings, which were actually very good. The point is to make sure that no one else investigates powerful people who are engaging in behavior like this. If you do, if you bring down somebody important, they will defame you. They'll make multiple big budget movies in which they lie about you. Oh, and as you just heard, it's also sue you as well. Then that clip, Hanson mentions the settlement that NBC reached over this case, which was truly one of the low points in this country's modern history. To be very clear about what happened, this scumbag worthless DA, who the world is better now that he's dead, although I'd prefer if he was able to go to prison or better yet executed. But there's no reason to grieve the fact that he's no longer on earth. It's better that he's dead. I'm glad he's dead. But he commits multiple serious felonies involving children. He then shoots himself instead of facing the consequences of his own actions because he's cowardly scumbed. And then the DA's family decides to sue for $100 million. And in the end, she extracts a massive settlement from NBC in the process. We can assume it was tens of millions of dollars easily. Although I don't think we know the exact amount. So she got enormously wealthy because her brother was the absolute scum of the earth. And the people who expose her brother, meanwhile, have to shut down their show and pay millions of dollars. I mean, the more you think about this case, the more you'll genuinely feel like you're losing your mind. You know, you'd feel like they patray Chris Hanson in the movie, like you're going insane. I mean, it's easily one of the greatest miscarriages of justice from a legal perspective in the history of television. What happened is that a Clinton appointed judge named Denny Chen refused to dismiss the law. So that in the grounds that NBC might have applied some kind of indirect pressure on the police to bring a SWAT team to arrest the DA, which even if they had so what, okay? Now the idea is that the police wanted to put on a show for the cameras, you know, that's the claim. And in doing so, they somehow became responsible for this guy shooting himself. This is from an article that CBS published at the time, quote, "US District Judge Denny Chen said a jury might conclude that the network crossed the line from responsible journalism to irresponsible and reckless intrusion into law enforcement and the lawsuit Patricia Conrad said NBC steamrolled police to arrest her brother after telling police he failed to show up at a sting operation 35 miles away. Chen said the lawsuit contained sufficient facts to make it plausible that the suicide was foreseeable. That police had a duty to protect Conrad from killing himself that the officers NBC acted with deliberate indifference. In his ruling, Chen said that the network placed itself squarely in the middle of a police operation, pushing the police to engage in tactics that were unnecessary and unwise, solely to generate more dramatic footage for a television show. Chen wrote that a reasonable jury could find there was no legitimate law enforcement need for a heavily armed SWAT team to strike a 56-year-old prosecutor from his home when he was not accused of any actual violence that was not believed to have a gun. A reasonable jury could find that by doing so, NBC created a substantial risk of suicide or other harm and that it engaged in conduct so outrageous and extreme that no civilized society should tolerate it." Chen said in her lawsuit Patricia Conrad claims a police officer at the scene of the shooting told a date line producer, "That'll make good TV." Well, we just watched the relevant part of the date line episode. As you saw at first, the police did not bring a SWAT team to arrest the DA that only became necessary when he refused to come out of the house, creating a barricade situation. At that point, they had reason to believe that if they walked into the house without a ballistic shield and body armor, they might get shot because this guy was clearly refusing to comply with their commands to exit the house. And secondly, as Hanson pointed out, arresting him at his home was actually seen as the moderate humane option because the alternative would be to make a big show of arresting him at the DA's office, which would have humiliated him even more and he would have deserved it. And then he'd have even more reason to kill himself if we're taking their reasoning at face value. And keep in mind what you're, what we, the claim that they're not making here, okay? No one is even pretending that this guy was falsely accused. In fact, no one's pretending that any of these guys were falsely accused. I mean, the way that you would have a legitimate, serious critique of the show is if they claimed that someone was trying to meet a child and they were just completely wrong, they got the wrong guy. Okay, someone showed up at the house because they're delivering a pizza. And next thing you know, their face is being broadcast all over NBC as a child predator. And then that guy goes home and kills himself out of shame from being falsely accused of something he never did. Okay, well now you have a case. That didn't happen though. It didn't happen in this case. This guy was a child predator. And they're not even pretending that he wasn't. So there is no case, so there shouldn't be. But most importantly, even if you buy into all these arguments and even if you believe that a cop said, you know, that'll make good TV. The logic still falls apart when you realize that the presence of a SWAT team and the statements of the officers after the fact doesn't have any logical relationship to the question of whether or not someone should or will kill himself. I mean, these are two totally unrelated concepts. If NBC wants more dramatic footage and the cops wanna look really badass with their SWAT vans, then at most, you can accuse them of being what, you know, immature or something. You could throw around the word unprofessional if you wanted to, but it makes no sense to say that the police shouldn't bring a SWAT team to a criminal's house on the grounds that it might freak the suspect out and make him shoot himself. And by the way, the fact that he shot himself is, if anything, after the fact justification for bringing the SWAT team, he did have a gun and he was on the verge of doing something desperate and violent. And we know that because he shot himself with a gun. I don't know how you could say that, if a guy, you know, refuses to leave and it pulls out a gun and shoots himself, that that somehow proves that you didn't need to have a SWAT team there. Proves that you should have it. It was good you had a SWAT team. So the whole thing is absurd on its face. I mean, the reason this prosecutor was suicidal had nothing to do with NBC or the SWAT team had to do with the fact that he had just been exposed as a predator and his entire life and career, which depended on his reputation, were about to fall apart solely because of his own crimes and depravity. That's the reason he shot himself. He was probably thinking himself, "Oh no, I'm about to go to jail." Okay, prosecutors in jail don't fare very well. Child predators in jail don't fare well. What's gonna happen to me, you know, checking both of those boxes. That's what he was thinking to himself. And he made the decision that he's made and he's solely responsible for that decision. Even if the police had gotten on the bullhorn and mocked him for being a disgusting degenerate pervert, which they didn't do, but I wouldn't care if they did, they still would not be liable in any way for the decisions that he made. And neither would NBC or Chris Hanson, you know, for the simple reason that people are responsible for their own actions. That's kind of the central message of to catch a predator. And that's why these people hate that show so much. And the point of films like Primetime is to defame and destroy anyone who spreads that message. There's a host of other fabricated details in this film as well, including the idea that Hanson's producer demanded that the SWAT officers outfit their rifles with cameras for the raid on the DA, which apparently didn't happen. There's a scene where a cop who's organizing the raid says something like, let's get this Democrat DA or something, which makes it seem like a political operation. Again, that didn't happen. They also have one of the decoy actors on the phone with the DA during the raid where he sings a song from a musical rent over the phone to the DA, which is also totally made up. In the film, the raid happens at night during a storm when in reality, it took place and brought daylight. It's all designed to make the operation look as unprofessional and cruel and just sort of nefarious as possible. And obviously, the fact that they have to lie constantly about what actually happened is a pretty big clue that the operation was completely legitimate. It's also a sign that the demons who made this movie, very clearly, are sympathetic to some of the worst people in society. There were many other malicious fabrications throughout the film, for example, in the real show, Hanson and NBC partnered with a group called Proverted Justice, which was staffed by people who were committed to the mission. But the film portrays Hanson as a cunning trickster who winds and dines the decoy and inflates his ego and promises and they'll be a real actor one day. Even when the decoy has to endure all kinds of psychological trauma as a result of the show. Again, that's all fabricated. There's a ridiculous scene where after Chris Hanson is told by NBC president Jeff Zucker, who bizarrely plays himself in the film, tells that they'll be moving to prime time, which also didn't happen since the show was always in prime time. Hanson goes home and forces his children to watch an episode of his show while he brags to them about about his new time slot, even as the kids are visibly disinterested in the whole thing. And none of that happened. And not only that in the scene, he shows his children it's extremely graphic and inappropriate. So they're portraying Hanson as this kind of weirdo who doesn't care about his own children's innocence and to try to make him a hypocrite here. And it's all totally made up. Hanson spoke specifically about these scenes in a recent interview. Watch. The scenes of him dealing with stone Phillips, for instance, ridiculous never happened. The scenes of him dealing with Jeff Zucker, the head of NBC at sometimes during this investigations period never happened. Zucker plays himself, by the way, in the movie. But the conversation that the real Jeff Zucker being portrayed by Jeff Zucker has with Robert Pattinson playing Chris Hanson never happened, never happened at all honesty. What bothered me most was it portrayed me as an aloof detached father to my sons, which is so far from reality. And for them to do that really is just a cheap shot with no entertainment, literary or benefit to any viewer or society. It's just mean spirited, untrue and unworthy of the viewer's time. And they didn't want to hear that Chris Hanson is a good guy. They didn't want to hear that this work is important. This director had a dark image of what he wanted to do. He wanted to create a horror like film with interesting photography. And didn't want to hear anything else. Didn't want to have his mind polluted by anything positive that this actually achieved over the last 22 years. I've had to change the way you look at Hollywood. It does. Now the way the film is structured for about the first half, Hanson is portrayed as this ratings obsessed narcissist. And then once his affair is exposed and his ratings supposedly begin to slip, he convinces himself that he's really on some sort of spiritual quest to rid the world of evil. There's a scene where Pattinson overacts in a flamboyant fashion, which you can see here. And they kind of play it for laughs. Again, the point is to portray him as a highly unstable, unsympathetic, kind of mentally deluded figure. But if you actually watch the show, Chris Hanson made, you'll find that over and over again. He demonstrates extraordinary restraint. Even in some very difficult circumstances, here's one of them much. Yeah, looks like he's going to park on the street. Can you hear me, Doug? He gets out and goes to the rear passenger side. We think maybe he's going to get beer, pizza, stuff that we see these guys bring all the time. Instead, he grabs the hand of his five-year-old son and leads him out of the car and up the driveway. And I hear frags saying, "Oh, no. He brought his son with him. He's got his child with him." Apparently, the mother of the child, his wife was working that day. He was in charge of the child and figured he'd just bring him along. And there was a collective gas that you could hear in the house. He's going up to the front door and he has his child with him. He's going on in the back. His sword doesn't open. Okay. Okay. He's one of these guys who had a very short online chat, but then on the phone is graphic about what he wants to do. And he has his conversation with Del, who is supposedly the 14-year-old boy. Making the turn, coming in the back door, coming through, walking into the room, all around. And so I'm thinking, all right, how do I handle this? And so he comes in. He's got the kid by the hand. I walk out and he's startled. I gotta tell you something. And I'm going to tell you just straight up right now. I'm Chris Hansen with Davidline NBC. We're doing a story on adults getting children. And since you have your child here, I'm not going to pursue this. But I think you know what you were doing here, don't you? Take a boy out to lunch you met on the internet. My point is because your child is here. I think it'd be best if you just want to have him left. Yeah. Of course, Frag is talking to the police saying, you know, this has got to be a different sort of arrest. Rob, we're going to send this guy out. We're not in the area because you got his kid. And gently as the female officer swooped him up, he still had to see his father get arrested. Please give me my son, please. Now, keep in mind that this is the this is the kind of thing that they were exposing on this show. And we're supposed to believe that Chris Hansen's the bad guy. I mean, if the only thing the show ever did through all of its seasons, if the only thing it ever did was just to catch that one guy, then it would be worth it. But of course, it did a lot more than that. Now, of course, Hansen were, you know, sort of demonically obsessed with ratings. He could have let this whole thing play out. Right? I mean, he could have milked that situation much more than he did. But he recognized what a horrible situation it was. And he also recognized that there was an action not just a decoy as an actual child here, now in the situation. And so we shut the whole thing down immediately. And most importantly, he helped the police arrest a man who was very clearly a danger to society and to children. And that is heroic. It's kind of thing an honest movie about Hansen would celebrate. Instead, in prime time, they have a scene where they bust some quadriplegic who were supposed to feel sorry for. I mean, it's embarrassingly obvious what these filmmakers were trying to do. It's also strange at a fundamental level, which explains Chris Hansen's reaction, the moment he left the theater, watch. Chris, what did you think of that? I don't know. It was so bizarre and so in and out of reality. It's hard for me to, you know, obviously, I'm not objective because the character is, you know, me, but it was so detached from reality or anything I've ever experienced then or now doing the investigations. I just think it's, I'm not sure what the point of it was. You know, if you want to make the case that Hansen's personal motives aren't entirely pure and that he might have made some mistakes in the process of making the show, you know, fine, I'm open to the possibility that he had, he had unfortunate character traits, you know, everyone does. Most successful people who are obsessively committed to anything are going to have some parts of their character and personality you can criticize comes with the territory. And anybody who works in front of the camera for a living is susceptible to becoming vain and greedy and self-obsessed. Anyone who doesn't [BLANK_AUDIO] front of the camera. There's also susceptible to those things. That's called being a human. But when someone is doing good and noble work, as Chris Hanson was, and then also turning that work into entertainment to be consumed by the masses, yeah, there's a natural tension that arises between those two goals. Right? And trying to do something good, but you're also making it into, quote, unquote, content. Which doesn't make it evil, doesn't make it wrong, but there's a, there's a tension there. There's a tension. And you could make an interesting film that explores that tension. Maybe someone will make that film, but this is not it, because this is just a character assassination. This is turning into a cartoon. And the fact remains that these kinds of predators typically don't get harsh prison sentences if they get sent to prison at all. You know, often they don't suffer any significant consequences, even when men like Alex Rosen managed to prove that they're guilty on camera. So the idea, as you know, one of the criticisms of Hanson's, you hear this a lot, the idea that Hanson and other predator hunters should just let the cops handle everything, doesn't really hold up. That's one of the more plausible criticisms is that when you're not busy trying to make him out to be the joke or a cartoon villain, it's, well, actually, you're, he's interfering actually with our ability to catch these predators because of the, because of everything that comes in, you know, comes with turning it into a television show. That's just not the reality. You know, police departments were not sufficiently addressing this problem, still aren't. That's not entirely their fault. But they weren't doing much of anything in many cases. And even when they do do something and now you have, you catch a predator and you send them to the DA, you send them to the prosecutor and you put them now it's up to the prosecutors and judges and juries and we know how that process falls apart very often. So if Hanson comes in and gives the system an incentive to actually do their jobs, that's a good thing. And, and this is the crucial point, in my mind, if these predators are not going to be thrown in prison for life and most of them will not be, right? Whether they're caught on TV or not, you know, whether they're part of a televised sting operation or if they're caught some other way, the vast majority are not going to be getting lengthy prison sentences. They're just not. Well, then at least if they're on the show, they could be publicly exposed and shamed. And for some of them, like that DA, as we saw, the public exposure alone is a fate worse than death. So again, what Hanson was doing was objectively noble and necessary and just. This is also justice. These people should be publicly exposed, publicly shamed. So that even when they get their slap on the wrist, which is inevitable, that's how it almost always works out. Still, this is immortalized. For as long as you live, millions of people have seen this and have seen you for what you are. We need to discuss fiber. 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And besides of all the attention seeking fame horrors on TV, and there are a lot of them to choose from, it's very revealing that Chris Hanson is the guy, the media and Hollywood have decided to single out. Why him? You know, if you want to, if you want to tell the story about someone who was famous on TV 20 years ago or decades ago and expose that they are really some kind of monster behind the scenes, why is he the guy? As I mentioned earlier, though, it's not just primetime. There's a whole campaign to take down Hanson and everybody like him. The documentary Predators, which is streaming on Paramount Plus, broadens the attack to the whole Predator Hunter genre, which has become popular online in recent years. It also features interviews with Hanson's weepy decoys, two of whom now sympathize with the Predators, saying they couldn't tell the difference between fantasy and reality. The documentary also features some of the more sympathetic interrogation footage of the Predators, I mean, which is sympathetic in compare, like relative to the other stuff that they show, although still not sympathetic at all. But the stuff where they cry and, you know, apologize for what they did, this is footage MBC didn't air and the implications that the show was deliberately offering a dishonest portrayal of the Predators to dehumanize them. Of course, if you actually watch the show, you'll recall plenty of examples where these people would break down, start apologizing. This was often shown on camera. And some of that, some of them are depicted in primetime. The documentary Predators also demonizes police officers for voluntarily wearing cameras during the production of some episodes of to catch Predator, not for the DA raid, but, but other episodes. Even though pretty much every police officer wears cameras today, they're called body cameras and they're universally recognized as a good thing, or at least they were recognized as a good thing universally until the left realized that, you know, often portrays black criminals in an unflattering light. But anyway, there's also this sequence, which tries to make the point that the show was presented as entertainment, rather than serious journalism. Watch. Also tonight, something that has never happened before. Police move in on a surprising suspect, and there are deadly consequences. We all know who he was. Nobody anticipated the kind of outcome that resulted. And I talked to Dateline's Chris Hanson about this tragic turn of events, and this is his reaction to what unfolded that day. Everybody on the scene would have rather have had Bill Conrad tell his side of the story, and if necessary, have his day in court. But that's not the choice he made. No, it certainly wasn't. You make sure you catch Dateline's next Predator investigation Tuesday night. And coming up, oops, she left it again. British second stint rehabs over and done with. So can anyone or anything convince her to get the help? She so desperately needs. But first, Jalen O'Shoegs is the lightest hero to hit NBC's, let's see, let's see, it's coming up next. Good God. So I was supposedly their grave sin over at NBC. Instead of treating this dead predator with the reverence that he supposedly deserved, maybe with a moment of silence. Let's have a moment of silence for the dead scumbag predator shot himself. What a tragedy. Instead of doing that, they previewed a light-hearted Britney Spears segment instead. You know, instead of pretending like they killed this guy who was the absolute scum of the earth, they had the audacity to talk about Britney Spears instead. Can you imagine? Well, actually that's exactly what this guy deserves. This predator killed himself deserves for his death to be treated like a joke, like his life had no meaning. He deserves that. As I said, he should just be buried in a hole somewhere without a gravestone. Now, I'll concede that in some very extreme cases, these predator hunter videos, the ones that spawned from Chris Hanson, can verge into vigilanteism and mob justice, which is bad and irresponsible. Largely because it jeopardizes and undermines the mission of exposing these guys and hopefully having them prosecuted, prosecutors include some of that kind of footage as well. By large, though, these videos are doing the same thing Chris Hanson did. Actually, in some cases, they're producing even more remarkable footage, and just a few weeks ago, Alex Rosen says he identified an alleged predator on the faculty at the University of Houston. He was briefly put in a police car on camera in front of students who were visibly stunned. This is from the local ABC station, quote, "The University of Houston faculty member and graduate student has been suspended after being confronted on campus by a child predator fighting group. UH confirmed the suspension Thursday afternoon after eyewitness news inquired about a kick live stream showing him confessing to buying child porn and messaging minors in a conversation with Alex Rosen on the group poaching predators." Sources told eyewitness news that UH police have turned the case over to HPD, which will investigate the educator for online solicitation of a minor. HPD has yet to return a quest for comment. He's a danger to society, Rosen told eyewitness news. Now, I don't know whether this professor is guilty or innocent. That'll be adjudicated in court of law as it should be, but I do know that it's extremely disturbing to think about the number of teachers who are actually predators. And there's a lot of them. And men like Alex Rosen, who are risking their lives every day to conduct investigations like this, deserve enormous credit for what they do. Instead, documentaries like predators are demonizing them. Now, they actually managed to interview Chris Hansen for this documentary. And as it expect, they tried to make him look, you know, as morally bankrupt as they possibly could, but as even the New Yorker admitted in a recent article, it backfired. Hansen held his ground. This is footage from his interview at the end of the documentary. Watch. People watching this may feel like you have something to answer for. That this genre of TV, you've helped make doesn't deter criminals, or get to the bottom of their crimes. It just helps us enjoy it. And I mean, I mean, documentaries too, so I'm not just coming after you here, but we make TV and we point cameras at something and the trauma continues. What do you say to that? I understand your point and it's a valid point, but you don't know how many times someone has come up to me at a store, at a restaurant on the street and said to me, thank you for what you do. I was victimized by an adult when I was a child, traumatized in a way that has forced me to be in therapy to this very day. And every time you confront a predator, it makes me feel better. I understand people saying, you push it too far. You take a man that is worst and you put him on television, you shame him. I'm okay with that. I'll take that criticism. But for every human being who comes up to me to tell me their story about being a survivor, this particular investigative franchise is for them and I'm okay with that. And if that's my legacy, very comfortable. So, again, he's the exact opposite of how they want to portray him. He can seize those critics of the valid point in a sense. It's true that many people who watch these kinds of shows at some level are often trying to feel better about their own lives. That's true, it's one of the reasons people watch cops and live PD, which is now called on patrol live, post BLM hysteria. Or the reason people watch 600 pounds at 600 pound life about the early fat people on TLC, like all these are intervention about people who have drug problems. That is a motive that a lot of people might have in watching a partial motive and watching some of this kind of stuff. But the question is not, are some members of the audience getting the wrong message here? At least that's not the interesting or important question. You know, if that's the only issue we care about, then nothing would ever get done. You're not responsible for what's going on in the minds and hearts of other people who are viewing what you're doing. The real question is, does the content serve an important and morally righteous purpose? And the answer to that question, in the case of nearly all of these kinds of videos, whether it's Chris Hansen or someone else, is a resounding yes. Now it's anyone's guess as to why Hollywood elites like Lance Oppenheim seemingly out of nowhere are now reviving their campaign against Hansen and the other predator hunters. It could be related to the mass migration of the past decade, which has led to a new wave of abuse, most notably in the UK. Certainly, the left has a vested interest in running cover for this abuse and the people who commit it. Alternatively, this could also be related to the rise of AI content that, you know, these predators are using, maybe we're seeing an effort to normalize this kind of behavior in the eyes of the public by demonizing anyone who objects to it. Fundamentally though, it's clear that these people simply do not believe that these predators are doing anything wrong. You know, for similar reasons that they support abortion, they truly believe that adults should suffer no consequences whatsoever for harming children. Now, we mentioned Lindsey Clancy earlier. It's no coincidence, I don't think, that we have this campaign against Chris Hansen at the same time he got people rallying around Lindsey Clancy. The message from these people is that, you know, it's okay to harm children. If you have a good sob story, if you feel like you had a reason to do it, it's okay to harm children. That is, it's hard for us normal people to wrap our heads around like, how could that be anyone's actual view? How could it be? How could anyone really think that? What they do? That's the unspoken evil underlying the attacks on Chris Hansen and the cottage industry of predator hunters that he helped create. Now, you can mock Pizzagate and the conspiracy theorists all you want, but the fact remains that Hollywood just put out a big budget movie that exists for the sole purpose of defaming and destroying a man who exposed how common this evil is. The day they set up their first thing operation, they had more than a dozen people walk into their decoy house in just two days. In one local area, it was like moths to a flame. And in every neighborhood, Chris Hansen went, it was the same story again and again. Even after a show became a nationwide phenomenon, people knew Chris Hansen might be lurking in the home. Even after it became a meme, before it means even existed. Still, there are people showing up by the hundreds. This is why Hollywood and people like Lance Oppenheim want to ruin Chris Hansen. It's the same reason they want to ruin anyone. You know, he was effective. He still is effective. Then with prime time, like predators before it, they've tried and failed to take him down. All they've accomplished, and this is clear to anyone who watches these films, is to demonstrate that they are deathly afraid of this evil being exposed. And maybe for them, afraid of them being exposed for who they are. They saw what happened to Weinstein and Epstein, and you know, they don't want it to happen to them. The fact that they're desperately producing hit pieces like this is the strongest proof yet that after many years of waiting, they might soon get exactly what they deserve. I'll do for the show, I also want to remind you and announce that on Wednesday, at noon Central Time, I'll be doing an all-access live on Daily Wire. This is your chance to, if you're an all-access member, to come and ask questions, and in particular about the real history of colonization Africa, which is also releasing for all Daily Wire members on Wednesday. So that'll be going up the same day as the all-access. We can talk about that. We can talk about anything else that'll be on Wednesday. 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