E503 Psychic String Dixie Cups and a Christineception

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It was two carabiners and a Dixie cup string or something crazy like that. It's a song where you have to have Dolly Parton on the nails and you have to play the spoons on your lap. You know? Right. And there's got to be, I mean, the last thing you said was-- Two things and a Dixie cup string. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Oh, okay. And the thing was that the first, the last thing you said before I hit said, we got to record this for posterity sake is, I thought I had a banjo and I was like, holy shit. This is really something that we're creating here. Or like, you know those guitars that were like made out of like washboards like those metal? Do I? Yeah. Absolutely. All right. You're in Kentucky. I'm sorry. I live in Kentucky, first of all. So put some respect on that. Everyone's got one long pinky nail just for when they run across a washboard guitar. For strumming. Yeah. For strumming. Yeah. And I feel like that had a whole stringle hold on like we ask instruments and music, you know, so it's really making I come back. I think it might be an anniversary or something because I've seen a lot of people dressing up as them lately and like, like, the-- Seriously? Like an adult is lunette. Yeah. And then like, they're baby that they have to hold as Molly. Oh, I was gonna say it should be a dust bunny. Oh. I'm not gonna be cute. I literally wanted to squish them like from Lenny, like from the fucking mouse thing. I don't know who I think I am. I don't-- and of course, and in my mind, I think they were just genderless, but I really thought, like, oh my god, they're like my first bad boys, you know, like, shut the fuck up. I love this lore. It's good. Were they not bad boys? Like, they like-- I was into it and I was like, well, they scare me a little bit. Yeah. It was like, whoa, they're like not listening to the rules. Yeah. They're mysterious. And it was like, I'm so turned-- I'm so turned on. And so I was like, I'll hear you out over dinner. Both of you at the same time, you know what I mean? Oh! And then I went to kindergarten. Yeah. And then you got into Barney and thought you were Barney and everything else was kind of lost, yeah. Well, I lost-- I lost touch with the dust bunnies and I went, well, something new has to happen here. The dodgeable is what I'll say, you know? They are-- they're like the bad boy-- Oh, shit. --back alley twins who, like, they-- they drive you fucking nuts. Like, they'll leave you in a shriveled ball, for sure. Oh, and then they're so charming. You, like, they're the first-- they're the first boys you, like, listen to music of course. And you-- yeah, and you think you can, like, change them, you know? And it's like-- I do know. I didn't know. I thought I could. Up. There's still under the couch. Those dust bunnies. Yeah. This was my heart. Oh. I don't need an internet. It's only I had a spoon. I actually just read-- I just bought, like, spoons, like, the wooden-- like, you'd give us some Chachki gift. Wait, wait, wait, wait. You're saying not utensils. You're saying you literally bought-- I bought, like, musical spoons. The instruments. Yeah. Where it's, like, two spoons, like, morph together. I'm like, how do you, like, if only I had a banjo, and I'm like, you literally have musical spoons. I do. For a fucking banjo song. I also have, like, a pan flute or something, and a tin pipe. I'm really collecting them. I don't know how to play this thing. I got two dixie cups in a string, or what the fuck would we say earlier? What are we doing? What were we discussing, by the way, when we said that? Sure. You're not leashes. Oh, I'm said the most profound thing. Em said, oh, then they said, is it really a leash? We're talking about leash kids, right? And Em was like, is it really a leash if both of you are tethered to one another? And I was like, ah, that's so deep. And then we discussed, like, the dixie string-- well, I don't know what the dixie cups on a string or something. I don't remember anymore. I remember anymore. Are you really two carabiners in a string, and I was like, holy shit, that's what's tying them together, you know? It can also be powerful. Very quickly turned into, like, a U-Haul lesbian poem. Well, the second you said carabiner, I was like, we're getting somewhere. And it's like-- My carabiner's tied to your carabiner. Lairn, no matter where it goes. Lairn, whether or not we need the U-Haul. You're my leash kid. Ugh. I saw a-- there's like online, I don't know them, but I wish I did there. I saw a lesbian wedding and their getaway car was a U-Haul truck and I went, no, that's good. Fucking funny. Fucking good. That's fucking good. I know. I know. I know. I like how you said they're getaway carabiner. Isn't that what it's called when you-- I think so. I guess. I mean-- Because you get away from everyone so you can kiss for the first time, because it's like, you know, security. For the first time ever. Yeah. And the lesbians are really pure or so. Right. Well, yeah, exactly. They're waiting to move in for merit, you know? That's the whole thing. Right, right, right. I've never thought twice, I always assume if I had a getaway car it'd be a delorean. Certainly. I wouldn't be. But I mean, now that I know a U-Haul truck is an option, and then they hired like a photographer to take pictures of them, like it was like professional pictures of them in their wedding dresses, making out in the U-Haul truck, and that was so good. I mean, that's so good. Not that's good. Now, that's got to be framed above the mantle. Like really? Like, I'm saying it. Stacked. Stacked. That's exactly right. Oh, Christine, why do you drink? Why do you drink? Oh, well, my coffee just arrived. I got my coffee from Paris Baguette. Oh. Do you have that there? It's like a chain. I have nothing else. But yeah, so I got my iced hazelnut latte with almond milk. And it was like expensive AF, and I was like, I forgot how much I've been making a lot of coffee in my little queues in our coffee maker, and sometimes I'm still a little startled by the price of a fucking latte in Kentucky, but you know, that's the world we live in. So I got that. And then why do I drink? I drink because I'm just like, okay, so you know how I slice my hand open, and then I super glued it together, and that was really silly of me, and which I'm fully on your fucking side about that. Thank you. Here's the first one. It's the first one. It's all I've heard so far is the men in your life are causing trouble. That's what I mean. They are just not understanding. And then I was like, I can't get stitches, I'm going that's very clear about this. Well, you know, folks, it's a thing with a serrated knife where I tried to cut a piece of stale bread, and I instead cut my entire palm open. Well, okay, my brother said, where are you holding bread like this? I was like trying to like cut it to the side. You know what I mean? Like I was trying to make like a baguette. Well speaking of baguette, I was trying to cut a baguette like in half, a Paris baguette, more like a frozen baguette. I was trying to cut it in half, and somehow that I was just being dumb and like held it stupidly. Like I know better. And it was this really brand new serrated. It was literally from Quinn's. That's not gonna be my next promo. No. They are sharp. Wow. It was fucking sharp. And I tell you what it was serrated. So it was like, and then it was gnarly. And I was like, that's going to bleed. It didn't hurt, but I was like, that's going to bleed real bad. So I like held it above my hand. And let's just say it was like really, really open, okay? And I was like, this is a wound that's really deep, like really deep. And sound like one that like you don't feel pain right away, you just sit there and prepare for it. I walked around like this with like a, I like tied a really tight thing around my hand, like a dish rag and walked around with my hand above my head because I was like, it's going to bleed like nobody's business. And so it was fine. Like I went into full on like, yeah, we go, yeah, yeah, and of course bleed was not home. And then later I showed it to him and he's like, you need stitches and I was like, I've already committed to not doing that, but it was a whole thing because I had to leave the next morning and it was like, it ended up being like nine o'clock at night. And I was like, I don't, I can't go get stitches right now. So anyway, point being, I did heal it up. It's all better now, almost fully healed. My first concern was like if a palm reader took a look and was like, what's your lifeline has cut short? Yeah. You shouldn't be around knives anymore. That's what she would say. And I'd say you're right to say that. But anyway, so that's why I drink, but then today also, so I have a, I'm turning into a real witch. I have a wart on my nose. Actually, I've always had a wart on my nose, but it's been gone for like years and it just reappeared and I made the dumb choice of like picking at it. And so all of a sudden, I'm just like bleeding from my outside of my nose, you know, like not in my nose, but outside. And I was sitting here and I'm like, what does that smell? And I like look in the mirror and I'm just like, believe it, like a bloodhound. What is that? What is that? I'm like, Oh, it's famous. I'm like, literally, there's blood in my nose. And I'm like, what is that? Is that my coffee? Yeah. Anyway, it's fine. I just, I'm like every time I move, I apparently, I'm just injuring myself, but like it's kind of same old, same old. So, you know, got my latte and I'm just kind of shbuckling and fucking rock and roll. And that's that. Why do you drink them? Um, why and what? Uh, I drink, I just drink a little propel, which speaking of propel, propel, I didn't get it until I saw it because I'm apparently like not with it yet, but well, no, hang on, actually while we're at it. Quizynart? Quizynart? Is that wrong? Isn't it like cuisine? Quizynart? No, I think it's Quizynart. Oh, is it? I always thought it was spelled wrong. No, maybe I'm wrong. I mean, I don't, I've never. I've never owned. You know better than me. It is like, Quizyn, but I think it's like, I also like, Quizynart, maybe I'm wrong. I don't think, I don't think you are. I just, I've never heard it that way before. I should have just said I have a coffee, mate. Let's go with that. Yeah. I don't know why. I'm not sure. No, I'm not sure. No, no, no, I'm so glad because after this time, I'm immediately going to Google it because I will be hearing from people if I said it wrong. So, hang on. Let's just stop that now. Actually, why don't you just hear me? Okay. Okay. Well, it's like very, very common. You're right. Quizynart. Okay, a few. That sounds like the wrong way. I think I just probably learned from a Macy's commercial or something, you know. Sure. Like, biosmosis. Mockies? Hmm. You pronounce it Macy's? Hahaha. Can you imagine if I was serious right now? You got me. You got me so good. I was like, what? Quizynart. Wow. Quizynart. I really got me for a moment. Maybe some incredible Quizynart at Mockies. Oh, all right. All right. All right. No, I shouldn't have poked. I wasn't even trying to poke fun. I really didn't know. No, I didn't think you were. I really was like, I could be, because you know that one brand look cruel. Yes. It was the whole thing on my dad wrote a porno where it was like, like, my parents always said, like, well, they said it like, like, Lizzie. And I was like, okay. I'm not going to say that. But I said, like, like, Lizzie. And then on my dad wrote a porno, one of them said, like, Lucruzé, and one of them was like, did you just say La Cruzee? And it became this whole thing. And I remember going, how do you say that? Like it's French, what the fuck? So, "Queen's an art" is probably similar where it's like, how the fuck is that meant to be said? - Yeah, I don't know any more about anything. - Whatever. - Whatever. - I don't know if it's how to pronounce "Carabiner" and "You Hall" apparently. - I mean, get the fucking spoons. (laughs) - I'll show you there. I certainly don't know how to play them, but I guess it's supposed to be incredibly easy. But it's two spoons merged into one, so you like hook it onto your finger, and then you can just do the little, little, little. Oh, cool. - Anyway, I came with a book. I was like, I don't think I need a whole book. - I do, I would like to read that. I'm the nerd reading the book about the spoons. - Well, I drink, I drink my propel from Mockies. And I drink because, I guess I also was having, I mean, I was having tummy troubles this week, and it was really awful. - But he's like having some tummy bug thing. - It was not good. For a second, I was like, I think I have the Neurovirus again. - Like it was, I was horizontal, and then I really tried to rally and record with you. It's Christine cut her hand, and then we had to move this recording, and then I had my tummy stuff, and then we had to move this recording. It's the recording that never happened. - And to get my warts started bleeding, and he went, okay, I can handle this. It's fine. - No, I've just been, I've been going through, and you know what? - Seriously. - I thought, you know, oh, maybe with all I've been through, not that it's important, but to me it would just be a nice little bonus, if like a perk out of all this, I'm like, maybe I lost a couple LBs. - No! - So, I did not. I'm like, how would R&D ever happen that way? - Truly, it feels like 30 pounds have left my system, and apparently the scale doesn't think so. - But I bet you once you're back on track, it'll like show up when I-- - Yeah, the scale go, I'm sorry, I was being really super crazy. - Oh my god, I was so confused for a minute. - I bet, I bet. - This scale was like, I'm sorry, I had a stomach bug, it was the whole thing. I couldn't-- - I actually couldn't really-- - I'm both phoning it in. - Yeah. - Oh yeah, I'm on break. - It's a whole unionized thing. - So anyway, I was really hurting. Apparently, I guess a lot of people-- - Was Allison sick? - I don't know what this, she's like, has a fucking super soldier serum in her. Everything with her, she's, I get sick all the time, she never catches what I love that. - I mean, I don't love that you get sick, but I love that she does not, that's good. - The nerve, I was from her family reunion and everyone was dropping like flies and Allison was like, what's the big deal? I'm like, what is wrong with you? - She is, she is like a super, yeah, something, something. - I don't know. So anyway, she watched me suffer and she went, too bad so sad, and then just kept moving on with life. It's incredible what she could do. - Someone's got it. - Someone's got it, you're right, you're right. It's not me. - Thanks for holding on the fort again. - Yeah. Man, I feel like I had so many things I wanted to say to you and I can't even remember any of them already now, but I like, throughout this week, I've been thinking, "Oh, I really wish I could tell Garcia that." It was good. Well, we're halfway through spooky season. How are things going? Have you done anything spooky? - No, I'm like kind of behind, I mean, I'm always behind 'cause Leona's birthday always is like the first week and then by then I'm like cleaning up and then by then it's the halfway through October and I start panicking. But I got my little Skellies out and like, you know, my little lights and it's cute and I'm getting in the mood. And the weather's all like raining and gloomy and it's like nice and yeah, I love it. It's a good time. - Is she of Apple picking enjoyment yet? - She did a pumpkin patch and that kind of thing. She's more into like the cookies they sell at those places, you know? - I get it. - She is. That's like the whole vibe is like what's next, what treats do I get? And like, what can I climb on? So those are the things. And then for Halloween, I think I already said this, but we're doing Gabby's Dollhouse. It was a plot twist. We were gonna do another Pete the Cat three years in a row. I was like, whatever you say. And then it plot twist. Now we're doing Gabby's Dollhouse and she assigned me to be Gabby. So not a big deal. It's just the main character. - I get the lead. - Where is my spotlight? Yeah. Oh yeah, it's in the Dollhouse. Oh right, it's above me. So I get the lead. It's not a big deal. She wants to be the villain Cat Rat who eats sardines and like ruins everything, which is great. - She sounds so cool. - I know, it's so fun. I'm like, I'm like, are you sure? Like, you don't want to be Gabby? And she's like, no. - No. - She's a dream. That's amazing. - Yeah, it's just something else. And so Blaze is a DJ cat nip. - Of course. Of course. - It's gonna be stupid. I can't wait. - For his costume, you know how they have like the, it looks like a DJ board, but it's a scratchy pad for cats. You should have that. And like, just wear that necklace or something. - So good. I think they sell that on chewy. I've seen that. That's so clever. And then a mooney and june can just bump around. - Have some headphones. - Have to wear a cat nip. I don't know what it really looks like. - That sounds right to me. It sounds pretty correct. Well, he has tentacles. Sorry. (laughing) I forgot about that part. He also has like eight legs. It's a whole thing. Big thing to not mention, but okay. - I mean, it's not my costume. It's not my fucking problem. I'm busy over here trying to be Gabby the lead. - I love how you're like, as the star, I don't have time for that. That's not good. - Like, I'm sorry. Go check with costume. I don't, I, I, like, fucking take your walkie and like, handle it. Call the PA. It's not my business. - This is very funny. Oh, this is what I would tell you. - Guess who was in Florence Kentucky recently. - You have to know. This is like all the rage right now online. - Who was in Florence Kentucky? I don't know. - I'm shocked. This feels like this would break your small town news. - What? - Smoky. (laughing) - She did like a whole bit. Like, literally, there's like, if you go on her, her, if you go on her Instagram, she's standing in front of like the Florence Y'all, water tower and everything. - Shut the fuck up. - She's her and Chilly is collabed. And what the, Chilly's is all over the place. These Chilly's, knows that the Gen Z's are their demographic. They're wild. Like, this Chilly's team is wild. - And they out of pocket, you know. - I guess Chilly's is doing this new Italian sandwich and so they have Snooki promoting it and they have her promoting it by going to all of these American locations that sound like they're from Italy. So she went to Florence Kentucky. She went to like Rome, Georgia. - Oh, that's so fun. - And so she's just going to like all these like southern states that have Italian cities. - Florence. - And she's going to their Chilly's and like eating the sandwich there. - I mean, that's very good. - That's very good. - That's so smart. That was only a Gen Z. You could come up with a question. - That's 20 minutes from me. Yeah, hi, Snooki. Welcome. - Anyway, I saw, I saw her in front of the water tower thing and I went well. - I mean, that's crazy. - That's crazy. - That is crazy. That is crazy. - Yeah. - Anyway, our world's collide yet again. - Seriously, I'm like, who's in Florence Kentucky? - Me at Trader Joe's. I don't know. - Yeah. - I thought she would like, I thought it would be like front page news on like Florence ledger. Or what, Florence flyer. - Timothy, I promise it was. I don't just really though read it that often. Like I would like, it's not on purpose. It just maybe doesn't cross my feed. - Just like cross your desk. - Florence feed, doesn't cross my desk. But you know, the new port news, not that new port news. My new port news. - Yeah, I'm sorry. - The new port is overlapped. - How about this? The new port news letter. (laughing) - No, we have a whole news letter. So I've read that because it's like my hyper local neighborhood. But yeah, I don't really, but you know, I am surprised that didn't come across my desk, the snooki situation. I mean, it has now. Get it the snooki situation. I've got to stop. I've got to stop. - Open the door. - And fucking realize it. - Open the door and walk right through. - Oh, welcome to Chili's Florence Y'all. - I'm telling you, if you get hungry and go to that Chili's, there will for sure be like a life-sized poster of Stucky or something. - Love this, love this, love a cutout, love a cardboard cutout. I'm into it. - It was too niche for me to not mention here. - Yeah, cultural crossover for sure. ♪ To stand by we have to step away ♪ - This episode is brought to you by Angry Orchard Hard Sider. Try Angry Orchards, new limited edition, glow in the dark, everybody, glow in the dark, thriller pack, featuring four flavors, including the iconic ghost face can from screen, and the thriller pack is the perfect companion for scary movie nights and Halloween parties. This one is Blood Orange, I'm telling, Blood Orange, everything. - It's my favorite flavor. - Yeah, Blood Orange and Glow in the Dark, and it's Halloween themed. Anyway, one of my favorite things about Angry Orchard is that they regularly ask us to think about things that maybe make us angry before we had a nice crispy cold pack in the fridge. And that's right. One of the things that's really gotten me, I mean, this is spooky season, and I'll tell you something that I just updated Christine on, I have had, for years and years and years, a dream that somebody in my family was going to. - Oh, we're going there, oh yeah. - It's always gonna be angry. - I had a dream, I won't say who, but I had a very vivid dream eight years ago that somebody was going to die in my family. - That would be crazy. - And in the dream, the last thing that happened in the dream, as I said, this person will not be here in eight years. And, or eight years from today. And then I woke up. And so, for eight years, I'm encountering this day, going, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. Like, I know when this person might, so I've been panicking for eight years. - And by the way, with this year, the way it's going, it's like, you don't even fucking know. - You don't even know. - And it's like, that could be the only sure thing of the year at this point, you know? So M was like having like a week, you know? - I really. - I truly been panicking. And I panicked for years. Christine has known about this since the day it happened. And luckily, it was just a dream and everything turned out fine. But I'm angry because for eight years, I've been living with this like secrets. - You know why? - I'm angry here, pass me that. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, here you go. Pass, pass, pass. - Okay, thank you. We're doing a passing thing, but I actually, for the first time I've ever had friends over last night for the first time in a long time. - Congratulations. - And they all drank. My angry orchard and I felt like I was the best hostess 'cause it was fall. And I was like, oh come over, we're going to a concert together. And I was like, oh my god, do I have friends over? And my brother was there and we were like, oh, here's the angry orchard. And so they all drank it. So instead of me holding it, I'm gonna hold an invisible can, but feel proud that, you know, I made a good impression. And everyone really liked them by the way. The Blood Orange was a hit. - I believe it. - And what makes me mad is that somebody in M's family like heard about this and then immediately spilled the beans to the person. - Immediately. - And I was like, I didn't even get a chance to explain this to them after eight years. It was just like, I was like, wait, you should, this should have been you who was leading the way in like, whether or not to inform this person or whatever, but now it's just like, the whole can of worms. And I'm angry about it. Here you go. - No, I'm gonna get orchard instead. Here you go. - I'm glad that you passed this back because I am so glad that you're angry for me. Because I'm like, I clearly have been able to keep this very big situation. Eight years, you couldn't keep it together for time first. - And that person by the way found out it, found out about it like 24 hours. Like that's how long they were able to hold onto this. - Secret. - So we've got some new family drama in the works over here. And it's all because I thought I was saving someone's life. Sue me. - But so soon, man. - You know what? The one thing though is that you don't have to get angry. You can just get orchard this Halloween. You can visit angryorcer.com and use the cider locator to find the thriller pack near you. It's a hard cider with other natural flavors and it delivers that balanced refreshing finish that works whether you're hosting friends, Christine. Or-- - I know. - Settling in for a scary movie marathon while you have to fight off your family and the text messages. - Oh yeah. Well, you're furiously typing. - Angry orchard cider company LLC. Angry orchard is a hard cider with other natural flavors. 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But I have been waiting to do this for a while. And I know we're coming up on your final episodes. And so I've literally been holding on to this until we were like kind of rounding out your time here because I wanted, I felt like an like an honorary topic. Wow. So I know we've talked about kind, we've mentioned it in other episodes. But I've thought like, oh, I should do that one day. And then I was like, this should be like, this should be one of the ha ha ones. Oh, okay. So this is the topic of Christine, which not you, we've already done that with Arzene Schaefer, Schifter. This is the haunted car. Shhh. Do you? You're freaking me out right now because last night, first of all, I wasn't even gonna say this. Last night I was googling Jersey Shore and I kept saying that fucking open the door and realized it. And I was like googling Jersey Shore and I'm like, I've never, I don't know why I'm googling Jersey Shore, but I looked like wondering something and then I googled it. And then I was like, I wonder why Christine is called Christine. And so I was on IMDb, but I couldn't find the answer. Oh, I know it. And then I know. And so then I was like, whatever and I got distracted by some actor and I clicked on that and I got in a rabbit hole, right? But like, you're freaking me out. Those are two things I googled last night. You've probably felt the energy building up for like weeks now because we just can't get this topic. My fucking brain finally connected the Dixie cups with the string and was like, oh, I see. The psychic string, the psychic one, yeah. That is wild. Okay, so yeah, so for those who don't know what I'm talking about, there is, I've covered this actually in, oh my god, episode 146, which is a long time ago. Yeah. And I covered the topic of the little bastard, AKA James Dean's cursed car, remember that. I remember that episode. And I do have a recap of that, a very short recap so people can know what the home talking about. But because of that car, Stephen King was inspired to create this horror story called Christine, the haunted car, the killer car. And there was a book and there was a movie. And this is essentially a recap of those two because I never actually watched the movie or anything like that and I was like, well, now's the time. So. Wow. I'm so excited. Did you ever see the movie? No, and I've never even read the book. But I love it. Like I'm like, I love that it's my namesake. It makes me so happy. But I've never actually read it or anything. The book, I barely know anything about it, really. Okay, good. The movie is, I mean, it's like not scary. Yeah, I don't think I've heard much like big clamor about it. You hear more about like Carrie and it, you know, know that. Well, not to spoil the ending for you here, but you know, the infamous horror movie company, Blumhouse is remaking it. So you have a chance. Are you joking? I'm so happy about this. Okay, so let's get into this. The James Dean car, Little Basterd, it was a 1955 Porsche 550 spider. In case you're a car person in care. And it was allegedly, it was cursed and would kill. And although it was called the Little Basterd, it was not actually because it kept hurting people, but because the car, it was such like a powerful. That would be wild. Stop killing people, you little bastard. (laughing) You murderous little thing. You can just kind of like do a little dance away. Snap your little suspenders, your little goofball. What are we gonna do? Why are you out of wood? Are we gonna do it with you? Open the door and fucking realize the little bastard. Locked right through, drive right through. Basically, it was, it was only called that because as a race car, it was so powerful and so tricky to operate. That it was nice, the Little Basterd. Okay. So recap from episode 146. James bought this car and his fiance and some friends told him, [BLANK_AUDIO] immediately that there was something off about this car, they hated it, they refused to get it. - Ew, I already know this, but that really gives me a bad vibe. Like that your family's like, I don't like this cool car you bought. - One look at it and they're big up, I'd rather do anything else. - And especially 'cause it's probably so cool and like interesting and they're probably like, he's probably like, look at my cool ass car and they're all like, we fucking hate it. - It's not gonna be shocking. - If I got it de-loried and everyone went, I'm not sitting in that. I'd be like, oh well that's kind of half the point babe. - Like literally like, what the fuck then? You're not invited. - Yeah, assholes. - Yeah, I'd be so pissed. I'd be like, how dare you? I saved up all my money for this. - Well, so very shortly after they all sensed something was off, James and his friend get in a massive crash in this thing and James dies of a broken neck. They just, they all had a psychic something going on there. And after the crash, the car was stripped for parts and it seems that anyone who bought or used these parts later on their own cars also ends it up in crashes. - Which is like that same concept as like the planes that go down and are reused for parts and then like they're haunted in the new airplanes. Freaks me out, just freaks me out. In one of these crashes, the driver also died and in another crash, both of the tires had been bought and put on a new car and both tires exploded at the exact same time. - For like, Jesus. - Insane. - What the fuck? The rest of the car was loaned out to go to like car shows and events, which like I'm hoping it was going to these events as like the killer car and not like here's a plate, here's something you could buy the parts off of. - Right, right, right, right. Look at this new model. Yeah. - And this led to people sustaining serious injuries like just by the car even existing at these car shows. So like the car fell on two different people. One of them was okay. - I mean, that's fucking insane. - Like just, whoops, he's just dropped right off of it. - Like what? No. - I guess it was on a big car-sized shelf. One of the people ended up dying. Both people broke bones. At one point, it was parked in a garage and the garage that was left in caught on fire and everything but the car had severe damage. And here's an update, I think, from the last time. I don't think I mentioned this, but in recent events, nobody knows what happened to most the car. There is only one remaining part that we know of that exists and it is take a fucking guess with Zach Bagans. - Yeah, obvious. - Fucking obviously open the door and realize it. That's not a shock to my system. - Open the door to the museum or the Porsche or whatever the fuck. - And nope, he apparently owns the Transaxle and it's somewhere in that goddamn place. - Dang. - There's so many haunted things at this point. I'd get lost. I don't even know where I put that. - It's like, what do you want for me? You know, it's like, what do you want? You're trying to kill me? Is that what you're trying to do here, man? - Well, okay, so that's the recap. Now, this Porsche is also said to have been the inspiration for Stephen King's book about the killer car, Christine, which is what we're here for today. - Ease, hog, relief, size. - Oh, that old chestnut. - But there is no evidence, I will say, that King got the idea from the little bastard. Although, it's certainly odd, isn't it? That they, it's certainly odd. Overlapped very, they're on the same timeline. People, I guess, conflate that they, that's Stephen King got it from the little bastard because they're both killer cars. They both came into existence in the '50s. King actually says he got the idea though, which I, sure, okay. He says he got the idea on his own from driving his own car and he watched the odometer hit 10,000 miles. - Oh, I believe him. - He's got some weird ass stories about how he gets his fucking - Oh, okay. - I mean, he tells some weird fucking channeled stories about how he gets these stories. And he's like, oh, they come from a channeled source. I, he's, I don't know. - Okay, okay, well, then, I guess I have to believe him. I really wanted the lucky bastard or little bastard to be involved in this, but whatever. - Oh, no, no, I'm sure it is. Like, I feel like there's clearly like crossover and it's probably, he had to have at least thought, oh, I hope this doesn't go into an intellectual property such stuff, like, I hope I come back to taking from anything. - But he was also so coked out back then. - Who knows? (laughing) - Good enough. Okay, yeah, I don't know, man. - I mean, it is an interesting concept. He watched his odometer hit 10,000. And apparently he thought, this is a quote from him. Just like an odometer going up means a car is aging. What if you could get the car to go younger if the odometer went backwards? - Oh, okay. - Which will make a little more sense later. But that was his initial thought of like, oh, a car that is sensing enough to age or do you? - Like Ferris Bueller, you know? Like, yeah, they're reversing the odometer. Well, trying to. - It's exactly like that and also like killed. (laughing) - Oops. No, I know what you're saying though. Like if there was some way to rewind your own car, could you increase its value or whatever it is? So additional inspirations were apparently, 'cause I mean, I guess I can see how maybe the little bastard wasn't totally involved here, but they had overlap. And that in that time period, the country was obsessed with motorcars. James Dean was, Stephen King clearly had one and was thinking about him. So everyone had a motorcar, was thinking about a motorcar. And so that was one of the inspirations for this too. Like if I did a movie about something, the entire country is like in love with right now, that would be pretty topical. And there's also this trope in stories that he worked off of which is two friends being torn apart by a girl, but this time the girl is a car. And you will know the story of this movie by the end. I pretty much, I mean, I watched it beat for beat. So if you have any questions, let me know. So, and I also, this is a compare contrast between the book and the movie, 'cause there are some differences in the two. So in the book, it was about this nerd named Arnie. Arnie, like Arnold. And his very popular friend, Dennis, and the car that breaks them up. Fun fact, the name Christine comes from an actress named Christine Forrest that he had been spending time with while he came up with this idea. He's like, you know, you remind me a lot about a character I'm writing and it's like really who? (laughing) - Uh, yeah, don't worry about it. - What kills everything and has four wheels? - She's a heartbreaker. (laughing) - So, I love it, I love it. - At the time, Stephen King wrote this book, he was very popular and the movie was greenlit before the book even came out. Like, I saw that on IMDB yesterday and I was like, fascinating and then I got distracted, but that is the only trivia fact that I retained from last night. - Isn't that fucking crazy? - That's crazy. - That's me, their story is out, but like both are happening. - Yeah. Like, he was like, I'm writing a book right now and they went, great, we'll take a movie. And he went, wait a minute. - Wait a minute. - Yes, wild. - Like, in some ways, they were written at the same time because he hadn't finished the book before the movie came out so they were sort of side by side. - They were writing the script while writing the book and literally the book was published a few, or sorry, a few days after the movie came out, the book was published. - Wow. - So literally in the same week you could get the book in the movie. - Wow, weird, weird. - I think that's how it was. If it wasn't days, it was like, it was within the same year that you could get full. - How about a good PR stretch there, you know? Like, truly, yeah. Simultaneously releasing those too. - Wow. - If you can't get to the movie theater, go to the library. It's right there. This was directed by John Carpenter, which I am not a director movie person so that doesn't mean much to me, but fun fact, he did many other horror movies, especially during this time, he did Halloween. And he also actually used a lot of the same locations and to film at. So like I remember when I first moved out of LA and we did like one of those like star tours, like every, there was this one street that was like every shot in Pasadena for all of the horror movies. Like it was neighborhood, I'm straight over here and then Friday of 13th here in Halloween here. - I remember that. I did, I've done that tour, yeah, I know what you mean. - Yeah. - So I guess they also filmed a lot of Christine there. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah. - In the book, Christine is a custom red, 1957, Plymouth Fury. I love that it's a fury. That makes sense, like if you're gonna be a killer. - That makes sense. - In real life, this color did not exist. - My favorite color. - Well, it did not exist on this car. So like immediately, which like is insane to me that Stephen King knew as he was writing the book and like writing out the description of these cars, he had to know, wow, this movie that they're gonna make next week is gonna be, it's gonna be really hard for them to find a custom red. - Next week, the movie they're gonna make. - Well, hey, listen, if fucking, what's his name, doing the movie James Cameron? - John Kiner. - John Kiner. (laughing) - J.C. - Christopher Nolan, whatever the fuck, they're all the same now. - Yeah, I feel like they can afford it. I'd fucking make a new color. I'd be like, make it red. - Honestly. - He's a killer car. She's a fear, she's one of a fucking kind. Don't make a fucking silver gray Nissan, okay? - You're actually. - He's a heartbreaker on four wheels. - Okay, but think, I think you're totally right that he thought, well, if I'm making this book for the movie that's gonna come out, then like I should have something that looks one of a kind. But think of in 2026, years his PR person would have absolutely said, no, no, no, we're gonna collab with this car dealership and it has to be, they have to know an advance to put out this paint color and then everyone can have a Christine car. Hyundai collab. for like hundreds of millions of dollars and it would have been sold with that color to look exactly like a color car. A fucking hybrid and it wouldn't have made any sense and it would have been like look at the fucking they would have zoomed in on the oh it's so embarrassing I'm so glad that this was written before that yeah no in today like the brand deal would have been insane insane yeah yeah man he could have really been made some booku bucks there but yeah if only he had money Steven day if only he had made it somewhere yeah well okay so he picked a 1957 plumeth fury and it was this custom red color that did not exist for this kind of car and he this the plumeth fury the 1957 plumeth fury they only made like 5300 of them so he picked like a really rare car and I guess his goal at the time was like I wanted to pick a car that like didn't have a stereotype yet so that way like I wasn't competing with the stereotype but that meant for the movie the director needed to have a 1957 plumeth fury and like did not know where to fucking get them there's only like 5,000 in the whole country so he put it out and he did he put out ads all over the place being like why have either a fury or something like it please let us use it or we'll buy it from you like Steven King needs it Steven King needs your car please and they ended up getting 28 furies from across the country well and our least cars that looked like furies and they were able to like put it into the shop and build out of that 17 versions of the car that would be cool destroying it or one would be on fire or one would it be had like would be remote control you got a little replicas yeah so they ended up making 17 versions in total of these 28 Frank they Frankenstein to 17 cars together by the end of the movie every single one of these cars was demolished except two and they still exist but they're one is in a museum one of them I think a collector has it's my understanding is that it can fucking might as well be I'm shocked that that man does just drive a horse everywhere you know what I mean like he might like a lurch man yeah so now there are this is just a random fun fact I wanted to say there are two clubs for people who own Christine look alike cars and one of them actually does an annual look alike contest and you bring your car so fun and then the last one fact I have for you is the director intentionally hired no name actors because he didn't want anyone to distract from the main character the car although the original person that was going to play the main character Arnie was Kevin Bacon but he wasn't known yet and he ended up turning down the script for footless weird yep weird for scene the car is one degree away damn I would you know and I almost said Kevin Bacon earlier because I was talking at how I went through the IMDB rabbit hole and I was like you know the whole Kevin Bacon of it all and I almost said that and I was like well that's irrelevant and I'm like damn I wonder what the first time Kevin Bacon was told about six degrees from Kevin Bacon he had to be like that is kind of weird isn't it yeah yeah yeah he was like oh well that I I get around you know I feel like his reaction was probably like certainly that won't stick and then like years later it's like what the fuck why is everyone still talking about that you know like it's so bizarre it's got to feel weird I wonder like it doesn't he doesn't feel like someone who really made the rounds to become that popular so it makes me think why it's like so bizarrely like perfect you know yeah it's it's too interesting because known enough that not that ubiquitous that it's like it works in my mind there should be like there's surely if if Kevin Bacon who wasn't trying you can get six degrees to Kevin Bacon any which way there's got to be someone who was trying that you can get to by like four degrees but I guess it's fun I mean no I think that's probably easy that's like Jesus or like that's right you know or like Michael Jackson but there's something about Kevin Bacon where it's like he's just obscure enough where you're like are you sure I could find him you know and then it's like well there he is yeah I hope someone's made him some sort of like fan mail shirt or something like don't do it six to zero degrees for myself you know I don't doubt it for a second now for myself well okay so here is the my retelling where I kind of jump in the compare and throw the comparisons right now I'm so ready for this and it's if if you need to you know need something to fall asleep too while you're taking a nap later maybe you know so I'll set an alarm yeah yeah yeah you just say there I'm gonna tell both versions at the same time I watch the movie I tried to read excerpts of the book where I thought like milestones were but it was a 700 paid book he that's what I'm saying with the cocaine he talks about that because he because he wrote it during like the his cocaine days too and he sober so like he talks of openly about like how he had to quit substances but yeah he was like but I would just sit there and fucking right like 700 pages I mean worse you could do with time and cocaine exactly that's what I said and like he's still so fucking prolific that it's like he didn't need the cocaine clearly but like you can see when he's writing shit like it and you're like what the fuck it like makes a lot more sense when when he talks about his so anyway just pointing that out but yeah 700 pages that's that's the mark of an early Stephen King situation for sure I I thought I'm absolutely gonna read the saying and honestly knowing that we ended up pushing like a whole week I probably could have just finished it on audio book I dare you I know I would have I would have I know the audio it's so long I listened to it on audiobook and it was like 40 hours and it's like that's a work week I mean I don't think it was 40 hours but it was a made of been 24 hours it was a lot of hours I've been trying to read more books for research as long as there's an audiobook version of it and I can like to speed it and obviously there was a an audiobook version of this but I did see it would take like 40 50 hours I mean I don't have that kind of time so I mean no no no no well okay these I am gonna sprinkle some fun facts in here too because I was watching this and I was like what the fuck is going on the main the first thing I noticed right off the bat was like this movie had insane constant cussing and like really graphic cussing like what it was a lot of slut-shaming like but also this was like the 70s or whatever 70s or 80s and it was a high school movie so I'm sure it was just representative of the real yeah the butt of every joke was like a woman but so there was constant cussing to like to a point where it was unnatural for even a high school movie in the 70s and I was like what is their deal what is going what is their deal apparently like the main character he kept calling everyone shitters what like that was just his phrase and he was like oh these shitters you know how they are and I'm like no no one knows that stop it stop doing cocaine you gotta get it together so apparently um Stephen King has said this himself that there are two movies that he or two books that he wrote that he is actually disappointed in himself for and he finds incredibly boring and this is one of them shut the fuck up the other one is do you want to guess it's another famous uh uh uh I don't know the shining he says it's incredibly boring I love that book he doesn't um and I guess he's like grateful for what it's brought him but like it's interesting I didn't know that I love that book and it's short but it is shorter it's much shorter so I feel like maybe 700 pages of boring probably is a lot harder to get through yeah well I guess that's another early sign of Stephen King is that if he wasn't cocaine and the book is short he probably didn't like even writing it he was just like I guess he's just coked out Jack Nicholson can be part of this yeah moving on okay Jesus and then there was a hedge oh my god this is so dry for fuck sake so he always saw that this book was super boring and then um even as a movie he was like I'm pretty sure it's gonna be boring and like for a horror movie nobody's gonna come to a boring horror movie and like it's not graphic it's not like it's not violent enough like there's no reason that this movie would probably get an R rating in the theaters and who's gonna go to a person yeah yeah and like and also I'll tell you the death scenes were like really vague um it was a lot of like the car driving towards someone and then them cutting the camera and you assume they get hit because also you can't literally hit someone with a car to like screech and then like it had to be a lot of optical tricks yeah visual tricks for the movie so then you didn't really see them die you just saw like after the fact and they're just like right um but so he was like it's not a gory horror movie so it's not gonna get an R rating and who the hell is gonna come to an R a non-R rated horror movie oh so they're like how do we make it R rated and they just shoved as many grotesque cuss words as possible in there just to get the R rating gang you're joking so that was literally overcompensating to guess the R rating that's nuts no wonder Stephen King feels weird about all this it's like that's weird I did too and I didn't I didn't even know that fact yet but I was watching and I was like why the hell are they talking like this fact that it was so like jarring to listen to is so like not a good sign and they kept me like really like uncomfortable sex jokes about like the girls they wanted to hook up with and in my mind I was like well it's a 70s and like not that I have at all fight for boys will be boys but like it felt like this was of another era but I was like this is even weird for and weird yeah it was weird I have to imagine Stephen King was a. but also like disappointed in this as a writer. - Yeah. - Anyway, and also if he, I'm sorry, if he wanted the R rating and the book is being written at the same time as the movie, could you have not thrown in some fucking horror? - Well, that's what I didn't understand. I was like, why is he complaining? He made it. (laughs) - He literally has time to go back in time and fix this, but. - Oh man, get the cocaine. (laughs) - Straight right. - So okay, the movie, I'm gonna tell you the movie and then the book. The movie starts with the car on the factory line being built. It's literally moving on its own on a conveyor belt and people are working on it blah, blah, blah. During this time, while it's on the conveyor belt, she injures a worker because they're under the hood and the hood slams out on them. And then it kills a worker because the worker on their lunch break just goes and sits in one of the cars in the conveyor belt and ends up smoking a cigarette in there and dying of carbon dioxide poisoning or something. - Oh. - So, and that's how the movie starts, that there's already like two people that have been put in danger because this car. - Before it's off the assembly line. - In the book, we discover later that Christine did not start out evil. The movie makes it seem like the car was always evil. - I see. - The book tells you that the car later became evil because it was haunted by her first owner. And when he died, the spirit began to haunt the car and now the car seemed sentient. Does that make sense? - Yeah, but why was it in a factory line where it was already killing people, or was that in just a movie? - Just the movie. - Oh, okay, okay, got it. - And the movie it starts, it tells you immediately, this is a killer car. - Got it, got it, we jump straight to it. - Yeah. And the story starts, like I said, with the nerdy guy Arnie, I'm just gonna tell you the main characters, so you don't have to wonder who's coming around the corner. Nerdy guy Arnie, cool guy friend Dennis. And then there's the two brothers named Roland and George, two brothers, they're the original owners of the car. Got it. - Okay, so we have Arnie, he's a dork loser guy and his friend Dennis is, you know, he gets all the girls, blah, blah, blah, blah, he's on the football team. - Classic. - And they drive past this old dilapidated car in someone's yard. And so they pull over, they look at this car, they're like, wow, this thing must have been really cool back in its day. And Arnie is immediately weirdly obsessed with this car. Like even Dennis is like, I've been your friend for a long time with the fox going on, like, why are you so in love with her? They, in the book, Dennis even has some sort of vision, which in this movie, there was no psychic anything going on, but in the book, Dennis has some sort of vision of the car's past and tells Arnie, I get bad vibes, don't go near this car. - Classic Stephen King. And in both the movie and the book, a guy comes out in a back brace. And from, in the art, he sees it, he sees it. He sees that they're looking at the car. 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See website for more details. - And in the guy coming out in the back brace, in the movie, in the book, he's different ones of the brother. In the movie, one of the brothers already died and he was the original owner of the car and now his brother's being forced to sell it since, since the owner is dead. In the, in the other version, the owner, I think, is trying to sell it because he's being forced to by his family because the car's acting weird. I'm sorry for the comp, for the confusing stuff here. - No, no, no, no. It's, okay, yeah, I get a follow totally. Either way, the family is trying to sell the car. - Yeah. - Arnie won't listen to anything that his friend is saying. He is acting so fucking weird and connected to this car and he's like, she's beautiful and Dennis is like, it's a fucking car. What is your problem? - It nerd. - He's like acting like it's a girl, which I guess is what Stephen King was going after. He's like so infatuated. His parents don't want, he buys the car with everybody telling him not to. His parents don't want the car on the property, so they say you have to go park it at an auto shop, you can work on it there after school, but we don't want it in the art 'cause it's disgusting and old and ugly. It smells like a dead fucking body. And this is a fun fact. So he goes and parks it in the shop and now he's got this thing hanging out in the garage. The movie set, by the way, the garage that they used was actually, they only used half of it in the movie on camera as like the garage that Arnie keeps the car in. And the other half of it that wasn't on camera was they used as a literal body shop to keep all of the 17 cars, 18. - I was wondering because when you said they had 70 cars, I was like, I bet you they had a whole warehouse and I'm like, I wonder if they also had to film in there. That's interesting to me, that's interesting. - They killed two birds with one stone with that. - Yeah. - Yeah. - So in the movie, Arnie says that he's in love with this car and his friend is like, why? - Yeah. - Me too. - You don't even know her. - And Arnie says, because it's finally something uglier than him, 'cause he's a nerd in a lose or nobody likes him. He's got close confidence. It's finally something uglier than him and it's something that he can fix 'cause he can't fix his own uglier, yes. And this is a really feeling gay situation in the movie. Like Dennis is like, you're anything but ugly. And I'm like, just kiss. So give me a break, come on. - As Arnie works on the car throughout the movie, he very quickly begins to change his personality. Like him in this car becoming one. At first, he seems a little more confident in the next scene. The scene after that, he no longer has acne and he's not wearing his glasses anymore. In the next scene, it's bop, bop, bop. Within the week, he's a different man. - Oh, so he's definitely gonna make over a situation. - Absolutely. This car is his type, Hennington. (laughing) - Oh, lucky, ducky. - In the next scene, he's able to get girls. And as if he and the car are healing each other, 'cause it's the more he works on the car, he seems to actually walk away the first door. - Okay, I see, I see, I see. - But soon, the changes are much worse. It's like, it almost feels like the car was an energy vampire and eventually it's restored enough that it no longer needs him. It is now just like-- - Oh, he's restored it and given it its power back. - Ah! - Yes. - Maybe, okay. - And now it doesn't really seem to need to gain anything from Arnie, so it's just sucking out additional energy and Arnie's becoming more evil. - Oh my God. - Some more sense. - Yes, it does make sense, yes. - So now, after the car is beautiful and shiny, but Arnie's still obsessed with this car, he is becoming withdrawn and super dark and morbid and rude and callous, he's blowing off his friends and he's yelling at his parents. And in the movie, I think also in the book, but in the movie, he gets enough fist fight with his dad and a smiling while he's fighting him. - Yeah, creepy, yeah, creepy. It is very toxic relationship vibes, right? At first it's so like, you're like honeymoon phase, whatever. And then it's like, oh, suddenly you shift in your, yeah, that's really interesting how he did that. - Yeah, yeah. And it was another additive that they kind of hint at at this point, but they won't say it directly, is that all of these behaviors, you find out later, were similar behavior changes that were happening in the last owner before he had to sell the car. - Interesting, got it, got it, got it. - So we also get these creepy shots in the movie, which I feel like the director was like, make it fucking weird. And the actor went, no problem. There's these creepy shots of Arnie sitting in the car when the shop's closed and there's no reason to even be restoring this car anymore. There's no reason for it to be sitting in the shop. It should have driven off of the property at this point, be parked somewhere else, hate that. - But it's almost like this is their little hideaway and they have shots of Arnie sitting in the car just like staring at the car and like stroking it. - Oh no, oh no. - Like they're intimate. And like the actor even said that in those scenes, he was imagining the car was a woman's body and was like rubbing it up and down. And I'm like, girl, this is crazy. - I don't wanna, kiss already. - Yeah, literally, either kiss your little boyfriend or kiss your car. - Kiss somebody, all right, we need an R rating. (laughing) - Whip it out. - Come on. In the movie, Arnie's mom finds out that the last owner ends it up dying by suicide inside this car. Oh, shit. In the book, we find out that the other brother died in the car. Someone in the family dies in the car. Someone died in the car. In both versions, though, once Dennis the friend finds this information out, he goes straight back to the property to start talking to people and see what happened. He's like, okay, it's really weird. Apparently, the last owner died in this fucking car. My friend is acting like that fucking friend. What is going on? Gotta get to the bottom of this. And we find out that the previous owner was beyond obsessed with the car like Arnie is. And his own family members would be trying to like pull him away from this car, but like a toxic relationship, he pretty much was going, but daddy, I love him, to his wife, his kids, everyone, and he didn't care. It got to a point where the car, because this is like a weird symbiotic relationship, the car was also in love with the owner and was like jealous of any threat that came near their relationship. And so people around the two of them start dying in this car. It was like hurting his loved ones. Ew, yeah. So that's how Christine became the killer car originally, as she was killing the original owner's family, so that we only the two of them could be together. I like that. It's like very like, I don't know, psychological in some way. Yeah. Sinister. Um, apparently the previous owner, his daughter choked to death in the car. His wife died by suicide in the car. And then the owner himself never felt, never seemed to phase it all by anything going on because, quote, nothing came between him and Christine. Ugh. God. Uh, so now his friend knows all about this and his friend goes snooping through and goes to the garage and looks at the car. This is where the car kind of, it gets a little more horror movie. And I don't know how much of this was in the book versus the movie, but for the cinematic experience I imagined it was, um, a little, a bit exaggerative. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, his friend goes and looks in the garage and starts snooping around to see what's going on with this car. I don't know what he's fucking looking for if he just heard this car will kill you, but okay. Yeah. And when he's looking around, the car's radio turns on by itself, starts bleeding music to scare him off. And the next day, now we know that the car knows that Dennis knows something. So now Dennis is the threat to the car. It's on to him. It's on to him. The next day Arnie drives the car to Dennis's football game and Dennis, while playing on the field, sees Arnie and the car there. And right in front of the car, Dennis gets horribly injured as if the car arranged this in some way. That's shit and was like, I'm watching it happen. Literally he's super injured on the ground and then the camera pans to the car. So I hate that very much. So now Dennis has been threatened by this fucking car. That's, that's victim one. Next Arnie goes on a drive-in date with his girlfriend because now he's getting girls. He goes on a drive-in date with his girlfriend who mentions how much she does not like this car. She's saying that we're sitting in this fucking car. So good work. First of all, that's rude. I know. Like, say it somewhere else. Oh my God. Say it to someone else, yeah, for real. If someone said that about my 2014 Subaru, well, in my 2014 Subaru, I'd say catch your own ride-a-bame. Just kidding. Yeah, for real. For real. Get the fuck out of here. Now, the fun fact about this movie scene is that at the drive-in that they were at, the movie that they chose to play at the drive-in was this movie called Thank God It's Friday. And the whole gag in that movie is that the character's like most prized possession is his car and it keeps getting damaged. Thought that was a fine Easter egg. Oh my God. I love that. I love that. I hate your car. I hate your car. I hate your car. You spend more time with the car than you do with me and then says something super fucking weird which like this should have been her one and only red flag. When we're kissing, the radio turns on like the car's jealous of us. And then she smacks the car's seat, like hits it and Arnie does not fucking like that. His eyes dark and then he goes, don't fucking do that to Chris. Don't do that. Don't do that to her. Don't do that to my baby. And he gets out to go get something and she begins choking on her food. Much like the daughter did. And she's like freaking out, freaking out, freaking out. The car locks its own door so nobody can get in and help her and she can't get out. Ew. That's so creepy. I don't like that. With one second left to spare, the guy next door, I guess, or the guy in the car next to hers saw this going on and saved her life. Oh, she didn't die. It was a nice little warning of like watch what you fucking say about me. Yeah, don't fucking touch me. While this is happening, in the book it says that the radio turned on again and the lights of the radio apparently looked like glowing green eyes watching her suffer. Oh boy. I didn't see that in the movie. What I paid more attention to in the movie was the actual song playing on the radio. Because as she's choking, the radio starts playing, we belong together. Like the car's like me and my man get out of here. Nice try. The movie does a really good job of putting popular songs of that time period into the movie. So the movie came out fun in the 70s. And so I guess to be topical, they put in all of these 70s songs. And the songs are actually a nod to the book because every chapter, the title of every chapter were popular song lyrics from the 50s, which is when the car was made. Okay, got it. So I think Stephen King was like, well, let's do that in the movie. But instead of 50 songs, it'll be 70 songs. That's fun. She tells Arnie she's never getting back in the car because she's now been choking from being in that car. And he has like a freak out. He's like, get back in the car, but well, like we're like, you're being over dramatic. She walks into her house and he gets in the car after they've gotten into this big fight. And the car stalls as if it's mad at him because he's trying to turn this car back on to drive home and it won't turn on. And then he starts weirdly talking down the car going like, no, baby, like everything's good. Everything's fine. And then the car turns itself on and starts playing a love song as they drive off. Yuck. So, okay. Dennis has been threatened. Another girlfriend's been threatened. Then there's bullies from school who hate Arnie. They find out where Arnie parked his prize possession car. They sneak into the auto shop and they destroy it. Christine eventually runs them over. Good girl. Nice fucking try. Yeah. Like are you new here? Yeah. And not in the movie is that Arnie actually goes to see, oh, this is not, this is my favorite not. This is the most obvious nod. They were like, and this is why people think by the way that this fucking car is after James Dean's little bastard, okay. You tell me I'm not supposed to fucking think that after the scene. Ready? Dennis is still injured from that football game incident. Arnie goes to see Dennis about one of the bullies dying. He's like, oh, did you hear the like, and we don't know. Arnie doesn't know. We don't know if Arnie knows. All we know is that the bullies are dead. And we don't know how much Arnie knows about that was Arnie had a car to the car do it by itself. We're unsure. But in this scene, Arnie goes to talk to Dennis about it. And remember every scene he gets a little more confident and cocky. Now he's literally dressed like James Dean and Rebel without a cause like the exact red jacket. Could it be argued that the directors were like, we should totally parallel this? I'm sure. I'm sure than the book. I'm sure. It really makes the audience think, oh, this clearly is about James Dean. Yeah. And you have to have that. Like if you, that's like, I think a, like that's a very good move. I think all the directors part. He's wearing the red jacket has the pompadour hair. And he literally says to Dennis about the bully almost makes you feel sorry about the little bastard. Like hello. Shut up. Like hello. Like hello. People are going to wonder. No, that's fun. I don't know if I was in the book. I should have checked that because if he was in the book, then you can't be mad at me. Yeah. You can't tell me that. No. So by this point, I noticed in the movie, he's wearing only James Dean shit like that jacket or like grease or stuff because I guess like it's like the 50s, the grease or something. Interesting. And this is where we find out that the car is officially haunted. But I'm so sorry for doing this back and forth thing, but it's, I promise it's important. In the book, the guy who died in the car, his family died in the car. Now he haunts the car. He actually in the book, you can, he's seen in the back of the car as a ghost telling Arnie what to do and to like her people and like you can see if they have this like weird connection. And the movie that does not happen at all because there was another movie that just came out called an American Werewolf in London. And like the exact same concept happens in that movie and they're like that's going to look like we're just plagiarizing. So they had to cut it out. But but in the, in the book, apparently, while all this is going on and it makes the book, it makes the story much creepier, I think and Stephen King just cut it out. The original owner is like a dead melting corpse in the back of the car whispering dark shit to him. Whoa. And then they got rid of that after Stephen King already thought the book was too boring. So maybe it was too campy, you know, like maybe ghost enough. So now Arnie goes to the shop and he sees that the car is just, he knows the car's a story. He is now fixing it back up from square one. He has some weird intimate moments with the car again. God. At one point, at one point in like a trance, he stops fixing the car and goes and stands in front of it and stares it down and then goes show me and then the car and then the car repairs itself. Ew! Why am I so icked out by all of that? That's terrible. So it's like the car was telling him telepathically like don't even worry about fixing the up like I'll handle it. And this is the first time we see that the car itself is truly sentient because anything the car was doing up until now it was parked in the camera implied or when the car when the car was driving over the bullies you assumed that Arnie was the one in the front seat. Right. But this is the first time we see that they are clearly separate entities working together. Interesting. Okay, okay. In the movie by the way the car like glows green when it's sentient and that's supposed to let you know when Arnie's not in the car making the decisions. But I didn't pick that up until much later and then I went oh is that been happening this whole fucking time? So basically now we know that the car can heal itself and it's made more clear in the book what Stephen King's original thought about the odometer and de-aging. That comes up a lot more in the book because Arnie does these things like he will drive the car around and as he's driving the car is healing itself. It's almost like it needs someone to love the car and like give the energy towards it and it will slowly de-age the morts being used. And that also explains why in the beginning the owner died and no one was using the car or loving the car or moving the car around for to de-age and that's why I looked all fucked up and dilapidated. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's much more in the book and the movie it's just like oh I can heal myself. So now the cops are snooping around because the car is in perfect condition and the book at this point Arnie has been pushing the car himself to constantly reheal the car and hurts his back and is now wearing a back brace like the original owner was to show that they're like you get to even more and more in sync. Yeah. And now so the cops are snooping around in the book the cop dies very quickly and the movie the cop survives but is also like so useless. Like I don't really know what the point of the cop was. And now we get to the ending of the book. They're different, very different. In both of them Dennis and Arnie's girlfriend end up getting together to like swap information about how fucking weird Arnie's being and they decide to get to that into the bottom of things. In the book way before the ending Arnie actually dies in a car rack. Oh shit, away from Christine. Allegedly fighting off this obsessive curse that he's been dealing with. He's like trying to stay away from the car and I think maybe Christine gets mad at him and causes a wreck if she's not if she can't have them no one can kind of thing. But in the movie Dennis actually tries to talk to Arnie about what's going on and being like hey me and your girlfriend have gotten together to talk about like how fucking weird you're being like what's the deal. And then Arnie like holds him hostage in a car and starts toasting to death and swirving around and saying like he's going to try to kill him and if he said like he's like merging with her like yes yeah we'll destroy you. And he's like he said something like you should be on my side you know what happens to people who aren't I'm sorry shitters who aren't shitters and he clearly knows what the car is capable of. So Dennis is like extra fucking worried about him. Dennis tries to make a joke about the car and then Arnie is like not having it so when Dennis apologizes Arnie says good boy. So and then in the movie there's this like whole spiel like Dennis says like hey we're really worried about you. Your girlfriend's worried about you and Arnie goes let me tell you about love. It has a voracious appetite. It eats everything. It kills me how much it eats. But if you feed her right it can be beautiful and that's what we have. And yeah Dennis is like you and your girlfriend and then he's like no me and Christine no one comes between me and Christine. So the talk didn't work. It's because it's my name and it's so romantic when I hear that. When you I was gonna say when you hear someone saying that or you like say it again so Dennis and the and Arnie's girlfriend they decide they're going to hatch a plan and they're going to just get rid of this fucking car. Yeah um they decided they're going to go into the shop literally in the movie they carve into Christine in a parking lot. They carve into Christine's hood like garage midnight be there. Like just to get into the car. I mean come on. So then the car shows up at midnight at the garage and they're hiding in a bulldozer and they're ready to like fucking drive over this thing. Okay. Apparently in the book that it was actually a pink truck named Petunia which I thought was much more interesting but okay bulldozer we should have kept that but all right. My favorite fun fact about the movie is that in this bulldozer scene Dennis and the girlfriend are hiding out in this bulldozer. Apparently the girlfriend in real life the actress had a twin sister who came to set that day and as a Frank they were like oh my god we're gonna put you in my clothes and you should go be in the bulldozer scene. No and they left it in. So that's fun. Literally the actor later was like I knew that she seemed different when I was acting with her but like I couldn't figure out what was going on. That's so weird. So the bulldozer scene is a completely different person. That's really fun. So now the two cars are battling it out. It's just two cars driving into each other and away from each other and running into walls but blah blah blah. If you're into like a monster truck rally I'm sure this was like the best part of the movie for you. In one final attempt to run the girlfriend over because at some point she's gotten out of the bulldozer or the cars after her aren't we find out halfway through this battle that Arnie is actually driving the car. So now Arnie and her are so connected that Arnie isn't afraid to kill them either. Oh dear. Oh dear. They've merged. Yes. Arnie slams on the pedal to the metal situation on the gas. Drive straight towards his girlfriend but misses her. Throat launches himself through the windshield and a piece of the glass stabs him and he ends up dying in the middle of this little battle. Well when he dies the lights of the car turn off and the radio starts playing pledging my love. You. Dennis takes this chance to bulldoze over it folds it into a fucking ball and brings it to a junkyard and in the movie it's a classic horror movie ending with a metal of the car twitches right before the credits. I was gonna say it has to move right. Oh my god. But in the book it it's it's another teaser but it's not as like cinematic. It it I think there's an epilogue where you find out later that Dennis is still alive and well he finds out that there's lately been a car in LA that's killing its people and it seems to be heading towards his town. Oh okay that's kind of fun but I do like the twitch I think as like just a little bit not. Yes that's been about that. So this book was named in the top 100 band and challenged books in the 90s. Really? Even though Stephen King called it boring and my only other fun fact is that Blumhouse is making a remake right now. I'm excited about this. I wonder how that'll go. I don't know. I I hope good. I mean they certainly they as long as they don't keep calling people shitter as it'll probably be fine. Please let's at least at that'll at least turn it up a few notches. Yeah I want to take a picture in front of the movie poster that will be fun. I wonder I wonder how I mean that would be so fun. You know okay these days though imagine what the brand deals are gonna be there's gonna be they're gonna bring back the climate theory for like a second and there's like get 100 of the original in this red color or they're they're gonna park some of them outside as promos for you to sit in and take a picture with. Wow now that that'd be good. Oh I want to do that I want to do that. Think about the popcorn bucket it'll be a little version of the Christine Carter. I will buy all I will buy all of it I will absolutely I never have bought any of those before but for this one I would they should put out a playlist of all the scary songs and I wonder what do you think here let's place it about now because I have no idea about this. Do you think they're going to honor the original movie and it's gonna be set in the 70s and the car will be playing 70s music or do you think now they're gonna pick even more topical songs for the car radio to be playing if it's set in 2026. Interesting because so is it set in 2026 or do we not know. We don't know it could be a 50s it could be a 70s could be a now. Well they just did read it carry as a mini series I don't know if you've seen it and it's it's modern day so I wonder if that's like the new spin you know so to speak. So then what do you think in 2026 the songs will be baby baby. Well I was trying to think like I feel like it could very well be. I'm like I don't that's also like a 15-year-old song a 20-year-old song so I'm not even timely with that but you know it'd be good. What? She seems to be all over the place whenever she can find her way into a little theatrical deal. Lady Gaga. Oh, Gaga for oh yeah some Gaga would be because she can write like a ballad that's like a little unhinge where you're like yeah 100 percent boy. We just finished we're very late we're a year behind but we just finished watching season two of Wednesday. Lady Gaga. I don't know who her manager is but man was she getting paid Wednesday. She's in there too. My god. She put an original song they did a performance around the song. She was it's the correct vibe. She acted in it. And it's a correct vibe for Christine too. I would think yeah. I think so too but okay so you're betting 2026. I think you're right. I think you're probably right. I just feel like that would be a fun take you know. Well I hope I wonder if there's going to be any cameos to Steven King do cameos in his movies. Yeah like of himself or of other people. Yeah like how in Marvel movies Stanley always shows up. Um I think he had I you know I don't know I don't think - It hits like his, that super, that super common. I think he likes to be in his little haunted house in Maine, but-- - That's fair. I will, here's my final but, because remember I said, there are two of the original Christine cars still left from production from the first movie. I wonder if they'll at least have that be like, the first scene is it like driving up to the camera or something, or driving away from the camera and then the credits roll or something. - Do you know when it comes out, or is it just in production right now? It's still really early days. - I just saw it in production, but Christine Car Movie Blum House. They're developing a movie of Christine. Okay, that's all I know. - Okay, I'm excited. - Yeah, it's, that's all we know. Oh, there's a little video about it. So you can go check that out on YouTube, I guess. - I shall. - And that is Christine. - What a great topic. - Wow, I feel so special. - I've always wondered. I had a feeling you wouldn't mind a topic being about Christine. - I mean, I've always wondered and I'd like to tell people, like, oh yeah, like the car, like the killer car. 'Cause I just, I'm like Christine, the killer car. Like it's fun, I don't know. No, yeah, I love my Stephen King and, but yeah, I never knew. And literally last night, I was like, I wonder why it's called Christine. And then I never found out. I like, forgot to stir out. The universe was like, you can't know that yet. Find out tomorrow. - Yeah, that's, that is very weird. - I have no idea. I've really been holding on for a while. And in hindsight, I wish I just told you the movie version and then the book version instead of trying to overlap them. I feel like that got tricky. But things, I mean, some of it was so different. Like the main character dies before the ending of the book. - No, I think it's good to know, because like, especially if they were written kind of simultaneously, created simultaneously, I feel like that's good to have hand in hand information. So, yeah, and I'm not probably gonna read the book. And I'm not. - Why not? - I know, right? I'm just gonna wait for the new movie. So, you know, fun. - Well, happy to fill you in. And I will say, I hope that they do another James Dean nod with the little bastard comment. - Big time. Awesome. - Sidebar, you should see if you could somehow get onto that movie screening. - So fucking great idea. - I'm just saying. If that could be for us or for the show. Just like, just so you know what my problem is. - I love that. I literally hadn't even thought that. And I'm already just like, so, so taken by the concept of a popcorn bucket. - I mean, Christine sitting and Christine eating out of a Christine bucket. Are you kidding me? - I will literally buy that fucking movie poster. I'll be all over it. - I, I, I, can you imagine if this is not this? This is fucking, this is something that someone who is coaxed out writing 700 pages with Senka. Imagine they have Christine the car signing movie posters and it's just like a tread mark. (laughing) - That's an insane shit you and I would do on Adderall. I would be like, this is a perfect thing. We haven't slept in three days. I have the perfect thing. - I think that'd be so funny. If I saw a car drive over a poster for me, I'd be like. - That's fucking great. - That's actually wonderful. That's so funny. - Just like through an ink pad and then straight over the other thing. - Yes. Oh my god. 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They never quite go away. - There's no way that this is the end of their story unfortunately. - Unfortunately not, yeah. - Okay, okay, I'm very ready, I'm ready. - It's early 2022. Things are not going well for our guy, Alex Murdock. His wife, 52-year-old Maggie Murdock and son, 22-year-old Paul were just shot and killed at their home on the family's Mozel property in June of 2021. In September, he was forced to resign from his law firm following allegations that he stole huge sums of money from clients. And the next day, he claimed to survive a random attempt on his life at the side of the road when a stranger shot him in the head while he was changing his tire. What a weird coincidence. He apparently miraculously survived, but it was all an act because he quickly admitted that he'd actually enlisted the help of his friend, 61-year-old Curtis Eddie Smith to murder him. And his friend Eddie was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, that is not what happened. At all, he's making this story up. Eddie denied any involvement. According to him, Alex did approach him and say, "Hey, will you shoot me?" And Eddie was like, no. - Yeah, I'm not shooting. - Actually fucking dumbass. - No. - Actually thank you so much for asking. That was super thoughtful of you, but no. (laughing) Alex said, fine, I'll find a way to do it myself and drove away. And Eddie was like, that's my friend. I'm gonna follow him. So he follows him out of concern. And when they pull over, Alex approached Eddie's vehicle with a gun. And Eddie was like, what the fuck? And pulled out his own gun. And he's like, when I pulled out my gun and shot into the air, he freaked out, fell over and hit his head on a rock. So the gun shot was actually just like a bump on the head from a rock. He wasn't like actually a gun shot. Eddie said, he knew he didn't shoot him. There was no blood and there was no blood on either him or himself on Alex or himself. So he was like, I just went home. He's like, and then the next thing I hear, he's like accusing me of shooting him, you know, on the side of the road. - Right, right, right. - Okay, drama. - Yeah, drama. So he goes home soon after Alex calls 911 and says, I was shot. Alex's legal representation tried to claim that like Eddie masterminded the whole thing and he was this big drug dealer and all the stuff and he took advantage of Alex. But Eddie was like, no, I was just like his friend and I didn't want to be part of this weird scheme. - Right. - And I had no idea what was going on. So that kind of fell apart for Alex. Things are not looking good. It kind of became like he said, he said, but Alex somehow still had bigger problems than just staging his own death because, you know, his family has been murdered and people are siding him even though he claims he had nothing to do with it. And as part of this investigation as they're looking into the murders are the deaths murders. Yeah, Maggie and Paul, they reopen a 2015 murder case of 19 year old Steven Smith. And this is the kid who was gay and his family really supported and loved him. But there were rumors going around that he had some relationship with one of the Murdoch kids and he was killed because of this. Or there had to, you know, there was at least some connection because the Murdoch's kept coming up anytime, like investigators asked people about it and anytime the Murdoch's name came up investigators kind of stopped messing with Alex. like they didn't want to, you know, go there. - Like they clearly were, they had friends on the force or like they were being paid off or their donation was important or whatever. - Exactly, like they had such power that like law enforcement was like, we're not even gonna mess with it, like we know better. Yeah, it just sucks, it really sucks. But there's only so much you can do, you know? I mean, it's a lot apparently before you get called out, but damn. So they confirmed to the public detectives confirmed that Steven's case was being reviewed because of information they gathered during Maggie and Paul's murder investigation, but they don't go into further detail. So there's clearly some connection there between the Murdoch's and the death of Steven. So they're just like racking up these deaths throughout the county, like just random people. - I mean, at this point they're like their name has come up in multiple cases. - Yes, and remember the boating incident, you know, and now like the, it's just all this is so much. - The whole town has to be like, they are. - Okay, and for sure. - And also I'd be like, if I knew they were involved in this much, I'd be like, do I step away from them or like keep myself safe to way, like act like I'm still chummy with them? - Well that's a big part of it, I think, is like people didn't know what to do, they felt stuck. 'Cause it's like. - Yeah, and they can clearly get away from hurting you, if they don't like that you're pushing them away now, you know? - Right, and like even if you survive it, like you probably won't get fucking justice or anything, or like they threaten, for example, Eddie, like he mentioned that Alex would threaten his adult daughter. He'd be like, oh, I know where she lives. You know, like vaguely like threaten. - Oh my God. - And it's like they do, they literally, and they follow through with these threats, which is so scary. - And like it's also like the whole family is like a, I don't wanna say mastermind, give them that kind of credit, but like it feels a little mafia, where it's not just like one random kid is like, - They have a whole web. - Yeah, like everybody knows something's going on, and everyone's weirdly fine with it in the family. - Yes, it's really wild. Like it's like everybody just kind of balances out this like, oh, I just won't say anything about that. You don't say anything about this is all very toxic and scary. - Yeah. - So in addition to opening Steven's case at the insistence of a corner, another case, a new case was also open to evaluate the alleged trip and fall accident of 57 year old Gloria Satterfield, who was a housekeeper at the Murdoch's house for more than 20 years, until she suffered a fatal injury on the property. And then I don't know if you remember, but her sons never received any payout that Alex Murdoch promised like, oh, we'll make sure like, we'll get this taken care of legally and we'll make sure you get money as a, and then he stole, he took it, he took it all. So the Murdoch family, who'd enjoyed more than 100 years, a century of essentially legal immunity in this corner of the world, were finally being looked at under this new spotlight, right? And like everything was coming out. In October of 2021, Alex was arrested on felony charges for alleged financial crimes, and by summer of the next year, he was disbarred as an attorney by the South Carolina Supreme Court, while he faced 79 charges on 15 indictments. And as his clients and victims began realizing what had been done to them, they started speaking out. And so like the charges are starting to rack up, you know? Is there a realizing wait? This guy stole from me too. Gloria Satterfield's family, who discovered that Alex had stolen their settlement from Gloria's wrongful death lawsuit, were far from alone. I have another really wild and fucked up example here. So in 2009, this woman named, yeah, I know. Buckle up. Pamela Pinkney, she was on a quick grocery trip with her daughter, son and niece. She suddenly lost control of the SUV on the interstate. It's swerved off the road, rolled multiple times. Pamela suffered broken bones in her neck, knee thigh, shoulder, and both ankles. Her daughter and niece sustained injuries that were less serious, but her 19 year old son, Hakeem, was ejected from the vehicle and sustained a spinal injury which caused quadriplegia. Oh my god. Oh my god. Yeah, horrifying. He became paralyzed from the neck down. He needed to be placed on a ventilator to assist his breathing, which required meticulous care. He had to go live in a nursing home roughly 90 miles away from his family, making it really difficult for them to be together. And to advocate for him, especially because he was deaf, diagnosed with significant hearing loss as a toddler. Oh my god. And so following the crash, he was able to communicate with a dry erase board and sign language, but his self-advocacy was very limited, because it would only be dependent on whether the staff or caretakers were actually listening and engaging. And so it was just hard for his family to be away and feel like he was in good hands, especially because deaf and hard of hearing people in the US are at highly increased risk of communication and medical neglect. So when it became evident to Pamela that the crash was caused by a malfunctioning tire, she saw a legal recourse against the tire's manufacturer. And she hired the law firm, Peter's Murdoch, Parker Ellstroth, and Dietrich, or Dietrich. So the settlement would be crucial to pay and provide for Hakeem's care needs. If she won this lawsuit, she'd be able to move him closer to a home that was more aligned with what they needed and more focused care. And so Alex started showing up at the hospital, telling her, like, don't worry. We were going to take care of your family. She said, I trusted him wholeheartedly. I know. He even told her he saw her family as his own family. He was really on top of it. He began, allegedly, I mean, not at all, but on surface level, that's what it seemed like. When she needed to help Hakeem get a conservator to oversee his care, because Pamela had her own injuries. She was recovering from because of this crash. Alex helped her establish a working relationship with banking executive Russell Lafitte, who then began managing Hakeem's finances. And so she felt like, oh, finally, I have this team, I know, helping me, I know. Hakeem, who had been a celebrated school athlete before his injury was making some progress in his recovery. Pamela said he could breathe on his own for a little while every day and was really working to recover what physical function he could. But he still primarily relied on the ventilator and off ventilator he needed to be closely monitored. Well, on October 11th, his ventilator was somehow unplugged and left on-- - I fucking knew it, I knew it. - Unplugged for 30 minutes before any staff member at Pruitt Health, North Augusta noticed. - Literally just someone just yanked the cord. - Probably, or just-- - Yeah, apparently. - Oh my God. - Just totally unplugged, unplugged. Hakeem, unable to speak or call for help, was abandoned to die just four days after Alex Murdoch settled the crash lawsuit out of court. - Oh my God. Pamela pursued a second lawsuit this time for a wrongful death and worked with the same firm. But Pamela said she wasn't even seeking money, just answers and she's still waiting to this day. She said they've never told her what happened to her son and the loss is just beyond words. Turns out, come to find out, even while Hakeem was living, Alex had already been conspiring to steal from him and his family. - Well. - What a surprise. - Together with that guy, Russell Lafitte, and another lawyer named Corey Fleming, Alex Murdoch stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from Hakeem's family following the settlement for the car crash and his wrongful death. - I mean, I'm not surprised at all that his bank friend or his lawyer friend or whatever was in on it from-- - In on it? - Exactly. - Like a million percent. - Exactly. The Pinkney family was just one of many families. But, I mean, think about the traumatic scenario you're already in and then someone to take advantage of that is just sick already on every level. - And I mean, I can't imagine not being able to scream for help or like-- - Yeah, I mean, it's sick. It's like out of a fucking horror movie. - It's out of a horror movie. It's terrible. It's terrible. - Oh my God, oh my God. - I didn't even like saying that out loud. - Yeah. So, investigators began to consider that stress from the mounting pressure on Alex for the financial crimes along with Paul's upcoming trial for the boat crash that killed one of his closest friends might've escalated to the point that Alex felt cornered and killed his family. I mean, we've seen this fucking a million times, right? Like the family annihilator. Like the money pressure is too much. There are reputations on the line. And so, what do they do? They kill their family. Not themselves, but their family. Although his rod had not yet fully come to light before Maggie and Paul were killed, he was getting like increasingly in trouble and he felt that like the earth was shaking, right? Roughly a week before the murders, he was in trouble with the law again because the department of natural resources had caught him drinking on the boat with his friends. And the friends were about to take the boat on the water with a cooler full of booze. And this was while Paul was awaiting trial for that drunken boat crash. - She is like, stay away from boats. - Just fucking like try for a second. - Like can you just say that? - Exactly. - So you also have like a 10 million acre fucking attention or whatever. Can you just stay home? - Yeah, just a whole 10,000 acres to hang out on. - Just stay home. - Exactly. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, no, no. He does what he wants. So on June 7th of 2021, the day Paul and Maggie were murdered. Jean Seconder, the CFO at Alex's law firm, confronted Alex about finding missing money, hundreds of thousands of dollars. So the chief of financial officer at your law firm reaches out and says, where's all this money? - And you got like, huh? - Yeah, I don't know. - Me? - Jean later said that she wasn't accusing Alex of outright theft, but suspected he might have been moving around funds like to try and protect the boat crash, you know, have money aside for the boat crash, legal battle. She didn't even realize how bad it was. In the middle of their conversation, though, Alex took a phone call and found out his father Randolph was in the hospital with pneumonia and would not recover. So Jean is like, "Okay, okay." Like, did this actually happen or was this just to get out of the conversation? So she assumed he was off to see his dying father, but later that day he called her office and asked for information on 401k bounces because he wanted to deal with more bo-accident hearing stuff. And I was surprised he was still in the building and didn't understand why. And later that night Maggie and Paul were both killed while Alex, according to his story, was visiting his mother. So yeah, no, I don't think any of it was real about the pneumonia because there's no substance to that at all. Fair enough. And he stayed in the building and didn't, I think it was just a way to hang out. Yeah. And again, smelled that from a mile away, but exactly. So when Alex returned home and discovered his family's bodies, he called 911 and when officers arrived, he was recorded on their body camera saying Paul had received threats about Mallory's death in the boat crash. And so officers began speculating that the murders were just revenge, not just, but were revenge from somebody involved in the boating incident. But friends and family were like, "No, that's not what's going on here." And the days following the murders, the crime scene was shockingly unsecured. So the family's housekeeper Blanca, who is also Maggie the mom's best friend, said Alex asked her to clean up the house because family and friends were coming over to like drop off food and grieve and he wanted the house to look clean. So she showed up at the house the day after the killings drove onto the property and walked right past police officers into the house, not a single person asked who she was. She was like, "This is really weird, my best friend was just murdered here at my workplace." And my other employer is like asking me to clean up the house. Just all of it was very surreal. And I'd be pissed off too being like, "Why aren't the cops suspicious of me?" Because that means they're not suspicious of other people coming in. They're not letting anyone in. Yeah, exactly. This doesn't feel like a real crime scene. This feels like they're just sitting there for like, posterity. And then they're totally. Yeah, like just to be there. And she even said like when she got inside the house, things looked wrong. For example, Maggie's pajamas were just like laying outside the bedroom on the floor, which was really weird and unlike her. Yeah, weird. Yep. And she also said that she had made dinner the night that they were killed for Maggie and Paul and had left it on the stove. And she found the dinner in the fridge, but in the pot. And she's like, "That's not how she ever would have put the food away." Oh, okay. She didn't put the big pot in the fridge. She would have like put it into like, tap or wear or put it in a container. Right. So like whatever happened must have been rushed or there was a. Or somebody else put it away. You know, like somebody said, "Oh, I'll just put the pot in the fridge." And it's like, "That's not usually how she did that." And it was already abnormal because she said almost every time that she cooked for Maggie, Maggie would call her afterward to talk and like always check in. 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And, like, of course, you know, I always talk about, like, the cockiness of these people. But the fact that it's even being emboldened by, like, how sloppy these cops are even, like, they're just pretending, they're truly not actively doing anything. It's not even like they have any, yeah, any, yeah, no qualms about it at all. So when they were killed, Paul was standing in the feed room at the dog kennels. He was ambushed and shot in the chest with a shotgun. He stumbled forward and was shot again in the head and collapsed just outside the feed room door. Maggie was killed just yards from Paul. She was shot multiple times with a 300-blackout rifle. Several wounds were nonfatal until she finally sustained a killing shot. The Murdoch's own both guns, which matched the murder weapons, but they actually were never able to recover the murder weapons. Oh, that's coming in. Yep. As the murder investigation progressed, detectives told Alex he was a suspect and that he- they had to follow the evidence, kind of like, so sorry about that. We do have to follow the evidence though. Oops. Oh, awkward. So Alex held on to his alibi that he was visiting his mother when the murders took place. His mother's name was Libby Murdoch and she was in advanced stages of dementia and she was of course asleep when Alex stopped by her house to check on her. Libby's caretaker, Shelley Smith, was there though and she said Alex called her from outside that night and asked to be led in, sat with her for a while, watched TV. Shelley said he was acting very fidgety and then he headed home, where he discovered Maggie and Paul's bodies. Now, Alex's timeline of events quickly fell apart. Huh? Investigators? Yeah, I know. It's shocking. When they managed to unlock Paul's phone after correctly guessing that he had used his own birthday. So Paul's birthday was the code and they opened Paul's phone and they looked through it. Turns out he had been dog sitting for a childhood best friend named Rogan who lived out of town. So his dog cash was living in the Murdoch's kennel. So Paul was like watching his buddy's dog. Well, what Alex didn't know is that just minutes before Paul and Maggie were shot, Paul was in the kennel filming a video for his friend Rogan, a video of the puppy. Okay. So Paul was dog sitting and cash had something wrong with his tail, so Paul's trying to show it to him. And instead of like FaceTiming, he just decides to record a video on his phone. So in the video, Paul enters cash's kennel and cash is so excited and jumping around. He's a really young dog and in the background, you could hear Maggie saying something about her own beloved dog, Bubba, having a bird in its mouth. Bubba was Maggie's dog that she took everywhere. So you hear Maggie in the background saying, oh, Bubba has got a bird in his mouth. Then a second voice is heard saying, that's not a bird, it's a rock. And that voice belongs no doubt to Alex Murdoch, according to testimony by people who know him. Oh, wow. Okay. He speaks again, calling Bubba to come over to him. It's clearly Alex Murdoch. This video was recorded at 8.44 pm when Alex had repeatedly insisted he was not at home. He was with his mother. Okay. Just believe Maggie and Paul were killed immediately after this video was taken within minutes, within five minutes. That's, it's always so, so eerie when you can see footage of somebody moments before something happened. A hundred percent. Oh, my God. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. And it was here Maggie, like talking in the background and not the world's highest priority question. But like, did he also kill the dog? No, no, he didn't kill the dog. I don't think he was concerned with that. He just, anyone that had maybe evidence or would remember could, well, I think it's just that family annihilation thing. Like he's just cornered and he doesn't want the humiliation to, you know, and he's like, they've got to go. I don't know. I don't know that we'll ever know. But also this is all alleged because you'll see. Okay. So Paul and Maggie were extremely active on their phones, typically like text snapchats. But at this point, five, after five minutes of this video, their phones both completely stopped and were not used again. So if this time of death was correct, Alex was with Maggie and Paul only five minutes before they were both shot and killed, regardless, he was on the property and with them both when he said he wasn't. So either way, he's lying. And on July 14, 2022, he was finally indicted on two counts of murder and two counts of possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime and Alex of course pleaded not guilty and the trial commenced January 23, 2023. Shelly took the stand, the caretaker for Alex's mom and she basically destroyed his remaining alibi. Good, good, good. Yeah, she said that after the murders, Alex stopped by Libby's house and told Shelly that if anyone asked how long he was there the night before to tell them 30 or 40 minutes, but he'd been there barely 20. That is very brave of her to just go straight up. Hey, she is not being honest. I think it was really scary, probably, but yeah, I mean that family she knew what that family could do. Yes, totally, totally. She was agonized about this too because she actually really liked the family and loved working for them and the mom, but she couldn't bring herself to lie, especially when two people were dead and two people she cared about. So she just couldn't lie, she cried on the stand giving her testimony and Alex took the stand of course to testify on his own behalf and he finally did admit that he had lied about his alibi and his whereabouts, but he insisted he didn't actually kill them or see anyone who killed them. He just happened to be there five minutes before in that funny in that funny and he also didn't want to talk about either he clearly had that. Oops, yeah, he well they asked why he lied about it and this is what he said he quoted Sir Walter Scott's famous writing. Oh, what a tangled web we we shut the fuck up the fuck up the second that you're using famous people's quotes to just like not have to give an answer. Right, exactly over it loser behavior like Walt Whitman over here thinks that he's going to this is going to be this fuck what did he think that they were going to go. Oh my God, that was really that was so emotionally potent. I'm moved. Oh, that speaks to me so deeply you're right. You're off the handcuffs off. Yeah, you're good. Let him go boys. So let him go he's already a tone for his sins just nuts. So as for his financial crimes, Alex adamantly denied that his finances and life were falling apart at all. And it had nothing to do with harming his family or that it would never have pressured him into any of this course. On March 2nd, 2023, the jury returned an extremely fast verdict of guilty. I'm so glad that would have I honestly would have like thrown up if you said, let me finish the finish the night. I'm sorry. The next day the judge sent his Alex Murdoch to two consecutive life sentences one for Maggie stuff and one for Paul. Now months later, Alex pleaded guilty to 22 federal charges for his financial crimes and he was sentenced to an additional 40 years in prison. Now, there were a lot of unanswered questions still about Alex or about Maggie and Paul's murders. And because we don't really have answers. Last year, a memorial walk was organized to mark 10 years since Steven Smith was killed. But there's still no evidence there that like Buster or any other Murdoch was involved in Steven's death. And there's just not much more they can kind of pull on that thread right now. But the issue still remains that the Murdochs were never interviewed after Steven's murder and like that's already a huge red flag. And the fact that they even reopened the case and confirmed it was linked to Maggie and Paul's murder like there's something there. Okay. Even though the family keeps being like, you're slandering them, you're defaming them. It's like, fuck up. They defame themselves, Jesus. So, you know, there's nothing proven there, but people continue to speculate that something's going on with that connection, all alleged. With Alex behind bars and victims of his financial crimes receiving settlements, it pretty much seemed like you said like Alex Murdoch's story was over. But, you know, sometimes the big bad boss just has to fucking rear its ugly head again because. Yeah. Yeah. December 8th, 2025, Clerk of Court, Rebecca Hill pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice and perjury. And she had been Clerk of Court during Alex's trial and was accused by Alex's defense team of influencing the jury and interfering with the trial. Oh, okay. I mean, yeah. So, yeah, it's pretty, that'll do it. It's pretty wild. It was Becky's job to attend to the judge and jury during the trial as well as oversee the exhibits that would be presented. And Becky was discovered to have shown sealed photographs of the crime scene to journalists when she was not allowed to do that. No, no, no, no. More than one juror reported that before Alex says testimony, Becky informed them to watch his body language closely and not be fooled by him. It's like, girl, shut the fuck up. Yeah, truly like, what are you doing? What are you doing? And this is even nuttier. jurors also reported that when their deliberations began, Becky told them they would have to stay overnight in a hotel if they didn't quickly reach a verdict. And they hadn't packed for an overnight stay, so they were like upset and surprised. So like trying to rush them out the door, like hurry up. Trying to rush them. Yep, yep. And it worked. Remember, they came back super fast. I did. I sure did. For like such a big murder trial, too, it's like you're rushing them out the door. I don't know anything about trials, like I wouldn't know anything about, but I feel like there's just some cases where you just, I know it has to be like a fair trial, blah, blah, blah, blah. And like we should hear everybody out. And I do believe that. But at the same time, it's like was something this big in the whole town knows, like I feel like you have to assume everyone's just going to immediately say they're guilty, right? Like it's, I don't even know if that's biased. I think that's just like everyone's taken a look around for a while and knows what's going on. I mean, I, that's the thing is like I think he would have buried himself. Like there's no, he's already buried himself. Like don't fucking interfere and like ruin a good thing by like fucking up the logistics and technicalities. Right. So that now he gets off like years later. It just really pisses me off. Yeah, it's like so irresponsible. I just can't, I just really bothers me because here's another thing she did. And jurors reported that Becky told them that they wouldn't be allowed to have a smoke break until they reached a verdict. They weren't allowed to smoke cigarettes. Oh, so then all the smokers are getting fucking fidgety. She's like, you can't, you're not allowed to have a cigarette. Tell you to figure this out. What the fuck? Jesus, wow. She also wrote a book about the case and her involvement in it as the clerk of car. And it turns out it was unpublished after some of the introduction was found to have been plagiarized. Can you imagine it's like Sir Walter Scott. It's like, um, oh, the tangled love. We. Stupid. That's actually that is very in a very fucked up way very funny. Very apropos. Very apropos. So Becky was sentenced to probation and community service for showing the sealed exhibits to members of the media. And South Carolina Supreme Court reviewed an appeal by ox's defense team, which claimed that she interfered with jurors and this impenaged upon an infringement upon his right to a fair trial, which like, yeah, I did. I think on May 13th of this year, 2026, the state Supreme Court sided with Alex Murdoch and his team. And in a statement, the justices said that Becky, quote, placed her fingers on the scales of justice thereby denying Murdoch is right to a fair trial. Wow. I think that's a really cool quote there. And not even like from a famous art author or anything. Right, I know, like, listen, this fucking the justices are like, we don't need to plagiarize our shit, you know. Um, so Alex's guilty verdicts were overturned and the arduous process for a retrial has begun. Oh my god. Yeah, and this time the defense is saying they don't think testimony of Alex's financial crimes should be allowed. So we'll see what happens, but the prosecution is like very insistent that his financial crimes are linked to the murders. Oh my god. There's going to be some back and forth there. I remember when we started this, you've been said that this was very topical and like all over your tech talk and all that. And I didn't really hear about it, but you just reminded me when you said that this all happened in 2025, like December 2025. And I'm like, oh my god, this is, this is still very topical. Well, yeah, and it's still continuing. I mean, the, it's the, well, the murder, this, the Paul and Maggie were killed in 2022. So it's just the trial that's now timely, but like, you know, all this other stuff has been like years and years. And it keeps coming up because she keeps happening, like with the Stephen and Gloria and like these cases keep getting brought up again. Talk about a tangled fucking web, you know. Yeah, no kidding. So despite the murder convictions being overturned, Alex will remain in prison for his financial charges. And the new trial for Alex Murdoch and the murder of Maggie and Paul Murdoch is scheduled to begin in spring of 2027. So that is the final installment of the Murdochs. And now you see why it ended up being three parts because the amount of crimes within crimes within crimes and crimes. And you know what? Unfortunately, I feel like you just scratched the surface. This is just what they've been caught doing. There's no way, and that's, oh, that's true too. It's like, there's no way this is it. There's no way it's allegedly allegedly, allegedly. If they were doing things like Marish Ghargite would have done, like, yeah, this would have just given her enough incentive to just peel back every single fucking boom that's ever happened on that family. To just get to the bottom of it. I know. And I bet you someday, I bet you there are people out there doing that right now, you know. Someone in those documentaries and reading those books. Oh my gosh. Well, thank you for finishing it. I guess because I took three times. I feel like how many - How many times have you had three partners? I feel like not that many. - Only a couple, I think, was it Domer? There were a couple that were three partners. I don't remember off the top of my head. This was gonna be two, but yeah, now it's three. And then next week is the final, is the last episode? Is that right? Is that my last episode next week? - Yeah, yeah, five, five, oh four. - The next crazy new pressure, okay. Alla, it's gonna be great. It's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be perfect. - Okay, I think, I don't, we'll see how it goes. I know it's also like, you know, we could, it could be a sad thing, but I'm thinking of it more. It's like a nice full circle. I keep hearing the, as we go on music. - I can't get it out of my head. I can't get it out. - So I'm very excited to have one big grand finale with you, your big grand exit. I wish if we were in person, there'd be like a carpet for you to wave goodbye as you slowly fade into the sunset or something. - On a carpet, interesting. - A beach, I don't know what-- - A beach could work? - What would you want? - You know, I could do like a hot air balloon. - Oh, you've watched Moody's point on the email show where the mom. - Yes, like that. - You could be, you could be our Moody's mom. Just kind of, every now and then, someone gets a glimpse in the sky. There she is, there she is. She's watching over us, yeah. Yeah, it could be like a xenon thing though, you know, like xenon and I zip away in our UFO. - Oh, you know what, that would actually, I don't know how to animate that. - I don't know how to animate, but it would be funny if, if there was a way to actually do this or a xenon were a real person and we could hire her to do this, it'd be really delicious if we ended with her beaming you up and us watching you spill frappuccinos together on the way to outer space, something. - Oh my God, we're just going to Starbucks, bye. - Yeah, oh, I love that. Oh my God, xenon and I have somewhere to go. - xenon, wherever you are, this is your chance girl. - You're just, I'm ready. - Okay, I will. - Care how sticky the floor is over your car. I don't care. - They're gross. I feel like you could peel layers off of her. - Big time. - If she were to come down and beaming you up, what color would the beam be? - Ooh, glittery for sure. - I feel like with her, it's only like, like legally blonde pink. - Totally over the top. - Yeah. - Bubblegum something. - Over the top. - Like, she has that pink razor phone. - Yes, I feel like it's like unicorn swirl, where it's like that pink glitter kind of stuff. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like whatever Leona dreams in. - Yeah, that color. - Yeah. It's a pretty color, I'm not going to lie. - You know what, I got a hand at two. I'm there, they're maximalists all the way, you know? - Whether you get beamed up at the end of next episode. Or that's how you go into the afterlife. I hope your portal, your immortal portal is just a. - Thank you. - You're a lessened pink. - Thank you, that's all I could ever ask. - Actually, so that is a quote from like Waldo Emerson or whatever it is. (laughing) - One of the waltz or somebody. - One of the waltz, whatever. - Okay, well thank you so much for everyone listening and oh my gosh, it's wild that next week is the, I haven't, like quite the end of the chapter. - The end of an era. - But thank you everyone, thank you for finishing off this three-parter and we'll see you next week. See you soon and that's why we drink.