England ease to victory over Australia

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If you think of what's coming and finals weekend, when they've played six games in three days, looks great and the conditions were spot on for rugby and England really made the most and winning by 45 points to 22. Where should we start? Quick summary of the Weekend in general, Ashie? This is Ashie pondering, by the way, this is not him. This is my frozen still. This is my short-term memory kicking in here. It's not existing. Right, so quickly run you through it. So that's Frickle Wall of Tittily. Oh, there we go. Yeah, no, it's Ireland's start. Ireland, Argentina, on Friday night, yeah. Ireland won with plenty of spare. It's the Oracle Wall of Tittily. New Zealand, far too good for Scotland, especially the second half. Disappointing. The Weekend was disappointing? Overall, apart from today. What games are genuine jeopardy? That's a good question. No, it was disappointing. Because even though Wales and Japan are the one-score game, Wales were. Had Japan arms length for most of it, didn't they? Do you think I don't know who sets these fixtures or how it's arranged, whether it was a broadcaster or not? But I sat and watched Scotland, New Zealand, at two o'clock on our Saturday thinking, this is on at the wrong time. There's all kinds of sport in this country going on, at two o'clock on our Saturday afternoon. I just felt it was a nighttime game, and the game felt a bit like that, to be honest. Yeah, we haven't had many games there, though. Wales and Japan had the prime time slot, you think. With 30,000 people in the stadium. Yeah. But if we touched upon it, I think it was the nation's border, maybe we touched upon it, on one of the other pods, doing a few at the moment. I didn't think Ireland, Argentina was the right star either. No. That game actually. But, you know, people were saying, "Don't be so negative, it's been a good weekend." But I know exactly what you mean. I suppose we desperately are supposed to want it. That's Scotland New Zealand game to go to the wire. And at times, in the first half, you thought it might, before the all blacks showed their class. Yeah, and the jeopardy, and is this, you know, the buildup, is this their time to end their record run of defeats. But also, a little bit. I think it's almost a weekend caught between two stores of standalone internationals, and yet teams playing in a competition to try and get something for the last weekend, put themselves in a position to finish whatever place they are targeting with what's gone on so far. And I think that's been lost a little bit. This is a race to a finals weekend. Like, as you just touched on, that's going to be here for what? I don't know, make these fixtures meaningful. How meaningful are they outside of England played Australia today and well? Scotland game. I mean, I'm kind of hoping that Scotland were going to be closer than what they were. I really thought that might be the chance, but it was quite clear to see they might be waiting another 100 years. Well, I think if you can't, that's a fall. And one of them is a New Zealand team that aren't as good as they are now. Indeed, they're two-year-olds. I suppose you haven't heard of the need off. I mean, metaphorical cards, if 12 months ago, the New Zealand team is the shadow of what the New Zealand team is now. They're a serious team. Can't be hoping for someone to come. Well, if they think you've got 120 years of history, I think you do. This Scotland team has not got long left before it starts. Lads finishing or not getting picked much longer. I feel like the near the edge of that era ending. And if they didn't get it done all Saturday, I just feel like. I genuinely think it might be a while. Definitely. That is definitely one for the nation's bottom and Tom English. Because I think that's a really, really interesting point, actually. But let's focus in on England. When we talk about it again, it didn't have jeopardy. I mean, England were completely dominant. You know, they score early through Manifesto, chalked off for a four pass. It was a four pass. And it was within the number of faces. But I've had a few messages from England fans going, again, it's a four pass, but it did feel quite a lot of rugby was played afterwards. And there were two officials that literally there. But it was a sharp start from England. And they played really well in the first half before. They threw a loose ball to Jorgensen. 19-10 completely flattered the Wallabies. You wondered if that would just give the Wallabies something going into the second half. But England were great in that period after half time. And 45-22, Grace, could have even been more from England, couldn't they? Could have been more from England, could have been significantly less from Australia. And intercept on a fumble on the little trial line from Marrow Etoji accounting for 14 of their points. England did exactly what they wanted to do. Get out of the blocks, attack with some shape, dynamism, powerful carries, lots of ball movement. George Furbank, Fin Smith, Henry Slade, handling the ball, putting their wingers into space. An absolute armchair for Jack van Portfleet, who made plenty of breaks, because Australia, for some reason, decided not to defend that all behind the break now. You know, he played against the team in front of you. Australia were absent for large periods of that game. And England put them away. It scored seven tries, Ashley. 45 points. Never scored that many points against Australia. Beats the 44 they scored in that memorable 2016 series down under. Seven tries. I think at least three of them. Absolute gems. The Chesson one. They van Portfleet when he got the inside ball from Freeman and Pollock second. Well, proper top draw. Tries. Do you focus really in on how good England, well, it's hard isn't it, because Australia were, we're out of check, but what we know by saying like how much do you, you're focusing on England and the things they did really well, because we will talk from about Australia and here from Let's Kiss as well. I don't think it's hard because I think we were really quite on knowing of what was going to happen today and how the lads were going to react and come out. They've had a lot to deal with. Articles coming out, short period of time together. The Prem being the way it has been. Steve being conscious of the step up. None of it was a factor. They all went back to their clubs last week. They absolutely blew Australia away. They limited prep time compared to other autos. No, I'm actually really happy for them. I thought they did such a good job from start to finish. They controlled the game. They attacked well. Discipline was night and day from where they've been. But I think probably the biggest contributing factor was the players that have come back. They added so much. It just looked like a different team to what we've seen without those players in and put things back to Fur Bank. Manning being in and being just consistent. Like you just carried on from the Argentine game. Who else am I missing? Atkinson being settled at 12 being given the 12 shirt. Carrying on. We'll show it back on the bench. We'll show it was back George Martin Chesum of all that to deal with little bits of injuries and setbacks recently. Jack being given the nine shirt. Having lost two scrum halves who were being told that they're the first two halves and Jack comes in and does a fantastic game. I just think they were outstanding. Yeah, they were. And in terms of the contest itself, you're going into it with a clear. This is how we're going to play. This is where we're going to get them. You've got a ten who's very clear. I mean, I'm not saying it's easy for them today because they put themselves in great positions and created good ball. But the execution was excellent at times. When you're not saying it looked like Northampton or Gloucester or but there was a lot of the shapes that we see in the week. The friend gets derided a little bit because there's some high scores in the breakdown. Sometimes you look at it and think attack might be too straightforward but you've still got to be able to make those passes once you've put yourself the slade one when the Pollock scored George Furbank that little just one-handed flick when he ghosted into the line. All of those things. That was old-school fallback. That was something out of the 80s. Wasn't there a fallback join in the line with the dummy in a ball? You don't see that? All that often. John Babtee's Laform this is where. What's the name of this guy? Hanco Esque. Yeah, do my bow tie on. But he plays like that. Anyone who's watched George Furbank over the last few years he'd have 20 more England caps if he hadn't been injured. and he is a difference maker because he connects the attack him. Marcus Smith at Harley Quinn's now that will change how Marcus Smith plays because he's got somebody who has the extra set of eyes and he is the model in that the modern fallback who facilitates the game and he's a very generous player because he will give the wing of the ball early doors, let you have a run, come and support you reorganize the attack. He's an asset. It's a kind of player that would put me at complete ease because you know he'd make the right decision, the right time he put the ball in the right place so you are then free to think about all of the sorts of things. You're not thinking, is he going to see that, is he going to do, you know he gets it right every time. He's just a silky player, isn't he? Yeah, that was what? We've not had him. We've just not had him for two years. Yeah, for two years and then he was ready to go in and his park wasn't he gross, we're both in Johannesburg, we interviewed him on the first day, you know, you gave some great insight into what he can bring and then we're standing in a standing pitch side and they've always got appendicitis and he won't play at all. Not bad for him, but gets his chance today, makes the game, makes a difference, shows what he's got, gives England clarity in attack because he's not just talking to backs, he's talking to forwards and he knows when to bring himself into the game. So there's a big upside in that, again, they can only do their best as a player. You'd hope the opposition just folds like that every time you play but we know that's not the reality of the international rugby and, you know, England's discipline was good, but they were never tested, they were never stressed, they weren't put under any pressure to keep ball or keep Australia out. Australia has good few minutes towards the end and made a few breaks but England made a lot of changes by that point and it's all become sort of, it's moot really because the game is done under pressure, you'll find out how far they've moved on in terms of fixing up the defensive errors in the old discipline and stuff like that but you can't talk about any of that really because they had a job today and they did it really well. Yeah, we'll find out a fortnight when New Zealand comes to town, a fair bit more, but in terms of what they had to do and the pressure has been around the team and speaking as we don't Friday to Jamie George and the pressure that's been on the players and the management and Steve Borthwick and we're here from him in a sec and I'd also got a touch upon those injuries said back in sin and many fairbosos which feel so cruel because just as actors and enslave will work in their partnerships, they get some out of the match, what fairbosos guys is if you look around the world, the really best teams and we saw it in the second half at Murrayfield, the X factor some of these teams have, guys who are able to break tackles score tries like you look at some of those elite elite players, France got a couple, the box got a couple, the old blacks have a couple, fairbosos in that category when he comes on the board you see it live, there's a little bit of extra pace of power and everything he does, it must be, feel quite weird as a coach I imagine because we're no starting to see him involved in games and getting the ball and popping up and I don't think that naturally lends itself to being a coach because you want them to be in a rough sort of system and that's the way the game is now, you're like no no I need my wings to do this and that and you just can't do that with money, you've got to allow him, the freedom to go and do what he wants to do and if you're a coach you can be quite hesitant so I'm glad to see that they are allowing, they are understanding that he has got to break the framework and go and do what he feels comfortable doing and that's I think now why we're seeing getting him on the ball and he's dangerous in every sort of area of the pitch, he picks up ball near the rock he's going to get you go forward, absolutely nothing, what was the New Zealand old black winger that used to do it, slightly differently, pick it up and he marked a layer, yeah, he's the other guy that started doing that, like coming and playing like, he's sidestepping it in the rock, dummy half in rugby league, I think, there's no wingers that do that, not, yeah, so you've got to just let him do his game and I think that can be hard for a coach but I'm glad they've allowed him to go and do it, you've been calling in our comms for ages for him to get on the ball more, haven't you? Yeah, and we saw it in Argentina, the third test of the wingland summer, he's on the ball a lot more and we'll hear from both shortly about how his injury is but he is something different and another player, you could pick up, you could isolate a lot of England players who were excellent today and as we said, slay, you got mad on the match, set back and soon, on his first game, Fringland here, we've had one of, you know, one of perhaps is the best game in his England career so far but given he had a dodgy calf coming in, Fin Smith went 80 and was faultless as far as I can remember, two kicks at goal, he missed two out of seven conversions, he's such a good player, like his ability to choose when to take it to the line, when to kick, when to give it, he doesn't have to look sometimes, the hell marry, he threw a Pollock's first, he's not even lucky, he just throws, he's got something very, very special, you know, as a ten, A plus B equals C, the space is there, I don't even need to go and find it because I know they have their defensive system, they will have to jam in, he can go over the top, it looks like a hail marry but he knows he can get it to the end man, it's then the end man's job to try and finish it, with Pollock did, he's grown as a player, he plays for a team who have massive amounts of content when they play ball in hand, and he's constantly making those decisions about when to square, when to pull the ball back, what to call, the aggressive call, when you make some, sometimes the easy call is to get a forward to carry again, whereas the difficult one is to force that forward with momentum to give you the ball out of the back because you know the space is slightly wider out, and he makes those decisions all the time for his club, and England would be wasting him if they didn't play similarly, which they did today, and you can see with a supply of quality, quick ball, he will facilitate the game so that players like favour both, so Seb Atkinson, George Furbank, can do their thing. Do you know, one small thing that people probably don't realise at all, it's not a big part of his game, but when we go to the touch line, you see so many fly halves, just stand and throw a nothing past three forwards that are going to get cleaned up by the defence. The amount of times he is willing to just kick that pass and go into contact, knowing that then he frees up those next forwards, they don't have to carry, they don't have to clean a rook, it doesn't stagger the attack because you're losing, might be getting too detailed here, but you're losing a lot of attackers for nothing, just because a fly half wants to throw a pass, or his fin will just go into the line, take it in himself, because he's not afraid to carry the ball into contact and salvage all the other bodies like that, I think it's just a really unique part of his game, there isn't many fly halves at the moment that are really happy to go into contact, he's knocking it up, yeah, just sacrifices himself. But not a big guy, he's not Henry Holland, is he? No, he does it, he hits the defence as well. And I think he does it because he knows what he's keeping those players out for the next phase, so he can keep going, you see some of the times come on stock with numbers in attack, because they've used them up on nothing phases, he's carrying the ball in, saves more lads, he can then get up and recycle, adds another number in the next phase as a head. And the line kicking grace, with malls being eluda-crisley potent weapon, if you've got a penalty halfway 10 metre line, 22, he goes to 5 or 10 and changes everything, doesn't it? And he was, he got England going with a couple of quality line kicks down that left touch line. Yeah, he's very good today, I don't think any aspect of the game should be eluda-crisley easy to score from, but the changes in the mall, it's starting to look like that, if you've got a half decent mall and you can get within 6 or 7 or 8 metres of the line, it's almost impossible to defend, which is kind of annoying when you make a change, it's like, oh, unintended consequences, just a bit too straightforward here, but that's a different subject. His line kicking was excellent, his goal kicking was really good today at the post from wide out, and he looks like a man in control. Right, let's hear from the England boss Steve Bauchig, he's down in the tunnel with Sara. Steve Bauchig, huge congratulations, how long have you been waiting to see performance like that? Yeah, well, I think the, pleased with it today, I think the, as I said many times during the week, the players have been brilliant in their preparation. We know, given that we played around with club games last weekend, that with only two rugby sessions this week, that every minute mad in the players have been laser focused on producing a performance out there on Sunday afternoon at Alianz Stadium and they went out there and did it. Huge physicality, no yellows, how much does that put a smile on your face? Well, I think firstly, it's really pleasing to see a number of players back in and in England shirt with Finn Baxter back since the first time since last autumn, we'll shoot back first time since last autumn, Ben Curry first time in over a year, George Furbank, first time in England shirt in two years. I think the next thing you also have to, so there's a number of players back, then Greg Fist allows first appearance during the, I think then you also could put the context on it that the players have not been to get it for a number of months and then have been playing club rugby, so make the jump from club rugby to test rugby there so quickly that they deserve enormous credit. You had two injuries today, Manifesto were both so also so back in Sydney, can you give us an update on them at all? Yeah, so we've taken a few bumps and there's actually a few more getting medical checked at the minute. I can't give you exact details because I don't have them yet, but certainly I think if you come out of the game there's plenty of positive, and we can talk much more about that, what's probably going to be some moments there where I think our intensity dropped a little bit, which I think is completely understandable given the jump, which we've already outlined. Mae'r rhannu'r rhannu'r rhannu'r rhannu'r rhannu'r rhannu'r rhannu'r rh Felly, mae'r gweithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gweithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaithio'r gwaith o'n gweithio'r ymdwyr i'n gweithio'r ymdwyr i'n gweithio'r ymdwyr i'n gweithio. For a let you go, Steve, it was a record score against Australia today. Everyone has seen what's happened in the press, particularly in the last 48 hours. Can you just talk me through how proud you are of your team today and how much that was an England performance? Yeah, I'm really, really proud of them. I think that these players are a wonderful group. We have some bumps in the road. We have this age proverb where you've got so many players 25 and under that are developing quickly to great test match players. And you've got an older group of helping guide them. And it's an interesting balance and they're working so well together. But it's really a pleasure to work with them. I think the great score's so many tries and we've got so many great tries and it's a variation of them. I think what deserves special mention here right now, we're in an era where attack is dominant. I think everybody can acknowledge that. And that defensive performance was really strong. I think, and I might run, but somebody just mentioned me, it was only one line break and conceded in the first half. And that was an interception pass that went lead to the try. And that was a really strong defensive form. I think we talked maybe a week or so ago and I talked about one of the areas that's different is defence. What it test rugby demands, what club rugby demands, it is just different. It's not good or bad, it's just different. And the players have adapted so very, very well. And I think you often see the strength of the character of the team in how they defend. And I think you saw a lot of character in that. Steve, congratulations. Good luck against Japan. Thank you. So Steve Borthwick, guys, with Sarah, as ever with Borthwick, you know, the messages he's wanting to land. To Ash's point earlier, those returning players Greg Pissellal nod to him on his debut. Really wanted to stress that point about the bodies they've had back and high quality bodies of that. A word on actor and a favour both in a moment. But in terms of Borthwick's position, look, we've spoken to the aura of a few chief executive Bill Sweeney in the last week. We had Connor O'Shea exclusively on our pod a month or so ago, both of them saying there is in a world when Steve Borthwick doesn't coaching at the World Cup and fulfil its contract to the middle of 2028. But you can't up thinking, oh, well, what if, what if, what if. And this performance today, not that we necessarily need to say it, given the aura of you repeatedly stressed, he's going to be there in Australia. But you never know what happens if results don't go so well given the year England had. But I think this performance, this result absolutely secures the Borthwick project will go to its conclusion, which has always been designed to be that World Cup in 2027 if not a little bit beyond it. He's there, Guy. That's what he's doing. Fine. It's our job to call what we see. Good or bad. Honest reportage and a bit of insight into why it might have been good or bad. And that's pretty much all we're doing. The product, the output is there for everybody to see. They 82,000 here. Everybody watching by a whatever platform. And the English would be public art daft. They know what they're watching. And they've become very frustrated with this England team over terrible six nations. A bit of recovery, but a slightly chaotic summer reports in the paper. And you don't write reports like that unless there is evidence and it backs up what you're seeing. Today is a step in the right direction. I've no doubt that Steve Borthwick will coach England to the World Cup to what end. Who knows? You've got to feel like he sat there going, I told you so kind of thing, because he hasn't had these players. He's just not had him consistently. And he's tried to find a way around that and get wins, also successfully. But I don't know, today just struck me as though if all these players are fit, we've got a really good team, haven't we? No leave like it's fully in the role, looks like he's got his attacking shape or he's working with the lads to make them play or style of play that they're all happy with. I think the difference was stark today. I know Australia weren't great. They look like they've been in the pub a couple of times this week, which there's no excuse for effort, but you've got to think Steve's sat there going, I told you so. If we have a full strength team on the pitch, we're a good side. Yeah, because it was a big sort of asset of England's in that winning run to have props coming off the bench, front rows coming off the bench, making a big difference. You can't expect that bench was had players who can come on a prop. If it is getting packed, Erlis Gengen and they're like, are playing 60-70 minutes in test matches. They're going to get caught out on a lazy arm or offside. And that's where it was adding up all time, wasn't it? It's probably because the lads were tired because they didn't have the availability of these plays to come on and keep the same level as what they were starting games out. And on that, I think there'll be other nations not crying for England because of the player pool, but you're right, this is often the way with England. They did it in 2019, went for the first time in ages. They got Mako Billy and Manu all together. They've been waiting years and years. It was always one of them who was injured. And then they had Sinclair and Marrow absolutely flying in all these power runners. They got them to the World Cup and were like, bang! In 2023 likewise, both of them had them in camp for a while. It was a very checkered build-up, but they got things together in France. And that will be the hope, that the long run-in, those three months together, they'll be all the players and more injury problems today with the favourboats in Atkinson. They'll do everything they can to get every single option ready for that World Cup. But that will not just because the favourboats are a rare bit of X-Factor, but the centre pairing has varied so much, it's dropped and changed all the time. I was always going to pick X-Factor with Henry Stade because of the continuity from the summer. But if Atkinson's been helped from the pitch grace, don't see him playing in this autumn, in which case, for this phrase, Ding will come in. Does Henry Stade go into the World's Life for like? Yes, he is. He is the most like for like, but then you'd still play Slade after today and then Ding will enslave you like a tiny bit of, I don't know, but yeah, Ding will change it. Ding was a class player and he could definitely slot in. But if you're a ball-movement team, well that's the point, isn't it? Don't just have. Yeah, you don't need a man or you might want one, but if you're separating defenders and constantly putting players into one-on-one collisions, as opposed to just trucking it up, as you said, Jamie Roberts style because you are an absolute unit, it takes at least two people to stop you. If you haven't got those people, you don't play that way. Did you see evidence from today? If you look at the outside the wingers who were big and powerful, but you look at the profile of the 12, 13 and 15. They're all ball players. I mean, Atkinson can carry, but a lot of his best bits they were distributing, weren't they? As they don't have a day in DL and they're not picking that type of player, there aren't too many around that are English. Did you see enough that that power runner can be compensated by really, really clever attacks? There was a lot of very clever attack, admittedly against the, you know, what the seventh best team in the world. Yes, and South Africa have got DLN Day and Creel in the centres, but Colby and Aronsa on the wing are tiny. So you did, there needs to be balance in your team. Favourableso and Tommy Freeman's massive. Favourableso is otherworldly, powerful and fast and lateral movements amazing, and they can come and carry it and make a break, and you would want them to go chasing the ball, introducing themselves into the game. Freeman pops up all over the shop, but the beauty of having an attack where you've got distributors in it, is that you're not constantly looking just to get on the front foot because you're guys bigger than their guy. It's not under 12s. You know, it's a gift to the big kid, and then once he's made a break, we can play off that. The game's more complex than that. And England have got, across their back division, they've got distributors and decision makers. If they're all playing, and England are going to play that way, there's no point playing, kick, chase, high press defence, we'll out physical them when we get the ball back, rugby because you haven't got the players for it. I think it's going to be really interesting to say, if they do go to Dingle and Slade, then yeah, they will not be as powerful as Jordy Barron. I don't know against the All Blacks, but it's just, it's really fascinating challenge how England get the best out of their players. I think we're really good evidence that they can win. can do that today with the caveat of where the wall of these were. And we'll see in two weeks time when they're under more pressure. But still New Zealand aren't the game point isn't physicality. Is it high level of it, but it's all speed. So we're not going to face a team unless you face South Africa that that gets highlighted too much. And even then you've got to probably overemphasize on the ball play. 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They were very good tonight and very clinical, we just couldn't get a response. Part of that response England seemed incredibly physical out there, you say you've seen it in training, so this wasn't a reflection. No, it wasn't, but that's what happened, you know, and we need to be better than that, that's for sure. You know, the second half we went out with some intentions, we certainly got better as the game went on and started to pose our type of game. But too little too late, you know, England had a good night. You've got Scotland next week, so you've still got seven days because it's another Sunday game. What will be the focus for you in the buildup to Murrayfield? Yeah, it's a good question, you know, like losses like that make you sit back and have a good internal look at a few things. Important not to go too far and too wide, just make sure we narrow down the things that we believe together, we have to work on. Scotland will be tough, you know, there are ten that like to play ball and hand not just similar to us. We just didn't get our game going tonight, so it'll get to be an interesting battle up there. We just got to knuckle down and do the work this necessary, you know, disappointment tonight, but we've got seven days to turn that around. Just a real quick and for a let you go, I know that one of your boys, you've got taken off the hip drop. How much have you been speaking about that because we know these laws are changing so frequently at the moment in rugby union? Yes, and you know, we had a good discussion about that, and it's important that the safety of the player is put first and foremost, so we have got my qualms with that one. We just got to make sure ourselves, but every team is under notice in that area, we just got to make sure we look after the safety of the player in those situations. Commiserations, thank you for your time. No, thank you, Sarah. So let's kiss at Australia, and I suppose if we in a game like this, you're looking at well with team X, good or team Y bad. I think there's no doubt that Australia were bad, but a big part of that was the way in the way and after them physically and completely bust all the collisions, both in attack and defence. And when you do that, even if Australia do have some powerful players, some X back to players and quick players, they didn't get a sniff. No, they did, they looked like they were a long way from home, long season. Last month, we get some time off. But why would they, why did the all blacks not look like that? Because they both had tough schedules, all blacks went to South Africa every time. Yeah, yeah, I get that, but we're talking about Australia, it was nowhere near as good. Yes, true. And that might be part of the reason, but also from a tactical perspective, they didn't get much great ball, but Meredith at 10 really struggled. We had no direction, there was constantly, you could throw a blanket over them in attack, there were no threat to England. It was only late in the game when they made some changes, they actually got a bit of shape and managed to make a handful of breaks, but the game was so far gone by that point. So selection, an issue, let's kiss happy to say England did really well and he's seen some good stuff from his team in training, but there were nowhere near test match intensity today for whatever reason. It'll be, I think we'll get a clearer picture next week. Got Scotland next week. Yes, so I hope they're going to do a job in Scotland, because then we'll go, England must be better than what we're given credit for, because they've just blown Australia away. So I hope that happens, but on the face of it, I think the biggest tell in games of this level is how much energy and effort the players are putting in in Australia were operating at about 20%. It was almost a carbon copy of last season, I just can't get my head erroneed, we're trying to find, or we're all keep trying to find positive for Australia in the moving in the right direction, I ain't seeing it. They keep signing, we'll be league players, these soyley gamble, dread to think how much it gets paid, it doesn't look like a national league player to me. If he was English, he would be playing for England, he just won't be there, but yeah, he's here, he's running around every week for Australia. Just, and they've got two or three more coming, rugby league lugs that they want to get for the World Cup, I have no idea where Australia had it in what direction they're going in, and they've got a World Cup coming in less than a year. You've got to be careful with the rugby league players as I say, England found, I've found with quite a few rugby league, haven't been one for a while, that's there, and I wonder if that's English rugby going, look, there's the odd big success, Jason Robinson, the clearest example, there's a lot of players who get a lot of time, never quite convinced. Yeah, and you know, as she falls into the bracket of the successes, it took in three years, and a lot of hard work to get your head around it, so at least trying to do it at an international level, you said during the game in commentary, you've watched him for five minutes, and he does not know what he's doing. He's a phenomenal athlete, and his debut, senior game of rugby, and he got one of them actually. And he's not played like that since, maybe that's because that was his first game, he's like, you know what, I'm just going to give it everything, I've been signed, big contract, when I'm watching him, I'm watching him rock, he looks like me, and he looks like me when I didn't have a clue, it was going, he doesn't know how to rock, he doesn't know where to hit the rock. There's all sorts, and they're trying to force him into this team, and they've signed more rugby league lads. I still feel better. team in here with Australia. Well, if you name them now, yeah, but won't they're each done. But the Carter Gordon might be fit for Murrayfield. So he he makes a difference at number 10, but and then come next year they get Will Skeleton. I don't know why Valentini wasn't starting today, but you know, maybe that's just a balanced thing. Mark Nangeli-Tawassee probably comes back into play. So I think there's a team, but this is we fun enough. This hasn't been chatted about much this week because I've been so much going on with Vince Smith's car and with the England players coming out swinging on Friday, but this is really likely a World Cup quarterfinal next year. Like like really so so because you're into a semi if that's the case. Well, I mean England would have to win their pool, which has Wales, and you know, you'd never write the Welsh off in that context, but back England to be Wales, that wins them their pool. They play Italy, who I never beat in England last time they've played, but again, England should be beaten Italy, and then a quarterfinal against Australia who would have finished second in their port New Zealand, which looks very likely as things stand. I think it kind of got near the bloodshed they can be, and then they'd have Japan in the 16 Australia. So England Australia, World Cups are funny things, still probably a 50/50. There's a very very very good chance that that's a World Cup quarterfinal, and not a scary one at the stage. And while New Zealand, South Africa, do you get out on the other side of the draw? Can you believe that? Anyway, let's not get into that. A couple more bits. Let's just mention the hip drop, and this is the new thing, and haven't been a presentation with the World Rugby referees on Monday. This was one of the big things that was being flagged, just about the hip drop tackle, and why it's dangerous, why it's coming into the game, and Bell on favourboso, you know, just saying no problems with it. But, and that's a yellow card. All sanctions will start to the yellow card. If they think it's a, it merits a penalty and it merits foul play, a hip track is automatic yellow, and then really really serious ones could be upgraded. But then, guys, help me out with this. favourboso then runs around to a half time. Can I just confirm before we get to that? Both my ankles have zero ligaments in them because of hip drop tackles. It only has to happen once. And it does you for a good few. So you completely, they are, from your experience, really dangerous. Both my ankles. I've got nothing in them, which is great now, because for our ankle, I don't feel it. I don't feel a thing. But it took me, it takes six to eight weeks to get back from that, and they were both hip drop tackles. So, so the terminology for those that aren't aware, this is where a defender grabs an opponent from the side of behind, swings or rotates around them and drops their body weight directly onto the ball carries lower limbs. I'm not sure the bell did it. That, there wasn't, he wasn't, but it what, but it was, yeah, well, I think it was, it was maybe on the harsh side of a yellow, because Bell didn't really collapse on. But it's a misstackle. Yeah, and let's just come out saying no complaints. But it's just a good example, because we might have quite a few of them now going forward. So it's a good example of people to get used to. You've, as you've read it out there and the TMO said the same grab swing and drops is grabbed them. He's not dominated the religion. Swung his body around to the back and then dropped himself down to complete the tackle, which is why he dropped partially onto failure of both those. It's like you get, landing the middle of your car for the back of your car. And you get that, uh, send his Moses or whatever they call it, or inner ankle sprain, because you're toes in the ground. Someone sits on the back of your leg and there's nowhere for you foot to go. So your inner ankle gets squashed into the ground and it's bloody painful. It happened to me. I retired 10 years after played a game and someone landed on the back of my same deal three months out. That's how people tackle it. But amateur level. But that's the time and against bigger people, particularly. Yeah, but but that is. I hope his injury is not too bad because that is a classic example of why it's dangerous. And that's why you have to get rid of it now. Uh, Angus Bell, what's he supposed to do? Well, actually, if you've missed that initial hit, you've got to drop and just clamp his legs. So he's got his arms free. He can get an offload away. But that's the consequence of not making a good tackle and having a mismatch where your wing has come and found the ball and beaten a prop. So I think it's a very clear example of how dangerous it can be. Hopefully not a really bad outcome. You never going to practice it either because it is a mistackle outcome. You, you, you're not going to go in training right? We're just going to miss these tackles and figure out a way round how well they might have to actually because it's going to be a thing, isn't it? So I think we're again pushing the game attacking because the players really just going to have to let that play go. Yeah. Not much way round it. And on a similar note, players have been encouraged to tackle low. So they can't be doing that. So big body up body that you guys would have had all through your career. And then if they go too low and I put their knee on the floor, no, no, that's a penalty. So swing round all the things they've been coached about winning collisions are kind of contradictory to safety. A lot of them aren't they? So we've had so many decades of. Well, okay, so the game line is if you're coaching like right, you just win the game and it's what upper body and upper body. If you passively tackle the way you're taught at school, that's losing the collision. And it's also giving people an opportunity to offload things that coaches would say never do that. But if you're going to be squeaky clean by the law, you're going to have to, as Gray says, concede the gain line and some offloads sometimes. How many tackles, how many tackles are in the game today? A few hundred? One of them. Yeah, and one was flagged. And injured a bit dodgy. So you can, yeah, can no complain about it. But you guys tell me because you would have all played an international or a rock, but you've gone down injured. How does Fabo should play on there for a bit? Talk, talk us through because he played runs around for 15 minutes or whatever it was. Then he goes in a half time and Pollock's out on the wing second half. It was on 15. Was it five or 10? Yes. Okay, but it was. I think there's a case of he's hobbling around. Yeah. But how would he have run off? If he's got say, I know what would the injury be a twisted ankle ankle ligaments? Yeah. How would you run that off? You don't, but because you're on the wing, you wrote the game. There's five minutes to go. Inglaring control, they weren't under a lot of pressure. It was, it's money. So we want to try and keep him out there as long as we can. It's up to money really is decision because every player that goes down is going to say, I'm fine until there's a point where you can't come off. So you've got to give him a bit of a chance to go. It's only after a few minutes, you realize. Then you're so close to half time, do you really want to make that change if you don't, if he's all right? It's probably worth getting to half time like they did. Yeah, it's not as complicated as what you're trying to make it out. And also this human nature of the competitor, you get up and you try and carry on. You're not, you know, it's not the black knight syndrome. It's only a flesh wound. He just genuinely want to carry on with the game. It's not too bad. It really saw at the moment. I just don't know what the injury could have been pretty to be a cup of bone. Who had the broken bone? Who had the broken arm? Well, when he played on so unless he runs, he throws his arm into another contact. He's not really going to know he's got a broken arm. He's playing with a bruise or something. Yeah. So he's like crack on for a minute. And then he gets to the contact. Oh, no, just just up here from the comfort of the gallery. He looked at it. And he went, oh, that's an injury. So he was so and then he tries to run it off. I just couldn't see a scenario where he would run something like that off. And let's see. Let's see. He may, he may be fine. But I've been surprised if he's not out for it. But I mean, I got it. We all thought Vince Smith was a playing. We were all convinced Vince Smith wasn't playing the other car. Fend you two weeks ago. He's just played 83 minutes. Yeah. Yeah. No, just, but maybe maybe slightly different. But anyway, hip drop tackle. And let's hope that that man is not a fibrosis not to injure. Because he said a rotten luck with injuries. And he was outstanding today. As he has been in his last few performances for England, any more for any more side of Jones on the way in. Eddie Jones been here today, getting a getting a look at next week's opponents. Oh, well, I hope that's why I was here. Why else could he have been here? Oh, no. Can you see him, Chris? In the queue. In the queue to court. The corporate loans, right? So he was, he was working as well. Did you have a nice chat? We had a brief chat. Did you know you were? Uh, he had some cool sunglasses on too. I'm not seeing me properly. I probably see my reflecting skin actually through some. I was probably the reason he had the sunglasses on. So yeah, interesting that he's here. He's going to be here next week. He was a little bit tame last time we played Japan. I hope he's not going to take this that approach this time. But he's got to be careful, isn't he in these brief conferences these days? Well, also, I think if England, England play some of the rugby they play today, they could, they could put a few on Japan. He was speaking post matching card. If yes, they're about having to come up with something a bit of orthodox England. Don't like an orthodoxy because, yeah, England can, can score that number of tries and look as lethal as they did from, from first phase. Then they should have some fun next Saturday. Let's see what Eddie's got in store next weekend. Oh, he gets off with the bang for answer. Africa, doesn't it? We've got some fixtures, are we? We've got some fixtures. Maybe if you think that it started, not quite with fireworks this time round. France, Africa, fireworks. We're doing that on five live, aren't we, Grace? I look forward to that. Italy, Argentina, Wales, New Zealand, England, Japan, Ireland, Fiji, and Scotland against Australia. But nation's pod to go through it all and we'll have another pod out at the back end of the week. Well, there's a clear winner there, isn't there on the Friday night? Is there? France, Africa. No, I mean, in the fixture round. Oh, in the fixtures. I thought you were calling France on Africa clearly. I think that's going to be an immense game, that. Well, they're not going to fly half, have they? Looking forward to it. Well, they haven't got one. But there's Luke who play at fly half. He's got two. There's no one else. And what else? Of course, there are other tens in France. Jollywood has gone into Macs, gone. But that was bad, and 10 Macs out for a while. It looks like something Geltier said. But I mean, South Africa beat Italy in first gear, second gear. So that is the game of the weekend, but so much look forward to it. And as I say, we'll have pods all through the week. Thanks so much, Ashie. Thanks so much, Grace. Thanks, everyone for being there. And we'll see you on Tuesday, cheers. Thanks for downloading Rugby Union Weekly. 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