EP #169: Consciousness in the Digital Age with Paige Goldstein, Founder of The Ripple Effect

(upbeat music) Welcome back to another episode of Everyday in Dorfins, a mental health podcast focused on the importance of finding joy and happiness in daily living. I'm your host, Stella Stafnopoulos, and this week I had the privilege of getting to sit down with Paige Goldstein on the podcast. She is a storyteller, brand strategist, and digital nomad who helps women build sole aligned personal brands through her coaching platform called Thriple Effect. She's also a fellow podcaster of the Fill Your Soul podcast where she explores themes of travel, creativity, and living with purpose. Paige and I had the opportunity to connect a while back about a year ago at the Utamonia Summit, which is a conference that discusses topics around longevity, biohacking, and really what it means to live a well-lived life, which is the whole premise of Utamonia, the Greek term. And I was super excited to have her on the show to really talk about her approach to blending strategy with spirituality and entrepreneurship, and how she pivoted out of her corporate path, what it's like to live life as a digital nomad, and how she helps other founders, storytell from an authentic perspective. Really excited for you all to listen to this episode, but before we dive in, a reminder to like, rate, and review this podcast on whichever listening platform you prefer. - Hi Paige, thank you so much for coming on to everyday and orphans. It is so lovely having you here this morning. - Yeah, thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here and to connect deeper with you and your community. - I feel that our world's coming together was very synchronous and perfect timing, and it's interesting because like we, for my listeners, who are just getting acclimated to how we met, I think it was Utamonion that we had first connected, but not in person. I don't think we met in person. I think we just connected on LinkedIn from both being at that event. And then months later, I got a message from you, and it was like perfect timing because I met someone that exact day that I received your message who ended up also knowing you. And so it was like, I feel like a sign from the universe that we were brought together. - Yes, yeah, I feel the same. And I think it's also just when you follow the space where you're most aligned and interested in. Utamonion was a really interesting health conference that I was so excited to go to. And so I think just similar worlds. And then when I messaged you on LinkedIn, it was like you were in Europe with someone that I had met in Europe as well, also in the wellness, like I'm travel space too. So, yeah, so much alignment. - I know. And I know that alignment and consciousness is very much part of your brand and intersecting or finding the synergies between entrepreneurship and building community, but also with this focus on spirituality. So I'd love to start there actually and learn a little bit more about how you see the two intersect or really like what that approach has been like for you when you think about building your brand, building community, but also really focusing on like the spiritual element of that. - Yeah, definitely. I think there's so much that goes hand in hand with consciousness and brand building, which is interesting. And just to share a little bit of my background, I have been traveling for the past four years and so I think my, I studied psychology at university too, but I've always been fascinated in consciousness and psychology and spirituality, but really I think travel has opened up that world even deeper for me of like how do we connect in other cultures with people beyond just like our bubble of what we know and really this level of connection and this oneness that I've experienced through travel has gotten me even more interested in this whole space. And then bringing this side of yourself to personal branding and more authentic personal branding. And if you show up as like your true self online, how that is really this magnet for a line, opportunities and connections with people who are on your same frequency or same vibe. And that's something that I, yeah, pretty much do full time now, which is guiding people back towards authentic expression a line. - It's such a good point that you bring up like when you show up as yourself online or even just in like the real world, generally speaking, when you live in alignment with like who you truly are, you attract the right people, the right opportunities, but the online part is like a different layer because I think by nature of being online, it can feel really performative to a degree like social media. We know that there's horrible effects on our mental health with social media. So how do you actually in practice approach this idea of showing up authentically online? Like what does that actually look like for you? And I know that you're very passionate about mental health and wellbeing. So a follow up to that question is also how do you prioritize your wellbeing when engaging with these platforms because at the same time in order to build a personal brand, you know you have to interface with Instagram, LinkedIn, TikTok, all the platforms. So what does that balance look like for you? - Yeah, it's such a great question. And I think social media can be like a blessing or a curse and I always say it's based on how you use it. I always say my best advice is to be creating more than you're consuming. And I think as humans, our natural instinct is to create and to be creative and to create. And so when that's blocked and all reviewing a scrolling or consuming, I think that's when social media can sometimes be doing more harm than good. And so that would be the first piece. And then two, also just knowing what style of creation interests you the most. So do you love writing? Like just writing comment to it, if you do you do love video content, do you love photography? And then choosing the channel that makes the most sense for you, I think we sometimes have this pressure of like, I have to be an Instagram creator to be successful, to be an influencer. But if it's really hard, that can also be pulling away from your creative energy. Whereas for me, I just like, I know have always loved writing. And I can write something that has so much impact and like two to five minutes that a video could take me like days to create for Instagram with the type of impact. So I think just honoring like, where are you most creative? And then finding the right modality for you. Maybe that's Pinterest, maybe it's Twitter, maybe it's LinkedIn TikTok. And then putting your energy into one. And then that's your main focus. And then doing the other ones kind of more on the side or secondary to your main channel. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, I've been trying to also take that similar approach, creating more than consuming, because it's so easy to mindlessly sit on your phone, scroll on reels, scroll on TikToks, scroll on your feed. And I'm thinking to myself the time that I'm sitting there wasting, looking at random stuff, I could be making TikTok videos. I could be like exercising my brain in a creative way to talk about my podcast, to talk about things I've learned about happiness. Like there's ways that we can engage with these platforms that allow us to tap into our creativity, then fall into the comparison trap and like all these other detrimental effects to our well-being that social media draws out of us. I'd love to hear a little bit also about the pivot that you made from the traditional path that we all take or most of us at least, where you go through, elementary school, middle school, high school, go to college for four years. Most people end up working a corporate job, right? I mean, I'm in that same position. You've traveled all over the world, your digital nomad. I feel like that lifestyle seems so glamorous on the outside and free and everyone's dream that's working in an office, I guess now maybe it's not five days a week, but still, like there is that back to office push. So tell us a little bit about that journey for you and what was going through your mind at the time to wanna take that bold leap of faith and risk and create that lifestyle for yourself. - I like to share that I've only, I worked in an office for three months ever and that was in my internship when I was commuting into Boston and that job itself was at a marketing agency. So I was still like not super corporate, but from that moment of commuting into the city and working, I knew I did not wanna be in an office. I'm very soon on in my journey in my path. I had that kind of instinct of like, this is a knot for me, so what will be? And it was more of like, it was enjoyable going into Boston in the summer, but for me it was like, okay, it's an hour now. half of the train and everyone looked unhappy. And then people are just walking mindlessly into the office. And for me, I was done with my work by like 11 a.m. But you stay there until five. And I was just already questioning like, whose rules are these? Like, why are these in place? Like, um, yeah. And like, what is beyond this? Is there something beyond this? And so, um, I worked pretty much all through college for different, like female founded companies. I worked at Bumble for a little and I worked with a lot of e-commerce like startups in the like the female empowerment space. And so I had that experience of working online like while at college. And I would never go to the library to study. Like, I was always laying in the grass studying. So I always knew like remote work works for me. I knew what made sense. I knew where I was most creative. And when I went to apply to jobs after or I graduated, um, I knew I only wanted to apply to fully remote jobs with the intent of traveling. And I always said like, I'll book a one-way flight and it works. Comes to us. I'll just come back if it doesn't feel good, if it doesn't work, if I don't feel like I'm doing well at my at my job. Um, and so I booked a one-way flight to Hawaii. And it was amazing. Um, and extended right away. So not only was it like, it was a test to see how I did, but I also felt like, well, I'm thriving here because when you're really happy outside of your work, I believe you do better at your work. And this doesn't just come from travel. I think like what you're doing is amazing. It's like you're teaching yoga. You are traveling to, you have your podcast. You have all these conversations. Like, I believe when we, when companies empower us to, you know, enjoy outside of work, it's way more powerful also for our results and our satisfaction. Um, and so yeah, I traveled for three years working out that company and met other girls that I traveled with who were also remote. So we all just ended up like traveling together. Um, and of course, there's pros and cons of nomadding, which I'm like happy to share about too. Of, of course, we see the highlight reel, but it's not for everyone. There are a lot of hardships and it's not like once you leave your problems disappear. Like if anything, they amplify. Um, but it was incredible. Like I, I would not change that experience for anything. Um, and I spent the most time in South Africa and fast forward after three years at this company, I went to a wellness retreat and did, uh, yeah, there's a lot of more deep inner work around breath work and fell in that moment. Like my intuition really speaking to me, which was like, I was done with my role at that company and to like, leave with no plan and had this really gotten instinct of like, there's something else out there for me. And I've like learned everything I could at that company. And that was like that leap of faith I took to, um, leave and take intentional time off to then create, um, and pivot to what I'm doing now within the health and wellness and personal branding space. Wow. I mean, what a journey. I feel like just from traveling alone, like how much life experience you couldn't get in just those three years, you made a comment how when you about like there's some of the hardships with digital nomadding and when you leave a place, you think your problems disappear, but they amplify. Can you talk a little bit more about that? Is there like a particular moment that comes up for you or can you just elaborate more on that? Because I found that to be a really interesting point. Yes. Yeah. And I think a lot of this is like, no digital nomads, myself included, like we don't help the case and that it's glamorized because people can only assume what they can see, right? So that's also part of my journey of like authentic posting more authentically. Because if we believe like, oh, they don't know this full scope of what's happening, it's like, of course, because I can't see that. And so the mind only sees these highlight reels on social media. So the first thing is that just social media isn't real. Like people are posting the best of the best and they're not really posting the behind the scenes. There's some travel creators that I've seen that are doing an amazing job of doing that. Yeah, but some examples is just you're constantly meeting people and then saying goodbye. And so that comes up for me first of like, you make these amazing connections sometimes within 24 hours because you have this level of, you know, shared similarity is or background or understanding of each other. So you can connect with someone within like a day and then you're leaving. And so I think it's hard to form these deep connections. And it's hard to always be saying goodbye. It's like amazing. You have friends all over the world, but the flip side of that is that it's tiring to always be, you know, having a home all over the world also gets quite hard. It's like your people are everywhere, whereas like when you're in one spot, your people are right there. So that, and then the other piece is just the pace in which you travel. And so I think a lot of nomads when they start, they get super excited where they're like, I'm fully remote. I'm going to go travel the world. So I want to do as much as I can. And then burnout is really easy to happen. Whereas you're traveling so quick, you're not actually living there. And so my advice for anyone like looking to nomad is like, how do you view it as living instead of traveling? Because if you're traveling for a long period of time, it's going to leave to burn out. Whereas how do you treat every day like you're living somewhere? And so I think that's a big misconception that people don't realize when they get into it. Because you'll get burned out if you don't have these routines or systems in place. And you're always tempted to do something. That's like, I'm in Greece. Like, I'm in Greece for one month, but I don't want to go to the gym or have my morning routine. Like, I want to go explore. And so that happened to me for years. It was like, Oh, I'm like out of this routine because I'm in all these new places. Yeah, that's such a good point. When you're out of routine, at least for myself, it's really, I something is off. Like I really don't feel good. And maybe it doesn't have to be like the most strict morning routine ever, if you are on the road. But what are those like few grounding practices that you can do that help you kind of like feel in control of your day? Like feel like more like you're coming back to your sense of home within yourself. That's a good point you make to around kind of having friends all over the world. It's like a beautiful thing, but it's also really hard to feel like a sense of like one community in one spot. And I don't know when I travel, I've noticed this about myself. I am way more open to spontaneity. And like maybe I'm in a different head space where it feels like things just like happen right as they're meant to. And I feel like I get like an influx and abundance of opportunity and cool things happening. And then I come back to New York. And I'm like, where is the joy and the excitement with the place that I've lived in basically my entire life? And I don't know if other people who are listening maybe feel similarly if they've been in a city for X amount of years, they're really comfortable and they're craving this change to what degree is it, you know, the comfort that's holding you back and the travel is what's getting you out of that? Or can you bring that travel mindset to your day to day? Because it's something I've been struggling with a lot. As you know, I had a really beautiful summer and spent some time, I spent a lot of time, oh, actually, and I'm going back to Europe like this week. I'll say over the course of a few months, I've spent maybe like five weeks not in New York over the summer, which is a decent amount of time. And coming back, I'm just like nothing is exciting. Like things don't feel exciting. And I can't discern whether or not that is a problem of like I've grown to be too comfortable here and it's time for something different. Or if travel has taught me how to be more go with the flow and grow into myself more and I can take that mindset and bring it into a space where I'm fortunate to have that community of my people in one place at the same time. So I'd love to hear your thoughts on that because I'm sure a lot of people are, you know, who have hit that point in their lives and their careers where they're kind of like this feels bleh. Like I need a shake something up, but I don't know what that looks like. Yes. Now it's it's such a good point and I think it's such a balance because I think it's easy to associate like this joy and excitement outside of your present experience. But I think that's when travel can get a bit addictive. And I think like it's also cultivating that within yourself. And so I think for me like really going down this spiritual path, it's like, okay, travel is this outer experience. And then how do you go back inward, which I know is like a lot of your work with yoga and what you teach to. It's like this inward experience. And also I think so much of us see happiness externally. And so it's like the next flight, the next meal, the next activity when it's like how do we cultivate that joy and peace within ourselves. So it's been such a contrast for me to have this outer experience of travel and new experience and I love newness like I still reflect back on college my favorite semester was like the first master the first month and I think that's why there's such a thrill of travel for me but it's also this balance of like what is this inner world look like because if you're constantly chasing external like satisfaction it's gonna be a hard balance so and the other piece which I've recently discovered is I think that we bring and yoga says this too it's like we bring joy to every interaction and every experience so the joy that we might see in Greece in Croatia it's like that's also within us I think we just are more likely to see that there and so I try to remember that when I'm back in my hometown or back in a place it's like that joy is still within us it's just it's just a reflection on the person that we're with on the place that we're in and challenging the norms of places so of course walking the streets of New York City is different but like you know this connection and saying hello and like what you love in a place and an experience that you've had traveling like how can you try to bring that back to where you are and so I'm constantly trying to do that too except in different environments I remember I was in New York City and they're like you probably should not be saying hello to everyone you pass on straight yeah it's like be careful who you talk to I think that's a point though because it's like to do that I think is a practice to help you not completely outsource your joy and I talk about this but then I still fall victim to it too because I'm only human like I can't I can only practice what I preach to a degree like it's a it's a daily practice the lifelong practice to try to check myself and remember that like there is that source of joy within me and I have to work on cultivating it within myself I'm really curious to learn more about your experience especially in South Africa where you've spent a lot of time I've only met a few South Africans in my lifetime and one thing that seemed to be very uncommon across the people that I've met and interacted with is this like love for the family and like being very family centric and my gut is telling me like that value is probably what contributes to their happiness or at least on the outside seeming to be more warm and open and happy and joyous I'm curious to hear your reflections on that and just living there for so long what what about that that culture did you really lean into and what did you learn from the South African culture when you think about joy and excitement and living in presence. It's interesting you bring that up because I've I've journaled on this before I don't think I've like publicly shared this piece yeah on my thoughts on just the balance of family life and the US like in the US I think you it's like a you get like a gold medal it's like amazing the younger you are to move out of your house I think that's kind of the thing here it's like oh they left at their house right after college whereas like in other countries like in South Africa for sure but also other countries that I've lived in like it's very common for you to live with your family all the way up and totally or married and even when you're married sometimes kids are still living or you know your children are still living with parents and at first because that you have this judgment or this conditioning from the US it's like oh that's kind of weird like they're 30 and they're still living at home or they're 35 and they're married and they're still with their parents and so you have this initial reaction and then I think through travel you realize like why do I think that way and then you see like wow there's this beautiful bond and connection and this community and then I kind of contrast it to the US where it's like okay we we move out at 21 or 22 that's amazing but then it's like we get in like a big apartment building with ourselves and we live alone and that's like a staff like that's also like a status thing and then we're building up these walls basically with our connections and our families and it's not the case for everyone but I think there is that community piece and you see like in certain blue zones and Europe or people that have like longevity that community is the biggest piece and so yeah I've really compared it was like oh I have this judgment towards you know this 35 world that lives with their parents but then at the same time you live alone in a higher eyes disconnected and you're you know there's higher rates of depression or anxiety or isolation and so is there a middle ground and like are we actually doing it the right way it's like there's no right way you know yeah it's so interesting that you journaled about this and I asked a question basically about this it's something I've been thinking about too because you know a lot of a lot of the friends that I've made in New York are not from here and there's this hunch that I have that eventually they'll go back to the city that they're from one of the driving factors to the desire to move back to your hometown is to be close to your family and it's like why do we feel this need to individuate so much or go so far away from our parents just to eventually return like think about all the time that you're missing and I mean this is I'm thinking out loud as I speak about this because I'm really fortunate that my parents are so close by and in a way maybe I've kind of taken it for granted because I've had it basically my whole life and now I'm really trying to be cognizant of taking advantage of the fact that they're so close because there might be a day when they're not so close if I move if they move like who knows what could happen and you know this is just funny like yesterday I was a Monday and I had nothing to do after work and I could have just kind of relaxed at home or gone for a walk and I ended up just calling my mom and be like do you want to just go for a walk together and it was that like intentional quality time that I feel like was so special to have but it's not something that I feel like our culture like necessarily values or appreciates like the intentional time with family and I don't know it just something I've been thinking about recently like how having access to family is like a really sacred and special thing was that something that was on your mind as you were digital nomadding to like especially being so far away from your family yeah it's interesting because this is like a very common conversation among nomads and I went to a digital nomad conference actually in June which had like 800 digital nomads there and this was like a conversation that kept coming up where there's a difference I think between like quantity of time and quality of time and so as nomads I think when you go back and see family you're way more intentional with your quality of time whereas sometimes I think the if you are living close it's like checking a box like oh I have this value of family because we live 20 minutes away but the thing that I think nomads are more aware of is like what is the quality of time because we don't have that much time with our friends we're maybe with them for one month and then we go to another country and then we're back with family maybe for a month and so I think the quality piece is way more top of mind rather than just like quantity like I see them every now and then or we're like proximity but are you actually like close and so I think that's something that really has become more aware for me of like we they can be close but are you actually spending time with them too you know in that intentionality I think it just gets heightened because you have to have it heightened when you are there for less amount of time yeah that's a really good point and I love that you bring up this term intentionality because I think no matter if you're a digital no matter not it's so important to live life with intention and sometimes the best way to I think do that is when you're faced with like the complete opposite end of the spectrum where you're realizing you've not been living intentionally like sometimes I think we need these extremes to get us to some sort of like baseline or middle ground and I think that like for me this idea of intentionality is really just like being present I think like not living in a distracted way but being right where my feet are at and I don't know it's is this something that for you has become more apparent just through being like in so many different places in your life like it's so many different locations meeting so many different people or was this something that came to you through that wellness retreat like when did that kind of become front and center in your mind and in the way that you live your life yeah I think a couple things come to mind like the first I don't know if you're familiar with Eckhart toll but I saw him speak when I was in Cape Town in South Africa and he wrote the book The Power of Now and I had read that and then I knew he would I saw he was coming to Cape Town and so his talk and his books, it's all around like the power of now and that all we really have is the present moment and that our mind can wander to like the past or the future but like this presence is the only thing that truly exists and I think that can get harder like when you know mad in a way because you are missing people in different places so it's like a practice that I think is I've always worked on it's like how can I try to just be where I am even though maybe I'm flying somewhere the next week or I'm planning this trip and so the downside is that I don't love you know having to plan the next thing because I think it takes away from where I am and the other thing around intention that it's kind of like a side no but I I use intention working with people with building their brands and I think and having an intention related to your brand or just life I like intention rather than goals but I think intention can help us achieve what we want so much faster and specifically we talk a lot about intention with brand building and the ripple effect of like how do you set your intention of why you're even posting in the first place because I think so many people start posting or building their brand without even knowing their why or their their their original intention and so I think that can really just help you like really create your own reality of like where am I headed based on what I want and then how do you work backwards from there of your end intention yeah that's a good point I feel like um it's very easy to be mindless when especially when sharing things online or um I even had this moment where I like two years ago I think it was about I just kind of lost my why I had had it at a point and then I realized that the why that I was operating under was like not actually in service of me or like the process of building it was more from like like an egoic perspective and I didn't like that like it was really hard to admit that to myself that my why was no longer about like like effectively community building but it was more like coming from this lack was coming from like oh I'm not doing enough so my why is that I'm gonna just keep doing more to keep doing more so that it'll eventually be enough but like that is such a negative spiral to go down so I was I had this like reckoning with like oh what is actually my why and I had to actually take some time away to figure that out and figure out why and this is gonna sound ridiculous but why my why was the way it was like I had to better understand where that was coming from oh it's very powerful to do that type of work with entrepreneurs and people who are building brands and companies which I think is a great segue into talking a little bit more about what you're doing now working with founders and creatives and building your brand the ripple effect so can you talk a little bit more about what that journey's been like for you and where you're headed with the ripple effect what excites you about what you're doing you make such a good point about the why and I think so many of us actually don't even reflect on what our why is but I think especially with building creating being a founder um influencing it's like you need that why because not every day is gonna be smooth sailing instead of having something to fall back on which is like what is this purpose what is my why what's my overall mission I think it's just so important especially yeah as you're creating something so I so resonate with that and I think also just giving yourself grace that that can change in time and I think that was my biggest realization like when I was building my brand building my brand on LinkedIn it's like my why and my brand also grew with me in time and so I'll share a little bit about um the ripple effect so I created the ripple effect which is really a movement to get more soul-led authentic content on LinkedIn and so working with soul-led female leaders, conscious leaders, another part of the mission is really to get more light workers more healers more people within the spirituality space on LinkedIn feel like typically we see these voices on podcasts or Instagram and I had this realization of like wow these role models in my life aren't on this platform and this platform has so much power yet I'm seeing all of these you know CEOs incorporate men with power and I really want and more spiritual like healers and these are really the voices I think that with the voices still on LinkedIn is gonna change the world I'm bringing in more of this healing and this remembrance as well so when I left corporate I had been building my brand around text message marketing which is like the software I was selling and I just saw how powerful it was to really establish this credibility with what I was selling what I was doing so even to this day I still get messages like asking for text message marketing and so what I learned was like then I started integrating travel and digital nomadding and that allowing yourself to shift and evolve with your brand and then when I left my my job I basically was like I have two choices one I can stop posting until I have a title or two I can lean into authenticity and actually share that I'm choosing to leave and I actually have no idea what is next and that I'm really like scared but it happened and like there was no other option other than for me to trust my intuition and so basically it's this movement of just like building in public but like not even building it was just being open and honest and it was for what I wish I saw because obviously it's a human experience to not know sometimes or to feel a calling to leave and I felt like I didn't see any of that content on LinkedIn and so it felt like this lonely leap of faith where once I started writing that way I've called in huge audience of people who feel the same or people who have gone through a similar path they just haven't shared that and so with my goal of the intention with the brand how that weaves in is like I set an intention to pivot into like the health and wellness and spirituality space and I basically reverse engineered like how do I create my brand to call in this opportunity the founder this company and that's how it happened I shifted into the spiritual wellness space worked with an app ended up going to Udomonia that was around the same time and then right around then was started out that company then they asked for support on their LinkedIn personal brands because they're like we don't know how to talk about spirituality on LinkedIn and from there I launched the ripple effect because spirituality can feel very esoteric and business can feel very corporate and buttoned up and serious and it's like taking like spirituality isn't soft but there's power and like the softness that comes with that and how you apply it to a more quote-unquote hard world more masculine energetic like space right which I think is really interesting and also just the fact that like LinkedIn's been the platform that you've leaned into I think is fantastic because I think the platform now is also favoring creators who are opening up in this way and they there's like this movement now like I think the platform is supporting people like yourself to build their brands to build their voice in a similar way that I feel like even sub-stack is blowing up and and people are sharing their voices on that on that platform too so I think like the timing was really amazing for you but also the fact that like you're bringing this like really kind of almost like taboo perspective to a corporate platform shakes things up in the way that I think it needs to be shaken up when we're talking about like showing up as ourselves at work and like being authentic and being human in the workplace like you have to live those values you have to express those values and so it would it would only make sense that LinkedIn would be a platform to support that kind of storytelling if if we're saying that people are happier at work when they're happier in their own personal lives like how do we express that how do we show up as our whole selves with the people that we're working with um so I think it's really remarkable yeah and into your point about the creator space and LinkedIn like I truly believe we are at the very like beginning of the creator space on LinkedIn like only one percent of people actually post on LinkedIn right now and so there's such a saturated market especially for coaches or founders or creatives on Instagram whereas LinkedIn it's just this open space um also with like more buying power it's like you see a lot of coaches or founders trying to launch on TikTok and it's sometimes difficult because it's like okay you can have so much interest but then what is the buying power who are these people whereas like you have you're talking actual you know their profiles where legit they have a profile and then the average income of a user on LinkedIn is 70k and so your channel. talking to more like established audience in terms of buying power for what you do create too. So think both of that goes hand in hand, which is just yeah so interesting and I think also for creators like video is also comment on LinkedIn and you can also not have to like back to the point before like curate your profile like you'd have to do on Instagram or feel like you have to do on TikTok whereas you just write and your profile can refine the right people through your words and connect suddenly. That's a great point. I want to pivot a little to talking more about happiness given that everyday endorphins is all about cultivating joy in life and you had this really beautiful post on Instagram that I saw recently. It was like a real of you doing yoga in a scenic background and I was like I want to be page right now but the text on the video was really beautiful like message about happiness being cultivated within. So a few final questions for you. The first is how do you define happiness? Was there a particular moment in your life that made you rethink what it means to be happy? I love this question. Yeah I think I think happiness to me goes along with just defining it for yourself. I think happiness I think right away of success right and like what there's mean and I think defining what success means to you or what your intention or your goal is in your life and then knowing what that is for you so that you're not striving for someone else's definition of success. I think that can lead towards a lot of unhappiness where maybe you are experiencing unhappiness but is that because you're not attaining someone else's? So I would say yeah finding what success and joy means to you and then following that to cultivate that happiness with yourself. Yeah we get really caught up in the comparison mindset for sure. Thinking that like someone else's path is what we need to replicate and if we don't do it then we're not going to be happy or thinking that you know we want what someone else has so what we have is never enough. I mean another guest of mine said something so beautiful about how happiness is a state of gratitude. It's a feeling that comes when you are grateful and to practice gratitude it's also a practice that gets you in the present moment and it's like being in that state is what brings more of the joy and happiness in life so I like that response like adding on to that it's like not measuring up your own self-worth or happiness or idea of success against someone else's because it's unique to you. And to that too I think we might expect ourselves to be happy when we follow what we think success should look like and you see that people earning seven figures at a corporate job and asking themselves why they're not happy they have the car they have the house they have the relationship and they're not happy and so I think it's important to define like do I wall that stuff before you're just striving for all of that and then you might not experience this happiness that you've been seeking where maybe it's like within yourself and your own definitions yeah we get very lost in chasing I think the immediate dopamine like the quick win like we want more more more more more and it's okay to want things it's okay to be ambitious and to want certain things to support a lifestyle that you want to live but it's also important to check ourselves as our human nature can sometimes defy like the principles of happiness because we operate on survival mode and mechanism right and like that's kind of the opposite of just being present because back in those days if you were just present in the moment what if there's a tiger coming to kill you like you have to be looking out and thinking that but like we're not living those times so we have to remind ourselves okay it's be great it's like a lot of unlearning I think because of our systems and just generations it's like they didn't have the privilege that we have now to have the safety where we don't have to worry about that yes exactly and this brings me to my final question for you page which is something I ask everyone on the podcast and it's really focused on finding the things in life that just spark joy so to that point I would love to hear from you what is something that brings you a bit of endorphins every day I love this question I would say what first comes up is time and nature like hiking or even just laying out in the sun I think there's something so powerful and healing about time and nature and this natural energy boost that I get from from that oh I love it and I'm sure you've had amazing exposure to nature with all the places you've traveled to so I am envious of that but there is also to that point beautiful nature to be found on the east coast and like right outside of New York City so how can I replicate that same feeling without being in a cold place like South Africa or Croatia or I mean the list goes on but nature is very healing it's a very grounding someone actually told me this once I was with a friend and she was like hiking is the one activity where you actually like can't be on your phone like where you're actually having a present conversation with someone because you can't be on your phone oftentimes you just don't have service you're not even if you do you're not just looking at your phone texting because you need to look at the ground in front of you yes yeah no it's very true that and I found a lot of like joy and rock climbing and then also yoga like yoga outside for me is also just so amazing like yoga nature um meditating in nature too and I think it's it's to your point about that it's like you don't have you know how to have your phone it's like more connection and more times where you actually like need your hands for things too exactly page it's been such a pleasure having you on the podcast I'm so glad that we were able to do this and I would love for you to share a little bit more about where people can find you and stay connected with you and um if they want to work with you how can they can they get in contact with you yeah thanks so much for having me it was so fun chatting deeper and further and yeah if anyone wants to get in touch on LinkedIn and Instagram and TikTok I'm on all of those channels LinkedIn I'm on the most I'm but it's my first and last name so page goldstein and that would be the best way to get in touch and then in all of those bios is a link if you guys want to go further into the work and how to potentially work together but if you've listened with love for you to say hi on any of those I'm pop forms amazing thank you so much yeah thank you it was so fun