Eagles Endgame, Commanders Disaster, Travis in Cleveland! & Who’s Season is Over w/ Mike Tomlin | Ep 206

Allegedly, the Cowboys defense had a player's only meeting as a coach. What do you think when your team is having a player's only meeting? I think you're dead. I got nothing but respect for player leadership and I embrace that and all of that stuff. But that would you have a player's only meets man? It doesn't feel good. I'll tell you that. I just always feel like it always is just a formality that is like we're going to do the players only meeting because nothing else is working. So let's try the players only meeting. If it did occur, I'd like to not hear about it. The fact that you hear about it. We had a player's only meeting. Welcome back to new highs, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. A wundry show brought to you by all state. That's right. You're in good hands with all state where you're host. I'm Travis Kelsey is my big brother Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights. Oh, Ohio shut out to the guards. Baby. Come on. We're one and all got another game tonight against the raise down there in Tampa. Man, it's fun to watch the play right now. Let's get to the rest of the show though. Baby, subscribe on YouTube. Wherever you get your podcasts, follow show and all social media at new heights. Show with what has for fun clips throughout the week. And Jason, please tell the people we got coming up. 90%ers. It's a by week for Travis Kelsey. So it was by week baseball as you can see with the shirt on. I was also in London just got back to the old US survey on Monday morning. You sound like if I'm glad that no one in the NFL can apparently manage a clock. And also my talent is here. Let's go. The old coach is coming in. He's been killing it on Sunday night football and all this has been doing. Obviously, I think everybody expected him to do well. There's not many coaches in my time that delivered better sound bites as a coach. And that's how Mike is the man we can't wait to talk to him today. And before we get into that, let's get into some of that new news news news is brought to you by Nike. Let's go. We've also teamed up with Stony Clover. We have on a brand new new Heights collab. How about that? Yeah, we got a clear bag. This is Stony Clover that we got some patches. Some patches going around the clear bag for the stadium bag. All stadium stadium back. Would you got a fanny pack? I just got this little thing. This is like a little toilet tree bag or something. Yeah, it was like something that you would put. It's like an easy carry. I guess Jason's always in on a fanny pack now. I just feel like it's super convenient. Especially if you're going to be out and about walking. Would you want a clear fanny pack though? I would never do a clear bag just walking around. But because stadiums make you do it because of the optics of safety. I think that then, yeah, I would because I'm a big fan of fanny packs. I just feel like it's a convenient way to carry things. It just fits right under the gut. So perfect fits right under the gut. There's no issues with my shoulder. It's right on the hips. So there's no strain in your back. It's easy to it's easy to access. And I mean, I just it's way more manly than a purse. Who is the first? What about a nurse? Well, that's different. Who made the first fanny pack? I was actually fanny fanny McJohnson. Fanny McJohnson. Danny McJohnson. The old I'm leading with that from now on. There was a fanny pack on the Oatsy. The Iceman, a 53 hundred year old mummified corpse discovered in the Alps in 1991. Who wore a calf skin pouch tied with a leather belt to fanny pack. And a fucking leather one too. How about it, man, there's a fancy brother right there up there in the Alps. They have frozen mummies. Well, mummified just means you haven't decayed, right? So like your body is still intact. Now the mummification process in Egypt was like they would do all this embalming and wrapping you in these things so that you wouldn't decay. But in the Nordic territories are up where there's a lot of fucking ice. You don't need to do any process. You just freeze and you stick them in the your mummified that way. Thank you for the history lesson Jason. I'm kind of making that all up. That's the way I interpret it. 92% let's go. It's close enough. It's not a 2% close for sure. We went from 56 hundred years. Is that what it said? 56 hundred years ago with an iceman in the Oatsy region. 53. 53 hundred years. And now we have gotten a stony clover lanes. Clear plastic pouch. With gold. Look at us now. Look at us now. Zippers. Ooh. A shop stony clover lane at the Kelsey Clubhouse. Now before the style sells out. Last reminder. The new Heights tailgate presented by Nike is back in the Kansas City area this weekend. On Sunday, October 18th will be an errorhead stadium in lot. The tailgate is free for all game day ticket holders. Gates opened from 11 a.m. to 3 p.m. giving the 92% plenty of time to enjoy free food. Exclusive merch. Games. Challenges. A live DJ. A photo wall. An exclusive look at Jake looking at his phone. And so much more before kickoff. For additional info on past tailgates and the schools of details. On what's happening on October 18th. Check out out of the house page on the Kelsey Clubhouse. That's it for new news brought to you by Nike. What else should we do at the tailgate? Last year at the Eagles tailgate. We did belly bucking. What's something we could do? Ooh. Make it. I don't know. I don't know. I think you'd find some some good belly buckers out here at Kansas City. You know what? It's always funny is the fucking mechanical bulls, man. Oh, that's some mechanical bulls. That'd be great. That also be a liability that I don't think new heights is willing to take on. No. There's no liability with that. They have them like carnivals and the PBR. There's a bar downtown that has it. They have them everywhere. What do you think of a frog races? Put jerseys on frogs and have them race and everybody can bet on them. As we're doing. That's probably a legal. Pig race might be. That might be a banger. We can paint. There's a lot of numbers on it. You can create hungry. Yeah. I mean, it's a big bull right there now. All right now. Might be the biggest one, baby. All right now. Have everybody like punch a ticket. Not necessarily bet on them. But you could win some free merch. I mean, let's just bet on it. Let's just bet on it. I think that's illegal. That's why. That's what that's one hundred percent. A certified gaming commission type. No, but I think you can. I think you can. I think you can do the whole like punch a ticket and you could win prizes. Like you don't have to bet on them. You can win prizes. If you're if you're frog wins, you get put into a raffle. There you go. Now we're talking. There you go. Now we're still might be gaming committee. I think this is very illegal. Can we get a can we get assistance on this brand? And is any of this legal? Just immediately you've been listening, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm looking up the live pig racing in Missouri. Google says no, you cannot legally gamble on pig racing in Missouri. So we got to take this across state lines, maybe. Well, I don't think the racing issue isn't the issue. It's the gambling. That's the issue, Brandon. Okay, you know what? I'll take over this AI section for now. I knew it was just going to be. You know, I got I got other shit to do today. I don't need this. I don't. Yeah, no, go ahead. You go ahead. You go ahead and have fun today. I got shit. No, Brandon. Come back. Come back. We're to race frogs. Jason, say you're sorry. Hey, I was taking the time on this one. Oh, is it harder than I was. He's back. He's back. He's back. He's back. It's not harder for me. Go ahead. Go ahead. It's not even harder for me. It's just harder for AI. Hey, I just got his face lights up. That's epic. Pretty cool. Is that a cosco pull? No, Tom. It's a home depot or lows. What? You can find some on the front porch right now. Jason, have fun. Hi. Good luck. Sweet. During that, I just pulled a Raphael Paul Merrill. It's pretty legit. Sweet. Look at that fucking stash, dude. Should they win? Should they win cards? Should we buy a bunch of boxes of cards? I mean, we don't have to buy them. I got them. Wait. I just go out of the house. I'll just take it. Well, what's better? Pig racing or frog racing? Brandon, can you show us some videos of pig races and frog races? Swifty is wine racing and swimming pig. God, Lee, that's hilarious. I mean, there's so many. They're swifty. There's a swine racing. We get their hogs. So like. Often's alignment are commonly referred to as hogs. Uh-huh. I think this is a no brain. This is pretty good. We got to get some some pig races. We got it. We got a week to go. I didn't even know big sis swim. That's what I'm saying. Watch this thing. We got it in. Jump in. It cocks itself loads. Oh my god. That thing was sliding. Do we got to get a longer pool? Brandon, what are the chances we can get pig racing at the tailgate this weekend? If you're in the Kansas City area and you're a cheese fan and you have pigs. It's fucking figured out. All me. I'll just figure it out. Whoever brings in the fastest pig. Do they win a prize as well? They're going to be juicing these pigs up. Do they make CC ones for toddlers? Because I think that would be about the size. Okay. I'm talking directly to Caitlin Clark. I know you watch the CC. He sent us to pick shoes, send us shoes for big, how's the look out front? Did you get it, did you hang nothing up yet? I got a swinging guy, I got a figure out, I got a lot of shit going on. Don't, this is Halloween's my favorite time of year, awesome, stressed out. We have talked about it. You like Halloween more than Christmas? Yeah. What's the best Halloween song? I mean, thriller, monster mash, yeah, those are two obvious. I'm trying, I'm trying to think of some obscure shit. I love monster mash. I know, but it's just like over, I mean, you know what I'm saying? I don't know what it is, actually, it's from 30 Rock, it's We're Wolf Bar Mitzvah. I don't remember that one. He remembers the Tracy Jordan novelty song. It's We're Wolf Bar Mitzvah, that's the answer. Has Taylor ever made a Halloween song? Has she ever ventured into the scary territory, Travis? I don't believe so, Jason. Folklore was kind of like her kind of in the woods, very fall coated. Oh, Ghostbusters. Oh, dude, I was watching that last night. Ghostbusters. Have you ever listened to the song, like, well, you actually listen to it as an adult? No. Sure. That's good. Yeah, but do you know the innuendos that are riddled throughout it? They'll go ahead. No. Yeah. Just busted make you feel good, Jason. That's kind of what I'm talking about. Oh, you think that's slid over my head? You're like, it's over my head. It's a kid. I didn't know what he was talking about. Was a child. I do. What's up, Sam? Mom, I love Bustin though. Yeah, all right. Bustin makes me feel good. No way, it says that. It's my favorite part of the song, dude, it's my favorite part of the song. All right. All right, out of the house is brought to you by Nissan. Travis was back in Cleveland chasing the ADLA ALDS for Game 5. Travis, what was October baseball like up in Cleveland, Ohio? Man, it was absolutely electric. As it always is, man, Cleveland always shows up for the guards, man. Ever since the 90s, when we were kids, man, Cleveland's always been a baseball town, man. Yeah, it's just been, they've always desired playoff, October baseball, and I remember watching a lot of them on TV when I was younger. Finally, got to get to one with dad back when 2016, I believe, when the last time we were in the World Series, and sure enough, man, this last one, this game five of the ALDS was so electric. Everybody was just sitting there waiting for the guards to, you know, find a way to go up and sure enough, Jose Ramirez comes up big, takes a ball from what feels like his ankles and throws it over the wall and man, it was, it was, it was just, it was electric, man. The whole stadium felt like it was rattling with excitement, and in our pitch, it just took care of him from there. Well, we got a video of, it looks like you celebrating Jose Ramirez's home run. Let's take a look at this. It's, it's, oh my gosh, it's me up in the owner's suite with the blitz of family. That's awesome. With my guy, Robbie Lou Richa, and, um, and Rhodes McKee, obviously you see patty bake sneak in the, the whole, the Dolans are up a slapping hands and giving high fives. My guy, David Blitzer, who gave me the opportunity comes down, gave me a big old fucking, big old fucking high five and a hug, man, it's just, it was, it was, it was so much fun, man. So much fun. It's, I can't tell you how much I'm, I missed just being around my friends and family from Cleveland and being able to do this and, uh, and cheer on the guards and October was absolutely electrically anything else you want to talk about from, uh, your time and Cleveland? No, baby. We got the, uh, the second game tonight of the ALCS and, uh, and I'm pumped to see the guards get after it. Parker Messick has been pitching amazing, uh, all year and sure enough, he's going to have a quite a test against these rays, man, I know they're going to come out hungry. So go guards, baby, Jason playing rugby in London. That's right. How about this, man, dude, do you remember having the rugby ball laying around the house going up? I do. I remember even going to, um, I remember going to a field to go watch dad or dad's teammates play. I don't know if he was done or if he was still there. I would assume he was probably done by the time I never, don't remember him playing it all. You know, I mean, I do remember messing around with the rugby ball a little bit. I do remember, uh, you know, him teaching us a little bit about it, but certainly not enough to go out and play a game, so I got some advice out in the West Coast. I went to visit alone a mar friend of ours, uh, especially a friend of Kylie and I and our time over in Paris at the Olympics as well as since then she came to the shore this year to support because autism foundation. Oh, yeah. So she gave me an introduction of basic rules, technique fundamentals, then went over to London and met with Joe Marlor, a legendary prop for the English national team. Yeah. We got to show a picture of this fucking hall picture doesn't do a just to see the man. He is a big sunbitch. He is a manly fucking dude. Can you give us a picture of this guy? Look at this dude. Look at this dude zero nine zero. Oh my god. Yes. Yes. Fuck you would just think that guy could, I mean, put him at fucking just all quads. All quads transcend back. He asked me to position you play in the NFL or football and I said, oh, you'd probably be either alignment or a line of D line. You'd be one of those two spots, but yeah, you're, dude, you're moving the line of scrimmage for sure. Yeah. Joe gave me and both some last minute pointers when we were over in London, right before he went out and played a little kind of practice rugby match. It was actually awesome. We got to play feel what it was like. The old shrytonians were the ones that allowed us to play for them. They got to set up in the kits and everything. And we played against Hackney where it was, dude, it was very hard to understand when to go into the rut to initiate it when not to when I was allowed to grab the ball. I had to go through the gate. I fucked that up at one point, maintaining the line and the positioning and it's more of a free-flowing game. Like you're kind of just fine in the spot to move in and it was, it was challenging to say the least. Yeah. I got tired very quickly and was absolutely useless. But it was a complete blast. And I think the sport itself, you really understand why it's such a tight knit group. If that makes sense, like, when you think about rugby, obviously the sport itself, but you also think about like, the guy's hanging out afterwards, like, that's what dad played, right? He played with a bunch of his friends and they would go to the pub afterwards and they drink a bunch of beer together and they just hang out and they became really close. And when you're playing the sport, it becomes really apparent how much you're all in this together. Like you often maintain the line and you pick up for each other and like, I make a tackle and it's another guy's job to get in there and try and get through the gate to go get the ball and it's another guy's job in the opposing team to once his player gets tackled, to clear the rock so that somebody else could pick up the ball and it's a very free-flowing, amorphic kind of game where everybody's really working together in a very cohesive way. And you're reliant on the guys next year. You have the big guys, your forwards that are required to make sure you're holding that line in advance. You have your fast guys on the outside. You're trying to get the ball to break free through a lane that they see. It was something that I think actually having, never having played the sport, playing it. There's an amount of respect even further after playing the game and how tough it was physically, conditioning wise, how hard it was to really know how to play it and where to fit in. It was a blast, man. I could not say enough good things about it and it's everything that I kind of was hoping to get out of it and more. So, yeah. Hell yeah, man. Well, we got some playing footage, big guy and I think you might have already gone viral for laying the fucking headstick on somebody. See, this was early before I got tired. This was like, really, I think he wanted to test me. He wanted to see if I get what I was going to do. Yeah. Which is the respect. Bro, the moment I hit him, you'll hear it. He starts like slapping. He says, oh, big hit there. Yeah. We like that. He ready. And I was like, what the fuck? Haha. This dude's a bad shit. Crazy. I love it. Exactly. Oh, yeah. Oh, what's it? Slap me on the top of my head afterwards. If they visit, you don't see it, but he was, he was all over it. He was loving it. So it was a blast. This is a good shit. I also got stiff armed bad. I was going in for a tackle, boom, right to the ground. And when we were shaking hands afterwards, he was like, I got you on the one. I'm like, it's good shit. Oh, man, that's awesome, dude. I love that you got out there, man. And I'm not going to lie. Dude, you look like you fit right in with the beard and the fucking shorts and the look at the quads still firing. Totally electric. I'm glad you got out there. How about a man hopping over the pond to play some fucking rugby with the boys, man? That's absolutely electric. - You hit the pub afterwards. - Of course. - Of course. - And hit the pub afterwards. Had to sing our debutant songs for our rookie songs, just like in the NFL guys who go up and sing. They made me and Bo get up in front of everybody and sing at the pub and what'd you go with? - What do you think I want with? - We got to get another one. - I know, I wanted to have another one. - I don't think you're trying. I think you're-- - I wanted to sing another one in the street. - I just don't know, here's the problem. I don't know enough songs. - I thought off the rip that can do all of the lyrics that are good to sing in a pub. You know what I mean? - Sounds like you just gotta go with ghostbusters. (laughing) - Bustin' neck riffin'. - You got that, you got that part down. - I hate to hate no ghost. - Thank you. (laughing) - Dude, this is so good. - He's not the ghost. (laughing) - Is he talking about ghosts? - I don't know if he's talking about ghosts. - All right, let's go. - I feel like he had another song written and like, "Hey, can you write this song about ghostbusters?" I was like, "Oh man, I don't want to write a holding song." 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Still some areas of improvement on some of the blitzes and some of the looks, but I thought Jalen looked a lot more comfortable assigning protections and throwing the ball and getting rid of it. At one point in the first half, I think he had picked up like a third and eight, a third and a 10, a third and a 10. It felt like they were better in that category than they've been the previous two weeks, which is good. And listen, I mean, you never want to make excuses. They're playing with literally their fourth string center. Their third string center is now playing left guard. Their second string center is hurt. And their first string center is now playing for the Baltimore Ravens of CamJurget. So, you know, they're playing with a rookie right tackle. Top two running backs are out. Their top receivers out. The fact that this was a game, I think from Philadelphia was-- - The Jackson, no slouts. - No, that's your thing. Jacksonville is a very good team. I like Jacksonville a lot, despite what their fans may think after that broadcast. Huge fan of that Jackson team. - This is a man that defends the front. - Trevor Lawrence is a fucking dog. - Leah Goldberg. - He got some ball players. - Yeah. - And yeah, I mean, you look at some of the struggles that the bucks have been having over the years. Liam Cohen, how much success he's been having since he's left there. - Parker Washington, Basel Tutton. They have a great squad there. And I think, like, no, I always go in with the Eagles. Like, okay, hoping they win. I was not confident going into that one. I thought the defense, maybe they can play well, which they did. But I think overall, obviously, you know, we had a chance to win the game in some of the last minute stuff. Unfortunately, the Eagles not winning. Jacksonville played a heck of a game and especially right down at the end of it. But the O-line, even though they weren't able to really run the ball very well. Listen, you're playing with all those backers. I thought Willie Lampkin could get a great check. - I was just going to say it is so fucking fun watching Willie Lampkin play football, man. Seeing a guy of that size be able to roll the fucking big fatty out of the fucking hole, man. It is some, it's electric now, man. It's electric. - And he had some plays, you know, just like Jake Majors, the starting center. - Oh, man, come on, baby. - I thought those guys battled, man. I thought they played hard. I thought Jalen again, you know, obviously didn't have a great second half. None of the offense did. But when it mattered most, he got the ball down there and they were in a position to win the game. So that's one thing that Jalen does really well is he moves the ball at the end of it to put his team in a chance to win the game. - He does do a great job in managing into the games, but that is where the controversy at least comes up at the end of this one. Eagles kick, go ahead, feel gold to go up 17, 16. But the Jags have eight seconds left. You made a great point on the actual call after the entire game and everything about the team out. - Yeah, so initially, and I have not talked anything about the Eagles. I really do think that they were talking about, they were thinking about that Baltimore Dallas game because it was the exact same situation. - Exactly, scenario, yeah. Where Dallas kicks the go ahead or kicks the tie. - Seconds the other one is nine seconds or yeah. - I thought they were both eight. Maybe it was eight now, but I think it was eight and eight. And it's like the exact same scenario. And in that scenario with Baltimore Dallas, they were able to throw the ball, call a time out, and then kick the field, go to win it. So immediately I thought, okay, we don't want them to be able to, we want them to burn some of this time. We want them to burn some of this time. But what I did not look at was the fact that Jacksonville didn't have a time out. So I do think, in hindsight, kicking through the end zone and making them throw a ball out of bounds to move it a little bit closer to try a Hail Mary, doubtful that they're able to throw a ball, get out of bounds, and then kick a field goal. - That's the other thing is that you could still find a way. They're still a percentage. It's a very low percentage because of the style of defense you would probably play in that scenario. - But there is still, yeah, you would still have a chance to be able to, even if you did kick it out of bounds, you have eight seconds to get the ball across the 50 and out of bounds. That is still a scenario that could happen. It is very unlikely because the defense would be in some sort of sideline pre-vent defense. That is they would make sure they have somebody all up and down the sidelines. All the bodies up and down the sidelines to be able to stop them from stopping the clock in that situation. There's so many different scenarios where there is still possibility of chance either way. - And they had also, I think the other part of it is, they had also allowed a kickoff return. That was a big kickoff return earlier than they should have been touched down and got called back. There had been leakage on the kickoff return team already in the game. But regardless, that one feels to me like the, it was just a crazy thing that happened there. Could it have been better if you could do the end zone? I think so, but like, it's not, that one seems to be less, especially by the people that actually know what they're talking about, like analytics people and whatnot. That one wasn't the big deal. I think the big deal is like, just giving them the ball back to begin with. When Dallas got her, caught the ball in that two minute drive, the moment they had a chance to kick a one, a 51 yard field goal to end it, I don't think that they should have been passing right away, right? Like, if you run the ball there, you end it with the field goal. Now, they wanted to get closer. They weren't as comfortable with 51. They're like, We know we're in range here, but we'd like to make it a little bit easier for Jake, so they threw it on first the second down first down He almost do it. I mean, it was almost a pick and then the second down one is caught by Mackay. So I think there's two coaching points at one You tell Mackay Lemon when he catches that ball the next time When you run up to that plate. Okay, if you want to get a closer. I understand you want to make it easier for Jake But the moment he catches that ball, he's got to get down. He can't go out of bounds Right, you got to catch down and you're only gaining three or four yards at that point So I don't know that it's not much to try that But the bigger thing to me is if you're gonna try and move it a little bit closer before the end of the game The first place should have been a run Because Jacksville only had one time out left make them burn that time out up front So you know where you sit for second and third down. All right, we burn the time out all right second down Let's try and get a little bit closer here If it works great if it doesn't add third down, we can run it again and we can bleed this thing down and kick the field go to end the game and Live with that that I think With everything in hindsight is feels like the proper way to do it if you even try the pass Yeah, the the pass is just risky to me because there's so many negative things that can happen like you're already there I get you want to move it closer But anyways, a lot easier for me to say for my my chair and the booth and from right here the old Monday morning quarterback I hear you what's frustrating just overall though is I think that you know I think Nick Sireani for the most part with the field of Eagles has been a heck of a game manager That's one of the strengths that he's had. Oh, yeah, and a lot of the times whose calls have been under question and A lot of time well the uns the amount of times a lot of those ones are wrong in my opinion by the fan base These are ones where like he's just had like a couple weeks Unfortunately where there's been like one or two times where it feels like everything's kind of piling on and I think for me It's important to realize like for the most part Nick is actually been really good in these scenarios and he's been a net ad and people don't remember when he goes for it I'm forthown and it works out They don't remember when he throws a slant in four-minute drill and we get a first down like those are the ones where it's like Okay, that one worked out and immediately you don't remember what you definitely remember are the ones where it works out negatively Like these last couple weeks. There's a couple ones that I don't agree with but for the most part Nick's really good in this scenario Throughout his tenure with the Philadelphia. He's got a good feel for it man. He does have a good feel for it Where do the Eagles go from here, dude? I know it feels like the world's falling We almost beat the Rams who a lot of people think are one of the best teams in the NFL who almost just beat the Buffalo Bills You're one of the undefeated left in the season They very they very likely should have won that game right and for not another for another forthown call not going their way They almost be Jacksonville who I think Jacksonville's one of the best teams in the NFL this year Like they have a great quarterback. They have great Playmakers on offense. They have a defense. It's stopping the run better than anybody in the NFL right now. So You know, yeah, are we playing great football right now offensively? No, has the defense struggled? Yeah, they played bad against Chicago But we've also played a ton of really good teams really close and been in positions to win So I still think that the Eagles are really good football team I think they're better than a lot most of the football teams in the NFL especially if they're fully healthy and they can get back to playing Better offense of football. I know everybody wants to think that the world is falling right now And yeah, the last three games have been atrocious in the endings of them But I still think this team has a ton of talent on it Especially you get Devante Smith back saying go on Barclayback You know, you get you know the offensive line gets more reps together to continue to be Better as a unit. I still think that this team could be really really freaking good. I hear you man They're they're literally just a few snaps away from being four and one They got them and they they got the Panthers next week. It's not it gonna be not gonna be easy and another easy test I mean the Panthers are playing great, but I think they lean on that defense Jalen keeps you know managing the offense trying to get Touchdowns when they get in the red zone you know You win a few games all of a sudden You get some momentum things are looking back good. I mean the Eagles have been known to go on a run Like no other man. Hi, that's enough of that. Let's get the man in himself. Who everybody wants to hear from I'm with you Let's get to the rest of week five with coach Mike Tom Hardy our guest today is a second team all Yankee conference wide receiver Will you and Mary former defensive backs coach at the University of Cincinnati you soon He has a two-time Super Bowl champion and was the youngest head coach to win a Super Bowl at the time He was the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers for nineteen years. Yeah, never had a losing season Come on. That's crazy. He made me the greatest Minecraft architect of all time as well If you're a blinker cut your islands off Mike Tomlin is here. Let's go. Man, Jason. I got to put you on a pay roll man That's pretty good I've been working on that one, baby coach. How are we doing? How you liking everything so far? I've been seeing you on Sunday night. You've been killing it. You enjoying it so far man I'm having a ball, man. It's you know, it's part-time work full-time pay Let's go it's still getting to go to the stadium probably feels electric you stepped in and it's just been flawless man It felt like you're you've been meant to be in front of the TV talking football to us football heads, man Did you know he was gonna be this smooth? Did you know they're like you always had this in your back pocket? No, I mean, I've been working at it to be honest with you Dayton backs of the spring once I got into agreement with NBC It was right doing NBA playoffs and so I would go to the NBA playoff games and Watch Trico and Reggie Miller and and Mello and T-Mac and those guys events work I was appreciative because they let me in their space and so I got a sense of something what somebody that was about I went to the US open did the same thing. I just tried to you know and to be honest with you man I just start paying attention to it differently You know other people in the space working and stuff like that. So it's been a good process for me, man I hadn't taken it for granted. I want to work at it I just like to work at everything that I do But man, I'm having fun as you mentioned man like when I go to stadiums It's the best just to be in the environment To see friends, you know, the fellowship with football man Like eB and I got a chance to break bread when I was in Kansas City a couple weeks ago Man, it's a beautiful thing. Well, I knew you were gonna kill a coach. I mean, there's no I don't know if there's another coach It's been had more sunbites over the last 20 years Like you just have a knack for saying the right thing. It doesn't come out all these like clichés or whatnot It's original. It's creative. It's motivational. It can be funny. I mean, I had a feeling of it And I got to talk about the big runner Is this this has always been a thing? Is this real? Hey, um prior to him being in Baltimore. I would call him by name Okay And it's like Ohio State and Michigan. It's like your team up north You know, there you go. Can't even say the name. I had said that. Dude's name. I can't I can't say his name It was a way of making a point To my football team. I significant this dude's presence was going to be in this rivalry, you know And so always had appreciation for the Ohio State Michigan rivalry And so I really kind of stole it from from that. That's too fun To all the 92% is that don't know what we're talking about. Coach Tomlin just did The call on the Ravens of Falcons game Yeah, I agree like doing stuff like that makes it it seeds it in guys heads You know, I mean we used to call a stout used to call it the hook like you would add like a little something on the end of it If you wanted you to remember it a little bit more So I think that's in genius coach. Let's talk week five. Yeah, do you miss uh the tube of shit Do you know what we're talking about? So I'm afraid he has a story where uh you called him when he got hired and asked him how he likes that tube of shit that he'd never stop slowing Yeah, that tube of shit that he never stops flowing now that he's a head coach I just I just want to be real with him, man I just want to let him know what was around the corner Come on baby. I don't miss it Not the tube not the tube. I'm sure you missed other parts of it, but definitely not the tube I miss the brotherhood of men, man You you cannot you cannot fake that man to be around guys in the intimate way that we are in the football business particularly at the highest level the urgency What it does to us the way we get challenged It's just a beautiful thing and um I will always miss that But certainly there's other components to the J.O.B. Man did I do that Love it what jesus getting some shit for uh for his eagles bias in the booth Have you been getting any problems with coming off like your your favorite in the Steelers at all to be honest Which I don't care if I do man like How could you be somewhere 19 years man and had a personal Really a personal stake in and most of those guys being there and not care for him not root for him not be for him I'm not going I'm not going to pretend that I'm not I just I can't do that certainly I got a job to do and I'm going to do it But everybody knows where my heart is and where my support is and I'm not apologize for that nice there you go That's one thing that really stands out with me outside of the sound bites your success on the field All the guys I know that played for you genuinely loved you as a head coach as their coach where there was Alejandra Villanueva, Marquis Poundsy, Cam Hayward. Like, all of these guys talk about the way you held them accountable, the way you coach them in the meeting rooms, what you taught them, not just as football player, but as men, like, did you always have this way about you with people, like, is that what you think your super power was as a coach? - I believe so, but it's just something because, you know how it is, we do because we were inspired. And when I was growing up, man, the most respected men in my community were coaches. Like, whatever, and then football coaches, track coaches, basketball coaches, man, they were the most stand-up people to me, they were men's men. And I just wanted to be like those guys and inspire young men. And so, that was really my intention when I got into the profession. I really, you know, I didn't have a aspirations of coaching in the league. I didn't play a snap in the league. I wasn't aware of the league. And so, really, it was about working with young men or college athletes. And I kind of ended up in the professional ranks. But when I got into professional ranks, I just refused to change my approach. I think a lot of athletes, man, when they get to the top of the food chain, people say they changed when everybody around them gets a little different. And so, I just wanted to treat them the same way they were always treated, man, I wanted to pour into them, not only from a football standpoint, but from a personal standpoint, meet them where they are, help them in their non-football lives. I just think coaching is about that. It's about not only getting the best out of an athlete and different people need different things, but it's also helping them in every component of their lives. If we're gonna have unique outcomes, man, we can't have these cookie-cutter relationships. - I love it. I love it. - And all of that just oozes out of you coach. I remember meeting you for the first time. It felt like I had known you forever. And it was during the combine. - Yeah. - I had an official, I had an official, so we were in one of the hotel rooms and we're going over film. And I remember there's not a lot of light in those hotel rooms, but there's always the one wall light. And for whatever reason, you put Mean Joe Green right under that light. And it just felt like I was being intimidated. It's like, did you put him back there to intimidate guys? - By design. (laughing) Seriously, first of all, you're not a real football guy if you didn't recognize who that was. - That's what I'm saying, yeah, I hear you. - You did recognize who it was, then it certainly was a component of intimidation. - I remember it perfectly. You walked out of the room and I was like, "Man, there's a little bit of a risky edge to that guy, "but I want a piece of that." (laughing) - I was like, man, that guy could go either way, man, but that's what you're looking for, man. And I walked out of there like, man, I know I grew up in Cleveland, but I mean, it'd kind of be pretty dope to be a steal underneath that guy as a head coach, man. - Man, I remember it like it's yesterday. It's just funny, man. Some of those things that get stuck in our mind, man. - It's the best, man. I appreciate your coach. - Well, let's go over a little bit more for week five. How about that? We haven't had that many coaches on the show. Can we talk some football stuff and decision-making from this past week? There's a number of things that have happened. - So much. - Let's go watch our week, man. - It was crazy. - Crazy. - Let's talk Giants Commanders ending here, all right? Commanders obviously let the clock expire in OT. Have a chance to get your field goal. Who's it fall in your mind here? - Everyone. (laughing) - It's so crazy. It's so being in a building and going over situational football just blows my mind that this could even happen. And you touched on it on Sunday night the other day, but it's just, it's so crazy. The communication, everybody's over-communicating what should be going on. And it just didn't seem like anybody was on the right, on the same page. - I think that's what's most interesting about it. Man, it's almost over-communicated when you get in those circumstances. It's chatter. People that don't normally talk, everybody's all of a sudden talking. And so we'll never know. And I said this Sunday night, we'll never know kind of what really transpired. People said what they needed to say and all of that. And certainly it's a collective failure, man. I hate it for those guys. Matt Dan Quinn, man, is a good friend of mine, man. We were friends with nobody new, either one of our names. My last year in college football was his first year in coaching. And he was a young assistant at William & Mary. I was, I was 22, he was 23. And I knew I wanted to get in the coaching. And so, man, I hung out with him. I'm like, man, what's coaching like? You know? - Wow, that's good. - And all of this stuff, we became boys, okay? And it goes further. - You just never know. - As soon as the season was over, he got a job at Virginia Military Institute. And I was still in school. I had another semester of school. Man, he recommended me, and I got my first job. We worked together at VMI. - Go away. - And so me and this dude go back, man, to the very infancy of our careers. And so, man, I was sick for him. But it was just crazy to watch it because it just, it's almost, it's almost baffling how it could occur because it's just so many potential checks and balances in terms of communication and communication opportunity for a lot of people that is crazy that it happened. - Right. I've tried the only thing that makes sense is that they thought they had another time out, right? Like, I don't understand how else would have happened. Like, it's like, we don't need that. - Right, I know, let's get into one of the best soundbites. - Listen, the only thing that I'm glad it happened, it was that we got a mic time and a soundbite out of this. You said I'm trying to have football. - I described it as disgusting. Like, I was disgusted by the scalable fumble. I threw up in my mouth a little bit at the end of the game. - Because you know how it is, man. With two teams like that are fighting their tails off, man. You just, you don't want the game to be decided by officiating. You want the game to be decided by dudes rising up and smiling in the face of adversity and making plays and just talent on display. You know, that's what you want to see in those moments. So, you know, you don't like to see, you know, fundamental errors like ball security or clockman has been a lack of awareness. It kind of takes the era out of the ultimate, you know, you know, competitive this game. - Absolutely. - That's exactly it. - All right, let's call it coaching play calling duties. All right, Sean Payton takes over calling duties from Davis Webb, takes them back, Miguel Ryan's takes back play calling duties from my guy Matt Burke down there and with the Texans, how did you handle play calling duties? And like, was that ever something you had to give away to take back like, what is that decision making like? - I've done it some over the years. I'll tell you this, any coordinator that works on the side of the ball that's the head coach's area of expertise is subject to that if things aren't going well. You get head jobs because of your expertise and your experience in a certain aspect of the game. And so, if you're not hanging your hat there or where you're hanging your hat, if you're a defense specialist and you're defense and going great like Demiko, that's what you do. If you're an office of specialists like Sean and office and going great, I just think it comes with the territory in terms of when your boss has expertise and experience on that side of the ball, that's what happens. When I got a coordinator opportunity in Minnesota, one of the main reasons I wanted to go to Minnesota 'cause Brad Childress was an office of expert. (audience laughing) - I didn't want to fly with a net, you know what I mean? - I hear you. - I didn't want that backstop. I wanted the responsibility of being that defense expert in the building. And so, that's one of the main reasons why I was excited about about going to Minnesota with Brad. - That's too good, man. Shout out to Chili, man. Shout out to Chili. I got to see him in training time, man. - Yeah, Chili, good time, man. - Chili is the best, man. We got Eagles and Jags ending, I don't know. There's actually two decisions. There's the one on the kickoff that led to the kickoff return and the ensuing field goal. And then it's also kind of the decision making before that to pass the ball a couple of times and not run the clock down and end the game of the field goal. Where do you fall on that one? - I didn't see the sequence in terms of the office of decision making because we got things going on and stuff, we get ready for the show. But I probably have a less popular opinion about the kickoff. I just think there's certain things and NFL football that you cannot run from. You've got to be in the cover kicks. You've got to be in the cover punts. You make decisions over the course of a 12 month calendar how you fill out the back end of your roster. The last running back in the helmet might not be the best running back available. The last tight end in the helmet safety or whatever, those guys are kick coverage people because over the course of a 17 game schedule, man, like they're going to be a situation, man, where you can be back against the wall and the backed up punts and you got to kick that thing and you got to cover it or same thing with the kickoff. And so I see it through that lens. I think Nick said what he was supposed to say and absorbed the responsibility of that 'cause as head coaches, man, that's what we do. But I'm a firm believer in kicking and covering and not running from that. You can't run from everything in the NFL and you certainly can't have high sight 2020. Because somebody busted a kick on you saying, man, I should not have put the ball in play. No, like there's certain things that are non-negotiable. I'm a die on that hill. Man, we're going to be a kick and cover, Junet, because that's football. I hear you, man. I love that. I love that. I was in the booth, coach. I was second guessing it. Back there. This is why you're a head coach. You're convicted, and you know what, Jane? You had a hard time. Come on, baby. Jason, I'll die on that hill, man. Like, you can't run from every fight. Some things you just got to dig your heels in and say, this is how we live, you know? And most of those guys, they're of that mentality that are on those units. They want you to put that ball in play. That's why you do business with them. You all know it. You all have been on teams, man. Them dudes are foaming at the mouth. That's their mentality. And those are the dudes that I like to do business with in that space. I made the point Sunday night, like, I love Kenny Gainwell. Kenny Gainwell is an awesome back. But I fell in love with Kenny Gainwell compete against Philly because that dude might score a touchdown and then cover the kickoff. That's right. You know, and it's guys like that, man, that make this thing beautiful, man. That makes it what it is. And I just think you can't run away from that. And particularly over the course of a 17 game season, man, there's going to be situations where you got to kick and cover. And you can't be scared. You can't give off that vibe. Because the dudes that are running down, man, that's the life they live. Yeah, dude. Goddamn, that's a good answer. Go to the best, man. A couple of weeks ago during the Steelers Browns game, we saw a lot of yelling. There was a lot of yelling between players. There might have been a little bit between players and coaches. We even saw TJ White, who doesn't seem pretty even chill, but he even got on the headset and started getting a little hot, or at least from what it looked like. Where's your stance on the yelling or hostile environment, or how the sideline can kind of get just fired up? I just think football, man, is an emotional game, man. And a lot of the men that competed are that. And I just think it's a natural thing. I think it's probably more interesting and no worthy to the outside world. People like us, man, has been in this thing. Like, you can't run away from tough conversations. I welcome it, it's authentic, it's genuine. As long as it's solution oriented, and I know those guys, like TJ ain't grabbing the headset and going crazy, unless he's looking for solutions to an issue. 'Cause he's just geared toward winning. And how can you hate that, man, if you're about, I tell the guys all the time, man. Like in the pursuit of victory, man, I don't care what good ideas come from. Like, how can you? How can you? You know? And so I, you know, I yarned at it to be quite honest with you, man. I know. The dude's trying to win. It's another day of the office, man. And man, he can't apologize for that, man. I love working with combustible men, man. This is real. Yeah. Coach, you're gonna be more comfortable, man. There's no HR department, man, on the sidelines, man. Ah! Yeah. Oh, man, that's good shit. I couldn't agree more, coach. I actually think, I actually think it's the opposite. It's worse when guys aren't talking. Like that's actually, when you, when you are done as a team, it is when conversations stop. And that is like, I would rather guys fight up and try and rise and like, hey, let's fucking figure this out than all of a sudden doors start closing and people are talking shit over in corners. Like, that's when it's a real issue. I agree with you totally. When you walk down the hall and all the doors are closed, you're dead. Yeah. It was bad, ain't good. Last thing, allegedly, the Cowboys defense had a player's only meeting as a coach. I think you did. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm glad you said that coach, because we've done this same conversation on this show before, right? And it's certainly, and I got nothing but respect, dudes that's been around me. They know I got nothing but respect. Look player leadership and I embrace that and all of that stuff. But that would you have a player's only meeting span? It's never seen that well. So this is, this is my thing is I get that there's a sense in the players only meeting that guys are going to be more real because they there can be some show, I guess, proceed if you're going to do it with the coaches in there or whatever. I just always feel like it always is just a formality that is like, we're going to do the players only meeting because nothing else is fucking work in. And that's going to be the thing that turns around. How about we just have a fucking meeting and have everybody involved in this motherfucker trying to fix this thing? I just, hey, if it did occur, I'd like to not hear about it. The fact that you hear about it is what makes it BS. Exactly. Yeah. [LAUGHTER] If it was authentic and real, then it wouldn't be reported. Exactly. It's all like, so true. I'm not a fan. God damn, I love that. We're on the same side of that one. I love that. Oh, fuck, that was a fucking hilarious. So we got to battle the unbeaten's right now. Did we see the Vikings going five and oh? No. And you know the cool thing about it? You know how it is, man. During the course of a season, you get tested in certain ways. And if you can stay upright in the midst of it, then boy, it's growth. And you know you've got to squad. Man, they've had instability in the quarterback position. It's just in Jefferson unavailable. And they're still five and oh, man. Right. It's a beautiful thing, man. If Murray gets his feet on the ground, and they got Jefferson every week, and you know what I mean? Just to kind of run that gauntlet and less than ideal circumstances, is what makes their undefeated record impressive. It's very different than San Fran. It's probably more growth associated with those guys being undefeated because of the adversity they faced. Coach, what do you think from what Brian Flores has been building there in minutes? Like it is just crazy to me. I've played against it. I've seen the evolution from New England to Miami, where they're like, man, coverage. You're doing all the pick stunts over the line. And now to be doing what they're doing, where it's like all the soft shell, but max blitzes 90% blitz rate. The evolution, I guess, that's happening there. Like it just is crazy to me. I just love the fact that he identified a hill that he wants to die on, man, and eat just their winning. It takes a certain fucking with him. It takes a certain conviction, and particularly when it's irregular or non-traditional, to say, man, we're going to play ball this way. And they do forget what it is. I just respect a guy that's bold enough to have a vision about how they're going to bowl, sell it to the dudes, and then live that life. Because he does not take his foot off the gas. That's what's impressive about it. He's like, this is where I am with it. Flores on my staff for a year after Miami, man. And he and I became really close, man. He bought a house down the street from me and all of that. And I just really appreciate that dude. That is who he is. And so when it's so steeped in that, that's what I love about it. - I love it. - Hell yeah. - Man, that's good shit right there. Coach, you've been so on point with everything, man. God, it's just fun to talk to you, man. (upbeat music) - Thank you to our partner, Nike. - You seen the numbers. You seen the lines. Caitlin Wands didn't just land. They took off. - Both launch colorways sold out within hours. It's proving just how strong the demand is. - And if you've been paying attention to Caitlin Clark, none of that should surprise you. When CC shows up, the people show up. That's just how it goes. - Now let's talk about what just dropped. The midnight fever colorway. This one's personal. 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How crazy was it coming in at 34 like, oh shit, this is who I'm following in this in this organization who has been known as arguably the toughest in terms of like the Steelers, the name, the city, all the above. Man, looking back at it, I acknowledged that it was scary as shit, you know. At the time you want to allow yourself for that to even creep in because most of the time when you get a head coach and opportunity, man, the organization is ready for you because it's sick, you know, they they it's been a lack of success. And most opportunities, and so they're right for the change, whatever the change may be. It was a different scenario for me, and that's probably what made it challenging that it wasn't sick. It was a very stable organization through through two long tenures. And so man, that's a daunting task, man, for for for anyone, certainly for someone that that was in their early to mid 30s, man. But I tell you this, and I mean it, the Roonies, like they were so sure that it made me confident. Like football is their business. They're not successful. Fortune 500 company people that bought a football team. Like generationally, that is their business. And so they had a business model that they that they believed in, particularly as a pertain to the head coach. When I saw how closely my profile was to build hours, then I gained an understanding that that it was very intentional from their perspective. And that just created confidence in me. That's awesome, man. What up? Before the Steelers, obviously worked at Tony Dungee, John Groot, and like, where were your biggest influences being a head coach? Man, I think I grew up in a big way down in Tampa as a as a secondary coach. And certainly, I've been around some some great coaches, man, that have helped me mold, mold me. But but the biggest challenge and the biggest growth as a coach, man, is when you got great players. And I was a secondary coach. I got that job at 28. And I had John Lynch and Rodney Barber in my room. Man, Lynch was a year older than me. That's crazy. Hey, Lynch was at the pro bowl. Okay. When I got the job, I called Lynch on the phone. You know, he's at the pro bowl. He's like, yeah, what do you want? Who are you? We're covered from the university. What's this? Yeah, I just did not want to let those guys down. We had gold jackets in that room and that deepest room, like Derek Brooks and Warren Sapp and Lynch and Barber. And I just think that I just think we challenged players as coaches. But players have no idea how much they challenged coaches. I just refused to let those guys down. Yeah, I wanted to have a certain level of preparedness every day. I wanted to challenge them. I didn't want to be a fanboy. I wanted to challenge and coach John Lynch. But it's kind of uncomfortable when he's got a resume and he's 12 months old. Yeah. And so I grew up and grew up in a big way in Tampa, Florida as a coach because I was around greatness, man. And I gained an understanding of what greatness is about and what it looked like day-to-day from guys like Sapp, Brooks, Lynch, and Barber. So when you were at Cincinnati, who was the head coach? Was that menor? Rick menor. And Jesse was in high school, man. He'd be around the building every day. He was a deep person back. And so I would let him hang out with me and all of that, man. It's a funny football world we in. It's crazy. It's crazy. So Jesse was a G.A. when Travis and I were at Cincinnati. He was holding, he was holding up scout team cards for his QB. In the funny, man. Small world, man. Small way. And honestly, it's crazy to even imagine. I got to, he's one of the best in the league. He's literally his defenses are unbelievable. And you could tell everybody loves him. And it's cool to see. And Rick's up there with him. You know the thing I appreciate, man. Like he was always around. And his old man didn't mind it as a matter of fact, he encouraged it. They had a love affair with football. And they're Jesse's at the top of the food chain. And he's sharing it with with Rick, you know, absolutely. It's cool to see that see that thing come full circle. What father's tagging along with son. And the ways that Jesse used to tag along with his dad, you know, when I worked for his dad, it's just funny. That's cool. And Cincinnati, we walk past his wall all the time. And your face, your head would be up there, John Harbog, Rex Ryan. Was was this all in the same era of time at the University of Cincinnati? What Rick? Absolutely. You know, the thing about it, y'all know Rick, man. He's crazy, okay? But his his love of football is pure. Like he was he's a hard interviewer. If he hired you, damn, and you could coach, like, like you could present, you you you structured, you know, and I just think it's one of those places, man. And it's always, Cincinnati's always been one of those places, man, where you get an opportunity to grow and prove yourself. And it's been an awesome, you know, springboard for a lot of for a lot of people. And just look at the coaches that have come through there. I know. It's crazy. Even in college and the NFL, it's wild to see how many names have come through it. There's no now. Well, it worked out for your coach. You never had a losing season. How about it, man? How in the hell does that happen? Like what what was, how do you not have a losing season? You had no players only meetings. You know, like every you, you know, you start the journey with the agenda being a world champ. And so like that was my agenda. And certainly I fell short a bunch a lot. Um, but damn it, not that far short. Yeah, it wasn't. Yeah. So and I think more than anything, it's about it's about training the collective, the smile and the face of adversity, man. Like we had some, we had some tough times. Man, one year we, we started two and six in the front, on the front nine. And we went six and two on the back nine, you know, I just think that when things are thick, man, you get an opportunity to show who you are as a coach and as a player. And I probably did my best coaching job sometimes when things were thick because I just refused to let go of the rope. And I just refused to allow the men that I work with to let go of the rope. Love the coach. Um, you're still as you talked about this before. You like players that are a little bit on the edge. And no doubt you had a few personalities in Pittsburgh just a few. How did you keep it all together? Like what is what was that like from your perspective? I think it's, I think it's individual personal relationships, man. Um, I think that's the only way that you get the best out of most people, but certainly people that are edgy. Um, people that come from, you know, unstable backgrounds, et cetera of people that lack trust. Um, you got to be real consistent in your behavior and how you deal with them. You got to, they got to know that you, that you give a damn about them as a human. Um, and it's not just in words. Uh, it's more so in action. And so I just try to live that out, man. Like, like, certainly, um, as a head coach or a CEO, man, you deal with a lot of people. But I think oftentimes, man, we use that as a crutch for not having personal individual relationships. And I just pride it myself in, in trying to understand people where they come from, what their hopes and dreams are, what they feel fears are. I just think as a leader, you need that information in order to get the best out of them to challenge them. Different people are challenged in different ways. Some people need and appreciate and want to kick in the butt. Sometimes a kick in the butt doesn't, doesn't work with, with others. I think just knowing them, legitimately knowing them, um, as a main component. And that's something that, that's something that always worked out. I didn't always have, you know, a close intimate relationship with everyone. because it's too size to a relationship and sometimes people just want to be like, "Hey, what's up, Coach?" And I get that. But anybody that was genuinely open to it, "Man, I gave him that." And I've always kind of tried to coach in that spirit. Coach, when did you know that people were really into your Tom Lennysms? We got a bunch of examples here, but was there ever like you said one and people really started laughing or are really latched on to them? You know, I've probably laid to the recognition of it outside of my space, you know, the team. I did it very intentionally for the team. I wanted to own the responsibility of starting to work that. You know, Damien, I'm going to dress the group to start the day. I want everybody to get their tenor from me. I want them to understand what I deemed to be appropriate, maybe that week, but more importantly that day. And so, you know, I wanted to be informational and somewhat entertaining. And so I just started doing it that way in an effort to kind of set the tone for the collective. And then as you break up in the smaller groups, man, I just wanted to make the job of my assistants easier. I didn't want anybody walking around wondering what am I thinking or what's the vibe of the day or how we going about our business today. And when the meetings get a little long because that's a big agenda, you better be somewhat entertaining. You better say something to make people say, "What did he say?" You know what I mean? And so the meeting is 30, 35, 40 minutes, man. I got to deliver something. That's had developed over the years because if I wanted to own the responsibility to set the tone for the day, covering the difficult stuff, laying a framework of what was going to happen and subsequent meetings or what needed to happen on the practice field, then I'm not going, I can't be boring. I got to give them a little something. And sometimes I would thoughtfully say something that's shocking, something that's a little bit inappropriate. Whatever, whatever, because I just wanted them like locked in. We're still squirreling these nuts. That's right, what's that? Two dollars one bone. Yeah. How much of this was like research being done or did they just like come to you? It's a kind of a mixed bag where you were like, "Okay, I like with this one is over here." And sometimes it would just like be an epiphany or something like that. Really it's a mixed bag, you know? Sometimes you could be talking about sensitive subject matter. Hey, I'm looking at you to this week, man, and your work during the course of the week is going to determine who's working and who's in street clothes. Well, you can say, "Yeah, you know, damn." So what you say, "Hey, two dollars one bone." Everybody understands what that means. It's a way of making sometimes difficult conversations more digestible without without lessening what's going on. And so like I just did it in that way and I got it from anywhere and everywhere obviously. I love it. Hi, we're going to do this. You mentioned how much I think one thing that's clear from all the players I know the play for you and here in you today, you have just an amazing relationship with so many of your players. We're going to name a player. We want you to give us your favorite story of that player, all right? All right. All right, let's start with the biggest baddest man I think in the series of James Harrison. Hey, my favorite D-bow story is you guys know we call it D-bow. Yeah. He gets that pick six in the Super Bowl right before halftime and I don't know that people realize but he is down in that in zone. He is down to half over, you know, but he is down. I go out there to get him and he's like flat on his back. I go out there to trainers go out there, man. And I'm like, "Man, D-bow, man, you all right?" He was like, "I'm tired, boss." I'm like, "Man, it's halftime, it's cool." It's just so James Harrison, man, you know. That's so good, man. Yeah, he's got my welcome to the NFL moment. He's one of those guys where he's intimidating but at the same time you have so much respect for him that you always feel his presence on the field no matter where he is, man. The thing that I just say about a man like he's built for football. Like, you can not stop him from going where he wants to go in the football field. You might slow him down momentarily but like, he just, man, like, he's just an ass kicker. It's over. That rip gets set. You're ain't stopping him. You might slow him down momentarily but wherever he's going on the football field, that's where he's going. We had him in the Super Bowl at the tail end of his career in New England and I just remember after the first drive, we get back to the bench and Hala Puliati Vita. I was starting to left tackle because JP was hurt and we're like, "Hey, how's it going over there?" He's like, "Hey, he's strong." And lower body, right? He puts that out in, out on you and starts ripping that thing and starts and the rest of it is below the waist, man. And it's only a matter of time before he gets from A to B. There you go. I got to ask you about one of my tight ends, Darnell Washington. The big dog. Got a Georgia, man. It is so fun to watch him play. You got to get stories. Hey, you know, talking about building relationships, man. Always get out on the road in the spring. I go to pro days. That's my thing. And always take people out to eat the night before. I just, you know, if I'm going to do business with somebody as I said, man, I want to get to know him and Georgia's been one of my spots over the years. And so I took a collection of those guys out to dinner and I made Darnell sit beside me. And, man, he didn't say two words, the home, the home meal. Yes, he's like a quiet guy. Man, he doesn't say a word, you know what I mean? But, but everybody loves him. They, they looked at him for a response. I watched a group dynamics, right? You know, they looked at him for a response. If he's laughing, then it's cool. I just loved, I just loved how, how endearing, how endearing he is, how his teammates felt about him, even though like he didn't have anything to say. And that's who he is. Like he doesn't say much when everybody loves him because there's a spirit about him. He's good people. He's a good teammate. He's hard working. He loves football. Like it's just, it's, he's an interesting study in that way that that he's the quietest guy in the room, but, but people gravitate to him. Does he know he could make probably $15 million a year more by playing left tackle? Like, what is he doing still play it's like, what are we? Because it's electric. He's, he's heard that from me more times than that. My thing is, my thing is, I didn't want to be, I didn't want to be the one responsible for the transition. I'm trying to figure out why it didn't happen at 17. That's a great set. Let's go, uh, Troy Polamolo. Ooh, baby Jesus. Troy is beautiful, man. Like, the thing, the thing I love about Troy is, if you look at his play, you would have no idea of his personality, you know, when his sons were little, man, he'd always have him around. And man, they were, they were terrorists, man. And Troy is just so patient, you know, like Paesios, his oldest boy, I think he's committed the Stanford right now. And those boys have grown up nice, man. They were training camp ballboards in their teenage years and it's funny to watch out, they smoothed it all out. But when they were little, man, they were hell on wheels. And Troy just like, Paesios, please, I'm like, he was so patient, man. And, but that's who he is, man. I used to, I used to laugh because, man, his boys, man, they were, they were, they were real boys. That's, that's so good, man. I got to ask about a guy that you mentioned could be an NFL head coach right now, Ryan Clark. You got some good stuff on Ryan? I do. Uh, you know how I'm always, you know, I'm a truth teller. I just, you know, I just, I respect how short careers are and, and how urgent this business is. And so I just, I, I speak in truth. And sometimes it could be biting. And I might sit in a matter of fact way. But I don't mean any harm by it. I'm just being truthful. The first time I sat down with Ryan Clark, I was like, man, you've been a journeyman. Um, I want to make this a stay for you, man, that you identify as a stealer, man, the rest of your life. And I didn't think anything about it. It was years later before he told me that he was offended that I called him a journeyman. I'm like making a couple of helmets to your basement. but this is gonna be, this is gonna be hell. (all laughing) - Well, whatever you said to him, he clicked, baby, 'cause he, I mean, he's a stealer. That's all I know, man. - Hey, man, he is a stealer, man. Man, you're talking about, like, this guy's like, this guy's like Ryan Clark, man, that make football dangerous, you know? - Yeah. - Like, that dude didn't care about his own well-being. (all laughing) - And that's scary, you know? - No, his highlights, what I mean, highlights, what he wouldn't be able to do in today's football is fucking electric, man. - All gas, no breaks, man. (all laughing) Like, he had a sickle cell trait, then, and we had a big game in Denver, and he wanted to play, and the docs didn't want him to play. And so we had a big meeting in the conference room, and he and his wife, Yonka, come walking in the room, and we're gonna kind of hash it out, and he wants to kind of put together a plan where he could maybe play, maybe a limited number of snaps, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And when they walked in the room, man, I saw the look on his wife's face, and I was just like, bro, you're not playing, you know? But I just think that's what we call the do, man. We need to protect those from themselves, that need to be protected from themselves. And Ryan was just one of those guys, man. Ryan was willing to die for it. But as a leader, you better recognize that, you know? And you better do what's right, and I always wanted to do that. I just, I'll never forget Yonka walking in that room, in the look on her face, man. I want to get out of the room. I'm like, I'm like, I don't want nothing to do with this, I'll. You know the cool thing, man, you know how, you know how football justice is, man, you do what's right. We go win the game. The guy that starts for him, Tyrone Carter, is AFC Defesor Player of the Week. Oh my god, it, man. In a beautiful, like he has a big game, a pick, and all of that. And we won the game, and the guy that played for him was AFC Defesor Player of the Week. Man, if I was Ryan, I would have been coming. You see, Coach, I could have been AFC Player of the Week. So I see you. No Ryan. But, but as y'all can ask his wife, you know, you already know it. You had to make the right decision. I see he's been great. RC was one of the guys that welcomed me to the broadcasts and booths when I went over to Monday night football. And like, you, you could tell the intensity of which he broadcasts. I'm like, I would have loved to play football with this dude right here. Cause like, this dude, he ain't no bullshit. He's all about it. Yeah, this guy's like him that making a dangerous game. Like, like, it was, it was never for playing for him. It was for real. I love that shit. Hold on. Hold on. I got to ask you about Alejandra. I told you before the show. I got to ask you. And Alejandra on the show, Alejandra Villanueva for those of you watching. He said, you're selling yourself short as a head coach and that you should run for president. Just to put that on there before, give us Alejandra Villanueva story for it. Hey, my favorite thing, the mess with, mess with how. Yeah. I'm like, Al, we're done honoring you for your services because when he first came to us, man, I was just enamored by his service, man, you know, you have salute the service and, you know, veteran's day, memorial day, you know, just, I didn't let any of them days pass by without acknowledging that, hey, we got a guy sitting in here, man. Yes. That's got to come in. That we don't know any damn thing about, man, like, all you can do is appreciate it. But after he was there for a while, I'm like, Al, we're done honoring you for your service. He just thought that was the funniest thing ever. That's a good shit, maybe. It's so good. We got one more segment for you, big guy. We can get you out of here, man. This has been too much fucking fun. It's called, we got to ask, you don't got to answer, you tell us the kick rocks, but we got to ask. All right. First one I got for you is a 2022 AFC wild card game, Steelers at Chiefs, Chiefs are up 20. What is this? Oh, man. Well, no, I can't ask this. James, you got to ask this. Sorry, 22 22 AFC wild card game Steelers or Chiefs, Chiefs up 21 at the start of the fourth quarter. Chiefs run a trip. Play with Travis throwing a touchdown pass. This is the bull. It's just a move. I don't know. Tell me. And no, man, it's not their responsibility to keep the score down, like, I have never been sensitive in that way, man, like, I understand some people are, but for me, like, I never wanted to hold somebody else responsible for me stopping them, like, like, I've been compete against Andy, man, since I was in my 20s. I was in Tampa, he was in Philly, like, like, I know the red zone creativity, man, I just, I know, I know you better stop the shovel. Don't get beat to the flat, et cetera, like, and so, like, that was very much in character and, and, and the score of the game is irrelevant, man, I'm responsible for keeping the game competitive. All right. I want to ask you one that's a better memory for you, probably, when we were playing you guys with TJ, you guys were in this fucking defense where TJ would get up and he would be like a Roman monster and we were, we put so much time into like, is he going to fit in the A gap? Is he going to end up on the edge? And every week it'd be something like, I want to know just as a football person, was this structured or was this like, hey, TJ, just go fucking do whatever you want or was this formation dependent? Like, how did you guys get to running that? And what was it? It was both. It was called Rover, first of all, and when you got a special guy, man, you got to give them the latitude, they're like artists, like, like, some things they do, they can't articulate. They do it like breathing, and I just learn long ago that that you don't, you know, you don't put restrictions on that, man, you try to create a space where, where that happens organically. And so he's just an example of that. The Rover structure that you're talking about, but it was the same thing with Troy Palomalu man. That's what it sounds like. Just a different, a different form of it, but the same thing going like, you know, man, we got a guy like that, like, man, the, take the handcuffs off of a man. Like, to me, like, that, that, that rigid coaching, that uncompromising coaching, it, you know, I don't view it as the best coaching. Like, like, man, you look at the tools that you have to work with, and then you make plans accordingly. And when those tools are special, man, man, that's, that's not, that's not a challenge. That's an opportunity. So, man, it's cool to create opportunity for, for guys like that, man, to put their, their instincts, their talents, their feel for the game and stuff on display. Well, it used to drive us nuts, coach, because I, I, we'd be sitting there, we'd be running, we, you draw up all the runs for the week, and you know what, okay, if it's an underfront we're doing this, if it's, if it's an overfront, we're doing this and if it's the week rotation, we're doing that. And then this, we'd have to spend so much time on this T.J. walk package, he's like, I don't know what this fucking front is. I don't know where he's going. What's happening? Then the wheel's unblocked because he ends up on the week side one time. Then he ends up strong and the safety's unblocked. It would, it would give us a ton of issues, especially the short yarded version of it. But, yeah. I'll tell you this, man, I learned that flexibility as a very young coach, man, like we're in Tampa, and we got semi and rice, man, and he's an open side edge rusher, man, he's the best on the planet at the time. He is an absolute monster, you know, sometimes, man, he might end up in the C gap, sometimes he might end up in the B gap or whatever in terms of where runs the show. Like I'm, I'm the secondary coach, I'm like, I don't care where, what gap he is up in, we'll cover him. We'll make him like, yeah, yeah, like we'll cover him because what he has, we can't coach man. Like, I don't care what gap he plays, man, let you, let you be the down safety. I'm like, let you, if he is up in the B, play the C, if he's in the C, you play the B, but do not mess with that guy, man, because he's, he's laying the quarterback down 16 times a year, man, and he's the best cover guy we got, you know what I mean, and that's what I mean when I was talking about earlier, like when you around great players, like it's challenging as a coach, man, the growth associated, associated with being around great players, man, is a beautiful thing. Don't talk about it enough, you know, we talk about how players learn from coaches, man, when you got great players, man, you grow as a coach, man, number one, because you don't want to let them down, but number two, they do things that others don't, and the challenge is how do you teach others to do it, you know what I mean? Absolutely. Yes. We got one more question for you. We asked everybody, what was your welcome to the NFL moment coach? Hey, the very first preseason game I coached as a secondary coach, man, we played in Miami dolphins, man, we lost the game on the Hill Mary. Oh, my gosh, the very first game, the very first game we lost on the Hill Mary, like a legitimate Hill Mary last play of the game is the first preseason game. But the funny thing I was new to the league, man, I was shocked, I had just rolled off for everybody else's back, I was devastated, you know what I'm saying, yeah, but playing it so serious. Bro, you know what I mean? I spent so much time to get there, you did everything is called man to finally be in the NFL. Yeah, I was devastated, man, Tony Duggy was my boss, I don't even think he even meant did man. We just like, oh, game's over. I was crushed when I sat my car in the parking lot for about 15 minutes, you know, end up like this. This ain't what it's supposed to be like. This is crazy. Man, that's too good. Coach, we can't thank you enough, man. This has been awesome. You're one-to-one person, one-to-one coach, incredible career. So excited to keep watching. You want Sunday, do your thing over there on NBC. Appreciate you so much as the old ball coach and as a person. Thanks for hopping on the show. Yeah, appreciate the time and the stories, man. No, man, it's an honor to be with you guys, man. I just, I got one brother, man. And that's my brother. And I just love the brother component of what you guys do and how you do it. I got two sons. They're 13 months apart. And man, they're thickest these, man. I just, I love watching y'all do what y'all do and how you do it. You do it together. That resonates with me, man. Y'all keep doing it. All right. You know, a coach. You got a coach. You know, bro, take care. Thank you, George. Partner Royal Caribbean. So we've been talking about Royal Caribbean's legend of the seas, the biggest vacation sailing out of Fort Lauderdale this November. What about the ultimate family townhouse? Bro, it's three stories. 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If we ever have coaching questions, should we just get coach back on? I feel like coach Tomlin be. And that's our best senior analyst of senior analysts of just football or coaching or people. I think Mike would be a good choice. Listen, if he's. I'm on. You already know. We got to get more and more. That was absolutely epic. I didn't want the conversation to stop, but that is going to stop. It's because that's it for both topics brought to you by Pepsi. Let's get you a little top 10. The heights top 10 is brought to you by raisin cane. Oh, that's my top graves. Yeah, that's my guy. Todd Graves and that delicious fried chicken. Hopefully Brandon this time can limit it to plays and not highlight reels. I don't know why you picking at me this week. I don't know what I've done in just I don't know why we pick each other. This is what we do. Football weekend. And I know, but Jason Kelsey and you're just up my ass. Texas did. Texas. This is what we do. We just make fun of each other's what guys do. No, there's it's locker room talk. locker room talk. Yeah, yeah, you know, you get it. And to be fair, this is coming from we do it out of love. We do it. I love this one. This one's just. Join the join the, join the love club. Yeah, no, Travis, you don't get to say it. You're fucking. I don't hear from you. All right. What? What's everybody? I got everybody in Duval County. Fucking mad at me. And I'm like, I was cheering up for the watch. I said my face. The fuck's up. I was doing my fat everybody in pit screaming at me because we weren't nice enough to their volleyball player. Jesus. I grunted. I grunted when you guys were second and 18. Whatever. Let's go. Yeah, let's just go through who's mad at you guys. I got pit volleyball fans mad at me because we didn't address that the fall ball player who like spiked that ball in the girls face last year is like a two-time player of the year. I forgot to mention it. I'm sorry. Pid nailed to pit. That's on me. I made you this little lantern. Oh, that's a nice lantern. All right. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Play. Stop 10. You guys know the rules. You each get a veto blind rank one through 10. Let's get going. We actually had a fan. We had a fan submit. He wants to be part of 10. And this is from Tray. Do it's Kettle. This is from Tray. This is at. At Mr. Z1 PCOD3. Rolls are after tongue. I just peaked in front of my son. What's that? Great play regardless of situation. But the fact that he does it in front of his son. I mean, that's like all time like that. He's gonna remember that forever on how awesome his dad is. He's gonna know that he's got that the bloodline. He just made it get better. That's right. That's right. I'm going. This is without being able to look at another one. This is a top. I go three, three or two. Travel. What do you want to go? I think four. I think four is fair. Four is fair. All right. We're going to keep moving every burn in his child's head forever. All right. Jason, this is your shot at redemption. We're going to go to the Eagles at J. Err. Jags Eagles. You know which play I'm pulling up. Parker Washington. Parker fucking Washington. He's an electric fucking plague. Oh my god. Look at the dice. I've had the head. Electric. The guy is fucking ballin, man. He's a good player, man. That is a tough corner over there, man. That is a tough corner. Yes, it is. Listen, I jumped the call with Dave calling this. Like, I couldn't hold back like, Oh, it was that electric when it happened in person. So I think this is, I'll go two on this one. I don't think I just want to leave one open in case there was another one. Just in case, yeah, they're definitely is. I'll say two. Two is good one. Two. All right. Hopefully, two balls happy with you now. I want to go to Chicago Green Bay, Christian Watson. He's having a hell of a year. I secretly love these fucking Green Bay Unies. Let me show, let me show you the high, the slow motion angle. Jordan loved one on a fucking streak here in this game that was insane. Yeah, it was. Right on top of the head. Oh god. I mean, it's a banger. I'll give it a I'll give it a five before or three. I guess five or three. I mean, that's a really good. I'll let you call five or three. I'll go with five, five, five. I think we got some more juice. I think we got two two top tiers. All right. All right. I'm going to keep moving. Travis little flashback for you. We go to game five. Oh my goodness. A LDS. Now again, we cannot show baseball hits. You guys are going to see a nice little picture of this play, but we're going to go to the Spanish call Jose Ramirez. It's so much better. That dude has so much fun playing baseball, man. It is, it's infectious. Where we rank in Jose, look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Pick that off the ground. God. I mean, it's an insane. They said it was it was 0.74 feet off the ground. Insane. What we going? I mean, for me, this is a three. This is a three. What do you think? I think three is good. He's a solid one. Nice. I love it. He stood out to the Spanish call. Spanish calls always way better. All right. Let's keep it moving to New England. Got afton Chisholm making his second appearance in the top 10 with a little with a little Travis Kelsey magic. Oh, this was solid. This was solid. I like this work. Hey, just got it. I like it. I like it. I like it. Third and 11. No one where the ball players are that you guys got me, but you don't got him. Easy first, baby. You keep it on his upfield shoulder, though, but keep it on his upfield shoulder. You think you got to like, you think you got to throw it back, but really you just got to throw it down the line. Just got to throw it down the line. That way you can keep them running, get them another nice head start. It's good stuff though. It's great stuff. I like where this kids heads at. Where are we ranking it? Did their one or six? We've used all the good ones up. That's the way. Do you think? Do you think it's a called play? I do know. I do know. No. Okay. That's cool. That is not. I love that bottom. Yeah. I like it now. I can give you. I'll give it one. Oh. Wow. I have to. I love it. Good lateral. I'm pro ladderling. Imagine if we did that on every play. Was Afton number one last week too? Let's go five. Let's go five. Let's go five. Let's go five. Yeah. It's going to be like a game where we are in a situation. Yeah. Can I give you a variable quote? He was asked about this play and he said, quote, he's just acting like Kelsey. He's making shit up as he goes. Like this is what we're going to do now. Kids. We're just going to go roll. Okay. He's a ball player. He's a ball player. I love it. I'm going to go to the next one. I feel like if you drink too much Cleveland tap water, it's going to decrease performance too many weeks in a row. So that would make sense that they were showing a little bit being at home for an extended period. Something to water, baby. The tap water in Cleveland tastes good to me. It tastes different. Is that good? Something to water. Look at your man. Yeah, but there's something. I know there's something and I can taste it. There's something. But is there something good or is there something bad? No, it's good. It's good. It's good. It's good. You should not have like too much purified water. You need some pathogens. Come on, baby. You need some. You've got to build up that immune system. What you're, we should do what you're preferred water taste. You have bottled water, the like paper cardboard water, canned water. You have tap water. And then you have hose water. All right. The honest, the honest. Listen. The honest. What's fucking hilarious. I'm going to go. I'm going to go bottled water first. I'm not a, I'm not a box water or carbon. Box water is. Absolutely. Fucking hate. Way down in the bottle. I'll literally like steer away from like no, I'm not thirsty anymore, actually. I'll say this. I think the water out of it. Yeah. Yeah. I'll say this. can taste better. The issue with the can that the bottle has is that you can put the top back on it. Once you open the can, you're kind of stuck with it. But I like a cold can when I put it to my lips and the water goes in, super refreshing. I wish there was a way to re-close it. But so I put bottling can. They got a little bit of bottle tops. They do. They do at the ball, ball parks. That's actually a good salt for sure. So yeah, box waters at the bottom, tap water, then, then bottling can. The thing are we talking to say tap water with talking about hose water. Both tap water and hose water is different than tap water. The thing about hose water is it's tap water. Whenever I'm drinking out of a hose, I am fucking thirsty. I am fucking parched. Typically, probably been outside a long time. The last time I remember doing it, I was probably just getting done running full gasters at Cleveland Heights, high school. So I was gasping for like, I need something to refresh and replenish. And then you drink the, and the water comes out like, you could fucking choke the fuck out of some hose water. And so I feel like you naturally get more of a, like, it's not even just the taste. It's also where you're at mentally and the whole process of it. So what are you just drinking? I'm going bottle, bottle tap can hose cardboard. Are you serious? I'm going, all right, cardboard's at the bottom. Yeah, then I'd probably put tap, then I'd put can in bottle. I'll put them tied it to because I think they both have their places. I think hose water is a clear winner. Like hose water, hose water is like euphoric. Like there's like a, there's a taste that's coming in me that like invigorates my entire body when I'm drinking hose water. And I think you're right. Part of it probably isn't your outside to top. Like you're just a gassers, whatever it is, whatever it is, all I know is I instantly get put into that mode. Anytime I taste the micro plastics and petroleum products that are melting in the summer sun and like infused in that water, the moment it gets into my lips, I'm like, Oh my God, that is good. Oh, if you could bottle hose water and the FDA didn't ban it, I would drink it every day of the week. That would, it's like, it's that's a bag. All right. Well, there's something in the water, man.