Edmund Kemper “The Coed Killer” & Chatty Cathy

Hey weirdos, I'm Ash, I'm Elena and this is morbid. I took off Friday, I didn't go to work, I called in sick to XCTO. Alright, just remember her body. Got rid of her body but kept her head on her hands because they're identifiable. They're highly identifiable. I kept those at the apartment. Okay, that Friday night, Thursday night I took her Friday morning, she was just a member, Friday night she was supposed to. Right, Saturday morning I left. I didn't have, I wasn't satisfied that I took the head along in the hands but I couldn't put them in place that I could be sure they would be dug up by an animal or just be somewhere. It's scary going out there trying to bury somebody or dispose of body parts in a community or out in the even in the booties. Alright guys, that voice you just heard right there, that deep Tom Seliki voice, who'd that? Ash is young. Tom Seliki was in three men and a baby and friends. He's in blue bloods now, Magnum PI, you know all those old people shit. #oldies. Yeah, either way. It was not Tom Seliki. It was Edmund Kemper. The third. The co-ed killer. Dun dun dun dun. We don't even have to pay for music. We don't, but we do. We actually did. Edmund is a piece of work. He did a lot of things. He's a real piece of work. That's what I can say. Don't be charmed by this asshole because he's charming. He's charming. He's a charming dude. And he talks a lot. As you're going to see, we're going to have a lot of clips from him. And he seems chill AF. He does, but he's not. Not chill. He's a true blue sociopath and it's proof positive by how charming he really is. For sure. Because he can suck you in and make you think he's just in his own words a bit of a bumblebutt. You know, I'm a bumblebutt sometimes. But the good thing is you don't murder people as far as I know. I don't. As far as I know. I'm not going to confess if I did on this podcast. I don't do that. I don't need that. No. So let's just get right into it. Shall we? Shall. So Edmund Kemper. The third. Was a big bad Larry. Six foot nine. Yeah. And for this on the big, he was almost 300 pounds. Some say 250, some tastes 280. He was close to 200. He was close to 300. He was a big dude. He was also really smart, which is unfortunate. I don't know why those kind of people get the biggest brains, but he got one. What was his IQ? He was 145. I think mine might be like a long lines of 12. Then I'm really just kidding. That's really impressive. But it's not up there in the in the 140s. No, not many people's is. That's the crazy thing. He's known for murdering six female co-eds during his reign of crazy bananas. And also in addition to his own mother and his mother's best friend. And his two grandparents. Yeah. He did. We forgot about those 10 while we forgot about those because it's not even on his damn record. That chick got eggs in the fridge. We're not making fun of victims. We are making fun of this big old bumble bun. Yeah. Also another warning. This is, I mean, you're in for the long haul, but this is a graphic one. If you're not into a. If very graphic description of defiling corpses bothers you. Maybe tune in next week. This one isn't for you. But I mean, I say stick with us. Well, we'll make it fun. Yeah, we'll make it fun. It's fun. In the most respectable manner possible. Let's be clear about that. It's not going to be like a great pile of fun. But it's going to be something. It's going to be an experience. Oh, yeah. But it was actually kind of in the movie American Psycho with Christian Bale. Kind of. Kind of. And I say kind of because Christian Bale or Patrick Bateman misquoted him and misattributed the quote to another guy. What a bumble but. So the quote that he says in the movie is he's sitting with his friends at a bar. I'm sure the people who have seen it. Most of you have probably seen this. If you're listening to this podcast, you've probably seen America. If you're doing this podcast, only half of you has watched the movie. Oh, my God. I have so much work to do. So he says to his friends, when I see a pretty girl walking down the street, I think two things. One part of me wants to take her out. Talk to her. Be real nice and sweet and treat her right. And one of his asshole friends is like, what's the other thing? And he says, I'd like to know where her head would look like on a stick and then he laughs. Which you've probably seen the gif of him laughing like a maniac. He says this quote is from Ed Gheen, but it is not. It is Edmund Kemper. So he had the wrong head. Oh, what a dumb butt. And that is not something Ed Gheen would say. No. And he was like, he's a whole different situation. Yeah, we'll go there. So we have plans, y'all. Yeah, we have plans. We have so many plans. During the time that he was killing was in the 1970s and it was in Santa Cruz, around the Santa Cruz California area. During that time, he was one of a trio of killers that were terrorizing people. Him along with John Lindley Frazier, who killed an entire family to save the environment. Again, as one does. Pause for a reaction. And also Herbert Mullen, who killed like 13 people in like a crazy spree because he said it would prevent earthquakes in San Francisco. California has seen some shit. So yeah, so he was in some kind of messy company. And so everybody was going, I don't know how people were still getting in cars during this time. Like cars of people they don't know. Oh, fun fact for that later. I know how they got into Edmund's car. Yeah, as do I. But you guys don't. Keep listening. Hold on to that. So Edmund Kemper III was born in Burbank, California on December 18, 1948. And guess what? That's the day that John and I got engaged. I kept looking at the date and I was like, why do I know this date as like a different special occasion? It wasn't in 1948 because I'm not that old. You're not, but you were 69. And you know what? I don't think John knew this. I don't think he did it on purpose. I know for a fact that he did actually. You know what? And I love him more. But going back to the other. And then in other news. So Edmund was born to Edmund Jr. in Clarnel, Kemper. That's why she was so pissed because her name was fucking Clarnel. No, her name was Clarnel. That sounds like a sound you make when you're in pain. Clarnel! Clarnel! I don't know. It sounds like something. It sounds like a shitty name, Chica. Yeah, his parents. It wasn't like a big happy family. The opposite actually. His parents were not like super, duper, lovie, and in love, and you know, all that good stuff. They actually divorced in 1957 when Edmund was only nine years old. And while that is not a big deal because lots of people get divorced, he was left with his mother. And this is not, again, not a weird thing in normal circumstances. But his mother was not super motherly. I'm going to be really, I'm going to be very mature with how I say this because she is no longer with us. But, I mean like, well the dad said that. He served, I think, in World War II. Yes. Is that what it was? And suicide, and I quote this, suicide missions in wartime and atomic bomb testings were nothing compared to living with her is what the father said. Yeah, this guy was a nuclear weapons tester. Like he would rather do that to living with her. And he said that. And then when they got divorced, he allowed her to take his children. Him Edmund and his two sisters, two Montana, Helena Montana. Yeah. So he's saying that this woman is worse than dealing with atomic bombs and suicide missions, but he's leaving his children. But she's a suitable parent. So like, all right, Edmund, Jr. Elena literally wrote in her notes. Seems fishy. It seems fishy. All right, I don't know. I'm just like, I feel like he's, he, I think Clare Nell is getting a lot of the blame which she should, you'll see she's getting a lot of it. She kind of should, she was real shitty. But it does seem like a prize either. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. So Clare Nell was an alcoholic who verbally and psychologically abused Edmund during his childhood. This got way worse after he divorced his father. For real, she was better. Yeah, she was real better. And Edmund would say later that he thought that she looked at him and saw his father. And she would tell him, like, you're just like you're dead. You say, and he, and it was not a compliment to me. 'Cause she did hit him. You're far better. (laughs) It's been said that she was afflicted with borderline personality disorder. That's unconfirmed and undiagnosed, but a lot of people said that that's something it seemed like she was suffering. That's what it sounds like. It kind of does sound that way. She had a thing where she didn't want to treat Edmund lovingly or do it on him in any way, or be at all lenient with him. I mean, not even an ounce of leniency here. And her reasoning was, she was worried she'd turn him gay. He probably would have turned out to be a great guy, if that was the case. Well, like, what? I didn't want him to turn out gay, so I made him a murderer. So I decided to beat the possible gay out of him, like that is insane to me. So she constantly belittled him. She humiliated him, and she really focused on his size. She called him a freak. At 15 years old, he was six foot four. Yeah, and that was at 15 years old, which at 15 years old-- Not poor kid. You don't want any part of you to be different at 15. You've already, like, in the worst stage of life, at 15 years old, like the most awkward, awful stage. And then your mother-- Your six foot four and your mother is calling you out for it. And calling you, quote, "a real weirdo," which is what she called him all the time. Not cool. I can picture Ma calling someone just like a real weirdo. But like in the cutest way possible. You're a real weirdo. I'm pretty sure she's called me a real weirdo. I think a lot of people have called you a real weirdo. I have 100%. And your real weirdo-ness has rubbed off on me. Exactly. And here we are, podcasting about weird shit. I cast the real weirdo torch. For real. And then I took some of it back so we could do it together. We share the torch. In an 1884 interview, which everybody should go listen, because one thing about Edmund is he talks a lot. Yeah. He loves to tell you all about what was going on in his head, what he was doing, why he was doing it. It is so interesting to hear him talk so-- It's crazy. Freakin' calmly. Oh, he's a true sociopath. And you'll see it when you see these-- He just speaks so calmly. It's like chilling. Yeah, it's awful. And there's a particular 1984 interview where I think it was part of a documentary. And you can see all of it on YouTube. I'm sure you can find it. It's super easy to find. His quote about his mother was, "My mother was a sick, angry, hungry, and very sad woman. I hated her. But I wanted to love my mother. I watched the alcohol increase. I watched the social life drop off. I watched her get bizarre. She had terrible pain from her life for upbringing, a failed marriage with my father. I'm a constant reminder of that failure." So he knows where it comes from. Right. And identifies it. And it seems almost sympathized with it. Yeah, and it's like every kid wants to love their mother. It's got to suck to have that inner conflict. Yeah. I want to love this woman. Right. I'm not giving me anything to love. Let me tell you all about that. So one of the things that Clarnel did, which we'll give you a little peek in the Edmunds' inner hell when he was growing up, is she locked him in a dark basement alone at only nine years? Well, that was his room. You're the time of the evening. The family left the center room, the living room of the house. My mother and my sisters, or my sisters, themselves would go up to bed upstairs, where I used to go to bed upstairs. I had to go down to the basement. And an eight-year-old child had a tough time differentiating the reason in that. Why am I going to the basement? I'm going to hell. They're going to heaven. Earth is the living room. I'm going down to deal with demons and monsters and ghosts and all the things that scare me. They don't have to. Yeah. That was his room, because he didn't hurt reasoning for this. Well, she was where-- I mean, maybe she wasn't so far off base with this one. But she was worried he was going to harm or molest his sisters. So she didn't want him being free there at night to roam the house. Yikes. Which now? You look back, and you'll have your girl. Clarnel, good on you. Right. I mean, I get it. But here's a little piece of parenting advice from me to you. I only have two-year-olds, so who knows? They are not six-foot-four-year. They are not six-foot-four-year, but who knows? But maybe don't lock a child in a basement. Are you least-- Throw a light in there. --at least throw a light in the basement to just throw out there. Yeah. I don't think I'm overstepping in a way. I want to say so. To say maybe don't lock your children in a basement. No. Yeah, I just-- I don't know. I just feel like that's a good thing. Well, especially with the door that the kitchen table was over. Oh, yeah. Could be because the only way in and out of this dark basement was Clarnel. It was a trap door that was under the kitchen table. So once he was in there, he was in there. And they also locked it. So what if there was a fire in the house? That's so sad. That's so sad. It's just like-- And there was a quote from him, and I'll have to find it. He was talking about how the light that was in that basement was like this bare bulb. And he would have to go in the basement and run over in the pitch black to the bulb. And he even said he would run over and pure terror to run over to that. That stresses me out. And it's like, that's a child. I'm not giving him any past here. But let me be perfectly clear with that. But he did have a fucked up job. It is. This is the perfect argument for a nature versus nurture. You could go to town with this one. Because you look at some of the things he was doing here, and we're going to go into them in a second, he was showing clear signs. That something was wrong. And when it's like, I feel like if he had a loving mother and like a normal child-- Right. Maybe he would have possibly just been stopped in his tracks, yeah. I don't know. Obviously, I'm not in his head, who really knows. But this really clearly played a role in it. But that's not what happened. He was not a normal dude. He did not have a normal childhood. So at one point when he was younger, he had a crush on his teacher and his sisters decided to tease him about it. And they asked him, like, why don't you try to kiss her? But they didn't tease a map of that. And his response was, if I kissed her, I would have to kill her first. Like the only way I can kiss this woman is if I kill her. So he was-- and this was when he was young. I'm not clear on what age it was, because it was different ages everywhere I saw. But he was young and too young to be thinking that way. Yeah. Or to connect any of those dots. No. Around these times, he started another serial killer trait where he was butchering the family cats at 10 years old. 10 years old. He buried one of them alive. Or burned, because I found that place, too. There was some people said, I think it's buried, because I saw that more. He buried one alive, then dug it up, and put its head on his spike, because-- Like decapitated the cat. I literally can't. What? And again, at 13, he killed another family cat this time, because he said he felt the cat loved his sister more than he loved him. These poor cats, like, why did you get another one? I don't understand. And it's like, yeah, because you're like a big weirdo creek. That's probably why the cat didn't like you. The cat doesn't like the basement. We're sorry. Oh, look at the hell. And he tortured this poor animal, killed, and dismembered it. And then he hit it in the closet. He kept the pieces in the closet until his mother found them, and was just like, get the cat pieces out of the closet. Like, no help was given. I hope I never, never have to yell that as a parent. If I ever have to tell my girls, get the cat pieces out. Did dismember cat out of your closet? There's going to be a follow-up. I would call a therapist in my next sentence. But no, with Clare now. She was just like, move on now. Back to the basement, buddy. Move on now. You're real weirdo. Real weirdo. During these times, he was decapitating his sister's dolls because, you know, that's-- And that does-- if that was it alone, that's fine. Because I think we've all decapitated a doll here and there. Maybe it's just me. I don't know. We've all decapitated. You're a weirdo. I mean, no, been there, don't know. And Edmund has an explanation of his own for why this happened that he kind of downplays it. I haven't heard this. I have a clip here to kind of show what he says happened. Of course, we can only take this with a grain of salt. But-- I had a cap gun. It was by Mattel, right? Fand or 50. It was a very fancy cap gun. I got it in New York City. I went there for one summer with a cousin. And when I came back, my sister was kind of jealous, my little sister. For years, I never really put any value on what happened. Try to figure out beyond the obvious what happened in this scenario. But she-- I've since found it plausible to believe that when she was angry or jealous about something, she would fuel her attitude toward resolving something. She hated that cap gun because it came between us as brother and sister. It was something I had that she didn't have. That trip represented something she really wanted to eye. And she didn't get it. And I did. But very soon after getting back from that trip, she got in an argument with me. It was over something really petty. She got really outraged. She picked up that cap pistol. I said, don't throw that. And she threw it right at me. WAM. Hard. It hit the floor and my toe. And it hurt bad. But it broke the gun. the end of mechanism. and it wouldn't work after that. I picked it up, I found that out, it wouldn't conquer it, and pull the trigger anymore. And that really outraged me. So I said, so you want to play like that. So I go running into her room, she's, what are you doing? She's shrieking and chasing me, right? So I run into her room and I grab a Barbie doll. It was the one fancy doll she had, the Barbie doll. Everybody has one, right? She had a pair of sewing scissors sitting there in a sewing machine, a sewing kit. I grab the scissors out. The head didn't be capitated, pops off. So I popped that off, I said, well, that's going to go right back on, that's no damage. So I took the scissors and I cut the hands off the doll. I said, here, now you've got a toy that doesn't work too good. I've got a toy that doesn't work too good. That was my attitude. It wasn't quite just me going and dismembering her doll. Again, I think that's a little bit too quick. An astigmatist not me to judge these professionals. But when they look at me here on Monday morning after the football game and they say, gee, here's all these parts of the puzzle. Oh, this indicates what he was going to do. He was also-- did this really fun game with his sisters. One of them was called Gas Chamber. And the other one was called Electric Chair. Did we play that game? I don't think we did. No, no. I don't think these are-- Yeah, I don't recall playing that as a child. Like Freeze Tag. Freeze Tag, for sure. Sure. Gas Chamber? I don't remember that one. No, I don't remember that one. We messed out, I guess. I know we did. And I think basically Gas Chamber was when they would throw one of the-- they throw Edmund into a room and they pretend to flip a switch. And then he pretend to be gasped. Fun for everybody, right? What? And then Electric Chair, he'd sit in a chair and they pretend to flip a switch. And he'd ride around like he was being electrocuted. Again, fun, right? I wish you could all see the face. I'm making right now. Ash is literally looking like-- I'm like, I'm befuddled. She's trying to put this together. It's not happening. And I'm glad it's not happening. No. We don't need to be extensive of him. That's not the-- There is no sense to be made. No one needs to make sense of Edmund, temper. We'll let him try to make sense of himself. And he does a lot. So all that fun happened. And then five years after he was living with his mother alone, he couldn't handle it anymore. And he ran away to his father's new home in California. Where he was remarried, right, the dad? His father was remarried with his stepson. Right. And when he got there-- So this kid has been living with car now. He's been going through all that crap. He gets to his father who he adores. I don't know what I'm-- Really idolizes him. Really idolizes him. He gets there. His dad has a new family. And his dad is like, yeah, there's not a lot of room here for you. Did he stay there for a little bit? Did. He stayed there for a little bit. And I think it became a thing where the new wife and the new-- it just wasn't all-- Well, he probably was exhibiting some weird behaviors. Exactly. Because he's already in this weird thing. So his father sent him to live with his paternal grandparents Maud in Edmund Kemper on a farm in Northport, California. And it goes downhill from here, folks. So Edmund Sadas says another form of rejection. Yeah, I mean, both of your parents-- I mean, his mother's constantly telling him you're a monster, you're a giant monster. She's always telling him no woman is ever going to like you. Because you're a giant freaky weirdo. Yeah, it's-- That's probably not something you want to hear going up. So that in itself is rejection, because it's her mother's love. Right. A section of her mother's written acceptance. Like the one love that you're supposed to have. Exactly. And then he goes to see his father. And he's like, runs away to his father. And his father's like, yeah, I have a new family. And you don't really fit in this. Right. And there you go. I mean, I can kind of understand why he was a little pissed. When he got to the farm, he immediately saw his grandmother as his mother. Because she seemed to be-- She seemed to be domineering too. --to be dead. --domineering, yep, just like his mother. Like that would seem to be a trend in his life as the domineering women. He saw her as a masculating his grandfather and belittling him. He turned her right into his mother. And his mother had also kind of instilled in him that he should hate women almost. Well, probably, yeah. He kind of instilled in him like-- They're never going to like you. They're never going to like you. It's like he's already not on a good path. So after a while on the farm, August 27, 1964, Edmund was only 15 years old. He had a pretty big argument with his grandmother. The argument was over, basically, she was saying, please stop killing the birds on the farm. What? And he got so mad that he grabbed a 22-calibre hunting rifle that his grandfather had given him and shot his grandmother in the head and twice in the back. Now, his grandmother was also, I believe, was writing or illustrating a children's book at the time and fell slumped over on the kitchen table on top of her. You know. But they didn't publish that. They didn't publish children's book. So there's that. His grandfather was coming home from grocery shopping or shopping of some sort. This poor guy. And when he arrived, Edmund shot him and killed him in the driveway. And his reasoning for it was, I didn't want my grandfather to see his dead wife, which is some kind of sympathy. Exactly. But it's like sympathy. But see where his-- then his reasoning for shooting his grandmother-- I just wanted to see what it felt like to shoot grandma. So there's two totally different spectrums here. And it has to do with how he looks at males and how he looks at females. He looks at the male. And he says, I don't want him to go in there and see his dead wife. Right. And he looks at the female. And he's like, well, I just want to see what it looks like to shoot her. That's all. So it's very clear how he views males in his life. And it's very clear how Clarenel raised him to see this. There was also reports that there were multiple post-mortem stab wounds to his grandma. Oh, I read that. Which is rage. Right. Full rage. So what-- there's so many-- he's like, I goddamn evil onion. Yeah. That's another good band name. I don't know about that one. I don't know. I feel like I'm on a roll here. I feel like-- Are we just going to evil band name every day? I think evil onions are pretty good band name. Evil Ephesians too is better. It was. I'll never be able to top that. But evil onion is pretty good. He's an evil onion. He's got so many goddamn layers. She digresses everyone. I digress a lot, but damn, he's got all these layers. Because after he does all this shit, and he's run away from his mother to begin with, and she's just like awful person who makes him feel awful, he kills his grandmother, kills his grandfather, and then the first thing 15-year-old Deadman Kemper does is sit down and call his mother. He's like, he sits down. Alexa, call Clarenel. Way back in 1996. Yeah. And Clarenel answers and tells him to call the police. So he does. He calls the police and waits on the front porch for them to arrive. Like, wow. Just like picture that scene. Everybody take a minute. I don't know how he's so beyond-- Russian hell, yeah. Which goes again with him being a total sociopath. Yes, can't. As a normal-- We're not sociopaths. Because we don't get it. He says that all these crazy ass layers, it's like insane. Upon his arrest, he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia by court psychiatrist. That later changed. They were like nah. They did sentence them with it at first, and he carried out his sentence at a task of Dero State Hospital for the criminally insane. The experts there believe that the grandparent killing was totally displaced rage that was initially intended for his parents for rejecting him. Well, in one person said he didn't show any signs of no flight of ideas, no interference or thought, no expressions of delusions or hallucinations, and no evidence of bizarre thinking. Exactly. Which means he was not paranoid schizophrenia. And they eventually turned that around when he got in there. Because the hospital psychiatrist said that instead he was going to be diagnosed with having a personality trait disturbance with passive aggressive type. Which can't make sense. Does, yeah. Because he sounds like a passive aggressive asshole. Good on you, Sycribass aggressive. Good on you, Sycribass aggressive too. But you know, whatever. While he was there, he was a model prisoner. That's what everybody said, model prisoner. Let me just tell you what I picture. Every single time today that I've read the word, or the phrase model prisoner, I just picture Tyra Banks literally in an orange jumpsuit, like running down the prison hallways, being like, smile with your eyes. Smile. Smile. You better work. That's all I can picture. Edmund Kemper doing that. I can't burn. With like the ruled up bottoms and like-- Just one like rolled up, yes. And high heels. Just like the room being like, you better work. Like Beyonce's playing in the background. That's all good a picture now. Yep. I hope you're all picturing that. Picture that. Go picture that. Go picture that. Yeah. Quick. Go do it. We'll wait. One, two, three, go. So he was a model prisoner, not of that type, bomber. He won everyone over there. And he eventually gained a ton of perks and freedom. He had a weird, oddly charming personality, which you're going to see throughout this whole thing with the clips that we're playing. He's weirdly charming. Again, sociopath of the highest order, weirdly charming. because of all of this, he's, I mean, they like. let him administer psychiatric tests to other patients and prisoners. Because there was a lot of bad people in there. So this allowed him to kind of get a better understanding of how these psychiatric tests work. And the criminal mind. Exactly. And it kind of let him see how you should answer these tests to get yourself out of there, which is what he was looking to do. He was able to answer these questions now to make it look like he was in a better head space than he actually was. Right. These people were really scary individuals. I mean, they're like, you know, like the worst of the worst. Stuck for obedience and murders. All of these, you know, really bad people. And he was stuck in there during his adolescence, during 15 years old when you're so impressionable. Yeah. He's learning from these people. Things like he said, he was learning that if you rape someone, you have to kill them. Because you can't leave a witness. So he got that in his head from a young age. And he goes back to that a lot as he goes on. He keeps going back to the idea that I had to kill her because I couldn't leave a witness. She was going to tell me I was going to get in trouble. Oh, it's insane. So Edmund got out of there, was perroled on his 21st birthday. December 18th. Happy birthday. Happy anniversary. And despite what literally all the psychiatrists recommended and like pleaded with him to do, he was released back to his mother. All of these psychiatrists said no way. They were all like, in fact, most of them said Edmund told said that they actually said, "Cut her off. That's it." Like, when you get out of here, don't even send her a Christmas card. They literally told him to cut all contact off. And then he was released into her custody at 20. Like, how did he get released into her custody at 21? No. Is it because of him? It's probably because I have no idea. And he had nowhere else to go, I think. Right. I was not like he was going to foster care at 21. He was just 18 when he went in. So he had nothing. Oh, it's about. I wonder what ever happened to his dad. Because I mean, it was his parents that got murdered. I think, I want to say that the stepson spoke out at some point. I believe I saw an article and he spoke out at some point. I would like to read that. I didn't go too far into it, but I'll have to look at it later. That'd be interesting. But I think they kind of wanted to get the hell away from this whole thing. But why? Yeah, I don't know why. Um, eventually, and I'm going to get into this in more detail later, but he eventually got, and when he got out at 21, he went close after he got out, he got his entire juvenile record expan. Exponed. Which means he, the record of him killing his grandparents went away completely. And we'll, I will get into that later because. Talk about charming. But he was able to charm himself out of a rap sheet, basically, out of brain. Right. Unbelievable. So, well, I must have just been him taking those tests and they must have, like, just thought it was a psychotic break. He was just able to. And they didn't want it to affect him forever. It'll, it's the, the actual situation where it happened will come up later and you're, it's going to blow all your minds out. It happened. But, uh, after a little while, he moved in with a roommate and I'll meet a California, but his mother was still. She would pop up all the time. She was probably. Exactly. She was just still all over his shit. She was like, "Hey, real weirdo, how you doing?" Weirdo. And he eventually got a job working for the highway department and he was able to get through a settlement for a motorcycle accident. Yeah, he was, he bought a, what, from what I read on Wikipedia. He had like a motorcycle and was in an accident where he was. He got a settlement. Yeah, 15,000. And that's how he bought his 1969 yellow Ford Galaxy. I'm just telling you and I thought this earlier when I was doing some research in the 70s, just don't get into a yellow car. Yeah. Don't do it. Yellow cars are a battleman in the 70s in California or Ted Bundy. Yeah. And either way, it's not. And I'm sure there's probably more. Which were totally entity Ted Bundy. Um, because he's, he's my faith. Yeah. And favorite and like the best way possible. And like the, in the least way. Everyone has a favorite murderer. As a favorite murderer. You're lying if you say, you know. So, uh, now at, by this point, he's basically missed ages 15 through 21. Critical years. So he's out of, he's out of here. The last time he was at free was at 15. So he's like super behind the curve social. Well, the difference between 15 and 21 is. It's crazy. It's not like a lot in years, but it's a lot in life phases. Exactly. And it's like at 21 now, he's still at 15. Right. In socially. Trapped. Yeah. Intelligence, he's, he's really intelligent. But socially, he's like super behind. Uh, he didn't feel like he was a deput speaking with women his age at all. In fact, in one interview, he said that, "I wasn't impudent physically, but emotionally I was impudent. I was scared to death of failing in male-female relationships. I knew absolutely nothing about that whole area." And it's true. Well, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't, he probably never. He must out on high school. Right. So, he didn't know how to talk to women. During this time is when he started noticing, because again, we're like entering the hippie era. Oh, yeah. And all like, I wish that I had been born. I do not. Well, and I, I wish that I had been born then, but known all of this somehow. Yeah. And like, avoided hitchhiking. No way. You'd be, you'd be one of these chicks. Listen. Yeah. You'd be in trouble. She gives me no credit. I don't. You would totally be one of them. I would hop in there with my flower crown on acid. Like I'd be standing next to you. I'd be like, I'd be lecturing you, being like, we're not supposed to be hitchhiking. This is really bad. It's fine. I'm like, I'm going to go up and I'd be like, that's a big dude. I'm leaving. I'm going. I'm not missing the festival. And I'd be like, I believe. I'm like, I'm on my way to Wadstock. See ya. So that would be bad. We dad grass. So this is when he started working up to killing. By his own claims, he picked up and dropped off over over 150 hitchhiking women without any incident. But he wanted to. He just didn't. He just like tricking out. Yeah. He was quoted in front page detective, which is a magazine that like focuses on true crime and shit from the 70s. In 1973, he was saying, at first, I picked up girls just to talk to them, just to try and get acquainted with people my own age and try to strike up a friendship. I didn't work out. But at first, he was trying to use these experiences as just getting more, you know, comfortable. Practice with talking to women of college age women because he just didn't know how. So he was like, well, if they're in a car with me, we have to talk. Right. So I'm going to figure out how to do this. Then he kind of began inching towards where he eventually ended up. He began without a gun. And he would just kind of think about it and you think about it. And he would have a hidden gun somewhere and he wouldn't bring it out. He would just have the gun in the car and he would know it was there and it would kind of give him the thrill. Started getting bigger and bigger and unfortunately, he started having a feeling of what he called a fantastic passion building up inside of him. Like what a dick. Yeah. Calling it a fantastic passion, like your piece of shit. Like my fantastic passion is doing hair. And like seriously, my fantastic passion is true crime, true crime and performing autopsy. You're weird. So maybe I'm not that proud of you're a real weirdo. I don't know if I have a lot of likes. Have we not said that that's a good band name real weirdo? Did that just occur to me? That is a good band name actually. I still think evil onions better anyways. We're going to move on. We're going to agree to this great. So that whole fantastic passion, which is bad band name. Yeah. We're starting to build up inside him and become too much to handle. And in that same 1984 interview that I mentioned earlier, he said I was raging inside. There was just incredible energies, positive and negative, depending on a mood that would trigger one of the other. Outside I looked troubled at times. I looked moody. Other times. Perfectly serene. But again, people weren't even aware of what was happening. So see? So see a path. That's the highest order. That is like a total sociopath. Yeah. He himself compares the process to becoming more and more tolerant of drugs or alcohol and just needing more and more to get the effects that you want, which is a similar process if you do think about it. Yeah. It's kind of I hate how like I don't agree with you for it. I really don't like it. I like you man. Right. So it was early summer of 1972 that Kemper finally began to act these fantasies out. He was almost always after like a knock down drag out fight with his mother that he would commit these crimes. So he was in a rage. So he was already in a rage and he was displacing that rage. His so we're going to go through the victims now. Things are going to get rough. So strap in because it's going to get rough. This guy was a bad dude. The first and second victims were on May 7 of 1972 and they were Fresno State University students Mary Ann pesky and Anita Luceza. They were both 18 year olds and they were hitchhiking to Stanford University when they accepted a ride from Edmund Kemper. His basic amount was he would drive these girls to a deserted area, which he did with pesky and Luceza. Right. And he worked in the highway department. So he knew like he knew all these weird remote areas. Yeah. And like weird wooded areas. Right. The first thing he did was he hand cuffed pesky and then he locked Luchezza in the trunk. While Pesky was in the front seat or she was at least in the car, not in the trunk, he tried suffocating her with a bag. But this bad bitch bit through the bag. Whoa, I didn't know that. It's like, yeah, she fought real hard and he did not say it coming because I guess he put a bag over her head. Which he like, he mentioned the way he said it was he had this like, nifty little trick. He called it like a nifty little trick. It's a bad to suffocate someone. That's not even a nifty trick. And it's like one that's real messed up that you're calling it nifty. And two, you didn't make that up. No. Come on. You don't get anything for that. So after she bit through the bag, he was kind of fighting with her. She ended up stabbing her because that's all he could think of. And he had a big old knife. Right. So he stabbed her and she didn't fall dead. Because he was shocked by this because he in the interview, he says, I thought it was like a movie. I thought when you stab someone, they die. Like they fall over and go, oh, it doesn't quite work like that. But in this is another quote from him, he says, in reality, when you stab someone, they leak to death. Oh, they lose blood pressure and you stab the more and more and more. You complicate it many times by where you're hitting the pain you're causing and the aggravation of the person involved, plus whether or not they leak a little faster. First of all, the word leak. I could never say it again. It rubs me in such a wrong way. Like it makes me feel so many type of ways. Like I can't handle that. Like a way the humanity of the person. It does. It makes it seem like a leaky faucet. You know, or like a balloon. People don't leak. People don't leak. People don't leak. You bleed. Exactly. You have blood running through your veins and that blood bleeds. You're not leaking. It's just such an awful way to put it. He said that wasn't working. Like he was stabbing her. He even said, I stabbed her all over her back and her sides and it wasn't working. She was still alive. And you know, you might, somebody might be thinking, why didn't he just stab her in the heart if he was really not wanting to stab this many times and he's upsetting him because that's what he seems to be saying. Why don't you stab her in the heart and end it? Maybe in this frenzy, he just didn't think that clearly. Oh, no, he did. Oh, he said he thought of it. He thought, why, why don't I just stab her in the heart? But then he thought, and I quote, her breasts were there. And that actually deflected me. I couldn't see stabbing a young woman in the breast. That's embarrassing. For her, for him. For him. Like it's embarrassing for him to admit that. What? He literally said that like he, I heard somewhere that weird thing about like stabbing. Her in the chest. I read somewhere that he said he apologized to her mid-attack for accidentally touching her breasts. I read that as well. He actually said, yeah, he said he accidentally like brushed against her breasts. Yeah, and he was trying to do whatever he was doing. Right. And he actually said, oh, sorry, or like, oh, I'm sorry. In the middle of fucking murder, he was like, oh, my bad. Yep. Like he literally said, like I was embarrassed. I'd be like, no Edmund. This whole thing is your bad. I tell like juvenile, his social and sexual mind was like, oh, I touched the titties. He touched the breast. Right. And he's like, whoa, like he's like, that's a 15 year old reaction. He's like, oh shit, sorry. Yeah. Like, unfortunately, he ended up ending her life by cutting her throat ear to ear. He said that stabbing her was definitely not what he expected. And it was horrible. It shook him up. He lost all his, you know, calm and nerve at that moment. And when he went back to Luchesa and the trunk, he was obviously covered in blood because he had stabbed her a billion times. And she was like, what the hell is going on? What did you do? You know, this program. Now, he had kept her in the trunk as some like, the way he says it is like, he is almost this like favor he was doing to her. Like not, he was trying to like be respectful and not have her see what he was doing to her friend. And that's almost more terrifying than she has no idea what's going on. She's locked in a damn trunk. And like, what a dick. Like you think in your weird twist in my mind? Like the gentleman thing to do. Like the gentleman in the trunk. Yeah. Like someone else. Like, fuck, actually, God damn general. I'm the sad man, Kevin. You. And obviously she got upset. So what he did, what he said was he said, your friend got smart with me. And I hit her in the nose. And I think I broke her nose. And that's what this blood is. You better go see what she's, if she's okay. That's what he said. And in the interview that I heard, he actually made sure to say, by the way, like pesky did get super smart with me like a couple of times. Like she was getting real smart with me. And I never hit her. So you stabbed her a billion times and slither through it. But I didn't hit her. Hit her. Like, oh, again, like clops for you, bud. Gentleman Edmund Kemper. I like, I just like legitimately get a little angry. Yeah, he's a dick. And it's like, he's such a sociopath. He's like, he's so charming. A mind-be-be-that creeps out. Right. That awful monster just creeps out. You can't hide that shit. That's ridiculous. So unfortunately, he ended up killing Luceza. He stabbed her. And he actually said when the knife didn't initially pierce her clothing because it was so dull. And he ended up more horrific. And he ended up killing her by actually struggling her in the end. And the way he said it was, it wasn't that swell of a knife anyway. Wasn't that swell of a knife? What? Yeah. Yeah, he's a weird guy. So he then brought both of their bodies back to his apartment in the trunk. And on the way to his apartment. Oh, he got stopped. He pulled over by the police. For a fucking tail light. For a busted tail light. And the police officer did not search his car. He had two dead bodies in the trunk. And also, as I can imagine, there had to have been tons of blood in that car. Right. So the officer obviously didn't pay attention or some-- It must have been dark. It just wasn't thinking of it. But like, holy hell. Like that could have been ended right. Well, and it was his old buddy Ed. Yeah. It was his old buddy Ed. Because he was friends with all the police officers. Yes, he was. And last episode we did, he was a police officer. This episode he's friends with. Well, looking good. But I swear we're not anti-police officers. No, no, no. This is just a coincidence. Right. But Ed actually wanted to be a police officer, which you seem to find a lot in these guys because they like the authority thing and they like the power thing. But in a weird turn of events, he was too big. They have like a height thing and a weight thing. And he was too big. They were like seven feet tall. We can't hand you a gun and a badge and have you troll in the streets as like, you know, an evil Hagrid. Like it's not. It's just not something we need. So because he couldn't be a police officer, he wanted to be around them all the time. And there was this bar called the jury room, which is like so on the nose. And all the youth police officers used to hang out at the jury room and drink their beer and like hang and talk about cases and whatnot. And Edmund would go and hang out with them at this bar. And they actually ended up liking him. He described himself, I think, as a friendly nuisance. Yeah, which is totally what I described in this. Just a friendly nuisance. Just say a fucking nuisance. Yeah, just a fucking monster. But they loved him because again, he's a charming guy. Right. If he was just talking to you, you probably would find him kind of like a book without knowing that he's like this awful beast. Well, he knows how to turn it on and off for the absolute one he needs to. He absolutely does. And so they would even like be discussing the co-ed killer crime. And this would happen later obviously because he just began. But later, like he would hear them talking about it. He would discuss it with him. Commentate with it. And it had to have been some like weird thing where he felt like some kind of trauma. Like a true one. That he was the guy and he had all the information and he was hearing them just sit and try to grasp that. Just trying to put shit together and he sit there being like, I know everything. Like that had to have been part of his like getting off. Well, it was just a weird noise. It wasn't in the house, it was outside. Okay. We should leave that in. So we're really in. So I spoke to you out. He did. All right. So he gets stopped for the tail light. Yeah. So then once he gets them back to his apartment, he rapes their corpses, which is something he does every single time. Yeah. He's told me that. Every time. Yeah. He took explicit photographs of them, like pose them in sexually explicit ways. Like he's a real piece of shit. And I was kind of what he was infamous for doing is raping the corpses afterwards. He really did that. He even did it with his own mother later. Well, not just like raping the corpses, like raping the decapitated heads. Because that's when he dismembered and decapitated their bodies and he placed their parts in plastic bags and raped themselves. Because something he really liked to do. And that's really weird. He ended up showing the heads in a ravine and the bodies were dumped elsewhere. And in the end, only pesky's head was found. We chased his head wasn't found. And none of their body parts were found. Which is awful. Yeah. And after this whole thing, he went back to just giving women rides. He started trying to do a ride thing. He was like, okay, I did that. So maybe we can just be friends. I got it out of my system. my system but apparently he's a stud. Um. It was only when he raged that he would kill. Again, it was like he'd get a fight with her. - Yeah, so he got another fight with her. - And he would display such a, he did say that if the women mentioned the case and talked about the killings, - It was a real love. - The real love. - This dude was like, is around that he's picking up people, like, well, if you're not them, he wouldn't kill them. - Why? - Why? - And I don't know why. - Like he just wouldn't do it. - Huh. - Which is weird. He had like, it was like this weird embarrassment thing. If you liked him, you want to be connected to it. - Right. - I don't know. So that didn't last long because the third victim was on September 14th, 1972. - 15 years old. - 15 year old Korean ballet dancer, I go cool. - Looking for a ride to dance because she missed the bus. - She missed her bus and she really wanted to get to dance class. So she held out a sign that said, like, I think it said San Francisco on it 'cause you needed to get there. - Oh. - He picked her up and he immediately broke out a gun to scare the shit out of her. Like immediately broke out a gun was like, and told her that I'm going to kill myself and I want you here as a witness. That's what he initially told her. And he said, if you like, you know, if you struggle, if you scream, if you try to go away, I'm gonna kill you too, but this is what I wanna do. I just wanna kill myself. You just need to be here. - What? - So she's probably like, what? The actual fuck. But that's what he told her. And he drove her to her wooded area like he did before. - Oh no, honey. - And at one point, he locked his keys in the car with - Oh, I know. - With the gun under the seat and she let him back in the car. - Yeah, she somehow convinced her. - He convinced her to let him back in the car. And he says it. He's like, the gun has happened. - She could have picked that gun up. She could have drove that car away. I was on the outside. She was on the inside. She had everything. - It just goes to show how convincing he must have been. - Convincing he must have made her feel like he wasn't - Well, she maybe she just assumed. - And it's like, Jesus, little 50. - Yeah, she doesn't know. - He's a fucking, almost seven- - Giant man. - Monster. - I mean, this situation is just beyond. And he did get back in the car. He did say that she fought back hard. And he eventually strangled her to death with this, I think it was her own scarf. He had initially tried to suffocate her by sticking his fingers up her nose. - What? - Which I'm like, that's just where the 15 year old ad comes back at the point. - Yeah, that's not, and that obviously did not work. - And she fought hard at that point. She was like, "Hell no." And then he used the scarf to strangle her. He immediately raked her body. On his way home, he stopped for a beer. - Yeah, for this friend. - Because, you know. And then he brought her back to his apartment where you guessed it, he dismembered and raped her again. She was never found despite huge efforts from her parents. - It hurts my heart so much when people aren't found. Because the family already has to go through, I can't even imagine like the pain that they go through, and then to never be able to lay here. - No closer at all. - You're loved one to rest. - You get no farther away. - You are always going to wonder where they are. - And you're going to just sit there and think about them alone. - Oh no, you know, you need to sit there. - I actually just felt like I was going to cry. - Right? - That's horrible. - That's awful. - She was a baby. - You don't move on. - And it gets even worse. - The fuck him for doing that. - Right? And it gets even worse. On the way to disposing of her severed head, which he had in a bag in his car, he stopped at his scheduled court mandated psychiatrist appointment with her head in a bag in his car. - I did not know that. - And at that appointment, it was when he was officially deemed to be no longer threat to others, and was actually referred to as a very well adjusted young man by two psychiatrists. And it was then that they recommended that his juvenile record be sealed. - I wish you could see all of my fucking face right now. With Igo Kooz head in his car. That was when his juvenile record was sealed. - I think my face just, hermanently will be like this forever. - Yeah. - 'Cause that's what permanent means. What? - So he was in there, and they're asking, "How was your day?" "Yeah, it was cool." Everything's fine. And they were saying, he seems like a very well adjusted young man. He seems like everything's fine. - Out of the psychiatrist's feeling. - And just the fact that they're sitting in a couple of weeks to do. - He's no longer a threat. He's no longer a threat to be that good at defying people. - And he's in the middle of a murder spree. That's bad. That's real bad. That's bad on them. Big bad on them. Like real bad. Whoa. - Yeah. - And it was at this time. - I'm shook it. - The warning started coming out by the authorities telling women don't accept rights from strangers, and especially do not get in a car unless it has a university sticker. - You know who had a university sticker? - Edmund fucking camper did. - 'Cause his mama worked at the college. - The college. - The Ciceroos. And she worked as an administrative assistant, so she had a sticker, and he got a sticker. Which meant he was picking these girls up, and he was looking like somebody from the college. Which is what all the authorities were saying was totally fine. It can't be someone from the college. I wonder why they thought that. - I think they just assumed that this was an outsider. I mean, 'cause they were picking, I think he was also picking them up outside of the campus too. - Oh, so I think they were not thinking that it was somebody. And they're supposed to know everybody that was saying. - Right, and they're probably like checking cars and whatnot. - And it's like if they work there, the thinking they can't be this killer, we know their background. - Oh, yeah. He actually attributes the fact that she worked with college co-eds. He attributes why he killed co-eds to the fact that his mother worked there. - Well, she wouldn't introduce him to any of her own. - And he says, they, in, I quote, they represented not what my mother was, but what she liked, what she coveted, what was important to her, and I was destroying it. So he saw this as she worked with these co-eds. She thought they were like the ideal, and he was gonna fuck it all up. Yeah. And at this point, - That's what you move back in with his mother on the UCS. - You know, it was campus. - Why not? - Because you know, that seems like the next best step. And I think he just ran out of money and we couldn't have paid it for him as a part of it, because he was probably busy killing people and couldn't move to the house. - And how the job was. - That does not pay the bills. - No. - So this is also the time that he bought a 22 caliber pistol, and this is when he said he went quote, bananas when he bought it. Which upsets me because I say bananas all the time. - I'm gonna say that the same anymore. - Because he's like, I got my 22 pistol, and I'm like bananas. Like, but I just now I'm picturing him being like, this shit is bananas. B-A-N-A-N-A-S. - I hope he didn't do that. - I bet he didn't, 'cause that's all he was about to do. - Yeah. - Which is, - He's scary enough. We don't need a seven foot fucking sociopathic time traveling. - No. - We don't need that. It was after getting this 22 caliber pistol that he got his fourth victim, which was in the show. - And that was on January 7th, 1973. - She was only 19 years old. - Yeah. - He murdered her after obviously he picked her up, hitchhiking. That was his thing. He murdered her by shooting her. - And then he hit her in his fucking closet. - Yes, he did, but not before raping her corpse and dismembering her with an axe in the shower. - In his mother shower, right? - Yeah, of course it was his mother shower, 'cause it's so on the nose again. He's just all about the simple. - He's like, "Screw you mom, scream your shower, "Screw your cold, damn shower." And he ended up throwing the pieces of her body into a nearby ravine. One thing he always did from this point on, because this is when he had the gun, was he always removed the bullet from the skull. Once again, it was really smart. - To remove like identification. - Because that way they can't trace it. - They don't know what. - They know it was like probably know it's maybe a 22 because they can look at the bullet wound. - But they can't have that. - They can't pull it and they can't trace it back to the gun. Once again, really smart. After having sex with her head for several days, her severed head, her severed head, he then buried that head in a backyard garden at his mother's house. And he said he faced her to look up at the window because according to him, quote, "My mother always wanted people to look up to her." What a guy. What a guy. - Your mother's day of twang. - What a guy, right? Mother's day is coming up, guys. Don't get your mom of that. - Do not get ideas from this podcast. - Whoa. - So after he had escalated to that point, his fifth and sixth victims, which were the ones before his, you know, crescendo at the end. His fifth and sixth victims were on February 5th, 1973. It was after a particularly bad fight. - Like a really bad fight. And he picked up UC Santa Cruz students, Rosalind Thorpe. - Rosalind's such a pretty name. - I just have to throw that in. - Rosalind, I think that's what that's really pretty. - It was Rosalind Thorpe and Alison Lou. There, I believe Alison was 21. I've gotten different reports of how old Rosalind is, so I don't wanna say what. - I think Wikipedia said they were both 21, but I, - I think they're going to be. - He was around 21, sorry. - Right, right there. He shot them both in the head while he was still on the university campus. - What? - So he got them in the car and immediately shot them in the head. - How did nobody hear that? - So he was really starting to go bananas. - Huh? - Beans. - Beans. - Beans. - On his way out of the campus, he passed right by campus security. He claims that the security guard did have, obviously, have to let him out. And he'd covered the two with a blanket and the back seat. And he told the security guard, these two were drunk. They passed out and I'm bringing them home. So that's his first story. His second story is that the guard was passed out and he got by him. - Sometimes I just don't have his shirt. - So he don't have his shirt and he can't really tell. What are you saying? Either way, fucked up. - He, this is where you can tell he's really starting to lose it too. Because the other ones were very, he brought him back home when he did all the shit. - Right. - He got back to his mother's house and in the trunk, in full view of the neighborhood. Right outside of his mother's house, he decapitated them both in the fucking trunk. - Like in the driveway. - He opened the trunk in the driveway, in full view, and decapitated two coeds in the trunk of his car. - Where was that neighborhood watch? - Full view of anybody passing by. If you walked by his house at that point, you would have seen him sawing the heads off of two women. - I'm like, I don't know if I should say this, but I'm glad that nobody was walking by. - Can you imagine? - 'Cause he probably would have just like gone berserk. - Yeah. - I think he literally would have lost it and started just tapping people to bits. - Yeah. - Yeah. - So that's bananas. - Shit, dude. - He ended up dumping the heads and bodies of these two in separate places as well. And this was like several days later, after he had already defiled their corpses. - Now, his last victims were Clarnell Kemper and her best friend, whose name I will tell you in a second. (laughing) - His last victims were his mother and his mother's best friend. - Sally Hallett. - It was April 20th, 1973 on Good Friday. - It was not a good Friday. - Not at all. - He ended up using a claw hammer on his mother to beat her to death and then slit her throat while she slept. And right now, I'm gonna let Edmund tell you exactly how it went down. - And that's when I decided I'm going to murder my mother. I knew a week before she died, I was gonna kill her. And she went out to a party, she got sourced, she came home, went to sleep. I was woken up by that, I got, came out. I walked up to her bed, she's laying there reading a paperback as many thousands of nights before. And she said, "Oh, I suppose you're gonna want "to sit up all night and talk now." - She said, "Now look to her, I said, "No, it's a good night." And I knew I was gonna kill her, you know? And I'm so cold, I'm so hard. And that's the first time in 10 years, I've looked at it that way. I mean, that intensely, that honestly, it's been a year since I've been in the States, I've been in the States for years, I've been in the States for years, and I humiliated her court, it's there, you know, a six-year-old woman dead, because of the way she raises her son, and the way her son is raised, the way he grows up, and what's her closing words? I suppose you want to sit up all night and talk. God, I wish I had. - So that happened. - So, I mean, what's weird to me is that in the clip, Edmund starts to almost sound like he's crying. - Oh, yeah. - And he sounds very. - Re-mourced for him. - It's like he didn't want it. So it's weird that he connects himself to her, like, in the way. - In a way. - Like he can sit there and say, like, "Yes, I came out of her." Like I'm not a lizard. I didn't just get plopped here to cause murder, and may have I came from my mother. - Right. - And then I can't. It's such a weird connection he has. - It reminds me of that two-pox song. - You know? - It is just like that. - All right, well, it's a little bit different, but I see what you're going to do. - Cool. - The relishin. - Our brains work differently. - The relishin is not causation. So he ended up, you know, as he said, he decapitated his mother. He raped her head several times, whole another level. He then used her head as a dartboard. - Yeah. - For it screamed at it for hours. - She's placed it on a shelf to yell at it for hours. The rage and just insanity that that requires to put your place, your mother, first of all, the usual mother's head is a dartboard. - First of all, to kill your mother. - Exactly. - But it's like, to take it to the level of them putting her head on the shelf and yelling at it. And using it as a dartboard. - Like that's the only time he felt like he could cut like, fight back is like, now she's decapitated. She's dead. I can put her head on a shelf and I can fucking yell at her back. - And just should not see something so off about. - Exactly. - But he said, his whole, 'cause I'm sitting here doing all this research and I'm like, why did he want to decapitate them? Like, what is that all about? And he said, the head trip fantasies were a bit like a trophy. You know, the head is where everything is. The brain, the eyes, the mouth, that's the person. I remember being told as a kid, you cut off the head and the body dies. The body's nothing after the head is cut off. Well, that's not quite true. There's a lot left in the girl's body without the head. - Oh, no. - What? Like, he's trying to sound profound and maybe he does in some way, I guess. - He's first found in like most evil, darkest, darkest, darkest, twisted, awful, awful way. - I just, - And I still don't get the head. - 'Cause it's literally, I think it's literally the worst thing you can do to a person. - Well, it's so like, - And since he's displacing his anger of his mother at these women, he's thinking of the worst thing you could do to his mother, which he eventually did. And then he also took her tongue and larynx out, he cut them out. And then he tried, he threw them down the garbage disposal. He turned it on and the garbage disposal sped pieces on them back at him. - Symbolic. - And his, he was quoted as saying, I found that appropriate. As much as she bitched and screamed and yelled at me over so many years. Of course. - This is the other thing. - Even the garbage disposal cannot. - Her voice was just wasn't going anywhere. - He, after that, he raped her body and then put her in a closet and went out for a drink. Later, he called her best friend, 59 year old Sally Hallett, a master over for dinner. When she got there, he strangled her, he decapitated her and raped her body. After he did that, he stuffed her in a closet too. He stole her car and he started driving and ended up in Pueblo, Colorado. There, he pulled over to pay phone and he called police and confessed. At first, the police were like, oh, Ed. - That's funny. - Stop. And they didn't believe him. - Well, 'cause they had talked about the co-ed killer with him so many times. He had to call them back and ask for a police officer that he was actually friendly with. And he actually told this police, like, no, I really didn't believe him. - Like, please come and get me. - And to make them understand, he confessed to all the other crimes. So he was like, yeah, I killed my mother, but then he was like, you don't believe me? Okay, well, I did this one, this one, this one, this one. He told them all about it. So, they ended up coming and they arrested him. At that point, when they asked him why he confessed, he said, quote, the original purpose was gone. I just said to hell with it and called it off. Because once he had killed his mother, that was it. That was the apex. He didn't need to do it anymore. - Right. - He was like, that was it. This whole thing was about his mother. - Yeah. - And he was arrested in April of 1973 at 24 years old. He faced eight counts of first degree murder. He attempted suicide twice while waiting for him. And he really tried for an insanity defense. He even confessed to cannibalism and then recanted. - Do you think that's true? - Not at all. He recanted it. He said he didn't. He said the reason he said he had cannibalized was he wanted that insanity defense and thought that would get a form. It failed. And once it failed, he was like, I didn't need anybody. - Yeah. - Like, oh, don't worry, everybody. - I did everything else, but I didn't know. - Like, how dare you say that. When he was found guilty, he actually requested to be put to death by torture. - I read that. - But at the time, there was a moratorium in California on the death penalty. - Yeah. - So he just ended up getting seven life sentences to be served to him currently. - Right. - He was sent to a California medical facility and he served alongside Herbert Mullen. - And Mullen, Charlie Manson. - And, but he was next to, you know, Herbert Mullen. who was also terrorizing everybody at the same time. - He did not like Herbert Mullen. - No, he did not. - No, 'cause he's a crazy dude. - Well, he used to sing when everyone was trying to watch TV and said, and Ed would pour water on his head, but then give him peanuts when he was a good old boy. (laughing) - He was a good old boy, a good old boy. Well, now there's an amazing show that Edmonds, you know, likeness is in. - No, no. - A Netflix mind hunter, awesome show. - There are resemblance between end real enemies. - And not it's insane. - Well, the show is based on the book mind hunter inside the FBI's Elite Serial Crime Unit, and it's written by Johnny Douglas and Mark Olshaker. They were two FBI agents who are kind of credited with like propelling criminals of psychology and profiling forward, and they brought attention to the idea of serial murder. - Right. - They did this by interviewing like several serial killers in prison, including Kemper. They actually called John Douglas the serial killer whisper, which is kind of fun. - What a title. - A fun name. Kemper is played by Cameron Britton on the show. - It's uncanny. - He's phenomenal. - He sounds like him. - But nominal. He sounds like him. He has his mannerisms. - He looks like him. - He looks like him. - I mean, it's you just watch it. You really have to watch it. - It's so good. - I'm not done yet, so don't let go of the man. - It's got like Jonathan Grough and Hulk McCallanine, I think his name is playing the two main, the two agents. And it's everything. I mean, they even, besides Kemper, they also have, you know, B.T.K. on there, who a fucking hate and will cover him, but he's a loyal asshole. - He's a loyal man. He's like my least favorite. He's such a little bitch. They have, you know, Richard Speck on there. They have Jerry Brudos. All people we're gonna cover later. - We're gonna cover so many people. - So many people. - He's giving all the tidbits. He's said to be a model prisoner now, like again, he's tire of banks and he's still, he's staying with it. He can even, now he's even tasked with scheduling other inmates psychiatric appointments. And he has spent over 5,000 hours narrating several hundred books on tape. - I'm so long time. - In so long time. - Children's books. I haven't found the titles of which children's books. He has actually narrated, but-- - Let's still not wear them to your kids. - He's quoted recently as saying, "I can't tell you what this has meant to me to be able to do something constructive for someone else, to be appreciated by so many people. The good feeling it gives me after what I have done." - Well, I don't know if they like necessarily appreciate Ed. - It's upsetting. Some of the titles that he has narrated include Flowers in the attic. Can you imagine-- - What? - Edmund Kemper, reading you, the just garbage dumpster fire that is Flowers in the attic. Can you please, I legit loved that lifetime movie. - Can you imagine him reading about that? Like I can. - No, what else? - The glass key, Merlin's Mirror, pedal on the wind, which is-- - Is that the sequel? - I think that's one of the sequels. The Rosemary Murders, Spinks and Star Wars. - Star Wars? - Star Wars. So if you wanna hear Edmund Kemper doing a killer Darth Vader or a Chewbacca impression. - Oh. - Yeah. So, yeah, that about gets us to nowadays, where Edmund Kemper is still sitting in prison and still talking. So-- - Yeah. - That is Edmund Kemper, the co-ed killer. - How are you guys feeling right now? - How are you feeling? I'm feeling good. - Yeah. - Thanks so much for listening. We appreciate all of you. We hope you keep coming back. - We hope you keep it weird. - Next week, we're gonna be hitting some dead Russians in the Dyat love pass incident. - This is a good, not a good one, but it's interesting. - This is gonna get, we're gonna get into some weird conspiracy. - The wheels are gonna be turned in in your brains. - Yeah, we're gonna get into some weird-- - I'm almost scared to research it. - It's a crazy one. So stay tuned. Yes, bye. (singing) - To be walking up the stairs with a camera bag, a belong to a young woman that had her severed head in it. Walking up to my apartment, passed a happy young couple coming down the stairs who nodded and smiled at me. As they went by, good evening, and they're going out on a date where I'd love to be going. And I'm aware of both of these realities and the distance between those two is so dramatic, so amazing, so violent, that at really, I can feel the wheels squeaking inside. That was really pulling on it. And I imagine at that point some people break, but I didn't literally go insane. I didn't get lost.