Ep 109 TBP live january 22 2024. Best Self Help Books for Men in 2024

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Join us for cool stuff daily as we take a quick look at science, tech, and the wait, what stories that make you sound way smarter at dinner. Subscribe to cool stuff daily now because the future is happening fast and it's way too fun to miss. (upbeat music) Okay. Hi, I'm Travis Nubble. This is the Travis Nubble podcast or what a book called "Reviving Master Linity." You can get it anywhere. Books are sold any day I'm aware. I got the opportunity on Monday, January 22nd to be a guest on a live broadcast of the Burn Pit podcast which is some guys out of Pittsburgh. You guys remember Scott, I did a one on one with him last month and this is the first time meeting that night. I had kind of figured out who he was from social media. Man, you'll see, he gets real fiery. Hey, if you're all fired up about politics and stuff that's not really my game, but great guys. We chatted a bunch after the recording was done and really enjoyed it. Anyway, this conversation, some way helps you to get your shit together. Have a great week. (upbeat music) Matt will cool it, Matty Wack, what's up brother? What's up brother? It is our favorite day in time of the week. It is our thing. I'm just putting out a little reminder for people that go to channel two today. We switched to channel two today on Spreely TV. You're watching us live on Spreely TV. Spreely is your home for free speech. It stands for Speak freely. You can find Spreely on Roku, Apple TV, and Firestick. You can download the Freedom Hub app right to your phone or smart device. It is absolutely free. Just go right into the App Store and type in Freedom Hub. All one word comes up. Once you open the app, you can select Spreely TV. You can look at the list of shows on there. They have everybody from Dominic, is Austin Peterson. The dumb show, Doug Billings, Shint, there's a lot of great content creators on there. Plus that they showed documentaries. Spreely, really doing a great job. Shout out to them. All right. Let's bring it on to guests. With us today, be a Zoom. Is a previous guest. Him and I got to basically spend a whole day together. He's over the summer. He sent me a book. He is the author of the book. Rebiving masculinity. His name is Travis Neville. Travis. Oh, he's a. What's up, fellas? So glad to be here. As always. I enjoyed my time the last time I was there. Thanks so much for being such a great host. Very welcoming. And I'm glad to be back. You were awesome, man. Yes, sir. Yeah. All right. Let's jump right into it again, buddy. Go ahead. We got. So we're here when we ended the podcast. You can find his pockets. It's a. We do recorded podcast and we do live shows. Our recorded podcast are numbered. The live shows are just live. But our last support of podcasts we put out was. Travis Neville. He's the author of Rebiving masculinity. We ended that podcast. You can find that on spree. TV. It's up there. Free to watch. When we enter the podcast, I asked Travis to give me his top five of these 18 characteristics that are right on the front of the book here. There's 18 characteristics that Travis listed as being essential to. Now, when we enter the podcast, I just asked for his top five. I guess I'm not going to be here. I'm not going to be here. I mean, here we live in a most civilized place, most civilized time in the history of human life. What the hell do you think made it that way? You know, if you don't like violence, if you think that it's not necessary or it's just a thing of the past, it is because you are outsourcing it to other people. And at this point, that's at least the police and definitely the government. And we're talking about violence in the realm of mass talking about, it isn't the actual physical activity, it's the threat of it. It's knowing that it could be there. And knowing that you are weak and will be a victim of it, right? And if you don't like that, if you don't like the fact that we live in a great country here, and we got, you know, comfortable places to live and food right down the road, and all the comforts that we have, if you really don't like that, give your house back to the Native Americans, move back to Europe, because I'm telling you what, it was violence that got you here. That's the reason that you are here. It's the reason you live in this country is because of violence. We are all of us, everyone listening to this, three of us on this show, we are descended from generations of victorious violence, okay? We are not descended from the losers 'cause they fucking died, right? (laughing) Our genetics are built for that, okay? We have been selectively bred, in fact, over generations generations up until about a hundred years ago, things got real comfortable. But you can't brace that if you want to ignore it. Do you love romcoms? Do you wish you could talk about Christmas movies year round? 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It's all the cool stuff you didn't know you needed to know. Subscribe to cool stuff daily now because the future's happening fast and it's way too fun to miss. - You're in for some trouble. - Right, it's not about bloodlust or psychosis. It's not about that. It's about Jack Donovan again, I have to relate to him because he had the essay "Violences Golden," which was great. It's elemental. Violence is just like fire. It could worm a man in his entire family or it can burn them all alive. It's needed. You have to have, I mean, if everybody on the planet Earth was nice to each other all the time and nobody ever did any harm to one another, yeah, of course, there would be no such thing as violence, but that's not reality. And reality. Yeah, to what you said, you know, all of us, all of our ancestors at some point used violence and one. That's it. - Now the second one here that he brought up, but the two that are really close together on your book Travis are honorable and honest, which are kind of closely linked there. What's your take a response on maths take then? - The whole chapters. Yeah, so they, I agree, in order to be, you know, to in order to honor something, you respect it. I would go, but it doesn't go the opposite direction just because you do respect something, doesn't mean you honor it, but if you're gonna honor it, then you do respect it. You know, like, hey man, I respect my pickup truck, but I might not honor it with a tattoo on my body, right? Like I believe I honor that, you know, it can get my kick at the job done, but I don't have to show it any sort of sign of that. I don't have to act in that fashion, but in order to accept that, in order to look at a thing or a group or anything and say, this is good, I respect it. You have to be very honest about what you're looking at. You gotta be able to say, I can list off the goods and the bads about it, whether it's a group, whether it's a political party, no matter what it is. If you can do that, it's gonna require honesty, right? And I think that's where we go wrong in this country with the culture wars as people don't take the time to really assess that instead of taking the time to analyze and looking at the details about what people are trying to cram down your throat. People just believe it and that's dishonest. It's invariably dishonest. And like Matt said, you piss on everybody who brought you here when you do that. - Yeah, yeah. All right, well, so being that you are the author of reviving masculinity and Travis, where can people pick this up at? - Anywhere, sign Amazon for sure. You can get on my website, TravisNetal.com. Pick yourself up and I deal, man, T-shirt, if you want. I got stickers, all that kind of crap. I'll sign it if you order it on the website. But yeah, Amazon for sure, you can get on Audible. It's me reading it. Jesus, that bar's a noble. I'm amazed every time I have to go in there and Google it for some reason. I find a new website that's carrying it. It's finally made its way to thriftbooks.com. So you probably get for like two bucks or something. But yeah, it's everywhere. - That's good. Let's get both of your opinions here on the modern man today here. And we're not speaking about any other country here because we're the three of us are citizens of the United States of America. And we're all three of us are proud of the country, at least the root or origin or the creation of. So math, good evening first. Breaking down today's modern man in the United States of America. Where do you think we're at as a society of men, the masculinity and all that stuff? - We kind of had a little bit of this discussion with our last guest, Alan Zabroski, where I said, Americans, you said they've gotten comfortable, I drew you 100%. We have not fought on our own land for anything since the Civil War. Okay, there's been no battle or warfare on our own land. We've never had to fight for anything here in what, 150 years issue, I guess that a little bit more than that. So that being said, all of our wars were overseas. And of course, that's 20th century. And today, in the 21st century, and I could argue that they were all unnecessary, completely unmovated, unnecessary, multiple different historians make that argument. But here on our own soil, men have gotten comfortable as Travis said because they've never had to fight for anything when it comes to violence and warfare. Now they might have to have done something with a home intruder or something like that. Police have to fight for certain things, slot team, when it goes to criminals, but as a nation, as a collective of American men, we've never had to fight for anything. We've never had to fight for, we've never had to fight for, well, we had to, but we didn't. We refused to fight for our freedom, right? We know for a fact that we're talking about American men here. We're talking about America. The Constitution of the United States is the foundation of our country, period and the story. It is the foundation. It is what this nation is built upon. Okay? Otherwise, it's just a geographic location. Okay? What makes a nation is a nation's culture and what it's made up? Okay? We don't have anarchy. We have a government and we had a constitutional republic. Those constitutional rights have been shredded since the Civil War, but again, they fought to preserve their freedom and liberty in the Civil War. Again, it's also known as the War of Southern Independence because of what Lincoln did. Number one, violator of constitutional rights. And that's not my opinion, statistical fact. That being said, even World War One, would draw Wilson came down on constitutional rights on the citizens. World War Two, FDR came down and shredded constitutional rights. And that goes through most president, I mean, I can name everything Federal Reserve, the creation of the NFA, threading Second Amendment rights, shredding First Amendment rights. COVID happens. Nobody got up and threatened the use of violence to defend their constitutional rights, to defend life, liberty and property. No one even spoke about it. Not one politician out there. Not one. Not a single one said Americans, COVID, they're shredding your constitutional rights. They agree to that. Most Republicans quote unquote, whatever that means anymore, conservatives, whatever that means, agreed that the Constitution was being shredded. What did they do? Did anybody call for the defense of life, liberty and property by the use of the Second Amendment? Nobody. Not one. Not one that I know. Trump definitely didn't. And he had power to take action, as we said. And what did the people do? What did the men of this country do? Well, half the men agreed with the Constitution depravations. and the other half, the code so-called conservative patriots. said, "Oh, we just have to cast ballots for Republicans to get our rights back." So that being said, if Christians who are mainly conservatives, most conservatives are Christians, if they believe God gives us our rights and not the government, then why are they begging government to give us our rights? That's the first, how would I say this? The first symptom, I guess, of the amasculation of men is they now have outsourced their rights and their freedom to politicians. You can see it today. All they do is beg and rely and depend for a politician to save their freedom, to make them more money, to restore any type of liberty that has been taken. They don't want to fight themselves. They don't even speak about fighting themselves. However, they wear the costume Travis, they wear the costume of masculinity. They have a don't tread on me shirt on. They even carry guns and buy hundreds of thousands of dollars in guns. Yet they never ever say that they should use it or even promote the idea of using it to defend life, liberty and property. From domestic enemies, none of them, zero. You have citizens like me saying it, but you don't have any quote unquote leaders saying it. So men have been psychologically conditioned over the past however many decades, century, post-Sovil war, to be dependent and reliant on other men, namely government officials, to give them their freedom, to give them whatever. So that is the main culprit for the amasculation of men because I don't give a shit how bad of an MMA fire you are. I don't give a shit how many guns you have. I don't even give a shit if you got Navy SEAL training. If you refuse to enter the arena for the battle of freedom and liberty, then you're coward. I don't care how bad I ask you are, I'm care how many muscles you have, how much weight you can bench. You are not violence. You are not at the fundamental function of masculinity because you refuse to use it unless you want to fight a guy in a bar who disrespected your wife or maybe shoot a home intruder. But against the greatest enemy of freedom that ever existed, a tyrannical march is police state. They will never even speak about fighting that enemy. They will never speak about fighting that evil. And in my opinion, that patriotic warrior that we had in the 1776, those people who fought for freedom on their own land, on their own soil to save their own families and their own property, that American patriotic warrior, that masculinity that we had then. I'm the host of Big Technology podcast, a longtime reporter and an on air contributor to CMBC. They come from places like Nvidia, Microsoft, Amazon and plenty more. Hey, I'm Josh Speagle, host of the podcast, Luna Tick in the newsroom. 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Nobody went hungry because the government installed socialism to replace democracy during COVID. So people were fine, right? And that's why they don't revolt. You're talking about the Revolutionary War and those are men like you said, defending their homes and the things that they own and the people. And there's no more devastating fighting for us ever. Never been, never been created anywhere, ever. No matter how many news you got airplanes, there's going to be some hick out in the woods who's going to survive and win. Think about why we won the Revolutionary War to begin with. We were over mass. We won, we protected our homes, right? Think about why we lost an Afghanistan. Those guys are protecting their homes. Look at that one man with an rifle, it's the most dangerous force in the world. But that man has been hoodwinked, I believe that he doesn't need to protect it at this play. And I got my bread and I got my NFL football TV. I'm good. And that is a sad commentary on the state of masculinity. I'm a proponent of personal sovereignty, you know, when you talk about writers, when you talk about protests, the people who, when I think about that, it's usually not people who think like we do, our people, and too, I think, sit back in their own personal sovereignty and go, I don't think I'm going to recognize that government. And I got to tell you right now, I love my country, but I don't trust at all, anyone running it. That's a different thing, okay? Those are politicians. These are people that their whole lives have been, they're just salesmen, right? That's all they do. And then we take, we take the largest accumulation of wealth and the entire history of humanity, and we give it to these jackassers. They don't know, they've never run a business, you know, other than Trump, that you can't find a politician who knows anything about doing anything with money. And yet they're, they don't get me started. Well, you are getting started. I love it. Hey, speak freely, brother. Come on. Yeah. Um, here's the state of masculinity today. When I, when I pull up to a gas station in the winter and there's a dude sitting shotgun playing on his phone while his, his girl, pumps gas, you know, there's a, she's coming out of the store carrying a bunch of shit in both her hands and he's letting her do it, you know, um, I think that there's a, there's a, there's a jam up there and it's this. She's going to tell you, oh, I'm fine. I got this. I got this because the world's telling her she needs to be independent. She needs to be a strong woman and all this shit. And he's going to buy it. He's going to, okay, well, she wants to, no one is trouble. But bro, you don't need her permission to be a good man. You don't need her appreciation for it either. So I don't give a shit if she told you she's got it. You get the fuck out of the car and you pump the goddamn gas and then you go over there and you help her carry the shit in from the store. I don't give a shit what she says to you. He's just parroting back the shit that's been told to her by the internet and social media, right? Step up and do it. Now that's a very basic example. Okay. Far less violent and large scale than, than Matt's talking about. But that's what we're missing. We're missing that step of pro activity, of stepping up and going. I'm accountable for this situation. I'm not going to be old what to do. I'm going to decide what I need to do and I can ask for, you know, I guess forgiveness later if it's not going to go well. But that's what men are missing right there is that idea that I'm supposed to be running shit. I'm supposed to be in charge. I'm supposed to know when shit's going bad and I'm not going to let outside sources tell me that. That's what we're missing. Nobody's taught that anymore. And the big part of it is we talk about this all the time. 40% of Americans are raised by single moms. You don't have a masculine fucking role model. And boys learn how to be men socially. I talk about this all the time too. You got to see a guy doing it right and they're not seeing it. You know, I'm not excusing anybody. I'm just explaining it. But that is the situation. Men aren't men anymore. You can be so successful as a guy make a ton of money, have a great family do all this shit. Never be able to do anything with your hands. You never have to fight anything, building thing, tap into that natural strength that you have. The things that define you as opposed to being a woman, you and our society can get through your entire life and never do any of that shit and be successful. And until that ends, we're going to be in trouble. I talk, I say this all time too, man, unless there's an alien invasion, you know, unless we actually have bad guys on our soil. I don't think men are going to step up, man. I wish it was different. And I earn the right to bitch about it because I fucking wrote the secret to success here. I wrote the, yeah, this is what's going to get you over it. If you can do this shit, so I'm not just going to stand a bitch. I actually offered a solution, you know, but that's what's happening, man. Guys just don't step up. Nobody's asking them to and there very frankly isn't a reason to unless you come up with it on your own like Matt's talking about, unless you see what's going on and see the changes. Shit, man, politically, you know what happened after the Civil War. All of a sudden the federal government, they like all the constitutional amendments up to the Civil War were about limiting power or most of them. And after the Civil War, most of them were about expanding government power. And it just kept getting worse and worse and worse. They kept taking away more and more and more. And you know, if you just do it by little steps, you will don't notice. I mean, those people up in charge, you know what I mean? They're not stupid. You know, they know what to do. They know how to get control. They know how to get power. Well, if the people let them take the power, then I guess they're going to have it. You see that they chip away at it slowly so that it's all right. We'll let people compromise on these little compromise. Yeah, these little compromise. I will give them. Remember what I said about compromise? Eventually it just chips and chips away at things where we're left with a shellable, usually a constitutional public. And this is my compromise. Compromise can't happen ever. You don't compromise. When it comes to good and evil, you don't compromise. If I sold sky, like, hey, sky, I hate your wife. I hate her. Well, Matt, I love my wife. Okay. Well, I want to kill her. Well, Matt, I don't want my wife to die. Okay. Compromise with me. Chopper like off. That's not a copper. You don't compromise like that. Okay. And again, I ran said this. There's no compromise between food and poison because you just end up dead. And there's no compromise between good and evil. You know, there's no, there's no negotiation between heroes and villains. You know, there's, there's no, there's no truce between liberty and tyranny. You can't do it. You can't compromise to opposing forces. You can't compromise. Got one of the other done. It's the word face and two and Travis. This will be kind of the last thing we touch on the book is men's testosterone has dropped significantly over the years. Also, we talked about the grip strength and Alan Zabrosky, Dr Zabrosky, brilliant guy. He talked about testosterone depletion in men throughout the years, whether it's through food, whether it's through a sedentary lifestyle, but also the grip strength study you did. And I, we met a real about it, but Travis, if you would, please just that kind of study that's in your book with the grip strength. And also you can touch on testosterone. You can talk about, you know, getting yourself right through exercise and eating right, whatever you want to talk about, but there is an epidemic there of depleted testosterone levels in men today. Definitely. A bunch of factors there. If you read Astral Generation by Dr. Anthony J, it's going to talk about a lot of microplastics and fluoride and in pre-ed water. I mean, I'm on a well just for that reason. There's estrogen coming into our systems from everything. So I think to some extent, if you're a young guy from birth, you're going to get more estrogen and you then we did, for example, just because of the changes in technology. But that's pretty small. Really, it's environmental. Nobody's asking you to do that shit. Matter of fact, masculinity in general is it's like not popular. Nobody wants to, it's like it's, it hurts everybody's feelings. It's offensive to everyone. You know, if you're in a school, and that's all run by women too, you know, you're a boy trying to boy things. You want to compete. You want to take risks. Dodge balls out. All the sports are gone. Most of the recesses are gone. Like hands on stuff. All the vocational education programs are being getting it. So school just becomes closer and closer, just really being female dominated, right? And, you know, degrees-wise, Americans in the 60s were 60% of the college degrees were earned by men, 40% women, now it's flip-flop. Because school is set up for boys. Yeah, testosterone-wise, the standard male testosterone level for an adult male is somewhere around 700 in the typical average. And it's dropped off significantly just in the last 14 years. I don't know why it's exactly that amount, but average right now is down to the low 400s, which if you went into your doctor right now and you tested at 400, he's going to be like, "Bro, is your dick work, even?" I mean, like, that's pretty low, right? You're going to have all kinds of problems at that level. And that's the standard at this point. You know, we're going to be fine because like you said, physical fitness aspect, you want to increase your natural testosterone. Lift heavy fucking weights. Do scary shit, man. I ride a motorcycle. I climb tall ass ladders. Every time you have that fear response, of course your body responds by producing testosterone because that's what's going to get you through any kind of dangerous thing. We're evolved that way, but nobody actually experiences any fear anymore, any real fear. You know, they're worried about some shit with the HR department at work. You know, they're not worried about roving bands of bad guys in their subdivision, right? Like their food supply croakers not at risk, right? There's no real danger anymore. So these guys just, you know, manufactured adversity, create a bunch of cortisol, which further reduces your testosterone. And you got a big fat slap sit on a couch piece of shit, man. It's the same for you. It's going to emasculated, man, that, you know, don't, don't do anything. And Alan Zabroski said he said, "How feminine the girl or the men looked and how in shape and fit the females looked." But we can still go back though, Travis, in the 1770s, 1780s during the, you know, civil war, or I'm sorry, revolutionary war. Those men weren't weightlifters, you know? They weren't weightlifters. And that being said, I still, you brought up fear. And I still believe that has a lot to do with it. It's having that courage, right? Now, I think you have bold, you don't have courage on you, you have bold being bold, but the same thing, right? So courage, you don't have the courage anymore. There's people that won't even, they won't even say certain things because they don't want to be called a racist or a Nazi or a fascist. So they won't even say certain things. So then they self-sensor. I don't want to say that. I don't want to involve myself. And I'm sorry, go ahead. Yeah, and then they ironically they become a part of the problem. As soon as I'm being afraid of that shit, but fear I'm talking about is different than that. Like it's like a physical response. That's actually good for you when you're experiencing sometimes. But you're right, man. The guys won't even, I've watched this happen. So I'm sitting with a bunch of guys that I know. It's actually a friend of mine and a friend, a bunch of his friends. And this commercial comes on about how women retire with less money. And I watch them kind of slowly kind of roll their eyes and look at the ground. Like, motherfucker say something. You know what I mean? I disagree with it too. Women don't work as many hours as men. I'm not making that up. That's statistical fact. Men were on average work four more hours per week than women do. Men don't take maternity leave like women do. There's a million reasons why men retire with more money. Men are also more factual and you know logical about how they think. So of course they men are more, as I was a high school teacher for a long time. Boys are better at math and science. What does it take to invest well in retire well? Fuckin math. Right? Girls are better at English and art and shit like that to create a better them. Is that gonna help you make more money? Fuck no, it's not. There's a million reasons why it isn't because the fucking patriarchy. So what I'm telling you, yeah, guys self-sensor. And now you're a part of the problem. Instead of bitch, instead of being like, man, I can't stand this. You are becoming part of the problem. You are causing it to get worse. Yeah, remember that. Well, I did want to get. It takes today on a current event issue. We'll get to that in a second. Also, Travis, if you wouldn't mind hanging around with us, we'd do a word association game at the end of the show. And what I did is I grabbed a list of names of gentlemen that you quoted in your book. Okay. And I'm gonna say their name and both you and Matt can give your take on what you think about them. The word association association game doesn't have to be one word response. You can say whatever you want about that individual. But Matt, to your point before we get into this story today, what's going on in Texas with the governor, taking matters into his own hands, so to speak, in the border crisis. I will say this. We've talked about this a little bit. Evangelical Christians do mostly vote on the rights out of things, the Republicans. And they will say, you know, this is a Christian nation, right? But they won't do anything about what's going on in this country. And there's a verse in the Bible that I think is absolutely hasn't done the Christian community good. And that's the turn the other cheek. Yeah. But today, Christians today are actually this impotent. They do nothings. They bend the knee and they don't stand up for what they believe in. They don't. They are looking for a savior like a Donald Trump or somebody that's going to even compared him to Jesus. Marjorie Taylor Green is one of them. I've seen that. And this is just my take on things. You have to take action. You look throughout the stores in the Bible. David was a man of action. He grabbed those stones. He slayed the life. Jesus Christ himself was a man of action. He walked into that temple and he saw them selling goods. And what did he do? Made whips out of cord and repeat the hell. He chased them out. He chased them out. So my advice to those and I grew up in a Christian hustle. My mother people were he chased. He was chasing out a certain group. He won't have the bell today. So but but my mother today she is a professor at Geneva College here in Beaver Falls at it. It's a Christian college. But um, hi, this is Alex Cantrowitt. I'm the host of Big Technology podcast. A long time reporter and an on air contributor to CMBC. So each week on Big Technology, I bring on key actors from companies building AI tech and outsiders trying to influence it. Asking where this is all going. So if you want to be smart with your wallet, your career choices, and meetings with your colleagues and at dinner parties. Listen to big technology podcast wherever you get your podcasts. There's no action there. There's not even any things being spoken towards taking action. And you can argue that more of the world is coming into the church and the church is going out to the world. The church is being affected with certain things. You go walk into a church today and the songs that they're singing, it's not like you'd sing to a lover, like a lover, or something like that. It's not what the church has been increasingly weakened throughout the years. And that's a huge part of things. For us to be a Christian nation, Christians don't stand up at all. It's a very, they become a very weak religion in my opinion. But news of the day, Travis, what we're doing with, and this this migrant crisis at the border, it's been going on for some time. In fact, multiple decades it's been going on. But the governor has kind of taken matters into his own paintings where he's activated national guardies, also used local beliefs, kind of sheriffs, things like that to apprehend and basically do the job of ice map. What do you think about this? And I have something just came up on the feet of it was kind of a breaking story and I'll say that in a second. Well, I mean, I'm glad he did that. Of course, it's been going on for 30 years. So I don't know why I finally took him this long, but at least he did it. Now, hopefully, they're being successful. However, I am not sure how many are already in the country. And I'm not sure what governor Abbott is actually doing with the people that he catches. This is the breaking news story right here right now. And I'll say, it's like the Travis, what's your take on all this? Man, it's, it's Confederacy. And I love that. Here's what it is. It's the States going fuck you, federal government. We're going to do what we know is right. And this is what personal sovereignty is about. It is about, hey, I won't recognize your power. Anytime somebody revolts or sorry, anytime somebody has a protest, it means that you recognize that there's a bad guy there and you're essentially begging them for something. Some sort of charity, some sort of, you know, help. And you can't be sovereign if you do that. Because sovereignty means that I recognize myself as the power. I'm recognizing myself with as the, and I think that's what Texas is doing. They're like fuck you, central government. This, this ain't right. We're going to go down there and take care of it. I read this morning, got a buddy who's pretty hooked into Pottle Ticks in Arkansas. They sent help. I saw a graphic earlier where geez, like 20 other states are are joining with Texas on this one. Man, I love that. I mean, I love that. And the federal government's role at this point will never be to push back on the states. The role should be, this is what the states wants. States want that. We have to do. I mean, there is no such thing as 40 states of the union against the federal government because the federal government should be representing those 40 states, right? If things are working the way they're supposed to work. So we shall see, man, I love that Texas stepped up and did that. It's exactly what Matt was talking about. They are stepping out of their comfort zone and doing something about it. Now, I don't know exactly what's the election season to. It's right. Yeah. I was thinking about that to be here, but who knows? Like, I hope I really do hope they are taking true action. Everything's being handled correctly. Yeah. Well, this is then when we, since we've been on, the US Supreme Court voted five to four to allow federal agents to cut the razor wire that Texas installed. Actually. Yeah. So the Supreme Court has come out and said the feds can go down there and take down the wire that they put up. Yeah. I'll take that. Well, here, here's what they can do. It's so just going out what we're on. So federal, by the way, federal agents. So that could be that could be anybody that's under the Department of Justice, headed by Merrick Garland to think. But Governor Abbott can himself with state police and national guard are along with any county sheriff and any local police department. They are allowed to under the United States Constitution and US law code arrest every single one of those federal agents for breaking the law. Now it is clear and I've said it, well, I said it on this show before. It's an undominic is a show title eight section 1324, the US law code. It is illegal to harbor or protect or aid or whatever illegal immigrants. It is literally in the US law code. And also article four section for the US Constitution, the federal government's job is to do what? Protect the country from invasion and and no invasion and domestic violence. This would be invasion. So it's in article four of the Constitution that the government's responsibility to protect from and this is an invasion. Am I wrong? Is it an invasion? I don't think so. Travis, is it invasion or people invading the country? Not if the federal government's open in the door saying come on in. Right. So they're aiding the you're helping the invading. Yeah, for sure. And that's illegal. It's shit that you guys. This is actually hugely significant. Okay. This doesn't these types of moves right here that you're talking about. Scott. I'm kind of glad that you just said that. I don't like the outcome of it as far as I don't like the federal government pushing back. But the fact that they are that creates conflict. What's Texas going to do now? How are they going to raise the stakes? We're one step away from Fort Sumter. Okay. And it isn't. This doesn't result in a civil war. This results in a revolution. It's a very different thing when the people overthrow the federal government. That is a revolution. This is not going to be states versus the states. Don't forget, man, it liberal versus versus conservative liberals are afraid of guns. They don't fucking have any. There's no set there's never going to be a civil war here. Okay. That's a one sided thing. It's over in 15 minutes, but a revolution. That's a different thing. Okay. And that's what we're talking about right now. Make no mistake. We just need law enforcement to enforce the law. And they didn't during COVID. So I don't know if they're going to do so now. But I'm curious to find out what happens. But again, every law enforcement agent within every city, county, and the state of Texas is allowed to use violence against these criminals who are breaking the law and harboring and supporting illegal immigrants. That's just a fact. So how does that shake out then? We come back to our violence argument. Okay. Whoever has the most the largest threat of violence at that moment. That's and willing to use it and willing to use. Well, that's the threat, right? And the sheriff's Travis County sheriffs can deputize anyone. The whole town. Yeah, you can have an all-in-depth you ties night. Yeah. Yeah. And I hope that's how it goes down, man. This is my question. That's your standard. I'm a resident. Yeah. I don't know, man. Just don't go to Austin because that's basically California. Yeah. That's a way of huge liberal state. Yeah. Well, I hope the governor, the governor, I've been down there and the people of Texas there, and especially law enforcement, like you said, county sheriffs. I hope they stand there ground on this one and fight back, push back. I hope that other people help, man. Yeah. Hope other states keep stepping up and heading down there. Like I said, Arkansas is involved at this point. I don't know who they center if it's just a gesture. If they actually send some real power, but each state's got control of its own national guard, you know, you control that state. Well, the president can federalize them though. Of course. But we'll see, man. Ultimately, it comes down to Americans doing what's right. Now, we're back to that that masculinity argument. You deciding what you think is right and moving in that direction. I just can't see American troops shooting at Americans. I just can't see it happening, man. Not other guys who are wearing shoulder patches. Okay. Those guys are not going to shoot at each other. Okay. I believe that we're all in the same team when it comes to those guys. I have friends currently who I train with. Currently, I have a few friends that are in the national guard. And I asked them that question. I said, what percentage of the national guard do you believe would fire upon the American citizens? Because I said, that's probably 20% wood 80% wooden. That's what I said. He goes, he goes mad. He goes 50 50. Are you shit me? They're so brainwashed. He said, and I only take his word for both these guys because they are in the national guard. This is just pencil domain. Yeah. Well, it's just pencil. But they said 50 50. What are the law enforcement officials doing? COVID? Yeah. They're willing to arrest people for the fine that you block down the things like that. And they're local citizens. They're your fellow citizens. Yeah. I mean, you look at what he and Smith went through. Yep. Those police officers in New Jersey are arrested him for wanting to keep his gym of them. They violated the law. And they were where he got arrested. That's in his county, in his area. It's a local police. They can't dare if did nothing. Local police. Yep. So anyways, well, we hope to the best. But we'll see what happens, man. You know, I'm excited about it very honestly. The pencils were swinging to the left for so I mean, since the early 90s when I was at college, I remember thinking, man, this shit's getting pretty liberal when I was, you know, and it's been swinging that way ever since, man, 30 straight years of that. It needs something needs to turn it back. That's a natural way of things, right? Like fashion, it's bell bottoms, then it's tight pants and pretty soon it's fucking bell bottoms again. So politically, we need to swing back and he's happy. And I think it's going to take something pretty good. Alan Zabraski said we're past the point. He goes, it's just going to be a slow death. Basically, you're just going to, you can't get out of the event horizon of the black hole. You just keep getting sucked in. You can put on some engines, maybe to slow it down, but he said, this is a Zabraski. It's not what I said. Zabraski said, he said it's already over. No shit. Well, and he is his credentials are through the roots. No, he doesn't have a great resume. But here as we're certain, uh, um, something's down today here. Uh, our guest today Travis Neville, he is the author of the Biven masculinity. Uh, he was on episode 45 of the Biven Park cast here. You can watch that on screen with TV. Uh, if you have a road food TV Apple TV fire stick down on the freedom hub, you can check out that episode. It's a great book to go and buy it on TravisNevil.com. It is fantastic. Uh, thanks to brother. But as we close down there, we're going to do what we always do, which is either a, uh, uh, wins or a word association game. So I selected some names out of your book, Travis. Right. Quotes, you did a great, he does a great job of adding in different quotes throughout the book from, uh, gentlemen that, uh, have accomplished great things. And, um, so today I'm going to name some names. Maddie, I'll start with you first. Yeah. And then Travis, uh, you go and you just give me. Uh, the first thing that comes in mind or you can elaborate on, on some things. But the first, uh, one today is a mutual friend of both of ours as far as podcasting goes. Uh, he's been a guest on Travis Neville's podcast. He's also been a guest on our podcast. He was, uh, the author of the way of men, Jack Donovan, Maddie. Yeah. I said just in the, uh, interview with Ian Smith. I mean, Jack Donovan's book, the way of men change my life. I mean, he single handedly turned me into the person I am. Today to basically, I mean, you guys notice I have no fear to speak. I have, I literally know fear. I want an FBI watch. I've got denied. I was denied my suppressor tax stamps to all of them. Um, um, people talk about me all the time. I've been in a newspaper called every name in the book. I just don't care. Okay. And, and Jack Donovan taught me to like beat fearless to have that courage. Strength, I already always worked out. Um, you know, but, but I would say 2017 after hearing, I mean, after, after hearing his video, speaking about his, um, essay, Javailant's golden, my brother had sent me his three books. He sent me a collection of his essays, which is called a sky without Eagles. He sent me becoming a barbarian in way of men. I'll tell you what, way of men and becoming a barbarian. Those two books just changed my life. I'm that dude was spot on however. Again, and I mean this in the nicest, lightweight possible. He has changed his perspective on things. He's changed his way. He's not the same guy. He doesn't promote the way of men becoming barbarian style narratives anymore. And I think it's more of a theatrical money making, uh, lifestyle he has now. And it's just not interesting to me. And I'm not seeing those four tactical virtues that he spoke about in the way of men coming from him anymore. I'm just not seeing it. Uh, if I first were to think of his inspiration, I don't mind that maybe he has a guy. Is it not exactly the same as is what he preaches, so to speak? Uh, because what he preaches is out there. And it's a thing for you to that'll change your life, Maddie. It's a thing that when I read it's the same thing I can stand on that. And from there go do great things. Sure. Uh, and he had the courage to do what he had the courage to write it down. He was doing it 10 years ago. I mean, it's still unpopular. It's shit, you know, when I put out stuff about masculinity instantly, you know, I'm a misogynist. And I have to be a racist because I'm white. Now this other bullshit. Uh, this is 10 years ago, 10 years later, 10 years ago, when things weren't quite as bad as they are now, he was willing to do that shit. Took a big ass risk. So I admire his courage for sure. Sure. Yeah, that's the word that comes to mind for me, man, inspiration, because from there, from what he did, you can go out and do, you know, apply that to your life. And you better. Next one, Jocco will like. Well, I do have his book. I read his book. Extreme ownership. I saw a couple of his videos and stuff, you know, speaking on Joe Rogan, formerly, he's still black. I mean, 100% honorable noble guy. I mean, I like him. I don't have anything bad to say about him. I wish again, I'm an extremist. I just wish he would push more, you know, towards he took a note of the protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign domestic as a, you know, military operative. So I believe that he needs to, as everyone does, he took that off. I think he needs to push that a little bit more. Maybe he will in the future. And again, it's not a bad thing. No one's doing it really. But I think guys like him are very important pushing, driving people to become better and from men to become better. And again, he's a good guy. He's never, I don't think he's backpedaled from anything. I don't think he's, he's sunk into any. Or, or, or, you know, I don't think he's pulled back on any of that philosophy that he teaches. So I mean, he's very inspiring and I give him, he's a good guy. Right? Passed out, you know, it is military service and I'll forever be thankful for that. And that's enough. I get it, man. I put in my 10 years in education. I feel like I served my time helping other people. But he is a natural leader. Okay. And good for you, man. You found a way to make a bunch of money off of that. I'm not going to fault him for that. But where we need him, if he really truly believed in masculinity and, and making our country better at this point, he has to get inside the system and fix it from within. He's the type of guy with the connections. He's the type of guy with the personality, the smarts back on all of it. He could run for any office he wanted to agree when, and he would help us. Okay. If he got in there, he's at least supplanting some Jag Off that doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about. Okay. If he does that, I'll really be impressed. For now, he's, he's satisfied making a bunch of money on the speaking circuit doing all that. And again, I don't fault him for that. But we need more. We need more. That's all. Right. Next one. We're going to go. Let's go through these ones a little bit faster. Yeah. Okay. Nicholas Tesla. Well, I tell you what that dude was, that dude was the man. He was way ahead of his time. Way ahead of his time. I mean, he had an innocent. Was a cock. He doesn't get enough credit. Nicholas Tesla. No, he, well, I think now it's sort of like this, you know, subculture of people who know the truth about him. I think I think he does. He's even been portrayed in multiple movies, but he was the man. I mean, he's better than Edison. He was up there as one of the greatest. Oh, that's a nice. Abrahamson. How? Why? Is he next to you? Do you want to say about him? I'll go ahead. Go ahead. Nicholas Tesla. Yeah. Brilliant. Got it. It's smart. So like can do things that he was the Elon Musk of their time. And then that, all right, Clint Eastwood. I mean, great actor, great filmmaker. He's pretty outspoken. I'm only with two. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, I mean, he spoke out against against liberal stuff, liberal policies, you know, far left policies. But yeah, I mean, solid, solid guy, solid actor, solid movie director, you know, all in all, a good guy. I like him. Yeah, completely unwoke. Yeah. That's stainless stainless as far as I've been certain that guy. All right, here we go. Albert Einstein. Complete fraud. Cut got caught multiple times plagiarizing stuff. I can prove it to you. I can show you all the information. I've done it before multiple stuff written. Of course, he gets credit because he's a certain ethnicity. So he gets the victimization card and he gets credited and put in Hollywood movies. And he's obviously elevated to a ridiculous status. If anybody wants the information, I can show you what a fraud he was. Employed your ass. All right. How about this? Great hair. I'm going to go. Nothing guys. You like great hair, man. Henry Ford. Great industrialist. I'll tell you what, this guy was ahead of this game. I mean, he revolutionized the car industry. I think he created the 40 hour work week. Am I right? Yes, he did. Yeah. So this guy was really, really good. I think I can't remember what the book was. He put a book in every one of his videos. It was really good. Yeah. But I'll tell you what, this guy was in my opinion. And this guy had all the know all and where it was all to make this country great when it comes to business and industry. Right. Anti-Semite. Hey, the Jews had a newspaper in Dearborn. The town where Ford was born. Ford still operates out of Dearborn, Michigan. Hey, the Jews so much. In fact, his newspaper was so anti-Semitical. I can't remember how you say that. But what he chose to do was this. He said, I'll pay black people the same as white people. And so black people flooded into Michigan from the south. And the only reason he did that was because the only way he could chase the Jews out of Michigan was with black people. So if you cruise around different towns, suburbs of Detroit and Michigan, you're going to find a bunch of real old cemeteries filled with star David on every single headstone. The community now is all black. That's what Henry Ford's whole agenda was. I got to get rid of these Jews. I can only think of one way to do it and he actually did it. I mean, we've got like one town that's got a Jewish population at this point. I don't know if you guys knew that. All right. Next one. I think we're pretty aware of Henry Ford's record here. Okay. Next one. Thomas Jefferson. Matt. Actually, Friedman or slaves in Lincoln did. Where they all hit. Lincoln was dead before the 13th Amendment was fully ratified anyway. But I tell you what, he's my favorite president of all time. I call myself a Jeffersonian American just because I agree with his stance on a lot of different things. He wrote the Declaration of Independence. I mean, this guy was spot on. This guy, I mean, was part of the revolution. This is one of the main guys that was the reason that we're here right now. My favorite president of all time and other than that, when it comes to Christianity, he said it right. said, I am a Christian in the true sense of I believe. even the teachings of Jesus Christ. Again, everyone says he's nathieus. He's nathieus, no he wasn't. He was a deist. He didn't believe in the church. He didn't believe being part of an organized religion. Because everybody should worship the way they want to. He didn't like the church because the way the church was in England and how it got involved with the state. And he had that phrase that is real quick, separation of church and state. Now we're in the Constitution. - No, we're in the Constitution. - No, no. - Separation of church and state was actually written by Thomas Jefferson where he explains how the government needs to stay out of the church and it was written to the Danbury Baptist in Connecticut when he and him and the Danbury Baptist were writing back to each other talking about that wall of separation where the government can't do shit. That's really a forced amendment, right? Congress shall make no law in regards to the respect to religion and the free exercise there. Okay, go ahead. - Yeah, that's the point. - Smartest, most intelligent president we ever had. John, if Kennedy had a group of, and I say this in my book, a group of really intelligent young people, college students, wherever they were in the White House and for a dinner. And he said, this is the collection of the highest amount of intelligence that's ever been in the White House to have dinner with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson had dinner by himself. That's how fucking smart that guy was. - Oh. All right, last four real quick, we could be quick about these. Thomas Payne. Thomas Payne, the only known atheist founding father, common sense though, I mean, key in getting people riled up for the revolution, getting people inspired to take action. The guy was a word Smith, I really liked him. Great, great writer, great inspiration. He was, you know, he was the man when it came to getting people, getting people ready for the revolution in his writings. And I tell you what, everyone should buy a copy of common sense and read it. This is what was the main script that gave people the inspiration from fight in the war of independence. - Yeah, quote machine man. Anytime when I'm writing and I'm looking for a quote to say a certain thing. I start with Thomas Payne, man. This shit's so good. - Yeah, quote machine. - All right, last one that we gotta go. Teddy Roosevelt. - I'll tell you what, I haven't studied, looked into him too much, but that dude was, that dude was pure masculinity, a hunter, traveler. I mean, the guy was part of the light horse, I believe, was a Spanish-American war he was in, was that correct? Yeah, so, I mean, this dude was a hard, he got shot, he got shot, and then kept it very speech. And then he kept on speaking. So, I mean, this dude was a hard, poor dude. This guy was a tough motherfucker. - We need him. He was a trust buster, they call him. When there was any kind of an op-ally in business, he'd go in and bust it up. And holy fuck, do we need that right now? Big tech, big farmer, you name it. Big guy like that, he fix it all. - All right, Mark, yesterday again, Travis Neville, he's the author of Reviving Masculinity, a phenomenal bookie. This is a blueprint for today's man to get things together, so to speak, but anyways, Travis, thank you for joining. So you can find this book at TravisNeville.com or just Google search it. It is excellent. Travis, thanks for joining us. I'm gonna give you a last word in a second. I'm gonna plug one thing real quick. This Wednesday, this Wednesday, 1 o'clock PM, Matt will be a guest on the Rents of his show here on Spirits TV. Again, you can watch us every Monday. I don't know if we're gonna be on channel two going forward, but every Monday, 4 PM, turn into Spirits TV. You'll find us at the Brumpet podcast. Travis, last word to you, sir. - Go Lions, fucking Go Lions Detroit Lions are in the goddamn class. I can't fucking believe it. My whole life, they've won one playoff game. I'm almost 50. We won two this year, I can't believe it, Go Lions. - Awesome, my brother, thank you again for joining us. Thanks for everyone watching. Thanks to Studio Me and Peter, JS Regan for running the show here. Matt, thanks for being here. Everybody, thank you for out here. See ya. - All right. - Okay, so they'll close it down for us now. We don't know what to do in the house. - Well, you just think we're good. - We're good, thanks brother. Anytime you wanna be a recurring guest, just message either one of us, and you can join us on any day. We like having guests on Monday. It helps us fill some content needs and do that, you know. - Yeah, anytime, Matt, I hope I didn't step on your dick there when I kind of jumped in on you. I didn't know what the format was. If we're supposed to go back and forth, or if we just kind of take the phone and give it up. - What do you, I don't even know what you're referring to. - Yeah, you're good. - I'm not about something, and I jumped right in there and you, I don't know. I just, I don't know if we're supposed to go to wait for some time. - Oh, I can't even remember. You're perfect. - Yeah, you're good. - I'll argue, man, I love to debate. That's some great shit, but I just, - No, it's even, I told him before, and Jack Donovan, again, I reference him all the time. He said this, he goes, never argue with your enemies. He goes, it's pointless. 'Cause you only argue with people you respect because you're going in the same direction. You want the same. - Of course. - And that's not that we argued, but like my point is, I don't even speak to people who are too far gone. - I'm either, like on the left. I don't even speak to them. I'm not joking. 'Cause I know where they stand. I always speak to people who are very similar ideologically, you know, mind it. - It can be safe. - Yeah, or potentially be safe. Because here's my problem with people. - That's problem with people, folks. (laughing) - Is, and this is people on the right. - Okay, 'cause I got that fuck on the left. If I bring up a topic that might be taboo, or you know, not supposed to be spoken about, a lot of people are so fucking pacified that they don't even want to discuss it with me in a civil manner. They don't even want to speak to me about it. Oh, I don't want to talk about that. Well, like, well, wait a minute. If you make a comment here, you know, let me give you some more information. If I give you some information, or you read that, and they're like, "Uh, no, or, or, or, or, or, I don't care." It's like, people are so set in their mind. Like, is an example. If someone told me the earth was flat. Okay, I might listen to me. All right. If you, you got an argument, I'll listen to it. Yeah, for sure. - You can provide me with sufficient evidence. Not that I've been in outer space looking down. Okay, maybe that's a bad example, but I am open to anything no matter how crazy your taboo is long as you can provide substantial, uh, uh, - Unemotional, logic. - Okay, 'cause I trust me. In the past six, seven years, I have done extensive research through multiple different avenues, multiple different people who have rotten subjects to me. Right, thought they were crazy. I don't get offended, by the way, on anything. - Either do I. - When people bring me information, I'm like, "You're nuts. Hey, if I show you something, we walk absolutely. I'll absolutely look at it." Because I am willing to change my mind if I'm shown sufficient evidence. - I want truth. - I can't even talk to that will not do that because they're so fucking scared of not only seeking the truth, but speaking the truth. And it's just, it sickened me. And it's like, you know, I bring up civil war stuff 'cause it's not popular. Abraham Lincoln, right? I start saying Abraham Lincoln is a scumbag. And there's a Democrat, by the way. - Not sorry. - I found it in the Republican Party. You found it in the Republican Party, which were basically Democrats. - That's correct. - Again, I give sufficient evidence. And the best that they've done is come up with excuses while you act like a piece of shit. And I'm just like, okay, that's fine, but you see where I'm coming from. - I'm gonna give you a couple of things, Matt. They're gonna help you the next time you want to argue with somebody. This line has gotten me out of so much fucking shit and it's this, exceptions do not invalidate rules. Okay. - I told you that you were getting that's happening. I told you a thing that's happening. You want to come up with a fucking exception. That doesn't mean the rules, not the fucking rule. So if Scott's got to go into your head, Matt, and I have the shot and I take out Scott, I'm probably not going to jail for murder, 'cause that's an exception. Does that mean we should make murder legal now? - No, exactly right. - You don't invalidate the rule for the fucking exception. So just 'cause they can find an exception doesn't mean and it shuts people right up. That's the first thing. And second, when I find some liberal going fucking nuts and they get all emotional, and as soon as they do that, I know that their idea logs, they've taken those ideas and they've hooked them to themselves instead of being able to analyze the idea outside of themselves. I just think this way I go. I think to myself, well, thanks to us, because if it weren't for us creating this luxurious world that where they can live their fantasy world and nobody's gonna intrude on it, right? Take it as a pat on the back. I take it as a compliment that meant not to even have a life of us, my whole family, man. (laughing) I am the only one who isn't, truly. I missed a lot of holidays, I missed a lot of shit over because I wouldn't get the shot and all this bullshit, man. And I have, my mom has read my book, brother, sister, dad, in laws, cousins, aunts, uncles, none of them have. They all think it's Trump propaganda. They see the word violent on the cover, right? And they lose their fucking minds, they can't get past it. Not only are they gonna judge a book by its cover, but they're gonna judge the guy who wrote it that they've known since he was born. That's how liberals think, though, man. As soon as you trigger them, they're fucking dark. They're out. - Yeah, that's why I don't even bother. Not that it's an imp to me objectively and truly wanted to hear. I would talk to them, but most of them, or I don't approach them with anything. I just don't, especially when they open up with some stupid ridiculous comment on this point. - They want to quote ALC, fuck you. - Yeah, I'm jacked on it, no excuses, no explanations, no argument to say it. - Yeah, you're gonna weird about him. - Yeah, I like that. But you're in a state where, man, in 2012, it went to Obama in 2016, it went to Trump. In 2020, it goes back to Biden. That there's, what do you think Michigan's in Atlanta? - That's Pennsylvania. - That's true. We're the same, we're in the same boat, yeah. - Well, yeah, traditionally we're fucking Democrat, but that's only because Democrats used to be, that used to be the blue collar party, right? So, you know, the automotive industry is what makes Michigan grind. All the major cities, GM Ford, Chrysler, are the primary employers, and when you bullet down, still. are in the unions forever were Democrats because Democrats were about the working man, right? Well, they haven't been about the working man in a long time, probably 25 years. But we still have a bunch of people around thinking that that's what it is. That's the only reason Michigan keeps going blue. Because you know where I live, I left the population center, man. I used to live around Detroit area and I got the fuck out of there and live way up by Mackinac City now, which is at the tip of the mitt. And up here it is as red as can be. You get out of those cities and there are no liberals anymore. They're gone. I mean, it's all Trump signs and fuck by and flags. I pride past three of them when I go to the gym in the morning. So it's deceiving. I don't know if you guys fall that way, too. It sounds like you do. Sometimes you're state of vote that way. It's just because of the fucking cities. And that's bullshit. Think about Illinois, dude. It's all fucking farms. All farms. But they got Chicago. But they got Chicago and that fucking sways it all. That's what it is. It's Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. That's it. It's Pittsburgh and Fuehlin. But I mean, I think we can all agree that it doesn't. If they want to fix it, they can fix it. Number number two, this is where I come from. Me and Scotty, I think you're in the same boat. I don't see how it matters. I have, again, under Trump's presidency, I literally saw more damage ever before in the 20th and 21st century, especially during COVID. That was the biggest deprivation of constitutional rights in the 20th and 21st century that we have ever had. And not only he did nothing, he had the constitutional authority to do stuff. And during Marcis BLM riots and antifocus destruction, he did nothing and a constitutional authority to do something. But not only that, he didn't even speak about doing anything. He didn't tell anybody to do anything. He created the vaccine. He gave well-trained and he was like a kid. [Music] [Music] [Music]