E485 A Biblically Accurate Batman and a Birthday Bark Mitzvah

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I was like, I've tried to play along and be on your side against your mother's will this whole time. But it's gone too far. I have to side with her. This is getting really gross. It's finally time for you to step. And I'm so sorry I've disappointed you, Dad. Welcome to our podcast. It's called And That's Why We Drink. Things are tough out there, man. But you know what? We're still making it work. I'm Christine, and I'm here to bring you some bad news about true crime. And I'm here with my co-host, Dad. The one who's apparently always trying to be the fun parent but is put in a sticky situation every now and then. That's how you've been typecast, yes. I'm Em Schultz. And today is a big day for us. This is our. This is our birthday episode. Speaking of which, how was your son's birthday? The Bark Mitzvah. I saw the pictures. Oh, did you? I did. It looked delightful. He is a big boy now. He's a man because he's technically 13. Right. It went very well. I was shocked how many people bring gifts to a dog Bark Mitzvah at their own dog park. I guess if you don't write no gifts, you know, people are just gonna. I truly just. I mean, I even told people at the park, I was like, oh, we're gonna have a little thing, you know. Just, you know, want to invite you to know what time to be here. And everyone just started showing up with gifts. It was. I was like, I didn't mean to make a thing. I know. You should be like, actually, so he had his Bar Mitzvah. Now what's next? Now it's my birthday. And I'll be like, oh, I'm just having a little thing at the dog park. So. Yes, it will be. Hank will be there and he will be accepting presents. Thank you. No, it was a very nice time. And actually today now we're going to another doggy birthday at the dog park. So. It's all the rage I hear, these dog birthdays. I, you know, and I thought they're doing the one thing. I did not do whether the owner is bringing little mini, like solo cups with a shot glass size and she's going to be. For pup. For pup cups. That's so smart. I was like, that. Genius. Whipped cream was the only thing I didn't bring at my party. That's the only thing you didn't bring. Okay. Well, now that begs the question. What the hell did you bring? Oh. That's the only thing. The only thing missing. Did you have a bounce house? Did you have like a petting zoo? Like Barney? Well, technically the dog park is a petting zoo. Oh, you beautiful check. So, um, I, we had a dreidel. Sorry. You can hear the birthday boy himself. Yeah. He's like, uh, let me tell you about my day. It was really extra special. I'm a man now, actually. The birthday man. Yeah. He's been acting like it. He's like, I'm the boss. Um, there you go. Okay. He's done drinking. Thank God. Um, oh, I, I, we had dreidel for it to be a bar mitzvah, which I don't even know if, I don't think they play that at bar mitzvahs, but I was trying to think of anything Jewish that was dog friendly. Yeah. And I also had to make my own poker, like game chips. Cause usually you play with chocolate and can you imagine if I brought chocolate to a dog park? Oh my word in heaven. Um, I, we brought pin the tail on the hankies. M kills an entire, Burbank resident killed an entire dog park. It would really put like a not so great spot on my mayoral resume. It would be the first time your Burbank newspaper would have a different headline. Brad Corb finally steps aside to let you know. Brad Corb knows things have gotten bleak. Brad Corb, wouldn't kill your dog. I mean, really like it speaks for itself. Um, no, it was, it was very fun, but this, this time around it's RB days. Uh, it are mine is in two days. Yours is in three. Oh my word. That's right. I totally on it today as we record this at my birthday's in 10 days. And she was like freaking out. She was like, we are so behind preparation already stressed. Cause she knows the importance of a theme, you know, and I'm like, girl, you don't have to do anything. And she's like, step aside. Do you think she, um, is at an age where blaze has like told her like, quote secret, like surprises about like what we're doing for mommy for her birthday or does she not know what's going on? No, she does. She does. It's just a secret. We're all in on the moment. She's in on the secret. Everyone's in on the secret. Got it. Okay. But it's still a secret. So, you know, like I wouldn't know. So maybe the secret is like, we're going to have fun, you know? Yeah. Or like, you know, mommy. Mommy wants to do something like, uh, or, or, or the secret would be, I bought this. Let's pick this out for mommy, but let's make sure we don't tell her. And so then she comes home and says, mommy, I'm not going to tell you about the beautiful flowers we just bought at the store. You know, like, so it's a secret. I will never know. Um, it's just accidentally been already told to me. So she's really working on a kind of semantics and she'll get there with me as her mother. So we'll get there. Are you excited about your birthday? Do you know what you're going to do yet? I do. Cause I'm a huge nerd. Um, there is a history. Walk on Monmouth. My, in my main, in my neighborhood, they're doing a big history, a self-guided tour, and I'm going to go to the self-guided tour and go into all the old buildings and look for creepy little ghosts and stuff and just wander around and learn about the history of Newport, Kentucky. That's awesome. I did not know you were a history buff. I just, I think I just have had to finally accept that about myself. Okay. Like that. I'm just a huge fucking nerd. Sick brother. Well, then I, um, thanks dad. Let's be trying to be funny. We're going to be the fun parent after the harsh talk we had. Um, sick. You like history too? Not the civil war kind. Okay. Well, is there any, um, okay. Last question I'll ask, but since you're nerdy about it and it's your birthday and it's something you want to go do, is there a building you're hoping you'll learn more about that you think has good history? I hadn't thought of that until this very moment. Absolutely. So I have two answers. First of all, I'm opening my blood orange, blood orange. I love a BO. Oh, it's my favorite. I love a BO. And it's my favorite. Blaze has been getting, Blaze has been getting at the store and I, the day he bought them, I, yeah, I turned, I'm kind of like Leona. I know it's shocking. I turned to him and I said, buy more. And he's just bought like four. And I was like, well, buy more. Well, you know what? I, he's, I'm sure he's used to it between you and Leona. Just everyone always wants more of whatever he's doing. It was actually shocking how little he reacted. Um, yeah, it was kind of, I had to look inward. Um, yeah, I'm hoping to go into that building that you and I learned about on that ghost tour. That creepy auto-printing. building, which every time I drive past, I'm like expecting to see something in the windows up there. It's where like they said that ball bounced around and they made it sound horrible. Oh, it was so creepy. And that was when that Batman, a full, fully. Yes. I remember when Batman walked by. Fully evolved Batman walked past. It wasn't like a Batman. It was like the most biblically accurate Batman I've ever seen in my life. It was a biblically accurate Batman. And he walked right past us as we were learning about the fucking building. Um, that and the place where I went to prom, which was, um, it's called the syndicate and it's an, it's called gangster. It's a gangster's dueling. Piano bar is what it's called. Incredible. I mean, you can quote me on that. I don't think they have internet. Um, but essentially this building, uh, is just this creepy old building where a bunch of like mobsters back in the day died and it's very haunted, but I had my prom there. That's very cool. So, you know, maybe I'll get to go inside. Did you have an after prom? Um, I don't know. Cause I wasn't really. Cool enough for that. So instead my date, when I went to his prom, his high school had an after prom and I was like, this is the coolest thing that's ever happened to me. Cause I didn't drink in high school. So like I wasn't, I was totally straight edge, um, and really, really proud and insecure about it. And so then I went to after the duality is crazy. A proud, I contain multitudes. What can I say? Cool. And sick brother. Wait, I love you. Brother rock and roll brother. Um, they had skyline chili there and it was in his huge gymnasium. I mean, it was this huge high school called Oak Hills that I had never even like heard of. And then they were like, Oh, there's like 3000 kids that go to the school. And I was like, what? Um, and so I went to the after prom there and I was like, Oh my God, this is awesome. They had like, but it was. And it was just this huge gymnasium and they had like all this shit like carnival games and like all night long. I was like, that's awesome because they didn't want people to drink. Yeah. Ours was at like a trampoline house or something. Yeah. It was at like a fun park or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which I, I feel like in hindsight as an adult, I'd be like, of course, let's put all of the people, all the kids with way too much fucking energy. Let's like, totally. It was, it's just the adult version of like, let's burn out the babies. They're all like hormonal and they're all like eyeing each other. It's like dangerous. Danger zone. Let's not bring beer into the mix, you know? I mean, this is gonna end badly. I get it. it agreed agreed um what are you doing for your birthday are you going to an after prom um i i'm not going to an after prom that would be very illegal i think i've learned and also like so troubling i think chris hansen would be at that after prom you don't know finally you'd get his autograph um it'll be on like the judge's warrant yeah can i just take a picture of that for me imagine if i had a judge's warrant of chris hansen and i went oh my god seriously i have his autograph and it's like no he's signing you over to prison actually so like yes and both two things can two things can be true first of all is what you need to know and you also contain multitudes and i want you to remember that thank you thank you that's not good that's that'll be my defense be like your honor you don't get it i'll be your attorney don't worry things will go very well um i'm sure nothing bad will happen no so no after prom for me um no after because i'm going to the building where i went to prom and i'm going to learn the history about it which is a super cool thing to do on your birthday not i would like to go back to where i went to prom i went to um a bougie school and i my prom was on a cruise i know oh like like a river cruise yes we had a river cruise dance too it was very fun i also went to a bougie school but we didn't get to do the fun trampoline thing i don't know why it was um me and one other school not me and i don't know our my school my school me versus a whole school what if you were homeschooled what if you were homeschooled and this is your way and i just like jumped onto their prom and i went me and that was my my bougie teacher and we had a prom on a cruise because she had a work event me at another school which was your cousin oh man can you guys tell it's gemini season because it's fucking riling me up dude i'm like unstoppable it's so annoying um my okay so my birthday uh well allison poor allison because now that hank's in the picture she has two gemini's to deal with no it's really delightful i'm sure she's sweating bullets i bet um i i don't know what she has planned for my birthday um next year is uh three five for me and i'm gonna make that a milestone birthday and so i told her this this time around she we can play it cool we could be chill but next year i want to go do something crazy um i don't know what we're what what her plan is she she said that she's taking me on a on a trip at some point i think it's next weekend we're going on a little getaway but i don't know where bring your pillow i literally i know i was like so far i'm nervous um good start tell me there will be a hotel this time um and she won't tell you where we're going so i am a little nervous about that but well i'm getting nervous i'm getting nervous too because i did want to add one thing and i feel like we're going to make the listeners very nervous if we don't mention this which is that we are also taking one of our holiday weeks next week we have never really had holiday weeks this is the first year we've had them and built into our schedule um i think most podcasts do have them and we're just the weirdos who've never had one so we were like why not birthday week um and since you're going on a trip anyway maybe it'll be a good coinciding but i don't want people to be like did m die and then there's no you know what i mean like that's excellent where my last words were like i'm a little nervous and then all of a sudden they're not recording exactly and then everyone digs back and is like oh my god so before that just fyi there's not an episode coming out next week but it's not hopefully not because m's dead um well you know both things can be true and contains multitudes no we i thank you for reminding everybody but yeah so on oh god you know what week it's is the week of six seven oh fuck me well no wonder we're taking time off we didn't even want to be around for that i'm certainly too old for that we will not be here but we will have another episode out on the 14th the following yeah um but no i don't know what i'm doing my only request has been that we go to um a brazilian steakhouse where like the meat just keeps coming right like bring it on that's my only request um good for you good for you yeah that's that's it i and then next year i mean i already told you i want it to be a big one but next year hopefully if i've finished all my states um it will my birthday will be in alaska that's my plan oh now that would be cool i'll finish it out and i've been warning i've been telling everybody i'm like if you are thinking about ever going to alaska and you like just don't have a reason you just need to like pull the trigger just know that somebody is going to be there and you're going to be there and you're going to be you know will be in alaska in june if you need like a home base or if you want to share a hotel or something you say because it does sound like you're saying in juno and so sorry it doesn't really i think my brain just is mental but i think you just did something though because now i have to spend june in juno it's supposed to be i mean come on you can't not but it's so far a weird assortment of people have said that they're they're thinking about coming oh tell me like one person from the dog park allison's sister only like it's like she's like i'm leaving the child behind and the family yes like i think it would be like a family trip but allison told me like she doesn't want to go to alaska oh you're saying her sister only not allison correct what she would love alaska i feel like not that i've ever fucking been there well she's she's been before and she said it was her favorite place she's ever visited so she wants to go back and i was like oh well i'll be there and she was like oh that's interesting i don't know if it'll actually happen but but everybody is everybody that's been considering it at all even for a second i'm like this is gonna be a weird group of people it's gonna be fun yeah um anyway so if you want to catch me in alaska your best chance is in june 2027 june and june oh okay june and june oh exactly that's the theme now excellent i finally have a theme i was worried it's pretty good i would say so that's my b-day i i that's i you know what's so weird is because i just was doing hank's thing and i don't i don't know what's going on but this year it didn't even occur to me until like two days ago that's my birthday so i'm i feel ill prepared to even like celebrate happens when you have a child suddenly you're like oh wait i've misplaced my own self self concern worst thing i did was get a dog who um i plan on giving birthday parties too and it's the week before my birthday because now are you sure because i feel like it's almost like you can kind of like get people you're like see i throw a good party and then you can like amp it up and be like you're thinking that's now now you want to come because you're gonna have fun like if i did this for a dog imagine what i'm doing imagine and think about and do you think about how much the pup cups are weighing on you that you forgot these dumb i mean they are alcohol if you want to come so i will not for the dogs please don't do this again um with the chocolate and the alcohol be so careful oh your birthday ones my birthday ones yeah um okay well that that great great good job um you didn't ask but i'm drinking uh coffee bean today which it's tea but from a place that starts with coffee i really really really really really was confused i thought you were drinking coffee and i was like i'm actually leaving it's like getting tea from a tea house but it's tea from a coffee house gotcha whatever um whatever but she's really she's really getting me going today i took a sip and i went wow that's you will support some down your leg and my leg said let me lest we forget you said that was gonna be a good sip straight down the way it was gonna be a good sip and i watched her uncomfortable to watch and listen to anyway so that's i guess that's why i drink i was i was actually struggling on like why i drink this but i guess it's our birthday week fuck yeah happy birthday next year you'll be in alaska i love this i love this energy already excited and scared for my wallet because that's going to be an expensive d-day um oh one last thing we have to announce is that uh as our network parapods ever heard of it um we have started something that's so fun we did not come up with this by this was an eva megan jack concoction of sorts was this a jack concoction i think i think he uh so the name was a megan creation okay but the invention was just kind of like it just sort of came down from the heavens yeah so we've been doing a lot of um trying to collaborate with uh the podcast on our network and get their name out there we've also been on their shows and it's been very very fun to get to like chat with all these people um but we want to be able to put those in their own little space and and have what we're calling a club of sorts but christine i want you to say that say that all right we're introducing by parapods the brand new parasocial club okay it's so good and like we don't mean parasocial in like oh it's gotten way out of hand parasocial we mean parasocial like i want to be friends with that podcaster so let's have them on we're going to do a little breakout chat okay we're going to do breakout chats between all the different podcasts and you know there might be like true crime talk on between certain podcasters or if m wants to chat ghosts with somebody or movies with like that's pretty darker whatever it's just so fun to have like a new space where we can explore other topics and things and not like bog the feeds down themselves while also promoting the shows that we're super proud of that yes joined us but but also i mean you know we love a play on words and parasocial the parapods parasocial club are you kidding me gemini's like it all just really works i mean presented by parapods parasocial club it's just really fun and so m and i recorded some fun little intro like word vomiting when you hear it jack will have masterfully edited it to sound great but i promise um the rough cuts are us giggling through the whole thing because i literally was reading my own acting notes i was like get creative about this oh wait that's not a line so maybe it's in there maybe it's not well our first official big launch of the parasocial club will be on youtube it'll be on thursday june 11th um so go check it out and yes watch us chat on youtube and discover a new show that maybe you don't know of yet that that could be a new favorite to binge you don't know or just watch this chat like sometimes i mean i'm for sure gonna try and request to chat about um brave little toaster with that's pretty dark because i need i have a lot to get off my chest fair enough that's i would listen to that and uh you know like some true crime i've been dying to discuss with taylor who's also very like you know um up up on the news when it comes to true crime she and i text and voice memo about true crime but it would be cool to actually put that out there as content and stuff like i think the first episode the two of you do should just be a constant feed of all of your audio chats for the public oh we should just play them yeah that's actually a great idea and then you don't have to say anything you just sit there and hold your phone but then it'll be like oops spilled tea down my leg like or whatever the hell that was gonna be a good sip i was gonna be a good sit straight down the leg oh yeah yeah well um thank you for remembering that we're very excited about evo was like are you sure about parasocial club and we were like yep fuck it uh i think it's a fun name i love it uh i know it's kind of like parasocial has a bad rap but generally it's just a word it doesn't it's not inherently negative like i have parasocial relationships with all the podcasts i listen to because i'm like oh i mean hopefully they're not out of hand but you know the best part about having a podcast network is getting to work with all the people you do have some sort of like healthy parasocial relationship with anyway we can get to know each other outside of that yeah exactly so uh yeah welcome to the parasocial club it'll be starting soon on youtube and um we'll link it in the show notes well i ask i think every year so i'm just gonna end on this before we get into the story but for your b-day is there a cake flavor you're hoping for or dessert flavor because here's the thing this is a few days in advance blazel has a chance to get you exactly what you want if he hears this come out oh shit you're so right i gotta be so careful alison if chocolate covered strawberries aren't there i'll simply lose my mind oh we don't want that we don't want that um i'm thinking oh my gosh i'm feeling like a little carrot cake this year going back to my roots i think you said that last year too i don't think i got it last year interesting and now i think blaze is gonna be like yeah you did dumb bitch he's gonna be like i bought you six carrot cakes and you fucking no um he's he will get me exactly what i want he's a lovely lovely man he's nice enough he'll probably if he if you even think you didn't get it last year he'll probably just make you two he'll just be like he'll actually say you're right even if i wasn't right and then be like here are three more and i'll be like you're too good to me it's my favorite when they just say you're right it's my favorite it's my least favorite it makes me so mad oh really oh yeah i'm like fight me oh i'm like fucking fight me wow i'm like i just desperately i just desperately want to be seen and as soon as alison goes you're right i go fucking pause earth what are you talking about i need to hear it see i love that you said this because that's all i want to is that i want to be seen but then when someone says you're right i'm like you're just placating me and that's not seeing me that's not me i'm like you're just placating me and that's not seeing me that's not me that's just what if they actually think you're right well i don't believe you okay prove it all right like actually show me documentation of when your brain synapses decided this work harder exactly got it okay write it down put it on a pinboard i don't care show me the evidence show me the work show me your work i don't use a calculator you're using a calculator that's like under my lap right now you can't texas instruments my love oh now that is a fallout boy that is holy shit you know it's so crazy tell me i was just thinking i signed up for a poetry class and i was like what if i took a songwriting class i mean so here's the situation what if i taught a songwriting class i need you to lock the fuck in right now tick tock silly town is has departed we've departed silly town jokes out of the room i need you to know that you would be shockingly good and you would what would piss me the right the fuck off here's what would piss me off here's what would t-u-o it would it would freaking t-my-o t-me-o is that you would you you're one of those people where i think the less you tried the better like it would just naturally come like if you're trying just stop because you just say shit like oh you can't texas instrument my soul or some shit and all of a sudden that's incredible like don't even try like you should be you should do poetry where one night you try and one where you can't even try and one of those things is like that's like the graph and calculator of my to my heart yeah i mean i get it okay but like you know what also like what is it so good but i'm placated you see what i mean i need like real depth not texas instruments level depth wait i'm placating you are you no i'm placating myself i'm having a mental break oh my god i hope your therapist is on speed dial because like i i'm telling you there's that's not placating you're just like like lucky that like you just have a skill and you're like no no no i simply must you're just like lucky that like you just have a skill and you're like no no no i simply must be placating myself earlier i web md'd some of my symptoms and it said and it said kundalini awakening kunda what i started crying laughing oh it was like maybe you're having a kundalini awakening and i was like thanks quora did you gather information on what that means at all absolutely and i'm absolutely having one okay well you know what it sounds like quora was on on spot i know web md helped me zero it was like you're probably having an aneurysm and i was like that can't be right but kundalini awakening feels real sometimes quora or even throwback cha-cha would have been able to diagnose us immediately do you have any idea how many times i'm like you know fuck chat gbt i want cha-cha to tell me what's going on cha-cha help me do you want to know the scariest thing that ever happened on cha-cha this is a real story yeah okay here's here's two real stories the first one isn't scary the second one is i got custom nikes in high school i don't know why nobody knows why it was a waste of my money on the back i didn't know what to write and i came up with all these you know i was trying too hard as you suggested with the songwriting trying way too hard so i asked cha-cha which i write it's a jumbo shrimp and i went in done okay and you know that was a person who got paid a quarter to just pick something but they just like they nailed it and i was like great can you imagine if the person who was your cha-cha answerer that day is listening to this and found out just now that they were they jumbo shrimped your shoes the person i want to find is this person actually if we're going to find somebody from the cha-cha now that would be scary platform user server server side one day i asked cha-cha something very inane like i said i don't know like uh how many i'll find the there's a screenshot or whatever the early version of a screenshot was back then you're taking a picture with your camera of the computer screen 100 yeah it was a picture of my flip phone probably but i said how many degrees celsius is something in fahrenheit some conversion it responded stigmata is the and it gave the definition with blood pouring out of the where christ was nailed to the cross and i was like hey that's the shit i would call for sure that is the person where i'm like who are you and why would you do such a thing if you're getting paid a quarter to come up with answers for people you know someone and obviously we do because you just mentioned them someone is having the time of their life just giving you the wrong answer and now you have to text another person and you're like oh you're the other cha-cha person you gotta be i gotta be honest you've you fucked with me big time whoever you are so honestly actually in the comments if you worked for cha-cha or know someone to work for cha-cha i would kill to know what response so i applied to cha-cha and i got to like the final round and i i somehow didn't make it like i didn't make the cut but i got through the first couple rounds and it was very exciting and then the service like shut down but so that might be what happened but i was like really in it i was like i'm gonna be the newest i'm gonna be the newest cha-cha that's incredible how did we get here where am i what i truly don't know the the path we took i'm gonna call my mom to pick me up okay oh no i remember your songwriting or poetry writing or something oh right literally i'm gonna be i need you to know that like truly you have a gift and you need to just close your eyes and not think and just essentially automatic right shit like this calculator shit maybe channeling somebody maybe maybe it's pete wentz himself i don't know i'm just like i'm like tapping all his creative reserves followed by never releases an album again i uh oh oh my god i know this is the longest intro in the world but it's our birthday shut the fuck up um final question because everyone needs to know because last time you were going to update us how the hell did your little hi yako you're oh i i gotta be honest i am a walking bruise remember i'm now i'm now i'm a literal remember when i said i feel like a walking bruise well now i'm a literal so fuck me i guess because now i'm a walking bruise i literally from rolling around on the floor um but did you have fun my prediction was you'd have fun it's so fun see i fucking told you remember you're like oh i'm nervous and i went you're literally gonna be good at it shut up i've literally gone like six times now see no it's it's like it's like unwell and the episode came out yesterday where we brought it up so i'm super nervous because tomorrow is the women's class i'm like oh my god are people gonna come to the women's class after i mentioned it i don't know i mean at least i kind of have like six classes ahead of them to defend yourself i literally think to defend myself i was like at least i'll be prepared to show them the ropes you're like at least you'll be prepared to defend yourself at least you don't have a throat punch now right you think they're gonna attack me our listeners are like all right finally i know where she'll be so don't mess with her she's a brand new white belt everybody okay she has not a belt in sight don't worry she has not even a belt so wait you still you still have to earn a white belt i thought you just get handed a white belt i don't think you get that i mean i certainly did not so it may be one does but but christine does not that's entirely possible you're too powerful with this sure or yeah i like your perspective um there's a lot of rolling around on the floor so i'm learning about how to like actually do things like a roll like roll sideways so i'm fit i mean this is not i'm not gonna please don't come and punch me anybody because i'm she'll get you she's almost a white belt i'm just she'll get you look out i tried to tickle blaze he was like here this is how you do it and i was like then i would go tickle tickle and it didn't work and i was like what do you mean and he's like you can't just tickle me off of like that's not how and i was like i really thought that was gonna be like my secret weapon i want you to know that i wanted you to finish your sentence but what what what i just held in with all my might was bursting out laughing at you saying tickle tickle i think that was that would have i'm telling you if i ever attacked somebody and they tickled me i'd be like you fucking win get away from me he was like and gold to choke them and i was like tickle tickle and it didn't work and i'm really i thought like surely i would be my laughing i was like surely he'll let go um i don't know how you would save the day through comedy except i do and it's because you would defend the entire room by going tickle tickle and then i would go oh my god i have to get out of here and then i would get choked out and just lay unconscious on the floor and it would be really sad i what a what a what a what a i mean what a listen path we've taken anyway let's get back to you and your thing it's more more important not really i just want to hear all of your tactics you've learned so far with tickle tickle so what it has to work at least once at least what on someone who isn't expecting it it's like i've heard a few people in my day especially in high school i had some friends who like to fight and they one of them always said that his secret tactic was that if someone ever tried to like fight him he would be like oh my god i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna die he would just get naked immediately yeah yeah yeah yeah it's like just freak him out yeah totally you're just like you're just like fucking up their whole brain you're like it's just like catching them off guard when they least expect it i mean tickle tickle is is the equivalent to me imagine if you're naked and you say tickle tickle that would really bring me the christianity comes out with the judicial warrant i got his autograph finally and what are you doing in this prison cell how did you get in here we're both in prison but the coolest thing happened you'll never guess whose autograph i got today i truly and also why are you naked we have to tell a story christine i got a white belt we have to tell a story at some point okay i don't wanna right up top we would like to thank embark vet.com for supporting and that's why we drink if you go to embark vet.com you can save ten dollars on the breed and health test and get free shipping with promo code drink obviously i've talked before that i was able to figure out that hank is mainly um rottweiler and bernie's mountain he's also majorly cocker spaniel and then he's kind of an assortment of other things including german shepherd and chow and pomeranian 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shipping and save ten dollars on an embark breed and health test with promo code drink that's promo code drink to save ten dollars today here is well i found one for you because i was trying to find a because it's your birthday i was like i gotta do something that involves christine i know because i was like i've already typed in like i think one year i was like cases with where the character's name is christine we've covered all the easy bases i've done kentucky i've done ohio i like so we've made up stories about yeah exactly and so this year i was like i don't know 1991 yeah the year of the christian it's a good year and this is apparently one of the most famous paranormal cases in spain i did not i've never heard of it before but it happened in 1991 and this next to france i'm not next to france huh you said i've never heard about it before i said it's next to france you're so stupid do you know that yes okay the uh god fuck that was a real tickle i'm so sorry i did take my medication i did take my medication today i did i promise really threw me off there i'm sorry here we go spain which is next to france if anyone needed to know that um in 1999 there was a case in madrid and it was called the i think i'm saying it right but like fuck i already fucked up again by valekas valekas i would think vayekas because it's two l's but the guy who i just saw on youtube said valekas um but v-a-l-l-e-c-a-s case if you would like to look into it and the reason it's called that is because that's the city in madrid that this is called v-a-l-l-e-c-a-s case and it's called v-a-l-l-e-c-a-s case and it's called v-a-l-l-e-c-a-s case and it's called v-a-l-l-e-c-a-s case and it's called the city in madrid that this has a happened in and so we the main character today her name is estefania beautiful and again this is one of the most famous paranormal cases or parapsychological cases that's ever happened out there um so if you know it and let me know if i do it justice there every source seemed to have like kind of a different chronology of how things went and i was like oh well i'll go watch like a youtube about this but every single one is in spanish so i was like oh fuck me so um you tried i went and that's enough so estefania she's in high school at the time that this starts in 1990 1991 and estefania's friend uh she has a boyfriend the boyfriend passes away in a motorcycle accident and so what estefania and her friends decided they're gonna do is that they would like to use a ouija board and try to contact her boyfriend my god oh my god this is the most 90s story already holy shit and it starts quick i mean the first sentence is someone's dead i mean literally i mean wow okay um so we are now in the school's bathroom that's where they decided to do the ouija board session this is this literally is 1991 in a nutshell this feels like something sabrina the teenage witch would do it's like this is what i wish i had been doing in my life at that time to the bathroom i would never think to do a ouija board in a space where like people are notoriously going to be in the bathroom and they're not going to be in the in and out and they could be like teachers and you're probably skipping class i mean that's exactly where you would do it isn't it though like i like to imagine like one bathroom like kind of grunge 90s kids with like cigarettes doing it though totally like hiding the cigarettes in the stall i don't know what people did i remember i was straight edge against my will and also for my will um i yeah i think like i've heard a few stories on jim harold and other places where people say they did like um especially in europe there i've heard a couple where they hang out in the bathrooms and do like an ouija board i don't know nefarious activities if that's like uh just a weird pattern or what but well they were all in the bathroom together i don't know how many people were there but i know that her sister according to one source was also in there like guarding the door yeah you've got to have a door you've got to have a door guard well you got to have a good one and the sister wasn't because the teacher walks right in oh my gosh and which i don't know what her name was but in my mind it's like tiffany like what do you like come on you know you're the worst guard ever you never allowed back well okay also only one source mentioned this which i feel like is important so if it's true this is like this makes the story so much juicier is that this is a catholic school and the teacher was a nun who walks in and sees all these kids doing a ouija board session i mean as someone who went to a catholic school yeah that is basically how it was you would be like sneaking very non-religious things and a literal nun would be like what the fuck yeah yeah so she walks in she sees a bunch of children in a ouija board she grabs the board and the planchette away from them which if you've ever played ouija the you know the whole rule is like you have to close up the circle you have to say goodbye but um that didn't happen because the nun stole the board and not only that but broke the board in front of them like which you might as well it's like lighted on fire in the middle of a session or something you might as well just summon the devil himself i don't know if she broke the board or the planchette i think the board would certainly be easier to break with your bare hands quickly so i'm gonna go with board but also more of an effect yeah crack over the knee um and so when she broke it though all the girls in the circle said that the board uh all of a sudden started emitting this thick white smoke it started pouring out of the board and estefania breathed a lot of it in she breathed in the ghosts she breathed in some spooky stuff oh um after this this is when estefania started experiencing some serious medical issues at home oh no including a series of extreme seizures where she would be foaming at the mouth i mean it like it does not seem good as stefania's family tried taking her to doctors um presumably for an epilepsy diagnosis but doctors could not determine a solid diagnosis i will say in 2026 a reason for why she probably didn't get diagnosis because epilepsy can be really hard to diagnose although i feel like if you're getting seizures that intensely like they must have an idea of what's going on but maybe not in 91 but on top of the convulsions as stefania also started uh seeing dark figures following her that nobody else could see so now she's also having hallucinations oh god and finally as stefania began having some outbursts where she became violent with the family she would start like biting the the siblings and barking um allegedly not remembering any of it after the fact this sounds like rabies it does something's going on i mean the foaming at the mouth even yeah i i don't i've i've seen people have seizures but never a foaming at the mouth situation i don't know if that's common i don't think it is i don't know no i have no i have no idea um altogether these issues uh that she was having only appearing after a seance where a ouija board was broken and then the other kids claimed that they saw her breathing in this white smoke that came from it it all led to people thinking stefania is clearly obviously possessed couldn't be a mental health situation whatever also reminder that she apparently went to a catholic school and this was during the 80s 90s satanic panic so i mean it makes sense to me why a thought would be demons oh yeah well and it's look at the like the nun that cracked a ouija board and i mean it's the start of a horror movie i know and i mean i don't know if any of that is actually true but it is certainly a big part of the story now but i mean imagine being a kid saying i was in a i did a ouija board session and the nun came in and broke it in half you know the story spiraled until like yeah i mean it's a great story so um so her symptoms did not go away in fact they actually got worse so not only is she having these intense seizures she's hallucinating she's now having insomnia her voice is changing sometimes um and the dark figures are getting more intense eventually she would tell people that these figures were walking through the family home they had no face and they would tell her to come with them oh my god yuck yuck well one night presumably after these um figures are kind of luring her over to the other side estefania has a very intense hostile moment with her sister the one who i think was at the seance attacks her sister i guess knocks her sister out um and the whole time this is happening estefania is again foaming at the mouth passes out falls into a coma oh my gosh is brought to the hospital and within 24 hours passes away oh my god what yeah um and she was only 18 or 19 at that point which also means they were dealing with these issues for like over a year because now if she's 19 she's not in high school anymore um whoa oh my god so there was no official diagnosis on you why she passed they just kind of deemed it a suspicious death because she was physically a healthy 18 year old kid and but i mean i also can see like well someone had a seizure so intense they fell into a fucking coma that's a pretty good yeah i mean it sounds like something was obviously very wrong i'm no doctor but i would throw that in the ringer as an option of what happened here um and unfortunately her death would not be the end of all the situations going on in the future so i'm not sure if that's true or not i'm not sure if that's true or not because the family was now experiencing some very creepy activity that estefania had been talking about that she claimed to be able to see oh my god so like your first of all you spent the last year maybe two years with a daughter who was sick child at least sick like if she wasn't possessed she was struggling clearly ill yeah um and then it didn't seem like i don't know what the situation was but she was struggling she was struggling she was struggling she was struggling she was struggling to get medical help but it sounds like no one was really the hospitals didn't seem to be advocating for her to find a diagnosis or they just couldn't find or they couldn't find one um so she's struggling in that way too of like not knowing what her situation is now you're grieving that person who was your baby um and now your house is also haunted oh my god oh my god yeah big year for them and not in a good way um the family felt something often grabbing them or sitting on them while they were sleeping they would feel something try to drag them when they were in bed one of the kids woke up in the middle of the night to her wrist being slammed into the wall as if someone was trying to hold her down forcefully um the family would see their doors slamming open and shut appliances would turn on and off by themselves objects would move on their own they would hear knocking banging noises coming from inside the walls but they can never locate the actual source it seemed to move on its own glasses would break on their own they heard a man laughing in their rooms and they even started hearing estefania herself screaming oh god i can't imagine the torment oh my god one time the mother heard knocking in estefania's old room and she went in and quote all the belongings in the room had been scattered around it's like everything's just getting thrown around other items that would family dog and one time even one of the other kids just getting thrown in the house um another time this like impossible gust of wind flew through the front door like broke the the doors lock and flew the door open and it quote scattered their furniture everywhere it's like a hurricane came fucking through yeah like your own mini tornado and i think this is one source that put these two pieces together um in that big windstorm or whatever the hell happened one of the items that flew off the wall was a framed picture of estefania and when they looked at the picture the face had been burned away ah what the frame was fine the glass was fine the outer parts of the picture were fine but her face was missing just like how she said all those figures were missing faces yuck yuck yuck um they also speaking of things that she said she had seen they're now seeing apparitions walking through the halls just like how she said she's seen dark figures walking around one sister actually described these figures as quote glued to the floor dragging itself towards them hey hey now that's not super good for me like you like you're scary enough just being there you don't have to do anything big you don't need to be so dramatic about it really like you don't have to show out like we are already scared the dragging towards us and we know you can move faster than that so like you're just this is for show give me a break they also started seeing what looked like an older man walking around in the house oh great and remember they heard a man laughing earlier in random rooms and they would also hear an older man his voice speaking to nobody what was he saying i think they just kind of heard like a voice muttering i don't know if they really heard anything specific but um this had them wondering if the entity here maybe a stefania was there but they thought another entity might be their grandfather who allegedly hated the family oh and according to one source cursed them on his deathbed well that seems maybe relevant if if that happened i would certainly put him in as a suspect yeah i would say he's on the list he apparently said something to the next one why even first of all why are you even at that fucking hospital to hear him say that if he's on his deathbed why are you good point if a man if he's gonna say that don't go i don't know that's what you know what that's gonna be my new jujitsu tactic i'm gonna say that as i'm getting like well i guess i'll be getting choked out in between or after the tickle tickle i'll go tickle tickle if i can't hurt you in this life i'll hurt you in the next and then and then i'm out and then you know what they're fucking haunted they're fucking haunted they're fucking haunted they're fucking haunted and they they're cursed by their own fear i've instilled the ultimate fear so i feel like in um like i don't know the acronyms wwe or whatever like were they all like while the boys dress in like what's obviously costumes and play pretend that they're fighting the one the one with the right where they're like we're manly and i'm like okay um this i feel like your theme it would be incredible if you had a themed outfit when you're fighting these your people but you're dressed as planchette or you wear like wood grain like a ouija board because then your cut your catchphrase could be like i'll get you in the next life you know because you're gonna die but like as a ghost then i'll spell it out on a ouija board your calling card would just be you spelling it for them i'll just roll hang on i'll be like there's a space here So it's just an extra pause. oh you know it would be really good so that's how that's how you start them that's your intimidation tactic before the fight even begins then the fight happens and right when they think they're winning the board should again i imagine this on the jumbotron you have the Ouija board spelling so everyone else can see what's happening so you're slowly blacking out and then on the jumbotron a Ouija board spells out tickle tickle and then you come back and you win you know it's so possible i believe in you what could go wrong and then they're like who is this lady in a costume like she's not even a white belt to get her out of here well you can do a costume change at the end and be a ghost and now naked and then you realize you've been wrestling chris hansen all alone he's like i'm not yeah prison prison straight to prison m's already waiting we are so funny okay so i i feel like gemini season is the best don't you guys agree i like wherever the stars are i'm manic for sure like something's happening anyway i'm surely activated i can tell you that much activated is a great way to put it not like like cosmologically unwell like cosmologically activated should she say that about the kisses is that weird she doesn't care she prays to send this is the love story of real hinge couple daniel and roisin written and read by me rufy thorpe listen to the free audiobook now okay oh by the way my my i have this thing on my phone where i get a word every hour like a vocabulary word and um i can hear you laughing like what are you talking about like a word a day but i get a word an hour a word an hour why are you laughing like what are you talking about why okay sorry i'm trying to learn 24 words a day okay what's your what's your news word but then after this you're gonna have to learn four words it just feels like a lot one of them was cyclothymic and it i i i that sometimes feels a little like how i'm how my brain feels it does it what does it mean can you teach me i'm trying to go back into the the thing to cyclothymic uh let me see what was the definition oh wait i think they gave me the wrong definition because this one says a rare chronic mood disorder never mind never mind never mind jack i thought out wait a minute were you diagnosing me under the can you imagine it's recording me and it's like oh i've got just the thing it's not a kundalini awakening it's cyclothymia i swear to god i have to go find it in my stupid app now but it was it said like oh i've got just the thing it's not a kundalini awakening it's cyclothymia when you're like feeling like a really heightened like like excitement and like jazz about or or you have like little lows oh wait oh a mild chronic form of bipolar oh yeah that's relevant to the conversation well i do feel an intense sometimes an intense high and intense hey question is the app actually called a web md and you're just misreading it's stupid it's like like the last one i just got is do you know which one of these words is a synonym of of enophile no i don't i don't even know what enophile is no is this another mood disorder oh here here are the options an enophile wine buff oh paraminomasia or loquacity hold on let me look at the word wine no no try loquacity oh i could be wrong it was wine buff yeah you're so much smarter than me so i guess you uh are in an enophile or you've been i'm a fucking idiot is what i am anyway sorry i didn't mean to like say that like oh look at me like i need to make like light of that i thought the i obviously need to pay attention to my vocabulary better before i just start saying words i love word apps don't worry i clearly need more of them to learn what an enophile is but anyway i've been feeling uh this gemini season i have been feeling uh like a higher high uh like a i'm on a a whole other level i'm feeling good yeah we're manic it's what's called it's okay it's romantic i said it's called manic but yeah also romantic i i feel like i'm microdosing mania just a little bit but you know what now talk about fallout boy lyrics microdosing mania are we shitting ourselves right now come on whatever maybe it's just because i finally don't feel like a fucking bruise i think maybe i'm just like i don't know i'm just like i'm on a normal level of happy currently write all of that down that's a fall boy song microdosing mania because i finally don't feel like a bruise yeah it's just really it writes itself you're really you're channeling right now apologies if any of that was offensive i was not trying to cause a thing i i just need to read my vocabulary words before i start using them okay anyway where were we these i don't know i know the if i can't harm you in this life i'll do it in the next one my new jujitsu move yes yes yes so i'm gonna spell it out on a this uh so this guy he was not dressed as a planchette perchance but he was the grandfather who allegedly cursed them on their deathbed and he might be the man that they keep hearing and seeing throughout the house yeah just might just might um and there was actually they the family had a few mediums and psychics coming in during all of this because they're like what do we do with this activity and one medium came in and said without knowing anything that they thought the grandfather was haunting them and that estefania was also in the home trying to stop him from hurting them and they thought that the grandfather was haunting them and that he was hurting the family and so what they were witnessing was almost like this battle between like estefania protecting them and grandpa like overtaking the situation um there was even a battle for good and evil oh my god that's crazy there was even a female evp of like a female voice caught on evp that um said beware of grandfather essentially gasp after living like this for months for months like i think like nearing a year um one night i was like oh my god i'm gonna die the activity gets even worse the mother of estefania i think her name was conception never hear that name anymore um she said that she felt something in her room told her husband said something's here and then felt something grab her hands and feet and the fact that like it happened after you said something's here means like yeah it's like they wanted to be like oh you got me yeah it's like time to move oh oh oh oh oh they then felt and saw a shadow staring at them from down the hall which like i can't imagine um and crucifixes literally on the wall began rotating upside down no like out of a fucking movie something grabs you you see something staring at you from the end of the hall and the crucifixes between the two of you start twisting yeah one source said they didn't actually uh uh well mainly um in most stories that i i read about this they said that the family was so scared and scared about this that they called the police one source said that they didn't call the police but neighbors actually called complaining about loud pounding coming from the family's walls oh either one is bad either is bad but when the police got there the family was literally waiting outside in the rain they were like we don't want to be there anymore fuck there were a few officers i think it was three or four officers who went in and the case was being handled by inspector negri negri n-e-g-r-i so they go in and they investigate and they heard the family telling them like we think there's a ghost we think there's a ghost can you be a cop imagine being a cop and like you literally go to a house and they're like oh no nothing to see here except i think there's a ghost in there like what would you do i i'd be like i don't handle ghosts what do what am i supposed to do i'd be like finally an interesting day on the job maybe yeah or i'd be like oh at least someone's not gonna like hurt me well i don't know maybe yeah i think i would be like oh there's probably either someone in the house or maybe there's like a carbon monoxide leak you know right or like i mean if i knew that they were going through something so traumatic maybe i'd be like oh it's grief does funny things you know like if they'd lost their daughter and you know so i don't know i don't know i um i agree with you i think i think i would also not to placate you but you're right christine well i was like i realized i was like oh i just said you're right basically but i don't want to you know i do i totally agree that i think my first thought would be i think you are getting carbon monoxide poisoning or yeah something you're dealing with a mental health issue right because it's it's like yeah it's just a strange occurrence even though i believe in ghosts i would almost hope that what was happening is you were having because i don't i don't want the answer to be oh it's for sure ghosts there's a demonic civil war happening in your home like that's not really where i would go straight away now the reason that this case is so popular in spain is because that this was the first time at least there that a police report a an official police report documented documented unexplained activity oh okay a lot of people say like this is the first and maybe the only case in spain where police reports um say like the cause of the issue is something paranormal that is not true the technical situation that they wrote down was that there was phenomena that's a good word but they they never actually say what they observed was paranormal they keep it very vague but people have kind of enough for me yeah people have twisted it into like this is a case where like the police determined it was ghosts um but these here are some events that are actually from the report and this is translated so i i don't know how accurate all of it is but from what we know the the officers all went into the bathroom which the family said was the most haunted area of the house and they felt a severe temperature drop that none of them had experienced before they went through the rest of the house and felt a weird presence some of them said that they felt sick which you might be right might be carbon monoxide poisoning um they heard pounding throughout the home but nobody was there to make a noise the one of the cupboard doors flew open and almost hit a cop in the face oh well they saw an odd like i guess he ducked in time they saw an odd stain appear on a tablecloth before their very eyes they saw a cross rip itself off the wall and then three scratch marks appeared where the cross was this is a quote that their observations were recorded stamped and filed by the inspector who has never redacted their statements and has confirmed the validity of this report so they're not saying this is for sure paranormal but they have put it in a report with or without a known cause saying this is what happens and we're not we're not taking it back what we said okay so although the police were there and did make a report and did witness some things that they can't explain there was nothing they could do their cops right so they yeah that would suck if the police came out and said yep it is haunted anyway have a good night like what what the fuck what do you can do what can you do so they left and um but they wrote a report okay and the family very quickly moved out basically they were like well our only way of getting help came yeah yeah we've had mediums here and they've said something's going on so we're gone and when they left they had no other paranormal experiences happen and new families who moved into the house haven't had any activity but um some investigators have gone in in between people living there and claim to get activity i don't really know what that is there's apparently a ghost hunting show in spain that has covered this house and i tried to watch it but it was in what first of all it's in spanish second of all the only place that i could watch it my computer wasn't letting me i think i need to update something but it's like you can't actually watch this it was like an error so i don't i don't know you need a new flash plug-in i know um anyway i like to think they're the spain um we do have to watch that at some point that sounds delightful but they said that they caught something i don't i didn't see it so i can't tell you but since this case it's been speculated obviously if the family really experienced anything paranormal or if their daughter was just suffering and then they were grieving or maybe they were just exaggerating the story in some way the siblings have obviously gotten older and some of them have suggested that the situation was definitely exaggerated and their sister was not possessed wow okay the mother though seems to have maintained that the story is true but she's also had her own separate psych eval and apparently it quote showed emotional instability anxiety and need for attention that makes people think that she was making up this story first of all that feels really rude um like so rude i was like i feel weird saying this out loud yeah it feels gross uh yeah your daughter's dead sorry she's fucking trying but whatever i mean yeah i wonder i wonder if it was just like a bad translation and it's just like it could be and also like i don't know her i really don't so why do i i don't know anything but it um it i would imagine too i think i saw one source so like the mother was also had had some mental health stuff or was maybe suffering and hadn't had that looked at and so maybe it was two generations of people who were hurting and didn't know um i'm not totally sure but it sounds like people have reason to question so that being said the police did seem to observe activity in the house that lined up with what the family seemed to witness so like it it is interesting that even if this was all quote made up then how come like on a police report where people are not willing to redact their statements if it were exaggerated then why would the police be part of that exactly like they clearly saw something and it did line up with what others had seen so and if they've like since confirmed it's not a hoax document or something yeah so it's um it's wow eerie and they didn't know what was uh like you just said they didn't know what was going on but they still had similar experiences so maybe some of it's true my last bullet point is just to say in 2017 a horror movie came out called veronica which is loosely based on the case and i guess it also has a prequel called sister death yikes oh oh is that the nun oh because i thought the sister but then i thought oh wait that's the nun and then i thought you call a nun like yeah maybe i didn't watch them um but in case you wanted to watch movies and then have a fun fact about them you can tell them if it's based on this case so yeah um anyway that is the case of estefania and wow that is a startling story i feel like that's the kind of thing that would would have made me avoid a ouija board as a kid like that's the kind of thing that will do it for me that's scary yeah yeah so hopefully it uh hopefully i did it justice i was really working off of whatever english sources i could find so yeah i wonder has anybody ever thought to theorize i mean maybe this is a stretch but thought to theorize about whether the board had some like i mean i don't know what that would be asbestos or fiber something fiberglass like in it that like she inhaled and maybe it was i mean i don't know maybe that's stretch i don't know i mean i'm with you i also wonder like first of all i wonder if she broke the board did anything even come out or were these teenagers that just like wanted to like end it with a spooky ending or maybe she broke it and like dust came off of it like it was like cardboard or who knows what it was made of and they just turned it into like no it was this like thick white smoke versus like dust smoke um or it could have been like whatever they use to make the material of a ouija board it could have been toxic i don't know yeah it's weird i don't know i don't even know if that part is true it could have just been like oh i heard that she's used a ouija board and now she's possessed wow well i guess it's um that's how stories get told uh good job good job covering it though thank you yeah well happy birthday i was i was trying to find something somewhat connected to you in 1991 ouija board story in the girl's bathroom i mean i think that's probably pretty of a cat i mean sister death are we kidding like i didn't like what you said odin pauses about the future this is the love story of real life hinge couple odin and edward written and read by me curtis garner listen to the free audiobook now with share my trip from uber you can send your live trip location to the ones who matter most like dan and hannah who always wait up to make sure their daughter gets back to her 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where we talked about i don't even know how we got here but this was a request we there's a request one of us made that like you said i would love for you to look more into astrology as like a topic for the show and i thought well next week's our birthday episode um i'll look in to see if anybody's done any research on this and there have been a few not enough to do an episode so i only have like a little intro bit however it's fascinating and uh i was doing some digging i found a couple articles that claim to have done the research and then i found somebody on reddit who really did the fucking research and had the receipts and i went okay no more of the memes i guess because ironically it was in our astrology memes but this person put like all their research uh so crimeandinvestigation.co.uk um which zodiac symbol has the most killers um do you have any guesses here because i feel like this is the exact kind of thing that's gonna um stir up opinions and i wonder if you have any opinions before i bias you in any way on like if you were to and listen judgment out of the room we're just it's we're just playing folks where this is all alleged nobody's calling you a serial killer but um if you had to pick a star sign that was most likely in your mind serial killer energy which one would it be probably the gag would be gemini wouldn't it so the gag would be i thought you were gonna say scorpio i mean that's too easy i mean obviously people i i already scorpios scare me but they don't scare me in a serial killer way they scare me in a i'm i'm uneasy and I don't know why way, but I feel the same way about i've said this before tauruses they freak me out oh me too me too um they intimidate me tauruses i i mean i've met people who are scorpios and we're fine like i can actually i think some people truly think i can't sit in a room with a fucking scorpio like i like really fucking hate scorpios no i'm just i can't i don't even really want to like it's a bit i mean it's a bit i really don't even want to have to like play pretend and defend myself on that scorpios are very deep and so you're, you're making a joke with people who are very deep and you're troubling them. I guess so. Or maybe it's been too long. You're poking a scorpion. Em, like think about what you're doing. You're poking at a scorpion and saying, I don't know what your problem is. Like that's what you're doing. Uh, no, I, I, uh, Scorpios freak me out. And, uh, they like that. They want that. I guess until I say it enough times and they go, don't be mean. And I'm like, here's what I'll say. You've said, I hate Scorpios. You've never said they freak me out. I think those are important distinctions. And as a Mercury and Taurus, which we famously know, I don't know what it means, but I've decided it means you got to be very clear with your words. So if you're trying to say they scare you, I think we can all agree on that. And I think they would almost be more pleased than anything. You, I, Scorpios make me very nervous. Cause I don't know what the fuck you're thinking. They're so deep. I guess. I, I don't, not that I've ever thought like, Oh, they're not deep. I just, I don't know what it is. I can't put, I can't read you. And I hate that. That's their whole thing. And, um, and, and Tauruses, I freak me out in a different way because they're very, very blunt a lot of times to a point where they are not worried about hurting your feelings. And I feel like I do a lot of like, um, do you want to know something? I feel like in a lot of like conflict, I like to almost like be honest, but still like gentle parent through it. And Tauruses are like, and they just say it. And I go, Oh my God. I think that's where my Missy Mercurian Taurus communication in Taurus. That's startling. It is. Cause I'm like, Oh, we're not like both trying to like be warm about this. Like, well, it's interesting you say that. I just, uh, I just hired a trainer to help me with some literally like how to breathe and stuff like that. And like public stuff. And she's like helping me with, I really like it. It's really cool. Like doing some strength training and like rehab stuff. And she's a Taurus. And of course I found that out immediately. And then, um, one of the first things she said to me, she was like, Oh, I don't want to be a Taurus. I don't want to be a Taurus. She says, that sounds like something for your therapist's office. Yeah. Like they're like, it's see, okay. So here's my thing. And I was like, why? This is why I hate you. You scare me. Yeah. That's exactly. That's a perfect example. One of my, um, things, and I, this is like a gem. And I think this is just like, however I operate thing is that the number one quality I look for in a person is like warmth. That's your cancer moon. Okay. I, I, to me, like, it's just like, there's, if I'm at a party, I will walk away, have like feeling weird about somebody where I'm like, I don't know. That's probably also your psychicness. Sure. It could be, it could be that I'm psychic. I don't know. But anytime I meet somebody and they're not at least attempting warmth, I'm like, shouldn't we both, even if it's like, feels a little like we're doing a dance while we get to know each other, it's like, shouldn't we both be putting an effort to like make each other feel comfortable? But I feel like there's a lot of people who for, for whatever reason they have, I'm not saying it's a bad reason, but a lot of people are like, I don't owe you that yet. Like, and people are just like a little more. Cold. I read it as cold. And then I want really, I'm like, so it's so interesting because I used to be, cause I feel like that's a lot of also masking. And like, if you meet someone masking at your level, it's like, okay, we're both on the same wavelength. And I feel like that's something I've also been picking up on is like, as I draw, like stop masking so much, I almost sense discomfort sometimes in other people. And it's like, Oh, I have had to just learn to like live with that or like to like feel that. Because sometimes I'm like, I don't, I talk like I'm, it's too draining to be masking right now. Or, you know what I mean? But it's like, it's interesting you say that. Cause it's like, Oh, I, cause I, I was always in the same level. Like I'm uncomfortable if you're, and you know, it's so funny is my, is the trainer said that. And I was like three years ago, I would have gotten so spun out by that comment. And like, now I'm like, Oh, whatever. She just said something. And like, it's probably true. And I was probably over. Well, that's one of the things that freaks me out too. Cause like I said, it could be for whatever reason. I'm sure people like you have good reason to like, not. I wouldn't, I wouldn't have thought about it as masking until you just said that. But yeah, I like, I don't put it on anybody that like you should be this way, but the way that I'm coming across, I just hope people are totally. Yeah. It just, we just, we just don't met it. Like it's no, like I don't hate them later or I don't like crash out about it and think like, I can't believe they were this way. I just think like, Oh, we operate differently. And I just drawn to a little bit of that. And I think that's, I think that's one of the things that is so true. Like, I don't feel like talking to you. I'm like, great. Me neither. Bye. Like, I don't want to talk to you. If you don't want to talk to me. So yeah, I totally understand that. I think the thing with Taurus is specifically is that like they, anytime they have been like direct, they've never been wrong. Like they, like, that's what freaks me out too. Is that like, that's so true. It's like the accountability part. Yeah. They're direct. And it, that alone freaks me out because I'm like, they're a warmer, nicer ways to have fun. And I think that's, I think that's, I think that's where like, you're putting people more at ease. Although like, I shouldn't expect that that's something people want to put on their own shoulders, but at the same time, what they're saying is so fucking true that I'm like, could you at least be a little kind? Cause you're calling me out and kind of in a mean way. Well, you can't control your own. I mean, whether you understand it on an intellectual level, which I've had to learn as an airhead all this time, but like, yeah, even though you understand like, Oh, I shouldn't expect, it's like, you can't control how your nervous system reacts or how you're comfortable or how you're feeling. And I think exactly. So I just, I respect a Taurus, but I fear them because I know they're going to say something and not be, I love that. It's so true that they're, that they're, um, I have, they're right. I mean, I have a lot of Taurus friends, but I am scared of ever like being vulnerable around them because they're just, and like, sometimes you need a friend who's just going to call you out on your bullshit. Like, I'm not saying like Tauruses are bad because of this. I'm just saying you guys freak me the fuck out because sometimes I just want like a gentle landing space and a Taurus is not often that. Well, maybe they are if they're like work on themselves, which I feel like Gemini often get serious. Cause I feel like Gemini often get cast as like these like totally flaky, like insincere, like fake people. And I was like, I think maybe on a surface level, that could be somebody who like Donald Trump is a Gemini. We're going to get into this today. Uh, speaking of villains. Okay. So like, you know, there are some very terrible aspects like of Gemini as well. And we get a lot of shit for it, rightfully so. But you get, there's so much strength there too. And if you use your powers for good or you work on yourself and you're like, Oh, this is something like I can form and like, you know, have fun with rather than, I don't know. I think it depends, but you're, you're right. I feel like, um, Taurus can get a little intense. I don't really know many. And then I got a personal trainer and I went, Oh my God, astrology is real. Taurus is actually one of the only people that I confidently accurately always guess when I meet somebody. Like it's actually scary. I'm like, are you a Taurus? And I can't do that with any other sign, but I always know when I'm talking to a Taurus. I said to her, are you a, she said, I'm a Taurus. And I went, yeah, I can tell. And then she said, and I'm a Scorpio moon. And I went, Oh my God, I don't think so. And then like the kill bill music plays and there's sirens everywhere. I, um, no, I, I, I know I just like went on a whole tirade. Hopefully like no Tauruses feel attacked or anything. I just like, we just, I think it's when you said, but they're always right. That again, like as long as I'm, you're using your words so carefully to say, uh, uh, Scorpios don't like them because they scare me. I think now we can all come to an agreement that yes, that is true. They, they freak me out. I mean, and like, I'm, I'm sure you're lovely people. I know lovely Tauruses, but I, you, your exterior is a little tougher than others. And, um, it's, it frightens me because I know what you're going to say is going to humble me. And I don't really feel like being humbled. Like that said, it's not from, not today. And like, that's why when I hired a personal trainer, I was like, I'm here to be humbled and you're doing your job. And like, it's like, you're in the perfect spot, you know, like I get it. I get it. And I said, you know, my Mercury consultants, cause they'd be like, this is what the fuck's the matter. Fix it here. Do this. Oh, and she is a consultant and she's literally does. And she has a button on the wall that says, I hate fun. And she says, I press this button when it's time to be quiet. And I said, okay. Wow. See that would roll shit out of me. It was hilarious because then I said, so how was your weekend? And I was like, Oh, and like, I literally caught myself. I went, damn, I really can't shut up. Like I really can't shut up. And so she was like, I hate fun. And I was like, Oh my God. She's like, yes, someone gave this to me. And she's like, I'm not offended. I actually, the more we talk about this, the more that you are very Taurus and that you're like the don't play came because I think what, uh, one of the many reasons that Gemini's get accurate bad raps is that like we come across as fake. But I really don't think of it as fake. I think I'm like, I'm desperately trying to make sure that everyone feels comfortable in this and therefore it feels like being placated. Yes. And it's sort of like, I don't have fucking time for this. Just tell me what's going on. And I'm like, well, I'm trying to keep you comfortable. I think it's also like, no, I think Taurus is also like, you don't need to keep me comfortable. Yeah. And that is just a, I just, we can't understand each other. But now I'm like at a place where I'm like, I don't need anyone else to make me comfortable, you know? But that came with many years of discomfort and learning to sit there and go, oh, this is a really uncomfortable moment. And I guess I didn't die. Um, So, yeah, once your nervous system realizes you're not going to die every time something's, like, uncomfortable or scary, you sort of, like, I don't know, let your guard down, I guess. And things just seem less scary. Yeah. It's like, oh, you can say that. And, like, I don't know. And then I saw her later in the day, and she was so sweet. And she had her daughter there. And, like, you know, I was just, like, I was, like, I love it. I don't know. I probably would have spun out and, like, never seen her again a few years ago because I would have been, like, so insecure or whatever. And now I'm, like, whatever. She just said something stupid and, like, funny. I feel like we've either gained or lost all of our Taurus listeners through this. It was, like, a 10-minute tirade specifically about Taurus. But whatever. I mean, of all things, too, because it's funny. Like, we're literally here to talk about Geminis. So was that the answer, that Gemini are the main serial killers? So Geminis are usually cast in that role in the memes and in the kind of, like, pop culture. Ted Bundy is a Gemini. Donald Trump is a Gemini. We've got a lot of Gemini. Samuel Little. There are a lot of Gemini serial killers. Like, it's not cute. Okay? Okay. Got it. But this website, CrimeAndInvestigation.co.uk, they did their own running of the numbers, and they landed on number one being Scorpio. Well, I told you so. Number two, Gemini. Maybe that's why they freak me out because I'm, like, we're a little too similar. Well, you're very similar, and they're very deep. So they're, like, come with me. They're scorpions. Like, they're under rocks. Like, they like to be in the dark, and they like shadow work, and they like to be, and, like, we don't like that. We like to be up here. We like to be having fun. Like, I can't shut up. All the information is at your disposal. Like, what do you mean you're not matching me here and telling me everything? I'm here, and they're underground going, like, you can't hurt me. Yeah, it's really interesting. I love it. I find it so interesting. So, okay, Scorpio, they said, was number one. And they did. Some roundup of serial killers. 17 was the total for Scorpio. Gemini and Sagittarius tied with 14 each. Okay. Virgo and Libra, very Virgo and Libra coded to tie at 13 each. Aries, Cancer, Capricorn, 11. Pisces, 10. Taurus, 9. Leo and Aquarius, 6. So that. Interesting. I could see why Taurus is closer to the bottom because they get all their shit directly out there anyway. They don't got to kill you. They just say. They don't. Exactly. That's why. They kill your spirit a little bit. But when they're a little too tough on love. Yeah, they're straightforward. But part of that is so interesting, right? Because it's like, oh, but then they're less toxic because they're not keeping all that shit in there. Yeah. They certainly seem to have healthier boundaries. Yeah. Okay. So then from our astrology memes, and even though, by the way, Aquarius was down at the bottom with Leo, Aquarius, I think, was the most often cited cult leader. Interesting. Which fits totally because Aquarians are very like, you know, kind of like off the beaten path. Like their whole thing is like they're different, right? Yeah. And they see the world differently. And so that kind of did. And they're a lot of fun. I would I would absolutely follow. I'm more likely to end up in a cult if the leader's fun. Yeah. I think most people probably agree. Serial killers by Zodiac sign. Now, this is from our astrology memes, the subreddit, which take it. It's not this is not a joke. This person is very serious about their sources. They put their sources. They even wrote a note down here at the bottom of their graphics that says note includes individual known or confirmed serial killers, including those who are not convicted, exclude serial killers who remain unidentified, such as the Atlanta Ripper and the Zodiac killer for whom birthdays are not known and who killed in pairs or groups. So they were like, I didn't fuck around. Yeah. I love this energy. I should be on J store dot org or something. Yeah. Oh, my God. You're. Oh, wow. Oh, it feels like an abstract. Feels like a for a paper. It does feel like an abstract. And so they made this beautiful graphic serial killers by Zodiac signs. Now, this is going to turn everything fucking topsy turvy. Not everything. The Taurus is you're still completely at the bottom. OK. Fewest of you are serial killers. We get it. OK. Taurus 27. Guess who's tied with Taurus? Gemini. OK. Interesting. Now, this person was trying to put to bed a lot of the flack that gets thrown around toward the signs, including Gemini, including Saj. Unfortunately, Saj maintained its spot at the top of the list and Gemini went all the way down. So I don't know. You know, I feel like if you're going to write something like this, I feel like this should be a law and everybody hear me out. This is this is a take that I don't think is particularly hot. I think that if you are someone. Who is writing about astrology in a way where you're using stats like this or an opinion might come out that you have like it's a it becomes personal in some way. I think you are obligated to tell everybody the sign of the author. I'm so happy you said that because they gave the sign. And this is Libra because they seem like they're really trying to find balance. I love that. They're actually a Sagittarius. And they said, this is how, you know, I'm doing this because I want accurate information, even though Sag is. At the top of the list and I'm a Sagittarius and I didn't like that I was at the top of the serial killer. I like how they're like, but see how I could have channeled my energy somewhere else in a really bad way. Yeah. But see how much worse this could have been. You're welcome for this, by the way. Yeah. And so what's interesting is that like they're spread out very evenly near the top. So we've got 20. So at the bottom, we've got Gemini and Taurus tied with 27. Now, the next highest up is Aries with 38 in the list being Aries. Jeez. Really surprising to me. The top number, by the way, is 46. So 46, we have ties between four different signs. Cancer, Pisces, Sagittarius, Scorpio, all 46 serial killers. Jesus. In those split amongst those signs equally. Wow. Yeah. Or 46 each. Then we've got Aquarius and Libra with 44. We've got Capricorn with 42. Virgo. Leo with 40, Leo with 39, Aries with 38, Gemini and Taurus with 27. Now, interestingly, we also have a discussion point here. And I thought some of these discussions were very interesting because now it goes into the rabbit hole. It's like chicken egg type conversation. We're saying, is it because Capricorns just aren't getting caught? Is that why they're so low on the list? Interesting. Is it because Geminis are actually. Well, because Geminis are charismatic and can dance. They can dance around it, maybe. Oh, right. Or are they just like off leading cults? Like, who knows? You know, but it's like, is it like Sagittarius? Like, they aren't good at planning. And that's why they keep getting there at the top of the list because they're the worst serial killers, not necessarily the most, you know, like people started these whole big conversations and it was very, very. So now this is, it's so crazy that we brought up Taurus because we weren't going to talk about Taurus. It's not Taurus season anymore. But the only comment I brought from this subreddit, which I'd forgotten until now, is somebody who commented. Like, Taurus staying all the way out of the drama, both as the killer and the victim, because this person also created like a victims per killer by sign, which I'm like, I'm not even going to go there today. What a shame, because I literally almost said earlier, I'm like, I wonder if they've ever studied like. Oh, okay. You can go into that for sure. I'm happy to. But I was curious. I was like, I wonder if this type of person is the most likely to be a serial killer and like we go off of like, well, people who align with each other, that would mean that they're probably more likely to be victims, right? To be victimized. Interesting. Yeah. So that Taurus comment saying, oh, staying all the way out of the drama. And then the Taurus, a Taurus responds with the flair of a Taurus, son and Taurus, at home in my bed, not getting in trouble or murdered, painting nails emoji, way too much work. And I'm like, yeah, like, that's fair. That feels fair. And it said, it's a good thing they don't include dictators. And I was like, yeah, okay. If they included dictators and like people who have killed more than three people on that level. Um, like a geopolitical front. Yeah. We'd probably have like a lot of Gemini's and all sorts of stuff going on. I don't know. But so it's hard to pin this one down is what I'm trying to say. Like, it's hard to nail this down to stats, but it is, I would say this is like one of the most fascinating conversations we could have. This is such a, well, then you think, oh, good. Because then you think, what if their Mars are like an all in one sign? We just don't even realize, you know what I mean? Like, what if we layered all the signs on top of each other and we were like, whoa, there's a sextile. Oh my God. Yeah. Unfortunately, once you start bringing things into it, other than like someone's big three, you fucking lost me. And then I feel like I'm the least educated person to have the conversation with. But like, but if we're just doing fun sleepover, like, oh my God, well, he's so like such a Gemini. I can, I can vibe with that, but I would love to have like, have you heard of these like lectures and libations meetings? No, no. Where it's like people are now hosting like essentially PowerPoint presentations at bars. And so like you can go on a day where like the topic is interesting to you. This would be a great one. If like, like someone in like the psychic world who like knew enough about or medium world or tarot world, someone who knew about all this astrology stuff, I would love to see a discussion between a bunch of them talking about like, based on the intricacies of your houses and planets. Hey, listen, what's our new chat called? Our, our, our, uh, I keep wanting to call it antisocial social club, parasocial club. Like that would be a great topic. I wonder if we can, cause I know that. or whatever. - I just mean like, even within our group, like I know Jerry doesn't like a lot of she's very actively psychic and it like works on that regularly and then we've got um kaylin does tarot and and astrology so like we definitely have we could definitely do breakout chats it's sort of like breakout chats we're gonna have fun with that um yeah so that that's like the main discussion now i also pulled up like because then i thought well okay if we're going with past serial killers just to bad people which like this is going down a slippery slope and it's also like where's the line where's the line but and also how do you even like categorize any of this but uh this link came up of 100 most infamous gemini's and i was like oh now we're talking you know like infamous this is the most fuck-ass list i don't know who invented this who's voting okay uh we've got number one coming in hot number one charles ii what no what he belongs maybe on the list at all but like not number one the list at all at like page 400 yeah like please don't be ridiculous i don't know i mean like angelina jolie should be up there for more she has my birthday thank you okay so i think you know what you're talking about and thank you chris evans captain america fucking are we joking technically captain america's birthday is july 4th but no chris evans no chris evans i mean he's certainly i think people would argue they care more about him than now and tell me about chris hansen when's his when's that when's that fellow's birthday i don't know actually but i feel like he's giving like capricorn vibes chris i do feel he's giving to me like virgo vibes something something where he's like all about the book oh september 13th is that virgo i think that's virgo yeah if it's not he's on the cusp no that's virgo yeah for sure because yeah uh abby womba womback womback what the fuck how do we say her name abby womback womback is next number two okay i disagree also the second abby womba and then donald trump i think someone just googled people who are gemini's and then highlighted the entire article and put it in a chart and said here's some of them charles the second abby womba and donald trump like what are you doing i'd love to see all of them in a room together i mean yeah i guess so i would hate it i would really hate it um i mean here are two other people that should be on the list before them us yeah really it's like do your fucking research do your fucking own research um insane i love i love when people say like do your own research and then feel like you are the research i googled it and you were the research that's why i'm here i uh i remember when i i've the amount of times that i had when i was doing the q anon research every single fucking article somewhere and it said do your own research and i was like yeah it's like you're an article you're an article oh fucking j store what do you want um yeah so we do have the victims here victims per killer by sign okay okay okay so we have the same abstract at the bottom that like this includes the same serial killers so the serial killers that we have mentioned in the above category these are their victims oh that sounds like a fucking svu intro i didn't mean for two where are the 500 japanese men jumping um that's a true thing look it up do your own research okay please i'm so fucking tired of doing the research for you uh okay so this i am unclear of how this really works but it looks like victims per killer by sign okay we've got capricorn with the most at 19 they're the most likely to be a victim based on the most yes okay lowest was virgo at seven well this is virgo at seven that's interesting capricorn's 19 interesting i want you that's interesting because in my mind i would think well capricorns are like so studious and always prepared and so i'd be like oh they're definitely not going to well that's also like virgo so they're at the bottom that's true but then capricorn are also known to be very um they're smarty pantses they're smart but do you got street smarts oh damn damn spoken like a true tourist something wow then we've got aquarius which hurts my heart a little bit because i know aquarians are can be very kind of like out in their own world um and kind of like detached from reality um we've got scorpio next with 12 instances okay aries with 11 and libra with 11 pisces 10 cancer leo 9 sag 8 torus 8 gem 8 virgo 7 shocking i really i mean i did not expect to be so low but also i guess we're so high on as you said we're so high on the killing list so there's none of us to kill if we're all the killer i guess no we're the lowest we're gemini we're the lowest on the list i wonder if again that's because we're we can are we though we're socialize her way out of that i don't know yapper so like what you mean like we're not killers or like we're good at getting away with it because i don't think we're good at getting away with it yeah i guess we're not that good i mean especially if we're yappers that's exactly at some point you're gonna i you know and it's interesting to see here at the bottom that like the fire signs are lower on the killer list than than some of the air and water signs like the water signs are higher up i guess they're deeply feeling well you mean like so the fire signs are the ones less likely to get killed no sorry i'm back to the serial killer um oh graphic where gemini and torus and aries and leo are all like at near the bottom and then up top you've got like cancer pisces scorpio you know like more watery but they're more likely sorry to be the killer or the victim the killer interesting well i would imagine like if you're a fire sign you've got like a fiery personality maybe like you're more hot-headed or more like yeah maybe it's not maybe that's like more violent rather than serial killer you know like maybe we are dividing into like because of course killers okay that crosses a whole nother threshold serial killer you can at least put like a cap on like how many names you have because right news reports i mean because then also you could divvy this up into which would be fascinating in its own way and this is like obviously this is just like a fun conversation we're not saying like if you're a fire sign you're like more likely to be an abuser or something no no for sure someone's gonna read it that way so just disclaimer i have apparently a mars and leo okay so whatever i'm apparently i'm very aggressive so whatever but it would be interesting if we're for the sake of conversation um what numbers look like and like based on each crime like who's more likely to be a robber who's more likely to be an arsonist who's more likely to be someone who um you know does like petty crime like and i think that's also so complicated because it's like well your sun sign is one thing and then it's like oh but like maybe you are more if you believe in astrology which i do uh maybe you are more you know like i have a rising and moon maybe sometimes you're more in like that zone right and sometimes you're more in your like sun i don't know i think it's so hard that you could ever even pin that down to like someone's sun sign which like right so it's such a limiting and i yeah so it's interesting that the methodology they used was just going off of that one sign because i wonder if you would even have everybody else's rising or moon you know like the numbers could be the act the information could drastically holy shit be totally different it could all not even be about that one sign it could be about like your who's what your fucking mercury is in like it could be anything it could be i mean mars is aggression and sex sex and aggression so i feel like that's a big one um i would imagine interesting uh i imagine your moon because that's like your shadow side that's like your dark side your your intuition your like deep wounds you know is is what your moon is so i bet that would have a big play like very like sensitive so someone who is not me i feel like it would be a really interesting midnight project to go through and do everyone's like full chart and then really see the overlap at every level and then well the problem too is that you would need like birth times and i don't think you would have that exactly so many yeah that's why i someone who's not me maybe like everyone's all the serial killers maybe i don't know i mean i a lot of them are gemini there are a lot of gemini uh villain energy out there which like again i spent a long time being like kind of resentful about that and now i'm like oh no it's just like a matter of like what you're showcasing to the world what you're using for good versus evil yeah i've never taken that personally i could totally see why the stereotypes of gemini could be bad reps so i think the problem for me was i always i felt so much more aligned with other parts of me that i was always like very like what no like gemini's aren't like that and it's like oh no they are i'm i'm just like not assist like i'm like seeing it i don't know anytime anyone's ever said that they have a problem with gemini's i have never i've always gone i totally understand i get it we sound like fucking nightmares i get it too but uh but a fun nightmare you know it's like when you kind of want to keep looking back at at least we have a good time should she say that about the kisses is that weird she doesn't care she presses send this is the love story of Real Hinge Couple, Daniel and Roisin. Written and read by me, Rufy Thorpe. What did they say? Where does Ares fall in both categories? So Ares was, you know, it's interesting. Gemini and Taurus in the serial killer list were at 27 at the bottom, and then it jumps up to 38 with Ares. So they're second or third to last, or yeah, third from the bottom, but they also have like a big jump up from Gemini Taurus. Interesting. My mom's an Ares, and also Ares, also they scare me, but I think that's just because of my mom. Well, yeah, yeah. And 38, 39, Ares, Leo, like, yeah. So that's next. Was there anything that you were surprised by reading this outside of Gemini? Yeah, like the fact that like Pisces and Cancer are the highest number when like typically people joke like, oh, Gemini serial killer season, like, I don't know, because Ted Bundy and a lot of the famous ones are Gemini. So I'm like, I was really shocked by this, that we were at the bottom of this list. That includes, I don't know, if you add up all the numbers, how many? And sorry, Pisces and Cancer, that's most likely to be a serial killer. That doesn't really surprise me, though, because aren't they both known to be like really emotional? Yeah. Are they both emotional? Yes. So I would just imagine, well, they just like, quote, snap or something faster. I don't know, like, what the thought would be. Like all three water signs are in the top, are in first place. That is weird because they are supposed to like go with the flow more, right? Isn't that the other thing about them? It's interesting. I feel like they, I mean, I guess Cancer makes sense, right? Because the point of Cancer, the crab is like, oh, you have a hard exterior and then you have like a soft underbelly. Like you're like so sensitive inside, but you don't necessarily portray that. So I guess that's an interesting way to look at it as like, maybe you have like armor. I don't know, you're armored. Um, but yeah, Cancer's, sorry, Cancer, Pisces and Scorpio, all with 46, but then tied with Sagittarius, which also has 46. And then like Sag, you're all the way up there with 46 and Gemini's down there with 27. Like that does not track to me. I'm like, I'm shocked by that. It is so fun to just play speculating though. Like, I mean, it's all, this is all made up guys. I'm telling you, I promise. But like, it's fascinating. Like, cause again, we don't know anything by someone's just their sun sign, but like, it is an interesting pattern. It's certainly a cool study to be like, oh, fun fact, did you know a lot of people happen to be like this? I wonder why. Or like, and it can even be, I mean, I'm absolutely just bullshitting off the dome here, but it could be environmental. Like if you're born in June, that's because, you know, you're. Well, I was going to say, what if we added head injuries or the, the, the homicidal, the homicidal triad, right? Like what if we added that into the mix? I could completely change everything. Like who had a head injury, frontal lobe injury. Or you could even do like, like how many of them, what are, maybe it's that they're all Gemini's, but what are all their relationships with their parents or like, what are their relationships with their siblings? Or all their moms were Aries. Oh, we're both screwed. I mean, it could even be like, because like, it could be like a butterfly effecting, like because they're Gemini's, they learned at school. This way. And like, it just like a ripple effect. They ended up turning out this way because they were Gemini's and that affected their behavior in some way. Like that could be also super interesting. Exactly. So it's like far too simplistic, of course, to look at it just as the bare facts or, or to mean much more than like just a fun talking point. But it is also, you're right. Like you could go down so many rabbit holes. You could do. Yeah. Why? Right. Because I mean, if you read, did you read that book? Um, oh my God, whatever that Malcolm Gladwell thing, we all had to read where it was like, maybe it was blank. It was the one with 10,000 hours or whatever. It was like his fourth book or something. It was one of them. And he like talks about like, oh, well, I think it was him who talks about like, oh, the hockey teams in Canada. It's like, it ended up being more important when, what month you were born in, because if you were older, you were automatically or at least typically bigger. And so you're more likely to make it on the hockey team earlier at an elementary school, like in whatever they start in like second grade. And then, you know, and then by the time you're at like a professional level, it's people are like, why are all of them born in September or whatever the month was like October. And it's like, oh, it just happens to be the cutoff for the right. It's like correlation is not causation or something. Exactly. Exactly. So there's that's beautifully put. Yes. Science has already given us the terminology. Thank you. That's really well done. It's always like, well, more it's like when, when there are more serial, I'm butchering it, but one of the examples that like I always learned in my psych classes was like more people get murdered when more people get murdered. They're like ice cream sales go up. And it was like, well, it's just because both things are happening in the summer when people are outside and it's like, it's like more people are going to be a totally different third factor. You're not paying attention to. And there probably is. Yeah, probably I would, I would bet some money there is. Yeah. And that's so cool. I know. It's so interesting. And like, even just to get to know people based on, like little things and connect with them on. And even when people don't necessarily believe in astrology, I think it's interesting that like people will still know things about themselves. Like they'll say, Oh, like I, I think my moon is this, you know, like it's still interesting on some human level, I think to have like those categories. I, I did hear someone once say that Gemini's are really interested in astrology purely because since we're yappers, it gives us an, a small, a, it gives us a talking point for people. Oh, so it's almost like, like the serious type could be, Oh, Gemini's love astrology. It's like, no, we just love to have like a conversation piece in our pack back pocket if we need it. It's like, it's like things like that. So I, this I'm fucking eating this up. Yeah. It's like one more hobby or interest that we can like flip over to and like, it's just, learn a little bit about if I go to a party and I don't know people, I can at the very least be like, Oh, here's what our signs are. Like, it's just something nice to have. You know, what's interesting is my, um, my trainer, she was like, well, do you do, do you know your human design? And I was like, okay, now this is a new thing to fall in love with. Yeah. Do you know your human design? No, I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. Oh, really? Well, it was all the rage when I was in Egypt, everybody, we had people on the bus who were like kind of experts on it. And I was just like learning, um, look up human design. I am a projector. What is that? Uh, human design. And it gets really wild, like in depth. If you need another, like fixation. Oh God. There's 17 questions to this. Oh, well, you're so supposed to just put in your birth date and time. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Get your human design chart. Oh, here we go. Yeah. I'm curious. Cause I am a projector, which I don't necessarily know what that means yet. I'm a learning. Well, look it up while I'm doing this. Okay. Well, um, cause I want to, I want to see if we, what our vibes are. Um, okay. Here's mine. Let's see. And then there are different like aspects to it. So you have, um, so my energy type is projector. This is how your energy functions. Your, I have, I best make decisions, emotional intuition. Okay. Uh, my profile type is the easy breezy genius. Damn. Okay. That's nice. Mine. Okay. I just got mine. Mine is, um, manifesting jam generator. Okay. Yes. I think that's, yes, I know that one. My strategy is to respond. My inner authority is emotional. Um, I don't really know what I'm looking at here. My, my diet, my digestion is closed. Oh my God. Oh no. I have, my motivation is fear. Oh God. My environment is mountains. Now that one I can confirm. I, I love that for you. I don't know what perspective is wanting. I don't know if I'm any of this makes sense to you, but anyway, apparently it doesn't to me generator. I bet by next week I'll be fascinated and like, you know, it's interesting. I just pulled up the app and I guess I had downloaded it before. Cause I have blazes in here. Oh really? We're putting, I don't remember putting this in, but he's a generator with sacral authority and his profile type is the great life experimenter. Well, that's very intense. It's intense. It's intense. I just looked up human design, manifestor and projector relationship thrives on a push, pull dynamic where the manifestor initiates and the projector guides. Oh yeah. That makes sense. The manifestor brings energy to create while the projector offers wisdom to streamline it. I mean, that's literally how this podcast started. So that's kind of exactly right. Yeah. That's, and that's what my trainer said too. She's like, Oh, projectors take like the energy and like, almost guide it or like help shine it on other help shine light on other people to help them understand their own. It's, it's reflective a little bit, I think. Um, so that's saying interesting. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm intrigued by this because, um, because you know why I'm cause I am, but, I just find it really interesting. And then she said that and I went, okay, see you Tuesday and I'll be back with like, and she's going to hit, I hate fun. And I'm going to be like, but I have so much, to say oh you should you should oh there's no way to like build your own button i guess you could just draw one but you should just tape it next to hers and it says i don't care i like fun i'm a gemini yeah oh my god yeah and then she's like oh god she was like you'll like marianne or whatever like we because sometimes there's two people in the studio at the same time she's like you'll like marianne she's all into astrology and i was like okay marianne marianne and i are gonna talk about you by the way we're gonna bitch about you anyway well very cool it's very fun um i wonder if i can like add people to this see like this is when i get unhinged this is the most gemini and projector behavior to add everybody into my app and like then look at their charts and be like here's how you all get along like i don't know i mean i would do that why not you would do that too of course it's so fun um i don't know half the shit is happening on this app i feel very confused by its existence it's just a new language to learn i know right and you has like this fancy chart of course oh i need a subscription well oh good good good in that case um interesting yeah and especially like i've been doing um reiki training yes how is that trained it's great but it's like fascinating because i think i really didn't know if it was real and it's real really yeah how so what like what was the moment for you it's almost like i knew it was real but i didn't like know it was real do you know what i mean sure when did what when did you know when were you like oh this this is different i laid down she's like i'm gonna tune you and i was like oh the virgin mary's here that's cool huh and then my grandma showed up i mean it was like really crazy and then i had this uh flashback memory of choosing my life it was like i mean i'm not kidding i've spent i mean this is crazy and then i got home and i went um so blaze i'm having sort of like a i like a existential crisis um you know about everything because i just sort of had my world kind of flipped upside down um and i was attuned or i guess it depends on the word you use raise you raise you i think um and it's like you can like feel it like i was doing like i was doing i had a stomach ache and i was like oh my god i can like feel energy it's like essentially like you feel like a like if your stomach hurt does that mean like a like a stomach chakra isn't aligned or something i just like had a tummy ache so i was like oh i'll try to like lay my hands on and just like intend to do reiki and it was like oh i can like feel like my hands tingling and like weird you know i put it on my head and at one point i was doing this and i like put my hands on my face and i just like tears were like pouring down and i was like i do not know what's happening i don't feel sad i'm just having like huge emotions it's trippy dude and so and it feels different than just like mind over matter like just like yes weird yes it's who's teaching you sorry i'm asking too many questions no no no i thank you for asking her name's maria maria you got a lot of trainers left and right and all this and you're breathing and you're um i don't know what is happening it's like i uh well i haven't talked about this on the podcast happy birthday to us i'm gonna just completely derail now and i mean i i think we're yes go for it okay i'm gonna say an announcement which um i wasn't even sure if i would ever come up on the podcast and now i'm gonna say it and now i have to find my right app to make sure i get the statistics correct hold on please one moment i'm i'm ready are you sat i'm literally i'm on do you remember when hey i watch a lot of snark channels do you remember when michaela neguera was like you're gonna want to snark down for this when she announced her own divorce and everyone was like are you about to announce your own divorce can you imagine no oh my god remember when i accidentally almost make people think i'm divorced like every five minutes because like i never wear a wedding ring and neither does blaze and i'm like i don't know i just don't i never notice actually you don't wear a wedding ring i never notice in my well i do usually but like i'll take it off for a shower and then i'll like forget and it's like kind of small on me and then i like don't want to wear it and then people are like why aren't you wearing a wedding i mean it's mostly like my mother's wedding ring and then i'm like i don't want to wear it and i'm like i don't know i just like we have a baby in a house literally animals i just kissed him on the mouth what more do you want as proof of my love okay um anyway well apparently i lost the app which you know what i guess that is enough to say uh what i'm trying to say which is that i actually have quit drinking alcohol really surprise yeah um yes and today uh well that's what i'm trying to find oh okay is my app that tells me oh here it is days since 82 days holy shit what are you gonna do for day 100 you gotta do something i don't know i don't know i don't know i never thought i'd make it this far is it is it just to see if you can or is this like a like a like what's i'm out i'm out i'm out it happened very suddenly it was not planned it sounds like i'm pregnant i'm not um it sounds like i'm divorced i'm not um you just decided one day like oh i'm just over it or what or do you have to talk about it you don't if you don't want to it's so weird that we're talking about this because it was the night of the eclipse okay i mean cool sorry sorry it's just like i i don't know why i even looked like that i'm where are we going is what i'm thinking and i thought to myself i can tell there is something i need to let go of and i cannot figure out what it was i was having like weird dreams and i was like something's up and i'm sitting there drinking wine right and i'm like well this certainly this is not it but something something must go and so i was getting so frustrated that at one point i was like really trying to like let go and surrender and just be like okay take the wheel god whatever and um i'm sitting there and i was like okay it's the eclipse so tonight i'll do a little ritual and i said to the universe to the world i give up you take over i can't figure out what you want me to do what you want me to let go of handing the reins to you figure it out that night i woke up with what i thought was the flu it was alcohol withdrawals i was vomiting i had a fever i was sick for like two or three days and it finally occurred to me how much did you drink the night before i mean the same amount i had always drank which was far too much and it was like i don't know what happened it was almost like i got like pushed into this and maybe i did have like a type of flu but then because or if because i wasn't drinking i had a reaction you know but i had these like nightmares of my maternal line and my paternal line like all the way back drinking alcohol it was bizarre like my stepmom i mean just like all these things happening at once like these weird flashbacks and i was having literal fever dreams and like sweating through all the sheets i mean it's disgusting i went through like full-on withdrawals and then at the end of like two days when i was like finally like waking up from this i was like okay i get it like i get it it was like i just woke up and was like fine and um it was so weird because i had already had in place like this is very aquarius of me like very mentally had already planned behind the scenes of my brain like all the sort of things i was gonna like i knew the creator on tiktok i was gonna dm real quick to be like hey i remember like you posting about quitting drinking and like i just want to touch but you know just like little things where i was like oh i can go back to her content and see like remind myself of like the tips that she had posted you know and i like texted blaze and said just get rid of all the alcohol no questions asked you know and i don't know it just suddenly happened very uh aggressively and i guess um whether it was just a coincidence or not i said like i give up i can't figure it out and the i said just take the wheel and it fucking did and it spent my life into quite a spiral um in a good way bad way all the way um i think it's like the i pulled the tower card like three days in a row during that and i was like oh shit like everything's just falling apart um oh my god in like a good way how do you feel well my crowns went crazy i got like really sick it was like my hormones were out of because i'd been drinking so much for so long that it just got to a point where i was like you were like my body's normal yeah like my body was like what's happening like you've put us into um and it was it was just very uh bizarre and like i always knew that one day i would stop drinking i just didn't know when and i was like i'm not gonna do it till i'm ready and like i knew no one else could tell me to do it so it was sort of like i had to make a call and i remember thinking i have to like now or never basically like it's it i just have to do it and um yeah it was i initially said i'll just try it out but i think like pretty immediately was like okay i know that i had to do that um i have been reliant on thc especially for sleep so you know i'm not like stone cold sober um and i still have uh you know i still have a good time at weddings and stuff but like the drinking man i think it was just starting i'm getting old you know i was just starting to and i don't want anyone to feel discouraged because like when i would hear people talk about yet like quitting drinking it like really triggered me but that like when i was drinking a lot and so i don't really trigger yeah because it was like i should i know i should be doing it but i don't want anyone to feel that but like oh you know you kind of like get this like oh i had no idea wow There's something validating about other people drinking. Right. Cause it's like, okay. Especially people you follow, like if you're drinking and you don't feel necessarily, at least for me, I didn't necessarily feel comfortable with my drinking, but I was like comforted by watching other people drink and being like, it's normal, like to be a mom who drink, you know? And there were all these things where I would like just normalize it in my own head to kind of avoid looking at it closer. And then, um, so I don't want anyone to feel like that because it, I, at least for me, I was like, it's only going to happen when I'm ready. And I guess I was ready. I didn't think I was ready, but my body was like, we're done. Wow. That's crazy. And ever since then, I mean, I started watercoloring. I do fucking Qigong. That was the week I started, like, I started all these things to be like. To distract yourself or. Yeah, a little bit, or just, it was almost like I like this fog kind of lifted and I was like, oh, I'm finding dopamine elsewhere. Like, I think I had just dulled so much of my own self that like, I didn't realize what. Was fun anymore. And it was like relearning. Like, I didn't have an appetite. I still don't have an appetite. And like, I can only eat like crackers. Like, it's so weird. It's like everything has been topsy turvy. Weird. And I haven't really talked about on the podcast just because it's like. Well, it's personal. Well, it's personal. And we talk, and we usually record during the day and like early day anyway. So it's like. Sure. You know, I just didn't seem like it didn't, it didn't come up. But, um, and I also wanted to like know that it was official before. I like said anything, you know. Well, I was going to say, does this make you feel nervous? Like this is going to. No. I mean, do you, I'm telling. No, ask away. I'm bringing, no, I'm bringing it to the table as an open subject. Do you miss it at all? What? That's a great question. At first, like horribly. And it was sort of like. There was a lot of grief because it was like, oh, I just don't get to be that person that like walks up to Jerry's Jug House, like our local bar and grab a beer. You know, like, it's just like, they're little things that like, not that I ever really did that, but they're, you tell yourself these stories or you have these like ideas in your head of like, oh, one day I'll go to like Spain and drink real Spanish wine. And it's like, you know, part of me is like, you can still do that. Like, nobody's making you not do that. You know, you can still do that. And it's not the end of the world, but also we'll get there when we get there, like one day at a time, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And it's been a big learning curve. I mean, I could also see it like. It's. It's definitely a grief. I mean, you're losing your, your current or was your current identity. I mean, you have to like learn what's fun or what's fun about you or what you like doing outside of that. It's amazing. I don't like going to bars anymore. Isn't that shocking? Really? That's like the least shocking thing ever that people don't like going to bars when they quit. Obviously, like, you must be so bored at a bar, Em. I, I, I'm used to people wanting to go, so I just go. Yeah. But I, I mean, I'm not, I'm not having the fun. Yeah, it's sort of like you really have to get to a point where you're like, am I having fun? No, it was a more of a, it became way more of a, and I, you know, I had to kind of like come clean to blaze. Like I was like, I'm, I was drinking more than I intended to. I realized it was like so much shame around it. Also, when I quit drinking, I didn't realize how much space it took up in my brain, like actual active thinking, because it would be like, oh, well, when can I drive? And like, I'd be calculating hours and like. Oh, what time would that end? And then I'll come home and have a beer. Like, it just was like constantly in the back of my head. And, um, you know, some people can have a healthy relationship with alcohol. I think I'm just not that person. You know, maybe I thought I was, maybe I can, and I just am choosing not to any try anymore, but it was taking up a lot of brain space. Um, and a lot of it was like, like, uh, one of the earliest things that really convinced me, like, oh, this is the best possible thing is that. Um, and a lot of it was like, like, oh, this is the best possible thing is that. I was like, wow. So I'm carrying like so much weird, personalized, like internalized shit. And then she got up and played and I was like, I would have been sitting here like, oh my God. Like, am I, it's almost like I just peeled off this like very toxic layer of my life that, um, was fun and had its time. But now it's like just doing more harm than good. Wow. Well, I mean, you do realize how many people you've probably just helped by talking about it. Well, I think you're about to accidentally get an influx of messages. It's so hard. It's so hard. And like, I've, I've not been like super vocal about it. Like I post, I've been posting more on Instagram. I'm really trying to like get a feel for this, like kind of corny, but like a feel for myself back. And I think that's why I like all these random like jujitsu and things. I did not plan any of this and I didn't, it all happened so fast. It was almost like I pulled one. Like Jenga piece and everything kind of like collapsed, but like rebuilt very quickly. It was like, I pulled that piece out and suddenly I'm like seeing a trainer for like diaphragmatic breathing, which is like completely changing my anxiety levels. And I'm like going to jujitsu with Blaise and Leona every other day, like just for fun, because he said, why not? Like, I don't know. A lot of things have just opened up that I think I needed to let that go. And I got to a point where I knew I needed to let go, but I was holding on so tight that I was like, I basically told the universe, like fucking do it. You have to do it for me. And it felt like it got pride out of me. I'll tell you what, it felt like it got pride out of me, but like now that it's gone, I'm like, okay, I feel better. So if you're out there and you're struggling, um, me too. And also a lot of us too. And also don't feel ashamed if you need, like, I mean, I'm not a doctor, but, uh, you know, I've used THC regularly to help, uh, at least get through this period. And, you know, eventually that's might be something I hopefully look closer at as well. But at this point it's sort of like, let me get through this chapter of it. Um, and yeah, so don't feel, you know, ashamed, but yeah, feel free to DM me if you, if you want to. Um, and again, I don't want anyone to feel like discouraged or whatever. I don't know. It's like, it's also hard. Cause it's like nine years of my literal like job identity too, you know? Yeah. So what you're saying is your team milkshake now. That's crazy. I'll be, how about I, we finally have a pothead on the show. How about that? I'll become the, and that's why we don't drink. Yeah. That's why we smoke. Yeah. And I just, I don't know. There's just something very, very, that has naturally very much like opened up in, um, in like the, in my intro, like in finding joy, other places, you know, and having kind of more openness and feeling more, uh, in my body. So yeah. Anyway, I, I felt, uh, like that was either going to come up sometime or not. And I said, you know what, if it comes up, it comes up and we said, Hey, uh, let's talk about astrology. And here I go. Um, oh my God, probably derailing. But anyway, so that's, that's my update. Um, I post more about it on Instagram because I'm just trying to keep that more my, you know, personal life. But, um, I don't know. I feel like I'm kind of coming out from under a rock, you know, not a bruise. I mean, huge bruise. That is also part of why I'm a walking bruise. Cause it is so much easier to just numb yourself out, dude. It is so much easier. I believe it. Um, and I don't think I would have ever been able to climb out of that, which is why I avoided it. I, I, I know I would not, I, I, the struggle would be very tough. So that's, that's, I am, I'm very proud of you. And also selfish. This, this works out really well for me because now you and I could literally finally go drink together because you, you, we would have mocktails together. It's, I can finally give someone my recipes. It's shocking because I'm like, I've never understood your plate. It's like, I've never really understood. No, no, no, my plate. No, no, no, no. But it's true. Like I'm like, OMG, but I will say I waited long enough that there are some very good non-alcoholic beers. I would be a non-alcoholic beer person, but there's something at like that certain time when it's like kind of hot out and I'm like, I'm thirsty and I want a beer. And it's like, it, I think my brain, our brains are just dumb. They're dumb animal brains, right? So like you really can. Oh, and there's an app called reframe that, that I will also recommend highly. It's not an ad, but reframe app has like completely helped me, um, look at the science of drinking. And I think that was what really, I knew whenever I knew, whenever the day came that I quit drinking, that I would need to look at the evidence to really convince myself like, Oh shit. Cause I knew it was there, but I was like, I'm not gonna look at it. No, no. The mirror is the hardest part to look at. Yeah, exactly. It was the mirror. It was a mirror. And the universe was like, here's a giant mirror, a fun house one. Well, I mean, truly next time you need a fun little drink and you, uh, an FLD and you don't know what to do. I literally have 30 now as of this week, 34 years of experience of all the fun things I could pass along to you. As of this week, I'm so proud of you. And I'm proud of you. the raslims are gonna be incredible the raslims yeah i've i've gotten into uh some some match remember when i was drinking matcha and i'm like i don't know this is all new to me like i'm literally i feel like i'm feel like i'm kind of a kid again like i'm like experiencing things literally like i it's the only it's the only way i can um relate to this personally but like the amount of mixing of juices you're about to do is gonna blow your fucking mind listen i can't wait and i think leona's like on board for the ride yeah you and leona can do like kitty drinking together yeah we like tea parties galore yeah when well summer's right around the corner in trader joe's do you have a trader joe's near you i do i'll send you some stuff because there's um i would love that there's one that it's my favorite drink but it's like seasonal stuff that only trader joe's sells so when it happens i love that we'll have to make it together on the show yes that would be fun oh we do oh we could do like and that's why we drink and actually do like mocktail recommendations back and finally i can tell you no i know finally you can suggest drinks to me and i could tell you um as the expert here you're not gonna want to have that one tell me how to do it tell me how to live sorry that's not that's not what i mean by it but tell me how to live finally we can relate a little differently right at least um i'm getting it though because like i'm understanding i'm like oh it is fun to just go try something and take a class and learn something like i don't know i just feel like i've gotten a renewed um appreciation but also like a lot of things have been like upheaval you know like it's almost like also i cut that out and it's like oh now everything's different in my family not everything's different but like i relate to life differently i relate to sure family dinner differently i relate to birthdays and events well your whole life is you have to you have it yes rewriting how you operate under every circumstance right it feels like i've just been like kind of reassembled um and so it's very kind of maddening but also exciting so i've been posting a lot but sometimes i'm like am i like i'll like post something where i'm like this is fucking hilarious and it's so me and then i'll share it and like a few hours later i'm like what does this even mean like what am i doing i don't know i feel like i'm just kind of like experimenting with things so it's kind of fun yeah it's like fun and and and i had resigned myself i told myself i there there is no way in hell i'm gonna ever quit drinking i was like there's no way it's just like not possible and i remember thinking there was a point in my life was so dark i'm sorry but this is probably when my tourist uh trainer was like you got to say that in therapy please not here i like how this is therapy i mean whatever this is okay it's our birthday um no i think i think the thing that really struck me afterward was like i remember being in the kitchen and being like well this is a generational pattern that like leona's gonna have to break not me like i can't do it and i was like i don't think you're alone and having thought something like that it's it's really scary and like it's it's one of those things where like afterward it's like oh i just like want to hug myself but at the time i was like oh my god i was like beating myself up and being so cruel and i think like just be gentle with yourself even if you are feeling like you're doing everything wrong it's it's hard it's so hard to be a human okay um yeah it's it's hard to not rely on um especially when the system is against you totally and they want you to be drinking and doing you know they want it's like i mean they you know but like it's just easier to numb out right like it is it's absolutely especially when like it's so glamorized that this is the way to cope and this is the way to be social and if you don't do i mean there's a there's a very big reason there's many reasons but one of the reasons why a lot of people don't quit is because they're like well then what else is there and which feels dark but i mean that's what i always thought i was like what's the point even yeah it's like this is how i operate in this situation this situation this situation and it's a big ask to take someone's play thing away and completely reinvent themselves totally and it's like it's like for why for what and like that was always my thing and so when it like kind of happened i was like i need to know for why for what and i feel like that app especially was so helpful because every day i would be like well it knows you're dope it means low so it's like fucking ready to like hit you wherever or help you wherever you need to like to like deal with that and also it's so helpful because it'll be like hey it's been five days and this means like the inflammation is down by this much or like you know so it's very like cerebral which i appreciate and kind of like shows you the literal physical evidence of like hey your sleep is better your you know my aura ring is like wow what's happening and i'm like shut up yeah yeah shut up i know you know and it's but it took a long time and sometimes you just gotta wait it out for your nervous system to be ready but like damn no that's a journey your journey i mean i'm just i'm sure people are super happy that you're talking about it i i hope so and like if you're out there and you're like i couldn't do that well i couldn't either so i don't know man i mean if i can do it you can do it believe it me or not believe it or not no pressure i it's somebody has probably taken everything you just said as like a sign or or you know it's so funny is the day i was like i want every fucking five seconds i would open my thing and it was like how to stop and i was like fine it's like i need a different sign i need a different sign it's like that's not specific enough and it's like here's a sign from your guardian angel that you should stop drinking i'm like it still doesn't quite do it for me it's really specific but yeah well uh when is your 100th day then i have no idea well today's what 82 82 i was so like counting every minute for a growth that like now you're not looking at the yeah i couldn't even find the find the app at first which was kind of shocking um but yeah so i guess i have 18 more days and then it'll be 100 how are you gonna celebrate go drinking get wasted yeah oh geez yeah um you know maybe no you never know juice box juice boxes get high on life you know um get high on the marijuana i don't know there's we'll go do something i mean there's a look because the world is ass even if you like you're like well i'm in such a good place i don't really feel like i need to celebrate that asides like anytime that this shithole world gives you a reason to like just be whimsical like just take it just take it i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do it i'm gonna plan my 100th i've gotten myself a lot of um treats because it's just been very healing to be like but then it's also like oh i lost my yoga mat years ago and i was too embarrassed to like go get it back from the yoga studio so like i'll go to have a new yoga mat you know like i've been very so it's it sounds so corny because it's like i didn't do any of it on purpose really i didn't it sounds like i did but i also want to say like if you feel like so stuck literally ask the universe be prepared to get fucking thrown on your ass but like they'll it'll pick you back up yeah no the world adapts with you so yeah it'll kick your ass but it'll help you up um but so yeah if you ever need uh yeah feel free to reach out on on instagram or that's usually i mean i still have a lot of time to do that but yeah i'm gonna do it i'm gonna still have a hard time finding read responding reach out and maybe you'll get a response you never know um maybe one day when i'm feeling whimsical so well i speaking for everybody we're all very proud of you i know that's not what you're dare i feel like i'm placating you no you're not placating me no no i no i believe you i don't i don't feel that way i i mean when people are placating me then i'm like don't placate me but i know you're not placating me but no we're all very proud of you i thank you it's that's a long that's a long time that's a long thank you i'm shocked by the number it really is like shocking that i'm approaching 100 um but it does get easier i will say like almost immediately within a couple days it was like the grip of it was gone or not gone but at least like way lower yeah um so in the moment it feels like there's no possible way like your body is like we actually don't know how to live without this and you're like so it's like a real thing you're and by the way your brain is tricking you if you're it's telling you things i used to google is my brain tricking you and it was like yes your brain is literally tricking you because you get dopamine from this and it's like do it again nothing else will do nothing else will do of course well especially the confirmation bias of well last time it made me feel a lot better so and why don't we just do that again yeah and it's like easy and you know so don't beat yourself up it's hard um if i can do it you can do it very proud of you thank you and also i know it's like gotten kind of lost in the sauce at this point but well done on the discussion about horoscopes as well i know right i'm like this i swear to god this was not even and by the way folks for next week because i was like uh i think i'm just gonna do the astrology today because we already have a long episode but i do actually have a topic for next week um on uh two two criminals called the gemini twins okay so we can get to that next week's off but the week after it'll be um we'll probably be leaving gemini season it'll be the perfect time for me to force more gemini talk into the ether well the the plot twist is that we're the gemini twins and we haven't actually committed the crime yet so we have to go do that before you can report on it we better do it soon yeah um before i've got some time on our birthdays so excellent yeah okay you guys have to be our alibis oh well i'm proud of you christine and happy birthday next time i talk to you you'll be 35 so elderly half of 70 oh wow okay hey sorry to ruin everyone's day wow i want to die um i almost said that earlier when you talked about alaska and i was like zip it zip it i hate fun i hate fun and now i just it burst out i'm sorry oh well i Anyone, if you want to come to Alaska, you have a year to plan it. 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