E484 A Ghost Ensemble and a Witch Magnate

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It's, yeah, I'm not getting this, I have to stifle the sounds that come out of me when I'm drinking. I'm like, it is so delicious. Oh, you know what, you'll see, they'll all say, do you have any, do you have any first of all calm down? Second of all, I don't know that I want to see. Third of all, do you have any tourists in your chart? Because you're really getting, you're giving me some tourist vibes. And you know, I've been studying my astrology and I'm just like, you know, a lot of sensory, you're very into like, tastes and feeling, feels of like. Well, thank you. I take that as a comment. I don't know. I really, other than my big three, don't know anything. Just a, I don't know. You'll see, you'll all see. I'll see. I'm telling you, what about you? Do you have any tourists in your chart? I do. My mercury is in tourists, isn't that fun? I think I didn't realize that and I learned that and I thought that's strange. It doesn't fit me. And then I kind of thought about it. And I was like, I guess it sort of does. It's like direct communication, like kind of like straight to the point, like very like grounded communication. But I'm also like, I don't know. I'm kind of a total airhead. So I feel like most of my conversations are far from grounded. So I'm kind of reconciling with tourists, but you have Gemini. I mean, not to just know your chart, but you have Gemini in your mercury. Yeah. Oh, remember your, yeah. So that makes sense for you. You know, very Gemini energy, yeah, but I don't know what the tourist about me says. But, um, well, that's exciting. I'm glad you got your eyes rolling to the back of your head over that gross looking water bottle. It does look gross. I every time I see someone with a water bottle and there's something not clear. Like a different color. Yeah. Same. What is? Oh, my God. I took a sip of blaze's water bottle. He didn't know this. And I was like, what the fuck? It wasn't like gin, but it was like some razzlem situation. I almost like vomit it. I was like, I didn't, I don't like that. It's a mystery liquid in this water bottle, like a water bottle is for water. I know a lot of people disagree with that. But for me, I'm like, I have my cups for powder stuff and I have my cups for water. I have my, um, I have that same feeling. Well, I have the anxiety of that happening. Every time I go to a restaurant and get iced tea, because I'm like, what is your version of this? I don't want anything. It could be anything. I ordered it, but I don't want it. I would prefer safety. Read the room. Yeah. Because some people like, like, there's one mirror. Where there's a restaurant down the street where we're like, oh, can we get an iced tea? And they're like, oh, do you want the, what's it called? Like the fiesta tea? And I'm like, I don't want that at all. That's like hell. Please just give me some dirty, ground dirty water please. Sounds like hell. Yeah. Oh, boy. So, so you drink your razzlem. Okay. Well, do you have a reason why you drink this week? Not an interesting one. It's just, it's so effing hot the summer has come. I don't like it. I was really last, last week, two days ago, I went to the dog park and I went with a blanket wrapped around me and it was like nice and chilly. And like everyone was cozy. All of a sudden, hottest experience of my life roasting sweat and like then yesterday, then I went to the dog park within, it was a 24 hour period. Yesterday, when everyone was like, the dog gets 20 minutes and then we're all going home. Oh, my God. We've got a rash in it. I mean, and like, that's when I see the razzlem come out. And I'm like, I sometimes you really need like a hydration supplement. And like the vessel is going to be a clear water bottle. And it's just how it is today, because it's just summertime. Get over it. I mean, is that your, is that right now? This is my Varkiri and Taurus, maybe it's, it's coming into its own. Get over it. Get over it. Fucking close the door and kick a rock or two. You a fuckhead. Were you trying to Jersey shore that for a second and then for God's halfway through? Probably open the door and fucking realize it. Realize it. Step through it. Fucking kick a rock or two and get with the pro. And kind of try to stir at it. So fly a fucking kite up your own act, if you will. Oh, my. You know, and all I said was they'll all see and that was crazy for you. Wow. And that set me into a tizzy. But you know what, and it was also inspiring. Thank you. You know what I miss? Wake up and smell the coffee. Now that's good. No, that was a good name. That's really good. That's really good. Remember that weird folder's commercial where like the brother and sister. Like like making out. You made a face like you do it. No. And then you said, yeah, they banged and I went up a guide. We're on the same page here. Yeah, it was for sure. Like the banging part is certainly not on camera. But it's before and after fucking read the room. Boo, buddy. If you don't mind, they should be kicking rocks in like separate rooms. Like, uh, they should be separated for sure. They should open the door and then close it between them. What's the shit they say? Like, oh, my Christmas gift is you. I dare you. Hey, hey, hey, hey, I dare you. For Christmas, it's around the corner. I want you to just don't say that. I just need you to put a bell on your stupid fucking head and walk over to Sandy. If you don't think that we have already played this joke on our own family, like listen, when that came out, we were both. I think it was like we're in high school or something. And it was the worst possible time for everyone to be making, like, sibling incest jokes. And we were like, this is not funny. But for a while there, it was the joke. And I think probably Renee spearheaded that campaign that I, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, you're onto something and I don't necessarily look forward to the reboot. But it might have to happen. For the views, you're telling me you don't want to throw a bow on Sandy's head and say, you're my gift this year? Yeah. Read the room, people. It's the vibe has shifted. God, I'd pay so much. I would pay so much to see that it would be beautiful. To see sibling incest, okay. Well, no, just the bow part. Okay, just the, just the bit, just like the bit. I just want to see got it. I just use the one liner and the reaction and then fade to black. That's all I want. Okay. Well, we'll I'll make sure to put a cross fate in there just for the fade to black. And I'll put credits at the end with your name on it just to give you the kind of kind of credit. But thank you. I appreciate it. Now, other than the very specific vision I just put in your head, why do you drink those drinks? Well, certainly that's now top of the list. There are so many reasons. You know, it's like every day I'm like finding a new reason to just have an existential crisis. But I think we're all in the same boat, right? And then today I woke up and I thought I'm going to post a tarot reading on TikTok. What? What? Who's that? I don't know. I'm a, I'm a tourist. Myös tullut, mitä ei ole mitään. Ja niin, mitä ei ole mitään. You know, find out. And so I posted this video and I'm kind of freaking out 'cause I'm like, what am I doing? You know, like imposter syndrome? 'Cause I don't know, I do a lot of tarot, but I do it like at home by myself or with like blaze or my brother or my mother and that's about it, or Lyona, but she usually just ignores me. But so I'm like, you should do it. But then I'm like, oh, it's so, it's odd to like have people like watch it, you know? - Well, 'cause you're just like, "Who's gonna mansplain it to you in some way, tarot?" - Or just like, it's like putting yourself out there, you know, a little bit. And so it's fun, but I'm just exploring. And then also I drink because speaking of exploring, I've been trying new things kind of like you. Like, I've been practicing watercolor for fun, like I mentioned, and I'm actually today, and I'm literally, I'm gonna just poop my pants, I'm so nervous, I'm going to blaze a jujitsu gym later. - To do, to watch 'em? - To do a class. - Okay. - I know. - That's fine. - Help. (laughing) - Why are you scared just 'cause you don't wanna, this performance anxiety? - Yeah, I guess, and I'm just like, I don't know, I've never been to his gym before. Like, okay. - Are you worried he's gonna see? - I'm like worried he's gonna see, and also not see. I'm like, I'm worried he's gonna be there, and then I'm worried he's not. - Are you worried his friends are gonna say something? - Yeah, well, no, okay. So his friends are the ones who are so, okay. So Blaze has been going to this gym for a while, and I've been, we're very, Blaze and are very independent in our own ways. Like, we're very close, when we're together, but then like, we have, like you and Allison, right? Like, very separate, like we do our own hobbies, and then we like, reconvene and discuss. And so he's been doing Jiu-Jitsu for years now, and he teaches a foundation's course, and by the way, shout out to their gym, 'cause it's lovely, it's called Bendu, and it's in Northside Cincinnati, and they are so welcoming, and that's why I'm going, because I'm just proving to myself, like, hey, Blaze and his friend, Blaine, by the way, shout out to Blaine and Blaine. - I'm like, actually, that's like, - Don't even. - This is an anime. - Get me, thank you. Don't even get me started, okay? So, Skyly also teaches, shout out to Skyly. She teaches the Women's class, and I'm excited and terrified, and they have kids classes. It's just a very welcoming environment, and they built it, Blaine built it out of like, a place that they were before, that was not quite such a welcoming environment, let's say. So today, I'm finally joining the Women's class for the first time, and Blaze is like excited, and I'm excited, and I just am nervous, but yeah, if anybody wants to, and apparently it's very low key. Like Blaze said, just, it's just more about technique. There's no crazy training or exercising. It's very just kind of focused on the basics of Jiu-Jitsu, and I have no clue what I'm doing, but I'm really in this era of figuring out what the fuck is going on with the world. So I figured, why not fuck it? - That's very cool. I think it'll be really good at it. - Thank you, I don't think so, but it's fine, and it also looks a little bit like, I'm like, everyone's just rolling around with each other on the floor, it feels a little bit like. - Hey! - Hey, yay, and Blaze said that-- - And that's partly the joke of-- - Soon be able to roll around together, I don't know. - Oh, for the first time. - For the first time. - Yeah, no, I have a friend, not out here, but she came to visit, and she does Jiu-Jitsu, and she was like, let me just show you, and then, ka-blam, I was on the fucking ground. - On the floor. - And she's, itty-bitty, and oh, that's not, and she, I mean, I know that's like the whole thing. It's like, it's not about, but anyway, I was KO'd before I was, even aware what was happening. - I know, and like, that happened to me when I was little, I was like 13, and my, I had this cousin, or I do have this cousin, Magda, and she's like, just one of my faves, no fence to all my other cousins, but Magda is just like, one of those people where you're like, oh my God. And she would take me under her wing for the best and for the worst. And one time, so she won this like, she won like the Austrian, I'm probably misquoting this, but like the Austrian judo championships, like- - That's incredible. - Yeah, at like age 20, or so, I don't know, something like that. And one day, I kind of like jokingly was like, I could beat you up. Literally, I don't remember. I just suddenly couldn't breathe, and I was looking at the side. - You felt a little Tweety bird circling around you. - 100%, and I was just like, I couldn't breathe. I'd like the wind was knocked out of me, and I was like, cool. Yeah, never, never making that joke again. - But how cool if you get, not even really good, just a little grin over the sun, you just go, oh, by the way, Magda, I think I could kick your ass again. And then- - I would love to kick her ass. - She, you know, she would destroy me. She coaches like the national, no, she doesn't coach the national women's soccer league. She coaches some sort of high-up women's soccer, she'd probably still kick my ass, but man, I want to try it. - And I mean, I really do think you would be very good at it. I don't know what, there's something in your spirit, it must be that Taurus and your Mercury or some shit. - Yeah. - Can you imagine if after your first like big spa, or I don't know, battle, whatever they fucking call it? - Yeah, yeah. - Imagine you throw some girl on the ground, and they go, sorry, I'm a Taurus and Mercury, you wouldn't understand. - Oh my God, and she'd be like, oh my God, me too. (laughing) - I love girlhood. - I love girls. That's why I'm excited. I'm like, and Leona's gonna come, 'cause they're gonna pick me up, and then I take Leona home and blaze to teach us his class. And I'm like, oh my God, we're like, all going to the same dream, and I'm so scared. And so excited. - Is Leona in class? - She's not yet, but I think like in the next couple of years, she's gonna start, she really wants to. - Yeah, no, I always told Allison that, I don't give a shit of what hobbies our kid has. I'm not gonna force him into a quote, common sport, but my only non-negotiable, especially if we have a daughter, would be self-defense, you just have to know it. - Yeah, I just think at this point, like if you're gonna pick a hobby, like, let's, let's do that one. - Let's do that one, yeah. And then water coloring and poetry also for the softer side. - You know, to cut with a knife, but like psychiatrically. - Yeah, that sounds bad. - It just sounds bad, but it's just be philosophical and try to talk things out and be in tune with your feelings. - With words, you know. - Yeah. - I'm an air sign. I don't know if you know that about me. - Oh, okay. (laughs) I'm very proud of you. How long does it take for someone to like get like, I'm such an asshole. I was gonna call it a ribbon. What's the bell? - What the fuck do I have to do with a ribbon? - Go over the place and be like, oh my God, your ribbons are so cute. - Oh my God, can I tie it in a bow? Can I tie it in a French knot? Can I braid it? I know. It's like, I don't know, and I don't fucking know anything. - Well, I was gonna say it might be an incredible fear. - For the dopamine spike, they're like, how often are you getting them, you know? So I've been taking guitar. - Oh, right. Oh, wow. - Yeah. Fun fact. - Did not know, how is that going? Are you singing too or just playing bat? (laughs) Do you get a medal, a ribbon for that? - Well, so they go by like, it's literally, I go to a little kid's guitar place. - Good. - And I told them, I need you to, this is not a moment where you get to like, act all cool and you know chords and shit. I need you to treat me like, I just got my brain yesterday. - Totally. - Yeah. - And if you think what you're about to say might be technically a complex at all, for like, eight-grader, make it dumber. - Dumber. - And one of the things they do at this like, meant for children guitar place is that they go by like, the one of them, jiu-jitsu, karate, whatever. They go by the same belt system, but they use picks. (laughs) So I'm trying to be a white pick. But then after you like learn a certain amount with them, then you get, like you have to, there's a whole ceremony of the swap out blue with a different color. I don't, I think it's purple, I don't fucking know. - Wow. - But, oh, there's a bug. I'll kill it later. Anyway, I am. - Wow. - It was a nat. We're fine. - Mr. Miyagi. (laughs) - That'd be crazy if I just picked it up and just went, ooh, anyway, I'll get that later. Anyway, good luck with your martial arts, okay. (laughs) I'll be at the guitar with my black belt. (laughs) - Anyway, that's the closest. - I can't wait 'til you're a black belt in the guitar, and I'm a black belt in jiu-jitsu. - That would be sick. And I'll-- - Well, one of your team signs when you walk out. - Oh my God. It's gonna be like nothing anyone's ever seen. - By the way, when you get your black pick, there's like literally like, you get your name on the wall. - Shit. - I know. - I cannot wait for that day. - Memorialized forever. So, anyway, I'm very proud of you. And I hope you stick with it long enough to get one belt because then I just know in the magic that is ADHD is all of us and you'll be a black belt very quickly. - It's just, you know, it's like the slippery slope that we love and hate. - You need a reward, a fun little treat. And if the fun little treat is something you can also wear, are you kidding me? - Exactly, and it comes in color. - And you get to meet up boys. - Oh my God, I just want to beat up a boy so bad. - I get it. - Okay, I want to say one more thing before we get into the episode. This part is like awkward and uncomfortable, but we have to discuss it because we want to be as transparent with you as always. We're discussing ad placement today, very briefly. We, first of all, if you're like fuck ads all the way, I get it, go to Patreon. Ad free episodes, took us a while to get there 'cause it took a lot of logistics, but Megan and Jack are kicking ass, making ad free episodes on Patreon. 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Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours with flexible all day comfy grip. No tightness, no stickiness, no residue, just plump, dewy hydrated skin that still feels like your skin. Try new grippy setting mist from Mavily New York. Maybe it's Mavily. I, let's see, if you recall, this is a part two. I do recall. Oh, okay. That would have been real silly if I went. So anyway, here's a random topic and you had to call me at the open show. So you've never had to call me because the rest of us, I've remembered the three times I failed at bringing up a second part of the story that I was meant to. So don't worry about that. I do remember it's a part two because before every episode now, I ask myself if it's a part two for myself because I have to otherwise I will forget. You know what? You do what you have to do. That's okay. Thanks. Do you remember what the part two, what the part one was? It was the Egyptian theater. Oh, shit. Okay. I'm really just going nuts today with the brain. Funny is I didn't remember and then you asked me and I said, I don't, but let me take a wild guess and it just kind of came back. I feel like I just saw like all the synapses in your brain, like really go overdrive to find it. Yeah. Yep. The file folder. Yeah. Found it real quick. And yeah. So I do remember it's the Egyptian theater, but it's not the Idaho one. It's the other one. Oh my god. Okay. I forget what it is. Iowa. Illinois. Wow. Fuck. Fuck. I'll see myself out. I'm, why don't you just do the notes at this point? Like you really just killed it. You just every single home will be there you. Okay. Well, whatever. Thank you so much. Listen, what can I say? There's no rhyme or reason for any of it. Well, you're right. This is the Egyptian theater, but this one is not in Boise, Idaho. This is in the cowboy Illinois. Okay. I feel like I've heard that. I think I've. Nope. I don't know. I know it's near Chicago. Okay. Sure. So once you hear the word Chicago, all the other ones feel smaller because they sort of feel like just a suburb. Yeah. So, um, and remember the reason that this even came to be this story was because I thought I was covering one Egyptian theater and then the information kept sounding just a little off. And so I kept going, what the fuck is going on? And then I ended up finding out I was covering two topics back so at once. And I told you that that information, when I say it was just a little off, everything was only off by like one or two years. The same reasonings for things, the same chronology was like all of it just was a little too close that it took me a while to realize it's not the same place. So I will try to rush through the history of this because I already did it last week, basically. Right. But this theater was open in 1929 versus 1927 at the other one. And this is also on the National Registry of Historic Places, which it happened in the 70s, just like the last place. And again, this was designed with an Egyptian theme after the United States's Egyptian craze and the 20s when King Tut's tomb was discovered. At one point, I mentioned this last time, but at one point, there was around like a hundred Egyptian theaters. And in my mind, I would think just make this a franchise at this point. Yeah. It's crazy. Because you would think, oh, these are all clearly one of the same thing, but they were all different and everyone just thought they had the original idea. I mean, I guess back then, you don't have like fucking go daddy to check if the domain is taking. So like they're already kind of like Egyptian theater, but nobody knows that there's a hundred. I'd be tripping if I worked on an Egyptian theater and then traveled somewhere and saw another Egyptian theater. And I'd be like, I didn't approve this. Uh-oh. Like same pillars or columns and like same decor. I'd be like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah. So apparently they were all just individual theaters, just all the same idea. And now there's only seven left in the country. There's L.A. Boise, this one, and then there's one in Colorado, one in Oregon, two in Utah. Okay. Fun fact. So the cost for the total design of this place was a quarter million dollars, which today is about five million dollars. Jesus. Yeah. And the original plan, which the other one did not have, the original plan is that this was going to be kind of the beginning of a mega complex in the 20s. Really. A hotel was going to be attached to it. Restaurants were going to be attached to it. It was just going to be one of multiple margaritaville and resort, if you will. Yes. I think. Yeah. You get it. You see, I do. Why'd I even, I can't believe I was going to give you an example. That's so embarrassing. It's ridiculous. So it was going to be essentially a bit of a resort kind of thing, but then the sock market crashed. Whoops. It's easy. And the whole plan was canceled, but this theater was allowed to finish its building because it was literally in the middle of being built when the socks were crushed. And they're spending five million dollars on it. It's like, fuck, you kind of sunk cost here. Exactly. Like what are you going to do? You got to keep going, I guess. Exactly. It's like, well, let's see what happens. Let's see do. Yeah. So yeah. So the sock market crashed and they were like, well, let's just keep building, I guess. It was originally supposed to be, although it was a theater, you would think movie theater, it was supposed to be both Baudville and a movie theater. Okay. Okay. And not just both Baudville and movies, but in the movie realm, it was going to be both silent and the talkies. Ooh, not the talkies. Which was the first theater that was going to be doing that around here. So exciting, exciting big news. Big deal. Not just motion picture, but motion and sound pictures. Love that. And another fun fact for you, the opening day admission was a quarter or 50 cents based on if you were an adult or child. Oh, okay, it was like based on - What exactly? Okay. - Fair enough. - That's fair, that's fair. - But yeah, 50 cents for a movie, incredible. - Yeah. - Wow. - That being said, within a couple of years, like literally two years, they realized that the Vodville thing wasn't working. And I mean, once you've got the talkies, you're really pushing, like Vodville is just old, old, old, no one wants that anymore. They want the talkies. - Those little kids, it's probably those kids aren't coming for Vodville anymore, not with the talkies, no. - They even tried for a second to make it where like Vodville would be the act in between the movies while they were like putting in the new real, and then that way. - So embarrassing. - Yeah, but it's like, oh, so now you're just like, the gesture on stage in between bits. - And you are like, it's like awkward. You're like the vamp guy, you know? - Yeah, you're like the MC or something. - Oh, I'm vamping. Yeah, and like everyone's like, when's the movie start? Oh, that sucks. - Yeah. - Yes, exactly right. And I feel like it was probably, maybe they're really excited that like, nobody does Vodville anymore. This is my big break to bring it back. And they were like, we're gonna get started. - I'll finally prove it. - Yeah. Well, so it went straight to just beginning a movie theater. The first movie was a horse racing comedy. I would say the name, but apparently it is a now racist term. - No. - Yep. But it was a horse racing comedy, where I guess the, it's hard to understand what the movie was about, but it sounds like it was some guy who happened to share the same name as a famous jockey, but this guy doesn't like horses. He's horrified of horses. And he ends up rescuing someone who's like on a horse by accident. And because of his name, which is the name of like a famous jockey in the area, they thought he was the jockey. And he was like, I think trying to impress a girl. And so he pretended to be the jockey. And then he ended up being like signing up to impress her for like a horse competition. And then like every Disney Channel original movie. - Literally, because I'm assuming that the real jockey was also there being like, what the hell are you doing here signing up for me, you know? - Oh my word. Oh my word, it sounds hilarious, what can I say? - I do say I can't tell you everything about this movie. I'm like really guessing a lot of that plot because it is lost footage. - Oh. - So all we have is like the description of what it was. - Do you know what's so weird is that I have a whole bit, not a bit, but like a segment on my, story today about lost footage. - Fine, weird. - Love that. - Mm-hmm. - One thing that was not lost was the movie poster. And let me tell you the tag line. The gasps of an earthquake, the yells of a earthquake. (laughing) It just sounds like something. Hopefully someone says about us. I don't know. - Not earthquake. There's also an IMDB two fake reviews about this movie. - Cool. - Which I did think in the, and it is no mod, to be shoe sandy, I thought I would read the reviews to you. - Yay. - But the reviews were not actually that good. Like a naughty, like not fun. - Yeah. - Which I'm sure you've run into. - All the time. - So the two reviews seemed to be like, one was more informational about like anything we can find on this movie. - Great. - The other one was funny in that it rated the movie a five out of 10, having obviously never seen it. - Right. - Because the movie was lost a hundred years ago. So anyone who was alive to see it certainly isn't operating IMDB. So it's definitely fine. - You don't know that. - It could be a very tech savvy 104 year old who saw it as a toddler. - You were totally right. - I remember it to this very day, like it was yesterday. - I got to get on that IMDB and talk about this movie. - What if he just ended up bitching about the Vodville Act in the middle. Like if they got rid of that fucking Vodville, I would have been able to enjoy the movie. So all he did was juggle the cane took forever to get out. - So embarrassing. - Like get rid of this guy. - So yeah, fun fact, somewhere between the 40s and 50s, the film was destroyed because it was contaminated. But then like do you know in that moment, like this is the only copy forever? - Do you care? - Do you care? Like all that money? - Does it feel like Warner Bros. himself has destroyed it. - Wow, it's just, why did they just, what do you mean it was, what was wrong with that? - I guess the film negatives were deteriorating. - Oh, so it's just like busted. It's not like, - It's not like they were just like fuck this movie. - Oh wow, that's just pretty wild. - But you would think they wouldn't they have had a second release? - Okay, so I'm real. - No, so what they did apparently, because at least for my story today, what I talk about is television shows, but they used to just tape over them or throw them out. Like once the footage got deteriorated enough, they would just toss it, and they would just like record over things. So you would never get like a hard copy of anything until you were able to record them at home. 'Cause the studios would just like retap over them, which is why I so much, I don't know about movies, but for TV shows, a lot of shows are lost 'cause they would just tape over them. - So there was just no ability to make a second copy? - They just didn't, they just didn't. - That's so weird to me that that wasn't anybody's first fucking thought. - I think it's like, they just thought like, oh, this is kind of like temporary media sort of, like nobody thought to save it. - I know, true. - That's actually like that. - All that money into it, like you don't want this to be. - It's just so bizarre. I guess like once you lose the original on your copy is deteriorating, what are you gonna do? I don't know. - Well, one of the, I guess, solutions was a fun fact about this movie, which the only reason I brought it up is 'cause it's the first movie that played in the theater and I thought it would be some nice banter. But fun fact, I guess they could tell the negatives were deteriorating. I'm guessing on that. But before it ever became loss footage or before they ever decided to throw it away, in 1938, they remade the movie. - Oh, under a completely different name with completely different cast. - Completely different character names. - Was it like shot for shot? It was just like totally different movie. - I think it was a different movie 'cause even like the characters' names are totally different. - So they basically were like, "Fuck this movie." I know you said they weren't like that, but like in some ways they were kind of like, "Fuck this movie, we'll just redo it." - I wonder if they were like, I always wanted to end differently. - And then they just decided to redo it. But they also, they cast bigger people, like they had like Louis Armstrong and like Ronald Reagan when he was an actor in it. - Oh my word. - In this new version. So anyway, if you want to watch the remake, it's called Going Places from 1938. Okay. As I mentioned earlier, the theater was opening, was in the middle of construction as the soccer crash. So there were a lot of budgetary cuts. I need everybody to hear this because the gasp that came out of me was just gobsmacked. So for one to cut out of their budget, they had the ceilings lowered. So it wasn't taller and more grand. - Lower the ceilings. - Lower the ceilings, we don't have enough drywall to keep going. (laughing) - Just duck, it's fine, we'll duck. They'll duck. - The no balcony for us, just. - Yeah, they're gonna be sitting anyway, who cares? Crawl to your seat. - There was, there was, they originally planned to have like these really fancy. I think it was like marble floors, but then they couldn't afford the marble. And so they literally went to other construction sites around the area and collected the scrap tile. And then like had to mosaic it all together on the floor. - Oh my God. - Which it ends up actually looking very beautiful now, but like, imagine thinking, I'm just gonna throw a one slab of fucking marble on the ground and call it a day. - That's literally out of one of those shows. - And now it's like TV shows. - It's actually a puzzle. - Yeah, that's, but that's one of, out of one of those fucking whack TV shows from the 90s or early 2000s, where they're like, Sandra took tissue paper and made this lamp out of it. - Yeah. - Because one time, 10-year-old Tanya did a school project about lamps. And now her room is called the lamp room. And we've made it all out of tissue paper. And it probably set fire the moment I leave. - I know exactly what you're talking about. - Right, like that show, a talking sense or something sense with C-E-N-D-F-S. - Yes. - It's like so. - Making sense. - Just dig into what? Maybe? - Maybe talking sense was it. But I know exactly what you're talking about where it was like, everything was unnecessary. - And you're just like, are you just like, it's like stapling curtains to the wall. Like, it's like how I behave. And I'm like, who paid for these people to go into other people's homes and behave this, and behave this way? - You know what? I hope you write a letter to them and go, how do you behave this way? How do you. - Who let you do this? 'Cause I'd like to do this. And I don't. I haven't been given this kind of budget or go ahead. - How was it for you? - Or go ahead. - Yeah. - How, who agreed with this? And can I take over? - Thanks. - So the other, the thing that really floored me and only for personal reasons was that the other big cut that they did was they got rid of the AC. Oh my God. Like just fucking bulldozed the building. - I mean, they've got those tile floors, I mean, if you're already crawling, you could just put your face down. - Rub your belly on the cold, most safe tile. No, they, they, but first of all, AC in 1929, that's blows me away. Didn't know that was even an option. - Good one. - But now I, I'm finding out, here's a thing that really made me gaffaw, is that I want you to tell me, 'cause the theater still stands, it's still a theater. I want you to guess what year AC was finally put in after being cut in 1929. - 28, 1988. 2000. I don't know. - Like six years ago. (laughing) I'm not kidding, six years ago. I was like, are you telling me in 2019 that people were volunteering to be here? And it, there was no AC. - I mean, I feel like that's not that weird, is it? - I promise you, in my brain, it's the weirdest thing one could do. - Okay, I guess that's fair. I mean, Chicago's notoriously pretty fucking cold, but I guess-- - That's true, but like, imagine being, it's the summer, you're there, 'cause-- - No, not in a packed in a theater, yeah. - Packed in a theater. - They do concerts there. - You got to read one surreviews from pre-2020 to see what the deal was. Like if it was hellish, or if it was manageable somehow. - I wonder if the shows were just so worth it. - I don't know. - Yeah, I don't know. - Remember that one time we had a live show in the AC one out? - Sort of. - The LA show where we were already super delayed, but it was like-- - Oh, everything was going wrong. Oh my God. - It was like, that was also the bathroom situation. Was that the theater? - By the way, some day we got to have tails from the road because there is so much shit. I think my Mercury and Taurus is really like finally reaching a point where I'm like, oh, I can just say shit out loud. So I'm like, let us just tell you some day we got to tell you about that fuck ass day and the time that we almost, there was a rat, we didn't get a bathroom. - Oh yeah, that was another, yep, that was crazy. - Fuck, that was terrible. And it wasn't, the show was great, but the, oh, and then remember, I don't know if you remember this 'cause it was a rough day. I, on my way out, tripped over like a metal thing and I was holding a bunch of stuff and I face planted and like, my whole fucking face. And I was in front of the Uber and I remember so vividly, it was such a bad like fall and smack that somebody else got out of their car and ran over and I thought it was my Uber driver and he was like, no, I just parked my car in the middle of the road. - I gotta be like, I didn't see that. You guys left before me, nobody saw it except for the entire downtown Los Angeles area and then I wiped out face first and then I just started to cry because I was like, this would happen and I was like smiling and crying and laughing like a buffoon and then my Uber driver came and I realized he was pretending like he didn't see me fall 'cause like he looked away and I was like, oh my God, this is the most miserable and then next morning we got onto that train to San Diego. - I'll never forget. - That I remember, oh there was something about, well, they can get into that literally. - Yeah, hey, we could do Yappy Hour about all our bitching. Does anyone want to pay for extra bitching? Yappy Hour details? - I remember specifically, but the AC didn't they say like the only way we could, like it was like, the AC broke the night before. - We had to reschedule. - We had to reschedule because they were also saying like the only way it could happen. Where'd they try to say something like, oh well, we could have the show if we could fix it today and you help us pay out a pocket or something? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were like, you can do the show. It'll be 118 degrees inside and we were like. - Yeah, and I was like, and kill everyone, okay? - Crazy. - Yeah, sure, no. - Anyway, I imagine that's what the theater felt like even though it was not Los Angeles post climate hell, but whatever, this theater had no AC until 2019. So it was hot at least once in there. - It didn't even have a marble floor, okay? - It didn't have any of the essentials. - The only reason this theater ended up doing well, by the way, I already mentioned this earlier, but because it was the Great Depression, nobody could afford to go to the movie theaters. And if they did, they wanted like a class A experience. And so because this was the only place that had the talkies, it was like the only theater that survived in the area, I think, from the Great Depression. - Wow. - Even so, the theater eventually, of course, got into bad shape, was already without AC. I'll tell you that. It was gonna close down, but then the town rallied together like it's Star's Hollow. And it eventually was able to get renovated, similar to the last case I did, case theater I did. It was right around the same time too, where the whole town got together and renovated it. So, I call Mark's style. - Before I get into the ghosts, I will tell you some fun facts. This is still the town's biggest movie screen. - Oh, that's pretty impressive. It's also the town's biggest auditorium. - Okay. - It is, oh, just like how AC didn't exist until 2019. I've talked about that enough. The original chairs from 1929 were also there up until very recently. And they only recently replaced them, except for one, which I'll talk about in a second. And it's still in use. They do all sorts of events there. They do like proms and graduations and weddings and history tours and all this stuff. So, and actually for a while it had a haunted house attraction during Halloween, but then that went away. I'm not totally sure why. And then I don't know if they still do this, but I thought this was so cute. During Christmas, they would often play it's a wonderful life and at the end have snowfall from the ceiling. - That's cute. It's just asbestos from the old ceiling tiles. - But it's actually because there was no AC, they needed something cold to drench on you. So. - I just dumped it in some frozen water. - Please let it snow at the air. - Yeah. - It's a foul, but it grows. - It's nice. - So, okay, now onto the ghosts. It's most popular for their ghost tours of the investigations that they let people do. They're known today. - Do you think they ever had a clue when they were building this place? And they're like, oh, it's most successful purpose in a hundred years is gonna be fucking dead on ghost tours. Yeah, with you guys dead inside of it. Oh my God. - I do wonder. I did see it like a post online recently. That was like how come there aren't, they don't make houses anymore that are worth haunting. Like they don't look glamorous enough. - I mean, truly. - And part of me is like maybe that's why so many theaters and old places are haunted. It's 'cause they were so beautiful. Why would you want to leave? - Like glamorous, hell yeah. - Now if like I just had like a farmhouse style bungalow like the one I live in now. (laughing) I'm not haunting this fucking thing. That's just not happening. - Yeah, and it's like if I've got this big white dress, if I'm a lady in this, what am I gonna do? Haunt like the suburbs? No, I mean for every now and then just to scare the kiddos. But like I belong on a grand staircase. - And you know what, keep that energy. That's exactly right. - That's exactly right. Thank you so much. - It's known as one of the most haunted theaters in all of Illinois. There are several ghosts here. Many sources before I traveled on over to YouTube. Many sources said that there are six very popular ghosts here. And then when I went to YouTube and I saw, I watched like a bunch of people do investigations. Every single one of them said there's only two main ghosts here. So, oh, I don't know if I did my notes wrong again. I don't know. - No, maybe it's that thing again where it's like they get mixed up and stories cross over. - I feel like there are six ghosts there, but two of them really steal the show, no pun intended. - Okay, so it's sort of like these are the two main characters. Yeah, okay. - One of them is named Irv Comerfield. - Yes, well, no wonder he's a main character. Of course, Irv and his wife Barbara are from the 1980s. They were a power couple here at the time. The wife was like some fancy director. She was a suit of the theater. - Wow. - And he also, he was always there. He loved volunteering there. And together they started the nonprofit that actually restored the theater event. - So they're like patrons of the theater. - A patrons of the theater, yes. - They're part of like the silver society or whatever they'd call themselves. Shiek, the Mad Hatters. No, Red Hats, Mad Hatters, never mind. - So one night after a show, fun fact it was West Side Story in case you care. - I do. - One night after a show, Irv was in his seat, his favorite seat there. And he got up, walked into the aisle, had a massive heart attack as people were clearing out of the show. - Oh shit. - And he died where he'd been watching the show. And so now he's gonna haunt it. - So people see him constantly walking up and down the aisle right where he passed. - I wonder in that case because it's such a direct link, like we know he died there. I wonder if that is residual of that day. Or do you think that's like, it's residual of just his entire energy in the place? 'Cause that makes sense. - It does. And I kind of have an answer for you because I don't know if that one specifically is like, from the day he died or because he was constantly at every show walking up and down the aisles. - Right. - But one thing that seems to be a more generally residual of his is that after he passed people see a lot of shadow figures standing in the doorway at the back of the theater. And on his shifts when he was volunteering there, he would regularly try to sneak in and look through the door to watch a show. - Okay, okay. - So that feels more like the general one and the tile is maybe of the day he died. - I mean, it's kind of amazing to think, 'cause we never really think about that that a ghost could have multiple ways of expressing itself in one place like a residual haunting, but then I guess they're both residual, but then like doing different things. I don't know, it's kind of cool. Makes sense, I guess. - Or for all, we know both of them, like I'm this, or it's the same, right, true. - They could be both intelligent. They could be from different timelines in which case like, oh my God, ghosts can hunt themselves while haunting themselves. - Well, I think you already know that. You already know that. - I know. - This is my time travel theory. - And your time travel interests. Like, you already know that's the thing. - But thank you. - The fact that I'm already haunting myself is crazy. Every time it-- - But it's like such not a surprise to any of us. - Like, literally if I trip and I feel someone catch me, I know that was me going bitch get up. - And you know who else? It was you who tripped you too, probably. - Fine, you know what? Just for the attention, I could see that. - Yeah, it's like you doing a three person like Stu Jack, but it's just like you and your future selves. - It just me, my past self and my future selves. - And then like I future me comes along with the Vodville hook. Just gets all three of you out of there. - You can just drag an organ out and go (mimics organ) or something. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, let's do a little Nickelodeon action. - So, he is the one who has the special seat where all but one have been replaced since 1929. His seat that he used to sit in is the 1929 seat. - That's pretty special. - And I don't know if it's like, 'cause he died there, or if it's just like that was his favorite seat [BLANK_AUDIO] - There's a good guy in a Patreon theater. - I feel like that happens at theaters when someone has been involved for so long and they pass, not necessarily next to the scene. - I feel like that's just a double whammy. - I feel like they were like, okay, we gotta go and plate this shit. - Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I feel like they theaters do that, right? Like even if it's not happens in-house. - He has also, I only saw this on one source, and I didn't hear about it anywhere else, but I thought it was interesting that he apparently had a desk when he worked here, and after his death, there seemed to be a lot of energy around the desk. - Ooh. - People would still find like cigarette butts on the desk and they would find like things in the desk had been moved around and stuff. And then when they moved the desk down to the basement, I guess all that activity either ended or ended up starting happening, it started happening in the basement. It's something like that. - He's like, "Why the fuck did you move me "my office downstairs?" - Yeah, it's like fucking basement. - I've been in the like boiler room with the hellswears. - That's a lot. - Sometimes people also smell smoke, and they assume that's attributed to like the cigarette butts, but some other people argued like this, this was before things were smoking free. Like the theater probably just reaked of cigarettes at one point. - True, yeah, it's probably everyone is smoking. - Yeah, so it probably has nothing to do with like chem specifically, and it's just, "Well, that's what the theater says." - The era, yeah. Okay, so he is one of the main characters. The other main character that everyone talks about is the lady in. - Yes, a color, it's not red finally, or white. - Is it an aquamarine? - Can you imagine? - Can you imagine? (laughing) - The lady in lavender. No, it's a. - Oh, she needs so much attention. - She's in green, this one's in green. - Okay, okay, well, you know, she could have been aquamarine when she chose. She chose a simpler. I appreciate that. - You know, we have yet to meet a lady in yellow or a lady in orange. I feel like those are the only two left. - What about pink? - Pink. - Have we done that? - Pink. - Have we done a lady in purple? - F, hmm, maybe not, purple. - Brown. - Red, white, gold. - I feel like we've found the lady in gray, lady in black, lady in white, lady in blue, lady in red. - Now, lady in green. - We've got. - And, you know, the beautiful thing is we've got so much ahead of us. Pokedots, kingdom, you know. - A lady in flannel. No, that's the one I want to meet for obvious reasons. Okay, a lady in Mumu. (laughing) - I already have one of those. - I know, that's fun. - So, lady in green, she has no name. And people have even asked, "What's your name?" And she just won't tell you. But she's apparently very happy. She's seen in a long green dress. She's seen in the balcony of the theater. A lot of, especially, like, workers in the morning when they go and do, like, checks on the building, they'll see her just sitting there in the audience. And they think, like, she's early for a matinee or something. - And imagine, though, like, seeing someone in a dress to, like, a beautiful green dress. It's like, what are you doing here at eight in the morning or whatever time the workers show up? - And as someone who is often a non-fancy patron of the theater. - Yeah. - The way that a tire has changed over the years, like, people wear, like, athletes are to the theater. That's crazy. - And, like, for a matinee or eight in the morning, especially, like, you wouldn't see somebody typically in, like, a gown, you know? - Yeah, but, like, she dresses like, - Like, I love you with the theater. - And so. - Sure. - That would really blow me away. If I saw someone dress like you and me sitting in the theater, sadly, in 2026, that would be less shocking. I'm sure someone in Vodville would be like, what the fuck are you wearing? - Yeah, I mean, I'm literally wearing, like, underwear as pants right now. So, I think that, like, they would be pretty understandably upset. - Yeah. - But, shockingly, that would be less for me to swallow. I'd be like, oh, someone's just sitting and observing me working. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Or they got in here somehow, yeah. - Yeah. But so, anyway, they think someone either snuck in or is confused about showtimes. She seems to be very chatty. She's very often intelligently responding to people's requests when they go on investigations. - Except not her name. - Except her name. She doesn't know. She keeps some things to herself. - I like it. - Performers have even seen her during rehearsals and shows. They see someone watching who like stands out because she is dressed for Broadway, which is crazy. - Yeah. - I keep saying Broadway, just theater. Sorry. - It's Chicago Broadway. - Yeah, yeah. And also, people also see her smoking one of those very long crewelative ill cigarettes, which like she's so out of place, but yet she's in her world, she's so in place. - But she's like in her element. Like, wow, that is just stunning. - Everyone else probably looks so off to her. In fact, there is-- - But I love that she just doesn't even mind. - There's one story later that I tell you. I'll just say it now that there's one ghost there. I wonder if it's Irv, but there's a guy who is dressed old timey and he's leaning against one of the columns and he just looks at the stage watching you, especially if you're investigating. People have said that they see a man watching them while they're investing. And they've found out through spear box sessions or EVP sessions or whatever it is that he is very curious about people's clothing. And part of me is like, because they're from another time or because they are just so embarrassing in a theater dressed like that. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, is it like, because like, what is wrong with you people? Or is it like, oh, you look like a futuristic robot? - I mean, I imagine, you know, back in like, when people were, for the first time on commercial airplanes and they would dress like their Sunday's best, imagine you just showed up and like, your gym shorts and a hoodie like we all do now, they would be fucking disgusted. - And like, and like, your whole duvet, you know, some people bring like an entire duvet and like, six stuff, a squish mellows and you're like, did you-- - And they're careful, yeah. - And they're everybody, exactly. - They'd be, they'd probably, but you're right, like, it's like, you look like a different being entirely. And you look like a little bit, okay, wow. - Yeah, a little extra. - Like, okay, I'm very clearly have different control as well. - Yeah, we, yeah. - Control interests is a nice, yeah, sure. - Yeah, so she's very friendly and is like, I think she kind of, I like to think she loves the bit of being a ghost because there have been times, I saw it in YouTube videos last night that as soon as you, the, the guide will bring them up to where people see her and he starts talking about her, the lights only in her section turn off by themselves. - Ah! - She's like, and what, darling? - Show time. - Show time. - Yeah, there's just, oh my God, I love her. - So those are the two main ones, but these are the others that people, on other sources said that there's-- - The ensemble cast. - Well done. - Yeah, absolutely. That's what, why didn't I just fucking say that? Okay. Okay, sometimes you just have the words. - I'm channeling you. - Thank you. - Yeah. - There's apparently a little girl that hunts the theater, but it's because her family you sexually live on the property before it was a theater. - Oh. - So she must be confused. - She must be so, she's like, where is the couch? - And also like, where is my marble floor? I was promised. - And where is my mom? (laughing) - Oh God! And where? - And where? - Where are my shoes? Where are my clothes? - Where am I? - Where's the party? - I mean, where am I? Oh my God. - People have said that they've seen this little girl singing and playing at the lobby, and but they only see her during the summer because I guess when they lived on the property, it was a summer house. So people only see her when she would have been there. There's also apparently the ghosts of a little boy. I don't know if he has anything to do with the little girl. - I love that people can still summer in the afterlife. - Yeah. - Like what? She's summering in the app. She gets to go to her summer home. - What the fuck was that sound? - Probably like somebody swooped up vehicle 'cause they have a huge penis. (laughing) - That was crazy that from the other side of the country, I heard their tiny penis drive by. - I didn't think you'd be able to hear that, but it must have been like at the exact right register. Sorry about that. - No, but that's a great point that you can summer even in the afterlife. - But it feels like some people can't, doesn't it? Like it feels like sometimes people are just stuck somewhere or residual or whatever, but then like you hear about this and it's like, oh she's only there sometimes 'cause it's her summer home. And I'm like, what? - And where the fuck does she go? - Where exactly? - Yeah, I wonder if there's what the privilege hierarchy is in Ghost World because if some people are stuck when someone else gets to travel. It's like that has to be a ghost that you don't care for 'cause you're a little butt hurt about it, right? - But who's deciding that? - I don't know. I don't know the politics, I don't know. - Someday we will. - Yeah, and yet we won't be able to tell anyone. - We'll find one. - So annoying. - Yeah, they'll see. - They'll all say. (laughing) - So there's a little boy there. I don't think he has any relation to the little girl, but I hope that they see each other in play. - I do too. - He's been seen wandering the theater. He was first seen, this is so creepy, when the building was doing Halloween jump scare attractions. And people thought he was a lost kid and were wondering where his parents were. - Oh God. - And then the real scare is that he was never there, babe. - That's like the world's best haunted house though. - Truly, and you pay all of these teenagers to do some spooky scary work when the main character was like, I'll do it for free. - Yeah, sure, like, step aside. - He's apparently often seen in the costuming dressing room area. And so they wonder if he was ever a vaudeville actor here. - Aww. - The fifth ghost here is there's a janitor and blue coveralls. A lot of people see on the stage sweeping and I guess he's become known as Charlie. - Okay. - There's also a lot of blue orbs that float around in the theater. And so maybe that's Charlie, I'm not sure. And then the sixth one is certainly the most horrifying. And somehow neglected a lot in the YouTube so that I watched. - The YouTube's, I'm my fucking mom. (laughing) - But in one of the bathrooms downstairs, there is this haunting female spirit who actively tries to keep people away, like is once you to be scared of her. People see if they feel someone glaring at her, actually saw this one investigation where they were like, we were just trying to be girls girls, we were gonna go hang out with her and be like, it's not that bad babe, it's fine. Because apparently it's a woman, and it's always happening in the woman's bathroom, and they're like, like, just moaning myrtle. - Yeah, and they were like, let's just go hang out with her and show her like, it ain't that bad. But as soon as they got to the stairs where they would have gone down to the bathroom, they felt something so hateful that they were like, okay, no did we won't go. - Oh my God, to go from the energy of, let's go, like-- - Early pop. - Swap, lift gloss in the bathroom to like, okay, the dread is physically blocking me from further, walking further. Yeah, there's probably something that doesn't want you down there. - Well apparently people who have gone down there anyway, they have experienced the bathroom stalls, the doors will slam, slam, shut, and then if you've been trying to close one of them, there is a pounding on the stalls, and you hear a woman scream crying. - Oh, God. - She is like, she wants you out of there. - She is like moaning myrtle, I mean, really. - Well, some mediums have said that, I mean, she's clearly going through it, but the mediums have said like she feels like a poison to society. - Whoa, what the fuck? - Like she hates herself and she's trying to scare you off so that you're nowhere near her. - Yeah, it's almost like she's trying to like, save you from herself. - Right, so she's like self-sac, she's, okay, this is a very psychoanalytical interpretation of a ghost. - But you were about to say self-sabotage, that's exactly right, where it's like, you could have friends in the afterlife if you're not so damn scary, you know? - You could borrow my lip gloss. - Yes, like we were trying to help you. - But maybe she doesn't, you know, she's got to help herself. - Oh, man. - You said it. - Period. - And that's on period. (laughing) - Oh, God. - Okay, so I'm just gonna give you a quick rundown of some of the other things that ghost do. I know I'm going over time, I'm so sorry. So, no, go please, go. I wanna hear the ghosts. - Many shadowy figures darting around. Many apparitions of people watching the shows. People have straight up just seen a man standing on the stage that they think is there. Not Charlie, a different man. - Oh, okay. - There's one apparition that has talked to investigators saying that he's curious about their clothing. This was a show, I guess the host's name Sarah, 'cause it's called Sarah Normal. I think that's a hysterical. - Ah, I love that. - And they responded by saying like, "Oh, our clothing gets because we're from 2025." And then their phones died as if, like their exact words were like, he clearly crashed out that it was 2020. - She was gonna say that you fucking lost it. - Yeah, yeah. - She was like, "Well, I. " - What can't stand this. - Yes, that's enough of that. There's footsteps, faint voices, sounds of applause, feeling touched, door slam right next to you. There was one video I watched where literally as they're walking by, like the door just slams. Like it's just, and then the tour guide was like, "Yup, there they go." - That shouldn't be normal. Don't normalize door slamming on their own. - I like the normalization of like them being mysterious about it where a door slams in a room that you're not in, but they clearly don't give a fuck. - They were like, "Here's the door, bam." - When it slams right in your face and you're like, "Yup, another day at work." It's like, "I don't think so." - And maybe they were being mischievous, but without context, it just feels threatening. - It's not, yeah, yeah, you know, read the room. - Yeah, please. - You know I'm gonna be scared now. - Yeah, quit fucking around. - Objects move. There are clear photos of like, misty bodies sitting in seats, motion-naturevation equipment trips up, batteries and cameras die. And then if you like mention it, then more batteries and cameras die. On stage, people here, this is a common one, people will hear crinkling paper around them, like what the fuck am I hearing? And then when they think back on it, it sounds like a script was being flipped through. And right when they were rehearsing, and right when they give up trying to find the sound, "Hey, I'm right next to them." They'll hear whatever it was, maybe the script or a book, getting thrown onto the ground right next to them. - And Jesus. - I should have kept the clip ready to show you, but someone did get it on camera where they're like, "Do you hear that, do you hear that?" And it's clearly like rustling papers. And then at the very end, you just hear like, "Bam!" And it's like slams right on the ground next to her. As if he's like, "What do you mean my scene got cut?" "Bam!" Or something like that. - I feel he's not off-book yet. - Not off-book. - He's not off-book and he's got to fucking get off-book. - One of the most common things that people experience here are the most success investigators get is through spearbox sessions. These ghosts love a spearbox. I love ghosts who love a spearbox. - I love the chatty's, chatty catty's. - So I wonder why. - Here is a collection of multiple, I just put them all in bullets. So these are from multiple investigations. But when talking to the lady in green, they said, "Were you a singer?" The spearbox says, "Singer." And then everyone went, "Oh my God, it said singer." And then the spearbox went, "That's right." - Yeah, it's like, "Well, yeah, I did because you asked." - Another one, when people try to approach that bathroom, where like there's like the mean ghost, the spearbox will say, "Stop here." - Oh, jeez, yeah, I will, I will. - The REM pod, which as you know, it has like different lights on the top of it. Different colors. They were using a REM pod and they asked if they could, if the ghost could change the REM pod's colors. And the spearbox said, "Four," which there are four colors on top. - I know. - So they said the investigators went, "Yeah, there are four colors." And the spearbox said, "The dots, right?" - That's a full sentence, the dots, right? - That's super cool. - That one freaks me out. That one gets me just now. - Yeah, the dots, right? Oh my God, it's like literally four colorful dots. It's so creepy. - Creepy. Then they were talking to Irv and they said, "Do we feel you go up and down aisle one?" And the spearbox said, "Yes, it's me." Then they said, "What's your wife's name?" And the spearbox said, "Barb." - Whoa. - And they said, "Thanks, Irv for talking to us." And the spearbox said, "Thanks." - Holy shit, he is like active. - Yeah, he's there. - Another time they were saying, "Are you the one making this machine light up?" And the spearbox said, "Probably yes." Then they said, "Did I see you walking around just now?" And the spearbox said, "Maybe." - It's like, "I don't fucking know. Did you see me? I don't know." - Everyone hears the sound. And then they said, "Are you moving chairs?" Because I guess the chairs nearby and they thought they heard it shift. They said, "Are you moving the chairs?" And the spearbox says, "It was me." - Ooh. - They said, "Do you want to keep talking to us?" And the spearbox said, "No." (laughs) - Okay, that's a dangerous question. - They're about to, investigators are about to head out and they say, "We'll leave now." But then they get a voice saying, "Wait." And when they ask who's on the stairs, they get a voice that says, "Freddy." And they, "It's a clear Freddy." It's like this. It's like, "Freddy." - Ooh! Is Freddy someone we know or know? - No, just the name. And I mean, think of how many people have been in and out of that theater, either working there or visiting and. - Yeah, someone's just going to the bathroom real quick and then some futuristic person's like, "What's your name, Freddy?" - Well, they go into the dressing room that's has all these vanity mirrors. And they say, they're talking about, "Oh, mirrors are supposed to be a portal for spirits and the spearbox said, "That's right." - But, oh no, confirmed. - That freaks me out. Breaking news. I mean, we all knew it. - But which is for right, everybody? - Of course they were. That's distressing. - One time they asked how many of you are here. The spearbox said, "A lot." "Are you right by me?" The spearbox said, "Indeed." What are you doing here? The spearbox said, "Fate." - Oh, that's heavy. - One thing I thought was also cool, also involving the rampads is, as you know, I just said, colorful lights everywhere. They had it on and the spearbox immediately said, "Game, ready." As if like, "Oh my God, we're going to play a game?" I'm ready. - Oh my God. - 'Cause it looks like an arcade game. - It looks like you're about to play. It's like the one where you have to land on the. - Yes, Colorama. - That's right. - But so they said, "Oh, you think it's a game? "Maybe because of the lights." And then the rampad goes off. Like they went to go like point at the lights and be like, "This is why I think it's a game." - So you think it's a game? You idiot. - Another time the spearbox said, "Grab." When they said, "What are you going to grab?" Then the rampad went off. As if like, "Grab the rampad." Oh. And then, "Can you give us a sign?" The spearbox said, "Can not." I mean, there's so many. So I'm just going to end on the creepiest thing that happened, which is, there was one team that was there and they were all standing on the stage. And they had a camera on a tripod facing the stage in case anything happened that night. Nothing ever happened except when any of them, especially this one guy on the team, was on the stage. The tripod and camera would move itself the whole time. They were on stage. And what? And as if they ever left, the tripod would stand still. And it wasn't like it was on the stage or they were accidentally knocking it by stepping around. And everything, it was on the other side of the theater. And it was like something was trying to adjust the frame and to get them in the shot. And then, they left. And the camera stayed still for the rest of the night. They went back. We're on stage for 15 minutes cleaning up their equipment and the whole time the camera was shaking by itself. Very strange, very strange. I wonder if that was an old theater tech being like, "Okay, let me get the shot right." Well, you're not doing a very good job. You're shaking it around the whole time. I'm 15 minutes. I feel like it's that child. Oh, yeah, just playing with the equipment. I mean, that's what I would do as a child. Yeah, it's like someone left just on this thing. On intended video camera, yeah. Anyway, okay, that is the Egyptian theater. That was awesome. I really liked, I mean, I liked both of them, but this one, I don't know, I really, that one. And there's so many characters in this one, you know? - So many characters. - Irv and all this. Geez. I feel like this one feels like the energy, even with the lady in the basement. Like I think I'd rather spend the night at this place than the other one. - Yeah, I agree. - I don't know. I barely remember the last episode, but I feel like the vibes here are better. - I feel the same way. - Okay, good, good. - And yeah, as long as I avoided that one bathroom, it seems like everyone else is pretty jazzed to just talk. - I feel like what I would do with the bathroom is just not even being facetious, I'm serious. I would probably, like if we were investigating, I'd probably just like toss the tampon down, toss some chocolate. I don't know a lot. - I'd go, what are you on the rag? Is that what you-- - I mean, no, I know it sounds like that. But like-- - I don't even. - I would be like, what can I offer you that doesn't involve human interaction? - Right. - Like, here's a candy bar babe or something. - Yeah, or do you want me to move you to the light? I don't know. Like, what's going on here? 'Cause I'm about to get all intellectual on psychoanalyze you ghost. - Of course. - I'm about to. Otherwise, like just tell me, tell me you have cramps and I can get you a mightle. I don't know. - You know what I would do. First of all, I agree. I would absolutely be, and like, what does that say about us? The people, please, or is that like, I'd be gifting her anything to not be mad at me? - Well, I'm just like concerned, really. I'm sort of like, I don't even want evidence from you. I just kind of want to make sure like, you're not in like hell and can't escape and I'm supposed to like help you out with it. I don't know. - That's a lot nicer than I would still be trying to get evidence. But I think I would do it the way. - If I get evidence, that's great, right? But like, also, I'm a little scared, and I'd rather she just kind of make her way to the afterlife, if that's her plan. - If I were to get evidence, though, I still would not go down there. I think I would do the Zach Beggins Nova like putting a microphone on a huge boom pole and just slowly weaving it down there. And just be like, if you want to say anything. - If you want to say anything, do the things Zach Beggins doesn't send you or even down there. And I was like, thanks a lot. Like, I'm like a camera on a stick and just like kind of fish it over and just go. - And I would literally tie a GoPro onto a tampon and like roll it down there and be like, anything. We're not trying to bother you. We just want to help. But also like, will you do us a solid and say, hi, yeah, that's where we'd land, I think. - I understand. I would, I'm glad that we would both at least do something, even if it's not ethical. - It's good stuff, I don't think we'd have to interact with it. I'd be like, what is the deal? - Yeah. - What's the deal? Just spend me, spend me, spend me a tale. - Spend me a tale, that one needs to come back too. - Yeah, yeah, I need to learn how to say it first, but then we can definitely bring that to you. - Just like how before, my story Christine had an announcement. I also have an announcement. - Yes, yes, yes. - Is it okay that I put it here? - Please, that's perfect. That's actually way better, I think. - So we had a listener reach out named Sydney who has a best friend, Malley. I think that's how we're, it's pronounced Malley. - Yeah, Malley's also been a listener for a long time, but recently got some news that her kidneys are failing and she needs a transplant. And because of her blood type, Dr. Soldier, that it could take like six to eight years to receive a kidney through the standard weight list, it was just devastating. So, Sydney reached out and was saying that Malley's best chance is finding a living donor. And Sydney actually wanted to donate herself, but wasn't eligible. So, we're just reaching out to the community to see if this moves anybody to go find out, you know, for Malley or even for somebody in your own life to see if you're a match. And you don't have to be a direct match, by the way, for to help. Gales, kidney exchange, program, can match incompatible donors within a larger network. So that can also help Malley receive a transplant. So don't count yourself out just because you think you might not be a match. But if you're 21 or older and you are interested at all, again, for Malley or again, somebody else in your own life, if you're curious about organ donation and being a living donor, you can visit Yale New Havens Living Donor program at ynhh.org/organdonation. And you can also call the Center for Living Organ donors at 866-925-3897. All the donor related medical costs are handled by the hospital. And obviously there's zero pressure here, but we just wanted to help Sydney reach out to the masses. She's trying to do a really good thing for her friend. And Malley, if you're listening, we hope that you're doing OK with all this. And yeah, if you are a match or if you know somebody who might be or is interested, how would you know if you're a match? But if you know someone who's interested in finding out if they are, then please reach out through those sources. Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you for putting that so coherently to you and Katie, who've kind of like were in contact with her. So yeah, that's really scary. And I hope this moves somebody or at least gets the word out and lots of love to both of you. Yeah, I think we're-- thank you, Sydney, for also reaching out and being a real homie and trying to help out your friend. But I'm sure that the two of you are not the only dynamic going through this right now that listen. So it's just a general experience. I know. I need to say to anybody who might need it. Yes. Yes. I love that. I love that. Well, put it. [SPEAKING SPANISH] OK, so I'm going to tell you a story now. This is the story of Athelia, Poncelle, Linsley, and her brutal murder. Good. Yeah, great. Good times. This one's a weird one. It's a doozy, OK? So Athelia, first of all, love the name Athelia. It's just-- It's a ethereal. It's very ethereal. Athelia was born Mary Ann Federer on July 25, 1917, in good old Toledo, Ohio. Her father was a wealthy utilities magnate. So she grew up in money like she was wealthy. She lived in a wealthy family. They actually were so wealthy that they lived in something called a marble palace. Fuck, OK. Speaking of the marble floor of the Egyptian theater that ended up being dumpster tiles, Modj Podge together, this one was actually a marble palace on the Isle of Pines, south of Cuba. Like this is the-- Yeah, of course, naturally. So it was mine, so. Yeah, same, same. Also, first of all, you never hear a magnate anymore. I would love some of you to just be honest and tell us who they are. And they're like, I'm a magnate. It's a sexy word, I think. And a magnate. Oh, which magnate? Oh, the one in the marble palace. Oh my god, I thought you said, oh, which magnate? And I went, yes, I-- it's that. I want that. Oh, which magnate? I would like there to be a magnate involved in magnets. A magnate magnate? A magnate magnate. That'd be very funny. Stupid. OK, sorry. Keep going. I'm the heir of the magnate fortune. I mean, it's just ridiculous. Yeah, so her father was a utilities magnate, boring. But they lived in a marble palace, of course, on the fine south of Cuba, and grew up in this environment. She was tall. She was described as willowy, beautiful, attended private schools was raised very crème de la crème. She moved to Jacksonville, Florida as a young girl. And ultimately ended up in New York City becoming something called a powers model. And I guess what I want to say here is like, this was-- I don't know how else to put it, except that she was very much hated. Like, it reminds me of someone divisive today, like someone successful and divisive. Like using their powers for evil? No, more just like some people are like, go girl. And some people are like, hateful. I don't know the right way. She was-- She was just making friends. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. That is so well put. OK, I knew you'd have the language for it. So she became a powers model. And the time a powers model was quite an elite thing. This guy, John Robert Powers, was an American actor. And he founded a modeling agency in New York City and a modeling school. And so those who wanted to be successful in Hollywood would often attend his sort of training programs, OK? And his Wikipedia is an interesting rabbit hole. And definitely has like quite a bit of controversy in and of itself. So if you want to go down that rabbit hole, I definitely recommend it. But I'm just kind of giving you an idea of her backstory here during World War II. she played bit parts in Broadway musicals. She was a chorus line dancer. Yep. And then her probably most prominent role. And this is where we get into that found, I almost had found footage, that lost footage. Hopefully someday found footage because she actually was a television personality for a while. I know. And she was on the show, a game show called Winner Take All hosted by Bud Collier. And Bud Collier. Bud Collier. Yeah. Obviously. Sorry, I just ran myself with the magnates and that's how they say it. So you're a game show magnet. I mean, you of all people would know how to pronounce like old old games. And maybe it is Collier, but in his translate accent, I think it was Bud Collier. That's definitely it then. Let's go with that. Okay, so thank you for that correction. So during this time, she was sort of like a support role. Unfortunately, we can't fucking know for sure because there's no footage of it because the studios would just tape over all their shows. And once the tapes degraded enough, they'd tossed them. It was just like they saw TV and stuff as like disposable, I guess. And it was like, why would we save this? And now it's just like has people on the internet ripping their hair out like desperate for their thesis statement or their dissertation to find something like, I mean, I found forums where people were like, I'm writing my thesis on this person. This was in 2022, somebody was posting that like they couldn't find the footage of this and wanted to, and we're writing about her murder and wanted to find this footage. And I was like, me too. I mean, without knowing anything, it just immediately feels suspicious that she is a murder victim and lost footage of her is missing. It just, it feels like it's intentional and I know they're probably two completely separate situations, but it just feels odd. They're definitely separate and you'll see why I believe I think unless there's something like way deeper underfoot, which I'll always entertain, but I think in this case, it is just a coincidence. But it is kind of an ominous one. Okay. You know, it's just a little ominous that there's no footage of it anywhere. But just was like missing evidence all of a sudden. It does. And the show winner take all, I guess, I don't, I didn't know the show. I mean, it sounds familiar, but it's also like a phrase, so I don't know if I knew the show. Essentially, it's one of the earliest televised game shows ever. It paved the way for a lot of other game shows, even though it was like very simple. And like I said, there's no known surviving footage of the show. So we don't really fucking know unless you're 105 and watched it. Your toddler program or whatever we said, would it be crazy if it was like, like, it filmed over the the movie I was talking about and other both. Oh my God, just a constant recycled film of lost footage. Talk about like a haunting like that feels haunted. There's gonna be a haunted movie real somewhere. Haunted footage. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Oh my God. Definitely. I don't, I don't doubt that for a second. Okay. So this is kind of a televised whole deal, right? She was also reportedly a friend of the Boston Kennedys and she went her with them in Palm Beach, which is why I was kind of earlier when you said, like, oh, this was the child ghost summer home. I was like, really? We can do that in the afterlife. So she's wintering with the Kennedys. She actually dated Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. and rumors suggested they were engaged, but then he died in that plane crash during World War II. Now we kind of fast forward at this point. You kind of know what you need to know about like her backstory. She had been married and divorced twice before she moved to St. Augustine Florida in 1971. And in 1973, she married a man named James Jinx Linsley, a successful real estate agent and former mayor of St. Augustine, Florida. I'm sorry, but you just know his tagline is like, we won't jinx. Yeah. Yeah. No, don't jinx it vote for jinx. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Brad Corb and my town would hate jinx Linsley. Now that would be a fanfic. That would be for the ages. That would be incredible. It's like, Brad Corb started again, but jinx isn't a jinx. Jinx did all. Wow. Something like that. Someone else in the comments, someone smarter than me have fun. He was gonna win it all. There's your prompt. His, his, his latest one was jinxed by, there's something there. A little work on it. Okay. So it's like how, it's like how an orange county their car dealership is like an orange. We're not a lemon. Yeah. It's just like that. It's the same thing. Yeah. So jinx and like I've had this conversation on this podcast with you before, but it never fails to amuse me when rich people have ridiculous nicknames like jinx Linsley. And then we've got, you know, I knew a pants. His name was pants, but her name was pants. Her name was pants. Okay. I know a jock. Oh, she's married to jock. And then there's like a bunny, you know, like they kind of like nickname, like the kind of like country clubby nicknames. And so jinx just kind of reeks of that to me. I mean, it's a fun nickname, but like just in the time period knowing he's also like a real estate agent and the mayor. So it just kind of like, you know, I mean mayor jinx. I'm sorry. There's just so much good promo. You could do with that. It's it writes itself. It really is. I mean, apparently not because you and I cannot come and write it. But like I give me more than 30 fucking seconds on the spot on the spot. You're right. This isn't the game show winner take all. Okay. Okay. So she moves to St. Augustine. She's on her third marriage. I say that to just say like she's kind of like done fucking around with a lot of things in her life. And like you really well put earlier. She's not here to make friends. Okay. She's newly married. Athalia and jinx live in separate houses. Some people make a big deal of this. I don't think it's really that odd because they're wealthy and like married and in this to 70. I don't know. I don't think it's that odd. But make with make of that what you will. But Athalia herself lived at one two four marine street. And this was residence that was valued at about $75,000 at the time, which today is around 600 K. It was a Spanish style residence. Meanwhile, her husband jinx lived at the historic Linsley house, which again, just remind you is his last name. So I mean, it's kind of like Schultzworth Manor. It's like yeah, right. Jinx Linsley, I know you. We see each other. You know what I mean? Except like I think no fence. And but I think his is more like that's actually what the place is like well, he is also a real estate person. I think he found ways to make it official. Mine's just you make a very good point. Mine's just fantastical. Was the mayor. See, he was just he had more power than I did. That's all. That's what I'm saying. I think he just kind of had a little more right to the throne. And I don't say that like I say that with what's never good. I'm going to be mayor. You'll see. Okay. All right. And you're going to feel real silly by saying hi. I will. I will vote for you. Thank you. You're not in my district. I don't think but that's okay. I will. I'm going to collab with Mayor Max. And then that'll for you in my heart. Mayor Max is a little nearby. By the way, oh, I almost texted Mayor Max yesterday. I've told you about mayor. Texted. Yeah. I um, I told you a while ago. Mayor Max. Oh yeah. Oh, I, I, oh, I recall the golden retriever. I didn't know he has a phone though. He, Mayor Max is a golden retriever. He is the honorary mayor of a town nearby. And him and I now have each other's phone numbers. Yeah. And I was trying to text RJ's wife mayor. And so I asked my phone, hey, text mayor. And it said, what do you want to say to Mayor Max? I went so many things put it away. So many things. I can't do it right now. Don't get me started. Anyway, Mayor Max, if you're listening to issue 2.3, what do you want to say to Mayor Max? That's a lie. I don't have the time. Oh my god. I hate when my phone does that. What do you want to say to your old college professor? Why the fuck would I be texting me? Oh, like, come on. I know. Okay. Anyway, let's get back to the story. So, so Jinx lives at the historic Linsley House on St. George Street, um, while a failure lives on marine street. She was described at the time as, um, feisty, outspoken, and abrasive. So to give you the idea of like, you know, she wasn't necessarily well liked among those who liked a mild, manored woman. Yeah. If you're looking for a warm woman, it ain't her. Yeah. People didn't like her very much. So in the Orlando Sentinel, she was described as, quote, a sharp, tongueed, aggressive woman who would not have won any popularity contest. And she probably knew that about herself and she was fine with that. Big time. You have to know. If the newspaper is publishing it about you, you better know it. Someone's telling you maybe not because you're not friends, but whatever. Yeah. Open the door and read the room. Read the newspaper. Kick a rock drink some coffee, fly kite. Yeah. Wow. That was harsh. So in 1970, she actually made an unsuccessful bid for state senator. And she was planning to run for the St. John's County Commission. But in the meantime, she got very involved with her community. Unfortunately, that was often in a very abrasive way. And so she would show up at these weekly county commission meetings. And she would just like denounce local officials. Obviously, mostly men. And so specifically, one particular neighbor she had a problem with was called Allen Stanford. And he was the county manager and county engineer of St. Augustine. And the feud that the two of them had began over Athelius pets because like any rough around the edges and And slightly unlikable woman, she had a menagerie of rescue animals. And she had a goat, she had six or seven rescue dogs. And like for a wealthy woman to be kind of collecting animals like this, the neighbor was really pissed. And Alan basically said, "The barking is incessant." I'd say the smell. The sound, the smell. It's like, you know, he's thinking, "I pay for like a house here, yada yada." And so they get into this feud. And like she is not going to back down, right? So neighbors had actually, like not just him, but other neighbors, including a colonel McCormick had actually filed noise complaints already and nuisance warrants because of these animals she had. Opsies. Athalia would then retaliate by kind of being a little erratic. She would like cut the limbs off their trees, typically over the property line, but like she was kind of antagonizing them, right? Sure. Whether she knew it or not or whether it was warranted or not is not for me to say, but like she was definitely not calming the fire. She was fanning the flames. She planted 10-foot tall bamboo to obstruct Alan's view. So she's just like fucking with the guy. She really is saying like just, she's just, it's a clear boundary. She's like, I just, I just want to separate myself from you, deal with it. Yeah, but also kind of to piss them off. Yeah, kind of poking it, poking the bear, like she didn't need to block his view to make a point. Like she's kind of antagonizing him and she, for example, goes to county meetings and is like he's not fit to run, like she's really taking it personally, like she's not engaging in healthy boundary settings, let's put it that way from my humble opinion. I think she's maybe antagonizing him a little bit, which like fair, you can do that. It's just unfortunately in this case, it did not end well. Yeah, it's rough. So, you know, they have this feud going, I mean, it's like out of a sitcom, right? Like you build a really tall fence to fuck with your neighbor and then they get mad so you cut their treat out. I mean, it's like the classic just neighbor stuff. So, I'm not trying to like, victim blame me for like, for now I, it could be a buddy comedy so far. Exactly. Exactly. And it's like, I wish it had just stopped there. Like she's got a goat, right? He's pissed about the pet goat. I mean, again, it's like out of a movie. So the tension just escalated though, because Ethalia then made a report to public report claiming that Alan lacked the requisite certification to be the county engineer. So now she's like coming for the man's job. Okay. Alan reportedly told Ethalia in her driveway, "You're a vicious and evil woman and one day I'm going to fix you." Fix you is crazy. That's just beyond. Fix you is crazy. I mean, really? There's some real vitriol in that last half. Oh, it's alarming. It's alarming. At a county meeting in October 1973, Ethalia basically told the commission, "This man threatened my life." Yeah. And like, it's not cool. So the date of the murder was January 23rd, 1974, and it was the first day of the Chinese New Year. It was the year of the Tiger in case you're wondering. And I know you were. I was. Ethalia and Jinx traveled to Jacksonville to buy frozen vegetables for a quote, "home-cooked Chinese dinner." Sick. You know, pretty exciting stuff. Ethalia reportedly joked that it was considered unlucky that day to use a sharp instrument, especially a knife. But oh, well, they cut up vegetables and made dinner anyway. Okay. It's also unlucky to cut your hair on Chinese New Year's Eve. Is it? Yep. And you know how I found out? Does he did it? No. My brother had a haircut appointment, and it got canceled last minute. And then the friend we were with was like, "Oh, you know, it's actually unlucky to get your hair cut on Chinese New Year." We were like, "What?" So, you know, he was spared. But fun fact. So she jokes like, "Ha, we shouldn't even be using a knife on Chinese New Year." It just is a little bit foreshadowing, I mean, two on the nose foreshadowing. 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I mean, I've seen that when you have like a bird that needs that, or like needs that sort of outdoor time. But like, yeah, this is not that. This is certainly not that. And this is also Florida. And this is also rich people in Florida. It does feel like something only a rich person could do. It's like, "I'm going to go walk in my blue jay." My credit for blue jay in cage. I mean, and like, it's very tiger king all this shit, like, it's Florida, okay? It's these rich politician people in Florida who all are selling real estate and like just naming things after themselves and like walking their pet birds and like screaming at the neighbors and like gossiping. I mean, it's just a, like, it could have been a reality show and I would have absolutely watched it, you know? Understood. Unfortunately, it ended up like in a much worse place. But as of like, up to now, you're right, buddy comedy, like walking a pair, like a walking a, what was it? It just feels like something Jim Carrey would do. It's like, yes. Yeah. It's just like a little bit like quirky eccentric offbeat. So okay, she goes to walk her pet blue jay, Clementine. And as she exits the home sometime between 5.30 pm and 6.00 pm, a middle aged man in a white dress shirt and dark dress pants quickly approached a Thalia, pulled out a machete and began to hack her to death. Holy shit. And so it wasn't our main character. It's probably a hired situation. So we, I'm just going to say right now, we have no idea. Okay. So this man in the white dress shirt and dark pants approaches begins to hack at her with a machete. It struck nine times with this thing and sustained defensive wounds on her arms. One finger was severed and one police arrived. They described her body as nearly decapitated. Oh my God. Fuck. It was an extremely brutal and bloody murder. It was in public on her doorstep, just really shocking. Her blue and white dress was hiked up when they found her. She was lost, her pearls were scattered on the sidewalk. Clementine's bird cage was smashed and the bird was never seen again. So someone stole Clementine or like they was like you flew away or it or yeah, who knows? Yeah. No clue. So also, you learn in that that they weren't robbing her because her pearls are everywhere. Right. It does feel like if it were a hired hit, it was not done. Well, I don't know. I was going to say it wasn't done well because it was in broad daylight, but maybe they wanted it to be a spectacle of like could could very well be. And you know, that's where this case starts to get really twisty turny is because you're thinking, well, would they, that's what they would want you to think, but that's what they would want you to think, you know, and it kind of goes in that cycle. So you're definitely onto something. Unfortunately, there was, well, fortunately, there was a witness, but unfortunately, it was an 18 year old boy named Locke McCormick, who lived next door. And he heard what he described as a peculiar slapping noise while he was just reading a magazine, he looked out the window and saw a man swinging his arm downward and walking away toward neighbor Allen's property. - So Locke ran inside and told his mother and grandmother, and I quote, "Mr. Stanford is hitting Mrs. Poncelle because from his perspective, you wouldn't think like as machete with a machete hitting that person and walking toward Mr. Stanford's house." So he's like, Mr. Stanford was just hitting her, but he didn't really understand. The McCormick's found a Thalia, they went over there and they found her in a pool of blood, just the worst possible scenario, and called the police, of course, and a trail of blood led from the body toward the driveway at the south side of a Thalia's home, right near neighbor Allen's house. There was no weapon found at the scene, and in February of 1974, a county mechanic named Dewey Lee searched a marsh miles away to claim a $500 reward, and he did because he found a package in the marsh containing a blood-stained white shirt, dark blue trousers, a belt, a purple tie, and a wristwatch. And near this packet was a rusty machete, and when they traced the wristwatch back by its serial number, it went straight to neighbor Allen. - Uh-oh, that'll do it. - The shirt and pants were also identified as having been purchased by Allen's wife, and his name was written in some of them. But this is when you start to get into the theory of, is it too obvious? She has a public feud with this guy. Did someone else want her dead? And like say, well, this is easy. Her neighbor fucking hates her and says he's gonna kill her, and then she went to the county, whatever, and said, my neighbor says he's gonna kill me, but then again, you look at every other fucking pattern, and guess what, a man says he's gonna kill you, but he just might, so. - I mean, is it, so it could have been him. - Yeah. - I mean, could it have been like a stalker who like was obsessed with her on TV or something? - I don't think so. - I know it's like random, but. - I think it was more an act of-- - I mean, all the clothes say his name, you know? Nevermind. - I mean, yeah, it was definitely like an act of some sort of, but the alternate theory being like, maybe it was the new husband or somebody who wanted her out of the picture and found the neighbor to be an easy scapegoat. Do you know what I mean? - It feels too easy to me. - It feels too easy, but then I'm also like, but men have done worse for, not worse, but like men have done she like this for like lesser insults or like, you know what I mean? So I'm like, it could very well just be he had no, he wasn't in control of his fucking. - I mean, I guess you like, you have to have a very specific level of rage to not think, to at least do it in a place for nobody's gonna see. - Yeah, he had to make you one red to do that. - Right, I think I'm gonna get away with this, or I don't even think we're not getting away with it. - Right, exactly, my thoughts, exactly. It's sort of like, either he was so fucking pissed that he like lost any semblance of, I've got to cover this up, 'cause I have an important job I want to keep. And he just totally threw that out the window or it was somebody like kind of pointing it to him. - But it's like trying to peg it on him, yeah. - Yeah, I agree, 'cause I just found that really strange, but you know, sometimes it is just the simplest answer. So anyway, we'll get to it. So we get now back to the investigation, Alan after finding, after this package was found, and like that too, you know, people have pointed to like, oh, a packet with his clothes that have his name on it, like, doesn't that feel a little obvious? But it's also like, well, yeah, if you have clothes, you killed someone in, you would hide them, you know, in the woods or something. So I go back and forth. Either way, he's arrested, 'cause of course, and indicted for a first degree murder four weeks into the investigation. At the trial, defense attorney Edward Booth argued that the Sheriff's Office had planted the evidence to frame Alan, which is like a huge claim to say that the Sheriff's Office planted this. But that's because they had this sort of alternate theory they were presenting to the jury. Booth suggested that the mechanic who had found the clothes and stuff, Dewey Lee, could have committed the crime and then planted them to get the reward. He also claimed like, maybe it was her, somebody else because you know, she's so unlikable, right? Like mate, she had a lot of enemies. Yeah, anybody, exactly. He actually characterized her as an obnoxious, strange and vicious woman with many enemies. And the neighbor, when they brought him up, lock under cross-examination, he actually recanted that it was Mr. Stanford. And he said the killer, he saw was actually heavier with more hair. So it's like unclear whether or not-- - There's that person. - For example, the guy, which guy? - Sorry, so it does, that's-- - He was basically saying he was recanting. - Right, but he wasn't the. - Mr. Stanford, what's his-- - Yeah, Alan Stanford, he's saying, oh, this guy was way heavier and had more hair than Alan Stanford, couldn't have been him. And it was further complicated because the sheriff had actually had him interviewed under hypnosis. So now, one's arguing like, well, is his story now true? Or is it like less true? It's just unclear like he's changing his story, so that kind of makes it more confusing. Witnesses provided an alibi stating that Alan was actually in his office at the time of the murder. And so whether these people were telling the truth or were part of some other plan, the jury deliberated for only two to two and a half hours. And interestingly enough, side note, during deliberations, the jurors were served a quote, "dinner on the county." - And that's fucking bribery, babe. - Yeah, like the guy works for the county, the guy who's on trial for murder, like less we forget. - I feel like it could have been him and even though the neighbor is saying, oh, well, I don't think it was him because he was heavier or whatever. I mean, I know what my neighbors look like. - And the sheriff made him go under hypnosis to like, it's just the whole thing reeks of something weird. I think-- - If I looked at the window and I saw someone hitting or stabbing my neighbor, I would know pretty immediately who it was. Like for him to so quickly go, "Oh, it was Alan." And then they'd go like, "Oh, well, he's heavier." And like, fuck that. He also could have looked heavier 'cause he was hunched over stabbing a dead woman. - Yeah, but then you wonder, like he just maybe assumed it was him and never saw his face. Like maybe it was like, - I guess so. Maybe I'm like reading too much into like what I would do, but like if I saw someone, I would-- - You're right, you're right. - I'd be like, who is that? Who is doing that? - You wouldn't just say that must be Alan. - Like maybe someone were attacking someone, even if it was on their front step, you wouldn't assume it's the next door neighbor. You'd be like, "Who's attacking my next door neighbor?" - Especially if there are in a small town, everybody knows everybody. And this guy is like a major player that everyone knows. You know, and they've got beef and you know that he's two doors down from you. I mean, and one of the sources I saw him say, like that the stature or the walk reminded him of him. And I'm like, well, then I think maybe we can trust him. - I think he was just a kid and he was scared of like accusing someone who has power and lives two doors down. - Yeah. - Yeah, I agree. - I'm sure he was threatened. - If this guy is paying the jury, or giving the jury all this really nice meals, like shut them up, or we talk them in some way, I'm sure he also bribed or secretly threatened this 18 year old kid who was like, "Your mom and your grandma live here." And like some blue look. - Yeah. - And you know what I'm capable of, like he could have said anything or like said-- - Who knows? Or even the sheriff said, "You can't fuck with, "you can't fuck with the cow." Like he's on the county, you have to do this or that. Like what are you gonna do, you know, if the sheriff tells you? Yeah, so I agree, it's definitely shady. - This feels like a closed case to me. - I mean, it's like once you put it out, all out like that, it feels pretty obvious. So they of course paint her as having lots of enemies and it could be anyone. And then like, you know, two hours of deliberation while they eat dinner on his dime, he's found not guilty. So the sheriff says he refuses to pursue anyone else. He says he believed he had the right man when he did and now it's just everybody's just gonna move on. So you think that's the end. - Oh, it's not. - Okay. - So of course you can imagine that this murder stirred up some drama in town and stirred up a lot of talk. This woman was already divisive. She was well known. She'd been on, she'd been a television personality. She was married to the former mayor. Like she's, this is a big deal. She was murdered to death with a machete on her front step. Like this is big news. So when reporters are going around, like talking to those who knew her, one of her friends, Frances Beamis was her name. She was like a friend who lived nearby and she was like, you know what, I'm actually like writing, she did have a lot of people that didn't like her very much and I'm actually writing a book about this case on my friend's murder because I'm like trying to get to the bottom of it. She was a 76 year old PR specialist, newspaper writer and fashion director. So she was very much like high up for a woman of that time. like in the career world, you know? And so she was like, I'm gonna write about this. And she was very open about that. She was gathering material for a book about a Thales death. She claimed she had information pertinent to the case. But she told people like, I am not afraid of this beautiful community we have. I'm still gonna go on my daily walks. She actually even insisted that she had taken a walk the night a Thalia was killed. And I was like, okay. - I love your commitment to the bed. - Yeah, it's a little bit like that's not really a nice thing to say, but okay, yeah, sure. So anyway, she goes on these daily walks and she insists that like the community's still safe. And we fast forward 10 months. November 3rd, 1974, Francis goes for her nightly walk and disappears. - It's a fucking guy. Like what are you talking about? - It's this fucking guy, okay? Her body is found the next day in a vacant lot near the corner of bridge and marine streets. Her skull had been crushed with a concrete block. - Yeah, that says violent is getting stabbed with a fucking machete until you're almost a captain. It's the same guy. - Yeah. And her body was partly burned to destroy evidence, but like it didn't work. So they just left everything there. - Oh my God. - And like remember, she's a PR specialist and a professional writer and was reportedly gathering evidence about this murder and was gonna write a book about it. And she went on her daily routine walk like and talked about it in the newspaper. I mean, it's just horrifying. So like of course, the story immediately became like, oh my God, Francis knew something. She knew too much and she was too open about it and she wanted to reveal it and was killed to keep her quiet, especially because she was known for being so outspoken and she even insinuated a friend's like, I have more information than I can even let on. Sorry, there's like teenagers outside. - It's not like that, I'm fine. - This is their 10 minutes where they get to giggle with their brush. - I know. And scream and like play this thing about packs. I know, I know. - Parma, we were the same. - I get it, I do. - Someone's probably stealing a boy's baseball hat right now. - Yes, and like where, oh my God, you're so right. And someone's just like, longingly like jealous. - Oh, that was me every time. - That was me too. Okay, so her murder occurred on November 3rd, 1974. I know I said this already, but it's important because roughly 10 months after Aethelia's death is when this took place. And this was also, while preparations were being made for the trial of Alan Stanford. So don't you think maybe she would have been somebody that was called upon to testify if she did have some-- - I'm sure we do. - So the killer had ripped off her clothes and attempted to burn the body to destroy evidence, but failed, but there was no evidence of sexual assault so that like further pointed to this motive of, you know, trying to silence her. Despite the high profile nature of this crime and like the compounding effect of the first crime, the initial investigation was described as flawed and basically yielded no suspects, no leads, like just fizzled out. - Beyond me. - Just beyond. So the St. Augustine Police Department actually reopened the case in 2012 because they wanted to apply more modern DNA testing to the evidence, but they actually were not able to really get much. And so both cases to this day remain unsolved. - Like that's the stupidest one to be unsolved. - Isn't that like infuriating? And it's just the story of like a successful woman that everyone hated, like and the men-- - Or like a powerful man who gets away with that. - That got away with it. - Just because of their feelings were hurt or there was a goat outside. I know that's simplifying it. I know, okay guys, but like, come on. - It's crazy. - I'm just sick of this shit. - It just feels so obvious to me. - Yes, it's so fucking obvious. It's like we finally have a fun character with a fucking burn and it has a TV show. And like-- - It started so silly. - Right? Like it was like a buddy comedy for a minute and then you had to go and fuck it all up. Pisses me off. - Well, one of the odds that we're bummed again. - Well, my stomach just turned is now I have to go to Jiu-Jitsu and I'm terrified. - Take a cloth up in, like a little-- - No, then I'm gonna just fall asleep. - Oh, right, right, right. - I was thinking more like of a, like a preprandal all-situation where like it just makes you a little less nervous, but-- - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Maybe I'll just do a breathing exercise. I don't know. - Well, you're gonna do great. - So why am I so nervous? I think it's because it's like blazes friends and stuff and like-- - Yeah, you wanna impress them. - Crowd and I just, I just don't even wanna impress them. I just wanna like be normal. - I would wanna impress them, or maybe it's not impress, it's like I don't wanna embarrass myself. - Exactly, like I just don't wanna do something really dumb. Like I don't think anybody's judging me, but it's like I don't, I just wanna make sure I'm like a good representation of myself today, you know? - And that's why I got preprandal all-situation. - Yeah, I get it. - The stage fright of it all. - Thank you, thank you. Maybe I do have some left. I'll go look. - Yeah, I've preprandal never heard anyone. It's a good time. - Yeah, don't, we're not doctors, don't take that medical advice. - And by anyone I mean me. (laughing) - All right, well, and that's why we drink.