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It was really fun. And Amanda, of course, baked a cake. I jokingly called her "Tradwife" and all the other parents stared at me, staring at me in a bad way. It was a joke. She baked a delicious cake. That's nice. Yeah. It's really nice. I can't believe how old she is. Very easy. Amanda's younger than you. Oh, I mean Claire. Yes. Claire. Number three, you're going to go really young. I am not rebearing again. I really love Amanda Katz. You know why men marry women much younger than them? Why? Because they can. Oh, very funny. God. You're still in Los Angeles wandering around malls, I see. I am. That's how bored I got. I went to the Century City Mall. Oh, that is like dystopian. It's nice. It is. The mall is nice. It is. That's where they filmed one of the last plans of the eights. I don't know if you know that. Oh, my God. That goes way back. They filmed a right outside of the Schubert Theatre where I saw a chorus line in Beatle Mania with my mom. Beatle Mania. I saw Beatle Mania. This is like the 70s. We used to go wait in line for tickets where people didn't show up and occasionally you could get like a fourth row ticket for like eight bucks. I'd go with my mom to see plays of the Schubert Theatre. Beatle Mania. Wow. Yeah. Anyway. So you're wandering around a mall. I was like, what is he doing? I have been so cooped up and then I walked over to the Century City Mall and I loved it. I walked around and I did this great review of all the retailers and like, Macy, sometimes it's darkest before it's pitch black. My favorite new brands, James Purse, Buck Mason. Oh, James Purse is nice. Yeah. You have a lot of James Purse stuff that I stole and I know that. Yeah. Yeah. That was my go. Did I just say that? Yeah. They're really nice. Do you remember Spencer's gifts? I put that in the little Spencer's gifts. Do you remember? No, I remember 110. Well, come on. We're the same age Scott. We're essentially the same age. I knew I'm care. You are much older than me. No, I am really. You are much, much older than me. No. Spencer's gifts is where they had the edible underwear that you would buy as a joke gift as a teenager. What do you mean? Ech. Ech. I mean Ech. Okay. Anyway, I thought you would be at that kind of mall where there'd be Spencer's gifts. No, I love. There's an Italy there. There is. There's a pink top. There's a shake shack there. Yeah. I love it there. That's a Scott mall. That's a theater. That is a vague. Do you know what happens? So, there's always, like overnight, what I see at a Westwood every Friday and Saturday night, and we just walk around with my friends. Not around, yeah. We'd see girls from our rival high school, palisades high school, and we'd see them two or three times and not talk to them. And then we go to Swenson's for ice cream, try and sneak into the Manbrune or the U.A. theater, which, and see a movie or the last half of a movie, go to the poster mat and look at that picture, that poster, a fair faucet, then go to late night, go get a $3 bag from Stan's donuts. But anyways, Westwood was thriving. And then, I don't know if you remember this, a graduate student got on the way of gunfire from gangs and was shot in the head and no exaggeration. The next day, Westwood was empty and everyone went to Century City and Westwood has never recovered. Oh, never recovered. Interesting. Westwood was the spot, as I recall. Yeah. And you were a mall rat. I didn't know that. I was a bit of a mall, Quaker Bridge Mall, the Quaker Bridge Mall. The mall was a great equalizer. There were kids and mall income levels, all ethnicities. You all went to the Orange Julius. Now, if the mall has an apple and an armass, it's going 5%. If it has a macy's and, you know, a name of meddling brand, it's declining 5%, 50% of the value of all malls in America is represented by the top 10%. Wow, they're trying to turn them into pickleball courts, some of them. Well, malls are basically reflection on America, they've become very k-shaped. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. Anyway, I enjoyed you wandering around and everything else. We've got a lot to talk about this week. There's so much that happens every week. By the way, many people are complimenting me on the last two shows. They said they really enjoy it. Complimenting me. Well, you weren't there. Not complimenting me. Complimenting me? Complimenting me? About us. Complimenting me. And complimenting me about us, because they, they're enjoying the, the enter. You're such an asshole. Anyway. The comments are literally, let me summarize all the comments. Can it be Scott free, August forever? I'm like, yeah, it's called on with Kara Swisher. Yeah. I mean, she should dump Scott. I'm like, she already has dump Scott. It's called on with Kara Swisher. There is a lot of that, but that's okay. I don't care. I say no. I always push back. I do. I do. I don't, don't read the comments. Okay. Let's start, because we've got some real juicy stuff, and we got some serious stuff, but Chavon Zillis, a Elon Musk longtime partner and mother of four of his children, says Musk, has abruptly ended their relationship, didn't see that coming. And that she went from in love to let go in a week. Zillis shared the news publicly on X, including a screenshot of their recent text exchanges, responding to a post pointing out that Musk had unfollowed her. Zillis is the director of operations at Neuralin, which is a Musk company. Scott, if you ever abruptly break up with me, I will also post our text. I think that'll reflect more poorly on you. At first off, they're at 2 a.m., you text me very late. What are you doing? I can't believe you said this. I heard from Charles Sandberg. So this is so strange. I feel sad. The whole thing was such an emceequeous like breakup. It was, I was like, girl, get it together. And then of course, Ashley St. Clair, another ex, said we should have a group text thing with all the exes, which I thought was funny. Yeah. I feel even these people deserve a lot of kind of privacy, but when you announce your breakups on the guys' platform, can you imagine, first off, if, and I'm trying to think of Tom Keane, a really big reporter anchor on Bloomberg, went on Bloomberg TV to announce he was no longer in an affair with Michael Bloomberg. Yeah. It'd be strange and an HR issue. Yeah. But somehow this seems normal in these people's worlds. This is not an HR issue. She works for him too. You know, it's. It's not even that. They've been together. I mean, they've been clear. It's fine. They were together. But this was so strange. I've always thought she was very slavish towards him, and I felt this. I really did. Like the others at least, like St. Clair got a backbone, and of course, you know, Justin Musk had spoken out in this new, but Musk Dr. Bernie coming out this week. But this was so odd and sad. I don't know what to say. I mean, seriously, it's, it's this sort of, here's what it reminded me of. All of these tech people just cannot shut up about anything, including their sort of romantic problems, everything. They just have to, like, share. They seem to be oversharing in a way that's really quite disturbing, to me, at least. I mean, my first instinct is, like, she comes across as gracious, but women have agency. If I ever break up with you, I'm going to do it the Elon way. I'm going to unfollow you and let a bot break the news. Oh, God. I just. I go back to the same thing, Cara. Yeah. Yeah. Don't these people have friends? Yes, exactly. Not a lot. That would be a good book. I'm thinking, is there someone she could have said over a couple of glasses of whatever they say? Rosé, or should they go founder mode on skinny margaritas or whatever they do? Right. Yeah. Right. Say, oh, I'm thinking of announcing our breakup on Twitter. And being. You humiliated. Yeah. And then having all these bros, these brolegark and musk acolytes weigh in and insult me, you and your kids don't need that. Right. That's the thing. The chance of her is that, you know, the genitals and the heart are the most powerful organs in history and the stupidest at the same time. And you know, my advice would have been to her, the some of the best advice ever was given by Albert Brooks to William Hart and broadcast news when he says, "What happens when your real life exceeds your wildest dreams?" Albert Brooks says, "Keep it to yourself." I feel like maybe there's some strategic reason for doing this. I don't know. Money? I don't know. You know what I hadn't thought of that? I wouldn't put a passam to say, "I'll give you a million dollars a month if you say great things about me on my plan." Who the fuck knows? I feel like there's a strict strategy going on here. It seems so pathetic. Anyway, we'll move on from Shavon. Sorry, Shavon. I'm sure it'll all work out eventually, breaking up is hard to do, especially with the guy who's now a trillionaire this week because of the SpaceX shares increased. Another one, speaking of Elon, Sam Altman called Elon Musk a bully and said, "Once in a while you got to punch a bully back in the nose, a new interview with Vanity Fair where he's posing." It's not a posing happening in it. During a rapid fire word association, Altman called Trump Powerful, oh dear Bernie Sanders consistent, and simply passed when I asked about anthropic CEO Daru Amadeh, when talking about how the public views him, Altman said he once had an evil caricature of Mark Zuckerberg in his head, but realized after getting to know him that he's been projecting. Interesting. Okay. Fine. Well, that's usually the case with most people. They're reasonable when you meet them, but that doesn't mean they do bad things. Let's do a rapid word association. Sam Altman. Just that one. All of a sudden, we all wanted and then didn't. Oh, man, he does go from Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader. I know. It's really weird. It's really funny. Remember a year ago? Yeah. We all thought, "In his hushed tones, old senator." That's a very interesting topic. Oh, I don't take any money. I don't take any money. I mean, we keep falling for Cheryl Sandberg in. We keep getting Sandberged. Oh, she's different. She's the different tech executive. Yeah. Oh, it's true. Anyway, he also said that we have to take some pain if we want AI. There's going to be some accidents, et cetera. I was like, "Not for you, but it was some weird," but I think it was the verge. I think it was other podcasts where he said, "We have to take some pain." I actually sat two seats away from him. I sat next to him, and in between us was this lovely woman who was on Mad Men. I forgot her name. She played Pete's wife. Okay. Could have been more lovely. And then it was Sam. And that was awkward. I got to be honest. It was awkward. When was it recently? The vanity fair Oscars dinner. Oh, that one you went to. Oh, yeah, it is. Did you say, "Hey, girl." Did you say, "Hey, girl?" I introduced myself in Sugar Sand. Our only conversation was I asked him where the bathroom was. Seriously. He said, "I'm like a nice man. You seem like a nice man." But it was definitely awkward. I think the week before I'd called him like, "Yeah, you have." Baby Stalin with his PS3. Just got him again with the gay one. He is a bully. I don't understand Trump. You think I'm a bully? No. He called Elon a bully. No, no, no. No, no, no. Sam is not a bully. No. He has other talents. He's manipulative, for sure. It's not. I've learned in business school. It's not manipulation. It's management. Oh, I see. Whatever. Is that how you hear this? Charles O'Reilly. I took HR in business school for some reason. He's like, " Notice how manipulation, the first three words. " You took an HR course? That's good. That's like. You actually went to school about HR. They don't call it HR. They call it organizational behavior, but you know what, all HR issues, the classes should be called. I could get everyone through business school in one semester and save every one seventy percent. All right. Okay. All HR should be called. Use your common sense. And also, also, any guy that becomes an officer of a company, your fly is up and locked. All right. Okay. That's a fantastic course. Okay. I'm being honest with you. When I'm on boards, we always deal with these issues. Yeah. There's a lot of different. Young people. Yes, young people, to be in a close environment in tense situation, they're going to start having sex. I think it's a good thing. But one of three relationships begin to work. Young people have added to disclose it to your boss, tread lightly. Any person, man or woman, above an executive level, you don't fuck anybody. No excuse. You're fired. There's some amazing things about being an executive at a public corporation. People laugh at your jokes and make a shit ton of money. One of the downsides, no sex at the office. You have a different set of rules. You make millions of dollars. You're right. It's different for you. It creates too much trouble in terms of the power asymmetry. Women will naturally mistake kindness for sexual interest. Women will mistake sexual interest. For kindness, it creates problems when there's a power asymmetry behind a senior level guy because some young woman laughs at his jokes. She thinks that she's sexually interested in them. Anyways, talk over. Okay. All right. Now, this is a good tab you back in the bathroom. There you go. And you've been kicked out again. Equal pay. Yeah. Again, one of the most powerful women in Washington. Common sense. The hot pigs. Yeah. The hot pigs. And I were the most powerful people in New York for some reason. Did you see that? Yes. Yes. We got on some list. What was it? It was this one, the 300 million most powerful. No. It was a smaller group. It was a hundred. I think. Yeah. You and I together once again. I want to be on one of these lists alone. It was a carousel and skydower. Yes. It was the two of us. Yeah. We're powerful together. Yeah. I still think you're a powerful Washington woman. So that's fine. All right. We're going to turn to speaking of classrooms. We're talking to a difficult topic. We're talking to the phone about this actually. Cornell's president is calling the rape allegations against seven fraternity members, a defining moment for the school and promising this will not be a moment that passes. I'm not sure what he means by moment. The former student identified as Jane Doe has sued Cornell and seven men alleging she was drugged and completely raped in 2024. We did discuss this briefly last week or the day before that. And attorneys for some of the men have denied the accusations. Cornell's president says the university supports an independent investigation and will also review fraternity culture on campus. A New York governor, Kathy Hocal is appointed attorney general, Tisha James, a special prosecutor to do a fresh and thorough review of the cage, which is sorely needed and bring charges if warranted, which might be difficult given different laws in New York. I mentioned this, as I said, as my fail the other week and since it's blown up. I just want to say a lot of good reporting has happened, a lot of texts from these young men, which are heinous. And I think, you know, in the university at first was sort of on its back heel and seems to be leaning into it to do a better job. One of the things that I would note, the Cornell has this reputation, the Frats do, and of course a couple hours before this happened, this particular Frat was, had a drug grade too. There was just some reporting on that. And oddly enough, on white lotus, the guy who was the douche, the Frat douche in the first season, I think, had a Cornell had on because the creator of the show said it was so well known. And it is well known that this is a school that just loves them, Frat, those douchey Frats. But anyway, why don't you start? What would you like to talk about, Scott, in this topic area? Care, I don't think I've ever meant anything more when I say, you go first. Oh, okay. I, you know, I think, as I said to you on the phone, look, we don't know. I think there's been a little bit mob mentality online, which is very typical of online. And everyone does deserve a chance to defend themselves. That is, that's my general stance on everything. That said, there was not a real independent investigation here. There was a botched investigation. It seems like through all the textures seeing and all the different, back and forth that this woman tried hard to say, I went to something for a party and maybe to have some fun and then it spun out of control and I'm trying to figure it out. And a lot of the men were trying to shut her down of those, those legitimate feelings she had that something turned badly. She said, she said 100% it was rape, but it turned into rape at least. I think that there needs to be an independent investigation. That's what I would like to have happen so that we can deter, so that law enforcement people can determine about this. I don't know where it's going to end up. It's kind of a long time. I don't know. I think it's really an opportunity to talk to, not just our sons, but our daughters and everyone else about this. And I know I spent a lot of time talking to my older sons about this a lot very early on. And in fact, I had a discussion with my five year old when he was hitting and I said, you know, I was trying to, not the no means no thing, but talking about the concept of kindness, men being kind. And I spent a lot of time with my sons. I had a great talk with Alex and Louis about this. Both of them have seen situations like this, they are, they are, they know they need to intervene. They can't believe that men would behave like this, which I felt good that they, you know, their reaction was the same as mine on, I think they came to it on their own. But it's really important to educate, especially young men in situations like that to help, even if the woman's mad at you for pulling them, you out of a dangerous situation to, to try to get in there as you say, it's got to be a protector. But it's the same thing for women that they have. I talked to Claire just briefly, I'm like, listen, as you get older, you need to start thinking about how you operate in the world. And so we had, you know, we had like the seven year old level discussion about it. But I want them to all be aware of both taking care of themselves and taking care. and care of other people at the same time. And I think it's really an important opportunity in this sort of heinous story to do that. - Under advice of counsel, I am invoking my fifth write. Like, okay, I was in a fraternity. I was president of fraternity counsel. Your son's in a fraternity. - Yes. - I'm going to a regents meeting in the University of California and about an hour, where we will talk about this. I have a lot of viewpoints on this. And I have sons. And my guess is my, well, the son will probably join a fraternity. I think that three most accretive things in the world, they would be the most beneficial things for the world are free. And that is one, getting rid of Citizens United, which has corrupted the most powerful and best nation in the world, the United States. Two, that everyone over the age of 72 would have to retire globally, Putin and Yahoo Trump in the next year. And third, I think that we need fathers to be much more engaged in their son's lives and have much more robust fluid conversations and open and honest and rock conversations around things. And at the outset of the year, I said, I had kind of two goals, you know, I'm struggling out with purpose. I mean, my head too much. And one was kind of zero fucks given. But the second is, I want to think a lot about, we talk a lot about, you know, girl dads and boy moms. And, but we don't talk enough about boy dads. And that is the single point of failure for men across a lot of levels is when they have a lack of male mentorship and involvement. And so I thought, okay, everyone from my DJ to my personal trainer has a viewpoint on the attorney general, Cornell, the people involved in this case, New York laws. I'm like, okay, that's not how I want to approach this. I want to approach this as a dad on what I say to my sons. And I talk to my sons over the weekend about this. And I want to be clear on parenting. There's never been anything I've ever done that I am least certain about. I, my problem comes from too much certainty around too much, too many issues where I have total healthy uncertainty is my approach to parenting. Because every parenting book I've read has one thing in common. It totally contradicts the one before it. But what I can tell you is a dad, the first thing is ask them what they think about it. Just get their views on it or some to think about it. And then I go to very macro and very micro things and I try to limit it to a certain number of things. I must always try to limit my lessons to my kids to three things because that's a consultant. I read somewhere that once you get past three people forget the first, but two are macro and two are micro. And the first is that empathy isn't sympathy. It's putting yourself in that person's shoes and I say in a situation like this, you need to imagine that you have a sister who's in an exact similar situation at a university across the campus and ask yourself how would you want the men there to behave? Really empathize with people in weird situations or out of control situations and say, okay, that's my sister in an alternative scenario. How would I want the men to behave? And I like the idea of protector, but the reality is 93% of sexual assault is from someone the woman knows. So to a certain extent, we've got to protect them from ourselves and the way we need better men, we just need to raise better men who make better decisions. The second kind of global issue, I talk about with my son's your future self. I say whenever you're in a weird situation, imagine or a situation involving drugs or alcohol or other people, imagine yourself in 10 years. I do the deathbed test. I don't think you can tell kids to do the deathbed test. They can't imagine being near death, but imagine yourself in 10 years. You have a wife, you have a kids, you're professional. What would your future self tell you to do right now? Like go to your future self and say, how do I make decisions here? And then I get very tactical and this will cause the most pushback, but I get very tactical with my kids. I say, look, going out, getting maybe a little bit drunk, close on the floor, I think it's a lot of fun. It should never happen on first contact. The first time you are physical with a partner, you should be sober and it means, it means a reduction in first time contact, but there's too much risk on everyone's part. When the first time you have physical contact and I've said this to my boys, just trust me on this. The first time you kiss or more with a partner, you should both be sober. It just makes things less dangerous for everybody involved. Just always be sober. If you're with your girlfriend and you've been out with someone four or five times and you wanna go out and get fucked up and have wild sex, have added. I think that's fun. I think that's great. The first time you have contact with anybody, you should be sober. Also, a trend among young people is choking. Don't choke anybody for any reason. - You know, that was going here, okay. Right, okay, yeah. A trend, Cara. - I know, okay, I get it. I get it. I just wanna talk about it. - Supposedly, oxygen affixiation is big better off. - Yes, it is something, yes, yes. - And also to be cognizant of the fact. - To be cognizant of the fact that porn takes you incrementally towards a normalization of violence against women. - You are correct. That is what, that's more to the point. - No choking and modulate your porn and be cognizant of the fact that porn is taken as normalizing violence against women. - And then the drug use that was heavy at this particular, you know. - First contact. - Yeah, right, yeah. - I smoke marijuana, I drink. So in some, your future self, what does empathy really mean? No, no, first physical contact. Sober and no, nothing be cognizant of what violence can be and no violence, no violence in the list. - No choking. - That was very fair, that was really fair. I do think it gives everyone an opportunity. I get everyone likes to, like, oh, did she tell us, I thought one of the more heinous ones was Megan Kelly, very, very cruelly called this woman out for not reporting earlier. When she herself took 10 years to report that Roger Ailes harassed her. So I don't think we need to, like this, this stuff is gonna go back and forth and what would, the bad result would be men and women not trusting each other. - Oh, where that, that horse is out of the barn. - It isn't completely though, it isn't. It's that you have to just assume, look, this is obviously a situation where, you know, who failed everyone here, besides these young men, I'm sorry, I think they did, was the college and then the local investigators, the local law enforcement. And that's the difficulty. And I know things are changing and, but one of the things that has driven me crazy here is why didn't she take a few weeks? Let me tell you, it was only a few weeks that she took after something like this 'cause you have to process these things. And you really do have to understand, I was thinking, this is, I was writing up in New York today. Abuse victims often talk to the people who abuse them, all kinds of abuse, sexual abuse, physical abuse, et cetera. And it's a very confusing thing, but the one thing is that I said to both my sons, including my young one, is when you're in a position to help someone that seems in distress, you have to take it, even if it costs you, right? Because if you pulled a woman out of a bad situation and a frat, I was talking to Alex about this. I'm like, you'll, or maybe it was Louie. If they're mad at you, it's okay. You could have, you know what I mean? It's okay to take, or your friends are mad at you, or if they call you a vibe killer. It's fine. You'll get over that, your sins of a mission are the things you will very much commission to, but very much regret. Anyway, hopefully we'll get a good investigation here, and it won't turn into this finger pointing crap. Anyway, we're gonna move on, but let's hopefully, there'll be some resolution here and some clarity, which would be great. Okay, that was excellent, Scott. Thank you for talking about that. Thank you. Okay, Scott, let's go on a quick break. 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The Paramount Warner Brothers discovery merger is set to close this week with a new name of the media monster is getting roasted online, CEO David Ellison announced on X late last week that the combined company we called Skydance, the name of the production company he founded in 2006. Warner Brothers and Paramount Pictures will keep their names as separate studios under the Skydance umbrella. Ellison says he wanted the combined company to have its own identity without overshadowing either studio or lying. The brands to remain in the spotlight. And there was this also from Reddit. Why a band in a century is worth a brand recognition for something that sounds like a Stargazing app. I don't know. He bought the company. The Ellison's bought it and called it whatever they want. They called Phyllis. I don't. You're a branding person. Just explain to me whether this was good or not. I don't really care that he wants to call that. People seem to not think that's a good idea. But the reasons we're not very good except he's obnoxious for doing it, I don't think. So what? It's a perfectly good name. It's a mistake but it's not a profound mistake because the parent company isn't B2B brand. It's not. Yeah. No one's going to knock us see the movies because they're from the Skydance studio versus Warner Brothers or Discovery. Both of those brands though are really story brands. They can know quality. Paramount too. Paramount. They're all fantastic brands with real legacy and it's so hard to build that kind of. One of the things that's just so hard to do, Lexus was a better car than Porsche or Mercedes that they just didn't have the iconic history and legacy. You can't build that. I was a brand consultant to all of those terms and whenever I'd go to Germany I'd be like talk about your heritage. It's the only thing Lexus was spun out of Toyota in 1985 or something. They can't talk about winning the African Dakar race in 1953. They can't talk about how you decided to share air back technology in 1979 with everybody else. These are heritage brands. They're really powerful. It's not going to have much impact on the business. What would you have called it? It's hard because those are two good brands, Warner and Paramount Discovery probably less so. Wells Fargo acquired Northwest. This happens all the time in an Arab media. What you do is you have Northwest or Wells Fargo, Northwest was actually a much bigger company than Wells Fargo. You have Northwest or Wells Fargo company, then you have Wells Fargo in Northwest and then it's just Wells Fargo. Morgan Stanley acquired Dean Winter. For a brief amount of time it was Morgan Stanley Dean Winter. Then it just became Morgan Stanley because Morgan Stanley was a better brand. It probably would have been some mash up a Warner company or something. At the end of the day, I just would have called the whole thing Warner. I would have said over time, Jack Warner and Warner is so storied from our mountains right up there. I just would have said over time, what is the iconic name that means creativity and Hollywood and I just would have called the parent company one name. Would it be Warner Brothers or Warner? That's interesting. I don't. It does the Warner Brothers feel so old and I wouldn't have been Skydance. It wouldn't have been. I probably would have called the whole thing just Warner and it's a great logo. It means Hollywood, there's legacy there, it means quality. There's just so much story behind that brand. Yeah. It's a minor mistake. It's fine if it was. Yeah. It's meaningful. It's not profound. It would have been an interesting indicator. Skydance has to do with the fact that he likes to fly and that's why he named it. The gangster move here would have just a nod to the industry they're going into. Yeah. To stress the movie stuff over the new stuff, speaking of which, Mark Thompson, the chief executive of CNS confirmed he'll be staying as chairman and editor in chief in a memo to CNN employees. Thompson said he will now have the same responsibilities and prerogatives that I have now in terms, he is CEO, editor, he is all of them. In terms of leadership structure, Thompson will be reporting directly to both David Ellison and co-CEO, Enon Christ, Barry Weiss will still be editor in chief at CBS News. Basically at some point we'll have to merge these things eventually, but I'm glad. I hope it's for the long term. I just don't know, because some people felt like it was an interim move to get the noise away from CNN, which is not a minor part of the money, but as a minor part of the business. They really need to focus on two things as a streaming service, which will be run by Casey Blois and their movie, like how they're going to figure out costs around their movie. And then thirdly, of course, the debt, the insane amount of debt, which I think really is what they can't take another noisy situation around the news part, which, you know, at one point Grand Robert said it was 5% of his money and 95% of his headaches. In this case, I think CNN does contribute significantly, but at some point they'll have to combine them, although one CBS is unionized and CNN isn't. But I'm glad Marcus there. I've been talking to him a lot and he's a great guy. I really have. I trust him completely and that's a good thing. It's a good. I'm glad they decided not to be nuts here. Both of us have a lot of friends at CNN. I'm your ad CNN. I was obviously the premier star of their CNN Plus. Yes. Yes. I am but a bit player. A noisy bit player. So just a quick little bit in nostalgia. My show, I'm in San Diego, and my producer called, and I don't know if it was Rebecca Cove, someone called me. Yeah. Yeah. She's the number one hourly show on CNN Plus. And I'm like, what does that mean? 14 people. And they wouldn't tell me that. What a man. And so I got the team on the phone. I'm like, hi, five or TV stars. And then I wake up. I get as usual. I get an early morning. Oh, dark 100 texts from Cara Swisher. Yeah. All right, which is a great text to get when it's dark and you're in some battle. And I'm like, am I all right? I'm like, who died? And I'm like, text her back. I'm like, what the fuck? And she, and you sent me the other time, CNN Plus to be unplugged that immediately. I loved. I can tell you. I was like, Zazov came in and said, bitch, I'm on top. I'm on top. And unplugged. And by the way, they've basically done CNN Plus again. Anyway, without the dog, every anchor I know, and I'm like you, friends with a bunch of them, but lovely people. And two of one, I was with a bunch of Venica weeks. They all say the same thing where they ask, what do you think's going to happen? And the only thing I was fairly certain of, and I said it on this show, is that Mark Thompson was going to stay and they were going to elevate his position. The elephants are business people. They're not that stupid. They've been stupid. They've not. People, they're smart. They need that $600, $800 million in cash flow. Mark Thompson is a, is a stabilizing force. He is, what people don't understand sometimes, it with CEOs usually aren't, usually aren't the visionaries. You know, who, who become CEO of most publicly traded companies? The guy are the gal that's pissed off the fewest people that's made the fewest enemies. They have to be competent. They have to be good. Have you ever heard, have you ever heard of anyone who doesn't like Mark Thompson? No, no. And I like him a lot. I've gotten to know him for many. He's awful. He's nice. He's a stable lot. He's competent. He took, he took the New York Times company and probably, what was the most? And BBC. He ran the BBC. But he took, he's probably, if, if, is, his career obituary, if they were to look at what is the most seminal thing he did, he took the New York Times from like 70% ad revenue to 40% and basically made it a mixed revenue subscription company. And then hired, hired Emeritus Levy and two. Like he didn't, he, and put her in place and she's been an amazing ambassador. And that's like, that's hard for, I remember when he told me he was leaving. We were in California and I was like, for you, because most people don't like to be succeeded well. I'm not, Mitch McConnell. I'm going to Mitch McConnell this podcast. I know, but I'm just saying I was really impressed with him at that. At that moment, I remember thinking, wow, not a lot of people will give it to someone who's going to excel that, excel past them. And I don't think necessarily says, but she, they both been great leaders. And I just think he's, I, the only thing that just chaps my ass is white took a second for them. This guy is so highly qualified, it shouldn't have even been a, like, a meeting. question. They announced that a couple weeks after two weeks after the deal close. No, I get it. No, no, but it was back and forth and back. They should have, they had been talking to Casey, but always they've been, they kept, they kept him in the dark for far too long. They've kept a CVS management. It's like the fee a couple at the Oscars. They're like, you're staying home. You're not getting anywhere near the Oscars. Yeah. Anyway, in any case. Godfather three in the nine. It is. That's a terrible Godfather. Anyway, congratulations, Mark. I'm glad for CNN because he's been, I've never had anything but great times with him at, especially during my show, Carousel, she wants to live forever. That company is the ability. Just get back to work. You know, Mark, you like him. I'm sure he's already sat down with everybody. It's important to keep Anderson and some others there. Yeah. Yeah. And Casey. Casey. Did you see Casey's cake and Collins cup that she had? She never says a word and then she had a mug that said it's something the world needs nasty women after because Trump keeps attacking her, like, dimensionally. He's got, he has Kate Collins' arrangement syndrome. That's what he has. Caitlin Collins to me. Anyway, I think he's a successful young women. But I love that you just have the one mug. That's how that's how she rolls. Anyway, if you mark, good, you're you mark. Congratulations. Jen on me. Jen, he likes an expensive Jen. All right, let's go on a quick break. We come back. Netflix needs a growth spurt. Support for the show comes from Anthropic. This show is about testing our opinions and convictions, even fighting for them when they're important, but also allowing our minds to be changed when presented with a convincing argument. That's the only way to solve important problems. Claude is the AI for problem solvers. 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So on today's point from box, we're going to talk about the new sheriff in town. If all of this goes as Democrats, think it's going to go. A Keem's House on today explained Monday through Friday afternoons in your feeds. Stop, we're back with more news. This was interesting. Netflix CEO Ted Sarando says the company is not growing as fast as he wants with engagement up just 2 percent. In the first half of the year, the streamer is spending about 5 percent of its content budget on live programming, even though it currently accounts for only 1 percent of total viewing. The company is also planning to expand theatrical leases with the wide release plan for Narnia and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory after putting more than 30 movies in theaters last year. Netflix shares are down 26 percent year to date. Thoughts, this is really interesting. He also said we'd only pay so much for the Warner deal. Probably a good thing he didn't get it. He'd be in a massive trouble right now. I think you made the right choice to pull out, so to speak, but what do you think is happening there? There's all kinds of rumors about people being in and out and this and that, but thoughts. Well, we've talked about. We said last year that it's not a talent problem. It's a metabolism problem, and that is when you have so much success, you become more risk-averse with an existing model. And one of the most under-reported stories in media is, and it's happened slowly, then suddenly, is a transition from streaming to what you'll loosely call the clip economy. And in this is anecdotal evidence, but I will get real data on this, but I'm no longer turning on the TV. I'm watching YouTube, and I love TV, but I'll watch the best three minutes from Farid Zikari's GPS on my phone, and someone has zeroed in on the best three or six minutes. Yeah, same thing with SNL. I don't watch SNL. I see the best bits as someone very talented is clip the four best three-minute segments. Yep, exactly. And unfortunately, the platform, the platforms that monetize that are not Netflix. And I said this, I said this when I met with Ted three years ago. I'm like, net vibes. The 99% of your programming that gets 1% of the content make it open source and let people have at it. New music, new storylines, clips. Let them just go ape shit with it and produce new content. Viewership grew 2% on 200 billion hours in the first half. So, Suranda said it's he isn't growing as fast as he wants, but he did say the business is great and growing fine. Revenue growth was 13% in Q2. It's interesting. Talk about good problems. Companies would kill media companies would kill them. Yeah. They would. They would. Live takes about 5% of the roughly 20 billion dollar content budget around 1 billion and generates about 1% of viewing. Suranda admits that the ROI isn't there, but he says the sign-ups, it drives sign-ups from retention and ads. HSSBC downgraded the stock to hold, arguing YouTube's gains are partly coming in Netflix. Netflix isn't competing against Hulu or HBO. It's competing against YouTube full stop. YouTube, yeah. Netflix pays 20 billion dollars year for content. YouTube pays creators on a revenue share basis and gets 20 million uploads a day for free. It's just it's difficult to compete against that cost. So, what do you do? What do you do then? I just said it. I think they I think they need to take what are their assets? The Bella and Ted and his co-co, they they produce probably not the best content, but the most gross ton of it. They're the Russian army. I mean, they're just no one has a, they have the biggest content budget in the world. They do produce great content. They need to they need to create a platform and technology to start slicing and dicing it and move to where the puck is headed. And that is a generation of people that wants to wants to watch it in two, five and ten minutes. I watch so right. The quibi turned out to be a good idea. Yeah, it was right. They don't have the capital. I watched my my, one of my favorite series just released season two, Mobland. Mm-hmm. But after the the fission audios have gone of that show and are willing to watch it for an hour, have gone away, make it open source and let every creator just have have added and slice it and dice it a million different ways and do one season in 30 minutes and do all the different murder scenes and do all the different music. Oh, that's a great idea. You know, just have fun with it. You know, it's so strange years ago when I did, we did about seven or eight Steve Jobs interviews and when he died, I tried to get newscorp to dice it up of Steve Jobs management tips from all these interviews, because you know, I'm like, collect them over the years and they didn't want to do that. They never wanted to do that because they're like, it's stronger as the whole. And I was like, well, wouldn't it be kind of cool to hear his thoughts on six different topics that he covered over eight years? Anyway, I do think the stock is a buy though. Any stock that's down 26% and off 40% from its highs with 13% revenue growth, it means the market is repricing Netflix and it's transitioned from thinking of it as a growth stock to a utility. It's it's the best company in traditional media, price like it's done growing. It's growing 13%. Should it buy something? There's, you know, rumors at a bias studio. I thought the gangster merger for them would be with Disney that way the could take Wednesday and all these incredible Netflix series and go into theme parks and rides. They do some. They do deals because you see it like as in Vegas, there was a Netflix cafe, they do some of those deals. I think everything comes down to warfare and that is Netflix, Netflix is, they own the arms race. They have the biggest army and then they looked up and YouTube Ed owns the skies in asymmetric warfare. Yeah. YouTube can launch a million drones and just see which one works, right? Netflix is committing to be one bombers. They spent a lot of money on series. The life sports is weird. It's like a gym membership. Right now, nobody uses this as a much, but they don't want to stop paying for it. So we'll see. What about like, I've noticed, I don't look at any other podcasts there. I mean, the only one that's doing well, as I said, was Charlemagne, the God. Is that right? Yeah, that's what I understand, like doing like really well. I mean, I'm sure they do fine, but I never, I see it there and I never think of it for them. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know why. I don't. Such a big opportunity for that part. It is. I just don't know what would make me click on it. Oh, yeah. The home screen. Next to iOS, the Netflix home screen is the most aspirational piece of real estate in the world. I know, but I'm just saying it doesn't, it doesn't, I see it there and I don't think it's, it's picking up speed in any way. I don't know. But short things, I agree with you. Short things. Well, here's a prediction. It was my, it was going to be my prediction Friday, but I'll come up with something different on Friday. Within, within the next 12 or 24 months, Netflix is going to buy or partner with a creator network. And the whole, we're professionally produced mantra is kind of like what Blockbuster said about mail order. They're going to get into, they've got to get into the clip economy. They do. They kind of are dipping their toe and they've done that a bunch of times. Yeah. You're right. 100%. I don't think at this price, though. Yeah. Yeah. The content library, the distribution, the homes that are in the management team. Oh, I don't like this company a lot. Yeah. Me too. We'll see. But there are, just so you know, there's plenty of rumors around whether even Ted will survive, but I think he will. Oh, yeah. No, there's rumors about all of the executives, you know, just telling you it's out there. I think it's probably done by their enemies. But I think a pound for pound, it's sort of, they remind me of Apple. They've really produced well over the many years, right? Like the same executives and they seem to be. So okay. I'm going to my, how important am I? I'm telling you with the board members, the board members have made so much fucking money under the leadership of Ted Sarandas. They have built a lot of goodwill, Ted can hit a few speed bumps and everyone on the board is going to ignore it. Yeah. I agree with you. Right now, everyone's saying to Ted, don't worry about it. You'll figure it out. That's what they're saying. He will figure it out. He's been impressed with Ted Sarandas myself. I've always enjoyed talking to him. I think he's always up on things and has not, you know, sometimes executives get a little slower. But I have to tell you, the Apple group did it very good for a very long time and this new guy will see what happens. All right, Scott, one more quick break will be back for wins and fails. Support for the show comes from plot. If your day is filled with meetings, calls and important conversations, keeping track of what was said, what was decided, and what happens next can quickly become a job of its own. Whether you're meeting in person or online, taking conference calls or conducting interviews, plot can help you make the most of your time. Plot is the AI-powered note taking device built for real-world conversations. Unlike relying on your phone or opening another app every time you want to take notes, plot is designed to be simple and always ready when you need it. With just one tap, you can start capturing a conversation. 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To be in par, I love the energy in this room. If you take this out and 44 days from day, we're going to win this thing in a decisive victory. Who's ready for that? All summer long, Ramaswami has kept up an unusually ambitious calendar full of fairs, rallies, and town halls. This week on America, actually, what is the GOP message for the midterms? And how are Republicans dealing with the elephant in the room? Trump's second term has flopped. I think the Republican Party is not, looks highly upon right now, and I think that everyone knows it. Catch us every Saturday on YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, Scott, let's hear some wins and fails. Would you like me to go through? Elon Musk has announced he's changing the name of SpaceX AI to space SSI because he's a suck up to Donald Trump. This is so enane. Like, oh my God, Elon, guess what? There's an election coming up where it might not go so well for you, though. He will try his level best to manipulate it, but there are spend money, excuse me, not manipulate it. Spend money in order to win his side. Box up today. It is. He's rich again. Whatever. Again. Whatever. Whatever. And my win is, I really do. The social reckoning is opening this week and so is a musk. I recommend people see it who don't know a lot about this because I think it doesn't really nice job. It is long. Absa-fuck-a-lutely. I have a really interesting interview coming up on Thursday, which I can't reveal yet, but I found it really, I think it's really important to think about this person in a position of enormous power. Even though sometimes he seems like an ass clown, he's also very dangerous and incredibly influential, and so we should never take our eyes off of him and getting yourself educated for this documentary musk is great. And I did like the social reckoning. I don't think it's as good as the first one, but it's still, you know, I think it's a really strong movie and it's, I think it's worth another movie we're seeing. And it certainly goes by quickly. It's a great cast with, I think it's Mikey Madison and Mickey Madison. Anyway, the whole thing is well done. Anyhow, Jeremy Strong is in it, the other Jeremy from the Bears in it, so it's a good movie. So those are my, my wins. My's. So my win is the fly Dubai FC 1073 passengers. On September 30th, passengers said the co-pilot staff be capped in after which the plane lost control and dropped 17,000 feet in under a minute. The passengers got into the cockpit and incapacitated the co-pilot in Omani National to off-duty pilots and reportedly took over the controls. Three Israelis tied up the attacker and the plane made an emergency landing at, to book airport in Saudi Arabia. So what it says about is, I think it says some very positive things about Israeli culture. Near universal military service, most Israeli adults have trained for crisis by a story towards action, and kind of echoes of flight 93, but also the heroism is shared here. One of the nicer things about it is an Indian pilot. He was also hailed as a hero along with the passengers. There's a golf angle here. Saudi Arabia took in an Israel bound plane and passengers thanked to book airport for the warm welcome. Kind of reminded me of when Gander accepted our planes, American planes after 9/11. So this was not, you know, this is about a wonderful ending, which we need. It didn't crash, it didn't crash. And Israel and Israeli culture plays a nice role here, but it's not a story, just a story about Israel. It's a story about heroes come from different nationalities, and that heroism can be used to kind of create connective tissue. There's a lot of really nice feelings back and forth between these countries right now in an era where we just need more connective tissue between nations. Yeah, that Indian pilot, he got stabbed supposedly, and I mean, I think this is what the reporting was, and then opened the door, which is, yeah, yelled for help, critical. That was critical to the entire thing, because those doors are now locked. And by the way, there was a passenger immediately on the plane. Yeah. Anyways, I just think, quite frankly, I think that is such a nice story that the world needed to hear right now, and I don't feel like we're hearing a lot about it. And that's a different, it's a different issue. So my fail is Musk exports U.S. polarization to Germany. The AFD went 44% of the boat, and the extremism label is earned here. The state's domestic intelligence service classifies the Saxony-Annehold AFD as a proven right-wing extremist organization, which of course the party's denied. Now, must roll. On election night, Musk posted, "Go to Gamak, get good job." The AFD led candidate Ulrich Singmann, thanked him for his support and perspective on politics in Germany. So the platform. So global witness found that two-thirds of party political content, X Reckham from unfollowed accounts supported the AFD. And 78% on TikTok, this was despite the CDU and its leader posting 69% more content than the AFD. And some, it appears that the Twitter algorithm is biased towards far-right groups in Germany. They have had pushback, Poland's tusks that only idiots or traders in Poland could celebrate the AFD's win. I think Poland is the unsung bulwark now against Russia and far-right extremism in the US. So the AFD, let me be clear, the AFD's rise to power isn't because of mosque. It's because of anti-immigration policies where there is some legitimacy to the fact that Merkel probably thought about immigration before assimilation and there's economic problems. But in some, America's most successful export used to be democracy. And now it's polarization, sold through one man's algorithm to one country that has the best reason to know where this extremism ends. And this is the same guy that claims there's a white genocide taking place in South Africa that has, in my opinion, going down in history as the greatest cause of unnecessary death disease and disability among black people in Africa. This is not the guy who should be tweaking an algorithm to help support and give rise to a far-right extremist party in Germany. And again, a political extremism shouldn't be our export here. Well, it's actually since Spain, the leader there, cause of immigration is in a little bit of trouble in Bolsonaro, looks like the sun up Bolsonaro looks like he's going to be beating the left party there. There's all manner of things happening. Can I just point one thing out about the AFD, the co-chair of the party is a lesbian who has a woman of color as her partner and they have children. And she's against gay marriage. She's anti-immigrant and just is everything she lives. And she lives out of the country too. She lives in Switzerland most of the time. Everything that she about her life, she is pushing against. It's really something. Her name's Alice Wydell. I kind of want to interview her. I'm like, maybe have a wrestling match of some type. Let's be in this. I'm not tuning for that. Yeah. Me too. The wrestling match, not the interview. Anyway, that's a good one. You're right. He's doing it. He didn't in Britain too. It's not just Germany. It's all over. It hasn't been in Britain in three years. I know. I live in London. If you believed Elon Musk, you would think a bunch of Muslim rape gains are roaming the streets at night. Yep. Yep. That is not happening. Anyway. Good one, Scott. Good one, Scott. What a good show. Once again, as people will compliment me about. Anyway, we want to hear from you if you'd like a chance to hear yourself on the show. 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