Ep 014: Master Conditioning Coach Jim Laird and Animal Wellness Expert Jackie Jolie Share 20 Years of Lessons Learned on The Road To QuantumHealth

[MUSIC PLAYING] This is the Quantum Biology Podcast, where we break down the practical health applications of this emerging science, starting with healthy light habits, and going wherever the quantum super highway takes us. In this episode, Master Conditioning Coach Jim Leard and Jackie Joly, an animal expert who certified in applied quantum biology, covered 20 years of lessons learned in the health and fitness world. This is a hilarious and intimate conversation between longtime friends as they share the ups and downs of their journey to wholeness. Good day to you. My name is Jim Leard, and I am going to be your host for today's podcast. I work, if you don't know who I am. I've been a strength and conditioning coach for about 25 years, and I currently work for Dr. Stilman. I am his accountability hammer type object. I make sure people do what they're supposed to do. And joining me today is my good friend and co-host this evening, Miss Jackie, and Joly. Miss Joly, why don't you introduce yourself? Hey, everybody. We're going to have some fun tonight with this podcast. Jim Leard and I have known each other for close to 20 years, so it's going to be a lot of fun to collaborate together tonight. I am a recent cohort graduate of the Quantum Biology Collective Quantum Health Practitioner program, Level 1. And I've had that for about a year now, and I've been in the quantum field of practicing a healthy light life for the last three years, and really tried to get out and share that story and share that information through holding local seminars at yoga studios or health clinics. And then my full-time, big-girl job is I do body work on horses for a living, and I've done that for about 10 years. And it's actually very interesting how some of that kind of combines together with the health that we need, with having a healthy light life. And we'll dive into some of that tonight as well. Thank you, Miss Joly. Miss Joly, 20 years ago, 20 years for me, five years for you, we met. And why don't you talk a little bit about kind of where you were in your life at the time that we met, and all that good stuff. Oh my goodness. I must say, this is like, confessionals. So I was your typical college student, broke female, who still wanted to look good and be skinny and do all the things, go to school, have a job, have a life, be social. And I thought I was doing all the things that you were supposed to do. I was running and doing a crap load of cardio that I hated. But I was doing it because I thought, well, this is how you stay skinny and stay healthy. I snacked throughout the day, chips and salsa, apples and peanut butter, like a protein bar, protein shake, didn't really engage in lots of fats and proteins. Never did any type of weight lifting. Just lots of cardio. And thought that that was the right way to do it. And I was healthy. When you're young, you can get through with a lot of that stuff and get away with it. And then I stepped into a CrossFit gym for the first time ever and met this lovely meathead here, Jim Laird. And he was like, what are you doing with your life? You are going to run into a brick wall sooner than later. I have worked with women after women after women that are especially usually technically older than I was. And they had already gone through thyroid issues or autoimmune disorders or couldn't get weight off. And they had done kind of the same things I had done, like not eating or just snacking or doing a lot of cardio and killing yourselves in the gym, along with killing yourselves as a female out in life, like giving all the time and doing everything and being super woman. And he was like, I can help you. You seem like you're tired all the time and you should get into weight lifting and you need to eat more. I don't know about all this. But I've definitely been a person in my life of always being curious, needing to be challenged, and sometimes needing a leadership role to hold me accountable. And sometimes people don't show up that way, especially the way Mr. Laird did. And so he's like, come on, just come work out with me. I'll show you the ropes. We'll get you started. Just give me 30 days of my program. And I was like, OK, but you have to do everything I say. OK. So about 30 days later, 15 pounds heavier. I was like, what is going on? Like I'm poor. I cannot afford another wardrobe. I am tight in my clothes. When is this going to change? I think I'm just going to go back to eating my bananas. But in that process, I had noticed a couple of things. I actually really enjoyed the weight lifting. It was challenging. It made me feel strong. It gave me empowerment. I also noticed that I didn't have to do it every day. I was running every day that I hated. And with the weight gain, he was like, just give it 30 more days. It's going to change. Your metabolism has to change from eating carbs and sugars all the time to protein and fats and lifting weights. And gosh darn it, Mr. Laird was right. So the pounds started coming off. I started getting like tone and like abs. And I was thrusting chains with my glutes on a bench and just felt like a badass. So I officially fell in love with weight lifting. I got to eat whole foods with steak and bacon. And we would go have lunch and he's put some butter on that, put some more butter, eat some more bacon. And I was like, what's this guy is letting me eat all this fat and protein? OK. And it also helped me just in the trust and intuition of really giving something a go and jumping all the way in and trusting the process and knowing that also it was going to take some time and Laird held my little humming bird wings the whole way and allowed me to just get focused and just stay consistent. And even on days, sometimes I came in and it was that time in the month. And I was like, I'm freaking white. And he's like, OK, let's just foam roll. And I was like, what? We got to wait. We got to lift weights. I got to keep up with the skininess and the strength. And I don't know. You need to chill and you need to foam roll. And that's all you're going to do today. I say so. OK. But it really worked. And I needed to learn that those processes came in place that was the healthiest for how my cycles worked as a woman, how my hormones worked, how I could wait lift two or three times a week. And that's all I had to do. But I did need to make sure that I also rested and refueled the proper ways. So that's how we initially met, where it might have some little differences in that story. But what that has to do with quantum health is we fast forward maybe 10 years. And I was still focused on a paleo lifestyle, lifting weights, riding horses, all those things. And they were keeping me healthy. We just didn't know the light component, of course, of all of that of being healthy and strong. And so unfortunately, with me living a very poor light for almost two decades, I ended up with Lyme disease five years ago now. And layered. And I lived in a different state by this point. And so we always checked in on each other. And we were finally catching up with one another and I told him I had Lyme disease. And he was like, dude, you've got to check into this Jack Cruz guy and this quantum health stuff. He's like, Jackie, I know that I led you really right, the majority of the way with everything that we've learned so far. And he's like, but I didn't know about this light factor. And it is gold. And I was like, of course, by then, I knew that he always had my best interest at heart. And I was like, OK, like some of the information, what's it about? And he's like, I'm pretty sure he's talked about something with Lyme disease before, look into it. And so I was already doing some natural healing for the Lyme disease initially anyways. And I started looking at the Cruz information and the light and quantum biology. And a lot of it was way over my head, but kind of the nature part of it of getting out in the sunlight kind of stuck. But to be honest, since I worked on horses already at that moment, I was like, but I am outside all the time. Like, I should be healthy. I still don't understand. I didn't know the rules of nature about the sunrise. And luckily at that time, Cruz did have like a group meeting coming up in July and Lyme was going to come into town for it. And he's like, you should come with me. And I was like, OK, yeah, that would be great. And that's when everything was sold. I met Meredith at that time. And it all really clicked because you had so many human beings around you that were Lyme did. Everybody had a journey or story like mine. I mean, Laird has also gone through health issues that the light life has now changed for him. And so when you see everybody else's stories and journeys, and it all just resonates with you and feels so right, it was the same thing with the weight lifting in the paleo. Like, you felt it. You started seeing results. And as I changed my light life, again, it was-- it's still a process, but 30, 60, 90 days, which is nothing. I was seeing so many compounding results that I was like, this is it. Oh my gosh. And of course, I'm so thankful to Laird for that gift. And that's kind of our story. We're almost 20 years down the road. And here we are on a podcast for quantum biology collective and having fun, sharing the message. Well, I appreciate you basically giving my resume, which. pretty much my entire career has been mentoring and coaching very strong will driven females. You know, it's interesting. I think one of the golden things that you can get out of this is, you know, I kind of started in the same sort of way. I was training really heavy working long hours and I stumbled across, you know, I ended up getting ultra-collitis and I studied, I stumbled across Paul Check and at that time Paul Check was the right person for me here because he told me he said, "In order to work out, you must work in." And that's what I needed to hear at this time and, you know, there's so much division in this quantum health or keto or paleo or whatever and then Rob Wolf was a big part of me getting my health in order. Those were the messengers I needed to hear at the time. Right? So everybody's so divided with their message, like don't listen to this person, that person's wrong. You know, a lot of people really hard on Andrew Huberman. Does he get everything right? Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. But he's telling millions of people he's got a mainstream massive following to go outside in the morning. Right? If we could get 60% of the United States just to go outside every morning for 10 minutes, be a different country. So my point being is is Rob Wolf, Paul Check, were the right people for me to learn about stress management, to learn about changing my diet. Paul Check helped me learn about dealing with anger issues that I had had that was the reason I was killing myself in the gym. And I needed to forgive some people and put that behind me. That was the right message and then I was able to convey that message to Miss Julie. And then later on down the road, I ran into more health issues because I was a zoo animal. I was inside from five in the morning until eight at night. And Dr. Cruz hit me over the head with a sledgehammer. And I changed my lifestyle. I needed Dr. Cruz at that time. So everyone in this space has, I compare Dr. Cruz to like the Southern Baptist altar call minister. And some people need that message. But some people need like Marxists to just talk about eliminating processed foods and walking out or even stand efforting, who's a bodybuilder, walk outside three times a day. Everybody's in a different place. And it's kind of like I'm not going to go religious here, but the parable that Jesus talks about spreading the wheat and the seed and the field. Some seed falls on the on the thorns, some falls on the path. Others fall on fertile soil. Different seeds need different things at certain times. And I think people get into this quantum field and they get so rigid in their information and so caught up in the dogma that they forget that everybody's in a different place and all the different clients that I work with some need a little more acceptance and help other people need a come to Jesus. And so it's about giving people what they need and meeting them where they are and allowing them to discover like Missha Leigh did. She discovered what she needed and she ran with it. I let her to the door and she ran through it. And I think a lot of coaches turn into a televangelist instead of just giving them the information saying, Hey, this is the path you can walk down and if you want to. And the path goes into some rabbit holes, right? You might not need to go into those rabbit holes. You might only need to do a few simple things to get you where you want to be. But um, you know, Jackie's story is I think very good for people to hear because everybody has and all the clients I work with sometimes it takes a year or two of me repeating myself over and over again. I'm really struggling. I'm not doing well. Have you been going outside? No. Okay. Start with 10 minutes outside in the morning. Do that for a month. Get back to me. I'm doing much better now. You know what? The dude's crazy. But I started walking outside three times a day. I feel better. I don't crave with much garbage. He's been telling me to eat protein for two years. Maybe I should start doing that. You know, so that's kind of the kind of the approach that that I take with this and, um, you know, I'm just it's great that Jackie now is able to help other people because both of us have very strong personalities, obviously. And but both of us love helping people and love meeting them where they are. What that interruption there? That was your that was your time limit by the way. Valor said enough Jim Laird talking. You talked you talked more than I did sweetheart. I put a timer on it. I'm just messing with you. It's a great message though and something I used to always love. Not really unnecessary. Believe in the beginning when we were working together. But I was like can't really be that simple. You know, he'd be like you just need some simpleness, you know, and just this heavy lifting weight consistently, you know, three times a week and just try that and see how you feel. And it really does come down to that. I think almost everybody we know in this space has gone through a disease or an illness or their stress or their tired. And we've lived in a society where it's always more and more, like this supplement. Oh, that didn't work. Add on this supplement. Another supplement. Oh, well, maybe go see this doctor. No, no, no, no, you need this doctor over here. And then people end up with this long slew list of things that they feel they have to do to even just try to feel normal. And it's super overwhelming, exhausting. It doesn't, as we all know, and most of us find out it doesn't end up working. And I think that's also what makes it so hard for when we come to the message of like just go outside, just just try to sunrise for a couple of days and people like nah, like that's not going to do anything. I have this whole list of all the stuff over here that I have to do and it's not working. So how could it possibly be the sunrise? But I think as all of us know so far as practitioners and people that have been trying this, we've already felt the differences and the few people or the multitudes of people that have started trying it. I have messages now in my inbox too of just like, thank you. Thank you so much for even just the sunrise message because my energy is up and I feel better and I have more energy for my family. You know, I've had men write me and say I have energy for my wife, you know, just messages like that that just are so impactful. And of course, just fill my heart up with so much gratitude. And once me, it gets me to keep doing what I want to do and I know you're the exact same way. And it's so great to be able to just break down those small messages of people will listen. But luckily we just continue to just try to spread that seed like you said and some are going to grab onto it. Some might not until a year later. But it does work and it's really nice to be able to have that and have this community that supports. And I think the people appreciate that too. They know you're still there saying, I'm holding you accountable and when you finally feel the difference, I'm going to be here to celebrate with you and support you and we'll keep going. I think the struggle is mainly is that most people don't realize that our modern world is by design designed to pull us away from nature. If you go back even to 1970 and you look at beach pictures of 1970 or pictures from Woodstock, there were no beach people. None. Half those people didn't work out. Women in the 1950s, 60s, it was on feminine. Marilyn Monroe was one of the first women to actually string train. And what did they do? They spent a lot of time outside. They didn't eat the garbage that we eat now. They made most of their food from scratch. They mowed their grass. They lived an active lifestyle. They went to the beach. They spent tons of time outside. They didn't have screens. So our number one battle is look at the awesome technology that allows us to have this conversation and to help as many people as we can. Is how do we balance being in touch with nature with the convenience of modern life? And that is the battle and it's going to get bad. I'm positive about it because I choose now. I'm a huge history nerd. I study a read history. I read more things that I should. But I'm not going to let the negativity and the for the first time in history, there's technology that will allow tyranny to survive and thrive. In the past, there wasn't enough KGB agents. There wasn't enough intelligence agents. You couldn't kill enough people to keep messages suppressed. But now they in the switch the flip of a button, they can do that. So my main job, one is to be joyful and not get caught up in the things that I can't control and to help people find the balance for themselves so they can use the new system without the system using them. And that's half the battle is getting people to be self-aware enough and to slow down enough that they don't become a complacent, compliant consumer. And that modern life does not rob us. You're one of the things that really hit me over the head in the last couple months was spent a lot of time in South and Central America and Nicaragua. And just the joy that just watching these people that have nothing, they like have an ox cart and the children playing soccer with a rolled up t-shirt with duct tape. And the laughter. And I caught them myself. When's the last time I saw that in the United States. I see parents yelling at their children in the soccer game. I don't see any laughter. I see kids getting upset and swearing and punching the ground. Just to see your joy, the simplicity that these people have in their lives, half of them didn't have air conditioning. And I was like, you know, I'm not going to let this machine affect the way I feel and the way I live. And that was a big moment for me. I'm going to be aware of everything that's happening. And I'm going to share everything that's happening with people so they can decide for themselves. But I'm going to make sure that I don't let that negativity affect my ability to connect with nature and to help other people. And I think that's something that is very difficult today with the propaganda and the constant indoctrination. Jackie, why don't you talk a little bit about your journey as far as working through your past history and emotional stuff and getting yourself into a place where you're able to sit quietly because you're like me in a way, you know, if you give me an axe and you tell me to cut down two trees, I'm going to cut down the two trees and I'm going to look at and go, there's a whole forest here and I've got this axe and I've got nothing to do but cut down trees and I'm going to cut the whole thing down, right? And I use that for years as a way to not deal with the shit in my closet. Right? I didn't want to deal with those voices in my head because it's painful and it's not easy. So I just continue to cut down trees until I ran out of trees to cut down. When you should talk a little bit about some of the stuff that I know you've been through in, you know, relationships and family dynamic and all that sort of stuff. We're truly turning this into the confessionals. Well, thank you for sharing your part of that as well. I'm really proud of you, friend, for getting through a lot of that. It's interesting the last couple of months too. I've had some breakthroughs with, you know, with our whole quantum theory and the light story. It truly is the foundation of everything that exists on this planet within us, within the plants, the animals and we're all connected with it. But there's really been a big signal of like the emotions are really running the show, which if you want to get into really esoteric stuff, I mean, emotions would still be energy, which energy is still light. So there's still that base light foundation there. But man, the emotion part is not easy. And all of us come with all kinds of backgrounds and family stuff and so we all have stuff. So obviously we're not here, you know, being on our high tail or anything like that. But yeah, I mean, I've had my fair share of some family dynamics and failed relationships and all of those type of things. I will say where the quantum comes in and helps so much. Obviously, we know the scientific side of it of light on your gut helps you with your dopamine and your serotonin. And so you're going to feel good and you're going to be stronger and all the physiological effects that we now learn on the science side and also feel it when we're doing this life. The thing that I didn't really expect was going to happen after you see all the physiological stuff is I had a better ability of coping mechanisms. So instead of falling into the trap of laying on the couch and just been watching Netflix all day long feeling sorry for myself or whatever if I was going through something stressful or to allow some of those distractions to come through, I go plant myself out on the grass under the sun and I'm able to lay there for 20, 30 minutes to an hour sometimes and I don't even realize how fast the time goes by and I'm able to be still. Because like you, I've been the same. I'm definitely strong headed and disciplined and motivated, which is all good things, but I kept myself really busy to keep myself distracted to not deal with the inner. Like when you said, Paul, check like sometimes to work on the out, you have to work on the end. And it really does help that nature will just settle you and calm you. I think like in the psychological psychology realm right now, there's a lot of talk on like our nervous systems and that are vagus nerves and some of that gets out of whack and even with working on animals, I've already learned a lot of that just from being a body worker for animals. And now it's like, oh, all of that's coming forward in the human realm of like my nervous system has been on fighter flight for over probably two decades more than it's ever been in rest and digest. And granted, I had people like layered every now and then like, okay, Jackie, we need to just chill and foam roll and you need to bring yourself down so in those moments you could, but we should be able to naturally get into that mode very easily. And I have to say that nature helps that so just automatically. I know now and I actually had a really a lot of stress for the end of last year, things that I couldn't control that were out of that realm. And it was still very stressful for me. But one, I was able to handle it in a much more calm state, calm tones, not losing my emotions and getting into screaming matches and things like that with people that I love. And even after the fact when I came home from everything that had happened, I just realized I needed to do all the things to fill up my battery again, my redox or my energy battery, but on that emotional side because my body was just drained completely, even though I already live a good light life, right? So I was taking myself hiking with my dogs for two or three hours and automatically your nervous system is just relaxed. It is finally your body is just able to go and you should be able to get into that state more than the other way around. So there's actually research where they show people pictures of nature and it reduces their stress. Yeah. So what actually happens when you get out in nature? And that is the thing that modern life is stolen from us is that connection with nature and that calming effect. And as I'm here, I'm going back into the Bible again. I'm sounding like a young gentleman. But it doesn't ponder in Psalms be still and no? There's wonderful power in silence. And if you look at Jesus, who's this, you know, the center point of the New Testament and of Christianity, here is someone who is presented as the Son of God is going off by himself into the mountains to be silent. Okay. And our modern world has robbed us of that. So if you can incorporate quiet time in nature, it's automatic reset. And if you look at the phone, if you look at a casino, if you look at these things, it's designed to get you fired up in this dopaminergic circle, where you need more dopamine and you need more dopamine and you need more dopamine. And then you start acting like when you're reptilian brain, you don't have, you start just reacting, you start drinking more, you start just compulsively eating. Your body takes resources away from reproduction and digestion. You start getting stuck in this over breathing state where you're stuck in this extended position, which is the holy shit. Holy crap. I'm going to die. There goes the explicit morning. You edit that out of the flip. I'm in extension. I don't have to worry about eat surviving tomorrow because I'm running from this bear and our society is designed to get us in this state. And nature is the answer to that. Except most people, the average child today spends four minutes outside a day. The average maximum security prisoner gets more time outside than children do today. So it's our job to consciously educate people. And if I can just get somebody to walk outside 10 minutes, three times a day, like it's so simple. But I have client after client. Oh, I woke up. I didn't need a cup of coffee to get moving. I pushed that cup of coffee off to later. It's amazing. Like I don't feel so rushed. I'm not as stressed. I don't crave potato chips anymore. It's like a pebble and a pond that just ripples. And we want to make things so complicated, even with exercise, like people don't understand everything in your life is about adaptation. Right. And when when Jackie started lifting, she didn't need to do much when she started. Right. And then she just added a little bit on. And you know, I'll loop back to one of the things, one of the most crazy things in today's modern world are women that are under eating and overdoing it. Burmy alive at the state, upside down, men and women are different. Okay. Women cannot handle underfed states for long periods of time. Their hormones just go to hell. Right. Men are set up to handle more stress. They can handle longer fasts. They can handle harder training. Their endocrine system is harder to mess up. Women are more sensitive to the environment by design. So they can pass on that mitochondrial information to their offspring. So the offspring has a better chance of surviving in that environment. And that's the way women are designed. And you can burn me alive for that. I'd be happy to be burned alive for that. And what people don't understand is that when women are being, you know, the half to be a mom, a half-tabour career, they have to have this, they have to have that. And then they're trying to starve themselves to look like a supermodel. That destroys women like nothing, Pulse. It just mows them down like grass. And it's always better for a woman to have a slight calorie surplus and lift weights and to do a moderate amount of on-site activity. She's going to do, she's going to be a much leaner, she's going to look better, she's going to feel better, her hormone profile is going to be way better than if she starts to starve herself. And that's one of the reasons I trained, I've got tons of women I trained for 10 years. One, they loved eating more food. They loved the fact that they could eat more food because they had more muscle mass. They loved the fact that they were powerful and they filled their clothes out in a way that was enjoyable for them and their partner, preferably, I might like that too. But not in the professional sense, but in the personal sense, right? But- You're doing all the explicit warnings on this podcast. I know, I know. I gotta be careful. It's late. It's almost fast my bedtime, right? So our world is literally set up to pull us into this loop. And it's our job to make people aware of how important it is to get out in nature. And I'm working with a lady right now. PCOS, she's from Africa, like direct from Africa. She was in Germany before a localization to Florida and had a period in two years. And her diet was a trotious. Like I'd say, her diet was like 70% orange juice. And we just started with three times outside, protein at every meal. Two months of that. I had a first period, I had a new year. That's where she started, right? And so we're gradually educating her a little bit more, a little bit more. And that's one of the things about this space. We can go down to EMF rabbit hole too. EMF is important. But when you have someone who doesn't go outside at all, we don't need to dump 5G on the first day. I start with we have five basic pillars in our practice. I walk outside three times a day, which I stole from Stan Eferning, the vertical diet. Morning session, most important. I used to just tell people to walk outside, but now I tell them three times a day so they get all the different times of sunlight. Eat a protein at every meal. Most people dramatically under eat protein. If you notice the government's telling you to eat less protein, so whatever the government tells you to do, do the opposite. There's another disclaimer warning that'll give a flag. I mean, high quality spring water or preferably reverse osmosis water. Water is so important. I mean, we could do a whole show on water, but it is, along with circadian rhythm, the water that you drink is the foundation of your health. Get the lights off at night. Obviously we've mitigated. I do my stuff on my phones. I can turn my screen red and I turn my red line on at night. And the big one that most people forget is relationships and community. And I'll tell you what, you could live in a Wi-Fi free cell phone free area with organic food in the middle of nowhere, but if you've got no friends and you've got community, you're going to be fricking miserable and you're going to be sick because I did it. So we're a very complex, multifaceted being. And when I approach people, I always talk to people about becoming more resilient, about making the stress tub, bathtub bigger. I don't talk about this is killing you, this is killing you, that's killing you. I talk about what can we do to work in to make you more resilient. So if you do have to stay in a hotel that has Wi-Fi, you have the ability to handle it. If you happen to have a mold exposure because you're in a bad apartment, you have the red ox to handle it. That's the way I approach it. I approach it for more of a positive thing where I'm like, get outside three times a day, get your feet on the grass, eat high quality foods, heat seasonally, do all these things, bring high quality water, make to yourself as resilient as possible because we as humans, it's amazing. How much crap, pesticide, you can go into all the garbage that's being done. That's people are still unbelievably so reproducing and still living. Like I walk into like publics or crogr, even whole paycheck and I look around and I'm just like holy crap. Like how are these people even surviving? You know, or like when I live in the panhandle, I go to like the cold springs there. I'm looking around and I'm like, that person is still alive. Like how is that even possible? The human being is so resilient and if we could just get people to do like a C plus B minus, the world would be a completely different place. We don't have to shoot for A plus. For those people that want to do A plus, go for it. But everybody kind of has to determine like, for example, I am working with a lady who's pilot, which as we know in the quantum world is probably one of the worst she does transcontinental flights. She flies from Miami for Korea twice a month. Over night, probably the worst possible thing she could do for her health. She has mild arthritis, overalls in general health. She has to fly for two more years. On her own, she's already figured out we have a place in Panama. I am going to move to Panama when I'm done flying. Great. She's like my auto, my art room at church goes away in Panama. What can I do to get myself through the next two years because I have no other choice? And that's my job as a coach to meet people where they are and then help that I had a family who the sun had alopecia. He was only five. And obviously I don't treat disease. I sat the parents and said, look, you want to help your kid? You need to leave by example and you start taking the kid outside. So the kid said, and the mom said, she's like, I did notice that because I educated her on circadian rhythms and vitamin D and how important is a lot of immune disease, strapped up. She goes, you know, we did notice in the summer, he doesn't get symptoms quite as bad. We're actually thinking about moving to Florida. So she came to that conclusion by me educating her. She came to that conclusion instead of me saying, you need to move to Florida. And that way it's her this compelled to do that instead of me saying, you have to move to Florida. Well, long story short, this young kid cut off the cereals, made his food more simple, you know, lots of eggs, lots of bacon. And the mom was like, well, he doesn't want to eat that stuff. I was like, just let him, you know, he'll eat eventually just, he skipped like two meals. And then after that, he started eating eggs and blueberries and bacon. Never touched the cereal they were getting. But he started, she started going outside limiting his screen time. And she noticed, he's like, follow four or five years old. He would choose outside over the screen time, but no one had showed him that. And so in this whole space in our modern world, we're going to need people that lead by example, instead of preaching to people, you need to do this, you need to move here, and you need to do that. And you need to do this. Lead by example and say, hey, this is what worked for me. Here's the path. Figure it out on your own instead of telling them like, you're going to hell unless you move here or do whatever. That's just kind of a, just a little bit of a different approach. And I'm not saying that that other approach is invalid. There are some people who need to be beat over the head with the hammer like me. Like, I don't learn. I don't learn unless I crash my car into a wall at 100 miles an hour. But luckily, most people are not stubborn like I am. So, I just, I wanted to share that about being sensitive and leading by example as opposed to just preaching at people. I think it creates like, it creates a safe place for people to, you're already kind of questioning what they consider as their normal lifestyle that they don't see a problem with or they kind of seem like, well, I've gotten to 40 and I'm okay so far. We're already starting to have them question that and say, but what about this or what about that? I am a funny story. So I got some micro-needling done yesterday, which I don't know if people know what that is, but they do like a little like tattoo kind of needles on your face to like create micro damage so you can have a nice young face along with getting on the sun, right? And obviously this is a, what time a, what time a day sun, Miss Shirley, her skin restoration, what people, in the morning and in the afternoon with your red and infrared light. Just just a bracket there like all these people that are like, the sun destroys your skin. That's because the average America only goes out at two o'clock in the afternoon and they don't spend enough time. So this dermatologist, now the old Jackie I would have just not said anything and I, you know, I almost wanted to kind of ask and have some debates and I'll share why I'm sharing the story. But so she knows what I do for a living and so she's doing my face and so all of a sudden she goes, you're covered up, right? Like when you go out and you work on your horses, you're covered, right? And I was like, what do you mean? And she's like, well, you know, like you wear a lot of clothing and like you wear sunscreen, right? Like you put sunscreen everywhere and I was like, no. And she was like, but but you're covered, right? And I was like, no, no, like, but I mean, I'm going to barn sometimes, you know, so I mean, like sometimes I have a roof over my head. She's like, okay. And she's like, but you don't wear sunscreen. And I was like, no, I don't wear sunscreen. And she like started laughing. And I was like, well, sunscreen gives you cancer. So she started laughing even more. And she's like, well, so does the sun. And I was like, no. And I just got to simple like that. Actually, and I didn't feel the need to over explain, which was kind of like new growth for me as well. And I was like, well, not if you don't get it in the morning. And she just kind of like chuckled. So like, okay, well, she's not open to the conversation. I was kind of just testing to see. But when we do work with like the normal public and just your regular like Joe Smow and their family, it is. Interesting when you do come from like leading from the example or you know, like I we both share a lot of stuff like on our social media posts and things. And it's like just enough with the information that you're putting out when it's not so demanding or preachy. And it's just like, hey, look what I found out. And like here's a scientific article along with it. Or I get out and show what I'm doing during the day of getting the sunrise and look how beautiful it is and how happy and positive. That energy does come off of that even if it's a social media post and people feel that because as we all have realized you get that curiosity back from the people that want it that that ripple that pebble that you talked about. And they'll come back and they'll just come with curiosity. So whatever question they ask, I'm just there to support that and answer the question. And don't say like, you should do this or you shouldn't do that. Like the last, what about on cloudy days, you know, okay, well, yeah, still go outside. The sun is there. You're still getting light. You know, those are great days to go out and just get red light. Okay, I never thought about that. And it's right when you share the story about the kid, we're so far along now with our generations. Unfortunately, the generation of like my grandparents, you know, that lives through the depression with outside all the time with the gardens. They're starting to die off. And so now we only have these generations left of modern humans that have been way more indoors and just thought nothing of it. But you know, when you just start to explain even like if you get somebody that's a history nerd and be like, hey, what did you know that electricity has really only been around for like a hundred years? Like that's not that long. Did you know pharmaceuticals have only been around for like a hundred years? That's really not that long for how long us as a species have been around connected to daylight all day long. You know, and if you get another history buff, what did you know about the haze the tribes and tribes that are still hundred gathers out in Africa that like don't have diabetes and don't have skin cancer. And they're outside all the time and doing all these things. And so I appreciate your message too because I have also noticed that it really helps to just live by example and just share from wherever people are willing to come with you at no matter if their background is their doctor or science or just a family wanting to be healthy or somebody with a disease or an issue. And I think that helps tremendously to just get them started. I'm the same like if I can just get them doing sunrise and making their nights dark. They're already going to see such huge profound effects that I don't have to add on cold plunges and all these other things sometimes that can create that overwhelming list. If you can just get them outside more and spending time with their kids outside more. You know, I tell a lot of my friends like whatever you want to do that you're doing inside. Just try doing it outside. Like if you're reading a book, go read a book outside. If you're working on your computer, go work on it outside. If you're eating, go eat outside. And you're getting that free time without thinking like, oh, I have to schedule outside time. No, just go do whatever you're doing outside. And that helps too. It's just a very simple message. And again, people might be like, like I did when I first saw Jim, like, is that really going to work? But they do it and they feel the results and they keep going, you know, and they either come back from war, which is great. Or they're able to live a good, healthier life just by making those small changes. You know, I compare a light exposure and light in general to training. It is like, I hate barathons. But if you were going to run a marathon, it wouldn't be wide. Why is to just go run a marathon? Or if you wanted to bench 300 pounds, it wouldn't be wise to just put 300 pounds on the bench and try and bench it. You do push ups and rows and dumbbell presses and you work on your triceps and you work on your tech, the the same with running a marathon. You run smaller distances to build yourself up for the big distance. And nature is set up in the same way when it comes to sunlight. The morning sun is like running your short distances to prepare you for a marathon. It prepares your skin for the stress of the afternoon sun. So that you can make more vitamin D in that period of time and all that stress. Then the evening sun is also a healing part of the spectrum and it helps you wind down before you go to bed. And that's the problem with the modern human and that's, you know, and that's where it comes down to individual and what they have to do. What's best for them and their family and that's where it gets sticky and complicated because for me. You know, in 2008, if you would have told me I had to quit training people inside in a gym, I wasn't ready. There's no way I would have walked away from being inside, even if I'd have that information. I wasn't ready for that. I had to go through the process of learning how to manage stress and change my diet and then I had to have another health issue where I was ready because it was such a bad health. I basically ended up getting a staff infection from a pedicure. A young lady was like your feet are gross and no more shenanigans until you get your feet taken care of. And being. And got pedicures. Yeah, being a, she's like, you're going to get a pedicure or you're cut off and being in the mail that I am. I was like, okay, dear, I'll go get a pedicure. Two days, three days later, I'm in the emergency room getting my leg prepared to be amputated. And luckily, they were able to save my leg. Well, what happened was is because I spent so much time inside, like I literally was at the gym at five, and I didn't go home till eight or nine or nine. I wore sunglasses. I didn't see the sun. I was having repeat infections that were like full body septic type deals. And I ran into Dr. Cruz and he pissed a lot of people off at paleo effects by telling people that they should need a banana in November in Boston, right? And people, it was this huge free fall. And I was like, I was watching all this and I was like, I need to get to know that guy. So I started chatting with him and we, and I told him about what I was going through. And he's like, dude, like, you do realize the sun runs your entire immune system. Like, the UV light does a lot more than just vitamin D. I mean, it regulates your immune system to kill stuff in your blood. I mean, it regulates hormone production, the light in the morning. That's why you feel so amazing. That's why HooverMan is like, that's his number one thing. And he's beating it like a drum. God bless him for that. I don't, you know, like I was saying this for, I don't know how many years since I met Dr. Cruz. And I'm like, huh, finally, somebody else is actually talking about this stuff too, which is great. But I literally fired like 70 clients. I didn't come into 10 o'clock in the morning. And I spent my whole time outside every morning because I couldn't, I wasn't ready to get rid of my gym yet. And that was hard. I lost a lot of clients that I really cared about. And I don't know, still to this day, I miss training them. And then, you know, I readjusted my entire schedule so I could spend more time outside. And then when the beer bug hit, and they shut my gym down for eight months, I was like, I don't want to live somewhere where one, they can tell me what I have to put in my body. And two, where they can shut my business down at any time. So I decided to move to Florida. And now I'm able to work with Dr. Stelman so I can work from anywhere in the world. And I have some plans to build an outdoor gym at an undisclosed location that I'm working on right now that I'm very excited about. I literally changed my entire life and walked away from 20 years of friendships and relationships because that was what was best for me. That's what I thought would give me the best chance of living a longer, healthier life. And everybody kind of has to figure out what their turning point and what their breaking point is. And I wouldn't have done that in 2008 or 2009. I wasn't ready. But I was ready to make that choice based on the knowledge that I had. And that I want to live like I literally, like I'm only sitting inside right now just so that you can see my face. You know, it's nighttime, but I literally do all my calls outside. I mean, Meredith's going to test to it. I sit outside in a tan through shirt with tan through shorts on. And I literally am outside from six in the morning till when the sun goes down at night. And that's the way I've set my life on. I went to Nicaragua and I spent so much time outside in the morning and I'm Scottish. I spent six to eight hours in the sun near the equator and didn't burn. Now I stepped into the shade occasionally when I felt like I was getting too hot. But that's how adaptable we are. And I have a huge passion for dark skinned people. And I'm one of the few people that I always read people and I'll get into conversation with someone of darker skin. And I'm really good at kind of reading people, like who's gonna punch me in the face or who's gonna kind of, like, you know, when most people won't punch me in the face. But the ones that would, the ones that would be able, were like, what are the problems about being like a big kind of scary looking caveman? Is that 95% of the people will not mess with you? But that 2% that will, oh my gosh, like, you're dead, you know, so like, we won't get into that. But I always ask, I'll get into conversation and if they seem cool, I'll be like, have you ever thought about why you're dark? And they look at me and they're like, well, that's the way God made me. I said, where did you come from? Like, where is your ancestors from? Africa? Well, why is your skin dark? Why is my skin light? And they just, they look at me for a second and I'm like, because you need more sun than I do. And they just light the sun. Well, I'm sorry, but you don't, because you need more. And some of them will be like, oh my gosh, like the first time in their life, somebody said to them like, wow, I'm like a cactus living in the art of it. So like, I like to plant seeds like that. And I'm one of the few people that could probably say that to people and get away with it. But I have a huge passion for these people, like dark skin people that are living in like Canada. Like I was counseling a guy that I met online who was just destroying himself. He was an Indian, vegan, who was trying to be a waitlifter in Canada. And I was like, I'm not going to be a waitlifter. I'm not going to be a waitlifter. I'm not trying to do my own horn or anything. and what to do, I'm not telling them what I-- think just asking questions, simple, not provoking common sense questions. And they go, huh. I use the analogy all the time. I don't know if I got it from Zach or not, but you know, like, if you plan a plant and it doesn't grow, do you blame the plant or do you blame the environment for plants in? Yeah. And I'll tell that to people at the time. And it'll be like, well, you know, my kids got this problem or they've got this issue or, you know, of course, the hot ones ADD. And I'll be like, well, how much time is your kids been on sign playing? Well, really get they walk, you know, they walk outside to the car. You know, it's like, are you going to blame the kid because they sit inside in a box all day? Like, I can't sit like I used to be a teacher. And one of the most rowdy, reckless environments is like a teacher staff meeting. He's got like, 25 adult juvenile delinquents in a room, like throwing things at each other, like the teachers can't even sit still. Like, how do you expect a 10 or 11 year old kid to sit still for eight hours staring at like a box? It's nuts. What we're doing to children and getting people to be like, maybe it's the fact that they're indoors all day and they don't spend any time outside. It's the problem. And not the fact that, you know, there's something wrong with the kid, you know, it's just hard for people to shift that mindset, right? It forces them to have to think think out of the box like, oh, maybe I have to do some things are a little out of the ordinary to ensure that my child is set up to be successful, right? And that comes to the individual responsibility. And unfortunately, a lot of people don't want individual responsibility. They just want to exist with this little effort as possible. If you don't have any more dopamine left. That's correct. We can get into that rabbit all to you. Yeah, that's a whole other podcast probably. Have we talked ourselves out there? And we could keep going. But it's, you know, it's very true. I can get away with a lot more like with the sunglasses story than most people can. But, you know, I also got to understand like, I bounced in nightclubs for almost 20 years. So I am really, really good at reading people like who I can like joke with and who I can like kind of poke and who I can't do that with. Yeah, I remember. I remember my former Mrs. Parker Molly. I remember we had an orientation. And we had somebody come in that was like really sick, like was diabetic. And I basically like, was the fire and brimstone preacher because like I got the vibe from the guy that he needed somebody to say like, stop drinking 30 beers a day. Like that is killing you like beers and coke like that was his diet. And I was just like, you need to get outside and walk and you need to, you know, like you're killing yourself. Like why don't you just like, I mean, this is gonna sound bad. But I told him I said, you're torturing like the guy was having his fingers cut off and his toes cut off his wife actually brought him into talk to me. And I was like, look dude, like you're torturing your children. You're being cut to pieces. Why don't you just do it? Like if you're going to kill yourself, do it right, you know, like just get it over with. And Molly, like Molly literally, like I thought she was gonna like, she's like, oh my gosh, what did you just say? And like two weeks later, the guy called me and he's like, you know what, you're right. I'm gonna quit drinking. I don't know what happened to the guy, but he he called me and he said, thank you. And the wife thanked me. She's like, that's exactly what he needed to hear. Thank you so much. And I'm lucky I got that one right. And hour later, we have this other lady that came in who is an absolute metabolic disaster. Like if you see that cartoon character, that's like a giant ball with little tiny legs, this poor lady has like 17 autoimmune diseases. And she came in and she's like, I don't know what to do. And I just put my arm around her and I'll let her cry. And I don't know why I'm able, I'd be able to do that. Like that I can judge. I'm just very glad that I have that gift. I've always had that gift of knowing like who needs like me to tell them like stopping stupid. And then who needs me to tell them, it's gonna be okay. It's all right. You're gonna make it. Let's just start with some simple things. You know, and she ended up improving. I don't know what happened to her, but she worked out with me for two or three years and she lost a lot of weight. It was it was very challenging, but she got a lot of peace out of it. And we made some really nice significant changes with her. But you know, I think in the health and wellness industry, you've got these people like Goggins and God bless them. We need people like Goggins that are like, you've got broken feet. You're just after two portions, right? And then you've got people on the other extreme that are like, it's okay. You're 300 pounds overweight, but you're empowered and there's nothing wrong with being obese like you should accept yourself the way you are. Right. And there needs to be some fluidity there. Like there needs to be some grace. And there needs to be once again, I'll get back to the Bible. For every season, turn, turn, turn, turn. There's a season, turn, turn, turn. A season for a lot of a season for eight. A season for war, a season for peace. It's a song by the birds. I'll turn, turn, turn. And it just isn't enough of that. It's so polarizing. And it's unfortunate that people can't adapt the message to like, I, Louis Simmons, so we'll get into my parallel thing background. Louis Simmons West Side, Bourbon. One bad-ass mother, like, I saw Louis we're driving in a truck. I'm going to tell you the other side of my life. We're driving on the truck and somebody asked Louis Simmons, how long did he talk like this? He's like, how long you been on steroids, Lou? Lou is like in his 50s or 60s. He's like, "Ah, I'm steroids this! 25!" pulls out a syringe out of his glove box and jams it into his leg and injects himself with his sauce throw. We're going to West Side and West Side is an invitation only, Bourbon, like, a club. If you don't bench 500 pounds, you don't even go in West Side. Like, you don't, you get invited to West Side and you're not, like, public is not a lot in West Side, Bourbon. Like, these are some of the nasty, it's like going to, it's like a combination between a religious revival, a tattoo parlor and Chris, like, literally, you fear for your life when you go in there. Like, there's people, blood shooting out of people's noses, people are sniffing ammonia. Guys are taken like in fetamines before they train. It's insane. Like, this is the different side of me. I've got a few sides. Here's these guys, we're listening to like DMX and they're like swearing and punching you. We got a fight break out. 12-year-old gymnast walks in. But he's like, "Guys! Everybody pipes down. 12-year-old little girl walks in. This big 260 pound dude with tattoos all his body turns into just like the kindest, sweetest man and talks to her and walks her through some different exercises she need to do for her shoulders." Here's the guy that just jammed a syringe into his leg in front of a whole bunch of dudes in a truck. Our and a half later is walking a 12-year-old girl through how to do gymnastics rings and making her feel like a princess. Those are one of the coolest things I've ever seen in my life. It's sad more people just can't be like that. You definitely hold that. You're able to hold that. I can't. I mean, I put my foot in my mouth a lot. You know, it's my mouth's creeping. But, but you know, I just wish I just wish in this space there'd be a little more empathy and a little less, a little more meeting people where they are as opposed to like a little less dictatorship. Yeah, a little less evil. Because so many people that are hurting that just need someone to say, "Hey, don't worry about anything else. Just go outside one more day. Just start with that. Just start with just walk 10 minutes three times a day. Do that for a month then we'll talk again." Yeah. Did you do that? No, I didn't. Well, don't call me back until you walk three times a day for 10 minutes. And I mean, we need more of that because there's so many people that are lost. There's so many people that are disconnected. What did I read the other day? There's like Is it 20% of women under the age of 25 have the 10% of women under the age of 25? and you're really thinking that number would be that high if those girls were like going to the park and spending time outside instead of flipping through their Instagram and their TikTok. Yeah. You know if they had an adult like a mentor like a parent or somebody that said, "Hey, let's go to the park. Let's just play. Put your phone down. Let's just play. Let's just simple. That's what we need. We need more of that. We need more people to leave by example and to like set the example instead of like judging people because you know where they live or they're not willing to like you know go live on a farm somewhere or move halfway around the world and leave their family. We need more of like meeting people where they're at." Yeah, that's a good message. And a good way to wrap this up. It's like it's almost past my bedtime. That's why you're getting so silly. I like it. I was like, "Oh, it's fast as bedtime." But I definitely enjoyed the impersonations and I hadn't heard that story in all the 20 years I've known you so I appreciate it that. We said, "Oh, there's a stuff like that's the thing if like I'll say this in closing." Well, we have two questions we have to hear from close. So one of them is directed to you. For them, what difference do you see working clients outside compared to inside Jim? And I know at least in my personal experience too, even though I know the question's not angered towards me, but I just have a little Jim here in my backyard and I work barefoot doing kettlebells and weights and doing some sprints of another backyard. And I love it. The sun shining on me. I sweat. I save money, which is awesome. And it just feels really good to be outside. Jam in the music and just doing my thing. And I know there's plenty of health benefits. Again, I'm doing something that I could be doing inside. I'm doing it outside and the benefits are going to compound 100 times, which I'm sure you can share now with your clients. It's definitely very beneficial, but it's very hard to do, especially here in Florida, even though it's so hot, and then it could tuck you. The weather is so crappy. So what I always did, I love working outside. I would do it in the winter in Kentucky. There's videos at me on my Instagram, dragging the sled with no shirt on in 30 degree weather. But the majority of people aren't going to do that. So I use the Jim kind of as my pulpit. And I had doors that I opened the doors unless it was like stupid coal. I would use the Jim as like, they'd come in three times a week. But I'll be talking about you need to walk outside. The gym I'm opening, I don't want to say where it's going to be yet, but it's literally on the beach. And it has like a 15 mile an hour wind off the beach all day. It's 85 degrees year round. So it's going to have like a fat roof. It's going to be like similar to saloon jungle gym in to limb, except it's not going to be in to limb. But all the equipment's going to be made out of wood and sand and stone. And like, that's I love training people, but I don't want to be a zoom out. But like the gym I'm training people at insane Pete right now, they've got giant doors. So it's great. I get natural light, you know, just the mood of people in general. But in the fitness industry now with modern humans being, you know, unless you're doing like a move nap thing or something like that, most people are not going to want to go roll around in the grass or in the sand or whatever. So for me, when I train outside, it feels so much better. But I also like to use some things like Dr. Stoman and I go work out a couple of times a week for like an hour in the gym. And there's nowhere around here where we can use the machines and the equipment that's outdoors. So we kind of like, that's a trade off. We like, okay, we can handle, you know, we spend most of our time out here working on the patio. We can handle three hours a week, you know, in artificial lights, unfortunately. But, but I mean, the more you can work out outside, the better, like it's just like Jackie said, like everything, whether it's working on your computer, even if it's just opening the window, like the more natural light you can get in your life, the better. But my goal, like I want to still, I want to train people to the day, die, which could be next week or next month or 20 years from now. I don't know. But I'll, I'll say one thing about myself that most people don't really know about me. And then I'll let Jackie talk about the next question about about her horse, her horse, how does she corp its quantum into the horsey side? But when in like, mid 2000s, you know, they asked the limpians like, if you were given a drug, where you would win a like every gold medal for like six months, but you would die in a year, would you take it? 90% of them said yes. I used to be that guy. I was willing to sacrifice my life to squat a thousand pounds. Like that was me. That was my mindset. Like I was, I did not care about consequences of health. I took all sorts of different substances. I trained like an absolute maniac. I didn't train my, I didn't train my clients like that. I mean, I did a thousand pound chains to spend a good morning and blood shot all over my wall, right? So I've been at that mindset where like my life doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is lifting heavier weights and being as big and strong as possible. So I understand that part of it. I fought in MMA, I fought in combat. I've been in so many fights. I can't even count. So I have that side of me that's like this guy that I keep locked away at the basement. I call him Mr. Jay, right? He's only allowed out an emergency situation because he feels no pain. He has no empathy and he destroys everything that he touches. So he's locked in the basement, right? We have a deal. And then the other side of me that comes from working with children, being a school teacher, having empathy. So I have both sides of the extreme. I know what it's like to have to like, if you're playing in the NFL, it's not about your health. It's about money. It's about winning, right? You know, when you're trying to be a professional body builder, it's not about your health. It's about getting as big as possible. I get that mindset. And I've also had to be on the other side of it because I've had my life on the line where I've had to get in touch with nature, get back in touch with reality and have empathy and have mercy on people and meeting people where they're at. So I have a really, I'm almost like bipolar when it comes to that. And a lot of people haven't been on both sides of that point like I have. So I've seen and experienced a lot more things than most people have, which I am grateful for because it allows me to relate to just about anyone from the CEO who's destroying his health through his work or the extreme CrossFit athlete who's ripped his trap off his shoulder blade doing 200 snatches and 7 million box jumps to the woman who's got 17 autoimmune diseases who cries herself to sleep at night because she's in so much pain. It's I'm very grateful for my life experience so that I can help a wide variety of people and empathize with them. Great message. That was good. Of course, I feel like horses. How do you incorporate quantum, your horses? Jackie, how have you incorporated quantum biology into your horsework? So great question and thank you for including that. Actually, my mind was always reeling after I got into the quantum health light stuff. So if statistics are saying that humans are spending 93% of our time indoors, most people are not thinking about, well, what about our animals? A lot of people have dogs and cats at home. And so those animals are saying indoored moors as well. And if we do get into like the Wi-Fi and the 5G, you know, that they're also getting exposed to that radiation during the day if we're not sure to talk. And they're a lot more sensitive than that that we are. Animals are much more sensitive being, which is something I've even learned before getting into all of this information. Horses, even most people are like, you work on horses. You must be so strong and have to do all this. Horses can feel a fly land on them. So they're super sensitive sentient beings. And most people would think if you're not in the horse industry or even if you are, like horses must always be outside their horses. The majority of sport horses and horses that are owned now as pets, like they're in a barn and they're in a stall more often than not more hours of the day than their outside, which is really sad because these animals wild horses travel up to 30 miles a day. And they don't even let them play anymore. But that's why that's why they're so fragile because they want to be in a stall to work for an hour or two in an arena in a collected frame, very forced, very unnatural. And then go back into that stall to stand and not move all that tissue and lack of acid and stuff around. And we are creating weaker sport horses, weaker sport animals. And so some things that I am currently doing, already in my current work, I already try to now talk to my clients about what's your turnout like for your horses. You know, are you doing a proper warm up and cool down? Are you actually just going out and hacking them around on a trail ride for a couple of hours for the day. Are you making sure they actually get out in the middle of the day for the UV light? Because they need it just as strongly as we do. And so I am trying to incorporate a lot of that in my current business model, but I am actually creating a second business that's hopefully eventually going to take over. So I am creating some quantum health products for horses and dogs and hopefully going to be able to start producing research and science and data behind it too. There's not a ton of it, but there's enough information. For example, like I've been starting to read up on research of dogs and we have a ton of problems with dogs having anxiety and being put on antidepressant medications and dying of like crazy-ass cancers that did not exist 20 years ago. And so what has changed? Like their diet really hasn't changed that much. The water is not that bad. Like it's the light. You know, they're not ever getting outside. They can't make they can make their own vitamin D just like we do, but they need cholesterol just like we do to make the vitamin D. And you can only get that from the UV connection in the middle of the day. It's the cholesterol in the system and the horses are the same. So I'm hoping to be able to start producing that information along with the products that I'm going to make for both horse and rider. And if anybody that ends up listening to this phone call has any type of connections with engineering, fabric design or angel investors. Look me up and contact me because I'm going to need all of those things in the future. So that's my little plug. But yes, I am going to hopefully help horse riders, animals, horses and dogs in the future on a quantum health style. You know, it's interesting to tell a story about about dogs and you know, I've had three, three dogs lived to 18 19 and one lived to 20. And I've got my 13 year old people, Ramel. That's one thing. Miss Jolie and I share as our love of Bipples. And I don't know why she loves them, but I love them because they're a lot like me. But he's 13 years old. We play an hour and a half to catch every day. He's ridiculous. And we went to the vet. And of course, I was spoiled. And if you're in Lexington, there's a lady named Jen Rankin, who's an incredible vet. You know, actually gave me Ramel. He had been hit by car before I got him. And she did the surgery on him if I would take him and I've had him ever since. But we walked in and the lady started lecturing me on. Me, I'm using my dog. And I said, what are you talking about? She's like, your dog is way underweight. And she's like, you need to feed him more. He's too skinny. I was like, well, you know, dogs are supposed to be able to see their ribs just barely. She's like, no, that's not right. I'm like, well, if all do your facts, like. All you see is fat dogs all day. Like this is what an animal, like a wolf or a coyote. If you take their coat down, like this is what they look like. Trust me, I grew up on a farm. I've shot one of them. This is what they look like when they eat, you know, Ramel eats sardines, eggs, can a pumpkin a day and like beef liver and like real food eats like steak when I'm eating steak. And, you know, he's super active. And she starts lecturing me on all these tests he needs to run. And I've never. My, my dogs, though, the dogs I've had because they live outdoor lives. The number of times I've been in the vet, I can count on one hand. And the lady was being really rude. And I just said to her, I said, man, I said, look, I came here for two vaccines so I could board my dog. I'm not interested in your health care plan. I'm not interested in you telling me that my dog is not healthy. I don't want you to fix my dogs teeth. I don't want you to clean their teeth. And she goes, well, you know, this year you're being I'm going to report you. But I said, man, how many dogs do you have live over the age of 18? She's like none. I said, when you have one, I've had, I've had three. And he's 13 years old. He could run circles around any dog in here. You have one reach 18. You call me and then you can give me advice about how to raise an animal. And it was just ridiculous. Like this poor lady, I felt so bad for her. Because all she sees all day are these like eight year old labor doors or labor doodles or bootle doodles with blown out ACLs because they all sit inside all day and eat like wrap. And then they sit under the tree for like three days. And Rommel is doing like, you know, all these passes and people are like, how will this be? And I'm like, he's 13 years old. And they're like, oh my gosh, he's awful skinny for you skinny. But man, he sure runs. And I'm like, he's normal. He's more story and then we'll shut it down. It was funny because you know, I'm really good friends with Rob wolf. And you know, Rob is doing incredible job homeschooling his children. He's got two daughters. And you know, he, he basically raised them on real food. You know, breastfed, you know, lots of real food. And it's funny when they would go to the doctor, they were like extremely underweight, but they were on the upper percentile of everything like height and motor development and everything when compared to the average American baby. And then compared Rob's children to the rest of the world standard, they were normal. So our society has made illness for not only pets, but humans normal. Like when people come back and like my blood works normal, I'm like, I'm not good. That's normal is they've made sick normal, which is which is not good, but did you want to say anything and wrapping it up? Just wanted to say thank you for this opportunity, Meredith. Thank you for being here with me. And I'm really happy to be here with me. It's always fun to collaborate with you. So this was super awesome. I hope to be back again for another interview. Maybe it was some of the animal stuff when I'm ready. I think people would probably enjoy that. And please feel free to contact me if anybody has any questions on what we discussed tonight. And thank you for your hour and a half of letting us share our lives and our confessionals. I hope that it ripples and affects somebody out there. So thank you. Kathleen to answer your question. I think you said will the gym be like a retreat setting or certain times a year. No, we will. Doctor still and I will be doing some retreats at this location. I'm serving beaches in Central South America. And right now they cater mainly to surfers. And I saw the opportunity to come in and to develop like a gym to draw a different type of proud there. So the gym once it's built, which in Latin America is like when you spend time in Latin America, everything's like Mondiano tomorrow, tomorrow. So when you start a project in Latin America, like I talked to the CEO of this company that's been in existence for 26 years and this was the work has been there for 25 years. And they develop the wonderful relationship with the community like all the food is locally grown. It's unbelievable. And he's like, dude, you're going to move down here and you're going to build a gym just like eat like 20 extra patients spells a day because like you're going to have setbacks that you could never imagine in your life. So the shorter answer is we are going to be doing a retreat at this resort, like a wellness style retreat. Doctor still and I are probably going to be doing a number of those next year depending on what's going on in the world. And then hopefully I'm hoping within a year I can have the opportunity up and going and it's going to be the kind of place we go fill the common like spend a couple of weeks and buy all your food from local farmers and ride horses on the beach and tennis and golf. You'll be about 45, 50 minutes from the main city and literally walk out your front door and get in the ocean and like we're talking 15 miles of private beach like where there's nobody with the locals like it's also so I'm super excited about that. You ever wanted to ask me more questions or hear me rant I might you know about all sorts of different things. Doctor still and I on sub stack do a monthly Q and A. It's just like a situation where Dr. Stoman writes all the things he would get kick off the internet for staying on his sub stack. If you go to my on my Instagram. You go to link on my link tree there's a link there to the sub stack if you want to answer you don't ask me more questions in the future. I really appreciate marriage on here and I really I don't know whose idea this was but it was just fun getting on here with Jackie and and I'm really glad we were able to both share our stories and you know hopefully you know people can learn that this is a process that never ends as long as you're alive. You know you're always trying to evolve and to get better and to end but you know in the long run when you get yourself in trouble always simplify always sit quietly always get back to nature. Because that in the end is what it's all about silence being calm and peaceful and getting in touch with nature that's who we are as human beings. In our modern world we're going to have to make a deliberate choice to have a relationship with nature or it's not going to be a good outcome for you. And we just we just got to continue to spread this message that you know even if it's five minutes a couple times a day just start where you are get outside. be more active, be more present. And yeah, appreciate you having me on and thanks everyone for all the questions. - This has been the Quantum Biology Collective Podcast. To find a practitioner who practices from this point of view, visit our directory at quantumbiologycollective.org. If you are a practitioner, definitely take a look at the applied quantum biology certification, a six week study of the science of the new human health paradigm and its practical application with your patients and clients. We also love to feature graduates of the program on this very podcast. Until next time, the QBC.