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That's right. head and say you're my gift this year yeah read the room people it's the vibe has shifted god i'd pay so much i would pay so much to see that it would be to see sibling incest okay well no just the bow part okay just the just the bit just like the bit i just want to see got it just the one liner and the reaction and then fade to black that's all i want okay well uh we'll i'll make sure to put a crossfade in there just for the fade to black and i'll put credits at the end with your name on it just to give you the kind of kind of credit thank you i appreciate it now other than the very um specific vision i just put in your head why do you drink this week well certainly that's now top of the list um there are so many reasons you know it's like every day i'm like finding a new reason to just have an existential crisis but i think we're all in the same boat right and then today i woke up and i thought i'm gonna post a tarot reading on tiktok what who's that i don't know i'm a i'm a taurus my mercury's in taurus so what nobody knows what that means and so i am sort of trying to you know find out and so i posted this video and i'm kind of freaking out because i'm like what am i doing you know that like imposter syndrome because i don't know i do a lot of tarot but i do it like at home by myself or with like blaze or my brother or my mother and that's about it or leona but she usually just ignores me but so i'm like used to doing it but then i'm like oh it's so it's odd to like have people like watch it you know well because you know who's gonna mansplain it to you in some way tarot or just like it's like putting yourself out there you know a little bit in a new way and so it's fun but i'm just exploring and then also i drink because speaking of exploring i've been trying new things kind of like you like uh i've i've been practicing watercolor for fun like i mentioned and um i'm actually today and i'm literally my i'm gonna just poop my pants i'm so nervous um i'm going to blaze's jujitsu gym later to do to watch him to do a class okay i know that's fine help why are you scared just because you don't want to it's performance anxiety i'm yeah i guess and i'm just like i don't know i've never been to his gym before like okay are you worried he's gonna see i'm like worried he's gonna see and also not see i'm like i'm worried he's gonna be there and then i'm worried he's not like are you worried his friends are gonna say something yeah well no okay so his friends are the ones who are so okay so blaze has been going to this gym for a while and i i've been we're very blazing are very independent in our own ways like we're very close like very close when we're together but then like we have like you and allison right like very separate like we do our own hobbies and then we like reconvene and discuss and so he's been doing jujitsu for years now and he teaches a foundations course and by the way shout out to their gym because it's lovely it's called bendu and it's in north side cincinnati and they are so welcoming and that's why i'm going because i'm just proving to myself like hey blaze and his friend blaine by the way and i'm just like i'm just like i'm just like i'm just like i'm just shout out to blaine and blaze like actually that's like don't even get me thank you don't even get me started okay so skylee also teaches shout out to skylee she teaches the women's class and i'm excited and terrified and they have kids classes it's just a very welcoming environment and they built it blaine built it out of like a place that they were before that was not quite such a welcoming environment let's say so today i'm finally joining the women's class for the I just am nervous. But yeah, if anybody wants to. And apparently it's very low key, like Blaze said, just, you know, it's just more about technique. There's no like crazy training or like exercising. It's like very just kind of focused on like the basics of jujitsu. And I have no clue what I'm doing, but I'm really in this era of figuring out what the fuck is going on with, you know, the world. So I figured, why not? Fuck it. It's very cool. I think you'll be really good at it. Thank you. I don't think so. But it's fun. And it also looks a little bit like I'm like, I was just like rolling around with each other on the floor. It feels a little bit like, hey, no, hey, and Blaze said, I mean, you and Blaze are going to soon be able to roll around together. I don't know. Oh, for the first time. For the first time. I know I have a friend, not out here, but she came to visit and she does jujitsu. And she was like, let me just show you. And then kablam, I was on the fucking ground. You're on the floor. Right? She's itty bitty. And I'm not. And she, I mean, I know that's like the whole thing. It's like, it's not about. Anyway, I was KO'd before I was even aware what was happening. I know. And like that happened to me when I was little. I was like 13. And I had this cousin or I do have this cousin Magda. And she's like, just one of my faves. No offense to all my other cousins. But Magda is just like one of those people where you're like, oh, my God. And she would take me under her wing for the best and for the worst. And one time, so she won this, like, she won like the Austrian, I'm probably misquoting this, but like the Austrian judo championships, like. That's incredible. Yeah. At like age 20 or something. I don't know. Something like that. And one day I kind of like jokingly was like, I could beat you up. Literally. I don't remember. I just suddenly couldn't breathe. And I was looking at the sky. You saw little Tweety birds circling around you. A hundred percent. And I was just like, I couldn't breathe. I'd like the wind was knocked out of me. And I was like, cool. Yeah. Never. Never making that joke again. But how cool if you get not even really good, just a little good. And all of a sudden you just go, oh, by the way, Magda, I think I could kick your ass again. And then I would love to kick her ass. She, you know, she would destroy me. She coaches like the national. No, she doesn't coach the national women's soccer. She coaches some sort of high up women's soccer. She probably still kick my ass. But man, I want to try it. And I mean, I really do think you would be very good at it. I don't know what there's something in your spirit must be that Taurus and Mercury or some shit. Can you imagine if after your first like big spar or I don't know, battle, whatever they fucking call it. Yeah. Yeah. Imagine you throw some girl on the ground and they go, sorry, I'm a Taurus and Mercury. You wouldn't understand. Oh, my God. And she'd be like, oh, my God, me too. I love girlhood. I love girls. That's why I'm excited. I'm like, and Leona's going to come because they're going to pick me up. And then I take Leona home and Blaze teaches his class. And I'm like, oh, my God, we're like all going to the same room. That's very cute. I'm so excited. Is Leona in class? She's not yet. But I think like in the next couple of years, she's going to start. She really wants to. Yeah. No, I always told Allison that I don't give a shit if like what hobbies our kid has. Like, I'm not going to force them into like a quote, common sport. Like my only non-negotiable, especially if we have a daughter, would be self-defense. You just have to know it. Yeah. I just think at this point, like, if you're going to pick a hobby, like, let's do that one. Let's do that one. Yeah. And then watercoloring and poetry also for the softer side, you know, to cut with a knife. But like, like, psychiatrically. Yeah, that sounds bad. That sounds bad. But it's just be philosophical and try to talk things out. And right. Like, I'll kick your ass with words, you know? Yeah. I'm an air sign. I don't know if you know that about me. Oh, OK. I'm very proud of you. How long does it take for someone to like get like, I'm such an asshole. I was going to call it a ribbon. What's the bell? What the fuck do I, a ribbon? Go over to Blaze and be like, oh, my God, your ribbons are so cute. Oh, my God. Can I tie it in a bow? Can I tie it in a French knot? Can I braid it? I know. It's like, well, I don't know. I don't fucking know anything. Well, I was going to say, it would be incredible for your, for the dopamine spike that like, how often are you getting them? You know, like, so I've been taking guitar. Oh, right. Oh, wow. Yeah. Fun fact. Did not know. How is that going? Are you singing too or just playing? Bad. Do you get a medal, a ribbon for that? Well, so they go by like, it's literally, I go to a little kids. Guitar place. Good. And I told them, I need you to, I'm, this is not a moment where you get to like, act all cool and you know, chords and shit. I need you to treat me like I just got my brain yesterday. Yeah. And if you think what you're about to say might be technically complex at all for like an eighth grader, make it dumber. Dumber. And one of the things that they do at this, like, meant for children guitar place is that they go by like the, one of them, jujitsu, karate, whatever, they go by the same belt system, but they use. Oh, for good start. Oh, picks. So I'm currently a white pick. But then. Oh, my God. After you like, learn a certain amount with them, then you get like, you have to, there's a whole ceremony of the swap out the pick with a different color. I don't, I think it's purple. I don't fucking know. Wow. But, oh, there's a bug. I'll kill it later. Anyway, I. Wow. It was a gnat. We're fine. Mr. Miyagi. That'd be crazy if I just picked it up and just went, oh, anyway, I'll get that later. Anyway, good luck. Good luck with your martial arts. Okay. I'll be at the guitar with my black belt. Anyway, I, that's a, they, that's the closest. I can't wait till you're a black belt in the guitar and I'm a black belt in jujitsu. That would be sick. And I'll, I'll play all your theme songs when you walk out. Oh, my God. Yeah. It's going to be like nothing anyone's ever seen. By the way, when you get your black pick, there's like, literally like you get your name on the wall. Holy shit. I know. Cannot wait for that day. Memorialized forever. So, um, anyway, I'm, I'm very proud of you and I, I hope you stick with it long enough to get one belt because then I just know in the magic that is ADHD is all of a sudden you'll be a black belt very quickly. It's just, you know, it's like the slippery slope that we love and hate. You need a, you need a reward, a fun little treat. And if the fun little treat is something you can also wear, are you kidding me? Exactly. And it comes in colors. And you get to beat up boys. Oh, my God. I just want to beat up a boy so bad. I get it. Uh, okay. I want to say one more thing before we get into the episode. Um, this part is like awkward and uncomfortable, but we have to discuss it because we want to be as transparent with you as always. Um, we're discussing ad placement today. today. Uh, very briefly, we, first of all, if you're like fuck ads all the way, I get it. Go to Patreon ad free episodes. It took us a while to get there cause it took a lot of logistics, but Megan and Jack are kicking ass making ad free episodes on Patreon. Go to Patreon. If you are like no ads for me. Um, that being said, the episodes here obviously are still free as always still long as F. Um, but we do want to give you a heads up. We are tweaking the ad placement a bit. And I know that like unsettles some people's routine and way of listening. So we want to make sure you know that before it happens, unless we've already put an ad in this episode, in which case surprise. Um, but just so you know, um, we are shifting the ad breaks to basically keep up with industry standards and we've done this, we've held back from this for a long time. Um, but I, we're just going to give you the, the reasoning behind it and the explanation of what's happening. Um, our network Q code, one of the reasons that we even signed on with them, um, also known as daylight is because they have this very ethical collaborative sales model. Um, they're the way they do ads, um, and they're really, they're the way they do ads. Um, they're really, they're the way they do ads. They're called commercial islands. They're meant to really sustain, especially smaller shows, independent shows, um, small businesses like ours, where we have other shows on the network. All of our podcasts on parapods are already doing these commercial islands, but we wanted to let you all know first before we like made that transition, um, because we don't want to just like upset the Apple cart, right? Um, so it's not going to affect any like distribution platform ads. We don't have control over if like Spotify and Apple are going to be able to do that. So we're going to have to and Apple are like harassing you on their own terms. Right, we apologize in advance for that. Yeah, that's not us. If you hear a cut, like in the middle of one of our sentences and it goes to an ad that is not us, we did not do that. Jack is a very good editor and he knows extremely well when to place the ads because he also gets all this feedback from listeners, right? Right. So he was actually the one who really helped work out this plan for us. We do these commercial islands now. The format, the pre-roll is going to be the same. There's going to be a first ad island after the intro dialogue, a second ad island halfway through M story, third and fourth between our stories, and then a potential fifth island during my story. It depends. It depends. Some episodes there will be, some won't be. So we just want to let you know that. We know you're like not here for ads or ad talk, but we don't want you to feel like we pulled the rug out from under you. And, you know, taking a break from touring and all this is, you know, ads are what kind of keep the podcast alive and we don't want to bother. Are you with them? But we at least try to make them fun. Like we do have fun with the ads and we do care about our sponsors a lot. So if you don't, if you really hate them, I'm sorry, you know, I know that it's kind of a pain, but you can fast forward if possible. I know on my AirPods, you can do like the skip forward. Sometimes I do that if I'm like doing dishes or whatever. But anyway, we just wanted to keep you posted and we're trying to do this really as mindfully as possible, but it's kind of like we've reached a point where we just need to adapt to the standard that our network has and that our other, our other shows have and uphold that. And we want it to be the most like easy listening experience. Like we don't want this to be like a huge pack of ads all in one that you have to skip like minutes over. And that's kind of the whole idea. So all that to say, sorry for the blabbing. We won't talk about it again, but I just wanted to make sure I really familiarize myself with all this before bringing it to you all so that you can know what we know behind the scenes. And please know we're trying, we're going to hear your feedback. We're going to listen and do what's best. But, um, we just love you and we always want you to be part of the conversation. Oh, that is called a Mercury and Taurus. You really locked in. You went, I'm on it. And don't worry. 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Well, I tried to surprise Allison with this cobblestone fireplace for the house and I got it from Wayfair. It's very, very cute, very witchy, very spooky. I feel like underneath the right thick ceiling beams, real or fake, it would look incredible. And by the way, those beams are also on Wayfair. But now it has been moved into what will be the spook easy of our house. And I'm not allowed to see what they're doing in there. Allison and her parents have been working on that day in and day out. And I know that the fireplace has become like the centerpiece that they're working the whole thing around. So I'm very excited to see how it turns out. Wish me luck. I'm hoping it's going to look as spooky as promised. I will take pictures when I finally can see what's going on. All I know is that that fireplace became the focal point of the entire room. 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That's okay. Thanks. Do you remember what the part two, what the part one was? It was the Egyptian theater. Holy shit. Okay. Memory really just going nuts today with the brain, huh? Funny as I didn't remember. And then you asked me and I said, I don't, but let me take a wild guess. And it just kind of came back. I feel like I just saw like the, all the synapses in your brain, like really going to overdrive to find it. Yeah. Yep. The file folder. Yeah. Found it real quick. And, uh, yeah. So I do remember it's the Egyptian theater, but it's, it's not the Idaho one. It's the other one. Oh my God. Okay. I forget where that is. Iowa. Illinois. Wow. Fuck. Fuck. I'll see myself out. I'm, why don't you just do the notes at this point? Like you really just killed it. You just, every single little beat there, you, okay. Well, whatever. Thank you so much. Listen, what can I say? There is no rhyme or reason for any of it. Well, you're right. This is the Egyptian theater, but this one is not in Boise, Idaho. This is in DeKalb, Illinois. Okay. I feel like I've heard that. I think I've, nope. I don't know. I know it's near Chicago. Okay. Sure. So once you hear the word Chicago, all the other ones feel smaller because Chicago is a big town. They sort of feel like just a suburb. Yeah. So, and remember the reason that this even came to be this story was because I thought I was covering one Egyptian theater and then the information kept sounding just a little off. And so I kept going, what the fuck is going on? And then I ended up finding out I was covering two topics by accident. Once. And I told you that that information, when I say it was just a little off, everything was only off by like one or two years, the same reasonings for things, the same chronology was like, all of it just was a little too close that it took me a while to realize. Oh, maybe it's not the same place. So I will try to rush through the history of this because I already did it last week, basically. Right. But this theater was open in 1929 versus 1927 at the other one. And this is also on the National Registry of Historic Places, which it happened in the 70s, just like the last place. And again, this was designed as an Egypt with an Egyptian theme after the United States is Egyptian craze in the 20s when King Tut's tomb was discovered. At one point, I mentioned this last time, but at one point there was around like a hundred Egyptian theaters. And in my mind, I would think just make this a franchise at this point. Yeah, it's just crazy because you would think, oh, these are all clearly one of the same thing, but they were all different and everyone just thought they had the original idea. I mean, I guess back then you don't have like fucking GoDaddy to check if the domain is taken. So like they're already kind of like Egyptian theater, but nobody knows that there's a hundred. I'd be tripping if I worked on an Egyptian theater and then traveled somewhere and saw another Egyptian theater and I'd be like, did we ever approve this? Uh oh. Like same pillars or columns and like same decor. I'd be like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah. So apparently they were all just individual, individual theaters, just all with the same idea. And now there's only seven left in the country there's la boise this one and then there's one in colorado one in oregon two in utah okay fun fact so the cost for the total design of this place was a quarter million dollars which today is about five million dollars jesus yeah and the original plan which the other one did not have the original plan was that this was going to be kind of the beginning of a mega complex in the 20s where like a hotel was going to be attached to it restaurants were going to be attached to it it was just going to be one of multiple margaritaville and resort if you will yes i think yeah you get it you see i i do why did i even i can't believe i was going to give you an example that's so embarrassing ridiculous so it was going to be essentially a bit of a resort kind of thing but then the stock market crashed whoopsie daisy and the whole plan was canceled but this theater was allowed to finish its building because it was literally in the middle of being built when the stock market crashed and they're spending five million dollars on it it's like fuck you're kind of on cost here like what are you gonna do you gotta keep going i guess exactly it's like well let's let's see what happens you do yeah so um yeah so the stock market crashed and they were like well let's just keep building i guess it was originally supposed to be although it was a theater you would think movie theater it was supposed to be both vaudeville and a movie theater okay okay um and not just both vaudeville and movies but in the movie realm it was gonna be both silent and the not the talkies which was the first theater that was going to be doing that around here so oh exciting exciting big news big deal not just motion picture but motion and sound pictures love that and another fun fact for you the opening day admission was a quarter or 50 cents based on if you were an adult or child oh okay it was like based on what exactly okay fair enough that's fair that's fair but yeah 50 cents for a movie incredible yeah wow uh that being said with a couple years like literally two years they realized that the vaudeville thing wasn't working and i mean once you've got the talkies you're really pushing like vaudeville is just old old old no one wants that anymore they want the talkies little kid especially those kids aren't coming for vaudeville anymore not with the talkies no they even tried for a second to make it where like vaudeville would be the act in between the movies while they were like putting in the new reel and then that way so embarrassing yeah but it's like oh so now you're just like the jester like it's like awkward you're like the vamp guy you know you're like yeah you're like the mc or something vamping um yeah and like everyone's like when's the movie start oh that sucks yeah yes exactly right and i feel like it was probably maybe they were really excited they're like nobody does vaudeville anymore this is my big break to bring it back and they were like oh we're gonna actually like i'll finally prove it yeah well so it went straight to just being a movie theater uh the first movie was a horse racing comedy i would say the name but apparently it is a now racist term no yep um but it was a horse racing comedy where i guess the it's hard to understand what the movie was about but it sounds like it was some guy who happened to share the same name as a famous jockey but this guy doesn't like horses he's horrified of horses and he ends up rescuing someone who's like on a horse by accident and because of his name which is the name of like a famous jockey in the area they thought he was the jockey and he was like i think trying to impress a girl and so he pretended to be the jockey and then he ended up being like signing up to impress her for like a horse competition and then like every disney channel original movie literally because i'm assuming that the real jockey was also there being like what the hell are you doing here signing up for me you know oh my word oh my word it sounds hilarious what can i say i do say i can't tell you everything about this movie i'm really guessing a lot of that plot because it is lost footage oh so all we have is like the description of what it was do you know what's so weird is that i have a whole bit not a bit but like a segment on um my story today about lost footage fun weird love that one thing that was not lost was the movie poster and let me tell you the tagline the gasps of an earthquake the yells of a mirth quake it just sounds like something hopefully someone says about us i don't know not mirth quake uh there's also on imdb two fake reviews about this movie cool which i did think in the to and it is an homage to issue sandy i thought i would read the reviews to you but yay but the reviews were not actually that good like not like not fun yeah which i'm sure you've run into all the time so the two reviews seem to be like one was more informational about like anything we can find on this movie great the other one was funny in that it rated the movie a five out of ten having obviously never seen it right because the movie was lost a hundred years ago so anyone who was alive to see it certainly isn't operating imdb so it's definitely you don't know that it could be a very tech savvy 104 year old you're right as a toddler you were totally right i i remembers it to this very day like it was yesterday he's like i gotta get on that imdb and talk about this movie what if he just ended about the vaudeville act in the middle like if they got rid of that fucking vaudeville i would have been able to enjoy the movie it's like all he did was juggle the cane took forever to get out so embarrassing like get rid of this guy uh so yeah fun fact but somewhere between the 40s and 50s the film was destroyed because it was like contaminated but then like do you know in that moment like this is the only copy forever do you care do you care like all the time does it feel like warner brothers themselves destroyed it wow it's just why did they just what do you mean it was what what was wrong with it i guess the film negatives were deteriorating oh so it's just like busted it's not like it's not like they were just like fuck this movie oh wow that's just pretty wild but you would think they wouldn't they have had okay second reel or something no so what they did apparently because at least for my story today what what i talk about is television shows but they used to just tape over them or throw them once the footage got deteriorated enough they would just toss it and they would just like record over things so you would never get like a hard copy of anything until you were able to record them at home because the net the the studios would just like re-tape over them which is why so much i don't know about movies but for tv shows a lot of shows are lost because they would just tape over them so there was just no ability to make a second copy they just didn't you they just didn't that's so weird to me that that wasn't anybody's first fucking thought i think it's like they just thought it was kind of like temporary media sort of like nobody thought that's crazy save it i know true especially like all that money into it like you don't want this to be it's just so bizarre i guess like once you lose the original and your copy is deteriorating what are you gonna do i don't know well one of the i guess solutions was a fun fact about this movie which the only reason i brought it up is because it's the first movie that played in this theater and i thought it'd be some nice the negatives were deteriorating i'm guessing on that but before it ever became lost footage or before they ever decided to throw it away in 1938 they remade the movie oh but under a completely different name with completely different cast and completely different character names was it like shot for shot it was just like totally different movie i think it was a different movie because even like the characters names are totally different so they basically were like fuck this movie i know you said they weren't like that but like in some ways they were kind of like fuck this movie we'll just redo it i wonder if they were like i always wanted it to end differently and then they just decided to redo it but they also they cast bigger people like they had um like louis armstrong and like ronald reagan when he was an actor in it like oh my word this new version so anyway if you want to watch the remake it's called going places from 1938 okay as i mentioned earlier the theater was opening was in the middle of construction as the stock market crashed so there were a lot of budgetary cuts i need everybody to hear this because the gas that came out of me was just gobsmacked so for one to cut out of their budget they had the ceilings lowered so it wasn't taller and more grand lower the ceilings we don't have enough drywall to keep going like just duck it's fine we'll duck they'll duck the uh no balcony for us just yeah they're gonna be sitting anyway who cares crawl to your seat there was there was um they originally planned it to be fancy i think it was like marble floors but then they couldn't afford the marble and so they literally went to other construction sites around the area and collected the scrap tile and then like had to mosaic it all together on the floor oh my god which it ends up actually looking very beautiful now but like imagine thinking oh i'm just gonna throw one slab of fucking marble on the ground and call it a day that's literally out of one of those shows and now it's like actually do a puzzle yeah that's but that's what out of one of those fucking whack tv shows from the 90s or early 2000s where they're like sandra took tissue paper and made this lamp out of it yeah we're because one time 10 year old tanya did a school project about lamps and now her room is called the lamp room and we've made it all out of tissue paper and it'll probably set fire the moment i leave i know exactly what you're talking about right like that show a talking sense or something sense with c e s yes it's it's like so making something to what maybe maybe talking sense But I know exactly what you're talking about, where it was like everything was unnecessary and you're just like are you just like it's like stapling curtains to the wall like it's like how i behave and i'm like who paid for these people to go into other people's homes and behave this and like behave this way you know what i hope you write a letter to them and go how do you behave this way how do you let you do this because i'd like to do this and i don't i haven't been given this kind of budget or go ahead yeah how who greenlit this and can i take over thanks so the other the thing that um really floored me and only for personal reasons was that uh the other big cut that they did was they got rid of the ac oh my god like just fucking bulldoze the building i mean they've got those tile floors emin if you're already crawling you could just kind of put your face down rub your belly on the cold mosaic tile um no they uh they but i did first of all ac in 1929 that's blows me away you could just rub your belly on the cold mosaic tile um no they uh they but i did first of all ac in 1929 that's blows me away didn't know that was even an option good one but now i i'm finding out here's the thing that really made me guffaw is that i want you to tell me because the theater still stands it's still a theater i want you to guess what year ac was finally put in after being cut in 1929 20 to uh 1988 2000 i don't know like six years ago i'm not kidding six years ago i was like are you telling me in 2019 that people were volunteering to be here and it there was no ac i mean i feel like that's not that weird is it i promise you in my brain it's the weirdest thing one could do okay i guess that's fair i mean chicago is notoriously pretty fucking cold but i guess true but like imagine being it's the summer you're there not in a packed in a theater yeah they do concerts there you got to read one star reviews from pre-2020 to see like what the what the deal was like if it was hellish or if it was like manageable somehow i wonder if the shows were just so worth it i don't know yeah i don't know um remember that one time we had a live show and the ac went out sort of the la show where like we were already super delayed but like it was like everything was going wrong oh my god it was like that was also the the bathroom situation was at that theater by the way someday we got to have tails from the road because there is so much shit i think my mercury and taurus is really like finally reaching a point where i'm like oh i can just say shit out loud so i'm like let us just tell you someday we got to tell you about that fuck ass day and the time that we almost there was a rat we didn't get a bathroom oh yeah well that was another yep that was great fuck that was terrible and it wasn't the show was great but the oh and then remember i don't know if you remember this because it was it was a rough day uh i on my way out tripped over um like a metal thing and i was holding a bunch of stuff and i face planted and like my whole bucking face and i was in front of the uber and i remember so vividly it was such a bad like fall and smack that somebody else got out of their car and ran over and i thought it was my uber driver and he was like no i just parked my car in the middle of the road i didn't see that i you guys left before me nobody saw it except for the entire downtown los angeles area and then i wiped out face to face with my uber driver and i was like oh my god i just parked my car in the face first and then i just started to cry because i was like this would happen and i was like smiling and crying and laughing like a buffoon and then my uber driver came and i realized he was pretending like he didn't see me fall because like he like looked away and i was like oh my god this is the most miserable and then next morning we got onto that train to san diego that was bad that i remember there was something about um well they can get into that later i was good yeah hey we got to get into that train to san diego yeah hey we got to get into that train to san diego yeah hey we want to pay for extra bitching yappy hour details i remember specifically but the ac didn't they say like the only way we could like it was like something the ac broke the night before we had to reschedule we had to reschedule because they were also saying like the only way it's it could happen weren't they trying to say something like oh well we could have the show if we could fix it today and you help us pay out of pocket or something and it was like yeah yeah yeah yeah they were like you can do the show it'll be 118 degrees inside and we were like yeah and i was like and kill everyone okay crazy yeah sure no anyway i imagine that's what this theater felt like even though it was not los angeles post climate hell um but whatever whatever this theater had no ac until 2019 so it was hot at least once in there it didn't even have a marble floor okay it didn't have any of the essentials the only reason this theater ended up doing well by the way i already mentioned this earlier but because it was the great depression nobody could afford to go to the movie theaters and if they did they wanted to go to the movie theaters and like a class a experience and so because this was the only place that had the talkies it was like the only theater that survived in the area i think wow during the depression wow even so the theater eventually of course got into bad shape was already without ac i'll tell you that it was going to close down but then the town rallied together like it's stars hollow and uh it eventually was able to get renovated similar to the last case i did case theater i did um it was right around the same time too where the whole town got together and renovated it so i hallmark style before i get into the ghosts i will tell you some fun facts this is still the town's biggest movie screen oh well that's pretty that's pretty impressive it's also the town's biggest auditorium okay it is uh oh just like how ac didn't exist until 2019 i've talked about that enough the original chairs from 1929 were all the same chairs that were also there up until very recently and they only recently replaced them except for one which i'll talk about in a second um and it's still in use they do all sorts of events there to do like proms and graduations and weddings and history tours and all this stuff so um and actually for a while it had a haunted house attraction during halloween but then that went away i'm not totally sure why and then i don't know if they still do this but i thought this was so cute during christmas uh they often play it's a wonderful life and at the end have snowfall from the ceiling that's cute it's just asbestos from the old uh old ceiling tiles it's actually because there was no ac they needed something cold to drench on you so i just dumped some frozen water please let it snow in here it's a thousand degrees yeah it's nice so okay now on to the ghosts it's most popular for their ghost tours of the investigations that they let people do they're known today do you think they ever had a clue when they were building this place and they're like oh it's most successful purpose in years is gonna be fucking all of us dead on ghost tours yeah with you guys dead inside of it oh my god i do wonder i did see it like a post online recently though it's like how come there aren't they don't make houses anymore that are worth haunting like they don't look glamorous enough i mean truly and part of me is like maybe that's why so many theaters and old places are haunted it's because they were so beautiful why would you want to leave glamorous hell yeah now if like i just had like a farmhouse style bungalow like the one i was in i would have been living now um i'd be like i'm not haunting this fucking thing that's just not happening well yeah and it's like if i've got this big white dress if i'm a lady in white what am i gonna do haunt like the suburbs no i mean maybe for fun every now and then just to scare the kiddos but like i belong on a grand staircase and you know what keep that energy that's exactly right thank you so much uh it's known as one of the most haunted theaters in all of illinois there are several ghosts here many sources before i traveled on over to youtube many sources said that it is there are six very popular ghosts here and then when i went to youtube and i saw i watched like a bunch of people do investigations every single one of them said there's only two main ghosts here so oh i don't know if i did my notes wrong again i don't know no maybe it's that thing again where it's like they get mixed up and stories cross over and i feel like there are six ghosts there but two of them really steal the show no pun intended okay so it's sort of like these are the two main yeah characters yeah okay one of them is named irv kummerfeld yes well no wonder he's a main character of course um irv and his wife barbara are from the 1980s they uh were a power couple here at the time the wife was um like some fancy director she was a suit of the theater wow and he also he was always there he loved volunteering there and together they started the non-profit that actually restored the theater eventually so they're like patrons of the theater patrons of the theater yes they're part of like the silver society or whatever they'd call very chic and the mad hatters no red hats never mind so one night after a show fun fact it was west side story in case you care i do one night after a show irv was in his seat his favorite seat there and he got up walked into the aisle had a massive heart attack as people were clearing out of the show oh shit and he died where he'd been watching the the show and so now yeah he's gonna haunt it so people see him constantly walking up and down the aisle right where he passed i wonder in that case because it's such a direct link like we know he died there i wonder if that is residual of that day or do you think that's like it's residual of just his entire energy in the place does that make sense it does i and i kind of have an answer for you um because i don't know if that one specifically is like from the day he died or because he was constantly at every show walking up and down miles right but one thing that seems to be a more generally residual of his is that um after he passed people see a lot of shadow figures standing in the doorway at the back of the theater and on his shifts when he was volunteering there he would regularly try to sneak in and look through the door to watch a show so okay okay so that feels more like the general one and the tile is maybe of the day he died i mean it's kind of amazing to think because we never really think about that that a ghost could have like multiple ways of expressing itself in one place like a residual haunting but then also or i guess they're both residual but then like yeah doing different things i don't know it's kind of cool it makes sense i guess or for all we know both of them like i'm this or it's the same right true they could be both intelligent they could be from different timelines in which case like oh my god ghosts can haunt themselves while haunting themselves or well i think you already know that you already know that i know it's like my time travel theory and your time travel theory and travel interests like you already know that's the thing but thank you um yeah the fact that i'm already haunting myself is crazy every time but it's like such not a surprise to any of us like literally if i trip and i feel someone catch me i know that was me going bitch get up like and you know who else it was you who tripped you too probably you know what just for the attention i could see that yeah it's like you doing a three-person like stew jack but it's just like you and your future it's just me my past self and my future and then like i i future me comes along with the vaudeville hook uh just gets all three of you out of there i think you just drag an organ out and go or something yeah yeah yeah let's do a little nickelodeon action so um this he is the one who has his the special seat where all but one have been replaced since 1929 his seat that he used to sit in is the 1929 seat that's pretty special and i don't know if it's like because he died there or if it's just like that was his favorite seat and he was a good guy and a patriot i feel like that happens like at theaters when someone has been like involved for so long and they pass i don't know if it's like because not necessarily next to this that's just a double whammy i feel like they were like okay we gotta super gold plate this shit yeah exactly um but yeah i feel like they theaters do that right like even if it's not happens in-house um he has also i only saw this on one source and i didn't hear about it anywhere else but i thought it was interesting that he apparently had a desk when he worked here and after his death there seemed to be a lot of energy around the desk oh um people would still find like cigarette butts on the desk and they would find like things in the desk had been moved around and stuff and then when they moved the desk down to the basement i guess all that activity either ended or ended up started happening it started happening in the basement something like that he's like why the fuck did you move me my office downstairs yeah it's like fucking now i'm in the like boiler room what the hell thanks a lot sometimes people also smell smoke and they assume that's attributed to like the cigarette butts but some other people argued this was before things were smoking free like oh the theater probably just reeked of cigarettes at one point true yeah probably everyone is smoking yeah so probably has nothing to do with like him specifically and it's just well that's what the theater's the era yeah um okay so he is one of the main characters the other main character that everyone talks about is the lady in guess a color it's not red finally or white is is it is it uh aquamarine can you imagine can you imagine the lady in lavender no it's uh she's such a i mean she needs so much attention she's in green this one's in green okay okay well you know she could have been aquamarine but she chose she chose a simpler i appreciate that you know we have yet to meet a lady in yellow or a lady in orange i feel like those are the only two left what about pink have we done that pink purple have we done a lady in purple f maybe not purple red white gold i feel like i feel like we've found lady in white lady in blue lady in red now lady we've got and you know the beautiful thing is we've got so much ahead of us polka dots uh gingham you know a lady in flannel now that's the one i want to meet for obvious reasons okay a lady in muumuu i already have one of those in my so lady in green she has no name and people have even asked what's your name and she just won't tell you but she's apparently very happy she's seen in a long green dress she's seen in the balcony of the theater and she's seen in the balcony of the theater and she's seen in the theater um a lot of especially like workers in the morning when they go and do like checks on the building they'll see her just sitting there in the audience and they think like she is early for a matinee or something and imagine though like seeing someone in a dress to like a beautiful green dress it's like what are you doing here at eight in the morning or whatever time the workers show up and as someone who is um often a a non-fancy patron of the theater yeah uh the way that uh attire has changed over the years like the way like people wear like athleisure to the theater that's crazy and like for a matinee or eight in the morning especially like you wouldn't see somebody typically in like a gown you know no but like she dresses like i love you at the theater and so sure um that would really blow me away if i saw someone dressed like you and me sitting in the theater sadly in 2026 that would be less shocking i'm sure someone in vaudeville would be like what the fuck are you wearing yeah i mean i'm literally wearing like underwear as so i i think that like they would be pretty understandably upset yeah but shockingly that would be less for me to swallow i'd be like oh someone's just sitting and observing me working yeah yeah yeah or they they got in here somehow yeah yeah um but so anyway they think someone either snuck in or is confused about showtimes she seems to be very chatty she's very often intelligently responding to people's requests when they go on investigations except not her name except her name she doesn't she keeps some things to herself i like it i like it um performers have even seen her during rehearsals and shows they see someone watching who like stands out because she is dressed for broadway which is crazy um yeah i keep saying broadway just theater sorry um it's it's chicago broadway yeah yeah uh and also um people also see her smoking one of those very long cruella de vil cigarettes which like she's so out of place but yet she's in her world she's so in place but she's like like wow that is just stunning everyone else probably looks so off to her in fact there is but i love that she just doesn't even mind there's one story later that i tell you i'll just say it now that um there's one ghost there i wonder if it's irv but there's a guy who is dressed old timey and he's leaning against one of the columns and he just looks at the stage watching you especially if you're investigating people have said that they see a man watching them while they're investigating and they've found out through spirit box sessions or sessions or whatever it is that he is very curious about people's clothing and part of me is like because they're from another time or because they are just so embarrassing in a theater dressed like that oh yeah yeah is it like because like what is wrong with you people or is it like oh you look like a futuristic right robot yeah i mean imagine you know back in like when people were for the first time on commercial airplanes and they would dress like their sundays best imagine you just showed up in like your gym shorts and a hoodie like we all do now would be fucking disgusted but well and like and like your whole duvet you know how some people bring like an entire duvet and like six stuff uh squish mellows and you're like did you okay that's fine yeah and they're barefoot exactly they'd be they'd probably but you're right like it's like you look like a different being entirely yes and you look like a little bit okay wow wow a little extra like okay i'm very clearly have different cultural yeah we yeah cultural interest is a nice um yeah so she's very friendly and and is like i think she kind of i like to think she loves the bit of being a ghost because there have been times i saw it in youtube videos last night that as soon as you the the guide will bring them up to where people see her and he starts talking about her the lights only in her section turn off by themselves ah she's like and what darling yeah there's just oh my god i love her so those are the two main ones but these are the others that people okay on other sources said that there's a lot of people that are like oh my god i love her on other sources said that there's the ensemble cast well done yeah absolutely that's what why didn't i just fucking say that okay god sometimes you just have the words i'm channeling you thank you yeah there's apparently a little girl that haunts the theater but it's because her family used to actually live on the property before it was a theater oh so she must be confused she must be so she's like where is the couch and also like where is the couch and she's like where is the couch is my marble floor i was promised and where is my mom oh god and where and where where are my shoes where are my clothes where am i where's the potty where am i oh my god people have said that they've seen this little girl singing and playing in the lobby and but they only see her during the summer because i guess when they lived on the property it was a summer house so people only see her when she would have been there there's also apparently the ghost of a little boy don't know if he has anything to do with the little girl i love that people can still summer in the afterlife yeah like what she's summering in the app like she gets to go to her summer home what the fuck was that sound um probably like somebody's souped up vehicle because they have a huge penis that was crazy that from the other side of the country i heard their tiny penis drive by i didn't think you'd be able to hear that but it must have been like at the exact right register sorry about that uh no but that's a great point that you can summer even in the afterlife but it feels like some people can't doesn't it like it feels like sometimes people are just stuck somewhere or residual or whatever but then like you hear about this and it's like oh she's only there sometimes because it's her summer home and i'm like what and where the fuck does she go where exactly yeah i wonder if there's what the privilege hierarchy is in ghost world because if some people are stuck but someone else gets to travel it's like that has to be a ghost that you don't care for because you're a little butthurt about it right but who's deciding that i don't know i don't know the politics i don't uh someday we will yeah and yet we won't be able to tell anyone we'll find a way annoying yeah they'll see they'll all see so uh there's a little boy there i don't think he has any relation to the little girl but i hope that they see each other in play i do too um he's been seen wandering the theater he was first seen this is so creepy um when the building was doing halloween jumpers scare attractions and people thought he was a lost kid and were wondering where his parents were oh god and then the real the real scare is that he was never there babe that's like the world's best haunted house though truly like you and you pay all of these teenagers to do some yep some spooky scary work when like the main character was like i'll do it for free yeah sure like step aside he's apparently often seen in the costuming dressing room area and so they wonder if he was ever a vaudeville actor here oh uh the fifth ghost here is there's a janitor and blue coveralls a lot of people see on the stage sweeping and i guess he's become known as charlie okay there's also a lot of blue orbs that float around in the theater and so maybe that's charlie i'm not sure and then the sixth one is certainly the most horrifying and somehow neglected a lot in the youtube that i watched the youtubes i'm my fucking mom but in one of the bathrooms downstairs there is this haunting female spirit who actively tries to keep people away like is wants you to be scared of her um people say if they feel someone glaring at her i actually saw this one investigation where they were like we were just trying to be girls girls we were gonna go hang out with her and be like it's not that bad babe it's fine because apparently it's a woman and it's always happening in the woman's bathroom and they're like it's not that bad babe it's fine because apparently it's like moaning myrtle yeah and they were like let's just go hang out with her and show her like it ain't that bad but as soon as they got to the stairs where they would have gone down to the bathroom they felt something so hateful that they were like okay noted we won't go oh my god to go from the energy of let's go uh like girly pop swap lip gloss in the bathroom to like okay the dread is physically blocking me from for walking further yeah there's probably something that doesn't want you down there well apparently people who have gone down there anyway they have experienced the uh bathroom stalls the doors will slam slam shut and then if you even try to close one of them there is a pounding on the stalls and you hear a woman scream crying oh god she's like she is she wants you out of there she is like moaning myrtle i mean really well some mediums have uh said that i mean she's clearly going through it but the mediums have said like she feels like a poison to society whoa what the fuck like she's she hates herself and she's trying to scare you off so that you're nowhere near her it's almost like she's trying to like save you from herself right so she's like self-sat she's okay this is a very psychoanalytical interpretation of a ghost but you were about to say self-sabotage that's exactly right where it's like you would you could have friends in the afterlife if you're not so damn scary you know borrow my lip gloss yes like we were trying to help you but maybe she doesn't you know she's got to help herself man now you said it period and that's on period oh god uh okay so i'm just gonna give you a quick rundown of some of the other things that ghosts do i know i'm going over time i'm so sorry so no go please go i want to hear the ghosts many shadowy figures darting around many apparitions of people watching the shows people have straight up just seen a man standing on the stage that they think is there not charlie a different man oh okay uh there's one apparition that uh has talked to investigators saying that he's curious about their clothes and he's like oh my god i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry i'm so sorry this was a show i guess the host is named sarah because it's called sarah normal i think that's hysterical ah i love that and they responded by saying like oh our clothing it's because we're from 2025 and then their phones died as if like their exact words were like he clearly crashed out that it was 20 i was gonna say that you fucking lost it yeah yeah he was like well i what can't stand this that's enough of that um there's footsteps faint voices sounds of applause feeling touched doors slam right next to you there was one video i watched where literally as they're walking by like the door just slams like it's just and and then the the tour guide was like yep there they go like ah that shouldn't be normal don't normalize door slamming on their own i like the normalization of like them being mysterious about it where a door slams in a room that you're not in but they clearly don't give a fuck they were like here's the door bam when it slams right in your face and you're like yep another day at work it's like i don't think so and maybe they were being mischievous but without context it just feels threatening like it's not yeah yeah you know read the room yeah please you know i'm gonna be scared now yeah quit fucking around objects move there are clear photos of like misty bodies sitting in seats motion activation equipment trips up batteries and cameras die and then if you like mention it then more batteries and cameras die on stage people hear this is a common one people will hear crinkling paper around them like what the fuck am i hearing and then when they think back on it it sounds like a script was flipped through and right when they're rehearsing and right when they give up trying to find the sound bam right next to them they'll hear whatever it was maybe the script or a book getting thrown onto the ground right next to them and jesus i should have uh kept the clip ready to show you but there someone did get it on camera where they're like do you hear that do you hear that it's clearly like rustling papers oh my god and then at the very end you just hear like bam and it's like slams right on the ground next to her as if he's like what do you mean my scene got cut bam or something like that i feel he's not off book yet not off book he's not off book and he's got a fucking get off book uh one of the most common things that people experience here are the most success investigators get is through spirit box sessions these ghosts love a spirit box i love ghosts who love a spirit box i love the chatties chatty kathy's so i wonder why here is a collection of multiple i just put them all in bullets so so these are from multiple i just put them all in bullets so so these are from multiple i just put them all into multiple investigations but when talking to the lady in green they said were you a singer the spirit box says singer and then everyone went oh my god it said singer and then the spirit box went that's right yeah it's like well yeah i did because you asked uh another one when people try to approach that bathroom where like there's like that yeah yeah mean ghost the spirit box will say stop here oh geez yeah i will i will uh the rem pod which as you know it has like different lights on the top of it in different colors they were using a rem pod and they asked if they could if the ghost could change the rem pods colors and the spirit box said four which there are four colors on top and so i know so they said the investigators went yeah there are four colors and the spirit box said the dots right as a full sentence the dots right that's super cool that one freaks me out that one actually just now the dots right oh my god it's like we're it's literally four colorful dots it's so creepy creepy um then they were talking to erv and they said do we feel you go up and down aisle one and the spirit box said yes it's me then they said what's your wife's name and the spirit box said barb whoa and they said thanks erv for talking to us and the spirit box said thanks holy shit he is like active yeah he's there another time they were saying are you the one making this machine light up and the spirit box said probably yes then they said did i see you walking around just now and the spirit box said maybe it's like i don't fucking know did you see me i don't know everyone hears the sound and then they said are you moving chairs uh because i guess the chairs nearby and they thought they heard it shift they said are you moving the chairs and the spirit box says it was me oh they said do you want to keep talking to us and the spirit box said no okay that's a dangerous question uh they're about to investigators are about to head out and they say we'll leave now but then they get a voice saying wait and when they ask who's on the stairs they get a voice that says freddie and they it's a clear freddie it's like this it's like freddie um is freddie someone we know or no no just okay the name and i mean think of how many people have been in and out of that theater either working there or visiting and yeah someone's just going to the bathroom real quick and then yeah some futuristic person's like what's your name freddie well there was they go into the dressing room that has all these vanity mirrors and they say they're talking about oh mirrors are supposed to be a portal for spirits and the spirit box said that's right oh no can that freaks me out breaking news i mean we all knew it which is right everybody of course they were that's distressing one time they asked how many of you are here the spirit box said a lot uh are you right by me the spirit box said indeed what are you doing here the spirit box said fate oh that's heavy um one thing i thought was also cool also involving the rem pods is as you know i just said colorful lights everywhere they had it on and the spirit box immediately said game ready as if like oh my god we're gonna play a game i'm ready oh my god because it looks like an arcade game like it's it looks like you're about to play it's it's like the one where you have to land on the yes colorama that's right but so they said oh you think it's a game maybe because of the lights and then the rem pod goes off like they went to go like point at the lights and be like this is why i think it's like you think it's a game you idiot another time the spirit box said um grab when they said what are you gonna grab then the rem pod went off as if like someone grabbed the rem pod oh and then can you give us a sign the spirit box said cannot i mean there's so many so i'm just gonna end on the creepiest thing that happened which is there was one team that was there and they were all standing on the stage and they had a camera on a tripod facing the stage in case anything happened that night nothing ever happened except when any of them especially this one guy on the team was on the stage the tripod and camera would move itself the whole time they were on stage and what and as if they ever left the tripod would stand still and it wasn't like it was you know on the stage or they were accidentally knocking it by stepping around and everything it was like on the other side of the theater and it was like something was trying to like adjust the frame and to get them in the shot and then they left and the camera stayed still for the rest of the night they went back and were on stage for like 15 minutes cleaning up their equipment and the whole time the camera was shaking by itself very strange very strange i wonder if that was like an old theater tech being like okay let me get the shot right well you're not doing a very good job you're shaking it around the whole time for 15 minutes i feel like it's that child oh yeah just playing with the equipment i mean that's what i would do as a child yeah it's like i can see you on this thing unattended video camera yeah anyway okay that is uh the egyptian theater that was awesome i really liked i i mean i like both of them but this one i don't know i really that one there's so many characters in this one you know like characters irv and all this um jeez yeah i feel like this one feels like the energy even with the lady in the basement like i think i'd rather spend the night at this place than the other one yeah i agree i don't know that i barely remember the last episode but i feel like the vibes here are better i feel the same way like okay good good good and yeah as long as i avoided that one bathroom it seems like everyone else is like pretty jazzed to just talk i feel like what i would do with the bathroom is just i'm not even being facetious i'm serious i would probably like if we were investigating i'd probably just like toss a tampon down toss some chocolate i don't know what are you on the rag is that what you i mean no i know it sounds like that but like i know you mean i would be like what can i offer you that doesn't involve human interaction right you know like here's a candy bar babe like or something yeah or do you want like me to move you to the light i don't know like what's going on here because i'm i'm about to get all intellectual on psychoanalyze you ghost you know i'm about to otherwise like just tell me tell me you're you have cramps and i can get you a mital i don't know you know what i would do first of all i agree i would absolutely be and like what does that say about us the people pleasers that like i'd be gifting her anything to not be mad at me um yeah well i'm just like concerned really i'm sort of like i don't even want evidence from you i just kind of want to make sure like you're not in like hell and can't escape and i'm supposed to like help you out with i don't know this that's a lot nicer than i would still be trying to get evidence but i i think i would do it the way i get evidence that's great right but like also i'm a little scared and i'd kind of make her way to the to the afterlife if that's her plan if i were to get evidence though i still would not go down there i think i would do the zach bagans move of like putting a microphone on a huge boom pole and just slowly weaving it down there and just be like i if you want to say anything you were gonna say do the thing zach base doesn't send you or or even down there and i was like thanks a lot like no or like a camera on a stick and just like kind of fish it over and just you and i would literally tie a gopro onto a tampon and like roll it down there and be like anything not trying to bother you we just want to help but also like will you do us a solid and say hi yeah that's where we'd land i think i i understand i would i i'm glad that we would both at least do something even if it's not good stuff oh i think we'd have to interact with her i'd be like what is the deal yeah what's the deal lend me your ears babe spend me spend me spin me a tail spin me a tail oh that one needs to come back too yeah yeah i need to learn how to say it first but then we can definitely bring it back sure just like how before my story christine had uh an announcement i also have an announcement yes yes it's okay that i put it here please that's perfect that's actually way better i think so uh we had a listener reach out named sydney who has a best friend mally i think that's how we're it's pronounced mally it is um mally's also been a listener for a long time but recently got some news that uh her kidneys are failing and she needs a transplant and because of her blood type um doctors told her that it could take like six to eight years and she needs a transplant and she needs a transplant and she needs a transplant to receive a kidney through the standard wait list it was just devastating so um sydney reached out and was saying that mally's best chance is finding a living donor and sydney actually wanted to donate herself but um wasn't eligible so oh um we're just reaching out to the community to see if this moves anybody to go find out you know for mally or even for somebody in your own life to see if you're a match um and you don't have to be a direct match by the way for to help yale's kidney exchange program can match incompatible donors within a larger network so that can also help how cool mally receive a transplant um so don't count yourself out just because you think you might not be a match but if you're 21 or older and you are interested at all um again for mally uh or again somebody else in your own life if you're curious about organ donation um and being a living donor you can visit yale new haven's living donor program at ynhh.org slash organ donation and you can also call the center for living organ donors at 866-925-3897 all the donor related medical costs are handled by the hospital um and obviously there's zero pressure here but we just wanted to help sydney reach out to the masses she's trying to do a really good thing for her friend and mally if you're listening we hope that you're doing okay with all this and um yeah if you are a match or if you know somebody who might be or is interested um how would you know if you're a match but if you know someone who's interested in finding out if they are then then please reach out through those uh sources yeah that's awesome thank you for um putting that uh putting that so coherently to you and katie who've kind of like um we're in contact with her so yeah that's really that's really scary and um i hope i hope somebody i hope this moves somebody or you know at least gets gets the word out and um lots of love to both of you yeah i uh it's you know we're thank you sydney for also reaching out and being a real homie and trying to help out your friend but i i'm sure that the two of you are not the only uh dynamic going through this right now that listens so it's just a general psa to anybody who might need it yes yes i love that love that well put from the studio that brought you wandavision i was an avenger but i'm not a hero anymore it's like i'm losing you the vision returns for the final chapter of the groundbreaking trilogy that family wasn't real you sure about that i had a father called vision how is this possible don't miss the two episode premiere of marvel television's vision quest nothing bonds a family together quite like mortal jeopardy now streaming only on disney plus chronic migraine is 15 or more headache days a month each lasting four hours or more botox on a botulinum toxin a prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine before they start it's not for those with 14 or fewer headache days a month it prevents on average eight to nine headache days a month versus six to seven for placebo prescription botox is injected by your doctor effects of botox may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing speaking breathing eye problems or muscle weakness can be signs of a life-threatening condition patients with these conditions before injection are at highest risk side effects may include allergic reactions neck and injection site pain fatigue and headache allergic reactions can include rash welts asthma symptoms and dizziness don't receive botox if there's a skin infection tell your doctor your medical history muscle or nerve conditions including als lugarix disease myasthenia gravis or lambert eaton syndrome and medications including botulinum toxins as these may increase the risk of serious side effects why wait ask your doctor visit botox chronic migraine.com or call 1-800-44-BOTOX to learn more okay so i'm going to tell you a story now um this is the story of athalia poncel lindsley and her brutal murder good yeah great good times this one's a weird one it's a doozy okay so athalia first of all love the name athalia it's just something real very ethereal athalia was born marianne fetter on july 25th 1917 in good old toledo ohio her father was a wealthy utilities magnate so she grew up in a wealthy in money like she was wealthy she lived in a wealthy family they actually were so wealthy that they lived in something called a marble palace so okay speaking of like the marble floor of the egyptian uh theater that was and that ended up being dumpster tiles right um modge podge together uh this one was actually a marble palace on the isle of pines south of cuba like this is the yeah of course so it was mine so - Yeah, same, same. - Also like, first of all, you never hear magnate anymore. I would love someone to just be honest and tell us who they are. And they're like, I'm a sexy. It's a sexy word. I think. And I magnet. Oh, which magnet? Oh, the one in the marble palace. Oh my God. I thought you said a witch magnet. And I went, yes, I, that it's that I want that a witch. I would like there to be a magnet involved in magnets, a magnet, magnet, a magnet, magnet. Stupid. Okay. Sorry. I'm the air of the magnet, magnet fortune. I mean, it's just ridiculous. Uh, yeah. So her father was a utilities magnet. Boring. Um, but they lived in a marble palace, of course, uh, on the Isle of Pines, South of Cuba and grew up, uh, in this environment. She was tall. She was described as willowy, beautiful, attended private schools, was raised very, uh, creme de la creme. She moved to Jacksonville, Florida as a young girl and ultimately ended up in New York city, becoming something called a powers model. Um, and I guess what I want to say here is like, this was, I don't know how else to put it, except that she was very much hated. Like, it reminds me of, um, someone divisive today, like someone successful and divisive, like, like using their powers for evil. No, more just like some people are like go girl. And some people are like, um, hateful. I don't know the right way. She was, she was, she was interested in making friends. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. That is so well put. Okay. I knew you'd have the language for it. So she became a powers model. And at the time, a powers model was like quite an elite thing. Um, this guy, John Robert powers was an American actor and he founded a modeling agency in New York city and a modeling school. And so those who wanted to be successful in Hollywood, um, would often attend his sort of training programs. Okay. And, um, his Wikipedia is interesting rabbit hole and definitely has like quite a bit of, uh, controversy in and of itself. Like, so if you want to go down that rabbit hole, I definitely recommend it, but I'm just kind of giving you an idea of her backstory here. During world war two, she played bit parts in Broadway musicals. Um, she was a chorus line dancer. Yup. And then her probably most prominent role, and this is where we get into that found, uh, I almost said found footage that lost footage, hopefully someday found, um, footage because she actually was a television personality for awhile. I know. And she was on the show, a game show called winner. Take all hosted by Bud Collier. I think it's Bud Collier. Pod Collier. Yeah, obviously. Sorry. I just surrounded myself with the magnets and that's how they say it. So you're a game show magnet. I mean, you of all people wouldn't know how to pronounce like old, old, old game shows. And maybe it is Collier, but in his transatlantic accent, I think it was Bud Collier. That's definitely it then let's go with that. Uh, okay. So thank you for that correction. Um, during, so during this time she was sort of like a support role. Unfortunately, we can't fucking know for sure because there's no footage of it because the studios would just tape over all their shows. And once the tapes degraded enough, they'd tossed them. It was just like, they, they saw TV and stuff is like disposable, I guess. And it was like, why would we save this? And now it's just like, has people on the internet ripping their hair out, like desperate for their thesis statement or their dissertation to find something like, I mean, I found forums where people were like, I'm writing my thesis on this person. This was in 2022. Somebody was posting that like, they couldn't find the footage of this and wanted to, and we're writing about her murder and wanted to find this footage. And I was like, me too. I mean, without knowing anything, I, uh, it just immediately feels suspicious that she is a murder victim and lost footage of her is missing. It just, it feels like it's intentional. And I know they're probably two completely separate situations, but it just feels odd. They're definitely separate. And you'll see why I bel, I think unless there's something like way deeper underfoot, um, which I'll always entertain, but I think in this case it is just a coincidence. Uh, but it is kind of an ominous one. Okay. You know, it's just a little ominous that there's no footage of it anywhere. Um, but just was like missing evidence all of a sudden it does. And, and the show winner take all, uh, I guess I don't, I didn't know the show. I mean, it sounds familiar, but it's also like a phrase. So I don't know if I knew the show. Essentially it's one of the earliest televised game shows ever. It paved the way for a lot of other game shows, even though it was like very simple. And like I said, there's no known surviving footage of the show. So we don't really fucking know. Unless you're 105 and watched it in your toddler program or whatever. We said, wouldn't it be crazy if it was like, like it filmed over the, uh, the movie I was talking about and now they're both missing. Oh my God. Just like constant recycled film. Talk about like a haunting, like that feels haunted. There's gotta be a haunted movie reel somewhere. Haunted footage. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Oh my God. Definitely. I don't, I don't doubt that for a second. Okay. So this is kind of a Thalia's whole deal, right? She was also reportedly a friend of the, of Austin Kennedy's and she wintered with them in Palm beach, which is why I was kind of earlier when you said like, Oh, this was the child ghost summer home. I was like, really? We can do that in the afterlife. Um, so she's wintering with the Kennedy's. Uh, she actually dated Joseph P Kennedy jr. And rumor suggested they were engaged, but then he died in that plane crash during world war two. Um, now we kind of fast forward at this point. Um, you kind of know what you need to know about like her backstory. She had been married and divorced twice before she moved. To St. Augustine, Florida in 1971. And in 1973, she married a man named James jinx Lindsley, a successful real estate agent and former mayor of St. Augustine, Florida. I'm sorry, but you just know his tagline is like, we won't jinx. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't jinx it. Vote for jinx. Yeah. Yeah. Brad Corb and my town would hate jinx Lindsley. Now that would be a fanfic. That would be for the ages. That'd be incredible. It's like, but jinx isn't a jinx. Jinx did all. Wow. Something like that. Someone else in the comments, someone smarter than me have fun. He was gonna win it all. There's your prompt. His, his, his latest one was jinxed by. There's something there. We'll work on it. Okay. It's like how, it's like how an orange County, their car dealership is like an orange. We're not a lemon. It's something like that. It's just like that. It's just like that. It's the same thing. Um, it's the same thing. Yeah. So jinx and like, I've had this conversation on this podcast with you before, but it never fails to amuse me when rich people have ridiculous nicknames, like jinx Lindsley. And then we've got, um, you know, I knew a pants. Um, his name was, but her name was pants. Her name was pants. Okay. I know, um, a jock. Oh, she's married to jock. And then, um, there's like, uh, bunny, you know, like the kind of like nickname, like the kind of like country clubby nicknames. And so jinx, just kind of reeks of that to me. I mean, it's a fun nickname, but like just in the time period, knowing he's also like a real estate agent and the mayor. So it just kind of like, you know, I mean, mayor jinx, I'm sorry. There's just so much good promo you could do with that. Okay. It's it writes itself. It really does. I mean, apparently not. Cause you and I cannot fucking write it, but give me more than 30 fucking seconds on the spot, on the spot. You're right. This isn't the game show winner take all. Okay. Uh, okay. So she moves to St. August. And Augustine, um, she's on her third marriage. I say that to just say like, she's kind of like done fucking around with a lot of things in her life. And like you really well put earlier. Um, she's not here to make friends. Okay. She's newly married. Athalia and jinx live in separate houses. Some people make a big deal of this. I don't think it's really that odd. Um, because they're wealthy and like married and in this, the 70, I don't know. I don't think it's that odd, but make, make of that what you will. But Athalia herself lived at one, two, four Marine street. And this was, um, a residence that was valued at about $75,000 at the time, which today is around 600 K. Um, it was a Spanish style residence. Meanwhile, her husband jinx lived at the historic Lindsley house, which again, just remind you is his last name. So I mean, it's kind of like Schultzworth manor. It's like, yeah, right. Jinx Lindsley. I know you, we see each other, you know what I mean? Except like, I think no offense. Um, but I think his is more like, that's actually what the place is. Like, well, he is also a real estate person. I think he found ways to make it official. Mine's just, you make a very good point. But he also was the mayor. See, he was just, he had more power than I did. That's all. That's what I'm saying. I think he just kind of had a little more right to the throne. And I don't say that. Like I say that with, let's not forget, I'm going to be mayor. You'll see. Okay. All right. And you're gonna feel real silly by saying, hi, I will, I will vote for you. Thank you. You're not in my district. I don't think, but that's okay. I will. I'm going to collab with mayor max. And then that'll for you in my heart. Mayor max is a little nearby, by the way. Oh, I almost texted mayor max yesterday. I've told you about me. Texted. Yeah. I, um, I told you a while ago, mayor max. Oh yeah. Oh, I, I, oh, I recall the golden retriever. I didn't know he has a phone though. He mayor max is a golden retriever. He is the honorary, uh, mayor of a town nearby. And him and I now have each other's phone numbers um yeah and i was trying to text uh rj's wife mayor and so i asked my phone hey text mayor and it said what do you want to say to mayor max and i went oh so many things put it away so many things i can't do it right now don't get me started anyway mayor max if you're i have an addendum to issue 2.3 um what do you want to say to mayor max that's hilarious i don't have the time oh anyway oh my god i hate when my phone does that what do you want to say to your old college professor why the fuck would i be texting my old like come on i know okay anyway let's get back to the story so so jinx lives at the historic lindsley house on st george street um while athalia lives on marine street she was described at the time as um feisty outspoken and abrasive so to give you the idea of like you know she wasn't necessarily well liked among those who liked a mild-mannered woman yeah if you're looking for a warm woman it ain't her yeah people didn't like her very much so in the orlando sentinel she was described as quote a sharp tongued aggressive woman who would not have won any popularity contest damn and she probably knew that about herself and she was fine with that big time you have to know if the newspaper is publishing it about you you better know someone's telling you maybe not because you're not friends but whatever yeah open the door and read the room read the newspaper pick a rock drink some coffee fly a kite yeah wow that was harsh uh so in 1970 she actually made an unsuccessful bid for state senator um and she was planning to run for the st john's county commission but in the meantime she got very involved with her community um unfortunately that was often in a very abrasive way and so she would show up at these weekly county commission meetings and she would just like denounce local officials obviously mostly men and she would and so specifically one particular neighbor she had a problem with uh was called alan stanford and he was the county manager and county engineer of saint augustine and the feud that the two of them had began over athalia's pets because like any rough around the edges and slightly unlikable woman she had a menagerie of rescue animals and she had a goat she had six or seven rescue dogs and like for a wealthy woman to be kind of collecting animals like this the neighbor was really pissed and alan basically said the barking is incessant say the sound the smell the sound the smell it's like you know he's thinking i pay for like a house here yada yada and so they get into this feud and like she is not going to back down right so neighbors had actually like not just him but other neighbors including a colonel mccormick had actually filed noise complaints already and he was like i'm not going to back down i'm not going to back down i'm ready and nuisance warrants because of these animals she had whoopsies athalia would then retaliate uh by kind of being a little erratic she would like cut the limbs off their trees typically over the property line but like she was kind of antagonizing them right sure um whether she like knew it or not or whether it was warranted or not it's not for me to say but like she was definitely not calming the fire she was fanning the flames okay um she planted foot tall bamboo to obstruct alan's view so she's just like fucking with the guy she really is saying like just she's just it's a clear boundary she's like i just yeah i just want to separate myself from you deal with it yeah um but also kind of to piss him off yeah kind of poking it poking the bear you know like she didn't need to block his view to like make a point you know what i mean like she's kind of she's kind of antagonizing him and uh she for example goes to you know county meetings and is like he's not fit to run like she's really taking it personally like she's she's not engaging in healthy boundary setting let's put it that way from my humble opinion i think uh she's maybe she's antagonizing him a little bit uh which like fair you can do that it's just unfortunately in this case it did not end well yeah it's rough um so you know they have this feud going i mean it's like out of a sitcom right like you build a really tall fence to fuck with your neighbor and then they get mad so you cut their tree down i mean it's like the classic just neighbor stuff so i'm not trying to like victim blame no it feels like like for now i bet it could be a buddy comedy so far exactly exactly and it's like i wish it just stopped there um like she's got a goat right he's pissed about the pet goat i mean again it's like out of a out of a movie um so the tension just escalated though then made a report a public report claiming that alan lacked the requisite certification to be the county engineer so now she's like coming for the man's job okay alan reportedly told athalia in her driveway you're a vicious and evil woman and one day i'm going to fix you fix you is crazy that's just beyond fix you is crazy i mean really there's some real vitriol in that last half oh it's alarming it's alarming uh at a county meeting in october 1973 athalia basically told the commission this man threatened my life and like it's not cool so the date of the murder was january 23rd 1974 and it was the first day of the chinese new year it was year of the tiger in case you're wondering and i know you were i was athalia and jinx traveled to jacksonville to buy frozen bowls for a quote home-cooked chinese dinner sick you know you know pretty exciting stuff athalia reportedly joked that it was considered unlucky that day to use a sharp instrument especially a knife but oh well they cut up vegetables and made dinner anyway okay it's also unlucky to cut your hair on chinese new year is it yep and you know how i found out because you did it no my brother had a haircut appointment and it got canceled last minute and then the friend we were with was like oh you know it's actually unlucky to get your haircut on chinese new year and we were like what so you know he was spared but fun fact um so she jokes like haha we shouldn't even be using a knife on chinese new year it just is a little bit too foreshadowing i mean too on the nose foreshadowing from the studio that brought you wandavision i was an avenger but i'm not a hero anymore the vision returns for the final chapter of the groundbreaking trilogy that family wasn't real you sure about that i had a father called vision how is this possible don't miss the two episode premiere of marvel television's vision quest nothing bonds a family together quite like mortal jeopardy now streaming only on disney plus chronic migraine is 15 or more headache days a month each lasting four hours or more botox on a botulinum toxin a prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine before they start it's not for those with 14 or fewer headache days a month it prevents on average eight to nine headache days a month versus six to seven for placebo prescription botox is injected by your doctor effects of botox may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing speaking breathing eye problems or muscle weakness can be signs of a life-threatening condition patients with these conditions before injection are at highest risk side effects may include allergic reactions neck and injection site pain fatigue and headache allergic reactions can include rash welts asthma symptoms and dizziness don't receive botox if there's a skin infection tell your doctor your medical history muscle or nerve conditions including als lou gehrig's disease myasthenia gravis or lambert eaton syndrome and medications including botulinum toxins as these may increase the risk of serious side effects why wait ask your doctor visit botox chronic migraine.com or call 1-800-44-BOTOX to learn more the couple returned to saint augustine jinx went to his home on anastasia island athalia went to her home on marine street and according to reports she decided to take her pet on a walk and what pet was it you may ask it was of course and i quote her quote crippled pet blue jay clementine hmm okay now clementine for a walk for a walk was the the disability that he can't fly it's a bird i i'll be honest i don't know all i do know is that she carried him around in a cage i'm assuming so i was like walking a bird's fucking insane that's just i mean jail to a bird look at her she's like walking around with a i know right you're like haha look at what you haha you're on a leash when you could do this so much faster i mean i've seen that when you have like a bird that needs the needs that rehab or something yeah or like needs that sort of outdoor time but like yeah this is not that this is certainly not that and this is also florida and this is also rich people in florida so like it does feel like something only a rich person would do it's like i'm gonna go walk my blue jay my crippled blue jay in her cage i mean and like it's very tiger king all this shit like it's it's it's florida okay it's these rich politician people in florida who all are selling real estate and like just naming things after themselves and like walking their pet birds and like screaming at the neighbors and like gossiping i mean it's just a like like it could have been a a reality show and i would have absolutely watched it you know understood Unfortunately, it ended up like in a much worse place, but. but um as of like up to now you're right buddy comedy like walking a pair like a walking a what was it it just feels like something jim carrey would do it's like yes yeah it's just like a little bit like quirky eccentric offbeat um so okay she goes to walk her pet blue jay clementine and as she exits the home sometime between 5 30 p.m and 6 p.m a middle-aged man in a white dress shirt and dark dress pants quickly approached athalia pulled out a machete and began to hack her to death holy shit i know so it wasn't our our main character it's probably a hired situation since we i'm just gonna say right now we have no idea okay wow so this man in the white dress shirt and dark pants approaches begins to hack at her with a machete she was struck nine times you with this thing and sustained defensive wounds on her arms one finger was severed and when police arrived they described her body as nearly decapitated oh my god fuck it was an extremely brutal and bloody murder it was in public on her doorstep uh just really shocking um her blue and white dress was hiked up when they found her her shoe was lost her pearls were scattered on the floor and the bird was never seen again so someone stole clementine or like they was like you flew away or or yeah who knows yeah no clue so also you learned in that that they weren't robbing her because her pearls are everywhere right um it it does feel like if it were a hired hit it was not done well i don't know i was gonna say it wasn't done well because it was in broad daylight but maybe they wanted it to be a spectacle of like could could very well be and you know that's where this case starts to get really twisty turny is because you're thinking well would they that's what they would want you to think but that's what they would want you to think you know and it kind of goes in that cycle um so you're definitely on to something unfortunately there was um well fortunately there was a witness but unfortunately it was an 18 year old boy named lock mccormick who lived next door and he heard what he described as a peculiar slapping noise while he was just reading a magazine he looked out the window and saw a man swinging his arm downward and walking away toward neighbor alan's property so lock ran inside and told his mother and grandmother and i quote mr stanford is hitting mrs poncel because from his perspective yeah you wouldn't think with a machete hitting that person and walking toward uh mr stanford's house so he's like mr stanford was just hitting her but he didn't really understand the mccormick's found athalia they went over there and they found her in a pool of blood just the worst possible scenario and called the police of course and a trail of blood led from the body toward the driveway at the south side of athalia's home right near neighbor alan's house there was no weapon found at the scene and in february of 1974 a county mechanic named dewey lee searched a marsh miles away to claim a five hundred dollar reward and he did because he was not able to find a package in the marsh containing a blood-stained white shirt dark blue trousers a belt a purple tie and a wristwatch and near this packet was a rusty machete and when they traced the wristwatch back by its serial number it went straight to neighbor alan oh that'll do it the shirt and pants were also identified as having been purchased by alan's wife and his name was written in some of them but this is when you start to get into the theory of is it too obvious she has a public feud with this guy did someone else want her dead and like say well this is easy her neighbor fucking hates her and says he's gonna kill her and then she went to the county whatever and said my neighbor says he's gonna kill me but then again you know you look at every other fucking pattern and guess what a man says he's gonna kill you he just killed her and then she went to the county whatever and said so i mean is it so it could have been him yeah it could i mean could it have been like a stalker who like was obsessed with her on tv or something like i don't i know it's like random but i think it was more an act of i mean all the clothes say his name you know never mind i mean yeah it was definitely like an act of some sort of but the alternate theory being like maybe it was the new husband or somebody who wanted her out of the picture and found the neighbor to be an easy scapegoat do you know what i mean it feels too easy to me it feels too easy but then i'm also like but men have done worse for not worse but like men have done shit like this for like lesser insults or like you know what i mean so i'm like it could very well just be he had no he wasn't in control of his fucking i mean i guess you like you have to have a very specific level of rage to not think to at least do it in a place where nobody's gonna see yeah red to do that i think i'm gonna get away with this or i don't even think about getting away with it right exactly my thoughts exactly it's sort of like either he was so fucking pissed that he like lost any semblance of i've got to cover this up because i have an important job i want to keep and he just totally threw that out the window or it was somebody like kind of pointing it to him so like trying to peg it on him yeah yeah i agree because i just found that really strange but you know sometimes it is just the simplest answer so anyway we'll get to it so we get now back to the investigation um alan after finding after this package was found and like that too you know people have pointed to like oh a packet with his clothes that have his name on it like doesn't that feel a little obvious but it's also like well yeah if you have clothes you killed someone in you would you would hide them you know in the woods or something so i i go back and forth either way he's arrested because of course and indicted for first degree murder four weeks into the investigation um at the trial defense attorney edward booth argued that the sheriff's office had planted the evidence to frame alan which is like a huge claim to say that the sheriff's office planted this um but that's because they had this sort of alternate theory they were presenting to the sheriff's office and they were saying that the sheriff's office had planted the evidence to frame alan which is like a huge claim to say that the sheriff's office booth suggested that the mechanic who had found the clothes and stuff dewey lee could have committed the crime and then planted them uh to get the reward um he also claimed like maybe it was her somebody else because you know she's so unlikable right like she had a lot of enemies yeah anybody exactly he actually characterized her as an obnoxious strange and vicious woman with many enemies um and the neighbor when they brought him up lock um under cross-examination he actually recanted that it was mr stanford and he said the kid the killer he saw was actually heavier with more hair so it's like unclear resemble the guy like which guy sorry uh that so it does that's so he's basically saying he wasn't canting right but he wasn't the mr stanford or what's his al yes he's yeah alan stanford he's saying oh this guy was way heavier and had more hair than alan stanford couldn't have been him um and it was further complicated because the sheriff had actually had him interviewed under hypnosis so now one's arguing like well is his story now true or is it like less true it's just unclear like he's changing his story so that kind of makes it more confusing um witnesses provided an alibi stating that alan uh was actually in his office at the time of the murder and so whether these people were telling the truth or were part of some other plan um the jury deliberated for only two to two and a half hours and uh interestingly enough side note during deliberations the jurors were served a quote dinner on the county and that's fucking bribery babe yeah like the guy works for the county the guy who's get on trial for murder like lest we forget i feel like i feel like it could have been him and even if it wasn't him even though the neighbor is saying oh well i don't think it was him because he was heavier or whatever i mean i know what my neighbors look like and and the sheriff like made him go under hypnosis to like it's just the whole thing reeks of something weird i think if i saw if i looked at the window and i saw someone hitting or stabbing my neighbor i would know pretty immediately if who it was like for him to so quickly go oh it was it was alan and then yeah like oh well he's heavier and like fuck that like he also could have looked heavier because he was hunched over stabbing a dead woman like yeah but then you wonder like he just maybe assumed it was him and never saw his face do you know what i mean like maybe it was like i guess so i maybe i'm like reading too much into like what i would do but like if i saw someone i i would you're right you're right i'd be like who is that who is doing that you wouldn't just say that must be alan like you're like my if someone were attacking someone even if it was on their front step you wouldn't assume it's the next door neighbor you'd be like who's attacking my next door neighbor especially if they're in a small town everybody knows everybody and this guy is like a major player that everyone knows you don't and they've got beef and you know that he's two doors down from you i mean and one of the sources i saw him say like that the stature or the walk reminded him of him and i'm like well then i think maybe we can trust i think he was just a kid and he was scared of like accusing someone who has power and lives two doors down yeah yeah i agree i'm sure he was threatened if this guy is paying the the jury or giving the jury all this really nice meal to like shut them up or we talked about some way i'm sure he also bribed or secretly threatened this 18 year old kid who was like your mom and your grandma live here and like some yeah and you know what i'm capable of like he could have said anything or like who knows or even the sheriff said you can't fuck with you can't fuck with the count like he's on the county you can't you have to do this or that like what are you gonna do you know if the sheriff tells you yeah so i agree it's definitely shady um this feels this feels like a closed case to me i mean it's like once you put it out all out like that it feels pretty obvious um so they of course paint her as having lots of enemies and it could be could be anyone um and then like you know two hours of deliberation while they eat dinner on his dime um he's found not guilty so share the sheriff says he refuses to pursue anyone else he says um he believed he had the right man when he did and now it's just everybody's just gonna move on so you think that's the end oh it's not okay so of course you can imagine that this murder stirred up some drama in town and stirred up a lot of talk this woman was already divisive she was well known she'd been on she'd been a television personality she was married to the former mayor like she's this is a big deal she was murdered to death with a machete on her front step like this is big news so when reporters are going around like talking to those who knew her one of her friends she's like oh my god she's friends Francis Bemis was her name she was like a friend who lived nearby and she was like you know what I'm actually like writing she did have a lot of people that didn't like her very much and I'm actually writing a book about this case on my friend's murder because I'm like trying to get to the bottom of it she was a 76 year old PR specialist newspaper writer and fashion director so she was very much like high up for a woman of that time like in the career world you know and so she was like I'm gonna write about this and she was very open about that she was gathering material for a book about Athalia's death she claimed she had information pertinent to the case but she told people like I am not afraid of this beautiful community we have I'm still gonna go on my daily walks she actually even insisted that she had taken a walk the night Athalia was killed and I was like okay I don't know I love your commitment to the bed but like yeah it's a little bit like that's not really a nice thing to say but um okay yeah sure so anyway she goes on these daily walks and she insists that like the community's still safe and we fast forward 10 months November 3rd 1974 Francis goes for her nightly walk and disappears it's this fucking guy like what are you talking about it's this fucking guy okay her body is found the next day in a vacant lot near the corner of bridge and marine streets her skull had been crushed with a concrete block yeah that's as violent as getting stabbed with a fucking machete until you're almost decapitated it's the same guy yeah and her body was partly burned to destroy evidence but like it didn't work so they just left everything there um and like remember she's a PR specialist and a professional writer and was reportedly gathering evidence about this murder and was gonna write a book about it and she went on her daily routine walk like and talked about it in the newspaper I mean it's just horrible I mean it's just horrible I mean it's just horrifying so like of course the story immediately became like oh my god Francis knew something she knew too much and she was too open about it and um you know she wanted to reveal it and was killed to keep her quiet um especially because she was known for being so outspoken and she even insinuated to friends like I have more information than I can even let on sorry there's like teenagers outside they sound like they're having fun this is their 10 minutes where they get to giggle with someone scream and like play with you doing backpacks I know we were the same I get it I do someone's probably stealing a boy's baseball hat right now yes and like where oh my god you're so right and someone's just like longingly like jealous oh that was me every time that was me too okay so her murder occurred on November 3rd 1974 I know I said this already but it's important because roughly 10 months after Othelia's death is when this took place and this was also while preparations were being made for the trial of Alan Stanford so don't you think maybe she would have been somebody that was called upon to testify if she did have surely do so the killer had ripped off her clothes and attempted to burn the body to destroy evidence but failed but there was no evidence of sexual assault so that like further pointed to this motive of you know trying to silence her despite the high profile nature of this crime and like the compounding effect of the fact that she was able to get away with it and that she was able to get away with it and I don't know if that's true but I don't know if that's true but I don't know if that's true but I don't know and basically yielded no suspects no leads like just fizzled out beyond me just beyond so the St. Augustine Police Department actually reopened the case in 2012 because they wanted to apply more modern DNA testing to the evidence but they actually were not able to really get much and so both cases to this day remain unsolved like that's the stupidest one to be unsolved it's isn't that infuriating and it's just the story of like a successful woman that everyone hated like and the men or like a powerful man who gets away with it got away with it because their feelings were hurt or what there was a goat outside I know that's simplifying it I know okay guys but like come on it's crazy I'm just sick of this shit it just it just feels so obvious to me yes it's so fucking obvious it's like we have we finally have a like a fun character with a fucking burn and it seems like it's going to be a great TV show and like you know it started so silly right like it was like a buddy comedy for a minute and then you had to go and fuck it all up pisses me off well what are the odds that we're bummed again uh well my stomach just turned because now I have to go to jujitsu and I'm terrified take a Klonopin like a little no then I'm gonna just fall asleep oh right right right I was thinking more like of a like a propranolol situation where like it just makes you a little less nervous but I understand yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah maybe I'll uh maybe I'll just uh do a 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