E490 Reverse Victorian Child Trauma and Skeleton Touching Collaborations

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If I worked in an office, actually casual Wednesday would feel nice also because it's like right in the middle. I feel like it'd be like pajama Wednesday. And then Fridays more like casual like we're going to hang out later maybe, you know. Like Friday, you should get to go, you should go dressed so you can go straight to the bar afterwards or whatever you do afterwards. You should be able to wear your cute little like your romper or like, you know, whatever you want to wear, your cape, your cape. Like if it's chilly, you know, your shoulders won't have to worry. I really, I agree. I think Fridays should be whatever you need. Wednesday should be pajama day. What would the other day is be? I'm trying to avoid a little corporate outfits. Stay home maybe. Okay, so maybe for some people Wednesday is the job. I was going to say I don't know. I don't like working. So I think that I'm not the one to tell you how to run your office people. You have your own office. You tell me though if tied I Monday would do some real damage. I mean, I'm going to say like naturally tied I Tuesday just has a better ring to it. But I like, I like where your head, I like where your head's at. So yeah, this is why we're a power team, right? It's like, wow, one idea after the other, we're just making waves. I feel like I know because I feel like I had a good idea. And then you went actually what about this? Let's just up the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, really change the game there. Well, what's been going on with you? We haven't talked on like two whole weeks. And it's just been missing carbon San Diego style across the world. I don't know where, but just around. And have you had a lovely time traveling? I did. I really needed it. Well, I started with a family vacation with Allison's family and then it always does. It always does. I need a catalyst to get me to the East Coast. The first Domino's got to go over, you know. And then there was a wedding and Connecticut. That was the few days I needed to be in Connecticut for that. Where in Connecticut? Old money Connecticut. It was with the name of it. Oh, no, no, no. Imagine being a time you're like, we're going to have some old money. I love it. It was it's near Mystic Connecticut where I do. I see obviously checked out Mystic on the name. Oh, I've been a Mystic, but only once. Oh, it was very nice. The aquarium I went to. What's up? I went to the aquarium. I did not. But they had a bookshop that told our book. Wait, which one? I've been there. Allison's little haunted bookshop. Yes. Yeah, my mother-in-law loves that spot because they live in Connecticut. So every time she goes there, she sends me a little picture. I think it's a coastal chain. I thought it was just in Mystic, but then one of my friends also just saw a book and they said, oh, I was just at. And I was like, wait, you were in Mystic and they're like, no, I think it's the stories in different places. I didn't know that. I've only heard of the Mystic one. Yeah. No, the place I went was. There was Old Seybrook. I also went to Greenwich. I know. But that was just Connecticut. I was trying to hit all of it. I did. I spent time in every state in New England. I went to New York. I went to Pennsylvania. Word. That was all over the place. I'll tell you, one of the things I did. I'm very excited to report it back to you. Actually, two things. I don't know which one's going to require more conversation, so I want to say that one last. The first thing I did, okay, that I need to talk to you about. And by the way, then I had to travel. I had to carry it all the way back because it was too expensive to ship back. And also, it was too big to put in like, oh, the overhead, so I had to hold it. No. I found it finally in real time because did you know that they're so hard to actually find? What? You did not take a hoop and stick on the fucking cabin in the cabin of the hoop. Ground up and stick and I already saved the person. Did anybody stop you or try to? Everyone. Everyone. I thought you were going to say nobody dared. And then you said actually, I hit a bump at every turn. Okay, first of all, I don't know what the hell's going on. I tried to ship this back, but it would only fit in the box that I guess was so big that to ship it from New York to California. 800 dollars to ship a loop and stick. And I was like, the shape is like the size of a truck tire. So I imagine like, if you were, I mean, it's obviously like an ounce heavy, but if you were to like, the space that takes up. Literally, like, the people who were like, I was like, can you just tell me what boxes would fit in? And then they started laughing. They're like, I'm so sorry, but this would be 800 dollars. And I was too embarrassed. Do you want the faster one, which is like 780? I was too embarrassed to tell them that it was a hoop and stick. So I took the stick part off, and I kept it in my backpack because that's easy. And so it just looks like a hula hoop. And they were like, we're sending a hula hoop for a hula hoop. There was for 800 dollars. Do you want to send a hula hoop? And I went, I don't. I can't do that. I can't. So I now own a hoop and sec. And it was your carry on. Now we know you can take that on. It was a carry. It was not an easy carry on. I'll tell you that because they give you a hard time. The flight attendants were lovely. They put it in like their own personal storage. They put it in like the first class like next to the blazers. Yes. Yes. Because it couldn't sit. It obviously couldn't go above, but it couldn't be next to my knee is either because it was like it would get into everyone else's space. It rolls down the aisle and like hang on. With the stick all over. So anyway, I just I wanted it on the record that I I have a hoop and stick. It's been very. I've been waiting to find one. And I tried it. I haven't been able to. Okay. It's actually so F and hard. Those little Victorian kids. Those fucking children. I mean, they were playing with rusty cans half the time. Like you know, they were built of stronger stuff than we are. They clearly, I mean, even the skill that it takes to hoop and stick, like I guess the name of the game was how long can you keep a hoop up using the stick. And they would just go for miles and miles. And I can't do it for five fucking feet. I don't know how they did it. But I guess if you you have all the time in the world and no other toys. - And just like a dirty alley and street, yeah. - This is what happens when there aren't screens. The kids are good, but they don't even stick. - Like I would draw with squishy bugs. That's so disturbing also. You know, like there are other disturbing things that have been done even in the 90s, you know. - Anyway, that was a big thing. I really, I'm-- - I am delight. I am over the moon. I gotta say about this. - Thank you, and I'm really, I'm hoping that I get good at it. So in my neighborhood, I'm known as the-- - Like there's someone who uses soup for that. - They're already known for that. It's too late for that you've already-- Whether you're good at it or not. Honestly, if you're work, if you're bad at it, it'll probably stick faster. - Yeah, that's the sad part. - Well, 'cause I thought when we first moved here, I was like, oh, I'd love to get like, back into like a unicycling. And then I'm like, I noticed the person who unicycles-- - Yeah, that's what happens usually when you move like into your neighborhood. You're like, I really want to settle back into my roots, you know? - I wanted to be known for something. I don't know what's wrong with me. - Unicycling. But imagine if I got back into unicycling and who've been sick at the same time. And then I'm unstoppable. - I mean, then the roads are going to be dangerous for everybody. - No one's going to know what to expect. That's at least, you know what I always wanted to get into is penny farthing, which is like the really big victory in life with the one that you also would do that. - You would do that. It's disturbing to me. - We used to have them at the prop house, and I was too scared to ever learn how to try to learn what. - It seems terrifying. I would die immediately, instantaneous death. - Anyway, that's why I drink, 'cause I'm very excited that I have a little stick out. - I like how little the stick is, though. Like why is it the stick part so fucking small if the hoop, like I don't-- - It's like a foot long, what's it? - Yeah, I thought it was going to be more of like, you got more length to use rather than just-- - Yeah, I guess the only need it to just kind of do this and just hope it stays balanced, right? - I thought it's supposed to roll the hoop and you're supposed to like-- - Like hit it this way? - Oh my God, do you not even know how to play it and you're like inventing your, no wonder you're so bad at it. - So you're going to be known as the person who has no fucking clue what they're doing with a hoop and stick, which is so much funnier to me than actually being good at it. - Well, you know, they had that like trend for a while. - They get to make sure they roll down the street. And you like-- - Yeah, but I think I use this to like, try to keep it balanced, right? - Oh, yes, yes, yes. - Like keep tapping it upright, upright, yeah. - Okay, I thought you were doing like a play spinning situation and I was like, well, that's your clown in kicking in. - No, I will, there was that trend for a while about like what's the sentence, what's the crazy sentence you could say, though, I make like a Victorian child. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - But it's always funny to me. - I feel like in reverse, like this, this is something of a Victorian child would be like some of those would make a future person. - We never think about it that way, do we? - But if someone said, let's play with a hoop and stick, I clearly can't keep up with them. - You'd be left off the school yard. - Maybe doing laps around me, yeah. - Oh my God. And then we'd all have a, we'd fucking have a high cholesterol, like a heart attack. And they'd be like, these people are made of fucking, these fucking people are not withstand anything. - I, I will say, I have one other thing I do really want to talk to you about, about my travels. - But that one was supposed to be not as talkative. So tell me the second thing. - Well, I was gonna say, I'm aware that I'm kind of taking over the conversation right now. So I want you to give a divide here and tell us why you drink. - Fantastic, 'cause I'm so ready, 'cause look at this bad boy. It's a smoothie, it looks delicious. - Oh my God, it's like a berry. It's supposed to be healthy for me. (laughing) But it had like, unluck they brought me a pink straw today. - That's so fun. Is this even from the same place you usually go to or no? - You know what it is, and I can't stop. Well, no, it's not my big B's actually, no. It's a different place. It's some sort of farm juicery situation. That's far too expensive, but I live in LA so I can't complain too much. - Is it taste like LA? - I'm about to find out. Oh yeah, it's got dates, it's got, you know, all the classics. It's good for my, it's collagen. I don't know what the fuck is in it, but it was expensive, but I figured you know what? - Before I treat yourself. - Before I lived in LA, I really did not understand, nor was I willing to understand a date in a smoothie. It's really a game changer. - You had no, you had absolutely no acceptance for that. - I was like, wow, pass. But naturally. - I remember when you visited me and I was pregnant and I just ate so many fucking dates. (laughing) - It's so delicious. - You were like, get the baby out, and I was like, I'm trying. - I kept you. - It was a date for figs, I don't know. - Figs, I still don't stand behind, but dates are delicious. But it's like, nature's caramel. - Well, that's beautiful. - That's how it was described to me to get me to eat it. - Oh. (laughing) - I'll totally own it that later, though, perfect. - It's nature's caramel. - Okay, now tell me the second thing, 'cause the reason I drink is that I just don't even, I'm in such a liminal space. I feel in my life that I don't even know why I drink this week. - What have you been doing the last two weeks? - Where'd you go, what'd you do, who'd you see? - Just like, you know, having a neurotic breakdown every once in a while. - Cool, what'd you eat? - Not much. - Yeah, I sort of lost my appetite. It's just been a weird time. I feel like I'm in a liminal space for real. I've been doing terror readings on one day randomly just did a terror reading on TikTok, and it was like 50,000 views, and I went, I'm sorry, what's that about? So then I've been doing them every day for fun, and they only have like 100 views or 200, but it's like, I don't know, it's a good little routine. So it keeps me grounded. And yeah, so you can, I don't know, they're just kind of out there floating around. So if the one comes, I kind of set the intention of like, if this comes across someone's feed, maybe they're meant to get a message from it, you know? - Nice, it's called the thing cool. - No, I don't even have a name for it. I just like fucking did it and then started kept doing it, and I've done it almost every day for like eight days now, which is like the longest I've ever done anything besides this podcast. - Yeah, that's awesome. I have you, has one stuck out to you where you got a reading where you were like, oh, this feels real. - Yes, it was one so creepy yesterday that I did, where I said, I keep getting Alaska, and it was like this intense Alaska energy. The first fucking card I pulled, the only card in the entire 80 some Oracle deck, or a terror deck, that was like a folklore from Alaska. And I was like, whoa, so that was freaky. And then something fell over like during a reading, there's like some weird like ghosty stuff that's happening. And then during that same reading, oh, I said like, for some reason I'm being called to bring up my yearbook quote, and then I pulled up an Oracle card and it was like your high school yearbook or something. And I was like, this is getting like-- - What the hell? - It was getting weird. - What was your yearbook quote? - Oh my gosh, well, I talk about it, and the cynicism I've had, and the relationship I've had to that quote in that video, but it was the meaning of life is to plant trees under whose shade you do not expect to sit. So like-- - Oh, wow. - And at the time I was like-- - There was so much more like, so deep. - And so I thought, I was like, I was just who I was at the time, I was so deep. But looking back, like I recently thought about it and I felt so cynical. And I was like, I was just like, had no boundaries. I was just like, you know, oh, the meaning of life is like, give away everything you have. And like, blah, blah. I was just feeling so weird and cynical about it. And for some reason I brought it up in the reading and then I like pulled the yearbook card and it was like, just very affirming. I don't know, it was cool. So I think I'm kind of doing readings for myself, but then it like resonates with people who are going through similar experiences, if that makes sense. So they're healing, you know, exchange. - What do you mean that it like just brought up Alaska? Don't tarot cards, I kind of just have like vague. - Oh, I have a deck that's like folklore around the world. So it's like a tarot deck, but it's like themed. So I'll just randomly like, I have like, as you know, like 40 decks. And like, Eva and you have collected so many over travels. - Actually, I only have three. - Oh, okay, well, you've gifted many, I guess I would say. And also, I've received and Eva has certainly gifted and received many. And like, so that one was, like place, yeah, like folklore from around the world. And I was like, oh, look at this woman. And she's with the bugs. And then I like opened it. It's like, Alaskan folklore. And I was like, well, that was weird. - That's cool. - And then it was just fun to see people in the comments. And then I put like a pinned comment or as a description of like, what I feel like is the, are the like, synchronicities for the day, like, just weird stuff. I don't know, it's just fun. I'm just walking around. And it's awesome. - Yeah, I don't know. If it feels like resident anyone, you go check it out otherwise. - Well, I would say what the, I don't know, how to totally segue into this. But I was thinking about while I was traveling, 'cause I was trying to like, document as much of it as possible. And I was thinking like, I'm like, really upset that I'm, I know in a few months, I'm just gonna forget everything I did. And so I made a little video of like, things to remember of like, if I ever traveled there with things to do again. And so I was like, maybe I'll put that on YouTube. So maybe you're like, - No, you should. 'Cause you can do like a little. - People, like, especially when it's like travel stuff. Like, my brother will sometimes just turn on like, best places in, or underrated spots and whatever. And just like, have it on. - Really? I feel like that. - Yeah, people love shit like that, dude. And what I would do, how I got into this was, I was like, so into watching those videos, that I was like, oh, I think I could like do this in my own style. So I feel like the best thing to do is like, watch those kind of videos and be like, oh, which one is like, something that I could kind of translate into my own. 'Cause it's like, whatever you feel like, oh, that's really cool how they do that. I don't know. I feel like that is the way to figure it out. But yeah, people each, like, that up. Are you kidding me? That would be awesome. - It would be more for me, I think, and that if people want to watch it, they can't. But I think I'm just, it's just, so I have like, I think that's the key though, like, that's why I'm doing it. I'm like, I'm not expecting one video blew up. And I was like, okay, fine. That's my sign from the universe to keep doing it. And then, you know, the next ones have like 100 views. Fine, I don't really care. It's just like, oh, I like doing it. And I feel more confident. - Do you ever get a really good feeling that like, you're like, those are gonna be a good crazy deck? I can already tell this. Like, I'm gonna hold it up until I'm good once today. - Yeah. Yeah, and it's crazy. And I just got my raky, like, second certification. And I got, like, my-- - Okay, congratulations, did you tell us about the first certification. - Yes. And so, hello, second, I know it's crazy. And then I went in for another, like, Um, you don't sound proud enough of yourself for that. No, I am. It's just a sort of a mind blowing because it feels a little bit like. What's happening? You know, I'm like, what's happening? Everything's just like, whoa. Um, but yeah, so I've been doing that. It's just kind of like, I'm just kind of like doing it for fun. So I would recommend no, just put stuff up. Who knows? I am very proud of you for all your raky stuff because you are very much underselling it. But I know it takes a lot of work and thought to you. It's been, it's been, it's been a, a blast. Um, the thing I wanted to tell you is I stayed one extra day that I really planned to. I really wanted to leave a day earlier. But, um, I realized I was pretty close to a town that you and I would care quite a lot about. So I'm here to tell you all about my day in Scranton. No. Oh my god. I was like, Galena. Sleepy Hollow, we done that. Like, say I'm done at New Orleans, done that. No, I'll, it's funny. I'll actually like my place, my Galena bracelet today. I literally wore my Galena shirt yesterday. Oh my god. I had a weird feeling you were, I was like, I'm gonna wear my Galena bracelet. I don't know why I haven't worn it a long time. God damn it. I love Galena. Anyway, so sorry. Other city, other city. Yeah, I went to Scranton and I did a full office day. So I went everywhere, um, which I guess I'll talk about in the YouTube video. Oh, yeah. Oh, I thought you were going to say the appy hour. But yes, also the YouTube video. Yes, you should absolutely do that. But I'll tell you, I went to all the spots. I went to poor Richards. I went to, oh, this shirt is from Cooper C food. Shut the fuck up. Which I can tell you, I'll tell you that's, I get why in the show, Michael Scott is obsessed with Cooper C food. It's a very Michael Scott place. And then I went to Alfredo's Pizza Cafe. I went to the Chili's obviously, obviously. And I didn't know this. They opened that Chili's after like people from the office like screamed about how there wasn't a Chili's and Scranton. I feel like I heard that somewhere on TikTok. But yeah, they wear different uniforms and anywhere else at Chili's. Like there's is the Dunder Mifflin logo and it says Chili's Scranton branch. And then they had where those? Yeah. And then they have all over like the decor of the Chili's is all office themed. So like they had like some franchiser was like a franchise. He was like, I'm fucking nailing this by the way. Literally, they were, I think they took a survey and they were like, who were all the office fans here? All the viewer in charge of designing this place? Because every wall, there was like all the way down to like pamphlets for like a condo for sale. And it was, it described Michael Scott's condo. And then like my gosh, Chili's, not Killy's. Kevin's Chili recipe framed on the wall. They had like, do they have like a stain? No, that would be in the office, no, man. No, they had, they had a big poster. That said, like, I feel God in those Chili's. They had, oh my God, what am I, what am I missing? Oh, they had a little, like there was a booth that was designed to look exactly like the one in the episode that Michael Scott takes like the client to. Oh my gosh, it's literally like you don't get to eat there. They had like props glued on the table so you could sit there and like take a picture like you're done. That's so good. And then what else, I went to the actual Dunder Mifflin, I met their version of Pam, I think. But I even asked, I was like, what's your job? And she was like, it's the office. Like we all, you know what we do. I was like, ah, like she like knew her fucking. Like kidding me, they do that. I didn't know they do all this there. Yeah, no, they've really leaned into it. And like even the actual paper company there, they changed their logo on one side of their business. So it's the actual paper company there. Yeah, I didn't realize that. Which I think that gets mentioned in the show at some point. But um, they, they, one side of their building, they changed out their logo and everything and it just says Dunder Mifflin. It's literally like a lot of paper. And then their lobby, they have a bunch of Dunder Mifflin stuff, so you can go in and take pictures like in their paper company lobbies. And um, they were, they were the paper company that I guess John Krasinski filmed for the intro. And then they were also, um, they were the ones that got interviewed by the writers to know how to actually run a paper company and cheese. And then what else? Oh my gosh, there were, there were murals everywhere. I have pictures. I'll, I'll put it all somewhere. See this why we need the YouTube video. I know, I already forgot it. But um, oh, and then I went, there was that episode where um, Ryan, like when, when he hurts his foot on the George Foreman girl, and all he wants is putting and Ryan's like, oh, I got you putting from a gas station in carbon Dale, I went to a gas station in carbon Dale and they do sell putting. Oh my god, I got you putting from a gas station in carbon Dale is a very good line. Yeah, I um, okay, that's, that's really at the end. But I would have felt weird to not actually tell you about that. And then um, they, they sold Dundees at a store and they, but they had Dundees. They were all replicas of the Dundees that people won on the show. So you can get any Dundee that anyone won. So cool. White speakers, they had white as sneakers. They had kind of a bitch award. They had, uh, I want that. I got Allison one. It's the hottest in the office, which is what Ryan usually won. Yeah, the one right. Um, but yeah, it was, it was a good time. So, but I was so excited to be there. And then it was shocking that like, it really hurt my feelings at one point. There was one of the waiters at the chillies. He could tell it was a fan because I was like taking pictures of everything. And he came up and like was telling me a story about how like his parents like knew some of the people who worked on the show. And I was like, really? Like, you have any other stuff? Do you remember anything? Like anything else from that time? And he was like, no, I wasn't born yet. And I went, oh, he was like, I'm just, I just remember because that's what my parents told me. It's just my legacy. Oh god. Fuck. Really, maybe feel so old. I was like, oh, because you look in my mind. I'm your age, you know? Right. Like, we're the youths. Yeah. Anyway, I went to Scran and that's the good reason why I drink. I love that for you. Congratulations. That sounds like fun. Because I knew I would yap so much, I have a very short story for you today. Oh, exciting. Bring it on. Like, like, not even half a page of notes. Oh, wow. Yeah. Because I knew we would always, we always make up for it, especially after like a three week break or whatever. Two week break. I know. I just had so much to catch you up on. Like, I was in Scran the whole time. I was like, oh god, tell her about this. I'm like, I can even believe I didn't even, oh, man, I must have felt something in the year. I hope it's so. I certainly felt the threat from afar. Thank you. Yeah, I felt threatened really quickly with that. I'm glad to hear it. It can be so hard to go from like, oh, I've got so many groceries and then all of a sudden they're all either bad or gone. And I'm like, wait, now I don't have anything to eat. Oh, no. And I have a child help. Okay. So that is why I do love hungry root. 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Oh, so that's, I'm glad we went different directions with that, I'm so like. Yeah, so good things. Good things. No, so a cemetery was built there. And it was a very quick turnaround. This cemetery really only existed for like maybe 30 years. So it was from 18 years. Oh yeah, they were like, we're going to put our house here. Not a cemetery. I think that's kind of how people. Like immediately they want the land. Why do dead people get to look out the ocean up so alive? Well, it's funny that you mentioned that because wasn't it like the 1880s, I think, where. I don't know what the right phrasing is. Architects or designers or something. The intention of cemeteries for a while was to be public parks. So that way you could like. You could go visit your family, but it was still like a welcoming place. You could hang out so that we. You never really felt like your family was isolated somewhere. You could still enjoy them and make family time out of it. Right, which makes sense for like a beautiful view of this stuff. I. What's a vista? In my mind, it makes sense like you would put a cemetery next to a lagoon if you think people would want to be there. And absolutely, and to come and pay respects and so. Yeah, that makes. Actually, it makes total sense, yeah. Well, we don't think that way. We'll see you're not to the. So the. Maybe to. to the city planners, but not to the big wigs. - Well, so it was built in 1888. I don't actually know when it was built. That was the first burial we know of. So I'm assuming the cemetery was just waiting before that. - Maybe it was just like. - It was just like a hole. - And someone buried it. And then they were like actually one hole. They were like, we're gonna. - Well, isn't it any day now? - Four bodies, and then it'll be a cemetery. - Yeah, true. And only the final burial we know of was in 1916. So that's one, yeah, it wasn't very long. - 22 plus 16. - It's a very short period of time. - Yeah, not even 40 years. Okay, so the cemetery was here. It was called the Buena Vista Cemetery 'cause it overlooked the Buena Vista Lagoon. And yeah, the last burial was 1916, but by 1929, which is like 15 years later-ish, it was the area was completely abandoned. - Oh. - The cemetery was overgrown. I guess because since it's beginning, there was never like a caretaker. And so after 40 years- - Right, and if nobody else is getting buried there, it's like people start stop visiting, and yeah. - Yeah, or I would even think the. If they never had a caretaker, and it started in 1888 by 1929, it's just like- - Oh, true. - Just a mess, and you don't want to- - And I don't even know it's there. - Yeah. So who knows, maybe if they employed people to like be like maintenance workers there, would have stayed open longer. But anyway, so it was abandoned by 1929. At that same time, the cemetery or the road that it was on was being redeveloped. And so because of this, they were going to be shifting things around on the land. - Oh, okay. - A bunch of bodies were buried. - Yeah, good start. So at this point, just in 1929, as they're doing this first round of redevelopment, around like 10 different bodies were dug up, and at least moved to a new cemetery, 'cause one of the other reasons that this place was abandoned was because a whole new, bigger, better cemetery had opened up. - Sure. So they find around 10 bodies, a different source has said different numbers, so I'm sticking with around 10. They dug these bodies up and moved them to a cemetery. And since the cemetery had been abandoned for like 15 years, the bodies I guess technically were also abandoned. So I'm unsure if there were families who were like notified, but it also seems that nobody complained either. No one like wrote in and said, "Where the hell are the bodies that we buried?" - Right, I guess nobody was visiting anyway, so maybe they didn't know. Oh, okay. - So, and I don't think they had like plot and pro on the bodies. - Right, we're just kind of, I think they didn't even know what they would find. They just kind of started digging and if they found a body, they're like, "Oh, let's. " - They weren't even like grave stones, head stones? - I don't think so, because one of the mysteries of the cemetery was we don't know how many bodies, to this day, we don't know how many bodies were on the land. - Goodness, okay. - And some head stones, there was actually like a whole controversy somewhere in like the 70s, I think, where this guy was like, it's clearly only this many bodies that are here, but he was really just counting the head stones that existed and not any of the like random graves that didn't have. - Oh, wow. Okay, so anyway, because they didn't have plot information, I think they were like, "Let's just hope for the best "and hope we don't hit any bodies," and then they hit a few, and then had to dig them out and move them. That was the first time that this happened. But then in the 1950s, the property was sold to a teacher who I love her mind. She bought the land strategically to keep her own house's view of the lagoon. - Sure, but somebody would be like, "I need to get on this, yeah." - She was like, "If I buy this land, "then nobody else can touch it." And therefore like a skyscraper won't show up, in the way of my view, love her, love her. But very quickly, she sold to a developer, LOL, who was going to use it for commercial property anyway. So she had a plan and then did not stick with it. So by the 1960s, 1970s, now freeways are starting to get built all over the place. And specifically in this area was gonna be the five. And so a ramp was gonna be built right over this land. That's the best way to do with this property. So even though in the 1920s, they accidentally hit a few bodies and then dug them up and buried them at the new cemetery. This is now the second time where there's gonna be construction in the area and in the zoning where the cemetery is, they end up digging up 17 more bodies. - Oh, more, oh more, oh my goodness, okay. - Yeah, so now we're at like 27-ish. - Jeez. - During this time, the gravestones themselves, this is like the most fucked up part to me and I don't know why, but it just feels like the last personal thing that any of these bodies ever got to like claim to. The gravestones, since they dug the bodies up and there was no reason for the gravestone anymore, they repurposed them and used them as parts of the highway ramp. - Oh, oh God, that does feel just dirty. - It does, it feels so wrong, it's so disrespectful. - So now if you're driving on the five in ocean side, you're like, am I driving on a gravestone? - I'm just sure you are. - Rollin' over it. - That's just like, of all things a free way. It's like, okay, I understand if you want it, if there were other reasons to just, and it just feels a little. - I guess like in the world of like if we're thinking truly like just a bunch of shitty businessmen, they're like, well, it's free concrete. - I mean, yeah, I suppose. It just feels weirdly like, oh, you're gonna get haunted, dude. - I feel like there should be a story somewhere of like this haunted section of the five, and it's because it's built out of gravestones. You know how like every hotel is like right now? - Well, we're built out of limestone, so we must be haunted. I'm like, this is made out of fucking graves, babe. Oh my God, the Orkin Man. Oh my God. (laughing) Oh my God, the works timing of his life. - Tell him to go away. - Is he waiting for me? - He did ring the doorbell. - Hide. ♪ Stand by, we have to step away ♪ - It was so worth it for that. (laughing) For the jump scare, it was so worth it every second. - That really was the perfect timing, too. - My God, you really got me too. Like, I got, I got jumpy. Wow, I had to, wow, I had to take a breath after that. That was a good jump scare for all of us to kind of wake back up. - I think the last word I said was graves, like empty graves, but yeah, then you looked to the side and like jumped out of your skin. Oh my God, okay. It's especially 'cause the doorbell is right next to me, so they have to lunge this way. - Yeah, it does always appear as though you're like recoiling. (laughing) - Okay, so I'm more than halfway now with those already. So, okay, so that was the second time that we had bodies being discovered and-- - And the 17 more. - Oh yeah, you said 17 more bodies, that's what happened. And then like the jump scare, okay. So there's already, now we're at about like 30 bodies. And so-- - Oh jeez. - As far as we know, everything's good for like the next 20 years. And then by 1991, Texaco, they're soil testing in the area. And I don't know how deep you're digging the soil to test it, but they've accidentally came across like five more bodies. - I mean, I guess you would. You're testing the soil. You gotta go deep down in there. - I wonder if they tested it and they were like, it says body remains are here. And then they're like had to keep digging. - There must be oil here. It's like no, just grandma's pearls, but it just feels yeah. - Texaco, good job. - So they ended up finding five or six more bodies. And during the most recent construction, which I'm not, I don't even know if this is the most recent construction, 'cause it sounds like in 2020, they found even more. But somewhere between 1991 and 2020, they were now grading the land, which I did not know what that meant. That means when the machines are intentionally creating slopes, so that way rain will pour away from your house. You're saying that like a construction worker, like you know what the fuck I'm saying? - Yeah, city planner, what can I say? I wrapped Parks and Rec too, you know what I mean? - Okay, so for people who don't watch Parks and Rec, they were digging slopes. - Just kidding, I know it. I don't know, I just kind of, you said, you said, oh, so confidently, I was like, I guess I made what it must mean. And then I seem to be right, so I just went with it. - Your confidence made me believe that you're - I'm just extremely smart, so. - It showed, yeah. The, during the most recent construction or development or whatever they were grading the soil, they found even more bodies. And at one point, this is like, I can't imagine the person in charge of this like construction equipment. You would know the name since you're so smart. First of all, shut up, you're right. I'll tell you in a minute. - But one of them was driving one of the big machines and they accidentally struck two coffins. - And bones started spilling out. - That's not me on the first day of the job. That's me, the first day of the job at like the, whatever you do, don't hit this section. - Yeah, literally. I've just, oops, I went too far and then I accidentally tumbled bones all across the workspace. This is insane, that's insane. Imagine that's your job, you're just like, I'm just grading the land as always with my big machine and it's like, fucking bones. - Browd out? - You have to, I mean, I wouldn't hope to desecrate, at desecrate any grave, especially any further more grave, so they're all over. - More people should be open about that, thank you. - Well, I'm saying that because part of me in a morbid way would be like, if this place like three times in a row now has had history of like people digging up bodies, I'm kind of wondering if I'm gonna like, like what's the jackpot in the situation? Am I gonna get a body? - In the industry, you'd already, it already have a name built for itself because anyone doing development in that area finds a body it seems. So it's like, yeah, you kind of know what you're getting into, but like, to have the bones spill about is like so startling. - I'm not saying I would want that to happen, but I would be disappointed if that place, had a place had a history of it, and we walked away without like an interesting story. What I would be disappointed in is if that was the day before my first day on the job, you know, and this be action. I was my, days, I was the orientation day and I missed it. And oh my gosh, I would be so disappointed, but I would want all the details, yeah. Yeah, I want, I want to be involved 0%, but I do want to be like working that day and hear about it in the different rooms. Yeah. That's exactly what I want. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to be feeling guilty about anything, but I do want to need it on it. Yeah. And I want to be a hold space for all the trauma, but I just want to be a part of the, like, watch crew. Exactly. I would be in the back. I definitely want to be the person, like, I want to be like the town cryer of the construction crew, where I go, oh my god, we found you and I would be fucking so annoying. We'd be like, you guys, did you guys hear? Oh my god. And then you and I would fight each other and we'd be like, we'd fucking work the story. I've been like a frenzy. It would be insane. And I wouldn't even be useful that day on on the set. I wouldn't even be useful that day. We wouldn't even do a set because we would immediately create content out of it because we're insane. That's what I'm saying. I'd immediately start like looking up the names and trying to find out what was unhinged about it immediately. So, but, you know, obviously, I don't think they handled it. Let's put this way. Even though I feel a little hesitant about even my own response on what I would do where I would just want to know all the information, these people handled it worse because, oh, how? I wouldn't say the construction crew were to blame at all. I think there's some project manager who needs to reevaluate his tail, because basically they hit these two bodies and to make his deadline on the project, he literally had workers just take the bones and put them in burlaps or X and then told the crew to keep working. Oh, my God. And these people, I mean, that's traumatizing in and of itself to have to be doing that. It's like bones and put them in a bag literally and then hide them from orders of your boss. What the fuck? And I saw on one side, it said that like they literally called the city and that's what the city wanted to do to also keep the project on the city. Give me give me a break called the city is corrupt. It's a dog probably like the one you like so much. Yeah, dig up all the bones given to me. Honestly, that would be mayor max's best day. That's a fucked up thing to say, but I like it is funny. He also dogs and bones. Okay. So you guys get it. Do you get it? Please God, because otherwise I feel like I'm really making a bad joke. Okay. Um, but no, that like is that not so fucked up that he was just like, all right, put them in a bag. We're done in a burlap. Wait, what year was that too? That I don't know. It's between the 90s and 2020. Yeah, like what burlap sack? What are you doing? This is disturbing. Yeah, we couldn't put them at least in like top or wear or something where we could preserve them and bring them somewhere's trunk or something. Yeah, I don't know. Like something air tights that way you can like find out something to do with them later. I guess that that I guess he probably just didn't want anyone to know. And that's the point, right? Like he didn't want it to halt construction or whatever. Well, when the whistle blower, because I'm not on purpose, I would just accidentally blab too much. I wouldn't be able to shut the fuck up about that. I'd be like, can you believe this fucking happened? And then they'd be like, what happened? I'd be like, I didn't know me. Nothing. Ask him. Ask him. Well, so but then even more bodies were found. And I guess the construction crew blessed them. They were afraid that these body thralls just going to get put in burlap sacks and neglected. And so they literally took the construction equipment themselves and reburied the bodies. Wow. Oh my gosh. Wow. Good for them. I bet you there was one guy who's like being an asshole about it. Sure. Oh no, I'm just the asshole. Like he had to like re-evaluate too. I'm sure he was like, if everyone else is feeling this way, like I really actually think about myself. Yeah, he probably like, he probably made a joke about how Mayor Max would have loved this. And then just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. That was a joint effort. Kristina, do you feel no trust me? I literally set you up for that one. That's we'd be in the same. I mean, it's very we'd be like laughing and going, oh, it's too soon. Yeah, it's sorry. It's it's a for sure a morbid joke. But I mean, what else are you going to do when you're digging and burying in traumatized? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you get a laugh through the pain. So yeah, the construction team, I guess, handled it or I don't know how many. Maybe it wasn't all them. Maybe there's just some of them. But around 10 bodies in total were found during this event. So that makes like 12 more bodies on top of the almost 30 bodies. Okay. You know, I like have not ever thought about it this way, but some things aren't meant to be transparent. Like swimsuits. But when it comes to like a bill, like a say a phone bill. Yeah, it's like transparency is a word they've never heard of. And suddenly there are these fees and there are these like little add-ons and like they're like, wait, wait, you already knew about that. But no, no, no, no, we're done with that because now MetMobile is here with high-speed data and reliable coverage on the T-Mobile 5G network. 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There were people who wanted to be identified. But maybe they had like family plots, you know, where it was like you don't necessarily know how many people in a family were buried in a certain name or no clue. I don't know. I don't know. Before I stop talking about the cemetery, though, I want to tell you the creepiest part for sure is that in the 70s, when they were doing their bout of construction and they found all these bodies, what's so freaking eerie about this? And remember these these bodies as far as we know, the latest one was buried in 1916. Right. So these bodies were buried between the 18s and 1916 in the 70s when they were going through this redevelopment and and taking the bodies out. The bodies that were being discovered, despite them being decades old, they were in quote, perfect condition. Oh, the bodies they're clothing and even a flower that one body was holding. One man was holding a flower in his coffin showed no signs of decay, little to no signs of decay. The the flowers still had its color. Like it was the fuck. Okay. Is this I can't even press a dandelion over here and they're just like preserving roses under in a coffin. I mean, that's the fault, boy, Larry, write that down. Maybe it's a salty sea air. So good for you. Well, so their theory is that there was something in the soil, especially a 91 if they were testing that soil. Yeah. I mean, maybe and I would imagine I would be on the soil testing team. One way to pitch it to me. I also imagine you would be on the soil testing team. What? I think I would immediately it would be a no for me if I was if I'd volunteer to be part of the soil testing team. But if someone pitch it as no no 20 years ago, they started finding like bodies that were buried 100 years ago and they were in perfect condition. All of a sudden I'd be a soil genius and I'd be doing anything to get. Oh, yeah. You'd be like, I've actually overnight read every book and read it post that ever existed about this. And suddenly I accidentally became the expert. Yeah. Yes, 100%. But no, I mean, they were they were pulling bodies out. There was one man who I guess like, especially if they're that in that pristine condition, you could probably identify them really well. Oh, true. Oh, and that's oh, oh, yeah, that's disturbing. But then I also wonder like, I don't know how spread out the land was that was getting developed on because if some of these bodies were in perfect condition, but other ones were like literally bones falling apart, then the soil is either completely different or one of these stories is not true. Or maybe it's just 50 years later, you know, I mean 70s, that's a 50 year span and then 70s to 2020 is 50 years. So maybe it just that's a good point over time. I don't know, but I mean, it's still weird. So weird. It's still very weird. But maybe it took longer to get to the skeletal fill. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. It's and I also I would like to ask like, I don't have the answer in front of me, but I would love to know what the deteriorating time span is of clothing. Like, if I was buried in a tux, how long until the tux is? I promise you, you can just google that real quick, then find out because I'd like to, if I'm, am I just bones and clothes for a while? Yeah, if you're wearing polyester. But if you're wearing a wool, I was probably going to go right with you. What about a linen or a hemp? I feel like hemp is going to go right with you too. That's where biodegradable I would say. Realistically, if I am getting buried, period, it would should be in tie-dye. I want that on the record. - Yeah, and that'll never decay, so. - If I, if I'm ever buried, and then someone finds me and I'm not in tie-dye, I'm telling you my last, my last wish is to then put tie-dye on the skeleton. - So it was like foul play, and I was like, I'm on the case, but no, you just want to change shirt. - And I didn't change your fucking shirt. - Not it. (laughing) - She was fucking, I'm touching your skeleton. - You wouldn't touch my skeleton? - No, what the fuck, no. No, I wouldn't touch your, you would touch my skeleton, you fucking freak. - If it were to help you, yeah. - Well, how would that help me? Don't touch my skeleton. - What if you weren't touching my skeleton? - What if you weren't in tie-dye, and that was your last request? You wouldn't put fucking tie-dye on. - You wouldn't at least drape it on me. - I'm naked, you're not gonna put anything on my naked skeleton that's so fucked up. - No, no, I'm touched. - I don't even want to hear it, no, no, no, not. - I'm all about consent. (laughing) - I consent to putting fucking tie-dye on my skeleton. (laughing) - It's right with you. - So now you're not, how about this? I don't consent to you not putting tie-dye on my skeleton, so you better fucking do it. - I don't consent to this collaboration, thank you. - It's like kind of fucked up, you don't want me to like, to rest easy, but okay, whatever. I mean, not at my, look, how about this? What if the skeleton is just bones? It's not like there's like anything rotting anymore. It's just bones. - Okay, that, oh my god, what have I had to thought? - Like, you're alive wrong enough that I have a skeleton. - I hadn't thought of like, it was still smelling like something. That makes it, like. - No, if I'm just like a cartoon skeleton, and there's nothing but-- - No, that's what I was imagining in the first place that I was already freaked out. And then you added like rotting flesh to the picture, and it didn't have a situation. - I don't know how to come back from this. - I think I was, would just be afraid like, you know, sometimes I touch a tree and I'm like, "Oh, it's talking to me." And so I think I just-- (laughing) - Oh, I'm weird, oh, okay. I would be more worried about like a spider web in your eyeball or something, you know what I mean? That'd be crazy, like a little cockroach comes out. - Oh my god, you're making it. Like, I never want to touch anyone's skeleton and you're making it worse. - Now, I'm thinking about it in terms of cartoons, where like, like, there's like little buggies and stuff in a skull. - Well, I'm thinking about it in terms of a human skeleton. - Interesting, okay, well, all our skulls wouldn't-- (laughing) - I'm not dressing your naked skeleton and I'm putting that out on the record right now. - If someone-- - Cancel me, try. Go ahead, do it, I don't care. - If someone digs up my body one day and there is not tie-dye, you know what to do. - Don't fucking come for me. - First you write an evil letter to Christine saying, "No, it's fine, you can tear." - Then you have a tie-dye party around my grave. - It's not my fault that you wore tie-dye hemp into your grave and it dissolved immediately. - That's a great point. Okay, first you have to find the toughest material possible and find that. - We have to find that. - Whatever they make the soil, what ever texica I would put in the soil over the cemetery, just weave that into the fabric. - Well, okay, so these two people, I'm assuming one was in a suit. He's the one holding the flower. And then there was a woman who had still very vibrant red hair and she was dressed in all black. And it was vintage clothing from the like 1880s. - So she was one of the first bodies there and looked fucking basically. - Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew. - Would you rather touch that body or just bones? If I look like me. - It's just what I'll say. - If I'm coming back up on. - No, I think it's the fact that it's you. Like I would touch another. - How? - I know. - No, I think I would touch it. 'Cause I would feel like, "Oh, that's invasive." Like I'm touching through your whole body. - I'm literally begging for it. - But like, okay. (laughing) - Oh my God, I don't know. It's now I'm re-evaluating everything. - Just know that if like a wherever in a situation where you had to, even if you didn't want to, know that I'm giggling the whole time. Like I'm like, "You're making. " - And you're fucking putting a worm in your own eye to scare me. You're like, you're trying to make it so much worse. - No, no. - If I really truly had to, yes, I would touch your skeleton. But I don't want to. - I don't want to. I really don't want to. - I do know what you mean though. It's kind of like kind of like a live show. - I would touch a string of it for people because it feels to be there. - Yeah, it feels like more fake. Like I'm like, "Oh, I'll touch your skeleton." But it's like, "Oh, I don't know who that was." And I've like severed ties. But if I touch your skeleton, I'm like, "Ah." - No, I know what you mean. - It's just weird. It feels invasive. - No, I know what you mean. 'Cause I would also, like if I, hopefully not, like saw like a diboddy. If I didn't have an emotional attachment to it, it'd be a lot easier to walk away from that place. - Exactly, exactly. - Yeah, that would be great. - It feels like a little more like too real. I don't know, I don't know. I mean, it doesn't feel real 'cause it's you've invented a cartoon scenario. But you know, in the case where I do have to redress your naked skeleton, I'll reconsider. I'll think about it. And I think I'll try. - You could pay someone else to do it. I just need you to be in charge of it. - Oh, I thought it was like, dare you. - I don't need you to hold me while you dress me. - I thought like, it was just like to touch the bones and that was the whole thing. Okay, I know I can handle it. I can handle it. - I'll do a whole ceremony. I will set up an entire ceremony. You know that, I promise. - Okay, that's fine. - Yeah, just afford the best. That's all I need to do. - And if you don't have to touch your rotting corpse, then someone else can handle it. - And if you had to do it with your own hands, you're allowed to say, oh, oh, oh, the whole time. I won't be able to sell it. - Okay, okay, okay. As long as you're not gonna be offended from the beyond. - No, no, I would be like, I get it. That's crazy. But like, this will be like so appreciated. - Okay, good, good, good. Then I can. - It's the font that counts. - That's fine. I can agree to that then. - So, okay, so, now to round this out, is where I tell you, so as we know it, there's about 50 bodies that were once buried here. And one of them being this randomly well-preserved woman in a full black vintage outfit. - Creepy chills. - She was one of the bodies that the construction workers didn't want anyone messing with. And so they re-buried her down by the lookings. - Yeah, they had good intuition, 'cause you know, you don't mess with that. You don't make her into the highway. Oh, that thing would happen if you turned her into a freeway, my friend. - She's like, I somehow beat the odds and still look this damn good, a whole century later, and you're gonna make me a road. - Myself and you built a fucking freeway ramp, I can't. - Honestly, maybe they had Justice Shitty values as they're project manager and they were willing to just toss the bodies in a burlap sack, but then they saw they were oddly preserved and they were like, this feels like a crucifixible. - The universe was like, actually it's not even worth it. You gotta be careful here. - Well, okay, so 50 bodies were once buried here, probably more still existing. They just haven't hit, you know, broken ground yet. But not only were they buried here, but all, most if not all, we're all unceremoniously relocated without any family consent, without any knowledge of it. And then on the property, they built the Hungry Hunter Steakhouse, which is now known as the Hunter Steakhouse. - Okay, okay, interesting. - And so this is known as a very haunted restaurant in the city. - Oh, I can only imagine. - It does have a plaque on the building commemorating the bodies that were found on the property, so at least we're acknowledging it. It's like the only proof anywhere of us acknowledging it. I mean, what are you gonna do? - Nothing, I guess. (laughing) - Put a black up. So most of the activities on the second floor, but throughout all the building, the doors slam open and shut by themselves. People here loud boots walking around. Objects move, there are power surges, where lights are flickering and electricity goes off for no reason. Chandeliers, which I spelled as Chandlers. - Okay. - Chandeliers swing on their own. There are windows upstairs that first of all have never been opened and people constantly feel drawn to stare out of. Ew, hate that. Things throw themselves across the shelves, wine bottles rearrange themselves, the fridge will lock itself shut. This one's for you. People say that they see a cowboy sitting at the end of the bar. - Well, well, well, well, well. I know we're pretty meeting sitting. - And Zee meeting you here. (laughing) - At this haunted stake house by the sea. - If it had to be haunted, it had to be you. - And then the bartender's like, she's been waiting here every day for six years for somebody, for somebody interesting. - Somebody here every year. - She's just desperate. (laughing) - She's unwell. - Apparitions are seen moving around by the fireplace so that can be a full body, that could be a face coming out of the chimney area. - Oh my gosh. - There are vague mists that come out, but there's something about the fireplace. - It feels like a portal, you know? Like that gives very portal energy. The fact that different shapes and things are coming out of the fireplace, so all things. - Exactly right. That is what one of the sources talked about. - Oh, excellent. A woman is seen in the storage area as well as near the stairs. And get this, she is seen in all black in 1800s vintage clothes. - I was a bow to ask. - Holy shit. - So I don't know if it is for sure the same woman that they found. - But there's just multiple, right? It could be a good point. - There could be any other woman in vintage black clothing. But I mean, that would make it fun. But I would say also like this is the most recognizable ghost you have an opportunity to like compare and contrast with. Like if her, how did no one take a picture in the 70s of this perfectly preserved corpse? - Well, you know somebody did and it's in someone's grandpa's photo box in the attic. You gotta go look folks. That's why you gotta be nosy. Please, just for me. - I love being nosy. - Do it for me. - Oh my God, I'll never stop being nosy. - There's probably a construction worker grandpa who took a photo and they were like, don't leak this anywhere. And I just put it in their stuff. - Yeah, something like that. But I wish that existed purely for science. So that way we had something to compare this woman too. So we would know if it was the same woman. - I wanna know for science. Everyone start digging in your grandma. I'm immediately pleased. - So, immediately. - People also claim to feel a hostile male presence as given intelligent EVP responses. One of them was get out, yikes. - Very intelligent. - Very intelligent. People also hear banging from the attic. The alarm system goes off at night by itself. Women hear someone whistling at them, and they also feel something touching them and playing with their hair. The credit card machine, I know, I can't stand it. - It gives me like, he be GBs. - Like, more or less than playing with my skeleton. (laughing) - Literally, as you could tell, nothing gives me more PBGB than the idea of playing with your skeleton. Thank you. Okay, thanks. - You know, it freaks me out. Remember earlier, when you said your brother gets you hot and bothered? (laughing) - Ayya! First of all, you are misquoting me. Slander, second of all, that was off the record. - That was before we started recording. Thank God. - Off the record. - So I said that and then I said, oh my God, that's not what I meant. I meant, I'm hot, I'm annoyed, and it really bothered-- - Keep it actually bothered, and it got you like warm. - I learned that the hard way in about software year of college, and it was incredibly embarrassing, okay? And I remember the moment I found out, I don't even remember what I said, but I said hot and bothered, and somebody in the room had to be like, Christy. - That's awful. - Yeah, I was and I was talking about something that was not meant, shouldn't have been in that context. - Like about your brother again or what? - I mean, like maybe, but it was probably more like, we were in class, and they were like, that you can't say that we're in a class, and that's a professor, and that's just, like you can't say that. - I just watched a below deck episode where I think she was French, but she clearly spoke another language before English, and she was trying to say I'm excited about something, and like, oh, I'm excited to like, be the bartender of this time around, and she told her the person in charge, where she's like, oh, I'm really horny about this. (laughing) - I feel like that's the vibe, it's like, is that not the phrase? You know, it feels very French. - The other person was like, nope, wrong word, wrong word. - Not "oo" at the startover. - No, to defend Christy, and she said, God, he just gets me so, nope. - No, God, no. - No, that's not nice. - Hey! - How did you phrase the end you ended it with? Oh, nope, I didn't mean to like that. - Okay, it wasn't even I said, I said, I have this other microphone here, and I was using the wrong one. - That's right, that's right. - It doesn't matter. - The idea does? - As I said, trying to quote you, I knew it was off. I knew it was off, but it got me going. It really made my day to end. - Yeah, I knew, oh man, I shouldn't have known. It shouldn't have known, it would come back. - It's okay, it was very funny. I kind of wish it had been recorded, so I needed to be sent here. (laughing) - Can't believe it. - Okay, so then the last thing I'm gonna say is that apparently the credit card machine at this place goes nuts and like, just freaks up by itself. People hear their names being called, all the time when they're alone in the building, and then there's a photo I want to show you, which is one of the servers. - It's you. - Show me, okay, you better tell me what it is. - I'm so afraid of any photographic evidence of this place. - I will say, I have earned your skepticism. So, thank you. (laughing) It's a, it said server, but it feels like this is someone who was actually a customer here, maybe both. There's a picture of a woman at the table, and there's a figure behind her, but nobody was behind her when the picture was taken. So, I'm sending you that picture right now. (gasping) - It's like a straight-up person, bro. - Absolutely not for that. - No, absolutely not even a little bit for any of this. - It's rather not. - I mean, that looks like great out, Matilda. Accidentally got out of her bed in the middle of the night and stumbled into the pilot where we're playing a card game and everyone's like, "Oh, that's just getting back to bed." - It really does look like, like she looks like they're in a gown, like a, like a night gown. - Yeah, she also looks like she's gonna stab me. I'm so afraid of her, holy shit. - It does look like right before in a horror movie where the camera would focus in on the other person. - Uh-huh. - It's just a blurry figure. - And the person at the table is just having a great old time with an A1 and a long island I see. - She has no idea. - She has no idea. - No idea. - Anyway, so that is the one of a cemetery in the "Hunderstake House." - That was fucking terrifying. Why am I so scared of that? - I don't know. I think you're right that it had some sort of, like, I don't know why it felt personal for some reason. - Yeah, it feels a little like weird. And like, I wonder what's going on with these people that are, and there's probably more people down there. - Well, the plaque even says that there's like, there's probably others that reside right here. - To places that, holy shit. - There's probably other ones. I mean, if you accidentally stumped, there wasn't a quote from like Captain Marvel, which like, even though that movie came out much later after a bunch of other superhero movies, it was the prequel, like, it was a prequel that was filmed. - Right. - You know what I mean? What you find out is that when they discovered Captain Marvel, they said like, there's gotta be others like her. We weren't even looking for her and we found her. And then because of that, they go seeking out all these other super people and create the Avengers. - Oh. - In my mind, it's a much sadder version of that, but they're like, we weren't even looking for any bodies and we found 50 and now you know. Like, there has to be the end of it, hundreds here. There has to be so many. At that point, I would just, I mean, part, I mean, I wouldn't because it'd be like, just disrespecting all the other bodies, but part of me would just be like, let's just scrape the whole land clean. - But you're just gonna be the great-- - What is the grating? Suddenly, you know, all about land grating. You're gonna grade the whole cliff side off. - You're right. Yeah, I don't know who's wrong with me. I certainly wouldn't build a steakhouse there. I'll tell you that. - I like that you're like, I'll throw the whole thing into the ocean, but I wouldn't build a building on top of it. - That feels wrong. - Yeah, no. I would just honestly just leave it the fuck alone. As soon as you find out that it was once a burial ground, why was anyone touching it? - 'Cause it's a fucking ace piece of property. Look around. - It was, I mean, it's a beautiful piece of property, I think. - I mean, I mean, I'm not saying, that's right. 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I imagine you know more about that than I do. - Because of Washington? - Yeah, the entire area, I don't know. says it's right north of Seattle. I'll tell you whenever I'm visiting my family on the highway, there are signs that direct me towards things that say Puget. Okay. Puget sound. I mean, I don't know nothing else. I listen to death cap for cuties. So, you know, I get the vibe, right? Perfect. So today, 68% of Snohomish County is forested land and at the time, much of the area was rural farmland. Walter Morris. Oh, my god. I'm telling you. Walter M. Oh, you got to write that down. Now that would be something else, brother. I'm literally writing Walter Morris down. And then if I ever stumble across it, that'll blow my mind. To write down episode 490, just so you're not like what the fuck is this? Yeah. Yeah. Like because otherwise, you'd be like, what the fuck? For the perfect. Whoa, that would be weird. But yeah, Walter again, remember we had Walter for a while, like stalking us on the show. There's always a Walter amongst us. Wow. So, Walter Morris and Kathy Goggle were out in the woods to practice shooting. And on their way, they had to stop because there was a large log blocking the road. So they get out of the car to move the tree. And when they look into the woods, they notice a body lying on the ground. When they approach to see if this woman is okay, she doesn't respond. And obviously, they can tell immediately something terrible has happened to her. She was lying on her back, wearing a pair of boots, long socks and underwear. Her blue jeans and other clothes had been removed and scattered on the ground around her. The couple noted a terrible wound on the side of her head, but she was still breathing. So there was no way to call for help. And leaving one person behind while the other went for help would have been dangerous because like if somebody had attacked this woman, they could still be in the woods, like hiding about a tree or they could come back. So instead, they carried her to the car, put her in the passenger seat and rushed to the nearest hospital. And while one of them drove the other one held the woman's head upright to try and keep her airway open, like that's how far gone she was. At the hospital, there was no way to identify the young woman. She didn't have an idea on her or any other personal belongings aside from her clothing. Now, we cut back two hours earlier when 20-year-old Jody Loomis left home to ride her horse, which was stableed on a nearby property four miles away. She was a middle child of three and she lived at home in Bothal. Everything pronounced there differently than I think it is. I agree. Same with Kray. I'm like the Midwest. Like, yes, like Versailles. Yeah, good old Versailles. Yeah. So hopefully, I'm saying the right Bothal. If not, please forgive me. Washington with her parents, Rose Mary and John senior. She had one younger sister named Jana and a fiance named Jim, whom her family really loved. And Jana actually considered Jim an older brother, so really part of the family. Her 27-year-old brother, John, was married and was kind of like living off with his own family. That day, Jody borrowed 12-year-old Jana's boots, her little sister's boots, and left for the stable on a bike. Jody, at this point, was an adult and her parents were fairly relaxed. They just kind of wanted her home by dark. And they're out in like rural area, you know, like they just let her go be with her horse and stuff. And it had never been a problem before. But when evening came around, you know, darkness falls. Jody is not home and immediately her parents are very concerned. Before she had left the house, it was family rules that you had to have a dime on you for the payphone in case something happened. And that was standard and she did have the dime confirmed it and she left. So having heard nothing long after dark, her family's freaking the fuck out. They start calling friends, hospitals, finally the police to report her missing. That's horrible. Even like, you have to imagine you're like hoping that she dropped the coin or used the dime on something else at some point. Like totally, totally, and like got lost or yeah, oh my god, I mean, just the just the dread. I can't imagine we're just so lucky in some ways that like just I can't imagine it's just a totally different world. Yeah, I can't imagine not having like find my not being just used to have to hope that people are fine. You just have to hope that people are. Yeah, now you can be like, oh, they're at the grocery store on fine, my friends or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, so after they call the police, the police show up at the door. And yeah, you don't like to see that. So the police arrive at the Luma's home to tell them they believe their daughter had been brought to the hospital earlier that day, grievously wounded and had since passed away. They believe in the car on the way to the hospital that that's where she died, which is just terribly. When she was being so up to breathe when she was like being taken to the hospital. So they had to have John senior the dad go to the hospital to confirm whether this was his daughter. So Jana later recalled the little sister in an interview that her mother collapsed on the floor. The whole family was horrified. Like she just went out to write her horses. She always did. And now she was dead. Jodi was positively identified in the hospital by her father. And shortly after her death, the coroner ruled that Jodi had been raped and that she had been killed by a gunshot wound to the head. Yes, fired from a 22 caliber handgun. So just in cold blood. Because Jodi was in her boots with one tide and the other's untied. And she seemed to have been shot from like an upper angle. They think that this attacker had raped her. And then as she was putting her shoes back on, had shot her. I made her think for a second like, okay, now you can go put your stuff on. Oh my god. I know it's a really horrendous detail. Detectives had bagged Jodi's boots as evidence and collected seminal fluid from her underwear. But you know, this was pre DNA technology. So they had almost nothing to go on forensically, especially this has been outside, you know. Instead, they focused immediately on witnesses, anyone who might have had the opportunity to kill Jodi that day. They of course questioned the fiance Jim, but he was at work and he worked at the hospital where she was brought. Oh my god. Yeah. And he didn't even know she was there until he was on shift and he didn't know she was there until she had already passed. Just mind boggling. Detectives then began questioning the rice family. They were the ones who rented the more than 1,000 acre property where Jodi's horse was stabled and where she was attacked and abandoned. So when police arrived on the property, 12-year-old Alan Rice was outside cutting wood with his father Ken Rice. They were both questioned. Of course, both denied having anything to do with Jodi. You would when it you, you know, just saying doesn't just convince me a much. But yeah, I feel like you have to assume everyone's going to say I didn't do it. Right. Like what's this what's this what's this man's word over anybody, you know, real diamond and the rough when someone goes, yep, you found me. Yeah, seriously, it's like, yeah, okay, sure Ken, whatever. I don't know, it just bothers me anyway. So they were like, no, we had nothing to do with any of it. And we had no knowledge of her presence on the property. Now Kendra Rice, her that's her maiden name was 14 years old. She has since changed her name to matured or macaro. She was 14 years old at the time and ran an outdoor fruit stand farther out on a busier road where she sold produce that her family grew on the farm. And she remembered seeing a young blonde woman go by on a bike and then later two men in a station wagon. So detectives question a group of men who sometimes met on the property that also went nowhere though. Now near the trail where she was killed, they discovered Jody's bike and a dime nearby. Oh shit. What? I mean, okay, I'm I know how this goes. This doesn't go well. I would like to think in that moment though I was hopeful that like everyone's got coins back then like that it could be any coin. Right. Wait, what? We found a dime next to the use of a shoe or a sock next to her bike. Oh next to her bike. But I would say like there was like loose change everywhere all the time back then. So like hopefully it's not her dime. Like hopefully just like I mean it it what well it ends up being her dime. I don't wait. Why would it matter though? Or would it matter? Like at the time I would be if I were her parents or something, I would be like hopeful that maybe it wasn't her dime as like more added evidences like okay, they found her bike next to coins. Well, they already have her bought. I mean, she's already dead. Yep. You're totally right. I was like, I feel like it's too late for any sort of and like I was literally right here when you told me that like her dad had to go like find the body and everything. I think I just blacked that out. That's okay. Okay. No, that does make more sense. Why you would not want it to be the coin. Yes, but unfortunately yeah, near where she was killed, they discovered her bike and a dime presumably the one that she had brought with her, but they never found the horse bridal that she had taken to the stable. So nobody knows what happened to that. Upon discovering a red jacket in the woods that belonged to the father Ken Rice, he was again questioned, but this time he admitted to having seen Jody on her bicycle, which made him the last known witness to see her alive. And he said he'd also seen these two hippie-ish men in the station wagon that his daughter had also described and that he'd heard motorcycles in the area. But he did maintain that he had not heard any gunshots and that even if he had people were shooting on the property regularly, so it wouldn't have necessarily raised an alarm. And at this point, even though they found her like his jacket with her did they found the jacket on the thousand acre property like in the woods but it wasn't like where she was attacked or anything like that it was just like in the general vicinity of the woods was that the um a ding ding ding ding for you or would that be like oh that's weird but for me like as a like if you were if you discovered that because I feel like I still think like well that doesn't feel like I mean if it's his land I don't think it's that weird yeah okay I think they were just combing the woods again and they were like hey we found your jacket so they questioned him again but the fact that he changed his story this time and said I did actually see her is like what was chirp alarming you know um and then confirming that he also saw two people or saying he saw two people in um a station wagon and very quickly they like kind of ran out of any evidence and the trail went cold um poor Jana the little sister was left with like no answers um and she'd always thought of jody as like her big strong older sister right so now it's like how could somebody not only hurt her but like kill her and we just don't even know who it is jody had been a lover of the outdoors animals people like she had been very um vocal about standing up for like the underdog so at one point like people she saw someone shooting pigeons just for fun and she like intervened you know um and she had a very like a personality of authority is how Janet described it and so then when she just winds up leaving the house for a few hours and is dead it was like such a shock to her system um and she even when she uh intervened with that person shooting the pigeons she actually brought one of the wounded pigeons home and rehabilitated it she was also an artist she sold her carvings at local shops um and Jana said she was everything an older as an older sister that Jana strived to be as a person and that just got to me um and now suddenly she her her little sister Jana and her best friend Pat are like in this like void of her absence and no answers no closure in the years following jody's killing there were several times detectives did follow up on tips they went entertaining multiple possibilities but everything kind of like faltered out one of the tips they investigated was a motorcycle gang called the reaper the reapers road men and i'm not laughing at them please i'm so scared they're like first of all they're listening to our show and then they think the cigar to their mouth and go what the hell do you call us i'm like i'm so scared the motorcycle gang um the reapers roadman and there no joke one of the roadman apparently reported to police that other roadman had described the rape and murder of a young woman with a 10 speed bike and it sounded like jody's story so he reported this um nope apparently just another story or you know sure another victim or whatever exactly exactly um one of the roadmen had actually shot who was talking about this this attack this rape had actually shot aimlessly at a passing train and had struck the conductor and his weapon was a 22 caliber pistol which is a same that was used to murder jody so they were like okay there is some substantive stuff here but upon FBI analysis it was not the murder weapon for a minute they thought maybe it was Ted Bundy but he was in a different part of the country and years would just pass and the lumi's family preserved jody's room just as it was when she died which always is so eerie and haunting and tragic i think i do the exact same thing but i know i know how to it's like a memorial yeah i wouldn't either um so i mean i don't know what i would do but like yeah i imagine i would probably do something similar um let's see years past her death haunted them as well as the wider community because the killer was never caught um it also haunt well at the time it also haunted Kendra rice nay rice who was certain that her brother Alan the 12-year-old at the time could not have been involved but in the back of her mind she had this nagging thought that her dad may have been capable of something so horrible um that's wharf i mean any yeah yeah i totally believe heard that there must have been signs for her to think that but also i i imagine if there was a family tragedy like this it does make you question everybody all of a sudden you're like yes well here's here's your answer he'd made comments about uh women in her childhood especially while watching tv and said um and said she said in an interview that because of what she had personally experienced at his hand she could not be sure that he wasn't involved um her father sexually abused her and her sisters um they used to padlock their bedroom doors the daddy's to padlock their bedroom doors um and so you know she's like well he wasn't he treated me this way like who's to say that he didn't do this to someone else um and something even worse and and killed her uh 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cold case unit was reviewing the case it had been 32 years by this point um and they were confident because they had this um seminal fluid from her underwear they were confident that they could use DNA technology now to leave them to a suspect then the family immediately got a call that oh oops they've actually lost all the evidence so we don't even have it and i'm like could we have waited a minute to make sure we fucking have the evidence everything from yeah it's like why would you even say we have this like substantial collection of i mean i'm not like blaming that i'm sure there was just a reason for how it was i mean if you're this mad imagine the parents being right exactly like talking about a fucking letdown you know i mean it's just crushing they were like completely destroyed right and they because they like their hope it's just like you're being strung along you know um so three years later in 2008 uh they were able to actually recover DNA from fluids on jody's left boot so they were able to find more um evidence the DNA was submitted to kodis but there was no match which means that whoever had done this had not been caught for anything in all this time you know and their DNA had not been entered into the system and jana said at this point it was so devastating because she didn't know if she'd ever see the face of the person who murdered her sister she kept holding on um and waiting for any break in the case um there was a tip about the stable owner where the what where the horse was kept um and his wife had been one of jody's friends but he had made like upsetting sexual comments to jody enough that her father had actually gone over there and confronted the man um and he had no alibi uh but when they did a DNA test on this now elderly man he was ruled out um they again asked ken and alan rice and both submitted DNA samples but neither of them matched so kendra was like relieved um to be rid of the anxiety that her father had done this um and was able to let that go finally thankfully um but the family of course is still waiting it was still waiting for answers the at this point so detectives began filing warrants and just taking DNA from everyone ever considered in the case down to individual members of the reapers wrote men in 2018 it had been 46 years since jody was murdered and the coroner the original detectives on the case all of them had since died but jody's mother rosemary was still alive and jana was caring for her in her old age hoping that maybe there was a chance like rape of sure you know in the last few years waiting a whole life and hoping and then as the sister being like this is the last chance to like give her some peace um so it was that year when detectives on jody's case learned about our favorite forensic genealogy which of course we've talked about a lie on the podcast he sent the DNA profile to a genetic genealogist who spent, as M was even talking about doing the mystery work, spent 58 hours in three days, which like it takes somebody with our effed up brains to do shit like that, but it really. - It goes a long way. - When you get in that zone, and it's like 50 hours and three days, like, hello, we know what that is. Okay, it spent 58 hours and three days, digging for suspects, led to a trail of seven children, the Miller family, six sons, one daughter, unfortunately, not one son and six daughters, it would have made it easier to narrow down the seminal fluid, but anyway, the investigative team believed one of the sons was Jody's killer, that's how close the match was. And when they, I know, I can't believe it. When they looked into the family, they discovered that one of the brothers, 77-year-old Terrence Miller had a criminal history and he had been arrested for sexual crimes against children, but he was free to go as long as he completed counseling. - I can't. - I mean, like. - Okay. - I can't. So he was all at this point, or at 77. - 77. - And I was just trying to think like, would it even be worth it for him to go to jail, but yeah, I think 77 still has a lot. - Oh, I'm so glad you said that, just wait a moment. - Okay. - Is that, wow, yeah, you really psychic today. So he was also accused of sexually abusing his own children and then his grandchildren. Certain that Terrence was Jody's killer, investigators began to follow him. A la Golden State Killer waiting for him to leave his DNA somewhere. - Like he was destined at this point to interact again. - Well, no, no, they were looking for his DNA. - I get it. I'm sorry, I should have looked up actually. - That's like very criminal minds. They're like, wait, they're like planting. - Like waiting for him to plot again. - You just meant like for them to leave DNA somewhere. - So leave DNA somewhere yet. Like when the Golden State Killer, they went through his trash and all that. So they got that opportunity. August 29, 2018, when he drank coffee in a casino through the cup in the trash, police swooped that bad boy up, sent it to be tested, fucking ding dong, match confirmed. - Good. - Janna told her mother the update and that investigators were so close to catching the man who killed Jody and they now knew who it was and Rosemary was beaming all night long. - Oh, good. - I know. So after building the case against Terrence for months, which was difficult because the original corner and detectives were dead and couldn't be brought to the stand, obviously, on last, I'm just kidding. Authorities announced his arrest in 2019, which was 47 years after Jody's murder. And this was a shock because he was now living in Edmund's Washington, which was like really close to what he had done almost 50 years ago. - That's crazy. - And the lead sheriff's brother and his brother's wife had been on the same bowling team for six years. Yeah, like this was like someone, talk about pillar of the fucking community bullshit. - Part of you wonders like is it just because it was a small town or is it like was he kind of doing the whole, like you always run back to the scene of the crime and was he like trying to hide it up around. - I know. - And we're on the case to hear what's going on. - I mean, it seems like he just kind of hung around the area, but I don't know. - Yeah, you don't know. - Yeah, he's always so sinister, though, because if I committed anything that could put me in jail, I would be on the other side of the country. - I would have left the country. - He's literally been gone too long for a sexually assaulting his own children and grandchildren. So I'm like, seems like he's kind of free to do whatever he wants. It feels like, but yeah, so finally they, people were shocked, I guess. People are always shocked, you know, it's just something. 78-year-old Terrence pleaded not guilty. Wow, big of him to one charge a first-degree murder. And he gathered his assets to make the nearly $1 million bail and he was allowed to go home to take care of his wife who had suffered a stroke. So the trial commenced in October of 2020. Janna recalled Terrence being stoic throughout, but she looked him in the eye. She said, when you're looking at someone you think murdered your sister, you're gonna look them right in the eyes. And she said that on the stand. During the trial, it was very surreal because Janna was able to see her boots in person for the first time in the other 50 years after loaning them to her big sister that day to go ride horses. She's just like, wow. The prosecution made their closing arguments on Friday, November 6th. The jury reconvened Monday, November 9th and guilty, guilty verdict, but he would not be imprisoned for what he did because that morning he had died by suicide. - Shut the fuck up. - He had shot himself with the same type of gun he had used against Jody, 22 caliber pistol and the jury was not informed because they wanted like a pure deliberation and they wanted the answer. And so Terrence's attorney was like, well, no. Like, and they were like, well, no. Whether he's alive or not, doesn't diminish the verdict. They had the evidence that they had. And yeah. - So yeah, at least there was the verdict, but. - At least he was found guilty, I guess, but. - I know, I know. - Suffer zero percent for it. - Yeah, the defense accused Walter Morris, one of the people, remember Walter, one of the people who had discovered Jody in the woods of being involved because his story about the day had changed with confusion over whether he and Kathy were like going shooting or picking berries. And she said, death seemed preferable to letting a jury decide a verdict on tainted evidence. This is a terrible tragedy that began with Jody Loomis's death and is compounded by an innocent man taking his own life. But the prosecution was like, no, it's not the guy who was going berry picking. It was this fucking monster, okay. Jody's family was like happy about the answer, but also like you said, frustrated. Jody's older brother, John, said, he got away with it for 48 years. I was so glad they finally got him, justice was almost done. And Janice said that after the conviction, she felt like she could finally breathe. She had not written horses for years since Jody's death and she began writing horses again with her own daughter and she just felt like a bit of a weight lifted and she said, I miss her for all my years that I had with her and for all the years that I didn't have with her. And that is the story of Jody Loomis, just pretty tragic. - It's a, yeah. That's a, I'm glad that they found the guy and like the family got closure. Like I can't be mad about that. - And I hope it fucking scares the shit out of every other motherfucker who's out there as a grandfather. - It really is one of those-- - Bowling League, you fuck, you know? - Well, it was one of those cases just in the timeline of things that like, it sounds like it all started before DNA was something that he even had to consider. - Yep. - But they're shaking in their fucking boots now, these fuckers, you know? - Then again, I would also be terrified of ever leaving my DNA anywhere, all of a sudden. - They're not terrified, they're monsters. - It's crazy that they're just so confident in all of this. - Just brazen. - It's crazy. - Like they get away with it. - The fuck that part too is like he was kind of right for a long time, he got away with it for a long time. Like, it's still horrible. - He's gonna be paying some karmic justice. - Good storytelling. - I see that every time I, there's no other positivity I can give, but. - Well, thank you. I'm feeling super hot and bothered by this weather. So, I'm sorry, I don't know why I brought it up. I just really, it was so silly and no one else got to hear it. And I just felt like-- - I know, you really were disappointed we weren't recording when I said it, so. - It was so funny, it really made my day, so. - Oh my god, it was like the first thing I said after not seeing you for two weeks, so it was really unfortunate. - I knew when you said it, I knew what you meant, but it just. - And it was like coming out of my mouth and I went, "It's not, not it, not what I was going for." - It really tickled me. I just wanted everyone else to also be tickled. - Okay, well, thank you for listening to our podcast. You can find us every Sunday or the first of the month for a listeners episode. And you can check us out at ATWPodcast or and that'swaydrink.com. - And? - That's why we-- - Drink. - We're going to talk about the first episode of the year, two or three weeks. We're going to talk about Shopify, because we're going to be able to make a lot of money for the company. We're going to be able to make a lot of money for the company, and the front end, and then we'll be able to make a lot of money. We're going to be able to make a lot of money for the company, and we're going to be able to make a lot of money for the company, [MUSIC]