Ep. 1822 - Debunking The Most Absurd Anti-Alcohol Propaganda
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The transcription is a monologue from a podcast host who strongly opposes the current cultural and medical campaign against alcohol consumption. The speaker argues that recent claims from organizations like the WHO, the Mayo Clinic, and media outlets, which assert that no amount of alcohol is safe and that even one sip increases cancer risk, are exaggerated, misleading, and based on fear-mongering rather than sound science. They emphasize that risks are often reported as relative rather than absolute, giving examples like a 23% increased breast cancer risk actually translating to only a 3% absolute increase. The host also highlights historical evidence, such as the role of alcohol in the American Revolution, the drafting of the Constitution, and early trade, to argue that alcohol has facilitated societal flourishing. They criticize the inconsistency of health experts who previously praised moderate drinking for heart benefits and now condemn it entirely. Furthermore, they contend that this anti-alcohol push is driving people toward other substances, including marijuana and SSRIs, which they describe as more isolating and potentially harmful, and question why these are accepted while alcohol is demonized. The text is interspersed with numerous advertisements for financial and telecom services, and it concludes with a promotional segment for a show and a Mint Mobile ad, blending editorial commentary with commercial content.
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For the first time since the temperance movement of the 19th century, which led to the catastrophe
of prohibition, alcohol has once again become a very dirty word in the United States. And it
happened pretty suddenly, too. No matter where you look, from podcasts to television news to WebMD,
you'll find the same message, which is genuinely insane. They'll tell you that any amount of
alcohol, no matter how small, will poison you. They'll tell you that you'll get cancer if you
drink in addition to destroying your sleep cycle. And they'll tell you that you'll get cancer if you
and your will to live.
And this message is everywhere.
Watch.
But of course alcohol's worse than pot.
Alcohol's worse than pot.
Everything, right?
Yeah.
Basically, isn't alcohol worse than everything?
Yeah.
Zero alcohol is better than any.
Right.
Two drinks maximum for an adult non-alcoholic per week.
It's kind of the upper threshold.
Week.
Per week.
Week.
What you can do without starting to increase your risk for cancer,
increase your, you know, about 5% of all cancers.
Business week.
About 100,000 cases of cancer each year in the United States are due to alcohol consumption
and about 20,000 deaths.
This isn't a small problem.
Mayo Clinic's Dr. Donald Hendred says alcohol is the third leading preventable cause of cancer
in the U.S. behind tobacco use and obesity.
The risk starts with actually relatively low intakes of alcohol over a long period of time.
Assuming it once in a while probably isn't going to increase.
The risk that much.
But there are many people who consume it regularly.
And there are many people who assume that there are health benefits on the heart.
And these benefits probably aren't as strong as what we used to believe.
He says when drinking alcohol is combined with tobacco use,
the risk of cancer increases significantly.
Studies have suggested the optimal amount of alcohol for people less than 50 is zero.
We need to dial back, I think, a little bit on our alcohol consumption.
It's one of those areas where you don't understand.
It's a hidden cost until you really give it up for a while.
And I think about my own relationship with drinking and I stopped drinking at 30 years old.
I'm now 33 and I had just drank because I just drank.
I'd never ran the experiment of just giving it up for a while.
And then, like, I don't know, maybe I was at 31.
I thought, you know, I'll have a drink again because now I could really A/B test it.
I had a year of not drinking, decided to have a drink again.
It ruined three days of my life.
I had a couple of glasses of wine, didn't get drunk.
It ruined three days of my life because of the domino effect it caused.
So it meant that I got worse.
And then because I got worse sleep that night, I ate more poorly the next day because my dopamine system or whatever, the cortisol system was all messed up.
That's resilience, yeah.
And then I podcasted worse.
I didn't go to the gym the day after, that day or the day after because of that, because I felt really bad.
Now, we played that last clip before a few months ago, but it truly never gets old.
I mean, you'd have to waterboard me for like a month to get me to talk like that.
And I still probably wouldn't.
I mean, he says he podcasted.
He podcasted worse and that three days of his life were ruined because he drank a couple of glasses of wine.
I mean, it couldn't have been anything else, like maybe a virus, food poisoning.
Couldn't be the fact that he's really a woman in disguise.
I mean, no, it was definitely the two glasses of wine that somehow caused a debilitating three-day hangover in this otherwise healthy young adult man.
Then there's the claim on Bill Maher's show and from the Mayo Clinic that alcohol causes cancer.
Which sounds scary until you realize that everything you consume, literally everything, including bacon, red meat, coffee, tea, Chinese food, so on, also increases your risk of cancer.
There are studies on all of this.
And I could sit here for the next hour listing foods that might cause cancer, beef, pork chops, cereal, white bread, cookies, ice cream, and on and on and on.
Do you enjoy barbecued chicken cooked over charcoal?
Well, I do, too.
Well, guess what?
The high temperature.
And the smoke creates chemicals that stick to the surface of the chicken and might cause cancer.
Have fun at the cookout.
Like I said, we could be here all day.
And it's not just stuff you eat, by the way.
Scented candles, household cleaners, plastic bottles, mattresses, furniture.
Every day you are surrounded by seemingly innocuous objects that, according to research, can increase your risk of cancer to some degree.
And that's to say nothing of the cell phone you're currently holding in your hand or in your pocket.
Life itself increases your risk of developing cancer.
Everybody will get cancer eventually if they live long enough, like Commissioner Gordon or whichever character set in The Dark Knight.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself get cancer or words to that effect.
I don't really remember.
I think it was something like that.
Now, of course, amid all this fear mongering, nobody ever really explains, you know, when they tell us about increased cancer risk from alcohol or anything else.
They don't really explain that they're talking about relative risk, not absolute risk.
I explained this also on the show a few months ago.
But it bears repeating, you know, when it when it's announced that, for example, moderate drinking increases a woman's risk of breast cancer by 23 percent, which is what they'll say.
What they mean, though they rarely explain it, is that it increases her relative risk by 23 percent.
But what that means in real life depends on the absolute risk.
So you have to know the baseline.
And for women, the baseline chance of developing breast cancer is 13 percent, which is already way down.
It's way too high, but that's the baseline without without drinking anything.
Moderate drinking reportedly increases that 13 percent risk by 23 percent.
So so it's not 23 percent of 100 percent, it's 20 percent of 13 percent, which means that the actual risk increase is about 3 percent.
For example, for another example, we're told that heavy drinking, which is obviously not healthy, increases your risk of esophageal cancer by, I think they say, 400 percent.
But the absolute risk of esophageal cancer is less than one percent, which means that 400 percent increase brings you up to a risk of about 2.5 to about 3 percent.
Now, you might feel that any increase in risk, even a percent, is too much for you.
And certainly, as I said, heavy drinking is not a good idea.
Consuming basically any substance immoderately is not a good idea.
But it's important to put these things into perspective and perspective has been entirely lost.
In this conversation for the media and for the so-called public health experts, there is no value in perspective.
People will just get confused, they think, you know, you bog them down with too many details.
It's much simpler to just tell people that alcohol is the main threat to their health.
It's poison. Even one sip can cause cancer, which is what they actually say now.
Even though in the entire history of the human race, there has never been a documented case of somebody getting cancer.
From one sip of alcohol or from one drink or from two drinks or from 50.
But it's technically possible, I guess, maybe.
So that's what they'll say.
Then, as an added benefit, they'll have a much easier time selling millions of Americans on other drugs that they can use to solve their problems.
From SSRIs to weed to mushrooms, Big Pharma would prefer you to take SSRIs.
Podcasters would generally steer you towards the weed and the mushrooms, even when it's not so heavy.
The full on propaganda campaign is hard to miss and it's hit a fever pitch lately, as evidenced by the following segment that just aired on ABC News, which claims to be a news network.
Now, there was a time many years ago, and if you're a younger person, like, say, under the age of 50, you're not going to remember this.
I don't either. But there was a time when ABC News would cover stories of importance to the average American.
And today, ABC's biggest story. I hope you're sitting down for this.
Is the scandalous news that Brad Pitt, the actor, recently consumed an alcoholic beverage.
Just one. Or maybe it was two.
Yeah, if you can believe it, a famous Hollywood actor decided one day to drink a moderate amount of alcohol.
This is a story that's so shocking in the minds of ABC producers that they included various self-help resources at the end of the segment just in case any of their viewers or, you know,
if they're thinking of following Brad Pitt's example, they're treating this news as if Brad Pitt just went on a rampage in Beverly Hills, leaving no survivors in his wake.
So behold, the ABC News report entitled Brad Pitt says he drank again after seven years of sobriety.
This is a full length segment that was actually broadcast by a major news network in the United States.
Watch Brad Pitt is pulling back the curtain on his sobriety.
He says he began drinking again after seven years of being sober.
- It's okay, come on, just a bad dream.
- In a candid note,
new interview with Esquire, discussing in part his upcoming movie, Heart of the Beast. The 62-year-old
actor-producer saying, I was sober for seven years and then I got back off the wagon in a more
restrained manner. In 2020, Brad Pitt gave credit to his friend Bradley Cooper for his sobriety.
I got sober because of this guy and every day has been happier ever since. The F1 and Fight Club
star. Welcome to Fight Club. Like so many non-celebrities, is among a growing number of
people who've been public about being caught up in the pattern of alcohol abuse and recovery
in Hollywood. And if you or anyone you know needs help with substance abuse, call 800-662-HELP
or visit findtreatment.gov. So it's quite a scoop. Brad Pitt gave up drinking for a while and now
he's drinking again. Okay. Did he get a DUI? Did he run a family of four off the road? Did he vomit all over
a clerk at the Cracker Barrel? As far as I know, no. Brad Pitt didn't do any of that. He just had a
couple of drinks in moderation. What a horrifying prospect. It's only a matter of time before he
gets cancer. In perhaps the least surprising development of all time, this anti-alcohol
panic originated, or at least has been heavily pushed by the World Health Organization, or WHO.
Now, the WHO, as we all know, assisted the Chinese government in covering up the fact that their lab,
which was funded by the Chinese government, was not able to do anything. So they were able to do
nothing. So the WHO, which was funded by Tony Fauci and the U.S. government, had created COVID in the
first place. And additionally, the WHO pushed the COVID lockdowns, which ruined tens of millions
of lives and served no legitimate purpose. This is easily the least reputable, least ethical public
health organization on the planet, which is saying something. But after COVID hysteria died down,
they didn't miss a beat. They went right back out there issuing new commandments that they expected
everybody to follow without question. So in particular, in 2023, WHO published a book called
A Statement Declaring, with absolute certainty that, quote, no level of alcohol consumption is
safe for our health. No level. One sip, even, is not safe. Here's how one WHO official named
Karina Ferreira Borges delivered the news. Quote, we cannot talk about a so-called safe
level of alcohol use. It doesn't matter how much you drink. The risk to the drinker's
health starts from the first drop of any alcoholic beverage. The only thing we can say for sure is
that the more you drink, the more harmful it is. Or in other words, the less you drink,
the safer it is. We need cancer-related health information messages on labels of alcoholic
beverages, following the example of tobacco products. We need empowered and trained health
professionals who would feel comfortable to inform their patients about alcohol and cancer risk.
And we need overall wide awareness of this topic in countries and communities.
The first drop. Even one drop is not safe. This is what the global health organizations are saying.
And the media repeats it uncritically. And pretty soon the podcasters repeat it. And pretty soon the
mass of people are also repeating it uncritically. Never mind the fact that it is not true. Okay.
It's not true. This is obviously a totally irrational, indefensible claim that simply is
not true. But we're supposed to accept it anyway and offer no protest or correction because although
they're lying, it's all supposed to be true. And we're supposed to accept it anyway and offer no
for a good cause. But I don't really believe in lying for a good cause. And I don't actually
agree that this is a good cause. So I must remind you again that aside from maybe the extremely rare
case of somebody having like an ethanol allergy or something, there are no documented cases
anywhere at all of anyone ever suffering measurable harms to their health from a sip of alcohol.
Telling everyone that no amount is safe and the harms begin at the first sip,
obviously implies that drinking alcohol is like drinking gasoline or sipping a nice glass of
battery acid. When they say that one sip is not safe and there is no safe amount of alcohol,
they are defining safe in the strictest way imaginable. Indeed, they are defining it in
the way that like a paranoid, obsessive, compulsive who washes his hands a thousand
times a day until they bleed might define it. They are not defining safe in the way that you define it.
In the way that normal human beings who desire to live functional lives and don't want to be
paranoid, obsessive, compulsives describe it. So you can only make the claim that no amount of
alcohol is safe if you are defining safe as the total absence of risk. That is for certain the
only definition of safe that would make no amount of alcohol is safe a true statement. But the
problem is that this definition of safe, if applied to your daily life, would utterly incapacitate you.
It would render you unable to do basically anything or eat basically anything or perform any of the
functions necessary to be a human being in a human society. Because virtually everything you do
carries some kind of risk. By this definition, there's no safe level for sun exposure either.
There's no safe level for breathing the air out.
Particularly if you live anywhere near a major city. There's no safe level of cake to eat on your
birthday. There's no safe level of working out you can do at the gym. There's no safe level of any
recreational activity or anything you do for fun. There's no safe level of exposure to whatever
device you're using right now to listen to this podcast. By this definition of safe, you certainly
could never drive a car. I mean, in a world where no, you know, where no amount of alcohol is safe,
driving a car is like, you know, you're driving a car. You're driving a car. It's tantamount to skydiving without a parachute. Driving a car then is like suicide. And yet we all
consider driving to be relatively safe as long as we are attentive and obey the rules of the road.
Right? If somebody came to you and said, hey, don't go driving today. It's not safe.
You would assume they mean that there's something really bad happening out there. Like there's a
tornado tearing the road apart or it's the middle of a hurricane or a blizzard, right? That's
you would assume that there's something else happening. There's some other huge factor that
would make it unsafe to go drive right now. And that's because as functional and mentally stable
humans, we define a safe thing, not as a thing carrying no risk at all, because all things carry
risk, but rather we define it as a thing which carries a reasonable amount of risk. And if that
is how you define safe, then it's a safe thing. And actually, in fact, there is a safe amount of alcohol. Okay. Having a beer with
dinner or a glass of wine or a pour of whiskey, God forbid, is by this definition, which is the
only sane definition, safe. It is safe. You can go have a drink. It is actually safe. It's safe.
You'll be okay. But when who puts out a statement and they don't provide this context at all,
don't attempt to explain what they mean by words like safe and words like risk. This is what they
do. The experts demonstrate no interest in educating you or informing you. They only want
you to panic. And that's by design. This is a corrupt institution that specializes in creating
mass hysteria. They're not actually concerned about public health. They are European globalists
who want power over other countries, especially the United States. And they see public health
hysteria as a way to gain the power over other countries. And they see public health hysteria
as a way to gain that power. And in this case, they want to push Americans away from alcohol
and towards SSRIs and other psychoactive drugs. So they released these marching orders, which
decree that no amount of alcohol, not even a single drop, is safe. Major hospitals, the media,
various podcasters then immediately begin parroting whose message, just as they did during COVID.
Something called the Canadian Center on Substance Use and Addiction issued guidance stating that if
you consume just two drinks a week, you're not going to have any effect on your health.
If you have a glass of wine after dinner or with dinner on Saturday and then again on Sunday,
you are endangering. It is dangerous. By the way, not safe means dangerous.
Does anyone really believe that it's dangerous to have two glasses of wine in a week?
Would any sane person describe that behavior as dangerous?
If I came up to you as a normal person, I said, oh, this person has a dangerous drinking habit.
What would you assume I mean? Oh, be careful. Watch out for that person. They've got a dangerous
drinking habit. Yeah, I wouldn't spend a lot of time around them. I certainly never get in a car
with them or let them around your kids. They have a dangerous drinking habit. If I said that and then
you said, oh, wow, man.
That's pretty bad. What's going on? And then I said, oh, get this. They drink two glasses of wine
a week. Who would you think is dangerous in that case? The person drinking the wine or me as a total
nutcase? Are there any documented cases of any human anywhere ever in history being measurably
harmed by two drinks in a week? I'm not aware of any, but don't ask me. I'm not aware of any.
Yeah, they're fear mongering.
but it's for your own good. Only an alcoholic would dare question any of this.
And then in January 2025, just before the Trump administration took over, Biden's outgoing
Surgeon General Vivek Murthy issued an advisory demanding cancer warning labels on alcoholic
beverages. He said alcohol is linked to various cancers, including breast, colorectal, esophageal,
liver, mouth, throat, and others, and described alcohol as a leading preventable cause of cancer,
third after tobacco and obesity. Now, what was amusing about all these claims is that not too
long ago, every major medical association was saying the exact opposite. So here's a paper I
pulled from 1999 from a doctor at Kaiser Permanente in Oakland, for example. This was published in a
peer-reviewed medical journal. So this is not just some random guy rambling, like me. He says,
moderate drinkers are at a lower risk of the most common form of heart disease, coronary artery
disease.
than either heavier drinkers or abstainers. Evidence supports a direct protective effect
of alcohol. This association has been demonstrated in large-scale studies from many countries. All
alcoholic beverages protect against coronary artery disease. Alcohol's protective effect
may result from favorable alterations in blood chemistry and the prevention of clot formation
in arteries that deliver blood to the heart muscle. Because coronary artery disease accounts
for a large proportion of total mortality, the risk of death is very low. So this is a very
clear example of how the risk of death from all causes is slightly lower among moderate drinkers
than among abstainers. Now, that was the dominant way of thinking for many years, up until about
15 minutes ago, when the global health organizations decided to weigh in. Moderate
drinking, we were told, was clearly good for you, as demonstrated by multiple peer-reviewed
independent studies. And now we're told that any amount of drinking, even one drop, is dangerous.
Now, of course, if all of the health experts were wrong for decades, dangerously wrong,
apparently, when they said that moderate drinking was safe, even healthy, then why should we believe
they aren't also wrong now when they say that no amount is safe at all? I mean, if you were
totally wrong completely in your peer-reviewed studies and these long-range studies, global
studies, with all this data, you're not safe. You're not safe. You're not safe. You're not safe.
And you were totally wrong, and you said for decades that not only is it safe to drink alcohol,
but it actually will lower your risk of mortality up to a point. And then it turns out that literally
one sip is dangerous. Well, if that's true, then we can't trust anything you say. If that's true,
then, like, whatever you're saying right now, 10 years from now, you could just say the opposite
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a lot. They declare something with utter certainty, and then they declare the opposite
with equal certainty. And the only consistent message between all of this wild careening back
and forth is that we, the rubes and the general public, are supposed to follow whatever they say
blindly without asking any questions. So now alcohol is poison. It's just too risky. It'll
be a long time before we can get rid of it. So let's get back to the topic. Let's get back to the topic.
Alcohol hysteria has entered the domain of self-parody. It is reminiscent of the worst
of the anti-smoking campaigns from the 90s, except somehow this is even more shameless.
But I have to admit, when you zoom out and look at how most Americans are responding to the
propaganda campaign, it has been very effective, just like the anti-smoking propaganda was very
effective. Many of us who are millennials and grew up in the 90s, went to public school in the 90s,
we remember this very well. I mean, the amount of fear-mongering they did about smoking was
insane. They would drill this into our heads from like kindergarten. And they had, I can remember
being in third grade and thinking that, you know, smoking one cigarette could get you addicted
right away, like heroin. I mean, we were told this in school. Even casual secondhand smoke exposure
would kill you, which isn't true, by the way. But this is what they told kids. It was terrifying.
But it also worked. And now there are many fewer people smoking cigarettes.
And so if you're of the opinion that public health experts can just lie and scare the hell
out of you with stuff that is only partially true or not true at all, and that like it's
okay for them to do it for a good cause, then I guess you have no problem with this.
You're also just a total puppet in that case, a sheep. As recently as 2018, just 28% of Americans
told Gallup that in their view, consuming one or two drinks a day is bad for your health. The vast
majority of Americans saw no problem with having a couple of beers every single day. Okay, that was
in 2018, right? By 2025, just seven years later, that number had increased to 53% of Americans.
And by the age of 35, 66% of them now believe that consuming just one drink a day will harm
their health. For comparison, in 2018, only 34% of young adults held that view.
Now, these attitudes, as you expect, are affecting behavior. Gallup has found that the U.S. drinking
rate is at its lowest level in recorded history. They've been tracking it since 1939. Quote,
the percentage of U.S. adults who say they consume alcohol has fallen to 54%, the lowest in Gallup's
This coincides with a growing belief among Americans that moderate alcohol consumption
is bad for one's health. Now, the majority view, for the first time, from 1997 to 2023,
at least 60% of Americans reported drinking alcohol. That figure fell to 62% in 2023,
58% in 2024, before reaching 54% today. Drinking has also declined 11 points among
non-Hispanic white adults, while it has been fairly steady at around 50% among people of
color. Young adults have already become less likely to report drinking alcohol a decade ago,
but that trend has only accelerated, with the rate falling from 59% in 2023 to 50% today.
This puts their drinking rate below that of middle-aged and older adults. There's also
been a sharp drop in reported drinking among Republicans, falling 19 points to 46%,
but not Democrats, holding fairly steady at 61%. Now, on the surface, these numbers might
appear to be a victory for society at large. After all, even if the negative effects of alcohol are
overstated, and they are vastly so, it still sounds like a good thing for Americans to consume
less alcohol. That means, you would think, less domestic abuse, less drunk driving, and so on.
But, you know, the problem is I have a major problem with the idea that fear tactics
and dishonesty and manipulation from the media and health organizations can be a good thing if
it scares the public into acting in an arguably healthier way. This line of thinking has gotten
us into a lot of trouble. I don't think it's a good thing. Especially recently. This is how they locked down the whole world during COVID. But the real point
here is that the fear tactics and manipulation actually aren't causing the public to behave in
a healthier way. People are simply migrating to other substances. Alcohol is being replaced
with psych meds and weed and other psychoactive substances. And people who are taking these drugs
are, in general, much less sociable and pleasant than people who are drinking alcohol. So, I think
it's important to look at this chart showing how many Americans are drinking alcohol as well as
smoking cigarettes and marijuana. The data is from the National Survey on Drug Use and Health.
There's been a massive increase in marijuana use, a huge increase, which has corresponded with a
decline in cigarette smoking and alcohol consumption. Marijuana went from being a
drug that only around five to eight million Americans were using, and now it's well over
20 million Americans who are smoking it. Weed, which is obviously a carcinogen in its own right,
is now more popular than alcohol or cigarettes. It's not even getting into the explosive increase
in SSRI prescriptions, which we discussed yesterday. More than a third of mothers in
this country are taking some kind of psychoactive medication. These are drugs that have dramatic
effects on the brain that no one even really totally understands. Pretty much every school
shooter has been taking one of these drugs. SSRIs have been shown to increase violent behavior in
control groups that have no diagnosed mental illness, which means the overprescription of
these drugs is a major problem.
And some of the most common side effects of SSRIs includes a flat effect, as well as a general loss
of passion and excitement.
You lose your ability to care about anything, including sometimes members of your own family
In some cases, people report losing the ability to feel any emotions at all
They become kind of zombies
Which, needless to say, is probably the exact opposite of what happens when you have a couple of beers
So our public health experts have an obligation to answer the following question
Why is it healthy to use powerful and unpredictable psychotropic drugs to help you function
But it's not healthy to drink a beer to calm your nerves at the end of the day?
Can anyone explain that?
Has anyone ever bothered to explain that?
As a country, we've traded one drug for many others
Including drugs that happen to line the pockets of big pharma
Has there ever been a thorough explanation of whether this trade was worth it?
Are we a better and stronger country now that everyone's high all the time and incapable of feeling pleasure?
Was the booze really that bad?
And if part of the trade is that people will drink less but also be much less social
Not hanging out with friends, not sitting at the pub, not going to parties
Rather isolated in their homes, interacting with people if they interact at all through a screen
Is that worth it?
I mean, there's no question that we have become a much more powerful country than we are now
I mean, there's no question that we have become a much, much less social society over the past several years
The research on that is unanimous
And as we've become less social, we've also migrated away from social substances like alcohol
And towards substances that are more isolated and isolating like weed and psychiatric drugs
Is that actually a good thing?
Is it worth having a society where people drink a little more
If it means that people will spend more money on drugs?
If it means that people will spend more time around other people?
I would say the answer to that question is a resounding, unquestionable yes
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You know, we could talk about the individual impact of alcohol
On a personal scale
As we've established
The negative impact on that scale
Is at the very least overstated
But what about the societal, even civilizational scale?
Is there reason to believe that a society will function better
Be more productive
By ditching alcohol?
And that becomes a hard case to make
When you look at the history of basically
Every successful country in the world
Starting, of course, with our own
As it happens, there's a very well-researched book on this topic
It's called The Alcoholic Republic
And it was written by a historian named W.J. Uriba
In the 1970s
And what you learn when you read this book
Is that America would not exist
As we know it today
Without the significant and widespread consumption
Of alcohol
So from 1790 to 1830
Obviously a pivotal period in the history of the United States
Americans drank more alcoholic beverages per capita
Than at any other point in history
Before or since
The average adult male was drinking roughly
A half pint per day
Which, if you're keeping track, qualifies as heavy drinking
That could cause cancer under today's guidelines
And in particular, men were drinking much more than women
Half of all adult males in the country
Were drinking two-thirds of the total amount
Of distilled spirits that were consumed
And in fact, the average adult male was drinking
1829, Uriba writes
The Secretary of War estimated that
Three-quarters of the nation's laborers
Drank daily at least four ounces of distilled spirits
And meanwhile, the Surgeon General warned that
If the army wanted to ban drunkards
Then there'd be no army left
Now from our perspective
The amount of booze our ancestors were putting away
Every day
Seems scandalous
One wonders how they even managed to do any podcasting
With all the alcohol they consumed
But from the perspective of the early American colonists
And our founding fathers
Alcohol had obvious benefits
For one thing, it was a currency
We were sending much more gold and silver out of the country
Than we were taking in
Due to a trade imbalance with England
So in the absence of hard currency
American merchants turned to rum
And later whiskey
To trade with each other
And the Indians and foreign nations
The importance of the rum trade can't be overstated
It created vast wealth in the colonies
Wealth that was used to pay for the rebellion
And when the British tried to tax the ingredients to make rum
Thus threatening the American economy
We revolted
Alcohol also helped the colonists bond
Long before the United States existed
It also allowed politicians to run successful campaigns
In 1755
When George Washington was running for a seat
In the Virginia House
As part of the colonial government
He refused to buy alcohol for voters at the polls
Which was a custom that was known as treating
So he lost in a landslide
And three years later in 1758
Washington pulled out all the stops
He ordered his campaign manager to buy 28 gallons of rum
50 gallons of rum
Punch
38 gallons of wine
46 gallons of beer
And two gallons of hard cider
Coming out to around a half gallon of alcohol per voter
They rolled the barrels of alcohol to the polling place
And what do you know
Washington received 307 votes out of 400
So he won decisively
Now all this drinking and generosity and hospitality
Brought the colonists together
Which would obviously be important in the rebellion against Britain
And it would give them the courage to carry out
Some very daring acts of insurrection
Including the Boston Tea Party
Which was conceived, planned, and organized
At a tavern in Boston by the Sons of Liberty
It's one of those historical facts
They don't really emphasize
But the Sons of Liberty were hammered out of their minds
When they came up with the idea
Of throwing the tea in the harbor
And it turned out to be a very effective idea
Might be something to the fact
That like a population where people
Are more likely to drink
Tends to be less docile
A population where people are more likely to drink
If all of those people were sitting around smoking weed
Is it likely they would have conceived of this idea
And then gone and done it?
As we discussed before
The founders were also drunk
While they were drafting our Constitution
Or at least immediately before signing it
They went on a bender at the end of the Constitutional Convention of 1787
As they were finishing the document
For 55 men they consumed more than 45 gallons of alcohol plus food
That means each man consumed around
Three bottles of wine, beer, or cider
In addition to some punch from the bowls
Over a six to ten hour period
And this was the atmosphere
That led to the formation of our government
To the modern public health experts
This would be a super spreader event
Everybody's vastly increasing their risk of developing cancer
So it's a good thing that no public health experts existed at the time
We might not have our Constitution otherwise
After the Constitutional Convention of 1787
After the colonies became the United States
Worabaugh notes that alcohol directly contributed to the industrialization
And economic advancement of the United States
As well as many other countries
We had more grain than we knew what to do with
And the most efficient use of this grain
Because it could be done quickly
Without the need to transport it too far
Was to convert it into whiskey
And because whiskey became so plentiful
The labor force began to change
So it is true to say that alcohol helped to build the country
Now that alone doesn't prove that alcohol is healthy
Or that you should drink
I'm not saying you should drink
I don't really care if you do or not
The point simply is that
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Last year, researchers in New Zealand and Germany wrote a paper in Nature,
which is a journal, and they wanted to know whether there's any kind of causal link here,
whether or not alcohol has facilitated the evolution of complex societies. Facilitated it,
failed to prevent it. So they looked at a global sample of 186 societies, mostly non-industrial ones,
including the Kazakhs and the Japanese. They ranked all these societies based on the number
of distinct jurisdictional levels recognizable in the society, meaning they checked if the society
had any kind of centralized political authority, and if so, how developed it was. They also built
a data set tracking the presence or absence of indigenous low-alcohol fermented beverages,
like early beers and meads, in those same societies. And then they looked,
in particular, at societies that weren't heavily dependent on farming, so they could be sure that
the alcohol was shaping their political development, not just the agricultural industry in general.
And here's what they determined. Quote, we find a positive relationship between the presence of
indigenous alcoholic beverages and higher levels of political complexity measured by the number
of administrative levels. The effect holds, even after controlling for several potential
confounding variables, including common ancestry, spatial proximity, environmental productivity,
and agricultural intensity. Our results support the idea that the group-level social benefits
of traditional non-distilled fermented beverages may outweigh their disruptive effects, and that
alcohol may have facilitated the evolution of human society. Now, obviously, we should be skeptical
of any finding in any academic publication, but this one makes sense based on everything we know
about the development of our own country. Alcohol, in many different ways, enabled the creation
of the United States. By contrast, no civilization has ever been founded because everybody was
smoking weed or taking SSRIs. So we know that great societies can be formed and built up and
flourish as the booze flows freely. Can any great society exist where the substance of choice is
weed or psychoactive drugs? I mean, there are no examples anybody can name, and the
early returns on our own society, as we've recently made that switch, are, to say the least,
not encouraging. Now, those are drugs that affect the mind in ways we don't fully understand.
They suppress creativity and passion. They promote isolation rather than social bonding.
That's precisely the reason why every mainstream media outlet is running scary
segments about alcohol while they ignore SSRIs, which are created by Big Pharma. They're
their biggest advertiser by far. Here's one more of those segments, which was actually pretty
entertaining because at the end of it, after the spiel from the health reporter about how alcohol
will kill you in, you know, 5,000 different ways, George Stephanopoulos brings up the fact that
these new recommendations contradict the old ones. And listen carefully to how that goes.
Back now with our GMA cover story, which is making us have a big discussion here on the
couch. A lot to say about the new research that's out this morning that suggests even
small things. We're going to talk about the new research that's out this morning that suggests
small amounts of alcohol may increase the risk of developing several types of cancer.
And they found it is a complex relationship. But one key finding is that alcohol was absolutely
associated with an increased risk of cancer and chronic liver disease. And that was for
any level of alcohol that we're talking about. They also found that the alcohol was associated
with 10 types of cancers in terms of increasing risk. And those things range from pharyngeal cancer,
larynx, lip and oral, esophageal, stomach, pancreas, liver,
prostate, breast and colorectal cancer. So the risk did seem to increase with the more alcohol you consumed. However, many of these cancers were even associated with risk when you're talking about less than one standard drink per day. So not a lot of alcohol. They found that alcohol was associated with chronic liver disease, pancreatitis, lower respiratory tract infections, tuberculosis and arrhythmias like atrial fib and atrial flutter. Now, where it becomes a little bit complicated is when they looked at the link between alcohol and cardiometabolic diseases. So with low to
moderate drinking, there did seem to be a little bit of a reduction in type two diabetes, Alzheimer's and other dementias and cardiovascular disease like heart attack and stroke. However, if you drank heavily, that risk then increased. So that's the old study. One glass of red wine a day is healthy for your heart. Is that out the window now? I think that when you're talking about the fact that alcohol is a known carcinogen, right, there's an increased risk of cancer. How can you possibly say that any alcohol is healthy? You're always going to be weighing that risk with maybe the little bit of the cardiovascular risk.
So no one's going to say you should drink in terms of improving your health. In fact, we would discourage heavy drinking. And if you are going to make that decision to drink, you should be aware of the risks, especially if you have underlying risk factors for these certain types of cancers. And also drink, you know, in the least amount you can. I mean, clearly, some people are going to continue to drink, but we just want them to be aware of the risk.
What do you do?
So you don't see too many segments like that where the couch erupts in laughter after the expert is done talking. None of them are taking her seriously. Half of them are probably drunk during the segment.
So if you're following along, she says alcohol can potentially cause all kinds of serious problems. But at the same time, alcohol can also reduce your risk of dementia, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer's disease.
And then when she's asked about the previous recommendation from the experts, which is that people should drink.
Some wine because of the benefits. She stammers a bit and implies that those benefits are minor compared to the cancer risks.
So we have a total reversal on a core piece of medical guidance.
Which has been issued for more than a decade.
And they can't offer a convincing response as to why they change their minds.
There's actually no scientific basis for her response. Cardiovascular disease and Alzheimer's are two of the most common ways to die and cancer in general.
Tends to be more treatable than Alzheimer's, which has no cure.
So cancer has no cure either, but it's more treatable general generally.
So who's to say that, you know, we shouldn't stick with the old recommendation where we drink wine every night.
And there's a trade off here.
Which which way is better?
Who knows?
These people are kind of just making it up as they go along.
Now, what they can't fabricate, at least not necessarily.
Not effectively is the historical record.
Our own experience as a society.
That's not to say that alcohol can't be abused.
Obviously, it can be.
And often is.
It's not to say there are no risks.
It's not to say there are no downsides or trade offs.
It's simply to say.
That the ancient Greeks.
Also big fans of booze, by the way.
Got it right.
As they often did.
Nothing in excess.
Was the ancient Greek motto.
All things in moderation, as we say today.
And that really is the answer here.
If you drink in moderation, you'll probably be fine.
If a society drinks in moderation, or frankly, even sometimes not in moderation, it can thrive.
In fact, the alcohol may even help it thrive in some ways.
So tune out the public health experts who've done more than enough damage to last a lifetime and take it easy.
Be reasonable. Be moderate.
It will probably be okay until one day you die of cancer or something else.
But that's going to happen anyway.
So relax and have a drink. Or don't.
I mean, it's really up to you.
That'll do it for the show today. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening.
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The text criticizes current anti-alcohol messaging from media, health organizations like the WHO, and public health experts, arguing it exaggerates risks and uses fear tactics.
It argues that moderate drinking is safe and historically beneficial, citing examples like the U.S. founding, where alcohol played a key role in politics, trade, and social bonding.
It claims alcohol risks are often presented as relative rather than absolute, overstating actual harm, and that no documented cases exist of harm from one sip or moderate consumption.
It suggests alcohol is being replaced by other substances like marijuana and SSRIs, which it argues are more isolating and harmful, and questions why these are promoted while alcohol is demonized.
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The transcription is a monologue from a podcast host who strongly opposes the current cultural and medical campaign against alcohol consumption. The speaker argues that recent claims from organizations like the WHO, the Mayo Clinic, and media outlets, which assert that no amount of alcohol is safe and that even one sip increases cancer risk, are exaggerated, misleading, and based on fear-mongering rather than sound science. They emphasize that risks are often reported as relative rather than absolute, giving examples like a 23% increased breast cancer risk actually translating to only a 3% absolute increase.
The host also highlights historical evidence, such as the role of alcohol in the American Revolution, the drafting of the Constitution, and early trade, to argue that alcohol has facilitated societal flourishing. They criticize the inconsistency of health experts who previously praised moderate drinking for heart benefits and now condemn it entirely. Furthermore, they contend that this anti-alcohol push is driving people toward other substances, including marijuana and SSRIs, which they describe as more isolating and potentially harmful, and question why these are accepted while alcohol is demonized.
The text is interspersed with numerous advertisements for financial and telecom services, and it concludes with a promotional segment for a show and a Mint Mobile ad, blending editorial commentary with commercial content.
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Public health experts, including the WHO, claim that no level of alcohol consumption is safe and that even a single sip increases cancer risk. This contradicts earlier guidance that moderate drinking could have heart benefits.
No, there are no documented cases of anyone getting cancer from a single sip or even moderate drinking. The claims are based on relative risk, not absolute risk, which exaggerates the actual increase in danger.
Gallup reports that the U.S. drinking rate is at its lowest since 1939, with only 54% of adults consuming alcohol. This decline is linked to growing beliefs that moderate drinking is harmful, especially among young adults.
Alcohol played a key role in early America, from serving as currency and funding the revolution to facilitating social bonding and political campaigns. The Founding Fathers even consumed significant amounts during the Constitutional Convention.
Experts have reversed their stance, now emphasizing cancer risks over heart benefits. However, they fail to explain why the old studies were wrong, and critics argue the shift is influenced by Big Pharma and a push toward other drugs like SSRIs.
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