E483 Caterpillar Surprises and Tamagotchi Funerals

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Anyway, for a limited time, our listeners can get the Flamingo starter set for only $7 at shopflamingo.com slash drink. This set includes the, a Flamingo original razor, one five blade cartridge, a one ounce foaming shave gel, and a shower holder. Just head to shopflamingo.com slash drink to claim this offer. And after you purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. So please support our show and tell them that we sent you. Oh, Christine. Christine. Ah, yes. I don't know. It's a lot of breath noises today. It's having a weird day. I don't know. I'm in like a funk for the last like two days. Um, so I don't really, I don't know. I want to, I'm happy to be here, but I'm also like, like, I just kind of feel like silly putty. You know what I mean? I totally get that. You know, yesterday I said I was walking around feeling like a bruise. I love that. I mean, I'm so sorry. Yeah, no, thank you. I loved it too. I was like, wow. That's so poetic of me. If I were 16 and saw them in someone's Zanga, I'd be like, they're going places. That's why we never met as high schoolers. It would have been really ugly for everybody. It would have been, you would have been too powerful. Cause I would have done something bad. Like we would have like made a fake my space. Yeah. Now that's going to be my new emo hit single. Can you sign my bruise, please? That's fucking insane. I'm writing that down. Eva, write that down, please. It's too good to waste. That does feel like. It's like someone's like hidden secret track that never made it on the album. It's good. It shouldn't be hidden. We should bring it to the surface. Like a bruise. Can, oh my God. Hold on. Hold that thought. This magic is flowing. Can you sign my bruise? I'm going to find this tomorrow and be like, what the fuck is going on? I feel like you're only going to find that when you're already like deliriously sick or something. I'd be like, am I even reading this right? I'd be like, please, why did you write this to me? Well, I'm sorry. You feel like a bruise. Did anything cause that? Or are you just kind of. Oh, yeah. Everything, you know? Okay. Yeah. You know, you know, when everything's just like punching you in the face and you're like, wait, that's cool. So. Yeah, I do. Yeah. But a bruise is a perfect way to describe that. You know, you're just like kind of overly sensitive. Like things just kind of hurt a little more that day everywhere. You know, I think I've. Yeah. I mean, I think mine has been more like. I feel like a bruise on the inside, but on the outside. I've been like just like sensory nightmare. Like every sound is too loud now. Yeah. Like Allison today. Like I was so mean to her and she's gone now, so I can't apologize yet. But literally she was like just trying to leave the house, but she wasn't doing it fast enough for me. And I was like, can you leave? I was like, I was so mean. I used to sound like Leona talking to my mom. You can leave now. And I wasn't trying to be mean. I was just like, I was overwhelmed. And I was like, once she's gone, some of the noises will be gone. And then I think we can all. Relate to that. It's like you just kind of snap. Like it's like there's something has to give, you know? Yeah. And luckily she looked at me and was like, it's time I leave. She's like, actually, I'd rather do nothing more than leave. Goodbye. Yeah. But no, it just it's so weird. I don't know what's going on. Maybe it's just like, I don't know. It feels like. Listen, Uranus is in Gemini. Things are topsy turvy. It's it's a wild time. Well, is that why you drink, though? Is it Allison's and her delayed departure? Or is it just the. General malaise? I think the general malaise. I because part of me is like, maybe I just need to leave the house. But then when I leave the house, I'm like, oh, I'd rather just be home. Maybe I'm. Then you're in the June bloom. Yeah. I was going to say, usually that kind of. Yeah. One of the. One of the things that made me happy this week, though, to try to keep it happy. Oh, and then my Tamagotchi died, as I told you yesterday or two days ago. Oh, yeah. It was my longest streak I've had with one. I bought a new one. So. Do they die forever? You can't like reset them. So I did because I. I think I'm depressed. I think you could probably. I think the battery just died. And I was so lazy. I just. Oh, OK. OK. So the other one. Is it in a drawer? Is it like out the window? I buried her in my drawer. Oh, and then I thought you meant you literally buried her. That took me a second to understand that you are not literally saying you buried her. No, I think. OK. I was getting bored of of her look. And so I just needed a new look. So you replaced your own child. Yeah. But then the last one was such a long streak. This is another thing I like. I think comes with the like. It's like the mild symptoms of disinterest or depression or whatever it would be. But I got a new Tamagotchi. I was like, but the other one I just spent so much time on. Like, I don't really want to touch this one. Like, I just. Oh, wow. You do sound like Liana today. Yeah. I think I'm just feeling whiny. You know, I get it. I mean, especially with the sensory stuff, you know, that'll push you over the edge. Yeah. I was really proud of myself that I kept it going for so long. But. Well, good for you. I mean, don't let that. Don't let that streak be diminished, you know. I'll try. Anyway. I don't know. I'm feeling. What are you drinking? Is there peppy? Something peppy you got? No, it's just water. It's just water. Shit. But I was going to say the thing that makes me happy is that I yesterday went to a coffee shop and the cashier there, which, by the way, shout out Three Sisters Coffee. They're actually they're listeners of the show. And you can say they're actually three sisters. I was like, well, there are actually three sisters. But they're they're like one of my favorite coffee shops in the area. And I went there and whoever their cashier was that day, they were so excited. Every person who was like up next and paying for something, I guess, like the local paper had just come out and they were like, oh, wait, can I read your horoscope to you? And every person got their horoscope read to them. Oh, I love that. Oh, my God. That's so fun. This energy was exactly what I needed. And then it ended up turning into like it was very like it felt very small town because it made everybody in the coffee shop talk about like their sign and like what their horoscope said. And then you could hear like the baristas and the people sitting down. I'll be like, well, what's your big three? Well, what's your big three? It was very L.A. And then you all ended up on overheard L.A. is where I was going next. Yeah. Yeah, definitely on Instagram. Yeah. Anyway, that's the reason why I drink this week. But why do you drink, Christine? Oh, I love that. Well, well, you have water. I actually got myself. This is my new thing. OK, I've got myself a little matcha. Love. I'm in the new I'm in the matcha zone finally took me. Like several years to actually try it and get into it. But you're not there yet. I mean, I'm trying to lower my caffeine intake. So the coffee, you know, I'm trying to kind of do less coffee in the afternoon. So let me just open this. So it's not a sound nightmare for everybody. Hold on. Cincinnati or Kentucky still has a good old plastic. You know, everything's still really hardcore plastic. You don't have the sugar cane straws yet. We still got plastic bags in grocery stores. I didn't. We canceled that. I think in the last couple of months, I think L.A. is now all paper. I think they canceled that a long time ago. Did they? In the last few weeks, I've noticed. Oh, I see. OK, well, I think the thing was that you had to pay for them. We still have free plastic bags like they just like load them up and you get like six bags with one thing of eggs in it. And I'm like, OK, thanks. Anyway, why do I drink this week? Well, you know, I'm really excited about this. We don't often do sort of like. Immersive sponsors, but no CD is so much more to me than just a sponsor. They are a really important service for people who suffer with OCD, which is kind of what we're discussing today. Not kind of. It is literally what we're discussing today. And they reached out and said, hey, we'd love to do some like a little segment. And I said, oh, my gosh, like normally that kind of doesn't flow with the show. But like, hello, this is perfect. We talk about these things anyway. And I'm just such a fan. a fan of what they do that I thought this was perfect and I thought I would just you know say this week I drink because um OCD is really really really really tough and it's like when you're in those places where things are even harder like you're saying like the general like malaise or just the day-to-day stress then like OCD finds the vulnerable spots and like rears its ugly head at least for me and that's like my experience and so interestingly one of the reasons this podcast even got started is because I had OCD we I didn't know this I had not been diagnosed wait it was my first time hearing this I think so I really wasn't so the I guess it's sort of tangential but what I mean to say is that my interest in true crime sort of began as a result of my OCD because I would fixate on true crime as this sort of control right like I would I would I would watch all this true crime and consume all this true crime media and say okay well the more I understand this the less likely it'll happen to me like I had this very um and I don't talk about that often on the show but that is actually what my therapist back in 2018 um so the year after we started the show my therapist was like I'm gonna suggest something gently and it sounds a lot like maybe you are exhibiting signs of OCD. And I said well that doesn't make sense because you know I mean OCD for us growing up was like Adrian Monk you know like the extreme you know the stereotype all that the tidiness the cleanliness the washing the hands the checking the stove and those are things that people do right yeah I feel like a lot of us grew up thinking like OCD was kind of like the butt of a joke if you were doing something a little like overzealous or whatever right and it became like kind of just a part of the vernacular to say like I'm so OCD you know and we all know that. We all kind of have seen that happen but um in real life it's actually just so much scarier like it it's so much internal happening that you don't necessarily realize like how how damaging it can be until you start like unpacking it yeah if you feel comfortable what like what were the signs that were obvious enough to your therapist in 2018 oh yeah okay I love this so that's a great question because I really fodder on it I was like I don't think that makes sense like I don't have OCD. And she said okay you know we'll talk about it but she had actually done her dissertation on very specific signs of OCD so if anyone knew it was her she was like well we'll bring this she's like let me bring my PhD along yeah circle back um but basically she asked if there were ever times that I took actions that fell out of my control sort of like compulsions because I felt that they would make some sort of difference you know like exhibit a control over my life somehow so for example when I was little I would picture. This is trigger warning for the whole show but like specifically for for um intrusive thoughts um I would picture my mom every time she would go to the grocery store and I would watch my brother and sister um I would envision her dying in a really horrible fiery car wreck because if I did that very viscerally and really believed it then she would come home safely and like the worst possible you know fun little trap I invented because then of course she'd come home and I'd go excellent I saved her. I mean I started this when I was like six or no four actually yeah and it just makes you think like well the last time I actually did save her so now I have to keep doing it it's yep magical thinking and then you start kind of you build patterns and your brain is just trying to find like structure and safety and so it goes okay well you know if you tap the drawer every time you close it like you'll be and you don't necessarily even consciously realize it right so it's like oh I have to turn this the light switch off six times to know that I turned off the light or uh you know I. used to check as you know under every bed and inside every closet for murderers because if I didn't then I would get murdered and I was like so sure of it that like at hotels I would be I mean I found lemon this way this is literally how I oh my god how did I not think to bring lemon into the equation that's literally how I found lemon was through my OCD. I know I know I remember wow but at the time I it's also it's an I don't know if I'm really saying anything all that profound here but sometimes I guess OCD can look like signs that other people will. happily excuse away because it's it justified oh absolutely it's justified by the environment like yeah we're all staying in a weird Airbnb like I'm not going to judge you for looking in the closet and so that probably affirms you even more especially with the true crime right so then I would dig into the true crime and then I would say okay if I I mean this is one of the worst ones this is the one where my therapist said we need to work on this which is where exposure and response prevention comes in which is what no CD specializes in um and ERP therapy really saved me because I was doing so much true crime research at that point and working a full-time job and I told her I've never said this before on the show but it's true um the biggest the biggest sticking point for me at the time that was almost like it was like activating all my um autoimmune stuff like I was so sick what I did was every time I researched a story I would envision myself as the victim or the family member of the victim and I would like I did with my mom when she was young I would envision the entire thing like as if this were to happen to blaze or my mom or my child or you know and so toll on you yeah yeah and it was like every story I would have to like and I would tell her well that's that's empathy and she would be like no that's you know it's more it's it's something beyond that like you're telling yourself it's empathy you're you're making it make sense in your own head but in reality like why do you do that and we got to the core of it and it was that I thought well if I know all the ways that someone can be harmed I can avoid all of the ways that someone can be harmed and it like which is how so many women especially get into true crime by the way like that's very common it is like a control thing right that's at least what I believe yeah 100% and so it really wrapped up and that became as I recognized it and was able to like pull away and realize like oh that magical thinking isn't real you can appreciate a story and empathize with a story without like putting yourself in the story in fact I think that almost takes away from the story right that just became almost a turning point for me well no it did become a turning point for me and I've worked on my OCD ever since and it really opened up avenues to understand my anxiety my depression I think a lot of that was like they're all very closely related and so anyway I've just loved OCD for as many years as I've known it which is several and it's it's just a really cool resource so if you do know anyone who may be going through this or if you're hearing this and going oh boy that sounds familiar you know just check in and OCD it's a really really open safe environment there they it's very professional and they they they know what they're doing and not every therapist necessarily is experienced in that way so we love no CD we're so thankful for them and um I'm just really uh this was one of my like very I I just was like I'm in I'm in sign me up you know so perfect perfect well I'm I'm glad you're doing better and not suffering in silence it sounds like you didn't even know you were suffering that's right that's the craziest part is so much of it is internal that you don't even realize and then when you start saying it out loud you're like other do other people and then you yeah that's when it kind of becomes more of like community I know the ladies and tangents um gals have talked about OCD a lot and of course I went to Jerry's bachelorette and like everyone was like oh my god what type of OCD do you have you know I mean I I originally only thought you had the like the tapping on the on the google drive but that's oh yeah I always forgot that was even yeah well Christina and I shared uh would share on drive like our uh like documents and stuff and so I would see her tapping and highlighting the text that she was talking about all the time but to a point where like I couldn't read no you can't it's insufferable and so I was like what are you doing are you I thought the computer was glitching but had I not even known or seen that because of google drive showing it to me I don't think I would even know that you suffer at all like it's yeah there's little things that I didn't that to this day like you just said that and I went oh I didn't really ever relate that to OCD but yeah you're totally right I just it was like my only insight into it at all and then at the time when I was like what happened you were like oh I just like OCD and it just I'm sure that's what it is yeah but I just took it as like a oh just like a like a habit or something but but it really I mean we've known each other for a long time and I barely know the surface of what you go through with that so like it is very much an isolating yeah it can be totally isolating that's true yeah and I I so I jumped on the experience to to chat about it because I thought you know can't hurt to to discuss things more you know and yeah help anyone who might anything um even remotely OCD whether and you know what sometimes it is the hygiene you know and the that's not that that also manifests I mean you watch things like hoarders and now I'm realizing I had a hoarding OCD tendency anyway it's fine this is for the next no CD segment we'll do it another time we could do a whole podcast probably but anyway um thank you no CD and that is why I drink um and that is why I go to therapy and that is why I love ERP therapy um and then that's that on that well I am very happy for you this is also what for the thousandth time in our lives let's normalize therapy and shout out to all the therapists out there who are taking care of us because society needs you so badly all the time while also taking care of themselves you know also taking care of themselves I uh I have therapy tomorrow and I can't wait to use the bruise uh oh my god I used it this morning and I said that and my therapist was didn't even like flinch and I'm like am I that poetic that I don't even make you flinch anymore you just went right into the skin yeah I said you just you just feel me that deeply you know I'm very excited to use the bruise metaphor simile um analogy oh my god thank you so much for asking um a simile is when you use like or as and a metaphor is the other one right yeah i've always thought metaphor is the more poetic one because you have to like think about it yeah because you just say what it is and then the other person has to figure it out simile is is holding your hand through it that's right yeah the lazy analogy simile you know i'm like a bruise ah i am a bruise please oh wow i felt it poke me like a bruise um can you can you sign my bruise wait you didn't tell us what you are drinking did you i did my matcha your matcha your matcha that's right which is new to me and i'm like i'm like you're i'm like a a parent who just discovered the hip new thing i'm like guys have you heard about this you know i i i want to like it so bad purely for the color just tastes like i'm licking dirt it's kind of like eating grass and like for me i find that an enjoyable experience and i think it's an it's one of those you either like or you don't yeah i i i don't i don't know who tried it first and went this is really killer like someone it's i feel like it's like you have to have like the well it's sort of a green tea so it's like the it's like a green tea but then a little more yeah but i feel like i feel like it's like um what's the right word i don't know i don't know i'll think of it later i guess i know it's like people have been drinking it forever and ever and ever but like oh it's like the cilantro gene to me where i'm like i feel like you either have it or you don't yeah yeah yeah i do not yeah and i i don't think i did for a long time i think it was not for me it's only now that i'm like kind of i think it is an acquired taste and i i don't know i just got to a point when i was like maybe i'll try it and i'll like it and i had some lavender in it like how you do and i was like this shit is good lavender makes everything that kind of horrible yeah then it tastes like i was eating a whole garden yeah that i can't do you gotta it's a you gotta do a tasteful lavender pump yeah it can't be the too much that really ruins it for me um anyway but yes that is my beverage of choice today i'm proud of you i wish i had something more interesting than water but um it was we were struggling over here i it was nobody slept well in this house last night so it was you know what's so funny is mondays have been oh no today's it's yeah today's wednesday hot lol okay i was gonna say mondays have been hard to sleep because remember the last two i had mcdonald's coffee the monday night but then last night we ordered mcdonald's and i was like oh my god i'll get a giant iced coffee and then i saw the fucking reel that megan made where my spinny loading wheel is just going above and above and i was like oh my god i'll get a giant iced coffee and i was like i cannot order an iced coffee today so i did not and i did not have one last night so i slept great for once i'm happy i'm sorry that you did not but i think i've realized that the mcdonald's coffee was the problem all along i'm so proud of you i well that makes sense you would have some matcha and yeah trying to low like lower shift lower gears you know i'll you know here's another i'll end on this one one of the reasons i drink i think i've officially hit the age and i'm currently in the process of denial um i'm not sure if i'm going to be able to um i think i've officially hit the age where caffeine affects me like gives me palpitations and stuff i really didn't have to deal with that for a long time i was very lucky okay so i think that might be what's happening to me too because i suddenly feel so old when i drink caffeine because i'm like ah my body can't handle it like i thought i was having a panic attack i was like i was having a panic attack i literally texted allison yesterday i was like i think it's xanox o'clock like i fucking something's wrong and i had been at the coffee shop and drank like three of like three drinks yeah my my i was like putting stuff in my like journal thing and i was like i can't tell why my body is shaking and i'm buzzing and i feel like jumping out of my skin and it was like have you had caffeine today and i was like well no but i did have a cold brew and a cup of hot tea and like a mcdonald's iced coffee and uh whatever coffee espresso beans like yes yeah it really will fuck you up i think i wasn't aware i've never like caffeine really has never affected me especially in the world of like keeping me awake like it's never done that and i think adhd also is messes with that right yeah so i've always heard it's the reverse effect where like it actually makes you sleepy and i don't know if that's true or not but i do know i could always have like a whole can of soda and then go to bed like wow but it never kept me awake i never i always thought that was like people were just like making shit up and they're like oh i have this test i have to drink a bunch of red worse though isn't it what's that that's the worst though isn't it because caffeine really affects me which like i pretend like i don't know until it's too late but like yeah that feeling of like that buzzing and then try it at like two in the morning and you're it's like oh you'll go crazy it was um it's it's a new experience for me and i'm very sorry i don't know what that indicates like maybe you're more in tune with your body maybe that's a really nice way to put it i i think i'm just getting old now like i just i've never maybe in our old age our bodies are like we're actually done putting up with this shit like we're gonna tell you about it now you know well it didn't it literally like last night i was like maybe it's that i drank so new new like as of 24 hours like i see because i literally was texting allison about how i was like i'm having a full-blown anxiety attack what the fuck is going on with me like i'm freaking out and then i was like oh i think i just maybe i had caffeine this is what people have always told me happens to them maybe it's me but yeah it's weird though like because you're like wait a minute yeah because you yeah just flip the switch i'm now inside it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's hard well i'm sorry that sucks um it's not fun to be over caffeinated even though it sounds fun well now i'm on the journey of figuring out that everything i've been drinking and eating probably has like insane caffeine and i never noticed because i'm drinking water a little out of fear i'm like what what if that happens again like what what else have i been drinking that has caffeine and honestly probably everything so i mean as long as you're not doing major energy drinks all the time i know it just that feeling was horrible i'd like really freak me out anyway everybody i'm so sorry we're like a little downward spirals today a lot of problems out there today what are yeah right in what are your problems this week please bring them on in i mean it's literally called and that's why we drink and i can't be happy every week folks sorry yeah we try oh no i can't even have my my teas right up top we would like to thank embark vet.com for supporting and that's why we drink if you go to embark vet.com you can save 10 on the breed and health test and get free shipping with promo code drink obviously i've talked before that i was able to figure out that hank is mainly um rottweiler and bernie's mountain he's also majorly cocker spaniel and then he's kind of an assortment of other things including german shepherd and chow and pomeranian somehow 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at the coffee shop because i was doing my notes and halfway through doing my notes i realized that that the all the notes i had gathered were about two different locations under the same name stop and i thought i was tripping balls i was like why the fuck of course you had an anxiety attack jesus it was um basically what i'm going to cover for you i was thinking like oh i was kind of reminiscing about my idaho trip and which i never really discussed with anyone except the fact that i slept in a potato but well we talked about it in yappy hour you did a rundown in yappy hour okay good good good um i forgot about that um but i was thinking about it and i was like what are some haunted places blah blah and i literally drove past this place while i was there and i even took a picture of it so i was like this feels like a landmark if there was to be and i was like oh my god i'm going to be one and um so it's in boise and it's the egyptian theater oh and i like i have a picture of my phone some egyptian theaters well so there's seven okay i was gonna say there's surely there are more than two yeah talk about tripping balls and i'm like oh the egyptian theater the egyptian theater and i'm like this is definitely multiple places this one's in cairo egypt the ultimate egyptian theater the real egyptian theater uh so the two that i got stuck on were one in idaho and one in illinois that was those were the two that i kept oh and that's confusing yes to me to me a person who doesn't know geography to me as well they both start with an i that's enough for me it's too sorry now i'm lost so i'm here to tell you that this will be a two-parter because i did all the notes anyway and i was like fuck this it's going somewhere so this week i'm covering one that word is such a trigger for me people we're not we're gonna remember and remembers i know i don't remember mine is not a two-parter this week do not stress i'll remember because i've already done the notes and i'll remember when i have to record again i'll go oh thank god i already did the notes so yeah you know what's so annoying is when i do that and then i realize i had notes like i had them i just didn't read them yeah it's fucking infuriating so anyway yes go ahead so this is one of two egyptian theaters and i'm not gonna do all seven please don't make me do another multi-parter i'll scream i will i didn't make you do that but i won't do it again well if i find enough information i'd do it but these when i typed in egyptian theater haunted and started like doing a little google a couple days ago it was only those two locations the other two don't seem to be very haunted or popular so Oh no shade okay so um here's the first one this one's in boise idaho and it opened in 1927 sidebar they were so fucking similar that i didn't notice for so long and while doing my research they were both in the 1920s they both have the same designs they both have the same history as to why they're called the egyptian theater they both had the same kind of timeline oh my god are they copycats like did one make it at the same time is no i was just like and all the ghosts are kind of similar so it's like like spoiler alert and the next one is like a ghost the next two episodes will be kind of similar sorry about that but their vhs yeah just when you're listening next week imagine this episode again and be like oh i can see why you thought you were like i mean i'm already i i'm already seeing every it's already sounding like the same place so this was open in 1927 fun fact i had to throw some fun facts in here the very first movie that it played was a silent film um and it was i don't know i hope you've heard of this but it's this don juan oh don juan yes starring john barrymore i didn't know him weirdly i don't know who that is you got i mean is that drew barrymore's like like like the famous family yes yeah yeah yeah but i don't think i knew his first name which is so weird christine one day one day we oh my god we have to deep dive on the barrymore family tree i don't know this i don't know this i'm out of the loop i'm out of the loop like i know from drew barrymore pov like a little bit and that's it like i don't i don't think i knew all the lore behind i know oh so she's in like a faint like the like she's like the fourth generation of barrymore's that are all in the industry so i've seen those creepy photos where she's like in all the like elite like ugh it's just creepy creepy all the way back where she's like a little girl and she's like sitting on the laps of these grown-ass men and like it's like yeah she grew up in that story through hollywood for sure yeah yeah yeah um but no she um knows her her great-grandfather was the first of the berry and and the grandma they got married they were a power power couple in hollywood four generations ago okay and what's his name again sorry i know his name was maurice barrymore oh but what's the guy in don juan oh john we'll get there don't worry now that i'm on this so maurice and it was like georgiana or something they got married and neither of them by the way have the last name barrymore one of them their last name was it was maurice blythe and georgiana drew and then they ended up having three kids who were like very famous power siblings in the industry and all of them took on the name barrymore actually i think the original couple they've all been barrymore's as their stage name but so the family started as blythe's and drew's which fun fact i love that um our favorite the queen she has the perfect name because she combined all three and her legal name is drew blythe barrymore see that's cool that's it sounds good but so they had three kids all of them were super duper famous they all married people also in the industry i think they had some of them had kids in the industry but one of them then had john jr who is drew's dad okay got it got it got it got it okay so i did actually know that way better than i thought i did um i'm honestly like amazed i don't even know how you just did that just pulled that out okay man forget the duggers like jeez you know everyone's family trees john barrymore starts with a j that's the only reason i was able to okay um oh j i was like okay i don't get it oh fucking duggers of course um okay so he started in don juan which i've always heard that phrase like when like my parents or adults their age would talk about oh he's such a don juan like a playboy and i was like what the fuck does that really mean who the hell's don juan because i never saw the movie i'm so sorry to the film junkies out there but this is where i tell you here's a fun it's the film that has the most kisses in film history and don juan kisses i want you to guess how many times he kisses a woman in this movie 30 191 oh jesus wow so so no kidding it was um like the average was uh a kiss every less than a minute like every like 50 seconds or something jesus um and it could be like a peck on the cheek or whatever but that man was a kissing mwah mwah mwah fun fact it was also the first this is a quote first film with a completely synchronized soundtrack oh okay so in the 1920s certainly a big movie to play as your first at the premiere of the theater agreed lots of smooching agreed um the lots of smooching yeah and in the 1920s like so not modest no i guess it was also flapper era right so oh right so why it's the egyptian theater like the other ones because um a few years earlier like five years earlier um king tut's tomb was discovered i see and apparently unbeknownst to me the country our nation our fallen nation um may she rest in peace may she rest in peace apparently in the 1920s after king tut's tomb was discovered people like had a crazed egypt fascination yes yes like didn't know that like to the extreme like they were eating powdered mummy and stuff like that huh yes people would like eat powdered mummy and it was like they would go into these places these like white men and would go into these places and like ravage the tombs and then come home with like all these trinkets and like display them and it would be like body parts or like a bone from a tomb and then it got to the point of like oh people would sell like dried mummy and it's like of course half that shit is probably fake anyway or more but it's like also you know it's just all gross but yeah there was a huge white man that was a yeah there's a huge egypt phase in the 20s yeah and um and also like i mean the kid who discovered king tut's tomb by the way was never given proper credit because he discovered it ran back i met him actually he's like 100 years old you met the guy who found king tut's tomb and you didn't fucking talk about it this is the goddamn see i'm like hey you need to buy me a story worth subscription if you want the if you want the real deets of yours will be the ancient texts found in an attic when you're like when leona's like oh what could what could i find out about my mom i met the man who discovered king tut's tomb okay to be fair it got upstaged by the ufo i saw a few days later so i felt like that it's like you're a cartoon character it's like every episode of spongebob is more outrageous than the last i i i just i just i we were at this cool place and they make these beautiful statues and it was a family lineage going all the way back to the 90s and i was like oh my god i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna die back to the guy who found and he's like i was telling you he's like 100 something years old and he there was a room in the back where it was like just his statues that he had made and so of course they were like crazy expensive but they still had pictures of him in the old newspapers from the 20s because it was like young boy accompanying like egyptologist and it's like this white dude with some mustache who gets all the credit but this like little egyptian kid um found king tut's tomb and uh he's just a really old man and i bought i spent way too much money and not a white man i'm glad yeah he made a he made a sekhmet statue that i that i purchased um so it's like you're it's incredible it's incredible the way the words pour out of you i don't know it just feels like i'm like a senile old man sometimes i agree and i feel like in a different way i feel like a senile old man when i hear you tell stories like that and i go that is that normal these days it's not fair i know but it's like i just don't know i just i don't i don't want to i don't know you're one degree away from king tut and i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know king tut's body i want you to know that and you just didn't say anything it never came up anyway you would have done wonderfully in the 20s uh because the entire country was obsessed with egypt yeah actually the whole all of the western world really okay um and so because of that i don't know what was going on but every goddamn theater in the world was like well we're we need to design ourself as this big grand palace because this was at a turning point in the country where everyone was trying to break away from either the wild west or they were you know uh the great depression had yet to happen so everything was like grander and they were like we have to make everything glamorous and wonderful it's like splendor and like a roaring 20s like all that like excitement yeah and so they were like well how do we do this up what's big what's big oh egypt ah so every single thing decided that their architecture was going to be egypt i see i'm sure i'm butchering that if you're an architect you didn't hear any of this um but a lot of designers got paid at that time to do to to have like egyptian motifs it was like all the rage yeah hieroglyphics which now a hundred years later i'm like what do they even say but back then it was um no one everyone thought it was i think just like it was an aesthetic for sure i'm sure they thought it was a compliment to the splendor that is egypt or something i mean it is if you're not fucking robbing them and like putting it in your bot and like eating mummies like stop it you know i've never heard a better example of like how sorry i'm about to be on my soapbox here oh yeah i'm just gonna say climb on up there's a very heavily overlapping venn diagram all the way a hundred years ago at the very least based on the point you just made that white men and exploitation and violence were just always overlapping each other just a little bit i mean true crime content was was just always meant to be if they're going to another place just to eat mummies to say that they did are you kidding me are you new here em i know but i'm just like just another goddamn point like i'm waiting for i'm so tired oh yeah yeah no i mean it's the thing is like i really get frustrated looking back because i feel like nowadays there's such more there's much more clarity around like what it actually means and the actual harm that things like cultural appropriation have and then you know putting like the spin of that's how like we got all the cursed mummy movies right like there was never a cursed mummy this is just like what people went down there discovered these things like basically like raided rape the place of all of this brought it back to like show off and be like oh look at my exotic collection you know it's i mean we've done this to every whatever anyway um yeah it's just exploitation but uh yeah so we did that back then that's super good and um i mean it's a big deal it's stuff i already knew but i'm just like again like i'm so tired of hearing about this i'm sad and not surprised at all but the good thing is to everyone's system and so overloading but it's like at least it's out in the open now at least we're talking about it now see it yeah i'd like to think someone in the 1920s heard that their friend did xyz or ate powdered mummy and they were like that guy's fucking like that was not cool yeah that's not okay okay so uh anyway the building was decked out in egyptian stuff there was especially nods to the book of the dead because that was one of the things that was found in the tomb um and so it is a beautiful theater i mean it's a beautiful theater and um many theaters were doing this to a point where i'm convinced that all the designers of the time if email existed they were in like a group chat with each other a group team because what are the odds that all over the country every single theater is now the egyptian theater that looks well it's because like the aesthetic it was like it's like when we it's like when people discover a new cultural trend and suddenly it's like everybody wants to do the it's like what it makes me think of is like companies taking the vowels out of their stupid names you know that's a great and then like woof or whatever as like from the office as like an example of like the parody of that like it's just absurd like what are you doing you know but it's like with the egyptian thing it's like how do we make it egyptian everyone loves the egyptian stuff let's put egypt on it you're totally on top of it like very clever guys well i think if they were in a chat hopefully they could have at least been a little more creative each of them i wish because like i'm telling you 100 i didn't know the difference between them until halfway through they still haven't differentiated themselves um there are seven left today uh one of them is in la the grauman's egyptian theater which i saw one source say that that theater inspired some of the design choices of theater i'm talking about today in boise but i don't really know if that's true i mean it just sounds like they both went with an egyptian vibe i don't know how maybe i just don't there was not a lot of the egyptian theater right away but by the 30s it was called the fox theater by the 40s it was called the ada by the 50s it was called the plit which was a chain at the time um then in the 60s and 70s it was a cineplex may they rest in peace yeah and then it later got changed back to the egyptian theater but in the 1970s when it was the cineplex it was in super duper bad shape as they all are in my stories and it was considered for demolition um and it was considered for demolition and what was coming up the 80s so what would they be demolishing for they wanted shopping cineplex shopping malls and you would think also in the 80s like there's no better place in a mall besides a cineplex so you should keep the cineplex and just add to it food court and cineplex what more do you need um so they wanted a mall it was going to be destroyed but then some anonymous donor showed up and bought the theater to keep it from destruction anonymous donor anonymous his name was the barrymore family oh no his name is earl um he was anonymous for a while and then he came out of the woodwork to go it's me like he ripped his scooby-doo mask off it's earl um so i don't know all the details here and they're not necessarily important but he there was some issue about the lease where he bought it but nothing could be done until the lease was expired like there could be no like revamping it until the lease was expired which was like 20 years in the future oh my god he was a real homie and basically bought the building and just let it sit until the lease expired 20 years in the future and then decided to revamp it that's so silly that you have to let it sit there yeah there was some paperwork i am not smart enough some claws but what he did do in the meantime was uh he put it on the national register of his historic places so it was a landmark and officially could not be touched um unless it was being renovated which is what happened in 99 so by 99 he was like oh my god i don't know what's going on i don't know what's going on i don't know it was renovated it's still there today it's the city's last single screen theater it's a theater with only one auditorium one screen and this is a quote it is one of the few surviving movie palaces from the silent film era in the entire country oh my god most of them have gone away that's really cool silent film era i love that i love that we'll be discussing it again next week don't worry ah also still standing in the theater is the original 1927 pipe organ that they had opening day oh shit the original one yeah so apparently so few people play the pipe organ these days that they have had events like um i think i saw on one website that they have like a silent film festival still and like they still play silent films here but what they used to do during silent films is they would have live music playing so that way there'd be music and stuff to accompany the film so they actually fly out organists just for that festival so that way you can hear them use the old 1920 organ and still play music behind the silent films that must be such a trip you know i would dress like i mean you have for the theme you have to really commit to the aesthetic of this oh i would love that so the theater is also known as the most haunted building in boise which it's so weird that as i drove past it i was like i should take a picture of this yeah um i just felt drawn to it did you see anything in the windows when you zoomed in no but i should have i should have looked at um what was playing there if there was anything playing there because i literally went to the movies when i was in boise and i didn't go there oh man so whoops um so it said that it's so haunted this is again i'm sure uh maybe some um residual uh you were just mentioning this that like you know people will be like oh my god this is so haunted this is so haunted this is so haunted this is so people use egyptian curses when like there's oh right right right right right people say that this theater is so haunted because during construction it said that one of the people on the construction team or one of the designers put an egyptian artifact and sealed it inside the structure uh-huh so that implies you went to egypt or had something from egypt and then you put it in the walls and now pissed off all the egyptians or just the spirits around and it's yeah it's egypt's fault um i guess so there's no evidence of that but it's just a rumor that like oh this place is extra cursed um again no evidence however many many many say that there is a very active ghost here named joe okay and joe worked in the projection room and in the 1950s it said he worked there for like 30 years they always work in the projection room these theater ghosts it's always the eeriest one who is already isolated already already looming and staring at it all the time and it's what it is and they're in the shadows they're already behind everybody they can see everything i will tell you if i lived in the 70s or 80s if you ever time travel and i've you know i've also i need you to know that i'm working at either a video rental place or the projection booth of the way we're gonna scare the shit out of each other like it's gonna be the spider-man pointing at each other oh my god i'll be like what the fuck are you doing here give me i want to i want to do the reels yeah or i work at it or i work at a diner but i'm the person who throws the rag over shoulder and i'm just scrubbing the counters in the middle of the night you're just doing something diner aesthetic like you're just like kick the jukebox to make it we're just carrying a pie around and kick yeah kick the jukebox yeah yeah you're recognizing everyone milkshake i bet oh i bet um but i'm either it's either a movie based or a diner i'm doing something wildly stereotypical i can handle that thank you thank you just come find me i will i'm probably scared so so okay He was there like 30 years so one source claimed then in the 1950s he's going up the stairs to the booth bam dies of a heart attack oh no life comes at you fast oh no it seems to be just a story that's why i'm being a little chummy about it because right who knows there i didn't see it it was a whole lot of it said it said and since he allegedly died on the stairs the projection booth of a heart attack he is known to be the most active ghost here um but mainly kind of boring things lights turn on and off doors open and close hearing a lot of noises he seems to be most experienced in the booth which would make sense but also one could argue that's the creepiest room in the building anyway so you're already primed to think that there's a ghost there i don't know maybe it's both maybe um others have said that they actually see him in the balcony seats of the audience oh oh so he can finally sit down and watch a movie he can finally he's on his break for once the big break um he's also seen on the stage so now he's also just doing a song and dance for his big break uh he's active not just in the projection booth or in the last rows of the upper balcony but he's also seen walking through the theater in 1920s clothing until he fades away okay i don't know if those are the same man yeah it feels like why would he be doing all those different things all the time but okay and why is he in a suit now yeah it feels like he was going to work i can i can understand he's going to work he's back at work he's he's on his break but like the rest of it like dancing on the stage and walking through the i'm like what is that so you'll note this is where i started getting really confused in my notes because i was like wait it just said that joe stays in the projection booth so i'm like okay i'm going to go to the booth but now it's saying that there's this guy from the same era who walks across the stage but then there's this one guy and then i had to go through every single article and all that and i had to go find like was this one illinois was this one idaho was and some of them didn't tell me where so i just have to like kind of put two and two together and critically so critically i'm doing my best to unravel a ball of yarn here i just want you to know thank god all this is already accidentally swapping info into different cases like there's four guys let's all let's pretend they're all the same one let's pretend they've all committed heinous crimes yeah yeah yeah that should work fine so i will say joe was across the board definitely boise okay one website that did say the egyptian theater in boise idaho had a man in the 19 dressed in 1920s clothes walking across the auditorium so i'm like okay so maybe that's also joe or maybe it's just another man like there it was kind of like a and i wonder if they get mixed up because like over time i mean you've talked about this before in your stories where like over time it'll sound like someone from your story but like maybe they haven't put that together or maybe like we're making a connection that's not there or like maybe they just think it's the same person you make a great point please hold yeah you are onto something for sure so um there's also the ghost of a lady in red of course uh-huh and i know that she's different because there's a lady in a different color at the other one so the lady in red is over here lady in red she's seen in vaudeville era clothing she's mainly seen on opening nights of big shows so it's oh that's fun for some reason it's thought that that means she died on opening night i would argue if she fucking worked here she must love opening nights of a show like she didn't have to die to just like being here i would say so i feel like of course you show of course the other guy shows up on his break watching a movie right right and of course she shows up on opening night i mean if i died in a theater now that's where i'm stuck you better believe i'm dolled the fuck up on opening night because i'm behind the concession stand but eating popcorn by myself all the time yes uh there's also i have to assume they're talking about the lady in red but i don't know that it could just be the ghost of another woman so do what you will with that there's a ghost of a woman seen walking around the theater sitting in the audience and she's like oh my god i'm so for first acts only and by intermission she's gone oh so she doesn't like a single show long enough to stick jeez she's a harsh critic sometimes she's grabbed people's arms sometimes people have smelled perfume on her and just like you said if one person has this experience one person has this experience they may not realize that they're talking about the same person there is um a regular haunting here where in the old dressing rooms people smell a lot of perfume but then a different source just said there's a a woman who smells like perfume over here and it could be the same woman walking around the whole building right they got to give me some notes some tasting notes you know is this like exactly aromatic is this like is she fruit is it fruity is it like a bakery she's smelling what's happening yeah tell me everything um also in this in the old school dressing rooms um people have felt like they're being watched they've been grabbed they see reflections in the mirror of other people there when they're alone in that room the mirrors in dressing room number three are the scariest because this is a quote makeup inexplicably smears itself across the mirrors overnight oh my god no absolutely not and just like that theater ain't for me bye i'm out there's another ghost and i want you to remember your point again because this i think is the best example of like are we talking about the same ghost in two different sources and they just don't know it um there's a ghost who seems to be a former crew member who allegedly fell onto the stage from the catwalk oh geez again no evidence but that's how the story goes um many people have said that there are tech issues that now uh plague the theater especially on opening nights or during shows that they either the lights will go out or the sound will go out or it's already out by itself and it will fix itself oh that's kind of annoying yeah like which is that annoying yeah and is it like art like is the haunting over when it's fixed itself or was it naturally broken and he hauntingly fixed it or did he fix it or did they break it and then right exactly yeah did he break it and then fix it and now now he's stepping away because he's like okay yeah i'm not gonna just clap for you meanwhile other sources told me that people have seen the apparition of a crew member working on lights okay so that makes me think could we could someone have seen him tinkering with the lights and then the lights are glitching over here and then he fixes them is he oh you see him breaking and fixing them interesting or is there a whole other ghost that's messing with the lights and this guy for the rest of eternity just has to go around and fix everything behind him now that would be irritating i'd be over it and no pay i'm behind the popcorn i'm telling you i'm leave me out of it everybody i'm behind i'm eating mike and ike's mike and ike's really that's your that's your go-to i just i like a mike and ike every now and then i love i love a mike and ike but only yellow orange green cannot stand those reds and pinks i love them we can make a perfect pair i agree we had we felt that way about starburst too i think what do you think i just eat all the red 40 okay because i hate those those are the only ones i don't want it makes my skin break out and just give it to me all of it the orange and yellow makes my pupils dilate like i like i like this sugar rush yeah it's so juicy i'm like i can do anything yeah that renee and i used to buy them on fridays and sit in our car and like cry about boys and eat like 16 packs of mike and ike like it was sick and we'd like get ourselves frenzied up into like a sugar high while while other high schools were like out drinking and we'd just be like high on mike and ike's yeah i mean i would want to be right there with you i can relate yeah fucking love mike and ike's and nobody talks about them wait a minute i didn't know that see you said that and i thought oh no m's gonna judge me for mike and ike's but you like them okay good they don't get nearly enough don't get enough credit it's also like i know a lot of people say they like swedish fish but like nobody's recognizing that you throw a little sour on them it's a sour patch good no one's talking about and they're all the same flavor yes like it's like it's like let's move on quickly with taste now expeditiously stat when are we stopping immediately so um the there's an actress i this these all i got from from the same source where i just listed all of them and i was like thank god for you um there was an actress who was i guess in the dressing rooms of the theater and watched her own costume on its hanger move itself around just ah was someone like playing with it trying it on oh god the i think the website said like it looked as if like a costumer was examining it or something oh like taking a peek at it oh my god making sure it was all good to go seams were good alone in a dressing room you see that and then people come in and you can't you just sound crazy you might as well and they walk toward your and you're like don't go over there there's an invisible person handing it to you and you have to put it on your body you have to get naked and put it on your body after it's been touched i don't think so i don't think i have to do that anymore because i quit yeah i think actually where's the understudy expeditiously expeditiously their problem now there was a security guard who in the middle of the night saw the stage curtains open and close themselves now i don't love that i wonder if that's someone playing like ta-da or if that's like someone just doing the tech you know yeah i don't all Also, if it was a vaudeville stage at all, I would love for there to be some sort of ghost bit with, like, the vaudeville cane. I mean, you have to. You know, I looked up vaudeville canes on eBay to see how much one would cost. Is that when I was going on and on and I kept interrupting you and you were like, all right, finally, I'm going on eBay. Gotta get her out of here. I just wanted to know if they really existed. But apparently they're called vaudeville hooks. I do not know they're not called canes. Oh, a hook. Okay. And I couldn't find a single one that was big enough to wrap around a human body. So I'm starting to think we've got a conspiracy on our hands. Oh, dear. Maybe that was just a Looney Tunes thing. You're typing out life size. Average circumference of human versus vaudeville hook. Fitz human man hook. I don't know what I would do with one, but you know I want to buy it. And then anyone who bothers me in my own home, Allison, I could just drag her out. It would have really worked this morning when I was like, can you leave? I would have just hooked her. Can you leave? Just push her out the door. Spun her away. Man. Okay. So on one investigation, they heard a bunch of laughter. People were also physically touched. They saw a man's outline on the stage. And then they saw another man staring at them from the projection booth. Ew. This you'll hate. So there's a former staff member who said that they used a Ouija board there. Someone on my side, finally, who's like, don't fucking ever play with a Ouija board again. Because without prompting. As soon as they open it up, the planchette by itself went to no. And then the projection door slammed shut on its own. And all the lights in the theater went out. The guy was like, we don't fuck with that. It's like, who do you think we are? Who do you like? What are you trying to do? Ruin our afterlives? Like we're already here working our asses. We're right here. You're ripping a portal open. And also like 1920s, I imagine they were around for like the first wave of spiritualism. They know what a Ouija board looks like. Oh my God. They don't want Zuzozo whatever the fuck around here. They're like, I've seen what you're capable of. They've played scary movies in this theater. I know what you could do. Devil Wears Prada 2 is coming, is out. Like we got to be so on top of our game this week. Opening night. Opening night. You have to get it together. People have also found props and costumes in moved locations or even creepier in quote, just slightly changed positions. Yeah, that's somehow worse. I just fucked up. I fucking hate it because it's a mind game. Like they want you. I was going to say, cause then you're gas lit. Yeah. People have also seen shadows darting around on stage. People have heard their name called. They've heard distant vaudeville music playing and they've also heard distant applauses. It's the distant. I don't know if that's worse or better. It's like if there were applause right next to me, I'd be like, thank you. Thank you so much. No, I'm kidding. I would be like, what the fuck? But the far away applause is not as scary. The far away vaudeville music though. I don't think I'm enjoying that really. That's full. That's fully meant to horrify you. And yeah, it feels like a curse because I don't believe that music is actually now playing in the other room and you're hearing it. It wants you to, it's like, it's controlling you to go into that room because totally it knows you'll be curious about something over there, but it's only playing in your head. It's like when you can throw your voice sort of to me, it feels like somebody's like intentionally putting it there. Yeah. I agree. Agreed. Because if I, I mean, these are the conversations we have inside a haunted house and then we're like, so why are we here? I forget. So it's so, so. So the Uber is 20 minutes out. Yeah. We're like, we've analyzed every angle of how bad this is and how dumb this is. Let's leave. Every time I've heard of someone saying, I thought I heard something. And then you play the cameras back. It's not playing in that room. It's absolutely only in your head or they are fucking with the cameras and across the room or something across the house. And it's like doing it by itself. And it's all bad. Yeah. And also interesting that you would think applause wouldn't startle you. Imagine being in an empty room and then all of a sudden like an 800 seat theater is all applauding you at once. It's just the sheer loudness of that. Talk about, I mean, Jesus, it's like give you a fright. It would, I know it would horrify you. I mean, I'd be a little honored. I'd be like, oh, me. Thanks. People also hear whispering. They have heard the pipe organ play itself. Ah, intriguing. Can't stand that. Yeah. And then the last thing I'm going to say is there was a travel channel show that was not Ghost Adventures that covered an episode of this called Ghost Stories. Okay. It had like 10 episodes. And I could not find it online, so I cannot report on it. Bah humbug. But know it's out there. And if someone is sleuthier than me, enjoy. So that is. Oh, wow. Our first round of the Egyptian theater. I feel I'm not going to clap really loud right in front of you. I'm going to clap far away. I thank you. And lure you to me. No, I feel like Zachary probably canceled anything that had the word ghost. He was like, that's actually my domain. You may not have ghost story. I mean, I mean, I to this day believe that there are no other ghost shows that he's not starring in unless they're like, so like five rungs under him that he doesn't totally lets them have their little time. Yeah. It's like you can pretend like we're on the same page. What do you think he feels about ghost hunters? Like they must have a beef, right? For fucking like, how could you not these? Yeah, there's no way. Well, wasn't Nick Groff on both of those shows? Maybe that's right. Maybe there's like, there's like. Not certifiable beef. Grade A beef. I think he left ghost adventures to go be with ghost hunters. That makes sense. You know what I like about ghost hunters? And I've said it before in the world of research and Zach Bing is, I will say he is a business mastermind. Of course he does it the other way because then he gets more views, but I appreciate as someone who's just trying to do as much research as I can quickly. All of their evidence is at the end of every single episode. So I don't have to watch the whole thing. Oh, really? Oh, oh, the evidence. The ghost. Evidence. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. Because then they go like, oh, let's go tell the owner what we found and then show, they just show a compilation reel. And I'm like, that's so fucking beautiful. Thank you. And then Zach is like, you have to watch the whole thing. Zach's like, let me, let me read this poem out loud that I made. And then you can see the ghost. And it's like, do I have to pay that toll? That's quite a toll to pay. And it's one in the morning. And I'm like, Zach, I just want to go to bed. Please fucking show me. Roses, roses. Turn up the volume. Roses, roses. Roses, roses. Yeah. Nobody does it better than you. Because I had to hear it a bajillion, zillion times. Do you know something's really true about me? I say it wrong to make sure that you say it right. I go, roses, roses, so that you say it correctly. Roses, roses. That's it. That's it. Oh, it scratches a weird itch on my brain. Oh, God. Make that my text sound. I might. Yeah. I'll never answer my phone again. Roses, roses. I just, it's like, you know, the ghost misadventures TikTok just has like, such a gem of a concept. Like taking, taking Zach clips and then writing like, me when my mom tells me to do something or whatever. And it'll be like, I just don't want to go in there or whatever, you know, and it's just, but it's, they just have gold. If they're listening, I hope that there's a video eventually that says, when someone asks what my favorite flowers are. Roses, roses, roses. They used that clip, I think. And I was like, oh my God, I, I relate to this type of thing. This type of humor specifically. Um, because that whole clip, I remember watching that with you. Like that whole clip is in there of him singing and like, man, I remember finally covering that one and thinking, there's no way I'm not, we're not going to watch the entire thing live. Let's, we have to now deprive. It would be depriving you. It would be really sick if we didn't. Okay. So, um, may I use the bathroom before I get the hour? Do you have it? Oh, did we have something? I forget. I don't know. Oh, I have something. I have something. Okay. I have something fun. Okay, cool. Okay. We're about to come back for Yappy Hour. And if you are interested, um, you can sign up. I actually found my palmistry guidebook. 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This was featured on a, I've been in like a true crime mood, which sounds weird for people who cover true crime regularly, but like, you know, when you're just like in a ghosty mood or something, even though it's like also. Your work, right? It's like the passion is, has resurged. Yes. Yeah. It's like, I get, got like more, um, intrigued by my own kind of topic for a little while. And I got, I kind of went a little outside of my norm, my comfort zone of research. And I found this, um, relatively new Netflix mini series. It's a three-parter called, should I marry a murderer? And I was like, well, that sounds like a TLC situation. Like, I don't know, but something about the thumbnail, you know, how Netflix does those thumbnails that. like cater to you. Like it was like the original algorithm where it was like different depending on whose phone you were on or whatever so it it got me good and i'm watching this going i can't believe this is i can't believe this i mean it's just a doozy i feel like it's perfect so i'm gonna cover it here we go it was late 2020 we were all in hell um and we can all remember it because we're still there we haven't left and we might be re-entering have you been here actually no no christine just i'll let you live in the bliss i literally might now suddenly my nice my neato all of a sudden it's like cracked explode yeah um no there's a there's a new virus uh not not a covid train cruise ship one a cruise ship one oh yeah well that's passed from animals which means there were like rats on the ship or something something like that but and they keep saying like the virus i just watched the video today because my whole algorithm is everyone saying like don't let them off the boat don't let them off the boat but then other people like they're they've already been off the boat they're on a cruise they've been going from port to port traveling and only now we're showing symptoms um oh fuck dude and several people died yeah and it's a the once it's human to human it's a 35 to 50 chance of dying no matter who you are oh it's like a half a one to one guess or uh one out of two that you'll die okay well then in that case stay on the boat i don't know in that case i'm staying in my house is what i'll say about that um everyone in the comments is like i'm gonna be an influencer this time like it's like this time oh my god yes like i'll take a bread i'll finally commit to sourdough yeah yeah oh it's so dark and sad but it is it is it's it's it's really insidious okay here we go so in late 2020 dr caroline merehead she's 32 years old she's working as a forensic pathologist in glasgow not to be confused with glasgow which is how i used to say it thinking i was saying it correctly same here was not not caroline was recovering from a bat sorry i just got a text from blaze the usps just delivered the caterpillars and i was like what the fuck and then i remembered leona had got a butterfly oh enclosure for easter what it sounds like um some sort of like code some plainly on the plane click just like that spy that early spy code yeah we can't talk here walk with me can't talk get in the bunk i'll meet you in the bunker okay yours payphone five minutes caterpillars have arrived they've they've left the building all right so she is recovering from a bad relationship she was i um i don't know if she's had a bad relationship she's recovering from what she called a very toxic relationship several years um kind of sunk into this and uh ended very very tough it was a very tough breakup she is kind of going stir crazy like we all are she gets on the dating apps and she's on tinder and is trying to get back out there but again it's 2020 like already a tough time and then to be like going through a breakup so she's on there and she realizes glasgow is just too small of a search area so she widens the net so to speak and she finds this guy named sandy alexander he went by sandy mckellar on tinder sandy was over six feet tall he's 31 bachelor works as a farmer and a deer stalker aka like a hunter slash like lives off the land type of you know kind of manly man thing that kind of didn't help like stalking deer or stalking like oh stalker like so he really is stalking them like with a weapon with he's a hunter why are we saying it any other way because we're in glasgow i don't have a clue in my mind i felt like he stalks a deli with deer meat or something like he stalks the fridge and then you didn't make it any better because you're like he's in the woods and i'm like okay so he's no it's um uh i guess it's sort of like it's like it's like an old it's like it feels like an old timey way to say he's he he's a hunter it's only telling you step one of his process let's just say yeah yeah yeah i stalk them first that's called red flag yeah what if you just stalk them though that'd be crazy what a silly little hobby what if you wanted to stalk where you're like that's a bad i want to get it out in a healthy way i'll stalk deer i feel like that's kind of like people watching but we just say it nicer it's like i just like to observe a really good point yeah i don't know yeah really good point maybe just go for a walk and just leave it at that and keep the rest of my thoughts to myself in my head okay so anyway he has this profile says he's a farmer uh deer stalker hot um just kidding uh he's 31 he's over six feet tall he lives and works on something called the auch estate a uch near the bridge of orky in the scottish highlands and they like clicked immediately i mean somehow the chemistry is exactly right and it's covid times and things go super duper fast i think a lot of people who met during that covid time can relate they were like fuck it we're already all kind of screwed and the world's on fire let's move in together you're a stalker i'm a deer let's make it happen i'm a i have a phd and you stalk deer i think we're a perfect match they call me bambi yeah oh wow oh that's a good pickup line call me bambi okay okay um so caroline uh like really got drawn into this guy and remember she's coming out of a very tough breakup right so she kind of dies headfirst into this relationship some of her friends are like it's going a little fast um within five weeks of meeting they're engaged oh whoa okay and it sort of happened because she would come up to visit all the time uh on his land and they would take like the atvs four-wheelers whatever you call them the deer stalkers i don't know what they're called over there uh you take they would take them and like go smoke and drink in the woods and like party and have fun and it's you know she just was like i mean talk about like if you're gonna date someone during the pandemic and you have to like quarantine with people or like isolate yourself in the scottish highlands the scottish islands in the middle of the country and you're like oh my god i'm gonna date someone in the middle of the of nowhere just an atv and you in nature i mean that is that's six feet apart for sure from others and beer yeah it's like yeah so they were just you know riding high like rose colored glasses 100 sandy also and he was by the way over six feet tall six foot two or whatever so she met him she's like he wasn't even lying about his height good for him i know so he also had a and she became kind of enmeshed in his friend's circle as well and everything was pretty hunky dory except when sandy drank he would get a little bit not like himself um he would get dark okay his twin brother once told caroline at a party that sandy was quote not right in the head um and she kind of just like brushed it off because what does that even mean everyone was drunk and she was like oh my god i'm gonna date someone in the middle of the country and he was drunk and she said whatever um you know who is right in the head so things are things are a little red flaggy but she keeps going um she later said she felt vulnerable and was looking for kind of an escape and just like a way to let off steam and you know he like adored her and so she just felt like full steam ahead yeah she actually recalled thinking what's the worst that could happen i i this is the last time i'll make a joke about your soccer but i do i the more i'm finding out that he's like not right in the head i'm kind of like did he just come up with like is he just inserting words like that into his career because i feel like i don't think so even though it does feel that way and they do hot well so they do highlight at least in the documentary and in i think it was in glamour some some publication but they talked about his early access to guns and how since the age of like eight or nine his parents would just have guns lying around the house and like keep in mind this is not in the usa right this is not a normal thing in other countries and not that it's necessarily normal to have weapons around your nine-year-old laying around like in the open sure like that's obviously we all think that's inappropriate but like to have that there where pistols are actually illegal to own and there are just like pistols laying out and there's a night two nine-year-old boys in the house and they are being taught to stalk and kill so to speak hunt deer from like a very young age yeah so it does all kind of track in that sense it's adding up to the things you're telling me and also now i'm wondering like i could see either side like you're like when i'm thinking of they were engaged with them five weeks originally i was like oh what a whirlwind love in the middle of a pandemic but part of me is also like oh where's their control situation going on here i you know it's like i think even when she looks back and talks about it she's like it just for everybody seemed like you know you're in it and it's a whirlwind and you're just like it's almost like mania i feel like like you're almost in it and you're like well can't stop the train now and then okay you know at a certain point i mean let me know what you think when you get more details i guess sure yeah i'm going off of nothing so far so well not nothing i would say um in late november of 2020 uh they're planning they're lovey-dovey they're planning like getting married and she's like are you serious like you really want to marry me and he's like yes i do you're so special to me and she's like i can't believe this and they're talking about their future marriage and she tells him you know we've only just met so if we're going to get married we have to tell each other everything you need to tell me everything you're proud of and you need to be able to tell me everything you're not proud of and they're kind of like getting deep and talking and a police car drives past the property and sandy has a panic attack he's gasping for air he's wailing and he tells caroline i've done a horrible horrible thing she of course immediately gets this dread and she's like what i'm sure it can't be that bad sandy tell me what happened he says three years ago i was out drinking with my brother and he got in the car drunk and he hit a cyclist with his car she was like what do you mean you hit a cyclist and he says i was drunk it was foggy i didn't see him and i hit him and it was too late by the time i hit him and she starts freaking out and she's like whoa what do you mean how could that happen he says it was his life or mine so i never told anyone he admitted that he and robert had hidden the body and that he had been on the run from the police ever since oh is that why he lives out in the middle of the fucking nowhere so he actually grew up there so that he already did live on that property but yes sort of yes also okay and it wouldn't be the last time he's like hiding out there she's like why why didn't you report it he says my whole life would have been taken away for an accident if i had told the police right so she's like what the fuck sandy like what do you mean you can't just tell me you killed someone and he's like i'm freaking out i'm freaking out you're the only one i've ever told i was gonna say that's also crazy of him to say to her if he's that afraid of getting reported it's like well now it's probably gonna get reported so she is like what the fuck am i supposed to do with this and you know she's freaking out she's trying to to remain calm and be like make sense of the situation and he tells her through tears he's right beneath your feet when we shoot clay pigeons i just got like full body chills like we're just saying all of it like really word vomiting he's wanted it he's wanted it off his chest for quite some time it seems hundred percent so they go back to home they go back home and she's like he is like so relieved right like you said he's unburdened himself he feels like oh my god i got this off my chest he falls asleep crazy she's like i'm in the middle of nowhere i'm freaking the fuck out and i'm sleeping next to a murderer and i'm trying to remain calm i also like i i'm noting now and maybe i'm totally wrong but i'm just gonna like hold on to this little bullet point but like the fact that he now feels so unburdened and now he can go to bed i'm like i would have a whole new even like equal to bigger fear now that like at any moment someone's gonna spill the beans i think she was so insistent like hey you can tell me anything and sure like we and i think she really meant it and didn't realize what would be coming you know like said like you can tell me anything and i'm like okay i'm gonna go to bed and i'm gonna go to bed and i'm gonna anything and i think they really were just connected in that way where he was like and when she said okay it's gonna be all right like i'll stay with you and i'll still marry you because she's like i don't know what else to say and i'm scared then he was like thank god like finally i can really marry you knowing you know my darkest secret you know like i think he was more relieved that he could tell somebody and she wanted to stay with him in reality she's over there on her phone googling cyclists imagine how much you'd be shaking like she's googling cyclist death hit and run and like you and then oh my god then you're finding out all about this person and learning about their life and empathizing with the family and well it's like you just knew what i was gonna say okay so she looks up this story and lo and behold exactly matching the story that sandy had told her september 29th 2017 uh the 63 year old man he was a retired royal navy officer and grandfather and he was a retired royal navy officer and grandfather and he was a retired royal navy officer tony parsons anthony parsons he was a prostate cancer survivor he was on a 104 mile solo charity bike ride oh my god he set off from fort william and was heading home to till a cool tree and earlier that day sandy and robert had been drinking at the bridge of orky hotel with a german hunting group they had too much to drink incidentally this tony guy also stopped at the hotel staff were like wow it's late like you should stay the night and he said i can't i've got to keep cycling so he goes on then sandy and his brother leave drunk and he drives his izuzu d max pickup truck uh over the alcohol limit speeding robert is in the passenger seat sandy hits tony on his bicycle from behind on the a82 near the bridge of orky tony suffered catastrophic injuries including broken ribs a fractured pelvis and a fractured spine so she finds all this out and like imagine googling this and finding the local news there's news articles there's new there's people saying if you have any information you know his family's looking for who did this and like this man was just killed and left and nobody knows where where he is you know it's just it's it's just heinous it's horrible so this is where it gets even worse because around this time he sandy comes home to meet caroline's family and she feels like she's lost control of the train because she's like i pretended to be okay with this i couldn't tell anyone now he's meeting my family he fits in great they love him now i'm like in it and i'm in danger without like or in trouble with the law because now you're an accomplice in trouble with the law like she's like i have to do the right thing i don't know how to and she's also emotionally so vulnerable and confused so caroline did not tell the police immediately and this is where people start to get a little bit like uh that people debate about this story a little bit on like whether she did the she did the right thing because she did go to the police right but people are like why didn't she go sooner and why you know it she went to the police but she did wait about a month before reporting it um he had come over for christmas and all that and had met the family she was just like feeling like out of body confused and surreal and sick to her stomach so she tells police i have something to tell you she tells her parents first and they're like we let's call the police together they call the police who arrest sandy and robert but then she finds out they have no physical evidence her body really she can't just say go where we used to shoot the okay well obviously that's going to happen okay so she looks on google maps but it's such a big property that she's like i don't know where like we would go out there to shoot clay pigeons but like you can't just say like this whole acre or you know whatever you can't say like this square mile like yeah it would have to be much more specific and so she's like i it's in this area but it's a private property so they can't just like barge in there and start looking you can't just like barge in there and start looking and then she's like i don't know where and so she's kind of stuck and she of course now one of her biggest fears is that they find out that she's the one who told the police right so the two are released and sandy calls her and she answers the phone and he says oh my god this horrible thing happened like the police i don't know how they knew and she has to pretend like she has no clue he didn't suspect it was her he really didn't he did later okay and he found out but at the beginning he really believed that she wasn't the one okay which is just wild to me so during this time she's really spiraling and one of the biggest controversies about this case is the lack of support she was given because she was a crown witness for this case and she was going to be like the prime suspect for this case and she was going to be like the prime witness for this case right she has this confession she has this information she's even been told where the body is and yet they arrest these guys let them go and then leave her to fend for herself so she's out there being like what if they find out it was me what if you know my family's in danger what if who knows and the police essentially dismiss her and she is um really in my opinion uh treated very poorly by uh police who basically at least several of the investigators who claim like well she should have done this differently she should have known better she was she had one of them was she has a phd she should know better and i'm like excuse me a phd in this yeah don't fucking talk about as if you know as if anyone would know what to do right it like really pisses me off especially because a lot of this was like just her not knowing who what to do i mean she was really lost and at this point i don't know if you have information on this but did tony parsons family hear that there was some sort of like like reopening of the case because i would be fucking fuming if i found out finally someone maybe knows where my dad or my husband is and they're just out now we're not really even gonna try okay so but when they were released it was pending further investigation so it wasn't like oh they're released for good it was like they've been arrested and it was announced and now all of a sudden everybody is reaching out to caroline and going what happened i heard the boys were arrested what's going on and so she's playing this weird game of like pretending she didn't pretending she doesn't know to the outsiders pretending to sandy that she's not the one who who told like she's just playing this like bizarre part um they didn't have physical evidence or body and police said why don't you try to get a little more information out of them and this is where this is where it actually wrong how about you're the goddamn police and you get more information out of them precisely hank joined bj's wholesale club the day he became a father of 30 i coach football now coach hank saves up to 25 off grocery store prices 30 pounds of pasta three 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she's like kind of in this weird place where she's like i was not making good decisions i went back to the property to to be there and just be away from her and she's like i'm not making good decisions i'm not making good decisions i'm not making good decisions and like he treated me well and so i just went with it and she said i told myself i would get more information for the family i'd be able to like close the case you know so she kind of moves in and her family is like shit like first she tells us her fiance that we just met killed this guy and then she moves in with him and i can't imagine the cortisol spikes like the the adrenaline just shooting through me at all because at any moment you hear a sound and you're in an unfamiliar place because she moved to his property which by the way is where the body is so she's now has time to go looking for it i guess yep but like you're in a new house new sounds in the middle of nowhere with a guy who might find out and although it wasn't intentional it sounds like it still killed somebody it like by the way and his brother who also lives there so it's like the two people who yeah i don't know i don't know if it's a good thing i don't know if it's a good and i'm sure the brother was not thrilled that his brother told his fiance what the brother had to wonder for sure the brother had to be like did you tell anyone and then he went oh i kind of told her he had to think it would be fucking her he actually thought it was her and sandy said she would never do that to me and she talks about how how deeply like hard that was to see like this man that she had like fallen in love with right before this all happened like i was like she would never do this to me she would never do this to us you have to believe me and like being like yeah of course i wouldn't but like also knowing she has to do the right thing for the family it just seems like an impossible situation and so you know i can understand like i wouldn't have done that she wouldn't have done she shouldn't have whatever but like at the same time nobody really knows what they would have done and like ultimately she did do the right thing and i don't know it could be debated to like house come home i don't think there's really a way to know what she was thinking and what she was thinking and what she was thinking and what she was feeling and like but no no one trains you for what to do in that situation no no certainly you're just surviving you're surviving so she's over there and she's sort of like in this weird middle ground of like deciding whether she's really in this relationship or if she's just here to like get intel you know and like is she here because she wants to be or with because the police told her it seems unclear to her even um and one day uh the brother robert says drunkenly by the way they're going on like benders during this time they're just like totally losing it because she's like i just didn't know how to survive like we were just on drugs we were drinking we were trying to escape you know and like every you were you're right like every time a siren or a police car would drive by apparently sandy would have a panic attack like they were just yeah i mean he already did the first time he told her then robert comes to her and says it's worse than what he told you oh i know which kind of crazy that robert is now telling her even though he kind of suspects that she told the light-hearted version i agree like what was he must have been kicking a few back they were really yeah yep and he says we actually realized after we hit him that he was still alive no they could have not they could have i mean yep yeah they could have just helped him and just like called 9-1-1 and they wouldn't have got a deal for manslaughter or anything like that yep it's like once you make that fatal decision of like you've really fucked yourself because yeah they you know what they did and this is a part that she said was that was a huge turning point for her is that she found out not only did they just drive away they actually moved his body to be out of the sight line so if another car drove past no one would be able to get out of the sight line so if another car drove past no one would be seen so he's like in agony and they drag him out of sight so that he can't be seen then they switch cars and come back oh that's so much more first of all unnecessarily elaborate yes yes it's interesting that i'm not saying they should have at all but like i'm surprised their reaction wasn't to actually kill him like like it feels like they were i guess they at least had something in them were like we can't do that but we could let it happen on its own over here without any help like it's like they're both so i mean i don't know i they're both you know you could have just called for help i'll be honest they may have killed him if he wasn't already dead by the time they got back right like we don't know i mean i don't i don't necessarily know we don't know the details but allegedly what happened was they instead of calling 999 they left him they moved his body up to the out of view then they went home got a different vehicle a toyota to come back and move him then they destroyed his phone and his sim card like this is all very you know so much worse yes so much worse they burn his wallet they hot they burn his helmet because they have something called a kill pit where they put the deer and like all that shit so they're able to dispose of stuff they she finds out over time spending time with the brothers that they that he hid the bicycle under the waterfall on the property so that nobody would find it um they initially hid it hit it they initially hid tony's body in a wooded area on the estate and then uh told her that they used an excavator to bury him in a remote peat bog on the estate so they moved him the spot they chose was a kill pit or a stink pit um used for dumping dead animal carcasses because that was such a big part of their job um so they had a place that and so once the detective started digging the forensic team started digging things up they realized like these are all there's so many deer bones and it's because they had you know disposed of him so the spot they chose was this kill pit sandy and robert um got the car fix the suzu but they told people that they had hit a deer and that's that's what had happened so when they talked to locals about the brothers people knew them as um hunters as outdoorsy kids as kind of rabble rousers troublemakers they grew up in a culture where like killing animals was just part of the norm from young on so like there's a certain part of them people think that was able to be shut off like you know sure they see the human as like an animal instead of i think it's my opinion from from just understanding what happened here i agree especially with the alcohol mix and when he says like it just turns him into a different person and um a lot of the evidence that was gathered is caroline would be playing chess on her laptop and would hit record on a voice note and she was like it was terrifying because he could just kind of walk around and see but sometimes he would just like drunkenly say something and she'd hit record and he would say you know i hid the bicycle behind the waterfall so no one could find it and she's like shit i gotta like record this and keep in mind she's on cocaine like they're they're high out of their minds and drunk and so she's like kind of has a grasp on what's going on kind of not that's so ballsy because like if he found out who knows what would have happened exactly especially when they're drunk exactly and so she finds out it's even worse and now she's like really in it and um she convinces him to show her where the body is because he starts so he starts getting paranoid that um construction on the estate that they're planning would expose the grave right so she's like well show me like where it is and by the way do you remember what her job is no she's a forensic oh yeah pathologist pathologist and she has a phd in forensics like this is a person and then so she starts wondering like is that why he matched with me because like i would know about and he had said to her several times like you and i both aren't squeamish you and i both understand things that like have to be done you and i both understand like the gruesomeness behind it like he had this kind of fixation that she wouldn't be as horrified as other people might if that makes sense i i do get that but also it's not true she was like actually horrified but yes i mean you know i get what he would maybe what direction he was heading with it but i also i'm still surprised by that too because i would think if i had a body on my i'm trying to hide and then i match with someone who's a forensic pathologist oh never mind can't make dinner never talk to you again blocked kind of crazy you're right because it feels like the last person you would want to bring to your property would be the person who could sense where a body or not sense but you know like have any knowledge of a body but like i wonder if part of it was oh i'm safe with this person like she won't judge i think i mean that's at least what he would tell her and um you know she made him feel safe i guess and then she's like oh i'm safe with him so she made him feel safe i guess enough to open up about this um so after she tells the police and they don't do anything to kind of help her except say go find out more because we don't have enough on them she she moves in gets way wrapped up into this with the brother with with her fiance and the brother um robert like i said told told her eventually that it was way worse um he said and i quote when we hit that man it happened very fast we got out and we went to the we walked towards him he was alive and um her mental health just tanked right she felt worthless she was like i felt like total shit i disappointed my family i'd already like fucked up this long past term relationship now i had a wedding dress my family thought i was getting married and it's like a literal murderer and i'm in the middle of it like it just is a mess um understatement she was doing cocaine and drugs alcohol she described herself as being in a state of terror i mean it sounds like she's just in like fight flight freeze like right survivalism survival mode and as sandy becomes more and more paranoid he's like can i show you where the body is and maybe you can help me so that's where she starts to think is he just using me because i know how bodies work and i can dispose of it so that he doesn't get further implicated so she goes with him to the peat bog um and she's like so like where is it and he goes right about here and she drops she drops she squishes and drops the red bull the empty red bull can she was holding to mark the spot fucking brilliant babe and then he goes did you just litter i'm not even kidding and she goes oh sorry and he goes pick that up she literally describes this she's like i tossed it and she's like and then he looked at me and was like why'd you do that and she was like sorry i don't know what came over me i will say she should have dropped something a little more indiscreet like a little more discreet like i don't think she planned it i think it was in the moment and then she's like sorry i don't know why i did that and he goes go get that so she picks it up and she's like and then when he turns around she's like i put it back down and left it there i mean ballsy ballsy very ballsy and i i mean we're flying past the joke that is he's upset that someone's littering while he's showing you the body he buried but yeah he's like what would you do that for he's like what are you some sort of criminal like a litter bug right yeah why are you on my property i don't really like that you break the law actually it's really there's a dead body down there and you're littering on i mean it's like yeah you're right it's absurd in in a way it is right um so wouldn't you know it that's the red bull can that brought detectives right to the spot where they found tony's body and um you also like imagine dropping it and you just pray to god there's not a windy night before the cops can get there she like crushed it in with her foot the second time she's like i'm gonna crush this down okay good and then when she told them there's a red bull can she's like i'm gonna crush this down out there when the brothers were arrested again and then released she got a phone call or they were questioned i guess i don't know if they were arrested but they were questioned and released and she got a phone call and she said oh hey sandy and he's screaming and he says you fucking did this you fucking told them and she's like that's when i knew he found out he somehow found out that i had been the the witness right and he's like i'm coming over right now i'm like she's like he's gonna he's gonna kill me he's gonna kill me there's no there's no other option like she goes what do you mean how do you i didn't tell them what do you mean and he goes i saw the red bull can caroline they told me there was a red bull can that marked the spot so he knew she had left that there to mark the spot and he knew that this had all been her design so he shows up at her house and she's she lets him in and they seemingly sparked a fire another romance what this this is why this story is like what's happening sorry i know repeat that one so wait they like was it like like like hate sex or something i know she just she just he's like i still love you and she's like okay i was thinking like maybe like a like a a passion like a we don't know you know how when like there's like they're they're fighting and so hey they're so mad and they just like make out like i don't know that made more sense to me than like we're gonna hash this out no um it's plot twist of the century you think he's coming there to kill her and then i guess like they make up this is the most like what i think it's like equivalent to like a love bombing where it's just like the ups and downs and ups i mean like right right right right right oh my god it's just crazy town and you're watching this like how i can't barely keep up so i mean the good news is of course now they find a um they're able to bury tony officially um on january and on january 12 2021 they were able to to finally locate him and his family was able to have a funeral three years after his disappearance but of course you know he finds out that his fiance is the one who who told on him but when he sees her and by the way she recorded this conversation too so it's really bizarre to be able to hear into people's like arguments from from something so shockingly big and scary but he basically says she screams and i'm like why did you bring me into this like why did you bring me into this and he almost he sort of breaks down he's like i'm the one who did this to you you had no of course you went to the police you're a good person so like it's change of heart it's almost like even harder for her to break away now because she's like well he says it like he's like i understand why you went to the police like the way that my brain works is the opposite in every situation you've told me apart because i would think oh now he's really gonna kill me he's like warming me up like he's soft like softening me up like like oh he's like acting like everything's fine and then when i least expect it like i'm not afraid to be alone in rooms with him she said like he's just a broken man like he's just broken and he would come to her and be like i did this horrible thing and like you're the only one i can talk to you're the only one who understands right and it's like that trope of like fixing the person and um she just said like at this point i was trying to get information everybody thought i was crazy and i was on drugs so i was like so not well and like i was mentally really unstable and then the trial is coming up and they're like you have to testify you know it's just a mess okay her parents are just totally at a loss so this is kind of the end of this like roller coaster for now at least um essentially what happened it was a little bit anticlimactic i guess um there's i there's a thing in in scottish law called corroboration which means they need two sources of evidence to to prove something right so they had a body but then they didn't really have anything else and caroline was meant to testify on the stand and she went on this long bender she was really freaking out before um the trial she didn't feel confident in herself she was almost she was spiraling to the point that she was like maybe i'm making all this up like maybe she just like felt so gaslit by her own yeah the stories and everything right she's like totally confused and the day a few days before uh she gets this official letter in the mail that says if you don't show up to court you'll be arrested and like this will go on your permanent record like the the police are like fucking treating her like trash wow and the day of the trial comes she's a no-show oh is she dead hurt they call no okay i'm just waiting i don't know No, she's alive, thank God. They call her family. Her parents are like, what do you mean? I like put her clothes out. everything this morning. She should, where is she? She's not at the courthouse. Okay. Turns out she had a little bit of a, whether you want to call it a break from reality or what have you, she had an episode and she went to the waterfall and she said, they, I don't want, she said, I can't be relied on for my testimony alone. I need more evidence. I'm going to find the bicycle. And Ms. Forensic pathologist said, I'm going to do whatever I have to do. She gets her phone out. She's filming this on Snapchat. She's not sending it to anyone, but she's like, I was just filming the whole thing, like a vlog sort of, she's like, here I am under a waterfall looking for my fiance's. Well, also if she like had like a mental situation going on where she like couldn't even believe herself anymore. She's like, I'm filming for posterity. Like I just don't, that's kind of what it was. Right. Exactly. Like her own vlog for posterity. And so she's like vlogging this. And so of course they have this footage and then they're like, oh, I'm going to do this. And then they're like, oh, I'm going to do this. And it's like really bizarre. Cause it's like Snapchat footage and she has like the filter on and she's like underneath the waterfall. Like, well, I'm supposed to be in court. I was supposed to testify three hours ago. You know, I wonder if they'll arrest me. And then there are helicopters above and she's like, here they come. Like, I mean, she's just like really kind of losing it as she kind of described. And, um, eventually, you know, she's arrested. Uh, they put her in a cell and she's like, what have I done? I, I missed testifying. I fucked this all up. And they come to her and they say, okay, the brothers have accepted a plea deal. They, Sandy pleaded guilty to culpable homicide and attempting to pervert the course of justice and was sentenced to 12 years in prison. Okay. His brother, Robert pleaded guilty to attempting to pervert the course of justice and was sentenced to five years and three months in prison. Why did he have such a lower sentence? Was he, cause he was the passenger. Okay. And so he was less couple culpable in that he was not driving. The vehicle would have been like the murder weapon. Um, so yeah, I mean, it's just really shocking. And, and part of the debate too, is like, well, if she had testified, would they have been found guilty? Because, and so she argues, which I understand too, it's like, nobody knows, but she also argues like, Hey, I was in a fucking terrible place. They could have put me on the stand and who knows what I would have said. Like I was not well. And so she's like, maybe it's for the best. I didn't testify. Like, we don't know. Um, so either way, uh, they were both sentenced. Um, in his own words, Sandy said, uh, his lawyer spoke this on his behalf that he was too much of a coward to come clean and that he acted out of fear and panic. Okay. The judge called the brothers selfish and cowardly and Tony's family received a six figure payout from the car insurer car insurer, which is standard in the UK, I guess, for motor vehicle fatalities. Um, Caroline and several other people, um, have in the justice system as well, have criticized the police for failing to protect her and to saying like, and for asking her to go undercover on their behalf and then giving her like helpful, like just like totally, and then threatening to arrest her. It's like, this is, this is the shit you see, like this harassment. And, and so, you know, she was really going through it. She's like, well, they wanted me to help, but then I had to pretend to be on their side, but then I kind of was, and I was on drugs. I mean, the whole thing was a mess. And these men who were like, well, she had a doctorate. It's like, fuck you. Like she was wearing a thong. Truly back the fuck up. You know, like she was asking for it. Like, fuck you. So anyway, as of 2026, as far as we know, Caroline lives by the sea. She is sober now and she is in a new relationship with a man that she describes as kind. Good. So that is the story and talk about ups and downs, man. Did you watch, uh, first of all, well done telling that. Oh, well, thank you. I mean, it was a, it tells itself really. Did you, um, um, see the movie, the drama? I don't think so. It just like, it just came out like a long ago. Um, but it had, um, Zendaya and Robert Pattinson in it. Oh, is it good? It is. It's not exactly this situation, but it is very, there were similar notes. Um, basically they're about to get married and they decide they're going to tell each other, like, what's the worst thing either of us have ever done. Oh my God. That was like the conversation that they had to start this whole thing. Be careful people. Yeah. And like Robert Pattinson is like this, like just very don't, don't know spoilers. Well, no, just, he's like just this very goofy guy and like, can't even think of anything. And then she ends up having something, something adjacent to this. I won't say her secret, totally similar, but, but then he, I mean, the whole movie is him grappling with like, how do I marry somebody with this? Wow. It's very, um, and it's a good movie. If you it's, it's certainly, um, a conversation piece. I saw it with my mom and it was a good talk. It was very topical. I think, um, it's a, let's just put this way. It's a question that a lot of people in the next generation might not a lot, but someone will have to have this conversation in the next generation. Literally, I'm going to hang up on you and watch this. I'm so curious. It's very topical. I, that's all I'm going to say. And it's a really good conversation start at the end, but it's what I think. That's all we need. More conversation starters. Um, yeah, no, I, I don't think it's a conversation to have here certainly, but, um, you know, it's worth it. If you watch it with somebody, it'll make you guys talk. Ooh. Okay. Movie club. Um, but no great, great storytelling. What a disaster of a story though. No, man. And I, it's just like, it's just a train wreck. Really? Did you, um, where is she now? She's, um, you said she's living by the sea. Mm-hmm. Great place to live. Don't I know it? I've always wanted to live by the sea. I wouldn't, I wouldn't know it, but, um, well, good job, Christine. What are your plans for the rest of the day? Man, Leona's at the zoo. So I think I'm going to watch this movie, the drama. Just like talk to myself. What are you going to do? Um, I'm sure there's something I need to, there's the whole other side of this bench is a nightmare. So I probably should clean, but I don't know if I'm going to, so please don't, I don't know. We'll see. Depends on my mood. I need to eat something at some point. So do I anyway. Exciting. Yeah. Nothing really crazy is going on right now. Uh, when we would record and then like go to, um, what was that thing? The outside movies. Oh, street food cinema. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. That happened like twice, but still that's coming up. I think it actually starts next week. So I remember there was a day I got my tattoo. I think we went with like Matt and Chanel. Yes. See back to the future. That's right. Cause it was our birthday weekend and you got the tattoo and I wanted to go see back to the future in the park. That's right. And then someone stole that picture of geo and got a bunch of credit for it on Reddit. I forgot about the back to the future subreddit. I was like, Oh my God. I have the dog park. I told you I'm throwing Hank a bark mitzvah for his B day next month. I told you that. Oh yeah. Cause he's technically going to be 13, right? My human years. God. So he's going to have a bark mitzvah. I'm going to make everyone at the dog park play dreidel. We got him some David cookies. What the fuck? He has a bandana that says nice Jewish boy, which I love. Um, I'm trying to find him a, well, we have talked about this cause I remember saying and then trying to turn it into Pomica and then it not working. That was not, that was not me. Hmm. Well, I still, I did it again. It was a weird dream we both had, but I don't remember it. Maybe, but, uh, we're gonna, it'll be fun. And he's, um, I'm also at some point I've decided I'm now just the mayor of the dog park. Cause I'm going to start throwing events there. And my first event is going to be, um, a spelling bee at the dog park. Wait for whom? For the dogs? No. Can you imagine? Well, I mean, I don't know. What else would you host an event for at a dog park? I don't understand. Well, you know, the people at the dog park are friends and just to prevent boredom, I'm just going to shove everyone into a spelling bee. I want to do the spelling bee. I would win the spelling bee. Some people have already told me there. I mean, I've announced it to people. Like a spelling bee is coming. So like, if you're here that day, you're going to be a pop quiz. I guess I'm not, I, I warned people that a spelling bee would be there. That's really, really, really evil. I mean, if they don't want to do it, write it about that, but if they don't want to do it, they don't have to, but I will be asking everyone there on a busy day who wants to be part of the spelling bee. And a lot of people have already bought here. Spelling bee. I was just trying to think of something that would require no money. Oh, cause I also thought eventually I'd like to do a bingo there. People have said they want to do a trivia, um, a movie in the parks that we, all the dogs can be there, but we can also watch a movie. Okay. Okay. Wait. So what's the first word in the spelling bee? I don't know, but I feel like I got to start easy. People have requested to start easy. Um, which it's gotta get harder and harder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's, but I don't know how easy to start. Like, are we just spelling dog? Like that's not fair. Yeah. Yeah. You can telehealth me and then I'll, um, I'll participate that way. Um, I, I do have a couple of people who have already said that they will participate in the first round only because they will not make it past the first round. They, uh, do not claim to be good spellers. Um, but no, I'm very excited. I've been talking about it for a while. I started a walking group there. Oh my God. I really have become a bit of like the PTA parent at the, Oh, wow. You're like event coordinator. but uh no there's like a a group of us that all do laps together and oh my god you're like mall walkers yeah we are like mall walkers but dog park walkers and then um but no it's so i was like oh what else could we do and i said spelling bee and everyone was like that'd be the most random one and i was like okay well i'll do that next so i think i'm gonna do the bark mitzvah in may then for my birthday maybe it'll be the spelling bee because that's a good reason to force people to do things this is like my birthday is a spelling bee i i never thought you'd have a spelling bee birthday but yeah it sounds right down my alley preferably i'd like to host a drunk spelling bee but i i can't get people to get drunk in public you're not gonna get wasted in the dog park yeah that'd be a little trouble know that that's my next step this is just the practice spelling bee oh this is to get your just like handle on the event space and then i like throwing little events i never get to do it anymore so i that's the dog park people seem to be fine exciting yeah exciting yesterday i went early and we cleaned up the park because the foxtails are out and so we had to we did a whole cleaning crew situation oh and you're taking care of the space i love this it's um it's my part of my every fucking day so i might as well learn to like it so and i'm trying to make it more fun by things like a spelling bee so well if any if ever you bury a body i'd know where to look yeah well hank's body will probably be buried there one day with a nice little grave that i know anyway i don't know i don't know how we got here but that's what i'm doing today is the dog park because it's all i do so fantastic well you say hi to your constituents um i'm gonna go lay down thank you um other than that yeah tell geo i say hi hank says hi he'll know what it means he'll know what it means tell him tell him jane says geo says oh that's what he does i'm not gonna tell hank because he'll take that personally but he should yeah it's gonna be a lot of fun it's pretty rude okay and that's why we drink tammy regularly hauls stuff to her kids at college that's why she shops at bj's wholesale club saving up to 25 off grocery store prices beef jerky microwave meals laundry pods even they can't screw up have you met my kids and with bj's gas she gets there for less they call me the road warrior this is your home road warrior mom home of the save join for just twenty dollars at bjs.com slash mesquite and save ten cents per gallon for six months open soon limited time offer new members only bj's home of the save at harmony bank we believe that better happens together we're a locally owned bank built on relationships and personally committed to your success our community bankers are ready to make quick decisions no big bank bureaucracy just a custom approach to help you thrive from business loans to mortgages and everyday banking needs harmony bank provides a modern experience with a touch of texas hospitality we're harmony bank where better happens together music food art these things define and unite us and they come in colors that breathe culture colors that connect us with their variety and richness you'll find that same variety in valspar ultra paints great coverage and durability starting at 29.98 per gallon enjoy everyday protection against scuffs and wear with a smooth washable finish we're made of colors and with valspar ultra you can reflect that pride of culture you have inside on every wall of your home available at lowes