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I've told you guys before that I got Alison, well, I tried to surprise Alison with this cobblestone fireplace for the house, and I got it from Wayfair. It's very, very cute, very witchy, very spooky. I feel like underneath the right thick ceiling beams, real or fake. It would look incredible. And by the way, those beams were also on Wayfair. But now it has been moved into what will be the spook easy of our house. And I'm not allowed to see what they're doing in there. Alison and her parents have been working on that day in and day out. And I know that the fireplace has become like the centerpiece that they're working the whole thing around. So I'm very excited to see how it turns out. Wish me luck. I'm hoping it's going to look as spooky as promised. I will take pictures when I finally can see what's going on. All I know is that that fireplace became the focal point of the entire room. 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Wow I only say court just because I I just finished up looking at my notes and a court jester is involved so they're very on very on my mind right now well I was thinking about the notion of clowns anyway but yeah that works do I think you have like like Gemini's being like funny but kind of like that's not all they are you know. Thank you want to say last time we contain multitudes oh my god yeah let's let's talk about that again yeah everyone who just listen to the last episode and is like. Going through these in order is like not no I just we just did this pick another astrological sign and talk about it for a half an hour please keep all of it in. Please don't I mean it's really in sufferable I know I know well tell me Christine how is your little life going on over there. I gotta say things are in a people I mean I think it's just one of those years where we hit June and everybody I mean correct me from wrong but in my part from my perspective. We hit June and I went wasn't what's supposed to get like. Resolved and like put into place and like weren't wasn't just just like with the bigger picture of the the government in the world like weren't we supposed to get. Moving and get things were and it's like how are we halfway through the year and I still feel like this years kicking my ass like last year did yeah but I don't know part of me feels like June is kind of like the like we're like. Getting back I feel like I can take a breath again I don't know there's something like. Yeah there's something like a shift to the second half of the year I don't know that's that's making me feel a bit calmer about that but what I will say is that I I have a beverage here today. A special one I mean it's it's my new favorite thing and it's. Tell me I shouldn't be ordering this multiple times a week because it is expensive but it is a reform juicery it's a morning jolt. And my friend Izzy and I go for like mom walks sometimes on Mondays and she walks me to that place and I get that and we did that yesterday and then today it's all I could think about all morning and so I had to get another one. I mean I get I mean there's a reason I have way too many one and fog sent out to the house you know what I mean yeah and it's like it was like $12 and I was like boy, but you know what I am not. I'm struggling with my appetite lately well by the way as a side note the reason I drink is I. Had it really looked at my DMs and then the episode came out Sunday and I know a lot of people probably rightfully so skipped my half because it was just about astrology wasn't like like true crime astrology but it wasn't like you know a story so I know some people probably weren't into that but I did discuss my recent sobriety and so for those who were confused about what I'm going to say in a moment that's what happened in the last episode nearing the end you can catch up on that. But a lot of people wrote me and you had said that M and I was like yeah maybe but like I really feel very touched by the amount of people who reached out and had similar stories or just like. I mean even what was most touching were people who were like I like you said like I was waiting for some sign or something to push me in the right direction and like that was it or you know you really spoke to part of me I wasn't. I was neglect and there were a lot of really just kind. And grateful sentiments that that really were lovely to read and I have not gotten back to all of them I've ever wanted to do a few and I do plan to go through them but that's going to probably be like a you know a process of like. Taking my time and going through each one individually but so anyway I bought my warning jolt that was my little special F L F L T for today. And that's why I drink so cheers what is that why you drink also just to milkshake oh my god it's like to milkshake holy shit. And I don't know what to call the show anymore that's why I thought but also that I can confirm are you drinking something right now. Actually I think we did that on purpose we were like that's we did for any but because you never drink during the show so it's like oh it covers both so it was just affecting just drinking calories period we never defined what we were drinking specifically. String we did like often we defined often but you know it was always I choose to rebuke that. Actually just because it doesn't fit my current narrative are you actually your fucking drink matches my NPR crop top literally. By the way NPR crop top it gives bisexual happy pride everybody. I know by the way it's the most bisexual shirt I own of course I'm a muscle tea like okay to one time. And then I buy like my $11 smoothie and I'm like who are you. I know and I live in Kentucky so it's like way more affordable than doing this in LA like some people do sure that drink would be $29.99. Yeah yeah yeah I don't have any sort of no that's not happening but yeah well to be fair though they have a bunch of different straws so they sent this one they picked it they must have known. They said I've been a bit old bisexual is going to be is going to be in their orange blue crop top muscle tea. How could it really be the fact that you're biceps your tattooed biceps are showing it is pride and she is loud today everybody. Are you okay. You're choking on your drink okay. I will, I will, I will, I will, I will. - Don't get it twisted, it was. - Yes, happy pride to everybody, by the time it comes out, it has good pride for probably a little bit. But for us, we're only on day two of pride, so we're. - I know, you know, this comes out later, but you're right, like, our energy right now is so very Gemini, and I feel like it'll blast through the airwaves when this comes out, even though we'll probably be nearing cancer season, if not in it already, so I'm sorry. - So, but like, yeah, we're on one, and we are one to 24 to 48 hours, respectively, from our birthdays right now. So, you know. - That's exactly right. Like, this is the, I would argue, this is the most energetic weekend of the year for us. It's like, yeah, the games are happy. Our birthdays about to happen. Like, what else could there be? - There's like this terrible synergy. It's great for us, but terrible for everyone else. - We're just like, like, mentally unwell, and like, you know, feeding each other. - Like a cartoon drawing of a twister is coming through. - Totally, totally at me level. - We so, you know, we so, you get it. - You get it. - Happy pride. - Well, I'm happy for you and you're a little jolt. I take it, there's coffee on that, if it's called jolt. - Oh, of course, called brew, and it feels so good. - You can feel it coursing through your big by-dains. - You know, it's fucking wine, but hey, you know, you lose some and you lose some, so here we are. - Well, what do I have to say over here? I drink a can of AZ, which we both have really delightful, like, aesthetic drinks today. I like this. - I favorite to think about this. And by the way, let me tell you now. Let me guide you on your journey through sobriety. This is now-- - Please do. I've been waiting for someone to-- - Welcome to Drinking 101. This is your, now, this is your tall boy. This is the closest thing to tall boys you get. You get Arizona green teats, okay? - You know, I'll take it. - It's pretty fucking great. - I, like, I have found that quitting drinking has brought me back to a lot of my teenage interests, right? Because it's like before I started drinking. Like, I loved Arizona. Like, that was what Selene and I would go get every day. And it's like, oh, I can go back to those things. They're still there waiting for me. - I'm the protocol. - It's outside. - And Jesus has arrived. - Jesus, how quickly I escalate to like a God complex. It's kind of amazing. - You literally warned people just now that something was in the air and then you called yourself Jesus and you expect people to be shocked. - I mean, I told you. I tried to warn you. - And I'm fine with that. I noticed how you said that you're the protocol son and I didn't fucking say anything about it. - You're exactly right. - That's right. Can you do that? - You're right to do that. - Thank you. - No, I totally agree with you. You worded it in a way that I wouldn't have thought of it, but you're totally right that by having never drank, I still have the, and you now also have the childhood whimsy back. - Yeah, there's like a reclaiming of the whimsy. - Yeah. - This was the closest to like getting fucked up. We could do it 16 and it's like, - Totally. - Now I get to get fucked up on it. - It wasn't, but it was as far as I knew it was. - What a wine cooler. - Right, like I don't know. I'm like, there were kids doing stuff, but not me, yeah, I was getting fucked up on the iced tea and going, I can't sleep 'cause I had too much caffeine. - And I did it with your jolt as well. - Oh my God, yeah, exactly. That's my vice. - Well, okay, so I drink my, my tall boy, and I just took my meds, so everybody please take your meds. - Oh, it's fantastic. - Oh, my God, right on time today, for the first time in weeks, and I felt like I was like, I'm aligned, you know? (laughing) - Yeah, you start with, I'm Jesus, and then you went, my shoppers are aligned because I took my prescribed medication. - I took it for one time at the exact right time, yeah. And you know what, it was a beautiful moment. - I believe you, I do know what it feels like when your body is actually responding well to your choices, that feels good. - Yeah, it's because it's a little bit in shock, and then it's like, can I get used to this? And you're like, hmm, careful. - Hang on. - Not yet, not yet. - Well, the reason I drink is, Allison took me, I already celebrated my birthday this weekend. - Oh yes, where did you go? - Okay, I, we went to a little town a few hours away. I was scared because I just never know what's gonna happen when I hear a lot of rejects. - We have a great experience. - And I even asked in advance, I was like, will there be a hotel? Because sometimes it's the ground. And I went, is it, is there a hotel? And even that-- - Is it a, bring your own pillow. - Thank you. - EYOP. - EYOP. - Yeah. - And Allison was hesitating, and I was like, girl, please don't make me sleep on the ground for my birthday, please don't do this. Allison fucking nailed it. This is what happened. But she, the reason she was hesitating is because what she was trying to avoid was that this was a bit of like a themed motel situation. So she could really say anything. - Oh, so it was like to, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get you, get you, get you. - So we went to Idol Wild, which is about three hours from us. - Beautiful. - You have heard about Idol Wild before, because I've told you that there's a certain mayor there I've always wanted to meet. - I have heard of Idol Wild. In fact, I had not, I-- - Oh, the head! - The law. - The pa-- - No, is the law. - The pa? - Is the law. - This is mayor Max when he was a puppy. - And I got to meet the mayor. - Oh, Idol Wild. - You know, it's a, so-- - First of all, I'm so, this is the, my brain is a little bit short circuiting. That's remarkable. - Nailed it. - Out of the park. - I knocked it out of the fucking park. - She found out that mayor Max was having an event, a meet and greet. And then we drove three hours to meet a dog. We couldn't tell Hank, of course. That would have been so down the same to him. - Oh, my word, no. - So we were going to go see the other cutie pie. We, I got to meet him in his whole little gang because if you follow mayor Max, you know that it's not just mayor Max, there's also vice mayor Meadow. There's co-meyer Mitzi. There's deputies. There's all these puppies everywhere. Oh, just a golden retriever party. And so we got there. Mayor Max was in his cowboy hat and his bib, his little bandana. - Dog. - It's had mayor Max, of course. - Of course. - We got to take so many pictures with him. I got to touch his ears and I'll tell you, thick as thieves, those ears. - Oh. - Thick. - Oh my god. - I love it. - We were like, I love it. - We were trying to come up with, I never felt a thicker dog ear, which is such a weird thing to take away from. - I'm not so svelvity soft. - All I wanted to do here, your mayor Max. This is all I wanted to do, mayor, mayor Max. You know what I mean? - Yes. - But I wasn't going to do that to the mayor. So I just kind of gave him a pet, grabbed his little ear and said, hello. - And wow. - That's what you would do to any other mayor. - That's why I did to you when we first met. - That's right. And that's what I said. - Got it. - Got to sign up for this. - Sign me up. - Whatever it is I'm in. - But I would do that to any mayor. You're right. And I was shocked. There wasn't a shirt that said like, I got to kiss the mayor or I touched the mayor's relationship here. The mayor kissed me. The mayor licked me. You know, there's so many options. - So many, I scratched the mayor's butt. I rubbed the mayor's tummy. - Did they just ask you for a friend? Did they sell any crop muscle to you? That if you look vaguely bisexual and heathered in appearance? - In acid wash. - Yeah. - Yeah, acid wash, heathered appearance. Like it looks like it's rifted, but it's obviously not. - You know, so I was expecting to get a shirt. As soon as I found out that I was saying mayor Max, because I-- - Of course. - I looked, they do have shirts on the website. And I was like, I always almost bought a shirt. And then they didn't have any shirts there. So they only had magnets and stickers. Obviously, I bought one of each. And then I got the hat, paused the law. - I bet the shirts are hard 'cause you would need like different sizes. - Size is, you wouldn't know. - Yeah. So anyway, we did that. And while we were in idle wild winds up spending the night there, and that's when Allison sent me to this like out of control and saying wonderful motel called Hicksville Pines. - Ooh, I need you to Google her. - Okay, okay, okay, I was hoping you'd say that. - So there's like 10 different rooms or something at each of them are themed. We got Haunted Mansion, which was so fun. - Shut the fuck up. - And like our bathroom had a secret passageway to get to the bathroom. And the walls had like the stretching wall that you have at the Haunted Mansion in Disney. - Get out of here. - They had the statues and they all glowed at night and played music inside. - The Haunted Mansion, oh my God, it looks so cool. - It was very cool. And that place, they also had like a dolly themed room. They had a 420 room. - It came into the 420 room. - Oh, it's literally just like an A frame full of black clothes. - I have shoes. - I'm actually just gonna Pinterest this real quick. - And they're just like so homeless. - I don't know if you noticed, but it's called a bud in breakfast, not a bed in breakfast. And so when you get there and they give you your room, okay, they also give you complimentary pot. - Wait, what? - She literally was like, oh, I forgot your weed and just handed us a bunch of weed. (laughs) - And you're sure it wasn't like a weed from Idle Wild. - That would be funny. - It's just like a piece of grass. No, oh wow, that's, I like that there's a what to expect. And I'm like, usually you wouldn't click that, but it sounds like a place like this, you gotta click what to expect. - It was incredibly 420 friendly. - Oh my God, dog friends. - Breakfast party morning munchies. - Yeah, so the breakfast that we had, they, it's a bear want to leave. I was so stupid, it didn't occur to me. I was like, oh my God, can it up? Like I literally, I just thought it was the fucking maple. - Oh my God. - The canada. - I thought it was a maple leaf. It didn't occur to me that it was green. - It was green. - And then the candle that they gave me, because it was my birthday, they made it look like a little joint sticking out of it. It was very-- - Oh my God, that's adorable. So it was, we obviously are not. - This looks cool. - We're not smokers, but it was, so we weren't there for that theme, but it was still super cool and they had a whole, they had a communal fire pit house. You could also sit in there and have a fire, they had a hot tub. they had ping pong, they had a whole like wreck area that was open 24/7 so you could play any games in a jukebox. It sounds lovely. It was very very wonderful. So anyway, Alston nailed it, we did that, we hit some like Route 66 roadside attractions along the way. Went to the original McDonald's. Nice. Went to a glass museum, saw some uranium glass. Not a single celery vase. In that glass museum that I saw, yeah, shocking. Weird. Anyway, so Alston killed it. I got to meet the mayor. I'm so happy for you. That is literally a bucket list. It's a good time. Yeah. Yeah. So if anyone's -- If anyone's ever in Idol Wild, they also have one in Joshua Tree, I think, but Hicksville Pines, I just want to give them a big chat out because it was awesome. So Yeah, I mean, I'm in for the 420 room. Sounds fun or for all of it. Yeah, they also have like a nerd-themed one, which sound cool. Anyway, yeah, that's why I drank. I had a very nice V-Day and that's about it over here. So yeah, I don't know. I guess we just tell stories now. I don't -- Wait, you wanted to say -- you wanted to tease a yappy hour situation. Oh, that's right. Okay. What were we talking about? Oh, you asked. Remind me what I was going to tease about. No. So you had said, we were doing an ad for story worth and off -- like, off-air, you kind of said to me, oh, I would send this to you and ask a question -- like, filling your own question, ask you to tell the story of your stepmom buying the bear. And I said, well, and I realized, oh my gosh, this will be perfect for yappy hour because I actually think I can find the news articles that actually mention it and talk about the event in the local news from that time period. So I'm going to try and do that during the app hour and pull up like actual news articles. Not to prove it, but just to be like -- No, I want to know. -- This is the context of what happened. And I don't know all of it either. So like, I could learn a thing or two. But so -- Yeah, my stepmom bought a bear. Sorry, if you're like, what the fuck is going on? I am too, but there M is too, but my stepmother bought a bear -- or my stepmother's brother bought a bear off account in a catalog. Yeah, when they were kids, sorry, when they were kids. -- And I know we talked about it before, but I was like, yeah, when we were talking about story worth, I was like, if I want to story memorialize it all because I strongly forget the nitty gritty details. I want -- Yeah, we want to -- we want to solidify this. We want to get this in writing. -- Yes, exactly right. -- And I'm so thankful that you brought that up. So I'm going to look -- I've been meaning to look into the news articles for like years, and I'm pretty sure they're they're on the in the archive. So I'm just going to pull it up during the yeah, PR and C if I can find it. So -- Perfect. 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Well, my story for you is haunted castle in Ireland or Ireland. I'm not going to try. -- Well, I did. -- I'm not going to do it again though. So, I thought that was pretty good, but I'm the one who said glass gal instead of glass go. So it's okay. We're evenly matched. We both said very silly things, haven't we? -- Super silly, super silly. I remember one time we had a show. I think it was in, was in Minnesota. And I remember saying, I was Wabasha caves and apparently was Wabasha or something. And the whole audience screamed, "Wabasha!" And I'm like, "Oh!" So in the moment, it is probably the worst. It is like I living stupidest person on earth. -- Everyone's screaming at you. It's like a nightmare where you've like forgotten your lines on stage, but the audience is suddenly shouting and they're also drunk and you're like, "Oh, the line's better than you." -- Yeah, they know the line, right. Well, okay. So this is an Irish castle. It's called the Malahide castle. And let's crack into it. Let's crack into it. That was good. -- Now that was nice. Okay. -- How's it really good one? -- Just another reason that we are big AZ fans over here. -- Yeah, I love that. -- Okay, so Ireland, when the Dublin area, and this is a 12th century castle owned by the Talbot family, and they've owned this castle for almost 800 years. -- Oh, Jesus. Wow. That talk about inheritance. Real quick, also a side note, before people like tweeted me at my PT late, and also I got locked out of Twitter, and it doesn't even exist, so I don't know why I'm saying that. But yeah, I know Glasgow is in Scotland just saying that. -- Okay. But when I gave that example, I meant like as someone who doesn't know how to pronounce even like very obvious things. -- I think we can just realize it made a sound like I don't -- I know one or two things sometimes. -- Okay. I promise. -- But not always. -- I try. I'm really trying. -- We can't be experts in every field. It's exhausting to do that, trust me. -- Oh, well, you've tried. So the Talbots have owned, or they owned this castle for almost 800 years. And when I say almost, I mean, 791, why the fuck didn't you live here for nine more years? -- Do you think that killed them? Because someone like me was like, no, I think it's funny, or to just leave right before you. -- Wow. And it really pissed you right off. That was us in the past time. I feel it in my bones. That was us. I was like, actually, I'm going to make the least end like two days before. -- Like the eight hundred. -- Truly, I'm just like, you were so close. -- That's hilarious. -- At that point, shit. Like why not just stay 200 more years, and it's a thousand years? Like what? -- Well, you know, you're right. Why not just like perpetuate this responsibility through a couple more generations? -- Thank you. -- So that just you now in this moment can go, thousand years sounds pretty good. -- I'm so glad you saw it that way. That's exactly what I meant. So the Talbots, they lived for seven hundred and nine and one years. They lived in this castle up until the 1970s. So like very recently. -- Holy crap. So they really just had to, oh, I was going to say they had to make it to the year 2000. Then I went, "You need to get it together. You need to actually. " -- Well, they only need to make it to the 1980s to make it today quiet, to make it pay. -- Okay. No, what? Yeah. Oh, yeah, okay. Exactly. Why couldn't you just do this for me? -- Got it. -- Hang on. -- What's the matter with you? -- Thank you. I finally, okay. So they lived in this castle up until the 1970s when they sold it to the Irish government to pay off inheritance taxes. -- Oh. -- Whoopsies. -- So they were like, well, maybe my ancestors should have thought about that before saddling us with all this tremendous debt. -- 800 years of inheritance taxes. -- So they're almost 100 year ownership of the property makes the Talbot family one of, if not the, longest continual land-owning families in Ireland. -- Geez. -- Which I should have looked this up, but who has lived there longer? Because like I feel like they win. Like the fact that they're one of is like, who else is there? -- I know. Talbot's J. Jill. -- J. Jill? What the fuck are you saying to me? IDK by BFF Jill Talbot, who owns a castle? -- I keep flopping. My jokes have been flopping all week, and I think it's because-- -- I'm sure it's a strange example, and it makes me think that like my, I'm saying what I'm saying, and I'm not. Okay. What I was trying to say is, do you remember that -- No, I've never heard of J. Jill. -- Well, it's like Talbot's the store. That would have been hysterical if I knew what J. Jill was. That would have been fun. -- Somebody did, hopefully, but the other, I couldn't think of another example. -- J. Crue? -- J. Crue is black market. J. Crue is good too, but I meant J. Jill. Antaylor is a better one. I should have said Antaylor. -- What's the other one? Clay, Clay-- -- Yeah, there's one other to see. -- Whatever. Talbot's J. Jill is a very funny joke. I just didn't know the reference. -- No, I appreciate that you still laughed, though. I mean, you really did laugh because you were like, I bet it's funny. I just don't know what that is. So thank you for giving me that grace. -- I don't think you've ever flopped. It's truly anytime I haven't understood one of your jokes. It's on me. It's not because you're not funny. -- Can I tell you the joke that flopped, which because like I've now gotten kind of my brother it was-- I felt on my side and then I think he defected because I asked him to verify that he was on my side in front of Blaze, and then he kind of like, yeah, it was a problem. You switched kind of to Blaze's side and I felt a little bit like, hey, guys. The extra kick in the crotch there is that like, he was like ready to be loyal to whatever the fuck was going on. And then you still publicly went out, prove it. And he's like, I know. I know, and that's my dumb fucking, I can't shut the fuck up, it's true. He was like, I was going to help you out, man. He was like, I gave you the validation you sought, okay? And now don't make me like get involved in an argument between you and your husband about whether you're funny or not, like just fucking, come on, no, and Blaze never said that. This was just me trying to insist that my joke landed and clearly the more I get mad about it, the less funny it's going to be. But the basic gist of it was somebody I was speaking to said, I said, oh, grow, they grow marijuana. And I saw this and I like DMed and said, oh, that's such a cool hobby. I would love to learn that someday. And this is one of Blaze's friends. So I'm like, oh, I just saw this. So this person responds and says, oh, yeah, I have plenty of cheat codes if you ever do. And I said, is one of them rosebud? See, that's funny, but he had never what I thought it was funny, but he never played Sims is that it? So I saw the typing and then I saw it stop. And then I said, oh, you saw him go, uh, what do I say here? Wait a minute. Yeah. And then he's like, we don't know each other well enough to be bantering in a way where I can say, what the fuck does that mean? So then I said to Blaze, do you understand this joke? And I said it to him and he went, no, I don't understand the joke. And I said, it's from the Sims, like mother load. And he said, I know the word mother load and I went, okay, enough of this. And so then I said to Blaze's friend, sorry, neither person in the room understood the joke. This is clearly on me. I take full responsibility. And Blaze's friend said, never apologize for being too niche. And I was like, that's such a kind way of saying that. What a good man. Jesus Christ. I know. And I thought, and wow, so anyway, that's really profound. It was profound. It felt very validating, but then my brother was like, yeah, in some circles, that's a pretty, okay, maybe he didn't give me the validation that I really wanted. I don't know, maybe I invented that part. Because even when I look back, I'm like, he didn't seem all that convinced. Maybe it's not as good a joke as I thought. Maybe it's just my algorithm talks about the Sims so much that I assume everybody has this on their same feet, you know. Trust me as someone whose algorithm is fucking nuts right now. I figured you didn't say it. Yeah, a lot of things and just hope and pray, I don't look like an idiot and a lot of times my prayers aren't answered. There's typically like, when other people do say something, I'm like, oh, I just don't get it, but like, I'm, I just like how you did with J. Joe, like, it's probably funny. But when it's a DM one on one, I realize like, okay, this is awkward because we don't know each other that well. So it's like, he's got to be like, but that's a lot of like, say, ha ha, do I say, what does that mean? That happens a lot even with like, friend dating where you have to, just totally, you just have to say some wild shit and hope that they know what the reference is. And then like, if there's that like weird pause, you're like, moving on. We did not pass the word test there. Yeah. Yeah. Whoops. Okay. I remember that one. I wouldn't even say friend, but the person that I went on a friend date with me both goes to each other. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I tried to, many times thrown out niche references, and I just probably looked like it. It's at a certain point. Your loss is, yeah, you're like, uh, one day I'll be aligned enough for this conversation. Our algorithms don't like each other, therefore I don't think it's going to work. Yeah. We're just criss-crossing. Anyway, Jay Jill, you're right. So that's the joke. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Was that like, Jay crew, Antelor or Chico's? It was like 100%. I was like where my mother would go by like, cardigans or whatever. No, she would kill me for saying that. But you know, like, it was like, it was that kind of story. Yeah. Yeah. It stores my mom made me go to when we went back to school shopping. It's like really rough for the pencil skirt. Yeah. Like, the pencil skirts. They love it. They love a polo. Oh. A polo, man. There was, and apparently those are back. I went into a holester with my sister unwillingly, and I was like, this is literally the exact same store from 25 years ago. We know. That's his back. No difference. They went back for a while now. I hate to say it. Don't. Burk and stocks. I mean, I would like to, every, you know how I, I mean, I've worn burgers. Like back, back, back, back, they're back, back, back, back. Like you are in right now, a few of Burk and stocks. No, I know. I have like 16 parents. No, I don't. I have two. But still, I'm a little offended by them being back because the current generation who's bringing them back doesn't understand that it was the only way we could out ourselves back then. Now everyone just wears them. Oh, I see. Yeah. Like they were gay. I con. And now we're just everyone can have them. Crazy. That's crazy. I know. But sometimes about the energy you bring to the situation, okay? I'm is what I would say, because I own two pairs of Burk and stocks. One are like a cute light blue color that I always accidentally matched my nail, my toenail polish color to and it's kind of like this cutesy vibe. But then I own my like granola Burk and stocks and it's like, I wear those out and it's like, oh, that's not the same person, you know, like that's a different energy. And it's the same with this crop. I bought this thinking. I'm going to look so like cute and girly and then I get it and I'm like, whoa, I look intense. You look like you're going to take my ass. Yeah. Well, I couldn't. And you never know. I'm wearing Burk and stocks. But you never know. I feel like it's also about the like vibe you bring. But you're right. Like there is for sure, like a little bit of like, hey, that was, you know, that was ours. Also, wait a minute. You know what was the gayest piece of clothing? Any, um, sapphic person growing up in the early 2000s can tell you there's probably the gayest thing they've ever worn was when American Eagle came out with those patchwork quilt shorts. Do you remember? I have like 11. My mother has like a box of just those. I like 11 of pairs of those. You know what? They recently came up on my fucking TikTok feed, which means that those plus Burk and socks are back, which means we're just, they're just rubbing it in my face now. Maybe they're just like, do you want to try again and be gay this time? Okay. She would have just kissed girls when you're wearing these. And so thank you about it. I mean, my, my, my polo shirts, because I wore a collar shirt every day. Did you ever do the double collar shirt because that was just, oh, that was so annoying. The double polo, I thought was just a little bit absurd, a lot of absurd. It was. Even when I was doing it, I was like, this looks fucking stupid. This is a good photo up though, because there are some hilarious photos of me wearing like Hollister or like trying to look and it looks, it's like I was supposed to be wearing the pilgrim shoes. My mom had bought me and that was the aura I was projecting, but I was like wearing a pink halter top. Do you know what I mean? There was also, there was a phase where I finally stopped wearing the patchwork shorts because I'm trying to think what pictures of that exist. It's so hard because there were very few pictures taken on me in high school. But there was, I also went through a phase where I was wearing a lot of capris, but they were cargo capris, which, oh, the cargo capris had sucked. And you know what, to this day, I'd wear them again. They were so lovely, they were breezy, but they were as butch as we could get at a prep school where I was in the closet. I have something to tell you. My sister said that capris, they're back at Hollister now too. Oh, damn it. Wow. It really, it all, it's, nothing's changed. And you know what? They're going to act like they came up with it. That's fine. Yeah. That's fine. And it's fine. And guess what? We probably didn't come up with it either. The Ronald Reagan, the Nancy Reagan heads, all those big Nancy Reagan heads were like, hey, that's our thing. You dumb bitch. Nancy Reagan said, excuse me, to dumb cunt, give me that polo. Oh, how did we get here? Oh, talbots. Right. Right. Sure. Yeah. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. What a ride that was. I'm still stuck on that one story that starts with the scene. I don't know what it is. Liz Claiborne is a thing, but I think you're thinking of saying different, which I feel like I'm also trying to think of because Liz Claiborne is makeup. Oh, okay. No, I'm thinking of like a New York company, but that was a young J crew. That was like, in 10 years, you'll be a J crew. New York and come. Yeah, it was like, it was, what do you call it, the, um, the gateway or like, the, the feeder, the gateway closet, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. The, the talbots. Oh my god. So they own this castle for almost a hundred years. The first talbot to own it was Sir Richard Talbot. He got it in 1185. He got it. He, well, he was, it was gifted to him because he worked for King Henry the second and to reward him for all of his work. King Henry the second said, here's land, build the castle, do everyone with it. So the property also became a significant port for the area, which helped the Talbot family actually become very powerful, not only were they just randomly given a castle, but now they're, that castle also happens to be a, a big port. So they're very powerful. Like you said, it's so random. I'm like, didn't he literally work for the king? So that probably not super rampant. Not super random, but he, it's like it, well, like he, it was granted to him. Like, if he saw 10 years into the future, he would have been like, oh, I didn't realize he were going to be this powerful. It wasn't like, now turn this land into a big shipping port. It was just sort of like, it happened. It all kind of happened for him. So then the Talbots became this big family in town, eventually a big family in all of Ireland. And the castle itself did expand over time after 800 years, of course, things would have changed without it. But they basically built towers and gardens, and it slowly got more and more lavish. One source said that King Henry the, or King Edward IV at some point even like funded the castle getting bigger and grander because it was a port and it was therefore important to him as well. So anyway, it got very lavish over time. There was one time in that 800 years that the Talbot's owned it only once did it momentarily switch hands. And that was from 1649 to 1660. So it's only an 11 year time period. Tough tough 11 years. What happened? Well, it was the English Civil War. And Oliver Cromwell and his knights threw out all pretty much all the people in town. They were in his cronies and his cronies and his cronies. That's exactly right. And one of his cronies was named Miles Corbin. And basically when the entire town was exiled or thrown out that included the Talbot. So the castle was available and Cromwell gave it to his crony Miles Corbin. Got it. So when when he lived there, Corbin was hated by the remaining locals. I bet all right. It said that he tried criminalizing Catholicism, which a lot of people in the area were Catholic. He had their abbey and their churches vandalized. It's actually rumored that at one point he also set up a brewery in one of the chapels. And that this is again, I don't know how true this is, but it's rumored that the smoke from the fires, this is a quote, the smoke from the fires under his boiler when it was a brewery are still visible in the chapel. Oh, that's cool. Which to me, it's like super cool. Like, oh, make it a brewery. But also it's like what a slap in the face to like their fucking place of worship. It would be like you barging into somewhere that parks is a different religion. I'm just going to put this in your mosque. And it's like, yes, he was also known for being one of the people who signed the death warrant for King Charles the first. Whoa. So King Charles did not like this man because I think not. He was one of the people who who signed off on the King Bank. So he lived here for 11 years, until the restoration and King Charles the second was put in power. And when King Charles the second was put in power, he was like, remember all those people who killed the other King Charles before me, I would like to round all those people up. And I'd like them to be held accountable for their crimes. And that includes, so Corbett had been living in the castle for 11 years. He flees the country. He goes to the Netherlands to try to hide. So that way they can't find him and kill him in retaliation. But they eventually find him. They take him in and he is, quote, hanged drawn and quartered before a cheering crowd. Oh, yeah, co, hold that energy because this is where I do another quick dive into what hanged drawn and quartered me. Why must we do that? Because someone wants to hear it. Someone wants to know, go ahead. And I have, I think covered this before. So this is just a quick little thing. But you know, people like sickos. Google it yourself and read the dirty details. People like the ins and outs of medieval torture. So here we go. I got all this information by the way from an article from How Stuff Works. Fun fact, hang being hanged drawn and quartered existed from 1241 to 1782. Okay. So anyone wanted to know like did this have how did this happen? Half a millennia. Yeah. Five hundred years. Half, yeah. Well, half is a millennia, a thousand years. Yeah. It was removed as a sentencing style in 1870, which is crazy that it was, it was almost a hundred years later that we think about like firing squads and stuff that are still technically, you know, yeah, legal in certain places. Well, so it was, it existed for another hundred years as a sentencing style. But I think at that point, people were like, we don't want to do this anymore. So really the vibe anymore. So they just officially took it off the list of options in 1870. It was used for those who committed high treason. It was considered the ultimate punishment. And interestingly, it's not hanged drawn and quartered. The process is more drawn hanged, a bonus experience, and then quartered. So see, okay, because I always wondered because I thought, well, if it's hanged, at least you're hanged first, then the rest, but no, okay, never mind. So being drawn is the best part of it, where you are tied behind a horse, and you get dragged to the gallows, usually from the prison you were in, which could be several miles away. And you're, you're being dragged by a horse, not by like a fast car. So it's taking hours, like tied, right? Like by the ankle or something. Yeah, you're bound and dragged. And sometimes it was like on essentially a sled. So it's not like your back is getting ripped up on the ground. But I'm sure there was a time a sled wasn't used. And it's a horse. So it's, it's taking longer than how long it would take us to travel a couple miles. And I guess during this whole thing, people paraded around you in through trash. I'm sure they're just throwing shit at rocks at you and shit. Yeah. Yeah. Cute. So that's the best part. And you almost hope that someone throws a rock hard enough right at your head and you black out and don't experience the rest. You almost hope. You almost hope. Because what's coming is not great. So then you get to the gallows, you are intentionally hanged poorly so that you slowly suffocate but your neck does not snap. Oh, I didn't understand that part. Fuck, dude. So, um, they, and then they don't even hang you to kill you ever. They just kill you to torture you. Or they just hang you to torture you. So for like 20 minutes to a half hour, they just let you hang their slowly not being able to breathe and going in and out of consciousness. I didn't know that. Then they cut you down for the bonus experience. The bonus experience is, you know, you again, hope that they were able to suffocate you because this part, you really, really don't want to experience your genitals are cut off. You're awake the whole time by the way. If you didn't, if you survived the hanging situation, your genitals are cut off and thrown into a fire before your very eyes. Your stomach is cut open and your intestines are pulled out. Throw into also throw into a fire. Your heart is cut out and thrown into a fire. So at least now I'm pretty sure you're dead. Then you're decapitated and the heads of the most notable people as we know were put on spikes to be a warning to others. And then, um, the quartering is interesting because you're not even awake for it because you're, you're now for sure not with us. But that's when your body is quartered into four pieces. Usually, um, that means your legs and arms are cut off. But this is the fun fact I didn't know. They are then preserved. And like they're boiled with like spices and stuff and preserved. And then taken, this is a quote from the article taken on a publicity tour to use me to let everyone know what happens to people who challenge the authority of the king because there was no media or newspapers back then. So the quartering and distributing the body parts was the way that they would go to towns and let you know, but don't fuck with the king. So that's another reason why it stopped being used even though 100 years time, it was still an acceptable sentencing style. They already had newspapers. So they didn't have to like do this thing to your body and then physically go display it to people. They could just write about it. So it was meant to be like look at what happens. Yes. Like look how we can totally take, uh, it's so fucking dark. But as newspapers came out and people were able to read more, they didn't need that. They could just like write the threat, you know what I mean? Right, right. And like you don't need to prove. Yes. It with the limbs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, a lot of people think that quartering is when all four of your limbs are tied to different horses and all the horses run in different directions. That's what I always thought. Apparently that's true in some areas, but that did not happen in England that we know. Okay. Um, okay. And it was maybe more of a torture style than a, um, than a killing, but an execution. So the drawing was that the being dragged? Yeah. So it was like beat your essentially the horse drawn carriage. You're being drawn. Okay. So you're drawn. And then there's the hanging, of course. And then the cutting and the literally called, they don't say it. It's just called, they just say hanged drawn and quartered. But it's, oh, so that, I guess that part of the quartering is that your whole body is coming apart. Uh, yeah. Sorry. Okay. Okay. Okay. So how are we? It gets better. It gets not like that's the worst event now. It's in the past. You, you literally said this is the best part. Oh, no, no, that was just the, sorry, horse. Yeah, the, sorry, certainly the best in terms of a, a gore factor. But now we're, we're done with talking about that. We're back to the history of castle. Okay. Okay. Okay. Everyone's quarters all levels can, because they have permissions to drop. So when, uh, so that's what happened to Miles Corvette because he was just so hated. I mean, the king, he literally said, yeah, the king should die. And then the king died. And then the new king was like your turn. Mm hmm. So when he moved out of the way, or moved out of the castle and died, the Talbot's finally were able to move back in. So that's why for the, that 11 years, they weren't living there as they were kicked out. And then they came right back. And then they saw a press tour come through town with the guys limbs. And they were like, oh perfect, that must mean it's back on the market. Honestly, I'm kind of like, is that how they found out? Like, oh my god. Um, and then by the way, when they moved in, they, they, they then, um, what's the quote? They weakened the castle's defenses because as it had gotten built up and built up and built up to be this great, grand thing. But then they realized that this is attractive to bad people. Totally like to, to anyone with bad intention. Yeah. So they intentionally took a lot of that out of the way. So that we nobody wouldn't want to steal their house again. Yeah. Um, and then they lived there until the 1970s. It's now a museum. It's an event venue, like a venue. Um, they host tours there, including paranormal investigations. And now I'm just talking about ghosts. Yay. Sorry about the tough part there. Okay. Ghosts. Here we go. So the staff and guests have experienced the classic stores opening, closing footsteps, closed gang tug, that temperature drops, laughter and voices. People have felt nauseous in certain rooms. They've been locked into other rooms, even though there's no lock security has seen shadow figures on their cameras. It's been thought that the castle, because it's near laylines or because the castle is also built of limestone, which is a conductor for paranormal energy. I think those might be the reasons for its high activity, but they also, like, there have been like a lot of deaths over 800 years in that family. And the amount of like, just think about the emotions alone. Great point. Family for 800 years. Also, think about how many fucking wars since 1185 and like how many times an important port and a castle has been involved in all that. And a lot of those, a lot of the people who have owned that castle had to like go into battle. A lot of people lost their lives. There was actually one event that happened in the castle where like 14 of the family members all died in battle the same day. And they all lived in the castle and none of them came home the same day. Oh my god. I mean, like, there's a lot of grief and tragedy that's into this place. Yes. So it's said that there are five most notable spirits here. I'm kind of confused because the way that I'm reading this, it sounds more like six. Excuse me. Oh, let me know what you think. So the first one's obviously Miles Corbett. He, you know, I got to give him credit what credits do. He's an original ghost because people see him in his military armor. Walking around the castle, but before he vanishes, he collapses to the ground into four parts. Shut the fuck up as if he was just quartered and apparently they're like bloody parts, too. It's like kind of gross. He's like, what became of me? Oh my god. That is so creepy, dude. What? It's so creepy, but again, finally, I mean, how many times do I say we saw a ghost standing there? At least he's doing something different. I mean, and really, like, that's a direct correlation to his literal story, so yeah. And also, like, he was not that great of a guy either. So I'm sure some people are kind of like, good, good to know that that's what's happening in the afterlife for you. I don't know. Good to know. I need to watch it in my own whole way. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great point. Imagine you're like in your PJs and you're like bunny slippers and you go get a glass of water and you just have to. Christmas morning. Oh my god. Santa Cape. Oh my gosh. I think that's the funny thing you said in a lot that makes up for that J. Jill shit. I'll tell you that that was good. Thank God. I felt like I was trapped in a purgatory mode design after that J. Jill joke. You know, I do get the Santa reference. I've experienced that before. Thank God. I try. I'm so niche that I came all the way around and ended up with fucking Santa Claus. You should never apologize for being niche or whatever blaze. That's a good man for saying it wasn't blaze. It was his friend who said it. Oh, it was whole time. I was like, I'm so glad you married him. Now I'm like, you should marry that guy. I know and blaze, blaze said nobody gets that show. It did sound a little out of character, but I was like sometimes blaze does like really have some heavy hitters. He's so I was like lovely. But he, but he, he take, he's, he's cautious with those. He doesn't want to give me the wrong idea. He doesn't want me going on with more and more niche. Sims are references around his friends where they have to pretend like they understand what I'm saying. He's like, cut it out actually else and knows better than to give me permission to be niche because then like see what I mean, the floodgates open. Yeah. But then like her friends are probably nice and like, yeah, you can be as niche as you want. Her friends are so nice and it's undeserved with the way that I talk to them. The blaze is friend where I'm like, I don't deserve that. But thank you for the kindness. I know that there's a text change somewhere where else in Spencer, like, what was that thing? What, what were we talking about? Did anybody else? Are you actually laughing at that? Because I didn't get it. We all laughed at that. It's like, it's kind of funny how like nobody just said, I don't understand. 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And I don't even think time means anything in the afterlife. Like, yeah, I'm like, I guess I could understand it in a certain way if there were some sort of like weird celestial imprint that the stars were like, sure, okay, whatever. But like the idea of like every year on hit the day of his death. I'm like, and also if that were fucking true, I'm sorry, but like there would have been a camera crew and they're ready to get evidence of that on his day. At one of these days. Yeah. Like if I, if we were going to go setting up, they said, only on his death day, do you see him on the stairs? They'd be like, and we're sitting on the stairs all night until he appears. Otherwise, yeah. I wonder, I know, but I wonder if it's like, you know, when you have like say somebody in your family passes and like on their death anniversary, you might get like signs, you know, or you might get like, but that feels more personal. Like that feels more like, oh, they're checking in on me to make sure I'm okay. Not like, oh, he's back for his annual pantomime of horrible murder. I mean, I don't know. It just feels like, why would you do that? Maybe he doesn't have a choice, I guess, but it's just strange. Sure. That's a good point. Well, he's the one of the most popular ghosts there. I say, the ghosts, there's two, how would I say this? I'm just going to say ghosts two and three because they're part of the same story. There's a woman who haunts this castle called Lady Mod Plunkett, which just feels like a mother goose rhyme or something. Lady Mod Plunkett. Sound on a trumpet or something, eating her crumpet. It actually really works. Before she married into the Talbot family, that's how she ended up in this castle. She married a Talbot. Before that, she was engaged to another man named Walter Hussey. Love that. Hello. Hey, girl. Happy Pride. And Walter Hussey was also known as Lord Galtram because they always have to have a fancy name. And so Lady Mod Plunkett and Lord Galtram, they were going to get married. However, on their wedding day, Lord Galtram died in battle, which like, why are you working on your wedding day? It's like, hang on, I'll be right there. So at the clock and real quick for a morning shift, I'll be back for the wedding. I gotta get a quick shower before my wedding. So like, that's the shower you need before your wedding. It's like, get in the pond and get all that blood out of you. Please just like put your limbs back together. May God. So they say that he, there's two versions. One is that he died in battle. One is that he died in an ambush from rival people or something, but whatever. Either way, he was stabbed and died immediately. And he couldn't make it to his wedding. Very sad. He couldn't make it. He was busy. He was stabbed and died immediately. And he actually didn't make it to his wedding. And the worst part is he didn't get to the wedding. This is the plot twist. So here's the plot twist. Right after his wedding, like within 24 hours, there was no wedding. What do you mean? Right after the day. Right after the day where everyone was gathered except him, wondering where he was. Within 24 hours, right after his death, mod Mary's another man. Yeah, that's the plot twist. And it was Mr. Talbot, which is how she ends up in the castle. And I guess it's interesting because the story, if I'm understanding it correctly, they, her and Lord Galtram had he not died. They were going to get married at the Talbot's castle because the Talbots were like family. friends in some way. And then he didn't show up. She ended up marrying Mr. Talbot in his own castle within 24 hours. And I think the reason why they were able to marry so quickly is because Mr. Talbot was also vying for the affection of Lady Mod Plunkett. And Lord Galtram was the one that she ended up choosing between the two of them. Did he get him killed? We don't know, but that's part of the mystery. I know. I mean, she's in my castle marrying a different guy and I'm in love with her. And if he's out of the picture, I can literally marry her in my own home today with all of our families gathered. And he just casually happened to die today. He accidentally died today. Oops. I mean, I'm no Barbara Walters, but I'm pretty sure I've got a finger on the pulse here. I'm extremely confident about my take on this one. Yeah. So she, but also I guess I would need more context on this battle. Like he died in battle. And everyone was like, where is he? It's like, well, if there's a fucking battle, what do you mean where? Like, yeah, or or he was ambushed. I kind of lean and lean more because again, see, if it's an ambush, then I'm thinking, hello, the two versions are either it was in battle or he was ambushed by people and got stabbed, which I feel like ambush is more likely. I mean, I don't think soldiers can like take time off from battle even today, but like I would imagine on your wedding day, you just like find a way to not get to work. The whole thing is strange, like what you battle, like wouldn't you post whatever? Would you at least say like, count me out, folks? I'm not going to be in this one. Wild timeline, I would like to know the military history of when people were like expected to miss all when it's like normal to just like be in a battle on your wedding day and accidentally die. Or even like even today where it's like, well, you have to work around like a soldier's schedule because like they don't get to pick their days off or I mean, I don't know. I really know nothing about like how the military operates, but when the military before it was the military, I feel like in the 1700s, someone could just say like, I'm not going to make it to this battle. Like, there was, there was a time before there were all these strict rules, right? Yeah, but I bet you there were all sorts of weird like, unwritten rules about like, oh, you would be then treat, it would be treason. It's honor. Maybe, maybe written rules. I don't know. Like, you don't want to be drawn in fucking quarter or whatever like that other guy. That's true. That's true. Anyway, so he ends up taking advantage of the situation, be like, oh, don't cry that your husband's dead. Everyone's here for your wedding. And I'm in love with you. And you could be in this castle with me. If we all got married right now, it's really weird that I'm wearing a tuxedo. It's so weird. I have a wedding ring at my pocket. God, what? It's so crazy. So she ends up a lot of sources say that she's the woman who was a maiden widow and wife all in one day. Whoa. Yeah. That's pretty wild. So Lady Plunkett, she ends up, you know, not marrying the first guy. She ends up marrying Mr. Talbot. Technically not a widow. That's what I'm saying. Okay. You're with me on this. But for the flare, I suppose people were like, well, she would have been a widow. It's going to kill him just the way 791 years is not it does not 800 years make. Will ruin my story is really grinding your gears. Thank you for seeing me. I feel so I feel heard. I'm so glad that's all I want. So after Mr. Talbot and and mod got married, he ended up dying. So now she's got the castle. Whoo. She so now she's a widow. Now she's a widow. And she's got all castles are herself. She ends up marrying a third man who's like us a judge in the area. But their relationship was very tumultuous. So this gets us back to the ghost. Lady Mod Plunkett herself is a ghost in the castle. A lot of people also see the ghost of her third husband, the judge. Because I guess they were known to be kind of toxic with each other and people still hear them fighting for eternity. How irritating. Exhausting. I mean, really like we can't. Exhausting. But give it a rest literally. Some people say that you can hear people arguing in empty rooms. You hear doors slamming. People literally have seen mod chasing after her husband when he's like leaving one of the rooms. So like she's like following him like the fight is over bomber. Exhausting. Exhausting. So you see the two of them. But you also ghost number four, you see Sir Walter Hussey aka Lord Galtram, the guy that died the day of his wedding. Yep. He is now said to appear on the upper floors of the castle, sometimes holding his side where he was stabbed or showing you his taboo. No, thank you. Just point to it. But we already saw a guy fall into four pieces. Yeah. I think I've had enough of this for today. I think just show me with your words. Like let's show and tell. Right. But let's show more tell. Just say it hurts right here. Or like, yeah. Just because one guy is falling into the literal chunks doesn't mean we all need to be the gorgeous possible. We can all maybe realize that's not the energy that we I feel like amplifying that guy made you think you have permission to also be a little over the top. But like we don't have to either. Totally. Like let's just take a breath first. Everyone breathe it out. Yes. So he sometimes shows you the stab wound or at least points to what hurts. He's often heard groaning probably because he was fucking stabbed death. But others say it's because he's heartbroken that he had to watch his fiance marry so quickly after his death. Yeah. No, I think he's fucking got stabbed is probably why I would say there's a lot of reasons to groan. But probably first on the dome for me would be either I'm in pain. Which one would take precedent in the moment? I would argue maybe the one that killed you. I agree with you. There's also a ghost called the white lady. And there's a woman in a white dress. I guess there's a painting of her in the castle. And the story goes that this is an unidentifiable woman painted by an unidentifiable painter. It's just was found hanging in the castle. That's kind of cool and creepy. Even creepier is that it's said that this woman in the white dress leaves her painting at night and is seeing wandering the castle. No, and then they're like, who painted this? Who the fuck? Did you paint it with a curse? With like a blood spell? Something. This was a third grade school project. I'm not going to be mad, but I need to know. We need to tell me honestly. Tell me very clearly. The magical painting is scaring everybody. Why are you giggling in the corner, Henry? I don't like that. We don't like that. I told you. It's said that the woman, she leaves her painting. The painting is apparently gone, but she is still seen. And I'm kind of wondering if this is the same ghost as Maud, because some versions were saying Maud can be seen still in her wedding gown. And so I'm like, well, then she's a lady in white. But when people know what Maud looks like, it versus like this random woman at a painting. Endless thing we go through of like, well, who's who and are they the same or are they separate entities? Or do they like merge? Yeah. That's kind of why I don't know if this is four ghosts or five, because they say the lady in white or the white lady is her own ghost. But I'm like, maybe it's maybe it's also Maud. And we just don't know like appearing in two different spots or something. Yeah. So there might be more than five. The white lady being one of them. Another random one is that there's a former worker who's seen on cold nights by the fire. There's there's a lot of randos. But the the last most popular one, his name is Puck. And he was, as you recall from earlier, the Talbot family jester. I didn't work. He said, as you recall, blank, blank, blank. Someone did. Someone was like, where the fuck is the jester? Oh, took me till two seconds after the jester mentioned that I recognized what was happening. Okay. So the jester Puck, interesting. Okay. Very on the nose. Got it. He was also the family watchman, because I guess the castle was still used. I guess the Talbots and the king were still close. And the king would have the Talbots watch over political prisoners in their castle, because they had a free dungeon, free dungeon, might as well put strange criminals in there. It is. Wow. And so when the jester wasn't feeling too silly, he was the fucking guard. He was, I'm at, but you know security guards are funny. You shit. So like, but I have a question. He just found a way to make two jobs out of it. Do you think it was that way? Or do you think like chicken and egg was it like he was a security guard? And then he just was like, just cracking these guys up. And they were like, maybe you've got to come upstairs for dinner some time and like really maybe a few jokes. I can't imagine it was that way, because I'd be like, this security guard's a little too chummy, a little too true. I don't think that's not your place. Yeah. I'd be like, you gotta tighten that shit up. But they go kind of also said, how about for 10 more bucks, you save that and you bring it upstairs when you're done down here. I don't totally save that energy. Don't give it, don't give it away for free. Yeah, exactly. I don't know. I don't know what what happened first, but he was somehow both. Um, he contains multitudes as we've learned just like a Gemini really. So relate to this guy. He lived in one of the towers. He oversaw the political prisoners. One of the people that was staying there that he was supposed to supervise was Lady Elinora Fitzgerald, who was only there because she was like a rebel. She was just maybe inciting some rites or something. I don't know. She was protest. Like, do you mean like she wasn't there for like a violent crime or anything. She just had some political presence. Oh, she was in the, I don't know why in my brain, she was just visiting the castle and he was meant to just like look after her and then she said, and then I realized your prison or she was technically visiting behind bars. But she was visiting against her will. Got it. Okay. So while Puck is supposed to watch her, he accidentally fell in love with her. Yuck, okay. - And you know she was getting a personal, like a private, justing event all the time. He was just there cracking jokes and being charming. And she was like, - He was suddenly like the only thing separating us. - Wow, he was like writing new material. And she was just like, his friends were like, what's gotten into you, you know? - Oh my God, you know what's so funny though? Imagine as a security guard, you know like when you clock out here, you have to be a jester. You know that some of those prisoners, we're getting his like test out jokes and that was part of the torture maybe. - Oh my God, and that would be, wouldn't it? And then like if something flops at dinner, at least you have more torture for the next day at work. Like if a joke flops for the king or whatever, then you can go downstairs. - You know if I was held prisoner there and the person watching me is a guy trying to crack jokes. Oh, I'm laughing so hard. I'm like, oh, maybe if I left that so hard. - I know, maybe if I left that so funny. - Can you hold my hand, the one with the key in it? - It's like it's so funny. Maybe we could be friends if only I survived. Maybe you could give me out here. Maybe I'll give you a smooch. - Yeah. (laughs) Well, so he falls in love with a lady Elinora Fitzgerald. And either he, we don't really know what happened, but I guess the story goes that they would have never been able to be together even if she wasn't a prisoner. I think like their status, he was never allowed to probably be with someone like her. So either because he was devastated that he failed at his job of being a good overseer or because he knew he could never be with her and he was heartbroken. Some say he died by suicide. - Booneer. - But others say that he was murdered because all we know is he was later found in his tower, stabbed in the heart. (gasps) Could have been like a Romeo Giulia situation where he tried to end it all. But someone else could have probably hurt him. Maybe one of the Talbots who knew that they were getting a little too close and they felt like he broke loyalty or something with the family by being friends with a prisoner and maybe that would insult the king and then the king would have to yell at the Talbots about it or who knows? - Oh my God. Yeah, that just, that feels a little, yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to feel about this. - I don't know how to place it. - Does it feel like a suicide, in no sense? But no. - That's a pretty gruesome way to do it. - But also like the clown, like the gesture archetype of like, like, I mean, this is talk about niche, but like the Paliachi opera, you know? No. Okay. - So it always, just out of the way, and you always dive right back into like having to be questioned. What are you talking about? - There's an opera about a clown and he is called Paliachi and he goes to the town doctor and he says, "Dr. Doctor, I'm so depressed. Nothing can cure me." And the doctor said to him, "Oh, I have just a thing. Have you heard the famous Paliachi is in town and he is just the one to cheer you up." And the man said, "But, Doctor, I am Paliachi." - Oh my God. - Yeah, so it's about a suicidal clown, or like court-juster clown guy. - Oh my God. Well. - It was one of my childhood stories growing up. - Yeah. - That tracks for sure. - Yeah. - Wow, that was really-- - Okay. (laughing) - You're like, after thinking about everything now. - So that was the story. Actually, my dad, every Christmas, would read us a story about somebody dying. It sounds like a joke. It's not a joke. We'd read a story about either someone committing suicide or dying before, like before saying their final words, or like before getting their, like something just like really awful, right? And so that was one of the stories. And it was always just very dark. But it was like the idea that like, people, someone who entertains others can be very dark underneath. - Sure. - You know. - I mean, also, if that trope is there too. - Yeah, it falls in the trope of like, I mean, even like a Robin Williams of like, people who are really-- - Yes, the comedian. Exactly. - The exager. - I think maybe that would have been a more relevant reference for everybody to kind of cling onto. - No, I said you decided to say, Jill Jack or Jill J or whatever. That wasn't risky enough. Let's go with the Paliachi. - No, I'm just fucking flying doradic. - And suicidal clown. - That's eating myself into the sun at this point. And we're not gonna find the ever again. - You know what? I gotta give you a round of applause on your tenacity though. You really say-- - Thank you, thank you. - Let's find out. Let's find out together every time. - Let's F-A-F-O. You know what? And now we're all wiser, now we know about Paliachi. - You're all a little more bummed out though too. - And yet, I feel the need to thank you. - Thanks, you're welcome. I don't really, you've really messed with all the ways that I think now. - It's just powerful, it's powerful stuff. - Well, Puck was stabbed in the heart and we don't know how, why, when, and he is still alive when he's found. - Oh, and he, oh no. - Okay. - And when they find him, he has some last words. And they're not, this is who did it to me, or anything like that. Instead, apparently, this has to be flare created by a paranormal investigator. Instead, his last words are that he's going to haunt the castle until a Taliban man marries a woman of the people. - Oh, please. - Okay, great. - Until a Taliban finds love with someone for who they are and not because of societal expectations, 'cause that's not what he could have with Lady Eleanor Fitzgerald, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He couldn't have her first, because of society. - Apparently, also, out of the caveat that while he haunts the castle, he'll never harm a Taliban. - He went, - No, here's what happened. A Taliban killed him and said, - Thank you. - Here's what his final words were. - I actually, weirdly, they're in my handwriting, but that's 'cause I was just like, noting them down as he said them. - You fucking nailed exactly what I was thinking. 'Cause I'm like who the hell, and you know, I wonder, 'cause he's, I'm sure if a Taliban is the one who said that, who's like, no, no, no, no, he said all these really nice things about us. - Yeah, he loves us, he fucking loves us. - Whoever he told that to, probably questioned it and went, I'm not gonna fuck with the guy who just stabbed someone in the heart. - Yeah. - He went, you're right. - I'm tired. - How nice. - Are we all understanding? Let's all be in unison and say, got it. - Ugh. - He, um, - Yikes. - So now he's deemed as like a protector of the castle. - Okay. - This puck guy. He's also now often seen in photos. He likes to take pictures of people. He's been spotted around the property, climbing the stairs or pacing outside. In the 1970s, he was the most active 'cause that's when the castle was being cleared out and a lot of the contents were being sold out of the building. And that was, he did not like that and how ghosts like, don't like the change of them. So he was really, really showing up around then. But he, to this day as a museum, he likes to play pranks on the staff. He said he'd be very mischievous. He'll hide items. He'll tug on your shirt, lights will flicker. Other spirits of people see around here are a monk walking around and chanting. Because you're just being happy nearby. They hear piano playing because of former resident who lived there was a piano player. And some rooms, people here knocking and rattling in the old dungeon they hear crying and groaning. In the gardens, there are two phantom women that fade away together. Yay, happy pride. Together. And there's also a couple seen holding hands. I'm gonna pretend they're gay, happy pride. Same couple maybe, I don't know. They're holding hands, they fade to the mist, that'd be precious. And then there is the ghost of a man crouching. No, thank you. Okay, forget it. Investigators have gotten intelligent responses on spear boxes and using EVP. One ghost has, one example of this is a ghost, correctly stated how many people were in the room when they asked for that information. There's a door in one of the rooms. I think in like the event space of the place that's now like a venue. There is a door that used to be Puck's door. I think like to his tower, I'm not sure. It was just where he maybe kept his gesture toys, I don't know. But if you knock on it now, you're supposed to get good luck out of it. That feels like a trap. That feels like a trap to me too. It's like, I think you're just trying to, you're knocking on mischievous Puck's door to be like, oh, totally with us. It feels like an invitation, I'm not doing that. Yeah, I feel like you're gonna make him do something playful or personal. Like you're summoning him, doesn't it? I feel like you're summoning him. And guess what happens? And guess who would happen too? Don't even. Lizzo. What? Apparently she went into the door here and knocked on Puck's door and lost her goddamn phone. She went, she knocked on his door and this is a quote from her. He took my phone, talking about Puck. He took my phone. They looked all over the castle for it. Then when we called it, it was in my dancer's pocket outside. No, I transported outside of the castle. That is trickster energy, that's huge. I mean, that's very just or like I would say. Which part of me is like, oh, well, maybe the dancer like always had in the pocket or played a prank or whatever. But in the interview, she says like, I was just taking pictures with my phone and that I couldn't find that thing. No, I feel like that's usually, also like, why would the dancer have Lizzo's phone? Like that should be right. I don't think that would happen. I feel like that would not happen. That's really weird. Yeah, okay, I'm not gonna be knocking on that. No, thanks. So, anyway, that is Melahide Castle. That was so good. Oh, thank you. Yeah, I really liked that. We got some like dark shit with the quartering and all that nonsense. And, woo, I don't know, man. Some of those, would you go there overnight, do you think? I think so. I don't know. - I wouldn't know why. Something about castles, I just am like, I don't know about staying overnight in a castle. - Well, castles for me just freaked me out because if we're going to the Sally House here and the house is maximum 70 years old. It's different than when the house is 1,000 years old and there's just so much more room for other ghosts. I don't know. - And also, it feels so empty and cavernous. It feels really eerie. - And you would have, which is another problem we've run into, like you would have like so many places you'd need to like, hair down where you would go and what-- - Logistical nightmare. - Logistics, oh my god. I would be a little freaked out, I think. I think it's a little too big scale for me. I don't know. I think I'd rather experience a smaller, less like gory haunting as my first like castle experience, but-- - Agreed. Also on a castle, I think you just know people died there. - I know, there's already a dark history in like any castle if you're just like-- or a dungeon, so they're suffering. It's different than like, oh someone peacefully passed in their home and-- - Yeah, yeah. - This family had it for so many years and it was just filled with love and light and loss, but also love known, like there's some war in battle and being a castle, it's probably really isolated from other things. - Yours and the woods. - That's also the thing. And they feel like at night, that's so spooky too. Okay, I'm gonna go pee and then I'm gonna pull up my newspaper's account and see if I can find the, and if I don't, I'm sorry, I'll say it in the episode so that you don't like sign up for Patreon just to get that and then it's like not there. But I'll say it after, we'll say it afterward. 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So instead we talked about true crime astrology, which was really fun. And if that's not your bag, that's totally fine because I'm gonna cover the Gemini Twins story today instead. - I'm so excited. Yeah, I remember you saying that you were gonna cover this and then we yapped so much. You were like, I'll do it next time. So I was like, actually, do you want to be here till 11 PM? No, me neither, okay. And the whole world went, no, and I said, okay, okay, fine. So we went over a lot more in depth instead into the astrology of serial killers and true crime and it was a fun conversation, you know, we had fun. I mean, you were there. - I mean, I was there, but I thank you for reminding me 'cause it has been like a week, so. It has been a whole week and you know how we are with time. - Yeah, so this is really fun. - We had fun. I think it was a good time. This is a story of the Gemini Twins and it is actually pretty good. I didn't do this on our birthdays because they're not actually Gemini's. - Oh, yeah, I'm glad that this isn't. - And I think that would have dampened the mood. So I was already kind of bracing for like a little bit of, like, ooh, I gotta kind of give you some downer news that like the theme isn't even really on theme. But it's perfect now because they're not even Gemini to begin with, so that's just what they're called and I'm gonna tell you why. Anthony Center, he was born on March 31st, so he's actually in Aries, 1955 in Brooklyn. He was the son of Michael Center and Northern Italian immigrant and it just says, and then basically any source and his wife. - Oh, that's nice. - You know what, so far I'm a little offended but maybe it's best that she's not involved in this. - I think you're right. I think you're correct. - She doesn't want to be involved. - You know what, she's like to take my name out of it actually. - Yeah, wife, period. - I'll be the wife. - Might as well put X in front of it while you're at it. I don't know. - Oh my God, power move. - So Anthony grew up in a turbulent home where his parents divorced when he was eight years old and then remarried each other again. Sorry, trigger warning to him and only him 'cause Anthony and him are the only people who have ever experienced your parents marrying each other again. Which like, I've experienced that but it was a really vivid nightmare I had. - That was, I don't know. That was, I don't even know what the right word is, but well done. That really, it felt personal. Not like an attack, it just felt like, oh my God, you thought of me? I don't know. - There's something so separate of me. It was not derogatory, it was, but it was also not not derogatory. - I just felt, it's so, there's something so twisted about me. I just felt so thought of all of a sudden. I was like, oh my God. - Yeah, well because I was like, yep, because I mean, hello, that's not an experience that most people go through. And so when I see someone else experiencing that, I'm like, hey, I know someone who went through that. - But it's untouched 'cause I have things to talk about. - Well, I don't think I'm gonna do that. So you'll find out why. - Sounds like he's already known. - Okay. - It sounds like he might just be. - Okay. - So yeah, he grew up in a turbulent home. Trigger warning to M only. Where his parents divorced and then remarry each other. So I guess, turbulent home is a good word for what we're experiencing. Okay, sure, during his youth, Anthony worked for his father's debris removal business and his uncle Robert's carting firm, the Kenarcy recycling company, which had mob ties to the Gambino and Colombo crime families. So on July 24th, 1977, Anthony married an Italian-American woman in Kenarcy, Brooklyn, and the wedding was attended by prominent mob figures. So you can see he's almost like born into this like mob family and their attending is wedding whole nine yards. The Gambino crime family soldier Roy Albert De Mayo was one of the attendees, and he is gonna come back into the picture shortly, but real quick, I wanna jump over to the other Gemini twin, who's also glaringly not a Gemini, but is instead an Aquarius. - And, you know, I can also speak to that if I have to, but Aquarius Aries energy is interesting 'cause it's sort of like, Aquarius is also an air sign like we are. So there is a little bit of that, like fanning the flames energy. - Sure. - And at this point, they haven't connected yet, and we're gonna see that like have them connect, so. - And remind me again what Anthony's was, what sign he was? - He's an Aries. - He's also an Aries, okay, gotcha. - No, no, Joseph Testa isn't Aquarius, sorry. - But the other guy, that we talked about. - Oh yeah, the other guy's an Aries, okay. - Okay, Aries and Aquarius got it. - Yes, yes. - So Joseph Carmine Testa, Jr. was born on January 24th, 1955, in New York City. It was one of nine children born to an attack. Italian, American transport truck driver, father, and his wife. Period. Actually, it says, a housewife mother. And I went-- - Oh, wow, it's even worse. - Getting a little weird somehow. It's worse. - We're just actively not including her and any of this. - And some dumb bitch. We'll put that instead. Okay. - Big B, yeah. - Joseph's home life became highly turbulent as well in other ways, and he became a juvenile delinquent after his mother died of a sudden blood clot when he was only 13 years old. One of Joseph's younger brothers, Patrick, who went by patty, Testa also became involved in the crime lifestyle very young. He became pretty quickly a professional car thief and then graduated into a real-life mobster. As a teenager, Joseph worked as a carpenter's helper and as an apprentice butcher, and that of course gave him some mighty fine skills of carving up dead things. - Noted. - Noted. Anthony and Joseph grew up on the same block in Canarcy, Brooklyn, and it feels a little too much like the universe could have maybe stepped in and separated them a few blocks and maybe all this wouldn't have happened, but whatever. - Did they-- you were probably gonna say this already. Did they know each other growing up or is it convenient that they were neighbors? - No, they knew each other. They were close friends. So they grew up like on the same block, became BFFs and both of them dropped out of high school and co-founded an auto theft and marijuana distribution ring. - Okay, well, at least they're doing something with their lives, like the world's hard. - Yeah. - Okay. - It's called being an entrepreneur. - That's right. Nothing else. Now they had help from Joseph's little brother Patti, remember the expert Carthief. So now they have this trio of like very skilled in multiple different ways across the board, trio of young men who were like just looking to create problems and steal stuff. - Okay. - So by 1970, they're 15 years old at this point. Okay, just to give some context. Oh, my new follow-up boy, T-shirt was delivered. - Okay. - Speaking of bicep. - I'm really happy for you. - You know the dumbest part is I was already like, I wonder how short I should cut the sleeves. Okay. - Oh, my God. - I know, I know, I know. You're correct. - I think you're just going to cut them off. That's what I, my feeling is off. What are you thinking? - I'm thinking like a little, just like a little, like a little flare. - Cool. - I'm going to want a little, just a little flare, yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, you think you can do a regular flare. - Start there. If we don't like it, we get cut shorter. - Thank you. - You know, and I'm working on the biceps. We'll get there someday. - It's not a rush. - Okay. Anyway, they become close friends. Drop out of high school, create this auto theft and marijuana distribution ring, and they have this sidekick of patty, the little brother. So by 1970 at age 15, Anthony and Joseph have already been arrested multiple times for car theft, but because they were so young, it was pretty much dismissed every time. And now I want to get into why they're called the Gemini Twins. And part of the reason is that they sort of became, and this is like pretty twisted thinking now. Like, okay, first of all, fuck you for calling them Gemini Twins, but whatever. They became really, really codependent with each other. - Oh, okay. - Really entwined. And like, I mean, you could say speaking of fallout boy, maybe this is a fully out of a situation. Not really, because they weren't, you know, in psychosis. So I don't want to act like that was what was happening. But essentially, they became known as the Gemini Twins because they were like fanatically loyal to each other. And they were basically like twin. I mean, they were like twins, twin flames. I don't know what you want to call them. - Yeah. - Were like-- - Like almost like they had like applied. Like a twin bond like our-- - Yes, yes. Like it was written in the stars. - Yeah, it felt very like meant to be especially them growing up on the same block, being the same age, dropping out to high school at the same time, having the same niche interest of car-jacking and theft. - I mean, you can't get much better than that. - I know, it's beautiful, really. Yeah. So remember, they're only 15. And so when a 13 year old neighbor of theirs, so a friend, was threatened with a knife by a man from East New York. And I am assuming race plays into this. It's not fully clear, but they do mention he was a Puerto Rican man. And I think with the mob ties, there was, you know, some-- - Some back and forth. - Some more layers to this than just like, oh, he was harassing our friend. But essentially, they find out that this man had threatened their neighbor with a knife. So they organize the neighborhood group, the neighborhood kids. They borrow a car and they spent the entire day searching the streets until they locate and confront this man and presumably, you know, beat him up or what have you. - Sure. - So in 1973, they're now about 18 years old. Joseph got into a bar fight. And he was nearly killed by an opposing gang member. - This gang member stabbed him, puncturing his lung and leaving him with chronic respiratory difficulties for the rest of his life. And Tony, Anthony, when he heard about this, in a direct act of retaliation, tracked down the assailant and beat him nearly to death with his bare hands. Like, this is how like-- - Loyal. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Foul. - So because they spent so much time together and frequented also a place called the Gemini Lounge, it just became a very easy transition for people to call them the Gemini Twins. And this is everybody from law enforcement called them, the Gemini Twins, to like, underground mob, - Sure. - Folks, called them the Gemini Twins. I went on astroclub.com to type in their kind of compatibility just to see-- - Good. - Yeah. And it says here, "What happens when fiery "impulsive areas meet cool quirky Aquarius? "You get a whirlwind of innovation, "a dash of rebellion, and potentially "a love story for the ages." And I went, "Happy Pride, mate." - Yeah. - Yeah. - Or at least a very interesting chapter. Instant intellectual connection, Aquarius loves Aries' bright mind, mutual admiration for each other's independent spirit. Aries is drawn to Aquarius' unique perspective. Aquarius is intrigued by Aries' boldness. They're both forward thinkers who are not afraid to challenge a status quo. This shared rebellious streak can be a major bonding point. - Literally, that's an interesting way to put that, considering we're talking about. - Like, crazy town. And I mean, I had that in there because last week was gonna be the astrology week, but like, it's still really, I mean, to me, I find that very interesting. But in any case, Anthony and Joseph were introduced at this, remember the wedding, this guy, Roy de Mayo showed up at the wedding. So Anthony and Joseph were introduced to the sky. He's like a high up, big guy in the mob. Harvey Chris Rosenberg, a conarcy gangster, introduced them to Roy de Mayo in 1966. Or sorry, he hadn't met him in 1966 while dealing cannabis at a gas station as you do. And initially, Chris, who introduced them to de Mayo, Chris hired Anthony and Joseph for minor tasks like washing his Corvette and his Porsche and occasionally stealing a car to, yeah. - Starting out small. - Yeah, he's like door dashing and also like lifting cars. Yeah, so by 1974 now, at age 19, Anthony and Joseph officially joined Roy de Mayo's crew and this was like a big deal, right? So this guy who's hired them for small jobs is like, let me introduce you to the big fella. - Yeah, you've earned your place in introducing yourself to someone. - Exactly. - And now you prove yourself from here on out. And so that's what happened. Yeah, they met, they joined Roy's crew. They operated actually out of the Gemini lounge and the lounge itself, the bar. It was this blue color neighborhood bar on Flatlands Avenue and Conarcy Brooklyn. The crew expanded to include a few more guys, including, now this is where I included all their names because they all have a-- - Joey the mud, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Okay, Joseph Dracula Giulielmo, that's Roy's cousin. Okay, in case you're wondering. Dracula feels a little too flamboyant for me. I feel like they've all got to be like-- - Dracula was a shock to me. - Yeah, yeah. It's got to be like-- - Dracula was like the killer. - Yeah. - It felt really out there. Yeah, Dracula, Guillermo, Henry Barrelli, Fredric Denome, Mavito, Arena. Okay, so actually a lot of these are just Italian names. But they still sound imposing, don't they? - Yeah, the one, I think one of them was called Money Maker. Like, they were just some wild. Like, very '70s, '80s. Like-- - I wish I knew what art, what we would be called if we got a cool nickname from a gang. - It wouldn't be cool. - I feel like it'd be something like the mouth. Like, like, fucking-- - The mouth? Oh my God, that podcasters, like the Yappers, I don't know. - We'd be like, we're the Gemini twins and they'd be like, literally stalkers. - It's Christine the mouth right there, yeah. Christine the mouth is so true. I'd be like, "Broad of broadcast." And they'd be like, get the mouth out of here. Silence the mouth. Okay, so the crew expanded to include a few more guys, Dracula, Henry Burrelli, Vito, Carlo, anyway. Within this structure, Anthony gained a reputation for providing the crew with significant revenue through his coordination of auto theft and international chop shop rings. And I like to think he put that on his LinkedIn bio because he's so well-written. I mean, God, he's really got like an elevator pitch for himself, you know? So despite Tony's commercial success as what they called the money maker, he was highly disliked by Albert D'Ameo Roy's son, who stated, quote, "There was something slick and phony about him." Now this is messy, right? Like, you have the big mob boss. And then the mob boss's son is suspicious and jealous of you, but your dad has taken him under his wing. Like this is messy already, you can tell. - Immediately there's gonna be a problem. - Egos are like on alert, you know? They are sensitive, they are fragile. So things escalate rapidly here, just told on tight. On April 1979, Roy D'Ameo, so like top dog, he publicly executed college student Dominic Ragucci after mistaking him for a Cuban hitman. - Ooh, that's a, that's a, that's an oopsie daisy right there. - It's a really bad one. So to avoid the immediate police crackdown, of course, the crew went to hiding an Anthony and Joseph fled to California. - Okay. - Shortly thereafter on May 11, 1979, Chris Rosenberg was executed by Roy as restitution to a Cuban drug cartel that Chris Rosenberg had defrauded. And Chris Rosenberg, remember, is the one who had introduced them. - Chris is the one who introduced them. - So Chris was the one who had hired them for like, clean my Porsche and clean my car and make for better whatever. And like, I'll introduce you to the big man. Okay, so then the big man had him executed. - I see, okay, I gotta, gotta, gotta. - Yeah, so like messy on every level. Yeah, so they executed him as restitution to a Cuban drug cartel that Chris Rosenberg had defrauded. So it was like a punishment, quote unquote, for defrauding this cartel they were working with. Following Chris Rosenberg's murder, Joseph then took on as the role of Roy's primary lieutenant and right hand man. - Big promotion. - Big promotion. And especially to execute the one who was serving that position and then be like, step right up. - Yeah, horrifyingly. - Oh my god, so I could just die at any minute, got it. - I guess in that case, you're already kind of in that mindset, you know? You're like, I might as well go all the way to the top, you know? - Yeah. - So he took that over, which was obviously the position held by Chris previously. And the crew at this point, like when in this, what do you call it, in this iteration of the crew, they were suspected of committing somewhere between 75 and 200 murders. - Hmm, wow. - Yeah, and they had a routine. They had a whole process, okay. The crew perfected this precise routine to dispose of bodies known as the Gemini method. - Oh shit, okay. - This is a lot of Gemini's slander as far as I'm concerned, but. - But as a Gemini, I'm curious what this means. - You're also like loving just the reaction. - Oh my god, we're talking about me again. What's up, there is a fallout boy line. Hold on, see, hear me out. There's a fallout boy line and it goes, I don't care what you think as long as it's about me. - Damn. Well, right now, I agree with that. - Right now, in this case, I agree with that. - I even have a t-shirt speaking of that says the best, and then the next line is the best of us can find happiness in misery. - Oh, that's the next line. - I know, listen, it's really good stuff. So, the Gemini method. Okay, so there could be a lot of hilarious memes here with Gemini method, ha ha ha, okay. Leave us one. - Christine said, don't even fucking try it. - Don't even get me started. So, I can just hear you right now. Okay, the crew perfected a precise routine to dispose of bodies known as the Gemini method to prevent the discovery of physical evidence and eliminate the corpus delicti under Roy Dimeo's famous motto, "No body, no crime." - Okay, can I guess that was the Gemini method? As a Gemini. - Absolutely, you may. - Immediately remove teeth and fingerprints. - Oh my God, that's just horrific. I did not think that you were gonna just go right there, but wow, okay. Am I wrong? If you're trying to get rid of evidence, right? You get rid of dental records and fingerprints. So, chop off their hands, chop, get rid of their teeth. - No, did I say that too quickly? - Do this suspicious? - Here's what I'll say. - It's just so, so much more gruesome in detail that I don't, I don't even think. - So, it's just like, it's okay, okay. - I think what you're saying is correct, but it's also at some level like amateur hours. - Sure. I don't even know if that's the Gemini way, that's just like classic murder ring and trying to hide the body with it. - Right, maybe that's what that is, maybe. But no, but you're, I mean, you're right. That was the idea to, but wow, you really shocked me when you just said like, take the teeth out. And I went, wait, whoa, whoa. And then I realized like, oh, we're getting-- - Excuse me, I'm part of a true crime podcast in almost 500 episodes. And I think I know to remove the teeth by now, you know? - I think maybe you do. And I think maybe you're onto something. And maybe you will really regret hearing the rest of this information, because it also contains, - I was gonna say, it's my payment for making you listen to being drawn in quartered again. - You know, I was actually gonna say I was a little bit upset by that drawn in quartered information. And then I realized what I'm about to tell you is so much talk. 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That's storyworth.com/drink. - The crew used a specialized toolkit containing guns, ropes, knives, ice picks, and saws following a strict sequence of steps. - Ice picks really got me. - Okay, let's go, let's go. - First, the victim was lured through a side door of the Gemini Lounge into the flat and shot once in the head with a suppressed pistol. A towel was instantly wrapped around the victim's head to contain blood flow. Another crew member would immediately plunge a knife into the victim's heart, stopping the heartbeat to halt blood pressure and prevent massive hemorrhaging from the head wound. - Okay. So far, we're like, it's mercy killing and then we're like trying to stay scientifically as clean as possible. - Mercy killing is an interesting way to put it. - I know, as I said it, I went, but at least it's like, let's put this way. Coming from someone who just described being drawn and quartered and it's nothing but pain, I was at least right to the head as at least comparatively between the two situations in an easier way to go. - You're right, it's very humane. - Pastor race. - Yeah, I hear, I hear, I hear, I know. - Just kidding. - I know, it's fucked up, I'm sorry, okay. - No, no, no, no, no, yeah, it is fucked up. There's really nothing else to say. - I don't like condone what they're doing, but like, you know. - Well, yeah, I would think not. But yeah, it's fascinating to stop the heartbeat to, I mean, it sounds like a doctor told them to do that. - Yeah. - That's what I was saying to the heck. - But do you remember, you worked as a butcher, you had like anatomical knowledge, and who knows if that's his skill he brought to the table, or if this is something they would just know as crime bosses. - Ah, it's so horrible, but. - I mean, I know it and I didn't want to. So, you know, it happens. Sometimes you just know things. - Okay. - The body was then dragged to the bathroom, hung over the bathtub. Okay, see, this is where I'm getting the butcher shop stuff again. - Yeah, I feel, yeah, just hate to let the blood - It's starting to really feel, yeah, yeah. It's starting to feel like that was, that's what's happening. The body was dragged to the bathroom, hung over the bathtub and allowed to bleed out down the shower drain. Oh, so that the remaining blood would congeal making dismemberment easier. I mean, trying to. trying to take all feeling out of this that does make sense. It is strategic. Well, I mean, I think it's just how you butcher an animal probably. Yeah, well, I've never even really thought about how you butcher an animal. So it okay, it makes sense why they do it with animals too. I assume, I mean, I don't know either really, but it is very dexter. A lot of this seems very similar. To prevent forensic trace evidence on their clothing, crew members frequently executed this process in their underwear. Okay. Now, that part feels like Gemini to me. That's where I'm starting to understand the connection, but that and only that. I, it's interesting because I would have thought more dexter where it's like put everything in like a plastic tarp, including yourself. But naked to me, I guess it makes sense, but God, I remember this is also like the 60s. So I don't know that we have like saran wrap at this point is probably like the newest thing on the block, you know, I guess my thought was like if we're trying to like if we're worried about like remnants of it being honest to do it all naked. So there's nothing but blood on us feels kind of counterintuitive, but I don't know. I don't know why I'm over thinking of this. I mean, I'm assuming if there are this many steps that there's probably a cleaning process afterward. Sure. You're right. If they were able to get away with 75 to 200. I don't know. I must be doing unfortunately. Yeah. Unfortunately. So oh God. Okay. So crew members frequently executed this process in their underwear. Fifth, the congealed corpse. That's a horrible word. The congealed corpse was placed onto a plastic swimming pool liner. So you were right on that front, spread across the living room floor. Using butchers tools, the crew systematically cut the body into manageable pieces with Anthony once reportedly selling a single body into nine separate pieces. Like reportedly like their bragging is just so gross. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sixth, the body parts were placed in plastic bags packed in cardboard boxes and transported to Brooklyn's fountain avenue landfill. And you remember they have ties to the recycling. Right. landfill. Yeah. Was that a thing? And like the sopranos or something where it's like you work for the landfill or like some probably something right. Yeah. Yeah. There's something about like you have a connection to a dump site. Yeah. That's kind of exactly what seems to be happening here. The massive volume of daily waste deposited at the dump made finding the remains virtually impossible, leading authorities to abandon a planned federal excavation because it was deemed too costly and unlikely to locate evidence. So they're saying like good luck finding it, you know. Yeah. Like there. Yeah. It's not even worth it. Cooperating witness, Vito Arena later testified in federal court about a 1979 dismemberment of two car ring members inside a dark building. Vito stated that during the dismemberment, Roy said we have to cut them up and then Roy instructed me and Henry Barrelli believe it or not to go and buy some pizza for everyone. Oh my god. God. It's just like so gruesome. Like and also like maybe the maybe the ordering pizza was like just get out of here so you don't have to witness anything. But it also feels like is it as casual as like oh we're just gonna get pizza after those because like we don't even think about this. I think it's more like you're the interns go get the pizza. We're doing all this hard work but that's that's why you could eat after that. That's like it would never be agreed. Really agreed. Oh my god. Andre Katz, a 22 year old auto mechanic, became the crew's first documented murder and dismemberment victim. So Andre had purchased a stolen vehicle from the crew and after being arrested began cooperating with a grand jury. And when they found out that he was like cooperating and would potentially testify blaming Chris Rosenberg for his legal troubles. He was beaten first and his brother Victor later testified that he claimed that two assailants were Joseph and Anthony. But he himself wasn't in court because on Friday June 13th of 1975 the crew had their female associate Babette. Okay. I know Babette Judith Questle. They had her successfully lure Andre to her apartment complex for what he thought was a date. Okay. Upon arrival, he was forcefully abducted by Chris Rosenberg, Henry Barrelli, Joseph, and Anthony, and transported to the meat department of a pantry-pride supermarket in Rockaway Beach Queens where Roy De Mayo was waiting. That's true. Andre was stabbed multiple times in the heart and back with a butcher knife by Chris Rosenberg in revenge for a prior shooting that had disfigured Chris Rosenberg's face. Once dead, his body was stripped of his clothes and dismembered by Roy and Joseph, leveraging their training as butcher apprentices. The head was severed and placed through a commercial machine normally used for compacting cardboard boxes. Oh shit. That's really like out of the sopranos or some shit like. Yeah, because like you think about having a dump at your disposal and the shore, you'd have the tools for that too. Oh trash compactor. So, yeesh. Okay. The raptor mains were deposited in the supermarket dumpster where a pedestrian walking a dog spotted one of Andre Katz's legs lying on a curb near the store. And wouldn't you know it, the body had to be identified using dental records. So you were on to something that they didn't seem to figure out. I am shocked that that's the Gemini method because I thought surely you wouldn't just take nine chunks of a person and then just put them in a fucking box. Like I would think you would take those smaller chunks of a person and then like burn them or something. That was their first that was their first identified victim. Oh, oh, oh. So I think that was like before they've developed a method to this craziness. Like I think that was just the first the early example of like their first victim and then it kind of just continued on from there. Yeah, he was the first documented of dismembered and murdered and dismembered. And then they started like creating a process around that. So here we go. Joseph and Henry Burrelli were arrested, but they secured an acquittal in January 1976. So the murder remained a core target for federal investigators. Frank Amato was a Gambino associate married to Constance Castellano, the daughter of Gambino family boss Paul Castellano. In a traditional old-world style wedding. Now talk about time machine. I want to take a time machine to that wedding. Truly. Following the marriage, Paul Castellano set Frank Amato up in business as an Italian ice distributor, which quickly failed. Frank was put to work as a butcher at Dial Meat Prevayers and the meat market franchises managed by Paul Castellano son Joseph in Philip. And now that they had all of this access, they were like expanding. And at the supplier sites, Frank Amato and other butchers would also do some like really nasty tactics like with the food. So they would bleach tainted outdated and unexpected meats to like try and keep them looking fresh. Yeah, it's not. It's really nasty. So they would bleach tainted outdated and unexpected didn't meet. It's using formaldehyde and a preservative powder known as dynamite to put red color back into the meat. And they used counterfeit USDA stamps and labeled meat as beef or pork without actually verifying what it was. Yum. Yum. Oh my god. Oh my god. So I tell you all this about Frank Amato because fearing that Frank Amato would cooperate with federal agents and angered by reports that Frank Amato had made unwanted sexual advances toward female employees, Paul Castellano said he's got to die. Roy De Mayo shot Frank Amato to death with a machine gun. Oh my god. I know. And Roy Henry Burelli, Anthony Joseph and Frederick and Richard Denome dismembered the body. The remains were then loaded into Richard Denome's cabin cruiser and dumped several miles out to see in 1986. Marat Balugula, the leader of the Russian mafia and Brighton Beach operated a multi-billion dollar gasoline bootlegging scam. And after being extorted by the Colombo family, Marat agreed to pay street tax. Sorry. This is a lot of like mob talk. A lot of. I feel like I'm just sitting in. I know. I'm like the gargoyles would have been useless by now. Like we've lost the yeah. So he agreed to pay street tax to the luchesie crime. Is that I say luchesie? Luchesie. Luchesie. To the luchesie crime family underboss. Anthony gas pipe gas. I see that's much better than good. That's moneymaker drag. Totally. Dragula establishing a partnership that became the five families largest moneymaker after narcotics. So Marat. I hope I'm saying that right. Balagula Balagula. His deal was viewed as a sign of weakness by his rival Vladimir Reznikov, who opened fire on his office with an AK-47 wounding several secretaries and killing an associate. And then on June 12, 1986, Vladimir Reznikov entered the Odessa nightclub, pressed a 9-millimeter barretta to Marat Balaguas head and demanded $600,000, saying, "Fuck with me and you're dead. You and your whole fucking family, I swear. You understand." Marat suffered a heart attack as a result. Damn, just from the stress. Yes. And he contacted Caso and Caso, viewing Vladimir Reznikov's actions as a threat to the entire Khosanostra, told Marat, "Send word to Vladimir, first of all, great line. Send word to Vladimir that you have his money, that he should come to the club tomorrow. We'll take care of the rest." So now they're laying you weight for this guy. Totally. Marat warned, "You sure this is an animal, they were sure." Okay. The following day, Vladimir Reznikov arrived at the Rasputin nightclub to collect his money. Upon discovering, Marat was absent. Vladimir launched into a barrage of profanity and walked back into the parking lot. This is where Joseph ambushed Vladimir, shooting him six times in the arm-like and hip. And as Vladimir attempted to draw his own weapon, Joseph, "finished him off with a seventh bullet to the head." Joseph then entered a getaway car driven by Anthony and left Brighton Beach. So like the Gemini twins in the getaway car, there they go. Okay. Zoom. Caso later noted, "After that, Marat didn't have any problems with other Russians." Okay. You know what? Thank God. Thank God. Seriously. I don't know. In late 1982, Paul Castellano ordered Frank DeSico to arrange the murder of Roy Domeo because Roy was now a threat to this whole enterprise. He's under heavy law enforcement investigation. And Paul Castellano is like, "If he turns, everyone underneath is screwed." Because of his fearsome reputation, like Roy Domeo is like this huge crime boss. Frank found it difficult to find anyone who would like take out a hit on this guy. He's trying to take out a hit, but he can't find anyone who wants to do the hit. No one's volunteering. No, no, no. So Frank recruited Anthony and Joseph, members of Roy's crew, to kill their own boss. Double agent. I mean, that's, I mean, is that not the most jump in I think you can do? It is. He's trying to really track at this point. Don't they say, "German eyes are too faced?" It's like. Yeah. They do. Well, you're against your own kind. Crazy. Oops. According to Sammy, the bull, Gravano, Paul Castellano wanted the whole Domeo crew killed because they had all become serial killers. Wow. Feels like fighting fire with fire, but. It does feel like you could find this like Frankenstein, Dr. Frankenstein against his own monster. Right. And it's like, "Well, who actually is creating this problem?" We created this problem. I don't want him to pitch you to a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah. You want to kill the killers? Okay. Sure. Yeah. Sure. Whatever. So Frank, Disiko, approached Anthony and Joseph, told them about the contract on them, but promised they would get a pass, meaning they would be spared if they killed Roy. So that's basically how they talked them into it. Sure. Well, we'll put out a hit on YouTube. Nobody has a problem with that. But we'll spare you if you kill your boss. Right. Okay. So, Caso also claimed he ordered Anthony and Joseph to kill Roy, assuring them there would be no retribution and then they would just like join the big family and everybody would just be happy again. It's all good. It doesn't even worry about it. It doesn't even matter. Family anything. On January 10th, 1983, Roy visited Patrick's Body Shop, Patrick Testamotor's Inc. in Kinersey, Brooklyn, to collect money. Anthony and Joseph were both there and as Roy De Mayo sat down and waited for a cup of coffee. And if he had countless times, they shot him dead. On January 20th, 1983, Roy was found in the trunk of his Cadillac. His body was found, I should say, in the trunk of his Cadillac, Coup Deville. At the Varuna boat club parking lot, he had been shot multiple times in the head with the defensive bullet wound in his hand and a chandelier placed on top of his frozen body. Interesting. Yeah. I think it's like a little bit of a bit of a baleic. Bizarre. I think they probably were like, let's just put something. Something so obvious that it's clear that we were here. I guess. No, I think they were hiding him in the trunk. They put him in the trunk and they put a chandelier on it. I was like, so, I don't, I couldn't stand it with the opera. Yeah. I was like, this makes, okay, whatever, that makes a lot more sense. Sorry. No, he was in his own. It doesn't really make more sense though. No, it makes more sense. So what I was thinking, it's like a calling card of like, oh no, yeah, I think it was more just like, oh, let's put him in the trunk and then put something else in it. Sure. To hide him sort of. Or maybe there was already a chandelier in the trunk and they just put it on top of it. Yeah. Because it's his car, so I don't really know the answer to that. So the Gambino family did keep their word and they spared Anthony and Joseph, but they did not want them associated with their family. So they were passed off to Caso and officially made in the Lucasey family, crime family. In October 1984, the federal government issued a multi-count indictment targeting the international stolen car export ring. And together, the defendants were tried. It was Paul Castellano, Anthony, Gaji, Henry Burrelli, Peter LaFrocia, Ronald Torekian, Edward Rendini, Ronald Osig at Joseph, Anthony, whole gang was there. Paul Castellano was assassinated on the streets of New York during the trial. Yes. This shit is getting bonkers. I won't say who, but I know someone who witnessed his death. What? Yeah. The fuck? They, not like they were in on it, but like they had, they had behind a car and witnessed it. What the fuck? Yeah. Yeah. Literally, I said that and you were like, oh, yeah, well, because like earlier when you said Paul Castellano, I went, I don't know if I'm going to tell that story. I really should. I have to text you later. Okay. Wow. So moving right along, he was assassinated on the streets of New York with no witnesses during the trial. No witnesses. No witnesses. I'm saying, no, no, no, I'm saying no witnesses. Not even the person you're talking about. Keep moving out of the headline. It's exactly right. The jury acquitted both Anthony and Joseph of conspiracy to transport stolen vehicles and substantive transport charges, they also face charges under certain laws for conspiring to violate the civil rights of federal witnesses by basically killing them. It feels a little wild to say they violated their rights, but any, okay, that was so odd. So all this to say, the jury was unable to reach a verdict on the civil rights conspiracy count for Anthony and Joseph. There was a mistrial because of it. And in May of 1988, the court rejected their double jeopardy claims and ruled they could be retried on the civil rights conspiracy count. They then merged that into a 78 count racketeering indictment charge, Rico, 24 individuals associated with the Domeo crew. So this is one of those like where you see those documentaries where it's like they're just putting, they're like explaining to you, like all the pieces. That's kind of almost feels like a combo to be a lot of restaurant. It's like a yes, just how do we fit everybody into these charges? And in like it's somehow all connects with that red string. So the trial began on February 22, 1988 before Judge Vincent Albradric, it lasted 16 months and produced over 30,000 pages of transcripts involving over 250 witnesses. So some of the co-defendants included were pretty big names. The one I'm going to point out here is Douglas Riga. And Douglas Riga was actually known for supplying pornographic films to the crew. That was like his role in the crew. So even he was part of this like big Rico, like we're putting them all under one umbrella. He had actually paid them to murder his uncle over a real estate dispute. So you know. Okay. And just one example, what a dispute it must have been what a dispute during the trial in October 1988, Anthony and Joseph were arrested on drug possession charges after being caught using cocaine in the courthouse bathroom, like easy slip during the trial. Okay. No. Come on. In June 1989, the jury convicted Anthony and Joseph of racketeering and 10 counts of murder. Okay. In September 1989, Judge Broderick sentenced both men to life imprisonment for the murders, plus a consecutive 20 years for racketeering and $35,000 in fines. The assistant U.S. attorney at the time stated at sentencing, "The Roy Domeo crew is the most violent crew ever prosecuted in federal court as far as my knowledge." and asserted that Roy engaged in wholesale slaughter. - Wow. - Yes. - Wow. - Yep, and because their crimes occurred prior to the abolition of federal parole in '87, both remained eligible for parole. And yeah, just really crazy. Anthony and Joseph have also been linked to like dozens of other murders of like other mobsters, you know, that they had been involved in. So really, we don't know like the full extent of it. Anthony was paroled in 2023 and was released in June of 2024. - Wow. - After serving 35 years. And Joseph was paroled in 2024. He resided in Henderson, Nevada where he died. This year, January of 2026 at the age of 71. - Wow. - But yeah, Anthony's still out there. - Wow. - Pretty crazy stuff. - That's a tall order to cover any Italian mob case. - I really tried to dwindle it down, but and I had such confidence that I would remember how to frame it in a way that was like, oh, you'll remember, you know, what this means. And like. - No, it's also, I mean, it's years of friendship out. Or friendship enemy friendship enemy friend. Like and everybody's got tied into each other. That's families and you're really only telling like one chapter of a very large story. - Oh, yes. I think that this could be a very big HBO, like, well, it probably is because it's called sopranos, but you know what I mean? - Yeah. - Like, this could be like an actual, it probably is a documentary, but. - There's many documentaries about just tiny little, just like the big five. - Like, slivers of families. - Right. Exactly. - Oh my God. Wow. No, that was, that was well done. That's, it's tough to cover any of them because every single one of them has like polycastolano has. - Yeah, exactly. - But he just was a guest appearance of that story. - There were, I was like, I'll pick two or three of them, like, just like notable, like, events or victims. And it was like, oh my God, like, it's just endless. Like, I don't, I just kind of had to pick and choose like, examples, which is kind of dark. - Well, and also, I got to share more about my lore about someone knowing. - I know, but like, you left us with such like, a little tease that I'm like, so intrigued. - Maybe fair, the person that knew about it was, he was a family member, but he died already. So it's not like, it's not like they're gonna come looking for us. - Okay, okay. - And also, why would they? Apparently, he kept his mouth shut the whole time. So. - No one, no one ran away. - No one ran away, so it took it to the grave literally. - But no, and he, it was my grandpa. But he was very drunk one night and let it out. And he was like, I've never told anybody this. And I went, oh, but he was just walking home and witnessed it. And he hid behind a car. And then I was like, I just watched Holly Castellano die. Holy shit. And then it was like, I'm not telling a, I'll never tell a soul. He said, I'm never telling a soul. I don't want to come back to me. - What was his zodiac sign? 'Cause it certainly wasn't Gemini. - The day before Halloween. So, Scorpio. - They are good at those fucking secrets. So Scorpio's, they live under-- - They're mysterious. - Mysterious. - They are. Anyway, it was a-- - Wow. - I remember hearing about that. And not, he also told me when I was much younger, I wouldn't have cared at all about any Italian mob family history. So maybe that's why he said something to me. 'Cause he knew it wouldn't get around, but whatever, it's gone around now. But it happened every time. - Now you're on a microphone. Anyway. - Now my microphone. He's dead, so I don't want to. Okay, well, that was very good. That was, had to be a lot of research. Good job. - Thank you. It was a lot of research, but then I paired it down and then it was almost like, I wish I had kept a little more of that, but no, it's fine. I, it was too much of an order to do more in depth than that. But yeah, next time I will come with something maybe a little bit less of a cast of characters, you know? We'll see. - I don't know. If they've got fun nicknames like that, they're always welcome. All right, well, that was Christine the mouth sheifer. (laughing) Yeah, wait, what are you? - I don't know. - Em the brains. Wow, that's a nice thing to say, but no, (laughing) it's like an ironic nickname, isn't it? - No. - No, that was a very good Christine. Thank you for, and you finished out our birthday. - Oh my gosh. - 'Cause I was technically our birthday episode. - Originally a happy birthday. - Well, everyone hope you are having a good Pride month. Happy week. This, I think this one comes out. It's officially halfway through the year. So. - Oh my God. - Yeah, so. - With that tuteloo and. - Let's get out of here. That's why we drink.