E3: Dee Dee Blanchard Murder Trial Day 1, Part 1: Dep Mike Robertson, Jim Stanley, Thomas Vandeberg

So thank you for your time. It's a state of weakness, really. It's a state of weakness that the mic privacy is on. Come on up. I'll see that here. The age you're in. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you're about to give and then cause for the court? Yes. Will be the truth. The whole truth has been done with the truth, so if you got. Yes. Thank you. Keep your voice up and face the jury, okay? Good morning. What is it? My name is Ricker Flynn. I'm Michael Lee Robertson. How are you, boy? I'm a great county sheriff deputy. How long have you worked for that sheriff's house for 18 years? What is your current son? I worked with our civil division now. What does that mean? We do protection orders, various civil papers, evictions, read-by attachments that are what your wants, things like that. Is that a job you saw with new sheriff's office? Well, you know, one of mine gets a guess or no. Yes, over at part time, back down. That's what I only thought. What did you do, the sheriff's office in June of 2015? I was at patrol deputy. Did you talk to the jury a little bit about what the duty of the patrol deputy are? Various functions, thermal investigation, some accident, traffic investigations, or a traffic stout or things like that, about things that digillin what it is, you know, parking cases and taking initial reports for cases and stuff like that. Responding the 911 dispatches? Yes. Well, I take you back to June 14th of 2015. On that day and the afternoon, do you have an occasion to be dispatched to 2103 West Vaughan to your way? Yes. Is that a location here in Green County? Yes. What was it that caused you to be dispatched to that location? It came out as a check the well being for two residents in that, two individuals in that residence. And was there something about, in a notice, and the dispatch notice about why you were going there to check the well being in the resident? Yes. Something about Facebook posts that friends of the two individuals had received, stating that they had possibly been raped and murdered or, you know, or. And so did you respond to that? Yes. Were there other deputies who responded now with. Yes, sir. I think it was a little question up for the answer. [inaudible] Debbie, we're going to show you a series of photos here there in Mark. You can see the mark on the back of the state's existence. It's a group of states. There's one, two, three, four, and five. If you just take a moment and look at those. [inaudible] So in general, what are we looking at in states exhibits one through five, the residents in which I responded to? At 21 or 3 months long, here, where? Yes. And I noticed there's some crime scene taken, some of those pictures. Yes. And that would not have been there when you were on the desert. Other than that, these states exhibits one through five, fairly and actively depict the experience of residents. Yes. Admission is made, taking six, one through five. No objection, Your Honor. No, being made without a virtue. Can you see that, I think? Yes, sir. And a room to the screen. Can you all see it, OK? All right. When you got to, oh, we've got the first picture. Let's look at states exhibit one here. Is that the residents we've been discussing? Yes. The pink one with the white railings and ramps. Yes. When you got to that location, what did you find? The vehicle and question sitting in the driveway. And it looked just pretty much like that. And you say to me, could you talk about that in a few times? Yes. And was there anyone there when you got there? They were friends of the family there that initially could have made the 911 fall. And you speak with them. I was really worried, but Deputy Hughes spoke to them most of the time. Did you check the residents to see if you could locate? Uh, potting, moisture, and just to find sure. Yes. I can you describe what you did to do that? We checked the windows to see one in the door to see if there was any fourth entry or any broken windows. We couldn't see them because the windows were locked out. But we didn't see any signs of fourth entry or anything like that. And you just checked the front windows there in the door and checked other front windows. We checked all the windows. And so now looking at the state's exhibit two on the right side of the residence. It's a fact there's a window on the door on that side as well. Yes. Can you check those? Yes. You say to do three is a different view of that side. Correct? Correct. And what are we looking at now? That is the backside or the more side of the residence. Can you check that as well? Yes. You know the signs of fourth entry? No sir. And now what you can see is the left side of the house. Did you check that window as well? Yes sir. And so did you all knock on the door or ring the doorbell? Try to find anyone? Yes. We knocked on the doors. All the windows. We identified ourselves. You know, let's just look at the windows. We got no response. Did you check the mailbox? Yes. Why did you check the mailbox? To see if the mail had been checked because they said they had not been seen for two days. And there was still mail in the mailbox. And you recall that the postmark was in there? I don't remember. We were fresh or recollection? I'll figure it out for you. Yes. Is that your report there? Yes. If you just take a moment and read it to yourself, not out loud. So look at what's that about. Does that refresh your recollection? Yes. What was the postmark of the mail in the mailbox? June 8, 2015. So after you and the other deputies were not able to obtain the attention of the mail. And if you have any attention of anyone inside the residence and checking the mailbox, do you then continue to investigate this case or you can hand it off to someone? How does that work? We called or I called our on call detective and one hand of the matter. And they were signed after the residence? Yes. Nothing really. And then this would have been? No, it could. Maybe they'd be students? Yes, sir. Did everything? Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Yes, sir. You know what? Yes, sir. One moment. Staying called the gentleman's hand line? Yes. What's all of them? I have a seat. On your step. People should come on that all the time. You can raise your right hand. Do you saw this on the side of the test line? You're about to give them the calls now pending for the court. Do you think they'll improve the number of truths of the fact? I think. Thank you. I have a seat. Yes, sir. Do you take a name for the record please? Jim, Stanlum. How are you, Floyd? I am an owner of a forensic fire investigations here at Sprinko, Missouri. What's a bad business to? We investigate fires and explosion incidents for the public sector. Did he use to work for the Green County Sheriff's Office? office? I did. When did you leave the Marine County Sheriff's Office? December 28, 2015. Why did you leave that? To get into the private sector. When you worked for the Sheriff's Office, how long did you work for them? I started in March of 2001. And what types of duties do you add during the time you were like the Sheriff's Office? Initially I was a driver's of the patrol officer. I was promoted to the patrol sergeant. I was promoted to the detective division. And before I left the Marine County Sheriff's Office, I was a supervisor of sergeant over the property crimes that I did. Can you talk a little bit about what it means to be in the detective division of the Sheriff's Office? Yes. For me, I did numerous types of crimes, violent crimes, property crimes. I was also a fire-exploded investigator, so I was a D-Cash Springfield Fire Department where I served as a bomb-tech on the bomb squad. With regard, did you work on any homicide investigation? I did. I did. I did. I did. Yes. What kind of training did you have in the matter? Attended numerous seminars, trainings over the years, attended some of the courses I've taken was capable homicide investigation techniques, major crimes investigator, major case squad training, animal level 3 CSI through the Missouri Southern State College of Scotland. You might see a second crime scene invested in it? Yes, sir. You said that at the end of your time to share some of the Super Vitamin Surgeon? Correct. He talked a little bit about that. Yeah, a group of attend detectives that were under my command and they were in the property crimes division, so they would invest anything from burglaries, the autopab, they could go on on other things too as well. This is what they're seeing as far as homicide, violent crimes, arses, any type of incident. I draw your attention to June 14th of 2015. Were you working for the sheriff's office on that day? Yes. Did you have an occasion to be called out to 2103 U.S. to go on your way? I did. It is. Why were you called out to that location? I was called out by my lieutenant to respond and reference to the cost of suspicious circumstances. Once I was arrived out at the scene, they told me that if there was a crime, I would be in charge of the crime. You mean by the charges of crime, you mean by the charges of crime? Yes, correct. I did you ultimately perform a search of 2103, what's wrong with your left? I did. Was that person to search for? It was. Is he going to be six? Seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve. You're going to skip 13 through 18. 19, 20, 20, eight, 21, 22, eight, 22, 22, 22, 22, 23, 24, 25, 28, skipping 29, 11, 30, 31, 30, 30, and 34. Have you seen any of the cases? Have you seen those photographs before? I have. In general, what do those photographs depict? They depict generally the exterior of the residence, work it to the interior of the residence, the front of the work, the number six. What's going to detail all of them? They're generally depict and document your search of the residence. And are they fair and accurate representations of what the residence looked like, but outside and inside during your search of the residence? Yes. At this time, I'd be going to admit 22, 0, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, you head in. Then you go to 19, 20, 20, 21, 22, 22, 22, 23, 24, 25, 27, 28, 30, 31, 32, 33, and 34. Any objections? No, no. No, we received a thousand projections. I'm going to go in your search to tell us how the residence space and where it was. Could you just briefly describe that? Do you want to look at 60s of it one? Yes. The front of the residence space is at the side. There is a purple color underneath on the cube and a driveway and a ramp that goes up in front of the residence for a wind chair. And did you check their residence to see if there are any signs of forced entry? I did. Did you find it? I did not. 22, looking at the station to it too. Now, looking at the driveway of the residence, the southeast corner of the exterior. Okay, the fourth, the rear, which is the north side of the residence. 62, 5. We're looking at the southwest corner of the residence. And so, number six exhibits, one through five, and we see all the windows and doors. The residence you checked. We did. We're looking at the entrance space and two, six. We're looking at the front door leading into the entry, looking on the south side. 4. Now, what are we looking at? Space exhibit seven. Now, we're looking from the front door that opens into the left. We're looking to the floor down along hallway. So, is that the door on the far left of the photograph there? It is. And he said, we're looking down the hallway. What is to our left if we were to step in and turn left? That would be the living room. And as we, if we were to turn to our right, what would we find? Immediately find a dining room, then a kitchen just to the other side. So, we can see some of the appliances there. We're looking at now. We're looking at the dining room and partial kitchen. And later, there's going to be some items over here. What is this area of the kitchen? That would be the corner of the table. We're looking at now, 1679. We're looking at the west north wall of the living room, the couch. And a wheelchair off to the left. Is that what I'm highlighting there? It is. And this is a condition in which the living room was when you first entered the residence? Yes. Now, what are you looking at? It seems to give it 10. Look at now the hallways of the north. We're looking at a bottle. It's probably a bottle in the floor. So, what I highlighted there? Correct. And what is this over here and all of that? That is a black baseball South cat. As we walk down this hallway, what do we find to our left? The first room to left. It is a storage room. And then the next door. Would be a bathroom. And is there a door beyond that? There is a door beyond that. It should be a bedroom on the bottom of the house. It's a gypsy road pleasure bedroom. Okay. And if we go down this hallway down the far end to our right, what do we find? That would be the bedroom along you to La Dina. We're putting in blanks. We're looking at here and basically we'll have to always go back. Correct. No, we're looking at here and say something to the 12. We're going way down to the right on the glacier, laying on the bed. And is she in the bed here? She is. We're looking at here in the states of the 19. We're looking at a trash can next to the bed. be on the east side of the bed is the wall and there would be a and the State of Columbia's is the close up it is and that would be a light a light is that the picture here is the the of Connie Blantner's bedroom with a lasty bottle of suspected cleaning solution. Similar to the bottle we saw in the hall earlier. Yes. What are we looking at here in Stacey Gowett 22? This is an overall of the bathroom with a wheelchair and the center of the bathroom. And we're going to get to it in a minute, but the laundry basket there or the left by the tub? Yes. And then when you're looking in this room, you also look at the same area there to the right and items side of the sink. Correct. We're looking at here in Stacey Gowett 22 A. We're looking for the looking at the door leading into the bathroom and we're looking. See something right there that I'm pointing at with the pointer. What was that consistent with your cleaning experience? What evidence? And now in Stacey Gowett 22 B, what are we looking at? We'll put something close up. Stacey Gowett 23, what are we looking at? We're looking at a disposable razor that's in a laundry basket. And now Stacey Gowett 24, what are we seeing? Looking at a roll of paper towels next to the sink. Stacey Gowett 25, what is that? That is the top section of the roll of paper towels with suspected wood. And do you have that map pointer there? Yes. You may have just stepped down to show you what we're talking about. Oh, good. Talking about right here, so we have droplets here, here, here, and then we have kind of a splot of work here. Thank you. I'll show you what's been marked as Stacey Gowett 26 right of station you recognize that. And what is it? That would be the recovered roll of paper towels. In 26, it's actually the paper pack. Correct. That is correct. And it's the bag you can place that will paper towels from Stacey Gowett 25 into. Yes. How do you know that? Because I've dated it, I've placed my initials on the evidence link. So this is writing we see on the front of the bag at yours. The rugged here would be from detective walls who assisted at the scene in this process. Can you mention the evidence tape? I know that's your evidence tape. That is my initials, my date. And on the front, next to the exhibit sticker, that's a proper yet as barcode. That's a proper yet as barcode. So when we fill those out, we place them onto the bag. So we can take them properly. And you know, again, by this is the whole paper towel. It does. And it's a blue tape on here as well. In your experience, what is that consistent with? I could be consistent with a lab, a lab of yours. And this later on the back, is that also consistent with the lab? It is. Other than the fact that it has this bar sticker from the lab on the back and the blue tape from the lab, is this an evidence tape with paper towels and substantially the same condition as when you took it from the residents and it's a good idea to take it from the lab. And then we can take it from the lab. And then we can see the thud and the duster. All right, what are we looking at here now? And say to you the third. We're looking at a receipt. And we're looking at a receipt. Let me show you what's in Mark for identification in state's exhibit 35. Do you recognize what's depicted in state's exhibit 35? I did. In general, what is it? It is a bank bag and the top left drawer of the bag. And what is this item to the right of the bank bag? That would be a roll of duct tape. Okay. Thank you. No further questions? The speech, anything? No questions, Eric. Okay. This way, the speech, excuse. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Paul, sir. Thank you. Please read it. We know about an hour and ten minutes here. I think it might be a good time for a whole break. I want to again remind you of what you were doing. I want to again remind you of what you were told at the first recess of the court. Until you retired and considered your work, you must not discuss this case among yourselves in the public, or prevent anyone to discuss it in your hearing. We should not form or express any opinion about the case until it's finally given to you to decide. We're not doing a research or investigation on your own about any matter regarding this case or anyone involved with the trial. We do not communicate with others about the case by any means. We do not read you or listen to any newspaper, radio, electronic communication from the internet or television report of the trial. About 11/7, one would come back by 11/20. All right. All right. You're just in charge of the jelly rations. But you can pass them down. Who got worked? We usually go with chocolate in the afternoon and the jelly rations in the morning and test of data. This is Paterson and I understand we ran a hot chocolate. So we're getting more hot chocolate brought up. This is Paterson, Mr. Chapman. Thank you, Your Honor. The state called Tom Van der. Third, come on in. [ Inaudible Remark ] >> You probably saw the test running. You're about to get in the call. It's not going to be the court. We'll be through the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So if you got -- >> Yes, thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, everybody. >> Good morning. >> Good morning. >> The P. G. St. Your Name. Thomas J. Van Nieberg. >> And can you make a spell your last name for the record? >> It is V-A-N-D-E-B-E-R-G. Sir, what is the current occupation? I am the chief forensic investigator with the Green County Medical Examiner's Office. In general, what is the Green County Medical Examiner's Office? The Medical Examiner's Office is tasked by statues with investigating any sudden unexpected death or any death that is suspicious or fuzzy by any kind of violence. What are your current duties right now as chief forensic investigator? As the chief forensic investigator, I supervise the four other investigators in the office. I assist with autopsy, so I do best to investigations. And I do the administrative paperwork side of the office also. How long have you been chief forensic investigator? 17 years. Before being the chief investigator, did you work for the medical examiner's office in another capacity? Yes, I was an investigator for four years before becoming the chief investigator. Was that pretty much the same duties without all the supervisors? It was actually mostly on call part-time. I also worked as a paramedic at that time. And where did you work as a paramedic? I worked by last five years as a paramedic here in Springfield for Mercy Hospital. Where did you start your career as a paramedic? I started in Sue City, Iowa. I obtained EMT and then EMT and immediate and paramedic training through Western Iowa Tech Community College. Worked in Sue City, worked in Southern California, Nebraska, Montana, and then back to Iowa before living here. And how many total years did you work as a paramedic? 20 years. What is your educational background? I have an associate's degree in police science. I have a bachelor's degree in business administration, and I have a master's degree in forensic science. Did you initially receive some specialized training to become a paramedic? Yes. And what was that training? That training was, it's a 1,200-hour paramedic training curriculum that includes classroom and practical training in emergency medicine, anatomy, physiology, pharmacology, and everything to do with working as a paramedic in plastic. And did you receive specialized training specifically in investigating death scenes? Yes. And what was that? In January 1996, I attended the St. Louis University Medical Legal Death Investigation Training course. I also later in 1996 attended the Medical Legal Death Investigation Training course, put on by the state medical examiner in Iowa, which is where I was working at the time, and that I've taken multiple continuing education of trainings in all different aspects of forensic investigation. And do you have any certification? I am certified as a fellow by the American Board of Medical Legal Death Investigation. As a forensic investigator, is it fair to say that your duties can be split up between investigation on scene and then assistance during autopsy? Yes. Can you describe what is it that you do as an investigator in general when you're actually on the scene? After death scene, we are summoned typically by law enforcement who is already there. Initially, on arrival, we make contact with the lead investigator from law enforcement, get a summary of what's going on. We start taking photographs of the outside of the scene, and then photograph as we go into the scene, gather all the information we've had about the deceased. And then we observe and record what we see at the scene, and then do a examination of the deceased, and then package the deceased for transportation for autopsy of this report. Then when you are assisting in autopsy, what are your duties? When I assist with the autopsy, typically it's myself and the forensic pathologist. I get the body out, weigh the body, get all the containers, send everything set up for the autopsy. Then I take the photographs during the autopsy. I assist with measurements and weighing and documentation as directed by the pathologist. And then I also assist the pathologist in opening the body, removing the organs for their examination. As the forensic pathologist is conducting the autopsy, are you also personally observing what if any injuries may be present? Yes. The pathologist is on one side of the table, I'm on the other, and we're working together. And does that include both the injury, if present on the surface level of the body as well as any damage that may be caused internally? Yes. And has your training and experience allowed you to become familiar with human anatomy? Yes. Which specific training? All the way through EMT and paramedic training, fifth investigation training in my forensic master's degree, we had two forensic pathology courses that went heavily into anatomy and physiology of the body. And then has a portion of your training experience also been being able to determine what mechanisms cause certain injuries? And which specific parts of your training? And mechanism of injury was very important in pre-hospital care and paramedic training because you had to anticipate injuries that didn't show up right away by examining the mechanism of injury and what could possibly be injured that you don't see right away? I'd like to call your attention to the early morning hours of June 15, 2015, where you called out to 21-03 West Volunteer Way. Yes, so we described what initially brought me to that location. I was called by the Sheriff's Office with the information that there was a homicide at that location. When you arrived on scene, about what kind of day or night was it? I arrived on the scene shortly before 2am, where there was a lot of police and other personnel there. Yes. When you first arrived on scene, what were some of the first things that you did? I met with Detective Stanley, who was the lead investigator at the scene, got a synopsis of what was happening, that there was the deceased female, that they had gone into the residence, done their initial observations, but had not touched the body at that point. At that point, we could on protected clothing type ex-suit, blue covers, gloves, photographed the external area of the scene, and then we entered through the front door of the residence. Once you were inside the residence, what did you do? We took photographs going through of the kitchen dining area living room, bathroom, and another bedroom that the door was open, and then started photographing into the room where the deceased was. And later our name was Claude and Blanchard. Once you were in the room where Ms. Blanchard's body was, how did you conduct your investigation? We start from the doorway, noting the condition of the room, what lights are on to on, position of furniture, position of other items around the room, and then work into the body, observing the location of the room. And then work into the body, observing the body in the position found, and with, in this case, the coverings, the big coverings, covering most of the body, did you ultimately observe any injuries? as we went up to the actual barn. There were several defects which appeared from sharp injury through the back of the clothing. She was laying face down on the bed. Arms were up with hands underneath her face. There was blood saturating the back of the neck down that she was wearing. Blood also on the bed. Once you made those observations, then what was the next thing to do? Once we moved the bedding down, moved the clothing out, we did observe several apparent stab wounds across the upper back. Aside from the injuries that you've talked about, was there anything else that you could determine about the condition of Ms. Glansher's body? Rigor mortis was passing, which takes 24 to 36 hours for rigor mortis to be firm and then start to pass after 24 to 36 hours. Her rigor mortis was passing. Her face and we depended level of her body that front was very dark and the skin was starting to slip when we moved her body, which is another indication that death had been at least 36 hours prior to the end of the day. Did you eventually make arrangements to have Ms. Glansher's body transported for autopsy? Yes, we rolled her over, looked for other injuries, secured her in a body bag. We put a identification tag on the left ankle at the scene and then we put a walking seal on the body bag. We had this scene, had another investigator who came out with the band and we transported her to the medical examiner's office sit down. Is that then when her autopsy was conducted? Her autopsy was conducted, I believe we started just before 1 o'clock that same day in the afternoon. In general, I should have asked this earlier, what is an autopsy? An autopsy is a complete examination of the body used to determine the cause of death and up to determine the manner of death. Did you assist in Ms. Glansher's autopsy? Yes, I did. Who was the medical examiner or forensic pathologist? Dr. Jeff Hartson was the medical examiner at that point. Was there anyone else present during the autopsy besides yourself and Dr. Hartson? Yes, there were detectives from the Green County Sheriff's Office that were present at the autopsy. In a case like this of a suspected homicide, is that unusual to have law enforcement there while you're doing the autopsy? No, that is standard to law enforcement who tends to be a autopsy for a suspicious death. Prior to examining this, one of her injuries, did you do some preliminary evidence collection? Once the body bag is open and we put evidence bags on the hands at the scene. Those bags are removed one at a time, the hands are photographed. We did collect all the specimens for a sexual assault hit, which is standard in a homicide that we do that. That included clipping the nails, swabs of the mouth, vaginal swabs and rectal swabs, and comings and whole hairs of the pubic and head hairs. Specifically with the swabbing of the mouth, what's that called? It's a buckle swab and we just rub the inside of the cheek for any DNA material that may be there. In your experience, is that type of swab of the cheek typical to obtain a sample of that person's own DNA? Yes, that's what it means to obtain a sample of that person's own DNA. That's what it means to obtain a sample of that person's own DNA. It collected the whole kit. Did you make any preliminary observations on the clothing of Miss Lancer? She was wearing a nut gown and it had multiple holes in the back and a few holes on the side, I believe. Then after the preliminary examination, did you go ahead and examine Miss Lancer's body for injury? Yes. Did you photograph that process? Yes. Yes. Okay. Matt Groschel. I'll show you what has been marked as states exhibits 13 through 18. You could just take a second and look at those. Do you recognize those? Yes. What are they? Those are photographs from the scene of Miss Lancer as she was found in her bed and then packaged in body bed. And do the images of Miss Lancer in those photographs fairly accurately depict how she looked when she saw her. Yes. I'm going to show you what I have marked. Yes. Those are photographs taken at the autopsy of Miss Lancer. Do they fairly accurately reflect how she looked during the autopsy of Miss Lancer? Yes. Is that for Claudine Lancer? Yes, it is. Are you going to have the witness describing her going to you? Yes. Canadian Local 2017 2 Diane The Division of the State of Ontario, in the south of the country, was taken from the left side of the south of the country. In looking in the states of the state of the state of the state, is that blood, basically, is soaked there through a night down? Yes, the back of the night was saturated and mostly dried at the time of the summer. It looks like there, then that heat sheet lower than that, and ultimately the computer also has some blood, gives. Other than that, did you observe any kind of blood that flew onto the walls or anything like that? Not that I observed. When I was there, it was early morning and we were in sub-optimal lighting conditions. And what is that called when blood kind of projects from the body? Cast off, when an item is withdrawn and has blood on it, blood is cast off of that item, and blood spatter is the overall forensic field of looking at the blood evidence left to the scene. Then flipping to states that it's 15, whatever it's looking at. That is the initial lifting the back of the night down to see some of the wounds on his blind chart's back. That is a large wound on the back of the net. And you also have wounds on the right side of the net that are visible on this picture also. And flipping to the next day, the state is at 17, what is that? That is after we were able to move the blind chart onto a body bag onto the other side of the bench for transport in her. The locking seal has been placed on the body bag in her name. Autopsy number, we're written on the back. And then flipping to state the 18. That is a close-up of the locking seal that shows the individual number for that seal. Each seal has a ton of unique number. And fair to say what we just looked at is that it's 13 through 18 more all pictures that were taken at the scene. Now going back for a moment to the autopsy, when it came time to inspect the body of Ms. Blanchard for injury, were you there personally present? Yes, I was. And did you personally observe each injury on an external part of her body? Yes, did you personally observe what if any damage those external injuries caused to be inside her body? In general, what type of injuries did Ms. Blanchard have? She had both stab wounds and incised her cutting wounds. How many stab wounds did she have? She had 17 stab wounds. And how many incised wounds? There were two large incised wounds, but they appeared to have been a series of cuts to cause those two large wounds. Given the, I guess which general part of her body were the stab wounds, too? The stab wounds were primarily over the upper back. There was one stab wound on the right side, and there was one stab wound just above the collarbone on the right side on the front. And two in the back of the head. Now, how many wounds on the neck? You mentioned that there were both stab wounds and those incised wounds. Based on your training and experience, what causes an incised wound? A sharp object drawn across in a cutting motion to cause a large cut injury. If we flip to the next page, which is stated to 36, what are we leaving in that paper? That is the Bonnie Bag at the autopsy showing that the locking seal is still intact. And we have added the autopsy number, the scale we put in on the photographs taken at autopsy. Then we flip the page. What are we looking at and stated to the 37? That is the incised wound on the back of the neck to the left side of the page. And on the right side of the page is the large incised wound to the right side of the neck, which in this photograph there are several wounds that look like they run together into one large wound on the right side. And specifically, kind of up there towards the top, that more circular wound, what type of stab? It appears that that was a stab wound. And there were two stab wounds to the back of the head just right at the top of the neck. And in your training and experience with those that caused by a different mechanism than the incised wounds, well, a stabbing is a puncture going straight in or at an angle. But to just puncture the skin and hit whatever is underneath as opposed to the cutting motion of the incised wound. And then you flip the page, say, to flip the third or eighth, what are we seeing in this picture? In this picture, it shows both wounds, the large incised wounds, but it also does show that there is a stab wound behind the right ear at the back of the head just at the top of the neck. And then also the larger incised wounds on the right side of the neck. And then we flip the page to say to the third or ninth, what is this picture focusing on? And this shows multiple superficial wounds on the right side of the neck going down towards the shoulder. And it shows the clear, forked tails in that large wound on the right that indicated several cutting motions for that wound. And then we see other wounds on the right are very superficial and just one peeled some superficial skin and several of them are discreet. Now, in regard to the incised wound on the back of the neck, we're able to tell how deep that was. And then we just did go all the way into where it was in contact with the bone of the cervical spine. And it contacted that between the six and seven cervical vertebrae. And how about the depth of the incised wound on the side? The wound on the right side also went down to the cervical spine until a contact of the bone. And then we flip to say to David 40, what is this photograph of? That is a photograph of Ms. Poyn-Charles-Bach taking from the right side. And there are numbers there. What do those signify? Dr. Harkie numbered each wound and this shows the numbers one through fourteen and four of the sad wounds on the back. And of those 14 wounds there on the back were there certain ones that cost significant more damage than others of these wounds. Room number three, number five, number six, number seven, number twelve, and number fourteen penetrated into the chest cavity. And a couple of them on into the abdominal cavity of Ms. Wenchard. And if you go ahead and flip to state exhibit 41, what is this exhibit? This is a photograph that I initial when I circled those six wounds that penetrated into the body cavities and damaged internal structures. If we start with wound number three, what was the internal damage caused on them? Room number three, one into the left side of the chest, it damaged the left one, went into the pericardial sac, and then went into the left atrium of the heart. And how about wound number five? Room number five went into the left, the right side of the chest, and damaged the left, excuse me, the right lung. And I believe it may have also penetrated into the through the diaphragm and into the liver. And wound number six, wound number six penetrated into the right side of the chest and into the right lung. Number seven, wound number seven penetrated into the right side of the chest and into the right lung. Room number twelve, wound number twelve penetrated into the chest and into the right lung. And lastly, number fourteen penetrated into the chest, into the right lung. And then I believe it also went through the diaphragm into the liver. If you go ahead and flip to the last page, states it is four to two, you can describe this as a dinner. This is a copy of the Missouri desert for putting plant root. And when are these issues? These are issued after the certifying doctor has enough information to make the determination of the cause of manner of death. And it says their next date of death June 14, 2015, yes. Is that meant to see actual date of her death? No, that is actually the date found when we don't know the specific date of the death that we put on the desert, the date that the body is found. And ultimately what was the listed cause of death? The cause of death is listed as stab wounds like that moment. I don't have any further questions. I do. My question was, you can't tell us the order of these stab wounds. That's correct. That is correct. You can't tell us the time frame of these stab wounds occur. That's correct. The stab wounds would appear to be at the time of death. They were very closely with the minutes of the time of death. And that certainly appeared to be more than 36 hours from the condition of the body from the time I examined her early morning on June 15. You can't tell us the time frame is relation to the other injuries. They all occur in a very short period of time in the European Union. Yes, so the peer to the curve in a very short time. And almost all of the injuries were on the back. At least all the stab wounds, correct? Correct. And there was one stab wound on her. It looks like a right shoulder on the side of it barely in front. Yes. That would be consistent with maybe her lifting up and the process of the stab continuing. Correct. It could be that. And then she had some injuries on her hand. There was one in size wound on the ring finger. I believe the left hand. And there were stab wounds and in size wounds. Correct. Correct. In sad wounds, the head of the cemetery earlier would be stabbing most hits. Inside would be more of a slice or a cut. Yes. And I'm mentioning it. Rida Mordes. When did that normally start after one pass of the way? Rida Mordes starts to set in within several hours. It's determined by the temperature and activity at the time of death. How soon it really starts. But by six to eight hours, Rida Mordes is firm. And after 24 to 36 hours, Rida Mordes passes away. Okay. When you say pass of the way, tell us what that means. The body is in the position. But when we move an extremity, it doesn't try to go back to that position. It's classic once we move. And your best guess as to call time of death would have been about 36 hours of war she was found. That was a minimum. It could have been longer than that. That's all planned by J. You think further? No problem. With this, with the strings. Yes. On the outside. Yes. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Excuse me. Can you take those exhibit forward and pass them down? I'm assuming you're not going to use them in the next step. Correct. I'm going to go over here. If you want to. You saw the test run year about to give them the follows and pending for the court. The whole truth and nothing with the truth. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you. people in the state tonight. >> Ben Jolion. >> Mr. Jolion, what's your current occupation? >> I am self-employed. >> Doing? >> I sell, I use to spend a little bit. >> Yeah. >> How long have you done that? >> Just slightly over three years. >> What did you do before owning your own business? >> I was a detective sergeant here in the county shares office. >> What were your duties as a detective sergeant? >> Followed through with investigations, crimes, mostly felony crimes. How long total were you with the shares office? August 22nd, I believe, of 2009 to July 30th of 2015. >> And specifically back in June of 2015, what were your duties? >> I was a detective sergeant. >> In which unit was that in person? >> In probably like it sounds, personal crimes are. >> Specifically on June 14th of 2015, did you become involved in investigation involving the death of Claude Lancher? >> Yes. >> How did you initially become involved? >> I was called out that night to their residence and began being named by Canvas with my, what I was assigned to do. >> Were you already on duty when you were called out or were you, >> No. >> I was off. >> Yes. >> It was one of your tasks to attend Miss Lancher's autopsy? >> Yes. >> In what day was that? >> It was July 15th, 2015. >> June June. >> I'm sorry, June. >> So, I thought that. >> Did you investigate homicides before? >> Yes. >> And is it common for investigators to be present there during the autopsy? >> Yes. >> Why is that? >> To collect evidence, record findings, photographs. And did you take any part in collecting evidence during this Williams' autopsy? Yes. Can you describe what you did? >> From start to finish, basically collected the body and tank of bags. She was in the seal for that. Her hands were sealed within bags by our crime scene investigators from the same cell, collected those in the room. There was a necklace in her clothing. She was collected and then DNA type evidence slots pulled hairs from her. her head, pulled pubic hairs, combed pubic hairs, figured out cooking for both hands, and then buckle swaps through her mouth, vagina and anus. And were all of those swabs and different things kind of contained into one kit individually packaged in, so and with it in a rape kit, yes. You actually took the samples, forensic investigator Tom Fetter, and did you, were you present when he took them and then did you yourself collect them? Yes, after each one of them, he collected them and put them in her respective package. Did you make any marking on them so that to document the fact that you were collecting them? Yes. And what was that mark? My visual, my DSN number 7 or 4. And you mentioned buckle swabs, what's a buckle swap? It's basically a swap that will collect DNA samples from whatever it's in contact with the mouth, the commonly done. And also those can most be called oral swabs as well. And specifically did you collect the oral swab of Ms. Blanchard? Yes. And what did you do with it after it was handed to you? I collected it in its separate box and then it was placed into my evidence bag, basically put it back in that sexual cell kit and then later finalized my packaging and some of your thought-free room. Not approaching it. Yes. I'll show you what I marked as states existed, 4 to 3. Do you recognize them? Yes. What is that? It says oral swabs in the time of 13 to 12 hours. And is this oral swab the one that was taken in this blank sugar and neurotoxics? And is it in the same or substantially the same condition that your mark was as it was when you collected it? Yes. None of the state would seem to admit states existed for 43. No objection. Could it be received so? Any questions in the sequence? No, you're right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions? We have another one. The state of our 20th speed mark. All about six. Let me see. Let me see. I always worry some of you will follow me this way. Sorry. We saw the test, we've asked you to come up and put the cord on the way to the truth. More truth and nothing to do so for you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm Steve Martin. I'm a guardian employee. What the green County Sheriff's Office? How long have you worked with the Green County Sheriff's Office? December 2007, some 11 years. What is your current as a patrol supervisor? A year started? Yes. What do you do to patrol supervisor? My job is to supervise the daily activities. The officer is on the street currently taking calls for service, making traffic subs exciting. How is it different for patrol service? The patrol sergeant is handling the day-to-day stuff as far as in progress, type calls, whereas as a detective it's kind of a reactive approach. I want to take you back to June 2015. In July 2015, we were working in the detective position at that time. What was your general sign? What do you typically do? I was assigned to the property crimes division at the time during that time. And even though you were in the property unit, would you help on a case that you had on the side? Yes. He's my wife and you do that during the property section. As a detective within the Sheriff's Office, you can be tasked with many different aspects of the job. So a lot of different detectives within the division know different assignments have different skills, I guess, as you would say. As part of your investigation, let me back down. Did you come and met part involved in part of the investigation of the death and quality of the lecture? I did. As part of that investigation, were you assigned to look into where the person named Nicholas Goodidge on had been? Yes. As well as a jimsy bunch of them. Yes. As part of that, did you respond to the days and years you were in here? I did. And you received information about them checking out, part about the June 11th and your June 12th. I did. I did. Were you able to attend to surveillance videos? Should one of them? Yes. Who did the surveillance video show in general? It showed generally Mr. Goodidge on, but it also, we believe it was a female jitsy as well on the surveillance. And so the MS video was it more than one location within the days and the one locations specifically? The front desk and also in a hallway where an elevator is located. And so for example, the front desk, who was seeing on the surveillance video? The defendant, Mr. Goodidge. And you, you called someone that offended you, see someone you know it, it was good to come here in the courtroom. Yes. We can point him out and describe who's going to be sitting at the defendant's table and we're going to have a white with a tan kind of temperature. Record of identification of the defendant. It was so ruthless. And then you mentioned saying, well, the tan and jitsy ranchers somewhere else, where was you? You saw them on the surveillance video? Together they were seeing exiting an elevator in the hallway. And you've had an out-of-care view that surveillance video from June 11th and June 12th? Yes. And fairly accurately capture those locations of the days now? Yes. The system was working properly? Yes. I'm going to show you a desk, a DVD. It's been marked when the state versus nickels could have gone to the top of the case number. And then at the bottom it says, states exhibits 46 and lists them individually. 46 and 67. Do you see that? Yes. How do you recognize this particular desk? Those are videos as well as official photos from the surveillance video. And so, particularly days in, it states 46 through 49 and 55 through 62 other desk. Correct. Yes. And you've seen those on the desk? Yes. And do you do something to this desk so you would recognize it again? I'll put my initials in the upper right corner. And so I see some initials, PT, which is not new. Correct. And then just below that, SM, we've been marking the issue. Yes, sir. And so, do you state exhibits for identification 46 through 49 and 55 through 62, fairly and actively represent that surveillance video of the front desk and at that elevator location at the days in on June 11th and June 12th 2015? Yes. Let me frame this time. You know that all pretty good. It's not all pretty good. Mr. Reed, there's very many questions. Pretty clear on it. So, I'd like to order you had an opportunity to repeat that as prior to today. Yes. And it showed Mr. Goody John arriving there at the hotel. Show's him that front desk, yes. And then the show's checking in? Yes. And do you know what manner of payment he used checking in? I do know. Thank you, sir. Can we leave for-- No, you can't. Can we leave for-- No, sir. May we leave the excuse? Yes, sir. Thank you. Appreciate it. We have another-- Sir, who would he be at the end of the morning when it's the time? Well, folks, do you have a chance to come on to it? I want to again remind you of your total purse recess in the court until you retire and get to the degree you've earned. You must not discuss this case among yourselves or with others. Hopefully, then, you want to discuss it in your area. We should not form or express it. And then, if you're thinking about the case, so it's not really good to use a saw. Do not do any research or reservation on your own about any matter regarding this case or anyone involved with the trial. Do not communicate with others about the case, whether you need to use, do not read, view, or the similarly use-based review, electronic communication from the internet or tell them it's real court of the trial. It's about 12-15 now. I want to come in and come back about 130. If you're ready to have lunch with one another, you choose to do so. Please don't discuss the case at all very late. If anyone would approach you, try to talk to you, please tell them you can't speak to them. Thank you so much. All right. And we'll see you down stairs. [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO]