E180 - David Ghiyam: The Universal Laws of Creating Prosperity & Wholeness in Life

When a challenge occurs in your life, you're being tested. The test is you're going to have a God or you're going to have a good victim. Don't fail the test. You are exactly where you need to be. Where you were born and how you were created is exactly how the creator wants you to be. I've reached the more people in one year than I did in the entire 20 years before that. And for that one year, my mindset was, I thought about how much time you put in your career. It's about opening up those gates so the energy can finally flow. It's like arteries that are blocked from people. What's one spiritual law you think people violate daily? People don't realize, myself included, how many limited beliefs we have that are causing us not to have a fun. Like you're meant for something so great, and this was one of the most powerful moments of my life. The easiest path to miracles is to be so conscious of what you're saying. First, make yourself complete inside of yourself, then all those things around you, the right things will come to the right way at the right time. My soul came to this world to become like the creator. That's the only reason I'm here. And then I realized something. The secret to life is. David, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. You feel there are universal spiritual laws, much like there are physical ones, yes? That is correct. Could you set the stage for that a bit? When I was 15, I was exposed to this idea that there must be spiritual laws adjacent to the physical laws that we all believe in, like gravity or person needs oxygen to survive. So, what does the soul need in order to connect to a realm of miracles? Or what are the spiritual laws that find in your soulmate? Or spiritual laws of activating, healing, and an up-around that then translates to finding the right doctor or the right diet or the right medicine in the lower world. And so I was really fascinated by that, and that's how I found Kabbalah, and that just opened up a whole new world for me. And it was actually very scientific, because you learn how to apply these spiritual laws, and then you see results in the physical world manifest so beautifully. And so that's been my life's work for the last 25 years. It seems like early on in the personal development scene, you're kind of encouraged to learn the strategies to go out and get what you want in life, and really see what you want in life, which I think has a beautiful purpose, and then there's the switch to seeing what life wants of you. And I'm curious how you kind of shifted the framework to viewing the light of the creator, which I've heard you reference. And by connecting to that source, sort of manifesting in life, greater abundance, greater connection, greater relationships that are more aligned with your soul. So can you set the stage for what you think, like that, how you refer to that light of the creator? Yeah, so the premise of this wisdom is fairly simple, that there is a source of energy that we call the creator, and what emanates from this creator is called the light. So it's the light of the creator. Within this light is all the sources of fulfillment. So when a person is looking for love, love is within this light. When a person is looking for a partnership or their soulmate, that is within this light. When a person is looking for abundance, prosperity, healing, peace of mind, certainty, whatever desire we have exists within this light. We have been created as souls, which are vessels, desires to receive this light. Our soul came to this world, in order to connect with this light. We weren't born with this connection, because part of our soul's journey is to earn that connection. Something is given to us for free, we don't actually appreciate it or understand it. So our soul severed from this light, to come down to a physical world of darkness. And the challenges that we go through, and all the different dynamics and relationships, which there's so much to speak about, are there to help us earn the light of the creator. The way you earn the light of the creator is by becoming like the creator. So the Sages teach all the different qualities in ways to elevate your vibration, to become like the creator. When you do that, your soul connects to this energy, and then the darkness in your life begins to disappear. So for example, if a person is single, they're wondering how can they find a relationship? Where is their soulmate? How can they be successful in dating? All of these questions are answered very simply. When you bind your soul to the light of the creator, the darkness called being single will go away. Somehow you will be guided towards your true path with your soulmate, or at least with the person that you need to be, who will elevate you to another level, to be with the next person that you'll be eventually with. So everything is all about number one. I wake up in the morning. What do I need to transform about myself to become like the creator, to connect with that light? Then the light guides you into what else you need to do, what career path you need to take, where your healing is, where your soulmate is, so on and so forth. - When you say that it's the light of the creator, so to speak, which we could place any given name there, and something that we must earn. - Yeah. - And that we're not essentially born, and it feels very counterintuitive with me in a way I almost don't agree with, because you see a child and you see inherent with them the light of the creator. So it could be a semantic thing, but I'm curious what your thoughts are on that. - It's actually a great point that you bring up. For example, the sage just say that a child is inherently born with a connection to the light of the creator. What actually happens is as they grow up and it happens around 12 for a girl and 13 for a boy, that light is actually diminished. It's concealed from them in a way that they now go out to reveal their own light. This is why every baby that's born, we love every baby that's born. We love every child that's born. They look cute, they're adorable, they're so innocent, because they have that connection with the light force. But as time goes on, in the same way that, we end up leaving our parents home in order to find our true identity, the light is concealed from these children, and there's those tumultuous times in a teenager. That's when it starts to really happen, where each soul is to reconnect with the light, but from their own co-creation. So the way that happens is our soul comes to this world with baggage, spiritual baggage, what we call these tycoons or soul corrections. So every year that we have a bit of anger or judgment, all the negativity that we have inside of us, our soul brought from a past life, and we need to see what those negativities are and then transform them. All the relationships that we have in our lives are often the first line of seeing what is inside of us. So people start awakening our negativity, our fears. But the purpose of that is so that we can see it, so we can transform it in order to connect more strongly with the light of the creator. - How certain are you that the tycoon or spiritual baggage comes from previous lives and that we have our sort of sent here with our personal karma to reconcile? - How certain am I? - That's the playbook that I have learned. And then everything that I have learned in this wisdom, I've approached the healthy skepticism. Also, I've never been the person to just take what people tell me and believe it until I've tried it. So in the last 25 years, what I have learned has felt intuitive, has felt right, and then I've applied it in my own lives. So especially in the most difficult times in the greatest of challenges, that's when you're tested to see if you really believe in this wisdom. I have been through some of the most difficult challenges in my life, and instead of reacting to them the way I probably normally would have, or just going out into the physical world looking for a solution, I said, said, you know what, I'm going to apply the spiritual principles as I've learned them because it's easy to talk about when things are great. But when everything is disappearing and you're hitting rock bottom, that's when you really need to apply it. That's when you really know that you believe in it. And so when I have, I have seen the greatest miracles in my life. I've seen really dark disappear overnight. And so I just keep learning, applying, learning, applying, and so far I've been working quite beautifully. - Yeah, I'm somebody who-- - You have a healthy skepticism. - Yeah, I think in the search of truth, there's 1,000 different names we could apply to different ways that reality is unfolding in our relationship to it. I think I've had at times for sure an allergy to assumptions or dogmatic conclusions when it's outside of our own internal subjective experience, lessons that we've learned externally that we then adopt, which might very well be a useful framework and perspective that actually helps us in our life. But in the search of truth, that's more objective in the sense. I just come to question those things and what are the beliefs that I'm using to support me, that are useful, that aren't actually in my internal experience, for example, in past lives or whatever. So I'm curious in your distinction there. But yeah, there's the love for the philosophy of the different religious texts and the ancient wisdom traditions and what they say about this life. And it's cool to see the overlap and how they explain very similar things in different ways. What is your relationship between the understanding from the teachings externally, from like, probabilistic, non-nostic origins to the like, the internal connection and understanding? - So, for example, one of the practices would be that, obviously, we know that when a person dies, the body is dematerializing. And if a person believes in the soul, so what happens to the soul? So the body is a vessel for the soul. The soul is a vessel for this energy of creations, a bit called God, we are calling it the light of the creator. And this soul is immortal in many ways. This is what we believe. Now, the soul can fragment into many more souls. So for example, if I left this world, then my soul could fragment into four more souls. And each one then comes back into the physical world with whatever spiritual baggage that origin the soul didn't fix. Also, what's really fascinating is that these four souls in many ways are considered soulmates. So soulmates aren't just that one person that you get to know, love, and potentially marry and be with. Soulmates can be friends, it can be family members, romantic relationships that are just there for a moment in time, or someone that you are living with for the rest of your life. But each one of these fragmented souls that are originally part of one soul come into your life to elevate you and somewhere another. Either by awakening some form of pain, because pain transforms us, or by inspiring us, by loving us, by creating a reality of safety for us that helps us grow also. Because most people either are growing through pain, mostly through pain, or by through inspiration. Either way, every relationship is falling into one of those two categories. So for example, if someone has a fear of abandonment, and they may think, well, they were born to divorced parents, and one of their parents were just not around. And so the child felt abandoned. The sages say that that soul already was coming into this world with that fear of abandonment, and that soul chose parents that it knew would be the best trigger to awaken those fears, and to awaken those wounds. Because everything that hasn't been fixed desires to be fixed. Everything is trying to go into a place of completion, a place of wholeness, a place of oneness. Everything is being moved towards that direction. So how do you get to that place when you have this wound, this fear of abandonment that you've carried from past life? You're going to put yourself in situations that will be best to trigger it. And so this is one of the things that we teach him. People then start to understand not to blame their parents, but to realize that their soul chose to be in certain dynamics, knowing that was the most powerful way to elevate, to become their best self. - You mentioned a couple of times where you experienced a lot of internal darkness on your path, and then. - Good job. - Yeah. So could you take us back to when Kabbalah came into your life, and the difficulties you were facing, and how it became this source of inspiration for understanding your life better? - When I was 15 years old, I was in school. I did well in school, but I was wanted more, I craved more, everything was kind of boring to me. So I actually went down a path of investing in the stock market, even though I shouldn't have done that as a teenager and learning how to play poker and gambling, and that became all consuming for me like 15 hours a day. I made a lot of money when I was a teenager. I think I made my first million when I was 14 or 15. And all of that was because I was pursuing something greater. I wanted more, just didn't know where to channel my energy. When my uncle told me about spirituality and Kabbalah, I thought it was religion, so I didn't want that. 'Cause I don't like the dogmatic part of that. But he said, no, go to a seminar, you'll see what it's like. I went to my first seminar, everything made sense, everything felt like cause and effect. And I said, I'm gonna take the chance and just start applying. From that moment on, I saw that I was not the effect of life anymore. I was able as a young teenager to apply spiritual concepts and be able to manifest more miraculous realities in this physical world than any other way I was pursuing it. I then said, this is the most fulfilling thing to do. I graduated college early at 19 and I joined a nonprofit to bring this wisdom to the whole world. I didn't get paid for it. And all I did is travel the world, giving life seminars, so I've given probably 2,000 life seminars, and then meeting people one-on-one and just helping them and guiding them, not being compensated for it. That was an incredible journey, and I learned a lot during that path. But as time went on, for example, when I got married at the age of 29, when we got married, we had no money. I obviously didn't have any money. She didn't have any money. And that began one of the most difficult periods of my life, 'cause now I'm in the real world. Now I'm not this guy working for a nonprofit. Everything's taking care of for me. I'm just helping and giving. Now I have a wife. I have real bills. I have, I never had a credit card. I never had credit. I never had a bank account to that moment. And then everything started to hit me. And then one challenge after another. For miscarriages, when we were trying to have kids, six months behind them rent. And at the same time, I'm still teaching this wisdom. So to the world, I'm the guy that's bringing incredible wisdom that helping other people have miracles. But then people are questioning, you in your own life, you're poor. You can't make your rent. You can't have a child. I start to think to myself, does this really work? And for that one year, my mindset was, why is this happening to me? I've dedicated my whole life to helping other people. And this was probably one of the most powerful moments of my life. Said, I've helped tens of thousands of people I've given every hour of my time for charity. And I'm the one not seeing any miracles at this stage of my life. But then I realized something after a year, though. I said to myself, you know what? This wisdom either works or it doesn't. What would it mean for me if it worked? Everything I'm going through right now must be an opportunity to create miracles. So I realized that I needed to go through this experience to truly elevate my certainty and to see inside myself what was coming up, which was this feeling of being a victim. All of a sudden, when things don't go my way, I now question things and I'm a victim. And I'm feeling pity for myself. And I realized that was the transformation. I now have the opportunity to be unconditionally happy is if I've already have everything in my life. I would live in the New York City at the time. So I was walking down New York City and I was looking at all the buildings and I'm like, who's to say that I don't own everything? Who's to say that I'm not already a billionaire? Who's to say that I don't already have kids? So I just lost four children. Who's to say that that's even true? I started to change my consciousness around being the energy that I was trying to receive from the outside world. A week later is when we had an idea to create a vitamin because Meredith was in health and wellness and she said, I want to create a product. And that was the idea to create a liquid vitamin. That, and I'm sure maybe you've seen or you know, that marks the beginning where we had no money. Nothing just an idea for a liquid vitamin that became the largest supplement brand in the nation today. And the largest liquid vitamin brand in the world. I know that the idea, the inspiration, the miracle of that product came right after I shifted my mindset out of being a victim to what would the creator do right now. Shifting to that vibration is what shifted me to a realm of miracles. Right after that, then we had four children as well. So the miscarriage was two single children and twins that were miscarried. And then we had two single children and twins are physically born. I saw miracles like that over and over and over again. And for everybody watching, everyone's going through some kind of darkness or some kind of pain or challenge. They need to know that this is exactly what their soul designed for them to go through. And even though you do not see how you'll get out of it, you do not see where the miracle will come from. There is greater fulfillment that you could possibly imagine waiting for you on the other end of this. But the fulfillment is waiting for you to shift your consciousness out of being a victim to being of the vibration of the light of the creator. Thank you for sharing that light of the creator. I've heard you refer to sort of as a prism like the light, white light going through a prism. So can you share a bit of the context of how you think by aligning with the energy of nature in a sense, which we can give names to all of these, the light of the creator, God, universal consciousness, nature like I think it's important not to get caught up in the semantics here because we could go back and forth all day on those. But by tuning ourselves to that energy, what becomes available and all the other areas of life if you could set the stage for? Can you give me examples as you're talking about, for example, in nature? Give me more perspective on what you feel and what you know other people feel about this so I can help raise the calf. We've had many different conversations exploring rosecretionism from panpsychists and understanding consciousness being the binding force, fundamental nature within the universe. I would say that the majority of it is that me. So let's say, 'cause I believe in what you're saying, and I think it's the same. Can you explain that consciousness being the binding force? The typical reductionist material's notion of consciousness is that our brain produces it. And you believe this? No, I don't. I don't know. Fully, I'm convinced increasingly more and more that consciousness is a fundamental constituent of the universe. What do you believe? That's what I feel. Oh wait, if you believe that that consciousness doesn't exist, what do you believe exists? I believe that consciousness is fundamental. If I were to say instead of the brain creating it from unconscious complexity of neuronal structure is a more fundamental constituent of the universe that is ultimately the same weaving tapestry that connects us all. So we, in essence, was share the same consciousness from its source to you, myself, everybody in this room. But we're taking the costume of an individual, separate self to be able to kind of play and have the illusion of separation that gives us the ability to play at this game. And what is the source of the consciousness? The source of the consciousness? I don't know if I would put a name to it, it's nameless. Where did it begin? I don't know. So it's a, because I'm very curious, because what I've often seen is that we'll be having a conversation and actually we're saying the same exact thing in different words and different costumes. And so I am curious because what you're saying actually does sound on the deepest levels of this wisdom to be accurate. Because this consciousness, the sages would say is a desire, is a vessel because it holds something, it holds energy. We do believe that it has energy. So it must be some kind of receptacle for this energy. And we are taking, from what you're saying, we're kind of taking the way a stone, a human from a mountain becomes its own stone, even though it's part of the mountain. Are you saying that we're taking from this consciousness and putting a costume on it, which is our individual cell? What I intuitively feel is true is that we are an individual expression of one eternal consciousness. This is exactly what the sages would say as well. So you're intuition is correct. Yeah, quite possibly. This one consciousness, okay. So then what, what do you do with that one consciousness? What is now the purpose of life? To know yourself is what I feel and why I originally started this conversation, this podcast, to have conversations that help people support that connection with themself, whatever the name they want to apply to it. Not just because of the results that it'll bear in our life, which we can get to and the relationships and business and everything, but what becomes available once you actually have that internal connection to something greater than your own thoughts and emotions, which were addicted and compulsives to. It's just such a joys available to us from that space. So to go back to the prism analogy by getting in touch with the source of that energy, what becomes available. So the prism analogy is if I refract the white physical light through a prism, I have all the colors of the rainbow. If I refract this source of energy called the light of the crater through a spiritual prism, I get all of the types of fulfillment that we're seeking, so it all exists within this one light. So if I'm looking for love, the way you find love is go straight to the source, which is the light. If you're looking for prosperity, instead of just going out there and saying, well, what's my purpose? What business should I start? What product should I start? People come to me all the time and they say, well, I want to start a company. What product do you think would sell best in the market? I say to them, look, it's not about the product that's going to sell best or not, because one person could sell that product and be very successful. Someone else could sell that product and it would fail. Why? Because a person who is successful selling that product, they've already connected their soul to the source of prosperity. So whatever they do after that, they will be guided to find the right employees, to find the right marketing, to find the right designs. And we've seen very successful people, no matter where you put them, they're successful. The wealthiest people I know, I could put them in any environment. I could strip them of their money, their network, whatever, plot them in some country and in the next two years, they'll find a way to be a billionaire. Doesn't matter what industry even. Because there's something on a soul level that they've already connected to prosperity. And then on the other hand, there's other people who maybe check every box in a relationship. They're good looking, they're intelligent, they're charismatic, they're so many things, but they can't find a partner. No matter what, they find, they date, they sabotage, something happens. It's because on a soul level, they haven't connected to that light, which that light includes love and relationship. So in everything that I'm imparting in this wisdom, it's people are spending so much time and energy chasing the colors when they could just tweak one thing, chase the white light, chase the source. Then the colors will all come to you. And the problem is when you're chasing just the color, you're chasing a part, not the whole. And every time you chase a part of something, you're connected to the lack, you're connected to the fragmentation. Kind of like what you said, a person will see miracles when they can connect to that unified consciousness, not be a separate force. Really what I hear is when you act like the creator, you're acting with oneness. And what is the creator? The creator's a force of certainty, not doubt. So every time you inject certainty, when you're going through a difficult time, you're closer to the creator, you're closer to the light. Every time you speak about the about someone, you speak evil speech about them, you're fragmenting yourself. You're thinking this person is the enemy. Every time you shut your mouth, and in fact, you think of something positive about them. You're acting more like the creator. Now you're connected more to the light. Can't your cells start to die? You get closer to your soulmate. You get closer to your prosperity. It's that simple. So the things that cause fragmentation from this universal consciousness is really another way of saying, I'm fragmenting myself away from this life force. And so you will have more and more darkness in your life. That darkness will be so painful that it will push you and break your ego to change something about yourself. Because eventually, you see even people who become so wealthy and become so successful, and then they're so empty and they have chaos in their lives. They can't even enjoy their wealth. Because just because you've got money, doesn't mean you're connected to the light of the creator. You trick the system. You found the way to grab some wealth. But you're not happy because you didn't first start by binding your soul to the light of the creator through transforming your negativity. It seems like there are perspectives that we hold, beliefs and assumptions about reality that separate us from being intimate with life, the source of the light. And there are positions, internal positions and perspectives that we can have that align us with that light. One of which you've sort of mentioned was this like needing energy versus how you can position yourself to be attractive and magnetized that which is meant for you. Now that could be seen through every lens, like we said, through business, finances, relationship, purpose, all of this. And so when you look at those two energies of needing from a place of lack versus attracting from a place of wholeness, how do you see that? - Great question. So the main spiritual law here is, can you desire everything but need nothing? And what does that mean? Going back to the simple universal law, which has become like the creator and then you will see miracles. What do we know about the creator? The creator is a force of wholeness. There's nothing incomplete within this creator, within this force of energy. The premise is that the creator is whole and complete. I was born incomplete, desiring something, thinking that something from the outside would come make me complete. My spiritual work is to transform that awareness to a higher level, which is that of the creator, which is I need to believe that I am whole and complete exactly as I am. Now, what happens is the moment you believe your whole and complete, your desire doesn't go away. So for example, let's say person wants to get married, person single, they want to be loved. When they tell themselves that they're whole and complete and they really feel that inside themselves, that doesn't change their desire to be with someone. In fact, what it does is it awakens a more powerful desire to receive a relationship, but not because they need it. Not because they need to fill some wound or hole or some lack inside themselves. Stages have already given us this wisdom. You think of Moses in Jesus in Abraham and all the Eastern philosophies. It all was rooted in one source concept, which is elevate yourself to a place of wholeness and look at the areas in your life where you feel incomplete. Do not try to use the physical world to make yourself complete. First make yourself complete inside of yourself. Then all those things around you, the right things will come to you and the right way at the right time. You know something else has come into me? A lot of people find difficulty in relationships and there are people right now who are probably facing betrayal. Like they just found out that someone is cheating on them or someone doesn't want to be with them. And a hundred percent in time, that means one thing. Instead of blaming the other person, instead of calling him or her a narcissist and trying to validate all the reasons why they're bad and they're confused and they're lost and they have mental issues or whatever it is that most people do, take a pause and realize that everything is trying to show you where your own limitations are. Where maybe you don't love yourself. Where maybe you have self worth issues. Where maybe you don't believe that you do deserve love. Like there's so many things that are limited inside of us. This pain is happening to show you the limitation. 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M-U-D-W-T-R.com/knowlesself. I hope you enjoy as much as I do back to the show. When people say everything happens for a reason, it seems like it aligns with the way that you're speaking to of somebody who is sent to challenge you. This experience is here to reveal where you still have a believed inherent limitation. And I do not doubt the usefulness of the framework. I'm curious though, do you think that these meanings that we are placing on these circumstances are simply meanings that we are generating? Or do you literally believe that these experiences are sent to you? I believe that we create our reality. And how do we do that? Person makes up of the morning. If I asked you or asked anybody, would you rather be limited or unlimited? Is anybody going to say limited? Anybody going to say, I want to be limited. Somehow energetically blocked. No one's going to say that. So subconsciously, everyone wakes up of the morning saying, I want to be unlimited. That desire to be unlimited is like a signal. It's like an energy you put out to the universe. The universe then matches that energy says, okay, you want to be unlimited? I now have to audit every part of yourself that is limited. So the universe then starts to detox limited beliefs that you have. You will then be tested in any area you feel limited. So for example, if you believe that you have to suffer to be successful, this is one of the most common and limited beliefs in wealth generation. And I've seen when people transform this belief, wealth comes to them so quickly. But there are people who believe, I need to suffer. I need to struggle. It's got to be hard. If it's not hard, it doesn't work. It's not real. So they put a signal out to the universe. The universe says, okay, for you to be happy, you need to suffer to be wealthy. Okay, because otherwise, you're not going to believe it. I'll generate suffering for you. This person will suffer for years. I always say, I never am friends with somebody who has drama in their life. Why? Because there's some belief system they have that drama's good. There's some belief system where desire they have that they need drama. Now, they'll always tell you, I don't like drama. I don't want drama. But why are they always attracting it? Why are they always tripping at the finish line of every project they have? Because they get more pleasure out of failing and having everyone feel bad for them than they do in completing the project. There are some people who are just successful and everything they do, and there's some people who every time they try something, they fail. The pattern is a result of something happening energetically inside of them. And what is that energy? It's they have subconscious desires and beliefs that are limited, that they are not aware of, and they're asking for this to come. I'll give you another example. I'm talking to a group of women, all of which were in their late 30s. Each one was very successful in their life, and each one was single. And we were doing a little relationship course. And they said to me, we all want to find our man. How come we can't find where, and these are beautiful, strong, intelligent, hard-working, successful women? Anything that they do in the business world? They accomplish. But what relationships, for some reason, all of them, doesn't work out. Either the guy leaves them, leaves the guy, doesn't matter. What did we realize? Outwardly, they're telling everybody I desire a soulmate. But subconsciously, there's another desire that nobody knows about. Or a belief, they have a belief that being in a relationship will limit them. They have a belief that being in a relationship is gonna hold them back in their career. They have a belief that being in a relationship means that they're now gonna be controlled. And they don't want that. So what happens is they go on these great dates, they meet some guy they like, but after three, four or five dates, that subconscious belief comes up and says sabotage is immediately, because if you continue, and you stay in this relationship, you will be limited, you will be controlled, and you won't be successful anymore. So then they find the way to sabotage it. And there we are. And that cycle continues again and again and again. So what's the issue here? This woman I told her, I want you every day to say outlaw to the universe, relationships are expanding, not limiting. Relationships bring me more wealth, not less. She has to rewire her programming, her desires that she brought from past life for whatever that are limited. And by just rewiring that energy, she's now expanding her vessel to be able to receive the soulmate and the wealth and everything. Our life, everything we see is a product of our belief system. If you believe a relationship is going to limit you, you are pushing every relationship away. I asked them, my last seminar in Miami, I had 400 people there, 80% of them are women. I asked this woman who's trying to get married. I said, men are, finished a sentence for me. And she said, men are not to be trusted. Next woman, men are pieces of shit. Men are people who betray me. They believe that men are these. And I asked another, what do you think? And she said, men are amazing. Her dating life was amazing. She said men are so attracted to me. Physically, they all kind of look the same. But this one kept getting dates because she believes that men are amazing. So every time a man comes into her energy sphere, he feels amazing because she believes men are amazing. This one that says men are not to be trusted. She kept attracting men who weren't trustworthy because that's her vibration. See, whatever we believe is granted to us. That is our reality. And why I love about this, know thyself. People to know yourself is to know your conscious and unconscious desires. To know your conscious and unconscious beliefs. People don't realize, myself included, how many unlimited beliefs we have that are causing us not to have a woman. One last thing I'll tell you, majority of my life, I was broke, like didn't have a penny. Because I believed my early 20s, I used to teach this wisdom in Hollywood. It was big in Hollywood. So I would go to celebrity's homes and even with these celebrities, where I was so disconnected from them. But I would go to these homes and I would teach. They were famous, they were wealthy, they had everything. But one thing I noticed all the time is, they were all miserable. And their kids always had problems. So I built a belief system that the more money and fame you have, the more miserable you become and more messed up your children. This was a subconscious belief system. So my whole life, I avoided two things. To be on social media, so I'm 42, I'm almost 42. I only started to be on Instagram 18 months ago. I had no social media for my whole life. Even though I'm teaching this wisdom, I wanted to never have fame or never be known. And I said, I don't want to be paid for anything. So I always had $1,000 in my bank account. Pretty much all the way up to my mid 30s. Because I believe you can't have wealth and be spiritual. You can't have wealth and have a great family. And then I realized one day, wait, that's a limited belief. I said, you can be wealthy and spiritual. You can be wealthy and have great children. And from that moment, the energy shifted and everything came. So that's like a personal example in my life, where my own limitations were just blocking me for decades. And we all have them. We all created some kind of belief system in our minds about so many of the things. That's why I love this name. - Yeah, thanks, dude. Yeah, I resonate with a lot of what you shared. And I think it's like when the flower blossom, the bees will come. There is an inherent magnetic quality to being whole and recognizing that state within yourself. The Buddhist understanding is that there's sort of four types of people. There's the individuals who are moving from darkness to darkness, darkness to light, light to darkness, and light to light. We probably all know individuals that for whatever reason they come from a background of addiction or trauma, but they reformed themselves and they're moving towards that sense of wholeness. - So someone's always on one of those four parts. - Every single person. - Yep. - That energy is always in motion. And so you're moving more towards wholeness and you're coming from wholeness or one of the other. - And what it's like to light what's an example of that? - Meaning you've recognized the source of your self. You could say the light of the creator, you have a connection with yourself, not you just a belief in wholeness, but an experience of wholeness. And you recognize that from that place of overflow, you want to give, you want to serve, you don't want to take the fruits of your recognition and labor and just turn it inwards and service the self. - Did you take it to another level of manifesting and giving out that word? Beautiful. - Yeah, I think we agree on a lot of this and there's just like slightly different language, like by focusing on the root, you can then you'll get the fruit. A lot of people want to have the fruit, the result, the relationship, the success, right? But the focusing on the light that sort of bifurcates into all the different colors is the same analogy, focusing on the root and the environment where the seed is nurtured and then blooms and to bear the many fruits, whatever it might be, which is always, I feel like life always has a greater plan of what those fruits are than our own preconceived notions, which are always informed by family or society and culture, which is inherently limiting. And so I'm sure in your experience, it sounds like when you've shared your story, you've been very surprised by what's come in. It was greater than you could have imagined by focusing on the root and the source first. - 100%, you said something powerful earlier, you say a lot of people just believe, everything happens for a reason. And I think a lot of people do believe that, but they stop there often instead of saying, well, let's understand what that reason is so that it never happens again. So that's where this wisdom takes it to another level. Okay, something happens for a reason. Let's understand now. - I also was referring to that, but I don't actually, I believe that most people like, everything happens for a reason when you give it a reason. And that the meaning that we are placing to various events are largely self-induced. - So then in that case, what should we be doing? What is the direction you would give someone when something happens in their life? - Like for just random challenges, you say. - Someone comes to you with a challenge. Has someone recently come to you with a difficult challenge that they went to in their lives, maybe a friend or someone in your community? - Yeah, can we talk about it? - For sure. - Make it practical, yeah. - Sure, sure. Yeah, well, I would say that. - You don't have a challenge. - But let's say, we could be a challenge then. - We could pull up a random example, but I would say that, depending on who the person are, and I'm curious, because there's probably, you notice an archetype of people that are attracted to your work and people, I'm sure you see similar themes come up. And the context that you give for the challenges that come in their life are very helpful for certain people, for certain other people, they might need a different path or a different language to have a sense of meaning for why the things that are happening are happening. And so, I'm sure, yeah, I'm happy to go into an example. - Did you have one? - Of somebody coming to me with a challenge? - I've also, I mean, you know your audience better. I've always learned that we talk on a very high level, energetically, and in the moment we bring down to an example that people like, wait, I really relate to that, or I can really now connect and understand what, what both of them said. That's why I'm asking, 'cause it also helps me, because you're saying powerful things, and I want to be able to understand it in a particular way. So someone has come to you and with a problem. And obviously they're looking for help, energy, support, someone that maybe you love or you care about. I'm curious how you walk them through that challenge. - In a roundabout way, like if somebody has come to me recently with like a relationship struggle where they seem to keep meeting the pattern that is a reflection of the beliefs they have in themselves about like what you said, like what men are or why nothing concrete seems to stay in their life. I find this important balance of acknowledging somebody's reality and having empathy for their human emotional experience and landscape. And also as they're ready to like hear what could be the potential projections that we are placing on our external relationships that are a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy, which these beliefs like you mentioned very much so are, like we will continue to meet in reality the things we have resistance to internally. And so we're gonna be met with experiences that show us and reveal to us where we have resistance to what is. - So someone comes to you and I love that you said this first thing you do is really create that safe space for them to empathize with their situation, help them be seen and heard. Like that's the most important thing, which by the way I couldn't agree with more instead of jumping into a solution or trying to like fix their problem just building that connection. And then you're saying that right after that you will help them see their own limiting beliefs that have been attracting the similar relationships over and over again. - If it calls for it in the moment and I can provide some sort of reflection that's supportive in that context, I will. I also think that we have which is sort of contrast a bit with the sort of understanding that certainty is more in the direction of the light of the creator. I think that life is inherently uncertain and that our need for knowing what's gonna happen in the certainty of what's gonna happen, my relationships are in my life externally, limits us quite drastically. So I definitely don't try to come saying I know all the answers or know what's gonna happen. And like finding ease in that sense of wholeness and like trust that things are unfolding in a greater way that we can currently pinpoint and connect the dots to. I think it's certainly at least just been helpful in my own journey, you know, where I want to know or have a certain level of success or an outcome that's desired. But things are-- - What would that be for you, if I could ask? - I mean, from when I first started certain like more business-focused things of a certain level of results of outcome or finances to-- - Listen, especially with this, to bring this wisdom, this energy, this platform out to the world. - Yeah, would have you set goals like that already? - What I've used to set a lot of goals and you know, we have some like loosely kind of like, we have it an ideal for what we wanna do this year in terms of viewership. But we become so process-oriented and realize that by focusing on what the systems are and the root of the operation and the level of conversation, like all everything else in the results stem from doing the foundational things very well. So I mean, it kind of goes hand in hand with our own internal life from the physiological to the psychological and emotional lens by like taking care of the foundation of our internal experience. Then a lot of these heightened experiences can come to us. - Well, if it's okay that I may ask because I'm always thinking the viewer is listening and I think they're very curious. I'm not sure if you've ever spoken about it on the show but I'm sure everyone's thinking, what is it that you do to manifest success? Do you set goals? Do you set small goals but then mainly focus on some of the foundational concepts? Do you approach it more spiritually? Do you approach it more physically? And I'm curious, I don't know if anyone's ever asked you but let's say you have a goal for viewership. And is there a number for example? Have you thought of a number of souls you want to reach for people you want to reach? - I think that for this year we'll probably do around like five million viewers per month. - Five million viewers per month. - Yeah, that's like, I feel like that's probably with everything we're doing. Like that's a goal we have internally as a team. - Okay, beautiful. And when you set that as a goal, then working backwards, what are you doing both physically and spiritually? And this is a masterclass in just manifestation of business which I think is really fascinating. I always love learning how other people do it. What do you do and how do you bring that to your team, to yourself, how do you live your life to make sure that you manifest that goal? - So I will just with one caveat is that I think that oftentimes I and others can fall into the tendency to give advice for the current stage of life that we're at that maybe other people aren't at. I've did different things on the journey up coming to where I am. I'm sure you did. But there are, I feel like, and we probably both agree there are fundamental principles that support you no matter where you are. - No matter where you're on the journey. - Yeah. So physically and then I want to get back to you. - Sure, I'm sorry, I feel that I'm genuinely curious. I'm sure the audience will see if you've ever talked about it. - Yeah. The physical stuff is quite boring and is quite practical in terms of how to create a world class team and culture that binds it to how to distinguish it. - I think that's boring at all. I think that's very important. - You can focus on talent. - Yeah, for sure. You know how to attract talent. Do you see it? Do you see it right away? Some people are just notorious picking people who seem good on paper and that end up being really bad. What's your way of choosing talent? - It's such an intuitive process, man. I don't know if I can say there is a level of attunement to what the actual goal is in being aligned on that and like having an energetic kind of just resonance there. - Yeah. - You know, I've just done like a dozen interviews with people for a position on the podcast this past week. And you can have the technical capacities and the skills without that and it's meaningless and vice versa. You want somebody to, you know, be a real ninja when it comes to being detail oriented and all those things. - You're the best founders. Always the number one skill set was intuitively knowing who to hire, even if the resumes made no sense. And for me, it was always, even if I had somebody with an amazing resume, if my nervous system was off when I was around them, I knew that was the universe telling me, "Looks good, but it won't be." And I've always kind of followed that, which I love that you say that because that is probably one of the most powerful, most important skills to have as a founder is to know how to choose talent and to trust in your intuition when you pick them. - Yeah, yeah, from the, I mean, the physical one in the quote unquote spiritual, I think coincide quite nicely because like for me, I've just seen direction as way more important than speed. So by seeing clearly what it is I want, what wants to come through me is the direction that's going to be serving this planet and this community the most, then from that point, I can make decisions from a place of clarity instead of sheds. You know, like I should do X, Y and Z numbers because everyone, like there's just a chart. And once you're on a chart, you want to be better on the chart. You know, it's like it's sort of goals, devoid of anything that's really going to be really meaningful. - So you're very clear about your desires and you make sure to communicate that properly to your team. - Increasingly more. I think that's the trick for at least for me. - I couldn't agree more. - Yeah, that's so good. I've also noticed, 'cause when I do business kitchen with people and they're telling me they want to do this within the first 15 minutes, I'm like, you're spoken for 15 minutes and I have no clue what you want. People are not clear about what they want. They say general things like 'cause I want this, but they're not truly clear. And if you're not clear what you want, the universe is very confused about what you want. Like the creator can't give you something or these guides you towards it. If you are not clear about what you want, and if you can't convey that to your team, then your team is confused. They're just coming in, they're just kind of working. And something else I've learned when building great culture, the number one thing that keeps it an employee or to keep someone on your team is when they are clear about the mission that they are fighting for. They're not there for the paycheck. They're not there for the perks of being there. They get energy when you are clear about your path in mission and that they are working towards that, which is what you just said and I love that. It's cool to see how business is unique mirror and very much so like a spiritual path, I feel like, because you mentioned how you had this belief of money is a root of all evil, which people, if you're gonna have any level of fame, notoriety, or wealth, you're kind of destined to be a shitty person because it's so prevalent and maybe what you were seeing. But like actually viewing business and cultivating a team and environment as the many opportunities they are to put into practice the values that you say you are true and aligned for you is cool. And so it seems like that's been a constant theme for you as you've been growing Mary Ruth and. - Yeah, and I remember giving a seminar in Toronto and by a few hundred people there and I noticed that cohort of people that audience, a lot of them were like physicians or coaches or people teaching spirituality. Like these are like service providers. People who want to like do good and the main limited belief they all had was we shouldn't make money or charge a lot for helping people. And so what happened was they were having these businesses that they couldn't scale. They weren't reaching the people they wanted to reach because you know, they were charging maybe 50 bucks for their time in an hour or a hundred bucks or they didn't want to charge too much or giving constantly their time away for free, which I totally understand. So their belief system is it is not spiritual. If I charge to help people. So how could I ever do that? When in reality, if they run a successful business that is profitable, they will be able to reach more people. They will be able to employ more people and they will also not have to be beholden to investors and banks and other people who then start to control the energy of your company. What I owe Mary Ruth and I always said, you know, profit is freedom. And when we start to have investors who control us so they're agenda energetically is coming down to the business. Every single person listening, you should be as profitable as possible because that is the way you can give the most to everyone and not be the effect of other people's energy when you start to need their money because needing other people's money, then you lose your power. You always will lose your power. You have to do what they want you to do or those are going to be fights or confusions and so on and so forth. How do you, when people come to you and they want to create an abundant reality? Not just from the financial perspective, but from a sense of wholeness where you can see that reflection in all areas of life and they feel they have these intuitive hits, these desires for what they want to create. What is your perspective on the place that desire holds in our life? Because I think traditionally it's seen as something from like a lot of the contemplative or spiritual practices is something to be transcended instead of honored, you know. Yeah, the stages actually say that desire is the most powerful quality you have. It's actually the only quality we have. So while some people are saying you should not have a desire, you should actually have the greatest desire possible because that expands your vessel to be able to receive the totality, reveal the totality of the creator in this world. And when the light of the creator is revealed, then we have peace in the world. We have darkness goes away. So you don't want to shrink your desire. You actually want to expand it to desire everything. The problem with ego, the problem with taking things personally, the problem with being reactive is that you're thinking very small. When you're sitting there focused on why is this person liking me or where is this validation I should have, you're just a very small desire. You want one person to like you. Why do you expand your desire to have a billion people like you? And you know, so some people think, well, being the president of a country is like a really big thing you can work for. Being the president of the United States, you can be so powerful. What about being the president of the universe? Like controlling all of the forces in this world. And the way you do that is by elevating yourself to become like the creator. Then you control this whole world. Being the president of a country is actually thinking very small. Getting offended by something and dwelling on that and how what they said and how they hurt you, just thinking so small. I just want my little desire to be like somebody comes to fill it, please tell me that it's so limited. So expand your desire. The only reason you're upset right now is because you're not expanding your desire. You're so focused on something so small. Think really big picture. Like you're meant for something so great. And when you do that, when you expand and think really big picture, then this painful thing you're going through and you realize it's not even a big deal anymore. It's like so stupid. So that's one thing about desire that is just so important. Do not diminish your desire. And don't let pain make you shrink and think smaller. In fact, you should double down and thinking even bigger than ever before. You reminded me of something. You know Warren Buffett said something that I actually found to be very spiritual. He said, if you take all the money of the world and then take it from everyone and then distribute it equally to every single person. So eight billion people, each person has the same amount of money. There's no doubt that within 10 years, all the money would go back to where it first came from. Which means that it's not the money. Each person represents a vessel, a desire. The person was a billion as a greater desire than the person who has $10. And so everyone will receive according to what their desire is. The spiritual work is to purify those desires and look for the limitations in those desires. And again, being angry, for example, being an angry person or a controlling person just means you have a small desire. So I don't tell people transform your anger to be a good person or a spiritual or a religious person or even a balanced person. Transform your desire because it's making, it's clogging your vessels, making you really small. Like there's no energy can't go into a person who's angry. Energy can't go into a person who's controlling. The reason why when people let go and they surrender like they see miracles is because letting go is the expansion of the desire. You're so fixated, I ain't got to happen. This relationship's got to happen, this deal's got to happen. I'm so fixated, fixated. Let it go. And then it comes. Because when you let go, now you create a space for energy to come in. So that's something else. Like people who are listening, if something you're trying so hard to manifest something, probably it's time now to like let it go. Don't let go of your desire. Let go of needing it to happen a certain way or through that person had this girl that she was so fixated on her breakup. She said, "He's my soulmate, he's my soulmate." And I saw me like, she was just trying to get him back constantly. Now finally she let it go. Most amazing things came. But we're so fixated like we know that's mine. This person's mine, or that business is mine, or that home is mine, maybe not. Maybe you think it is, but it just wants to keep something so much bigger. - Yeah, it almost feels like the desires for what we think we want are, it's like the motivating force to reveal what's really meant for us. Because like if we were going to, I use this analogy quite a bit of like driving from here to let's say New York at nighttime, you can't see the full distance of across the full way. But your headlights illuminate the next 100, 200 feet ahead of you, right? And you see more as you go further, you see further. Now as you're like on that journey of what I feel like is the recognition of your wholeness of seeing that manifest externally. There are like a few sort of guardrails that really support, which I've heard you refer to as the evil eye. Just things that become subconscious constraints, one is like the need for approval, which we sort of talk to. Another one is like gossip and unnecessarily sharing something when it's in its early stages. - Yeah. - So I would love to just get your perspective on what are a couple of those predominant things we should focus on to protect the thing as it's growing. That's a great point. The seed level of something is always the most fragile, right? And we affect each other energetically all the time. For example, if someone is making you pizza and they hate you and they're meditating that this pizza, putting all this negative energy in the pizza and they're hoping that you suffer by eating this pizza, and it's the same pizza. Same pizza, anybody else would make. Do you feel comfortable eating that pizza versus if your mom made you a pizza and with so much love and energy? Would you feel as comfortable eating both? No one's gonna feel comfortable or at least not the same level of comfort, eating the pizza, someone who meditated and energetically hope that you die or hope that you suffer. So in life, every time someone is wishing for you to suffer or hoping that you suffer, they are in certain ways kind of breaking down your protective shield of energy that you have around you, like your aura. And they're creating holes for spiritual physical viruses to get in. Now, the way you make yourself immune to this is you can only be affected by someone's jealousy and evil eye when you're needy of something from them. If you depend on them or you need something from them, now their energy can affect you. But if you don't need them for anything, then their energy can't affect you. And I'll give you an example. Like if I'm giving a seminar and I go out into the audience and I'm trying to give a topic that I think is very helpful, if I need my audience to like me, approve of me, if I need them for my sustenance, like, oh God, they bought a ticket to my seminar and now I have more money, now I can live a better life. Like as soon as I become needy of them, I'm now the effect of them. I'm now dependent on their energy, which means that they have the ability to penetrate my energy. The secret of life is to only be needy where dependent on the light of the creator. Now the light of the creator might get other people to give you money, to give you things, but it's not those people. So if one person doesn't like you, that's okay. If they like you, it's okay too. It's good either way. It's not about you and it's not about them. When you, and so jealous you need light, is a real thing when someone wants you to suffer and fall. That's an energetic intelligence that's being transferred. The same way that we want people to pray for us when we're sick, they can do the opposite to us to make us sick, if they really want, but only if you create that opening for them. You create that opening by you need them. I need you to like me, I need you to approve from me. Look at me. Like if you post something and you want everybody to look at what you're doing and see how successful you are or how good looking you are, how beautiful you are, you want them to see? You're now creating an opening in your aura for them to come in and take also. So show your beauty, show your what's fine, but don't ever do it with the intention of trying to get them to like you. If you want it to inspire, that's different, right? 'Cause I know a lot of people will hide everything 'cause they're so scared. No, I don't talk about it much, but I think it's important that people know that we're successful because people will be inspired by success, but if I'm using any of my success to get you to like me or respect me for me, then I'm creating a vulnerability on a soul level. I try to avoid telling anybody about things I'm working on at the very beginning. There's always something always goes wrong for some reason. It's always some kind of sabotage. Other energy is starting influencing it. Just keep it protected, like a seed planted in the ground and we can seal it and then the tree can bloom. But if you keep uncovering the seed and showing it to the public, the seed's not gonna grow. It's always like that. - It seems like it's a similar energy in terms of gossip or speaking in a way that is about bringing about negativity in some form. What are your thoughts on the negativity that perpetuates from gossip? - There's no doubt. Do we speak about an average of 16,000 words a day? Every word, the sage of say, creates an energy intelligence, like an angel. Positive or negative? Positive means it will elevate you to closer place of happiness, fulfillment, positivity, whatever. A negative force means it will lower you. So anxiety, stress, fear, and that's all can be induced by these words. If I'm speaking badly about somebody and there's about 10 categories of people's speech. So for example, one category is, I say something about you to ruin your character. Another one is lying, another one is complaining. Another one is any words that I say to get someone's approval, like a brown-nosing type thing. And so there's 10 categories. Every time we use words that fall into those 10 categories, we create a negative force or negative angel. That then causes this vibration of negativity both in us and in other people. So when people around us, they feel drained. People around us, they feel like something's wrong. When they're around us, they don't feel like they want to be around us. They can't even explain it. And for ourselves, when a person has a lot of stress, a lot of anxiety, a lot of fear, a lot of worry, it probably means they're using their words in the wrong way. And when people go on these liposina retreats when they don't talk for like a week, they always come back saying they're so elevated, they have psychic abilities, intuition, things, they're hearing things, seeing things, everybody. People aren't even spiritual. Why? 'Cause for one week, you finally stopped speaking a negative speech, which most of your days were probably 98% negative speech. Every time you put yourself down as negative speech, I think you say words that are limiting as negative speech. So it's endless. So when people don't speak for a week, they see miracles. So more conscious someone can be of, and we all fall for it. But the easiest path to miracles is to be so conscious of what you're saying. And also, I never trust someone who speaks badly about other people. Like, most likely they're gonna speak badly about you. If you go out in a date and they start speaking badly about their ex and how horrible their ex was, that's such a red flag because you know, at some point, most likely you're gonna be an ex, right? It doesn't mean that this relationship's gonna last forever. So they're gonna be speaking badly about you to the next guy or the next woman. So we inherently trust people who are very conscious of their words, and only say words to build. That's the litmus test. Are these words building or are they destroyed? And we don't see the whole picture anyway. So sometimes when we talk about somebody, we don't see their whole picture. We like, oh, he's such an asshole. He's such a jerk. He's always late. He's always just, we don't know why. We don't know why he was late or why he did this. We don't see the whole picture. And every time you judge someone, you end up having to go through it yourself. So let's say if you judge someone for being overweight, your metabolism slows down. If you judge someone for being in a chaotic relationship and you think you know everything about relationships, but they look at them, they're always fighting, you'll start fighting with your partner. Just what happened. The reason why the universe set it up that way is empathy. To get back to that oneness of consciousness and wholeness, we have to feel each other's pain and we have to have empathy. When you're judging someone, it's the opposite. So the universe has to put you through situations to break you so that you can feel the same pain as them. I've seen this so many times. People are always, oh, look at this person. They can't grow their business. It's so easy, just manifest that person next six months, their business will fall. They'll get hit with lawsuits. They'll go through issues and challenges. And they'll realize, wait, do you know what? It's not as easy as I thought. I shouldn't, and they're gonna realize now they can bond with the other person because they both are failing. Now there's unity. So be very careful by not seeing the negativity out of the people because then you're gonna have to go through it yourself. - What are some practices that have supported you and increasing your intuitive capacity in channel and prayer? So like, how do you think of intuition and prayer to help put more fuel on the fire, so to speak, of your. - That's a great question. - Now the most successful product that we have in our company today is one that came through prayer. So it's like a liquid hair growth product that we created to compete with at NutriFull years ago. But we're not a hair brand. We're a family brand or a kid's brand. And I was walking one day, this is what I do. Every day I try at least for 15 minutes to two hours. I'll walk, I'll listen to music, sometimes, sometimes on, and I'll talk out loud to the universe, talk out loud to the creator. 'Cause prayer is really words in any language out loud where you're talking to this energy force. The words create vessels that hold this energy. So I will talk to the creator. I'll talk to the universe as if I'm talking to you. I'll be like, tell me what I should do. Guide me to what's the best thing. What do I need to change about myself? How do I get more certainty in my life? How do I get more, whatever it is? Like I'm just talking in a way, asking questions, or weakening more desire to be able to hold the higher levels of energy. But one of the things I do is let's say I need to hire someone. How do I find this person? Show me, show me how to hire them. Where should bring them to me? I'll say those things out loud. My executive team today, 90% of them are people that I just prayed for, and they came randomly through LinkedIn, through friends, whatever. As opposed to having like headhunters, you know exactly what they're doing? I've noticed prayer, I attract the best type of people. So there was one year, I said, what do we do to grow the company because there needs to be more than just family? I just thinking out loud. I was just talking and praying and praying. And then this thought came to me that the night before I took neutrophils, I take a neutrophil for hair, and it was four capsules, and I choked on one of the capsules, and I was so frustrated by it. Like I hate taking capsules. That's why I have a liquid vitamin company. I said to myself, why don't I create a liquid hair growth? And it came so strongly, and I brought it to the board. I brought it to investors, everybody, and they're like horrible idea, we're not gonna do it. And everybody said no to it. And I just kept praying, and it kept coming so strong. So I went to Mary with Mary, it's like, I trust you. Move forward with it. Later, that became, you know, that became our number, that's the number one multivitamin actually nation wide now. That was two years ago. Multi-multi-nine figures, such as that one product. That came through prayer. And the logic, the stats, the smartest people in the room said no to it. But I've learned that when something comes from above so strongly, and especially if it comes through prayer, I will always follow through with it. And by the way, I say, guys, if it fails, it fails. But I cannot not listen to this voice. And whenever you do listen to the voice, even if it doesn't always work out the way you want, you strengthen your intuition more. Never be afraid to try things out. Everyone I've ever interviewed or spoken to has been very successful. They always say the one thing when I asked them, what do you regret most about life? They all said the same, they all, they all mentioned this, said, I wish I would have tried more things and failed more. Everyone is so scared of trying things and failing and being humiliated or losing money, whatever it is. No one ever died or went broke or lost their reputation by trying something, especially when the intention was right, especially if it came through a spiritual means like prayer. What does Kabbalah say about self-doubt on that journey as maybe you have sources of inspiration, you have intuitive hits, you feel called to create in this life and you doubt yourself in your ability to do so? I give a course on, it's called limitless abundance, a prosperity course, and it's about five principles of generating wealth through spiritual laws. One of them, I tell people, is when you hear a message, about something that is, you feel a good idea, it can be about anything. You should manifest as much of it as possible, ideally at least 80% of it within 24 hours. So for example, when I get an idea about, let's say, a product, I'm like, well, this could be a great idea. I will stop everything I'm doing and try to do as much as possible within those first 24 hours to push it forward because the universe is giving you inspiration, giving you light, you have the creative vessel for it. A lot of times we get these ideas, what not, and then we go, well, I'll get to it later. Or it's just not the right time, whatever it is. And then the vessel dissolves. Time goes by, we forget about it. I am trying to tell the universe, I respect when you give me vision. And I respect it so much, I'm going to take it seriously right now. It's like a great person is coming into town. And by you hosting them, it's like you're showing them respect and the next time they come back, they're going to want to come back more and stay with you more. And they're like, wow, this person really appreciates my presence. I think of that in the same way about inspiration. Every time I get inspiration, I try 80% to move it forward. And by the way, the whole thing might flop. When the guest comes into town, offer them a place to stay or offer them to come to dinner with you. And if they say no, but at least you offered. So I'm always showing the creator, I want to hear what you have to say. And I'm willing to implement. So I will just push it forward in every way I can have done that recently with a new product idea. I just got the manufacturer on the phone. I got my CO on the phone. I push, push, push. And they're like, well, no, we'll set up a meeting next week. I thought, no, I have 24 hours to get as much done as possible. Then I'm going to go to bed, but I did my work. So I got everybody down to the line. And I did in one hour, I would probably would have taken three weeks. That's my energy. 24 hour rule, momentum. Because there's a spiritual flywheel that kicks off when you start pushing things energetically. Was there any of the other five that you wanted to share? Another one of the five is your belief system about wealth. So a couple of years ago, I had a friend of mine who's wildly successful, billions of billions of dollars by the time he was in his 30s. And I had been a mentor him or a teacher to him a decade prior when he had no money, nothing. Through this wisdom, he became very successful. So he went on to walk with me. And he said, how's your company doing? He says, great. It's kind of revenue. And he said, what's your growth plan this year? I said, 15%, 20% growth, which is like a gold standard in our world to grow at that rate, especially at our size. And he said, why do you think you're so small? He's like, why can't you have 500% growth this year? Why can't you be a $10 billion company? And for 30 minutes, he just started talking to me like this. When the conversation was done, I felt so broken, so like small. And I realized that just by my spending time with him, I expanded my bullets system about what was possible. I came to the office, I talked to Maryeth. I'm like, why can't we do this? Like, what would it mean for us to do this? We just had a conversation. Then Gates opened, started attracting new types of employees, new partners, new ideas, and growth that year went to 80% from 15%. Because I started to meditate on 500% being possible, we were able to expand to 80%. And so what I tell people is, spend time with people who have unlimited beliefs. Spend time with people that you almost feel bad when you're around them, because they think so big. They think so unlimited. That it bothers you. It stresses you out. And they show you what's possible. Elon Musk thinks it's easy to colonize Mars. Everyone else would think that's the hardest idea, stupidest they would be talking about. I don't think he would think it's easy, but he thinks it's very possible. He thinks it's possible, for sure. Yeah. And he thinks it's as possible as we would for some kind of small project we want to do. But because he has this belief system, that no one else has, he creates a vessel where he draws the right souls to come to him. He actually, the sages say that because he believes in it so much, souls will be born to the world just to help him with it. And if you ever read his biography, when someone comes to him and says, well, it's not possible. The laws don't allow this and that, because he'll change the laws. He'll hire a whole legal team to go change the laws in the United States to make it possible, because he believes. And so so many people, I'm surrounded with so many people say, no, not possible this and that. My job is always to say, well, what if it was possible? What if? And every time we think that way, it's incredible the types of miracles that happen. Expansion, expansion, expansion. What's one spiritual law? You think people violate daily that they're not aware of? That you are already whole inside of yourself. And there's nothing that you need from anyone else to create that wholeness. You should never leave your house thinking that you need something. The moment you do that, you're the effect and not the cause. First, know that you already have all the wealth. You already have all the love. You already have all the healing. You already have all the wisdom. And now you're going out into the world to share, to impart and to create. You're not going to work because you need a paycheck. You're not going on an date because you need a relationship. You're not going out with your friends because you need to blow some steam off and have a good time. You're just going to give. You got to know when to leave the party. So always that moment in a party where you start becoming needy or you start taking from the people. That is the moment you leave. And it's usually the high point of the party. I've always learned as soon as I start to need something or be needy of someone, I'm exiting the room. Because at that moment, I'm going to be disconnecting from miracles. What's one perspective or belief or understanding about these teachings that you've changed your mind on the past few years? That the way to grow is to be hard on yourself. I've learned that shame and guilt actually do the opposite. You never can grow by shaming yourself or shaming others. So a premise of my platform is never to make anyone feel bad about anything they've done or anything they could do. Re-framing everything as you're on a journey. You pick a fruit before it's ripe. It's going to taste bitter, but not because the fruit is intrinsically bad, but because you ate from it a bit too soon, allow it to be ripe. Each one of us is on a process to be ripe. Does it mean we're bad? Does it mean we're doing anything wrong? And never make people feel bad. Don't make your children feel bad. Don't make your friends feel bad. Don't make your audience feel bad. Don't shame. If you have a platform, don't shame the people in the way they eat, in the way they think, in the way they feel. A big part of my platform is all about uniting all religions and all paths. And never showing that one is better than the other. Every soul came to this world. The creator put them in that religion because that's exactly religion their soul needs. It's not about everyone coming to my side or their side. The wisdom of Kabbalah's main purpose is to awaken the spiritual aspect of every religion in this world and every philosophy. It's something that awakens like the depth of whatever they're learning. Majority of my following is actually Hindu, Muslim, India is actually my second biggest country of people who follow. Like the biggest celebrities in India follow and they share this content because it's about understanding that where you were born and how you were created is exactly what the creator wants you to be. You should never have any shame about that. Even if a person's born gay or they're born with different types of desires that they feel ashamed of, they say just say you're born exactly that way. It's perfect for your soul. You have to try to change someone. I don't want anyone to change. It's about awakening people's understanding of how powerful they are. And with that, the light will guide them. Like you said, the headlights are on at that point. When you believe in someone, you turn on their headlights. They're going to see the next hundred feet. And then they're going to know what to do. My, our job, I feel, is just make sure they always turn the headlights on. I have no idea where they're meant to go. I have no idea where they're meant to be with. I have no idea what religion is just study. I have no idea what country they should be. But if we can awaken them to turn on their headlights, then they'll be guided in the right path. Was there something recently that in the past few years shifted that realization for you in terms of shame for your guilt as a motivating fuel source? Yeah, what was that? I've been teaching this wisdom now since I was 18. So about 24 years, my platform is just pie 20 to 30 million people a month. I've reached more people in one year than I did in the entire 20 years before. And that was right when I shifted my consciousness around it. Shaming guilt are a way to scare people into something you think they should be. And that whole premise is wrong. Don't get me wrong. Hundreds of thousands of people benefited from this. But what I learned was even more powerful was people were seeing miracles quicker and they were sharing this wisdom more and connecting in a deeper way when I shifted from a, here's what's wrong with you to, here's what's right with you. I want you to focus on that. That came up in like personal relationships, business. Yeah, yeah. Then realized how hard I was being on myself. And then I was attracting people who were hard on me. And then I was wondering why is everyone so critical of me and so judgmental? It's because I learned to enjoy suffering. So I thought spirituality means suffering. I thought if people judge you, that's how you get cons of your negativity. And then I realized people were exhausted from this. Everyone's getting shamed on the internet. Everyone's having a finger pointing at them, saying you're eating wrong, you're thinking wrong, you're praying wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. And everyone just feels bad and they go, "Okay, I'll try it your way." And I realized, well, it's like when you have a great coach who believes in you when you're a team, studies show that those are the kids who become the most successful in life. When they have somebody who believes in them, because that coach is awakening the soul of the child and the soul of the child will guide them to the whole life. So I just learned that I had some of the greatest mentors in my life and what did they do? They gave me the freedom to be me. They didn't control me. And they just kept saying this is how good it can be. If you change your negativity, if you decide to, and if you don't, you're great the way you are. And I was like so inspired by that. So I'm like, that's what I want other people to feel. That's how it happened. - Thank you for sharing. - Thank you. From your understanding of the origins of the couple, the couple ofistic origins, where does it go back to and what specific texts are you referring to and when you refer to these stages and this wisdom? - The person who is most notable for this wisdom goes back to Abraham. So Abraham had two sons and one of them was Isaac and his other son, Ishmael, went to the East. And so a lot of the Eastern philosophies and religions that we have were source from Abraham and a lot of what Isaac then brought, which became Judaism and Christianity and Catholicism and so on and so forth came from that other part of the lineage. But all of this came from an original source. And thousands of years ago, they didn't have religion, you know, when you think of Moses, if you said, are you Jewish, you wouldn't even know what that means. So we're Jewish, didn't even exist back then. These were souls that came to this world to bring down different channels of spiritual wisdom. The Kabbalah is meant to be the energetic understanding of this spirituality. So you're kind of learning the blueprint of spirituality when you're learning Kabbalah. So when you take this blueprint, for example, when I give a seminar at a church, about 10 years ago in the Catholic church, an 80-year-old woman comes up to me at the end and said, you know, for 80 years I've been Catholic, coming to church every week. This is the first time I understand this God that I'm praying to. She understood his energy now. She understood her soul as a vessel to receive that energy. So all the teachings started to have a new meaning to her. She loved it even more deeply now being Catholic. When I've been teaching at mosques, when I'm teaching all around with every religion, it's like, wow, now I understand my religion more. So Abraham would be the first source, but it says that that wisdom even existed beforehand. But he was the first to want to bring it to the world. Moses then brought it down on Mount Sinai. He brought down four levels of wisdom. The most notable one we all know is the Bible, the Old Testament, but that's the first level he brought. The fourth level, which is the deepest level, it's called Kabbalah. And that was passed down early for thousands of years. Until 2000 years ago, it was finally written down in a text, and that text is the Zohar. The Zohar is the main text that's explaining the wisdom of Kabbalah. And great stages came after that to decartify it more and more and more. And everything I'm teaching is just how to take that original spirituality and make it very practical for people. But the truth is, I've heard so many of your shows. I've, you look at, Dr. Joseph spends a day. You think what you see what Tony Robbins is doing. You see what Eckhart told us doing. All of those secrets and that wisdom are parts of this wisdom. And so everyone is teaching the truth, teaching different parts of it, and bringing it to the world in different practical ways and languages that other people can understand. Like you said before, everyone needs something different and a different vehicle by which to learn this wisdom. What are the particular archetypes or people that you seem to resonate with the way that you share these teachings? So many of them are people who have been on this path for a long time, and they say that when they learn Kabbalah and the wisdom of the sages, it's finally connecting all the dots. It's putting everything together in a system. That's what this wisdom does very well. It gives you the entire system and how it all works together. So even people who have become sober, they will eventually study Kabbalah because like the next part of their spiritual journey. People from all different religions or people who grew up religious but never connected to it who are kind of always told what to do or shamed. They pushed religion away. They started to learn Kabbalah and they're starting to see way to minute. There's something deeper, more spiritual here. A lot of people who are in the manifestation world because of my business background, half my audience is people who want to manifest wealth or prosperity or founders who want to grow and scale their companies. And so a big part of what I do is help them use spiritual concepts to manifest that greatest destiny very quickly. When I've given my prosperity seminar, it's like an eight-hour seminar, a given person. People literally say that within the next 24 hours or that week crazy things open up for them because they open up all the channels that have been blocking prosperity to come. Everyone works hard. It's not about how much time you put in your career. It's like arteries that are blocked for people. And so that's been a big part of my platform. What do you see next coming for you and like the next decade of your life? It seems like you've been really on a journey the past couple decades, sharing this wisdom, translating that into building your Mary Ruth. Yeah, so two things I focus on in my life. Mary Ruth, which is, I feel blessed that it's a vehicle by which financially I'm taking care of. And that allows me to have my platform in a way where I can just focus on bringing this wisdom out to as many people as possible. So I had goals. I said within three years, I need to have a billion people who have at least heard 60 seconds of my content. And a hundred million people who have heard at least 20 minutes of this content. And I've created master classes. I've created David AI, which is now the biggest AI coaching platform in the world. The answer is about 200,000 questions a day. Spiritual questions about life. Medifestation, whatever it is. It's been trained off of like 20 years of my content and highly invested in that. And these are my goals just for three years. So I've taken a structural approach how I would in a business and a company to see these are the metrics we want to hit. But these are the amount of souls then we would impact. The big thing for me is I don't want to use my platform for myself financially. So all the money that comes to my platform gets reinvested into bringing this out to the world. And majority of my content is just pay what you felt what you want to pay. So I let people pay whatever they want. Pay a dollar, pay a hundred dollars. It's a community that kind of supports each other. Those who can afford more, pay more. Those who can't because I have a lot of people who can't afford anything. They pay a dollar. And that's what's causing this wisdom to really go out there in a really big way. So those are coming to just my short-term goals. So yeah, we'll link down below where people can stay connected with you in your work. With the full context of this entire conversation, is there anything else on your heart that you feel like would be important to share and part on our audience? You know what comes to me? Like I just thought to myself, this is the hundred and eight-year episode that you had. How many people have been impacted and affected by your work? Probably been in the most difficult times in their life. Or maybe the algorithm just showed your face to them and they felt the energy and they started to listen. Something opened up for them. I think of people like ourselves that we have a voice or audience in a platform. Creator gave each one of us a very unique skill set or talent or ability to reach the souls in this world. And I kind of see a vision how we're all working together in certain ways. There's actually no competition. It's all an illusion. Everyone is getting inspired in different ways and being moved energetically to other people's platforms, other people's ways, and I love that. I love when people leave my platform and they tell me they went to this retreat of this person and that retreat because their souls are being awakened. I also love when people copy my content or someone sent me this a real reason. I said, "Look, they copied exactly what you said." I said, "Can you imagine if I have a million people copying exactly what I said, how quickly we're going to be able to change this world?" I encourage people to copy all of it. I just had this thought, I don't know why I'm sharing it, but you should never be afraid from people taking something from you that you think is yours because no one can take what's yours. And the more you let go and surrender, let energy flow through you, the creator will just give you endless. So don't hold on thinking that now you're going to be better than or you're going to be more powerful than or this thing is yours because then you become a swamp. When you hold onto something, they become stale. When you let it go, it's like a river. That's why our rivers are freshwater because we're always moving. So we need to hold onto something so that's the stink. So that's the go-run. And so we should all just learn to let go and support each other and not be afraid. But it's been a pleasure to connect. I know we've been in each other's orbit for a little bit, so it's cool to have you in here. And I know some people have been requesting to have you on, so I'm glad our community gets to hear from you. This in the setting. Thank you. My community, my friends. My team has been following you and they're close to you and they've only heard the most amazing things. So it's really a privilege to be on the show with you. Thank you, man. I appreciate you. And yeah, looking forward to just connecting more offline, dude. I appreciate you thinking about coming on today. Everybody's been tuning into this episode. Let us know in which ways it's resonated with you. Until next time, be well. We did it. Thank you. It was great. Thank you, dude.