E130 - Everything You Need To Know About Peptides For Fat Loss, Muscle & Longevity

It's not the peptide, it's the individual. I think the worst things I've seen personally, I've got a lot of horror stories and doctors and what have you, but from Clites, I work with. He's a functional medicine coach, they're a puted nutritionist, and a peptide therapy specialist, Dean Henry. I work with healthy people to make my healthier, longevity, anti-aging, prevention, but I help people understand more about peptides and the education that I'd learn for them to go on as a guide. Peptides are made of these 20 amino acids that are found in the body essential and non-essential. They're sequenced in different ways, have a different objective or target area. We see a real safety profile with peptides, then you get these people, these doctors, or whatever social media, trying to monetize from peptides, I say, "Well, these have got popular." And then some of the proteicols I'm seeing from them, really, really worrying. I'm the typical guy who's going to the gym. I want to improve my body composition, I want to have my energy feel better, look better. Very popular proteicol is. What are the red flags and things that you should be aware of when people are talking about peptides? There's a few variations that I think, firstly. Quick pause, guys, I need to tell you something. It's that time of the year where everyone's on the winter arc hype where they're building their physique, which they plan to reveal at some point in the summer of 2026, but I hate to be the guy that says it, "Most of you are going to end up getting fat. You'll be overeating, you'll be following some sort of a program which isn't actually going to be getting your results. You're going to be improvising on the spot, no doubt. You won't be tracking there will be no structure, just random exercises with minimal progress seen on a week to week basis. Pretty for straighten, right? Well, that's the whole reason why I built the first app to help busy people like yourself find a system they can actually stick to over a long period of time. We have thousands of transformations from men and women who just plug into the app and get the exact plan they need for their goals, show up to the gym, and just put in the work. All for less than an hour of their time. When you get access to over hundreds of programs and hundreds of different meal plans, everything which you could possibly need to get yourself in shape. So if you actually want to stick to something and see results without taking things to the absolute extremities, click the link in the bio. What's going on with the video? What's up guys and welcome back to First Things First. We have the peptide expert, Dean Henry, in the building today, how you doing? Very good, Mike. Thank you for having me. Lovely view. Yes, yes. I'm looking forward to this. I mean, obviously peptides have been all the rave recently, like the past couple of years, and particularly the past year. Everybody's talking about it. Everybody's experimenting with it, but there's a lot of things which people need to be aware of and a lot of misinformation out there, which you've said obviously, is quite annoying for someone like you who's been in the game for a very long time. Yes, frustrating, as I say, I've been around this for 11 years now. And the great thing now is there is awareness. So good thing with awareness, everyone's jumping onto it. But of course, when something's popular, especially now with the rise of social media, there's some things definitely to watch out for for sure. Yeah. How did you get into this space? Really just from my background, I did some sport when I was younger, had some knee injuries. Decent levels, a sprinter, a footballer, snapped my ACL when I was 15, 16. And really, that just kept getting missed, diagnosed. It was shaving my cartilage instead of work on the ACL. I mean, I was 15 a long time ago, so it wasn't quite there with the advancement of medicine we are now. And it was just about regeneration. And I came across a podcast I think in 2015. They're talking about epitlone epithylone, which is anti-aging at a cellular level, showing that years of Russian data were showing that you could increase your telemetry length after seven years. So literally reversing aging at a cellular level was to get me that. So I jumped on that. And then from there, I've just been rabbit-holding and deep diving for 11 years. And experimenting with yourself? Lots of experience. Lots of self-experimentation. Yes. So let's go to the very basics of what a peptide is for those people who don't know. What is a very kind of simple definition? Yeah, I always like to give two answers here. So there's a peptide that we get in our food. That when you eat a steak, it goes from a protein to an amino acid to a peptide. So it's just your digestive enzymes break it down to a peptide. They offer many processes in the body from your hormones to your immune system. So without peptides, it wouldn't exist. They're just small chains of amino acids. Normally one was, it's two chains of amino acids up to 50, depending on who you speak to, above 50 of polypeptide, above that protein. Therapeutic peptides, which we're going to discuss today. So these are signaling molecules. So again, two chains of amino acids to around about 50 chains. And then these target receptor proteins in the body, mostly, and they trigger an endogenous response. And generally these peptides are always found in the body. I always say this, and I simplify it, that these peptides are found in the body, but that's not exactly true. So it is true, but there's a more specific. So peptides are made of these 20 amino acids that are found in the body, essential and non-essential. So with these 20 amino acids, they're sequenced in different ways, to or modified in different ways, to have a different objective or target area. So there's around about trillion, trillion different sequences you can have. When you think about, you know, you could, let's just say it's from number one to 20. You could have one, two, and three. Then you could have three, two, one. You could have one and 20. So bases are trillion, trillion, and total. So these different sequences are then created by people, not more intelligent than me, to target different areas in the body. So as an example, Cmax and Selenck, that's a seven-chain amino acid. Now Cmax and Selenck is for a neuroceptor and cognitive health. Now Cmax, which is for cognitive energy, comes from a stress hormone in the body. So it's a derivative of a stress hormone in the body. So this stress hormone is four, the extract is four amino acids. They then add another three amino acids to it. And then you can take it as a nasal spray, and it's more stable, and go straight to the neuroceptor and breaks the blood-brain barrier. So it's just one example of many. But so the amino acids are found in the body. The sequences are not always found in the body, but derivatives are. Okay. So in very basic terms, a peptide that you take externally would go into your body and start signaling to a particular area to fix, repair, to start doing something. If it stopped doing something. It's just to optimize and to regenerate. So I always say, "I always say I'm dumbing this down, but it's for myself." I have no, I'm not a medical person. I have no such dumbness down for me. That's what I'm saying. This is for me so I can explain it. I often do use analogies. So when we take these peptides, they're then looking for receptor proteins in the body. These I say are like into the doorbells. So it's ring the doorbell. And so what we do, we're not actually letting the peptide in as such. So if we were taking say steroid to grow hormone with a stranger's ring in the doorbell, we're letting that stranger in. Then it's endogenit, we don't know what's going to happen. So it's ex-stogenes going internally. When we take a peptide, it's like what we're used to call knockdown ginger in the UK. It rings a doorbell runs away, but creates activity in the house. So you're not actually letting the stranger into the house. And this is why when taken sensibly, there's a real safety element to it, because you're not actually really letting anything in theory. So that's how most peptides work, not all, how most peptides work. Okay. And then the rise in the popularity recently, what, where's that come about? That's because of the GLP ones, the ozone pick and the ski pep, you know, the weight loss. And they are basically peptides, but I would always put them in a category of peptide drugs. The reason for that, they've been modified to stay in the body longer. So this analogy, again, if I'm wrong, they use this quite a lot today, probably. But this analogy of bringing the doorbell and running away suddenly, because of it's extended the half-life, now turn this into a drug, they're keeping the finger on the doorbell for longer. So we start to desensitize or the receptors. So now they need to start increasing the dose and it's staying in the body for five to seven days, depending on the GLP. And that's when we see side effects. So essentially, when we take a GLP, it's hitting multiple receptors at the same time, the higher the dose, the more receptors going to hit. And it's staying in the body for an average of six days. That's the downside of what I would call a peptide drug. The pro to a peptide is that they don't stay in the body very long. They're going to be able to bring the doorbell and run away for some time, for minutes. The downside to that is you have to take the multiple times a week or sometimes multiple times a day to get the optimal outcome. Okay. So that's the basics of what they are. In terms of the stigma and the potential downsides and disadvantages for health, what might that be for a peptide? I think it's this information. Because as we see a real safety profile with peptides, I've never really seen any side effects from my clients or people that I'm advising, educating for 11 years. And we always stay safe, low, slow, stay safe in the parameters, do the correct cycle, six weeks on six weeks off for many. And I think what's happened now is that I'm trying to be diplomatic here. There's a lot of medical people who've jumped on the bat. Of course, implements as PT, everyone but for me, it's more dangerous for the medical people that are jumping on the bandwagon because these are the people you should be listening to in theory. And they were saying, "I only use a medical professional for peptides." Well, by default, that doesn't make sense because peptides in general, apart from the peptide drugs, I'll research only. There are a few that are FDA regulated now, but the masses are not. So there is no human studies. So if they're saying using for medical purposes, then that actually is probably more grey than what I'm doing, so I'm not medical professional. So we need to be really careful here. And then you get these people, these doctors are all over social media trying to monetize from peptides. I say, "Well, these have got popular. Just use me on medical professional." And then some of the protocols that I'm seeing from them, probably because I'm noticing more, really, really worrying. MOTC is a big one. So MOTC is trending a lot at the moment. That's exercise mimetic. So basically all the benefit you get from exercise about doing exercise, of course, you should do the exercises. And the problem with this is that this does stimulate the receptor proteins. It does bring the doorbells, but it's going in at a deeper level. This is DNA encoded. So because we have mitochondria, it's a mitochondria dry peptide. Because we have mitochondria in every cell in the body, it's literally hitting every cell in the body. So taking this like a normal peptide, which is generally five days on, two days off for six weeks, is actually quite dangerous because it can start to trigger muscle activation as in a histamine response without you being allergic to the actual peptide that you're injecting because it's so potent. So I'm seeing these protocols from these doctors and online and hearing it through clients that come to me that they're taking this peptide every single day for six weeks, ridiculous. I was told eight years ago, I mean MOTC is quite new, it's 2015, I think it's founded. And people are taking it every day because they think they should take it like a normal peptide. But in fact, you just pulse it like three times a week for two weeks, take a break. Yeah. And that way you avoid the histamine response. And I've seen some really bad outcomes actually from top doctors in the US, given these protocols and people going into anaphylactic shock. And this is just simply ignorance on their part, not understanding the effects or they're just wanting to monetize by selling more. Both. Both. They say, you know, this is how peptides work. I've been on a two week course and that's what they do because they didn't learn about this at MedSchool and I feel like I'm really tall because I'm going to just be a caveat to it in the moment. But so they just get this two weeks of information. They have no real life data on it because they haven't been working in it for the time that we have or people that I aspire to have. And so, you know, I've got a couple of thousands of hours now of educating feedback and a total feedback. I see what clients response is after four weeks. I know how to adjust the protocol. They don't have the information. They just don't. And it's so individual. I just want to say a caveat now is that the people I aspire to, the best people I've worked to in the industry are doctors. But they've been doing this for 15, 20 years. They've been doing in clinics, they're basing the US. They train at the peptide universe in the US. And these are the people that I aspire to and have learned from. But they've been doing it for a long time. Yeah. And they just went to caveat now. It's something I've seen a lot now, even from just purely fitness influencers who have seen the potential for making money with peptides, suddenly announced that, oh yeah, I'm launching my new peptide company. It's like, what the fuck, you know about peptides? Like, that's ridiculous. But it's just the way the world works when there's money to be made. People will just jump onto it. Yeah. And I see it a lot with the personal trainers and getting their clients in shape. They're not here. Like, they will just recommend their clients to start taking these steroids just so they can get their client in shape and get the transformation because they get the transformation. They can put that on social media that you get more clients, but they have no consideration into the health damage that they're causing for their client and the permanent side effects that they're going to have after that. So it's, yeah, it's a pretty sketchy area to be in. Yeah, really. So if someone's like browsing through social media, what are the red flags and things that you should be aware of when people are talking about peptides and then who should you be listening to and taking advice from? There's a few variations to that. I think firstly, doctors have just started talking about peptides and you can see, and they normally the ones that say, only use a medical professional. That's a red flag straight away because that's not really the case because these are generally research compounds. Number two is when it says not for human use. That's worrying. They say that to protect themselves, but there's a, you know, I had legal, as you can imagine, I had legal advice in this many years ago. And putting for research purposes only is fine. But if a research purpose is only not for humans, when you are saying and selling this product for humans, it's just not, you know, it's not ethical. So that's number two. And number three is a little bit difficult to explain, but it's just over the years I can visualize and see when a peptide sold online, if it's a cheap peptide or not and hasn't gone for all the testing and studies and the other bread for, and a good thing to ask people that are buying peptides or your buying peptides from is when they say their purity is high. So 99% purity or whatever we see all the time. I would always say to them first, can you tell me about the toxin endotoxins? And they're, and if they respond by saying the purity levels really high, they don't know what they're talking about because purity doesn't relate to toxic level. Okay. But they think it does. Okay. So yeah, that's one thing again, I wanted to dive into is the sourcing of the peptide itself. The best peptides that is there a specific area where they're usually produced? Is there other areas in the world where they tend to have a lower quality, higher toxicity level compared to others? Yeah. So again, diplomatically from Asian countries trying to, I've been doing this a long time. So diplomatically look, peptides from China is, they have a bit of a stigma associated with them. Not, that, not always so fair because you know, there's a small percentage of, of labs in, in the China that probably produce some of the best peptides in the world. But then we're talking about the raw material. So when you go from raw material to put it into vials, this is when you start having toxic exposure. And this is where, you know, some of these sort of developing countries, if you like, they, they sort of struggle. So at the very worst case to have the raw material from a good CGMP certified lab in China, sent to somewhere in the US that have a lot of experience this, have a CGMP certified lab in the US that are doing the filling. That's a good place to start. Ultimately, at the moment, where we tend to get our peptides from is it's all created in the US. The CGMP, C, C lab is in the US. And they also connected to our lab in the EU where we're having the ready-made peptide pins and that comes from a lab that CGMP certified and they also deal with oncologists. So we know we're doing a good level here. So it does take a bit of research, but, you know, going online, seeing these little 3ml vials, silver foil, you know, shiny foil labels selling BPC for $50, $60. You know, it's a real red flag for me. What's on, because you mentioned the foil label, what is it actually, there's a logo? Well, so they, generally they will get this from a source in far, you know, in Asia or Far East and they will say, can you just give me this BPC 157, 10 milligrams, they're bite for $5 and they're saying, oh, you're real customised for your white label. So they might label it as stamp it, get sent to them in the UK or wherever and then they sell it for you. It is tricky. Like, how would you, if you were a consumer and consumer and you get it, like you just, you wouldn't really be able to know it's not like you can do a home test. No. And this is something you're just going to put into your body. Absolutely. Like that freaks me out. That's what that. I'm trying to go back to what you originally said. The original peptide could be fine, but it's the container that is put into the problem. Yes. In the labs, generally they will receive the raw powder. So the raw peptide powder, the compound, that compound needs going to a vial so they can sell it. So they, they might buy this powder for very, very cheap for one kilo. That's a lot of 10 milligrams. Right. So then they need it. But it could be good quality though. It could be good quality. Absolutely. And it's that process. What method are they using? For example, the lab in EU that we're using, they have got the shielding, the glass shielding, they put their hands through these gloves. Oh, yeah, yeah. So it's very sterile environment. Absolutely. Yeah. This is what you need to do. You know, there are no corners in the room, so there's no bacteria being caught in the corners. There's another level of conversation and majority of the stuff on the market. I'm pretty sure it doesn't cover all those aspects. Okay. So people need to be very careful and cautious. Absolutely. Moving on to, I want to go through some of the most popular and trending peptides per sort of category. If we move on to the peptides trending in research and metabolic health, retotruid, retotruid, retotruid, retotruid, say it for me please. Retotruid. There we go. So what's that one all about? That's the trending at the moment. So that's a triple agonist. It's going through medical research at the moment should be launched for doctors and clinicians later this year. So that's evolution. So that's what they call triple agonists. So we had ozimpik, which was a single agonist. We had then monjaro, which was a dual agonist. And now we have retotruid tied with a triple agonist. Okay. So what the hell does that mean, agonist? The trigonist. It means it's a triggering receptor in the body to perform better. So we've seen it's like what triple agonists are three times better? Essentially. Very simplified. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if I was to break it down a little bit about being too boring. So ozimpik, which was the GLP one. Yes. So that's an appetite suppressing, slowing down gastric emptying. And then you have monjaro, which is a GLP one and a GLP, which is a gluconininsulinotropic polypeptide. And that's basically enhancing what the first one did. We then have retotruid tied. Now what seems to be happening with these new agonists is they seem to be mitigating the potential side effects on the previous agonist. So what happens with glucose gone is it helps balance your glucose variability. So like when a diabetic takes their insulin and the glucose levels drops too low, they then need to take a sugar pill. Glucuconin theory is doing that. There's no sugar. It's balancing out that glucose variability. And that's why I took it because minimizing glucose variability is really good for anti-aging longevity. So you take that, you get more balanced glucose levels. So you weren't taking it because you were just being a little fatty like you could too much. You actually weren't in fact the health reasons as well. For longevity. I mean apart from a little thing that I did last year, I've never wanted to lose weight. I've always struggled to put on weight. So I would never take a GLP. It goes against everything that I want to do. But because of longevity aspect, that's why I took retotruid. So that's the triple agonist glucogon. Has other benefits like helps you maintain muscle while you're losing fat. That was a big thing when people were taking ozambic and monjaro. They were losing too much muscle. So it seems to balance that out. That's why people are really enjoying that particular product. Because this is a peptide drug, my guidance and education to people is to do a microdose. Because what we're trying to do is we're trying to take a peptide drug and turn it into a therapeutic peptide like the BPC. So the best way to do that from my experience is doing a super low dose two or three times a week. And what would that look like? Super individual. But generally it's half a milligram. Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Some people, someone I've worked with the other day, I've got them doing 0.2. So that's 0.6 of a milligram per week. But 0.5 seems to yield the best results for the less side effects. Put this into context from what I can see. When it's launched medically, they're going to get people work taking one shot, nine milligrams to 12 milligrams per week, ten times more than what we're working on, they're seeing good results from. Okay. And for what period of time? Does it need to be a cycling aspect? Six weeks on. And then the six weeks, then we say six weeks off and then decide whether you need to do it again. The whole idea of taking peptides is to get your base level to a certain level and then it's about your lifestyle. The better your lifestyle is after you've got your optimal outcome with the peptide, then by default, the reason why your peptides are less functional is because you're aging. So the better you do your lifestyle to maintain aging at a cellular level, then the less time you'll need to do peptides. If you finish your reticute, I'd say I've rebounded and now I'm eating crap, going out drinking, sleep's all over the place and you're going to need to go back on it sooner. Does that tend to happen? There are some people that it's habitual because they've stopped taking the reticute. I doesn't work anymore and they've told them, I've rebounded. I'm re-hungry. Yeah. I'm saying, well, that's not, I don't think that's really the case. And that's more psychological. And then it's about it. All of this is about lifestyle first. All the peptides we're discussing with the icing on the cake. I guess that's one of the biggest things that would be up for debate is the dosage and the cycling and duration of the cycling because I could ask probably loads of people, maybe even like a lot of people like you who really know their stuff. And I would probably, I don't think I would get the same answer back every single time. No. Similar, I would say, similar, as long as I really do know what they're talking about. And this sort of four weeks to 12 weeks, I know that's quite a difference, but that does depend on the individual, you know, the peptide university, I'm planning to do some work with it. They run a lot of their cycles for 12 to 16 weeks, which is a long time. It's very hard for me to go against what I've learnt because I've seen such great results with no side effects. And it's low, slow effect, generally five days on two days off, six weeks on six weeks off. I've seen such good results. There's no reason why I would feel I'd need to change that. Yeah. Is this something that you can easily get at this point? What's that? Retta. Yes. Yes. And this is all for research purposes, obviously. Yeah. So what does the future look like for this in particular? Is this going to literally solve obesity in America, for example? Absolutely. I mean, it's a 20, I mean, even lipid panel, see an improvement in lipid panel, rainfall, hormone health and weight loss, of course. My concern is the level that I'm hearing that they're going to go to market at. That worries me because then we will see side effects for sure. I've seen what they're going to be recommending. Yeah. So they're saying between nine milligrams and 12 milligrams, one shot per week. And then we've been seeing that 0.5, three times a week works well with no side effects. Some people have had side effects myself. I stopped after two weeks because I noticed that we've been to graphically. I noticed my stall quality wasn't as good. So I said, well, this isn't good. My stall quality is not as good a week. It was. It's going somewhere. So I stopped to six weeks off and then did it again. And it seemed that my two weeks are just at my maximum level. That was so individual. Yeah. But of course, my job really is educating and working with healthy people to make them healthier. Or longevity, anti-aging prevention. In medicine, that's not what they're doing. They're working with beast diabetics. So at nine milligrams, 12 milligrams might be what's working for them. But the researchers and the biohackers and the health optimizers, they need to take that consideration. I've seen rebuttal on my posts and YouTube videos I've done before. They said, "You shouldn't be doing microdosing retitude. I had who told you this nonsense. You've got to hit all your receptors at once, do high dose one shot, where do you get all this rubbish from?" They're okay. Well, firstly, it's based on my anecdotes, evidence of the last year. I've seen some great results. And secondly, I'm always trying to avoid side effects. And it's basic science. The more receptors and the longer the half life you're hitting at once, the higher chance you've got a side effect. Yeah. I guess we're only going to find out in like the five years, 10 years, 20 years, we might even be looking back and be like, oh, dear. That was a big mistake. Because we are in the early stages. There isn't really any long-term scientific studies done on this quite yet. It's the same thing with all this biohacking equipment. Yeah. It's trending and everyone's like, oh, I'm going to do the red light therapy and the oxygen stuff, the saunas and the cold plunges. And it's just like, this is maybe it's not actually as good as we think it is. Maybe it's still a placebo thing in the head. Absolutely. Normally most of us are intuitive enough to know if something feels good or not, training, energy levels, sleep. For all these things that are optimising, you notice that from something you've been pros, college, you've been running, then generally that's a good sign, I would say. Let's see what the future may bring. Yeah. What about, oh, God, I can't even pronounce these. Ty, I think I might like a little bit dyslexic. I'm just not sure. I just find that out today. Ty's a peptide. Ty's a peptide. Ty's a peptide. That's monjaro, so that's a double wagonist that we just spoke about. That's a double-naked monjaro. And then the semi-glutide. Semi-glutide is the ozimpix, that's the single-agonist. The semi-glutide, which is ozimpix was first, Ty's a peptide is monjaro, it was second, and now retotute hydroids doesn't have a medical name yet, but it's called retotuteide. You mean, how can it not have a medical name yet, but how's it name? So it's got a scientific name. So the scientific name for ozimpix was semi-glutide. The scientific name for monjaro was Ty's a peptide. Now the scientific name for retotute hydroids, retotute hydroids, because it hasn't been launched into the market yet. Okay, so that's going to have a new name. I guess so. Who the hell's naming all these? I guess it's Big Pharma. So the Big Pharma, whoever creates it, I'm going to call it. Yes. Yeah, so Eli Lin is the producer for retotute hydroids. If you created one, what would you call it? This is a kind of DH super fat fatty peptide. Okay, moving on to recovery regeneration and performance. This would be obviously interesting for me, because I want to maximize performance, maximize and optimize recovery. We have a couple of ones here. I guess the popular one, the BPC157. Yep. Body protection compound. Yep. Why is that so good? That's probably one of the longer standing peptides that most people have been working with when you mentioned why did I get into peptides with the regeneration aspect BPC157 was the first one I took. So that's a 15-chain amino acid that's found in the stomach and gastric juices, and that helps your gut repair. So taking it systemically, we'll go around the body and look for parts of the body to repair. It works well with blood tissue, cell migration, sorry blood vessels, cell migration, soft tissue, like connective tissue, helps rehabilitate this. I've seen some amazing results over the years, just even today, something posted message me saying, "How quickly they need recovered." And even just for a lot of the high-rocks athletes now, they take BPC as part of their training because you recover better from training, you just rehabilitate better. You're able to push hard in the gym, especially if you're planning a training for an event. And yeah, that's a 15-chain amino acid that focuses on connective tissue mainly, but also really good research around heart health because of the blood vessel optimization. Okay, that's interesting. So, I guess for those people who are training regularly and need to perform at their best, that's something that would be worth looking into. Because I imagine if somebody is just casually going to the gym, taking seriously, but they're going three times per week, would there be a need for them to take it because assuming that they're eating right and they're sleeping right and then having like a rest day or two rest days in between each session. Very unlikely. But, you know, if there's someone that gets quite a lot of niggles and people doing shoulder press and their shoulders are getting niggas, they don't seem to recover, then for me, that was the last time I did BPC. I just got a little niggle in my shoulder. It was doing something really silly, as you wasn't training, I wasn't talking about that, but I had a niggle there and then, you know, I took the BPC and I just tell, you know, when I get this, I thought, oh, that will hang around a while. To the BPC, it cleared up in five days. I know previously it would have taken weeks. Yeah. And I was back training again. So, there's always a possibility to take it, but you're right. You know, just let the body recover, eat well, do your sawners or whatever and see how you feel. But if you're still not recovering and that happens when you get to my age, you can happen, then you start, then you might need something like that. Guys, it's 78 by the way. I act like I'm in trouble. Yeah. So, for regeneration, it's good for training recovery and as I say, if you're an athlete and you're competing, then. I think for me, because I'm obviously at the point where I'm shifting quite a lot of weight. And that the form is controlled. I don't feel like I'm overdoing it at this stage, but I have noticed recently whenever I've been pressing, particularly any kind of incline press or shoulder press, there is a. I'm aware of something in my shoulder that's like limiting me from really giving 100%. And I'm always a bit wary of that. Usually what I would do in that scenario is I would just not press for a while. Okay. Or maybe I would completely change the position of the pressing. So instead, we do a neutral press and just leave out any pressing where I'm sticking the elbow out. I feel like something like this could just heal it. Yeah, I wish. If it's something you're aware of and it's been around for a little while, it's niggling then absolutely. I mean, I've seen. The thing is, I've seen. I was a question call him kids, but 25, where I was taking BPC and they've got 10 to 90s in their elbow and they heal in three days. Because they're a set, does they're so sensitive, they're still optimized as a. As I said, at a level where the peptide's still optimal in their body because they're young, where someone a bit older or closer to my age and they take it for 10 to 90s, you can see it because they're two to three months. So the older you get, the slower the response might have been. More often than not, yes. Yeah. And is there a point where you could be too young and should be completely avoiding it or is that not an issue? I think really just by default, anyone under the age of 21 just seems pointless. You should be at your optimal recovery anyway, even up to 25. That's when the peptide functions and growth hormone, if it starts to decline. But anything below 21 seems a bit ridiculous. You're pretty much invincible at age. I would go straight into the gym and crack on with my working heaviest weight without any war, but I'd be absolutely fine. And then you realise after doing that, you get into your late 20s, you definitely can't do that. No, no. You'll have a wake up ball. I think I spent half an hour warming up 10 minutes training. We'll get back to the podcast in a second, but first of all, I want to say a massive shout out to Bionic. I have been using their supplements for the past four years. I never knew what supplements I needed to take. I would always go into the pharmacy and buy a load of random bottles and end up popping pills all day every day, not having a clue if I was consuming the vitamins, which I should be consuming at all. But Bionic came to save the day. They are a tailor-made supplement company that will put together your own specific formula based on your activity, your gender. I have Bionic Pro where I get the blood test done every three to four months and based on that blood test, I get my own personalized formula. For those people who don't want to do a blood test, I don't have access to that. Then you can go with Bionic Go where you just have to fill in a short questionnaire and based on that questionnaire, you will get your tailored supplements with a surprisingly high degree of accuracy. So stop the guesswork, science Bionic and then show that you remove those deficiencies and build up your immune system. I get TB 500. Yeah. TB 500. So that works very well. It's synergistic with BPC 157. Frequently put into a blend. It's from the thymus. It's generally a fragment of thymus and beta 4. The thymus and beta 4 is basically all the cells in the body and this helps regeneration. That's a 43 chain amino acid, thymus and beta 4. TB 500 is a synthetic version of that. It does very similar to BPC. It focuses on soft tissue. So where BPC was connected tissue, this is soft tissue, so muscle, fascia, so it does that. So working together is amazing for rehabilitation. TB 500 is often referred to as a fragment 1723. That's a 17 chain amino acid, which is extracted from that 44 chain amino acid, seven of those and it's got another 10 amino acids to make it more stable and more effective in the body. But it's just sometimes people call TB 500, TB 500 and it should be called 1723. The only difference is it's more targeted, whereas TB 500 and it's 43 chain amino acid for it's more systemic. It goes on the body more broad spectrum. When you take it in the 1723, the 17 chain, that's more specific to the target area. Okay. Important for both. They can be using chrmascula or with a clinician or a medical professional. Our side pad my elbow using both of those under ultrasound. So very long needle and then they put it into the area. That sounds nice. And that's not fun. But when it's chrmascula and it's less systemic, it's going to stay in the target area. I get that question with time. People say, "I've got my insulin needle where, you know, and I've got a bad shoulder. So I inject it in my shoulder. And for me, it's ludicrous. I mean, it's subcutaneous. So unless you've got a long needle, you're actually going into the area, which I certainly wouldn't suggest doing at home. Yes, subcutaneous would always be the safest option. So you mentioned a blend. Is that something where you're getting the two individuals when you put them together? The labs will generally make a blending. They'll make a blend in the area. One peptide with another in the pH level will start to enter every chauveris. It's mainly nonsense. But to optimize, sometimes BPC and TB for instance, BPC ultimately if you're trying to recover from an injury you should take twice a day, five days on two days off. TB 500, you should probably overtake every day or Monday Wednesday Fridays an example a slightly higher dose, but only in the mornings because TB 500 can disrupt sleep. To be taken together, you're already losing if you don't care about disrupting sleep, it's fine, but if you want to have maximum sleep, which is the key for foundation for recovery, then you don't want to take TB 500 in the evening, which means you can't take it with the BPC. So I get it, but it's not always optimal. Interesting. Okay. C-G-C-1295 plus hyper-murilin. The same. Yes. Daddy. This is the first time I'm saying half of these. This is the growth hormone at least in peptide. Yeah, growth hormone secretic oxide. Okay. So that's good. Yeah, growth hormone secretic oxide is really good. So we talk about the doorbell again. So the doorbell in this instance. Is it saying create more growth hormone? Of your own growth hormone. So it's stimulating the maturity gland. It's ultimately stimulating the maturity gland to increase your own endogenous growth hormone. Really good. I was cycling and I'm trying to do body composition. That's what I cycle the most. Everybody loves these. You get in the benefits of growth hormone, potentially about the side effects of injecting synthetic growth hormone into the body. And yeah, you put on muscle ease, you sleep better, you've got more energy, you lose fat better. So it's just optimizing, again, when you use 25-year growth hormones, when it reaches peak or probably a bit before that, but you start to decline from age 25 and we know, as we just said, you can train harder, sleep better, have less sleep, have loads of energy. That's what optimized growth hormone does. And something women could take as well? Absolutely, yeah. I mean, explain the difference is there are side differences. So testosterone and that's 44-chain GHRH growth hormone releasing hormone. Your growth hormone releasing hormone that's produced by the maturity gland is actually 44 chains. So testosterone matches that almost identically of a slight modification to extend half life. That's a GHRH. The CJC1295 is also a GHRH, but that's a 29-chain amino acid. So that's an extract from the 44-chain. Gently, if, based on my experience, other people may differ, based on my experience, the testosterone is a safer place to start than CJC1295 because the latter seems to and can stimulate a histamine reaction. So I would generally start with testosterone, which is after they're approved for burning official fat actually. The same thing, eventually it tells us the maturity gland, but it goes to the Grelin hormone first. And the Grelin hormones responsible for hunger. A lot of people get worried, so they're not going to be more hungry. It doesn't. It disassociates itself from the hunger stimulation and just goes on there to the maturity gland. And then what you've got, people take these together, test and rel in the GHRH and Iprin rel in GHRP and that gives you the full spectrum or close to the full spectrum of taking a growth hormone, an actual growth hormone, synthetic drug. So this is taking the two together, will give you potential. That's pretty amazing. So then would that kind of cancel out the need for you actually having full on growth hormone? In many cases, this would be where you'd start and this is why testosterone has been approved and even semi-relevant, I think was approved as a, you know, to the same effects as growth hormones. This is the safer way to do it about putting exogenous growth hormone into the body and then you've got all these, you know, potential side effects. And most, you should do this first, you know, in my opinion, it becomes an age when, because a member, we're just creating what's already in there to optimize. So there will be an age when maybe I have Brudy M78, thank you for that. Where my growth hormone is not really anything to grab onto. So at that point, there's no point in taking a secrety, it's going to stimulate growth hormones, there's nothing there. So then we would start to take GH maybe. So, okay, that makes sense. If you're trying these and taking these, you really have to be keeping an eye out for how your body is responding and whether or not it's actually working. So let's say, for example, I'm, I'm the typical guy who's going to the gym. I want to get stronger. I want to improve my body composition, lower body fat, increase muscle mass. You know, I don't want to be jacked beyond belief, but I just want to, I want to have my energy feel better, look better. What, out of those ones we've just discussed would be an appropriate thing to be moving forward. The particular pro score is test and ren, Iper ren ren or CJC and Iper ren ren for all the things we just discussed for optimized growth hormone and BPC and TB 500. And you can get blends for both. So you can, you can do a blend of the GHRH and GHRP, the test and ren Iper ren and you can do a blend of the BPC and TB 500. So with that, you've got recovery, building muscle, where is your burning fat? So you've got a combination of two. So you can take all of them. All of them. All of them are things because you can do a blend because if you are being jacked yourself four times or two times. Wow. So if you do the blend, you only need to inject yourself two times. But you couldn't put it into one blend, all four of them. I would suggest not. I mean, look, if you, if you, so what some people do, and again, a doctor did this in the UK and there is an issue with this, but if you pull them all into one syringe bit fiddly, so if it's not in the pen and you just pulled from four vials and put into one syringe and took it immediately, then that's the way of going around not having to inject four, do four injections at once. I did hear a one doctor that did this with all these different crossovers of peptides, different families, different groups, put them into a syringe for their client. It's quite a high incline. And I said, right, take these away with you and all these peptides are all count. And they all died. I mean, they're just going to be so less effective. And they start they will, the blends, once reconstituted, don't disassociate, but all these, you know, mixing a bioregulator with thymus now for one. And, you know, there's a reason why these labs, again, are a lot more intelligent myself with doing certain blends and not. So for these doctors, I just put one syringe and keep in your fridge for six weeks. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Just genuinely curious. And then for a big topic at the moment of men having less testosterone than, you know, 20, 30 years ago, whatever, will these have an effect on overall testosterone production? Is there anything you can take to help guys improve their testosterone or is it something they should do just literally by, you know, improving their sleep, reducing stress, all these other things? Yeah, let's get the basics right first. We have to keep caveatting this before we talk about peptides and making sure you're going to bed around the same time every night, getting your minimum hours asleep, eating food, lifting weights, do this for a long period of time. And then if you're, if your testosterone is still not optimizing, you're taking all the different supplements and it's still not increasing, then we can look at some peptides. Precursors really to producing testosterone. We're not bringing again, we're not putting synthetic hormones into the body. So there's one called KISS PEPTIN which stimulates LH and FSH hormones. So that's like your precursor to your testosterone production. So again, there's always doing this, bringing the doorbell to try and tell the body to produce more testosterone, we're not putting testosterone into the body. So that's really good. Also the testes by regulators, we haven't discussed the by regulators yet, but there are subcategory of peptides to form amino acid chains that you can take horribly and these come from animal. So this would come from the ball of an animal. So pretty much similar to your organ meats, but a lot more defined. So and the basic four two to four chain amino acids from the balls of balls, right from the testes of balls. And they naturally find the target error. So they match up sort of the amino acid sequence. So they would in theory target the epigenetic environment of your testes of your testicular function and optimize that, regulate it. So if it's down, if it's already down regulated or up regulated, if in very unlikely effect, you're producing too much, it would down regulate it. So it's creating regulation for the target area, acting always it's like a DNA switch, it's not changing your DNA. It's a dimmer switch, it's either going to increase or decrease. So really for thyroid, if you had hypothyroidism, it downregulate it. If you had hypothyroid, it would upregulate it. And there's 21 of those. Yeah. Yeah, it's fascinating because there's so many guys in the industry who are just so quick to hop onto a TRT just because they want results quickly and they're either impatient or they've not looked at other areas of their life which can drastically improve. It's funny, I wonder like, you know, you could be on all these different protocols of pet tides. And I guess you can kind of still class yourself as being natural. Like, it'd be funny in the future to try and figure out what point are you not natural. This is like a weird obsession people have in the fitness industry. Yeah. Massive discussion people have about me and like other people are easy natural, easy not natural. And then like in the future, you could be on this pet type protocol and doing all these different things but technically not taking any steroids. No. So it's like, oh, we were technically I'm still natural. Yeah. I'm not taking any steroids but really are you natural anymore? Oh, it's like everything you're taking. Here's some stories. So, but based on this conversation. So firstly, Wadder or Wadder, they banned a few pet tides now. They're not deemed as PDs. There was an American football team, I believe. I was told this by one of my American counterparts that took BPC 157 during training. So that, so that going back to the start, when you take these pet tides during that the body very quickly, you can't find them. You can't test for pet tides. They was in the body in theory. So I was saying, can I test your collagen levels? It's just not really possible. I mean, anything's possible but you'd have to, you know, so it's all we're doing is stimulating what's really there. Who can say that my production of testosterone isn't this high because all you've seen is in Dodge and Testosterone, there's no synthetic testosterone going into the body when I take his peptin. But, so the BPC 157, they were using it for their training and then they went out and I think they won, you know, the bowl or something and they were just so advanced more than everyone else. And they said, what are you doing? They said, we're taking this peptide BPC 157. It's fine. It's natural. And they said, and they looked into it. So actually, you can't use this because you're able to train better. So, because you can train better, that's not fair on everybody else. I can't. Yeah, because that is going to be a big thing now in the Olympics. All these are the big sports categories. I mean, what's your opinion? But you think like you're sure it's okay. It's good. Everyone's taking it. Yeah. Well, it's a level playing field. It's fine. You know, and it's, and again, these things don't work unless you're enhancing your lifestyle anyway. So they said, about your feet, I mean, if you're just taking BPC and sitting around doing nothing, it's not going to do anything really. You might hear what you got, but not much more than that. Yeah. And it's, for me, I shouldn't simplify it so much. But let's call it an advanced supplement. One which I'm becoming increasingly interested in. Moving on to cognitive and nervous system peptides. So this is, I guess the peptides, which is going to improve brain function, alertness, focus, all these things. Start off with semax. What's this one? So C-Mex. I think I mentioned that I peptide found it in the 1970s or 1960s. It was used during the cold war, I believe, for more focus for Russian soldiers. Lows a human data on it. And this helps stimulate neuroceptors. It's been more cognitive, for cognitive energy and focus. I think I mentioned at the beginning it comes from the stress hormone in the body. So it's a four amino acid extract added another three amino acids to make it a seven amino acid chain. And the reason why they do that is so it breaks through the blood-brain barion. It's more stable. And that really works well as nasal spray, actually. So because you're just common sense, rather than take it sub-gitalis straight to the neck. Straight to the neuroceptors. And actually the great, the great, even though you're taking it as a protocol for long term compounded benefits, when you do take it as a nasal spray, you do feel a little boost straight away. It's important to understand we're, it's not stimulant. We're just optimizing the neuroceptors to perform better. We're not stimulating. Okay. So it's not taking a long shot. All on a coke. No. Okay. What's so, so if you took that could that potentially fix a, an individual who just has poor focus and it just has a poor attention to that. Yes, absolutely. Very common, actually, for females at Perimenopause, they suffer from brain fog. I often guide them to UC max as part of their pro-score to help them with just uplifting mood, more cognitive energy and focus, and to help with brain fog. And over time, we are seeing some good responses from them. Yeah. Okay. And then Selank and, and I'm going to say that right. Selank is good. Yes. Yes. And PE2228. Yes. So, the Selank is, so I always remember Selank by Selankius as an anxiety. Okay. And same thing. So, for interestingly that, that's the same as the C-max. It's a seven chain amino acid, but that comes from an immune protein. And that's been adapted to be a seven chain against doing the same thing. Be more stable, go straight to neuroceptors, and that's really good for mood regulation, depression. So, a lot of people are using that rather than antidepressants. Again, I couldn't advise them to people to come off antidepressants, but yeah, I've not heard good things about antidepressants. No, I think. But we won't go into that, obviously. Let's not do that today. Okay. And then the one which I am actually trying, guys, we are like five days deep into this one dihexia. I'm curious about this one. I mean, for me, and just my general approach to it so far, I'm really quite happy with how my, obviously my physique is my performance in the gym. I don't feel like I'm taking a long time when it comes to recovery because my programming is so dialed, my sleep is on point in everything. But with my job on a day to day basis, I just need to be so switched on all the time, like creatively doing these podcasts, being on video, like I just need to be always on points so I'm speaking to you speaking to Vadim about potential peptides for just improving brain function. And this is a good one. Apparently. I mean, he said, when you're taking things like this, you're not going to immediately start to see a difference. It would take, let's say for example, if you are taking this one to per day, check out, how long until things really start to. Research has around about four weeks. But whether it's placebo or not, so many people start this and within a week, they said they feel amazing. And really, this is for learning and memory. And the research dictates that the more damage your brain is, the more effective it will be. But brain damage in the terms that we're using is aging. As I said to you earlier, my daughter is learning Spanish in six months. I'm still struggling six years later. I was just about to say hello and goodbye. And that's because my learning optimal, but I don't learn as optimal as I do. So taking something direct, so you should get us back to that base level. Yeah. And again, yeah, that's just a nine-chain amino acid. It comes from the. It's a derivative of the hormone that regulates blood pressure. And then they just add it again. They modify it and turn it into a nine-chain. And again, this makes it more stable for cognitive performance. Yeah. Because for someone like me, for example, you sink down, you're doing a podcast with someone. And they're just. They're coming up. You with so much information. I want to remember everything and it's so hard. So I'm hoping this can help to improve that. Yeah. This is probably really bad analogy or anecdote, but I started taking Dietxer. So I watched these Netflix sit down my wife watching Netflix series or whatever. And all these people, when they watch it, they're talking about the actors, the actresses, the name of the program. I just don't remember that stuff. Anything about peptides, I remember it forever. But sufferers just don't care. And I started taking Dietxer, I remember that for lunch with some friends. I remember the name of the series, Actors, and I was just surprised myself. I said, "I really don't normally remember this." So it's really good for remembering non-important things. Is there anything you could potentially take for sleep quality and maybe even just like switched off and form a sleep quickly? Yep. So two peptides to look at. Firstly, the peptide bioregulator, epitol, on the first and over took. Does this enhancing anti-aging? We know that the foundation of health is sleep. So what this does, it helps balance your circadian rhythm. You can take it as an injection, subcutaneous, or you can take it as a capsule bioregulator, because it's only two to four amino acid chains. So it does the bioregulation, the DNA switch that I mentioned earlier. And that is really good for long term sleep, deep sleep. In fact, the first 10 days you take it, everyone who takes it for the first time, they need to take afternoon naps. Oh yeah. Which is good where I'm in Spain, because we just have a call this yesterday, right? Yeah. Everyone else is sort of, you know, and it was just wiping me out. I just had to sleep, felt great, but got to sort of one o'clock in the afternoon, took a 20 minute nap and I felt good, went to bed at nine o'clock, deep sleep, amazing for that. And again, that's the, that's almost like the precursor to what it's for. It's for longevity and increase in telomeres. Well, that's weird though, because he's taking something to improve his sleep, but then it's going to make him more sleeping than they. So it's kind of like, there's a trade off there a little bit. There is 10 days, generally seven to 10 days, and then after that, the next time you do it, it's not quite as perfect. I think for my, obviously, I would be a little ordering, don't you? Yeah. So there's ways to track it. Debatable as to how reliable and truthful it is, but I mean, we can say it's quite good. But one thing I've noticed is, I don't think I get as much deep sleep as I should. It seems to kind of max out at like one hour or an hour and something. And I don't know if that's got something to do with maybe I should try to go to bed even earlier than I am, because at the moment it's probably fall asleep between 12 and 1. Okay. It's quite like, yeah. But then I wake up at like 9. So it's not like the duration of sleep is bad, but more people have spoken to have said, you're going to get more deep sleep if you go to bed earlier. And then obviously you have to ensure that you eat a reasonable time before that. Yeah. Everybody's saying now that most of your calories should be consumed in the morning, really afternoon, and then you kind of have a, I know this is probably going to be problematic in Spain because they were like, like 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock. Definitely not. I was with my boring family in Spain. So yeah, there's like, there's a couple of experiments that I would like to make, but the sleep one. Yeah. Well, there's so, so I've been taking the DSIP, which is Delta sleep inducing peptide or deep sleep inducing peptide, which could be interesting for yourself. And that's a nasal spray again. It's targeting neuroceptors. And I take that when I'm travelling. And I've been taking that this week. And generally when I get to hotels, particularly in Dubai and all the connective lights, I sleep terrible. And I've been taking a couple of sprays before bed. And my sleep, my actually my sleep scores gone up since I've been here. I've been here four nights. Oh, I'm. And my sleep scores gone up and my aura rather than when I'm at home. So that never happens. So, yeah, DSIP really good. And you don't wake up drowsy. You feel good. I mean, maybe a little bit drowsier because you've had such a deep sleep. Yeah. But not like you've taken a sleep. Okay. I was needing to travel and I'm going to be travelling for a week. And then I've got that there's the time zone difference. There's like new bed, new environment, maybe a little bit of added extra stress for whatever reason. Something like this, you could do for that week or maybe the two weeks to get used to the time zones. And that should fix quite a lot of issues. Absolutely. Yeah. My only for this is fine. And the reason why I'm taking that when I'm travelling. So I don't take it when I'm at home. Yeah. I'm really struggling with sleep then I have research protocols for them which would be three times a week Monday, Wednesday, Friday. If you're going to take it as a protocol because then my concern would be dependency. Yeah. Even though it's acting as a peptide, you have this habitual type dependency. I think if I'm not putting something up my nose, I can't sleep properly. You know, so that's what we need to try and stay away from. And that's with a few peptides, oxytocin and things like that where you get such a good dopamine response. You think if I don't take the peptide, I'm not going to feel good. And this is where we need to be really sensitive. Yeah. And that's a big issue when people are taking things that they're noticing the positive side effects. Then there's the placebo on top of that and the habit of doing it to come off it. It might make you think like, oh no, like I need to get back on it. It's like some guys who are taking steroids like they get their body into this elite condition which they cannot achieve naturally. And they know that the only way to look at this is by taking steroids and they come off the steroids because you need to go off the steroids because you're going to destroy yourself. And then deficit is not as easy to maintain. They don't look as good. The body composition is not the same. And they're like, oh, fuck, I'm going to get back on it again. Yeah. And is it, I mean, maybe different for that, but there is placebo because you know, what we're doing as I mentioned with peptides, we're just increasing your baseline again. So when you stop, it doesn't just stop working. That's not how peptides are. It's not a drug. And I have a girl in, he'd be through at the moment who struggles in really bad anxiety when she gets in a car, she can't drive. She's so anxious. So I got, I advised her to look at Salankan peptide by a regulator called central nervous system. So she run these two together to regulate a central nervous system and take salank before she gets in the car. And she's just sent me a voice message. She's almost in tears when she said, I can't believe how good I feel. I'm not taking any of the stuff I was taking before anxiety. I feel amazing. How is she speeding? I was going to send me fines for a lot of speedy tickets. But then she said, I've come off them now and I'm really worried. And I said, well, you know, you know, you should go, I feel so good. I don't want to come off them. I said, OK, well, this is when you need to understand the science behind it. It's not take a drug, it stops working, building up your base level. Yes, that base of them might start to decline, but this is when you need to be intuitive. You know, peptides, you know, I think you need to have a certain IQ level to take them and be very, very intuitive and very aware. Because it's all about, it's a natural outcome. It's innate. And you need to just be very mindful, not just, you can retake peptides. I think that's really, really important. I guess one of the hardest things is to measure its effectiveness. Because you could say to yourself, right, I'm going to start taking these peptides. But at the same time, I'm also going to focus on my diet and start eating cleaner. I'm also going to start exercising more. And also, I'm going to try and focus on my sleep. So you're doing all these positive things. How do you then know that these results have come from the peptide or from these other things that you might be doing? Yes. As you say, it's almost impossible to test. Interestingly, not for someone like yourself, but interestingly, people are more motivated when they take the peptides. You see that a lot. So I say, right, now I'm taking the peptides, I'm going to stop drinking, I'm going to train harder. And they say, I feel amazing. I say, well, that was probably because you're training harder and stop drinking. And the peptides just maybe just gave you a little bit of enhanced effect. So that's all peptides are doing, enhancing what you're trying to do naturally. So it's probably a combination of the two, but probably 80% lifestyle, 20% in the peptide. And you can't test that. But when people stop taking the peptide and they continue with their lifestyle, it's great in and after a while, they still decline. But it's no more than optimizing what you're doing naturally. Yeah. So let's move on to cosmetic and skincare peptides. So peptides are going to be making us look youthful and beautiful and all of that. So one which is quite common is the copper peptide, GHKCU. Yeah. Why is this so popular? Well, I think it's because it has multiple applications. It's a tripeptide, a small chain amino acid. So you can take it all really for gut health because it's so small, it just goes in and fixes the gut. To go back, it's stimulates the collagen doorbell. Okay. So it's ringing the doorbell to stimulate collagen and dodgy to see. So you're basically creating better collagen reduction internally to externally rather than externally to internally. Yeah. I was going to say, like obviously there's lots of collagen powders. Is one superior to the other or is just, they're just different. I think because you're talking about subcutaneous now, because you're taking it subcutaneous so you're hitting all these receptors more directly. So it's going to encourage more collagen stimulation than taking an oral peptide or a collagen because really collagen has been, there are some theories that it does the same thing with stimulating receptors, but in reality, most of it has been broken down in your gut, which has amazing benefits for skin because you're fixing your gut health, but you're not hitting the same receptors. The other thing with GHK, you can take it, topically, you can do micro-needling, you can do it in a serum, and you can do it orally, and you can take it as an injection. So all the. Topically what you're talking about. Oh, I'll get you. Sorry, I've had a hair transplant. So any. Oh, topically, I just assume. Yeah, yeah. So on your skin, topical application, and there are some serums where people are rubbing it into their scalp as well. Okay. And that would be okay to take less of an example, you did a blood test, you find out your copper levels are actually above optimal or high. It's not going to be a problem. Not a problem, but for those people, I would take zinc, with it, just to balance it out. Okay. Okay. And then. (laughs) (laughs) Metric seal and acetyl hexapeptide eight. Common in skincare for wrinkle reduction and surface. Oh, no, I wasn't aware of those. It's doing. I don't. Probably weren't aware of it because of the way I said it. No, no, well, that was the start. I was thinking, "Oh, I don't know about these peptides." But I have seen them. A lot of people ask me questions, and I'd be brutally honest. I don't have much information on them. They've been discussed a lot in the cosmetic industry. And all the peptides we're talking about, I've got a lot of research and data in time. I don't have those too. Okay. I wouldn't comment on something like, "I don't have much knowledge on." Good answer. For most people, they want their skin to be better. And they want to reduce the wrinkles. Would there be. I mean, apart from those are the ones that. Maybe you don't know so much about, is there any other ones? Which is going to be good just for looking better. Well, the GHKC copper for sugar. That's the main one. That's the main one, and that's stimulately. Nobody loves that because it stimulates collagen production. And also, this is really good. Some people add that to their injury repair because your tendons are 90% collagen. It's going to be taken. This is a stat, by the way. BPC, TB500, and GHKCU together, you're healing your tendons. So people love that of the side effect, having better skin and collagen production. So that works really well. And the collagen micro-needling, the GHKC micro-needling, because someone in the Dubai that does it, my daughter does it in the UK. She's an Asphetic Nurse. And she uses the GHKCU to stimulate collagen in the face directly. So within two weeks you see really good results. And actually taking the two together, subcutaneous, and in the face micro-needling, you're going to see some great results. And then hair loss. My expertise, obviously. I don't know how to mount the people. I'll say about hair loss. That's a strange one. No, I miss the boat there, obviously. GHKCU copper. Again? It stimulates hair follicles. So good for hair thickness. And then rubbing a serum. I'd be so annoyed if I took that. I'd be like, right. Let's get some thicker hair. And then I just ended up having the hair he's just having. I'm like, oh, nice. Cool. Just back hair. Imagine. Imagine. Yeah, that worked. It tends to work well. And as I say, some people get in the exosomes in the GHKCU micro-needling in the scalp. That tends to work quite well. There's a lot of advancement in hair regeneration at the moment. Yeah. I'm not. There's some people say they've got, it's found some results in actual hair loss in baldness. Some people say they've got some products on that. But yeah, I'd have to leave something else to discover that, because I really silly with hair. So you want me walking around with an afro, I can tell you that. A few other ones. I mean, I guess one thing that I wanted to discuss is gut health, because I think that's very underrated and is a cause for many issues that a lot of people will be experiencing. So I think maybe some of them can have a positive effect for the gut health. Is there a peptide in particular that is sole focus is to improve gut health or does that? Is it not work like that? Yes, it does. Absolutely. There's a combination that I like. Because it's one that we haven't discussed yet today, lyrazotide. So lyrazotide is an H-chain amino acid. It's actually not found in the body. It's found in a bacteria and water. So this is when I said most peptides target receptor proteins, some that don't. This is one that doesn't. So this one actually targets tight junction proteins. They're like the little gardens that are responsible for intestinal permeability and protecting your cells. So when people have got leaky gut or intestinal permeability, they take something like lyrazotide orally, it closes up the permeability in the gut. So this is being studied heavily for celliac disease. So just to heal your gut, it's going to be very difficult to heal your gut if you've still got leaky gut. So stymilurazotide is really good. GHKCU is good, again, helping the collagen BPC, which is found in the intestinal, in intestines, is juices, is really good. TB500 is good. So all this sort of systemic healing, we're getting for subcutaneous injection because these are amino acid chains. But don't break the endothelium when you take them orally. So don't go into the bloodstream as such, but they are healing your gut. You don't need it to go any further. And the only one that would add to that, which is also good for skinache, is KPV. That's a tripeptide. That's at the end of the alpha-millennasite stimulating hormone, which is responsible for millenatam1, PT141 for sexual permeability. And the millenatam1 peptide? Yes. So this is when the bodybuilder bros start coming out. So I've been taking peptides for 30 years. I had no idea that was a peptide. Yeah, that's a. It's a bit of a ridiculous. I don't think really thick up so you know, anybody take that and look good. I mean, they look purple. Yeah. If I, if I suck millenatam, this is what people don't understand. Look at me and they're like, "Oh, he's taking millenatam." No, I'm not. Like, if I was taking that, you'd know I would take that. I would be purple. Yeah. Doesn't it make your eyes more blue or something? I saw a guy that was really into peptides. He was actually one of the people that trained me early on in 2015, '16. And I saw him at a peptide conference. And he walked in the room and his eyes were. Oh, he had red eyes. His blue eyes were bulging out. His skin was purple. I was like, "He's been testing his own product." Yeah. Millenatam1 or maybe Millenatam2. So yes, that is a peptide. That's a 13-chain peptide. The hormone it comes from, the AMSH hormone, that's responsible for anti-inflammatory skin pigmentation. That's a 13-chain millenatam1 and 10- is a 13-chain modified. Millenatam2 is a seven-chain modified PT-1 for 1 for libido, sexual health or erectile dysfunction. It is a seven-chain from that AMSH. And then KPF is at the end of the 13-chain. So it's three, which is really good for pro-inflammatory side-to-line, so inflammatory side-to-line, so fighting those. Because of that chain, I think it really helps good with skin inflammation. It helps you answer your question when you take it already, it helps you've got inflammation as well. So that list of peptides there, and actually we have one compound in Europe where it's got all of those in one capsule. So the KPFee, TB, GHKCU, you know, we have the erasotype, we have the full listing on captured. I really feel like, based on this conversation, there is a solution for almost everything, maybe not everything, but if you are struggling with something, there might be a peptide that can help. Is there anything that you have, I don't know, come across that a peptide can't fix? I mean, obviously, everybody is going to die, so peptide can't. I'm not quite there yet. I haven't prevented death yet. No, I've never found that one. I mean, as I said, I work with healthy people to make my healthier, longevity, anti-aging, prevention to a degree. So there's lots of peptides in medical research at the moment, deep in medical research. PNC27, that's for cancer. So that's been research at the moment. I mean, what, the one peptide we haven't discussed today, and so I digress a lot, but there's a peptide called ARA290. That's an 11 chain amino acid. And that has been shown to regenerate and fix nerves. And there's been human studies on this. This is the conspiracy part, maybe. But you take ARA290, it's been loads of human studies since early 2000s, 2010, where people were struggling very badly for nerve pain. And this has regenerated and fixed their nerves. Let's not block it, like some of the medication we take is fixed it. And the studies have just stopped on it. Yeah, that's when you know something sketchy is going on. I didn't say otherwise. Yeah. Let's not get this video taken down. Is it any other ones we've not mentioned? I think we've mentioned MOTC. MOTC, I spoke about that at the beginning. But it's a really good peptide super potent for mitochondria health, energy. It's an exercise mimetic and really good. But has to be taken very, very carefully, can trigger mass cells and histamine reaction. It even seemed not mycline, but people going to anaphylactic shock. So it shouldn't be treated like another peptide. So just make sure you work with something that knows what they're doing. And if the person can solve you in this peptide, tell us you take it every day or five days on for six weeks, don't, well, because they don't understand peptides at a deeper level. And some people, and people listening to this would probably say, "Can MOTC's it's trending or some people would have done?" And I'd say, "I've been great. I took it for six weeks. I was fine. Great." Wait till the next cycle and the cycle and the cycle after that. That's what you need to be careful because you're creating that compounded effect. And that your immune system is protecting you. So the mass cell, that's what mass cells do, right? They're like bodyguards to your immune system. So if you keep poking them, eventually something might happen. So be really careful with MOTC. Okay. So just one thing which I want to clear just for myself is there's three ways to take them. There's the injections, there's the pill form, and then there's also nasal. I'm curious to know why some are specifically needed to be taken in a particular way. I mean, I know the stuff for the brain, it makes sense because it's just going to, anything you take, nasal lead just goes straight to the brain. But the pill and the injection will it get to a point where everything could be in pill form or do it not just work like that. There's always, you know, it's 2026. There's always people looking for new methods to try and get away from doing subcutaneous injection. Subcutaneous injection for systemic effects seems to be the best way at the moment. Anything for the gut orally. Anything for the brain intranasal. And of course you've got the topical cream as well. All I'd say to people that are out there looking at all these new sort of delivery mechanisms or methodologies that are taking like sublingual peptides and what have you. I'm sure they have some efficacy, there's some good people that I aspire to or have a good reputation promoting these sort of products. But until the $30 billion insulin industry is not using it, it's probably not that effective. Yeah. Okay. And then one choice I was talking about, the NAD, that's not a peptide. That's not a peptide, no. So that's, is it commonly grouped into mistakenly so, you know, one of my frustrations. So NAD plus is a coincide. There is a level of signaling molecule to it, but it's not a peptide, doesn't have any amino acids. And again, when we see these peptide cheat sheets all over the internet and they're talking about on my peptide protocol, I'm doing NAD plus. Nice. That's just like an immediate red flag that you have a clue. You don't know what I'm talking about. They do the same at SLU, PP332, which is an exercise mimetic. And they do it 5 amino1MQ or a doctor this morning, actually, renting on Instagram, saying people, you know, misturning these peptides 5 amino1MQ and they're saying, you know, this peptide doesn't work like this. It's not a peptide. It doesn't even have amino acids in it. And that's what frozen because it's called 5 amino. They think it's got amino acids in it, doesn't it? It just needs to do some research, have some knowledge and not just throw things out there because other people are talking about it. And then from just your, you're obviously an expert in this field. You have almost been a guinea pig for yourself and trying to see what works, what's not working. What is your current protocol, the ones that you like personally for yourself? Yeah, I'd say at the moment because, you know, we're in the winter essentially. So thymus now for one, which is the immune optimizing peptide. I've been taking that on and off for seven years around when I travel or season, or depending if I'm in the UK or Dubai. I've not been sick sick where I've been wiped out with a sickness or proper bug since 2018. So we're pushing photos in the summer of 2018. So we're pushing, that was when I was in Bangkok. So we're pushing for eight years. I was tested positive for COVID, but I just had an achy quad. Yeah. So that was an odd one. So yeah, so I really put that down to one of the, along with Lycelle calls. I put that down to one of the reasons why I haven't got sick sick touch wood. Every time I talk about this, I'm, well, I'm tempted to play. So that's something you've been taking every winter. Pretty much. Yeah, all round travel, you know, even to some room traveling into different climates. So I just take myself personally again. This is not advice. I take 1.5 milligrams three times a week or every other day if I'm going to travel when I get to the destination, I run the same sort of pro to go into a leave and go back to my home country. And that seems to have helped because that's 10 to 20. It may sense because I look back to the times when I've been ill and it's always around these periods of travel. I literally like after being on a long haul flight or something. And particularly in the winter, especially I feel like in Dubai, everything would be okay, but the fact that everybody from Europe comes to Dubai in the winter. They bring all their germs and illnesses with them and just spread them to everyone. And I end up getting it. Absolutely. So that's the lights. Yeah, when you're on the flights and everyone coughing and stuff. Yeah. Anything else? Which is not really. Yeah, so I'm running a LL 37 at the moment. I said 30 say 37 Chinese amino acid. You run that with thymus and alpha one. You shouldn't take it on its own because it's so strong. It can have a almost have a negative effect on the immune system. It's the closest thing to an antibiotic in a peptide form and that's antimicrobial and sort of cleans the germs. I took that for a few days. I actually felt like a detox in a bit on it so I stopped that. And since I've been here, deep sleep inducing peptide spray and of course, CMax and select for all podcasts. Yeah. Nice. So is there. Is there been any horror stories or maybe sketchy incidents you've experienced with patients people you spoke to or even with yourself? Myself, no. I mean, the LL 37, I felt like I was going for a bit of a detox in process. So I stopped that because I just felt, you know, your detox feel dirty or just, I didn't like that. So I stopped that immediately. Again, again, intuition. Yeah. You know, sometimes you've got, you know, remember we're trying to optimize. That might mean I've got so deeper to evaluate at some point, but just not right now. I think the worst things I've seen personally with clients that I've worked with, I've got a lot of horror stories and doctors and what have you. But from clients, I've worked with a histamine responses to grow for most accretargogs. So they've started. This is before I had the knowledge I was taking the of the CJC versus Tessa Rellon and why CJC might create a histamine response over Tessa and Rellon and CJC 1295 I was taking. It was building muscle burning fat mixed with Iprom Rellon. No problem. And then I had one client take it and they got quite a few nodules, quite a few lumps, which you can get. These, these just pass. And then the next day they took it and then this carried on for five days on two days off and the following week they took it and they took a CJC injection around the right side and all the injection points came up where they've been previously injecting. All these lumps started popping up. Interesting. And I was like, whoa, I haven't seen that before. This was quite a while ago and then I understood it was just a complete muscle response. And the peptides, it's not the peptide, it's the individual. Now, if you've got your, you know, D.O.A enzymes and the optimal, you've got leaky garden, taking these sort of more histamine type response peptides, they're going to create a response because you're not healthy enough to take them or your gut's not in good enough position to take them. So we always start with the calming peptides, the lower peptides, the test and run and KPV's really good place to start, depending on who I'm working with. Yeah. So I think that'll answer your question. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, then to wrap up, this all sounds very interesting and promising, even for me, I'm like, whoa, what should we get started with? For the average person, or the person who's listening, is this something that they could take into their own hands and assuming they're purchasing good quality peptides, they can just start experimenting with themselves or go to a professional and have a discussion with them and maybe even show them some blood work and be like, hey, what do you think would be the best course of action for me? Yeah, it's that. I really just don't think most people can take this into their own hands. No, it's not going to end well. No, sorry, I was in the right. But it'd be really irresponsible of me to say the people by peptides from a trussiest source was that injecting yourself. It doesn't make sense. But also, just do your research on the person that you're going to be working with. These are non-medical professionals, but by all means, work with medical professionals, but make sure they have real experience. There's lots of good doctors in all the regions in the UAE, in, I'll say lots, is one or two in Europe, one or two in the UK, a few here. Reach out to me and I can direct people. I do the peptide education discovery calls, so I help people understand more about peptides and the education that I'd learn for them to go on as a guide. Then if they want to ultimately do a medical professional, then I can direct them to different doctors to work with, with their preference. I can tell them the blood data I like to see. The reason why we're looking at blood data is not to test for their peptide levels, it's to test the potential efficacy of the peptide. For this peptide probably won't work so well for you because you've got your leaky gut or your hormone during balance. Your kidneys are not functioning optimally, even though they don't affect your liver and kidneys. They have to have the clearance. They have to be able to this alcohol-electrical circuit, if it's not optimal, then these peptides are not going to work as well. There's just how you have to do your research. I think for me, when I consider who I'm actually going to take advice from, or maybe ask questions about, I will just look at their history and how long they've been in this game for. If they've dedicated a large chunk of their life to peptides studying it, experimenting with it, then I'm going to listen to that person versus the person who's literally just been starting to talk about it for the past six months or so. Absolutely. Awesome. Where do people find you? We have got Instagram is dean.e.henry, then we've got dnlabresearch, bioniclab.com, and also uapeptidesresearch.com. Is there physical places where people can go right now? I know there's spot and Ibiza. Spot and Ibiza are the moments for educational purposes. They come in and educate them and then they can go and buy the peptides. We're just going through some medical licensing there. Mostly for me, it's through online websites. Awesome. This has been amazing. I can't wait to turn into a superhuman in like a year or two. Even more superhuman. That's all we need. Thanks Mike. Thanks, mate. Thanks, have a me. [BLANK_AUDIO]