E1220 - Morrey Talks Love Is Blind, Joey Graziadei Returns, & DWTS Crazy Elimination

(upbeat music) - What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Wild Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick joint by my gorgeous sexy. Beautiful. - Co-host Jimmy. - Hey. - The host Jimmy is also here. He's also sexy, beautiful. - That far. - And very talented. - Thanks bro. - Let's get ahead of you guys. - We've got an absolutely jam packed episode lined up for you today kicking things off to wrap up our love is blind coverage. We got more. - Yeah, we do. - It's a man who feels like he has a lot to say. (laughing) - Yes. - And we thought it'd be a great way to wrap things up. Who knows what he might say. - I have a hunch. - It's a wild and fun interview. He'll be coming up shortly. We also have legend, bachelor icon, dancing with the stars champion and actor, leading man Joey Grazide. Catching up with him, just our good friend Joey to see what's going on in his life. Obviously talk about his movie career that is up and running and just catch up with him. He's got a wedding that he is planning, a lot going on in his life. It's always great to have Joey on and catch up with him and so he is also later this episode. In addition, don't go away because after today, we tomorrow have a very special episode. It's the special forces reunion season five. We did the special forces reunion last year. It was so much fun and it's an absolute great cast. It's, I know we didn't like cover a lot of special forces this season. It's kind of a tough show to recap. Obviously it's a show that's near and dear to my heart. It's such a special show and it just really just brings out so much of people's personalities that go on it. It's an incredible cast. We've got Alexia Umanski. We have Candace Cameron Bray. We've got Barns, David Sharpe, some Baywatch. Hannah Stocking, Alicia Baumgarner. Two-time boxing champion. And Colin Goslin. Squad. It's a great reunion. That's a squad right there. That's tomorrow. So you should have checked that out. It's a very, it's an emotional, it's a fun, it's a feel good episode. And it's a great, obviously there's so many people on this couch that I'm sure many of you want to know better and it's a great episode to do that with. So be sure to check that out. That comes out tomorrow. Very special Friday episode of the Wild Files. If you haven't listened to the going deeper episode that dropped yesterday with Sarah and Michaela, you are missing out. Chances are you listen to it. And it's a doozy. They obviously talk about all the things that happened on the excellent reunion. It was an incredible result. Of Love is Blind. They're best one yet. She'll shout out to Nick and Vanessa for delivering such a entertaining reunion. - When Nick looked at John and was like, "Man, a man, did you cheat on your wife?" And he was like, "I guess so, yeah." - Yeah, so, like, that was great. - Now listen, like Nick and Vanessa, they wanted an answer. As Sarah mentioned, they weren't, they were not gonna move on until they got John. - They started with it and spun back at the end. - Like, are you not ready? All right, we'll, we'll give back to you. - We'll give back to you. - We're coming back. - Just shout out to them. I'm really excited, guys. - For? - I'm in Sofia's book. - Oh, yeah, congrats. The name dropped, dude. - Yeah. - That's a plus. - I don't know. - That's a whole black right there. - I'm just kidding. Listen, it's nice to be invited to the party and be part of the conversation. - That's bad. - Can you just say no? - Even if it's like bad part of the conversation. - That, I mean, hey, listen. - What if the batter wasn't just misconstrued? - She said-- - She feels as though we piled on. - She feels as if the vial files into other podcasts. I don't remember the names. - Harry Josie was one of them. - I think Harry Josie was really-- - She's like, he works for Alex, I mean. - But-- - What does she expect? - But that they piled on during all this. So anything you want to say for yourself? - We gave an opinion about a very popular topic in pop culture, which is what we do. - Sorry, that's true. - That is true. That is what we do. - What is your take, Jim? - I think so. - I think Sofia looked crazy. - Wait, I actually, can you like give? I don't even know what you're honest. But like, you did the unwell. You worked under unwell. You worked for Alex. - I don't know. - Did he sign a contract says you have to agree with everything? - I don't know, but I'm curious. - I also just did a show with him yesterday. - Oh, yeah. - Do you feel a sense of like loyalty to them? - No, no, no, no, no. - Is there another show? - Yeah, like a YouTube dating kind of show thingy. - Okay. - I guess another one. Yeah, this is a little more like gimmicky more like three truths in a lie kind of kind of vibe. It was fun, but this isn't just because I've done unwell stuff. I think Sofia's a little nuts. I feel like she's a little desperate right now. - I just, what here is that I think I don't get. 'Cause like right now you're seeing a lot of outtakes from the book or interviews from Sofia. And it's a lot of like her spilling tea about how her and Alex moved when they were the call her daddy duo. And it's like the only reason she is spilling this tea is because she is no longer part of call her daddy. - She lost. - She's telling on herself in an effort to disparage Alex, but like this is what you guys did together. And if you were still part of call her daddy, we wouldn't be hearing about this. - Exactly, like she lost war. Like it didn't go her way. And now if it was like out of spite, she's trying to recover. - It's just like to spin it in her favor. - Two rich girls fighting over money. Which is why at the end of the day, I just don't. I think the biggest takeaway that people are talking about because now obviously so many people are reading the book, have read the book is like they were obviously best friends and business partners. And she found out like through their mutual lawyer that she was no longer using their joint lawyer. She found new counsel and Alex did. And she found out that Alex was getting paid way more money than her and Alex like never, that was like never told. - Sure. - And so I think she just felt like, you know, this was my friend, I'm like completely blindsided that like she's been making all this more money than me. And I guess like to Alex's defense, it's like well wasn't Alex doing all the work but wasn't she like marketing and editing and. - Question I wanna pose to you guys in the audience. Well, however you feel about this, especially if you're leaning towards like empathizing with Sophia. If you did a podcast, I'm just saying. But for anyone list, if you did a podcast with a friend, but most of your friendship was based off of this podcast, right? And you are essentially co-workers and you built up a really great show. And in doing that show, there was probably disagreements and you know, as people say don't work with your friends, yada yada yada. And if you felt that your co-host slash friend was making decisions and moves that you didn't agree with. And then at some point, the person who actually owned the show that you wanted to get, which was Dave, gave you an opportunity because you thought your friend was making decisions that was ultimately ruining the chance at your show. What would you do? You know what I'm saying? - Thank you. - What would you do? - You're handing me the IP, business is cruel world. I don't wanna say it's a doggy dog world but like business is business. - And it does pose the question like if Rose were reversed, do we think Sophia would have been like, no. - I don't know if she would say no. It seems like Sophia was prioritizing the friendship and the relationship almost like in a naive way and Alex is a shark and always has been a shark. And she was thinking business entrepreneur might set the entire time. And she was like, I'll do whatever I gotta do to become like famous and rich. - But also think about like Alex made the right decision 'cause again, a big part of this conversation when they were negotiating was when they didn't think they could get the IP. But if they weren't gonna get the IP from Dave, part of their plan was just to leave the Call Her Daddy name and IP and start over. Which is essentially what Sophia ended up doing with Sophia with an F. But they did, they were having discussions about, I think they even had a name picked out about what their new show would be, yada, yada, yada. That essentially happened. And what happened? Call Her Daddy's gotten even bigger. One of the biggest podcasts in the world, Alex has made millions of dollars. And Sophia, her show is an afterthought. When Call Her Daddy, when they left, it's not like Alex replaced Sophia with another girl to do the same thing. Alex was like, all right, now I own this IP. What am I gonna do with it? And she turned it into this interview show interviewing some of the biggest celebrities in the world and the show got even bigger. And Sophia, she still had her cloud. She still had her name and her, her, you know, they were a little motion. She had a, you know, and nothing happened from that. Which only goes to show how valuable the IP was and how valuable that feed, you know, and so, you know what I'm saying? So like, the entire time it feels like Alex was only loyal to Alex. And like, I don't blame her. Like you said, they planned on doing the blackmail thing today. Like she was gonna go team, team up with Sophia and go against Dave. And then Dave was like, well, she will give this to you. She's like, all right, bet. I'm loyal to myself here. Now I'm going against Sophia and it was, but I definitely expect Sophia to hate Alex. Yeah, like you're supposed to hate Alex for that. Like, I don't blame you for that. But I'm also gonna acknowledge that like this memoir is written out of spite. And what's crazy is like people are asking her, you know, like would you ever be friends with her again? And her answer is yes. And her answer is like, yes, if we're able to have this our destination. And she knows what she's trying to do for the pub. She's trying to get her out of show like you should, you should hate her. You should never want it. She does hate her. Like you should never want this person who betrayed you and hurt you and did the long list of things that she did to you ever in your close circle again. You should never want to trust this person again. And the fact that you're like, yeah, I think we could be friends again. If like we have just like leaving the door open for the public to be like, oh, maybe they can rekindle and have a reunion. It's fucking performative as shit. It's a dishonest performative answer. And if that's how Sophia moved, If I'm Alex, I would be like, that would be. - Right. - Prustrate. - Sophia was wronged and like, you have every right to feel wrong and feel this type of way and like, hold spite and animosity towards Alex Cooper, where then we're also gonna acknowledge that. - But yeah, also about telling on yourself and Alex how you guys moved and all these kind of shady ways. I mean, this is, listen, this is a classic debate of who's the asshole. (laughing) And they're probably both kind of the asshole. Yeah, like in business and gets, like we've talked about, he gets. - And one person, really one, and the other person's still rich. - Yeah, right. (laughing) - It is great drama to talk about. - I would say it's funny sometimes being a guy. I feel like I'm eavesdropping on girl beef 'cause like watching girls beef, it's just different than the way guys beef. So, I'm sorry. Sophia's had like an army of people that are like, defining her name right now. I'm not sure. - I think it's just really fun. Because listen, Alex Cooper has been in the news a lot lately for a lot of things. She doesn't want to be in the news. And she, again, she's on top. We love to see the people on top fall. And good for Sophia for timing the release of her book at a time where it seems to be fun for the internet to pile on Alex. And again, it's not that Alex hasn't done things that maybe she shouldn't have done or whatever, but it's just all like, again. - Yeah, I mean, I feel some type of way about a lot of the stuff Alex has done too, but the timing of this is convenient, you know? - I mean, it's also, people are like, I guess, Tamron Hall asked her, like, would you have her on your podcast? And Sophia's like, - Of course. - Of course. - Yeah, you would, like, duh. - But she's like, but only if Alex is willing to be honest. You have two different versions of the story. She doesn't agree with your version, you know what I'm saying? Like, this is a class, you know, when people are like, my truth, like, yeah, they both have their truth. And certainly the truth is probably somewhere in the middle as it often is, but like, you guys, it's not, she doesn't agree with you. And obviously, I don't even think that, like, they're, - But I think we can acknowledge that what Alex did to Sophia at the bare minimum was fucked up. And her stealing, like, the unwell, that was like, known to be Sophia's thing, making it her whole brain. - It was part of the, it was the IP, the IP owns the show. It was, - No, unwell, the term unwell, it's something that, that was like Sophia's thing. - See, that's what I'm saying. - She would say it on the show. - I don't know. - I'm just showing well and then they went with it. - But here's the thing, which, you know, from business, if you work for Microsoft and you come up with an idea and Microsoft makes a zillion dollars, it's not your idea, it's Microsoft. - And you can still say that was fucked up of Microsoft. I think you can still, - I guess, surely. - That's like, oh god. - You can still acknowledge that like, maybe Alex is a shark, maybe she's selfish and only cares about herself and like, is business as business. And that's like all fair to say, but it's also like, she fucked over her friend. And at the end of the day, also like a shitty thing to do. - And that's why I say every loss is a lesson because you take that and you learn from that and you don't do it again the next time and you protect your IP. - I just wonder what most people would do if they were in Alex's shoes in that moment. And if they felt like, and if you felt like your partner was making decisions that was ruining this massive show that you created and was on the verge of leaving that IP to start over and then you had an opportunity to own the whole thing yourself, what would you do? - I mean, I think a lot of people would probably go to their friend and be like, hey, listen, he's offering us the IP, let's stay another year. And then we can take it somewhere else. - I think at that point, and again, and this is me like hearing Alex's version from years ago is like, there was a ton of back and forth. And at this point, they started disagreeing about what they should do. And there was a lot of like, fighting between the two of, or disagreeing between Alex and Sophia, once like, once they weren't getting what they wanted as a team, they started having different ideas about how they should move forward. And that's how things verged. And at that point, it was like, I guess I gotta do things for me. - It's like the merry couple that gets divorced and one person gets to keep the kids and the other person kind of just like living like a condo or something somewhere else. - Get them every other weekend. (laughing) - Yeah, I mean, the fascinates, I mean, yeah. And it's so big because like, when Alex signed that, signed that Spotify deal, whether you are in the podcast industry or listened to podcasts, everyone was like, wait. This kind of money's involved them. It was like, it was such a big deal. And that's why it's stuck in there with Sophia. - Everyone's so fascinated with it because it was unheard of money at a time where, and they're at the center of it. - So I mean, but do you have a sympathy for Alex Earl? Or are you like, listen, business, business? - Well, from what I know about that story, I probably more team Earl, you know? - Oh, definitely. - Well, I mean, Alex Cooper again is loyal to herself. So like, she does things in a way that can shade others. Like, when she had Alex Earl, come on, we saw on the Netflix documentary and she like got her super fucked up. This was like right after college and she's like trying to realize all like the success that she started to find on social media. And Alex Cooper took advantage of her like early in her career. - Yeah, it seems kind of shady. - It's fucked up. - I know like Alex Cooper stand. I just, in this particular scenario, I'm more like, you know? - Right. - I kind of agree with Alex Cooper. - It was like, I agree with Alex Earl. And then now I'm agree with Alex Cooper. So does that put like Sophia at the bottom of the totem pole? Or does she jump? - I'm sure there's going to be more people that these women fight with and then we're going to see. - And the day point is just like, sip a tea by the sea, you know what he says? - Oh, what's, he hasn't done any of that stuff and people have kind of like been calling him out because he's been covering. He does his like tea by the sea, you know? Where he does his like random takes on Bravo stuff and he talked a lot about the Amanda and West situation and now everyone's like, where are you? You know, like, what are you doing? - Why are you quiet now? - And he's, well, he's, - That's stuff, there's a whole podcast episode on the Call of Her Daddy Feed of. Like, when this all went down, Dave took over the show and was like, these girls, and he's like, he recorded his own episode on the Call of Her Daddy Feed and told the story. I mean, he's told, they've told the story a million times. It's out there. It's for anyone to listen to. He wrote a book about it. How many more, how many more? - Well, he's on, I mean, he's, he did the toast, I guess. And so like, I'm curious what, why, first like, why he chose to do the toast, which is not a bar stool? - He commented on that. He said, he said, you know, 'cause a lot of bar stool fans were like, why didn't you do a bar stool? He's like, well, one, and they referenced chicks in the office, which is like, you know, the bar stool show that talks a lot about the stuff. He's like, one, chicks in the office aren't really covering it all that much too. And this particular topic, I'm not looking for people to agree with me. And I'm not looking for like a bar stool show just to like, ask me questions that everyone's gonna interpret as like, hey, you work for bar stool. He was looking for people who were fair. And he mentioned that he thought the toast was more like, honestly, leaned more teams to fair. Sophia, but he likes the toast and he thought the women on the toast were fair. And he just wanted a fair conversation and an opportunity to like, because. - I appreciate that as a viewer that he doesn't want to inject, I mean, obviously he's going to inject his bias, but he doesn't want to do it via his own show. - Yeah, he was, he wanted to talk to Claudia and Jackie, who were like, it sounds like on their coverage, seemed to side more with Sophia. But also thought they were fair. And he was like, yeah, let's, let's have, let's have them ask people's questions. - Not a reminds me of the Nathan further documentary. (laughing) - Everything comes back to you, you can see everything. - Yeah. - Well, speaking of films, have you seen all the discourse about who's gonna be the next James Bond? - I have seen a little bit. I don't really know, the thing I remember the most when I hear about this stuff is just how much as fans, we don't really, we don't see the vision that some of these people who make these moves. I remember when Daniel Craig was casted as James Bond. And I remember thinking, him? - No way. - Really? The guy from, the guy from road to perdition with Tom Hanks, he was the bad guy and road to perdition. He played the kind of this creepy kind of evil guy. And that was kind of like my vision of him. And I was like, really, Daniel Craig, what an awful choice. He's like the best bond. - I can't. - That's the only James Bond I remember. - I remember when Heath Ledger was casted as the Joker in thinking, really? - That pretty boy? - That's how I felt about Robert Pattinson as the Batman. - Yeah. - I was like, there's no way to keep you. - There's no way you can do it. - The guy's a twilight team. - And he was Edward? - Awesome. - You know? - And then he, it's still in, so when this stuff comes up, I'm more like, you know, they're gonna, they know what to do. - Yeah, I'm gonna trust them. - You know. - I'm gonna defer to the experts here. - But who are the people there who is up for it? - It's the ones that kind of keep getting like brought up. I think there's probably more, but the ones that keep getting brought up is Josh O'Connor and Callum Turner. It was Josh O'Connor. - He was a skinny guy. - He was in a, I'm sorry. - Well, we just looked at what was he in? - He was in, he was in Challengers. He played Prince Charles in the Crown, King Charles in the Crown. - Is it like the rules of James Bond? They have to be British. They have to be, like, you can't have- - I put on a British accent for you. - Put on a British accent. They have to be. - Wait, British actors can play American characters. We can play British actors. - Let's keep that to the brits. (laughing) - Let's, let's, let's, let the brits have- - Not everyone has greater projects. - Ah, Kapu's out of Bo-O-Wah. - I think- - That was brutal. - Fuck. - I like the terrible accent. - What did you say? - I was inquiring about a Bo-O-Wah. - Hello. - Hello, God-Nut. - Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. - I wasn't seeing Crumpus love. - It's a pretty easy. - Hello, darling. - Baby. - The unspoken rules. - Can you speak, can you, in the next 30 seconds, can you give 60 minutes of Nally the Brit? 60 seconds. - Oh my God. - 60 minutes. - 60 seconds, sorry, I meant. - So, casting for Jamie Bond is the actor must be young enough to headline a multi-film saga, spanning a 10 to 15 year period. This usually rules out actors in the early mid-40s or older. They cannot be too famous. Produces genuinely avoid casting major, globally overexposed a-listers. The nationality, the role goes to British actor. or someone from like, I can do it. - Wait, can you deliver the not me, not Hermione, you, Harry? (laughing) - Not me, not you. - No, what's so funny is when I was a kid, my sister, I looked so much like Emma Watson and I looked like Hermione Granger as a kid and my sister would make me do a British accent and like perform for all of her friends. - Is that how you learned it? Like from Harry Potter? How do you get so good at your? - Yes. - That was no. In a different life, now I could be a very talented actress. - I could see, I actually didn't comprehend a word you said when you were talking about, I was just locked in on the accent. - When I would do, like, I get the occasional audition and she would reliance with me. - You should go for this part, actually. - I'd be like, it would say, it's so defeating to have the person to read lines with you. Be it insanely better than you at acting. - Let me do it, let me actually audition for this role. - That's crazy, that's hilarious. - That's crazy. - All right, dancing with the stars, it was a controversial ending to the show. - R.I.P, Jenna Dewan and Val. - They were too good. - She kind of made it. - Is this the rise of a conspiracy theory? - She kind of said, like, you know, the outside, she talked about like the outside noise playing a part or if it does play a part, but I don't know. I feel like people kind of moved on from it and it was in the, I don't know what train it is, but I'm on some conspiracy train. I feel like they were either too good or there was hate voting going on. - But also too good people with Harry, Jenna Dewan. - The people with professional background dancing. The people with professional dancing background. - But even more, it looks like great, you know, like, she's one of the people, like, there's a, you know, right, that are like every time the dance, you're like to him. But Jenna and Val were just so dynamic and just like, you, they were mussy. - Yeah, they were so good. Like, I couldn't like do anything multitasking while watching them. I had to be locked in while watching them. But she looks like an actual pro when she dances. - Yeah, and Val is incredible in his own right. - Here's just shocking to see. - Just did not expect that. - Yeah. - Who was your favorite dance of the night? - I mean, it was, it was Jenna and Val. Like, they're always my favorite. - It's fun to watch Connor dance, it's fun to watch him. - Be like kind of silly, I don't know, just, 'cause he's silly inherently. So when he, when he like, you know, let's loose. - I think it's fun 'cause you like see so much growth with Connor, you know, like, you really can see, like that first week, he, first couple weeks. Like, he was really bad. - Yeah. - Well, you were rooting for him. And now I feel like he's actually, he's pretty good. And like, they're dancing, I mean, Riley's incredible. They're, they really had me from Halloween, before and nights, like that, they, I'm on like the corner with you right now. You know, it goes really good. - I also think Tatiana is getting better and better and better and better, and better each week. So she's really, I felt like she finally, like, you felt her excitement with her dance. - Yeah, she's like a swag to her knowledge of confidence. - Yeah, we're before it was like, she wasn't sure how she did when she finished the dance, where I feel like this week she knew she crushed. - I really liked the dance offs too, which I feel like is something we've always kind of, like wanted is like, oh, what if they all danced the same dance and then we could really judge, you know, who was the best. And it was like having the dance offs was fun. - I thought it was gonna be like a, you got served type of dance off, where they're like, really like going at it, like probably getting each other's face. - Yeah, that's what I thought was gonna be like a real dance back. - You know what, I step up. She would have really-- - Yeah, like stomped the yard by just something. That would have been sick. - But even like speaking of, like watching Conor and Riley versus Moran Mark, like I don't know what it was, but Conor and Riley was just so fun. And like I just couldn't stop watching them. And like more, I don't know-- - They were like, I guess it wasn't a salsa, but they were like doing like a little like two step, like rodeo kind of vibe and it was fun, but I was watching them and I actually didn't even really get to see what was going on the other side. - So why do we think people are turning on Moran? - I don't know that 'cause, you know, that's just kind of like the chatter I've seen online is like that they're like why I guess is Moran still here? Like I think she started so strong and she's kind of slowly like decline, which I feel like it should be the other way. And she just, there's like the conspiracy theories of she's having all these injuries in her packages, but when she dances, it's like she pushes to the pain, you know? And it's like, is that a way of like getting-- - Yeah, I feel like it's backfiring. - Like the sympathy vote. But yeah, it's almost people are like, is it reverse, reverse like-- - It's getting so competitive now. And it's hard to separate, you know, who should be vote for, who's better. I think, you know, when you have, I think these are with like 15, 14 companies. - Yeah, there are a lot of people this year. - You know, and I think it's easier to kind of weed out people who are, you know, the stronger competitors versus the people you don't think so. But now it's like, everyone now is a fan favorite on the own, right? They all have their like dedicated fan base. And everyone's kind of looking for their edge. And I wonder-- - What's their story line? - Yeah, I feel like people are thinking, "Oh, this is your edge that you're trying to make it a thing." - Well, it's also getting so like cutthroat. Like everyone who's still, you know, everyone is so good. And everyone has such strong fan bases that it's like, maybe they are getting desperate of like, how can we-- - The real drama, that what I would want to know, that I know exists, is that like this, it's highly competitive, especially amongst the pros. And I guarantee you, there is a group chat of some kind amongst the people who are on the show, having disagreements and theories about Mora and Mark. - Definitely. - Yeah. - There's some chatter behind the scenes. - Like, there's some chatter about like the injury or hollage showed or things like that. It's-- - I saw her grab the other side yesterday. I thought it was the other rib. - It's a very competitive, very-- - They had gin, they showed gin aflux, 'cause obviously they had some of the OC Mormon wives on to like promote it in Alfonso's like talking to gin and he's like, so what can we expect from, you know, what's the difference between OC and Utah or something and she's like, a lot of beaches, a lot of sunshine, a lot of, it's like, I guess, like that is the difference between OC and Salt Lake City, Utah for sure. But I think we were talking about the show. - It comes out today, it comes out today. - I can't wait to see what Bobby all tough we get. I can't wait to see, not change subject here, but-- - Oh, who of this OC cast would you want to see on Dancing with the Stars next season? 'Cause there will be one. - Bobby, for sure. Bobby, for sure. I want to see her try to dance. Although this Thrupple situation is fast. - Yeah, I think I'm with Aspen. I think, yeah, the Thrupple is interesting. She's, I think I want to see Aspen on it. I can't believe she was the one that convinced they're already well-established couple to do the Secret Life's Murmawaiz Orange County. She was the one who convinced them that we should air our Thrupple on TV. - Well, they were already kind of doing it online. - Oh, where they? - Yeah. - Who are the people left now? We got Tatiana and Jan. We got Harry Shum, we got Mora. - Amber Glenn. - Amber Pasha and Ezra. - Connor and Ezra. And what is Kalshi saying about who are, who are they predicting goes home next? - Ezra's got to be the favorite to win it right now. - Let's share a little screen just to see. - I bet Mora's still, I bet Mora's still probably at the bottom of the toilet. - I don't usually call she kind of like, if we feel like their people are turning, actually turning on someone, it usually is represented on Kalshi pretty well. - Yeah. - Oh, let's see, let's see. - Yep, Ezra's still in a lead. - All right, Ezra's stock. - So what is this? - Down four, but at 58%. - This is for the winner, dancing with the stars, season 35 winner according to Kalshi. - Who's got the lowest odds and third? - Yeah, I think Connor has like a secret attack. I think he, - I think his podcast and his content, like amidst the show airing, is playing very well in his favor, because people see how just like funny and like lighthearted he is. So then when he actually like takes this seriously, I think people are really appreciate that. - He's also got those pants. And I think it's pretty good to, you know, to trade on those pants. - Does pants be shaken? - Does it have, can I, who's going home next? Is there a prediction for that? - Or just who's in last place to win it, I guess. - Okay, so here's episode 11 elimination odds. - So you got Tati and I went 41%, Morah Higgins at 34%. - Ooh, I tried. - And then basically the field is 11%. So that means I would almost be shocked if it's not Tatianna or Morah, who goes home. - Yeah, I wonder, I feel like Tatianna has such a, like she is trying to put on the season that has gained so much support and love. And also she wore that suit last night - She wore the suit. - With the black eyed peas. - And will I am was there? So I don't know. But I'm rooting for everybody, but yeah. - I'm definitely trading on either the field or Morah. - I think, I think is one or two, how many people are left? One or two people are going home. How many finalists? - I think it's four. So there probably will be two people going home unless they do something. - So four make it to the finale? - Yeah. - So what is your confidence that it won't be Tatianna and Morah going home? - There's no way two girls get voted off. I just feel like they wouldn't do that. - Six couples in the semi. - And the semi final, there's six couples. - And there's four in the finale. - Yes. - Okay, and I just feel like they wouldn't vote two girls off. - At this point, I don't know if it really, then if, well, you're saying it like there is a conspiracy theory. Yeah, I'm on the conspiracy trade and I don't know which I think I'm on all the trains. I mean I trust what She says I feel like they haven't been wrong. So like, yeah, I think they were wrong about it. It's not call she it's the people. Right. Well, predicting who the people were wrong. We're wrong about Tyler. Like the like two weeks in a row, he had like the highest odds to be voted off. Well, but one of them didn't eliminate anyone. Just saying it was wrong. I'm going to go, I think I think I think Tatiana is going to stay. I think Tatiana is going to stay. I think Mara is going to be gone. Me too. She gave it a good run. But if they eliminate it too, I just, I could see Harry and Mara. I try to, do you guys maybe think that Harry is, Harry is too good in the way that almost Jenna, exactly. And it was too good in the way that it's not as exciting to see them be as talented as we already know they are. I thought Harry was going to go the way that Jenna went where it says, but maybe I'm underestimating the grades in the enemy fanbase. We're the Glee fanbase. But I think they're not talking about Glee because then we would be reminded that he's already a professional. You know who I saw yesterday morning. I had Jones. He's what's a lady chanting Tatum. I saw a chain Tatum. Why didn't you tell me this? Did you ask if he was voting Jenna? I didn't get a chance to talk to him. I don't know. I didn't even see who he was with. But yeah, what kind of hairstyle was he rocking? Did he have a scruff going on or anything? He was just chilling, man. He was just like, he was like, he was like, he was getting a morning coffee with his lady. Were they sitting outside or inside? They're just walking on the sidewalk. They just walked past. I was like, would you say you saw him on the eighth avenue drinking a smoothie and you paid him no mind? I did. I paid him no mind. Another dude in the corner is going for him and the call she odds mean. He is like, he is a viral. He is a viral, viral man. Yeah. All of his podcast clips too, like he's, I am a part of the ship train too. We are all shipping him in Riley, which probably isn't right to Riley's boyfriend, but I think that's helping his case here. She has a boyfriend. She has a boyfriend who plays for USC and she's always on a little private jet going to his games, but for her. And I have my own way on a private jet too. Well, you got it. Well, I know we're going to be trading on. It sounds like Mora and Tatiana for possibly not making the finals. And if you want to make a trade yourself, predicting what you think is going to happen the rest of the way I'd dance with the stars, you got to check out call she whether it's dance with the stars or bird, basically anything you want to make a prediction on. You can find it on call she. If you want to check out this market or see what else people are trading on, use our call she link in the description and pinned comment trade $25 and you will receive $5. So go put your money where your predictions are and make a little, make a little change by, you know, having confidence in who you are rooting for and dancing with the stars. All right. Well, it's time to get to some of our main attractions. We got Mora coming up next to round things out and the love is blind world. And if you thought there was nothing left to talk about, well, you were wrong because Mora has got a lot to say. All right, guys, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I have to give you your prolonged birthday gift and you'll appreciate this because it was inspired by a conversation we had on air when we were keeking together one time and I just say I love your man purse. Thank you. It's actually a tote bag, but I'll take the compliment. Remember when Victoria was on the episode and she got you a, you know what, just here, here's your present, brother. Happy birthday. Oh, cute. And as a bear span, you know how hard that was. That's love. That's real love. I got you your singular oven mitt. There you go. I'm going to make you a steak. Well, he does need to say he's both. Yeah, why do people give one oven mitt? Well, now you got to get to get the packer one. That's why they give one. That's great, Jimmy. I have worth it. All right. Mori. Mori, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to have you, man. Well, let's just start with your, like, your best friends with Rob. Yeah. So we've been hard on Rob. I don't know if you've heard any of our commentary. I think, I think rightfully so. Okay. Well, why give us, give us the best case of why maybe we should give Rob some grace if any. Well, if I was you guys, I wouldn't be giving my grace, right? You know what you see on the show and that's kind of it. So I honestly think, like, at the same time, like, he made his bed. He's got to lay in it a little bit here. So I don't think it's unwarranted, especially from like the audience from what they've seen. All I can really speak to is my experiences, right? So between us, like, I know like a lot of people are kind of getting on me for like not holding Rob accountable at the reunion. I held Rob accountable, man to man, me and him sitting down having a conversation. Rob is one of my best friends. And so over the last 18 months, he's been a really good friend of me. And he's been awesome. And I've never seen him behave that way. I also wasn't at the meetup and I wasn't at the meet the friends. So I saw those at the same time you guys did. And then we had a conversation about it. And I'm not gonna sit here and defend his meet, meet the friends or anything like that. But all I can say is over the last 18 months, he's been one of my best friends and been a really good friend of me. But it's also something like I won't tolerate either. Just to clear the air here, like I mean, Rob had a man to man conversation where I did hold an accountable. And I wanted to hear what he had to say. How did he handle that accountability? I think as well as you can, right? Because one, like, being in that experiment, it's crazy. But watching it back, like, he must have felt like the biggest piece of shit of all time. And I think he kind of needed it to see it. You know, like, it's almost like shock therapy where like you're going to rub his face in it a little bit where I think it's going to help him long term. But I've also seen the steps he's taking post show. Like he is similar to me where like you call it like the fake tough guy act whatever, but it's like this hard exterior where like it's not easy for a guy like me or him to say we're in therapy or anything like that. And so for him to say that, like, I didn't even know, you know, like I was like, Oh, shit. And other than that, like, he's really stepping away from the booze. And you can see he looks a lot better. I used to call him Rob the blob. He's lost a lot of weight. He looks great. Like, he's really, he really is working on himself. And there's work to be done. Like, he's not perfect. But I do think from my experience, he is a really good friend of me. And I have held him accountable. And it wasn't my job to hold him accountable on the reunion. You know, I didn't ask the questions. They came to me and and I answered the best I could. You also were able to hold Scott and John accountable. That fucks human. That dude's a piece of shit. Who's it? Which one? So shoom and the fucking moron. The other thing with it with John too, though, like, I didn't really hold him accountable. They came to me. I didn't really say much. Like I called him a piece of shit, but I didn't. They kept trying to get details out of me. I was never gonna air anyone out. I was never gonna say anything like that. I do get like, I was reactionary. But like, I don't get to choose my reactions. They have been pretty instantaneously. So like, something was said. And I'm like, it's just how I reacted in that situation. So I get coming to me in that moment. But I didn't even really, I just said what I thought. Like, it wasn't like I was like, you need to take accountability for your actions. Like, you're a fucking piece of shit. And I still believe that. And that's just kind of what it was. I had no plan. Like somebody asked me, like, were you preparing what you're gonna say? You think if I prepared, I'd be like, he pissed on a lottery ticket, you piece of shit. Like, I would have had like a nice pro speech right? Just two seconds of a reaction. And that's what it was. I didn't know when they were going to come to me to be honest with you. I did not know. The Taylor Swift of it all. Yeah, I got a fucking bone to pick with you guys. I saw the fucking clip. Take it. That you guys call me a performative swifty. Are you not? You got to prove you not? I'll go one-on-one with anybody. I commented on the TikTok. This is a chance for the engagement. She means a lot to me. She always has. It was like my sophomore year in high school. It was like something me and my dad kind of really connected over Taylor Swift was in my dad's eulogy. Like, it's not a fucking game. Okay. Okay. When I'm working the door, Lincoln, like, I've seen fucking guys come in and like a T-Swift T-shirt. I'll fucking quiz them. I made a guy turn his shirt inside out. I'm like, dude, this is not going to go the way you want it to. Like, they're going to ask you what your favorite album is. You can't even answer it. They're going to hate you. Just buy them a drink and be nice. Who was the other guy that talked about Taylor Swift? Fucking John, wasn't it? Like, from what I saw, he said, and he said his favorite songs are shake it off and bad blood. I was like, blank space or something. Yeah. Yeah. It's like being like, you know what, Drake's song really hits home for me. One dance. It's so beautiful. It's like what? Wait, so if I like to look what you made me do song? That's one that grows on you. That's a banger. It should get in a rabbit. Yeah. No, look, look what you made me do. You know what, that's from fucking Mean Girls. The movie? That beat. Yes. The beat from look what you made me do is from Mean Girls. That's what you just made me watch Mean Girls. That's where they got it. Let me ask you this. When you watched it back, how you presented your love for Taylor Swift on the show. Is that how it came out on the show? Because, King, you appreciate why us and maybe a lot of people on the internet are like, this motherfucker is like 100% 100%. I get what you're saying. So the one thing I would speak to that right is like me and Sarah have an conversation about music and it's kind of something we really connected over, which is important to me. Like if you're a day and somebody who doesn't, like you can't listen to this. It's fucking crazy. I'm like, what are you doing? But, uh, and we have a very similar taste and she brought up Cardigan. I wasn't like, I didn't bring up Cardigan and then tell the story. She was like, I love Cardigan. I was like, Oh, fuck me, too. Do you know Betty Augustine Cardigan, like the triangle and she didn't. I wasn't like, I fucking like, it's not one of the moves I do at the bar, like work it in to fucking bring it out. She was just like, "I like Cardigan." I was like, "Sick, I fucking like it, too." And then I talked about it. - Because you have so much ball and knowledge, her Taylor Swift and her lore, do you play into that at the bar, though, at least? - No. - No, okay. - It's like, I respect my queen. - I will not use her name in vain. - Good, good. - It's gonna happen organically. 'Cause anything else comes off, like, I think girls aren't fucking dumb. They're like, "This guy's like trying "to work this into the conversation to get here." And so much better when it is organic. And they're like, and then you say, and yeah, so no, I think I never go in with a fucking plan to any conversation. I have no plan right now. Whatever you guys say, I'm gonna react to, and that's how it's gonna go. - Do you think John was performing with his Taylor Swift love? - Maybe. I don't know. If he did, I think it backfired. I think maybe, I mean, I don't know, I'm gonna be honest. I didn't watch too much of the fucking season. - Did you watch your scene talking about the grocery store and wanting to fight a guy in flip-flops? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't want to fight him. I didn't want to fight. I wouldn't have fought him. And if somebody's being mean to him, I would have helped him. But it's like walking around. I'm like, look at these pieces of shit. I don't know. Maybe I was around in that moment. - Also, I feel like some of the most dangerous men I've ever known or met are like. - No, no, no, it was. It was if someone comes into the grocery store to rob you. - Yes. - Are they gonna rob the guy in flip-flops? Or like, no, who do you want to protect you? The guy in flip-flops, or the guy in running shoes? - Yeah, but like, I was on a show, I was on a show called Special Forces. And we had like the DS's, the literal Special Forces people like in Rudy, Rudy's like the head guy. And Rudy like where, like if you see him on social, he's where like tight short sometimes when he's working out, he'll like where flip-flop, you would not want to judge a book by how Rudy might dress. 'Cause he'll kill you. - I'm on your side. I'm on your side. The most dangerous men can do whatever they want. But, and like to speak like my dad, he's always saying this to me growing up. He'd say the toughest guy in the room is the quietest guy in the room. And then I would be like I'm pretty loud and he'd go what does that say about you? So like, I agree with you. And like, I don't know. I was also drinking a ton of beers and shit. Like if you guys see me in the Maroon hoodie, I'm black out drunk, I'm black out. When I'm talking to Benito and I'm like, you ought me so bad. And it's like, that girl's a fucking 10. She's a 10 and like, escaped a war. I'm a fucking loser. So like watching that, that was tough. The Maroon hoodie, I got PTSD, threw it away. It was like, uh, threw it away, couldn't believe it. That was supposed to be my, so my gift. You have to give a gift. My gift was gonna be, like I got a T-Swift hoodie. I thought it would fit well, whatever, maybe it's whatever. You can't do Taylor 'cause we don't own the rights. And I was like, all right, can I do a plain hoodie? And they were like, yes, then they told me, I couldn't send it, 'cause then they'd know how tall I was. Like, 'cause of the size of the hoodie. So then I was like, you know what, fuck it. I'll just wear it, fuck it. When it was a night date, I'm sure you guys understand like how the dating works. The night dates are like fucking midnight. I've been drinking beers all day. I was legitimately black out talking to Benito. Watching it back, I was like, oh my god, it was horrible. And the same thing when I'm talking to Sarah, I'm like, to be fair, and then I just go, I got nothing. I was like, usually my mouth gets me out of this and it can't right now, I'm sorry. So yeah, it's something for tough watches. And for me, it kinda gave me like closure a little bit, right? 'Cause like, Sarah got married and I respected that. Like, I never, once, we never followed each other on Instagram. I never reached out to her. I never tried to get in the middle of those two. That was like not my place to do that. But then, so I never really got closure of that situation. And then I got to watch it back and I was like, oh, I know why she didn't pick me. I was a drunk fucking dumbass telling jokes all the time. And it was like, I get it. So in a ways, it helped me in a lot of conversation with there really helped me post pods. And yeah, I hope I answered the question not even know what it was. - Answer that and more. What were your thoughts on Matt the Beekeeper? Was that at the reunion as awkward as it was for us? - I wanted to fucking screw it. I was discussing, I was watching, I was looking at the guy. You see me, I'm like, what the fuck is this guy talking about? Harry Potter, the cursed child. I will say I did see that last year. It was phenomenal. So like, if I would have went to Michaela, but. - Moray does movie reviews while podcasting. - The Chicken Kotlet, it's a play. It was a play, it was my first play. The Chicken Kotlet's the mom thing and I'm looking at him doing it. And he just like gives me like fucking Dexter vibes. You know what I mean? Like, ah, something about the guy. - Collaborate. - Dexter, the killer. - Oh, yeah, he's a serial killer. Oh, were you talking like like the cartoon, like Dexter's lab. - No, I thought I was like that. - No, you're talking about Moray. - I knew you're talking about him. - Did he get out of my laboratory? No. But yeah, he's a fucking weird guy. He's a weird fucking guy. And I think like that speech seemed rehearsed to me. - Yeah, I hear what it was. - Like the points he wanted to head and shit. And like if I fucking loved Michaela, like truly if I loved Michaela, do you know what I wouldn't have done? I wouldn't have done that. Do you know what I would have done? I would have fucking been like, hey Rob, I'll beat the fuck out of you. Like that's what I would have done. And so if anything was being performed, it was that. And then just, I respect Michaela a lot. And like her and Rob like really fell for each other and America was rooting for them. And for me like I do respect Michaela and that's why I told the beekeeper to shut the fuck up. I was like, get this guy a fucking muzzle. Like we've had enough. - We had Sarah and Michaela on. And Michaela said after they released the episodes of the Friends and they blow up at the meetup that nobody else from the cast reached out to her to like apologize for her going through that. Was that something that crossed your mind? - You will. So if I could just speak a little truth on the situation, we went to New York together on the press tour and me and her had like a very big heart to heart. And that is before those episodes came out. And she explained to me like what was in them. I hadn't seen it yet. And I told her I was like, I'm gonna have to have a difficult conversation with Rob, which I then had. And I told her if she needed anything or anything like that, I'm there. And I've checked in on her and really like, I get it, she's in like a very tough situation. But me and her had a very like pretty deep heart to heart about that in New York. And that was on the 14th. So like when the show came out, we were in New York for the press tour. So and I'm not pointing fingers at her saying she's like, "Lion, she could have decked a slipped her mind." You know what I mean? She's on a very big podcast. Lots going on, et cetera. But me and her did have a pretty deep conversation about specifically that. Are you still bouncing? No, not really. Like over the summer I was doing Park City. Lincoln is like 3 a.m. and I'm getting like legit fist fights with the drunkest guys in Boston. I'm old. Like I can't do it anymore. So no, not really. I just have been a tripping. I love his blind bouncing. Yeah, it might be a challenge. Three days, I'll send you guys a video. Three days before I left. So I'm going through an absolute sucker punch at me. I slipped it luckily. I kind of looked cool on the video. I'll send it to you. I want to say. He's like, I'll send it to you. That's horror right there, dawg. Love it in here. It was like, it was three days before I left. I would have been on the show with a black guy, which I think would have been pretty funny. 'Cause they can't see me. That would have been great. But yeah, no, not. But I love that industry. I do kind of love that industry. And like everybody's like, they're talking shit about. Like they're like, always a fucking balancer, he's a loser. It's like, I don't even know what I get paid. Like it's almost like a deterrent to not go out and you're kind of in the scene. And like it's a ton of networking. It's like a good, it's a good little gig. The bar is fucking three minutes from my house. - How did you get on the show? - I got a DM on Instagram. And I thought it was a fucking scam. I read it. It was like a paragraph. I think I responded like, what do you need? My mother's made name too. Like, what the fuck? - Did you react like John when he thought he was getting scammed? - No. - No, no, I wouldn't have, no. If I'm in a restaurant, if you brought me a steaming pile of shit, I'd eat it, tell you it's the best thing I've ever had, and then I just wouldn't come back. Like that's how I handle kind of any situation of all time. 'Cause you catch more flies with honey than you do with shit. So like if any time I need help, like customer service, I just feel like, hey, I'm an idiot. Like if you could help me, I'd really appreciate it. They feel bad for you, and then they really help you. So that's kind of always been how I got through life. - Question for you. - So obviously we found out a lot about John and him texting the stripper who was then also an escort. And all of that happened on this birthday trip that your best friend Rob was also at. Did Rob tell you any of that shit that happened before? - I was on the birthday trip. - Oh. - Oh, spoo. - 10 of us from the castle on there, and then probably 20 of his friends. So there's like 30 guys in New Orleans, right? And we had two separate houses. I'm sure you guys have been on big guy trips. I didn't see 70% of the people the entire time I was there. Like you gotta break off in your factions, maybe you meet up at the bar. But like, and I'm not trying to be like, I think every guy on the trip can speak to this. I'm not a strip club guy. I genuinely, I don't like them. They make me uncomfortable. I respect them. And I think they make more money than I do. Like do your thing. If you can get some like 300 pound Italian guy to give you five grand, like, I'm in. But there's not for me. I don't like, I know they don't wanna talk to me. Like, you know, it's like, it's just not for me. So me and Tucker actually went to dinner. I think during this whole like strip club thing. And we were like, face timing so hard. Like while we were at dinner. And like, we're not, I'm not gonna fucking be like, all the girls are working strip club. That's not my fucking thing. But I wasn't there. And to put that, Like I know there's a narrative being like Rob was with John when this happened, like Rob's not a babysitter. There's 30 people on it. But was he with him? I don't think so. Like no, I don't think so. There was 30 of those. Did anyone on the trip get a sense of what was going on with John? No, only because like, especially with all the like you and Rob, like this was a time where you has had filmed the show and you're kind of like having to live very quietly, very discreetly. Yeah. To me, it was shocking in general that John did what he did, but it made it even more shocking knowing like this is a guy who clearly was moving in such a kind of reckless and sloppy way. I'm almost kind of surprised that the one married guy from the show, it wasn't noticed that he was kind of being a little shady. Well, so I wasn't there and I'm going to just put my cards on the table with you guys. I didn't really want to be around him. Like I didn't hate him at this point. I didn't find out all this information until September 3rd of this year. So like I thought they were still married until September 3rd of this year. When I found out I was going to be on the show, like he called me and me and him don't have a relationship. Like I think we've texted one time, like a brief interaction, never talking the phone and like that. I didn't hate him at this point though, but like to be honest with you, I didn't want to be around him. Like I really fell for Sarah. Like, but I wasn't trying to get in the way of that, but like I wasn't trying to hang out with this guy is what I would say. And like me and him are not each other's cup of tea regardless. Like it just is what it is. But at this point in time, I didn't hate him. I was like, I don't know, maybe like envy it, you know, like something like that, like a little bit. But other than that, no, I didn't hate the guy. I thought he was harmless and like a puppy. Like I didn't know this was like a that this side of him. And September 2nd, I get an email that I was going to be on the reunion and I'm featured in the show. And up until this point, I didn't think I was going to have a second of screen time. I was out of sight out of mind. Then September 3rd comes around and starts to get out that I'm involved and John called me. And like it was a weird fucking phone call to be honest with you. I was like, I don't know where and I was like, yeah, like I'm like, let him vent to whatever. And he said something and he was like, I just want to let you know that I don't like that you're involved. And I was like, okay, well now I'm going to take control of this conversation. I don't get the fuck what you think. I wasn't in the editing room like I didn't what did he mean by that? It was his basis for that. I think like he didn't want me involved in their storyline is what I think. And then he dropped the bombshell on me. This is how I found out they were not together anymore. He told me he was like, I just want to like what you know that means they aren't together anymore. And like in that moment, like I'm human and I like kind of felt bad for him. And I was like, hey, like I'm sorry that happened man, but I didn't know anything. And then I started finding everything out. And that's why like the reunion is like very, very fresh. Like for me, have just finding all this shit out and like stuff like whatever. I always speak to things that Sarah has said publicly. And stuff on the reunion. Like that's all I'm going to talk, the only thing I'll speak to. But that's why I wanted to fucking kill this guy. And like it was very, very fresh for me. And then same thing with that fucking moron, human. Wait, you said you're not going to speak to anything else, but you are all looting to other shit at least? I'm not alluding. I'm not alluding. We had Sarah on obviously and it was she even said as much that you could tell that as much as she was willing to say, there was, it seemed like there was more she wasn't saying. So a question to you, Maury, just for all the things that are out there about John, you're aware of more? No, I don't make so. Okay. I just, yeah, no, I think I think the kids are fucking piece of shit. I think that he'll never do better than her. And this was the biggest mistake of his entire life. You guys can fucking quote that using as your sound bite, whatever you want. But the thing that I won't do is I'm not going to arrow at any dirty one. I'm not going to arrow at any dirty one. It's just not my style. And a lot of people were coming at me saying, like, there was like a rumor going around that I was there. I was not there. And anybody in the trip, we'll, we'll back that up, including Tucker who was on the cast. We wrote the dinner together. And saying that like, you knew he did this and you didn't tell her. And like what I would say is this, even if I did know, like it wouldn't be my place to tell her, like she needed to hate her, him on her own. Like me, like coming, that would have been like performative and being like, you shouldn't be with him. You should be with me. Like, that's just not my style. Like, do I think the kids are fucking piece of shit? Yes. But like, I'm not going to run and fucking, oh, Sarah, be with me here. You should hear this. Like, that's just not me. But I didn't know. And I'm glad I didn't know. Everyone makes mistakes, your boy, Rob made mistakes, obviously, John made mistakes, right? So we can all acknowledge him when we make mistakes. But you're still best with Rob's and you hate John. So I'm curious, why do you feel so much differently about John versus Rob? And why do you feel like, I know you're not saying people should give Rob another chance. Like that, that's what it's all about. But you clearly have. And it sounds like if, if, if, if, if people asked you, you know, do you think we should kind of be open to the possibility that Rob's not a bad guy? And do you think we should be open to the possibility that John's not a bad guy? Why do you have such a strong point of view about these two men? Yeah. So that's a very fair question. And what I would say to that right is that I think people, and I'll always speak to like kind of what's out there, but people are really harboring on the part of the reunion where John was emits to a stripper in an escort. And like that was like the bad thing. The worst part for me was hearing that he was like Connor dumb and like breaking it down and all this stuff. Like that is way more of a big deal to me than a drunk night with a stripper. Like I can, that's a mistake. The rest of it is a pattern is what I would say, right? So, and that, I had a really big problem with that. And to, to Rob, why I feel so differently is like, we've built this loyalty. I am a loyal dog, loyal to a bone, loyal to a fault almost where we have built this thing together where it's like, I know that that guy has my back and, and I've had his and having his back is also holding him accountable, right? Like I was very, very, very uncomfortable and pretty much like kind of disgusted with the meat, the friends, the meetup episode, like I kind of saw coming because we talked every day and I could feel like he was like, dude, like I can't, I can't do this anymore. Like I'm unraveling like all these things. But I saw that coming and like we are both similar, like we're both a little manic, you know what I mean? I kind of saw the meetup coming where he's like, fuck Netflix. We just met each other a month ago, like, and if the meet the friends doesn't happen, I think people might like resonate with the meetup being like, this guy's just telling it how it is. Like, fuck Netflix. Sure. I mean, yeah. I mean, it is a crazy atmosphere. It was just more how he handled it. Yeah. I had a really big problem with the meet the friends and he knows that and we've discussed it in depth. I had a problem with, and like, whatever, like there, I, his friends, I do like them, but like I had a problem with them there too, because like at some point, like Rob is a grown man and he needs to, he had all the opportunity in the world to just be like, don't speak to my fiance that way. And he didn't. But at the same time, like sometimes your friends got to protect you too, right? Where there's two options with Jay. Jay, honestly, honest to God, like I do think he's a good guy. He is a fucking lunatic and definitely drank a million beers that night. If it was a meet the friends for me and one of my friends was doing that, my other five fucking friends would either say, Hey, dude, like fuck Netflix. Let's go to beer down the, down the street and remove yourself from the situation with them. And if that didn't work, put them in a fucking headlock and drag them out of there. And I think at the, the next day, he would have thanked you. Like thank you for fucking, like not let me sit there and make a fool of myself. So like I think that's an issue to me too. Like you got to protect your friends from themselves and they know how Rob is and they know what he was going through and like all the stress and anxiety there. And that's not an excuse. Like Rob still has a big partnership, partners, a blame, like the blame pie. But like how the fuck did that go on that long? I got a question because Makayla said that she didn't want to go to the meetup with everybody. But Rob was the one who said, No, we should still go. But it sounds like y'all were talking every day. And he was like, I'm done. I can't do this shit. Where did that come from that he wanted to go to the meetup? So I can't speak to him, right? But I think like in the moment, you could change your mind. Like you want to see your boys, like you want to like experience like a cool night out on Netflix. Like I think that could change your mind a little bit. But yeah, no, I wish he didn't fucking go. And like honestly, like I wish I like part of me is glad I wasn't there. But like I wouldn't let him do that if I was there. So like it's it's like a bit bit of a test 22 situation there where like I kind of wish I was there, but also glad I wasn't. Did Scott say anything to you after the reunion? Did you have any more conversations? No. No, but my my phone's on and he has my number. Okay. Anytime you want to talk. Did you ever get to know stew? Yeah, yeah, stew stew stew, right? I mean, like he's harmless is a nice kid. But like a lot of these guys and like a lot of these guys have become very close with it. But I would like never have been friends with them if we met in like a bar or something, you know, like they locked us in a room together and fed us beers, didn't feed us beers. I was drinking all the beers. They were actually trying to stop us. But like we're drinking. It's like a locker room. You kind of form this bond. I say it's like you guys like remember the Titans is my favorite fucking movie. Of course. And when they go to Gettysburg, they all hate each other. They come back and they're like, oh, shit, everybody's friends. That's kind of what it was like, right? Because you go through this hard, like kind of traumatic thing together and nobody else can understand it. Like my friends are like, oh, go hang up with your love as blind friends. Like they're not your real friends and like you don't get it. I would say the same fucking thing and like these guys are all losers like you're my real friend. like a fuck. So yeah, like I care about a lot of these guys and like Stu was one of them. Like he's a guy like if we fucking, we have no similar interests, we'd never be friends. But now if somebody was mean to stew on a bar, I would stop it. Like he's one of my boys, so. - You were born to be a bouncer. You were born to protect. - I don't know, we'll see. - There's the kind of photo going around from the reunion from when Michaela fell. - Yeah. - And it's Blake kind of getting up to go Rob, kind of getting up to go and the rest of the men. What is that kind of say to you? - Like here's what I'll say, right? And this will be like my kind of unbiased take. And I would like to preface it with, I think he's a piece of shit and I fucking hate him. But I would say this, he was dealing with like the hardest moment of his life. I'm probably like disassociating. Like I don't even think he was like there when he didn't react to be honest with you, like just to be fair. I don't, but I don't know his character as a man either. But I think that is probably what happened there. Like I don't think he like in the moment was like fuck Michaela. He was probably thinking of everything that's gonna come from this and all this stuff and really wasn't there. And that's kind of what I would, is that fair? I think that's fair. - Yeah, that's fair. - That's fair. - Did you try to get up? - Yeah. (laughing) I tried to catch her. I was just too late. - You were slow. - But that was the most necessary fall in the history of false. Like that like London bridge and Humpty Dumpty. No, but in that room, dude, in that room, in that room, it was horrible. The vibes were horrible. And she fell and it like broke the tension. And like we got to move on. So like that was the most necessary fall of all time. Like it needed to happen. - She said, I got up, God pushed me down. - Yeah, yeah. And it really broke the tension. - We'll see, there goes the dud. - There goes the dud. Well, she's so quick. She's so quick. - Yeah, she's so quick. - Don't watch, she's good. But yeah, that fault needed to happen. - Is a perfect matching your future? - I've never seen the show. Everybody's fucking DMing me about it. I hope not, 'cause that would mean I haven't found someone that loves me. But yeah, I mean, I'm gonna fuck it. I mean- - Shoot your shot of Sarah. - Yeah, listen, no, maybe. I don't know. Why does that look like a spotter? I will say this about Sarah. I'd like her to be happy. And with me without me, if I had one wish, it would be for her to be. We're gonna do one word to describe each of your castmates. We're gonna start with Stu. - Ah, Stu, give me Ninja. - 'Cause you, 'cause you, why? - He works for Shark Ninja. Yeah. - I think he like to karate or stop it. - Yeah, no. - And Neha. - Robot, fuck, I shouldn't say that. - Fuck. - Fuck. - He's cooking, he's cooking, he's cooking. - He's cooking, he's cooking. - He's cooking. - Dud. - Wilny. - Smooth. - Erica. - Infectious. Like, I feel like when she walks in the room, I'm like, and she brings the vibes up. - Jax. - Fuck it, give me gold digger. - Fuck it. (laughing) - Like when she knew, are you saying that when she found out to do was rich, that's why she circled back? - What the fuck do you guys think? - She turned the engagement ring into a fucking pinky ring, like. - She's like, I don't know, my sister thinks maybe we should date. - Okay. - Okay. - Get that bag, baby girl. Get the bag. - Blake. - Interesting. - Interesting person I've ever met. - Cam. - I wanna say perfect, but I feel like I want a better word, 'cause he truly is. Like that kid is such a joy to be around. Yeah, run with perfect, fuck it, he's perfect. - Sarah. - I already used perfect, I can't do that again. You know what, she's in a, I'll go angel. - Rob. - Misunderstood. - Scott. - Piece of shit, how many words is that? - Matt. - Creepy. - John. - I used piece of shit already, right? - Yeah. - Would creep. - I don't know. - Creepy, creepy, creepy, creepy. - You know what, you know what? - Okay, I'm gonna say lucky, lucky. - Oh, Benita. - He's a lucky guy that he got, Sarah. - Benita. - We got a couple in mind. You know what, I'm gonna say unapologetic. Like she is herself, and that's it. - I wanna know what you were gonna say. - Cloud chase it. - No, I don't think so, listen, I think, I think anybody that goes on this show and if they say anything different they're lying, it's maybe it'll work, and if not, it's a really cool experience and a good opportunity. And I think that like people are heightened in the pods, kind of feel that way. And like people call me like they're like, he's there for fucking whatever. It's like, I could've faked it till the end. Pretty early on, and I didn't, like I fell for that girl and that's kind of what I went for. But yeah, I don't know. Calling anybody like on the show, like when you're in the moment, like you kind of do want to move on to the next stage. Like I don't think it's too like cloud chasing whatever, but yeah, I hopefully I don't gonna get a lot of trouble for those one words on an eye. - Wait, last one, Diana. - Cloud chaser, I'll give her a cloud chaser. - All right, Maury, thank you. - Maury, I appreciate your time, man. - Do you guys hate me or not? - No, no, no, no, and listen. - Where is your man, brother? - Listen, this is what I love about what we do here is like you're, you know, someone else is in charge of your edit on this show. Like you're not in charge of what we see and like jokes don't always land and whatever, but like we sit here and we get to talk to you for 35 minutes and like, I think you're a great guy. - I thought, I watched the fucking clip of, and to be, I'm not, this isn't a shot at you guys. You guys are much, much, much, much more successful than I'll ever be, but I didn't, I'm not in the fucking realm of reality TV, so I did not know what the Vile files were. Somebody sent me the clip. I didn't know it was the Vile files. I was like, who are these fucking bitches? Like I was pissed. So I get in there right, and then my best friend Danny, she's my like reality TV person. She's like, oh my God, this is the Vile files. I listen to all their episodes. Shout out Danny Gothier, put that in, put that in. Put that in, please. - Shout out Danny. - Shout out Danny. - It's our last story. We've made a lot of false enemies by other people sending clips. - So, Mori, do you hate us? - Do you hate us? - No, I went into this thinking I was gonna hate you. - Oh. - I know I kind of, I know I kind of fucking like you guys. - Kind of fucking ass. - If I got one word for you, I would also say misunderstood. - There you go. - You know what, dude? Me and you should go all of some time. - You're having a LA, let me know brother. - It's on me. It's on me. - Run it up. Thank you, Mori. - Mori's like a tough shot with a smooth aftertaste, you know? - Dude, that was, you're gonna, that was fucking sick. - That's kind of sexy. - I do this for a living. (laughing) - But that is your Instagram bio. - That was a smooth shot. - Guys, I gotta call my mom. - You're not gonna believe what he's saying. - You're not gonna believe this. - Mori, we appreciate you, man. Best, I hope to see you on perfect match, man. - I hope to not, 'cause I'll have met someone, but if not, I'll see you there. - All right, buddy. - See you there. - Bye. - All right, bye-bye. - Thanks guys, appreciate you. Bye guys, bye. - What trip? - That Mori guy. - Bro speaks from the heart. - He does speak from the heart. - Off the hip too though, at the same time. - Wild character. - He is a wild character. Well, it's time to get to Joey. Many of you will be waiting for Joey. He is a legend. He's a Mirabelle champion. He is one of your most popular and famous bachelor's in a successful relationship. God bless him. What was the stat that came out recently about Love is Blind and Successful Couples? - 9/11. - 9/11. - 9/11 seasons, yeah, 9 couples out of all 11 seasons are still together. - Not bad. - That's a good stat. People say that it is if it's like an example of why it doesn't work, but I would argue the opposite. - Yeah, almost like a couple of season. - I only have sports analytics to base it off of, and it's not a good point for possession in basketball. It's not a good batting average. - But in the percentage. - With the batting average of how often relationships work or don't work, I think it's pretty good. - Especially on reality TV. - What do I have to say? Masha doesn't work that so. - And then you got Joey who is with Kelsey, and I don't think many of people appreciate just like how special that relationship is because it is really hard to actually find something that works in that world. And Joey and Kelsey are just an adorable, great couple. And they seem to really work. And it's always fun to catch up with Joey. But before we get to Joey, don't forget, we got Five Files Plus. It's a lot of me and Jimmy, you're just going deep about what it, you know. - You haven't heard what Tumin think about in the world in the podcasting space. You can find out about Five Files Plus. You get your reality recap, deep dives, where we dive deep in all your favorite reality TV shows. Plus talk about what's bothering us in the world. We also have your pop extra episodes, your update specials, you get your favorite updates from your favorite ass knit calls, and so much more. So to check it out, just go to Five Files.com and you'll be glad that you did. - Ah, I got some leftover coffee, let's go. - You. - Big coffee guy, I found that out, big coffee guy. - Yeah, are you? - I do, yeah, I feel like it's like my start of my day, usually. - What do you get? - I'm just very simple, I like ice americano. I feel like it changed. - I feel like it changed since I got to LA. Or like when I first lived in Hawaii, when you live in like a warm environment, I can't really do hot coffee that much anymore. - Oh really? - Like my rule used to be, if it was later in the day, it had to be an ice coffee 'cause it was kind of like a treat, but now it's warm all the time, and like in the morning, there's not a chill, like I feel like it, I don't get the warm drink as much, but then I miss out on some of the better coffees, 'cause I feel like it is supposed to be warm. - You could get, you ever had like a quartado? - That's what I've been saying, they start getting into. - I've been like an ice quartado. - Okay, okay, try that out next. - If you get a quartado, it's just like a shut, like a special-- - Yeah, you guys make fun of my baby quartado, but-- - I don't make fun of it. - Honestly, I think it's swaggy as hell to have a little cup. I want to get like a good, like espresso, like little cup. - It can be 120 degrees next drinking hot coffee. - Same, same, I can't do hot coffee unless it's cold. That's just how my, it's got to be cold outside. - Once I've learned it was the, that was the intended way that you're supposed to also get like a little shot of sparkling water to yeah, it's like a palette cleanser. Yep. Yep. That's the European way. There's also little like like I mean, it kind of look like like crumbs and they're like aromatics It's like enhance the experience. We're getting super light. Yeah Yeah I love you guys. I miss you You're just it's been busy for sure Yeah, that can't go good. No, but I can still complain when I'm busy I feel like it's the weird part where I'm in this like sense right now where I'm trying to be more present like I want to be enjoying what's happening because it's always like okay onto the next thing being excited trying to keep pushing But then I kind of just go insane I feel like if I don't actually sit and appreciate the things that have been happening because yeah It's been another great year. I'm like very grateful, but how do you do it? Like how did what do you what do you have? Exercise to try to I think well it was Kelsey called me out recently about it because I was just like I think I was getting in my head and I was like wondering what was next and and like pushing like okay So this one great so what's this and she just told me to kind of have that moment of let Why don't you take your time and maybe write in your notes or write down like what you have done? Like go over everything and give yourself a little bit of grace So I've been trying to journal a little bit more and trying to like just like write out the things that I was setting out to do the things I didn't expect to do and then look back on and be like happy about it Because I do realize my mindset when I do get busy I always kind of try to stay with it And then you can't you can't keep up with all that you have to have these ebbs and flows And I think that's also just being an entertainment I'm finding out You never know what your next job is going to be you don't know what it's going to look like and If you don't get used to the ebbs and flows you just start to get you go insane very quickly It's very nerve-wracking. It's good for me to hear I feel like I'm I've been in flowing within sanity It's everyone goes through it. I was just talking about it with Justin and Tanner the other day And Justin said he was like I'm glad you're going through it too Like so people think like just because you have these big ups you're going to be fine But I think no matter where you're at in your career there's going to be moments where you're like okay This was awesome like I just had my first movie. It's amazing But now I'm like no not what like I don't know what's next. So But that's part of it you got to wait for the next thing and just get to like go to bed And I've I've even memories of like post-dancing with the stars Yeah and like those kind of two years of like I just I don't know There's a drop I remember going to bed thinking the fuck am I doing you know like I'm you know I've How do you I'm 31? Okay, you know I was like in my mid 30s being like I was like this is that This could all end poorly and yeah, it's a scary feeling It is because you're used to having like your structure. That's the thing is you don't have structure in this life now And yeah dancing was so nice that you got to just focus on this period of time You knew what was gonna be and then was over you're like okay now what and I miss sometimes having the nine to five But then I love the freedom. I love the new opportunities I love the challenging and and trying to see whatever you can get out of all this But yeah, I think if anyone in this business thinks they have it figured out that they're not paying attention Like you you got to keep always staying light and figure out new things I also think the highs of this industry are so high that like in order to reset you kind of got to crash a little bit You have to feel both sides. Yeah, it keeps you it keeps you level Yeah, I would be more worried if I was sitting here being like yeah life's good I got to figure it out like there's just no way you got to have the the ups You got to have the downs and find the in-betweens to keep yourself sane and happy and luckily I got a really cool fiance that can help me with all that too. Well speaking of do you Do you appreciate how lucky you are in terms of like You really like slash love the girl you ended up with on the bachelor And I think you know it's but you know really it's something like you watch a show you expect it You almost demanded of your leads to fall in love But to actually you guys seem like you're doing great. You're you're planning a wedding and I think you know I'm glad I ended up with Natalie But I remember when I got casted as the bachelor like for all the are you doing for the right reasons like when you get casted as the bachelor You're like I want this to work. I hope I meet my like I'm gonna do all this for it to like Not work and like it's it's cool to see you and Kelsey Be as successful in your relationship as you are. Well, it's so crazy because yeah when you think about it going back into it I got off the bachelor at it was it was real like the experience felt real and I was like okay Like I do think it can work out, but I had that moment like I remember vividly seeing the limo's pulling up being like Okay, like what if I don't like these girls like a what if it doesn't work out It's like the world's biggest dating app you're just signing up for it But you you don't really have the control over who's showing up and it's not cliche or like kind of lame to say like it would not have worked out if Kelsey wasn't there like the only way it does is because somehow in life the girl that I am with Decided to sign up for that show like that is so crazy and I'm so grateful for it But we've it's almost feels crazy that we're at the point we are now because it does feel So long ago and so fleeting it kind of feels like the whole experience of the show Was like our meeting each other like I just met her at a bar and then we started dating after because everything happened on the show Just really showed that we were compatible But like how we've built our friend foundation now it's all been from after the show too So I feel very lucky, but it feels like forever ago now too like it feels like a fleeting memory almost did you guys ever have a moment post show where Things things got I don't like see dice here tricky, but it almost felt like Okay, we really actually have to like work on this relationship because I think so many people Just trust the momentum of how they met on the show in the chemistry that you know definitely is created but there is such a Well, there's a high on the show and then you you kind of and then the show ends and it's just you're just it's like you're you're just hanging out in the same room with this girl that you Kind of barely know yeah, but you're also engaged and it's it's tricky and it can be scary Did you guys ever have a moment you had to for sure about? I think there was never like a moment of like oh This this this might not work out, but there were moments where I realized like this is why it doesn't work out like you have to Reset you have to like be like okay This was so amazing that we met each other in this way But we are now a real couple Everyone has eyes on us, so there's a little more pressure, but like we have to do what normal couples do and build a foundation have expectations and communicate through it And I realized I was like okay, this would be where someone could have their out where they could realize like everything that was all magic on the show Isn't the same outside of it and I knew that she was the right person for me because my immediate thought was what do I have to do to actually Like make this as real as possible moving forward because I felt that urge of like I don't want to lose this I don't want to lose what we have and what's going on so like let's try to build through it And I think that was when I was like oh, no, this is really going to work out like this is as real as it felt at the time on the show Because yet you do feel those moments like this is not easy. I understand how guys would just like give up on this being like It was amazing. This was a chapter in my life. I'm so happy. I got this opportunity But all of this work is not worth what's going to be at the end because it does take a lot of work to get through this and like be a successful couple after it It's like so while he's even Kelsey are so perfect for each other. Thank you for saying that it's like Like whoever cat. It's just like the casting whoever found her. It's just like they Is like got like God Wild how luck in the best possible way I am the luckiest guy like I really don't know Like because it that was the catalyst for everything like I was so lucky to have someone randomly DM me to put me on the bachelorette and I was so lucky that they chose me to be the bachelor But the true luckiest moment I had was that she went on that show and then people got to fall in love with our relationship Because it it was and is real and now that's just been the base of Everything else I I get opportunities to do is people have just enjoyed seeing us be a couple and living our life through what we get the opportunity to do Do you remember your When someone called you About it was either being on the bachelorette or being the bachelor And it was like someone it was Ashley from our show Who used to work for casting at bachelor and she was like I was like flipping through These guys and I came across Joey and I'm like why aren't we like calling this guy like he's so cute and there's whatever And she like picked up the phone and called you really was like hey, what do you think? I don't know if it was for bachelor at or for bachelor But she was like I you know no like they were all just like flipping through past his page And I was like wait a second guys. Let's go back and like look at this guy I honestly don't even know how that casting process works It probably was something with the bachelor at because they reached out to me to possibly like one of the producers Because the producers go and they now like start reaching out to people like oh like mutual friends This guy looks like someone and then they're like can you just put your information in? So I did and that must have been what she was flipping through was like throwing my information in because they asked to but Yeah, like I always butterfly effect stuff like I always wonder like what if that didn't happen like What if this person didn't see my Instagram account like my life would be amazing I'd still be teaching tennis probably in Hawaii right now. I'm being very happy But I wouldn't have met Kelsey I wouldn't been given all these awesome opportunities that have come my way like just very grateful like it's it is It's cliche. It's a little it's just what it is, but I'm just very very lucky that I've gotten to this point You know you're in a holiday spark. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, you're not here. Yeah. What was that like so different dude like I I knew scripted was going to be tough. I knew it was gonna feel different in terms of I was used to cameras, but what was I actually gonna like feel like doing it? It was scary, but I had the best time like the actual like diving into being a character and trying to give it the Effort it deserves was like so fun because it was so new and it was such a like just felt like a new challenge that I could really like challenge myself to do. something that I probably never thought I was going to do. We're you thinking, you know, and you're kind of like figuring out post-batcher, was it like, "Hey, I really am interested in wanting to do acting," or did the opportunity come on your way and you're like, "You know what, I want to try this," and I think I could do it. More of the latter, like, I think everyone gets scared going from reality to scripted because people are used to seeing you be yourself and you're like, "Well, are they going to believe it?" Sometimes it gets negative connotations, so it wasn't something I was like actively seeking, but I did do 9-1-1. I played myself and that was my first scripted thing that I did, so I got to see what it was like to be on a set, even though it was just for a day. It was so silly. I played myself. I played Joey, the bachelor, and some girl glues herself to the bachelor's mansion driveway. It's ridiculous. But I got to see like, "Okay, this is what it's like to be acting," and I left it being like, "I would do this. It seems really cool." And then Roku reached out for this movie and the holiday romcom genre felt like it would fit. Truthfully, on the set, we did the one dinner scene, and I'm like, "I'm on a one-on-one right now. I got this." I am in character. I'm back. I know what this feels like, and even the director left, you were way more comfortable in that scene than usual. I was like, "Yeah." It was the bachelor at one point. There were moments I could pull from, but yeah, I think the idea of doing it, I was scared to take the jump because I did want to take it seriously. I knew there were people that were going to be actors that are actively auditioning and trying so hard. So to get the offer, I didn't want to not give it just. But yeah, it wasn't something I was looking for, but it was definitely open to after doing some certain things. How did you and Kelsey talk through make-out scenes? Yeah. She was so funny about it because I got the offer and I asked first, was there a holiday movie? Does there a kiss? Yeah, there's a kiss at the end. I mean, talk Kelsey and Kelsey literally laughed at my face. I saw you kiss all these girls on TV, which is literally the foundation of our relationship. Do you think I'm going to keep you from getting your first acting opportunity because there's a kiss scene you're crazy? It's like, I just want to be like, I'm trying to be a good fiancé. I'm asking. Well, that just makes her regret it because there are a lot of people who won that show, who would not be okay with that. There are a lot of people who weren't okay with their partners going on dancing with the stars. Yeah. And that was also another part of our relationship that I didn't even know. People knew what you were signing up for, but until you do it, you don't realize how much the online presence of that does affect your relationship. But she, I hate that we went through all these different trials and tribulations to get to where we are because it's a lot to do. But it has given us the foundation and confidence that we're both just going to be in each other's corner. But yeah, for Kelsey for some reason said, I just am not comfortable. I feel like it's not something I want to keep dealing with. I wouldn't be doing it like that is my first and foremost. What I want in life is to make sure like this could all go away. I need to make sure Kelsey and I are still good. But the fact that she was so supportive of me, I'm, yeah, again, just grateful. What's the movie come out? It came out in last week, I think it did. Yeah. I didn't know. It's so funny. It's okay. Watch it. Real cool channel. Yeah. Yeah. You guys got to watch it. Yeah. It's good. It's good. I've watched it now two times, watched it once before I did like press and stuff because people were going to be watching it. I wanted to like be critical of myself. And my biggest thing was like, I didn't want to feel like I was overacting. Like I really wanted to look like it was comfortable. And I think I did that. I don't think, because I'm in my co-league, Jamie Chung, like she's a very known actress. She's done a lot of different things. So I didn't want to be in the scene where I was like next to Jamie. It's like, this guy's never acted before. And that was the one thing that people that I know would have been honest with me told me is that they didn't feel like I overacted. They felt like I was very comfortable. Now the actual movie itself, people are going to have to make their own decisions. Like, if you like holiday cheesy movie, it is right up your alley. But there are some moments where it's like, it's just a holiday, it's a feel good holiday movie. And the best part is being in a holiday movie, it's going to be on for years. I know. And that's what I love is like, it's in, it came out on November 2nd, which is like, I am team usually like holidays don't start until the day after Thanksgiving. Like the don't start Christmas time until then. That's my usual thought, except for this year because holiday sparks out right now. So holiday started on November 2nd. Is it Christmas tree up? The Christmas tree just got delivered. Kelsey just kind of huge Christmas tree yesterday. So I might be up quicker this year. R's is usually up November 1st. We've been out of town, but it will be going up this weekend. So you guys start Christmas time in November, right away. Oh, well, I would start a student. Yeah, I got a call from the guy who puts like the Christmas lights up on the outside of our house. And he was like, hey, like just, you know, you want to do it again this year? Like, yeah, absolutely. He's like, what day? I'm like, when did I do it last year? He's like, October 28th, I'm like, oh, I forgot. I had to send out a group text to like our neighborhood being like, sorry, trick-or-treaters. Like, we're decked out for Christmas. So I was like, maybe November 1st. I get it. Like, it's the best time of the year. So I understand what people jump into it. And now that we have kids, it's like so much more magical that I like, I want it to last as long as possible. So I started. How are the kids doing? How's rivers getting big? River is so big, she has the best personality. She's so funny. She, you've got it. I mean, the last time you saw her, she was like, I know, she's still like, she's baby baby. She has an A plus personality. That's so fun. My sister just had her first. So I'm a, um, she had a boy, his name's Shepard, he's adorable. And now, yeah, Shep, Swaggy is hell, his my god son, I'm obsessed with him already and I get all the facetimes and pictures now. Where are they at? They're in Philly, where I grew up. So, um, but I'm like so excited because we're going to visit them for Christmas this year. And it's the first time I'm going to like see Christmas through a kid's eyes, even though he's still like, he's, he's going to be, I think, probably like nine or ten months at the time. So he's still young, but like, I just, I just love the idea of a kid experiencing Christmas is so fun. Well, it's rivers, what two and a half. So she's obviously had a, well, she was born in February, so she's the two Christmas. She's got two Christmas's. But like, this will be the first Christmas where you can, she'll, she'll be aware of Christmas. And that's, so we've been brainwashing her about Santa starting last week. Yeah. Listen guys, I, you make her last as long as possible. I was, I waited, wait, I knew, I thought Santa was real for a very long time. Wait a minute. My sister told my mom. She was like, last year. I go tell them. Like, it was bad. He got it. He got it. It was bad. I was like, at the bus stop, like, like fighting kids, like Santa's real, my, my sister's like, he's going to be the least like kid in school. He's got to get bored. Yeah. I think it was already happening, but I had my reasonings. Okay. - Lucky for you that like in the holiday spark, you get to be Santa. - Listen, I got to be Santa. My Santa voice is probably one of the things that I wasn't happy with in my acting experience. Like guys, do I have to do a Santa voice? I was like, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, who - Yeah, it was a ho-ho-ho-moom, so bad. So bad. That was great. That was great. It sounded good in my ears right now on screen to not say it's good. So. I think that was the most nervous day on set. Like if you asked where we the most nervous, it was what I was in a full Santa outfit and I was like, I have to actually hit a Santa voice. That was what I was like so afraid of. But yeah, I got to play Santa Claus. It was fun. - It was really great. No, it was good, man. The movie's great. I hope you guys enjoy it when you watch it. I'm from the Washington. I got. - I want to watch it this weekend when we put up the Christmas tree. - I'm excited to hear what you think. - I got to. I got asked real quick. And in "Rome Comes" there's often tear-joker moments that you have to cry. - So I had my moment. There's a scene where. I mean, it's obviously the usual. This guy is focusing too much. His name's Dean on his job, not focusing on the girl. And it does get to this point where he chooses the job over the girl on a date. - Tales of his time. - And my best friend, Matt, calls me out and I get kind of pushed and he's just like, "You're running away from the girl again." And I had to have that moment of just. - That was also the hardest part. - So where's Paul from? - Yeah. - We do those emotions. - I was thinking, I hate to say I was thinking like Kelsey dumped me. What if Kelsey was the girl that was going away and didn't have it anymore? So I thought it did pretty good. I felt it in the moment. - I can't wait to watch this. Can I ask you a question? You complete the fifth. - Go ahead. Did you ever fake cry as the bachelor? - No. I didn't. I can tell you that honestly because your boy can cry in any moment. I feel all the emotions. I wish I'd fake cried because the amount of times I cried on that show. I literally. I actually am embarrassed the amount of crying scenes I had on that show. If you pull it up too, there is when Daisy left and I was crying because I felt so bad that she went through the same thing I did and I brought her all the way to the end. So I'm trying so hard to hold in the crying because I'm like, "I just don't want to be a mess." I look like a turtle. If you look at the picture, my lips are quivered because I'm trying to hold in the cry. To the point that Kelsey loves bringing up the picture and showing people when they asked, "Did you cry on TV?" Kelsey just pulls up the little turtle picture. It's so bad. It's just like a little lip quiver and I'm just like crying. It's bad. It's bad. How is that wedding planning going? It's fun, man. I mean, we're at like really close to the final stages of it all. All the logistical things that I want to be a part of to know how much it was going to actually cost. Welcome parties locked, venues locked, location, date. We're finishing up our invites right now to get them out. But it's been so much fun because I can't wait for the day to be here. But now it's also the point where it's sneaking up a little bit and it feels like it's scarierly getting here. Not because I don't want it to happen, but because I just hope everything's going to go to plan. But I also just want to enjoy the day and not overthink it. That's definitely the key. I think like something Nick and I, I'm glad that we prioritize this. It's like at the end of the day, no one remembers what food you serve, what plates you use. Like no one really gives a fuck at the end of the day. But like Nick and I made it such a point to just do everything together. Yeah. And like we just didn't leave each other side and it was like if he's going to go talk to you. his friend from college, I'm going with them. Like, we're just spending the day together. And I think that like, because I think so many people, you just get lost at your wedding. And you are a wedding anniversary. We'll ever forever be the NFL draft week on nice in stage coach. It's nice, but like, there's always a negotiation every, every year. Got to see who the package drives. But like, the Thursday night was the night of the draft. And so I wanted to watch it. And you know, you have family in, right? And so you want to see everyone. And there was a moment of like, you know, it's like, well, let me go, maybe I'll go see my family while you hang out with your friends. And I remember I was like, no, like we are not, like we're doing everything together. And then we kind of had a conversation about like that. And we really kind of locked in. And like, and then from that moment forward, the rest of the weekend, we were just like, what was, was such a like, yeah, it's, I'm going to take that. And the reason you feel like a sense of responsibility to entertain all the people who flew in. And you want to like be gracious to that. And I was like, if we get to it great, but we're doing it together. Anyway, that made all the difference. I like that thought, though. And I'm appreciative, you guys saying it because one of the things I love Kelsey, my relationship and what I want in relationship is like, if we're in a group, like, we can be a part. We'll go, like, she'll be entertaining over there. I'll be entertaining over here. And then we come together. It's better. Like, I always love that energy. That's how I like just living in a situation, especially with the partner, but I'm realizing that if I didn't like actively think through that, I could see us being a part a lot of the wedding because there's so many people there. And I don't want that. I want to have like all the moments and memories be like something we experienced together. Maybe at the welcome party, we can still be a little bit more like hosting and thing like that and be all over. But I do like that idea for the wedding, just like being by ourselves. You can really get caught up in the hosting of your own wedding. And it, yeah, it can be over and be like, wait, oh, oh, yeah, we didn't want to be like, so like, would you do? How was it for you? Yeah. Would you talk to what has been the most frustrating part of the wedding planning experience? Oh, that's a good question. Honestly, there hasn't been anything that's been super frustrating. I think the usual answer is like, how damn expensive it is. Like, I'm shook sometimes, just like how much can go into it where you don't want to spare any expense. You want this to be the nicest day ever. But then you look at it, you're like, oh my God, this is how much it's going to cost. Do you ever feel like started by the vendors? I just feel like I get that when you say it's a wedding, they just, it's game over. But it's also like, we're trying to run out this really nice restaurant that on a Friday night is usually busy. We're going to run it out for the welcome party. Like, that's going to cost a lot of money. And I get that. So I'm not mad about it because we said like, well, it's the welcome party. We're going to have to make sure it sets the whole tone. We're not going to take like shortcuts here. But then you look at you're like, oh my God, okay, this is how much we're spending. So that's been crushing just because I'm so dangerously frugal at times that it's like I don't want to. But I also do because I don't want to have any regrets or like have any thoughts of not going all in on. Another thing I'll tell you to make sure that you do. I'm sure obviously you're going to have a videographer, which I didn't realize how important that would be. I was like, oh, let's make sure obviously we have a photographer and like they capture everything video, the video remind like it takes you back and like put you in the vibe and the feeling of it all. Make sure that you own all of your footage. We did we did that. We had we had our lawyers look at that and I'm like, yeah, I didn't realize because they didn't even tell me, you know, I'm staring at me right now. But this beautiful book right here that we have, I didn't realize I give one day, Kelsey or I decided to do like a book. If we didn't own the rights of the photos, you can't you would have to like negotiate what the price would be or if like we go on a TV show and they want to use our wedding photos like I forget like the IP of all that. If you don't own it, then you have to have a negotiation with the photographer or videographer. And they could just like extort you for like, oh, we want this much money for it. I never considered it. There's so many things you don't know about. No one would ever think that because of course when you're like an everyday person doing something like if you post your photos online, they don't get like that's not but if you're going. Yeah, but if you're actually putting it into something that you're getting money for, then they have the ability to do that. It's also what and what I have found recently is like we thank God got all of our footage, but they, you know, they make you a six minute, five minute video. And then typically it's like they send you the video and that's kind of all you get. And now that we have all of our footage, our videographer made us an incredible six minute video. But you know, obviously couldn't put everything in didn't put any of my dad's speech in it. And then when I lost my dad in April, I was like, oh my god, I like want that footage and I was able to because we had it like go back and now I have the full length video of him like giving the speech at our welcome party. And I wouldn't have had that otherwise. And it's like, you know, why would she think to include every moment, you know, so I was like, thank God we got all of our footage. You would have had that. That's something you never think about when you're, you're like, oh, you, you're knowing my, you're shooting my wedding. And they're like, it's this much money. You're like, great, you think you're done. And yeah, there's no, there's, there's always something more. That's what I'm finding out. Are you doing an outfit change? I don't know yet. I think it tells you 100%. Oh, 100%. I'm down. We're doing like classic tux. The thing for me is the reason why I love wearing like a tux and a bow tie is because there's nothing better than letting everyone know that it's time to party when one tie the bow tie. I can tie around bow tie. I actually really get it tying a bow tie on someone else because I learned on my own leg. So that's the way you learn as you like put it around like your thigh and then you practice a bunch of times. So I'm really, really good doing on someone else, but then you have to do it reverse when you do it on yourself. So that took a little bit to get, but no, I'm definitely doing it literally the only reason I'm tying my own bow ties show what I'm tying at receptions. It's the vibe. It's the vibe. Yeah, that just inspired me because of like the the aura of let it dangle. It was my thing in college. Like I just, it was like I'm letting everyone know I'm a little drunk right now because I'm going to tie my bow tie. That was like my tie. It's why it's why you wear a bow tie because there's nothing cooler than that. It's the best. We did black tie as well. So he did the black tux for a wedding and then changed until white. That's nice. Maybe I don't know. I haven't gotten to that point yet. I know we're trying to figure out what we do for like the welcome party with like colors and whatnot. Someone brought up the idea that I thought was really cool that you like have everyone else wear white to the welcome party. And then you wear like a really colorful outfit. And I thought that was a pretty cool idea. I should have taken notes. Listen, it's what happens, what you find out is when you get to this point and you're getting married. Like the ideas just start getting thrown at you. Here are other people's stuff. And then you do have to think through this stuff that I would have never thought. I'm also a little bit like you were like I'm dangerously frugal sometimes. Like to a bad point. And I'm totally responsible. Yeah, appreciate that. I'm over thinking like can I cut corners with like the flowers, but then it's like no, I can't get like fake target plants like flower. Because we're figuring out like that. That's right now. I know flowers are expensive. I know flowers are crazy. I probably never get married. No, no, I see that for you're going to be fine. But yeah, I feel like that there's stuff that you don't think through until you look at the price that you're like damn. I was surprised how much I was glad we spent the money. And I don't think anyone has any regrets. Like as much as you said, oh, could have been this command that like as long as you have the energy you're talking about, you have your significant other. You're enjoying your time. You're never going to regret what you pay because the more you put into it, the more you're excited about, the more fun you're going to have the more fun your whole entire people that are going to have a good time. I just yeah, you got to you got to embrace it. Are you are you going to be very hands-on with the playlist with the music? See, we got a band and we're going to for the last part of the scene, we got it, we got a band. I want to say yes, but I'm weird with music that I love everyone else's music. Like I'm the guy that shows up into a car and I'm like, what do you want to listen to? Because I like listen to other people's music because I like being surprised by music. But I will have a no-play list. Like I will. I think that is the main thing that you want to get rid of some of the stuff. And I don't even know what's on my no-play list yet, but I'm going to think through it and make sure that there are songs that I don't. But like if you think shout's not playing at my wedding, I don't know why people don't like that song. I'm fucking doing shout. That is a jam. You don't have what in mind that you're like, I can't you can't play that. No, not yet, not yet. I'll get there. There's there's a few there's a few cliche ones that I don't need to have on there. Like no people. Yeah, like honestly people. I feel like it's going to be more whenever we have the after party and there's like the after's with the DJ. I think I'll be very more hands-on with that. But for the wedding, I feel like there's I just want good music. How has it been like creating the guest list? I feel like that was hard. It's so hard. Like I love it. There's and again, you might like I might at the point at this like we got locked because the venue that we love is very locked on the size of where we can have the dinner. So our reception and our ceremony are going to be flipped and the ceremony reception, we could have like 400 people. But the dinner, we could only have 200. So we got to the point. I don't even like wedding food. I didn't need to eat there. That's what I'm saying. We got to the point. I was like, how's it? We could just invite more people and be like, hey, feed yourself. But you know, come to this, come to that and have a good time. I never show up to a wedding hungry. See, you know, and that's that's the one thing that I didn't love about our venue as much as I loved all of it was I wish that we didn't have to like have a fixed number, but it also does help because you do You don't want to just have it be open to everyone, but yeah, that's been hard because you never want something like I love so many people I don't want you to feel like you're not loved, but I really we got to make this tight like it's hard. It is so tough Especially the way that like it's y'all are doing it like this seated. It's like by plate It's how many people you know and then it's like somebody wants to bring their plus one and you're like guys Yeah, we have a we have a strict like if we don't know plus one if we don't know me like I think that's fair I don't want to talk about it super fair. We have a no-kid rule to just be like we want you guys to not be worried about if they're in the Like the only kids get invited is my gods on that's it because he's gonna be the ring bear. That's all we got But like you don't need to bring the the person that you're betting who just started dating three months ago Yeah, he's gonna be in the photo, you know, and just like there's always no one's ever happy that they brought them Even if it becomes their significant other like I wish you could have been there. It was so much fun like it doesn't you don't need to be there It needs to be your friends and family that you know for sure. That's so valid. I like that. We're all in the same page on that stuff This is great. We are you have to have your rules. I should be done negotiable You're gonna you're gonna be good. Well, you don't need to yet, but we'll you just watch this episode back When you get when you get when you get there, do you guys talk about kids? Yeah, yeah, for sure It's something we both really want um Kelsey how she said. I don't know if you remember on the show She's very passionate about adopting Um, her mom fostered a lot of kids growing up and she really wants to do that Which I always she like said it's a deal breaker for me if you're not open to it. I was like no, I'm definitely open So we've talked about kids from the beginning um, I think my sister having her first definitely gave us that baby fever Because obviously like love river like meeting her and I had so many friends I've had kids and it's like so exciting to see it through their eyes But my sister was the first woman. She had a kid. It was like oh, I'm invested in the baby Like this is different and that opened up something in me that like I am kind of in the mindset of like when Kelsey's ready I'm ready. Well you you are a dad. Yeah, you have a cat. I would do it. Don't get me started on Becky that little that the the apple of my eye right now That I'm not even the cat guy and now it's like changed me. That's what happened to me, but it's an incredible Animal name, and now I was allowed to name her because Kelsey was like the only way we're keeping her is if you actually name her Because I know if you name her you're gonna be more invested and I always thought like it was so funny for cats have human names So I was like, we're calling her Rebecca my buddy, but yeah, Becky with the good hair. I'm like yeah So that that's how it happened and we knit her middle name's Piper because she was found in a pipe So it's Becky Piper growling. She found her. Oh, yeah, she found her Yeah, she was coming home from an event and she like walked outside and heard a noise and we were like in this like we're in like this Gated tall and skinny kind of community with like a bunch of condos and everything So there's like an open pipe there and she looks in she sees this cat pop its head out and the video if you can go back and see it Is so funny because it's her going up trying to get the noise and then all of a sudden his little cat's head pops up And if you listen cuz she's like oh my god, and she just like cuts the video immediately because she was so shocked and then she Got a chumps meat stick to to lure this cat out and then grabbed her and yeah And then she was like so little and like would roll up into a ball and I got home five minutes later And I didn't believe her I was like you did not find that cat in a pipe I was like you've been talking about getting a cat for so long. I almost I almost accused her of planning the cat in the pipe if I didn't see the video I'd be like yeah, of course you found a cat in a pipe. She's been wanting a cat for so long But yeah, I mean I learned about the cat distribution system now. This is the thing What's the cat distribution system? It's the fact that most cats people like find them Like you know a lot of people go like to they go to shelters for dogs Yeah, like usually most people that end up getting cats and up finding them in situations where they show up on their doorstep And they might have been an outdoor cat and they're making an indoor cat now like it's a thing I guess the cat distribution system found us full circle with the coffee combo. Yeah, I went to a cat cafe in Brooklyn Because I thought you could play with cats and drink coffee and that's where I found my cat who just got dropped off They were picked up on the street. No way and yeah, I feel like it's it gets everyone But the only thing I'm still off on cats. I'm trying to figure out is the smell like the cat food smell I feel like it's a little too heavy for me because Kelsey's big on like oh it's better to use like the wet foods And like healthy foods and this and that but the smell it gets me Liter box is actually we got the little robot to goddamn washing machine It's the biggest thing you've ever seen game change. It is crazy, dude It will it does it has scented pellets in there. So it doesn't smell it She's still so small that the weight isn't figured out yet But once the weights the right way when she gets out it like a washing machine will just do its own work You never have to scoop it It has a drawer you pull out and you dump and you put it back in it has a camera on it So I know when she's taking a shit it is crazy. It's a game. It is for this great. No, but the robot hit me out man Kelsey's got her first brand deal with the kitty coming up soon She's yeah, the people are I mean she's cute as hell she looks like she looks like a top model for cat So I'm ready to pick out Becky. I want to do something with Becky. Let me know where no We're gonna get river cat when she can remember receiving the cat I think that's fair. I think it's fun to have your your kid grow up with an animal She has to be able to remember getting this cat. Yeah, that's cute for I always wanted to do the like Box with a red bow and then it like opens it's an animal in the area It'll be great. Well, there is nothing cuter than a kid like I'm still she's getting so big already and I'm just like please How have we not found a way to like keep him this small Cuz it's the rut bro. Whoa. I think she might be she's she's very she's getting She's on the pie now. Yeah, she's right. She's the pipe. She definitely ran away from her family I we were looking cuz everyone says usually when you find one there's others like we were looking for days I mean Kelsey swore she saw one when we got home one night like we looked for like 30 minutes She's like I saw it was on the pavement. It was a little tan one. I'm like, okay, but we couldn't find it We found two outdoor cats. We definitely know her parents, but Becky's not going back to the streets She's with us now. So got the club. Yeah, she's she's with us every time she's bad am like she's for the streets We got to get her out of here every single time I'm gonna ask you one bachelor question ask me how do you how do you feel? They've announced that they're coming back. I know what do you think because obviously they're gonna have to pull from Anywhere anywhere. Yeah. What do you think would make the perfect bachelor in terms of where they're gonna have to find someone? I've answered this question a lot different ways and I think the first thing that's really most important because it's what work for me is they they have to be like ready for A relationship like I know it sounds so cliche, but like you have to be you've had to have relationships before it can't be new You can't be like can't be the first time you've going over someone's house and talk to someone's dad like you've had to have Experience stuff because you're going to be going through the ringer. So you have to be ready. You've had to experience stuff You also have to be sure of who you are because that show puts you in a blender as you know Where you're getting so many different opinions thrown at you that if you're not confident in what you believe in and who you are You're just gonna get lost along the way and you're gonna look back on like well of course I didn't work out with this person like I didn't even know who I was at that time So that's always what I say in terms of like the makeup of a person that could do it Of course we want so much charismatic. That's fun that can take some of the things not as serious But also take the right things seriously like that's how you get something out of the season where you're like this is going to work out But I also think I hope if they don't take someone from the franchise that's done it before I hope someone can help them Understand besides Jesse what it's like to go through it because I the main reason why I think I did well at it was because the season before I went all the way to the end had that ring in my pocket. I thought I was getting engaged I felt every possible thing you could feel on the show So when someone else was going through it I was thinking about well, I know what they feel like right now Let me make sure I'm taking and paying attention to that. Yeah, if you don't get it It's really really hard. Does it make great TV probably but is it going to maybe work for the actual relationship or have that person understand what it's like? That's what scares me. I don't know if you're gonna make great TV But I think that's why they that's why they had that formula for so long for exactly what you said because the the process is so unique and so different that like Whoever was the lead was to your point their season before was like a little bit of a training a little little bit of a prep You know to be able to empathize with all the people that you're You know dating and going through it because in it and yeah because I think for The risk of casting someone who's not been on the show It feels very showy early on because there's gonna be all these women there There's there's no connection with you'll be sending them home and it's I think it's going to be easier for that lead to not to disconnect from The feelings of the of the women they're sending home but like to your point you knew what it was like you watched your boys get sent home And what it was like and and the emotional kind of drain of what that's like and that that's really important Especially for the bachelor because that they want their bachelor to again be able to kind of Empathize and and be gracious and sent you know It's a little different for the bachelor out because it's usually like bad behaving man And we love a bachelor out who's like can just let him know just let him know the bachelor has to handle a lot of emotions And I think the biggest part that some people don't pay attention to it is hometowns and fancy sweets The truth if you watch the season all the way through you can go and do whatever you want have so much fun Be yourself like take it seriously, but also like just be a charismatic guy until it starts getting to the top six And you have to make your decision for going who are the four going hometowns and you make your decision for fancy sweets And how you handle that situation is how a bachelor looks like I love grand but like he'd never went to hometowns or fancy sweets So like when he went through that experience he was getting it for the first time in that spot And that's really really hard on someone. I don't worry that on anyone. Like I hope they would understand what it's like to experience it so then they know how they would want to move through it. So I guess what you're saying is like obviously they're not going to pick someone who's been through that exact thing. I don't know. But picking someone who like has life experience, has gone like you said to someone's house and met their parents. And I hope that they can use someone and talk to someone that has experienced it if they haven't because I do think there's a good chance that they are going to pick someone that hasn't been on the show. I don't know if they are. But if they did, I would totally understand that because you need to rejuvenate again. But they they need that help. I think I hope they do. To your point, they should reach out to people like you or former leads and not do the whole like on camera scene where they bring a bunch of former bachelors and it's like a 15 minute conversations for the show. It should be a literal offline conversation. I will tell them everything like I said this earlier in another thing that people were like was your thoughts on the show and everything. I was like I have this wealth of knowledge that I don't like I shouldn't have like I've been on this show because of doing it. I know so much about how I would go through it and I even had bachelors reach out to me before I went on trying to do that to me being like, Hey, if you need anything and I was like, No, I'm going to do it my own way. Idiot should have asked every question possible. Like there's not you want to experience your own thing but it's not a bad idea to have more knowledge of other people's experiences. So you know when you feel something like, Oh, this this has happened for someone else. This is how they did it. How do I now want to do it? And that all comes back full circle to the idea. If you're confident in yourself, you will make the right decisions off what you think is right. But because it's such a unique format, it does it's helpful to have some ideas of what other people have done or what they thought through when they're in that position. All right. Just like yeah, the elements of the show that you're just you would never think about as the lead that that and things come up that you can't even prep for but that everything is from the format. And there are things that happened that I understand why they happened and you just need to kind of know how to navigate. And it's so hard to describe. You can only describe it to people that are experiencing it or are going to experience it. Some quick rapid fire. I'm ready. Dancing with the stars. Who do you think is going to win? Oh, it's so hard right now. I feel like it's I like how where it's at. I think my guess in terms of where I'm seeing like online presence and also just like her dancing is in a great. So I think Amber's in such a good spot right now. And I think people are really rallying behind Pasha this season. I think it's not crazy to say Connor too. I mean, if he can throw out a good finale dance and he makes that finale who knows because I know he's getting votes. So those are the two right now that I see and I always I always bring up Jenna and Harry because Jenna was my partner. I think they're in a great spot too. And you can't throw out Ezra either. And there's I'm good. This is my terrible rapid fire. Like I really do like that. I can see someone winning for someone your reasons. Yeah, it's good. It's going to be a really good finale. I think you had a chance to win. I think it was my week for tango. I was the last one to go. It was the only time in the competition that I was the last one to go. And Chandler was the best dancer on her season. She's incredible. She crushes it every single week, but she had a little bit of like a rough dance that week. So I knew I was like, wait, don't have a chance to be at the top of the leaderboard. And we went last and we got all nine and it was probably one of my best dance that ever did on the show. And I saw the crowds reaction. I saw the judges reaction. Glad came up to me at the end. He's like, dude, that was a proper tango. I was like, Oh, shit. I think I'm kind of good at this. Like I thought my partner was like, gas me up for a bit. I was like, I think I'm actually good enough that my dancing is going to get me to where I need to be. And as long as I'm getting the votes, maybe I have a chance. But I was always so worried that Alona had all the votes because she had such an online presence. And I was always worried that Chandler was just such an amazing dancer that there was nothing I could do to keep up with it that I thought I was the good blend between both. But I didn't know if one of those was going to overtake me. So I don't know if I ever was like fully confident, but I thought I had a good mix. Leaving traders. What was the one thing Kelsey posted that you were like this bitch? Probably the sleeping photo. Like I wish it was staged. But the fact that I slept like with my finger on my mouth like this and my eyes closed. Like, you guys don't know she has a full album. It's bad. I fall asleep everywhere. But some of the positions I'm in, I'm like, how the fuck did I do that? I don't know. I think I might have not collapsed yet. I don't even know it yet. But yeah, I there's that photo. It's like no one need to see that. It's like just finger on the lip just sleeping. It's crazy. That's hilarious. So funny. You know, I'll save the traders. No, no, that's good. I don't know. What are you trying to ask? I'm ready. I'll just save it for, you know, when you're on. I'm definitely I would love to come back on and talk about that show with you guys. It was one of the coolest experiences. I think it's it's going to be a great season. So I'm excited for people to watch it. But I should do feel like it will be less of a toxic season than it was the last season. I don't know. I think it's hard to tell. The reason why I say it's hard to tell is because I realized in comparison to other shows that I've done. It felt more like the Bachelorette that you were watching it through your eyes rather than the bachelor where I knew I didn't know everything I was going on. But I could see like the because it was it was a story that I was a part of. This is one of those things that I know my story. And I know I was a part of and as you guys know with me and nothing I really do is that toxic. So I know from my side, it's not toxic. But like I haven't seen the eyes of everyone else and what they're saying and their interviews and everything. So like every show is going to have their their drama and their moments. I think it's definitely going to be in there. I will say we had a really great cast that really loved being around each other. But then you don't know what people are saying behind closed doors. I just don't know what's happening in everyone's eyes. And I think that's what I'm excited to watch is like everyone else's point of view. Because I know everything that goes on on that show from my side, but I don't know theirs. So it's good to have you on buddy. It's really good to see you guys. Nice to meet you too. Thank you guys brother. Thank you brother. Anything you want to plug? Yeah. Holiday Spark right now is the big one. It's on Roku channel. People sometimes don't know how to get the Roku channel, but it is free. You can go online or you can just download the app if you don't have a Roku TV. It's been out since November 2nd. I think it's really good. I play a firefighter Dean. I think you should watch it for the holiday season. Are we keeping Dean's body or honestly? I am trying my best. That was a lot of ab wheels to do that picture. So I there was what picture we speak. It is a firefighter calendar. The calendar shoots on the calendar shoot. I was aware of this. There's a shirtless photo of me that has made some waves, but no. She did love that. It was her idea to put that up as marketing and put little way in the fireman on. Yeah, that's back here. I'm trying my best to stay in that shape, but there was a lot of effort put into that one. Don't have kids. Okay, fair. You're still probably shredded. Get out of here. I get body shamed by my wife constantly. That's great. All right. Well, that will do it for today's episode. We will get to some more bravo next week. I promise you that we want to thank our guests Joey Grazade and Mori from Lova's Blind. We appreciate them and we appreciate all of you for listening. If you haven't checked out the Michaela and Sarah interview the going deeper of this week, it's one that you're not going to want to miss. And don't forget, we have a very special valve. I was exclusive tomorrow. It's a special forces season five reunion with a great cast to talk about their experience and special forces. And that is all tomorrow. So I appreciate you guys. And I think they'll do it for today. Bye.