E496 Honeymoon Hamburgers and Whale Princes

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Like, we had already lost power 'cause of the storm that had gone through. It was just like, I felt like I was a little home on the prairie or whatever that children's book is from America. - Yeah, talk about being mad at Allison because when Hank got skunked, I called her like freaking out, being like, "What do I do? What do I do?" And she was like, "You could Google it." And it was two in the morning for her to be fair, but it was not the help I wanted. I wanted her to teleport there and fix it, and she couldn't, and so-- - No, she was like, "I don't matter what." - I actively told no one, except then I continued to bitch about the entire-- - I went into complete space. - What do you mean? - I wasn't, like, smell it in the house, lady. - No, they were out of town. He and Leonel were visiting, sorry. That was part of the problem. During the tornado and all this, I was home alone. I had to open the trap door to the basement, and do you remember it was the day we recorded, and there were these roofers on the roof, and I kept saying like, "I feel good when I watch them fall." Well, guess what? That day, the ladder was still freaking up to the roof, and I was like, in the living room going, "I am a strong, independent woman," and like, opening the trap door, 'cause it's like eight feet tall, and like, made of the floor. It's made of the floor, and so I'm like, lifting it. And Juniper and Moonshine just trought on downstairs, like, they're ready to be saved, you know, from this fucking hurricane. And then, I'm suddenly, like, screaming out the door to these roofers, like, get in the house. You idiots, you're gonna die, but the ladder was stuck, and it's gonna fly down the street and kill somebody. So anyway, they hit it their car. I know I've told a story, but that is where I was alone, and then that night, it couldn't get worse so that it didn't happen. I mean, you're not gonna wanna hear this. Oh, oh, it got so much worse. Oh, my God, wait, this is the worst part. The next morning, I went to yoga. I had to wash the chart, everything, and the yoga instructor at the end goes, "Yeah." "Man, it just reeks, and I go." And the whole neighborhood starts talking. And the reason I brought this up is because the time I was awoke in the day after was so horrifying, was almost as horrifying as a song, the neighbors outside. I heard them saying, "Does anyone smell that? "What happened out here? "It's right around this house, and I'm like, in my bedroom, "waking up, and I hear them congregating." Like I'm in some sort of pilgrim, like, time. Yeah, they're coming right here. Like a witch hunt, they're all gathered outside, and my window's open, and I'm like, "Oh, my God, don't make a sound." But it's like emanating off me. I just became that guy for the day, for the week. I know exactly every single step of the way that is horrible. It's horrible. And honestly, you're not going to want to hear this, but I feel like it was actually a gift that nobody else was there to help you, because everyone else is closed, and like, as you know, as you just said, you don't even recognize the smell at some point on you. So like, it would have spread 10 times with God. It was like in my hair. Yeah, and then like the, 'cause I remember, I spent all night, I was up until like nine in the morning the next day trying to clean the entire house. And thank God we had just like moved in and had very little in the house. So I just, it had the windows and door open for three days, and I was like, if someone wants to steal my shit, they can, I don't care. Just to air it out, 'cause as you know, that smell is like something you've never smelled in your life. It's like, it like went through the neighborhood. And I think you actually chased these duck, frickin' skunks around the neighborhood, 'cause he was gone for 15 minutes. I had no clue where he was. That dog, I mean, he's going to kill, he's going to be the end of me. My nervous system can't take it. I love that he's still a little silly boy though. He's just my little prince, and now he's laying in the bed, like taking up the half of the king size bed, just living the little prince life. - Does it still smell like skunk at all? 'Cause for days after, I didn't know it, I even smelled it that, 'cause I got so used to the smell. - To be honest, I stopped caring. - I went to the dog park and everyone was like, "Oh, Hank clearly got skunked and I went." And then he smelled him and he went, "Oh no, he's fine." And then they smelled me and they went, "Oh, you didn't clean yourself." 'Cause that's what I thought. - I just like, God, I was like, I don't have the capacity to care about this anymore. And I just stopped caring. - I feel so bad for you. It really is like, it's one of those things that like, it's one of those things that you are, you can morally feel okay by like wishing on a worst enemy. You know, it's like, I can't put an mouth. It's like, I-- - Talk about like a big inconvenience, but like, and like somewhat embarrassing and really a pain in the ass, but like, ultimately not a huge danger, hopefully, if it doesn't get to you. - Exactly. - It just temporarily, the zucking sucks. It just sucks. - Yeah, it was not cute for like my few days as an independent woman, you know, alone at home and-- - I'm sorry. - No one but the trap door to keep me safe from the hurt. - I'm so sorry. - That sounds like you actually really didn't have any fun. - You know what I'm talking about? - It's like, the skunk is the least in my life worries, but it's the only thing that feels like, you know, it's like, the skunk, like, it was like the cherry on top, you know, it goes like that. You know, it's like, oh, the night I needed to sleep, it's like, how about instead it to in the morning after you finally got power, instead of sleeping with air conditioning finally, like, you actually have to be awake now and trapped in the bathroom with this dog for two hours. - Dude, I mean, you're, it's like we lived in the same story. - But it's like so least in my concern. So it's like, it's just insane on top of every, it just, it's just the umbrella on top of everything. Now, everything smells like skunk. - When I, when I, when he got skunked, it was the last time I was letting him out for the night knows to in the morning, and then I was like, well, I got some cleaning for the next seven hours of my life. - I guess this is now my life. - Oh my God, and that was the day I found out he's scared of baths. That was a bad day, so it's like, oh, you really fucking need a while. - Well, you really, this is the time to find out. - Yeah, no, but that was actually, I mean, you and Geo have clearly already bonded, but that was for us, that was the moment. First time we had to put our differences aside. - Yeah, clearly. - This is, to say both of us. - I'm assuming that's why you drink, even though it's a few weeks old. - You know what, it is why I drink, 'cause there are so many reasons, but they're all far too insane and heavy and gigantic. So that'll be for another, catch me somewhere else on that. - Okay. - I don't know. - Okay, what are you drinking? - I'm drinking just water. 'Cause I'm just kind of trying to survive. What are you drinking? - I'm also drinking water, but I'm drinking, I'm surrounded by bottles of half-drink water, but I keep leaving everywhere, and now my goal throughout this is to just drink all of them. - You marry the ketchup? - What? - You marry the waters? - You can't just say that twice, and now-- - It's like, what are you talking about? - It's like what you do when you work in a restaurant, you put the, at the end of it, you consolidate. - Yes, I'm marrying the ketchup, but my body is the ketchup bottle. - And the ketchup is water. - And the ketchup is water, yeah. - It's the same. - One time I used to drink that. - One time I worked out a farm for a few months. - I was supposed to, but I just kind of did, and I had a crush on the farmer, Mark, with the sea, 'cause he went to Harvard and he quoted books and stuff, and I was 18, so I had a huge crush on him. So I kept going to the farm, and they were like, you're not, like, your shift is over, and I was like, oh, well, I'm here. But the first day I was there, they were like, you have to consolidate the lettuce. And they kept saying that, and I was like, I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means. And so I stood by the lettuce, and I just was like, oh, yes, I'll move this bin on top of the fridge. Could that be consolidating? Like, I stood in there for like an hour being like, what do I do? And then finally they were like, wondering if I'm gonna consolidate the lettuce. - Exactly, I was like, and I said, I think so, and they were like, well, let me do it real quick, and then they just don't know what it is in the moment. Oh, I thought you said, move it on top of the fridge. My bad. - Literally, I hate to break it to you, but I think the, first of all, a farmer from Harvard has like straight out a hallmark. - I know, and I thought that I was the co-star, but alas, I was just the quirky sidekick in the background. Who didn't know how to consolidate the lettuce. - I do think someone else probably came along, and you were just like the comedy point in the beginning. - Yeah, yeah, she was really pretty too. - Yeah. But yeah, I think if he's from Harvard, and you didn't know what the phrase consolidate the lettuce, he probably went, we are in different brackets, I think. - Well, that was also the week that I found out I had entered, I had been accepted to the program where I met Allison. Go forth, which was the philosophy seminar, like live-in philosophy seminar that she and I both did. So I told Mark all about how I got to be part of the live-in philosophy seminar. - I'm sure they actually really sucked them in. I bet that one would do. - Yeah, that one got him good. - Well, I don't know. You don't know consolidate the lettuce. I don't know Mary the catch-up. So obviously we have, we're meant to be. - So look at the fuck out of here. - I would have looked at you on that farm and been like, this is not our place, babe, it's time. - Yeah, I would have been like, Mary who? (both laughing) - Who's Mark? - I'll maybe Mark. - Okay, so that's what I'm just drinking a bunch. I have loose waters, and then I today is the new last day that Allison's parents will be here, but they extended their trip. - The new last day, what does that mean? - They were supposed to leave earlier, but they've extended their trip because the building has become so elaborate of the spooky- - Of the spooky-z. - Of the spooky-z? - I am not allowed to know still what's happening. I just know that I thought a moving walkway or something. I can't wait to find out. - Literally, I have, I consider myself generally handy, and like, if it requires a drill, I can do it. I can do that. But I don't know how to do any of the stuff that they're all doing. - Yeah, I mean, not an architect level, I suppose. - Certainly not, especially like retired decades and decades and decades between them experience. - And looking for a project. - It's hungry for, they're hungry for that project. - All three of them, it's like family bonding plus just yearning for something to accomplish. - I mean, that sounds great. - So they're looking to come over to my house, please. - They're all up to something, but also, let's not forget that they've all been starting at like 7 a.m. They've all been wonderfully quiet. That's not the problem. There's not even a problem, but it's like from 7 a.m. until like past dinner, they just are going, going, going, and they still didn't get everything that they wanted to done in time, and so they extended the. Anyway, so they're all. I can't wait for the tour, the virtual tour afterward. Me too, because I don't even know what's going on there. Okay, fair point. The garage is now called the shop officially. Oh, that's kickass. Okay, keep going, oh, we're wearing the shop, and oh, you're going to record. We'll just be in the shop for the next three hours. I'm like, what could you be doing in there? But in the shop, please. They're in the shop, so I love that for them. Anyway, and also, well, I'm not even going to get into that. I have a lot to tell you about my story today, so we got to get into this. So my mom was watching my house, and she was like, oh, I have to sign for a package, which means it might be alcohol. And I was like, yes, you can have it. And she's very excited, because she's gotten way into Angry Orchard. This episode, by the way, is brought to you by Angry Orchard Heart Sider. Very delicious, very crisp stuff, and now delivered to my home and to my mother. 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And then I was like, I did my thing, where I was like the story's too short. I need to find like a quick little deep dive to talk about. So like I have enough for us to like banter about. And then the deep dives just kept a common. And so I want to apologize to the people who like a straight lined story. I'm here for the worldly ride. It's going to be a loop to loop kind of situation. Take my drama mean though. Worn you when the loop to loops are coming. But this is the story itself is actually incredibly boring. But every time like good start to a podcast. But like the but the people that come along the way, the friendships you make along the way, I gave them a Google and I went, oh, this person so interesting. They deserve a little shout out. See, okay, we've got, okay, okay, we've got some characters. So I can give you an incredibly short rendition if you like. It would be about 15 sentences. But along the way, it gets very interesting. So if you recall last week, I did haunted fast food restaurants. Yes. And then I said there was a McDonald's that I really wanted to cover. I did not, the McDonald's is one bullet. There's nothing like I thought I was going to get really into like the nitty gritty of a Honda McDonald's. There really is nothing to talk about except that for a time it was a McDonald's. But the house itself ended up being its own super interesting story. So, oh, okay. So let's just say this was inspired by the McDonald's. I thought I'd be talking about. But we're also not getting paid by McDonald's. So like they better step up. And honestly, thank God we're not getting paid because I'm only going to mention them once. So otherwise, it'd be so disappointing to them to be like, we paid for a full episode. What's going on? We wouldn't be getting paid then probably. So this is one of the McDonald's. I did not cover last week. This is the frontier house. Ooh, okay. Which in the 70s becomes McDonald's temporarily. Okay. So this is the frontier house. And then I'm also going to add this on. This is mainly for Megan, our social media queen. Are you okay? I'm just, oh, I see. You're having fun. Okay. Off screen. I thought you were like fainting because Megan's incredible. Sorry. If I disappeared, Jack just cut the M when I'm paying. Sorry. I'm like having a, I'll tell you about another time M. But my last phone is hard. Okay. I can relate. We could go forever. Yep. So I'm calling this the frontier house. I'm also going to call this the frontier house and the Morgan affair because it's such a big chunk of this story. And it's also like somewhat of a historical event. So if someone wanted to search that on our website and our episode list, then you want to be able to type in the Morgan affair instead of the frontier house. I don't know. However you want to do it, Megan, I trust you. It's in Lewis, in New York, which is in the Niagara area. Aha. I've been to Niagara Falls on my mom's honeymoon. Have you? You got to go on one of their honeymoon. That's sick. I did it. I brought my best friend with me. It was a really insane time. No, I, I, that's as a child of many divorces. It's much less insane than other things you've said. Yeah. Well, we got to, well, we wrote a poem. Well, we didn't get to. We weren't really asked to, but we wrote a poem for the wedding that rhymed and then, um, whoa, you know, they were, I'm sorry. Maybe it was beautiful, but like also, I feel like, okay, I was going to say as the bride and groom, I feel like they were trying to do something sweet and include you, but they're also kind of stifling their laughs and trying to keep it together. They were just, it was more just that they were absolutely not pleased that I was acting up again. Um, but it's okay. Because my brother did a violin solo and my grandpa gave him a hundred dollars. So you know what? Somebody paid for his, his, his performance and you know, he got paid for everything. Uh, yeah, he got paid for that. And so, I, that was a trip where Alyssa and I got into a fight about hamburger prices and my mom called me a bitch in the hard rock cafe. Damn. You must have said something really mean about hamburgers. I was right. No, I wasn't. I'm on your side, whatever you said. Thank you. But, you know what, hamburger prices are exactly too higher, lower, exactly right, whatever you said. That's exactly right. Thank you. So this is in the Niagara area. We've gotten until like a third of one time. I was going to say, I don't know why you, why you've extended this any further. I could probably make it 18 hours. I should know better. Um, this building was built in 1824. It was built as a swanky hotel slash stagecoach shop slash tavern. Um, and it was called the finest hotel west of Albany. West of Albany is a lot of space. West of Albany. If you said east of Albany, I'd be like, okay, that makes sense. Yeah, that hits the ocean pretty quick. Yeah. I did Google how many hotels were west of Albany in the 1820s. Maybe they meant like, oh, because I want to be like, oh, you're number one out of how many. And also, there's no fucking way without a plane that you know this. You're just saying that. Yeah, but like, that's the perfect thing because it's like negligible. What does it call negligible? What was it called when you, um, source of the D doesn't it, um, denegg, denegg, uh, uh, um, possible deniability. Thank you. I was close. Uh, yeah, possible deniability. They're like, well, as far as I know, I mean, I haven't taken my private jet in 1822 out to wherever the fuck. So yeah. So it is allegedly, I mean, no one was ever going to prove them wrong because they could only walk so many miles in their lifetime. The finest hotel west of Albany. It was built out of three-feet thick walls of stone made by only 18 men over only 18 months. This is like a riddle. It does feel like they all just took like a one month long shift at a time. Yeah, it feels like a goat was like, a magical goat had something to do with it. Like a beanstalk grew out of it. Yes. No, I literally is not saying a bag of beans or something. Yes. So okay, it was made by 18 men over 18 months. And that's just, that does feel like they just said that for the flare and it can't be real. Yeah. When it was finished, the hotel was 15 rooms, which I don't know if that's big or small. Wait, they were 18 men. Did they have to like, right? Did they have to share while they weren't? I thought they were all going to contribute a room. Now what's fun is that the, that would have been fun if you let every, okay, hotel hotel, hotel EA people. I need you at the front. You should have at the hotel staff and that's our song. As I, as I see you, 500 or something, so you leave me alone. And this is my fantasy. We're like, I can just do that. We have traveled to so many holiday and expresses I've never seen you. Okay, but can you imagine? Can you imagine? I would lose my ever loving mind. No, imagine something else. Can you imagine a hotel and you let every person who works design their own room and that everyone has a whole floor floor? It's also a terrible idea because most people have terrible tastes. No funs to most people. It would be very silly. And what if you, it's probably not you, wink, but it probably is. What if they all had the same interest and they all ended up being the exact same room? I'd be like, are you fucking kidding me? Oh, it was just all like that gray, bachelor, pad type, like everything's kind of too sharp. Well, this one, the only similarity between each of them, I guess, that we know for sure is that all 15 rooms had a fireplace, which is nice in the 1820s. That's nice. Guests here, because remember it was super swanky. Guests included President McKinley. Okay. Geez. Mark Twain, Charles Dickens, The Prince of Wales. What the fuck? I mean, Charles Dickens, The Prince of Wales. My favorite prince of them all. I was so impressed by your hilarious joke while I really wish I could go back in time and really commit to that joke so you thought that was intentional but no God that was funny I was like what a weird title I've never heard him call that okay I get it now. No Charles Dickens comma the Prince of Wales comma understood understood. Now my favorite person and we have entered our first loop to loop very quickly our first tangent. One of the people who've stayed here is Jenny Lindt do you know the name Jenny Lindt I don't question mark okay so I need everybody know immediately I know that this is silly that I'm going so in depth about this purely to say at the end she was just one of the guests that came to this place and she has no significant meeting to this building but she's so interesting she's so interesting and also she was the only woman listed out of all the notable guests so let's give her a moment. Yeah let's see Jenny Lindt was a famous soprano opera singer also known my grandma yeah you know what that was Jenny Lindt's favorite song she was born in Sweden and her stage name became the Swedish Nightingale. It's Swedish Nightmare and I was like that's kickass. No but that would that would actually be for sure a metal band you know that's like a hardcore band Swedish Nightmare. It's just like the scar scar brothers or something just all six Mafia Swedish Mafia am I making that up I it's either that or you're having a stroke but I'm not sure which it could be both so she's a famous opera singer known as the Swedish Nightingale and she was actually now tell me this is the second I saw this title in an article I was like obviously she's getting a deep dive she is known as one of the countries not sorry not Sweden the US she is known as one of the US's first female celebrities and is often jokingly referred to as the first Taylor Swift. What? Don't not get you okay jokingly referred to let's not joke about her it sounds like she is the like I would agree to assess her she certainly was like like everyone knew her okay so we're gonna go into this so Lind like the name is like I'm like I feel like I should know what that it you know what I mean it's like it's familiar to me but I don't well it sounds so like America's sweetheart like oh Jennie Lind everything yes yes so she was born 1820 did the door just open I don't know it's like now that there's so many people in and out of this house it's like ghosts are here so she was born in 1820 and she grew up in Sweden but she sang across Europe from 11 to 28 okay wow and by 28 she could retire that's how like big her opera singing was so at 28 this is a quote I just didn't even want to change this up at 28 the audience for her farewell performance included Queen Victoria who presented her with a gem and crusted night and gale well that well fun okay no big deal here I'll just bring this gem and crusted night and gale as a present can you imagine you haven't even hit 30 and then people come into your house and they're like oh my god what's this little chochki on your shop oh you know the queen gave it to me when I retired are you kidding yeah it's really quite gosh so okay so then she retires and after retirement she's like I should really get into just like doing concerts that'd be like so sec but she said it in Swedish so PT Barnum of Barnum and Bailey I almost said his name earlier when you were talking about lion tamers it's and also you said something about flying a jet and I almost mentioned Taylor Swift it's there's a lot of synchronicity wow so PT Barnum heard about her and said girl you gotta get to the US you have to go on tour let me be your tour manager because he smelled money like like mr. Krabs he was like Jenny Lynn oh yeah oh yeah he's in a she's the next Taylor Swift I can just tell you like exactly his words and she was like his Taylor Swift and he's like don't worry about it it's gonna be great oh you don't even know the half of it so he said I'm gonna manage your tour just come here at the time nobody actually knew who she was in the United States she was more of a European thing but then oh so he's like let's bring the clap the the the yeah the class to to America he said we're gonna blow him all away so oh she agreed to come on tour under his management to the US she had all these stipulations I love that she was like I'm gonna decide what music I sing I want a thousand dollars per show good yeah she's been in the show business for her whole life since she's a kid what is this amateur hour so she her whole dream was to one day open a music school for girls so she was like I'm doing this tour purely to make enough money to then just donate it all so let's make that clear I need enough for a music music love that so to promote her upcoming tour he went bananas with the publicity everything he could think of he did which I can't imagine more than like your local paper in the 1820s I don't know he's PT Barnum like if anyone's gonna be able to pull a stunt with like while also hurting animals in the process you know like he's gonna find a really fucked up way well he nailed it because basically the hype that he got her was equivalent to like beaver fever or beetle mania like everyone went bananas they called they ended up calling it because her name was Jenny Lynn they called it Linda Mania wow and thousands and thousands and thousands think it was like around like 50,000 people showed up just to see her arrive in New York so like imagine getting off a ship and like everyone you've ever seen at the sport is here for you and she she even stepped foot in the country yet and all these people were so stoked to see her her tickets which were um at the time I don't even I should have done the math on this but in the 1820s or 18 whatever's um her ticket was supposed to be six dollars in that oh wow there was money but people were so stoked for her that they sold so fast that her tickets became worth two hundred dollars each then and that's when ticket master was born and that's when someone had the idea certainly and they were like predatory marketing yeah yeah so people were even just buying random items the hotel mates were like selling her hair that they found in their brushes like their like gloves hats anything she ever touched she was like throwing out into the crowds and people were hoarding them for the rest of their lives she was like one of the first it girl celebrities crap she had her own line she was actually one of the first celebrities to have their own line of paper dolls thank you very much ever heard of the series Jenny Lynn dolls sick and uh she ended up also changing the furniture game because she said in some sort of interview which I didn't really interviewed celebrities back then she said that she was obsessed with this one bed that she slept with not slept with yikes slept in um it was called uh at the time it was a spool turned spindle bed and she was like oh America has the best bed the spool turned spindle beds I am obsessed I sleep so good blah blah a lot helix a Casper blah blah I was a I was told in my tongue well so now those beds are called Jenny Lynn beds to the stake so if Google if you want to Google it it's a very specific type of bed that you can still buy anywhere but they're known as Jenny Lynn beds because she loved them so much how do you spill her last game L&D oh yeah okay so that's exactly and that's such that like shaker americana style mm-hmm so that is how my stepmom's beds always looked and they always creeped me out because they were also always like a hundred years old and I felt like it does look like it's from another time yeah it's kind of creepy but I like the I kind of like the celebrate cabin yeah whimsy a little whimsical with the split yeah anyway so she ended up doing almost a hundred shows with uh PT Barnum uh so she made almost a hundred thousand dollars back then just on his tour and she did another 60 shows in the US after she broke things off with PT Barnum and she made I think in like what would be the equivalent of like ten million dollars today dear god donated most of it and for those who are like Broadway musical people I am not going to tease you any longer yes she was also featured in the greatest showman also with PT Barnum Hugh Jackman and she's the one who's saying the song never enough I never saw this movie I think I watch it on the airplane it's become a like a song that's like a trending song in videos and stuff so like you probably have heard the song and don't know it but that was Jenny Lynn singing that song okay what's the name of it never enough great a show okay anyway that's my little spiral on Jenny Lynn but I thought that was like two interesting things I mean I can't believe I didn't know that I feel like some people might be shocked that we didn't know that but I've just someone out there has a special interest with Jenny Lynn and they're so glad that she finally had a moment finally seriously she looks oh she's cool oh my and it's so weird to see like an oil painting of her like you look wait she was a superstar it's like that's an oil painting well in the so in the greatest showman they also allude to like PT Barnum in Jenny Lynn like having like a thing I don't know if that parts true or if that was just for the movie but how fun would that be if you're like oh my god like you know the circus guy yeah that's mine oh my god yeah let me have someone oil paint her so you know what she looks like that feels truly so like how like Yen and Yang balanced relationships armor like it's the circus guy and the soprano opera star that could retire by 28 of course right and way impersonal and literally retire and buy a country somewhere you know it's like really I was in the wrong industry there's always a fancy pants and there's always the court jester meanwhile and my parents want me to go into stamina it's like really where what what was I thinking Okay, so all of that to say, everyone, she was just one of the many guests that came to this swanky hotel, the frontier house. And I mean, she sounds like a big deal, so she deserved it. So this was a hotel/stage coach shop in Tavern for almost a hundred years. And since the 1840s, the building has changed ownership like eight or ten times. So it started in the 1820s, the first 20 years, it was owned by the same person and then it just kind of started changing hands. The hotel had a big few years in the 1960s because there was this huge boom of factory workers that came into the area and they didn't have enough housing yet. So then the hotel kind of became a boarding house where they were rent, it was like daily rates, but they were doing it on the spindle beds. Can you imagine? They should have been like, we only have Jenny Lynn beds after Jenny Lynn stayed here and you can be in the Jenny Lynn suite. They really should have monetized that if they wanted a- I feel like it's a good marketing strategy. I think so. So anyway, they ended up renting the rooms by eight hour shifts so that way they could have three sets of customers per room every day. Oh, wow, okay. Just so people could go in there and take a nap on their break or on their day off and then they could go right back to the factory. So it's been a hotel, it's been a boarding house, it's been a restaurant. At one point it was also a museum. It's been all sorts of stuff, but it was also a free mason lodge for many years and I need you to remember that eventually. I will not forget it. I would remember the McDonald's and I remember the free mason lodge. The only things you have to care about so far, Jenny Lynn was interesting, but all you need to know is it was once the McDonald's. Oh, I care deeply about her. I still have her oil port right up on the side of the screen just because I find it delightful. Listen to that song later. It's a wonderful song. I have like the little page that says like Jenny Lynn to music and like some of her songs in a picture. It looks great. I'm going to listen to it. Oh, yeah. I like how I'm suggesting the one song she didn't actually sing. It's just like. Oh, yes. I'm in her original music, but yes. I will also listen to the greatest showman song I'll surface. Okay. So before I get into the free mason lodge lore, I want to go on another downwards viral because this guy is equally as interesting. One of the owners in all of those exchanges of ownership, one of the owners, his name was George Rector. He added on another restaurant to the building and this is actually very foreshadowing. I'm not just him, but his son and his grandson who all became restaurateurs. Okay. So it sounds like eventually down the line. Some of his kids also ended up running this place, but we care about George Rector. Okay. George has a son named Charles. Charles went on to move to New York and Chicago, open his own restaurants and he created this chain called the Rector's Restaurant. Okay. Makes sense. The first restaurant was actually in Chicago as part of the 1893 World's Fair. Ooh. He ended up opening another Rector's because that one was obviously so successful. He opened this one like in like the Times Square area on Broadway, like, or not Times Square, sorry, like literal Broadway, 42nd Street. If not 42nd Street, let's call it 44th Street nearby. It was in the huge area where all of the actors and theaters and celebrities went in the 1910s. Sure. He served all the celebrities at the time and the restaurant was so well known as the restaurant where all the Broadway people go, that the Zigfield Follies that I've mentioned in the past, do you know about them? Yeah. Sort of. They were like a musical, they would put on different shows, like Variety shows. Yeah. They created a show using Rectors as the set of their own show because it was so well known as the restaurant where all of the like Follies and the other stuff. Oh, neat. So that show was called The Girl from Rectors. The Girl by the way was fictional. They just threw Rectors in there. And they even had a song featured in the show called If the Tables at Rectors Could Talk. They say, "Oh, she paid a nickel and grazed his hand gently." And by the way, my favorite thing about this like show inspired by these famous restaurants, this show The Girl from Rectors was advertised as, and I quote, "a spicy salad with very little dressing." Oh, it actually ends up dinging the restaurant's reputation because it made it sound like all the salacious people go there. But that's also kind of what you want. That sounds like a Tinder profile. Okay. So we're not done with the loophole. I just want to make sure that the one of the owners of the hotel was George Rector. His son Charles opened these Rectors restaurants. And this one restaurant that was on Broadway that everyone cared about. There was one very famous guy in the Broadway scene. This doesn't mean he was like in theater, but he was just a part of that nightlife crowd. Yeah. Yeah. He was just like in it. He was there. Everyone knew him in the Broadway area of New York. And he was called Diamond Jim Brady, Diamond Jim. We love Diamond Jim. Okay. By the way, despite him being like such an elitist, he's so iconic. I just need everyone to like put our capitalist feelings aside for a second. And so capitalist aside, because I just need you know, I read his obituary and I was like, in another world, I only wish to be as flamboyant and iconic as this man. So in his New York Times obituary, it said, all right, there were many obituries about him. They all wanted to write about him. And they all wrote about him as if it was a love letter. They all wow Diamond Jim was a big guy. He was apparently worth $12 million then, which is now like $462 million today. His jewelry alone was worth what is now around $80 million today. He owned the first car in New York somehow still had road rage, even though he was the fastest man alive. He's the first to have road. Wow. Wait, you're right. He's literally the only one on the road. So it is all within. You know what I mean? Wow. That's deep. It says something, but he had the first car. I guess he also had the first road rage. And I'm assuming because of this road rage was involved in the first car traffic jam, like I'm assuming a car crash happened. He crashed himself. He crashed his own car and created his own traffic jam and created his own reason for car insurance. And he ruined it for everybody. He thinks a lot. Like he should have been the blueprint of like maybe cars aren't going to be. Maybe let's do. Do it a little different. Maybe an airbag. Maybe people named Diamond, whatever the fuck should like learn how to not drink and drive. Well, he was only assumed. He was known as Diamond because of his $80 million worth of jewels that apparently were so big that it took multiple fingers to hold one. Yeah. So he's driving around barely able to hold on to a steering wheel a little on that's exactly right. He can't even turn the key. There's not even a road. There's forces. Maybe that's why it's such a road rage. He was just weaving between people just walking through the street probably like you just like fucking hitting horses left and right. So he caused this. Oh, sorry. This was the cause and major traffic accident. This is the sentence in one of his obituaries that made me wish I could. It was very like a dolly partner. I'm so intrigued. Yeah. But I read this in his obituaries says he caused a sensation here recently before his death by purchasing a pair of glasses set with Rose Diamonds for his dog at $6,500 back then for his dog. Yeah. Back then people didn't like do shit like that for their dogs. Like nowadays that's like a celebrity thing but like back then people didn't treat their pets like that. He was Paris Hilton or something like it was like so eccentric to behave that way back then. So here's the other things about Diamond Jim and I know I'm going further and further. You might do like Elton John but like in the jewelry business. Yes. I don't know. That's a great way to put it. I also imagine how he clearly does not have just dog the reins. No. Yeah. And like for sure the blinked out glasses. He's like gay Tony soprano or something. Yes. My favorite thing about Diamond Jim was this man loved to eat. Like when I like he should like he would have he is a soprano this is crazy. He would have really been into like starring in like mukbangs or something on. Oh God. He had a phrase where he was like I start four inches away from the table and I stopped eating when my stomach is touching the table like he's like on a Dionysus shit. He's like just fill me up. Oh man. He's a they called him in one article the ultimate glutton because everything was too much everything was too much. Wow. He was so big and remember I know we're going further and further down the rabbit hole. But to to remind us that we're talking about like restaurants in New York in the area where he was the guy and he loved to eat. So every restaurant wanted him at their place to be like Diamond Jim eats with us. To give you an idea of how much he eats this was a quote. It's an average dinner he had at Rector's restaurant. Okay. Okay. Wow. Tell me if you could eat this Christine. I have a feeling it's a no. Two or three dozen two or three dozen oysters six crabs two bowls of green turtle soup six or seven lobsters two ducks a double portion of tarot and Sarloin steak vegetables and a dessert platter of French pastries. So average meal and the amount of animal. I'm sorry. You know when you start thinking about how many animals now are in you. Is just like starts to make me feel actually pretty when it's literally a farm in your stomach and like turtle like wild it like well turtle used to be huge back then. Look at all three. How many is it? It's like on all of them. Turtle was obsessed with it. It's like your favorite food. I have seen turtle on one menu. But it was. - I think it was like this, like a framedness, like-- - Oh, I've seen it, like it offered in places, but I've never-- - Still? - Okay, I was gonna say I could never, I don't think I could. - I'm not gonna be participating in that. - My body says no to that. But this man, okay, so it's obvious he fucking loves to eat. Literally-- - Yeah, I thought you were, like at the oysters, I was like, I could for sure eat it as no oysters, I bet you. And then it like kept going and I was like, okay, hold on, I'm actually really overwhelmed. - He, in one of his obituaries-- - Two ducks. - Don't put two ducks, like stop it. People saying two ducks, they just picked her a mallard and he's just gonna eat a mallard. Like, I hate this. - I mean, I was, what was the one that threw me off the most? It was a, a tariff, a double portion of tariffin. I don't even know what one portion of tariffin is. - I think it's a fish. - What's a tariffin? - Oh, it's a big fish. - No, isn't it, that's also turtle, right? Isn't that like the turps? - Oh, wait, it's a creepy turtles. - Yeah, it's-- - So he's-- - Why is he eating turtles? - Turtles of turtle soup. And then two portions of normal turtles. - I know that he just ate nine turtles. - He just ate a aquarium. - That is a duck. He is a Dr. Seuss book. He became an aquarium in a Dr. Seuss book by eating nine turtles. That's insane. - He's like, Sam, I am being like, look what could be done if you just opened your mind and your tummy up. - Yeah, look at how fucking diabolical things get when you try to peer pressure other people into eating things they shouldn't be eating. - I mean, even a dessert platter, it's sick. - It's not even just the French pastries. It's like he eats the tray. - I don't really think-- - But like at least there's not like fucking wildlife in 'em. - In one of his obituraries, his friend, like could've said anything in his fucking obituary. The friend took the opportunity instead to say, quote, "I have seen him eat a pound of candy in five minutes." - What else do they have to talk about if that's what he's busy doing eating turtles all the time? - Man, fucking mostly-- - I cannot get over the fact that he ate two turtles plus turtle soup. It's like you can't get enough turtle in one way, you got to eat turtles in another way. - Turtle must be somehow to him only delicious. - It's a matter with you, sir. - By the way, like to this day at the Beverly Hills restaurant, the famous one over here. - Yeah. - They have, you know, you know the place. They have an extra thick cut of steak named after him still. - I thought you were gonna say turtle and I was like, please don't tell me this, okay. - Besides being able to afford what's probably $50,000 worth of rose lenses for my dog. The only other thing I want of his life is the fact that there's an extra thick steak cut named after me. - Yeah, everything else I'll pass, yeah. But that you're right, those are like trophies. Those are good, good. Also, he never drank or smoke, instead with every meal he would chug gallons of orange juice. - This is just like that stuff. - Like the hard burn. - Think about the turtle and the orange juice mixing in your stomach. - I mean, we have to imagine why things-- - I think someone's so ill on their lunch break right now and I don't regret it. - And I am not here to Bobby Shama single person, but like I'm imagining the health stuff he's dealing with if he's eating that many calories every single day. But on top, one sip of orange juice, I'm fucking done for eight days. - The acid reflux. - I can't imagine gallons on top of the rest of his diet. I can't-- - And like the amount of liquid, like the soups and the gallons of juice, like this person must be just, wondering the bathroom, I mean, I can't, I can't, I can't. - Okay, so climbing kind of out of our rabbit hole now. That was probably as deep as we were gonna get. But so every restaurant in Broadway, obviously once him there is like, to be like, the famous eater comes to our place. That's how good our food is. And remember, we were at Rector's Restaurant. That was the big famous one. - Surgeon Charles. - Jordan Charles, George owned the frontier house. His son opened all the rectors and really wanted Diamond Jim to be like, only come into Rector's Restaurant. - So at one point, Diamond Jim is there. And Charles Rector hears Diamond Jim saying, "I love your food, but I really love filet de sole margarie." I've never had that. But it's a French fish dish. - I'm never going to 'cause I don't want to eat anything that this man thinks is a good dish. - Okay, well luckily for, like I don't think Diamond Jim knew who he was talking to, but Charles Rector was like, you don't know this, but my first restaurant was at the World's Fair in Chicago, where I opened one of the first like, really chic seafood restaurants. And so you're talking to the right person. - Oh, what a synchronicity. - You're talking to the right person. And at the time, French seafood dishes did not very much exist in the US. So Charles was like, if I went Diamond Jim to come into my place, I need to really wow him and have his favorite Parisian fish dish here. - Oh God, more with this fucking fish shit. - So basically Charles Rector doesn't know how to do anything simple. He could have just fucking, I don't know, called Paris and handled it. But instead, instead, he sent his son, so now we're at George Director's Grandson, okay. Sent his son, also named George. So we're gonna say George Jr. - George Jr. - He sent George Jr. He was like, hey, I know you're at Cornell and you're kind of thinking about law school, but like, would you want to apprentice at a Paris, a Parisian cafe? Like I know, you have a tie wrapped around your head right now and you have no plans for your future, but do you wanna go to a Parisian cafe for the summer? - So the rumor is that Charles ripped his son out of Cornell, I don't know how true that is, but ended up sending him to Paris to study under the best French chefs for the summer. - Let me guess, the kid probably didn't complain so much about that, but I would want to know. - He did it and he ended up becoming an incredible, internationally recognized chef. - Oh good friend. - He was, I know I mentioned Taylor Swift earlier, but a different article called him the Gordon Ramsay of the early 19th century. - Oh, with all the flair and all that. - Yeah, so he became known, or he ended up being a Cordon Bleu chef, he was in the society of Parisian cuisiners, he became the only American at this point to ever be approved by Parisian judges to be considered a master of that exact fish sauce that Diamond Jim loved. - That exact sauce, wow. - He went there to learn that one sauce and he went, I'll do whatever it takes, and then he had to like go, essentially like a doctoral, he had to like be tested under all these -- - Like a master, somehow. - Yeah. - So he comes back to New York, he starts running the Rector restaurant on Broadway just so he can make Diamond Jim the fish whenever he fucking wants, and I guess Diamond Jim quote, became one of the best 25 customers they ever had. - Wow, okay. - George Rector Jr., then on top of that, ended up becoming the early 1900s version of a food celebrity, or as he called himself a food representative at large, he called me too. - A food representative at large. - He introduced the country to French cuisine, he served all the celebrities of the time, he wrote books on food, he had a regular, like three times a week, CBS Radio Spot, where he talked about food. - Oh, I love that. - He lectured on food, he played himself in a movie, I'm thinking about food. - This is what I'm saying like, you gotta just follow your passions in life, you know? - Well, my passion was apparently to absolutely not talk about the front to your house today and just talk about anything else. - Exactly, and look how happy we are. - My two favorite things about George Jr., the acclaimed chef, was that he was one of the first people in the U.S. to ever talk about Fettuccine Alfredo. (laughing) He wrote about it and he was like, you gotta fuckin' hear about this. - Uh-huh. - Was it number two? - Number two is that he set out of everything he ever ate best food in the world, hot dogs. So. (laughing) I apologize to everyone who didn't want a big old rabbit hole episode today, but all of this to say, his grandpa, George, was one of the first people to run the front to your house and also foreshadowingly of the rest of his family opened a restaurant in the building. Geez, okay. Okay. So now we're back in the general history of the front to your house. It was, but not for long, don't worry. So it was a hotel that became a private home for a while. It became another hotel. It became that boarding house I mentioned. It became a different swanky restaurant. It became a museum and then a museum restaurant. Combo, which to me is like the Taco Bell, KFC Pizza Hut situation course. In 1974, it became a historical landmark, which meant we could no longer really touch it outside of renovations. And then the next year, it became a McDonald's, which is why they were not able to change much if it's appearance. So if you were to Google front to your house McDonald's, it looks like a random fucking colonial house that we're just calling McDonald's. That's so weird. So do you think it was like, they got the permit when they found out McDonald's bought it and they were like, shit, we don't want them to like tear it down? I don't know because a few sources said that the McDonald's started in 1975, which would be exactly a year later. But then other ones said that they bought it, but then it didn't open officially as a McDonald's until 1977. So for those like two or three years, it's just sat under the McDonald's license. - Okay. - So maybe they were under negotiations of how much they could touch? I don't know. - Yeah, okay, weird. It's just, I love that you're like, it's on the National Register of Historic Places and then it became at McDonald's, it's like, wait, what? - It's really weird to know how it would become the McDonald's after being on the historical landmark. - That's it, it's like, wait, they put the plaque on and they're like, now we can serve French fries here. - Oh, right, yeah, yeah. It feels like that grease will never leave. So, I don't know. - Yeah, that feels like it's own kind of, I don't know, tainting something special, but sacred, but what do I know? - What do you know, nothing. So, nothing. - By 2004, McDonald's closes. So, from the 70s to 2004, it was McDonald's. Which was a good run. It sounds like this thing was really switching hands a lot. So, this was a long one. But then for the next 10 years or so, it sat abandoned and it was just known as like the random, old house looking McDonald's. - Oh, I mean, it's gotta be weird 'cause it probably still has like this, like, creepy Ronald McDonald, like, stuff still in it. - Like, grimaces in the corner. - Yeah. - Like, you look in the window and, oh, see the hamburger, or, did you have a favorite of McDonald's friends? - I don't. - I don't think I understood what was happening. - Me either, it was all, clearly they were adults on acid. - Okay, I'm glad you say that 'cause sometimes I think it's like my weird German upbringing and I'm like, I didn't get it. - No, the point is you're not one, right? - Okay. - 'Cause I never really was like drawn to them as personal attachments, you know? - In my own personal deep dives, I might one day just look into like what the fuck was going on at Ronald's playhouse. - Yeah, what the playhouse, but it's gotta be in the right headspace, I imagine. It's gonna be a weird ride. - I remember one of them was like a little bird who kind of looked like Big Bird, but she was also a pilot, but because she wanted to be able to fly even though she was a burden couldn't fly. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? - Weird, how high were you? - And all those little smoking, dude? - Although like sentient micknuggets that were everywhere. - It's like South Park, meets like 10 children's show. It's just weird, it's all weird. Yeah, I got weird vibes from that whole thing, I don't know. - Well, yeah, I don't understand, I'm with you 100%. - I was like at least I can get behind hamburger, hamburger. Like he steals hamburgers, I get that. That's about as much as I understand. So that was always like, okay, I can get him. Like he and I belong guys, I'm like, I get your deal. - Grimmis has a weird one where he's like, it's like, he was like Ronald McDonald's imaginary friend or some shit. - Yeah, it's like dark, immediately dark, and immediately fucked up. - Sidebar, I'm kind of wondering if they are the say, if we just absolutely stole rights from McDonald's. Not you and me, but in Fredericksburg, our minor league baseball team, the Frednats, our mascot is this fugly ass purple monster, which looks like Grimmis, except uglier, so ugly. And the storyline of why we picked him when like our team is the nationals and like one of our earlier mascots was like George Washington, Yuck. They picked this purple guy and they're like, oh yeah, well that was George Washington's imaginary friend. And I'm like, as someone, the whole point of George Washington being the mascot of Fredericksburg is because George Washington grew up in Fredericksburg, I promise you, as someone who had to live in that fuck-ass town for so long, there was never, we never learned anything about him having an imaginary friend. That is not true. - They made that shit out. - They're like, we found an old leatherbound diary underneath the cherry tree. - And purple dust blew away from it and it was all about baby Grimmis. - Yeah. - And now the baby, okay, that's insane and also so funny and strange. And you know what's so weird is our high school had a mascot just called the blob and there was no reason for it, but like we were the nights, like the silver nights, but it's like why are we, but the mascot was like this blob character and nobody like knew where it came from or why. So yeah, it kind of reminds me of that. - That really is like minorly baseball rules where it's like, oh, we're called this one thing and the mascot is something so fizzucking different. - And may not ask questions. Any questions will be denied. - You'll just be disappointed. - You're never allowed to know because it's actually written by the writers of the McDonald's scarebacks for characters. - And honestly, don't even fucking talk about it because if you do Ronald McDonald, we'll find out that we stole his idea. - And you know he lives in that creepy, a big, difficult thing. And if you look in the windows and meet make eye contact, like in seven days, that's when it's all gonna go down. - I know I'm truly in hell when I'm at the frontier house and Grimmis somehow introduces me to his cousin who was also visiting George Washington at some point in the imaginary friend. (laughing) - And you, okay. All right, we're going to, yeah, we're spiraling. - Remember what I said, if we couldn't get lower than the rabbit hole I brought us to? - And I said bet, yeah. - Okay, the last real point I have is that in 2013, or around there, it switched ownership after being abandoned for 10 years before being in McDonald's. It was McDonald's, then abandoned, and then it got bought out in 2013 a few times, but the most recent update I have is that last year it became a new, swanky restaurant called Fairbanks, but then I googled it in its as temporarily closed. So I, but the yellow pictures looked spectacular. - Okay. - Okay, so now I'm gonna get into the haunted situation here, which comes with its own deep dive. - Me, me, me. - Okay, so the, who are you, Jenny Lind? (laughing) - Me, me, me. - Oh, oh my gosh. It's like she's here in the room with me right now. - I think that's, is that how you would say it in Swedish also? - Me, me. It would just have like a mouse on it. (laughing) - It's like a Swedish, like an IKEA furniture. - It's such a low blow. It's like such a fucking low blow, dude. - Low but good, every time. - Thank you. - There's only so, I don't know enough about Swedish people to have anything other than IKEA, you know? - You know, I went to Sweden and-- - I went to an IKEA in Sweden. So I feel like I've really-- - Was everything there in America? - In America, and I'm so fucking stupid in English. - I mean, you just sort of encapsulated the vibe of the entire excursion. - Okay. - You know, with my class. (laughing) So yeah, so yeah, they a little bit catered to the idiots. But no, it was anticlimactic, you know? - That's just shame. It would be funny if they were just totally making fun of us and all the furniture was just called like bed and chair. And like, in English, since we get the Swedish people. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. - Yeah, no, there's no elaborate backstory. Unfortunately, it was just meatballs been there done that in, you know, Westchester, Ohio, am I right? - Yeah, didn't even have to leave the country for that one. - Yeah, yeah, my mom had the accent, everything. It was like, I was already there. - Perfect, I, oh, well, I'll tell you after. I don't want, I'll bring this up at, yeah, be hour. But it's some remind me, Ikea, you'll know what it means. Okay. (laughing) So I'm gonna park in the stroller park. Okay, see you there. - The, okay, here's your final, I keep going to say downfall when I really mean like rabbit hole, but the fuck, this is the, some of the lures to why this place is actually haunted. Okay, despite just being like a hotel a million times. So, this involves the free mason's. Remember, I told you at one point it was a free mason mudge. - Yes. - The top floor of this, when it was the original frontier house in the original Smanky Hotel. It was used as a meeting house. I think exclusively for free masons. If not, they were still always fucking there. So something happened on this property at the frontier house. That ended up becoming part of one of the biggest events in free mason history. - Ooh. - To this day it like rocked the free masons as they were and things have never been the same. - Okay. - And it is called the Morgan affair. - So in the 1820s, I'm gonna try to do this as quickly as I can because I'm aware of how much time I've already taken from everybody as I just like encourage your brains to rot away. So, I'm just gonna say this quickly. - I'm happily melting over here. Like my brain, my brain is, so go for it. - I provide a no-go so far, I'm aware of that. In the 1820s, the free masons were a big, big deal in the US. It was not in the way that it is today. They were like, it was a very renowned prestigious the influential boards. - They have been building you to sign up. - But it was a really big deal to be in the free masons. The free masons were very thought highly of. - Right. Like very exclusive. - Very exclusive. And if you were joined the free masons, it wasn't like, oh you're like, because you're in a cult or because you're into spooky secrets and you want to know all about that. It was really like encouraged. Like, oh, if you really wanna be a man of the times, you're gonna be a free mason. - Right. So enter William Morgan, who either was a free mason and everyone forgot or desperately wanted to be a free mason who was trying to lie his way in. Depending on the story, actually really not even depending on the story, no matter which way you spin it, people seem to never fucking like William Morgan to begin with. It sounds like he had maybe a gambling issue, maybe a drinking issue. He was out there telling like crazy stories that a lot of people couldn't believe because they were so spectacular. And one of them was that like, he claimed to be a soldier in the War of 1812, but there was no evidence of that. He was like, you're gonna say, but there was no War of 18. - But the war died 40 years ago. - And I was like, wait, really? That was all a lie. It was fake. - We're all open to that effect. - Holy shit. - So like he could have been in the War, but he was saying he was a certain rank where like, if you look up like-- - So like Philan's stolen valor on every front, like he's like trying to be in the free mason's. He's trying to say he's served in the War, okay. - Exactly. And so one of the things is he said that he-- - That vibe, that vibe. - He claimed that he was a free mason, but there's very, very little evidence that proves to him actually having been a free mason. - Okay. - That doesn't mean he wasn't, like there was, he did have a shocking amount of knowledge about free mason's secrecy. - He sounds like he's kind of-- - He could have charged that information out of somebody. And also if he's, has a drinking problem, he might be constantly at a bar, where people are also drunk and spilling secrets. - He's like, he's like a slippery dude, yeah. - However, there is official evidence that he at some point at chapter 33 of the free mason's at that lodge, at the chapter 33 lodge, he did earn the royal arch degree, which apparently means you have to have earned-- - It's too much Donald. - You have to work it. - It's golden royal artists. - It's the golden royal artists. - He used to be here. (both laughing) - Only Grimmis has ever won that title. - He is the hamburger, he just stole the burger, yeah. - Oh shit! - Now that's some lore I could get. behind I'll be honest with you. That's a kid I would've eaten that shit up. - The synchronicity. It doesn't have to make sense if you say it fast enough and people move on. So, like right now, it's the gem of the way. - So okay, so there is evidence that he, like actual like free mason's confirm that somehow, even though there's no evidence that he was ever initiated, what his official lodge is and he membership status, there's no legitimacy to like an account he would be on. There's none of that. We don't know where that is. However, there is official record of him earning the royal arch degree at a chapter 33 lodge. - Okay. - Which means. - It's written in crayon though. (laughing) - It's written in squeezed ketchup. (laughing) - Just like a finger with ketchup. - I, or this, yeah. It's like, it was actually, it's a medal, but it's just a toy that came from the happy meal. (laughing) Zuma, come out. (laughing) - Stupid. - It's just like, like a chick of a dog and he's stapled to his chest. (laughing) - So, but so for him to have earned that degree in free masonry, he had to have also earned six other degrees to have even earned that one. So, it implies that somewhere he was initiated, there's just no record of it. And so people in the free mason's have even said, he must have just been a part of the laziest fucking lodge where they didn't know paperwork. - Oh, okay, okay. - But there is no doubt, that's not something that people are wavering on to my knowledge, that we know somehow he got this, but did he just charm his way in and go to a lodge and say, I see, I don't want to get haunted by this guy, so I won't go out. - I'm gonna call, yeah. - Well, one of the series is like, was he a free mason somewhere else, or was he not? And he just, he said he just moved to town and had this degree and he deserves the next one, but he has no paperwork. Like, we don't know. - We created a, right, sure, sure, sure. - So, other than there being no evidence of his membership, except for this random thing, he did have to happen to have a lot of knowledge about things that he really should have not known unless he had that degree. - Okay. - But because he already had the reputation of like crazy stories and drinking a lot and gambling a lot, he just was not trusted in town, so that made it look even less reliable. So, when he tried to open a chapter in this new area of New York that he moved to, they did open the chapter and they did not include him. They denied him because they were like, "We can't prove that you're actually a part of this." - That can't feel good, that can't feel good. - So, in retaliation, because of course, he's a scorned man. The worst thing for a man is if he's embarrassed, right? So, in retaliation, he announced that he was going to write into the local paper and expose on all the Freemason secrets he knew. Which I mean, he's had this fucking card in his pocket. I mean, he has. - He was like, "You're gonna let me in or else." - Somewhere down the line, somebody, they all had to know. They had to know, they gave away a little too much. - And Evil Twinkle as I, he had. He decided that he would be doing this because he was in cohorts with another man in town who had been wronged by the Freemasons. In his name, we're just gonna say David. He's got a long name, we're gonna calm David. He owned a printing press. And so, I guess they, oh shit. - They tagged he got to be friends with David. - David was like, "I could publish anything you fucking want 'cause I have a printing press." - Yeah, it's like the friend with a pickup truck, but the one with the printing press. - Exactly. Well, the only truck in town is already in a traffic jam from that other guy. - Oh fuck, it already crashed and burned and we're waiting for AAA. - So, if they were actually Freemasons, which I do think David was like a first degree or whatever and then he had a bad reputation too, so they kicked him out. - So, but in the event they were not really Freemasons, they, you know, they still were threatening enough that people didn't want to find out that they might be calling a bluff or that they might be bluffing. If they were Freemasons, they were breaking their oaths of secrecy and loyalty to the brotherhood. So that was also bad. So no matter what, the Freemasons were pissed and remember the Freemasons were very influential, important people in town at this point and everybody respected them. It wasn't like, oh, the President is a Freemason of this is shady. Like it wasn't shady. - Right. It was like if you were Freemason, people respected you more. - Oh, I have a picture of me at the Freemason Lodge here in Newport on the like big throne thing. - Beautiful. - My mom dared me to ask and I said no. And then she said, I'll do it. And I was like, please don't and she did it anyway. And we sat on it and took a picture and we were the only ones who, they didn't open house for some reason and we were the only ones who went in. - I mean, well, if you're gonna do an open house, I have to expect people are gonna sit on things. I don't know what to tell you. - I kind of was like, we were like, before they question us, let's just do it. So I have this nice picture of us all like sitting on it awkwardly. My brother was dying inside, but anyway. - I'm still very jealous of your shirt. I think it's your sweatshirt that's also Freemasons. Is this got a shirt or something? - I think I got rid of that. - Oh, that was such a good sweatshirt. - I was asking about it and I was like, I don't know what this means. Please don't talk to me. - Did you think it was stolen valor? - They thought it was stolen valor. I was like, this is just a cozy sweatshirt from Goodwill, but people were like, oh, you know, or whatever. Or they would be like, how did you get that? How did you get that? I was like, they were selling a hundred of them at Goodwill for like $2 each. They were like, over stocks. - I love that touch stocks. That was a good one. - They're probably still at the Goodwill in Coriville, if you want me to check. - Well, okay, so the Freemasons freak out because they could know something. We don't know for sure. So they decide to react by beating William Morgan to the papers and denouncing him and being like, whatever he's got on us, like it's not true, don't listen to him. He's a drunkard, you know, don't listen to him. And then they also tried to break into David's house and destroy his printing press. - Noah! - And then they got their Freemason cop friends involved. And William Morgan was immediately arrested for stealing a shirt and tie. He cannot confirm if he actually did that. And also for not paying a loan back in time. Which in hindsight was probably just a ploy to keep delaying him from posting him. Like just keep him in jail because if you hadn't paid a loan then you had to stay in like restitution jail or something. I don't totally understand. But it was some strategy of like, well, he's stuck here until he can pay it. - Like a technicality type thing. - Yes, yes. But David with a still fully functioning printing press bailed his friend out. And very shortly though, William Morgan was arrested again. And only after one day in jail he was apparently according to witnesses that were all about this jail locked up. They watched him get pulled out of his cell and he disappeared into a wagon and was never found again. - Fanny! - What in the fucking Rapunzel, like this like weird fairytale rumpal stilt skin bullshit, like this guy is trouble. Fanny the fire is even more after his disappearance. David was like, don't you do that to my fucking friend. And he published the expose anyway. And it became a, if newspapers could become national bestsellers this one did. People were like eating this shit up. They were like, I don't know about the free racists. Wow. Immediately people started wondering and assuming that maybe the Freemasons weren't as good as we thought. And maybe they committed some sort of foul play. And this was the beginning of the anti-musonic witch hunt. - Oh, I see. - I feel like I've heard of this on like lore or one of those shows where it was like how this, I forgot. I remember the guy with the printing press was all part of the problem, but I didn't remember the details. - Yeah. - This is the beginning of the Freemasons being a shady little group that we don't trust this very day. - They really got in it with that one, didn't they? They really got in it, yeah. - Between a, this was also like historically at a time where there had just been a recent recession. So everyone's extra suffering and they're really noticing just how many wealthy people are out there not suffering and how convenient it is that all of them are Freemasons. And this is during a turn of the century, not turn of the century, a revival and Christianity in some degree. So the mysticism and esoteric rituals in the Freemasons world are kind of freaking them out to begin with. So they were, right, right. And they were already kind of looking sideways at the Freemasons. So this was just another reason to judge them of like my Christian beliefs say this is kind of fucked up. We're in a recession and you all have a lot of fucking money I don't know where and now a guy is missing because you didn't want him telling on your secrets. And so over time, on top of this, even more confessions came out, these were all rumored confessions. There's no official confirmed confession. But a bunch of people for some reason started saying that they were the Freemasons that had killed William Morgan. I don't know if that was, oh my God. Just because they needed the attention or anything, but they were their January 6th too. Meanwhile, other Freemasons were, they were out there like the ones that were in political power that didn't want their reputation ruined. They were almost going against the Freemasons being like, let's have a search party and you're rewarded if you find them, but then people were coming back being like, we know you killed them and you're not gonna have to pay any of us like you're trying to cover your own ass. - Right, like you're just trying to look, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So in a report that's taken the most seriously, I think it's called the Lewis and Report 'cause we're near Lewis and New York. People at the jail witnessed him being dragged out of the cell. Again, this is all alleged, but this is the one that's taken most seriously. And I think was used in court when they were trying some of these people to get information out of them. Others allegedly confessed to bringing him to being in the wagon and dragging him out of the jail. Whenever someone was asked where they brought him, they say the first stop was the frontier house. So that's how this is all connected and why it's a part of this history. Holy shit. So the official unofficial story is that they grabbed him out of the cell after a 24-hour period of him being locked in to confirm that he was really there and people witnessed him. Then they dragged him out and they kept him imprisoned at the frontier house for several days until they figured out what their next move was gonna be because they had their eyes on Fort Niagara which was an abandoned military facility. Oh, it was on the way there. So they kept them at the frontier house and apparently those were his last days where I'm sure they were like being the crap out of him being like you have one more chance. Don't expose us, don't expose us, blah blah blah. Even though they'd already been exposed. But maybe they could get him to like denounce it in some way. - Yeah. - I guess he held firm or maybe they never gave him a chance at all. And that was the last place that anyone says that they ever saw him before he got brought to Fort Niagara. - Geez. - Once he was moved from the frontier-- - It's a lore, holy shit. - Yeah. Once he was moved from the frontier house, many people say that the Freemasons in like a group all killed him. Some say that no, we didn't kill him. We just brought him to the Canadian border and forced him to leave the country without any papers. - They put him out. - Yeah, so you can come back. But as this is all happening, people know that he's missing. They can't find him. They're reading the exposé. And then a body is found on Lake Ontario, right where Morgan allegedly disappeared. - Oh boy, oh boy. - We still don't know to this day if it was him. It probably wasn't him because I think William Morgan was bald and this guy had hair. But then there's all these stories about like, "Well, no, they put a wig on him." Like it got crazy. - Okay, okay, okay. - This led people to double down on their distrust of the Freemasons and this helped form the official anti-Masonic political party, which was the first ever time that the US had three political parties that were all considered equal instead of two. - Holy crap. - And this third political party, the anti-Masons, I guess is what they call themselves. Their biggest enemy was a Freemason who was running for president named Andrew Jackson. (gasps) And when he became president, it pissed off even more people because it confirmed for them that these secret, wealthy people had power, they were unaware of and they were taking over the world. - Yes, yes, yes. - Wow. - So I know this was a deep rabbit hole. - Oh my gosh, I feel like I'm 10 times smarter than I was an hour ago. - This is probably the most important of the rabbit holes we've done today, but it's basically to let you know that in Freemason history, this is what tanked Freemason's reputation forever. Logges everywhere close. People were encouraged by their churches to leave. Like, oh, this is satanic shit you're doing. In that one year, in the country, there were almost 250 lodges and by the end of the year, there were only 40 because so many people had either been coerced to leave or forced to leave or they didn't trust their own friends. So many people were joining this party in this movement. They all ended up anyone who stayed, those 40 lodges that still existed by the end. They had a meeting to try to figure out how to do damage control 'cause they were like, we only have 40 lodges left. Like, we're about to not exist. And so they ended up deciding that they were going to leave behind their secret, ritual, symbolic mysticism and they were going to rebrand as a fraternal charity organization. Okay. A lot of people, especially people who appreciated the old esoteric history of this place. They think it was absolutely a sell-it and they were placating the Christians. But other people were like, it was either, we have zero lodges or 40 lodges. And if this was how we came in, you know. But then that did turn around their brand for a while 'cause they only had 40 lodges in. They have a lot more now and they decided to focus on leading with Christian values. And now you can't even join unless you believe in a God and all this stuff. So, oh wow, yeah. So the last thing I'll say about this deep dive is that fun fact, William Morgan's alleged kidnapping, alleged kidnapping, whatever, his disappearance that we all think was a kidnapping. His wagon ride. His wagon ride to nowhere. To the Niagara Falls, the last place you would have eaten on a fucking midnight wagon ride too. Out from jail. In a barrel, maybe. I made that part up, guys. I mean, there's no evidence that there was not a barrel. Thank you so much. And that's how I do journalism too. Boots on the ground with your degree and everything. So, yep. This is the last fun fact is that William Morgan's alleged kidnapping led to kidnapping becoming an official felony, which is at the time at least punishable by, there's a quote, punishable by imprisonment, not exceeding 14 years. But before that kidnapping wasn't even a felony, you could just take whoever you wanted. Honestly, I was gonna be surprised and then I was like actually most of the stories feel like that's true. Yeah, like the way you could just drive a car into a building and nobody really cared or like kill a bunch of horses on your drive because you're the only one in New York with a car. And it's like, oh, well, we never had a law for that. So yeah, I guess it's not that shocking. But wow. Well, so now this is super quick, but the reason why the Frontier House is considered haunted and why it is the haunted McDonald's that everyone talks about, even though McDonald's is the least interesting thing about it, is that many say the main ghost here is William Morgan because his last moments of real life and energy were in his house. It was like the second location, you know, yes, yes, yeah. The residual energy of right before he passed, they say. It's thought that he is the head ghost in charge here, the HBIC headbitch in charge. He would be. But could I just have a fucking spider on my leg? I literally almost became Spider-Man and screamed at the same time. That was crazy. Oh, M G. I just felt that you become Spider-Man and scream at the same time. That's crazy. I felt the, ugh. Okay, ugh. People have seen shadows of people rocking around the building, especially the silhouette of a woman, but people have also seen an older man hanging out in the pantry, which makes me think it's Diamond Gym and not this Morgan guy. Oh, yeah. He's looking for more terrapin' yum yum. Where are the turtles? So people say that doors and windows open and closed on their own, people here unexplained banging sounds. There are apparitions throughout the building and during renovations, especially in the '70s, when it was becoming a McDonald's, the tools would go missing all the time. And it said that one of the ghosts here might be not just William Morgan, but maybe when they were building it originally, maybe during renovations, I'm not sure. There was allegedly a worker who was working at the very tippy top floor and somehow fell all the way down to the basement. Oh shit. Which makes me think it was early, early on, unless he fell outside the building. But to cover up this death or the osha violation that that was, the other two workers there took his body and to hide the evidence of what happened, they buried him inside the walls of the building. What? This is where I will say that in renovation sense, nobody's ever found bodies of the building. Oh, they're in the walls, but yet, just that we know, if they haven't opened every wall. Two quotes from two different owners have one of the owners have said, have I seen the ghosts? Not really, but have I heard them? Yes, sounds and screeches. There's been certain things and times that I've heard noises and doors moving. Another staff member has said, while working here, I have to say we've heard bumps in the night and because it's our second year here, we just keep working and going about our business, but it's certainly not a quiet building and it does have its own voice, if you will. Because of its haunted status, it has also become a Halloween jump scare attraction. However, all the proceeds and the props, the props are made, let me, how do I say this? The props are made by and the proceeds go to artists with disabilities. Oh, cool. I'm so sorry, that was so, so long, but that is the frontier house. Wow, I mean, I never thought a haunted McDonald's would get so. I thought that was gonna be the easiest fucking notes I've ever done in my life, so I didn't start until 11 o'clock in my Christine. I was up all night, oh fuck, all night. I thought, this will be a paragraph, how am I gonna stretch this and it just kept going? Oh God, help me. Anyway, yeah, be hour? Yeah, be hour. Sports bras used to be the bane of my existence and Honey Love really helped me figure that out. Not intentionally, but they sent us some product and I thought, well, I gotta try this out. 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So please support our show until them that we sent you, experience the new standard in comfort and support with Honey Love. - Today, I have a story for you. This is a story of Angela Green. In mid-February of 2020, a phone call came into the police department of Prairie Village, a suburb of Kansas City, Kansas. On the line was Michelle Guo, who lived in New York. She was requesting police to a wellness check on her aunt, Angela Green. Angela was her mom's sister, so her mom was Catherine, and they lived in New York. And Catherine and Angela had grown up in northern China, where Angela had studied journalism and worked in modeling. And then when her sister, Catherine, married an American man and began a family in Kansas, Angela eventually followed, and they both started families in the US. She was introduced by family friends to a guy named Jeff Green, and you need to understand Jeff has spelled G-Off, like the giraffe, and like the poister, and like, that was their college professor. Both of us, we weren't even friends yet, and both of us loved him. We were both really obsessed with him. Thank you. Okay, I thought you hated him. No, I loved him. Oh, thank you, because you and I were the only people who were like nice to him, and I remember being like, "What is everyone's fucking profloved in this guy?" Do you know everyone? I was so jazz that he had a memory card in the shape of a camera. Yes! Oh, and I was so jazz when he's like, "I studied to be an arborist, and now I'm here, and I was like, this guy's fucking weird." He was like, "I don't know." He had something go, "I don't know what is he doing with us, but he. " I mean, he had a whole documentary about him. It was my final project, was like the cat story, where like, it was like his weird ass story that he told on the first day of like, "Oh, this cat is going to die, but then he forgot the plot." And it's like, and then the cat, and we were like, "What happened to the cat?" And he's like, "I think it died, but I don't remember." And we were like, "What the fuck is this story?" You're trying to teach us something. He was such a weird guy, but in a way, like, where you just wanted, you just, it was the intrigue. He knew what he was doing. So, and he knew, and like, he watched that film, and he was like, "He must have thought you were going to give this in A." And we were like, and we were just such a weird ass. So I saw him out walking around in Boston with his wife, and it was like a celebrity sighting. You did? I did. I never saw him outside of school. I would have freaked out. Yeah. I remember when I tried to tell my friend, my friend Mohammed, I was like, "Some Mohammed, here's my idea. We're going to make this weird video about our professor." And he was like, "What about a dead cat?" Yeah. I'm going to play the dead cat, which I did. And I was like, "And you're going to play our professor, Jeffrey Poester, so wear this blonde wig." And poor Mohammed was so nice. He's like, "I'm just trying to, like, you know, bring children's television back to Afghanistan, but sure, Christine, whatever your fuck-ass idea is about making a film where you're a dead cat, and you get to, like, a play in the road of Boston anyway. It was insane. But let's not forget your other fucking slam donk of a film where you were also dead. What's your mind? Yeah. You love being dead. What's your deal? I was meant to be a fucking Scorpio. It's like I can't escape it. It was literally, I made, I made plays, like, cry at a grave. And then it was so embarrassing because I realized later, like, the grave was from, like, 1680. Yeah, it looked like I had died, and, like, he was worshiping a Victorian ghost. I remember, I made him walk into a Trader Joe's and I filmed him going down the escalator. It was to bring flowers, you know? And then I put Alt J, like, just an Alt J song underneath the entire video. And our professor was like, "You can't just make a music." You can't just, like, not have sound and just put a music video. So he gave me a "B" on it, and then I removed the music and he gave me an "A." But I need you to remember in the chronology of everything, that was my very, ever-first impression of Blaze. Because I didn't fucking- I didn't mean it. You're like, "This fucking girl isn't making this video, and then I'm making everybody watch it in class." You know what my first impression was of that project? Do you know what my first impression was? What? What? It was fucking great. Thank you. I thought it was so good. And I remember- I still have it somewhere. It's hidden. Of course. It was on- it was somewhere. I have not seen it recently, but I remember a few years ago going, "How did I find this?" I think it was- did you have it on a YouTube situation? It must be an unlisted YouTube video. I got to find that. It's like so sick because I literally, you're right. I literally made Blaze walk around and look at a phone where it was like me on the screen. And you were fucking- It's five me, five me. You're like, "Okay, Blaze, first of all." I'm like, "Oh my god." This was good. You were long distance. So he came in for a hot weekend for you to go, "Okay, I need you to like, longingly look at a picture of me, and then by me flowers, which you'll actually give me in real life too after this. And then I need you to think about crying because I'm dead. And I need you to come with me to a cemetery and think about how dead I am. And then I'm going to film it and also- all Jay's there. But I'm going to get it back. So I know the perfect soundtracks in this. I've also planned this since I was 16, so I actually have the soundtracks ready to go. And also when I am dead, I'm going to need you to play this on my funeral. I'm just trying to love as much of it as possible. And honestly, Jeffery Poison gave me an A, and I'm still feeling like it was one of my magnum opuses. I've had many, of course. Christine, I'm not kidding. I didn't know you. I would smoke. The fact that that was the first fuck-ass impression I made, I can't. I mean, I remember the first day meeting you. And then I don't remember anything about you except for projects because they were so moving. But moving is a really generous word. I don't think most people called it that. I remember that one. I remember that one. I kind of remember the cat. I was more locked in with the blaze one because you really did a good job. I was a plot twist. You didn't know that you were dead at the end. You thought you were just going on a date, but then he was at the graveyard. Thank you. Oh. I really thought I'm not kidding. I always thought that was a great one. Thank you so much. You really just know how to hype me up, man. But obviously the best, you know, which one's my favorite. Girl, don't do this to me. Are frickin. We didn't know each other yet. Grave? Like, first of all, always in the graveyard. Always in the graveyard. But like, what is. Yeah, what's wrong with you? You're always. What is someone's always dead, isn't there? You know, this is always participating in a graveyard at some point. I have no idea where that would even be. But like, the fact that we didn't know each other, we maybe said five sentences, we got lumped into a project with each other and didn't know each other. I remember we had to do a project about anything and we. This is the first time we ever really talked. And I was like, "Well, what do we do?" And you're like, "I don't know what. Like, should we. We should talk about ourselves so we know like what our interests are and see if we find anything." And I said something about ghosts and you went, "Okay, let's just. We'll go to the graveyard. We'll go and really go to my last project." [laughter] Hey, it's where I was buried for our last project. It's where. Yeah, it's where tears were shed over my untimely demise. And we're like 22 years old and I'm carrying around an EMF detector and telling you how equipment works and we're. Go sewing. And it's really crazy because we didn't know each other. We took us years to put that together that we had done that. And I remember thinking like, "I just scored the jackpot. I got matched with someone who does ghost hunts. That's crazy." And then we didn't speak for another like three years. And then we were both like, "No thanks." [laughter] But like, what a foreshadowing. That's like. That truly is so fucking bizarre. That is. That is. I bet you. It's somewhere. Yeah. It's really weird. That's really weird. It says, "Sarang Christine, she for an Emily Shultz with long hair." [laughter] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We've got to. We've got to move past that part. Yeah. We can fix that in post. We'll fix that in post. No, that's. I mean, just what are the odds? What a full circle. But. I mean, I almost died in some of these projects. And I remember just like carrying tripods around and getting like almost hit by cars and like being an idiot and like doing things like carrying cameras into like bodegas and being like told like, "Get the fuck out." Yes. And I'm like, "What am I doing? Just being an idiot." I had a project like that with our friend Matt and I remember being kicked out of a few gas stations. Yeah, they don't like that for obvious reasons. But like. Oopsie Daisy. Yeah. You know. Okay. His name was Jeff with a name. That's. Okay, that's how we got here, okay. Need I say more? Okay. Okay. So, she was introduced. I mean. Jeff Green. G-Off. Jeff Green. Okay. A businessman. Of course. A busy businessman. Who told her he was in his mid-30s, but turns out she found out right before her wedding actually was 46. Oh. And ended up being 16 years older than her. So she was blatantly lied to, but despite being found crying her entire wedding day, she went through with the marriage, and they wed in 1998, and she was able to move to Kansas to live with Jeff near her sister, Catherine, and Catherine's family. So for a while, Angela was extremely close with her niece, Michelle. She would go on little adventures together, but in 2004, Catherine and her daughter moved to New York. So, Angela was left in Kansas with Jeff and her own daughter, four-year-old Ellie. And when Ellie had been born, she had become Angela's entire world. Angela basically became kind of consumed by being her mother and basically didn't talk much to the rest of the family. She focused almost completely on Ellie. How we fast forward to 2019, Ellie is 19 years old, and she gives her aunt Catherine in New York a distressing call to say she's worried about her mom. And this prompts Michelle, who is Ellie's cousin, sorry, it's kind of confusing, but Angela and Catherine are the sisters who worked from China and then Michelle and Ellie are the cousins. So Michelle is like, you know, I'm going to call the police back in Kansas and have them do a wellness check on my aunt, Angela. Okay. So police visit the residence in Prairie Village. Angela wasn't home, but her husband Jeff told police that she was out with friends and she was just fine and he couldn't imagine why somebody would be concerned enough to send police to their home. So the police are like, all right. So they head back and they follow up with Michelle and say, hey, there's nothing to worry about your your aunt is just out with friends. And they were going to drop the issue, but Michelle's heart sank because she knew her uncle was lying. Jeff had told his own daughter, Ellie, that Angela had died in July of 2019 and no one had seen her in eight months. Geez. Oh my god. So in June 2019, Ellie was 19 years old and she just finished her first year of college. She was excited about her summer plans, which included a job and a boyfriend, but her mom was getting really, really anxious because Ellie had been gone for two months studying abroad and Angela, like I said, had kind of motherhood was her whole thing and being Ellie's mom was her whole thing. So when she left for months at a time, she really struggled. Ellie and her mom were also extremely close because Angela wasn't very confident in her English speaking skills and had raised Ellie to speak fluent Mandarin. So they spoke she spoke mostly with her daughter. Like that was a person she spoke the most with and was the closest with. So when she left for college and had plans and had a boyfriend and was moving abroad and studying, it was really hard for her. Angela had had a hard time adjusting to life in Kansas at first, but when Ellie was born, it was like everything was finally like she had a purpose. Yeah. When her sister moved to New York, Angela became even more isolated. And so every now and then her neighbors would see her outside, like tending to the garden or taking care of flowers in the like local public areas. But she rarely spoke to the neighbors. She wasn't she was very shy, very introverted. And it seemed like her whole world was just her house, her gardens, the grocery store, and that's kind of it. Okay. So it became harder for her when Ellie moved out and started an independent life. Ellie thrived her freshman year. She went to University of Kansas while Angela, you know, really struggled with the adjustment, feeling very isolated and alone. But that wasn't the only thing troubling Angela. She struggled with anxiety and unpredictable moods throughout Ellie's childhood. Ellie even said that her mom was increasingly upset. She's never been able to figure out why and she probably never will. She is okay. So she's really she's been gone through it. I think she was hiding her struggles for a long time. But despite all the struggles, they still had a lot of love between them. Ellie was had that struggle with a strict parent growing up and then kind of turned around to be thankful for the strictness if that makes sense. And said she was thankful for for how strict her mother had been about school and grades. And she also said she felt like she was her parents main focus, even her father Jeff's like she was close with him as well. And she thought her parents loved each other and that they were happy. But now looking back, she realizes like their life was solely built around her. And when she left for college, it was like they didn't have anything in common to hold it together. And the crack started to show. Do you think on I don't know if there's any evidence of this, but before she left, did they seem happy at all or like even friends and like they were like we're just doing this until she goes to college or I think there was always kind of not based on love. He was kind of always just a little bit of independent. Okay. From what I can understand, I don't really know the details, but it didn't seem like things were, it seemed like the focus was just on her. Okay. And kind of given her one right exactly. And that was kind of the only thing touched on. So on June 19, 2019, Ellie and her mom had an argument. Ellie was often out of the house working or having fun. And like I said, this was hard on her mom. So during this fight, Angela threw some of her Ellie's stuff on the ground and said, if you're not going to be home, you can just leave and live somewhere else. So Ellie packed up and headed to stay the night with her boyfriend, Zack Kraus at his parents house. She knew her mom would cool down. She always did. And she was like she'll call me in a few hours or a day or two and ask her to come home. So Ellie actually thought like I'll probably come home tonight. Honestly, like I probably won't even end up staying the night. A few days later though, her dad texts her and the text says mom is getting mental health care and I'm at home beginning to organize. Come home at any time front door is open. I'm going to need help going through mom's things. Oh, that doesn't sound like a normal thing to say. No. That's like not even the way you would send that text. No, right? That's weird on every fucking reason is weird. It's like it's all the way he talks is weird. I've heard phone calls with this guy. It's fucking weird. Is it an accent that I don't know about before I just like rip him up? Sure isn't. G off is just something is just that kind of guy because even just to say like how like that how casual it's be like, oh mom's having a mental health crisis. And then also come home when you get a chance to come home. I'm organizing. It's like organizing. You're not going to give me you must know I need more context. So and what like the way you're reacting is how is how Ellie reacted. Okay. She was like what the what the hell are you talking about? Like she she wasn't like, oh this is normal behavior from my dad. She was like, this is out of the ordinary something alarming is happening. I recently was just in Florida with my mom and I brought NutriFull with me. On day one, that bag of my NutriFull supplements went missing and I crept on over to my mom's side of the room. And all of a sudden that bag was in her suitcase and I went, what are you doing with these? And she sold things and she literally assumed on her own. She went, oh I thought I thought you were gifting them to me. I thought you brought them all the way here so I could have them and I went, what is what? I looked through your suitcase to decide what you brought for me. She went shopping in my suitcase and the only thing she grabbed was NutriFull and chocolate was in there too by the way. Well, look, you can even look at me over here. I will put my head down. I don't even have to worry about my thinning hair that I was so insecure about before. I don't know. I don't worry about anymore. Just flip that thing around. So Linda, I would go through the suitcase and take it to. I think you're onto something. NutriFull is the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement brand and it's the number one hair growth supplement brand personally used by dermatologists. NutriFull's hair growth supplements are peer reviewed and I've certified for sport and clinically tested. Let your hair be one less thing to worry about. See visibly thicker, stronger, faster growing hair in three to six months with NutriFull or see it on your mom's head from the other side of the room. For a limited time, NutriFull is offering our listeners $10 off your first month subscription and free shipping when you visit NutriFull.com and enter promo code drink. That's NutriFull.com spelled N-U-T-R-A-F-O-L.com promo code drink. So he tells her Angela had been hospitalized for a psychiatric crisis and Ellie was completely shocked and blindsided. Like she said, her mom was like sometimes sad about things but never like you know, never had any outbursts or incidents, anything like that. So she asked where her mom was staying so she could visit, but Jeff was like, it's just not safe. It's not safe. I feel like are you fucking kidding? Yeah. Where's my mom? Where's my mom? What happened? What did she do? What happened? Did someone hurt her? How bad could it be from her to have gone from never having a crisis? A sign of anything? Having apparently you're treating this like she snapped overnight. It cannot be that bad where I can't call my mom and just tell her I know what's going on or text her or something. Yeah, exactly. So she's completely shocked and she's like, well, can I visit her? And he goes, no, no, no. Actually, I already visited her and it's all fine. Don't worry about it. I feel like I'm obviously this is in hindsight and recovering something that has already happened. I feel like if this were a movie, my first response would be like, I'm leaving right now. I'm not even saying here because what the-- you're acting just as fucking weird as she might be acting. This is so, so shady. So he tells her to come home and help him sort through her mom's stuff. And she's like, I guess, right? Because she's off at college. So he says, um, yeah, come on. And she comes and he says, okay, we're going to have to clean up the house. We we want to hang up photos of Angela. We want to make sure it looks welcoming and supportive for when she eventually gets back wrong. And so when the police comes, she looks like it looks like a loving family. No, correct. I'm not. Don't need it. He made Ellie do bizarre things like get rid of almost all of Angela's clothes, which made Ellie really anxious because like she knew her mom would be so upset to come home and find all of her stuff gone and her clothes just like tossed. And she still didn't know where her mom was. Like she's 19. She's like, what's her treatment plan? Like what's going on? And she is frustrated, but anytime she asks, like her dad says he's not willing to talk about it. And also like she was raised to be so obedient of her parents that it was sort of like she trusted her dad. It was like she she just trusted that he He would do what was best for her, 'cause why wouldn't she? And so it was like, she just was frustrated, but was like, I guess I'll all, yeah. - And see what happens. - Poor girl. - And I'm assuming, nothing, I mean, not even assuming. It's clear nothing has ever happened to this level before. So like she wouldn't even, no. - Like of course, she would just listen to your dad and not be like freaked out that he's completely devoid of reality, and seems like just like acting totally off-kilter. - Yeah, and you'd be like, I guess, you know, something I don't. - But getting rid of all of her clothes, I'd be like. - I feel like my first time would be like, well, I'll just put them in a suitcase in case she wants them later. But then like that would have also been, like you might have gotten yourself in trouble, you might have been like, no, you can't have that throwaway, throwaway, throwaway, throwaway. And then been like. - Well, yeah, I mean, if she's supposed to do as, you know, be says, and she's like, okay. - So well. - And she trusted him, like she loved her dad. They were really close. So there's no reason for her to question him. It's just so strange. But like, he wouldn't answer any of her questions, and she couldn't understand like why she would ever need such intense inpatient care. She could think back to times her mom was anxious in childhood, but she said, I knew she acted a little weird, but I didn't know it was to the extent where she needed to be taken away. - Uh-huh. - So on July 16th, Angela had allegedly been hospitalized for nearly a month. Jeff texted Ellie and told her, there's something I need to tell you. - Ugh. - Oh my God. Oh my God. - Okay. - At around, oh yeah, nightmare, at around 11 o'clock at night, he drove to her boyfriend's house, Zack's house, the crowd says, where she was saying, Ellie met him out in the driveway. He told Ellie, her mom had died that day in the hospital of a stroke. She was 51 years old. Ellie collapsed to her knees in the driveway. Jeff got back in his car and drove away, leaving Ellie alone on the ground. - Hello. - Yep. - Yep. You just told your baby that her mom's dead and you just zoom on. - And we're supposed to look like every, okay, here's the better question. Does he think he's getting away with seeming normal? Because that can't, he can't fucking know. - He can't function. - Nothing, nothing weird to see over here that I don't fucking care that I just destroyed my child's heart. - Yeah, I mean, I think he literally just don't care. - Insane. - It's really wild. It's really wild. So he just drives away, literally drives away. So Zack comes out and like has to tell his parents, like, hey, my girlfriend's dad just stopped by and said her mom died and then drove away. - If I were those parents, I'd be like, now, have to hear it like this. - Yeah, no, literally, that's what happened. Like, his mom Sarah said, Ellie came back inside like a shell of herself and the next day they asked Jeff over for lunch to speak with Ellie and see what they could do next and like give her some information and closure. But Jeff completely shut down any discussion. He said he refused to speak about Angela. He wouldn't discuss a funeral or memorial service or even what would happen to her body. And every time Ellie tried to broach the topic that her mom died apparently 24 hours ago, Jeff told her he was too upset to talk about it. - Ew, I mean, so yeah, Sarah is in the awkward position where she's like, this is really private and awkward, but also, what else can I do? Like, I can't intervene here. So from then on, Jeff just refused to talk at all about Angela and Ellie was supposed to just move on with her life. She even recalled, quote, I didn't want to ask him a ton of questions and offend him while he was grieving. So she just went with it basically. She returned that autumn to school and she sought therapist and psychiatrist and tried to navigate grief without sort of any information and being so close with her mom, like this was her worst nightmare. Worst than that was she was dealing with it on her own. Her dad had actually told her that this was a private piece of information and she was not allowed to tell Catherine, her aunt or Michelle, her cousin. - Are you fucking kidding me? Is she basically was alone with this? So Angela's sister didn't know Angela was dead and he basically said you can't tell them until the time is right. - The time is right. - It's right. - I mean, oh my God. And knowing that she was so ready to just obey and listen to her dad. And also like, I'm assuming if she's not thinking he's acting weird or if she's aware that he's acting weird. - She's acting weird, but she also really trusts and loves him, right? So she's like really confused. - But for her to still, on top of worst day of your life, finding out your mom's dead, being able to still find sympathy for him and how he's treating you right now, which is horse shit. Like, I mean, yeah, that's the way it goes. Like, oh, I wanna make sure everyone else feels okay. I mean, I'm like just sick. - What a heart. - Yeah, horrible. And she just had to rely on herself. I mean, I'm glad she at least had the boyfriend's family to seem like they were at least a safe home, you know, for her. So finally, she couldn't wait any longer. She called her aunt. I mean, they hadn't spoken, they only spoke a few times a year so it wasn't like weird that she hadn't been talking to her. But she just eventually called and was like, I have to tell you something. I have to tell you that Angela died on the sixth, and she said, went on the 16th and Catherine was like, but it's only the 14th of February. And she's like, no, she died on the 16th of July months ago. So she's been like just holding on to this for eight months. - Oh my God. - With any, and her dad's just like, move on. - Oh my God, oh my God. - Catherine was like, we, what? I don't know what to do. And Ellie was like, I don't either and I have no information. So Catherine's daughter, Michelle, Ellie's cousin calls Ellie and asks for the details, which are few and far between. Ellie was like, here's what Jeff told, here's what my dad told me about how my mom was taken to the hospital. He told her that he and some mental health professionals had surprised Angela in the grocery store parking lot and forcibly transported her to a psychiatric hospital. - That doesn't make him look good at all. - And she struggled when they took her. - Oh my God. - But Michelle was an attorney and was like, that's not a thing. You don't just, that's not, what do you mean? He and some mental health professionals ambushed her into parking lot. That's not a thing. - I was gonna say, it's a made up story. - You, I think you just did it for me anyway, but I was gonna say, would you mind letting me know where in the story people start sideying him being like, he clearly fucking killed her? - I mean, I think at this point, they're like something shady is immediately up because Michelle is an attorney and she's like, no, no, no, no, no. Like the, Angela can take, be taken into, this isn't like 1850. Like Angela would need to be taken into custody and hospitalized by court order issued by a judge. Like you can't just like drag someone from a grocery store parking lot. It doesn't make any sense. Ellie meanwhiles halfway through her sophomore year, living at school in Lawrence, Kansas, shout out. We did a show there. Michelle told Ellie to drive to Topeka and get a copy of Angela's death certificate. So they could find out like where she died, how and who signed off on it. So Ellie drove there and they were like, we don't have a death certificate. - Oh my God. - Michelle believed that meant one of three things. Either Angela died in another state. Angela was still alive or nobody was notified of her death. The authorities were not notified. So Ellie drove, so not something fishy. Ellie drove home to Prairie Hills and asked her dad, which is where her dad lived and asked him where her mother died and he said, Kansas. She said, no, he didn't. I just went up there and there was no births or no death certificate. - That's bold. - So he said, well, I thought she died in Kansas, but maybe I'm wrong. And he said he would have to find out. It could be Missouri, he didn't remember. And they do share that border, okay, but that's not right. So Michelle's like, this is shady as shit. This is when she calls in the wellness check on her aunt Angela. This is where this domino starts going. So police arrive at the home, Jeff tells them, oh, she's out with friends and police were like, well, we were told Angela's dead and Jeff said, I don't understand why anyone would say that. She is perfectly alive and well. And it's like, you've been telling your daughter eight months now that she's dead and that this death need to be kept a secret. Now, you're like, she's out with friends. And it's like, first of all, she didn't even have friends. That was part of the whole thing she was struggling with. Like, what are you talking about? - Name them. - So this was like, literally, this was a final straw because Michelle was like, this is not it. Something's wrong. So Ellie went to the police department, filed a missing persons report for her mother. While she is at the police station filing the report, her phone rings and it's her dad. So they say, put it on speaker, we're gonna record it. And you can hear the recording online. - Hell yeah, brother. - Of course, he's immediately changing his story again. He'd previously told this like crazy grocery store parking lot abduction story. This time he said he was at work in June when he received a phone call that Angela had been hospitalized and that he wouldn't be able to see here for a week. So Ellie was like, okay, we'll wear. And he said, well. Well, that's what I need to see if I can find out. And it's like, didn't you visit her? Remember, he said he visited her already. Jeff said over the phone that he'd gotten a call from the hospital that Katherine had died, and then that somebody showed up at the front door to sell him the urn. What the fuck? He has to know that he sounds like a fucking idiot. And she goes, how much did you pay for? And he goes $1,500, which is about the right price. And it's like, what? And so then, when Ellie asks where the urn is, he says he had, he, he has in the house, but he had recently opened it, and it's the darnedest thing it was empty. Like he had like, I'm like, it's like the, the, the irony is like, I would love to take him to a supermarket and have a bunch of health professionals jump him and bring him into a truck. Right. Do you, do you really think he's, he, I mean, honestly, like, like, I think he's just such a, as he's like, he's just that, he's gonna get away with it. I don't know. Is he that conceited or is he panicking and just doesn't have a good story? I honestly don't know. That's crazy. So when, and by the way, this is, it was a red and black urn, which were her favorite colors, Angela's favorite colors. And when, apparently when Ellie or Michelle, one of them Googled red and black urn, it was like the first friggin' shopping link on Google. And it's like, so he clearly just ordered it on the internet and then pretended like literally to show up the next time to that. I thought, why would you even, why would you even come up with someone came to the door? Why would you just say, I bought an Amazon, like, that's so weird. And even on the phone call she goes, Dad, you would never just pay $1,500 to some salesman in cash. I know you. That's enough. You're so frugal. You're talking about, I don't believe you. In your Amazon cart, you couldn't also grab like bag of sand and like just have that to put in there. Like, what do you mean? Like, right. I mean, to be like, it's the darnest thing. It's empty. I must have gotten scammed. And it's like, what are you talking about? So then he said he thought he saw Angela somewhere near the house and that sometimes things moved around the house. So he thought she was coming in and out and had faked her own death. I have nothing to say, I'm just impure shocked that he's such a, I can't even talk about it. Okay. So police are like, got it? We are on the case. Literally. Like literally at this second. They're picking their feet. They're so excited that this is a slam dunk situation. They're like nailed it because, wow, he's guilty as fuck. So sounds guilty as fuck. So Jeff's allegedly. So detectives open a missing person's case immediately and they speak to people in neighborhood who had not seen her in a long time, Angela. And meanwhile, Jeff's family side with him and basically ice alley out completely. Whenever she reaches out, they say, we'll meet with you for lunch, but only if you refuse to talk about your dad or mom. And she said, why is that? And they said is she said, why is that? Has he asked you not to? And they replied, if that's the only reason for seeing us, I'm not interested. We don't talk about you. Wow. Like her dad's family, like her family, her relatives, and she lost her mom. So it's like, what the fuck? He, I mean, at this point, I'd be iced her out. At this point, I'd have to wonder does he have like third and fourth families at this point that he just like, it seems like everyone just listens to him when he says, don't talk about this. And he can just get away with whatever he wants. He's just getting totally protected. And they, when she brings up her mom, they said you have to let it go and she's like, let it go. Stupid. What are you talking about? Yeah. It's insane. So detectives obtained warrants to search the Green's house in Prairie Village as well as a friend's 35 acre property where he would store some of his stuff more than 70 officials participated in a thorough search. But unfortunately, there had been all this construction nearby and all this soil had been moved around and dumped on top of the property. So like 20 to 30 feet of dirt. And it had been completely transformed from when Angela had gone missing. So it was like, really, really difficult and they were unable to find her. Then the FBI becomes involved, but things are super slow, partially because people just kept telling the FBI, oh, we just assumed she moved back to China. And then the FBI was like, oh, maybe she just moved back to China. And Angela had literally lived in the States for over 20 years. Meanwhile, she'd never visited China since moving here, not once. It's just like, okay, you racist, fucks, whatever. She, yeah, sure, sure, sure. So super overwhelmed and frustrated by how slow this was going. Michelle decided to make Angela's story known on TikTok. Thank God. And she made a video that started, welcome to part one of who the F did my Aunt Mary and where the F is my Aunt. And there's a repost of an older video. It garnered millions of views overnight. Michelle and Ellie both began posting videos discussing Angela's disappearance, demanding more attention. They believe Jeff and Jeff's family knew what happened to Catherine and they needed someone to come forward with answers. The case was covered on our friend Sarah Turnie's podcast, Voices for Justice. And that's definitely worth a listen. Josh, like Sarah Turnie did, Ellie continued to record phone conversations with her father. And in one, she asked what date was the last time he'd seen Angela and he said, quote, gosh, I don't know. I didn't write it down. And then said, that's the busiest time of year for me at work. I'd be like, did you hit your fucking head? What are you? I mean, really? Get a grip. Oh, God. Just a lot. You have the lie better. I know he's getting away with it, but he has to wonder if she knows this is bullshit. Like that's what I wonder if he's also like he changed the story again, now saying that actually Angela left on her own and that she wanted, he didn't want to hurt her by making her think like that Angela left her behind. So he invented that she died to make her feel better about it. And it's like, are we kidding? Oh my God. And in the house was her passport ID, all her money. By the way, she had a stash of money that conveniently also vanished at a certain point. But nobody knows what happened to that. So I'm not going to say anything more. Jesus. Moreover, she didn't even have like a credit card to build credit. It's just nonsense, right? Nonsense. Michelle described Jeff as controlling and Angela is very dependent on him. She wasn't given access to her own money, things like that. There was just no trace, no trace of her. There was an episode of Dr. Phil where Ellie spoke about her mother's death. And she said no, she did not believe there's any chance that she was still alive. Dr. Phil's team hired private investigators to evaluate soil from a new garden at the property where apparently they found that they announced this is the most Dr. Phil thing ever. They announced to her that her dad had planted hostiles, Angela's favorite flower in his garden bed. I planted two of these. What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah. Two middle fingers. I hope they grow into trees like bean stalks, like mentioned previously mentioned in this episode of four mentioned bean stalks. They were transplanted from Angela's garden at the Prairie Village House and then cadaver dogs alerted to the soil samples, so detectives actually were able to obtain a warrant through this to excavate the garden, but they were not able to find anything. But that was like one of the most promising leads. And honestly, one of the nicest things I've ever heard Dr. Phil do. I was going to say one of the few times I'll say thanks all thanks to Dr. Phil, one of the only. So more than anything, Ellie just knew Angela would never abandon her, so she knew she was probably dead rather than having left the family. Ellie eventually ended contact completely with her father, cutting him out of her life and moving out of state to continue schooling in Colorado where she studied journalism. According to Michelle, when Ellie last spoke to her dad, Jeff, she said, "I know you won't say anything now, but before you die, can you at least write me a letter of what happened to mom?" Jesus Christ is so terrible, pitiful, it is. Michelle continued to make tick talks to raise awareness about Angela's disappearance. She's collaborated with other creators like Sarah Turnie, crime junkie, and other creators have left comments that they're making their own videos. There's an investigator named Steve Ridge who has offered to help pro bono and has offered now a $100,000 reward for any information which leads to finding Angela. Do we know what the dad thinks about his daughter at this point? They're just cut off from each other, so I think he's just isolated, like he's with his family. Crazy. You know, somewhere being protected by them. In a new people magazine investigate special from this February, 2026, Michelle says she thinks about Angela every night when she goes to sleep and every morning when she wakes up, she says she won't know peace until she knows what happened to her aunt. She also said, "I promise that Jeff will never know a single day of peace until we figure out what happened." But Jeff is not a named suspect in Angela's disappearance, I want to be super clear about that. The case may remain unsolved unless someone who knows what happened to Angela comes forward. There's not been any body found and it's nearly impossible to convict without a body. In March of this year, police told KC. TV 5 news and I thought this was pretty darn important, especially for this context. The detective said anytime there is a new podcast, documentary, or story about Angela Green, the police department receives numerous information from around the country. However, there is yet to be a tip or piece of information that provides new evidence or a lead that has not previously been investigated. But there's also always hope that someone will provide a tip so any information, no matter how small, you're encouraged to contact the authorities, especially if you, you know, grew up in the area, know anything, know anybody involved. So yeah, I thought that was heartening at least to hear that like they do get tips when podcasts cover cases, you know, that's good. Okay, well that's good. That's good. And we everything we said is alleged, of course, but yeah, about him at least, yeah. But wow, that's, that's heartbreaking. To have to hear like the phone calls with the dad being like, why do you always want to talk about your mom when you call? And it's like, are you kidding me? You told me she just died like two days ago. And also like, weirdest thing. It's so weird. It says everything I ever need to know about your relationship with her too since you don't give a shit. Like, why don't you give a shit about me giving a shit? What's wrong with you? Yeah, it's all like to drive away like that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, well, anyway, that was a doozy. Thanks for listening, everybody. Thanks. Before we go, I have an update on my phone, Lanyard. Everyone ate me alive in my DMs about this. Did they? What do you mean in a rude way? No, but they said like, because with that, no, not like that. Because I ragged on it saying, I looked like a mom, 50 year old mom, and a bunch of 50 year old moms, I guess have Instagram and know how to message me and they all went, just so you know, such a thing. Yeah. So just so you know, as a 50 year old mom, I would never. And I went, oh, okay. Oh, you got like double burn. I got even alive. Yeah. No, everyone was not a big fan of me comparing this to a demographic people who just wouldn't even ever think to own this and that you actively listen to our podcast, which is a wild choice for you to. They they also said something along the lines of like, I should try closer to like 80 or 90 year olds. They're the people who would, who would use this. And you know what? Okay. First of all, stop that because now the 80 and 90 year olds are going to start DMing us, and I simply can't. My grandma does know how to DM, so everyone watch yourselves. And I'm scared, really. I hear your cries. I apologize to the 50 year old moms that I offended. However, I still think it's a slam dunk. I maybe it's just, maybe I stand alone here, but if you have, if you don't have one, you're bested out. This is like the rest I've ever seen. So yeah, it's super cool. Yeah. At me and everyone at the retirement home are just getting all tangled up and he shows a little phone there. Oh, wow. It's saucy. Thank you, everyone. Sorry for all of the rabbit holes down downward spirals, but I I think we did quite a lot of damage today and a lot different categories between all of our old cinema projects and. Oh, fuck yeah. I got to find that old video. It's so haunting. Well, everyone, we'll see you next week and that's why we drink. [Music] [Music] [Music]