E498 Glossy Grinch Lips and Ghost Escape Rooms

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Is it really? Yeah. It's not. No, I reserve that for one special day of the year. This year, people aren't going to get it. Would you like to pre-record it and we can have Megan put it in? Oh my god. On the spot who me, as the spotlight comes down, my microphone swings into frame. All right, everyone. We're hearing it now. Or maybe know what? I'm going to make you wait till Christmas. Jack, I know. What's it called? Kelly Oaky when like Kelly Clarkson just like ripped just like handles that. That's hilarious. I've never heard of that, but I love that. Kelly Clarkson has now become a adjective or something where it's like, oh, they Kelly Clarkson thought and it's like they did the best version you've ever heard. Oh, that's nice because usually turning a person's name into a verb doesn't end so kindly, you know? You really shrewd it. Yeah. You really shifred it. You know what I mean? No, you Kelly Clarkson thought. Oh, my God. Thank you. Happy to have witnessed it three months in advance. I think Kelly Clarkson's saying the original soundtrack, so that makes sense. Yeah. I think so too. I'm obviously talking about the original 1969 version of the TV special. So I know what you're saying. Okay. Just making sure. Anyway, I don't know where we're cutting back into the episode, but that got really weird and I think my body is still returning to sort of, do you feel yourself settling a little bit? Yeah, it's sort of like, you know, glitching like my soul is like trying to like come back, but like the grinch kind of the energy really like threatened, threatened part of my soul. I think you should. I think you weren't. Yeah, you should. You should. That's called survival instincts. Yeah. Well, Christy, that was everything. Yeah. It was something for sure. How are you? Yeah. Thank you for asking. I'm okay. I'm. I'm so thirst. I'm drinking so much water. I will have to pee during this, you know, and just like go through phase, we're like, well, I'm just, I just, I love such a hydrated queen. And then for like weeks, you're like, I forgot water existed and then you turn to the sponge, you turn a sponge, Bob. I. But water. Yeah. I know. Yes. That's me. I, um, I feel like I always alarm people when I have a really good swig of water and I out Lago, oh God, I'm so good, it's literally like I had three seconds left. Yeah. Yep. I understand. Congratulations. Thank you. It probably won't last. But for now, I'm riding the high. Excellent. I. The hydration. Wow. You're really on one today, huh? I am. What's happening? Oh, it's in it. We announced I'm leaving. And then I was like, oh, my God. Help. My ego has been murdered over and over. Yeah. I still haven't looked at comments. Yeah. It's awkward. It was really, it was, it was, it was an experience. Let's just say I was absorbing a lot of shock waves in my system that day. But I see. Uh, I actively ran away. So. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm still, I'm still gone. So. Yeah. I mean, I do see horses behind you as it, it's like a few palominos we've got decorating the walls. What's happening? What's happening? It's crazy. How are you? Oh, right now I'm actually, I have a flight leaving Lexington. So I'm in Kentucky actually right now. Oh my God. Hi. Hi. But I was going to, I was going to go to Lexington this weekend. Oh, really? No. No, this was just, this was just the cheapest flight last minute. So I had to end up. Oh my God. Hi Lexington. No wonder there's horses behind. You're literally an hour away from me. This is terrifying. Yeah. I actually don't know how far away I am. What? What? Yeah. You are literally like an hour from me. That's crazy. No, I spent way too long in Indianapolis. And then I ended up in, oh, I ended up in Santa Claus, Indiana. Ah, yes. Love that for you. No. Devastating blow, everybody. I have wanted, and I've said this for a very long time, my dream was to go to holiday worlds. Yeah. Which is in Santa Claus, India. Yeah. So my intention, the only reason I even went through Indiana at all was to end up in Santa Claus. Would you? It's my own fault. I just assumed that theme parks are open every single day. And apparently holiday world is only open every single day in June and July and it's September. And I drove all the F and away through all of Indiana. Didn't the Google Maps say like warning closed? No, because I kept doing a lot of like what I did like last night, like a lot of midnight driving. And so everything's closed because I'm like, oh, it's midnight driving because I'm trying to do as much as possible during the day and then I drive in them all night long and then I get there and like sleep for a couple hours in a hotel and then just like keep going. So that's what happened last night. I was like at the anyway. So literally as I'm leaving, I got here. This is how crazy I am. This is how little time I have here. I was like, what are some good coffee shops? I have to do something to our sea while I'm in Lexington. And I ended up going to all these coffee shops this morning. I woke up at 7 a.m. this time here just so I could go do something. And I the only thing that's open is breakfast and coffee shops. So I did like a flight. I went to like four different coffee shops and tried every single one of their drinks. Yeah. Four of my favorite. Which one of my favorite? Well, I haven't tried two of them yet. Because I'm going for a week. I'm going to this weekend. I've never, the only time I ever went to Lexington, I have a friend visiting from out of town. And so I'm going there this weekend. It's not you. Can you imagine? It's not me. Or maybe it is. I'm confused. I don't know. But it's crazy. I was going to go down there at some point this weekend. And I never go down there. I've been to Louisville a few times. But Lexington is where I got my coffee shot back in the day. Oh, really? So that's my like only experience was going to Lexington for that. But so I don't really know much about it anyway. Let me, well, I'm trying to look at like, like I didn't get to do anything while I'm here. The only things I've done here are things that were road trip accessible. So like, there's a water tower here that looks like a dexie cup. So I drove past that and took a picture of it. Like it's like things like that. Like I didn't get to go into like any shops or anything. So you'll have to let me know how it goes. But there is a castle here that you can have a drink at and have. So I was like, I kept trying to find things that were stops along the way. And so I was like, there's a fucking castle. I'm going to go in that castle. And then I went on the roof. It was fun. Oh. Of the castle. Where it's? Yes. There were many. Oh, fantastic. You'll love it. And it actually was very, I think you would actually really like it. And I think you can like reserve reservations to get into their castle, Lexington. I think it's the Kentucky castle. Oh. How exciting for me. I didn't know that such a thing existed. Anyway, that was on the way in. But then I just took a fat sleep. And then I woke up and I was like, I have to go do something to say I did something in Lexington. So one of the coffee shops I went to, oh, the cup doesn't have a name. I like when the cup has a name. But this is stripping everywhere. This is called I wrote down in case you want to go. I do. Oh, my God, what's it called? Help me. Oh, you know what you'll like? Because it was open. It was open when I got here. And it was really quiet. Imaginary in the day to be even cooler. You should write this down. The Kentucky native cafe. Okay. Oh, wait. I think I know about them. It's like all outdoorsy with icicle lights and everything. But there's like, it's also. It's also part like plant shop green house and so everything's outdoors, but very luscious and beautiful. And they have a really good menu. as how I was, I couldn't get any food, but whatever, it looked good. Anyway, you should go there. And then this coffee that I'm currently holding, Ms. Drippy, is a cup of commonwealth. And they have a wall full of like those coffee holders, like coffee, like the brown thing, like the sleeves, the sleeves. And every sleeve up there is a prepaid coffee in case someone like once a coffee and can't pay for it that day. - That's nice. - And then this one I went to, - I'm gonna wipe it off so I can get a close to the camera. - It's called caffeine, but like fiends, like enemies, and it's got a little alien on it. - Caffeine. - A fiend for caffeine. Oh, the alien I like. - That's literally why I want it. - Oh my god, you do have a whole flight situation. - Those are two of them. And then I also went to one that, oh my god, what was that called? I have a picture of it. Oh, it's called the old-school coffee, and it literally looks like a one-room school house on the outside. (gasps) - I feel like I need to, you're gonna have to send me these 'cause I tried to write them down, but now I'm just like writing words like castle and school house, and it's not gonna make any sense when I do this later. And I'm like, help to my friend like, who's not from Kentucky? - Help me find the castle. - No, and then they also have something. I'm really hoping if we finish in time, I'm gonna try to sneak it into before the airport. They've got, it's called the toy headquarters. And apparently that's just like all these, it's like a vintage toy mall or something. - That sounds scary to me. - Really? - That sounds fun. - Well, it feels like it's gonna have like talking dolls and stuff. - Oh, it probably will. - You know what I mean? Like the default furbies. - Yes, precisely. I have to tell you one more thing. I feel bad. I need to, let me ask you a question, and you do-- - You, oh my god. - Please, no. - Rip something because I have something I wanna talk about, but I don't wanna go for a speech. - No, I'd rather just listen. - Okay, what do you want me to talk? I can ya, what do you want me to get up about? Oh, I gotta green juice, that's exciting. I'm trying to get more fiber in my diet, does that help? - Yeah, what's in that? - I have no fucking clue, Kale, I'm telling you. - Okay, okay. - Okay. (laughing) - I have really nothing exciting to report except that I will be going to Lexington soon, probably. - I'm so, so we'll do like a book and tour here. We'll do, you start it, I finish it for like two days. - You know, yeah. - That would be very fun. - It is very fun. - It is very fun, it's very fun. - 'Cause we have such different interests when we travel. - Yes. - I think. I mean, until you said castle and all that other, and coffee, but, you know. - We have overlap, but I think we travel very differently. And I, I would be interested. - I would be interested in waking up at 7am for sure. That's for sure. - I would be interested to go travel to a town and then you go and then we'd like, talk about our like very opposite experiences there. 'Cause part of me is like, oh, I have all these things to recommend to people, but then I'm like, I feel like half the people I know wouldn't want any of these things. - Like now I don't drink anymore. So it's like, I literally, I'm a different, like I feel like I'm a different person. Because it's like, I don't just go to bars or like get drunk and then like sleep in, you know? I mean, I, that's true, but I went to a castle and got a drink, like you just got to get the right drink. And now that's what I'm saying, I think I might be more your style of traveler now that I don't drink, you know what I mean? Like it's like, oh, I'm more intrigued by like mocktails. That's already putting me in such a big m camp that I can barely breathe. And then like the milkshake situation is off the chain. Like what's happening, you know. It's like, this is all just going topsy-turvy world. So I can for sure say that like we may have more overlap in Lexington, Kentucky than we believe. - I will say, I wonder what that, well, I can't even say I wonder because like isn't this like bourbon town? I feel like it almost is like a relief in some ways as a non-drinker that like, oh, we'll have the attractions. I don't even have to think about doing those because they're not for me. And then I feel like I can explore so much more. - Four is the bourbon trail stuff. And I was like, I'm gonna be just like not doing that part. So to city, so to city, dirty soda. So it's gonna be, you know, it'll be fun. But, well, that's why I also go to so many speakeasies 'cause I'm like, if I can't drink it, better at least look cool, you know. - The aesthetic better at least be enjoyable, yeah. - Which there are a few speakeasies out here. So, you'll have a good time. - I love Kentucky, man, I love it here. - There's, oh, this is what I wanted to tell you. So the things that I spent most of my time in Michigan and Indiana, this is just like a pass through situation. But in Indiana, no, in Michigan, I've told you before, there is a town called hell. - Yeah, so of course I know about hell. - Do you know about their Mayoral program? - Wait, didn't you tell me this? - Yeah, you can be mayor for a day. Like they have an honorary mayor every day. - Oh, you are insane. What did you do? (gasps) - Mayoral proclamation, you are out of your mind. - I knew something fell off on September 5th, 2026. And then immediately, immediately after they do the ceremony, 'cause there's a ceremony, of course. After they do that, they then impeach you. So here's my impeachment papers. - Wait, you get an impeachment? - That's insane. - Certificate of impeachment. And then they also give you a non-warranty deed. - What the fuck is that? - I don't know what that's for, but I love that it feels so official, I feel like Mom Donnie. And then there's, they also give you, oh, a soil analysis. Because part of the program is then they gift you, they like, with a little vial, go out into the dirt scoop out dirt and you get dirt from hell. And they give you a soil analysis, which I'm sure is fake, but it's fun to have. - This is so strange. - And then you get a shirt and the shirt says, I'm the mayor, but then it's like crossed out. And then what else? - This is like Michigan is weird. And let me tell you the entire town of hell, which I've already discussed this before, but now someone who's been there, the entire thing is just an ice cream shop called the creamatorium obviously. And there's a gift shop, there's a mini golf course, and there's a bar called the Hellsaloon. And every time you walk in somewhere, they go, welcome to hell. - It literally feels like we made this on the Sims. - It feels, yeah, like, I know. I just needed to tell you that you're now speaking, oh, and they give you a badge. - Oh, God. - And when you become mayor, they write your name on the sign outside that says, welcome to hell. And then hell's mayor of the day is. - That is pretty cool. That's pretty sick. - I'm just saying. - I'm proud of you. - Thank you. - What did I accomplish? - I have said it for years. I knew I'd be mayor one day. And I was literally mayor for one day. - I felt it, I felt it, I felt it. You could probably read my journal. I'd be like, something's off. Something's very wrong. All of a sudden your eyes did this. - Just a shift in the atmosphere. - Anyway, I was very excited about that. I needed to tell you that I-- - Wow, you're speaking to a former mayor, please. - Wow, and in my own commonwealth at that, how exciting for you to grace my commonwealth with your presence. - Not my jurisdiction, but you know, they got good tea at the alien store, whatever the soda pop. - Yep. - Anyway, that's what I wanted to talk about. That's the reason why I drink. I am in a good way because I was the mayor in a bad way because I've been impeached. It's really embarrassing, I don't want to talk about it. - Why do you do that? - Yeah, I want to talk about it, but that's okay. We can save that for like, why do I drink? Oh God, probably because you became mayor for a day and I, that's literally so scary. (laughing) Just, you know, I thought of you in hell, thank you. - I did think of you in hell. 'Cause I was like-- - Oh. - Well, that's actually like a nice postcard they should sell. - Yeah. - The greenings from hell, they probably do sell that. Well, they have a shirt that says, my friend went to hell and all I got was as a shirt, of course, of course. - They had all the like, all the things for babies. There's a shirt that says I went to heck 'cause like they can't say hell or something. - Double hockey sticks, that's very fun. - This is like, was it coming into weed, California? And like, there's a whole store just like called like weed, California. And it was like license plates, weed. And like, it was just very silly. And it was like, they leaned into it. - It's awful. - That was on the way to Mount Shasta. - Mount Shasta. - Fun. I, no, I was gonna say, I was thinking of you in, not Indianapolis. I don't know, it's Posai. I think it was in, I don't know anymore. It was in Indiana. By the way, Indiana has, you know, like the old drive in restaurants that you see in the movies, where people would like drive up to the restaurant and they put like the little like tray on your window and everything. Indiana's alive and well with those. I went to. - Me too. - I went to a few of those. - And they really lived 15 minutes from Indiana. I have no fucking clue. I've never been there my whole life. That's not true. I've been there a lot, but I don't know anything about it. - I'm telling you, it was so cool. But I was thinking of you when I went to, there was a drive-in movie. And it, I don't know what it, they had like all the old little cartoons playing before and everything. But it was a horror movie in the middle of a cornfield at like 11 o'clock at night. - See? - This is why. - And I didn't happen in Indiana because I was a spare reason. - I don't know what I thought about you. - Thank you for thinking of me during, that is hell. That's my hell. - It made me think of when we were trying to watch sinister. You recall. - When I was trying is really a strong word. - You recall is also a strong word because I don't recall either. Anyway, that was, that's enough talking about the trip. But I've just been all over the place, but there's been a few spots to maybe think of you and anyway. - It's that zooming around, man. And now you're an hour from me and you're like, oh, hi, and there's horses on the wall. This is so exciting. - It's, that, yeah. - Welcome to my commonwealth. You guys are not playing around with the horses over here. That's a lot. - That's not up in my neck of the woods. We don't really care about horses up here. That's more in like your area where you are. So, I always forget that's a thing until I kind of like venture further south and then I go, what the hell with the horses? But, what the hell is a horse, what the hell is a horse? horses and that's all she wrote. Sorry, I just asked for a second. That happened to me earlier when I was singing. Well, speaking of horses, I'm a little disappointed in my story because I was really shooting for speaking of the ambiance. I wanted to give you what you love the most, which is a cowboy story. 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So this is a restaurant with a very silly, silly name. This is an Indianapolis. And I drove past it. And I went, what the hell is that about? And then I looked it up and it said haunted. Then it said cowboy and I went, you see how it happened. And then you had the audacity to think about me in a cornfield watching a horror movie. It's shocking how many times you got brought up in my mind in a cornfield while I was watching a horror movie. It's really, I really hate that about me and I love that about me. You know, so it's kind of a thing I'm learning to live with. Very incessent. I don't I don't even need to be pop in. This is a restaurant that everyone in Indianapolis will know because of its name. By me saying that alone, you probably know what I'm going to say. This is the slippery noodle in. Please. What? Which is different than the old spaghetti factory because I thought for sure they were causing it feels like a Simpsons joke about the old spaghetti factory. Yes, it feels like like a TV or making a joke about yeah, like a Greek version like a like a no license to the name. So the slippery noodle in it is a live blues club where they play blues music seven days a week. It is Indianapolis's oldest bar and it is because I say it every time it's on the National Road Service Historic Places. We started 1850 and it was originally a tavern called the Tremont House, which I'm so over it say it with me everybody. This was supposed to be a house for all the people coming off the railroad whenever they would travel. This was supposed to be like a big stop for all the people getting off the train. The who's who? Yeah, from the two two. Fun fact, this building we just talked about ghost signs a while ago, which is the apparently official name of like when an old business is still painted in my favorite things on the side of a building and it's really distressed and clearly that building has been out for a long time but everyone's like respected the the side and never touched it. There is a ghost sign on the side of the slippery noodle end that still says the Tremont House. I was just a slippery noodle because a ghost sign that said slippery noodle would be something. Honestly, if I ever saw a distressed old vintage I mean slippery noodle though that feels like one of those like 1800 slangs like oh she's a slippery noodle all I got a slippery noodle and know what I mean. Yeah, all you can't say that in mixed company. Yeah. Like you know, it's something gross. Yeah, for sure. So it was the Tremont House and then or Tremont House and since that name it's had many other names only ten years later it was called the Concordia House during the World War One era. It was called the Germania Germania House which I this is the stupidest thing I've ever thought in my life but I thought it last night and had a chuckle and I thought you should hear it. Please share with the class. I'm so stupid. I it just hit me for the first time that like during World War One they weren't calling it World War One because they didn't know there'd be a World War Two. I know that's stupid. I know. I know. It's not stupid. It's true. I mean it's true. I just I'm so used to calling it one thing that if I went back and said oh World War One they'd go what do you mean one. I think they called it the Great War because it was like the first World War. Because it's pretty great. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty great times and so yeah you're right about that World War One too. That was like the first thing I asked in class. I've got I remember being like but then what did they call it before you know because I remember immediately having that same thought. I imagine going to someone in the 40s going oh World War One and they're like what? In the 40s they're probably already like shit. Yeah well we're in the thick of it. But yeah you're right. I feel like that must be distressing. Wait a minute we just finished the first one. Oh god. You know when World War Two started they were like again. Not again. So tired. That seems like what pretty accurate to what they experienced. Yeah. That's how I'd be. I feel like please not again. I'm so. I mean yeah. I feel like they probably aged out by that point but still they're probably like please not again. Okay so it's called the Germania Germania House. Then it was called Bex Saloon because I didn't understand this but it sounds like because we were trying to eventually step away from like Germans like they were like we don't want the name anymore. And then they sit you with these wars. They're like all right. Sure. Sure. So then they change it to Bex Saloon. Keeping it safe. Then they changed it. Some new guy named Moore bought it so that it became Moore's beer tavern. What I like about Moore is that it was a beer tavern before during and after prohibition. But during probation obviously he couldn't promote that it was a beer tavern. So he just changed it to Moore's Restaurant. So in the middle it was called Moore's Restaurant. But they were still making beer down the basement. The 1940s come around. It's called Boris's Place. And then in the 1960s the family we're going to you mainly have to care about. The Yigi Yirgi family. I'm going to go by their first names. Yigi family I think. How do you sell that? Y-E-A-G-Y. Oh. Yigi maybe. Yigi. They bought it in the 60s on a Friday the 13th. Ula-la. And they wanted this place to be a luncheonette. It was mom, dad, and some brothers. I don't think they were any sisters. And the whole family at different points all worked at this place. So the parents owned it. The brothers helped out. They grew up and then the younger brothers helped out. So it's like and sons. Like when you see like plumbers with like ancestors. And you're always like, "I wonder what happened to the daughters?" Literally okay there's I just saw a store recently like on my travels that said like like polymer and I don't know. Something like polymer maybe. And daughters. Yeah, I don't know his pulse. Oh, daughters. That's one. And daughters. And I went, "Look at that." Finally. I have found and and cousins which is interesting. Cousins is cool. What about like ungrateful stepkids you know. You could get really creative with this. And deadbeat dad. Yeah. Yeah you can get really creative with it. Oh, I love it. In my family, I could say like and third step fathers. Second step sons. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Girlfriends brother. Yeah. And like how catchy is that? It's like the Brady bunch over here. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So okay, they wanted to be a luncheon at and they wanted the whole family to run it at different times. And the first of the Yigee Yigee family was Harold and his wife Lauren. Harold's uh I don't know a lot about him, but what I do know is interesting. He did a usotor because he wanted to go fight but he couldn't so then he ended up being part of like the entertainment acts and he did comedy over. Okay. That's what they say when you can't get into the military. You turn to comedy. So we did. Those who can't do teach and those who can't go to the war make them laugh. You can't do anything. Yeah. So uh. It was morale a little bit. Yeah, exactly. They were like, you're the heart planet here, you know. So anyway, he was doing comedy eventually he comes back over and him and his wife by this place. Later his son Hal would take over and Hal did a really interesting interview a while ago where it was the only I was the only place where I really saw him talking about like how they even got the building and all that. But when they asked why it was named the slippery noodle inn obviously like the first [BLANK_AUDIO] and you fucking ask, he was like, "Well, it was called Boris's Place after the owner, Boris." And my dad didn't want to call it that anymore, but he also didn't want to call it Harold's Place. - I think so. - And it's like, there has to simply be more-- - There can't be only one option in between those three. There can't be only one name that lands, like, it can't be the first thing you think about. Like somebody should have said, "Good start." - Yeah. - We can circle back to that. - So not Boris's Place, not Harold's Place Libra Noodle. Okay. - There's only one other option. - So, that's what I thought. What I learned later when looking back on my notes is that I accidentally deleted the rest of his sentence. So, there is an actual reason, but I didn't know at the time and I was like, "That can't be his fucking answer." - That can't be it. - No, that can't be it. - So I ended up reopening the link and I went, "Oh, there it is." So, it was Boris's Place, he didn't want to call it Harold's Place, so then the whole family got together and started just shouting out random names. And I guess part of his USO comedy bit, he had like a joke that he regularly told the family about the slippery noodle and does feel like a dad joke. - Oh, the slippery noodle. Look out for the slippery noodle. - Oh god. - So, but he, and for some reason, this is just like an extra quirk to him. He just always wanted to own something that said in it, like the in. And so, he just wrote it together. - He just loved it. - I love this, it's like, what do I want? I want to like, memorialize my joke and have an in at the same time. - I will tell you, apparently the joke, it was in this interview. It's not even a joke, it's like a catch phrase, but it's like a dad catch phrase in that he says it and we all probably go, okay. And then like, if it's your friends, if it's your friends dad, when he goes to the bathroom you look at your friend, you're like, what did he say? - You're like, I'm gonna make him say it again. - But no. - Okay, so I'm gonna say it, but I want you to know, like if you don't like that's probably normal. - Okay, okay, and if I laugh, I'll probably show how not normal I fucking came. - You're all fucking freak, yeah, yeah. - Okay, so this was the catch phrase. - Hit me with it. - I'm so embarrassed to even do this. - Slippery noodle. Once you heard it, you know you'd remember it. - The internet literally cut out and like you're entire thing just went boom, boom, boom, and garbled and I thought, I think that's for the past. - The internet went, will help you out. - The hotel in Lexington was like, actually, we don't approve any of this, thank you. - So what basically the internet just said, fuck you say it twice. So here we go. - Now I have to hear it again, but I only heard, okay, say it again, say it all again. - The fact that you didn't, when you were silent, I was like, okay, man, I killed it all over. - So sorry. - I was just waiting for you to return to the land of the living, but I'm ready for it again, hit me. - Okay, this is the catchphrase. Slippery noodle. (laughing) - Really? - I would have fucking, I would have been so rich in that time. You and I had just done anything, we fucking wanted, we would have ruled. - We would have ruled the U.S. - The first time any soldier actually would have heard an actual joke, they would have gone, "Now that's funny." - Now what the fuck is this? Now this is what I've been waiting for. - I feel like this was that a time when like, I feel like in the 40s no one had belly laughs, I feel like a good, solid laugh for them was in fact. (laughing) You know? - Yeah, you know what, we would have to get really deep. We'd have to be like, have you heard about this World War II thing? And they'd be like, what? And we'd be like, what are just? - That laugh, now it's funny. You'll get it someday. - But I feel like they're like, I feel like laughing back then in my mind, like was not hardy enough. So that maybe was like the best joke they'd ever heard because they reacted period. But I feel like-- - I mean, if they knew the lengths they could go in laughter or they're like crying and like on the floor doubled over, they'd look at that sentence and go, hmm? - I wonder though if that's why it's so funny, because it's just so funny. You're like in the middle of the fucking Pacific theater and you're just trying to survive and go home to your beloved violet. And then like meanwhile, there's this fuck-ass guy who's like, I named my restaurant after this joke. And he says it and you're like, I literally, like it's so absurd that maybe it's funny. - Dude, I'm at war. Like, please. - I'm literally gonna die tomorrow. Thank you though for the great belly laugh. - Or maybe, I mean, maybe it was, like you're saying, like you know when you're, it's like you can either laugh or cry and like you're in the middle of a war zone, maybe it's like, I guess, this is better than anything else. I don't know. - Right, right, right, right. Yeah, you and I would have fucking mopped the floor. - I think so too. You know who does belly laugh for sure though, it has to be his sons who every time he says it, they're like, what the fuck are you saying, dad? - They're like, you can't keep bringing this up at dinner time and then writing it on the wall of our business. - Like, please stop saying, yeah. - At the least, don't spray paint it on the wall. - Yeah, anyway, how about everyone your homework tonight is to go to your family and without warning, just go slippery noodle. (laughing) - And see what they do. - It feels so right, because it makes it a fucking sense. It feels so right. - I mean, I feel like people would go, yep, I will remember this because of what the fuck is going on. - Exactly, and like he's not wrong. That's the craziest part. - Oh, he must love that. He's certainly past now, but like he's having a great time knowing that we're passing this on. - He's surely the one who made you say it twice, unplugging the router earlier. - He's absolutely, he was the one doing that. So anyway, that's how it got its name. Is this family, bought it in the '60s to have a family luncheon at and he used to be in comedy. - The lore was still crying out comedy, I guess. - It's so good. - I'm shocked, maybe comedy clubs weren't a thing yet, but I'm shocked they didn't have like an open mic every Monday night or something with the way that he's had. - I feel like he would outbid. - Yeah, I feel like he would have just been the only one kind of on the open mic. - And then it'd be like, Dad, go home. - I feel like a closed mic, it's just for him. - No one's coming in anymore. - Right. - I don't know, maybe he was a spherical. - It sounds like a famous man. - I could be honest, it made me laugh, pretty darn hard. - Perfect. So, 20, 25 years go by where they're all having a great time running this place together. But then in the 80s, Harold passes away and his wife is now working at the place by herself. So, Hal, who was the owner that did this interview, he steps in to help his mom out, he buys the place and starts running it, but he really liked music and wanted to incorporate music into the place. So, his first big decision was, we're gonna say open way later, just so, like the night scene will come in here instead of us just being a luncheon at. And I guess this was around the time when Indianapolis was starting to have some sort of night scene. So he was like, we gotta be one of the first ones. - He had to be in this and yeah. So, he started this thing called Blues Jam where I guess people could just come in and start jamming his sweet play blues music. And originally it was actually called like the blue, blues collar, like I'll play on blue collar. - Him and his dad are way too fucking similar. - And yeah, clearly they run, yeah, yeah, yeah, the jeans are strong. - But it was supposed to be like everybody that works like a nine to five, they could then come here right at five at the end of their shift and it'd be like all the blue collar people listening to blues music. And they were like, why blues music? And he was like, I just like it. So that's how we got a blues cover. - I guess. - He wanted an in and he like blues music. - There you go. And you'll never, once you heard it, you'll always remember it. - You know, that's right. - So that's right. - So basically it became such a popular music night space that like famous, famous, famous musicians from all over started coming there, just to listen, not even perform. They were just, they just wanted to be with everybody and listening to music. - Sweet. - And it became very normal, I guess, to just see just like celebrity is just wearing like a t-shirt and jeans, like having a beard, listening to other big calls. - That's cool. - Yeah. And he said like back in the day, because there wasn't social media. So people wouldn't find out right away that someone had been there. He was saying like, I always knew that like, there was clearly a celebrity in the crowd when all of a sudden everyone started rushing to the payphone because everyone wanted to be the first person to tell their friends like, guess who's here. - Mom. - Yes. - Yes, he's here. (laughing) - The celebrity noodle himself. - This is real time, remember? - We saw him in the Pacific theater. - And then there was this, he all, I guess some of the musicians when they were there, they would like get so like stoked about the music and hyped up, but that they would also want to play. And sometimes they would just go around the bar and like, talk to him be like, can I just go up there and start playing? And they would just see free concerts. - That's sick. - There was even one time where one of the Almen brothers, I guess he had a show there. He was supposed to be doing like a paid event there the next night, but he went in the night before just to listen to music. And while he was there, got so into the music that he asked if he could just perform a free version of the concert the night before. Imagine being there the night before and getting the free version instead of like paying for a ticket. - Wow. - Man, yeah, that's wild. That's so cool. (dinging) - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Here she comes and look they turn pink in the light. Oh my God. The amount of comments I get on these heart glasses. They really, they're just, they just are for me. I love them. Thank you, Zenny, really. 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The style sell out, so don't sit on it. That's zenny.com/podcast, promo code podcast15. One of his favorite stories, how? One of his favorite stories was that, I guess, a governor's conference was going to come into town and they wanted to have their event there because they don't know how big the spot was or how it happened and it was. He ended up having to have conversations with like secret service and everything. They had to bring in bomb dogs. This is one of his favorite stories is that while the secret service was there canvassing his slippery noodle in. Gene Simmons from Kiss randomly rolled up to go to the bar to hear music and then he got there and realized that the secret service was everywhere. I guess he didn't understand that like, "Hey, we're closed for the night to the pub like this is and we're not playing music tonight for you guys." I think he didn't know that he should turn around and walk away or it didn't occur to him because he said, "No, you don't understand. I'm Gene Simmons from Kiss." He heard a listen to music and secret service was so stoked to meet Gene Simmons that they like ran his ID and let him come in to the private event. But then Gene Simmons didn't have anything to do because no music was playing. So he was just sitting there in the corner. The fuck? Gene Simmons is an asshole. Very weird. I don't know, I don't know anything about him, but I'm not surprised if he's seeing the secret service and he still thinks he can go up and say, "I'm Gene Simmons." I've just, I've just, he's one of my LA encounters where I go. What did he do? No, he's just a, LA, my brother just worked in for, it's for somebody that was very close with him and in the music industry and the like amount of just gross. Well, I'm not surprised after this story. I have heard, well, I'm not gonna say it, but they're, I've heard of some people that I thought for sure were lovely and then I find out like, "Oh, they're monsters." And I'm like, "Oh, my God." Yeah. Not that he really gave a lovely vibe, but you know. No, no, he's not. Yeah. That's not great. Anyway, so that was just one of his celebrity moments. Like, he was like, there's just the secret service, squad bomb dogs and Gene Simmons sitting in my, I mean, my little, my hell, my hell, yeah. It feels like a dream. It feels like a bad dream, yes. So since this time, many people still come through and hang out here without they're famous, but you know, with social media, it's a lot, they don't stay for as long. When Hal took over the building from his dad, hour after his parent, his dad passed, he began renovating the place and turned some of the areas back into their original look. This includes the second floor that used to be way before it was a bar back, this is more like an like the prohibition era. It was a board-dallow upstairs. So he turned the upstairs rooms back into a board-dallow. I'm assuming he was trying to make this back into like a hotel kind of vibe and he wanted it to look like it did back in the day. For Gene Simmons who wants to see what a board-dallow looked like. Do you know who I am? And one of the rooms, I guess, even still has like a stash spot hidden inside the floor, back during like, like just to keep with the fun of that. So yeah, during prohibition, this was a board-dallow just to keep more money coming through when they were struggling a little bit. Even after the prohibition ended, the board-dallow stuck around until 1953. And it only ended because two men ended up fighting over a woman. And one of the men stabbed the other and then walked out leaving the bloody knife on the bar. Oh my god. Yeah. Which is so like Tony soprano of like, "Yeah, here's my fucking bloody knife and I don't even care if you see it." Yeah, signature sign off, like what the fuck? Other than it being a board-dallow, it was also a slaughterhouse. They were doing a lot to just bring extra money and I guess to just bring extra ghosts and bad energy into the building. Yeah, upstairs is the board-dallow. Then there's the restaurant that's definitely still a bar. Downstairs in the basement is where they're making the beer and also when that space is a slaughterhouse that like the FDA would not approve. No, and the umbrella over it all is slippery noodle? Yeah, honestly, it probably looks so ridiculous that no one even paid attention on paper. They're like, "That can't be real." The absurdity of it, it just, yeah, skips over the details. So also during the prohibition time, this became a big place for some nefarious groups as you can imagine including John Dillager and his gang. So they're actually still in one of the concert music areas in like the venue area of this building. There are still bullet holes in the wall. Oh my god. From when John Dillager was there and it seems unclear what these bullet holes were from. How about a calling card? Yeah, some people think a person might have been shot there, but there's other articles that told me that the manager at the time let them use that wall as target practice. He's like just put a few bullets in so we can like market this for future people to say, look at this bullet hole left by, yeah. The cops I'm already trying to hide my business from definitely make gunshot noise. True point. Maybe put some holes in the wall. Yeah, I could point, but it really is a selling point now. I wonder if it was just to keep them happy while he was like, so they wouldn't hurt his business or something. To shoot the walls. It's like you could shoot him, it's fine. But so we don't totally know what the bullet holes are from, but we know John Dillager and his friends are responsible. That's cool. On top of it being a Bordeaux speak easy, a slaughterhouse, a future luncheonette, it was also a stop on the undergrad railroad because it was so close to that railroad. Right. There are still openings in the foundations and walls of the building that have slowly gotten smaller. I think like it's like the structure of the house is suffering a little bit, but allegedly that's where people would hide. And I'm pretty sure this is confirmed that it was a stop on the undergrad railroad, but I saw one article that seems skeptical of that. So I'm just going to put that in the air, but it seems to be established as it was a stop on the undergrad railroad. It was also a civil war barracks. So, you know, boy, yeah, and covering all the bases, huh? And it said that people might be buried under the basement. So I was like, here we go. Let's see, there's also burial plot. Let's let's guess what's next. Yep. So a lot of reasons for there to be ghosts. A lot of people lived here, died here, had bad memories here, and then slap a slippery noodle stick joke on it. And like, you're no wonder the ghosts are all riled up. It went from haunted to hex. I think if you say slippery noodle in and off, then it's like beetles juice, you know. What else would happen? Yeah, bad stuff. So one of the main ghosts is a woman named Sarah, the, I think the restaurant named her Sarah. But she is a woman seen on the second floor. It's assumed that she was a sex worker. She looks like she's in solid form to some people, to others, it's more of a shadow, but people swear that she looks like a human standing up there. And that is a closed-off space. So which I'm confused why maybe they just never went through one turning it into a full-blown hotel. And that was initially the plan. But why did they spend any time redoing the second floor and turning it back into its original state to not do something with that? Maybe they use it as offices or something? They just use it as offices. But it feels like why would you go through all the redecorating and renovating? I mean, store things in there. I don't know. I don't know. So anyway, the people see Sarah up there. They know it's, that people aren't supposed to be up there. So when they see her, they're freaked out for sure. She appears to staff and visitors, but one time during a paranormal investigation, she allegedly was channeled through somebody on that tour and said that she was the madam of the Bordello, not just a sex worker. She's like, hold on a minute. I need to sit the record straight. Let me jump in your body for a second. I'm the HBIC. Let's be clear. Yeah, let's not fuck around. Other shadows of women are seen on the second floor. And I do wonder if that's, if that's always been that way or if it's because they renovated things to look like they used to and that might have brought some energy back. I was going to say that too. Maybe that's what inspired the return. Yeah. Yeah. The doors also are known to open and close when men go up there and one article said like the women clearly don't like the men being in their space. And I was like, I think they're doing their job. I think they're letting men in. I was going to say that it's like, okay, come on, right, like that's what it would have been doing. Yeah. Totally. So that's Sarah and the girls upstairs. Then there's George who I also think was named by the staff, but he was somebody who used to tend to the property. He's regularly seen in coveralls, usually in the basement doing some sort of maintenance work. He is seen mainly by utility and delivery men who have to go into the basement to get access and like dropping folks. Sucks. Sucks. And it's been like a common thing that they will go down there and see a man just standing there. And it's like not cool to be that guy at the overalls, like give him a break. They're just trying to do their job literally like there have been delivery men who have said like take me off the schedule and really I don't want to be back here. No, I don't blame you. I wouldn't want to. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. No, no, no. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Hell no. So also in the basement, sadly, it seems that there might be spirits down here that are of form really enslaved people because this might have been where they were hiding at some point when on their way to the railroad. And the basement in general is said to be really creepy, but that could also just be like the heaviness of that situation. People say that they hear whispers down there, which would make sense if people are whispering and trying to keep quiet down there. But people have also just said it just feels too creepy, some of some employees just don't even go down there. There's like, we've talked about this, but like a basement's already, you know, and then you give it all that lore and like actual history and it's like, well, you know, I think I'll pass. Sorry. Your microphone like made a crazy sound and I just like totally jump back. Really? Yeah. Because as I was talking, I was thinking of my own basement and like picturing it because I was thinking like, oh, the second you have a creepy basement and you add lore or like history, real history to it, it's like, no, thanks. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, your basement is straight out of Michigan's hell, you know, I'm saying. Yeah. I could give you a soil sample from down there. I've been down there. My shoes have soil samples on them. You have the soil sample. It's probably still in your lungs from being down there. That place is like, truly like, and then Emma has the audacity to go, hey, ghost, do you like Christine living in your house? Do you like the baby living in your house? And they was like going, no, and I was like, and you are opening at can of worms, you better close it. My bad. My bad. No, it's good because I immediately jumped in and said, well, I love it here and you're awesome and everything's fine. And Eva did some meddling and we were all good. I stand by it that like, you could make so much money in your town. I mean, I'm not going to say where you are, but you are in an area that, you know, people would absolutely gravitate towards your place. If you decide to turn your basement into a actual speak easy, I just feel like I don't have a good enough joke, then absurd enough joke to make, to name it after. Oh, man. That's a lie. I have 80,000. But also, I feel like that would require all sorts of, all sorts of permits and things that I have no business trying to get. I know, and I know you don't even drink anymore, so like you wouldn't even have like the fun of it. As I'm building a book easy in my house, but in my basement, you know, I'm telling you though, like the vibe, you'll never, you'll never see a vibe like that anywhere else. You will. It's just a dirty, Kentucky basement. It's called a seller. It's like a delay. That's like such an aesthetic, you know, and also like the house itself is from a time where you can go down there and see like the original water cistern and like where the coal she was. So it is cool in that way, but it's very spooky, but you're right, but it's also like just dirt floor, and then it's so humid because it wasn't rain. So it's also like gross and like dirty, just like it was back in the day. I know, I know. But apparently they did. They were a very beer cap because we did it a little metal detecting down there once. Where do we post? We posted that to Patreon, I think ages ago, but I just kept finding bottle caps and then that one guy who passed me in a garage like a specter was like, I lived there. Have you seen the old woman? And I'm like trying to buckle my infant into the car seat like hello? And he's like, she pushed me down the stairs. My father used to have a speak easy in the basement. And I'm like, I told you, yeah, the father had not the worst idea. Just know like if you did it, if you're wondering if it would sell like hotcakes, my friend, I'm telling you. Okay. I mean, listen, you're in Kentucky right now. Like you want to drive up and start vacuuming all the dirt out of the dirt. At 3 a.m., we both know I would do a killer. I know. I was going to say, actually, you could stop at Minards, get a few tarps. We could really. Now it sounds like that. We could do it extra. But you know, it'll be fine. Speaking of like a place to kill people, like another great idea for your basement. That would be- That would be- That would be- That would be- That would be- That would be- That would be- That would be an excellent thing to put on the airways, yes. That would be an excellent- Well, it's a simple plan to kill anybody. Something spooky has to or already has- Or both. Definitely. No doubt. So also to confirm the rumors that this basement might have people buried under the ground. Not that are- I mean, confirmed for some people. A psychic went down there and act without knowing that information, I think, saw a hand sticking out of the floor. Which- What? Yeah. Like they like saw- Like I'm seeing a hand sticking out of the floor, so I'm assuming. But that solidified it for some people. People also hear footsteps voices, they get touched, people- Oh, I- Sorry, I had to- I had to leave this last, of course, your ghost, your cowboy. So- Where is he? Uh, he- This is very short. I'm so sorry how brief this is. They really sucked me in by saying ghost cowboy and then fucking- Nothing else. That's what they do. They do it to me all the time. Don't worry. I'm used to it. I mean, it is a very cowboy thing to just- I believe me right when it gets good. I know, man, that's why. But there is the ghost of a cowboy or cowboy looking man, uh, walking around and then vanishing. Which I guess if you're in Indiana, everyone's kind of wearing boots anyway. So I guess you're a cowboy looking- I don't know though, because there's a lot of college kids, I'd rather see a cowboy, you know? Here's my thing. They say the rumor is like, oh, this cowboy, this is one of the guys. So I was in that fight where someone stabbed the other and then left the bloody knife on the bar. Sure, sure, sure. They say that like, oh, he might be the one that died or he might have done the stabbing. But also that happened in 1953 and I don't equate cowboys with in 1953. So I don't know if he matches with the vibe. He would match that. The vibe in your basement, I think. Yeah. I mean, he's welcome if he's, uh, has something, if he doesn't have plans later. Yeah. M and I will be putting a tarp down so he doesn't have to worry about anything about him and his spurs will be just fine. So yeah, just clumping around. Well, during the pandemic, the Yigee, Yigee family started hosting ghost tours. They'd already been doing history tours for a long time, but they ended up now doing ghost tours. On these ghost tours, people did get access to the Bordello area and the basement, which are usually closed off to the public. And the guy that was hosting it was Hal's son. So that makes three generations of Yigee's working there. And they got a lot of cool evidence from investigators that visited. But the ghost tours ended pretty quickly because it started around COVID and then it ended in 2023 because the Yigee family finally sold the building to new owners who seem according to one article very disinterested in the ghost element of the business. Indianapolis Monthly was doing an article and reached out to them for an interview and they declined to comment on if the place was haunted or not. Well, that'll tell you. I'll do them that. I know. But also, that's also so mysterious. I'm like, ooh. Yeah. They're like, we decline comment. Yeah. Okay. So like, it must be a yes. Like usually, like, I think if they were like, is it haunted, they'd be like, no, it's not really haunted. You know? Oh, that's true. But to say like, no comment, it's like, what are you hiding? Yeah. Or even if it's not haunted, thank you for keeping the fun alive. Yeah. I appreciate that. Even if they're like, we don't want the fun. It's not haunted. Please stop talking to us. Thank you for at least letting me believe it. But other than that, they said that they, at least in the past, they've said they don't plan on changing much to the building or anything like that. Everything still looks the same is the same. The name's the same. Uh, which like, can you imagine buying the slippery noodle end and changing the name like to Boris's place? Like, are you fucking kidding me? I mean, are you fucking kidding me? Like Susan's cafe? Like, no. Yeah. You know, enough. So other than that, everything is still, you know, the same there. It's worth checking out. And I drove past it. I remember driving past it because of the name, obviously. And I remember thinking, I should go in there. And then I didn't even think about it again until I googled it when I was already driving away. So I'm glad you googled it, though. I'm glad you knew it was important enough to Google. I mean, the name, something hit me in my spirit. And I thought it was come on and have a drink, but it was actually report this for the next episode. I'll take it. It was me popping in saying, hello, cowboy. Tell me about it. Anyway, I wish I had more about the cowboy. That was like my big, I was like, oh, it's a crazy name. I'll definitely look it up. And then I saw cowboy and I did all these notes. And then by the end, I went, where the fuck's that cowboy? I've got an active imagination. It's okay. Yeah. You do what you need to do with that. Thank you. But that's the slippery noodle end. The S&I. The S&I. And I love that we got an Indiana story. in Kentucky and I'm here in Kentucky we're in this little like pocket of the Midwest. We call it here the tri-state, which is embarrassing 'cause then I moved to big cities and they were like, no, like New York City is the tri-state. And I was like, no, Indianapolis, or no, Indiana, Ohio, and Kentucky are the tri-state. And people were like, girl, go back to the horse. - You know what I'm saying? - Last night, I got in, I don't remember when I was, I got in at a time when only bars were open to give you some insight. And that's how I found out about the Speakeezies. And at one of the Speakeezies, this guy said like, oh, were you in the industry? And I, I'm from LA, I thought he was talking about Hollywood. And I went, oh, I used to be. And then he started talking about like restaurants. And I went, oh no, oh no, no. - Oh, I literally thought you were going to talk about horses. So I'm like, a bourbon, a bourbon. Like I was like, where are we going with this? But I was making really good small talk with him and he was the bartender. But I just thought like, oh, he's a bartender. He really knows how to read people. You can tell him from, not from around here. I don't know what he, I don't know why I thought he was. - He just thinks you were going to a restaurant in Lexington. - But he just thought I was like a waiter down the street. - I mean, it sounds like you're a jack of all trades. You're like, I can talk restaurant shop. - I did for a little bit. It took me a second to realize what the hell he was saying. So, I guess I can talk restaurants, trust me. - Yeah, you're from LA. You can talk smooth. You can talk anything. - Well, I certainly know how to eat. - We know how to eat and yap. - All right, that is my side. 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Sign up now, it only takes a few minutes. - Chime is a FinTech, not a bank, banking services, and chime card provided by Chime's bank partners, qualifying direct deposits required. Terms and limits apply. Go to chime.com/disclosures for details. - I am putting this, I'm now cutting this into the regular episode 'cause I wanted to get some air time. - So, not all of it, half of it. - Well, we described it in Yappie Ersa. Yappie Ersa got the first, you'd like the inside scoop, but now I want to cut back in and say, wow, we're talking about the coolest idea ever, where I'm just realizing how perfect it is of him going, ghost hunting with celebrities, interviewing them in haunted houses. And I'm like, I can see it, I see it. - I mean, it's genius. - It's fucking genius, you have to do this. - I would like to very much. - Holy shit. - Are you seeing it for the first time now? We've talked about this for years. - I know, but I couldn't see it because I think to me, like the interviewing part is so like not something I like and it kind of scares me. And it's like, we were talking about this in the Yappie Ersa, like the journalism part kind of like wigs me out, like even though I studied it. It's like, I learned very quickly that is not my strong suit. And I don't necessarily like strangers and celebrities and I'm scared of people. But like now when I'm thinking about it as like you in a scenario, like a hot one's with, I'm like, oh my god, I see it now. Like. - Yeah, I don't know for how much we're keeping it, but I'll just say again, my dream for years, years and years, I mean, since we got- - I just never understood it from my perspective, but I feel like you wouldn't fucking nail it. Yeah, I think I tried to kept picturing it with me in it and I was like, I don't think I'd be good at that. And I wouldn't be able to do that properly. - I always thought you'd be great in it. - And I would have always thought you'd be like the headhunt show on the interviewing part, but it just never like, it just always was like something where I was like, oh, that would be super cool, but like I never could picture it, but conceptualize it. But now I kind of can see it. Maybe, I don't know. - Well, I've always thought it'd be- - It just feels like- - I think it's because of combo with the travel stuff you're talking about, like somehow it just clicked for me. Like, oh wow, this really is. - No, I have a whole- - All your strengths. - Oh, oh, I thought I lost for a second. - No, I am, I probably got too excitable and burst the internet or something. - No, I mean, I've always had, my thought was always, I don't know where it's getting cut, so I'll say again, but like, hot ones, but instead of eating spicy foods, it's ghost hunting with celebrities where you're interviewing them while they're like scared. Like, can you imagine like, this is a pipe dream, obviously, but imagine like, Kiki Palmer in a haunted house trying to answer questions and not ask scared, or something like that'd be so funny. - And it's like so good. And Ellen DeGeneres used to have a bit and like, fuck her, so it's like she had a bit- - And hers was just going through a jump-scarred traction and just watching people get scared, but like- - Bullying people and laughing at them. This is like not that, which I think is a much more interesting take. - Yeah, I think so 'cause I mean, even if we, like if someone was just too fucking scared- - And the reason also is, I feel more comfortable talking about this now is that I know that I'm leaving the podcast or everyone else. - So you don't have to do it. - Well, it's sort of like, I have a perspective from an outside angle now that like, maybe I didn't, before where I was like, oh, we would have to do it together, but it's like, oh, now I can see that you like, see this as like your soul, like that would be fucking amazing, like you would be really good at that. So anyway, I needed that to be on public record, not paid, well, not behind a paywall. - Well, thank you. And that would also help. - 'Cause remember I told you years ago too, and we talked about it for a second, but then nothing ever came from it, but I always thought it'd be cool to have like, and that's why I drink themed, like somehow, have our own ghostening equipment or work with a ghost-hunting company. I think that would be, it would work even better over there if like, I had my own established ghost-hunting TV talk show with celebrities and then got to have like, my own like branded equipment, and then like we just said, have also my own like, quirky roadside traction travel show since I'm already in that area. - Yeah, I have a whole, several things idea for myself, but I don't know, one of people would be interested to how possible it is. It feels like it should have happened by now, and if it hasn't. - No, that's not, no, no, no, no, you gotta, you gotta understand, this is what I'm saying, it's all falling into place, divine timing. You have to wait till you're, you've developed enough of a skill set or the timing's right, just things just have to kind of play out, but I think that really would be like such a cool thing to pursue, really. - Thank you. - I've always thought that, but now I'm like saying, oh, I can see it like very like real, concretely. - Well, if I ever actually did it, and for some reason, Zach Bagan's is there, you would have to also be a guest on the show also. I could not do that without you. - I think there would be no stopping me, no matter how hard you tried, no matter how much. - Or chewed law? - You might be like a ghost with chewed law. - And here's the problem. I would probably assume most of your guests are chewed law based on my kind of perception rate of chewed law, and my win to lose ratios like not pretty. So I'd probably end up crashing way too many of those, but like the Zach Bagan's one, like heller high water, you could hire every Etsy witch to stop me, and I'd probably find my way in. So don't worry. If I ever got chewed law to spend 24 hours with me, I would spend a few of them flying him to your town and parking him on your front porch just to have him in the door, just to see your door. - The terror, the terror. You would, and then you'd have to film it, 'cause it would be like some sort of like, that would be in Sidious 3, I think. - I know. - I think so. - Would be me opening the door. I don't know what the first two are about, but I feel like this is what it would be about, is me opening the door and going, now my brain is short circling for real. (laughing) - Yeah, that would be us. - Thank you for the little plug. I mean, if anyone's ever wondered like, if I didn't have this podcast, what my next move would be, or what, that would be it. - That's kick ass. - Everyone show interest, so that way our manager wants to actually help me put that pitch together. - Everyone show interest. I'm showing deep interest, so whatever I can do. - I always thought it'd be a good YouTube show, but I'm just horrified of like camera work and everything, like the microphone, this might be a good one. This one microphone horrifies me. I can't imagine a whole such anyway. Well, start imagining it baby because otherwise it's not going to happen So Etsy which is please conjure up my My being able to have know how on that. Thank you Em you've got the know how you've been doing a podcast for ten years ghost hunting away. Come on Okay, you're turned though. What's your leg next dream thing? No, no, no, no, I've no clue. I'm winging it I don't believe you. I know you've got some cool. Okay, nope. I'm walking off a cliff and I'm going I've literally I have a huge word on my mirror. It says surrender and That's for two years now. I've been doing that and I'm like Following Following the heart and surrendering and so I kind of don't know what's next I've been doing these readings on YouTube and TikTok and it's literally what I I don't know how to explain it except that it's like I'm like time to do a video and then I just do one I channel it I don't even know what I'm saying basically. I post it I move on with my day It's just a strange routine that one day started and I'm like not missed it. I miss like one day and it just feels like normal and But that's kind of it like I'm just like I'm clearing my house out. I'm really like It feels like I made a preparation phase for something Does that make sense? But I don't necessarily know what it is So that's why there's a lot of surrender where it's like I feel like so many things are falling away and like opening up Space in my life that I'm sort of like I don't know what's gonna fill it I'm and I don't think it's my job to force it. So I'm just I feel does it feel good to not know for a second It feels terrible. Oh, oh, I thought it was like how nice like it. No, it's like I'm trying to really just trust the process of like that in between limbo phase that like limital space of things are falling away and like I have to trust that like better things will Fill in or or you know other things will take you know, but there's like this like void space where you're like well What do I do and it's like sometimes all you can do is just like be so I've been just trying to be and it's hard But I found a lot of like Little joy throughout the day, and I feel very privileged that I'm not like you know rushing through to find like Financial support after I leave the podcast. So that's really Fortunate so yeah, I don't necessarily feel like very I mean, I'm still doing beach to Sandy and we have like that Going on as usual, but yeah, I don't really have any like big. I'm really just It's like a weird liminal space of like it feels like a portal of where I'm like every day. I'm kind of like Okay, one day I'll end up somewhere and look back and go whoa, you know, but I don't know that sounds very like vague and like esoteric, but I basically just him Kind of like want it feels kind of like one step at a time like and the path is like clearing as I walk, you know a little bit I mean some of the best things come out of just being with yourself for a second. Yes. Yeah, exactly That's where I'm at right now, and it's it's hard because I really am an impatient person and I think one of my life missions here on earth is to learn patience and surrender and It's really hard, but I'm trying and I'm finding little joys in the day. So Well, I also quit her job a while ago and couldn't be happier now. So not that you know, you know, no, but you're right It's like fall like sometimes it's like oh, there's grief and it's so bittersweet like most big decisions are bigger sweet bigger big or sweet Most big decisions are big or sweet and bittersweet Yeah, because there's always something there's you know, there's grief to be had in every like new chapter because something had to close and So I don't yeah, so I don't kind of know where I'm going That's fair. That's fine. It feels right. You know, so I'm like just one foot in front of the other for right now. Yeah, but I feel really like at peace And a lot of people were like worried about us, which I is fair because it did feel like that post came kind of out of nowhere And then we were recording as it came out and then like the episode came out a few days later. So I think there was like some context missing in the timing, but Yeah, I mean we again, we said this in the last episode too that like We definitely wanted to tell you Before a statement ever came out like the plan was originally that we would yes, that we would discuss it way before there was ever a Yeah, like an Instagram post, but that did that did look It was just the timing of everything did not work out the way we wanted to so it looks look different than it was But it felt like sort of chaotic and abrupt and like yeah, so for everybody who was yeah, so Anyway, all that to say um, yeah, we're doing well. I mean, I can't speak for you But like I you know, I just feel like I'm a famous ghost hunter one day. So I think I mean right It's like we're just kind of following the steps. We're not Some people are very worried about my mental health. I'm doing very well Well, because of what we don't have to talk about if you don't want to well No, but people talked about like a couple people are worried about spiritual psychosis and my terror readings and OCD and like I want to give that the grace of like or like the credit of like yes OCD and religious OCD and it's a very fraught subject and then something I've struggled with But I'm very I'm very aware like I from from my and it's very important to talk about and bring up and I do respect for sure that Asking because it's it's worth Considering I guess, but um for what it's worth. Yeah, mentally. I'm doing very well and Health wise in general. So Nobody no and people because people were like you know a little worried that I was kind of spinning out and that it was like this sudden thing and that I was now this like spiritually on this like kind of mentally unwell like train of um oh believing you know and I'm I promise you I'm grounded and and and very well It's just been a very long year and we haven't really been able to share a lot of the things behind the scenes um yeah But yeah, so for what it's worth. I just want to say like I'm okay. So thank you and I'm glad I ran away and didn't see the comments. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. You had to hear No, no, it wasn't like even that. I think I've been able to like heal to a place where I'm like not I'm detached from like The feeling like I'm able to like recognize like it's not necessarily about me, you know, or like be able to like not take on peoples Like respect people's disappointment, but not like bury myself in it um Which is something I've worked on through the nine ten years of this podcast So it's been that's been a huge lesson and a beautiful one and so it was like kind of nice to read the comments and just feel like Oh people are just expressing their feelings and I don't need to like take them on as my own, you know, but um yeah But but understand where people are coming from and Yeah, so I do appreciate everyone chiming in and sharing and saying what the show meant to them and all that, you know, bittersweet. I did see um Some some tiktok stuff come across my my desk um of oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I only saw one uh, but uh, I mean they're very sweet, but people are just like It's weird to see like I know our name trending and not like on everyone else's tiktok But my algorithm it said like uh Yeah, just like myself being discussed on my for you pages really something I never have experienced honestly. Yeah, usually tiktok is where I go to um Escape it, and all of a sudden people are saying our names. It's not like I said it was right because tiktok's like where I go when I don't want to be perceived Because it's like I want to perceive everyone else and so suddenly it's like I'm perceiving you and it's like wait That's not how this app works like I'm supposed to be yeah What is it was it say about my algorithm that I knew I would want to know about myself, you know Love that because by the time that scrolled across my free page you had already commented and I was like that's hilarious Oh really? Okay, so yeah, yeah, it's not the same one then no, I've had a few where people have just it's just been very funny that it shows up and I go Oh, I did but I'm even looking for it, so I Realized by the way Christine That I never even tried these drinks. They've just been here this whole time Well you better But no, that was I that was that was all important to say. I'm very glad that we sent all that um, I Hope that um whatever you do next is really special and really big. I hope I'm a celebrity on your ghost hunting show I literally for years man wanted you to be the other person on the ghost hunting show, so no, but see now We're just leaving to be the fucking gas. I want to be the guest. I want to be the guest Your first the first question on that is gonna be Why the fuck did you uh Not want to be the other host of the show why you just want to come on one time? I'm too socially awkward I don't like interviewing strangers. I feel really insecure around celebrities etc I don't know. I have a plethora of reasons to talk to my therapist. That's very nice of you I really would like to one day have a ghost hunting show though It's like I couldn't picture it until it was like oh like Because and then I think it was the hot ones I know you've talked about hot ones, but like I think it finally clicked in my head of like oh yeah, you'd be that's Like I think it is it'd be informative. It'd be scary and it'd be funny which are like pretty fun things Because like I want them to be it's perfect like and it's scary and funny and informative Yeah, I think it'd be especially also I'm talking talking about this way too much, I can shut up, I'm sorry. I'll just say this one part, that I think it'd be really funny that like, so the way that hot ones originally was, and I don't know if it's still this way, because they've changed their format a few different times now. But originally, like the 10th wing is supposed to be the hottest one, so, and the questions get harder as the wings get harder to eat, and so by the 10th one, you're not even thinking about your PR training, you're just fucking answering honestly to just get it all. Okay, okay. Okay. Really challenges you to, yeah. And so I always thought it'd be funny if I asked them questions, but like for like the final like three questions I had, like that would be, if they were willing, like we would be in separate rooms, they'd be like in the scariest part by themselves, and like through a walkie talkie, I would ask them the questions or something, like just, and they're like really free to fuck out by every sound or something. It could be like, if you answer these three questions, you can get out of the, like in a escape room, but they're by themselves, but you're locked in, but also like how many people out there are going to like agree to this, like I'm going to put you in the band and fucking hot. And how many people would agree to eating a bunch of chicken wings on camera? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. The concept isn't what, like the concept, you don't have to worry about that, like what people, because you could do that with any fucking show, um, anyway, the concept is there. I'm gonna mess with it. It's so good. Imagine if I told Gene Simmons, you're going to go being in a band in house, you could trip over anything. It's pitch black, and also you have to hang out with me in the middle of the night when you're like actively trying to like get your beauty for the rest of your junket tomorrow for your junket. I don't think you want to be in that position. I feel like I'm just, there's got to, there's going to be so many liability insurance forms in my future if I go through with this. Yeah. I'm not. You don't need Gene fucking out. That's why you're leaving. That's why you're fucking out. Yeah, you, I heard how much you want to Gene Simmons on our show and I said, I'm out of here. Oh, okay. Now tell me, speaking of a true crime with that sentence, now tell me the rest of a crime. That's right. That's right. What a good segoo. So, I have a story here and I don't want to sugarcoat this in any way. It's an extremely, really heavy one. Oh. Yeah. It's a dark one. It's, it's very rough. Okay. So, what crimes against children and some pretty traumatic triggering stuff. So, I want to warn everybody, it's the story of the green family killings. Okay. And so, I wanted to put that out there. I'm sorry, what were you going to ask? Well, I was going to say, I'm surprised. Do you really bring it out the heavy hitters right, right before your grand exit? Well, you know, I feel like I go through, I go kind of like back and forth where like some weeks it'll feel lighter like with the one last week, there, I mean, full disclosure, there was like some stuff behind the scenes with our researcher and so we were like emergency, family emergency. So, but for this week, Sertra was like, bring in the heavy hitters and there were a bunch that we were thinking about and this is one that they brought that I was like, I don't know, man, and then the more I looked into it and like talk about in cities, I was like, I need to cover this. Oh, okay. But it's tough. Okay. I want to warn you that it's tough. So, after this, maybe we have a preparation, maybe we have a, I don't know, I have a sip of water next to me, that's about all I have to really feel good after this one. I have a moon pie in thumbs, the moon pie will be handled first, obviously. Both will be needed, I think, by the end, yeah. That's all I know. Yeah, I'm going to jump into it. You know, there is some redemption to it, so that's good, but like, yeah, it is heavy. So, if you're in a place where you're not feeling like able to stomach kind of, it's not gory necessarily, it's just really, it's just about children, it involved, and involves children. Exactly. Okay. Okay, um, this takes place, wouldn't you freaking know it, search a pixel story, not knowing any of this. This is a couple of weeks ago, in Kirtal Lane, Idaho. Oh, okay. Is that how you pronounce that? Save again? Wait, I thought you, I thought that's where you went. Wait. Now I'm seriously having it. Save here. Kirtal Lane. Kirtal Lane? I'm going to be so fucking honest with you. Yeah? Both times you said it, it just cut out. What's happening? You said Ohio at the end, right? No. Oh, I really didn't hear any of it then. What did you say? Kirtal Lane. Idaho? Idaho. I heard Ohio. Oh. That's why I went, oh, because I was like, oh, you, one of the odds we're both in that area, I guess? I don't know. I just, I just started on. But is that not? Isn't that where you went? Kirtal Lane, Idaho. Yes. You went there recently. That was the place that is that Maggie was stoked that I was going there. She was. I thought this was another fond of lack where you were like, what are you saying? And I was like, you were there. And then I'm doing it again. So I'm glad that's not what's happening. Sorry. No. Like literally only the city cut out both times. And I was like, what the fuck is going on? That feels bad. That feels bad. I thought you said Ohio and I just went, oh, okay, because like we're both in the area. Right. Right. No. Can you pronounce it for me? Kirtal Lane. Kirtal Lane. Okay. So May 16, 2005, Kirtal Lane, Idaho. This guy named Bob Hollingsworth stops by his neighbor's house. His neighbor Brenda Green lived in a house right beside I 90, but the home was still rural and located nine miles outside of town on forested land in the mountains. Brenda lived with her three youngest children. There was 13-year-old Slade, nine-year-old Dylan, and the youngest who was a named Shasta or Shasta. Shoot. Now I don't know. Hmm. Shasta. I think Shasta. 37-year-old Mark McKenzie also lived there. He was Brenda's boyfriend or fiance, some sources say. And he loved the children like his own. He was her stepdad. They were very close. And now get this. This is the last part of this. That's any sort of banter worthy or funny. So let's dive in. The family called the property Wolf Lodge. And I want to remind you, this occurred in 2005. I don't know. It was great Wolf Lodge in existence at that point. I think so. Wow. Because I feel like this would be the lesser Wolf Lodge, you know what I mean? Or the greater Wolf Lodge. I don't know. It's like the slimy pasta in instead of the Slade, Dylan. That's right. It's like, yeah. And so I just, I found that really interesting where I was like Wolf Lodge. I feel like people had to have made that joke if they had to have. I don't know why. Because that's what they called, like that's what everyone called the house. Hang on. Okay. When did Great Wolf Lodge open? I just discovered it. Oh, you did. Okay. 97. Okay. So yeah. And like in the area, well, no, Ohio. Remember when I thought we were in Ohio, because you said you thought I was in Ohio. Remember when we both went to Ohio by accident? Remember when I had that dream that we got on a plane to port or I got on a plane to Portland, Maine instead of Portland, Oregon for a tour. Oh my God. Okay. So in any case, I thought Wolf Lodge was quite quite a name and it kind of had this reputation of just being like the fun house on the block. Like it was very social like open door policy reminds me of like how you talked about just like people, neighbors were welcome and like kids would just come in and out and stuff. Yeah. We were the house that there was always someone coming and going. The lesser Wolf Lodge area. We're the pup, the pup lot, the co blot for something. I'm so sick of a gimmick, you know? Yeah. I'll tell you, I'll never not be sick of a gimmick. Yeah. We're gimmicked out. So Mitt Mobile, thank God, is gimmick free. 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Initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes may slow when network is busy, includes up to 20 gigabyte hotspot, capable device required, availability speed and coverage varies see MittMobile.com. Neighbor Bob, who was stopping by at Woolf Lodge, was there to drop off some cash because 13-year-old Slade had asked to do some chores and had mowed the lawn, and he really liked the green kids, so he was coming by to bring him his payment. But weirdly, when he showed up, the house was eerily quiet. There was the occasional sound of a dog barking, but otherwise completely silent. And this was very unusual. It was a social spot, people were almost always in and out. Like I said, there were just kids and people always running around. Bob also noticed that the back door was ajar, but not like propped open for people to come by, more just like it had been left kind of. of opened and in like a hurried way and something felt completely wrong. He looked inside and called out but no one answered and that's when Bob noticed blood on the floor. There was blood everywhere. He called 911, the Sheriff's Department said they would send someone to check it out. I want to tell you right now, Bob is a walking sound bite. I don't know. I'm just so delighted that they interviewed this guy of all people because the way he describes anything that's happening is newsworthy in and of itself. So Bob said when he called 911, they said they're sending a deputy to check it out. And Bob said, you better send more than one. I'm like, okay, Liam Nissen. Sure. Die hard. All right. Seriously. And then in an interview, Bob later said, I butcher lambs, which I'm like, what a wild fucking way to start a sentence, my friend. Did anyone ask? No. I think he was saying. I understand where the. Yeah. So he basically said, I butcher lambs and I know what real blood looks like. I knew somebody had been murdered there. And it's like, what a fucking sound bite. Though like what an insane thing for a person who just discovered a crime scene to say like on the news. I mean, it's just shocking. It's shocking. Yeah. So he's very quotable. I'll say that. But yeah, also probably very traumatized because that would be a very traumatizing event. I imagine knowing that children are involved in this. Right. And you know the family. I mean, you're there to pay the kid for mowing your lawn. Like, yeah, yeah, deeply disturbing. So the deputies arrived within minutes. There was blood on the door outside. And with Bob's report, they believed they had cause due cause to enter without a warrant. And when they did, they saw a shocking amount of blood through the home. It was on the floors, the walls. And then entering the living room, they found three bodies on the floor. The deputies exited sealed the scene against contamination and called in detectives to begin a homicide investigation. Soon after Darleen Torres, whose Brenda's mother was just home watching TV and Brenda's the one who lived in the house. When she saw Wolf Lodge, her daughter's house on the local news. And it was announced by a reporter that three people had been killed. So Brenda's mom, Darleen, is like obviously freaking out. Her other daughter, Brandi, is the younger sister Brenda and is trying to remain calm and tells her mom like, hey, we don't know who was killed. Like maybe like, there's still hope. Let's wait. We don't know if is Brenda or Mark or the kids. But when they call the sheriff's department, they were informed that Brenda, Mark and 13-year-old Slade were all dead. The thing that had thankfully been accounted for already by one of the deputies who knew the family is that there were two other children that lived in the home. And they were nowhere to be found. So Dylan and Shasta were unaccounted for. Brenda had five children actually, the three youngest lived in the house with them, who were Slade Dylan and Shasta. Brenda was 40 and she had been divorced from her first husband, Steve, who actually lived with Darleen, like lived in the house with Darleen, his former mother-in-law. Investigators hoped that Shasta and Dylan were with family and friends, but it was soon clear that like nobody knew where they were. And hopefully, you know, they had escaped this terrible scene inside, but also that has its own risks because it's like, well, then where are they? Like, are they out in the woods lost? Are they abducted? Like, what could be going on? There was a massive search executed of roughly 400 acres by foot, helicopter and horseback, divers searched the creek, but they found no sign of Shasta or Dylan and they launched immediately an amber alert. Darleen and Brandy got in the car and drove for miles. I mean, I mean, it's just horrible. Like, mom and daughter looking for the missing sister and the two kids, the grandkids. I mean, it's just sick. So they are out searching for any sign of Dylan and Shasta. They keep passing interstate signs displaying the amber alert, which is also so surreal. And Darleen could only think over and over again, this cannot be happening. Like, it's just so surreal. Back at Wolf Lodge, the FBI had gotten involved and detectives put together what they could. Mark Brenda and Slade all appeared to have died of blunt force trauma with multiple visible wounds on their heads. Their body temperatures at time of discovery indicated they were killed within 24 hours of being found. Their ankles and wrists were bound with zip ties and duct tape and they were all in the same room. Slade was lying with his head at his mother's feet. Yeah, it gets worse. The it gets worse. Okay. Oh, I was going to. Well, okay. No, go ahead. Go ahead. No, I was just going to traumatize people even further and just say, like, if they're all bound, that means that one of them watched the other two get their heads bashed in. You will be hearing the details of that, so. Okay. Sorry about that. Okay. There was no apparent forced entry to the house. So detectives consider they might have known the murderer and it was like such a specific attack, you know, and like so angry clearly and so vicious. They looked at Steve, of course, the ex-husband who lived with his mother-in-law. Like, could he have been so angry at his ex that he would like murder her mark and his own son, Slade. That was his child and his other two children are now missing. Like, could he have been involved? But even Brenda's family was like, no, like he loved his children. This is not something he would do. You're looking in the wrong spot. According to him, he was at home at Darleens using the computer all night when the murders took place. So they let him go. He went on the news, making an appeal to release his children safely. He did say, however, in the press conference, they had nothing to do with any of this, which like I don't find particularly concerning, but I guess police were like, what do you mean, any of this? Sure. And he was involved in some motorcycle gangs or had vague affiliations allegedly. So they thought maybe he got involved in something over his head or whatever. And that's why he said all of they weren't involved with any of this. But it didn't really make sense because there wasn't a ransom and he hadn't heard from anybody. And so they looked through his computer, confirmed his alibi, and he was ruled out as a suspect who just wanted to find his kids. They redirected their focus and detectives looked at an autopsy report declaring that the murder weapon had used a large hammer to kill Mark Brenda and Slade. Jesus. Yeah, it's just brutal. Blood analysis, though, found that the majority of the blood in the house belonged to Slade, none belonged to Dylan or Shasta, which is a good sign, right? Like, maybe they're still alive. So they've started putting their faces out there trying to keep their faces active in the minds of people of Cordalaine. Meanwhile, the investigators dug into the personal lives of Brenda and Mark, who had known each other for years. And after Brenda divorced from Steve, the two of them started spending time together and fell in love. They both loved the outdoors and were a bit rugged. Like Wolf Lodge itself was a home that her father had been raised in. Brenda's father. And it was very outdoorsy, like it lacked a washer dryer. It had a propane stove. So they're kind of like, that's just, that was their vibe. Sure. But it was a really happy people. Cabin folk. But they really just loved being there. Even Slade, the 13-year-old was described as happy-go-lucky. He, the older brothers that he had who didn't live with them, he wanted to play music like them. He was sweet. His grandma, Darlene, described him as perfect. Dylan was a bit shy. Darlene said he was a bashful and cuddly teddy bear. But Shost on the other hand, the youngest, whose eight, was unusually tough for her age, just like her mom. Her family said she liked to dress up as a princess, but at the end of the day was a tomboy who followed her mom around as a little assistant at Wolf Lodge. The family was very happy. They had a lot of good friends and community. There wasn't really any animosity that they could find or find a motive. So detectives looked at every option. Hundreds of tips are coming in about sightings of Dylan and Shost that are not really leading anywhere. They look into the timeline and on May 15th, the night before the killings, there had been an impromptu barbecue at Wolf Lodge. So some friends had stopped by and then a few more until everyone was gathered to cook and eat together. This wasn't unusual to happen, but detectives use this as a starting point to track down the folks who were there that night. One family friend named Robert Lutner had been there and there were some reports that he'd been in some kind of argument with Mark. And when they told, when they talked to Brenda's older son Jesse, he informed them that, yeah, their family friend Robert actually owed Mark and Brenda money. So detectives are like, we better talk to this guy. So they can't find him. He was on parole at the time for a prior conviction so there's starting to get some red flags. They also learned that he left town the day after the killings to visit family with approval from his PO and a frantic search began because they thought maybe he had some answers. They made a public statement requesting leads on his whereabouts and his face was broadcast nationally and almost immediately Robert reported back to his prol officer and was like, "I was at my aunt's funeral. You know this. I have nothing to do with this whatsoever. I love this family. They're my close friends." And yes, he said, "I do owe them $1,000 because they helped me pay to not foreclose on my house." But we did not have an argument about it at the cookout. And there was just no evidence whatsoever. He saw himself on the news and that's when he reported himself back to his prol officer being like, "Horror high." Nothing to do with this. Yeah, exactly. It's like what is going to be on the news. What a bad. Also, Darlene earlier, seeing her daughter's house on the news. What the hell? I know. Finding things out on the news feels like something that only happens in movies and so far has happened twice in this story. Yes, exactly. Good point. So now they're at a loss. We're losing time to find these kids if they are still alive. And weeks are passing. And tips keep coming in. They're trying to keep their names and faces out there. On July 2nd, Dylan and Shasta had been missing for nearly seven weeks. And that night, a 9-1-1 call came in from a Denny's restaurant. The caller said, "I've got a tall man here with a little girl and she looks so much like Shasta." Oh, shit. Okay. See something. See something? You are on it. Because although the abductor might have taken Shasta and Dylan anywhere since they had vanished, the call was made from a Denny's in Cordelene. Mm-hmm. And by the way, as someone who's been to Cordelene, I think it was the Denny's. I don't think it was any of these Denny's. You're like, "I know that Denny's." Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's. Yeah. Okay. Wow. Crazy if that he just. So Cordelene is not that big for them to be hunkering down somewhere. It must have been, like, in plain sight. Mm-hmm. Not quite, but I like where your head's at. Okay. The server, Amber Peace, had suspected something was wrong when a man came in with a young girl that she described as filthy. Her hair was tangled, her skin and clothes were dirty. Like, this was obviously already a problem before she realized the closeness in resemblance to the missing girl from Cordelene. She went to take the order of the pair and the girl seemed afraid and didn't speak. Amber suggested a milkshake and the girl looked to the man for approval before she answered. It's giving Elizabeth smart vibes to me. 100% like, don't make. Don't give them any clue as to who you are. Yeah. Just or just like, he's in charge. I just do what he says. Yeah. Amber is a hero, went back to the kitchen, her manager, Linda. They realized that this does very much resemble the girl all over the news. So they call 911 and Amber is noticing the man's looking nervous and agitated and is trying to get out of there and she returns to the table and stalls. She has to fucking stall like out of a TV show. Good for her. She pretends there's a problem with the billing system and she's like, sir, I'm so sorry, but you can't leave without paying the bill. We're really trying to run this. Just give it one more minute and he's just getting agitated and he's like trying to leave. He stands up. She's like, we're trying. Please, please, we insist that you stay after an agonizing way officers finally arrive and arrest him on the spot. And they recognize Chasta. It is her and she is finally safe. Good. Although I wonder what was, oh, first of all, what were those seven weeks like? Probably beyond hell. But I mean, because it's starting to sound very much like Elizabeth smart. Now that I'm thinking more about it, more than she must have done something to have earned his trust to be walking around out of the problem. It's like we've done almost 500 of these episodes. That's exactly it. And I didn't even see it coming because I was just like engrossed in the details of the case. But like, you're 100% right? I'm, yeah. I, I, girls, thanks. But girls, they're survival. Man, this, it just rocks my world every time. Okay. So Chasta's family's notified, right? They're delighted. They're just be beside themselves. But also their heart sink when they learn Dylan is not with her. And I want to remind you, Chasta is the youngest. She's eight. So the man who'd been arrested with Chasta was a man named Joseph Duncan. He invoked his rights. He refused to communicate with detective so they couldn't find out any details about where Dylan might be unless they asked Chasta herself. And meanwhile, she's eight. She's traumatized. And she has to undergo surgery to administer stitches and other care to her injuries. Later, as an adult, she recalled waking up from these surgeries to her father, Steve standing at her side, looking down at her and they just held each other and wept. I mean, remember, he was even in being interrogated about, interrogated, questioned about his daughter's disappearance. Yeah. And now like she's right here. So soon she was ready to tell her family and detectives exactly what had happened. And this is when you hear a story and you're like, I can't believe even after doing true crime for so long that this shit really happens to people and they survive it. And then they, I mean, it's just unreal. Okay. So her ability to recall and describe the ordeal despite the trauma and her age, etc. was remarkable. But some things did remain unclear. She told them where Joseph had taken Dylan and her and in later interviews, she actually recalled in detail how she had watched Dylan get killed. But at the hospital, she didn't really seem to remember that he was dead. And she asked her dad, if he knew what happened to Dylan, even though she knew, but wasn't I guess it sure looks interesting. Yeah. It's just, I think she didn't hadn't processed it yet. And so we didn't get the details right away. But what we do know or what they did know and got from her that day in the hospital is that the night of her abduction, she was asleep at home in the bedroom. She shared with Dylan, Brenda, her mom had woken her up crying and confused. Shasta asked if it was time for school. This part makes me sick to my stomach. Brenda told her know that there was someone in the house that didn't want them to be there. Oh my God. The intruder Joseph was wearing a mask dressed in all black and armed with a shotgun. Oh my God. He forced the entire family to gather where he bound them with duct tape and zip ties. Shasta remembered thinking that when he began to bind her, she knew that he wasn't a good person. Joseph carried Shasta and Dylan outside and laid them down beneath a crab apple tree in the yard. The two youngest children told each other they were scared. They heard thumping sounds and Mark making sounds like he was in pain and then they saw their brother's slayed run outside. His wrists were still bound but he had somehow gotten his legs free. Shasta recalled thinking he looked confused like he didn't know where to go. He doesn't. No, of course. Joseph pursued slayed and attacked him with a hammer until he seemed to lose consciousness. Joseph cut the ties from Dylan and Shasta and made them stand up and walk to his vehicle, which was a stolen rental Jeep. As she passed, Shasta looked her older brother slayed in the eyes and he looked back at her just staring and Shasta felt as though he died in that moment, looking at her as how she described it. Oh my God. But because he was later recovered in the house beside his mother at her feet, investigators believe he must have somehow gotten up one more time and gone back inside, which was also into the back door, which is where the original neighbor saw the blood all over the outside of the door, which explains how it got there. It's just so deeply disturbing. Just as everyone had feared, Joseph got away with Dylan and Shasta in tow transporting them nearly 100 miles to an isolated campground, speaking of horror movies. Joseph told them they were in low, low forest, which is a 2.3 million acre land area in the Rocky Mountains of Montana. Oh wow. Okay. He told Dylan and Shasta, this is where a lot of this stuff gets really detailed and disturbing, so tread with caution here, folks. He told Dylan and Shasta that they had to call him daddy, dad or jet. He said the name jet was the name he had been given by his prison husband. Yeah. Joseph shot a hole in a tree to demonstrate the gun's power and told the children that he would do the same to them if they tried to escape. And then for weeks, he proceeded to, as you can imagine, do the worst, most despicable things to these children, rape, torture. He would leave to pick up food or other supplies and he would chain them up separately so that they couldn't reach each other. Shasta told Dylan that she promised she would get them both home alive and she asked him if he believed her and he said that he did. One day, Joseph pointed out a squirrel that regularly wandered into their camp. This part is hard, okay? He told Dylan and Shasta that if they caught the squirrel, they could go home. Dylan managed to catch it and Joseph pretended to start packing as if he would really take them home. But while Shasta and Dylan were standing side-by-side holding hands preparing to go home, Joseph shot Dylan without warning twice. Shasta said later she couldn't scream or react in any way when Dylan died beside her. Joseph made her gather up Dylan's belongings, like some toys they had taken from the house, into a tarp which they then burned. It's no wonder that she got to the hospital later and said, "I don't know what happened to Dylan." Just total shock. How could you even begin to know, yeah? That was just like a sick little game he was playing where, like, if one of them catches the squirrel, that'll be the one I killed. Yep. And like them holding hands and thinking they get to go home. I mean, all of it, it's extremely sick and the fact that she still had guilt afterward about not bringing him home, you know, because she promised him she would bring him home, like it's just all. Joseph made her gather up the stuff and they burned the tarp. He then asked her whether she would rather be shot or strangled to death. She told him she would rather be strangled, not solely because she was terrified to experience what she had just seen happen to her brother, but because she also somehow felt being strangled would give her an opportunity to negotiate. So like to fight back, I guess. Joseph started to strangle her with a rope and Shasta said, "Please don't jet." He stopped and started to cry. He told Shasta that when she called him jet, he realized she must genuinely care about him. And that's when she realized what she needed to do to survive. And it was pretend to care and love this man. This is like a trauma bond. I know like we've used the word trauma bond incorrectly in the past, but like this trauma chapter, like victim chapter thing, or victim abuser thing is, yeah. So whenever he referenced taking her home, she would tell him that she didn't want to go home. She wanted to stay with him, like against every cell in her being, you know? Shasta saw that each time she pretended to like Joseph, it would catch him off guard and make him happy. So he began to trust her and would subject her to stories about himself, the crimes he had committed against other children. And she was realizing like he would be was trusting her. One day he asked Shasta if she would stay with him forever and be his daughter in earnest. And she told him, of course, she would. He was so happy and told Shasta they would go back to his hometown so she could meet his mom and siblings. That's the ability to think that he could get away with, I mean, it's just the confidence narcissism thing again that we always talk about. But I think it's also like some extreme mental illness to say like an eight year old, you're going to, I mean, well, yeah, but I mean like the, I'm, I'm saying specifically, the total of the logic now, yeah, bring a very like very popular missing child's to other families say, this is my daughter. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. What the fuck are you talking about? Totally. Totally. Yeah. 100%. Like, like so out of the realm of any sort of logic, you know, that you think you could just do that. So she said, yeah, I would love that. He said, we'd get our own home and be a family. And you know, he's sexually assaulting this girl. Remember like this. Oh, I haven't forgotten. Yeah. Shasta pretended to be excited for their future, but she said, oh, I would really love to show you my hometown of Cordaline. She lied to him and said she wanted to show him things from her life, like her school and her best friend's house so he could get to know her better. And he fell for it, hookline and sinker. Plus Cordaline was on the route to his own home, so he agreed. And shortly thereafter they were spotted in a denny's in Cordaline where Shasta was rescued. That's how she got free. A few days after that, Dylan's remains were recovered in Lolo National Forest. They were able to pin down who this Joseph Duncan was. He was an active fugitive having fled Minnesota to avoid being charged for sexually assaulting children in a park. Yep. That makes sense? Yep. There we go. His incarceration history went back to his teenage years in Washington state, beginning in 1980 when he was 17 years old, and sentenced to 20 years in prison for raping a 14-year-old boy. In the following years, he was paroled multiple times, but repeatedly violated parole and was re-incarcerated, but finally released in 2000, moving to Fargo, North Dakota, where he studied computer science at a local college. But in 2004, he crossed the border into Minnesota, where he stalked and assaulted children in a park who then identified him. He was granted bail that a friend posted for him and he fled. While fleeing, he attacked the green family. This was within four months of fleeing this bail. Yeah. Fearing he might have hurt more people, detectives got a warrant for the GPS system. Joseph was using in the stolen jeep and wouldn't you know it. There were 33 waypoints on his route. From Minnesota to Cordalaine, and each waypoint marked a potential victim he was considering. Holy shit. He plugged them into the fucking GPS. That's, I mean, absolute monster. Yeah. So this is why he said he did it. He said he resented that he had to report as a sex offender wherever he moved. And that when a child went missing or a similar case was open, that he was the one visited by law enforcement. I'm like, well, I wonder who's fucking fault that is you fucking perfer. Again. That's stupid narcissism of like how are you a victim in this? How does your brain fucking do that? The gymnastics alone. Yeah. It's crazy. He said that he knew he'd go back to prison. Well, he claimed that this was, these crimes were committed in revenge against the system for incarcerating him. And with the most recent charge of assaulting the kids in the park, he knew he would go back to prison. So he said he wanted to do something big before he went back to prison. And that's why he was looking for children to take. So he like knew this was just like grand finale. Yes. Yeah, I mean, fucking grow and then he was putting potentials in the map. He was like, this is so fucked up, but like he was like, it sounds like he was thinking like a buffet of children before a bucket list. It's so disturbing. Yes, a list. Yeah. He was like, I mean, and then he said he felt entitled to hurting someone else. So he would stalk these families looking for an ideal situation. What entitled to hurting them is like, yeah, there's no ration right now. You can't make no, no, no. So he stopped at all these waypoints, but at each stop, he felt that it wasn't right because something about the plan wasn't working the way it was supposed to. He had finally actually given up when he passed Wolf Lodge and sought two kids turned out to be Dylan and Shasta playing in the front yard. And he said, those are my ideal situation, yuck, yuck. He staked out the house for days. It was pretty rural, far from the nearest neighbor with the interstate as a very quick escape route. And in his eyes, the home and family were perfect and he was like, great, found it. So Shasta continued to share information with detectives about Joseph and she also reported on details of other crimes, Joseph had described to her because he confided in her, an eight-year-old. Detectives worked with FBI major crimes against Children Unit, which believed the crimes description matched details from the 1997 murder of 10-year-old Anthony Martinez. On April 4, 1997, Tony was playing outside with friends and his younger brother Marcos in Beaumont, California. Marcos was in kindergarten and Tony was in fourth grade. According to an adult interview with Marcos, a man approached them and said he needed help finding his lost cat. He showed them a photo and offered them each a dollar for helping him search. The boys followed him into a nearby alley where, of course, there was no cat. And when the boys were ready to give up, the man who turns out to be Joseph Duncan, Brandish and Knife, and Marcos knew he was in danger. Joseph reached for Marcos, the younger brother, trying to grab him, but Tony, the fourth grader, put himself in between them, protected his little brother, Joseph threw Tony into a vehicle and sped off and left Marcos there, rescued basically. He basically took the bullet for his younger brother. - Just. Um, it's just something else. Um, a massive search effort was launched to find Tony, Tony and Marcos' mother Diana Reed recalled, "It's just chaos, chaos in your head everywhere you look as chaos." 15 days later, a ranger noticed unusual vulture activity in a canyon 60 miles outside a Beaumont and following the vultures discovered Tony's remains. But Tony's family were left with no answers for eight years until detectives had Joseph in custody now for the green murders and abduction. When detectives visited Joseph, he said, "I bet you're here about Martinez." And they were like, "Sure are." Joseph told them that Tony was not the first child he abducted and murdered. The year before, he had also taken 11-year-old Sammy Joe White and her half-sister, 9-year-old Carmen J. Cubius. The girls lived with their mother Margaret Delaney and other siblings at crest motel in Seattle, Washington, where they spent their days playing outside, listening to music, making up games together. On the evening of July 6, 1996, they went across the street to Taco Time, a local restaurant, but they were gone longer than they were supposed to be. And their teenage brother had to go searching for them for several hours before their mother called the police. But there was no enormous search for Sammy Joe or Carmen by authorities because the family was native. They were living in unstable housing, in a neighborhood that was looked down upon, poverty drugs, sex work. They lived in this motel and police said, "Oh, they're probably runaways." So. Great. Tail was old-time. Yeah. Actually, in a lot of the coverage of this case, they don't even get mentioned. Oh. It's like, he literally killed these two children, but okay. That's great. Super. So there is no way these were runaways, but of course, nobody really wanted to believe that. They were only 9/11 years old. They were obviously in danger. Two years later in 1998, a man staying on an abandoned property in Bothal, Washington discovered the girl's skeletal remains. So it was known that they were dead, but it was not known what had happened to them. Sammy Joe's grandmother told the Seattle Times the unknowing was the hardest. Were they tortured? Were they treated right? There's no clues. No nothing. We did it until eight years later. Investigators name no suspects or persons of interest, the case grew cold. And people often comment that, yeah, they've been left out of documentaries and reports about Joseph Duncan, even though all his other crimes are included. So that's just extra disturbing somehow. And so, no, not. To also have wondered for years and years and years if you were tortured, and then you find out that they are and you're still being. And it's not even being. And it's not even part of. In October of 2006, Joseph Duncan pleaded guilty to the murders of Brenda, Mark and Slade. He dismissed his attorneys and represented himself, so you were on to it. You were on to it so hard. I should have just been like, yeah, go off, because I don't think I realized how obvious it became, but yeah. The second that I. The second that he was trusting in a year old, because she was somehow able to figure out his ego was true, because she figured out how to, like, see his fucking fragile ego totally 100% totally. Yeah, good point. So he dismissed his attorneys, represented himself, also pleaded guilty to federal kidnapping charges, prosecutors sought the death penalty, but based on his pleas, he would serve at least life in prison. He argued that, like, oh, it's only proved that I'm dangerous to children, but not, like, whether. If he's just. Let's just say his defense didn't go very well. You're honest. You don't get it. Yeah. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? You're honest. I'm only half a monster, because half the people have to be worried about me. Don't you understand? But prosecutors argued that his past crimes demonstrated a pattern of violence against children that would not end, and he might perpetuate this. And what's not for you? Get the, like, yes, he's only sexually attacking children, but he also has physically killed all ages. Every. Every exactly. So, like, what do you mean? Indiscriminately. Yeah. Everyone's unsafe around you. What's the problem? Exactly. On. Yes, amen. On August 27, 2008, a jury sentenced Joseph Duncan to three death sentences for Dylan's murder. He was never charged for the abduction and murder of Carmen and Sammy Joe, but in 2011, he pled guilty in California to the murder of 10-year-old Tony Martinez and received two life sentences for that. At a memorial ceremony, 20 years after Tony's death, his mother Diana remembered how supported they were by their community when Tony went missing, which I think is something that's often missing in these cases when it's, like, families feel, like, totally stranded and clueless, and, like, the authorities can only say so much, and that's when, like, you need that community, but I think so many times that's missing in these cases. So in March of 2021, Joseph died in prison of cancer. Tony Martinez's mother said, "The son is brighter today, and my soul is lighter." Shasta made a written statement, which said, "For so long, I've been struggling with hate towards that man. Today, I woke up feeling like my soul was finally free. I hope other people affected by Joseph Duncan were able to wake up feeling the same way." But Shasta did struggle afterwards, as duh, anyone would. She was getting so much attention. She would go to the grocery store and people would stop her and be like, "Oh, my God, are you Shasta? Like, what happened?" You know, and it's like, even the nicest of intentions of like, "Oh, thank God you're safe now." It's like, still. Your brother's in a better place. It's like, fuck you. You know? And by saying even, you know, we're so glad we found you. You are reminding her that she was once missing, and then the whole story all over again. And also, she got herself found, you know, like, yeah, exactly. Yeah, totally. The therapist that she was seeing, that she really liked and trusted, was caught telling people about Shasta's appointments and the things she was sharing in therapy. Fuck you. No jail time. No shit. Fucking jail. Holy shit. After that, Shasta had to see a new counselor, and she just got really sick of just talking about this every week, and she just wanted to be like normal, right? And she began to struggle with substance use disorder. She wanted to feel like a different person. And also, having trust that other therapist after that. How could you trust any therapist at this point totally? She said when everyone else gave up on her, her father was the only one who stood by her side, and she called him her hero through all of her struggles. She did eventually receive the support she needed to become sober and start recovering during a stay in a juvenile corrections program. And then when she became pregnant with her first son, she decided to make a change and build a stable, happy life for herself and her baby. She was married in 2018 and said she was finally moving forward with her life. But she still has photos of slayed of her mother and Mark hanging up at home. But she tells her sons that they had an uncle and grandparents who aren't alive anymore but are in heaven. She said that one of her sons, Lorenzo, reminds her of Dylan. She said Dylan was a gentle soul. He was my best friend. Lorenzo has the same habits my brother had, like playing with my hair. So, that fucked me up majorly this week. You could say that's why you drink, I mean that's that's fucking dark and bad. That's a given. Yeah, that's a given. The crime is why is always why I drink, in every episode. She is. Yeah, that one was a doozy. That one was like, I mean, it just kept getting worse, you know, so that's well. Wow, I don't know what to say, but you really, I know I said earlier, but talk about a heavy hitter. Mm hmm. It was a heavy hitter. And for those who stayed, thank you for for listening all the way through. I was supposed to prepare something, a gentle landing for us and I forgot. You were supposed to prepare a gentle landing, what do you mean? Well, remember I said we should have something to like distract us by the end and you have your coffee. I just have water. I don't have anything exciting. It's like any exciting news, any fun facts in your life. I would do the gentle landing, but I feel like I really, um, upstageed you earlier quite a lot. And I'm literally just laying in my bed. I got nothing to upstage you with, so you might as well upstage me. Um, no, I don't really have anything going on. Um, Lyona has picture day, um, so that exciting. She has this like retro mott, um, my mother-in-law, Sherry Botter, this like retro mott, like it's so cute. It's like bell bottoms and it's like striped like vertically. It's from like old Navy, but it's like precious. It's so fashionable in like this way where it's so funny to see a four-year-old like feeling herself in her outfit. Um, so yeah, it's very cute. Very cute. What's she into these days? Purple, glitter, unicorns, me too. Yeah. Yeah. All the things where I was like, we're going to be so gender neutral and just like sparkly rainbow unicorns and I'm like, wow, it really just, you just don't know. Nope. You just never know. I salute you for trying with the neutrality. I sure tried with the green and she's like, um, actually iridescent purple only and I'm like. got it. Meanwhile, earlier, remember I showed you that picture of the the onesie that I bought? Oh, yes. Not for myself, for my maybe future kid. Yeah. I was, because it's like neon green and neon pink and everything. And my first thought was like, if I have a sun, he'd look fly ash in less. Hell yeah. Who knows? If I have a daughter, she'd look fly ash in it. I mean, seriously, it's like that's kickass thrifted. But my first thought, of course, I'm constantly having to unpack. I was like, I was like, oh, it's pink. And I was like, well, anyone can obviously wear that. And I was like, they would both look so sick. It was um, but everybody was such an impulse purchasing. But I was like, this is anything's gender neutral, if you just believe in it, hard to imagine. Well, exactly. So now I'm like, let's fucking go. Did you think Leona will at all have like a tomboy phase, or she's currently showing signs of just being missed? No, I think she's going to swing real, no, I think she's going to swing really hard also in the other direction only because when she like, I think this was a really hard swing when she started preschool, because she's like, oh, other girls and other like kids and, you know, she's like, I love those things. And I think there's always inevitably the swing back of like, I don't like pink anymore, you know, I just feel like that's inevitable. I wonder what's going to be so fun when she is. I know I'm just like writing the waves of like, what's cool today? You know, it's so funny. So yeah, it's kind of delightful to watch. Precious. Yeah. Well, next time you see me, I might be in LA. I can't wait for whatever art is behind you at the next hotel. Me too. Every hotel's different. This is a, the horses are not my cup of tea usually, but um, yeah, we'll see what's next. So boy, oh boy. All right. Well, I guess we'll see wherever you end up next. You as well. Maybe the couch. No, don't go too far, geez. That's all the way downstairs. Oh my god. You should do a show one day, at least in your basement, the spooky spooky basement. I mean, it'd probably just be me swatting at mosquitoes the whole time. Also, I'm asking you publicly in last minute. So you don't have to have a suggestion. But do you have a suggestion for 500 for the topic? I actually came up with something already for you that I had to brainstorm for a while because I was like, I, anyway, so, but I don't, but I haven't even thought the other way around. Um, no. I know that's not helpful. I can, well, I can think about it. I haven't thought about it. I know you're okay. I can brainstorm it if you want. No, it's, I mean, I was, because I, uh, other people have also written in their suggestions, which has really helped. Okay, that's good. What about, like, yeah, um, hmm. Well, I wanted to do like cowboy today and then it ends up not happening. So I feel like I feel like I owe you a good one. And in two episodes from now, it was a good reason to have a good one. That feels like it could be really fun on a cowboy ghost. One day, I'll find time again. He's so elusive and mysterious. He's just watching to the side. Why do you think? Well, I do you think I'm just yearning for him, you know. Okay, well, we'll see you all next time. Uh, and that's why we drink. We'll see you in the next episode, we'll see you in the next episode, we'll see you in the next episode. Minulo was a great partner in the future. All of the things that have been done, as you can see, are in the dashboard.