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On both sides of the border, ready to go, connected to the highway infrastructure, and we're very, very excited for Monday and the first car going across the bridge. All right, let's leave it there. Drew Dillkins, mayor of Windsor, nice to see you, sir. Thanks for coming on. Nice to see you. Thanks for having me. Any officials went ahead with the grand opening of the Gordy Howe Bridge today without the presence of their previously invited American counterparts. Where we stand today is truly one region. It is a place of two nations with a shared community. And this iconic bridge and man, it's a nice looking bridge. It really is. It stands as a symbol of our promise to future generations. We are investing in infrastructure that enables resiliency and improves the secure and efficient movement of people and goods for decades and decades to come. Michigan State Center, Stephanie Chang joins me now, nice to see you, Senator. I think so much for having me. So after a long and sometimes arduous battle, it seems the Gordy Howe Bridge will finally open to traffic at least on Monday. What does this mean for the people in your district and for Michigan as a whole? Well, it's an exciting day. You know, this bridge has been many years and in fact, decades into making and Michiganders and Americans and especially Detroiters and folks in Southwest Detroit are excited about this finally taking place. You know, Michigan and Ontario have a special connection, a special friendship as someone who is proud to be a Detroiter and to Detroit across over to Windsor quite often. I'm very much recognized how important our share of relationship is and our share friendship. So again, just so thrilled that the bridge will finally finally be open. This was supposed to be a big, you know, binauchional celebration with officials from both sides there today to cut the ribbon. You know, to mark what is really a momentous occasion in our cross-border relationship, but as you know, the Canadians essentially scrap that joint celebration following President Trump's latest terror threats. What's your reaction to this decision to go it alone on cutting the ribbon? Yeah, I mean, again, for me, the main thing is that the bridge is finally going to be open. I think it would have been absolutely preferred that it would be a binauchal event earlier today, but that wasn't the case. Ultimately, again, I'm just focused on the fact that we're going to be able to have this bridge finally be open and bring about the economic benefits as well as just strengthening the relationship between both countries. It's so important right now. Again, just recognizing also so many of the people who live in the neighborhoods where the bridge is landing on both sides of the border have really seen so much over the past few decades related to this ongoing saga and to the fact that this is finally happening is the main thing. So I'm trying to not get struck by the fact that we got disinflated, but and more so focus on the fact that the bridge is finally open. We'll be open on one day. One of the reasons why that was scrapped as well is because we had to go back to the drawing board on the terror on the toll situation. As you know, President Trump kind of forced us to redo the revenue sharing deal. Now Canada has to share 50% of the net revenues from the tolls that are collected for the first 15 years and put it into this fund that's controlled by the Trump administration in part. What do you make of this last minute maneuvering? You know, the prime minister in this country is facing some heat here giving Canada a loan finance the bridge. Yeah, I mean, I will remind folks all day every day that Canada paid for the bridge and this was a great deal and the fact that, you know, now there's a renegotiated deal. I was not involved in that and I definitely recognize that the delays shouldn't have happened to the first place, but I'm just trying to stay focused on the fact that we're here now. Finally, the bridge will get open. I think many of the decisions that have been made by President Trump and his administration have not been in the best interests of Americans and are really important relationship friendship with Canada. And so it's really unfortunate, but again, the fact that the bridge will finally be open is a great step. And I hope that we can use that as an opportunity to continue to build this important relationship. The Maroon family, which, which owns the neighboring ambassador, bridge has opposed this project from the very beginning. As I think you know, you know, there was a lawsuit. There's been lobbying and aggressive campaign to shut it down. The New York Times has also reported there was a phone call between Matthew Maroon and the US Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnik just before Trump, you know, first threatened to stime me this bridge. What do you make of what the Maroon family has done to try and block this bridge from going ahead? Well, unfortunately, this has been an ongoing story and residents on both sides of the display River No all too well, how devastating the Maroon family and their related companies have been to the neighborhoods surrounding the ambassador bridge and beyond. And so, you know, it's unfortunate that they're, you know, whether it's the financial contributions or other levels of power and influence they have used have been, unfortunately, negatively impacting both the traders and Canadians. But again, Monday and today, important things to celebrate just happy that the bridge is finally open. And I think it's a really, it speaks to how important again our relationship truly is. President Trump, you know, is promising to hit more Canadian goods with a 50% tariff in a month's time in the Oval Office today. He promised a big tariff on Canada over the wildfire smoke. You know, Canadians really feel under siege, frankly, at this point, as the President wages his tariff for Senator, what's your message to Canadians who feel like the bilateral relationship has really been left in tatters after months of these sort of attacks? Yeah, again, I think that it's so important that we continue to build this important financial relationship. I'm proud to be a part of that and grateful for the fact that the bridge is finally open. The tariff decision that has been made at the federal level has been incredibly unpredictable and, and honestly, really damaging. And we hear that all the time from our residents and farmers and others across, you know, automotive sector and others. So I think that we, I would hope that our federal administration, you know, especially on a day like today, will change course and at least offer some more predictability. I think that our own consumers deserve that, our international partners deserve that, and, you know, our leaders and various segments of our economy, you know, need to be that. So, I think and thanks for the opportunity to be on with you and today's a good day. All right, let's see for there. Thank you so much. Michigan State Center, Stephanie Chang, appreciate your time. Thank you. Trump is renewing threats to impose a tariff on Canada because of the wildfire smoke traveling south of the border. I think we're going to put a major tariff on Texas, on Mexico, because of the lettuce, and we're going to put a big tariff on Canada because of the smoke. I told Canada they have to do something about, you know, we've never had this problem. All of a sudden we have this problem with Canada. So we'll have to talk to them about that. This comes after the White House announced new plans to hit Canada with a 50% tariff on a number of goods earlier this week. In response to those threats, Prime Minister Mark Carney told reporters retaliation is among the strategies Canada is considering. What kinds of trade retaliation measures are you willing to consider now if any? And is everything on the table if there's no agreement before August 19th? Everything's on the table if there's no agreement, depending on the outcome of the negotiations. There's a full range of things that we can do in that regard. We don't need to respond in advance. In fact, I think it would be counterproductive, but at this stage, you respond in advance. Joining me now is the executive director of the Future of Borders Coalition. Laura Dawson, nice to see you. Laura, thanks for coming on. Nice to see you, Jay. So Laura, just as we were coming on the air, President Donald Trump was again threatening new tariffs. Big tariffs, he says on Canada, over the wildfires pardon the bad pun, but do you think he's blowing smoke or is there a chance we're hit again with new tariffs over this natural disaster? Well, there's nothing that the president likes more than getting an impact. And this is definitely a line that's getting a rise out of people. A lot of the Americans are experiencing the Canadian wildfire fire smoke. Most of the Americans I know are being very understanding. It's a natural disaster. It's a thing we share. The thing about tariffs is they have to be somehow based in their national trade law. You can stretch it and you can pull it as they've done before, but there's absolutely no basis in trade law for wildfire smoke. So while he's getting an impact from it, I don't see even the most peculiar gymnastics by James and figuring out another way to translate those into cross-border trade tariffs. Let's talk about the other tariffs. It's hard to keep track sometimes. There's just so many coming at us, but, actually, and that's the other 50% tariffs that were threatened earlier this week on hundreds of Canadian goods, billions of dollars with the products. Why do you think that Trump is going that direction now? Do you think it's to further punish this country? Is it to jolt Canada into action and the Kuzma talks? In your view, what do you think was the motivation for levying new tariffs on more goods at this juncture? Sure. So we've had two sets of tariffs this week. Let's talk about what they call the 338s first. And those two may seem to be a more targeted tariff, which are designed to galvanize action from Canada. They're a 50% tariff. They're targeted towards auto sector-- or they're targeted towards many products, but they're intended to galvanize action in auto sector dairy and the alcohol ban. And so I think that is fairly specific towards Canada saying, hey, guys, get the lead out. We've got a USMCA, Kuzma conversation going on. We want to see you bend a little bit to that. At the same time, when you look at the actual numbers, it's not a great deal of trade that is covered. It's about 10%-- 5% of Canada US trade. So it's a large percentage terms, but the actual amount of trade is not that large. I think it is more focused and is more focused on getting progress in these Kuzma conversations. The other tariffs, however, that's a different thing entirely. Yeah, I mean, on those tariffs that are designed to-- in your opinion, spur action on Kuzma-- do you think that there's a chance that they're lifted, like that they don't go into effect? Because it's really-- the timeline is 30 days, right, before these are due to take effect. James and Greer suggested what you're saying here is that we want to get Canada talking about some of these issues. Do you think there's a chance we avoid them entirely? Like, can we get some tariff relief in 30 days? It seems like a short timeline. I think there's a pathway to do that. I think the three sectors or areas that they've targeted, we've heard from experts that there is a reconcilable solution in all three of those sectors. They're not no-go zones for anybody. It's just a matter of getting the negotiators to the table and figuring something out. Also, those, what they call, 338. And I'm a trade policy professor. I never heard of a 338. They've never been used before. They're one of those presidential instruments. They don't have to have oversight from commerce, but they can be overturned by the courts. We don't want to go through that process. That's what happened with those IEPA fentanyl tariffs that took a full year to get overturned by the courts. But these are one of those discretionary presidential instruments that he can throw on quickly, but hopefully can be removed quickly if he sees progress. And what do we mean by progress? This president wants things he can announce as good news stories that come directly from his actions and interventions. So I think we're on a road that these tariffs could be preempted, but there'll have to be some progress in Kuzma, USMCA. You might have heard Ontario Premier Doug Ford. He says, if these new tariffs do take effect, the 50% tariffs, the 338 tariffs, as you call them, if they do take effect, we should hit back at the Americans. He wants to see an escalation, not only in the rhetoric, he also wants us to pull some trade levers to make the US pay. Hit back dollar for dollar. Do you think that that's an effective strategy? I think the Premier Ford does what he thinks is a Ontario's best interest. I'm not going to take that away from him. But when I'm talking to my members, folks whose livelihoods depend on functional cross-border trade, some of whom, their major customer is the United States, escalation and ratcheting things up, just makes things more expensive and more difficult for them. I think in my opinion, we follow a path of trying to make progress incrementally, not to make waves, not to escalate, because we know this is a guy who hits back, and he doesn't necessarily respond to market signals in the United States. Americans that I talk to, they all know tariffs are costing them money, but they don't feel like they're being heard in this issue either. So I'm really hesitant about advice to escalate, to ratchet it up, to hit Americans hard. It feels like reacting an anger, feels like the natural thing to do, but it's not necessarily the strategy you want to follow. - On Kuzma, you might have heard US trade representative James Ingrier this week told Congress that he wants to have something between Canada and the US, and then separately Mexico by the end of the year, and he's saying that there's actually a chance some of these more sensitive discussions, like on the rules of origin around autos, that could extend into 2027. Are you concerned when you hear Greer talk about these relatively long timelines, saying that really it could be December or even 2027 before something comes together? - Now that's really what I expect for an incredibly complex agreement, hundreds, thousands of pages of texts, really technical issues that you need to be speaking to industry with, you need to be getting the technical input from sectors, from experts, from all three countries. What worries me a lot more are people to say, "Oh yeah, we'll have a deal by next week." It's simply a matter of scratching some things down in the back of a novel, "I want to see them take the time that it requires to do a deal that is technically correct, that responds to the needs of business, and really does what we need in a comprehensive tri-partite agreement." And I think talking about it being a Canada US deal and US Mexico deal, that doesn't surprise me either. I don't think we have to get rid of the whole Kuzma in order to make progress in bilateral areas, but the trade issues for Mexico and the trade issues for Canada are different. There are different areas of focus and challenge and sensitivity. - Yeah, on that note, in terms of the bilateral relationship, we see that the Mexicans just had another round negotiations with the USTR with Greer this week. In fact, he personally met with the Mexican president, Claudia Shainbaum, and they have scheduled more talks for September, and yet nothing formal between Canada and the US to this point. What do you think is going on here? How do you interpret the limited face time between our two countries to this point? - Okay, so the optimistic self says that the issues between US and Canada are not actually that great, because they have very similar commercial and trade practices and economies, both advanced industrial economies. There aren't a ton of things that need to be reconciled, whereas between US and Mexico, there's much more. So that's the optimistic side. It says it's a smaller conversation. The less optimistic side says, maybe Canada is pushing too much stuff down the field. Maybe they're taking an old or outdated negotiating strategy where nothing is decided until everything's decided or delaying to soften up the US. This is not, in my opinion, a strong strategy for Canada to be taking right now. So I hope that they are engaged in productive conversations on whatever and wherever they can be talking. And again, our members coming from all parts of Canada, all sorts of sectors are saying, "Hey, we'd like to be a part of the conversation when it comes to technical issues on construction and building products and food products and agriculture and various types of services and manufacturing. They want to be part of that conversation and they want Ottawa to hear what they're saying." - All right, let's see for there. Thank you so much to Laura Dawson from the Future Boarders Coalition. Appreciate you coming on, Laura. - You're very welcome. (upbeat music) - After a delay from the US side of the border, Canadian officials gathered in Windsor, Ontario today to finally mark the opening of the Gordy Howe International Bridge. - This bridge has risen up against ever-shifting backdrops of uncertainty amidst a global pandemic that made crossing the border impossible against a trade war that has amplified all that this bridge stands for. The Gordy Howe International Bridge is more than a new landmark on the Detroit River Skyline. It's an example of what we can achieve when our two great countries work together. - This bridge is a game changer just like Gordy Howe was in his day. And we prepared a welcome first crossings on Monday. Let us remember why we built this bridge to connect our communities and our countries to inspire and improve lives, to create and safeguard jobs, to build a resilient future and to build Canada strong. - American officials were not invited to that ceremony after President Donald Trump threatened a new 50% tariff on Canadian goods. This week, Prime Minister Mark Carney met with Premiers in Charlottesown to discuss the response to that threat. And he said everything is on the table while some Premiers push for retaliation, others push for diplomacy. We are united in direction and objective and purpose and seriousness about the response. - If these talks fail in 29 days, we need to hit them back as hard as we can. - If the Prime Minister calls British Columbia and says he needs support with some big sticks to have conversations at the table, then we'll be there. - What's in everyone's best interest in North America, the entirety of North America, for us to come to agreement in a reviewed and renewed coup smut. I don't think it's very confusing. to go into an negotiation saying, or else, right? I mean, I think everybody is trying to get them to find out what the or else is. And I don't think you go into an negotiation, promising to punch someone in the nose. I feel some days that I'm standing alone protecting Canada. And I need everyone else to get on side. Time now for the Power Panel. Cameron Ahmed was a head of communications to former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Rachel Siegel is a former director of policy in the Harper government. Andrew Thompson is a former NDP cabinet minister in Saskatchewan. Nice to see you all. Nice to have you on this Friday, weighing on some important matters facing this country. Cameron, let's start with you. Obviously it's been a long and bumpy road to getting this Gordie Howbridge open. We had the ribbon cutting today, but the Americans weren't there. Was that the right decision to disinvite the American contingent? Well, I mean, the short answer is nothing is simple anymore. Even the opening of a fantastic new piece of infrastructure for both countries. And I think there's been a lot going on behind the scenes that we don't know all the answers to right now. But at the end of the day, what I think Canadians will judge from this announcement is whether this bridge actually contributes, and it will, frankly, contribute to the Canadian economy. It will be a huge boon for both Ontario and border states in Michigan and the United States. And that's what Canadian officials were celebrating today. And I think rather than focusing on the communications and the back and forth that has gone on throughout the week, I think what the long term story of this whole project will be the contributions, the economic contributions to Canada, beyond the amount of money that Canada had to put into get it built. Rachel, it says a lot about the bilateral relationship that we're opening a bridge to the US, and there are no Americans there to market. What should we take away from that? I think it also says a lot about the relationship when you have the infrastructure minister crossing his fingers that it's going to open on Monday. So today was a good day for Canada. I will give that to the country. It's unfortunate that the Americans weren't there with us. But I think that what a lot of Canadians are wondering is, what was the deal that was made between the Prime Minister and the United States? When it came to actually opening this bridge, because the Prime Minister came out talking a lot about how this is a great deal for Canada. And like I said, I will give him that in the context of the economic boom that it will bring to the country. But at the end of the day, what was it that he conceded on in terms of the $6.4 billion that Canadian taxpayers paid for this bridge? And us eventually getting reimbursed for some of that. We had the Prime Minister out, and CBC reporter is asking him what the deal was over the last couple of weeks. And he was not clear with Canadians as to what was in that deal and agreement until we actually saw the agreement itself. Something that has kind of become a pattern of behavior for this Prime Minister and Prime Minister's office. So ultimately, you know, the Prime Minister had two options. He could lead the bridge empty and not do any deal. Or he could create this deal and that doesn't really look like it was in Canada's best interest, but allow for a good deal in terms of economic development. I think Canadians have to judge whether or not that was positive. Yeah, Andrew, give me your thoughts on that. So we have to hand over half of the net revenues for the first 15 years at this bridge is open to get the Americans on side to agree to open this thing. The Prime Minister has offered some shifting explanations initially saying net profits. Now it's net revenues. We're still not really sure just how much it's going to be. It couldn't be a huge sum. It could be not so big. I mean, from some of the experts we've heard from to this point say it probably won't be very much given the substantial operating costs that there will be in the initial few years. But still, we had to hand over some cash to the Americans even though we finance it ourselves. What do you make of that arrangement? Well, I do think it goes back to the very first part of this deal, which was the foolishness of us deciding to finance this by ourselves. This was a Harper-era deal. They obviously made a decision at that point that throwing six and a half billion dollars at it, entirely with Canadian risk. It was worth it. And I think all three of us on this panel would still today say it's worth it. Overall, to have this bridge open that this is an important piece of strengthening Canada supply lines decreasing a lot of our risk of being trapped on a set on a trap to a set of infrastructure that we don't really have control over. So, you know, this is a part of unfortunately what it's like to do business with Trump apparently. I do think though that one of the problems that the Prime Minister has had in this file is that he's the one fronting the file. And I appreciate this strategically for the last year. It's been important for the Liberals to be able to show this is Mark Carney's show. It's not Justin Trudeau showed him was about 90% of Justin Trudeau's ministers and his caucus. It's Mark Carney's show. And where this is I think starting out a triple map is he really does need to be able to turn these files over. Have ministry stand in front of cameras give the expelations have deputy stand in front of cameras be able to give the background rather than him simply front again. And this is what's tripped them up and I do think this is a political problem for him. But certainly not one that's insurmountable and I don't know that overall any Prime Minister would have done anything much differently in terms of getting this result. And this bridge needed to open the money's been spent. It needs to it needs to move forward. Yeah Cameron it seems like the government was initially kind of reluctant to spell out what exactly they agreed to kind of came out and dribs and drabs as to what exactly the commitment was to the Americans. Why do you think that was maybe a bit sheepish about having to cut a check to the Americans for the first 15 years. What would be motivating that reluctance to really communicate clearly what's to come. So I don't think any of us actually know exactly why we can all make predictions or we can all make presumptions about what was behind it. But I think that and I think Canadians also understand this that the Prime Minister is juggling the highest stakes right now. He's dealing with the most important relationship and an enormous amount is on his plate when it comes to negotiating with the United States and with the President directly. So part of that back and forth involves having to withhold some information even if in normal times we would expect and we would ask to see all those details we would expect to see them up front we would expect all that transparency. So I think there's a in a in a negotiation scenario like this where you're dealing with many other things that are frankly. Even more important and more consequential on the broader economy to withhold some of this information to not be able to share it all in real time is completely understandable and makes a lot of sense. But I think ultimately what they wanted to get done was to be able to make this announcement to be able to show that the bridge is going to be operational and the economic consequences on the positive end for both countries but primarily for Canada are there and that's what they're displaying right now. So they're hoping that that can be the bigger story and the one that sticks in Canadians minds well beyond questions about revenue sharing or cost sharing. Rachel, let's get your thoughts on what the President said today. I think we have his social media post that he put up today about the Gordy Howbridge of the control room can throw it up for us. I think we have it. He was saying he's fine with being disinvited. Canada disinvited the United States of America to the opening of the Gordy Howbridge which is fine considering they are paying substantial tariffs to the United States. The original deal on the bridge which was terribly negotiated by a previous administration no longer stands. We changed the terms of the deal so that the United States now gets 50% of the profit. Rachel, maybe let's talk about the tariff aspect of that social media post. He's certainly reminding us again and again he's hammering us with tariffs just this week. Another potential 50% on millions of dollars worth of products. Yeah, absolutely. I mean what we would expect to see this kind of comment from Donald Trump it's always about the kind of win that he can put forward to the American people whether in real reality that it's a win or not for the US. But in terms of you know Prime Minister Karni and the bridge specifically it needed to be a win because we haven't really seen that in terms of building big projects at home or massive shifts on the negotiations with the United States over the last little while. But one thing that I wanted to really talk about is the disconnects between PMO and the secrecy around these types of deals and the pattern of behavior we've seen from PMO when it comes to telling Canadians about what's happening with the negotiations and the reality on the ground in Canada. You know very well JP the ups and downs of these trade negotiations are deeply hurting our economy but that also means that it is deeply hurting Canadians. It's hurting families, it's hurting businesses, it's hurting long term growth and planning. And so the fact that the Prime Minister's office for the last year plus has been so secretive and what they are negotiating on is just adding to that ambiguity in being able to plan for the long term strength of the economy. And so I think going back to the tweet you know we're always going to see that from Donald Trump. We saw him today talking about Canada having to pay for the smoke that's coming down to the US and I think that's going to be a great deal. we're building a golden dome to try and help with that. But ultimately, we have to deal with the partner that we have. But Canadians also want to hear the leadership component understand what their government is doing, recognizing that he can't put the full negotiation on the table. - Yeah, Andrew to Cameron's point, the prime minister is holding his cards close to his chest. I think probably for a good reason. You know, he doesn't want to air all of what's going on, the machinations behind the scenes, but do you think it needs to be more frank about what is the challenge they are facing at this point? And how do you think the prime minister should handle this new wrinkle of a potential 50% tariff? Levy on more goods. Should there be retaliation? Should he hit back? And should he follow Ontario Bremer Doug Ford's recipe for how to handle something like this? - Well, I think we all know what the problem is with these negotiations. And the problem is the American president doesn't know what he wants to get out of them. And it's very hard to negotiate with a partner that doesn't actually have an end game in mind. And what he does seem to want, the what Trump seems to want is a situation that's not win, win or expand the pie. He needs to have winners and losers. And he looks at this as one of those situations. So, I mean, what do Canadians know? We know that we still have coups in place until 2036 that we've got, you know, there will be continued hiccups. There has been for the last many years on a number of the files, whether that's aluminum or steel or on wood. Now that we're going to continue to have to have these conversations with Americans one off time by time to try and sort through them. But I think it's difficult to put out a, you know, a roadmap beyond saying that we're going to push the Americans to keep to the deal. We're going to continue to try to keep our borders open. We're going to continue to try to diversify. The piece of the message that I don't think is being picked up, certainly not being picked up by the business community, is that mean to diversify? You know, we've had CEDA in place with the European since 2017 very little Canadian business uptake on that. Now whether that's a fault of the government not doing more to open up those markets and build pathways for them or business not taking advantage of it, I don't know. But we've got to, at some point, realizes Canadians that the way we've always expected to work with the Americans has simply changed. Can by terms of the provinces. Question you ask is to who, you know, which way do you follow? You follow Scott Moe's approach, which is just bold. You follow Doug Ford's approach, which is, you know, man, the ramparts are in a way. Turn off the electricity. I don't know what else he's got in mind. I mean, I suspect the Prime Minister is looking for a Goldilocks solution. And we need to see a little bit in terms of what actually needs to be done to bring the Americans to the table and to get a deal. Ambassador Greer's comments today, I thought we're very, or this week, we're pretty helpful in terms of he was at least pointing to the fact that this likely we're going to get a deal in the next year. Cameron, you worked for a Prime Minister that did hit back at the Americans, you know, and slapped retaliatory tariffs on a whole host of American goods, which is, ostensibly, why we're facing this new 50% tariff threat this week. What is the call here? Do you think that we hit them back? Do we just hope that we can negotiate these away when Kuzma comes up? Well, I think the most important thing that the Prime Minister can do is to continue this responsible diplomacy that he's displaying, continue the conversations behind the scenes, keep the channels open. Let's remember, despite everything that we hear out loud, there are conversations happening that we don't know about and that we don't hear about, which are critical, which is, frankly, how we were able to get Kuzma across the finish line in the first place. And so, yeah, you know, the Prime Minister Trudeau did retaliate on some occasions, but in the vast majority of our communications about the US and about how we dealt with them and one-on-one when we were dealing with them, it was looking for concrete real progress that we could make at the negotiating table or even just on the sidelines of it. So I think that's what the Prime Minister is trying to display. And it, as you've said, you can't just put all your cards out. You have to be able to have those negotiations strategically behind the scenes. It's also how you keep markets stable. It's how you show confidence in the economy. And to Andrews Point, I mean, what more could he be doing? I think he's doing the absolute best that he can to try and get our markets diversified. We just had conversations on trade with the UAE, a trade agreement with the UAE conclude today. He is pushing that as far as he can. The whole world is recognizing it. And Canadian businesses, yeah, of course, we're going to keep doing business with the US as long as possible. But slowly, the carny vision is to make Canada much more connected to the rest of the world. All right, let's see what they're there. Thank you so much, Cameron. All right, Rachel Segal and Andrew Thompson, nice to see you. Have a good weekend. That's it for today. If you liked this episode, please follow the pod and catch our next live show on CBC News Network. We're on weekdays at 5 p.m. Eastern. I'm JP Tasker. Thanks for listening. [MUSIC PLAYING] For more CBC podcasts, go to cbc.ca/podcasts.