E485 A Biblically Accurate Batman and a Birthday Bark Mitzvah

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The ASPCA is not engaged in the business of insurance. so smart i was like that genius whipped cream was the only thing i didn't bring at my party that's the only thing you didn't bring okay well now that begs the question what the hell did you bring that's the only thing the only thing missing did you have a bounce house did you have like a petting zoo like barney technically the dog park is a petting zoo oh you beautiful check so um i we had a dreidel sorry you can hear the birthday boy himself yeah he's like uh let me tell you about my day it was really extra special i'm a man now actually he's a birthday man yeah he's been acting like it he's like i'm the boss um there you go okay he's done drinking thank god um oh i we had dreidel for it to be a bar mitzvah which i don't even know i don't think they play that at bar mitzvahs but i was trying to think of anything jewish that was dog friendly yeah um and i also had to make my own poker like game chips because usually you play with chocolate and can you imagine if i brought chocolate to a dog park oh my word in heaven um i we brought pin the tail on the hankies m kills an entire burbank resident it would really put like a not so great spot on my first time your burbank newspaper would have a different headline brad corb finally steps aside to let you know brad corb knows things have gotten bleak okay brad corb wouldn't kill your dog i have i mean really like it speaks for itself um no it was it was very fun but this this time around it's rb days uh it are mine is in two days yours is in three oh my word that's right i told leona today as we record this at my birthday's in 10 days and she was like freaking out she was like we are so behind preparations i like how she's already stressed because she knows the importance of a theme i know and i'm like girl you don't have to do anything and she's like step aside do you think she um is at an age where blaze has like told her like quote secret like surprises about like what we're doing for mommy for her birthday or does she not know what's going on no she does she does it's just a secret we're all in on the moment she's in on the secret everyone's in on the secret got it okay but it's still a secret so you know like i wouldn't know so maybe the secret is like we're gonna have fun you know yeah or like you know mommy wants to do something like uh or or or the secret would be i bought this let's pick this out for mommy but let's make it a secret we don't tell her and so then she comes home and says mommy i'm not going to tell you about the beautiful flowers we just bought at the store you know like so it's a secret i will never know um right right right it's just accidentally been already told to me so she's really working on kind of semantics and she'll get there with me as her mother so we'll get there are you excited about your birthday do you know what you're gonna do yet have i do because i'm a huge nerd um there is a history walk on monmouth my in my main in my neighborhood they're doing a big history a self-guided tour and i'm going to do a history walk on monmouth and i'm going to do a history walk on i'm going to go to the self-guided tour and go into all the old buildings and look for creepy little ghosts and stuff and just wander around and learn about the history of newport kentucky that's awesome i did not know you were a history buff i just i think i just have had to finally accept that about myself okay like that i'm just a huge fucking nerd sick brother well then i um thanks dad let's be trying to be the fun parent after the harsh talk we had um sick you like history too not the civil war kind okay well is there any um okay last question i'll ask but since you're nerdy about it and it's your birthday and it's something you want to go do is there a building you're hoping you'll learn more about that you think has good history i hadn't thought of that until this very moment absolutely so i have two answers first of all i'm opening my child blood orange blood orange i love a bo oh it's my favorite i love a bo and it's my favorite blaze has been getting blaze has been getting at the store and i the day he bought them i yeah i turn i'm kind of like i'm like i'm like i'm like i'm like leona i know it's shocking i turned him and i said buy more and he's just bought like four and i was like well buy more well you know what he's i'm sure he's used to it between you and leona just everyone always wants more of whatever he's doing it was actually shocking how little he reacted um yeah it was kind of i had to look inward um yeah i'm hoping to go into that building that you and i learned about on that ghost tour that creepy auto printing building which every time i drive past i'm like expecting to see something in the windows up there it's where bounced around and they made it sound horrible oh it was so creepy and that was when that batman the full fully yes i remember when batman walked by batman walked past it wasn't like a batman it was no no it was the most biblically accurate batman i've ever seen in my life it was a biblically accurate batman and he walked right past us as we were learning about the fucking building um that and the place where i went to prom which was um it's called the syndicate and it's an it's called gangster it's a gangster's dueling piano bar is what it's called incredible i mean you can quote me on that i don't think they have internet um but essentially this building uh is just this creepy old building where a bunch of like mobsters back in the day died and it's very haunted but i had my prom there that's very cool so you know maybe i'll get to go inside did you have an after prom um i don't know because i wasn't really cool enough for that so instead my date when i went to his prom his high school had an after prom and i was like this is the coolest thing that's ever happened to me because i didn't drink in high school so like i wasn't i was totally straight edge um and really really proud and insecure about it and so then i went to the duality is crazy a proud and insecure i i contain multitudes what can i say cool and sick brother wait i love you brother rock and roll brother um they had skyline chili there and it was in this huge gymnasium i mean it was this huge high school called oak hills that i had never even like heard of and then they were like oh there's like 3 000 kids that go to the school and i was like what crazy and so i went to the after prom there and i was like oh my god this is awesome they had like but what was that and it was just this huge gymnasium and they had like all this shit like carnival games and we had that was all night long i was like that's awesome because they didn't want people to drink yeah ours was at like a trampoline house or something yeah it was at like a fun park or something yeah yeah yeah which i i feel like in hindsight as an adult i'd be like of course let's put all of the people all the kids with way too much fucking energy let's like totally it was it's just the adult version of like let's well and they're all like hormonal and they're all like eye each other it's like danger zone danger zone let's not bring beer into the mix you know i mean this is gonna end badly i get it agreed agreed um what are you doing for your birthday are you going to an after prom um i i'm not going to an after prom that would be very illegal i think i'm learning and also like so troubling i think chris hansen would be at that after prom you don't finally you'd get his autograph um it'll be on like the judge's warrant yeah can i just take a picture of that for me imagine if i had a judge's warrant of chris hansen and i went oh my god seriously i have his autograph and it's like no he's signing you over to prison actually so like yes and both two things can two things can be true first of all is what you need to know and you also contain multitudes and i want you to remember that thank you thank you that's what i'm gonna that's that'll be my defense be like your honor you don't get it i can say i'll be your attorney don't worry things will go very well um i'm sure nothing bad will happen no so no after prom for me um no after prom because i'm going to the building where i went to prom and i'm going to learn the history about it which is a super cool thing to do on your birthday not i would like to go back to where i went to prom i went to um a bougie school and i my prom was on a cruise i know oh like like a river cruise yes we had a river cruise dance too it was very fun i also went to a bougie school but we didn't get to do the fun trampoline thing i don't know why it was um me and one other school not me and i don't know our my school me versus a whole school what if you were homeschooled what if you were homeschooled and this is your way and i just like jumped onto their prom and i went me and that was my my bougie teacher and we had a problem on a cruise because she had a work event me and another school which was your cousin oh man can you guys tell it's gemini season because it's fucking riling me up dude i'm like unstoppable it's so annoying um my okay so my birthday uh well allison poor allison because now that hanks in the picture she has two gemini's to deal with i know it's really delightful i'm sure she's sweating bullets my butt um i i don't know what she has planned for my birthday um next year is uh three five for me and i'm gonna make that a my birthday um i'm gonna make that a my milestone birthday and so i told her this this time around she we can play it cool we can be chill but next year i want to go do something crazy um i don't know what we're what what her plan is she she said that she's taking me on a on a trip at some point i think it's next weekend we're going on on a little getaway but i don't know where bring your pillow i literally i know i was like so far i'm nervous um good start tell me there will be a hotel this time um and she won't tell you where we're going so i am a little nervous about that but well i'm getting nervous i'm getting nervous too because i did want to add one thing and i feel like we're going to make the listeners very nervous if we don't mention this which is that we are also taking one of our holiday weeks next week we have never really had holiday weeks this is the first year we've had them and built into our schedule um i think most podcasts do have them and we're just the weirdos who've never had one so we were like why not birthday week um and since you're going on a trip anyway maybe it'll be a good coinciding but i don't want people to be like did m die and then there's no you know what i mean like that's excellent where my last words were like i'm a little nervous and then all of a sudden they're not recording yeah and then everyone digs back and is like oh my god so before that happens um just fyi there's not an episode coming out next week but it's not hopefully not because m's dead um well you know both things can be true and contains multitudes no we i thank you for reminding your baby yeah so on oh god you know what week it's is the week of six seven oh fuck me well no wonder we're taking time off we didn't for that we will not be here but we will have another episode out on the 14th the following week yeah um but no i don't know what i'm doing my only request has been that we go to um a brazilian steakhouse where like the meat just keeps coming right like bring it on that's my only request um good for you good for you yeah that's that's it i and then next year i mean i already told you i want it to be a big one but next year hopefully if i've finished all my states um it will my birthday will be in alaska that's my plan is that oh now that would be cool oh finish it out and i've been warning i've been telling everybody i'm like if you are thinking about ever going to alaska and you like just don't have a reason you just need to like pull the trigger just know that somebody you know will be in alaska in june if you need like a home base or if you want to share a hotel or something you say because it does sound like you're saying in juno and so sorry it doesn't really i think my brain just is mental but i think you just did something though because now i have to spend june in juno it's supposed to be i mean come on you can't not but it's so far a weird assortment of people have said that they're they're thinking about coming oh tell me like one person from the dog park allison's sister only like it's like she's like i'm leaving the child behind and the family yes like i think it would be like a family trip but allison told me like she doesn't want to go to alaska oh you're saying her sister only not allison correct what she know what she would love alaska i feel like not that i've ever fucking been there well she's she's been before and she said it was her favorite place she's ever visited so she wants to go back and i was like oh well i'll be there and she's like oh that's interesting i don't know if it'll actually happen but but everybody that's been considering it at all even for a second i'm like this is gonna be a weird group of people it's gonna be fun yeah um anyway so if for some reason you want to catch me in alaska your best chance is in june 2027 in juno okay got it in juno exactly that's the theme now excellent i finally have a theme i was worried it's pretty good i would say so that's my b-day i i that's i you know what's so weird is because i just was doing hank's thing and i don't i don't two days ago that's my birthday so i'm i feel ill prepared to even like celebrate myself happens when you have a child suddenly you're like oh wait i've misplaced my own self self concern worst thing i did was get a dog who um i plan on giving birthday parties too and it's the week before my birthday because now are you sure because i feel like it's almost like you can kind of like get people you're like see i throw a good party and then you can like amp it up and be like you're thinking that's now now you want to come because you're gonna have a phone if you imagine and think about and do you think about how much the pup cups are weighing on you that you forgot these don't i mean they are i was like mine will have actual alcohol if you want to come so i will not for the dogs please don't do this again um with the chocolate and the alcohol be so careful with these dogs oh your birthday ones my birthday ones yeah um okay well i that that great great good job um you didn't ask but i'm drinking uh coffee bean today which it's tea but from a place that starts with coffee i really really really really really was confused i thought you were drinking coffee and i was like i'm actually leaving it's like getting coffee from a tea house but it's tea from a coffee house gotcha whatever um whatever but she's really she's really getting me going today i took a sip and i went wow that's you all should pour some down your leg and my leg said let me lest we forget you said that was gonna be a good sip straight down the way it was gonna be a good sip and i watched her listen to anyway so that's i guess that's why i drink i was i was actually struggling on like why i drink this week but i guess it's our birthday week fuck yeah happy birthday next year you'll be in alaska i love this i love this energy already excited and scared for my wallet because that's going to be an expensive d-day um oh one last thing we have to announce is that uh as our something that it's so fun we did not come up with this by this was an eva megan jack concoction of sorts was this a jack concoction i think i think he uh so the name was a megan creation okay but the invention was just kind of like it just sort of came down from the heavens yeah so we've been doing a lot of um trying to collaborate with uh the podcast on our network and get their name out there we've also been on their shows and it's been very very fun to get to like chat with all these people um but we want to be able to put those in their own little space and and have what we're calling a club of sorts but christine i want you to say that say that all right we're introducing you by parapods the brand new parasocial club okay it's so good and like we don't mean parasocial in like oh it's gotten way out of hand parasocial we mean parasocial like i want to be friends with that podcaster so let's have them on we're going to do a little breakout chat okay we're going to do breakout chats between all the different podcasts and you know there might be like true crime talk on between certain podcasters like if taylor and i want to chat true crime or if m wants to chat ghosts with somebody or movies with like that's pretty darker whatever it's just so fun to have like a new space where we can explore other topics and things and not like bog the feeds down themselves while also promoting the shows that we're super proud of that yes joined us but but also i mean you know we love a play on words and parasocial the parapods are you kidding me gemini's like it all just really works i mean presented by parapods parasocial club it's it's just really fun and so you recorded some fun little intro like word vomiting when you hear it jack will have masterfully edited it to sound great but i promise um the rough cuts are us giggling through the whole thing because i literally was reading my own acting notes i was like get creative about this oh wait that's not a line so maybe it's in there maybe it's not well our first official big launch of the parasocial club will be on youtube it'll be on thursday june 11th um so go check it out and yeah watch us chat on youtube and discover a new show that maybe you don't know of yet that that could be a new favorite to binge you don't know or just watch this chat like sometimes i mean i'm for sure gonna try and request to chat about um brave little toaster with that's pretty dark because i need i have a lot to get off my chest fair enough that's i would listen to that and uh you know like some true crime i've been dying to discuss with taylor who's also very like you know um up up on the news when it comes to true crime she and i text and voice memo about true crime but it would be cool to actually put that out there as content and stuff like i think the first episode the two of you do should just be a constant feed of all of your audio chats for the public oh we should just play them yeah that's actually a great idea and then you don't have to say anything you just sit there and hold your phone but then it'll be like oops spilled tea down my leg like or whatever the hell that was gonna be a good sip that was gonna be a good sit straight down the leg oh yeah yeah well um thank you for remembering that we're very excited about evo is like are you sure about parasocial club and we were like yep fuck it uh i think it's a fun name i love it uh i know it's kind of like parasocial has a bad rap but generally parasocial is just a word it doesn't it's not inherently negative like i have parasocial relationships with all the podcasts i listen to because i'm like oh i mean hopefully they're not out of hand but you know the best part about having a podcast network is getting to work with all the people you do have some sort of like healthy parasocial relationship with anyway we can get to know each other outside of that yeah exactly so uh yeah welcome to the parasocial club it'll be starting soon on youtube and um we'll link it in the show notes well i ask i think every year so i'm just gonna end on this before we get into the story but for your b-day is there a cake flavor you're hoping for or a dessert flavor because here's the thing this is a few days in advance blazel has a chance to get you exactly what you want if he hears this come out oh shit you're so right i gotta be so careful alison if chocolate covered strawberries aren't there i'll simply lose my mind oh we don't want that we don't want that um i'm thinking oh my gosh i'm feeling like a little carrot cake this year going back to my roots i think you said that last year too i don't think i got it last year interesting and now i think blaze is gonna be like yeah you did dumb bitch he's gonna be like i bought you six carrot cakes and you fucking ought no um he's he will get me exactly what i want he's a lovely lovely man he's nice enough he'll probably if he if you even think you didn't get it last year he'll probably just make you two he'll just be like he'll actually say you're right even if i wasn't right and then be like here are three more and i'll be like you're too good to me it's my favorite when they just say you're right it's my favorite it's my least favorite it makes me so mad oh really oh yeah i'm like fight me oh i'm like fucking fight me wow i'm like i just desperately i just desperately want to be seen and as soon as alison goes you're right i go fucking pause earth what are you talking about i need to hear but see i love that you said this because that's all i want to is that i want to be seen but then when someone says you're right i'm like you're just placating me and that's not seeing me that's just what if they actually think you're right well i don't believe you okay prove it all right like actually show me documentation of when your brain synapses decided this work harder exactly got it okay write it down put it on a pinboard i don't care show me the evidence show me the work show me your work don't use a calculator you're using a calculator that's like under my lap right now you can't texas instruments my love oh now that is fallout boy that is holy shit you know it's so crazy tell me i was just thinking i signed up for a poetry class and i was like what if i took a songwriting class i mean so here's the situation what if i taught a songwriting class i need to you to lock the fuck in right now tick tock silly town is has departed we've departed silly town jokes out of the room i need you to know that you would be shockingly good and you would what would piss me the right the fuck off here's what would piss me off here's what would t-u-o it would it would freaking t-m-i-o t-m-e-o is that you would you you're one of those people where i think the less you tried the better like you it would just naturally come like if you're trying just stop because you just say shit like oh you can't texas instrument my soul or some shit and all of a sudden that's incredible like don't even try like you should be you should do poetry where one night you try and one where you don't the graph and calculator of my to my heart yeah i mean i get it okay but like you know what also like what is it so good but i'm placating you see what i mean i need like real depth not texas instruments level depth wait i'm placating you are you no i'm placating myself i'm having a mental break my god like i hope your therapist is on speed dial because like i i'm telling you there's that's not placating you're just like like lucky that like you just have a skill and you're like no no no i simply must be placating myself earlier i web md'd some of my symptoms and it said and it said kundalini awakening kunda what kunda what i started laughing it was like maybe you're having a kundalini awakening and i was like thanks cora did you gather information on what that means at all absolutely and i'm absolutely having one okay well you know what it sounds like cora was on on spot i know web md helped me zero it was like you're probably having an aneurysm and i was like that can't be right kundalini awakening feels real sometimes cora or even throwback cha-cha would have been able to diagnose us immediately do you have any idea how many times i'm like you know fuck chat gbt i want cha-cha to tell me what's going on cha-cha help me do you want to know the scariest thing that ever happened on cha-cha this is a real story yeah okay here's here's two real stories the first one isn't scary the second one is i got custom nikes in high school i don't know why nobody knows why it was a waste of my money on the back i didn't know what to write and i came up with all these you know i was trying too hard as you suggested with the songwriting trying way too hard so i asked cha-cha what should i write it's a jumbo shrimp and i went in done okay and you know that was a person who got paid a quarter of a million dollars and i was like okay i'm gonna write a to just pick 100 but they just like they nailed it and i was like great can you imagine if the person who was your cha-cha answerer that day is listening to this and found out just now that they were they jumbo shrimped your shoes the person i want to find is this person actually if we're going to find somebody from the cha-cha now that would be scary platform user server server side one day i asked cha-cha something very inane like i said i don't know like uh how many i'll find the there's a screenshot or whatever the early version of a screenshot was back then you're taking a picture with your camera of the computer screen 100 yeah it was a picture of my flip phone probably but i said something like how many degrees celsius is something in fahrenheit some conversion it responded stigmata is the and it gave the definition with blood pouring out of the where christ was nailed to the cross and i was like hey that's the shit i would call for sure that is the person where i'm like who are you and why would you do such a thing if you're getting paid a quarter to come up with answers for people you know someone and obviously we do because you just mentioned them someone is having the time of their life just giving you the wrong answer and now you have to text another cha-cha person you gotta be i gotta be honest you've you fucked with me big time whoever you are so honestly actually in the comments if you worked for cha-cha or know someone to work for cha-cha i would kill to know what response so i applied to cha-cha and i got to like the final round and i somehow didn't make it like i didn't make the cut but i got through the first couple rounds and it was very exciting and then the service like shut down but so that might be what happened but i was like really in it i was like i'm gonna be the newest i'm gonna be the newest cha-cha that's how did we get here where am i what i truly don't know the the path we took i'm gonna call my mom to pick me up okay oh no i remember your songwriting or poetry or something oh right literally i'm gonna be i need you to know that like truly you have a gift and you need to just close your eyes and not think and just essentially automatic right shit like this calculator shit maybe i'm channeling somebody maybe maybe it's pete wentz himself i don't know i'm just like i'm like tapping all his creative reserves followed by never releases an album again i uh oh oh my god i know this is the longest intro in the world but it's our birthday shut the fuck up um what the fuck final question because everyone needs to know because last time you were going to update us how the hell did your little hiyako your oh i i gotta be honest i am a walking bruise remember i'm now now i'm a literal remember when i said i feel like a walking bruise well now i'm a literal so fuck me i guess because now i'm a walking bruise i literally from rolling around on the floor um but did you have fun my prediction was you'd have fun it's so fun see i fucking told you remember you're like oh i'm nervous now you're literally going to be good at it shut up i've literally gone like six times now see no it's it's like it's like unwell and the episode came out yesterday where we brought it up so i'm super nervous because tomorrow is the women's class and i'm like oh my god are people going to come to the women's class after i mentioned it i don't know i mean at least now you kind of have like six classes ahead of them to defend yourself i literally to defend myself i was like at least i'll be prepared to show them the ropes you're like at least you'll be prepared to defend yourself like a throat punch now right you think they're gonna attack me our listeners are like all right finally i know where she'll be so don't mess with her she's a brand new white belt everybody okay she has not a belt in sight don't worry she has not even a belt so wait you still you still have to earn a white belt i thought you just get handed a white belt i know you get that i mean i certainly did not so it may be one does but but christine does not that's entirely possible like you're too powerful with this sure yeah i like your perspective um there's a lot of rolling around on the floor so i'm learning about how to like actually do things like a roll like roll sideways so i'm fit i mean this is not i'm not gonna please don't come and punch me anybody because i'm she'll get you she's almost a white belt i'm just saying i'm not gonna she'll get you look out i tried to tickle blaze he was like here this is how you do it and i was like then i would go tickle tickle and it didn't work and i was like what do you mean and he's like you can't just tickle me off of like that's not how and i was like i really thought that was going to be like my secret weapon i want you to know that i wanted you to finish your sentence but what what what i just held in with all my might was bursting out laughing at you saying tickle tickle i think that was that would have i'm telling you if i ever attacked somebody and they tickled me i'd be like you fucking win get away from me he was like and then you you put them in a triangle to choke them and i was like tickle tickle and it didn't work and i'm really i thought like surely i would this will make him laughing i was like surely he'll let go um i don't know how you would save the day through comedy except i do and it's because you would defend the entire room by going tickle tickle and the guy would go oh my god i have to get out of here and then i would get choked out and just lay unconscious on the floor and it would be really sad i what a what a what a i mean what a listen path we've taken anyway let's get back to you and your thing it's more more important not really i just want to hear all of your tactics you've learned so far with tickle tickle so what it has to work at least once at least what on someone who isn't expecting it it's like i've heard a few people in my day especially in high school i had some friends who like to fight and they one of them always said that his secret tactic was that if someone ever tried to like fight him he would just get naked immediately yeah yeah yeah yeah it's like just freak them out yeah totally you're just like you're just like fucking up their whole brain you're like it's just like catching them off guard when they least expect it i mean tickle tickle is is the equivalent to me imagine if you're naked 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the uh uh god fuck that was a real tickle tickle i did take my medication today i did i promise really threw me off there i'm sorry here we go spain which is next to france if anyone needed to know that um in 1999 there was a case in madrid and it was called the i think i'm saying it right but like fuck i already fucked up again by valekas valekas i would think valekas because it's two l's but the guy who i just saw on youtube said valekas um but v-a-l-l-e-c-a-s case if you would like to look into it and the reason it's called that is because that's the city in madrid that this happened in and so we the main character today her name is estefania beautiful and again this is one of the most famous paranormal cases or parapsychological cases that's ever happened out there um so if you know it and let me know if i do it justice they're every source seemed to have like kind of a different chronology of how things went and i was like oh well i'll go watch like a youtube about this but every single one is in spanish so i was like well fuck me so um you guys stopped it he stopped at valekas yeah that's enough spanish for me i went and that's enough so estefania she's in high school at the time that this starts in 1990 1991 and estefania's friend uh she has a boyfriend the boyfriend passes away in a motorcycle accident and she's like oh my god i'm gonna die i'm gonna die and so what estefania and her friends decided they're gonna do is that they would like to use a ouija board and try to contact her boyfriend oh my god oh my god this is the most 90s story already holy shit and it starts quick i mean the first sentence is someone's dead i mean literally i mean wow okay um so we are now in the school's bathroom that's where they decided to do the ouija board session this is this literally is 1991 in a nutshell this feels like something like this is what i wish i had been doing in my life at that time to the bathroom i would never think to do a ouija board in a space where like people are notoriously going to be in and out and they could be like teachers and you're probably skipping class i mean that's exactly where you would do it isn't it though like i like to imagine like one bathroom like kind of grunge 90s kids with like cigarettes doing it though totally like hiding the cigarettes in the stall i don't know what people did i remember i was straight edge against my will and also for my will um i yeah i think like i've heard a few stories on jim harold and other places where people say they did like especially in europe there i've heard a couple where they hang out in the bathrooms and do like an ouija board i don't know nefarious activities if that's like uh just a weird pattern or what but well they were all in the bathroom together i don't know how many people were there but i know that her sister according to one source was also in there like guarding the door yeah you've got to have a door you've got to have a door guard well you got to have a good one and the sister wasn't because the teacher walks right in oh my gosh and which i don't know what her name was but mind it's like tiffany like what like come on you're the worst guard ever you never allowed back well okay also only one source mentioned this which i feel like is important so if it's true this is like this makes the story so much juicier is that this is a catholic school and the teacher was a nun who walks in and sees all these kids doing a ouija board session i mean as someone who went to a catholic school yeah that is basically how it was you would be like sneaking very non-religious things and a literal nun would be like what the fuck yeah yeah so she walks in she sees a bunch of children in a ouija board she grabs the board and the planchette away from them which if you've ever played ouija the you know the whole rule is like you have to close up the circle you have to say goodbye but um that didn't happen because the nun stole the board and not only that but broke the board in front of them like which you might as well it's like lighted on fire in the middle of a session or something you might as well just summon the devil you might as well just summon the devil himself i don't know if she broke the board or the planchette i think the board would certainly be easier to break with your bare hands quickly so i'm gonna go with board but also more of an effect yeah crack over the knee um and so when she broke it though all the girls in the circle said that the board uh all of a sudden started emitting this thick white smoke it started pouring out of the board and estefania breathed a lot of it in she breathed in the ghosts she breathed in some spooky stuff oh um after this this is when estefania started experiencing some serious medical issues at home oh no including a series of extreme seizures where she would be foaming at the mouth i mean it would like it does not seem good estefania's family tried taking her to doctors um presumably for an epilepsy diagnosis but doctors could not determine a solid diagnosis i will say that she was not able to determine a solid diagnosis but she was able to determine a i will say in 2026 a reason for why she probably didn't get diagnosed is because epilepsy can be really hard to diagnose although i feel like if you're getting seizures that intensely like they must have an idea of what's going on but maybe not in 91 but on top of the convulsions estefania also started uh seeing dark figures following her that nobody else could see so now she's also having hallucinations oh god and finally estefania began having some outbursts where she became violent with the fact that she was having hallucinations and she was having hallucinations she would start like biting the the siblings and barking um allegedly not remembering any of it after the fact this sounds like rabies it does sound a little something's going on i mean the foaming at the mouth even yeah i i don't i've i've seen people have seizures but never a foaming at the mouth situation i don't know if that's common i don't think it is i don't know no i have no i have no idea um also go to these issues uh that she was having only appearing after a seance where a ouija board was broken and then the other kids claimed that they saw her breathing in this white smoke that came from it it all led to people thinking estefania is clearly obviously possessed couldn't be a mental health situation whatever also reminder that she apparently went to a catholic school and this was during the 80s 90s satanic panic so i mean it makes sense to me why a thought would be demons oh yeah well and i look at the like the fact a ouija board and i mean it's the start of a horror movie i know and i mean i don't know if any of that is actually true but it is certainly a big part of the story now but i mean imagine being a kid saying i was in a i did a ouija board session and the nun came in and broke it in half you know the story spiraled oh yeah i mean it's a great story so um so her symptoms did not go away in fact they actually got worse so not only is she having these intense seizures she's hallucinating she's now having insomnia her voice is getting worse and worse and worse and worse and is changing sometimes um and the dark figures are getting more intense eventually she would tell people that these figures were walking through the family home they had no face and they would tell her to come with them oh my god yuck yuck well one night presumably after these um figures are kind of luring her over to the other side estefania has a very intense mental moment with her sister the one who i think was at the seance attacks her sister i guess knocks her sister out um and the whole time this is happening estefania is again foaming at the mouth passes out falls into a coma oh my gosh is brought to the hospital and within 24 hours passes away oh my god what yeah um and she was only 18 or 19 at that point which also means they were dealing with these issues for like over a year because now if she's 19 she's not in high school anymore um oh my god so there was no official diagnosis on why she passed they just kind of deemed it a suspicious death because she was physically a healthy 18 year old kid and but i mean i also can see like well someone had a seizure so intense they fell into a fucking coma that's a pretty good yeah i mean it sounds like something was wrong obviously but i mean i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i'm very wrong i'm no doctor but i would throw that in the ringer as an option of what happened here um and unfortunately her death would not be the end of all the situations going on at home because the family was now experiencing some very creepy activity that estefania had been talking about but she claimed to be able to see oh my god so like your first of all you spent the last year maybe two years with a daughter who was sick child at least sick like if she wasn't possessed she was struggling clearly ill yeah um and then it didn't seem like i don't know what the situation was to get medical help but it sounds like no one was really the hospitals didn't seem to be advocating for her to find a diagnosis or they just couldn't find or they couldn't find one um so she's struggling in that way too of like not knowing what her situation is now you're grieving that person who was your baby and now your house is also haunted oh my god oh my god yeah big year for them and not in a good way um the family felt something often grabbing them or sitting on them while they were sleeping they would feel something try to drag them when they were in bed one of the kids woke up in the middle of the night to her wrist being slammed into the wall as if someone was trying to hold her down forcefully um the family would see their doors slamming open and shut appliances would turn on and off by themselves objects would move on their own they would hear knocking banging noises coming from inside the walls but they can never locate the actual source it seemed to move on its own um glasses would break on their own they heard a man laughing in their rooms and they even started hearing estephania herself screaming oh god i can't imagine the torment oh my god one time the mother heard knocking in estephania's old room and she went in and quote all the belongings in the room had been scattered around it's like everything's just getting thrown around other items that would get thrown around include the family dog and one time even one of the other kids just getting thrown in the house um another time this like impossible gust of wind flew through the front door like broke the the doors lock and flew the door open and it quote scattered their furniture everywhere it's like a hurricane came fucking through yeah like your own mini tornado and i think this is one source that put these two pieces together um in that big windstorm or whatever the hell happened one of the items that flew off the wall was a framed picture of estephania and when they looked at the picture the face had been burned away ah what the frame was fine the glass was fine the outer parts of the picture were fine but her face was missing just like how she said all those figures were missing faces yuck yuck yuck um they also speaking of things that she said she had seen they're now seeing apparitions walking through the halls just like how she said she's seen dark figures walking around one sister actually described these figures as quote glued to the floor dragging itself towards them hey hey now that's not super good for me like you like you're scary enough just being there you don't have to do anything big you don't need to be so dramatic about it really like you don't have to show out like we are already scared the dragging towards us and we know you can move faster than that so like you're just this is for show give me a break they also started seeing what looked like an older man walking through the halls and she's like oh my god i'm so scared i'm so scared oh great and remember they heard a man laughing earlier in random rooms and they would also hear an older man his voice speaking to nobody what was he saying i think they just kind of heard like a voice muttering i don't know if they really heard anything specific but um this had them wondering if the entity here maybe a stefania was there but they thought another entity might be their grandfather who allegedly hated the family oh and according to one source cursed them on his own well that seems maybe relevant if if that happened i would certainly put him in as a suspect yeah i would say he's on the list he apparently said something to the family along the lines of quote if i can't harm you in this life i'll do it in the next one why even first of all why are you even at that fucking hospital to hear him say that if he's on his deathbed why are you good point if a man if he's gonna say that don't go i don't know that's what you know what that's gonna be my new jujitsu tactic i'm gonna say that as i'm getting like well i guess i'll be getting choked out in between or after the tickle tickle i'll go tickle tickle if i can't hurt you in this life i'll hurt you in the next and then and then i'm out and then you know what they're fucking haunted and they they're cursed by their own fear i've instilled the ultimate fear so i feel like in um like i don't know the acronyms wwe or whatever like were they all like while the boys dress in like what's obviously costumes and play pretend that they're fighting the one the one with the capes and stuff right where they're like you know we're manly and i'm like that okay um this i feel like your theme it would be incredible if you had a themed outfit when you're fighting these your people but you're dressed as basically a planchette or you wear like wood grain like a Ouija board because then your cut your catchphrase could be like i'll get you in the next life you know because you're gonna die but like as it goes then i'll spell it out on a Ouija board oh your calling card would just be you spelling it for them i'll just roll oh my god hang on i'll be like there's a space here so just an extra pause um space and then oh you know it would be really good so that's how that's how you start them that's your intimidation tactic before the fight even begins then the fight happens and right when they think they're winning the board should again i imagine this on the jumbotron you have the Ouija board spelling so everyone else can see what's happening you're slowly blacking out and then on the jumbotron a Ouija board spells out tickle tickle and then you come back and you win you know it's so possible i believe in you what could go wrong and then they're like who is this lady in a costume like she's not even a white belt to get her out of here well you can do a costume change at the end and be a ghost and that will be naked you can do a costume change at the end and be a ghost and that will be a costume change at the end and be a ghost and then you realize you've been wrestling chris hansen all alone he's like i'm not yeah prison prison straight to prison i was already waiting we are so funny okay so i i feel like gemini season is the best don't you guys agree i like wherever the stars are i'm manic for sure like something's happening anyway i'm surely activated i can tell you that much activated is a great way to put it not like like cosmologically unwell like cosmologically activated i've told you guys before that i got allison well i tried to surprise allison with this cobblestone fireplace uh for the house and i got it from wayfair it's very very cute very witchy very spooky i feel like underneath the right thick ceiling beams real or fake it would look incredible and by the way those beams are also on wayfair um but now it has been moved into what will be the spook easy of our house and i feel like it's going to be a little bit more of a i'm not allowed to see what they're doing in there allison and her parents have been working on that day in and day out and i know that the fireplace has become like the centerpiece that they're working the whole thing around so i'm very excited to see how it turns out wish me luck i'm hoping it's going to look as spooky as promised i will take pictures when i finally can see what's going on all i know is that that fireplace became the focal point of the entire room so if you would like your own focal point whether that's a fireplace or a you know a couch or a table or whatever your thing is you can head over to my website and i'll see you in the next video to wayfair and transform your space with pieces that hold up to real life join wayfair rewards today and get five percent back on every purchase and head to wayfair.com or shop the wayfair app for all things home that's w-a-y-f-a-i-r.com wayfair every style every home okay oh by the way my my i have this thing on my phone where i get a word every hour like a vocabulary word and um i can hear you laughing like what are you talking about like a word a day but i get a word an hour a word an hour why okay sorry i'm trying i'm trying to learn 24 words a day okay what's your what's your news word but then after this you're gonna have to learn four words it just feels like a lot one of them was cyclothymic and it i i i that sometimes feels a little like how i'm how my brain feels it does it what does it mean can you teach me i'm trying to go back into the the thing to cyclothymic uh let me see what was the definition oh wait i think they gave me the wrong definition because this one says a rare chronic mood disorder never mind never mind never mind jack i thought out wait a minute were you diagnosing me under the table can you imagine it's recording me and it's like oh i've got just the thing it's not a kundalini awakening it's cyclothymia no i'm just saying it's not a kundalini awakening it's cyclothymia i swear to god i have to go find it in my stupid app now but it was it said like oh when you're like feeling like really heightened like like excitement and like jazz about or or you have like little lows oh wait oh a mild chronic form of bipolar oh yeah that's relevant to the conversation well i do feel an intense sometimes an intense high and intense hey question is the app actually called a web md and you're just misreading it's this stupid it's like like the last one i just got is do you know which one of these words is a synonym or of oenophile no i don't i don't even know what oenophile is no is this another mood disorder oh here here are the options an oenophile wine buff oh perinomassia or loquacity hold on let me look at the word wine no no I could be wrong it was wine buff yeah you're so much smarter than me so i guess you uh are an an oenophile or you've been i'm a fucking idiot is what i am anyway sorry i didn't mean to like say that like oh look at me like i need to make like light of that i thought the i obviously need to pay attention to my vocabulary better before i start saying words i love word apps don't worry i clearly need more of them to learn what an oenophile is but anyway i've been feeling uh this gemini season i have been feeling uh like a higher high uh like a i'm on a a whole other level i'm feeling good yeah we're manic it's what it's called it's okay it's romantic i said it's called manic but yeah also romantic i i feel like i'm microdosing mania just a little bit but you know what now talk about fallout boy lyrics microdosing mania are we shitting ourselves right now come on whatever maybe it's just because i finally don't feel like a fucking bruise i think maybe i'm just like at a normal level of happy currently write all of that down that's a fall boy song microdosing mania because i finally don't feel like a bruise yeah it's just really it writes itself you're really you're channeling right now apologies if any of that was offensive i was not trying to cause a thing i i just need to read my vocabulary words before i start using them okay anyway where were we these i don't know i know the if i can't harm you in this life do it in the next one oh yeah yeah my new jujitsu move yes yes yes so i'm gonna spell it out on a this uh so this guy he was not dressed as a planchette perchance but he was the grandfather who allegedly cursed them on their deathbed and he might be the man that they keep hearing and seeing throughout the house yeah just might just might um and there was actually they the family had a few mediums and psychics coming in during all of this because they're like what do we do with this activity and one medium came in and said without knowing anything that they thought the grandfather was a psycho and they were like what do we do with this activity and one medium came in was haunting them and that estefania was also in the home trying to stop him from hurting the family and so what they were witnessing was almost like this battle between like estefania protecting them and grandpa like overtaking the situation um there was even a battle for good and evil oh my god that's crazy there was even a female evp of like a female voice caught on evp that um said beware of grandfather essentially gasp after living like this for months for months like i think like nearing a year um one night the activity gets even worse the mother of estefania i think her name was conception never hear that name anymore um she said that she felt something in her room told her husband said something's here and then felt something grab her hands and feet and the fact that like it happened after you said something's here means like no yeah it's like they wanted to be like oh you got me yeah it's like time to move oh oh oh oh they then felt and saw a shadow staring at them from down the hall which like i can't imagine um and crucifixes literally on the wall began rotating upside down no like out of a fucking movie something grabs you you see something staring at you from the end of the hall and the crucifixes between the two of you yeah one source said they didn't actually uh uh well mainly um In most stories that I read about this, they said that the family was so overwhelmed and scared. about this that they called the police one source said that they didn't call the police but neighbors actually called complaining about loud pounding coming from the family's walls oh either one is bad either is bad but when the police got there the family was literally waiting outside in the rain they were like we don't want to be there anymore fuck there were a few officers i think it was three or four officers who went in and the case was being handled by inspector negri negri n-e-g-r-i so they go in and they investigate and they've heard the family telling them like we think there's a ghost we think there's a ghost can you be a cop imagine being a cop and like you literally go to a house and they're like oh no nothing to see here except i think there's a ghost in there like what would you do i i'd be like i don't handle ghosts what do what am i supposed to do i'd be like finally an interesting day on the job maybe yeah or i'd be like oh at least someone's not gonna like hurt me well i don't know maybe yeah i think i would be like oh there's probably either someone in the house or maybe there's like a carbon monoxide leak you know right or like i mean if i knew that they were going through something so traumatic maybe i'd be like oh it's grief does funny things you know like if they'd lost their daughter and you know so i don't know i don't know i um i agree with you i think i think i would also not to placate you but you're right christine well i was like i realized i was like oh i just said you're right basically but i don't want to you i do i totally agree that i think my first thought would be i think you are getting carbon monoxide poisoning or yeah something you're dealing with a mental health issue right because it's it's like yeah it's just a strange occurrence even though i believe in ghosts i would almost hope that what was happening is you were having yeah because i don't i don't want the answer to be oh it's for sure ghosts there's a demonic civil war happening in your home like that's not really where i would go straight away now the reason that this case is so popular in spain is because that this was i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know the first time at least there that a police report a doc an official police report documented documented unexplained activity oh okay a lot of people say like this is the first and maybe the only case in spain where police reports um say like the cause of the issue is something paranormal that is not true the technical situation that they wrote down was that there was phenomena that's a good word but they never actually say what they observed was paranormal they keep it very vague but people have kind of enough for me yeah people have twisted it into like this is a case where like the police determined it was ghosts um but these here are some events that are actually from the report and this is translated so i i don't know how accurate all of it is but from what we know the the officers all went into the bathroom which the family said was the most haunted area of the house and they felt a severe temperature drop that none of them had experienced before they went through the rest of the house and felt a weird presence some of them said that they felt sick which you might be right might be carbon monoxide poisoning um they heard pounding throughout the home but nobody was there to make a noise the one of the cupboard doors flew open and almost hit a cop in the face oh well they saw an odd like i guess he ducked in time they saw an odd stain appear on a tablecloth before their very eyes they saw a cross rip itself off the wall and then three scratch marks appeared where the cross was this is a quote that their observations were recorded stamped and filed by the inspector who has never redacted their statements and has confirmed the validity of this report so they're not saying this is for sure paranormal but they have put it in a report with or without a known cause saying this is what happened and we're not we're not taking it back what we said okay so although the police were there and did make a report and did witness some things that they can't explain there was nothing they could do their cops right exorcist so they yeah that would suck if the police came out and said yep it is haunted anyway have a good night like what yeah what the fuck what do you can do what can you do so they left and um but they wrote a report okay and the family very quickly moved out basically they were like well our only way of getting help came yeah yeah we've had mediums here and they've said something's going on so we're gone and when they left they had no other paranormal experiences happen and new families who moved into the house haven't had any activity but um some investigators have gone in in between people living there and claim to get activity i don't really know what that is there's apparently a ghost hunting show in spain that has covered this house and i tried to watch it but it was what first of all it's in spanish second of all the only place that i could watch it my computer wasn't letting me i think i need to update something but it was like oh my god you can't actually watch this it was like an error so i don't i don't know you need a new flash plug in i know um anyway i like to think they're the zach bagans of spain um we do have to watch that at some point that sounds delightful but they said that they caught something i don't i didn't see it so i can't tell you but since this case it's been speculated obviously if the family really experienced anything paranormal or if their daughter was just suffering and then they were grieving or maybe they were just exaggerating the story in some way the siblings have obviously gotten older and some of them have suggested that the situation was definitely exaggerated and their sister was not possessed oh wow okay the mother though seems to have maintained that the story is true but she's also had her own separate psych eval and apparently it quote showed emotional instability anxiety and need for attention that makes people think that she was making up this story first of all that feels really rude um like so rude i was like i feel weird saying this out loud yeah it feels gross uh yeah your daughter's dead sorry that she's fucking trying but whatever i mean yeah i wonder i wonder if it was just like a bad translation and it's just like it could be and also like i don't know her i really don't so why do i i don't know anything but um it i would imagine too i think i saw one source so like the mother was also had had some mental health stuff and i think that's a good thing i think it's a good thing i think it's a good thing i think that's a good thing i think it's a good thing i think it's a good thing i think it's a good thing um i'm not totally sure but it sounds like people have reason to question so that being said the police did seem to observe activity in the house that lined up with what the family seemed to witness so like it it is interesting that even if this was all quote made up then how come like on a police report where people are not willing to redact their statements if it were exaggerated i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't then why would the police be part of that exactly like they clearly saw something and it did line up with what others had seen so and if they've like since confirmed it's not a hoax document or something yeah so it's um it's wow eerie and they didn't know what was uh like you just said they didn't know what was going on but they still had similar experiences so maybe some of it's true my last bullet point is just to say in 2017 a horror movie came out called veronica which is loosely based on the case of and i guess it also has a prequel called sister death yikes oh oh is that the nun oh because i thought the sister but then i thought oh wait that's what you call a nun like yeah maybe i didn't watch them um but in case you wanted to watch movies and then have a fun fact about them you can tell them if it's based on this case so yeah um anyway that is the case of estefania and wow that is a startling story i feel like that's the kind of thing that would would have made me a little bit more curious about the case of estefania yeah yeah so hopefully it uh hopefully i did it justice i was really working off of whatever english sources i could find so yeah i wonder has anybody ever thought to theorize i mean maybe this is a stretch but thought to theorize about whether the board had some like i mean i don't know what that would be asbestos or fiber something fiberglass like in it that like she said maybe it was i mean i don't know maybe that's stretch i don't know i mean i'm with you i also wonder like first of all i wonder if she broke the board did anything even come out or were these teenagers that just like wanted to like end it with a spooky ending or maybe she broke it and like dust came off of it like it was like cardboard or who knows what it was made of and they just turned it into like no it was this like thick white smoke which is like dust smoke um or it could have been like whatever they used to make the material of a ouija board it could have been sick i don't know yeah it's weird i don't know i don't even know if that part is true it could have just been like oh i heard that she's used a ouija board and now she's possessed i don't know wow well i guess it's um that's how stories get told uh good job good job covering it though thank you yeah well happy birthday i was i was trying to find something somewhat 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Ask your doctor, visit BotoxChronicMigraine.com, or call 1-800-44-BOTOX to learn more. Hello, everyone. We just had a wonderful yappy hour in, uh, in Australia. Astrology mode, and it's a good thing we did because we are here to talk about serial killer star signs today. Happy birthday, Em. We're doing astrology, we're doing some astrology, uh, today. You said no to crime. No crime on my birthday. We're gonna talk about star signs in serial killer, um, and how they, how they, what's the word? The Venn diagram? I don't know. How they mesh? We're gonna list out the stats. The star sign stats, okay? I'm so excited. Well, for those who don't know, there was some recording recently where we talked about, I, I don't even know how we got here, but this was a request. It was last week. It was a request one of us made that, like. You said, you said, why don't, I would love for you to look more into astrology as, like, a topic for the show, and I thought, well, next week's our birthday episode, um, I'll look in to see if anybody's done any research on this. And there have been a few, not enough to do an episode, so I'm, I only have, like, a little intro bit. Yeah. Whatever, it's fascinating. And, uh, I was doing some digging. I found, uh, a couple articles that claimed to have done the research, and then I found somebody on Reddit who really did the fucking research. Ah, okay, great. And had the receipts, and I went, okay, no more of the memes, I guess, because, ironically, it was in our astrology memes, but this person put, like, all their research. Uh, so crimeandinvestigation.co.uk, um, which zodiac symbol has the most kills? Killers, um, do you have any guesses here? Because I feel like this is the exact kind of thing that's gonna, um, stir up opinions, and I wonder if you have any opinions before I bias you in any way on, like, if you were to, and listen, judgment out of the room. We're just, it's, we're just playing, folks, where this is all alleged, nobody's calling you a serial killer, but, um, if you had to pick a star sign that was most likely in your mind serial killer energy, which one would it be? Probably. Or murderer. I, the, the gag would be Gemini, wouldn't it? So. The gag would be, I thought you were gonna say Scorpio. I mean, that's too easy. I mean, obviously, people, I, I already, uh, Scorpios scare me, but they, they don't scare me in a serial killer way, they scare me in a, um, I'm uneasy and I don't know why way. And, but I feel the same way about, I've said this before, Tauruses, they freak me out. Oh, me too, me too. But, um. They intimidate me. Tauruses, I, I mean, I've met people who are Scorpios and we're fine. Like, I, I can actually. I think some people truly think I can't sit in a room with a fucking Scorpio. Like, I, like, really fucking hate Scorpios. No, I'm just, I can't, I don't even really want to, like. It's a bit. I mean, it's a bit. I really don't even want to have to, like, play pretend and defend myself on that. But Scorpios are very, Scorpios are very deep. And so you're, you're making a joke with people who are very deep and you're troubling them. I guess so. Or maybe I've just been, it's been too long. You're poking a Scorpion. Um, like, think about what you're doing. You're poking at a Scorpion and saying, I don't know what your problem is. Like, that's what you're doing. Uh, no, I, I, uh, Scorpios freak me out. And, uh. They like that. They want that. I guess until I say it enough times and they go, don't be mean. And I'm like, I. Actually, I'm, here's what I'll say. You've said, I hate Scorpios. You've never said they freak me out. I think those are important distinctions. And as a Mercury and Taurus, which we famously know, I don't know what it means, but I've decided it means you got to be very clear with your words. So if you're trying to say they scare you, I think we can all agree on that. And I think they would almost. Be more pleased than anything. You, I, Scorpios make me very nervous. Cause I don't know what the fuck you're thinking. They're so deep. I guess. I don't, not that I've ever thought like, oh, they're not deep. I just, I don't know what it is. I can't put, I can't read you. And I hate that. That's their whole thing. And, um, and, and Tauruses, I freak me out in a different way because they're very, very blunt. A lot of times to a point where they are. Um, not worried about hurting your feelings. And I feel like I do a lot of like, um, do you want to know something? I feel like in a lot of like conflict, I like to almost like be honest, but still like gentle parent through it. And Tauruses are like, wow. And they just say it. And I go, oh my God. I think that's where my Missy Mercury and Taurus communication and Taurus. That's startling. It is. Cause I'm like, oh, we're not like both trying to like be warm about this. Like, like, I feel like you say that I just, uh, I just hired a trainer to help me with some literally like how to breathe and stuff like that. And like, and she's like helping me with, I really like it. It's really cool. Like doing some strength training and like rehab stuff. And she's a Taurus. And of course I found that out immediately. And then, um, one of the first things she said to me, she says, that sounds like something for your therapist's office. And I'm like, they're like, it's see. Okay. So here's my thing. And I was like, why? This is why I hate you. You scare me. Yeah. That's exactly. That's a perfect example. One of my, um, things, and I, this is like a gem and I think this is just like, however, I operate thing is that the number one quality I look for in a person is like warmth. That's your cancer moon. Okay. I, I, to me, like, it's just like, there's, if I'm at a party, I will walk away, have like feeling weird about somebody where I'm like, I don't know what it was. So your psychicness. Sure. It could be, it could be that I'm psychic. I don't know. But anytime I meet somebody and they're not at least attempting warmth, I'm like, shouldn't we both, even if it's like, feels a little like we're doing a dance while we get to know each other. It's like, shouldn't we both be putting an effort to like make each other feel comfortable. But I feel like there's a lot of people who for, for whatever reason they have, I'm not saying it's a bad reason, but a lot of people are like, I don't owe you that yet. Like, and people are just like a little more cold or at least I read it as cold. And then I want really, I'm like, so it's so interesting because I used to be, cause I feel like that's a lot of also masking. And like, if you meet someone masking at your level, it's like, okay, we're both on the same wavelength. And I feel like that's something I've also. Been picking up on is like, as I draw, like stop masking so much, I almost sense discomfort sometimes in other people. And it's like, oh, I have had to just learn to like live with that or like to like feel that because sometimes I'm like, I don't, I like, I'm, it's too draining to be masking right now. Or, you know what I mean? But like, it's interesting you say that. Cause it's like, oh, I, cause I, I was always in the same level. Like I'm uncomfortable if you're, and you know, it's so funny as my, as the trainer said that, and I was like three years ago, I would have gotten so spun out by that comment. And like, now I'm like, oh, whatever. She just said something. And like, it's probably true. And I was probably over. Well, that's one of the things that freaks me out too, because like I said, it could be for whatever reason. I'm sure people like you have good reason to like, not, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have thought about it as masking until you just said that. But yeah, I like, I don't put it on anybody that like you should be this way, but the way that. I'm coming across. I just hope people are totally. Yeah. It just, we just, we just don't met it. Like it's no, like I don't hate them later or I don't like crash out about it and think like, I can't believe they were this way. I just think like, oh, we operate differently and I just drawn to a certain energy and vice versa. And like, if you sense, I mean, same here, if, if I sense even a little bit that somebody's like, I don't feel like talking to you, I'm like, great. Me neither. Bye. Like, I don't want to talk to you if you don't want to talk to me. So yeah, I, I totally understand that. I think the thing with tourists specifically is that like they, anytime they have been direct, they've never been wrong. Like the, like, that's what freaks me out too, is that like. That's so true. It's like the accountability part. Yeah. They're direct. And it, that alone freaks me out because I'm like, there are warmer, nicer ways to have put that where like, you're putting people more at ease. Although like, I shouldn't expect that. That's something people want to put on their own shoulders, but at the same time, what they're saying is so fucking true that I'm like, could you at least be a little kind? Cause you're calling me out and kind of in a mean way and you can't control your own. I mean. Whether you understand it on an intellectual level, which I've had to learn as an airhead all this time. But like, yeah, even though you understand like, oh, I shouldn't expect, it's like, you can't control how your nervous system reacts or how you're comfortable or how you exactly. So I just, I respect a tourist, but I fear them because I know they're going to say something and not be. I love that. You're so true. It's so true that they're, that they're, um, I have, I mean, I have a lot of tourist friends, but I am scared of ever like being vulnerable around them because they're just. And like, sometimes you need a friend who's just going to call you out on your bullshit. Like I'm not saying like tourists are bad because of this. I'm just saying you guys freak me the fuck out because sometimes I just want like a gentle landing space and a tourist is not often that. Well maybe they are if they like work on themselves, which I feel like Gem and I often get serious because I feel like Gem and I often get cast as like these like totally flaky, like insincere, like fake people. And I was like, I think maybe on a surface level that could be somebody who like Donald Trump is a Gemini. We're going to get into this today. Uh, speaking of villains. Okay. know there are some very terrible aspects like of Gemini as well and we get a lot of shit for it rightfully so but like also you get there's so much strength there too and if you use your powers for good or you work on yourself and you're like oh this is something like I can form and like you know have fun with rather than I don't know I think it depends but you're you're right I feel like um Taurus can get a little intense I don't really know many and then I got a personal trainer and I went oh my god astrology is real Taurus is actually one of the only people that I confidently and accurately always guess when I meet somebody like it's actually scary I'm like are you a Taurus and I can't do that with any other sign but I always know when I'm talking to a Taurus I said are you she said I'm a Taurus and I went yeah I can tell and then she said and I'm a Scorpio moon and I went oh my god god i don't think so uh and then like the kill bill music plays and there's sirens everywhere i was like backing up i um no i i i know i just like went on a whole tirade hopefully like no tourists feel totally attacked or anything i just like i we just i think it's when you said but they're always right that again like as long as em you're using your words so carefully to say uh uh scorpios don't like them because they scare me i think now we can all come to an agreement that yes that is true they they freak me out i mean and like i'm i'm sure you're lovely people i know lovely tourists but i you your exterior is a little tougher than others and um it's it frightens me because i know what you're gonna say is going to humble me and i don't really feel like being humbled like that's it it's not from not today and like that's why when i hired a personal trainer i was like i'm here to be humbled and you're doing your job and like it's like you're in the perfect spot you know like i get it i get it and i said you know my mercury consultants because they'd be like this is what the fuck's the matter fix it here do this oh and she is a consultant and she literally does and she has a button on the wall that says i hate fun and she says i press and she says i press this button when it's time to be quiet and i said okay wow that would horrify the literal shit out of me it was hilarious because then i said so how was your weekend and i was like oh and like i literally caught myself i went damn i really can't shut up like i really can't shut up and so she was like i hate fun and i was like oh my god she's like yes someone gave this to me and she's like oh my god i'm gonna shut up i'm gonna i'm not offended i actually the more we talk about this the more that you are very torus and that you're like the don't placate me because i think what uh one of the many reasons that gemini's get accurate bad raps is that like we come across as fake but i think in my mind i really don't think of it as fake i think i'm like i'm desperately trying to make sure that everyone feels comfortable in this and therefore it feels like being placated yes and it's sort of like torres are like i don't have fucking time for this just tell me what's going on i'm like i'm trying to keep you comfortable i think it's also like no i think torres is also like you don't need to keep me comfortable yeah i can keep myself and that is just a i just we can't understand each other but now i'm like at a place where i'm like i don't need anyone else to make me comfortable you know but that came with many years of discomfort and learning to sit there and go oh this is a really uncomfortable moment and i guess i didn't die um so yeah once your nervous system realizes you're not gonna die every time something's like uncomfortable or scary you sort of like i don't know let your guard down i guess and things just seem less scary yeah it's like oh you can say that and like i don't know and then i saw her later in the day and she was so sweet and she had her daughter there and like you know i was just like i was like i love it i don't know i probably would have spun out and like never seen her again a few years ago because i would have been like so insecure or whatever and now i'm like whatever she just said something stupid and like funny i uh i feel like we've either gained or lost all of our torres listeners through this it was like a 10 minute tirade but i mean of all things too because it's funny like we're literally here to talk about gemini's and um so was that the was that the answer that gemini are the main serial killers so gemini's are usually cast in that role in the memes and in the kind of like pop culture uh ted bundy is a gemini donald trump is a gemini we've got a lot of gemini um samuel little there are a lot of gemini serial killers like it's not cute okay okay got it but this website crime and investigation.co.uk um they did their own running of the numbers and they landed on number one being scorpio well well number two gemini maybe that's why i freak me out because i'm like we're a little too similar well you're very similar and they're very deep so they're like come with me they're scorpions like they're under rocks like they like to be in the dark and they like shadow work and they like to be and like we don't like that we're we like to be up here we like to be having fun and i can't shut up all the information is at your disposal like what do you mean you're not matching me here and telling me i'm here and they're underground you can't hurt me yeah it's really interesting i love it i find it so interesting um so okay scorpio they said was number one with and they did some roundup of serial killers 17 was the total tied with 14 each okay virgo and libra very virgo and libra coded to tie at 13 each uh aries cancer capricorn 11 pisces 10 taurus 9 leo and aquarius 6 so that interesting i i could see why taurus is closer to the bottom because they get all their shit directly out there anyway they don't got to kill you they just say don't exactly they kill your spirit a little bit when they're a little too tough on love that's yeah they're straightforward but part of that is so interesting right because it's like oh but then they're less toxic because they're not keeping all that shit in there you know they certainly seem to have the healthier boundaries yeah um okay so then from our astrology memes um and even though by the way aquarius was down at the bottom um with leo uh aquarius i think was the most often cited um cult leader interesting which fits totally because aquarians are very like you know kind of like off the beaten path like their whole thing is like they're different right yeah um and they see the world differently and and so that kind of did and they're a lot of fun i would i would absolutely follow i'm more likely to end up in a cult if the leader's fun yeah i think most people probably agree um serial killers by zodiac sign now this is from um our astrology memes the subreddit which uh take it it's not this is not a joke this person is serious about their sources um they put their sources they even wrote a note down here at the bottom of their graphics that says note includes individual known or confirmed serial killers including those who are not convicted exclude serial killers who remain unidentified such as the atlanta ripper and the zodiac killer for whom birthdays are not known and who killed in pairs or groups so they were like i didn't fuck around yeah i love this energy i should be on j store.org or something yeah oh my god you're oh wow it feels like an abstract feels like a for a paper it does feel like an abstract um and so they made this beautiful graphic um serial killers by zodiac signs now this is gonna turn everything fucking topsy-turvy not everything the tauruses you're still completely at the bottom okay fewest of you are serial killers we get it okay taurus 27 um guess who's tied with taurus gemini okay interesting now this person was trying to put to bed a lot of the flack that gets thrown around toward the signs including gemini including sag um unfortunately sag maintained its spot at the top of the list and gemini went all the way down so i don't know you know i feel like if you're gonna write something like this i feel like this should be a law and everybody hear me out this is this is a take that i don't think is particularly hot um i think that if you are someone who is writing about astrology in a way where you're using stats like this or an opinion might come out that you have like it's a it becomes personal in some way i think you are obligated to tell everybody the sign of the author i'm so happy you said that because they gave the sign and they said libra because they seem like they're really trying to find balance i love that they're actually a sagittarius and they said this is how you know i'm doing this because i want accurate information even though sag is at the top of the list and i'm a sagittarius and i didn't like that and i'm not a sagittarius and i'm not a that i was at the top of the serial killer like they're like but see how i could have channeled my energy somewhere else in a really bad way yeah but see how much worse this could have been um you're welcome for this by the way yeah and so what's interesting is that like they're spread out very evenly near the top so we've got 20 so at the bottom we've got gemini and taurus tied with 27 now the next highest up is aries with 38 in the list being aries geez really surprising to me the top number by the way is 46 so 46 we have ties uh between four different signs cancer pisces sagittarius scorpio all 46 serial killers uh jesus in those split amongst those signs equally wow yeah or 46 each um then we've got uh aquarius and libra with 44 we've got capricorn with 42 virgo with 40 leo with 39 aries with 38 gemini and taurus with 27 now interestingly we also have a discussion point here and i thought some of these discussions were very interesting because now it goes into the rabbit hole it's like chicken egg type conversation we're saying is it because capricorns just aren't getting caught is that why they're so low on the list is it because gemini's are actually well because gemini's are charismatic and can dance around it maybe oh right or are they just like off leading cults like who knows you know but it's like is it like sagittarius like they aren't good at planning and that's why they keep getting there at the top of the list because they're the worst serial killers not necessarily the most you know like people started these whole big conversations and it was very very so now this is it's so crazy that we brought up taurus because we weren't going to talk about taurus it's not taurus season anymore um but the only comment i brought from this subreddit which i'd forgotten until now is somebody who commented taurus staying all the way out of the drama both as the killer and the victim because this person also created like a victim's killer by sign which i'm like i'm not even going to go there today what a shame because i literally almost said earlier i'm like i wonder if they've ever studied like you can go into that for sure happy to we don't but i was curious i was like i wonder if this type of person is the most likely to be a serial killer and like we go off of like well people who align with each other that would mean that they're probably more likely to be victims right to be victimized interesting yeah so that taurus comment saying i was staying all the way out of the drama and then the taurus it's a taurus responds with the flair of a taurus son and taurus at home in my bed not getting in or murdered uh painting nails emoji way too much work and i'm like yeah like that's fair and it said it's a good thing they don't include dictators and i was like yeah okay if they included dictators and like people who have killed more than three people on that level um like a geopolitical front yeah we'd probably have like a lot of gemini's and all sorts of stuff going on i don't know but so it's hard to pin this one down is what i'm trying to say like it's hard to nail this down to stats but it is i would say the this is like one of the most fascinating conversations we could have this is such a well then you think oh good because then you think what if their mars are like an all-in-one sign we just don't even realize you know what i mean like what if we layered all the signs on top of each other and we were like whoa there's a sextile oh my god yeah unfortunately once you start bringing things into it other than like someone's big three you fucking lost me and then i feel like i'm the least educated person to have the conversation with but like but if we're just doing fun sleep over like oh my god well he's so like such a gemini i can totally i can vibe with that but i would love to have like have you heard of these like lectures and libations meetings no no where it's like people are now hosting like essentially powerpoint presentations at bars and so like you can go on a day where like the topic is interesting to you this would be a great one if like like someone in like the psychic world who like knew enough about or medium world or tarot world someone who knew about all this astrology stuff i would love to see a discussion between a bunch of them talking about like based on the intricacies of your houses and planets hey listen what's our new chat called our our uh i keep wanting to call it anti-social social club parasocial club like that would be a great topic i wonder if we can because i know that get a bunch of psychics on or whatever i just mean like even within our group like i know jerry does a lot of she's very actively psychic and it like works on that regularly and then we've got um kaylin does tarot and and astrology so like we definitely have we could definitely do breakout chats it's sort of like breakout chats we're gonna have fun with that um yeah so that that's like the main discussion now i also pulled up like because then i thought well okay if we're going with past serial killers just to bad people which like this is going down a slippery slope and it's also like where's the line where's the line but and also how do you even like categorize any of this but uh this link came up of 100 most infamous now we're talking you know like infamous this is the most fuck ass list i don't know who invented this who's voting okay uh we've got number one coming in hot number one charles the second what no what he belongs maybe on the list at all but like not number one on the list at all like page 400 yeah like please don't be ridiculous i don't know i mean like angelina jolie should be up there for more she has my birthday thank you okay so i think you know what you're talking about and thank you chris evans captain america fucking are we joking technically captain america's birthday is july 4th but now chris evans now chris evans i mean he's certainly i think people would argue they care more about him than now and tell me about chris hansen when's his when's that when's that fellow's birthday i don't know actually but i feel he's giving like capricorn vibes chris i do feel he's giving to me like virgo vibes something something where he's like all about the book oh september 13th is that virgo i think that's virgo yeah if it's not he's on the cusp no that's virgo yeah for sure because yeah uh abby wamba wamba wamba what the fuck how do we say her name abby wamba wamba is next number two okay i disagree also charles the second abby wamba and then donald trump i think someone just googled people who are gemini's and then highlighted the entire article and put it in a chart and said here's some of them charles the second abby wamba and donald trump like what are you doing i'd love to see all them in a room together i mean yeah i guess so i would hate it i would really hate it um i mean here are two other people that should be on the list before them us yeah really it's like not that hard like do your fucking research do your fucking own research um insanity i love i love when people say like do your own research and then feel like you are the research i googled it and you were the research that's why i'm here i uh i remember when i i've i've the amount of times that i had when i was doing the q anon research every single fucking article somewhere and it said do your own research and i was like yeah it's like you're an article you're an article fucking j store what do you want um yeah so we do have the victims here victims per killer by sign okay okay okay so we have the same abstract at the bottom that like this includes the same serial the serial killers that we have mentioned in the above category these are their victims oh that sounds like a fucking svu intro i didn't mean for two where are the 500 japanese men jumping um that's a true thing look it up do your own research people okay please i'm so fucking tired of doing the research for you uh okay so this i am unclear of how this really works but it looks victims per killer by sign okay we've got capricorn with the most at 19 they're the most likely to be a victim based on the most yes okay lowest was virgo at seven lowest is virgo at seven that's interesting capricorn's 19 interesting i want you that's interesting because in my mind i would think well capricorns are like so studious and always prepared and so i'd be like oh they're definitely not going to well that's also like virgo so they're at the bottom that's true but then capricorn are also known to be very um they're smarty pants they're smart but you got street smarts oh damn damn spoken like a true tourist something wow then we've got aquarius which hurts my heart a little bit because i know aquarians are can be very kind of like out in their own world um and kind of like detached from reality um we've got scorpio next with 12 instances okay aries with 11 and libra with 11 pisces 10 cancer leo 9 sag 8 taurus 8 gem 8 virgo 7 shocking i really i mean i did not expect to be so low but also i guess we're so high on as you said we're so high on the killing list so there's none of us to kill if we're all the killer i guess no we're the lowest we're gemini we're the lowest on the list i wonder if again that's because we're we can are we though we're socialize her way out of that i don't know yapper so like what you mean like we're not killers or like we're good at getting away with it because i don't think we're good at getting away with it yeah i guess we're not like i mean especially for yappers that sounds like exactly at some point you're gonna i you know and it's interesting to see here at the bottom that like the fire signs are lower on the killer list than than some of the air and water signs are higher up i guess they're deeply feeling well you mean like so the fire signs are the ones less likely to get killed no sorry i'm back to the serial killer um graphic where gemini and taurus and aries and leo are all like near the bottom and then up top you've got like cancer pisces scorpio you know like more watery but they're more likely sorry to be the killer or the victim the killer interesting well i would imagine like if you're a fire sign you've got like a fiery personality maybe like you're more hot-headed or more like yeah maybe it's not maybe that's like more violent rather than serial killer you know like maybe we are dividing into like because of course killers okay that crosses a whole nother threshold serial killer you can at least put like a cap on like how many names you have because right news reports i mean because then also you could divvy this up into which is like a serial killer which is like a serial killer which is like a serial killer which would be fascinating in its own way and this is like obviously this is just like a fun conversation we're not saying like if you're a fire sign you're like more likely to be an abuser or something no no for sure someone's gonna read it that way so just disclaimer i have apparently a mars and leo okay so whatever i'm apparently i'm very aggressive so whatever but it would be interesting if we're for the sake of conversation um what numbers look like and like based on each crime like who's more likely to be a robber who's more likely to be an arsonist who's more likely to be someone who um you know does like petty crime like and i think that's also so complicated because it's like well your sun sign is one thing and then it's like oh but like maybe you are more if you believe in astrology which i do uh maybe you are more you know like i have a rising and moon maybe sometimes you're more in like that zone right and sometimes you're more in your like sun i don't know i think it's so hard that you could ever even pin that down to like someone's sun sign which like right so it's such a limiting and i yeah so it's interesting that the methodology they used was just going off of that one sign because i wonder if you would even have everybody else's rising or you know right like the numbers could be the act the information could drastically holy shit be totally different it could all not even be about that one sign it could be about like your who's what your fucking mercury is in like it could be anything it could be i mean mars is aggression and sex sex and aggression so i feel like that's a big one um i would imagine interesting uh i imagine your moon because that's like your shadow side that's like your dark side your your intuition your like deep wounds you know is is what your moon is so i bet that would have a big play like very like sensitive so someone who is not me i feel like it would be a really interesting midnight project to go through and do everyone's like full chart and then really see the overlap at every level and then well the problem too is that you would need like birth times and i don't think you would have that exactly so many yeah that's why i say someone who's not me maybe like everyone's all the serial killers maybe someone i mean i a lot of them are gemini there are a lot of gemini uh villain energy out there which like again i spent a long time being like kind of resentful about that and i'm like oh no it's just like a matter of like what you're showcasing to the world what you're using for good versus evil yeah i've never taken that personally i could totally see why the stereotypes of gemini could be bad reps like that's so easy to see so i think the problem for me was i always i felt so much more aligned with other parts of me that i was always like very like what no like gemini's aren't like that and it's like oh no they are i'm i'm just like not as so like i'm like seeing it i don't know anytime anyone's ever said that they have a problem with gemini's i have never i've always gone i totally understand i get it we sound like fucking nightmares i get it too but uh but a fun nightmare you know it's like when you kind of want to keep looking back at at least we have a good time from the studio that brought you wandavision i was an avenger but i'm not a hero anymore the vision returns for the final chapter of the groundbreaking trilogy that family wasn't real you sure about that i had a father called vision how is this possible don't miss the two episode premiere of marvel television's vision quest nothing bonds a family together quite like mortal jeopardy now streaming only on disney plus what did they say where does um uh aries fall in both categories so aries was you know it's interesting gemini and taurus in the serial killer list we're at 27 at the bottom and then it jumps up to 38 with aries so they're second or third to last or yeah third from the bottom but they also have like a big jump up from gemini taurus so um interesting i was my mom's in aries and also aries also they um scare me but i think that's just because of my mom well yeah yeah and 38 39 aries leo like yeah so that's next was there anything that you were surprised by what reading this outside of gemini's yeah like that the fact that like pisces and cancer are the highest number when like typically people joke like oh gemini serial killer season like i don't know because ted bundy and a lot of the famous ones are gemini so i'm like i was really shocked by this that we were at the bottom of this list that includes i don't know if you add up all the numbers how many and sorry a pisces and aries are the highest number of people who joke like oh gemini serial killer season and cancer that that's most likely to be a serial killer that doesn't really surprise me though because aren't they both known to be like really emotional yes so i would just imagine well they just like third snap or something faster i don't know like what the thought would be like all three water signs are in the top are in first place that is weird because they are supposed to like go with the flow more right isn't that the other thing about them it's interesting i feel like they've i mean i guess cancer is a good thing but i don't think it's a good thing i don't think it's a good thing cancer makes sense right because the point of cancer the crab is like oh you have a hard exterior and then you have like a soft underbelly like you're like so sensitive inside but you don't necessarily portray that so i guess that's an interesting way to look at it as like maybe you have like armor i don't know you're armored um but yeah cancer is sorry cancer pisces and scorpio all with 46 but then tied with sagittarius which also has 46 and then like sad you're all the way up there with 46 and gemini's down there with 26 and then you're like oh my god i don't know like that does not track to me i'm like i'm shocked by that it is so fun to just play speculating though like i mean it's all this is all made up guys i'm telling you i promise but like it's fascinating like because again we don't know anything by someone's just their sun sign but like it is an interesting pattern it's certainly a cool study to be like oh yeah fun fact did you know a lot of people happen to be like this i wonder why or like i know it's and it could even be i mean i'm absolutely just bullshitting off the dome here but it could be environmental like if you're born in a place where you're born in a place where you're born in a place where you're born in june that's because you know you're well i was gonna say what if we added head injuries or the the homicidal triad right like what if we added that into the mix that could completely change everything like who had a head injury frontal lobe injury or you could even do like like um how many of them what are maybe it's that they're all gemini's but what are all their relationships with their parents or like oh god what are their relationships with their siblings or um all their moms were aries uh-oh we're both screwed i mean it could even be like because like it could be like a butterfly affecting like because they're gemini's they learned at school this way and like it's just like a ripple effect they ended up turning out this way because they were gemini's and that affected their behavior in some way like right so it's also super interesting exactly so it's like far too simplistic of course to look at it just as the bare facts or to mean much more than like just a fun talking point but it is also you're you could do um yeah why right because i mean if you read did you read that book um oh my god whatever that malcolm gladwell thing we all had to read where it was like maybe it was blank it was the one with 10 000 hours or whatever oh 10 000 it was like his fourth book or something it was one of them and he like talks about like oh well i think it was him who talks about like oh the hockey teams in canada it's like it ended up being more important when what month you were born in because if you were older you were automatically or at least typically bigger and so you're more likely to make it on the hockey team earlier at an elementary school like in whatever when they start in like second grade and then you know and then by the time you're at like a professional level it's people are like why are all of them born in september or whatever the month was like october and it's like oh it just happens to be the cutoff for the right it's like it was like correlation is not causation or something exactly exactly so there's that's beautifully put um yes science has already given us the terminology thank you that's really well done it's always like well more it's like when there are more serial i'm butchering it but one of the examples that like i always learned in my psych classes was like um more people get murdered when more people get murdered their like ice cream sales go up and it was like well it's just because both things are happening in the summer when people are outside and it's right like it's like there could be a totally different third factor you're not paying attention to and there probably is yeah probably i would i would bet some money there is yeah and that's so cool i know it's so interesting and like even just to get to know people based on like little things and connect with them on and even when people don't necessarily believe in astrology i think it's interesting that like people will still know things about themselves like they'll say oh like i i think my moon is this you know i like it's still interesting on some human level i think um to have like those categories i i did hear someone once say that really interested in astrology purely because since we're yappers it gives us a small it gives us a talking point for people oh so it's almost like like the stereotype could be oh gemini's love astrology it's like no we just love to have like a conversation piece in our back pocket if we need it yeah it's like yeah it's like things like that so i this i'm fucking eating this up yeah it's like one more hobby or interest that we can like flip over to and like it's just learn a little bit about if i go to a party and i don't know people i can at the very least be like oh here's this is what our signs are like it's just something nice to have you know what's interesting is my um um my trainer she was like well do you do do you know your human design and i was like okay now this is a new thing to fall in love with yeah do you know your human design no i don't even know what the fuck you're talking about oh really well it was all the rage when i was in egypt everybody we had people on the bus who were like kind of experts on it and i was just like learning um look up human design i am a projector what is my human design and it gets really wild like in depth if you need another like fixation oh god there's 17 questions to this oh god oh well you're supposed to just put in your birth date and time okay okay yeah get your human design chart oh here we go yeah i'm curious because i am a projector which i don't necessarily know what that means yet i'm uh learning well look it up while i'm doing this okay well um because i want to i want to see if we what our vibes are um okay here's mine let's see and then there are different like aspects to it so you have um so my energy type is projector this is how your energy functions your i have i best make decisions emotional intuition okay uh my profile type is the easy breezy genius damn okay that's nice how do i add okay i just got mine mine is um manifesting yes i think that's yes i know that one my strategy is to respond my inner authority is emotional um i don't really know what i'm looking at here my my diet my digestion is closed oh my god oh no i i have my motivation is fear oh god my environment is mountains now that one i can confirm i love that for you i i don't know perspective i don't know perspective i don't know perspective is one thing i don't know if i'm any of this makes sense to you but anyway apparently i bet by next week i'll be fascinated and like you know it's interesting i just pulled up the app and i guess i had downloaded before because i have blazes in here oh really putting i don't remember putting this in but he's a generator with sacral authority and his profile type is the great life experimenter well that's very intense it's intense i just looked up human design manifester and projector relationship thrives on a push-pull dynamic where the manifester initiates and the projector guides oh yeah that makes sense the manifester brings energy to create while the projector offers wisdom to streamline it i mean that's literally how this podcast started so that's kind of exactly right yeah that's and that's what my trainer said too she's like oh projectors take like the energy and like almost guide it or like help shine it on other help shine light on other people to help them understand their own it's it's reflective a little bit i think um so that's interesting interesting yeah i'm i'm intrigued by this because um because you know why i'm because i am but uh i just find it really interesting and then she said that and i went okay see you tuesday and i'll be back with like and she's gonna hit i hate fun and i'm gonna be like but i have so much to say oh you should you should well there's no way to like build your own button i guess you could just draw one but you should just tape it next to hers and it says i don't care i like fun i'm a gemini yeah oh my god yeah and then she's like oh god she was like you'll like marianne or whatever like we because sometimes there's two people in the studio at the same time she's like you'll like marianne she's all into astrology and i was like okay marianne marianne and i are gonna talk about you by the way we're gonna bitch about you oh anyway well very cool it's very fun um i wonder if i can like add people to this see like this is when i get unhinged this is the most gemini and projector behavior to add everybody into my app and like then look at their charts and be like here's how you all get along like i don't know i mean i would do that why not you would do that too of course it's so fun um i don't know half the shit is happening on this app i feel very confused by it's it's just a new language to learn i know right and it has like this fancy chart of course oh i need a subscription well oh good good in that case um interesting yeah and especially like i've been doing um reiki training yes how is that trained it's great but it's like fascinating because i think i really didn't know if it was real and it's real really yeah how so what like what was the moment for you it's almost like i knew it was real but i didn't like no it was real do you know what i mean sure when did what when did you know when were you like oh this this is different i laid down she's like i'm gonna tune you and i was like oh the virgin mary's here that's cool huh and then my grandma showed up i mean it was like really crazy and then i had this uh flashback memory of choosing my life it was like i mean i'm not kidding i've been i mean this shit is crazy and then i got home and i went um so blaze i'm having sort of like a i like a existential crisis um you know about everything because i just sort of had my world kind of flipped upside down um and i was attuned or i guess it depends on the word you use raise you raise you i think um and it's like you can like feel it like i was doing like i was doing i had this stomach ache and i was like oh my god i can like feel energy it's like a essentially like you could feel like a like if your stomach hurt does that mean like a like a stomach chakra isn't aligned or something i just like had a tummy ache so i was like oh i'll try to like lay my hands on and just like intend to do reiki and it was like oh i can like feel like my hands tingling and like weird you know i put it on my head and at one point i was doing this and i like put my hands on my face and i just like tears were like pouring down and i was like i do not know what's happening like i don't feel sad wow i'm just having like huge emotions it's trippy dude and so and it feels different than just like mind over matter like just like yes hmm weird yes it's who's teaching you sorry i'm asking too many questions no no no i i thank you for asking her name's maria maria you got a lot of trainers left and right and all this and you're breathing and you're um i don't know what is happening it's like i turn uh well i haven't talked about this on the podcast happy birthday to us i'm gonna just completely derail now and i mean i i think we're yes go for it okay i'm gonna say an announcement which um i wasn't even sure if i would ever come up on the podcast and now i'm gonna say it and now i have to find my right app to make sure i get the statistics correct hold on please one moment i'm i'm ready are you sat i'm literally i'm on do you remember when hey i watch a lot of snark channels do you remember when michaela neguera was like you're gonna want to sit down for this when she announced her own divorce and everyone was like are you about to announce your own divorce can you imagine no oh my god remember when i accidentally almost make people think i'm divorced like every five minutes because like i never wear a wedding ring and neither does blaze and i'm like i don't know i just don't i never noticed actually you don't wear a wedding ring i never noticed in my well i do usually but like i'll take it off for a shower and then i'll like forget and it's like kind of small on me and then i like don't want to wear it and then people are like why aren't you wearing a wedding i mean it's mostly like my mother and i'm like i don't know i just like we have a baby in a house literally many animals i just kissed him on the mouth what more do you want as proof of my love okay um anyway well apparently i lost the app which you know what i guess that is enough to say uh what i'm trying to say which is that i actually have quit drinking alcohol really surprise yeah um yes and today yeah uh well that's what i'm trying to find oh okay is my app that tells me oh here it is days since 82 days holy shit what are you gonna do for day 100 you gotta do something i don't know i don't know i don't know i never thought i'd make it this far is it is it just to see if you can or is this like a like a like what's i'm out i'm out wow i'm out it happened very suddenly it was not planned it sounds like i'm pregnant i'm not um it sounds like i'm divorced i'm not um you just decided one day like oh i'm just over it or what or do you have to talk about it you don't if you don't want to it's so weird that we're talking about this because it was the night of the eclipse okay i mean cool sorry sorry it's just like i i don't know why i even looked like that i'm where are we going is what i'm thinking and i thought to myself i can tell there is something i need to let go of and i cannot figure out what it was i was having like weird dreams and i was up and i'm sitting there drinking wine right and i'm like well this certainly this is not it but something something must go and so i was getting so frustrated that at one point i was like really trying to like let go and surrender and just be like okay take the wheel god whatever and um i'm sitting there and i was like okay it's the eclipse so tonight i'll do a little ritual and i said to the universe to the world i give up you take over i can't figure out what you want me to do what you want me to let go of handing the reins to you figure it out. That night, I woke up with what I thought that was the flu it was alcohol withdrawals I was vomiting I had a fever I was sick for like two or three days and it finally occurred to me how much did you drink the night before I mean the same amount I had always drank which was far too much and it was like I don't know what happened it was almost like I got like pushed into this and maybe I did have like a type of flu but then because or because I wasn't drinking I had a reaction you know but I had these like nightmares of my maternal line and my paternal line like all the way back drinking alcohol it was bizarre like my stepmom I mean just like all these things happening at once like these weird flashbacks and I was having literal fever dreams and like sweating through all the sheets I mean it's disgusting I went through like full-on withdrawals and then at the end of like two days when I was like finally like waking up from this I was like okay I get it like I was like I just woke up and was like fine and um it was so weird because I had already had in place like this is very Aquarius of me like very mentally had already planned behind the scenes of my brain like all the sort of things I was gonna like I knew the creator on TikTok I was gonna DM real quick to be like hey I remember like you posting about quitting drinking and like I just want to touch but you know just like little things where I was like oh I can go back to her content and see like remind myself that I'm not drinking with like the tips that she had posted you know and I like texted Blaze and said just get rid of all the alcohol no questions asked you know and I don't know it just suddenly happened very uh aggressively and I guess um whether it was just a coincidence or not I said like I give up I can't figure it out and the I said just take the wheel and it fucking did and it spent my life into quite a spiral um in a good way bad way all the ways um I think it's like the I pulled the tower card like three days in a row during that and I was like oh shit like everything's just falling apart um oh my god in like a good way how do you feel well my Crohn's went crazy I got like really sick it was like my hormones were out of because I'd been drinking so much for so long that it just got to a point where I was like you were like my body's normal yeah my body was like what's happening like you've put us into shock um and it was it was just very uh bizarre and like I always knew that one day I would stop drinking I just didn't know when and I was like I'm not gonna do it till I'm ready and like I knew no one else could tell me to do it so it was sort of like I had to make a call and I remember thinking I have to like now or never basically like it's it I just have to do it and um yeah it was I initially said I'll just try it out but I think like pretty immediately was like okay I know that I had to do that um I have been reliant on THC especially for sleep so you know I'm not like stone cold sober um and I still have uh you know I still have a good time at weddings and stuff but like the drinking man I think it was just starting I'm getting old you know I was just starting to and I don't want anyone to feel discouraged because like when I would hear people talk about yet like quitting drinking it like really triggered me but that like when I was drinking a lot and so I don't really trigger yeah because it was like I should I know I should be doing that but like oh you know you kind of like get the like uh I had no idea wow there's something validating about other people drinking right because it's like okay especially people you follow like if you're drinking and you don't feel necessarily at least for me I didn't necessarily feel comfortable with my drinking but I was like comforted by watching other people drink and being like it's normal like to be a mom who drink you know and there were all these things where I would like just normalize it in my own head to kind of avoid looking at it closer and then um so I don't want anyone to feel like that because it I at least for me it's like I don't want anyone to feel like that because I don't want I was like it's only gonna happen when I'm ready and I guess I was ready I didn't think I was ready but my body was like we're done wow that's crazy and ever since then I mean I started watercoloring I do fucking qigong that was the week I started like I started all these things to be like to distract yourself or yeah a little bit or just it was almost like I like this fog kind of lifted and I was like oh I'm finding dopamine elsewhere like I think I had just dulled so much of my own self that like I didn't realize what was fun anymore and it was like relearning like I didn't have an appetite I still don't have an appetite and like I can only eat like crackers like it's so weird it's like everything has been topsy-turvy weird and I haven't really talked about on the podcast just because it's like well it's personal yeah well it's personal and we talk and we usually record during the day and like early day anyway so it's like sure you know it just didn't seem like it didn't it didn't come up but um and I also wanted to like know that it was like I was like I was like I was like I was official before I like said anything you know I was gonna say does this make you feel nervous like this is gonna no I mean do you tell me no ask away I'm bringing no I'm bringing it to the table as an open subject do you miss it at all what that's a great question at first like horribly and it was sort of like there was a lot of grief because it was like oh I just don't get to be that person that like walks up to jerry's junk house like our local bar and grab a drink and I'm like you know like it's just like they're little things that like not that I ever really did that but they're you tell yourself these stories or you have these like ideas in your head of like oh one day I'll go to like Spain and drink real Spanish wine and it's like you know part of me is like you can still do that like nobody's making you not do that you know right you can still do that and it's not the end of the world but also we'll get there when we get there like one day at a time you know yeah yeah and it's been a big learning curve I mean I could also see it certainly a grief I mean you're losing your your current or was your current identity I mean you have to like learn what's fun or what's fun about you or what you like doing outside of that it's amazing I don't like going to bars anymore isn't that shocking really that's like the least shocking thing ever that people don't like going to bars when they quit obviously like you must be so bored at a bar I'm used to people wanting to go so I just go yeah but I mean I'm not I'm not the fun they're having though yeah it's sort of like you really have to get to a point where you're like am I having fun no it was a more of a it became way more of a and you know I had to kind of like come clean to blaze like I was like I was drinking more than I intended to I realized it was like so much shame around it also when I quit drinking I didn't realize how much space it took up in my brain like actual active thinking because it would be like oh well when can I drive and like oh what time would that end and then I'll come home and have a beer like it just was like constantly in the back of my head and um you know some people can have a healthy relationship with alcohol I think I'm just not that person or maybe I you know maybe I thought I was maybe I can and I just am choosing not to any try anymore but it was taking up a lot of brain space um and a lot of it was like like uh one of the earliest things that really convinced me like oh this is the best Leon and I were doing bedtime one night and she fell and like just scraped her knee or hit her head or something like minor right like just oh you fell it was just like a bonk yeah and like the like the immediate shame and fear that took over and then I went what is that and then I went oh my god normally I'd be drinking and I would have thought to myself shit was I not paying attention was I like you know too buzzed to like be looking and it's like no I was completely completely sober she fell she scraped her knee and I was like wow so I'm carrying like so much weird personalized like internalized shit and then she got up and played and I was like I would have been sitting here like oh my god like am I it's almost like I just peeled off this like very toxic layer off my life that um was fun and had its time but now it's like just doing more harm than good um wow well I mean you do realize how many people you've probably just helped by talking about it I mean I I want to at least be open about it because it's fucking horrible I think you're about to accidentally get an influx of messages it's so hard it's so hard and like I've I've not been like super vocal about it like I post I've been posting more on Instagram I'm really trying to like get a feel for this is like kind of corny but like a feel for myself back and I think that's why like all these random like jujitsu and things I did not plan any of this and I didn't it all happened so fast it was almost like I pulled one like Jenga piece and everything kind of like collapsed but like rebuilt very quickly it was like I pulled that piece out and suddenly I'm like seeing a trainer for like diaphragmatic breathing which is like completely changing my anxiety levels and I'm like going to jujitsu with Blaise and Leona every other day like just for fun because he said why not like I don't know a lot of things have just opened up that I think I needed to let that go and I got to a point where I knew I needed to let go but I was holding on so tight that I was like I basically told the universe like fucking do it you have to do it for me and it felt like it got pride out of me I'll tell you what it felt like it got pride out of me but like now that it's gone I'm like okay I feel better so if you're out there and you're struggling um me too and also a lot of us too and also don't feel ashamed if you need like I mean I'm not a doctor but uh you know I've used THC regularly to help uh at least get through this period and you know eventually that's might something I hopefully look closer at as well, but at this point it's sort of like let me get through this chapter of it um and yeah so don't feel you know ashamed but yeah feel free to dm me if you if you want to um and again i don't want anyone to feel like discouraged or whatever i don't know it's like it's also hard because it's like nine years of my literal like job identity too you know yeah so what you're saying is your team milkshake now sure that's crazy i'll be how about i we finally have a pothead on the show how about that i'll become the and that's why we don't drink yeah that's why we smoke yeah and i just i don't know there's just something very very that has naturally very much like opened up in um in like the in my intro like in finding joy other places you know and having kind of more openness and feeling more uh in my body so yeah anyway i i felt uh like that was either gonna come up sometime or not and i said you know what if it comes up it comes up and we said yeah hey uh let's talk about astrology and here i go um oh my god probably derailing but anyway so that's that's my update um i post more about it on instagram because i'm just trying to keep that more my you know personal life but um i don't know i feel like i'm kind of coming out from under a rock you know not a bruise a huge bruise that is also part of why i'm a walking bruise because it is so much easier to just numb yourself out dude it is so much easier i believe it um and i don't think i would have ever been able to climb out of that which is why i avoided it i i i know i would not i i the struggle would be very tough so that's that's i am i'm very proud of you and also selfishly this this works out really well for me because now you and i could literally finally go drink together because you you we would have mocktails together it's i can finally give someone my recipes it's shocking because i'm like i've never understood your plight until now it's like i've never really understood everything you just said no no no my plight now um no no no but it's true like i'm like omg but i will say i waited long enough that there are some very good non-alcoholic beers i never thought i would be a non-alcoholic beer person but there's something at like that certain time when it's like kind of hot out and i'm like i'm thirsty and i want a beer and it's like it i think my brain our brains are just dumb they're dumb animal brains right so like you really can oh and there's an app called reframe that i will also recommend highly it's not an ad but reframe app has like completely helped me um look at the science of drinking and i think that was what really i knew whenever i knew whenever the day came that i quit drinking that i would need to look at the evidence to really convince myself like oh shit because i knew it was there but i was like i'm not gonna look at it no no the mirror is the hardest part to look at yeah exactly it was a mirror it was a mirror and the universe was like here's a giant mirror a fun house one well i mean truly next time you need a fun little drink and you uh an fld and you don't know what to do i literally have 30 now you've as of this week 34 years of experience of all the fun things i could pass along this week i'm so proud of you and i'm proud of us the raslims are going to be incredible the raslims yeah i've i've gotten into uh some some match remember when i was drinking matcha and i'm like i don't know this is all new to me like i'm literally i feel like i'm feel like i'm kind of a kid again like i'm like experiencing things literally like i it's the only it's the only way i can um relate to this personally but like the amount of mixing of juices you're about to do is gonna blow your fucking mind listen i can't wait and i think leona's like on board for the ride yeah you and leona can do like kitty drinking together yeah like tea parties galore yeah when well summer's right around the corner in trader joe's do you have a trader joe's near you i do i'll send you some stuff because there's um i would love that there's one that it's my favorite drink but it's like seasonal stuff that only trader joe sells so when it happens i love that we'll have to make it together on the show yes that would be fun oh we do oh we could do like and that's why we drink and actually do like mocktail recommendations back and and finally i can tell you no i know finally you can suggest drinks to me and i could tell you um as the expert here you're not gonna want to have that one tell me how to do it tell me how to live finally we can relate a little differently right at least um i'm getting it though because like i'm understanding like oh it is fun to just go try something and take a class and learn something like i don't know i just feel like i've gotten a renewed um appreciation but also like a lot of things have been like upheaval you know like it's almost like also i cut that out and it's like oh now everything's different in my family not everything's different but like i really to life differently i relate to sure family dinner differently i relate to birthdays and events well your whole life is you have to you have yes rewriting how you operate under every circumstance right it feels like i've just been like kind of re-assembled um and so it's very kind of maddening but also exciting so i've been posting a lot but sometimes i'm like am i like i'll like post something where i'm like this is fucking hilarious and it's so me and then i'll share it like a few hours later i'm like what does this even mean like what am i doing i don't know i feel like i'm just kind of like experimenting with things so it's kind of fun yeah it's like fun and and and i had resigned myself i told myself i there there is no way in hell i'm gonna ever quit drinking i was like there's no way it's just like not possible and i remember thinking there was a point in my life that's so dark i'm sorry but this is probably when my tourist uh trainer was like you got to say that in therapy please not here i like how this is therapy i mean whatever this is okay it's our birthday um no i think i think the thing that really struck me afterward was like i remember being in the kitchen being like well this is a generational pattern that like leon is gonna have to break not me like i can't do it and i was like i don't think you're alone in having thought something like that it's it's really scary and like it's it's one of those things where like afterward it's like oh i just like want to hug myself but at the time i was like oh my god i was like beating myself up and being so cruel and i think like just be gentle with yourself even if you're not if you are feeling like you're doing everything wrong it's it's hard it's so hard to be a human okay um it's it's hard to not rely on um especially when the system is against you totally and they want you to be drinking and doing you know they want it's like i mean they you know but like it's just easier to numb out right like it is absolutely especially when like it's so glamorized that this is the way to cope and this is the way to be social and if you don't i mean there's a there's a very big reason there's many reasons but one of the reasons why a lot of people don't quit is because they're like well then what else is there and which feels dark but i mean that's what i always thought i was like what's the point even yeah it's like this is how i operate in this situation this situation this situation and it's a big ask to take someone's play thing away and completely reinvent themselves totally and it's like it's like for why for what and like that was always my thing and so when it like kind of happened i was like i need to know for why for what and i feel like that app especially was so helpful because every day i would be like well it knows your dopamine's low so it's like fucking ready to like hit you wherever or help you wherever you need to like to like deal with that but then it also is so helpful because it'll be like hey it's been five days and this means like the inflammation is down by this much or like you know so it's very like cerebral which i appreciate and kind of like shows you the literal physical evidence of like hey your sleep is better your you know my aura ring is like wow what's happening and i'm like shut up yeah yeah shut up i know you know and it's but it took a long time and sometimes you just gotta wait it out for your nervous system to be ready but like damn no that's a journey your journey i mean i'm just i'm sure if people are super happy that you're talking about it i i hope so and like if you're out there and you're like i couldn't do that well i couldn't either so i don't know man i mean if i can do it you can do it believe it me or not believe it or not no pressure i somebody has probably taken everything you just said as like a sign or or you know what's so funny is the day i quit drinking i was like i want signs every fucking five seconds i would open my thing and it was like how to stop and i was like fine it's like i need a different sign i need a different sign it's like that's not specific enough and it's like here's a sign from your guardian angel that you should stop drinking i'm like it still doesn't quite do it for me it's really specific but yeah well uh when is your hundredth day then i have no idea well it's almost like what 82 82 i was so like counting every minute for a while and then that's gonna be a good sign of growth that like now you're not looking at the yeah i couldn't even find the find the app at first which was kind of shocking um but yeah so i guess i have 18 more days and then it'll be 100 how are you gonna celebrate go drinking get wasted yeah oh geez yeah um you know maybe no you never know uh juice box uh juice boxes get high on life you know um get high on the marijuana i don't know there's we'll go do something i mean there's a look because the world is ass even if you like you're like oh i'm in such a good place i don't really feel like i need to celebrate that asides like anytime that this shithole world gives you a reason to like just be whimsical like just take it just take it I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to plan my hundredth. I've gotten myself a lot of treats because it's just been very healing to be like, but then it's also like, oh, I lost my yoga mat years ago and I was too embarrassed to like, go get it back from the yoga studio. So like, I'll go to yoga this week. And after two weeks I bought myself a new yoga mat, you know, like I've been very, so it's, it sounds so corny. Cause it's like, I didn't do any of it on purpose. Really? I didn't. It sounds like I did, but I also want to say like, if you feel like so stuck, literally ask the universe, be prepared to get fucking thrown on your ass. But like, they'll, it'll pick you back up. Yeah. No, the world adapts with you. So yeah, it'll kick your ass, but it'll help you up. Um, but so yeah, if you ever need, uh, yeah, feel free to reach out on, on Instagram or that's usually, I mean, I still have a hard time finding re responding. Reach out and maybe you'll get a response. You never know. Um, maybe one day when I'm feeling whimsical. So. Well, I, uh, speaking for everybody, we're all very proud of you. I know that's not what you're dare. I feel like I'm placating you. No, you're not placating me. No, no, I, no, I believe you. I don't, I don't feel that way. I mean, when people are placating me, then I'm like, don't placate me, but I know you're not placating me, but no, we're all very proud of you. I, it's, that's a long, that's a long time. That's a long time. Thank you. I'm shocked by the number. It really is like shocking that I'm approaching a hundred. Um, but it does get, easier. I will say like almost immediately within a couple of days, it was like the grip of it was gone or not gone, but at least like way lower. Um, so in the moment it feels like there's no possible way. Like your body is like, we actually don't know how to live without this. And you're like, uh, so it's like a real thing. You're, and by the way, your brain is tricking you. If you're, it's telling you things I used to Google is my brain tricking you. And it was like, yes, your brain is literally tricking you. Cause you get dopamine from this and it's like, do it again. Nothing else will do. Of course. Well, especially the confirmation bias of, well, last time it made me feel a lot better. So why don't we just do that again? Yeah. And it's like easy and you know, so don't beat yourself up. It's hard. Um, if I can do it, you can do it. Very proud of you. And also I know it's like gotten kind of lost in the sauce at this point, but well done on the discussion about horoscopes as well. I know. Right. I'm like this, I swear to God, this was not even, and by the way, folks for next week, cause I was like, uh, I think I'm just going to do the astrology today cause we already have a long episode, but I do actually have a topic for next week. Um, on, uh, two, two criminals called the Gemini twins. Okay. So we can get to that next week. So off, but the week after it'll be, um, we'll probably be leaving Gemini season. It'll be the perfect time for me to force more Gemini talk into the ether. Well, the plot twist is that we're the Gemini twins and we haven't actually committed the crime yet. So we have to go do that before you can report on it. We'll do it soon. Um, before I've got some time on our birthdays. So excellent. Yeah. Okay. You guys have to be our alibis. Oh, well I'm proud of you, Christine and happy birthday. Next time I talk to you, you'll be 35. So elderly half of 70. Oh, wow. Okay. Hey, sorry to ruin everyone's day. Wow. I want to die. Um, I almost said that earlier when you talked about Alaska and I was like, zip it, zip it. I hate fun. I hate fun. And now I, I just, it burst out. I'm sorry. Oh, well, I, anyone, if you want to come to Alaska, you have a year to plan it. See you in June and June now. Uh, and that's why we don't don't drink. Uh, good one from the studio that brought you WandaVision. 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