The transcript highlights a growing narrative that the true danger lies not in the contents of the Epstein files, but in the fear and cover-up tactics by Donald Trump’s administration. Representative Thomas Massey insists that names connected to Epstein are not merely in phone books but are proven guilty through unredacted documents, demanding investigations and prosecutions despite federal inaction. He emphasizes that the fight for transparency is being led by progressive Democrats, including Congresswoman Yasemin Ansari, who advocate for a discharge petition to force the release of files and empower survivors and state attorneys general. The shutdown of Congress by Mike Johnson is framed as a politically motivated effort to stifle transparency and avoid accountability. Elon Musk’s public claim that Trump was in the Epstein files triggered a violent reaction from Trump, with Senator Ted Cruz describing Trump’s knuckles turning white and him learning new swear words in the Oval Office—revealing deep fear and anger. This moment underscores the intense political stakes and suggests Trump’s administration is deeply anxious about the exposure of its inner workings. The narrative calls for continued pressure on the administration, urging supporters to amplify the push for transparency, especially as Republican lawmakers like Nancy Mace and Patrick Murphy show openness to joining the petition. The movement is seen as a pivotal moment in accountability, where the public must demand answers and protect the rights of victims, even as political forces attempt to shut down the process.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think what isn't in the files might be more important than what is. And by that I mean the stories of Donald Trump's fear, the attempts to cover up all that went on in back rooms and in the oval office, everything that happened in a secure bunker or the situation room. The story of covering up the files might even be more damaging than what is inside of them. And that is exactly what we are getting right now. A story of how scared Donald Trump was courtesy of Elon Musk. We got so much to get into and I think this story is especially prescient given that Mike Johnson literally just shut down the house once again to make sure that there could not be any further motion on Thomas Massey and Rohkahn's discharge petition for a second transparency act because the first one wasn't enough because the president's petto, he's in the files and he's a criminal, really at this point we should just start calling him the Trump files. But I want to start with Thomas Massey who had this to say about what is going to be revealed from what he's seen, why this release is so important and why this story about Trump and Elon and the files is really really bad. Hey to acknowledge the trolls on the internet. But this one is for them. There's not one member of Congress on the Republican side that's done one percent of what I've done. And right now the impetus is the onus I should say is on Trump's administration. Like just admit it, he has all of the redactions. He's got the other three million files. Well don't blame the one dude. This is how I know their trolls. They're blaming the one dude that got all this set into motion. And it's up to them now. And then as far like before we go to the second bill too, as far as like reading the names, they say, oh those names are already out there. Yeah, they're in phone books. Are they in the Epstein files? Of course you would expect to see names in the Epstein files of perpetrators. When I read those names on the floor, what I am telling you is I have other information that shows they are guilty. I have to protect my sources. Those people are guilty. They need to be, you know, I'll hold out a one percent chance that they're not guilty because you're innocent and tell proven guilty in this country. So you know, that's why I say they need to be investigated and then prosecuted. But the DOJ is doing none of that. They're not doing any investigations on these individuals. So yeah, we knew those names. Go look in a phone book. You can find those names. My name's in the Epstein files for trying to get the Epstein files released, right? There is new information, even though those names are findable. There is new information conveyed. And I'm doing so at risk to my health and life and well-being and financial well-being later in life to go out and call out these powerful people as being guilty and worthy of investigation and prosecution. It's time to name even more names. We saw it earlier this week that Rep Massey went on the house floor and was talking about the men who he said he knows our guilty just based off what he's read and that more information coming out further unredacted files would prove that to be the case. These are people with buildings still named after them scholarships in their names and that this must end. We must take on the Epstein class. And the fact that the mainstream media barely gave that any coverage. It was on C-SPAN and that was it. I didn't even really see a lot of conversation on on YouTube about it. Nobody covered it on CNN or MS now. Foxes talked about Hassan Piker, more than they have Epstein, which I think is a huge shock to everyone that they're not interested in the truth. But we know that Donald Trump is just as scared as he's ever been, right? Maybe a little less so with Todd Blanch, who is literally the man who pledged to cover up the files for Trump when he went to go visit Galein in Tallahassee. So maybe he's a little less nervous. But how about we make him nervous, right? The independent media has, Katie Fang has, might as touch has. The work they've done has been incredible. How about we keep up that pressure? Well, that is something that Ted Cruz accidentally did, right? You talk about the independent media. Ted Cruz has got a podcast. So I guess he counts. But Ted Cruz accidentally stole, told the story of that moment where Elon sent his tweet about Trump and oh my god, does it reveal a lot? His knuckles turn white. Ted Cruz says Trump raged as Elon named him in the files. Donald Trump erupted the moment in aid handed him a printout of billionaire Elon Musk post claiming he was in the files. Senator Ted Cruz said Cruz described the scene during an interview published on Wednesday on the Patrick Bet David podcast. The Texas Republican said he was in the Oval Office arguing for school choice or just, you know, decimating of our public schools is really what that is. I think that's a better framing. When the post landed, Musk published the post on June 5, 2025 as his alliance with Trump collapsed according to CNN. He wrote that Trump appeared in the government's files on the late offender Epstein and that this was why the records had not been released. Natalie comes in, oh my lord, we're name dropping Natalie in discussions about the files with the tweet printed on a piece of paper of course and hands it to us and he literally reads the tweet Cruz explained and I'm sitting in the Oval Office in his knuckles turn white. The aid is Natalie Harp, Trump's executive assistant whom West Wing colleagues call his human printer according to the Daily Beast. She follows the president carrying a portable printer and hands him news stories and social media posts throughout the day. Cruz said he had no idea what the paper said until Trump showed it to him in the room. I don't know what it is yet. Cruz said it happens that second like the second they handed to him. And he was so pissed I joked I learned some curse words I didn't even know. Ted Cruz said he learned some curse words from Trump when he saw Elon's tweets saying he was in the files. That's when the school choice went off the rails. Cruz said we were done talking about school choice and Trump had some technical reviews to say about Elon. That's a moment I will never forget of. Just okay, there's a grenade thrown in the middle of everything. The post had gone up less than an hour after Trump threatened to cancel federal contracts and subsidies for Mr. Mus companies. Time to drop the real big bomb Donald Trump is in the Epstein files must road on Twitter. That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day DJT Ted Cruz is truly one of the stupidest people in politics and he was recently asked about running for president in 2028 which is like good fucking knock yourself out Ted have a blast like I really you think you think people want you to be pret okay whatever talk about delusion really truly my god but Ted Cruz is asked he's like oh you know I still want to be he's like not even pretending like you know I still I've always wanted to be president like yeah we know because you're a psychopath anyone who really wants to be president it's a bit of a psycho let's be honest about that I think we can all agree but but to Ted Cruz gets asked and then JD Vance is asked about Ted Cruz saying he wants to run for president and this is like the only funny thing Vance has ever said he was like we know Ted is a really authentic and and likable guy so I'm sure he'll do just fine which is like so clearly being like fucking everybody hates your Ted Cruz but why would you say that why would you be like let me tell the story of how Donald Trump was made so furious by Elon Musk post that his knuckles turned white and he was making up new swear words oh Ted it seems like you're revealing that the president of the United States is not happy about us talking about the files so maybe we should talk about the files like has there ever been a better reason than this to talk about the files knowing how crazy it drives Donald Trump like how do you think he feels about Katie Fang how do you think he feels about this discussion probably just as furious and it also goes to show the Donald Trump or Musk had to give away something big for them now to come back together because their buddies they're friendly enough at least Elon hasn't lost his contract so although you know next democratic administration I think that's what should happen but my god it is just insanity and it is why Mike Johnson is shut down the house again I think that goes without saying and it's clearly clearly why we need to be talking about the files more which is why I'm glad that there are Democrats and Thomas Masley leading this charge one of them is Congresswoman Yasemin Ansari and here's what she had to say about the new the new the new movement for transparency part two Congresswoman obviously you're one of the leaders of these seconds epsilon finals transparency act you tell us a bit about what it does or what it would do yeah so there is a discharge petition on the four right now which means that we are trying to get 218 signatures and what this would do is that because the Trump administration has been leading the biggest cover-up in American history in the way that they have refused to release the entirety of the Epstein files require the first transparency act to do so and they improperly release names and personal information
of the survivors, this would allow state attorney generals, members of Congress, survivors, etc. to sue and go after the administration for failing to comply. And so it provides us with much stronger and unability measures and gives a lot more power right, frankly, to the survivors in particular to go after this administration, so I'm talking about people like Todd Blant, who is now the attorney general and who is leading the most massive and aggressive American history, so we are pushing very hard to get those signatures, we need to get this passed because we are not going to give up this fight on getting the full X-T and files the least to the American people. Again, this is why the house is shut down. This is why they don't want to do their job because they are not focused on governing. This is a group of people who fundamentally can. They are focused on pedoprotection and what a funny message, what a funny closing midterm message that is to be like, "You know that war you hate, we're not going to do anything to stop it." You know those files you want released, well there's people in the house actually who are working to release them, but we're going to shut this shit down so they can't and elect us again. How about the two most broadly, you could say popular or unpopular files, of course unpopular war, unpopular, but I mean like doing something about these things. The most popular issues, we're going to be on the wrong side of them and we're going to stop the Congress so nothing can be done so elect us to run the Congress again. It's like it's truly historic levels of these people are fucking morons and the problem for them is that they will have to come back in session after the midterms when I think it like someone like a Atomist Massey or even like a Don Bacon like Republicans who are retired or Don are lost or Nancy Mace are going to be really willing to just burn it all down. They know the direction that things are going in, why not just fuck with them? Nancy Mace made that pretty clear when she had this to say about the files. "Carns from the west to the reception bin so far about the second Epstein files transparency accurately." When I signed it, I think there are already more than a dozen lawmakers and I'm going to go ask Massey if he's going to hit 8-18 and how fast it's absolutely something we need to do. The victims need to be able to go get the information and evidence for them and our attorney generals especially in New Mexico need to be able to continue the investigation and get files from the DOJ and Southern District of New York, etc. "What are you hearing from your Republican colleagues on the petition?" "It's Patrick says that he's likely and Wesley Hansen he was open to it." "To signing the discharge petition." "Oh, that'll be fantastic." "I was about to go ask Massey about it today, I'm like how many signatures do we have? How quickly can we get this thing going?" "Are you doing a campaign trail to support Mrs. Senator Darrell?" I don't think anyone would ever peg me as the greatest Nancy Mace fan out there, but if she wants to continue to talk about the files and continue to help Democrats, Nancy, we're all on board. Come on the show. Friend of the show Nancy Mace. New friend of the show Nancy Mace, please, we wish her well. We welcome you on the show. We'd love to have you. And yeah, let's just get this shit done. I truly don't know what else to say besides, let's get this shit done. I told these people accountable and let's continue to make Trump white knuckle the rest of the presidency. That sounds beautiful to me. We're going to keep talking about that on this show and if you want to support that work as always, you can hit that subscribe button. Leave a like on this video. If you stuck around to the end, drop a blue heart in the comments. If you want to go one step further in supporting the show, do go on over to Spotify, follow us there, the Jack Kotcherella show and leave five stars. Keep on fighting y'all. Don't let them sound. Yeah. Until next time.
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Key Points:
The potential for greater damage lies not in the content of the Epstein files, but in the story of Donald Trump’s fear and attempts to cover them up, especially as revealed by Elon Musk’s public claim that Trump was in the files.
Representative Thomas Massey asserts that names linked to Epstein are not just in public records but are proven guilty through internal documents, urging investigations and prosecutions despite the DOJ’s inaction.
The shutdown of Congress by Mike Johnson reflects a deliberate effort to block transparency efforts, particularly those pushing for the release of unredacted Epstein files and accountability of powerful figures, including Trump allies like Todd Blant.
Summary:
The transcript highlights a growing narrative that the true danger lies not in the contents of the Epstein files, but in the fear and cover-up tactics by Donald Trump’s administration. Representative Thomas Massey insists that names connected to Epstein are not merely in phone books but are proven guilty through unredacted documents, demanding investigations and prosecutions despite federal inaction. He emphasizes that the fight for transparency is being led by progressive Democrats, including Congresswoman Yasemin Ansari, who advocate for a discharge petition to force the release of files and empower survivors and state attorneys general.
The shutdown of Congress by Mike Johnson is framed as a politically motivated effort to stifle transparency and avoid accountability. Elon Musk’s public claim that Trump was in the Epstein files triggered a violent reaction from Trump, with Senator Ted Cruz describing Trump’s knuckles turning white and him learning new swear words in the Oval Office—revealing deep fear and anger. This moment underscores the intense political stakes and suggests Trump’s administration is deeply anxious about the exposure of its inner workings.
The narrative calls for continued pressure on the administration, urging supporters to amplify the push for transparency, especially as Republican lawmakers like Nancy Mace and Patrick Murphy show openness to joining the petition. The movement is seen as a pivotal moment in accountability, where the public must demand answers and protect the rights of victims, even as political forces attempt to shut down the process.
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The Epstein files are seen as potentially revealing hidden misconduct, cover-ups, and connections between powerful figures, including Donald Trump and Elon Musk, which makes their release a major issue of transparency and accountability.
Ted Cruz described how Trump reacted with intense anger in the Oval Office, with his knuckles turning white and him learning new swear words upon reading the tweet, indicating deep distress over the revelation.
Mike Johnson shut down the House to block further action on discharge petitions seeking transparency into the Epstein files, suggesting a deliberate effort to prevent release of the files and limit investigations.
They are leading efforts to push for the release of the Epstein files by filing discharge petitions and advocating for legal actions against the administration for failing to release unredacted records.
While some names may be found in phone books or public records, lawmakers argue that the files contain new, corroborating evidence of guilt that goes beyond simple name lookup and warrants investigation.
The transparency act would allow state attorney generals, members of Congress, and survivors to sue the administration for withholding files, giving survivors stronger legal tools to pursue justice.
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