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>> Welcome back to me to tailgate the Wednesday edition of the show. I'm your host Tade Frazier. And we had a very fun show NBA final season. We're going to talk about some big storylines in college football. But first and foremost, let's say what's up to our guys in studio Van Lathen. What's up, man? Got to raise it on up. Yeah. Daddy fired up for another episode of tailgate. We all see how that is this time, by the way. Daddy, that's just trying. He's trying to make you feel comfortable. No, that's a thing. Just hope people remember that. That's very kind of van to welcome you into the show because we got Joel Anderson in the Arkansas Pine Bluff T-shirt. What's up, man? To Golden Lions, you know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For the sweat. I don't know why I fucking raise a roof for them. I don't fuck with them. So the university over here, Jaguar. >> Can I ask you about that, man? There were some people talking about your tiger, your roar, your growl. How do you feel about that? You know, there were some pushes. >> What did they say? They say nice things or they say things that were insulting? >> They were just like saying that they wanted more from your tiger growl. >> I want everyone to call it. I don't really like what it, I don't know. >> They want you to be like you in cats, you know what I'm saying? That kind of shit, you know what I'm saying? I've never seen cats so bad. >> I'll hold on for a second. Did you obviously decide to decide to live a sketch where it was his name was trapped in a musical? He thought that his gang was getting ready to fight another gang, but when they came out, they started singing it dancing and one of them was the Panthers, and they went, meow, like that. I'm sorry. I don't want to see that. >> What year was it? >> So that must've been, that was like the Will Ferrell years, because it was very phenomenal that was doing it. >> It's like early 2000. >> That's the tiger, man. It was some more fucking tiger talk. >> Shout out to the tigers. We'll get to some tiger talk. We'll get to some college football talk, but it is NBA final season, and we do have a finals that is set. First game is happening tonight, really just right after we record this. So, you know, we're going to just get some quick takes off on the NBA finals, because that's part of the ringer. You know, the ringer loves the NBA. Do we have any, is there anyone here that has sort of a finals favorite, a team that we really like? Joel, I know you were talking a little bit before about Jalen Brunson. Do you have an affinity for the Knicks? >> Oh, yeah. I was playing that 82-0 game, DeVan. >> Yeah, that was the first 20 minutes of our Zoom. >> Yeah, we were trying to build an 82-0 team. >> Hey, man. I had, that bitch right now. I had me a 67-15 squad. I had Brun. It's like, anyway, are you asking me well? >> You're a Gail Goodrich, it's you. >> Gail Goodrich, it's you. God, I can lose my point. You remember the thing? >> Oscar Robertson. >> I had Oscar Robertson at point, but it's just like the front court, Nene, and Danny Manning. That was kind of tough, but anyway. >> Yeah, Nene was a tough pick, but 67 wins with Nene is pretty good. >> Yeah, man. I did what I could do. >> 2013 Nugget's homage there from Joel. >> You like that? >> For me, it's always fucks San Antonio, you know what I'm saying? >> All right, this is the Houston bias. >> I'm a Houstonian. The Rockets had just as much odds to get Wimbee and we didn't get them. And you know, people spent all this time talking about dishonorable basketball, we're sharing everything. They don't like how foul baits and all this stuff. You know what's dishonorable basketball? Tanking. Tanking to get generational talents. You know, and so they did it the year that they got Tim Duncan, and they did it for Wimbee. >> And so they did it three times to get their current court, right? They got Steph Castle by tanking, they got Dylan Harper by tanking, and they got Wimbee by tanking. >> That's dishonorable basketball, you know? So no, it's always fucked the spurs over here. I'm rooting for the mix. I want to see, I like New York, man. Mixed fans are fun. And you look, the Rockets, I got my first NBA championship off the mix. So I feel like that do right now. So I would love to see them have. Can you just, I would love to be in New York if the Nicks win the championship, man? >> Joel, don't step on this brilliant take. I love this take. >> What's taking? >> This take about the tanking. I love this take. As we're talking about the, I love this. >> You're saying the spurs are unethical. >> He's saying the spurs are unethical after we've had an unethical conversation about the mother- >> And they were on the ethical side, yeah. >> Yeah, no, I love this take. >> Yeah, people, I mean, they threw games and didn't show up for a couple years. And they got lucky. The Rockets could have just as easily got wimpy. I was hoping and praying we would get wimpy. Now, we did fuck up. We took re-shepard when we could have got Stefan. >> Yeah, talk about a drop-in quality there to go from where? >> Yeah, that was a mistake. That was a mistake, that was a mistake. But other than that, I mean, Jalen Green over Evan Mobley, in retrospect, maybe that wasn't the greatest peak. But yeah, man, I don't respect what the spurs did. And when I was growing up, spurs fans, they had to be on a hush. They couldn't talk around. It's like, we're talking my basketball over here, guys. The Rockets franchise and the Mavs, they had at least played in a conference finals. At some point in my life, we didn't hear nothing about spurs fans. And now, they talk all this shit and they get to be- >> Because they busted your motherfucking ass, that's why. >> Yeah. >> I mean, you're okay. >> That's great. Good for them, good for them, but it was dishonorable. The way they went about getting me- >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I understand that, but let's go back to this. You're saying they didn't use the talk. And that's actually honorable because they had no reason to talk, right? >> Yeah. >> They have any reason to talk. >> Right. >> But now, they have a reason to talk. And they're talking, they're busting your ass. They're busting the Rockets ass. >> The Rockets ass is bust, by the spurs since at least 99, right? At least it's been done by- >> I don't know about that, because there was those years, the Harden years, you know? >> No, you had T-Mac y'all mean, that was a moment. >> Yeah, that was a little of some good teams, man. >> I come by coming with those teams. >> Oh, but wait, that was during 10-junking years, so not really. >> Hey, guys, yeah, what the fuck are you guys talking about? >> Yeah, you got to go to the Western Conference. >> Yeah, you guys went to the Western Conference finals, the semi finals, a couple of years in between the spurs winning championships. >> And the Warriors. >> That's so funny. And the Warriors winning championships, they were winning championships all the way up. They brought in a new nigger that started winning championships within them. >> Do you know, your guys, they're not there back in the finals. >> Now, let me tell you, there's no way between 99 and now. This is going to be- >> Look, there's one thing. Nobody gives the Rockets any respect for this. But when the Warriors got KD, the league was ready to throw it all the way. They were like, man, the Warriors are unbeatable. Nobody can beat the Warriors 7. >> Yeah, and the Rockets were like- >> They missed every three you looked at. >> Yeah, let's compete, let's get after it. And then 27 missed three. >> Chris Paul heard his hamstring. And it, you know, they're one of our opportunity. But if Chris Paul was healthy, we win that game. We win, we win, we win, we got a lot of credit. We got, we get, y'all deserve a lot of credit. >> Yeah, because it made everybody else nut up. It made everybody else nut up and get into the finals. >> Yeah, it made everybody else nut up and get into the finals. >> The new slogan for the Rockets, nut up. >> Yeah, nut up, nut up, everybody else nut up. >> This is basketball, YouTuber, what's that guy's name? Scout with Bryant or something like that? But y'all ever see that guy on YouTube? >> Yeah, he goes after people. He loves the comments. >> He does, see, he knows. >> He knows what I'm saying. >> He did this guy, man. >> No, he go, he, Joe, let me tell you- >> Joe respect him, actually. >> Really? >> Joe will respect him. This guy's Scout with Bryant. Because on, for some reason, on Twitter, he goes crazy. But if you actually watch the videos, he broke down one time. It was a Warriors vs. Rockets video where the Warriors just realized that the Rockets were going to come out and play the same coverage no matter what. And they just start busing the Rockets fucking ass. They were down, being in half. It might have been in Game 7 or maybe even Game 6 of that series. But they just realized that no matter what happened, that the Rockets wouldn't change their coverage. And so the Warriors came out and exploited them and just took the game from them. It's still a useful video from Scout with Bryant, who's a very controversial figure out there in the Twitter streets. Should take those. >> Scout with Bryant and Scout with Bryant. >> Scout, Scout. >> Scout with Bryant. >> Not Scout with Bryant. >> I'll tell you what you're saying, Scout with Bryant. >> Okay, I'm gonna look him up. >> Scout with Bryant sounds like a relationship podcast. >> Wait, is that the guy? Wait a minute. I feel like he had a moment a few years ago where he was kind of talking crazy. And he had to go away for a little bit. >> He's definitely called someone to hold him. >> He's back. >> Oh yeah, he had to come back. I remember this guy. >> Okay. >> Well, whatever. I'm not familiar with his work like I should be. But let's play a time for that. >> Yeah, you have your personal affinity for Houston. That's why you're anti-spers, so we understand that. But is there a reason why you like the Knicks other than that? >> Well, I mean, I think that, I mean, they've played the best 11 game stretch in NBA playoffs history. >> Plus at two 62 point differential. >> Yeah, man, even if it was just the sixes and the hawks and the calves. I mean, those are still NBA playoffs teams and they kick their ass. It's not like they played around with them. So I think that they have a chance. And I look, man, I think that the spurs are going to be very difficult. I mean, the thing about playing against Wimbee, and this is the obvious thing to say, every night it's going to be hard because every night you're going to have to struggle. >> Oh my god, Jesus Christ. >> I sent a Barclay clip to Joel and Van this week. >> Every night. >> It's basically Barclay doing the polls and that is Joel on the show every week. >> Damn. >> Joel, my God, every night. >> Every night. >> Every night. >> No more. >> Yeah, hey. - All right, give your predictions. Talk in B.A. Fouls now. - What? - Man, bro. - Oh my God. - My God. Okay, I just got the jazz in the 2000s. Shall I put, shall I put, come on man? - Man, we were supposed to be talking about the final, sir. - Come on. - I got, I feel like that. - I think Darren Williams. - Get Darren Williams in there. - Darren Williams, is that point guard? - Yeah, wait. - Wait, wait, wait, what is this, the jazz in there? - I just got this, you talk jazz in there. - You got this alone, coaching. - Darren Williams, Dallas. - Yeah, good player. - One note on the finals. A team that has come and played less four games, like in back to back. The Knicks have had that with the calves. They won that series in a sweep. Also coming off a sweep, going into the finals. Teams are 20 and four in the next series. So, I mean, there is a little bit of history on the side of the New York Knicks. If you do want to buy into some of that stuff. And also, I do feel like this Knicks team is kind of battle tested a little bit more in the playoffs than this first. So there's something to buy into. But again, the talent on the side of the spurs, I feel like, seems to be the better team. Like, if you had to really make a pick, I would say spurs and six, spurs and seven, potentially at home. But for whatever reason, I'm a little bit leaning towards the Knicks. I don't know why, maybe the toughness. Maybe the fact they can wear out Wimbee a little bit. Also, OG Ananobe physically. I think it's kind of a guy that you can throw on Wimbee and give him a different look to that. - Wimbee soccer. - Yeah, he can handle it. - Is Mitch Robinson's hand? I mean, he like, he heard-- - He's out there, Mitch is out there. - He's out there, all right. - Yeah, man. Yeah, they got some size, some big guys, you know. - Paws. Oh. - No, that wasn't. - What? - Joe, I just, I'm waiting, I'm waiting, I'm waiting, I'm waiting. - Joe, listen, don't pop, don't pop. - Joe, don't pop. You see, it's gonna be hard every night. That's a clear, cut case word. Don't pop, bro. Okay, you guys decide. - You guys decide. - You think it's simple tussle mill to get himself back in line. - Yeah, man. - Oh my god, Jesus. - I say this, look, from a basketball perspective, it seems as if that the spreads are a little too talented, a little too multiple to lose to the nicks. But man, the nicks match up super well with them, have matched up super well with them all year. And it's just they're playing with this cohesion right now. And like, under-discussed, well, what a coaching job on Mike Brown with the new management, completely transformed that team into a team that can really, really play like in the moment and react to what the defense is doing. So what's other, yeah, I'm with you. - No, I'm with you there. Just another little Mike Brown quickly. He, the last time he was there 2007 with LeBron, right, against the spurs, he was running the spurs, plays against the spurs. So they knew everything they was running. They're like, that's our floppy to the side. That's this action that we run. So like the scout for them was super easy. And obviously they get swept, and LeBron gets the blame for that. But Mike Brown running spurs, plays against the spurs was a very underrated aspect of that series. Now he's the one that has a little bit more experience going up against Mitch Johnson. So maybe this is a redemption story for Mike Brown as well. So that's another reason you might want to buy into the mix. - Yeah, the thing that's also the mix did the thing, 'cause you know me, I'm like winning is hard. Oh, it's hard, wow. So winning is hard. But Tom Chippen though, I think Joe, that's the job. - Joe, just stop, bro. It's not, it's not, that's not what you said. You said it's going to be hard every night. - And emphasize. - Joe, and you emphasize it. - What do you guys know? - I did not do not. - Every night, Joe, and it's, and it's, that's not the same. As some of this other shit that you say, I don't appreciate you doing what you're doing right now. - No, man. - No, no, no, I'm being young, I'm being young. Y'all made me forget my point. Oh yeah, Tom Chippen though, it was a good coach. And I probably would be like, man, I probably run it back with Tom Chippen though before I make that kind of change. But the mix really did something very brave, very courageous. They said, look, that's not good enough. And they said, he's limiting, he puts a lower ceiling on this team than that should be. And they went and got Mike Brown, and it worked. It was like basically a championship a bus year for the mix. And they went ahead and made it to the championship. And didn't bust. Oh, damn, Joe. - All right, that's enough, I'll let it go. - I'll let it go, I'll let it go. - All right, man, man, man, man, do you have a pick? Do you have a finals pick? Or do you want to wait before we go? - I'm gonna go with this first. - You know what, you know what? Fuck it, you know what? Fuck it, you know what, fuck it. Mix and six, bing, fuck it! - I like it, mix and six. - Bung, bung! - Yeah! - Mix and six, how about that? Fuck it! I'm going, my heart says, my brain says the spurs are going, but my heart is with these crazy wild-eyed, fucking insane people from right there in Midtown, man, hadn't. - That's what's up, man. - I like it, Josh Hart hitting some threes. Also, if they still won Game of San Antonio, they come back to MSG, win three and four, go back San Antonio, lose Game of Five. They got Game of Six at home in MSG. That'd be a tough place to win a game on the road for the spurs, especially a young team. So, mix and six, I like it, Joe, do you have a pick? - Oh, yeah, I think mix and seven. I think they'll have, I think that's hard. - You think they'll win Game seven in San Antonio? - Yeah, man, Jalen Brunson is a clutch player, man. And I just kind of feel like, you know, they're the more battle-tested team. Again, I'm going out on the limb here. I mean, I think that like Vance said, that the spurs are the more talented team. They've got the hardest guy to overcome in terms of having to fight all the time, definitely not. - I'll see, see, see, see. - Hardest guy to overcome. - Y'all have some bullshit, but that's fine. But I think that, yeah, the cohesion, the way that the nicks have played, I sometimes, I just like, that stuff has to matter, I think, the way that you've been playing and the way that they seem to look down the stretch. So, you know, I'm just going to have some faith that they'll be able to come through in a real tight Game seven in San Antonio, man. - All right. - What about you, Tate? - What about you? - I can't mix in six. - I can't mix in six, but I don't feel great about it. But, you know, I'm one of those guys, where I think Josh Harkin's wing this series, I like the physicality of the nicks. I think Mitch is going to play. And like I said, I think this is Mike Brown's redemption story, and I do think, going up against pop of it in 2007, he's been there with the number one pick, you know, at 22 years old with LeBron, he already saw that feeling, and now he's on the other side with the more experienced team. So, I think he gets it back and I think he gets a win, and I think it's good for the NBA at the nicks win. I think it's a way to get them, kind of like what Boston did a couple years ago, and they won, right? You get that fan base back engaged and excited with the championship. So, I think it's a win for the league overall. And again, as we know, it's NBA entertainment, and I think that would be good entertainment. And then Wimbee has a little bit of, you know, firing his belly to go back and get it right, and Tim Duncan, he lost one finals, 2013. - That's right. - LeBron and the heat, he was five for six. I think Wimbee's going to end up being five for six as well. And I think this is going to be his one loss. - That's interesting. - I always feel like, because every time people do that thing with they're really young, you can just imagine them winning forever. And it doesn't really happen like that anymore. I just remember people, not that the warriors were disappointment because they got five finals, but I think the thought was that the warriors are going to run off like six of seven or something like that. - I mean the heat, the heat or care? - Yeah, the heat, the heat we're going to be like that. And it's just like injuries happen, salary disputes happen, ridiculous GMs happen, you know? - So we'll see, what you doing? - Joe getting into the basketball historian bag. What's the fuck? I'm talking about it. - I was about some other dynasties that didn't live up to what you thought they should. - That was about Gaelin. - I mean, they're making me like these songs, man. - They were a really good team and they got denied a couple of times. - That's a great one. - Yeah, man. - You know, great team. The Sonics were the rivals of the Rockets. And if the Rockets had to play the Sonics in any of those years, they won a championship. They would have lost because they were bad matchup form. - You think so? - Yeah, man, they never beat those Sonics in a playoffs series during that stretch. It was just all, like they lost in a game seven in Seattle. - Also five game series, less of a chance for you to get back into the league. - Well, I went to the Sonics. The Sonics guy kicked off Mount Matumbo. - That's right. - That's right. - Oh, man, RIPD, man. - RIPD. - Yeah, the Mount Matumbo couldn't climb Mount Matumbo. Open the thing up. I will say that like, the Rockets did get those two championships. There is some fortuitousness in their two championship run. To me, they had the best player in the NBA, not named Michael Jordan. They had one of the, to me, five to 10 best players in the history of the game at his at his pinnacle in peak. - I suppose so. - So that being a Kimmelage one. But, you know, there was some stuff that was going on during that time that allowed them to take advantage of what was happening, you know? - Yeah. - You got to win. You got to get a little luck. - Yeah, man, you got to, I mean, look, I'll be the first to admit that the Rockets were lucky to lock down that stretch. They wanted some games that they shouldn't have won. They were not overly talented, but they really came together, man. And yeah, you know, man, I was out on West time and Richmond, man. We all flooded into the street stug and just, you know, saying hit some 7-11s. We were out there, bro. - That was really nice. - Most city was supporting. - Most city, man. Yeah, man. It was, it was a lot of fun, man. I'm glad, man, we swept the magic the next year. That was great, man. Those are some good times. - And that was after the magic knocked out, Jordan when he came back. - That's right. That's why I always say, you know, Jordan and the Bulls, man, they could've got their heads tapped too. You know what I'm saying? They just didn't make it. - I would say it does kind of like, not the mirror exactly, but it does feel like when Wimby and the Spurs knocked off, okay, see, they celebrated the same way that Shaq and the Magic celebrated, knocking out the Bulls. Like they kind of celebrated like they already won the GMG. And I think that concerns me a little bit. Like the tears and everything. It's like, you won the Western Conference finals. You didn't win the NBA finals. So I'll give you a little bit. I'd be a little bit concerned, [BLANK_AUDIO] Jack was partying. I think Wimbee was just, you know, ecstatic. - But I tell you what, Jack was part of a shack. Man, shack gave, dream was the better player, but dream couldn't do shit with shack, neither though. Like, I mean, people that the kids that watch this was probably not meaning up good, I'll be at a median viewer is like what, 41. But they don't remember young shack, man. Young shack was incredible. They see this big, heavy guy. Even like Lakers shack, like was just not, he was a little bit heavier than he was those early years with the magic. But man, he was an incredible athlete. That was the thing. You'd never seen anybody that big, that massive, that move like that, man. He was unbelievable. - He was like a military shape early on. Yeah, he was fit and ready to go. Yeah, that was a fun team. Fun times. - LSU guy. - Yeah, big LSU guy there. He's a tiger. - It won't pick. - That's right. - It's fun to fucking tie that. - Yeah. (laughing) (laughing) - When do you start counting down two college football? Is it after the NBA finals? 'Cause I do feel like once the finals wrap, I get NBA drafted and then everyone's like, what's next in college football? It's right there on the docket, obviously, NFL as well. I had some big trays, mild carrots. Miles Garrett coming out here to the Rams is a big deal. But when does it start for you, Joel? When you start counting down the days to college football? - Oh, when I get my preseason magazines in the mail. You know, when I get my Dave Campbell's Texas football, the Atheline National Edition. - It's early July, right? - Early July, yeah. And you get the regional edition. I always get the regional edition of the Athlons wherever I live. So because I live in Maryland, I get the big 10 edition of Athlons now. You know, the best conference in college football. So I get to read all about that. I think Phil still told me he was gonna send me one of his preseason magazines too. So yeah, man, that's when I really get into it. I start doing my research. I remember when we were doing this show last year, and it was really funny because I didn't know y'all really at that point. - And Van said something about, man, we're gonna have to get the new NCAA football game and play it so we can learn all the rosters and all this shit. And I was like, Dan, you make that shit sound totally unfun. And I was like, I was gonna tell him my wife, I was like, man, I'm gonna have to fuck about PS5. I know it's gonna look crazy, but I'm gonna have to play video games. - Oh my god. - I love that you're trying to sound like it was a chore. That sounds like a thing. - You know what? I went to play this going on. - I've not played video games since 2007. I remember the day I played my last video game. - Almost 20 years ago. - I'm coming up on that anniversary. - Yeah, man. - What was the last game that you played, Halo? - No, you know, no, it was Madden. It was Madden and I was-- - It was on the cover, Sean Alexander. - Was it Vince Young? Was Vince Young on the cover one year? - On the Madden? - He might have been. - I think he might have been. - He might have gotten a bad cover. I don't know. I can't remember. - If there was anyone on the Titans, I would say Chris Johnson. - Man, let me see. - No man, he was on the cover. - He was on the cover. - Oh wow. - Yeah, I think he might have got one. - Something like that, yeah, man. 'Cause remember, he'd get into a pro bowl and everything. - I mean, yeah, they were a fun team. - So I remember, I was playing the L with just happy to me, bro. Let me tell you why I was just happy to me, bro. - What? - Fuck what y'all talking about. - I got a clear cut 82 and 0 team. - Come on, Doug. - I got fucked over in the last one. So I got Will Chamberlain in that center. - Ooh. - I got the White Hauer Power Ford. - Damn. - I got Jason Tatum at Small Ford. - No, you know what I mean, too. - I got a lot of hype. - I got John Stockton at Point Guard and they just gave me the Utah Jazz from the '90s. So now, I need a shooting guard. I gotta put a Utah Jazz from the '90s on there. I gotta go in for a sec, right? - Yeah, for a sec was the best shooting guard then. - Who else did they have? - They had a fucking Barron Russell. - Yeah, that's who Jordan hit the shot over. - Yeah, man. - Look at you, man. - For these bitches, just 58 and 24, fuck this day, dog. - It's like, you say, believe me, this bitch is 58, 12. You need to tell me, hold on for a second, bro. You mean to tell me, man, this team is only average in 77 points per game. - Yeah, man. - This is because Jason Tatum is from Boston into 2010s. So he wasn't quite the man yet. - Yeah. - Young Tatum. - Yeah, man, I mean. And I mean, you've got like two, two really bad freaks of a shooting guard now. - They're packing the paint now. - Yeah, they're hacking the light. They're hacking Will. - Yeah, it's tough. - It's not really a great Celtic from the 2010s that you could put in there besides maybe like Kari. - I did. - Oh, Kari, I forget. - I did. - That's how much you could put in there. Yeah, you could put him in there, but it's like, I don't know, man. I went with Jason Tatum. I shouldn't have done that. - I wish you could pick the era that your team plays in, like 90s team. - No. - No, this is great. - Like 2000 with your team, you know what I mean? - Yeah. - Yeah. I was just introduced to this game three minutes before we went on air. And now I'm in love with it. I'm glad that I didn't learn about it. I went to the end of the day, 'cause I would have fucked off my whole day if I had access to this website. - Well, you got more time after this. You can still waste the speaking of games though. Speaking of College Football 26 that Joe did not buy, College Football 27 came out. The Lux edition cover. And here's on the, these are the people that are on the cover. Kurt Signetti in the middle. Dante Moore, Malachite Tony, J.D. Mayava, Kewan Lacey, Colin Simmons, and Leonard Moore. So these are the guys. Last year we had two cover stars this year. A slew of cover stars plus Kurt Signetti. Vann, do you like Signetti being on the cover of College Football 27? - He is the current King of College Football. - Okay. - You have to put them on the cover. - Those are not a character though. - For him? - Yeah. - I mean, this is what happens though. See, this is the thing that people don't understand. You never know what character is until opportunity meets character. - There you go. - There are people right now that are saying, "Yo man, I would never do that. I would never take that." - Sure. - Bitch, there ain't no kind of problems. You don't know what you are. You got to fuck up. I hate that shit. You don't know what you'll do. I never sell out. You don't, ain't nobody buying. You don't know what the fuck you'll do. Shut up, right? And so, like, now if you get to that point, and it's on the table and you don't take it, A, more power to you. I love people that stick to their guns. There's nothing more that I love. Dave Chappelle with Chappelle. - Rick Pits, Rick Petina. - Dick today guns, right? I love that. But Kurt Zignetti, we didn't know what was it. Kurt Zignetti, we might see him with a joint on Hudson prison. We don't know. - Oh, damn. - Oh, wow. - We have no clue. - You know what? - That is true. - We have no clue. - It's tough. Like already Kurt Zignetti was probably one of the most famous people in the state. But now he's a sort of, you know, I don't know how much of a national celebrity he is, but there's a lot of people who know who he is. And now you got to turn it out a lot more shit when you're Kurt Zignetti. People know that he makes $13 million a year. You know, he's handsome for 64. And he didn't make our top 10. - He's famous now. - Yeah, man. - Yeah, he made the top 10. Maybe he should have. But he, he, he famous now. Now he out there and when him being out there means that now people are going to have to, he's going to have to be more definitive and actually defining that character. I don't see what being on the cover of the video game has to do with character. I think that that's fine. But Kurt Zignetti now is going to have people shoving a microphone in his face and asking them questions. And they're going to be picking the party every answer. And we'll see how he deals with that. - Yeah, it's a different day for Kurt Zignetti. And speaking of Zignetti, let's do one big reaction because he came out and said college football is in danger if something doesn't change soon. Here's the quote, "The market is pretty expensive. It's scary. It's really scary." I think players should get paid. But something's going to have to be done in the next 12 to 24 months. Or universities might not be able to handle this. College football won't exist the way that we're going right now. Joel, this is a near-wheel house. Your thoughts on Zignetti's comments? - I just told you Kurt Zignetti makes $13 million a year. - Okay. - So college football wasn't, it didn't face an existential risk when A&M paid $77 million to Jimbo Fisher to go away. 54 million for Brian Kelly to go away. Kentucky to pay $37 million for Mark Stoops to go away. No, it's just that now the players have a little bit more mobility and they have an opportunity to make somewhat close to what their value is, is college football players. And also, like, what do people mean when they say college football won't exist? Like, I want people to walk me through what's going to happen. Are you just telling me coach Zignetti that colleges that will realize, oh man, this is a lot of money. We're not getting the return on it. So maybe we should stop spending money or spend less money or play against programs that spend at the level that we do. What the fuck is wrong with that? That's what's happened in the history of college football. People, I believe it used to be major college football. - Right, he's the one titles. - He's early, not early 80s. And they were like, no, we don't want to do this. We don't want to have to play, we don't want to have to build massive stadiums, we don't want to have to spend the kind of money that it requires. So we'll just go to the level down. - They bow down. - Princeton played in the first fucking college football game. Okay? So like the Ivy League was like, you know what? This isn't what we need to do and we're not going to do it anymore. So I'm sorry if colleges realize, man, that $21 million salary cap, that's a lot, man. We might, I don't know if that's worth our while. We should pay less than go ahead to play North Dakota State, which would be a chance. Like, I just, I'm pretty tired of hearing that. - You know, that's crazy. - So, I guess I'll ask this, okay. So do you think that there's a structural difference here in like the comparison that you make? There are way more players than there are coaches. - Yeah. - So even though coaches make tremendous salaries - About half of it. what the players make if they make good, if they're good, if they're really good, they make about half of what they're saying you should spend on a roster. I will continue. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm just joking. I just saw somebody do that on a YouTube video. A couple of people off all the time, what I'm known for. So there are a couple of coaches who make these exorbitant soundings, right? A couple of, like enough for us to have a conversation about the coaches' hours. Right? The players represent a way larger portion of the monetary stress that will be put on the sport or the financial mechanism or whatever, right? There's just way more paying players and then not only that, but you're paying a bunch of players based upon, like, you're paying them, they're more of them to pay and then you're paying them based on being worse with the other universities and stuff like that. Is it a chance? I'm not capable for the coaches here. Is it a chance that one is more sustainable than the other? Is there a chance that there is a financial stressor that exists with this many players that you would have to pay that might not exist with the coaches I'm asking? You know, it is a slightly different stressor, but if I have to pick, it's the players that should be getting paid, and all the other major leagues in America, the players make more money than the coach. You can't MLB, NBA, NFL, those guys don't make what the players make. And the reason the coaches got paid so much in the first place is because you didn't pay the players. So who else are you going to pay with all the money that you bring to you? Okay. Can I say something now? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. There's a difference even between those sports and the sports that we're talking about now in this sport, the coaches are more important than the players are. I don't know. Okay. I mean, out and it's just it's it's it's a if you have a good if you have a great one. If you have a nice well, that's true in anything a player is not as important like good players or the players that are important. So if you are in the coach stays, the players move on. That's the point. And in what we're talking about now, you essentially have it would be different in even in the NFL if every coach was on like a these coach, these players play four years and then they can't play in the sport anymore. They're gone. Okay. At the most, they can play four years and then they can't play in the sport anymore. Not that they can go to another team and play in the sport. Not that they can go. They play four years. They have four years of eligibility and then they're out of the sport. So they're gone. So what you actually need are coaches and people that can connect errors of players and win for your university that is going to be there for a very, very long time. So the coach doesn't build a roster like a coach builds in the Major League Baseball anything because a coach builds a program, a coach builds an identity, a coach builds something that's supposed to be able to last from recruiting class to recruiting class. So the reason why they get paid the way they do in college football, the way that it's always been, is because there are architects that are supposed to do two things. Number one, coach players up who weren't highly tired of recruits and then on the other side of that, be able to endure players that bust out and stuff like that, right? Because these guys can't really get, I mean, you can wave them and cut them and stuff like that. I guess now, but what I'm saying is when we compare these things to pro leagues, oftentimes we do it in a way that robs the context of the differences between these two things. And yeah, if you, if you get Winby, the guy who coaches Winby is important, but it's certainly less important than Winby, who you want to have there for 15 or 20 years, if, if all goes right, not going to win for Winby in his health. But that is just different from the mentally, than how things work in college football. I hear what you're saying, but because it's right. No, no, no, because what would happen when things change and if we're going to 2018, 2018, 2019, you know, what's that about, man, you don't got me to get in the guys name now, man, hold on. Oh, double swimming. Okay. You're a double suede. Yeah, double suede. James Franklin and Brian Kelly, they were all like great coaches and once the economics of the game changed, things changed. As soon as the game, the economics of the games changed, Nick Saban got his ass out of college football. And I'm just going to throw this at you for, so for LSU spent, you know, 67 million dollars in coaches. Why me did that plant pan out all of the Brian Kelly this year, but they played probably about 30 million dollars on coaches. What if I told you you get 30, you can have a lane kiffin for 30 million dollars this year, or I give you George seat and Sam levitt, Kate and Durham, maybe I might be able to get you a nice receiver like am Coleman, but I'm just, but this is the point. This is the point about this sport is this, this type of sport, that roster really matters, but the coaches and the pro, the coaches have such an inordinate amount of effect on what happens in the game in this sport. It's just a fucking fact. I don't know. I think the game is changing. I think the game is changing now is I don't think that's, I don't think that's as important as it used to be, which is why then how do you explain college in the game? Huh? I'm not going to be a coach. - Maybe he has to do that. - Trying to know what he'd be having to say, yeah, that's true. - Like maybe. In this case, if you're a Miles Garrett, and you go to, at least for the time being, who knows, you have to still to a degree for these coaches. You still have to have these guys go to class. You still have to, it's different. - Ain't nobody flunking out in the morning, bro. - Ain't nobody flunking because in a moment. - Honestly, at LSU, I'm not gonna name no names and no players, but we had a player that was a five star running back, a legitimate five star running back. Love this kid. Who, I still love this kid, who had injury problems, but also could not stay on the field because of academic stuff. And I'm not saying, it doesn't happen all the time, but what I'm saying is, it's still a concern. And these are the, the job is different. The game is different. It's not the same game. You know, you can say that they're gonna be professionals, but they're professionals in so far as they get paid, but they're not professionals in the terms of what professional athletes do within the infrastructure. - What their responsibilities are, it's different. - Coaches will be slightly more important in college football and it is better to have a good one than a bad one. But on the whole, I would rather take my risk every year with a $40 million roster as opposed to a $40 million coach in college football going for it. Again, I understand this college football is very complicated. You gotta keep those boys in line. You gotta develop them. You gotta teach them football because they don't even know football that low yet. And all the other little distractions that are happening, even if they're not really on campus, like they used to be, 'cause they're taking remote classes and all that other shit and they're mostly at the football facility. But you know, there's a lot more things. - They're in this country club area. He said they live next to them there as well. - I mean, that's what they said. There are your men, so man, they were moving in. - That was part of you. - He was gonna get a country club membership with some shit like that down in Miami. I'm like, yeah, man, this is a totally different shit. But yeah, I agree that college coaches are important. Maybe a little bit more important than the NFL, but like again, I just don't think there as the supporters that used to be and people about to get used to that. And the people that are finding that out are the ones that are panicking the most. They're like, hmm, I have a lot more in my second game than I used to. I better say that I was supposed to danger. - Joe, yes. Do you know what you have in common with this shirt? - I can't even see your shirt, bro. Let me see. Hold on, doc. - Damn. - Is that okay? - Hold on. - You're in the top of my screen and my teleprompter, and I have bad vision. - Okay, man, you looking good, man. - I appreciate it, bro. I'm really gonna wait, bro. Do you know what you have in common with this shirt, though? - Okay, what about it? - Y'all both just got washed up. - Oh shit. - What? - Oh. - Right, right, right. - No, I was just gonna talk. - No, seriously, all just aside though, all just aside though, all just aside. These are kind of the things that we're talking about. And I would be lying. Obviously, pardoned having this conversation, I think we both make interesting points. But a lot of this stuff, a lot of Joe's right about a lot of this stuff. A lot of this is fucking powder. A lot of this is a bunch of guys who had all the power, all the power, all the things. - Nick Sabin. - Nick Sabin. A lot of this is a bunch of guys who don't think that this sport works unless they are the Mount Olympus of it. And I'll just be honest with you. Now, the people don't like when we do this, 'cause we're just supposed to act like we're not who we are. That is a little uncomfortable for me. It is because there is a stewardship argument there that a lot of times rubs guys like myself the wrong way. As if the sport, if it's in the hands of the athlete, or the sport, if it's on the back of the athlete, is not as viable as it is if it's in the hands of the oftentimes older white millionaire guy. And whereas that's not supposed to be like what we're talking about. We're talking about college football. We love college football. But it's sort of elephant that you can't help but ride at some point. - Yeah, I feel that. I feel that. Yeah. I mean, that's the subtext of all these conversations. I mean, Nick Sabin said that. I mean, he said it's an arms race who spends the most best chance to win but I think it's a race to the bottom because if you don't spend a win, you lose your fan base and you don't have any revenue. So it's like this very existential threat that he's putting out there about the sport. - I'm sorry, you're so scared of capitalism. The people that have the most money have the most advantages. And they take advantage of it. And then the people that don't have any money get they ask it and they live at the bottom of things and it's very tough to get up every day. Welcome to the reality, sir, okay? Sorry, sorry that you can't be the overseer that you used to be 15 years ago. I never knew this about the overseer's kind of the right word. Overseers, crazy. You can't come hang out with me in her song "Piker" now. You can't be, you can't joke with us. The more I talk to you, the more I talk to you. - Wait, do you really be hanged out with her song "Piker"? Of course you do. - Of course you do. - I saw you on stage. I saw a van on stage talking to somebody, man. Who is that guy from "The Bullwark"? You were on stage making people laugh, who is that dude? Who's that boy? - Tim. - Tim from "The Bullwark". He's an LSU fan, yeah, he's a. - He's a target, what's you? He's a target, that's a motherfucking target. - I got to the fight with him on Twitter for years. A few months ago. - Now this is what I'm talking about. What was this about? - Let's see what happened with Tim Miller and me. - I'm not gonna be able to figure this out. - Do you ever like him saved like my beefs and you have him in your book? - I mean, you know, if a person is prominent enough or like I felt like your argument was a name enough that I wouldn't, okay, here he goes, let's see. Okay, so here's Tim Miller on March 4th. All the magas I follow are retweeting Tala Rico tweets from five years ago. We'll see what the impact is, but it does reinforce my belief that the dams would really benefit from finding an upstart in 2028 who emerged in 2022 and didn't really post during peak woke. And then I said, why should dams give a shit if any critique from the magas? Can the people confuse here, not tell the difference between wanting good things to happen to people and wanting bad things to happen to them? Okay, and it goes on for a few more weeks, right? (laughing) It goes on for a while. So you said you and him got to a tip. That's not what happened. You got at him. And now I wanna hear what else. - The reason dams should give a shit is because this is from Tim. Is that you are going to need to earn the vote of some people who voted for Trump, but aren't happy now. And I don't want to say that those people struggle with the difference you present, but maybe it would help to at least try not to give them an excuse to tip the wrong direction. And I said, I'm not saying there's people who won't become Trump Tala Rico voters, but I'm out of the assumption that they're so small a number and people who clearly have no real core political beliefs that it's much more likely that they won't vote at all. And then we kept going for a little bit longer. I mean, again, yeah, I just don't like that shit when people anytime somebody started to use woke is a reason for why things went wrong and the excesses of 2020 woke is them or whatever. I just think that's bullshit and you falling for it. You fell for the bait. And so when people use that word in public, I gotta go with them, don't I? - I have to say something here. - Very scout with Brian from you. - Joel. - Yeah, sorry. - Very scout with Brian. - I have to say something here, though. - Okay. - Now, once again, here, I think you and Tim are having two different arguments. I think you're having to, I think you're having to argument about what should happen. And he's probably having to argument about what didn't happen. And I think a lot of times when we're talking about all of this stuff, we end up talking past each other because some people live in the world, guys like you and me, we get triggered, or I'll let you speak for myself. I won't say what triggers you 'cause fucking everything triggers you. But we live in the should world a lot of times. - Okay. - And the dead world is sometimes inconvenient for us. But it's difficult to say for me, and not to turn this podcast into something else, it's difficult to say for me that a certain framing and obsession with identity didn't turn a lot of people off because it almost certainly did. The question is, the question is to me, whether or not you completely pivot away from what you think marginalized communities and people need, or whether or not you continue down into this sort of cynical, we don't discuss these types of problems anymore. And that's what you have political figures to kind of figure out what the best way to message is. - My thought is that we've bought that line of argument for a while that you can scare people off by acknowledging that white supremacy is a thing or that, you know, that maybe that there have been some excesses and police abuse and we should consider reallocating our resources and they'll turn it into, you want to defund the police. So all the people, what I think that what Tim is doing, we said defund. - Some people said what you just said. - Some people said, some people said it, not everybody. - What you just said, defund the police. - What you just said is the way to say it, but we said defund. And I still say defund, but when you say it, you have to come to terms with the fact that it scares some people. - Again, so, but this is the thing that Tim, your boy Tim Miller said by, your boy. - This is your boy Tim Miller said. - Okay, yeah, he didn't, he didn't like Tom Lee. - He staged me. - His presumption is that there are people out there that were like, man, I really, I normally, I don't fuck with Democrats. I don't believe in excesses. as a woke now. But all of a sudden, I may vote, I may decide to vote against Ken Paxton because he doesn't, I those people are always going to vote for those people like they're never going to vote for James Tyler Rico. I think that is the foolishness is that we believe that those people and that we give so much attention to these dummies. The handful of dummies are like, well, yeah, man, I was Obama voter and I'm a Trump voter. You are a fucking idiot dog. You don't believe in anything. And there's not enough for you to go vote. Most of you are don't care enough to vote. You have no core political beliefs. And so like why are we just giving so much rhythm and attention and oxygen to these people that are a very small saliva of society as opposed to people who might be inspired by, you know what? That white boy is against white supremacy. I might get out and come to vote. I think there are more people that might get out and look at that and be like, oh, should he talk in my language? I might come out and vote. So last thing I'll say, another core argument and disagreement. And this is the core argument and disagreement. The core argument and disagreement is whether or not you should create a voter or whether or not you should influence a voter. That's a car. Some people will say, hey, get people who agree with you to go out and vote. I understand that. But what kind of flies in the face of the argument that you're making is that America elected Barack Obama twice, then Donald Trump, then Joe Biden, then Donald Trump again. So that means that there were certainly, certainly people who voted for Barack Obama twice and then voted for Donald Trump. And not just a handful of them, millions of them. There were certainly people who voted for Joe Biden and then voted for Donald Trump. And not just a couple of people, a lot of them. So if that phenomenon is either to you, if that phenomenon is a fringe phenomenon, then you can ignore that and just move on to something else. The problem is it's not. And pretending like it's not all the time, not even having a conversation robustly about what it actually is, is the reason why the the center left keeps losing because I want to listen to something real quick. Chuck Schumer said out of his mouth, what did he say? Do you remember what Chuck Schumer said about the rule, the rule voter? No, no, no. Chuck Schumer said we can afford to ignore the rule voters in parts of America that like have rural people living in them because we can run up the score with the suburban voters, with we can double the sub our presence with the suburban voters that that might have not loved us before, but we can make more of them. He was wrong. And so like he legitimate, he was wrong. He was wrong. Those voters are more sophisticated and they demand a more sophisticated candidate. So a lot of times it's easier to turn them off. What happened was Democrats lost their speaking mechanism to rural voters and people like they come from where I come from all on all and now they can't speak to it. And so like that, the strategy that you're actually talking about in my opinion, and I'm to the left of all of these guys, it actually was tried and it did not work. I just I don't I don't think so. And I think every election year is different and every candidate is different. And so the thing is is that in some years, the Democrat, the Democrat candidate is somebody who they've never voted for before at that scale. There could have been a lot of voters. They were like, I don't want to see a black woman up there, which I now I've been more interested in having to argue me about whether a black person should run a person again, which I don't think, but but that that person may look at Kamala and be like, well, I'm definitely not voting for no woman and a woman who doesn't have biological children and and also who used to date Willie Brown and also she won't speak out against for a Palestine, you know, she won't speak she won't she won't speak to the abuses of those people. So every year is different. And so again, of course, that people that some years, they're like turned off by wokeism or whatever, but they're also years that the people that would be convinced on other sorts of less inspired to come out and vote. And like they would if you spoke to their desires and the kind of politics they want to hear about, that's all I'm saying. And again, I understand that this is probably more fantasy, but I feel like we've tried the other way. It hasn't well, we're in hell right now. Things are going really poorly. I feel like we try. We try. We try, we try. The way we try. Left, right. Like the, you know, almost like the kind of centrist type of argument that we don't want to offend them poor people over there in North and in Iowa or who tried it? A floor. Try that. We tried. We tried that. Who tried that? Who tried that? Kamala. I don't think I don't think, I don't think I don't think I don't think they were like over. You know, you know, who's it left this? You know, do you know, no, they never would like us. What do we do? We got to get back on time. But what is that fucking sound? Who's talking? Is that also somebody coming in to break in? Oh, but look, you lost control, man. We got lost control of the show. I'll say this. The last thing I say, I just have one wrap up statement and then we'll go to the story of the week after you get the people, the people who, the people who tried that really that, that kind of from a, from a democratic situation, the people who tried that were more like Barack Obama tried that, right? So Barack Obama did Barack Obama rent. I mean, you talk about inclusion, but I mean, like, it was a way. Let's talk about what Barack Obama ran as Barack Obama ran as an anti-gay marriage in immigration hawkish pragmatic arms around you centrist democratic figure. He was, he was seen in order to demonize Barack Obama. They made him look like at that time. Like he was running to the left of AOC, but he didn't, he never did. He didn't at all. And neither did Bill Clinton. Everybody is followed by a different depending on who the candidate is. The candidate. I understand with nobody. I understand what Obama. Hey, hey, hey, Joe, I get it. But what I'm telling you right now, he also ran one of the greatest campaigns of all time. But what I'm telling you is if you're talking about policy, that's a separate conversation. Like because if I'm not talking about not having the conversation about like reallocating the wealth of police budgets and talking about how we can re-invest that into neighborhoods and into cities, I'm never going to stop talking about that. I'm never going to stop saying defund the police, but this is the last thing I'll say. I'll tell you that when I went back to Baton Rouge and I said it to my mother and my grandmother, they said, you don't know where the fuck we at. They said, you come from here and you come back here and you try but we need the police around here. And we don't like that. That's what they said. And so when I went back to where I'm from, I thought, you know what we should do? We should think of a way. I'm not going to stop saying defund because that's what I believe. But I also understand that I'm not talking about the leftist crazies and people like that, or the excuse me, the maggot right crazies or people like that. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about people who I know, people who I love, people who marched and did all of that stuff. And they were like, hey, Ben, guess what? We feel safe with the police around here. I looked at them and I have to have conversations with them, conversations with my people about why they're not safer, about why police presence, I honestly and actually is something that keeps us in the cyclical nature of mass incarceration. Have to have all of those conversations over here. But absolutely, but it does not mean though, it does not mean that from a rhetorical sense, I'm not going to learn lessons that it seems like the left is slow to learn a election cycle after election cycle after election cycle and just say, hey, we're not doing anything wrong. It's just that sometimes the evil people win. That's just not going to work. I'm going to leave it on this and then take we can move on. I know those same kind of people. One of them is my mom, love her, have those conversations and I just refuse to conceive the rhetorical argument because I think we're always doing that and it doesn't, I don't, I don't think the other side is work. But again, we, you know, I get what you're saying. I just don't think that what I'm saying is is pie in the sky. It's not I'm to the left of you and I know that because you support capital, you support so much capital. So I'm to the left of you, but but what I will say though is I'm not going to like, he's not my dog, but that's my guy. It's my guy. Hey, you know what? By the way, that's my guy and I'll tell you something else. He's tired. I could put you on blast. I could put you on blast with some of that. You know what happened? Go ahead. I'm just realizing. I'm just realizing I'm just realizing that Brian had Tim Miller on the press box and never thought for a second to ask me to be in that interview. They probably saw you with me and Tim are you on the time? You want those say shit? I said it to Tim. I want to look back into it. It was a different thing. That was different. That was different. It never came up on Paul's show, but that's fine. Next time, you got him next time. Yeah, he hasn't been going to talk about Jesse Jackson, man, I was going to talk about Jesse. One last thing. A person can always be smart, but people are always stupid. So anytime you're trying to speak to people, you know, that's always I feel like a tough game. So trying to speak to people is tough speaking to a person that always works out. Let's get the story of the week. Texas Tex, Joey McGuire said he's called Abilene Christian and Texas state in efforts to schedule Texas. And we talked about Sark's comments last week about how he was talking about, you know, Texas tech, easiest schedule, the twos and threes can go undefeated with their schedule. And Joey McGuire said, I heard what he said. And now I'm calling his bluff, we are trying to play them in a week one van. Do you like this behavior from Joey McGuire, because I do. I want to hear Joel on this. Love it. But I want to hear Joel on this, Joel is special, I want to hear Joel on this. He's not a fine bombing. Oh, no, because this is the type of shit that you fuck with. Okay. Well, look, I mean, I do think Steve Sarkieson and the long horns are being some hoes. You talk to your shit. They offered you to fade and you declined it. Okay. But the most important thing that is outrageous, outrageous, I'm fucking sick of Texas talking like it's Alabama. I want to give you some trivia. Texas joined the big 12 in 1996 final season was in 2023. How many conference championships do you think the long horns won in this league where their twos and threes could go undefeated today? How many championships do you think they won over that stretch? I'm going to go five. Four. They won the first and the last ones and they won one with Vince Young and they won another with Coach McCoy. If Oklahoma is popping this shit, I probably could live with it. They legit ran to big 12 and they were the standard. If you were going to be the motherfucker and the big 12 in that era, you had to be Oklahoma. But who the fuck is Steve Sarkieson talking to? I mean, like, let me, let me, let me, first, I mean, to say nothing of the fact that CCU won eight of the last 12 games against Texas before they ran the ass out to the SEC. They were 12 and seven against Kansas state in the big 12 11 and 18, six and six versus West Virginia. Think about how many coaches they have there. They're two and four all time against BYU like, what, who do y'all think y'all are, bro? You were in the big 12. You had plenty of opportunities to do so and you had all the advantages then. You could stack your rosters. You could offer more shit because they couldn't play the play, pay the players and when all the odds were stocked in your favor, you won four championships over 27 years. So I just don't want to hear that shit. So you look, you could have won the big 12. You could have run it with your 2s and 3s. You dummies. What happened in the, in the, in the playoffs a year ago when Kenny Dillingham and Arizona state, the champion of that league that you're dissing was a fourth down conversion in double time, double overtime away from beating the best longhorn team in years. So again, I just like people like it, that's why I don't concede to argument again because Texas things they can pop this shit like I don't know who they are, but I know who you are dog. You're eight and four against TCU's in the big 12 air, okay? So like you can't, you can't do that with me. I'm not falling for that magic. The everybody else gets fooled by. So can I just say that this is another argument that you seem to be making for Billy Gill's flex idea? Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I was thinking that man. And he's right. Where is Billy? Oh. Wow. Where's Billy today? Oh. Oh, we know. Joe, thank you. No way. No, no, no, we're Billy. Jesus. Oh, sweet. He's a sweet. Yeah. He's a sweet fish. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So we should have told people at the top of the show that Billy won't be here because they stopped bitching about it in the comments. Well, I had to watch his whole episode to see if Billy was going to be here. And he wasn't here. He wasn't here. It was Billy. What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you, Joe? What's wrong with you, doc? What's your problem? What's your problem? We ain't going through a character that went for the smoke and now Joe is leaned all the way in. Yeah, wait, everybody. Wait. Are you all having said, you know, that, uh, what? Van, what was your? What was your? Van's. I love that. Oh, Texas. I love this. Yeah. Like, to me, uh, I agree with you. Like, I agree with the fact that, and I agree, honestly, that if Texas don't decide that they want to play Texas, Texas is pussy. That's right. That's right. Yeah. I mean, for straight up, if right now, you can't do that, you can't call somebody's hands and then turn it down. Right. Now, if you want to, if somebody, if you want to turn it down, if you want to go around turning shit down, turn it down, if you want to turn it down, but you specifically can't call somebody's hands, then turn it down. If I'm sarkeesian, I'm like, fucking, let's line it up. I'm looking for a way to get this gameplay. I know it's bullshit in L.A., but at least I'm coming out acting like I want to get the gameplay. Right. Since you said what you said, you can't call somebody's hands and turn the shit down. You can't do that. It's rules of engagement. He shot first and then they're ready to shoot back. And now he's like, oh, no. I'm trying to do that. Yeah. Yeah. There's just some ocean. I mean, stereotypical. Oh shit. Well, I would expect it from that program. It's just. I mean, who the fuck do you think L.A., I mean, again, we've seen you man. All this shit you popping now, you had almost 30 years to prove that you were who you say you are. It just felt like a very strange thing for sarke to do. But I do think he was in an SEC setting. So he kind of had the SEC propaganda around him. He started feeling himself a little bit, decided to call out the big 12. You're not curving someone. You're not necksaving. I don't know. I don't know. I'm going to win some first. I don't want some. Mike Leach is on the 2027 college football Hall of Fame ballot. And that also features Cam Newton and RG3. Pretty good ballot, right, fan? You look at those names. I do. I think it's a great ballot. I'm looking forward to Coach Leach's contributions to college football to be recognized. He was like a signature staple in college football. I think RG3 is a no brainer. It's good. It's a good group. We've had a competition before. What makes a college football Hall of Fame? Obviously, if you win the Heisman, you're into the college ball. Well, not always. Okay. Who's not in it? He's not in it. That's a great point. You know what? I think maybe every Heisman is that. I don't know. Let me see if Eric Crafters is in the Hall of Fame. Eric Crafters. I would assume if you would. What a Heisman trophy. Yeah. Yeah. I know. But I'm just saying everybody ain't treated the same. Everybody don't hold on. But you're probably right. He was officially inducted to the college Hall of Fame. It's part of the class of 2020. Okay. Yeah. If you win a Heisman trophy, I would expect that you would make the college ball ball. I feel like if you win any of those awards, Maxwell Award, Ray Guy Award, Belitant Calf, whatever it is, I think if you win as the best player in your position, you're proud. Oh, I'm looking it up because I was looking it up earlier about like what the standard is. And yes, like if you're all American on a first team all American on like a recognized team, you know, that makes you eligible. As well. And there's a couple of other things that that whatever like man Tai Tai, I will be in. Oh, yeah. Bro, this is like we undersold how crazy this class is. I'm a though. Alan Fanica. Troy Edwards. Oh, Alan, Alan. Alan. Alan Falken. The best from Janet Kowski. Wow. Marshawn Lynch. Cote McCoy. Kellen Moore. Blindside himself. Michael Orr. Patrick Peterson. And Antoine Randall L. Sammy Watkins. I don't know but there's so many people that are on this ballot that yeah, I just, I don't, I don't, I would, I would be inclined to put everybody on there just by looking at the name. But you are probably in a few years. Yeah. I mean, I think pop man, I just like if he had only done it in one of the two schools, I'd say one thing. But to do it at both schools at a traditional dorm, that's what elevates this case to me. But about Mike Leach, man, that, you know, the foundation basically changed the rules to include Leach on the ballot because the barrier for entry used to be that the winning percentage had to be like 60% and Leach was like 59.6% something like that. And so that they lowered it to five, 59.5% to basically he could be able to get in there. I think Jackie Cheryl is another guy. And I mean, the thing is, that's just one of those things, but sometimes record is deceiving because his influence on the game is just crazy. Like it's hard to talk about the last 20 years of college football without talking about Mike Leach, man. Yeah. The era had changed everything. Also, the best interview after a game before a game at any point, Mike Leach. Well, Mike Leach, Mike Leach once talked to me for three hours until 2 a.m. in the morning. He talked about his group chat with his old BYU rugby guys, and he was telling me about how he met a dude named Pete and a piece of parlor in downtown, Pao Alto. And he was like, yo, we were, every time we get together, we made fun of this red-headed guy that ran for it organ and we called him Pete. And he was like, man, I wonder what happened to Pete. He spent like 40 minutes telling me that story over and over again, just, I mean, just one of the easy, and every national college football writer has a story like that with Mike Leach. Oh, I'm sorry, Mike, Mike Leach, he's just one of a kind man and just the character alone at the schools he had to win at. Like, watch Washington State, Mississippi State, Texas Tech, those are all schools that have historically been hard to win it. So yeah, man, we got to get Mike Lee shit there, bro. He also walked to a campus while he was at Wazoo. So like there are all these stories about like he would be walking in campus. It was like Forest Gump when he was running around the country and then people started following him. Like Mike Lee, to just have like people caravanning behind him, you know what I mean is he walked the campus. So have y'all ever been to Poland and Washington before? I have. I have not. Really? If that is you've been? Most remote. Yeah. Three times. I did a profile on Gardner Menshu. I covered Mike Leach's class that was on. Great college game day game. Justin Herbert was Menshu. Yeah, man. Dustin Menshu. The mustache, bro. Yeah. It was a real fine profile in Gardner. I got real good access to him. But yeah, man, that is a football school. That's like an SEC football school in the middle of the Pacific Northwest. Like they are die hard fans. I'm not terrible. Ain't much to do up there, bro. This is it. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. In the summer time, like when the hills with the hills are green, you know what I mean? It looks like Rome. That's what I built. Oh, bro. Actually, I was there in winter when there was snow on those same hills. And it was gorgeous. It looked like some Ansel Adams type of shit, like just a beautiful terrain. Also like legendary coaches from out there. George Ravling was there. Mike Price, Roll-Tie, Rome, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Tony Bennett. Yeah. Some incredible characters. So I shout out to Mike Leach. That's a great story. Next up, USC quarterback, Jayne Mayeva tells Pete Neko's, he has quote a lot to prove heading into a senior season and he followed it up. I don't think there's anything I've accomplished yet. I don't even feel the tiniest bit successful yet. Vandy, you like that quote? I do. Because it tells me that that fire is still in your belly and you're regular, you're rare. I always like people saying that they haven't really gotten there yet, even if we know that they kind of really have. But that's what you have to say, because we always want that fire to be burning deep down low. I like it, that barbed me up. Hi, man. Yes. Next up Paul Feinbaum. Wait, I didn't get the same upheld up Jayne Mayeva. Do you care? Do you have anything to say? I did. What did you say? I'm sorry. It's not that much to be honest. I was going to say that scene's fear. I mean, but it didn't seem like you had much to say. Yeah. So I was kind of overselling, you know what I'm saying, but whatever you think he was overselling it. Well, he is, but also, he was overselling it. Yeah. Okay. Next up, Paul Feinbaum, Joel's guy, one of his favorites. He came out and said he is, he's basically ripping the NCAA for denying Texas Techs request for reinstatement for Brandon Sorosby. He basically said that they're the most hypocritical organization in the history of mankind and said that he should basically only miss three games instead of the whole season. Joel, I'll go to you first here. This is your guy Feinbaum. Do you agree? I'm fine, but I'm not with Texan about there earlier because you know, I said something very similar last week. I'm just jokingly. My jokes ain't going. I ring it off. Would you agree? Would you agree with that? I said that. Do you want to show if he said that? Would you say what? Would you say what? Would you say what? If you were on a show and he said this to you, would you agree? You know what? I agreed up until a few days ago and I rethought this because man, there's really only a few hard and fast rules to sports and athletics, man, and it's like you kind of can't, can't bet on your team, you know, like you can't, you can't bet. You can't bet. Yeah. And like, and they, I mean, the evidence that came out at the hearing was that he'd been, he bet it. He was betting when he was a Cincinnati and he was betting at Texas Tech up until recently and that he only stopped because they found out that they had, you know, investigating it. And again, I, that is, to me, that does suggest that he has a problem. Yeah, maybe he is an addict and needs to get out for it because he couldn't bet in Texas but he was sending out his fix to people in other states to make sure that it seems like it was a compulsion. He had to do it. Yeah. And again, but you know, and that is really sad and I hope he gets help for it. But I kind of get like if you can't, the NCAA has to hold a lot of somewhere and if he doesn't play, again, I, you know, they just can't let him play cause football anymore, man. That sometimes there are things that you do that can end your career and it, it's happened to a bunch of guys who got on to have great NFL careers. And so he still has a whole, his whole life ahead of them, but I actually rethought that man. And it's, and it's not just because Paul agreed with me last week. So then you, what made you rethink it though? Cause it, you know, it's like for you, you always, you're so draconian and everything that you believe. What? Come on. What? What? Like, I've never heard you change your mind before like what? I change my mind all the time. So then for him, for him personally, then what's the next step for him? Like what's the next step for this guy? It seems as if he's going to be made an example of, in terms of gambling for the NCAA, what's the next for Brendan Sores? Be supplemental draft. I know we've talked about that. Yeah. He's trying to find a junction and he's trying to get a basic court to rule that he can play at some level. But, you know, a lot of, a lot of litigation has, I mean, I'm sure he wants a piece of that six million and he didn't want him to go in the draft through the supplemental way. But, you know, I, I was kind of dubious about his pro prospects and then shout out, Quincy Avery hit me up and was like, no, man, some NFL teams would be interested in him. He's got good size. He said he thought he was a fourth best prospect in the draft and at the most athleticism, even over like Taylor. For next season or for this class? For this past class. And he was like, he, people are really interested in him. So some teams will spend a pick on him and, and give him a look. So, yeah, you know, so I, he's not, he can go on and have an NFL career. But I just have him, the arguments to people were making about like the reasons you kind of have to hold the line on that stuff, you know, you have to make a punitive. So that people don't think that they can do that, you know, he needs to be made an example of unfortunately. Or you got, or they just got to apply the rules as they always are and just, you know, move on, move on and rule them in eligible and he can go onto the supplemental draft. So, yeah. They have it. Yeah. Next up. Dragon. Yeah. Very draconian. Yeah. Very draconian. You know, you, uh, Ole Miss head coach Pete Golding tells, uh, basically, I think it was Chris Lowe that he never considered leaving for LSU and Lane Kiffin and here is the quote. And so it's, and she said, that's not why I came here. This had been going on for two years where the lane was going to leave even the Florida talk the year before I was like, Hey, bro, I love you. Don't get it twisted. I didn't come here for you in quote, do you believe Pete Golding, man? Uh, no, but do you think he was asked to go? He was asked to go. Okay. I don't know that Pete Golding, because if I was to believe this, then what I'm being willing to believe is that it's Pete Golding's dream to have a job at Ole Miss. And the reason why I don't believe that is because I don't know that there's very many college coaches that have a dream school. They have a dream situation, but have a dream school. I mean, I'm sure they're, maybe they're all a modders, but even then, people leave. Yeah. I mean, but like, you know, like you, you, you look at people and they're like, yeah, I would love to get back in coach Notre Dame or I would love to get back in coach Michigan. Like, but like, for most college coaches, it's the situation is the dream, right? And so, but he says I didn't come here for you. The question would be then like, why did you come here? You probably did come there because Lane Kiffin was the head coach there because Lane Kiffin kind of made that job not that Ole Miss doesn't have a football tradition because it does. But Lane Kiffin would have been the reason why people would have followed to Ole Miss in that situation. So, I don't know, it's kind of difficult to believe that he went to Ole Miss for any other reason than the reason that, that Lane Kiffin was the head coach in Ole Miss. Yeah. I mean, I don't, the thing, I mean, Kiffin has shown, I'm out of ears with Bob, I mean, he was hurt. I can't be kicked. Kiffin has shown proof. Why don't you take your glasses, though? Yeah, because they hurt, man. Oh. Oh. Like, there's something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I stopped wearing a mountain of people, though, but anyway, can you see us? It's difficult. Oh. I can't really see even when Van was asking me, what's that on his shirt? I wouldn't know what Deadpool was anyway, but I can't, I can't, I couldn't. You don't even, you don't know who Deadpool is? You don't know who Deadpool is? I know it was a movie. It was a movie, he's a guy. Oh, he's a comic book character. They turned them into it. Okay. All right. Uh. Uh. Kiffin has shown proof of concept and Oxford. It's possible to win and compete for a national championship there. And so. What he did to you freeze it and golden. He earned a lot of notice for having worked for Nick Sabin and, and, uh, Lane Kiffin, but it's not like anybody was talking about him, uh, before a head coaching job is good as old miss. Like I saw that was like, maybe he might go to Arkansas, maybe my go to Memphis. That kind of stuff. But old miss came open. You're damn right. You want to leave. He could, like, it does an opportunity to win there. And they've got, they've shown that they've got the support they're willing to put the money up. And why would he go? And you get one of the best quarterbacks in the country and one of the best running backs in the country coming back to play for you. So that's, uh, a nice hall there. And also he can focus more on the defensive side of the football. That is his forte. So a pretty good spot for peak golden last story of our top five. This is kind of fascinating. NC State had a season opener that was supposed to be in Brazil and now it is being moved to Charlottesville. They're not going to play the international game. This has been in talks for the past couple of weeks from what I've heard, uh, because the logistics and other things involved. But yeah, this game no longer in Brazil. Now we'll be in Charlottesville. People are saying there's a Fogo de Chau, which is about 30 minutes away from Charlottesville that they can go to if they need to have the feeling of Brazil, but pretty strange. The international push seems to be fallen by the wayside, a little bit van. Do you read into this at any level? - Yeah, the international push to me for college football is always misplaced to me. So international push is nothing. The NFL is having a hard enough time translating this very directly American sport, both by rule and culture to an international fan base. Now take that sport, which is difficult to translate to international fan base and make it even more niche. Because now is not the LA fucking Rams that are playing. Now it's the University of Southern California. What the fuck? It's like, it's not a thing. It doesn't even look cool on TV to me. I don't like it. I don't like international college football. It's never going to work. Play the game in fucking Charlottesville. - Man, I'm with it. - Man, is that why you didn't want to go out, man? 'Cause look, man, Joe was going to fire up the fuck. - Man, you know, we still can do that, man. We still can do that. 'Cause I didn't get to go to Sweden, so you know what I'm saying? We could do that. - Yeah, I mean, week zero. You in season two. - Why did you go? Why did you go to Sweden? - Hell, man. - It was sorry to go out. - What's the fucking issue? - No, I don't know if I was supposed to go or not. Probably, but, you know, man, look, I have a lot of shit to do with y'all, man. Y'all ask me, is it bad? Is it bad for us that you didn't know? Is it bad for the show? - To travel, to travel. - What the hell is going on, man? I mean, I just go to Sweden, what's the deal? I just kind of, it just kind of passed me back to be honest. You know what, and also, real shit. My assistant doesn't have access to my work. - What's the story? - That's a very, and I wonder if she is here. - I would have given it more consideration. - Hold on, hold on, hold on. Are you saying that in some way, you couldn't go to Sweden? - Is it an obligation or a consideration? - I think it's a strong consideration. Like, you really should probably go. I haven't been to Sweden yet at all, 'cause I think it's supposed to go pretty soon after you get hired, and I couldn't have gone then, 'cause our baby was a few months old. And it's tough, man, you know what I'm saying? I gotta be here to take care of it. You know, again, when you all call me away, that's really hard. We had to do a move a lot of shit around to fill in me when I'm not here, though. - Well, go ahead and box out some time for, like, I think, third week of August. - I was gonna say, man, you know what? I don't think we're gonna do it. - Now, I'm prepared. - I think we are. - Oh, we definitely do it. - I'll raise Billy anyway. - By the way, it doesn't matter, but I know there's this guy. So I wanna say something about somebody who I'm really proud of. Back in the day, I did a story, and the story was about a kicker on UCF's team who left the college football team to be a YouTuber. - Okay. - Oh yeah! - Right, and so I did that story, and I met that guy during that time. And he has gone on, 'cause during that time, leaving anything to do YouTube and social media and all of that stuff was like such a crazy idea. Even at that time, it was a crazy idea. He has gone on to become one of the most gigantic sports YouTubers, YouTubers period. His name is Destroying. Do you guys know who I'm talking about? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. You ever destroy him? - Yeah, so he's-- - Two E's, right? - Two E's. - Yeah, two E's. So I actually did that story. - Oh shit, that was you. - That was you. Contacted him, talked to him the whole night, and I see his videos going crazy. I just watched one of his videos this past weekend when there was a kid who hadn't had a hot shower in two years that was out there around people up in Arizona for like $10,000 and something like that. That's the kind of stuff that one on one is that Destroying does. I want him to actually help us with the ringer of a field day. I want him to help us with the, 'cause they had, they had Wishing Man from the 49ers out there, do it all player for the 49ers. I know I'm sorry. - Oh, Divo. - No, Divo. - He had Divo. - He was saying the same thing. - He got two. They had Divo's Samuels out there. They had David Napier out there. I want to do this for the ringer field day, but half the people could be like destroying people who actually are good athletes and the other half could be just like. - I should have stopped for the field day. - I mean, he made me a believer, man. - Yeah. - I don't think we got to pull it off. I don't think we're gonna successfully make that happen in the time. - 'Cause you don't want it to happen. - You don't want it to happen. - I'll raise Billy in the street in front of the office. That's not a problem. - That's not a field day. - But I don't care, I mean, but this all started because you all would do be a sort of the idea that I could be Billy in a foot race. I'm a racing and then that'll be the point. Now, if we do anything else, field day, that'll be great. I'll make sure to bring my cleats on some shorts. - We're doing the field day. - You know what I'm supposed to get into it. - Austin, dad, fitness, pro, you know what I'm saying? He getting me right. You know, I'm, look, man. - The nutrition matters. It's not just the workout. - Oh yeah, the nutrition. No, look, man. I'm telling you, bro. I'm, I'm, I'm good at it. - That's awesome, though. - Also, I'm thinking, you know what? 'Cause I'm not about taking any PEDs. So, you know, if the one of them shot, if you take PEDs, it doesn't count. - No. - No, no, no, no. - That's not, I don't think so. - If you take any sort of performance in hand. - Well, I'll be the blockers. - Would a GLP1 count as a performance enhancing? - No, all of that's in it. - All right, there you go, there you go. - I thought you were talking about like steroids. - Oh man, if I, again, I'm gonna put out my call for HGH plug in the DMV. - If you have anabolic steroids in your system. - Yeah, if you got it, hit your boy up. 'Cause I'm not above it, man. I've actually, what I've heard from people, it's like HGH has said, it's just like great. Like your skin is amazing, like your hair. - Oh, the whole shit, like, it's a problem with it though. - I thought I'd be a lost hair with that. Their hair gets bigger. - It grows everything inside of it. So if you have any tumors in your shit, it grows the fucking tumor. So you gotta go get a hole for a body scan before you do it. - Yeah, that's good. - I would do that. I mean, I would be willing to do that, you know what I'm saying? - Last thing I wanted to hit before we do our parting shots, ring your tailgate field day is happening. Beef of the week, last thing I just wanted to check in, temperature check here, Joel versus Jay-Z fans. Joel has been on Threads going after Jay-Z fans. He's saying Rocco Fella, Roc Nation is paying for these trolls. And Joel, what's your beef with Jay-Z? And what is your real beef with their fans? - I don't have any beef with Jay-Z. Jay-Z is one of the greatest rappers of all time. I have all his albums. I know most of his songs. I'm a big fan of Jay-Z, the rapper musician. And the problem is that, and I'm still, I can't mean for money. And so there's still people writing under those comments under ninth wonder and Fat Joe who are complaining about what we're saying about Jay-Z, which I'm just wondering if Fat Joe are complaining? - Yeah, remember when I told you they were, - You and I and Wonder have a beef. I think we have to get them on the beef. - Yeah, well, y'all talk to a ninth wonder. - Y'all talk, I don't have a problem with ninth wonder. We talked about this already. Y'all said, "Y'all will go reach out to him." And again, 'cause y'all will fall off on nothing. Y'all not gonna talk to him. Y'all not gonna fall off on this either. What if we talk to him? - We're gonna reach out to him. - You know what I'm saying? Just think about all the people. He might race you on field day. - We don't fall off on nothing, man. So I'm not worried about it. I'm not worried about it. But what were we talking about? - Jay-Z, you're- - Oh, yeah, Jay-Z. Yeah, I love Jay-Z, but it's, I mean, - But last week you took shots of Drake. - You're saying. - His show, it's his thing. He needs to grow up and see the immature, that you understand his music. So you would think by saying that you would be on Jay-Z's side, right? At least that's how I would view it. - Oh, I'm not on anybody. - But then I get on threads this week and you're attacking Jay-Z fans. And I'm like, what side is Joe alone? - Well, I mean, the thing is, again, the fans are annoying. I guess I'm, I might be a person against all fans, you know, just when I think about it. - I mean, there's a site called Only Fans, and I'm against all fans. Because I just don't come, did I like that? - Was I getting it? - Yeah, come on, man. - All right, anyway, all right. But, I mean, the thing is, is that, I mean, I don't know what to hear. I was trying to think about, who would I get on the internet for? Like, which celebrity is sports star? And I'll be like, you know, like Bonita but trail. You bet, nobody says a bet, and I say nothing about Miss Jenkins. - You know, doing some shit like that. - You know, you're the number one, - What? - I mean, you know what I'm saying? That people are coming to me, "Who are you going to say something about Jay-Z?" Oh, oh, you got enough. You know what I'm saying about no Jay-Z. I'm like, what the fuck is your problem, man? You're a grown man, dog. You're a grown man. You think your grandfather would be proud of you going on the internet, riding that niggas, just like God. - It's embarrassing. And so, yeah, so everybody knows that there's a joke about him wearing a fucking wig. What that hair is? We don't, look, I know people said they allegedly turned up the people that I twisted his braids, whatever. And they say, "No, that's his real hair." But there's a real question out there about whether or not that's a lace front joint. - That's not a real question about that at all. - And it was a joke. And I put it out there on threads and then people got maybe your mom won't want one. Maybe you want one for your mom? And I'm like, I was like, you got on the internet, bro. Like you have access to all this information. You can talk to whoever you want to. And that's what you want it to say to me. I'm just trying to get my shit off one three. It's, bro, you know what I'm saying? I'm following you three. - So you just try to crack jokes and you're saying that these people are too sensitive. - Just have some fun, just have a little fun. I mean, I like to begin with the other way. You know what it is? Threes is going to get on my nerves because remember when I got into them fight with them people from Boston? I mean, I came out that all was on threes, you know? But I think I don't know if it's bots or it's just like people are trying to recreate the fill in a Twitter and 2014. But, you know, they want to start fighting with strangers. I'm like who, yo, yo, what did you say about Jay-Z? No, he talks about real shit. Did you not listen to where I'm from? - You know, that kind of shit, 444 was amazing. You know, like, you say he's a billionaire. You never made a billionaire. You never made a billion dollars watching by listening to you. - Okay, what is it? - I got it here, darling. Are you saying that you don't understand why people have such an affinity for Jay-Z, why they're such Jay-Z fans? There's nobody, there's nobody that you would defend like that is what you're saying. - No, I was trying to think about it. Do you think is responsible for the advancement of more black people? Warm moon and Jay-Z. Warm moon or Jay-Z? - Yeah, warm moon and Jay-Z. - Think about it. I don't think about it. One of the first full time, starting quarterbacks in the NFL. - That show that they created a whole generation of athletes that believed. - Also, incredible girls. - A starting black quarterback could thrive in the league. And that just in college, the whole shit changed and warm moon was in the forefront of Jay-Z. - So, okay, this is okay. So this is a great question. This is the type of shit that we should be doing. All right, this is what I'll say. - Okay. - So Jay-Z is influential in so many different spheres, though. - Yeah. - So he's influential with business acumen. He's influential or rap. And then, as much shit as I've said about rock nation and I've said a lot of shit 'cause of the way I felt like rock nation dealt with the Colin Kaepernick thing, people can get mad at whatever. I also do know a lot of activists, a lot of activists. I know a lot of activists. And those activists will tell you a lot of them that when they need to be built out of jail, when they needed like legal representation, some of them when they needed, no, they're rent paid or to be sponsored 'cause you gotta go places. That money would come from Jay-Z and Beyonce. So if you're talking about the advancement of that, I'm not saying that there's not some cynicism there. I'm not saying that they haven't worked with people who I would not like for them to work with or that there hasn't been sometimes that capitalism has overshadowed what some of the stuff that they've done and what it's amounted to. I'm not saying any of that, but I am saying that that is still influence in that sphere. And if you talk to those people, people who are good people who lead the marches who go to the things who went to jail and all of that, they'll tell you how much the organization has done for them. So I don't know. I'd have to know more about war moons accolades. - Okay, yeah, well here's the thing is that I'm glad, and look, I'm amazed it would Jay-Z manage to take from just having an extraordinary gift with words because that's what rap is at the end of the day. And it's an extraordinary gift for words and wordplay and melody and everything else. Like he's gonna go down as one of the greatest musicians ever and raising to flip that and become a billionaire, right? And then like marrying to a family that has two billionaires. That is amazing. That is an inspiring story. I mean, I can't have a critique of things he's done and not done and now he's treated people a lot. - No, no, no, no. - I went back to the war moan thing, that's fun. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no wait, so any, oh yeah, my bad. I'm sorry, yeah, you right. - You right. - Well anyway, I'm a Jay-Z fan and I'm just saying about war moan. And again, I was kind of joking. It's a joke, you know what I'm saying? I mean, I thought, man, war moan's done a lot of shit, man. He was, you know, forefront of a lot of charities and he was the man and you, you know, he did a lot of work. - I bet, I bet. - Yeah, he did. I'm looking up his, yeah, he does the Ronald McDonald House. I mean, man, you know, he was a very influential guy, man. - Cisic Fibrosis Foundation American Art Association. - This was the question. Guys, I don't like this type of shit. The question was, this was the question guys. The question was always more meaningful, influential to black people, war moan with Jay-Z. And then the statement was made that war moan. (laughing) - Hey, man, Ro Moon got a compelling story as well. - Joe, Joe is your final answer. - In the city of war moan. - His dad died when he was seven years old, man. He was the middle child amongst six. So he had to fight and claw. He didn't come easy for war moan. - Well, he also played in the CFL before he got to. - He played in the CFL. One of the greatest, maybe the greatest Canadian football of war moan. - Eskimos. - What team was he on? - Edmonton, Edmonton Eskimos. They're now the Edmonton. It's something else because you know Eskimos. They had to change that. But yeah, man. I know that Jay-Z does a lot of great work and I'm inspired by his gifts and the wealth and the life he's built for him. So I just still have some critiques of it. And I think it's okay for me to critique him a public. And if you come on there, acting like a whole, you know what I'm saying? I'll be holding it. Jay-Z, you got, he saved me his life. You know, it comes so shit like that. I just, I think that's weird, you know. But I guess, you know, my grandfather will probably be looking at me like why are you just putting words into, you spend so much time on this phone and with words. Why don't you get out and chop a tree of some shit. So, you know, I guess we all kind of hose it at the end of the day. - All right, that's a nice message there. We're all kind of hose at the end of the day. - We all hose at the end of the day. - With that on a t-shirt, that's nice. All right, there you have it. Band any parting shots for the people? Hell no, yeah, that's a lot of pod right there. Y'all got all kinds of shit. That's a lot of pod right there. Shout out to y'all, man. - For the off season, I mean, my goodness, we hit everything. We went all the way through the spectrum there. Joel, any parting shots? - No, man. - All hose. - I think y'all will all hose. Check out the press box, man. I'm going to be on there. - Are you plugging your other shit out? - Yeah, man. - A lot of guys, you know what I'm saying? We gonna be, Brian's going to check in from sweeping. Like, it's just, it's that important. And we don't even talk about California, man. 'Cause, bro, I know where I got to go. We got to have a match. It's like, it's been so pret ends up being a y'all mayor. I don't know how I feel about that is a city that I should be moving to. - Well, we need you out here for another vote. - That's about to be a tough one, bro. I don't know. So anyway, keep listening to me. That's a developing story. - Yeah, you know, not to bring up NOS at the end of this, but signs of the times, Joel. You know what I mean? That's where we are these days, but always bring it in, bro. I appreciate it. Shout out to everybody for tuning in to Regatta News. - Warm news from LA. - Damn, all right, it takes everybody for tuning in. I hope they can go look up Warren Moon and Jay-Z and figure out who you would actually ride with on that debate. But we'll discuss that. I'd a later day to appreciate everybody tuning in to the show. And we will see you all next Wednesday. 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