EP 178: SP prophecy from Jura

[Music] The story. In the early 1700s, the camels of juror evicted a wise old seer blessed with the status to foresee the future. Bristling with resentment, the prophesied that when the last camel left the island, it would be one-eyed and all his belongings would be carried on a cart drawn by a white horse. I know guys you've got no idea where this is going but it will all become relevant in time. Maraine is the guy with one eye but that's fine. Are you then the white horse? I must be the white horse. You're riding me. You're riding me. Over time the story became legend. The legend became myth and the prophecy drifted from memory. That is until 1938 when Charles Campbell blinded in one eye from the Great War fell on hard times. It was a cold, unforgiving morning when he and his horse made their way to the old pier for the last time. That my friends is a story in a myth from Jira. Have you haven't heard it before? Adi say Jira or Jira? I think so. Jira. Jira next to Ila. Yep, Ghost of Scotland. We came across a whiskey or I came across a whiskey when I was over in Budapest at the shift left or enter shift enter. Yeah, whatever it's called. Yeah, shift left is not and Microsoft app is it's a different kind of app but yeah the shift enter conference. Okay. And came across this bottle looking at me across the restaurant with an eye on it and it was Jira prophecy which we are going to taste in about 50 minutes time. Nice. Great story. Nice. But we're also going to use all of the Rangers of whiskey in this series. I'm going to try and talk about them in the context of SharePoint and M365 which is a pretty stupid idea. I love it. But then again I'm always a sucker for stupid ideas. Like for example when I was in Oslo this weekend we were drinking whiskey and somebody had the very stupid idea of ordering some Yega Shots and then more Yega Shots and then more Yega Shots which is a fucking stupid idea but I love it. Well I have to say that while you were doing your Saturday, probably your Friday. Well both Friday and Saturday. So Friday I had to cry out of Oslo because I had my team Christmas party where we get into a lot of trouble. How can I describe what happened on the Friday? Well tell me how it ended. Don't say any names. I left about 2.30 in the morning. All right we just left the karaoke place which was amazing. My team are queueing outside and I'm going guys move on and they went no we're waiting for our chocolates and then I looked ahead and they were center clause at the end of the shop and they were queueing to ask him for chocolates. Oh okay. Okay. To the morning I decided that was my time to go and leave them to it. I think they went on for another couple of hours at that point. They were very drunk. The vodka had started again. The vodka and red bulls. Oh yeah. It was very delicious. It's a brilliant combination. It's Friday. Yeah so you know like Yega Shots, vodka and red bull. Same end result. Different journey. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Different price point though because Oslo famous for very expensive alcohol. So I gather. Did you did your bank balance suffer then on the way back? Very much. I just got my my credit card receipt today. Boy did we have a good time. Sure you did. I'm sure you did. I was sorry to miss it. I've never been to Oslo and it's a very nice city. I love it. It's been my fifth time or something and I just love it. It's very walkable. It's full of nice coffee bars and just little shops and whatever and it's beautiful. Good. Damn. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Yeah. And I'm not at all envious. But there you go. Next year. Yeah but I'm going to choose you on Tuesday speaking at the AI CoLab Conferency thing. Nice. Yeah so that'd be quite nice and there's a few people going there so that looks like it's going to turn out to be fun. And this way we get a bit of sunshine just before Christmas. Yeah absolutely. Very cheap, very rate with all inclusive prices. So my credit card won't kill and I can probably drink as much as I like but Yega Shots probably will not be included in there. I know. Just stay very far away from those. Yes. Must remember to Pat Swimming Trunks. I guess it'll be warm enough for a pool bar. It might just very well be warm enough. Yeah it's always beautiful like a little sunshine in December. Yeah I think so. Very nice. I've got five days out there I think. Nice. So yeah that'd be nice. Book some time off so I don't have to work there either so that. Oh good. Yeah so I think I'll work one day so no that'd be fun. I am looking forward to that very much. Yeah. Oh righty. So there you go so we're going to do something weird. So there are five whiskeys in the series and I will choose them in any particular order. I know you've got to copy this image but guys if well we'll tell you about the whisky later because I did actually see this in Budapest and I'll tell you the story of how I find it. So the whisky we're going to drink tonight will leave to a last. So here we go. Elixir. Elixir is in the fruit and spicy range of whiskeys. So when I'm thinking about elixir I'm thinking about asterix and obliques where they all drew it is making some concoction in a big copper pot. So that's what I'm thinking about about elixir. So a recipe of flow, a power app, the right steps to make it grow. Yeah but it could even be more than that. It's like a mystery solution that has a specific effect which should be positive. So I'm just thinking about a beautiful document library filled with metadata, filled with form, filled with views so that it just works. So it just works? Yes. I know nobody has any idea how it all got together but it just works. It also reminds me of the podcast we did last time with the five hidden secrets. The hidden, yes it's there on the wall, the undiscovered gems. Yeah exactly. So those to me also sound a little bit like in a elixir. So like I want to give all my documents a unique document ID number. Well done. Elixir. I'm not so sure. I mean it's a very exotic word isn't it? And we're talking things like Harry Potter here, we're talking you know things like Witches, Cauldrons and that kind of stuff and spells to make things happen. So are we not really talking about AI? We're not really talking about the magic that happens because you say hey I'm looking for this document that is relating to this particular process on how we should create blah blah blah and it gives you back the answers but in a story as if it's like magic. Yeah you've got all your ingredients all your documents you put them in a big copper cauldron, stirred it and then outcomes. I ask your question. Yes could be. Have you tried any of the AI stuff in SharePoint yet? Yes. Yes. Mixed results. Yeah same here. Also I haven't I was just playing with it. I haven't really done it in a business kind of solution way. So it was just playing like oh could I get a an audio capture about this document. I've been demoing with the knowledge agent. I played a few times. I demoed the knowledge agent a few times already and that always does amaze me. I've not tried it. I have to say I haven't had a lot of time to do that. What I have done is and I've got to hit my limits of the number of documents but we needed to create a kind of HR chats based upon HR policies and stuff. So we filled a document library up with all the relevant stuff, scoped it. So I've connected that a few ways. So I did a copilot studio view of it pointing it to the URL and the documents and the else but eventually you've got four or five in there. You've got to start combining your PDFs just so that you only have ten objects because of the limitations. So as soon as that kind of thing is got but it works very well actually. I mean most people were blown away and but for the really big stuff we needed to do it in chat GPT first of all then put it put it onto the site and then use copilot to put it into the apps and stuff like this but now that works quite well. So then go pilot studio is our copper cauldron that we put everything our cauldron is it copper? I think so. No it's cast iron. That's the witches. A bit of Shakespeare and Hamlet. Yeah okay. Yeah so the link here I think is definitely more AI than anything else. I think it's the magic that we need to sort of accept and to be honest as you say it's a little bit of mixed responses and mixed results for the time being but yeah it's interesting that we have still got hope but we get onto that one. Oh yeah absolutely. So on on Friday in Oslo I was planning to go to the workshop from Boulinth and Katharina they were doing a workshop around copilot studio and I kind of wanted to be there just to do like to be forced to play around a full day. They have all the knowledge there of all the experience to guide me through a successful copilot studio agent release there whatever. Yeah but then of course we're got in the way and then I spend all day working. I honestly think it's I tell you what it reminds me of which is not a good idea but it reminds me of not SharePoint Defender SharePoint. What was the old development tool used to have for this? Designer. Designed. Yeah where you put a bunch of stuff in but you never quite get out the value from it that you expect yet. Oh I was very lucky with or happy with the SharePoint designer I had to do like all of these crazy exosal T-sheets and like that. Yeah but you're coding it right where you're scripting it right. Well yeah yeah but that's not my bad. So using it as an AI it's just it's always missing a bit and I think co-pilot studio is at that level at this point in time. I think that you've kind of got to get it right. It's a bit like I was talking to somebody that was doing some stuff around AI within power platform and flows and things and they were saying that you kind of get there but you then it's a bit like a copilot prompt you kind of don't quite get there yet and that's fine don't give it wrong. This is like version one release at the end of the day all of this stuff is still a long way to go. And it will get there but yeah but that's our last whisky of the day. The prophecy we'll talk about where we think it will go. Oh good car. But but elixia I quite like that and I think it it will improve but yes I think it's those prompts it's that getting that data together put them in the library dropped in the web part a little bit of web party in a little bit. There's some free prompting and then take it from there throwing some search stuff and it's really quite impressive but so yes that's where I would put elixia I think it's the bitter copilot it is and the disappointment and stuff I've had so far is around pages AI. Oh then it creates a page yeah now it does really graphics and layout to fine but it doesn't do anything with the text so if you point it a word document and you say hey create me a page it just basically copies the text in word for word and the stick's removed just around it. So you need to do a bit of an interim stuff first and get it simplified and stuff like this so it depends what you want to do. That is not my experience. I had a policy bring your pet to work policy and I said give me create for me a funny page or a funny well yeah SharePoint page about this document and well just make it funny and it wrote like a super funny text very long with tons of examples and things about hamsters and dogs and stuff like that. Okay so maybe I did a poor prompt and I'm happy to accept that but then again yesterday I tried to demo I was delivering a training around building an internet and I was using a PowerPoint a 70 slide PowerPoint to do that and it actually and I said okay give me a page about happy employees taking the straining and it gave me it was busy for so long because it gave me so much a long page. Yes and it kind of gave me like five sentences about every slide. So I just had to stop it about after 50 sections or something like okay now it's done. Yeah now something is a little bit in mis and part of it is we assume it remember that I was only asking for you know four paragraphs. Yeah you ask for four paragraphs in one chat and you stand and adjust it and adjust it then you ask somebody else it gives you the whole 70 paragraphs again because it kind of forgot that you only wanted four. But that's okay. But it will learn it will get better. Yeah and we need to learn and get better as well because we need to master that prompting because if we just say write me a news article about this 70 slide PowerPoint presentation. It will. It will. Exactly. Yeah. But I do find that co-pilot is probably the worst one for in my opinion that it's pointing time for playing around with the text unless you specifically ask it. So maybe we're back to the whole prompt thing. So it doesn't really matter but I asked it to create a page based on a document and it just copied all the text and through the pictures in. Okay. So but then again I didn't actually ask it to create me some short stories from that text and do this and do that. But give me time. A few weeks ago I was really impressed with the section AI bit. So I said okay create a section about my team and do highlight the members Shalota and Luke who are members in my in my tent and he gave me some text he gave me some images but it also put to a contact cards in there from Shalota and from Luke. Okay. That was really cool. That was that was impressive because it's not just text and images it can also do other web parts. So that just confirms that elixir is AI because it's magic is the one thing we've already said that. But if you put a little bit too much of a particular ingredient in you end up with different results. Yeah. So getting the ingredients right for to get the elixir that you're after is important yep. Cool. Yeah. Read the fucking manual. Read the magic. All righty. So let me choose another one then. Origin. Origin. Maybe we touched upon this last time when we were talking about how many things have never changed in SharePoint and that you actually see the old 20 year old product still there. Center page. It's true because also like the the bread and butter that SharePoint used to be still there like the metadata the views even the the way how securities handled all that is still is still there. It's very visible it's very yeah you can you can just see it. No that is true and as we said we identified like the views pages and all that kind of stuff. Yeah but I mean like all the origin stuff from from SharePoint is still there like the method the functionality that was that that SharePoint came out within the first release that's all still there. Yeah and the basic concept of it is still there the collaboration and the knowledge management. Yeah. You got way wider way moderner because there's layers of complexity. Yeah. Yeah. So all that base functionality yeah. I had a conversation with a look a few weeks ago and might have been a week ago I don't know when it was but we were talking about the layers of security on it. She had some questions about something she needed to do and I think the last time I looked at this when I was a blecchly some years ago doing a presentation I think I had the 11 layers of security that were laid on you know including labels and an individual and a group. Yeah. You know site security document security sharing links. Yeah. All of that all is around that security thing but the base stuff is still there. Yeah exactly. And there we go. In fact that was a work trying to roll out the SharePoint sites that we eventually got created as I was going to play with those today and some of the site templates have gone wild and nuts and so you go into the permissions and none of the SharePoint groups they're just the AD groups that should have been inside the groups. Some sites are fine some sites not so somebody is whatever scripts they put in there somewhere managed to screw everything up. Okay. And then you get with weird results which is just the same as the original one used to be. Yeah. You know you do something weird like the SharePoint groups have gone and also a bunch of other stuff stops working. Yeah. You know the wonderful smokes and mirrors of Microsoft is still very prevalent in there. Yeah. I got an email earlier today about from one of my customers that is now working at the Artis Zoo in Amsterdam. And she said okay I've got a folder, a subfolder and I want to get rid of one subfolder. How do I do that? I said well you simply just tag all the documents and then just move them one level up. Yeah but I think that there's going to be about seven million links that are going to break when I do that. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Might be. Yeah. Because I'm thinking that maybe the document I deserve is my comment. It might do but I do know either guy was a name he was at Euroclear with me. I can see his face. French name. Damn. Great photographer. I know you don't listen to the podcast. Jean. Jean. No. Look. Jean. Yeah. Typo. Yeah. Whatever. Come back to me in a minute. I'll shout the name out and off an hour right in the middle of the sitting house. But he wrote a little script that was as part of the migration would take an Excel spreadsheet that's been migrated just run through it, modifying the links in there to the new pre-UrL and then migrate the thing across. And so any links that was in documents in Excel would then maintain because you get the same site structure. So you just in this case you obviously would just remove one of the folders that was in there. Yeah. So that was quite handy. That made it interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was nice. So that was cool. So yes. So origins. I think it's important that we don't forget what the origins were SharePoint for me and the whole collaboration and going through the comm server and all that kind of stuff all came back to what it does today which is of course. Yeah. It's funny because like for the last two weeks I think I had about three people that I was talking to or that I was reading something about on LinkedIn. Three people saying well but SharePoint hasn't that been discontinued a few years ago? Yeah. That's still around. That's still a thing. Yeah. It's a big thing brother. Yeah. So that was funny. Yeah. Yeah. Now I can wonder about you. All right. It's an odd one then. Juraxone, D-I-U-R-A-C-H-S. Jurax. Juraxon. Yes. Juraxon. That is actually the way you name somebody that lives on the island of Jura. Yeah. So it's Jura. It's the people. It's Jura. Jurax. Yeah. It's the people. It's the secret ingredient. Yeah. It's people. Yes. I love that. The secret ingredient is people. Yes. You know what movie that's from? Of course you know. I hate it when I can't remember. The secret ingredients are people now. Soil and green. What? Soil and green. It's like a very old movie from the 50s or something black and white. Everybody stop eating food. They just have this juice that they drink and then they're trying to figure out what's in it because it's a big secret and it's people. They burn people or juice people or whatever. Mash them when they die and that's what they feed everyone. Sorry. I may be I just. Oh yeah. Sorry for bossing on your lunch. No, no. I kind of probably just ruined the movie for a bunch of people. I mean by now it's never even heard of it. It's such a it's such a classic. Really? Green. Yes. Wow. Who's in it? I think Charlton Heston but I'm not sure. Okay. Look at that. I know you must look at it. Show me so I can see a picture of it. So I put it on my list and I will look. I have noticed there's a whole bunch of old movie stars in 1973. No, it's not that old then. No, it's not that old. It's from Richard Flyshire. Charlton Heston. Little Taylor Young and someone else. Yeah. Come in there. We have a look at the picture of it. We got a picture of it. No, never heard of it. In the it's the year 2022 people are still the same. They'll do anything to get what they need and they need Sorland Green 2022. Oh, interesting. Okay. Well, you know, we go back. We got gov it and everything. Hmm. Coincidence. I think not. Well, when I grow up, because I know you even though you've got more gray hair than me, but you're not as old as me. I just got more herding you. That's not true. I don't believe that. At least I had don't have a forehead. That's true. You have a dome. I know. I know. I know. You know that's the guys from Mars. They're going heads. Yeah. Yeah. But we had 1984. Yeah. And a nice say hair transplant. To be honest. Yeah. All green hair transplant. Yeah. Yeah. Like the ones that they do in Turkey and then just have that all filled with hair. Makes you look elegant. Yeah. I think so too. Yeah. No, no, it's fine. Anyway, sorry. Now you got me thinking what you look like if it had completely gone. It looks cool. Don't worry about it. It's fine. Oh, well, yes. So anyway, I don't sure how we got on Sorland Green there. So yes, the people's own people is the secret ingredient. So SharePoint is about people and it's about knowledge. And knowledge is based upon the individual, the person where it's coming from. Yeah. And you had another insight into the people's side of SharePoint. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's all user adoption. Yeah. It's people are using SharePoint to find stuff, to create stuff, to do whatever they need to make the business work. And therefore, they need to know how to use it, but also, well, it would be nice if they would also like to use it. Well, I mean, it's interesting about where we think about the touch points for SharePoint, because from a people perspective, there are, I'm going to say hundreds of them, but I mean, you're never going to remember hundreds of them. But if you think about one drive, yeah, SharePoint. You think about Teams, SharePoint. If you think about SharePoint sites, libraries, lists, workflows, buttons, pictures, images, yeah, it goes on and on metadata, manage metadata. They're all based upon some aspect of knowledge management and knowledge is about how you perceive the data that you're looking at on that SharePoint environment. And now it can use it to deliver it to everything else. Yeah. So no, I like that. Direct's own, which of course is the island is own whiskey. So it's another one to put on the list. These are all whiskey's in the series. So now we're all interested, of course, we want to get a list of them. No one has faced them all, yeah, exactly. So yes, the people's side of SharePoint, not to be ignored. And of course, the other side of that is the governance, the interface really between that technology and the people is governance. So you've got a chunk of that which is driven by people. Yeah. What they need, what they can and can't do, the restrictions in and out, whether they drink or find out what the green shit is is and other questions. Yeah. But yeah, so yeah, the governance is driven by the people and the business needs. So yes, their own whiskey, their own SharePoint sites. Good call. Okay. I like that. Well, I was thinking when you was talking, of course, people tend to use, it's interesting statistic that one day maybe I'll make some effort to find out, but people tend to use a very small number of sites a lot. So it's not that if you've got 200 sites, you don't visit 200 sites every month, you probably deliver six, maybe eight depending upon what your role is. So, you know, your own whiskey, your own sites, your own SharePoint space is quite different for everybody. True. Yeah. That would be very true. Yeah. Two more to go. Oh. Two more to go. So, so yes, so the Direct's own is interesting. It's in the rich and full-blooded. I love that. Yes. And now I don't know anyone from Jura, but I might think that they might be full-blooded. Yes. Because it's a small island, not a lot of people on there. I heard it's just one town, one road, one church, one distillery. I think it's one distillery on the island owned by the users on the island. Yes. But I have to say, I mean, I've been to Eilah, the island next to Jura, and the most beautiful thing that you have on the whole of Eilah is the view on Jura. Because Jura has got two mountains or hills. It was called the Peps. The Peps of Jura. And depending on where you are on the island, you just have this little narrow street of water between the two islands. And you can actually see the island. It's only like, I don't know, two kilometers away. You could swim in there? Probably. I was standing there. I was standing at the Boonehaben distillery, which is on that side. And I was just looking at it. I was like, I can swim this. Probably not, but I can swim this. Yeah. Maybe dragons, but yes. Maybe dragons, and sharks. Definitely cold. Yeah. And boats, big boats, big boats. I'll get that. And Nessie. Nessie, yeah, but she's a little further away. But it might be. Yeah. All right. Cool. Anyway, so now we're into the Peter's section. Then there are two Peter's whispers. Ah, then we're talking about superstition. We're talking about superstition. Yes. Which is the lightly-peated whiskey from Jura. I wonder whether I still have a bottle of that's upstairs. I know I still have the empty bottle because it's a pretty nice bottle. Yeah. It looks pretty good, but it was, it never really worked for me. So it never worked for you? No, I didn't really like it, to be honest. We were talking about Jura as a whiskey generally, and it either hit or miss. I mean, I think I've got got three bottles upstairs. And I think everyone somebody bought it for me rather than me myself. Yeah. Unless I think it might be bought one on the boat, but I think I've got Journey. I think you've got something else. Yes, I think you do. I think we tasted it at some point, very early in the series. It's a kind of nice go-to. It's a little lower than Deenstones, but again, Deenstones is another stable Scottish whiskey. Yeah. In that same kind of bracket and categorical. It's a little bit like Lemphidic. If only you could recognise Lemphidic by the taste, did you be fine? And if you don't know what I'm talking about, people, you really should listen to the last podcast, because Maraim will make an idiot of himself not being able to recognise a few whiskeys and one of which was, was it Lemphidic? No, it was a four roses and a famous grouse. And a famous grouse, sorry, Glare. Yes, you're right, it was. But I can't remember the last time I had drank a famous grouse. It must have been years ago. I think, yeah. Well, you don't touch your dear. It's a bit like Johnny walking for really after I will. Yeah. But a bit like JD, we're talking about that a few months ago. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, yes, super-sition. Super-stitious people. I don't like SharePoint. It's shit. SharePoint. I can never find anything. Difficult SharePoint. Difficult to use. I had a guy today in the training working for a company that sells working parts for micro-processor, as a male unit. It's like super clever guy. And he was like, I just don't understand that relationship between teams and SharePoint. Because you have got my team with six channels. And this is my channel number three. And he's got different documents than what I'm seeing in this folder from that team's in the SharePoint behind that SharePoint. Has different documents. He's got five documents and the one in teams has 20 documents. And I was looking at it and it was like, yeah, but on your SharePoint site, you're on your team's SharePoint. And the one in SharePoint, it's a ShareChannel. So that's located somewhere else. So what you have is you have two folders, both called number three, but just in different locations. And that's why you're confused. You just somebody messed up. But you know, I can understand why he's confused. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I was trying to explain this to him for about half an hour. And he just didn't get it. And then I just went to his computer and looked at what he was seeing. And he was like, this is different. And it took me like a minute or so to realize, yeah, these are two different folders. These are two different locations. Oh, that's why I can't figure it out. Okay. Yeah. But it's Microsoft's fault. No, it is Microsoft's fault. You can easily collect, you do drop down. I want to share it. Folder. It's not clear without understanding what's happening in the background. Yeah. So you have no idea what was happening in the background. They name shit in such similar ways. It's almost as if they say users can never remember more than eight different words at a time. So we'll just name these 73 things using those eight names. Yeah. And what we also have is that what always, um, may as a people is that if in teams, I create a new channel is going to create a folder in SharePoint. But when I create a new folder in SharePoint, it's not going to create new channel. No. And it's like, yeah, but that's because the channel is so much more than just this folder. It's just a resource. Yeah, but why isn't it working both ways? Yeah, but I think the point is that we're not supposed to teach them that way. No, I'm always saying like if you're using sticking teams. Exactly. Just staying teams. Absolutely. But it is Microsoft's fault. I read today or this week that they're going to rename OneDrive for Business. Are they? Yes, they're renaming OneDrive for Business. As of now, it will be known as OneDrive. Do they not have another service called OneDrive? Yes. But ironically, that also runs on SharePoint because now we have what was the thing that Jeff T. came out like a year ago, we now have five billion people working on that. That's right. You combine the whole thing. Working on SharePoint. Like what? Yes, because we put the consumer OneDrive also running on SharePoint now. Yeah. So anyway, OneDrive is now the same as OneDrive, which used to be called OneDrive for Business. It kind of makes sense because that means they only have one service to maintain bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. With different domains. Different domain. VPNs. Yeah. Different services. Yeah. And then just trying to make sense. But okay. There isn't. And you can't. But then again, who actually uses the name, oh, it's on my OneDrive for Business. No, it's just on my OneDrive. I just have two OneDrive. I've got a person I want in a work one. And again, I think it's just the fact that our perspective on all this is different to your average user. As you say, John Smith at Company X is OneDrive is what he logs in with his company X.com email address. And he's other OneDrive. He probably doesn't have it. He could just have Google. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. So I never call it OneDrive for Business anyway. It's just OneDrive. No, neither did I. But at least it was always, is this OneDrive for Business or is this OneDrive? At least you were able to differentiate the two. What are you going to do now? The one has a white cloud. The other one's got a blue cloud. Say no, where is this OneDrive with the white cloud? So which one's which? The blue one is the business one. The white one is the personal one. Okay. For now. Look how well he had his business OneDrive. But I do think I already thought this is strange. This is stupid. But it makes sense kind of. Yeah. You know, I've been superstitious about SharePoint still being the one tool where you can do everything around document management, but it's also a portal solution. So I've been superstitious about maybe they should break it into enough to separate solutions. So like back in the 2006 days. SharePoint 2001 was one solution with portal pages. And then 2003 was the same, but the portal pages were less popular. Yeah. And then I think when he got to 2010, they went, no, no, portal's don't exist anymore. It's all collaboration. Yeah. And then I think it was when they 2016. 2007, I think they bought 2010 or 13 that they put the two back together. No, 10, I think was separate apart. They separated off to with the office server, which they've just discontinued this month. And I think it's 2016 and onwards they started to go, hey, you can have communications things. I mean, I'd get easy up the years wrong, but it was about that time thing. It's actually might have not been, it might have been SharePoint online at that point that had the comms pages rather than. Well, they had the new pages, which I thoroughly hated in the beginning because they were just not finished yet. Yeah. So are you ever superstitious of SharePoint? I'm superstitious because I'm thinking like these should be two separate products in my head. Very linked together like one drive is linked to SharePoint. So do you think Power Platform should be a separate product? I think Power Platform should just be thrown on a big fire and just let it freaking burn. I mean, what a pile of but actually, it's no, no, it's not. It's super powerful. It's just been replaced by agent soon. It's not user friendly and that's where maybe the agents might make a super big difference because then I can just talk to the agent and say, look, I need a workflow to do a document approval. And then it might do it instead of me trying to figure out why is this not working? Oh, because this is case sensitive. And when I want to check if the document is approved, I need to check for a proof. No, not approved. No, I don't believe that for a second. I really, really don't. I think that what we're seeing here is Microsoft's typical assumption that users will grow into the product. So, oh, but it's true. I mean, the first 15 times it took me two hours to freaking follow it up and see if it works and finally figure out the mistake. But now, after 15 times, I finally learned that now I can create a approval workflow in about an hour, which in Linux used to cost me three minutes. But anyway, it's just that you're dumb. It is. And it used to be so much better back in the day. Everything was better. But it was smaller, you see. Yeah, it was. That's the difference. The stuff has grown around it. And the reason I think we're dumb is that I watched the MVP channels going through and the things that people are doing in fabric, in Azure, in Co-Pilot Studio, and eventually you come to SharePoint and Office and everything else. And I think there were just 75 different skill sets needed now because of the depth of the product. So, I know it's going to do everything. And so, we're just cool being AI workspace kind of places, kinds of people. And that's where we'll sit. So. Yeah, no, I have to admit, I just barely scratch the surface of what power automate can do. No, and I think we're in all solutions. And even that it doesn't do very well. Yeah, I think we're more solutions. I'm trying to come up with a new job description for LinkedIn. And so, you know, that makes me AI solutions for the workplace. I'll call you to come up with 20 or 20 odd ideas. No, I want to do it myself. I want to prove that I'm better than you. I'm going to come up with mine and then I'm going to ask you to make one better. I need a cool name for my AI role. So, I'm not going to ask AI. I'm just going to force it myself through ShareWill, manifest it. Okay. When I can read my mind with that, you're saying the word that maybe we'll be there. Maybe you can call yourself the AI prophecies. The prophecies. Yeah. How do you call that a prophecy maker? Oh, yeah. Oh, we'll make a call it. Yeah. For see the future. Seer. Seer. The AI seer. But that doesn't sound very cool. The AI seer. The seer of AI. Seeria. Oh, Jesus. Prophecy. Prophecy? No. Prophecy. Oh, yeah. Prophecy. Okay. Okay. No. Yeah. Just no. No. No. That doesn't sound like it. Anyway. The last, the last bottle in the range is the prophecy. Yes. Which is already my favourite because it's the heavy Peter one. Yeah. I know. I know. I haven't. I've tasted it once when I was in. I got blown away. Yeah. Who'd the best when I found this? And I'll come to that in a little bit, baby. But SharePoint then prophecy. Where is it going to be? See, that is a very interesting discussion because if we're talking about internet, obviously now the big question is, do we still need a beautiful looking internet in the future? Or do we just need an AI bot agent that I can ask everything that I normally would look up in our HR procedure? Isn't it amazing how things go around in circuit? Because I do remember in 2010, people said it would just be a search box on the front of the screen and you're just Google. We just want to know. No, no. SharePoint. SharePoint search really took a big hit 2010. Yeah. Yeah. And people wanted it to work like Google. Yeah. But so basically you said just a search, you name your documents, you get what you need and nobody ever really went down that line. So I'm not entirely certain that everybody would go down to AI only. I mean, listen, I don't have an issue with it. But no, there are people still using their Yahoo email address. I learned that it's true. Yeah. Because I was sending the slides to my people in the training. There was one person with a Yahoo email address. I didn't know that was still functional. Well, somebody asked to own the domain. Maybe it is. Maybe that was the maybe it was a multi billionaire who used to own you before they sold it to somewhere. Oh, maybe. Yeah. Who knows? Maybe they just gave me a fake email address like, yeah, you'll believe it. Yeah. It was something technical. But I guess they gave you the email address because they wanted something. Yeah, the slides. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. All right. So prophecy. Mm-hmm. I think we should just leave it open for the future because it will be something we're not sure what you just want to get to the actual drinking of the whiskey. Absolutely. So what happened was I was in Budapest for the shift and conference speaking and I think in the last podcast I told everybody how that went badly wrong. But went for lunch. Well, actually, you didn't because you didn't tell the story. Did I not? No, you didn't. Oh, no. We said we said that. We said that. We said that. We said that. Oh, we forgot. Yes. All right. Then I'll tell the story. So yes, war stories. War stories. Get around people. All around around the town. shift enter in Budapest. Highly recommended. It's a great venue and it's a great, it was a really good event. They, they, they organizers. You have something in in Budapest called the Ruined Pup or the Ruined Pup and they called Ruined Pups and basically they're hold warehouses or blocks of houses and they knock doorways into all the different rooms. So you can go into one pup but you can end up with five different bands or a comedian or a DJ or a different kind of bar and you just wander from room to room. So they're quite large. They're, they're, they're big. That's cool. Yeah. I thought it was called the Ruined Bar because when you got out of the bar, you would be ruined. That is also quite possible. Yeah. So the venue is is a evening event complex in the middle of the centre of Budapest. But it's basically a bar and so different rooms. So you actually end up on a stage with a full sound system and lighting rig and you're presenting to a, I don't know, 100 people audience and from a stage, which is cool. So Jim Mal was there in his suit and tie under the lights, sweating like a pig to poor sod. I mean he was trying to present really said, so hot. He's used to the heat. He's always in Dubai and Seal and Asia. But he said it was very, very hot. But, but anyway, so and I had a suspicion that I was going to have a bad day because the demo gods early on in the day just would not work for me. Yeah. And basically I was doing a live holly presentation for AI. It was a bit key notice in terms of where it was. Holly being your Chachi Bd. E. E. B2 voice. Yeah. And so I had 45 minutes or so and the idea is we were going to do a deep dive into AI. So hey, Holly, look at this document here. Can you tell what the document is? Break it down. Hey, I want to do a presentation on these three things. What would be the bullets in the presentations? And basically show people how AI can be your own research assistant. That was the title. How AI can be your research assistant. And also how it fails in the copilot space, as you know, from try to do that. But every time I asked her a question, there was silence. And then I would go, "Hey, Holly, you there. Oh, no. Anything you want just ask me the question. I'm here for you. Never, she never answered one." And I don't know whether it was the bloody headset I was on. I don't know whether but apparently they had internet problems throughout the day and stuff like this. But literally I just never got anywhere. So I was basically explaining how we do this and talking. And don't get me wrong. It was cool. I got the headset mic on. I got the full lighting rig. I was talking to everybody in the audience and I did a really good job. But the demo failed. It was so. It's never happened to me before. I've never really had demo got failure to that level. I mean, obviously if you do a old-day training. Yeah, but the problem is you're of course building on top of wanting off to the other. So if wanting fails then yeah. Yeah, exactly. But the session itself went okay. And again, reminding me about how really I enjoy doing keynote speeches rather than the demo or a speech because I was able to freewheel and improvise and no choice to fully tool out. So yes, so Budapest was a bit of a failure but the city itself is just spectacular. Have you ever been? Yes. I was there last year, collaboration. Oh, okay. Yeah. Or experts laugh. I honestly can't remember. Yeah, one of the two. Okay, no, but it's a beautiful city. Because I took a hop on a puff bus around city and it just amazed me how it kind of reminds me of Paris, like wide open streets with these beautiful buildings. So yeah, I enjoyed that very much. Yeah, super. Did you get across the river and go up the railway to the hills and to the castles and the churches on the other side? Actually the hotel where I was was on that side. So I had to actually did a fairly funny thing. So I took a lime scooter from the hotel to drive into the city center. So I drove down. Yes. And then at some point you come to the river and I'm just driving where all the cars are driving of course with my little scooter. And suddenly the road goes into a tunnel. So I was just like, "Oh, fuck it. I just took my lime scooter. True the tunnel." And appeared on the other side into. That's. Yes. Exactly. And then I had to find a place to park it because you can't just park it anywhere. That you can't. That was pretty. Well anyway, we're at the lunch. Set at the lunch and I saw that they've got a reasonable amount of whiskers and spirits on the on the bike. It was beautiful. And I saw the eye. Yes. And I'm pretty. That is unusual. And it's jeera. And so I kind of asked for it and I just died tasting it. I mean it was just blew me away. So I mentioned it to you and you. So you mentioned it to me? To be at the whisky store at the time. No, you mentioned it to me. I was sitting behind my computer and I thought, "Well, if it's really that good, let me look it up." And I found. Because it's been discontinued for quite some time already. So I found a shop that still had a few bottles left. So I just bought two. I went for me, one for you. Happy Christmas. Thank you. And yeah, I already opened mine. So I already got a little taste. Yep, I had a drink when I was over there. So a little taste. Yep. And you are right. It is to be honest, like by far the best yura I had. Because it's heavy-peated but it also does work for the Swiss industry. It has a nice depth to it. Because the superstition, the light-peated one, I didn't enjoy that much because it was just not. It didn't feel very pitted. No, that's cool. So let's tell everybody what we actually think of it. So what did you get on the nose? That interesting nose that reminds me a little bit about like gochis and something. It's not very sweet. It's very. It's not sweet. It's not like a lagervullin or something. No. Which I always seem to forget nowadays and then when I have a lagervullin I go, "Shit, why don't I drink this more often because it's beautiful." I know, that's why I had the tasting as well. Like, "Dro, or just sell me a bottle. I don't care how much this is." Yeah. So I get that. So it has that earthy smokiness on the nose. And I also have to say I love the color. This is like a beautiful orange golden color. It is very, very beautiful. I don't know what kind of barrel this has been. I think I looked it up at some point but I kind of forgot. Spicy sea spray but that's not the name of the barrel. I asked Holly actually about it so I'll take it quick. She might now. It could be something like a red wine or something. Don't think so. I wouldn't suggest that actually from the the look of it, from the taste of it rather. Well, from the nose it might be a port cask but from the color it might be something else. I just hope that we were telling you so nose, spreading this sort of thing. Cinnamon, it says I think I can get that as well. It's a little one spice, bon fine oats on the nose. Doesn't say what barrel it is. It also doesn't smell very pitted. No, you don't get a lot of. Yeah, yeah. No, no, it doesn't smell very smoky. It doesn't smell like a la frog. It doesn't smell like an ash tray or something. It smells delicate and refined and very yeah, very well done. So the barrels, the secret sauce behind your personality and the case of prophecies, it takes it from peaty to obladiol, that's gorgeous. It's the breakdown, Holly's style. Experman barrels, American white oak and that's the backbone of it and that's where you get the vanilla and coconut stuff. But then it's finished off in a limousand oak. So it's a wine cask, isn't it? Yeah. All right, cool. That would make sense because you can kind of get that in there. Yeah. All right. And it's from peated barley. It's not getting it's peated from any of its finished barrels or anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, you can't have that much peatiness just from from putting it in an ex-corticosk or something. Oh, this is lovely. I know. I haven't drank it for three weeks. I had it at lunchtime. Yes, it is. And I had it with a Hungarian goulash soup. Oh, I I really want to be brilliant. Yeah, and actually the takeaway from the conference was a bag of genuine paprika. So I have tools to play with. Nice. I have to say the giveback that we got from Oslo was out of this world. We got a nice chopping board, a wooden chopping board with collabdes, Oslo burned into it. We got sausages. We got sausages. Yes, multiples, different sausages from made from different animals. You got like the elk and the other things. Very cool. A bunch of other stuff as well. So very interesting. Also, I had an experience and a fully tasting experiment. Yes, I ate well. Oh, I've done that before. Yeah, smoked well. That was that was nice. That was something else was good. Yeah, spent a while. I liked it. Yeah, the finish on this is really coolest. It's very burnt toffee. Yes, yes, very burnt toffee. Yes. So we have something called bonfire toffee around November the 5th every year for bonfire night. And it's toffee that's taken right to the edge. And it's broken with a big hammer and you put it in the bag of the kid and you crack on your teeth on it. But it's really dark and really not bitter. But that's what I get from this. I like that there's also a little bit of saltiness in there. That's what they say. The sea spray. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like a lot of salt on the finish actually. Yeah. Yeah, this is starting noticing it. It becomes prevalent. Yeah. Have we tried water? I have not. I'm trying not to flood it. Yeah, let me just finish my glass. So I can drop a little bit of water in there. One, two, there we go. I'm guessing it's not going to be great. No, I don't think so either, but I thought to try it. For all our audience listening, we have to try it. Yes. Completely kills the nose. It does, but actually there's a lot of subtleties in there. I mean, it's a boldness away. There's no doubt about that. But I expected that. Yeah. Spicing. Very short. Just a little umph spicing then it's gone. Yeah, I like it. And then the saltiness comes back. Yeah, yep, yep. Prefer it without the water. Yep. But it's not a bad case. It's just like a 40 finish down actually. So it still comes through. The top is coming through now, but it's coming through a lot of sliver. Yeah, I like it. But anyway, I would probably not bother putting any more in it. No, no, no 45% it is. Oh, 45. Okay. Interesting. It's not bad with two drops of water, but it's not necessarily. I don't think it's necessarily either. But I like that a lot. But I can see that's going to go into, I'm going to have to hide it at the back of my shelves. Otherwise that might go a bit too quick. Yeah, they're still not supposed to be drinking alcohol. Still not. Okay. But there you go. Failed again. We try. We try. We try. I found the like a really funny image somewhere online. I don't know. It was it was a guy with a big whiskey cocktail in his hand and he said, this is the fifth time I tried to make a salad. What am I doing wrong? Nice. So that was that was fun. I showed you pictures of the cocktails I had in Budapest, the whiskey ones that were smoked. That was incredible place. Nice. That was really nice. Pretty expensive. But it was really very, very cool place. But yeah, the cocktails. Yeah. So before Oslo, I kind of wanted to search for a nice cigar lounge to have a. In Oslo. In Oslo. And found online a bar called Himcock. And that is a. Himcock in Hercock. No, no, that was the place next to. Yeah. And that was a, a gindestillery. So I went there. It was bloody busy, super, super busy. And they were also saying online they have such an amazing ray of drinks. So I went to the counter and was like, what kind of whiskey you got? And the guy was just, I couldn't see any bottles behind him. It was like, yeah, okay, you know what? Just give me a whiskey sour. And they actually had like five taps behind him and he just tapped a whiskey sour. And then he pulled something else and then put like the the egg cream on top of it. It was delicious. It was so delicious. But it was like just how are you making this is so weird. I talked to, I went to, I go to Tassu, but not very often, nowadays, which kind of price themselves at the market to be. But they could they sometimes spend 48 hours doing their baseline underlining cocktail materials. Yeah. It has one that he has a soupy, you know, like the soupy thing for warming slowly up. And he uses a soupy on it three times over 48 hours, warm it up, add some stuff. Then it goes really cold and then they start again, warm it up for five or six, seven hours just to give him the baseline for one of their cocktails. And I was talking to somebody else and they said, yeah, no, we did the same. Okay. I said, if I took perhaps the guy out the bar, I was out because it was the one where the sushi was there on all of the different islands and things. It was an incredible place. Yeah, it looked very cold. It was very good. Nice. So we're at the end of this, but let's not disappear rapidly because this will be our probably between Christmas and New Year edition, which is nobody will listen to it. Yeah. Exactly. Unless we release it in the New Year. Well, we still have the other one. So we've got two to release. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So what are you doing for Christmas? So I'm going to release them before Christmas. So there you go. So you've got plans. Just family stuff. Yeah. Basically family stuff. Then New Year is going to be probably not much happening. I've got my daughter with me. So I don't know. I kind of want to make it into a big party. But I'm lacking some inspiration. Okay. So you make it into a big party. What would you do with your daughter? I'll leave it with your mom. No, no, no, no, with my daughter, just have a proper party. But yeah, I know. If you want to cook, but the problem is my daughter's vegetarian. So I'll just give her a carrot or something. A carrot. Happy New Year. So I knew you and my stepson's coming here with this family. They have a daughter about similar age actually. Okay. Thank you about it. And we're planning on I mean, grabbing some food somewhere or cooking something. Sorry, it depends whether the kitchen's finished upstairs. And then we're going to do the fireworks here. So we'll take a walk up through Antwerp to the river. Yeah. Do the fireworks and then take a walk back. So if you want to join us, if you want to do some of that. Well, for New Year's, we have a little dog with us. Oh yeah. We can't leave him alone. Yeah, that's true. So that's fine. Dog doesn't like the fireworks. No, no. No, okay. Well, it's just an option anyway. So you won't be having a big party. Unless we all come into your place. I'll bring all four of us around to your place. Yeah, but it's such a small place. We do. Unlike this mansion here that we're working with. Yeah, exactly. That all good. But anyway, yeah, so that's fun. So yeah, so Christmas, I'm around here on my own, because that's what I chose to do. And I'll do a bunch of work on the house, continue that sort of stuff. Yeah, studio is in the middle of being reorganized, which is why it's chaotic. Why is everywhere? That's fine. It won't take time. And yeah, and then upstairs. Yeah, that's me. And then New Year's is a family coming over. So that'll be interesting to see to work that through. So everybody, we absolutely wish you the best of Christmas greetings over the holiday period. We really hope you have some fun. We know that most of you have turned off by now, especially those that don't like whiskey. So those that are left behind, you are the special people. We wish you a happy Christmas. And Marie will now wish you a happy New Year. Happy New Year, everyone. Bye-bye. [BLANK_AUDIO]