E1216 - James & Oliver Phelps, Love Is Blind, Dancing With The Stars, RHOP & Nudes

what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition i'm your host nick we're back in studio we're here in la uh we're done filming popped in and we are we did joined by my lovely gorgeous sexy beautiful talented uh wife nally joy jimmy is uh also with us and also rachel rachel scalen hi welcome back thank you so much for having me back i'm so happy to be here we have a jam-packed episode we have a jam-packed episode lined up for you we got a lot to get into uh finally we we haven't been able to talk about dancing with the stars this week so we get to do that drama is unfolding oh by the way guys and i i got i got some dance for the stars tea that i can't share but i'll tell you guys i'll tell you guys when we get done recording thank god i was here just being mean to the audience yeah that is fucked up he tells you and we just like bleep it for like 90 seconds oh my god but it's it's a good tea it feels it's pretty good it's pretty good tea um anyways we wanted to bring uh rachel in to talk some uh love is blind obviously the finale dropped we're gonna get people the weekend to watch it and then we'll talk about the reunion and the finale on on tuesday's episode you see that weird key that qr code that they're like watch it early have you seen that on every every episode of love is blind before the final credit there is a qr code and they're like if you want to watch the reunion early scan this has anyone scanned it no but what do you have to fill out i'm too scared to try i'm off i don't want to scan a qr code how early that's unclear to me because it would be saying if it wasn't on the netflix platform right also like one person scans it and the whole world has seen it early right exactly online the internet is like what are we doing yeah oh it looks like you can watch it 24 hours early by rsvp-ing to the qr code it's an rsvp this is what john was so pissed about i was mad about it he's like and my power's off and i scanned the qr code you guys said i could watch it early and it's not working now i have no power uh yeah lots to get into with all the the love is blind also don't forget the vile files plus is rocking and rolling it's a lot of me and jimmy this is great yeah we're we're developing stuff we're cutting our teeth we're getting in the breaking bread we're breaking bread we're talking about guy stuff guy stuff don't worry about it don't talk about the sexiest man alive we did period and like more dancing with the stars you get a little bit deeper into some bravo stuff we get into all of that stuff and more uh so be sure to check it out in addition to uh talking about we dive deep into reality recap topics we have a pop extra episode we get into all your favorite pop culture topics as well as our update specials all your favorite updates from your favorite ethnic call so just go to vilefiles.com to sign up you'll be glad that you did i have physical things to get into oh oh okay never mind uh later this episode we also have james and oliver phelps for all you harry potter fans out there known commonly as the weasley twins weasley brothers right the twins the weasley brothers the twins fred and george but in the movie they're referred to as the twins fred and george yeah we talked to the human beings james james and oliver which was a great conversation i'm excited for you guys to listen to it obviously his twin parent who has twin parents now it was great to talk to oliver and james uh obviously about their time on harry potter did you know we were twin parents rachel i knew there were a couple of girls but i did not realize that they were twins until right now yeah which is really thrilling really thrilling uh which is just to be kids casted in harry potter 20 how many 25 years ago 25 they were 14 when they got the part they said it was incredible are they still ginger colored irl no they're they're handsome brunette men yeah wow yeah are you a real ginger i am ask my wife you look blonde oh let's see some strawberry blonde in there it's like a summer auburn um but i do represent the fire crotch community if i may i don't know it's kind of early to say that in the day i'm sorry it is 9 33 it is so early to say fire crotch community i do apologize the fcc of course you know the fcc this is great it's so early my hair is still wet and we're on to the fcc i'm stealing that yeah it's very good well uh i know most people listening or grew up on on harry potter uh they're also the hosts of harry potter wizards of baking uh season three oh wow uh it's a fun conversation with oliver and james so that will be coming up later this episode uh why do you keep looking over there i don't know just looking around and looking around the room he's happy to see me i'm happy to be back staring into mary's eyes hello hello we're over here i'm happy to be back okay well apparently jimmy has something he needs to give us so go ahead jimmy this has been a long time in the making because damn you guys have been out of office um and now i feel that we're you know we're talking about the twins uh there's a lot of things in my bag is that a purse but you know my mom said it was a purse and i was offended it's a purse it's a man's gender neutral bag actually oh my god of course because it's a purse famously said on the her sister's earl meets the world show on netflix that backpacks give her the ick and i was already starting to get sick of lugging my backpack around like i was still a college student or something so i was like i gotta grow up and make the switch it's gotta be the jacob alorti like bottega bag yeah okay but this is why the rest of your presents aren't here well your presents your birthday presents aren't here because my stuff from chicago hasn't arrived to la yet okay but when i was in new york for fashion week i was at this coffee shop and the coffee shop was called little dove the two of you have a child by the name i'll cry and i got these hats and they say meet me at little dove that's so cute and nick has a phenomenal hat repertoire so no thank you jimmy that's so cute add it to the uh arsenal and like i said i'm not gonna lie to you i'm not gonna lie to you i'm not gonna lie to you like what like and it matches the fit like iris did we think about iris there was no coffee shop or river maybe did you want to go to the hudson river i got some for y'all coming soon i promise oh yeah because i don't want to leave out any child that is so cute we were filming in vancouver there's this great little restaurant called dovetail um that has a great menu and we ate there almost every night almost honor of dove shout out dovetail but that is really sweet you thought about us of course you thought about our daughter family man beautiful i'll cry yeah kind of weird for you too no hat for me i'm actually gonna lie say your package is also in the stuff coming from chicago wait rachel you're you are in nobody wants us i am thank god yes i am yeah holy moly right cool acting um yeah can we talk about that sure yeah okay so how did that come about you know they sent the audition and then i sent in a self tape and then they i booked it which by the way when i got to set they were like oh so you don't like know the ep or anything i said no i auditioned i actually have that that's you yeah people well everyone's getting hooked up is that the situation because also like i am primarily a stand-up comedian i think people were like oh rachel she probably just knew somebody and also the person that i was in a scene with is like my friend of like 10 years so i think people then were like oh they're friends right but i just sent in a self tape and then booked it and here's the thing i fell deeply in love with kristin bell if you can believe that i mean okay yeah oh right veronica mars it makes total sense yeah that sounds about right and how is y'all's relationship today me and kb yeah kb fcc kb we're dialed in it was very fun to be doing the thing i usually travel so much for stand-up it was like oh this is like an la job excited i mean you guys know what it's like you film tv shows like it's long days and you're like you know you're eating food from a truck and you're in a trailer but it rocks because trailers are nice right to be fully honest with you guys acting is so much easier than anything i've ever done in this town it's so simple you just sit there somebody already wrote the lines for you they tell you what to wear they tell you where to stand and then when you're done they're like that was amazing how do you feel about the hurry up and wait culture that is tough as somebody i'm like a planner and i want to like know everything ahead of time actors you kind of like don't know everything until they really need you to know it which is kind of frustrating um but it's easy but to be honest i feel like hurry up and wait culture is literally everywhere it's at the doctor's office you know it's like be here on time and then sit practice at eight you get there at 7 45 we start at eight game time is at eight yeah okay sports guys sorry it was an adjustment for me i was like y'all telling me camera ready at 10 right i've been sitting for three hours right well and i have this issue where i'm really i'm very i'm only good looking for about one hour of the day i feel i have peak hotness at like 10 a.m. 11 a.m. and then after that i get less hot every hour everything starts i felt this way about a different time slot for myself but this is fucking hilarious that other people feel yeah like i have peak hotness and then you know you don't get to they don't work around your hotness i can't relate oh i'm more of an evening guy i wake up that's nice yeah that is so like these these mornings i feel like a slush puppy honestly that's why i wear the eye patches eye patch are you looks maxing yeah fuck yeah oh my god it looks maxing in 2026 what are you doing it's become the word of the year by dictionary i hate where the word was derived from of course i i i it makes me worried for my daughters in which part of it the pressures i say this as a guy who grew up in wisconsin yes shout out wisconsin i've always been vain yes and i've always cared about my looks and i always i liked to wear stripes even polka dots uh so much so that back in the day there were there were names for kids like me growing up in wisconsin i'm sure there were do you remember metrosexual of course still thing i get called my metrosexual king in the comments okay but now it's just more like but i i was i was an outlier you know polka dots just like a guy who like just gave a little more Wisconsin you weren't just wearing camo yeah was like wow look at this f slur yeah i wasn't just going to fleet farm wearing like the lee jeans that were available i was like trying to find the boutiques and in in although i can't believe skinny jeans were a thing oh dude that was a rough era for those those microwave photos too anyways but but now it's just it's it's there's a epidemic of there's too much vanity with young men and it's i i just i don't feel like it's positive and what about your daughters they're yeah how are we yeah how how do the two because i feel like looks maxing is really branded towards men so it says maxing derives from gamer jargon men maxing which means optimizing a character in role play or video game for the best chance at success to answer your question if my daughter's grow up to want to date men oh of course and i forgot that they may not yeah um but if they do right i i'm definitely concerned about like just like what young men give a shit about these days and it's just like come on you know it's just this is crazy sorry look they're gesture maxing for acting clownish around women to compensate for lack of looks or money sleep maxing hacking the best possible night's sleep where where where everyone's become like an avatar what is this outlet because i'll tell you like what whatever they say dictionary.com okay see like they're like a formal i don't know company like the maxing is just what you apply to anything like right now we're podcast maxing yes we are and then if i have another coffee that would be do you talk and think that way in life fuck no okay but i will say do other people like you are hanging out with do like the streamer crowd of people that consume that kind of content they actually do and they talk about it and they talk like when you said irl i laughed because like they speak in these like internet lingo buzzwords and it's fucking weird but to the looks maxing like um like movement i hear you that it does just like perpetuate the beauty and the beauty industry like pressures of like doing a lot of work in that it is i feel like there's two sides of it i kind of like that men are now feeling the for so long right where we've been looks maxing from the jump from the job so it's nice in the terms of like at least we're sharing some of it however i'd hate that men then feel like i'm watching some in reality tv mostly because i don't otherwise hang out with straight men unless i'm here with you guys which i am honored to be i'm watching straight men on reality tv treating themselves as these really high value men and like the misogyny that i know is men only give that they like sure there's misogyny but they at least value that women even if it's only in looks alone add value to them and status to them and now i'm watching men who are looks maxing being like oh maybe i'm the pretty valuable one and like not giving women their value which just frightens me i mean the internet well like we all know men have their problems right i don't feel like like introducing more ways someone can feel insecure about themselves yes is a net positive agreed yeah the the the point of it was to basically say like if you maximize your looks then it can only further whatever you decide to do whether you want to get into finance you might get the job over somebody else just because you pretty privileged like that's i mean pretty privilege is definitely one of the greatest privileges but i i if if you have to spend all your energy to maximize anything about your looks you're you're i don't think you're gonna get there's an effortlessness that people appreciate about pretty privilege and i feel like it's one of those things that people can kind of i don't know sense yes you know like that like it's trying to fucking like this is where he doesn't look like a real person you ever he's not he's a fucking cartoon character yeah he literally looks like a cartoon character i don't think most people women uh are finding that attractive and like online whatever i don't know in the clubs i i just like you ever i think there's things going on that we see online that we label as attractive or cool or but in real life it is not you know clearly agree um have you ever seen videos of him at the club clavicular i'm sure i'm sure it is the we talked about how like the sexiest people alive according to whatever these outlets are it's often just like the actors who like the kids they grew up they weren't the most popular and now suddenly got this fame and now they're sexy he has this fame now so now he's cool he is not cool but also i don't think the women giving him attention are interested in him they're interested in the cloud oh yeah and being caught on camera on his stream yeah entirely if i saw clavicular at a club i'd run right yeah i'd pick a fight i swear to god that's for that's for y'all don't cut the camera off now like i'd pick a fight yeah he's almost certainly the biggest bitch in the world dude without a doubt but he also walks around with like big ass security guards too bitch like yeah come on wait did y'all hear this story about kevin jonas accidentally sending a dick pic to his group chat who hasn't you know i haven't actually no i don't know no i told y'all i've never sent one you've never sent a nude yeah that's my uh have you been asked and said no at a certain age it was kind of like well now i got this like thing i've been doing where like i've never sent one so have you received a nude oh of course and no one's asking for one in return yeah you don't return the favor i'll be honest i've had a conversation with a specific girl i was like what do you get from this like nothing honestly equity but it is yeah she knows that you're she knows that you're you're both in it together there's a vulnerability yeah you better be vulnerable also i don't ask for news i don't care i don't like get the news and i'm like oh yeah like i don't get who goes oh yeah i mean i do unfortunately i'm always doing that my wife snapchats me a nude i go oh yeah i've always been like that with my homies like i've never been the one to like i don't know my homies clown me for it like i just don't care to receive or send or i'd rather just really person yeah never like actually wow that's like what that is what nick and i's marriage was built on is nudes and yeah why we're married with three children like the snapchat era was lit because like you could send a nude and it would disappear in 24 hours and like that was when i started to like get in my bag i guess when like i received nudes but i was like nope you ain't getting one from me when you're dating someone especially if it's long distance like there's nothing more fun than in the middle of the day checking your phone and going nice 1000 my wife and i were long distance for a while we were also built on nudes and snapchats and just naughty naughty texting because you're just like i would laugh like i'll call i'm thinking you would laugh if her i'll be like shorty like i'm in class right now like what are you doing that's the best uh an unprompted are you attracted to women yeah i remember like having conversations with her i'll be like you know like we're on facetime now like i can like interact with you hell no no one's showing anything on facetime what so that's where you that's where it's better now it's like interactive performance i'm not a sex worker this is like post shower you're just like oh yes click the amount i'm telling you like i'm grateful when i get them it's like i appreciate you you're not excited i'm still gonna like no he's doing no he he hurts him no thumbs up yeah he's a slick thumbs up oh diabolical okay i mean y'all not like i appreciate sometimes like okay fuck it whatever you get a lot of impromptu dms that are just like a quick photo and you gotta in order to see the photo you gotta just like open it and there's sometimes a lot a lot of them are just nudes just like random people you never met i don't know what your dms look oh sure no i beg those are those are fun to heart sometimes i love it you heart those yeah from the strangers it's like yeah i got it like that's crazy those are fun for me though wow no if you receive a nude from someone you care about you must be infusive about you oh my god you're the sexiest yeah the response you must yeah must be paragraphs long oh yeah oh what paragraphs well right you must you must be like you've never seen the most emojis possible you know a lot of exclamation points the most recent girl i was in some serious with we went on a trip and uh we were together for like two weeks and then afterwards she started sending me you know little little path photos and uh you're right she she didn't think i was grateful enough so she stopped well hearing how yeah i don't know i very few days go by where i'm not sending a nude to my wife really yeah but i'm on the road a lot so like every hotel room i'm like look at what my body looks like in this lighting you're like check out this mirror yes exactly do you love your partner if you don't send a nude i mean it's a great question fuck but i'm sure if i can't believe y'all draw the line at the facetime spicy talk that's insane why is that insane you know there's something the camera for me oh no don't put me on the spot i need to be by myself no one watching finding the best angle sucking in for as much as possible yeah poking out my butt at just the right angle yes like it's a it's a math yeah i can't do it live i'd love to see the nudes that i don't send are like i actually don't want to see that yeah it takes a certain angle just to shine i nobody psa nobody sent jimmy a nude no no no no no you don't deserve them he'll be like that's cute jimmy you gotta send you gotta send like the emoji with like the cartoon eyes going like oh you know what i mean literally that's what we're talking about no the wily coyote i'm actually gonna start gassing up every nude i guess i just assumed that all men took nudes kind of frequently like i'm surprised that you are not a a nude sender at all i think if i had if i had a if i may sorry it's so early in the morning i think i would be photographing it quite often yeah no that's weird oh is it right i just assumed i'm kind of like it feels like it's like in the way you're like i just might as well take a picture again if if i'm receiving then i want to i want to be i want to share you want to match of course but like i do think it's because there are men who like to take pictures of the dick and send it to women well i do think it's a little weirder if a guy enjoys taking a picture of his dick imagine you got a photo of all those just hella angles of your cock that's so weird again just like i'm just like hey i'm just i'm matching your freak i'm matching your freak if you want if you want the goods on me just in case you know you you know fine here here it is you know what i do love that i think you're starting to gain some traction is uh the voice memos hell yeah talking spicy over a voice memo yeah that's where i'll match your freak i also would you rather for me would you rather have your nude exposed or you talking dirty because me talking dirty is like babe thanks so much for doing this with me you could have been anywhere tonight so nudes for sure yeah expose my nude i can't reveal the magician never reveals a secret so like can't give out free game like that have you been prompted in l.a since you've been here oh wow jimmy that's a tiny little cup of coffee for sure if you haven't got it no i'm getting it he's like do you have like all these nudes and i'm like in your dms i do not yeah that came out such like a humble brag it wasn't supposed to be that way but that's very cool my dms are a lot of like angry christians kind of like are you talking about the veggie tails but it's very cool that you've got titties in yours and that rocks i beg and nobody's thirsting but that fucking rocks dude yeah that's cool and good for you for not sending nudes maybe that's cool i don't know i don't yeah it sounds like i'm being lame honestly i think you are i don't know it's like a pride thing at this point you know when you find the one oh yeah she'll get it she'll get it some okay oh okay let's get into the dance here with the stars uh i'm julia styles i cannot believe she's gone first of all broke heartbroken shocked i i i didn't yeah i honestly thought she would be a finalist we're at the point of the season where i think there's going to be a surprise because it's like someone's got to go home every night you know i thought it made sense for mara to go home this week though just mara higgins yeah i do feel like the internet's turning on her like i feel like she came out of the gate and everyone was obsessed with her and now she's like oh my god now i feel like they're starting how are they turning on her are they i think they're just saying like she's been scored so highly like high that it just like the same reason why connor is like winning the public's approval right now it feels like because he was showing so low yeah yeah sometimes the internet doesn't like if you're doing too well they'll turn and kind of humble you well her and mark met on traders and close friends and i think uh mark mark has some influence and his mom's a big she's she and and i think some people suspect that maybe they've been training ahead of time and early maybe like on the weekend i love when you talk quiet like that and and some people call that cheating i've also been saying that people think that they're cheating because she wears a lot of long dresses and like to hide her feet and if she's not wearing a long dress then they use a lot of fog to cover her feet saying that like her feet aren't i don't know if that's what's going on but i do on my algorithm i do know that those are little tricks that the pros know it's like that really to not well they know how they're judged right and they know what judges are looking for and so yeah i think there's ways to hide arivo as a guest judge that's iconic honestly that's huge right huge get huge get her feedback was awesome yeah i just like listening to her her and bruno yeah which is honestly it's a breath of fresh air from last week with mark's mom giving everyone like the wasn't that last week giving everyone like super and then to have cynthia be like tens tens tens except mora she did give mora an eight no yeah an eight yeah that's how she probably would did it they got all eight cynthia no people turning on mora yeah it's like you got you got mark's mom mommy giving out fucking fours to people who are doing well oh that's true i wonder if that played a part and then mora's just like and again more is crushing it she's objectively looks fantastic i mean her and mark it's one of those pairings where you're just like that was awesome but who who got a four was it julia style julia julia styles got a four which is crazy she looks great and i forget yeah where it's just like okay you can't have mommy give you an eight when you're giving other people four it's like it's like soccer mom being mean to the other kids on the team like you don't get an orange i do feel like shirley ballas is the kind of woman that is coach first mother second though she gets that vibe so i do think she just didn't really know how to do it she just didn't know how to do it i think that's what you were saying i agree but i do hear nick being like the internet is probably pissed and being like now we're against mark and mora because of mark's mom uh tyler you know he's gone he left uh and he posted like um some kind of real but like it reminded me just how much the fomo you feel the next week after being eliminated from dance for the stars is like no other fomo you'll ever experience like it is soul crushing just watching all your boys still like everyone's still at it and the the grind pros stay and like they continue dancing yeah sharna is still there not like dancing and it was oh yeah and he he missed out on the uh the group number two that was fun to watch yeah no it's like it is torture that that that fomo that you feel and um you know especially at this stage where i think for anyone you feel it but i think people who go home early maybe it's a you know obviously there's disappointment there it's a little different because obviously went home early but tyler's you know he's been doing this for five six weeks now became part of his life his routine your whole world and it just it goes away and then oh it's so sad did y'all notice how with amber and pasha it was hercules and she was leading him it's the first time that a woman's led a man yes i noticed of course yeah carrie pointed that out right yeah yeah that was cool sometimes i think if i were like a guest judge i would just vote for him i would vote for him i would vote for him on whatever song i like the most because that's usually how i judge the dancers i'm like oh that was incredible i just because i could sing along to it is that a fight against the patriarchy well they were both hercules so amber glenn basically an olympian right she's like a very very muscular girly pop and was like kind of insecure about that for a while because it's like obviously like women's bodies or like whatever and um so this was her version of just like leaning into that and she always she never wanted to dress up as like the princess as a kid um because she's getting gay um but and then so she got to be hercules with pasha so they were both hercules and so then they had her lead well remember when like early on this season when carrie ann kind of like said something to her about like she can tell that she's using every muscle in her body or something and everyone was like whoa right like it's not body shame our olympian here like she has muscles right she is using them so maybe that's y'all should watch the tiktoks of where she flexes her back i feel like the subtext is like i'm noticing that she's using every muscle in her body and i'm noticing how big and muscular you are and i'm like watching your muscles move in this dance right it's just making it like a point that she definitely didn't need to make right why like what does that have to do with dancing like okay she's hot i don't know did we did you have a favorite dance or favorite i like the greatest show dance oh yeah oh actually honestly the group number the group number of high school musical was actually incredible like even connor was speechless afterwards because he said he felt like he was a part of like a uh a student pep rally did you guys so sick did you see connor get kissed on the cheek at the end no that was by a boy like a brunette boy kissed him oh yeah in the uh i saw that on my fyp over and over again it was ezra was it ezra he like kissed him on the cheek kissed him on the cheek and he goes like he lit the fuck up like he lit up like he's never been kissed before it was beautiful to see are people clipping that yes people are coming in and they're playing him in slow motion because he Literally, it's like, ahhh! - Well, also, people are Clipping, Ezra, and who's the other pro? Hailey. Hailey. Hailey. Oh. Did we buy that? Did we ship that? Listen, I think it all started because we had. Let the kids dance. Why are we forcing relationships? Well, it all started because we had Emma and Sharna were on the TikTok live, doing the TikTok live thing. And they were like, everyone's excited to see Ezra. And then Hailey Biles was like, who's not excited to see Ezra? And they were like, well, are you excited? She was like, me, and got really nervous. And it was giving very much. They're in love and they're dating. And then Ezra was asked, and he was like, I'm focusing on dancing. I am single. That's all I'm locked in on right now. And he said, I'm single? Mm-hmm. Damn it. Which they might just not be boyfriend, girlfriend. Yeah, he's good at this. I mean, he handled that well. He was on Ellen when he was a nine. Yeah, I wish he would have spilled a little bit, though, you know? He gives very buttoned up answers. Do we think, first of all, Jenna Dewan and Val's dance. Perfect. Perfect. They're fucking incredible. It gets better and better. But are they cheating? Or is Val cheating? Because he looks like the Beast? Because he should have been the candle. Yeah, I was thinking that. The Beast isn't in the Be Our Guest song. I mean, it's not a part of that. And you know that Val's like, I'm not going to be a candle. I'm the Beast. Love Val. I'm the hot. He's like, my shirt will be off, and I will have horns. I'll be huge. I'll be Beast. I'm going to be you. Women will fear me and also be turned on by me. I, Beast. I'm not a candle. He's such a good dancer, yo. He's phenomenal. It's so good. How does he be so strong and masculine and just like, and then all of a sudden so light and dainty on his feet? No, he's great. He's incredible. Did you guys see Glebs live? No. He hates Alan for some reason. Oh, shit. I mean, I noticed that with the whole switch up. When Val was suspended, he had some stuff to say, but he's continuing to talk about Alan? Yeah. What is he saying? Something about his hand placement, which is also hysterical, only from like a, I mean, I love Dancing with the Stars, but I don't know ballroom like I know football or baseball or basketball as a sports fan, but obviously Gleb grew up in it, but he's talking about ballroom dancing as if like everyone, I don't know, like if you were a sports commentator, right, and you're talking to your audience, you're, you know, you're this like, I mean, who can, you know, why would someone shoot a free throw like that or something like that? And the way he's talking about it, I guess, to his audience as if like everyone knows how the idiosyncrasies of ballroom where he's just like his pan, he's like ripping on his hand placement where I'm watching and be like, who's a fuck? Yeah. So I basically went on TikTok live and like questioned why Alan was selected, claiming Alan's technical dancing level and quality were not up to the level required for creating art. He stated that Alan is a good dancer. Dancer for television or for his niche, comparing him unfavorably to people like Val. But the reality is like, I do know that the pros like care about this. I mean, we've, when we had Peter and Max on, I mean, they obviously talked a little bit about, I mean, listen, some of these, the Vals and the Maxes and they grew up ballroom dancing their whole life and that, and, and dedicate their life to this very specific thing. And then obviously ballroom dancing is, is a certain kind of dance. There's so many other dances dancing with the stars has, was always traditional and ballroom dancing. And over the years they've become less and less traditional. And now you have obviously the, you know, the, the tick talk of it all. And the only, you know, carrying in and the lifts and all that stuff, but the, the dancers who come from that traditional ballroom background, background are very protective of that space. And they kind of, I think they resent people who don't, they're purists. Who don't, who they care about that stuff, but the audience doesn't give a fuck. And the reason why the show has changed is because like, and the reason why dance with the stars is literally almost canceled. In fact, it was taken off the air. They skipped a season and then they, they had a season of it like not being live or that, or, or something. I don't know, but it was, it was on life support. And then they, it reinvented itself. So it's like, it kind of, for all the like purists out there, it's just like, well, if you had it your way, you wouldn't, you wouldn't be on TV, right? People aren't watching knowing the niche ness of like, Oh, his point was sloppy and his hand was off when people are voting for their favorite song. Yeah. There's pointing for vibes. They're literally voting for vibe. Yeah. I wonder who call. She says is gonna like go home next. Yeah. What is a call? She calls. She's saying, Oh no, let's see. Let's see. Let's see. There's only three weeks left of competition on dance with the stars. And it is our favorite time, uh, to make some predictions about what we think is going to happen with our friends from call sheet. Because with call sheet, you can put your money where your predictions are because you know, everyone's, everyone's a know-it-all, you know, everyone, everyone wants to talk their shit. Now you can back it up, put your money where your mouth is. Yeah. Uh, anyway, so what is call? She, what, what, what are the markets saying for, uh, who the, who the, who the people think are going to pull it off. Okay. So right now the call, she call, she stats for the dancing with the stars season 35 winner, we got at 59% Ezra at 19% Harry and at 14% Amber. Wow. So if I put all, if I put all the marbles on Ezra, how much am I, how much, let's say I put $10,000 in Ezra. Holy cool. I'm just saying like, what if I, if I, if I'm like, I believe in Ezra, I know he's going to win and I want to pay for my daughter's college with, if you put a thousand, you make like 900 bucks, something like that around that. Yeah. You're talking to someone who doesn't understand math, but it'll tell you, it'll tell you if I put it in, just put in $10,000. Oh, call. She is right there. Even if you don't know how to do math, you don't have to do it. You don't have to know how to do math. Just thousand dollars. No, not 1000. One more. I got to pay. I got three. 15,409. You can make five grand off of Ezra. I think I should do it. There's no way Ezra is not going to win. I don't think we should put $10,000. Yeah. Low key. Right now that let's, let's be fiscally responsible here. You want to spend $10,000 on a, a bag with, this is not about me. Sorry. First of all, you're always telling me there's a return. I can get, I can make $5,409 right off the jump. Okay. Just by backing up. Let's look up on call. She, if I resell a Chanel bag, how much it's going to go for. Yeah. How about we look at that? Yeah. It's not going to go up $5,409. I think you're wrong. I think it'll go up 10. Yeah. What are we, what is the trade sending, uh, saying on if Nick will buy Natalie? What is the trade saying? Yeah. Uh, are they on my side or what? Can you trade or predict on like a finalist? I think Tatiana will be in there. And I don't see her name up there. And I feel like a hundred bucks going put some money in my pocket. Yeah. So we also have season 35 finalists on call. She, where Tatiana, she's, um, she's becoming a favorite and she's up 47%. So she's in the top three. Oh, it's interesting to see how the market's changed. Connor's up 77%. And that's what, what to make the finals. Wow. Yeah. How many people are in the finals? Google. Well, it can vary. I think it's usually four. They're not a little where there's stars finale. Let's see. It's usually four, five couples, five, five. How many are left? Isn't there like six? Yeah. I'm hammering. Really? One more week left? Four or five couples. No, it's gotta be four. Cause it's three weeks left. So they're going to eliminate one couple each week. There'll be four. There'll be four. And what are Tatiana's odds? 47. 47%. It's gone up 47%. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'm surprised Jenna's gone up. Maybe did it go down from Val's suspension? I don't know, but she went back up. More of. Yeah. Wow. Down 25%. That's crazy. I really, yeah, I really didn't see that coming. It's classic. Tales of all time with the internet. Like they let it build you up just to tear you down. Well, she also has been feeling, she was sick this past week too. She wasn't feeling well. I know she posted about it and was just like, so I think she was struggling. But you know, she's feeling the pressure when she's leaning into her sad story. She's like, let me tell you about how hard my week is. I had a cold. It seemed like more than a cold. I know, but come on. It's they, they love to amp that stuff up, you know, desperate times call for desperate measures. Yeah. Well, I'm going to convince my wife to put 10 grand on, on Ezra. Won't be convincing me, but we can put some money on for sure. Call. She goes way beyond politics with markets across sports, culture, and entertainment, economics, technology, weather, and more. So whatever you like to make predictions on the weather would be, would be fun. The weather would be fun. You'd probably be better at it than like the weatherman. Probably. There's a 96% chance that it's already raining. I love it. And don't worry. Call. She is CFTC regulated and federally approved by the FCC, by the FCC, by the FCC. I don't know if it's the fire community. Yeah, it is. Well, if you want to check out this market and see what else people are training on, use our call. She link in the description and pinned comment trade $25 and you'll receive a $5 discount. We'll trade 25. Should we get to some love is blind. All right, let's get in some love is blind. What are your thoughts? Rachel generally on the season? This season, Boston in particular. Number one, I feel like they're turning out seasons faster than ever. Truly. I feel like every time I wake up, there's a new city of love is blind, which is exciting and scary all at once. You know, it's fun. Tell me. I got a DM from a love is blind website. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Oh, yeah wait guys um they were like hey natalie like we're casting for can i say this i'm sure i can't right for georgia she dm'd me like sorry she could have said off the record she probably trusted that you were netflix talent and would know baby better not to okay so they're going back to georgia wow yeah and she dm'd me and was like i know you're from savannah do you know anyone oh and i was popping people off left and right you were recommending i was recommending i made some wrecks i sent some profiles and i didn't tell anyone of the people that i sent that i sent them so wow and i'm assuming like a lot of your women friends and men and men friends some not even friends wow some just like could be good tv but boston boston yeah this is a season where i think the the women for the most part were so much cooler stronger better for the men which i think does reflect a lot of what you're saying i think the women were so much cooler stronger better for a lot of things that are happening in the real world but i was pretty scared by certain men on this show to the point where i was like i think they're plural yes not just rob not just you think john i mean stew also frightened me stews he was the guy the rich guy yeah where i felt like they were giving us one version and then behind was actually so much more sinister but what part are you being like sarcastic facetious serious when you say scare scare i guess i'm being hyperbolic a hair well because when when we talk about rob he legit scared scary he seems like in i said like on tuesday's episode i was like he looks like he's from the movie the town every person watched these last couple of scenes with robin were genuinely frightened stew just looks like a quirky guy and john like also seems like totally fine and maybe you know maybe he's yelled at a barista once and had to apologize at some point in life but i don't scary i feel like john is john scares me as well john i think is pretending to be a nice guy because he knows sarah's a catch but the second there's not cameras around he's punching walls you think he's a wall puncher for sure like on a regular basis one time he played video games when i saw his bathtub i went that man that mold oh no that's reflective of an angry man yeah that was yeah that's reflective of an angry man yeah that was not i think sometimes we talk about like but like the the rob like again when he was like i'm gonna get canceled i'm gonna get canceled we were talking about like it's like he knows who he is and when he was like should i do this show and they're like well just don't let him see rob right you know yeah um and then as the show was filming that his saying i don't want to get canceled it was him kind of projecting that fear yes i i feel like it's very different than like i don't know i just think sometimes i get what i get frustrated with reality tv does course or just discourse online it's like we we expect human beings not to be human yeah like you we can't get mad or angry or sarcastic we can't we can't raise our voices you know we can't get elevated because everything is like watched under a microscope and we have the ability to like i don't know it's just i think john's biggest red flag is is his weightlifting trophies that is a great i'm so glad you clocked that yeah that was because like like i'm all for like staying in shape well actually not lately but but keeping the trophies as like a bodybuilding bodybuilding is hardcore it is intense it is like it requires a certain level of insanity and intensity and to me the fact that he bodybuilds and keeps those trophies and they mean something to him actually is way more of a red flag than him getting heated at customer service i think he's just hiding what he how he really feels about the world and his i think sometimes we watch these shows we are per you know because like we when we watch these shows it's reminding us of ourselves and the people we've dated and and i just think sometimes like with like again the rob it's like we all watch that and go frightening that's a dangerous person we have we've all seen met that guy at the bar as opposed to projecting moments that may remind us kind of of a situation that we kind of had a couple years ago and then like labeling that person bat like i don't know i like labeling someone dangerous or scary i think he there's just a difference between somebody who is a good person and somebody who like really wants to be a good person for sarah i'm just not comfortable saying that i know that john's not a good person by watching this as opposed to i feel comfortable saying that rob's not do you think they're a good couple clearly sarah like can spot like knows a good you know like i trust sarah to choose her person yeah and like i think she's got a good head on her shoulders i think she like wouldn't be swayed and it turns out like maybe they end up together sarah's twin looks so much like her that it was jarring yeah but she has a twin too she's a twin and like everything about them looked the exact and sounded you know when twins have the same voice it's thrilling that's so interesting what if dove and iris have the same voice all right sarah's twin identical or yeah well then yeah i know but they can still sound the same they could but the fact that they're identical twins i think makes it far more likely you know them being identical and all i know but i don't think identical like comes with your voice they share the same dna mostly why do you think they look alike you think it's just looks you don't think it's everything else going on i feel like voice isn't part of who you are i feel like you can got no fucking i don't know like why would your voice not be i feel like you're depending on who you're around like your voice can change like you know it's like you think i have like identical mannerisms to my dad you would you know you don't think your identical twin sibling would like the motor skills actually pretty interesting i have no idea i don't know but that is interesting maybe they'll sound we googled it they do not have the same voice identical twins usually ha bitch just shared genetics so yeah take that you and your identical dad what's the difference between isn't your voice part of your genetic genetics i mean you can change your voice people change how they i don't think your voice is part of your genetics like voices it has to be though because like there's a reason i can't hit a falsetto and somebody else can if i wanted to change how i talk i could it says it's influenced by your genetics because of like throat length and thickness you can manipulate your voice a lot but there's a baseline there's a starting point right no give it to it give it give it to us dna is found in your genetics uh dna and genetics are not the same thing that's kind of news to me sometimes i feel like i don't know anything yeah voices tied to genetics got in way too sciencey dna is like what's tied to the looks so anyways back to what i was saying incredible i was feel like i was right all yes yeah yeah and they have the same voice i do trust sarah as well yes i trust her i think she's smart i think she's kind i think she is super warm and i want to trust that she's seeing more of him and the more of him that she is seeing must not be scary yeah because why else would she i hope that like my take on john is that he's very sensitive and he's very emotional and sometimes he tries to overcompensate or mask that by being like hyper masculine so like he takes a lot of pride in his weightlifting trophies and like just being like the raw milk of it all i don't know just being like a guy's guy um but i think he's like deeply emotional and hopefully she sees through that facade or that mask and sees like the little boy in him and like maybe that's what's endearing to her i think she's drawing out good parts of him but he's not he's not doing the same for her and that's frustrating to watch yeah i hear you on that i want two people to like meet each other and be like wow i'm like like who i am more and instead she's like i'm like i'm like she's like hey i don't want to have to tell you to do these things that's interesting she clearly makes him like better yes and like he's even said that he likes who he is more because of being around her right whereas i feel like she hasn't changed because of him right but you have to be willing to change true yeah what is she you know she damn near perfect i don't know what she needs to fix i ain't gonna lie she is perfect she handles everything she's amazing i'm in love with sarah she can laugh shit off she can like take a joke she can dish it out even yeah and like ask for him to improve like i don't know i've seen a fly i mean like maybe but but maybe like just to play devil's advocate i mean like sometimes people date people who aren't who aren't like maybe john isn't at her level right yeah right and sometimes people date people who like don't make them a better person but like they feel superior in that relationship that's real though i know what you're talking about it makes them like you be with somebody to help you feel better yourself like because maybe you're slightly insecure i see it more with friendships and i judge people about who their friends are if they're clearly the alpha of the ball this is i mean speaking of friendships and people giving bell of the ball the whole blake friends yeah of it all where he was like you can't come i need to talk to them and then like this friend from saint thomas this girl like has such a big opinion on erica why she matter like what is going on here you know why she matters they've definitely smashed they smashed or she's obsessed with them maybe they still smash or she's been trying to smash the long con you think she's just like if i stand by this guy eventually maybe but in what world does an adult straight man yeah have a relationship with a woman where her pain her opinion matters this much right where there's not some romantic crossover of some kind you know what i'm saying totally totally red flags even if she's like a fucking therapist the other day it's like this is my relationship like even as your cousin it's like even if you're i mean your sister i mean like yeah i hate coming back on this show looking kind of like one of the men on this reality show. I feel like Blake and I have a similar vibe. The hair. Same haircut. Same haircut. It worries me. I keep coming here being like, I gotta get rid of my haircut. Do you also like to sail? Blake could not rock those kicks. I'd love to sail. Thank you for saying that. He could not rock those. Thank you. He couldn't pull these off. We also have a very similar haircut. Yes, we do. You got a little lettuce on the back. You're very handsome. Wow. Thanks, man. What else happened? I hope they address that at the reunion, I will say. The girl, yeah. Also, the two, his friends, Blake's friends, the women, grilled for so long about St. Thomas specifically. Island living, island living, to the point where she's crying and then they just completely back off. I'm like, that's what you wanted to happen. They really did not let up about any detail at all. And she goes, I'll just, I just, we won't be together. And they go, no, no, no, no. And then they backtrack. I think one of the biggest reality TV mistakes, people, is the friends and family who show up and go, I'm gonna have my moment. I'm gonna play bad cop. It's like, no, no, Blake's friend did that. He was like, I'm just surprised Blake's even with somebody like Erica. He's like giving him a hard time. You just look like a dick and then you kind of make your person look kind of like they're bad at picking friends and family. Because he's a reflection of you. Yeah. And it's just like, it never, never fucking lands. You can be the concerned friend without being like the interrogator. I'm trying to think of examples. Like Melanie's parents from Love Island. I always come back to Love Island just because, just because it's so popular. But like Melanie's sister came on Love Island and was like, sincere is bad for you. Like the concerned friend versus, yeah, like Rob's friends who, this is my moment. So tell me about your meme. It always comes with a level of like, so, this is my moment. I'm gonna be snarky. Have you guys seen the memes of Erica next to Mary from Sister Wives? No. Oh yeah. I don't even, I didn't, I haven't, but I can picture it. I mean, they're the, it's like face for face swap. Like truly, exciting stuff. As a, as a Sister Wives fan. I don't know Sister Wives. It was, once you see it, you're like, holy shit. There's a resemblance. Yes. It is. They have the same, similar hair lengths. They have literally the exact same smile. The exact same smile. Two blonde women. Two blonde women with a good smile. Shout out. Let's put Rachel and Blake and Nick side by side. Yeah. Us three. Just we look like different evolutions of transness together. Just like, just like a little bit more testosterone along the way. Oh my gosh. Did anything else happen that we need to? I, I would be curious what other people think. When everyone was meeting, when they all combined, obviously Rob stole the show, but Malane and Wilson talked. Yeah. And I thought it was an interestingly tense conversation because she, you know, he was saying, you really, you left without saying anything. And then. I think he really liked her. And I think she ghosted him. And when that happens, you've, definitely feel like there's unanswered questions. And I think he liked Wilney. I think he really cared and liked Wilney. And, but he was in one of those situations where it was like, he didn't feel like he got to make that choice for himself. She made it for him. And I think it leaves some unanswered, unanswered questions. But it was weird how he was like, yeah, you ghosted me. And she was like, ghosted? He's like, you literally ghosted. And didn't say anything. Left without a word. She's like, oh, yeah. Okay. She kept defending and then, was like the exact thing she's being accused of. She goes, oh, that part? Total. It's like, that was shocking to me as well. Do you, how do you guys feel about the, the classic argument on the show where it's just like, I, you know, I want to be picked. I want to be someone's number one. And then the other person being like, yeah, I mean, I wanted it. I want, sure, but there's a, there's a process, like, there's a process, like, you know. Totally. You can't, these are not regular world rules. You will be two. They will, I mean, they really want, a lot of times, the show wants there to be a big pick between the final two as late as they can go. So I think a lot of times when people are like, I want to, I'm not going to be second choice. I think that's, they're saying that because that's how they would feel in the real world. Well, that, but also they're kind of saying, I want you to be attracted to no one but me. I don't even want you to like, to know that you are attracted to anyone else. I don't want you to be your second choice. I want to be your only option. And it's like, okay. It's an unfair expectation to go into the show having. That's crazy. That's crazy. That's any expectation, any in real life at all. Exactly. Imagine your partner doesn't have eyeballs. And most of them are just like, I wanted to date other people and like things about a lot of different people but realize that I can't be without you. Right. Which just sounds super romantic. It's very, very beautiful that love is also a choice that you make to do because it's, but you could, to say like, you can't even, no, that scares me. Do people say that? They like, don't even look at other people? I think some, people pretend that's the reality. I think what the truth is, they don't want to be the one not picked. So they, what I will say is, they quit before they get fired. I feel like what you said about how it's not the real world, unfortunately that, I mean, the internet's also not the real world, but like people date via the internet now. And what's interesting is that kind of concept is what people I've noticed are upset with about dating in 2026 because of the internet you have other people to choose from. So you're often most people's second, third choice depending on just who they're DMing, who they're going back and forth with. So it's, it's kind of just all blurred into reality at this point. I feel like everybody's having options and there's always another person to maybe catch your eye or to pique your interest. Do you think, you guys think you could fall in love through a wall? No. No. No shot in hell. No? None of you? Could you? No. I think I could enjoy talking to someone and connect with someone for sure. Fall in love? No. You think you could? Absolutely. You think you could get down on one knee on that show? One thousand percent. Really? I'd be the easiest to produce on that show. I'd be like, I already brought my own ring from home. It's my grandma's. You know what I mean? Wow. No. I could fall, but I fall in love very easily and I think like something about, I don't know, I find it to be romantic through a wall. It is. But it's not a snowball chance in hell for me. I would, if I went on that show and proposed and the wall came up and they weren't for me. Right. I would be the biggest villain on that show. on that show ever because I would be like, no. Good for you. You wouldn't even have the decency to like mask it. Good. I would try. I want them to have uglier people on the show. Yeah. I want to have hotter people. That's what I say. I think there should just be a wide variety of like, if love is really blind. Right. Let's really lean into what makes people different. I want, of course, tens on personalities. Of course, tens. Of course. But I do want to see more different types of bodies. And test the like, like personality matters more than looks. Because we have a lot of mid personalities and mid looking people. I'm like, make something more extreme. I want like different, different heights, shapes, sizes, colors, like all that. Right. That's what I want. But to like Stu and Wilney and Wilson's point, like sarcasm doesn't really come across very well on reality TV. They've all kind of said like their humor wasn't understood. It's being misinterpreted. I just think they're not funny. It's a great point. I think people. You're a comedian. You know how to crack a joke. I know how to crack a joke. I will say like. I feel like you'd be funny through a wall. Thank you. I think I would be as well. But with editing and with someone who like maybe doesn't like your vibe editing you. Yeah, true. Sarcasm is like your worst nightmare on reality TV. Because sarcasm requires context. Yes, it does. Because otherwise it just sounds out of context. Landing a joke without setting up the punchline. Right. That's not good. And all reality TV is. Tripping out context of what these people are saying. I can't honestly tell what the editors are trying to make us feel right now about Wilney and Wilson. Like I. It's almost like they don't even know sometimes because sometimes they're being cut and it's like very pro Wilney where she's like I'm not going to be this type of a wife for you. I'm not going to cook for you. I'm not going to clean for you. But then sometimes you're like wait do I feel bad for Wilson because he literally is. She kind of switched up a lot outside of the pods and he's not getting equal partnership. But I don't even know if they know. It kind of feels like Nathan Felder's producing that part of the show. Yes he's in the back like. It's like no we want this reality to be misinterpreted and confusing. Wait I want your take on Aneha and Cam. Oh yeah. That's what I want to hear. Oh man. Give it to me. I'm. I. Aneha feels so young to me and I think that the second that Aneha met Cam's sister she was out. I think that's what did it for her. And she's been playing along like I love Cam. I need Cam. Once I pick they're my person. But like she I think got completely turned off sexually when his sister was like he's never made a choice in his life. He followed me to this town where he went to my college and he lives in my house. I think Aneha was like dried up. No it's gross. Yes. It's disgusting. For sure. And she was like oh and you live with your brother and she's like no no he lives with me. Yes. And that was like a huge red flag for all of us watching. Like he had never moved out. What's a bigger bigger dating hack? You still live with your parents or you move back in with your parents or you move in with your sister. I think sister is actually worse because it is more complacent. It's more like you're going to ride this. Like parent moving with your parents is almost like a period of time and I'm going to save I'm going to grind I'm going to go. I'm like I bet he will say with his sister his sister is like I think she's my roommate as opposed to like yeah because a parent there's a clear like I can't keep doing this. Right. With your sister there's a level of like I mean we're like we get along so well. You know. Also I don't like brothers and sisters being that close. Like be fucking get a friend. I feel like when you move back in with your parents like that's actual rock bottom, like square one, with your brother or your sister, it's like, that's the problem like I when I broke up with my girlfriend in my 20s I moved in with my grandma hell yeah and that was like rock bottom yeah but you know what like hitting rock bottom can be a good thing you know or at least feeling like it right where you're like this can't this can't be I see what you're saying this can't be the end I'm doing this because I have to as opposed to like being like hey this could work this could work I can get used to this the only thing worse than hitting rock bottom is hitting like right above rock bottom and being like I can get used to this yeah okay all right convincing yourself that like a low like is actually not that bad and you kind of like it wait why did you choose Phyllis over your parents because she lived downtown and she's cool that rocks dude I see I hate that I thought about this from the perspective of like I would feel better bringing like a girl home and my sister was there instead of like my parents judge me for that I thought you're gonna say like because grandma wouldn't care who I brought back I didn't bring girls home to grandma no grandma can pull Phyllis Phyllis can get it Phyllis go keep her company she's got a pinball machine she's a night owl and she would knit so I'd get home from the bars and we would shoot the shit and talk about that's a great debrief the girls right that's fun I love a grandma's boy also big brewer fan shout out Phyllis Nick randomly posted a picture of his grandma Phyllis wearing like a brewer's hat when the brewers were playing the world series and put zero context and he hasn't posted anything personal on his stories in far too long that it was like this random photo of this old lady who like some people might not even know this is your grandma it's like what are you doing I gotta say I gotta say I gotta say like posting like a normal dad the way I have been lately as opposed to like what you're going through right now I know coffee man I feel it's freeing isn't it oh my god it's so freeing you know cause like man I remember I had a birthday and I was single and I was just like what am I doing bro Halloween was sad I was working doing these solo Halloween costumes watching everybody have like their partner doing these like cute couple costumes it was fucking terrible you can do a couple's costume with a friend I've been doing it I did it with my buddy we were Hal Jordan and John from Lancers and does that not fill you with love and wonder and hope for the future for like for a little bit and then you I gotta get off Instagram no you gotta work you gotta do your thing but I can tell I'm a full my wife guy because online if anyone does like hit on me in my DM's which is rare it always starts with respectfully and that's how you know oh that is beautiful yeah it's really tender but lesbians are different online than I think what is going on in these spaces yeah it's a little bit more abrasive maybe in these spaces it's seeming to be well we will dive deeper into all of this next week when everyone has a chance to watch the finale see who gets married and all that stuff but oh and the reunion yes of course our favorite but we do need to talk about Potomac and the conversation between the Grand Dame and her husband saying that she was more fun and more sexy when she was not sober aka when she got arrested and was in prison for how long insane that was Ray who said that right yeah he wanted her to tear him up it's also what he said but it does sound like she ain't looking at him for sure and noticing him she did say when you get out of prison the last thing you want to do is fuck and the whole time Ray just wants his freak back for sure Ray just wants to get his freak on with his old lady it's crazy that she got sober and is seeing clearly and she's like and that is not somebody I want to have sex with at all and Ray is like I miss when you were getting blasted and like we were just hooking up spontaneously but I do in all seriousness it did kind of more read like you don't like me yeah I don't feel like you like me anymore and I will you know obviously it's not great to like you know your partner who clearly has a drinking problem to suggest that maybe they were a better hang for sure it's fucked up honestly no it's not great but I think it is coming from a place of you just like if I'm being real about how I feel about this like we're married so like I'm just like speaking like you don't like me now right and I liked it better when I felt like my wife liked me you know and I hate that the drink you know I feel like it's more coming from that place definitely it definitely feels like he's like you don't like me anymore now that you're but him also it's so crazy to be like that drunk version was fun when that does come with being in jail hello what and like how alone were you when she was in jail right more than now he only liked her when she was Thomas Jefferson's concubine oh hmm hmm hmm if anybody needs to be on the dating apps it's Ray so it sounds like not Tia's husband yeah not Tia's husband Rob Rob maybe they can hang and he can yeah maybe they can go on double dates he can help him get a profile a nice little two man he'll be like he'll help him write his bio I can see that that conversation between Wendy that double date was the ultimate they were fishing it was like a passive interrogating like a passive aggressive interrogation of trying to remind the audience of who's going through it more right whose lives are worse and Wendy interrogating Tia and Rob Wendy's question to Rob of like so are you lonely so yeah why are you so lonely can you tell us why that was crazy Tia's like you don't have to answer he's like no no I'll answer what are you just go to therapy why are we having this like what also Wendy like when I honestly appreciate Rob and Tia being like yeah like no this isn't the darkest point of our life or marriage yeah it's like how many kids do they have together four and like and I'm not saying yeah it would be crushing if you found out your partner like made a dating profile like not great not a great day right for sure tough definitely have to work through that probably get some therapy right not day but darkest day of your marriage or life it's not shocking to believe that maybe that's not it yeah yeah and maybe it's not like criminal activity allegedly but maybe it's somewhere in between yeah that's what's funny is like the odd thing is like the odd thing to like question somebody else's marriages knowing you're being investigated for crimes is crazy the fact that Tia took it that long so how are you guys doing let's pull the script real quick and do your kids know about everything what'd you tell your kids about this pending trial is your legal team feeling good about do you need to borrow any money for those fees or I mean it was a lot you can tell so hard sometimes when these people have been on reality TV for a while that they're very much like and this is going to be this is going to make me look great I'm going to now have a chance for you guys to be the one that has all the heat but they did flip it around on them did anyone's parents or grandparents sleep in separate bedrooms no yes oh my grandparents did my mom's parents did really yeah yeah it was kind of weird my dad's mom slept in a separate room as her husband but their age gap was like 30 years or something he also had a lot of money I think she was a lesbian now that I'm saying it out loud my mom used to tell me that if I didn't stop snoring that my wife was going to make me sleep in a different room you need a CPAP machine or I think I just grew out of it I don't know I used to have asthma you don't snore anymore I used to also have asthma I was told I don't snore anymore so that was a big win are you mouth taping at night or no I don't do that or maybe you're just terribly single that you don't have anyone really letting you know what's up or she might be lying to me but who's she I'm out of coffee to sip damn it are we in a situation ship you're seeing somebody is that what you're saying is that what a situation ship entails yeah yeah I mean do you see her is there regularity yeah she's the only one I see though you feel me like is there there's regularity I'm single how many I just moved to LA I'm getting old people how many not enough unfortunately how many what situation ships how many situation ships can you be in before you're toxic the goal is to not be in a situation ship though the goal is for a situation ship to turn into a relationship so the fact that there's still situation ships is probably not a great sign which is why and you have multiple yeah yeah I would say that's arguably arguably what's I'm a situation ship for them too though like I'm part of their roster I get the hierarchy I know definitions lose their meaning but my definition I feel like one's that matters when it comes to situation ship and if you yes of course all hail king Nick give it to us that's very Sue Sylvester of you very like I decided it's only a situation ship if there's one person who wants to make it a relationship and one person not otherwise you're just two people hooking up you're just two adults oh then bet yeah I'm just hooking up yeah bet but if one person is kind of like secretly like there might be some of that you know it sounds like it's on your end because you said that situation ships ideally turn into relationships yeah sounds like you would like it to become a relationship no no 100% it's not true with my current situation ships there's a reason they haven't become relationships it's maybe probably it's entirely because I don't want it to become a relationship oh I see okay cool yet yeah maybe yet but he does know that someday what do you already know I'm too busy that they will become Jimmy he's in his I mean he's how old are you if I may give it to him Rachel no no no give it to him he's kind of old I mean I say this with love I say this with love every great fuckboy wants to get married someday yes yes okay but just not today I genuinely I genuinely do care about this one girl a lot yeah and I know that if shit were to get real I feel like I'd fuck that up like I wouldn't be able to be the partner she probably deserves and it's easier to just not make it put it title on it not like yeah it sounds like pressure labels on it i like that your insecurity comes from within of yourself i think that's beautiful there's room for growth instead of being like none of these women are good enough for me it seems like you're like they're all good enough for me i need to be good enough for them and that's beautiful that was beautiful take your time lifelong but you're just continuing to like hook up and stuff with her i mean yeah she cool she know the deal she know that like i'm not gonna give her probably what she would like right now oh there it is yeah so never mind we feel like yeah i was gonna say you're yeah no i didn't know you're buying what he's selling i i heard it at the end and i i take back what i've said yeah yeah wait why right now because you just don't want to it seems like she's in a relationship yeah that's fine which is fine i don't but you have a way of saying it that makes you sound better which is like i can't give her what she needs and i'm really care i'm considerate about her feelings you really really want to be well why can't two things be true though because that is true you are a great guy i'm just saying but like at the end of the day she don't want to be with me like she don't i don't even know who she is but you know that you don't and you're not 100 sure that she doesn't but you do enjoy the sex entirely yeah and is that on the the blankets on the floor in your apartment or did we get a bed oh we're at her place right now yeah it's a lot of boxes in the crib right now should we wrap so jimmy can get a bed frame all my stuff's at her house we actually is there is there like a way to be to be single like yeah while being like you know sexually active without you know insinuating the wrong thing and just like both parties are on the same page so if as soon as feelings start to become real for the other person i'm supposed to nip it in the butt yeah and how much huh so as soon as she's like this needs to be like give me the ultimatum then honestly give me the ultimatum then because i will keep it a buck i can't give you what you want so then we should probably go our separate ways but if she's still down just hang out fuck around what is this what does this talk look like what do you mean voice memos no but like when she whenever she's just like letting you know that like there's there's interest in more uh it's more so just like hey what you doing you know just like kind of reaching back out like we should hang out soon but it's like is there like a hey i'm like starting to like have feelings no there's no there's nothing like i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't like i think that's a very be very vulnerable on her part to do okay you're picking up subtext yeah you know what i guess if that does happen then the clock start then the clock yes then then the clock starts right poor girl and then i honestly man on some real shit i think it's one of those like she doesn't want to say that because she doesn't want the clock to start because she knows i'm not going to be able to commit so i think she just cool with things being what it is right now maybe she holding our hope maybe it's false hope i'm i'm giving honestly i'll just say when someone's trying to be cool they're not actually cool do you think she'll watch this i think i think you should jimmy jimmy you need to tell her you need you need to no just let it play out but it's fine but i'm just saying if you think she's trying to be cool girl if she's you're either cool or you're not cool but i don't want i think you should stop i mean i think you're selfish listen wait listen wait so you don't want to lose her but you also don't want to be in a relationship i don't sound like nick he's just a boy jimmy jimmy look at me in my eyes right now if you are in a situation where you don't want to lose her you love her then no that means you could maybe just date her is that that big of a deal like why because that because because i'm not i'm not going to be the boyfriend she why not it's just true why not that comes with a lot flirting does it comes with a lot what if it was just like normal i do like i do i do say i do like to think that if the right person came my life right now that i would be able to make those sacrifices so maybe she's just not the right one then i think jimmy's in the i just moved to la and i'm 28 era and you know that's it's it's not more complicated than that it's my dog right you know you guys should get deeper into jimmy's love life on biofiles plus we do have james and oliver phelps up snacks you know them from the very popular harry potter heard about it but they're also the hosts of the harry potter wizards of baking and we had a chance to catch up with them talk about being twins as twin parents and uh obviously it's very nostalgic we talk a lot about a lot of harry potter conversation just from from how they got casted to how it's impacted their life it's uh it's a really fun and uh great conversation especially if you grew up reading or watching harry potter they are up next james and oliver welcome to the show thanks very much for having us guys i'm curious what is more of a shock to you guys that you guys have were casted in the harry potter franchise it's been 25 years or not you find yourselves host of a baking show what what is more of a i can't believe this is happening um i think probably probably the fact that we're still here 25 years ago in doing potter related stuff you know is when we started when we started the movies we we never envisaged it going on for so long and being as popular as it is maintained if not got got higher and higher and i think that's a really good point because i think that's a really good point um so that was the the incredible thing part of it but then being able to host the baking show was has been so cool especially to be in our third season of it now as well has been um has been a real gift yeah it's really incredible i mean 25 years when you say it out loud it that that seems like a long number of years but at the same time it it's i don't know i think for all the fans out there it's just like it also kind of doesn't seem that long ago and to your point it's as big it's not going anywhere i suppose if you guys want to do this you could be involved in this franchise for the rest of your lives do you ever i imagine you guys talk about that a lot and and about how crazy it is every conversation how can we do that um i think that it's it's just what we've learned from from the movies uh from the first day of filming we we saw the attention to detail that went into it and then uh any theme park that they have created like the universal stuff that they've made and they've made it into the movie and they've made it into the movie and they've made it into all the all over the world or exhibitions that have gone traveling all over the world or and then to the there was the baking show as well everything potter related has always been to the highest standard so that is always fun and it's very easy to be a part of something when you know that they're gonna try the very best to get get the um the best satisfaction from the the guys watching it or partaking in anything are y'all bringing home any baking like tips now are you well the trouble is i'm nowhere near a good baker in my household so my wife is a very very good baker like she's she'll do like really really cool stuff she actually made our wedding cake and everything like that like she's she's really into it my eldest daughter she's nine so she's really into baking cookies and that but with that end when we found out um when we were asked to approach to do the show um but like jane's wife was similar that was the first time that either of our wives had been like can i can i listen to the show and she was like i don't know i don't know i don't know what what's going on like i actually cared about what we were doing in terms of like we love watching baking shows like great british break off and things like that and then for that end like when we were filming so my my wife and my eldest uh came to the filmings and just seeing them on the set they were more impressed i think being on the set and watching the chefs do their thing up close than anything else and that was that was really special to be able to see yeah that is really cool i am curious so are y'all fraternal or identical twins identical identical so we have four month old fraternal twin girls congrats thank you i ask everyone who either is a parent of twins or is a twin themselves like what advice they can give to us because we can take all the advice that we we can get what is one thing that you loved about your childhood that your parents did for you mine would be that they always even if it was maybe subtly for a bit uh dress is slightly different or different in general because that helps forge your own identity to a point um and it was only really when we went to a school most schools in the uk you wear a uniform um that we would dress identical the rest of the time we would like i was always in being oliver i always had olive green on be it trousers be it a shirt something like that maybe it's different i think that helps forge your own identity slightly as well um because otherwise you can be seen as a package which is fine in some regard like we've done all right as i have a career out of it but in an individual point of view like i think everyone likes to know themselves as them as their own but we're pretty in like we're pretty different personalities in regards to like a you can my friends can normally tell when i'm doing something work related because i'm clean shaven uh usually like this time yesterday i had a beard and all this kind of stuff so it's very much uh you're a lot more um neater yes yeah to piggyback off that question what is something i'm sure your parents were lovely and great about you and what do you think is the most important thing for you right but what is something that you didn't appreciate as twins that you kind of rolled your eyes at as kids because you hear like dressing them separately like i think twins parents were like let's make a match you know like and maybe they'll really hate that um to be honest it was like oliver said like our parents were very keen to make sure we had individuality and i've i've spoken to some twins who they didn't have that and they had a bit of a character um what's the word like an identity crisis almost yeah exactly like later on and And whereas we were always taught to be ourselves, individuals and all that kind of stuff i think that it just made it easier to dress similar not identical but similar because then that stopped arguments down the line if if i wanted to if i couldn't find my sweater and he had one i could then pinch it yeah but so then that will cause a bit less arguments if we can't tell exactly who's is who um but we were very i think as as our parents did i couldn't pick anything that was i would i would say i wish you didn't do that because like i say it was very not not strongly uh influenced for us to be individuals but it definitely made it easier and i think later in life it definitely helped because people just assumed that being twin jewel exactly the same all the time whereas we were very very aware very early on that we were individual people i imagine that's interesting to hear because i imagine that maybe made it easier for the two of you to continue to work together all these years right because i could imagine if you didn't have that individuality you could have had a point in your young adult life where you almost wanted to break free from each other and yet maybe you guys never felt that because your parents instilled that individuality at such an early age that allowed you guys to not rebel almost against you know you know having a career as you know with each other working together you know and and that's a really cool thing sure i guess so i mean we we're quite unique in regards to that we're we are individual people and and what i mean by that is that like we don't need to be with each other all the time and i guess we've never been that way in regards to we're very fortunate that we've had a career where we are together quite a lot um and to to a degree that we know what how i know how to push these buttons and he knows how to push mine and obviously a mature thing is learning not to push those buttons so often and i think that's a really cool thing to be able to do and i think that's a really so you can work together um but i think that what's what helped us for our career wise is yeah we were able to um put up with each other a lot more than being tied together outside of work as well um because i think that definitely wouldn't have wouldn't have worked is it annoying being referred to as the twins or do we like it no hate it yeah we that's one term we never say oh the twins are here or anything like that i think that's always quite a i don't know why i don't know why i mean people know this is the reason or the fells twins or something like that but yeah we're never uh if someone says where's your twin like you mean my brother i don't know why i'll always correct them on that type of thing no that's that's a good that's good advice because we always refer to you know we have an older daughter so it's always like oh the twins are over there let's get the twins where are the twins and we should probably just call them by their names one of my friends her her daughters play in the same rugby team as as my eldest and she's like oh they they're she refers to her too as the twins and and she is i can't i'll just it's just a habit i've got into so it's just something that always will always stick around i suppose if it's there what was it like uh in the work environment like competing were you guys competitive with one another or were you building each other up were you empowering each other were you able to like pick up each other's slack in other areas what was that like no to this day we're still very competitive with anything so it's um but i think it's because again because you're around each other all the time growing up um i'm talking like when you're elementary school years and all that kind of stuff um you're honest but i don't know whether it's necessarily a boy thing but definitely boys like to be in competition for for stuff right so and like brothers in brothers in all ages but when you're with that person all the time there's definitely a competitive element and that still happens to this day yeah we could be in a we could be in like a golf competition and i'll see first thing is i'll see where i came and then the next thing is where did james come all right did he beat me that's like a that's like a straight straight of the comp and i don't think i didn't that that ever leaves is it no how old are your kids uh so i've got other two girls they're nine and five um so they're they're a good age but again like they've never but they've never seen harry potter anything like that so no way yeah they're they're aware of it but it's only from um well then you know the post like your oldest knows the posters yeah i'm not sure if you're aware of it but it's only from um well then you i've got a poster in my the one room of uh from the seventh or the eighth movie of james and i and they only know it from that really but whereas when the bacon show was happening especially the first season my eldest came down to the set and it meant more to her being on the kitchen set than it did going in the great hall or the weasley house or anything like that and it's one of those things i want them to find it on their own it's their appreciation i've always explained to them it's it's afforded us the life we've got and the cool stuff and the cool opportunities we're able to do and it's one of those things i want them to find it on their own um but then on the other side of it we were in orlando last year for the opening of epic universe and uh i took i took the girls on the the hogwarts express and on one of the parts is where our characters we fly next to the train and almost like talking to the people on the carriage and my youngest it blew her away she couldn't work out higher i was by the window but still in the carriage next to her as well so it's um it's it's cool to be able to see it through that through that point of view that's what i was going to say i was going to say that's what i was going to say curious about just because the the harry potter world is truly a universe right and it is near and dear to so many people i mean kids but adults it is truly a community and i was curious how you know if she was a fan and if how you introduced it but it's cool to know that like she still may one day pick up the books read it and really become a fan of the universe only to then be like and then kind of comprehend your guys involvement in that universe as opposed to being like dad's been this movie and you need to like it because you know what i'm saying we are a part of it is is it's really neat yeah exactly into kids parties though no oh yes i went to i went to my um one of my daughter's school friends had a potter themed party um which was really weird because i went along and only a few of the parents know that i'm i'm in the films and everything but i got there and dropped her off and sat in the corner or sat talking to some parents and i think people who worked at the venue thought they'd got me there to do a tour or something and they're probably like god he's a really he doesn't want to do anything doesn't he that bloke he's not dressed up or anything so that that was quite interesting and then seeing how it's now a new generation of it you know who who are who are into it and know everything about it and again it's that thing of i'm not going to force it on anyone but we know what it means to so many people and to be part of that and to be especially we're lucky to have played two very likable characters that we've met people and it seems to got more like i suppose like the older we've got a bit and now the age and the people who grew up watching the films have grown up with it so they're more like you know when we're filming we're like 18 19 whatever we go to bars and stuff not many people are really watching harry potter at that age whereas fast forward a couple years later when people have grown up with it are then going clubbing we're getting recognized by people telling us about grew up watching you guys and and all that type of thing it was it's really cool seeing it how it's as i said earlier like it's gone into a different generation i mean even on this show y'all are filming on harry potter and harry potter and harry potter and harry potter and harry potter sets does it still feel nostalgic yeah it does um because you know when in the movie when people have a flashback and it like it yeah essentially like flashes through their brain i remember on the first season we were filming on the great hall for the finale when they like we announced the winners and everything and we have to stand up on the platform where the teachers stand and i i literally they just needed an eyeline just for the camera to set up so i said wait in there and literally out of nowhere like a bolt it just hit me of memories that i haven't even thought about for however long literally but it was i was a bit taken aback by it because i was surprised how many were still there that i could remember and looking back from now to then is it was quite you realize what a special time it is in your life not only being a teenager going through all that kind of stuff as well but i'm still very good friends with a lot of the cast a it's not just the the filming aspect of it it's the the whole crew that they came to make it to oliver have you had any of those moments yeah a few a few as james said you kind of realize actually what it means to be inside that like to think about that um because when you're filming it we always saw it as um obviously great that we're doing the films and being part of it but whenever we'd explain to our friends who we grew up with it's yeah we're off to work like it's a job it's what we do um and then it's only really in subsequent years later you realize actually these were massive years for us these are when you're learning who you are as a person um and experiencing something totally new and then you said i suppose it's like if you went back to your old high school if you enjoyed high school or something like that you suddenly are like oh wow this was these were good places these were good times and fortunately we had that experience on the great hall and other times like that did it seem uh smaller as an adult than when you were a kid because speaking of i went back to my old high school once and i'm like why are these hallways so short i don't know i remember it being so grand and if i were to go back to my old school then yes i would say that but when you're going back to a huge sound stage which is you can fit an aircraft in no it didn't seem as full then um but i know what you mean like it's i i to me it's just the great hall it's where we filmed stuff it's where on an off day if it was empty we'd play football in there or we'd ride bmxs or something around it like it's that kind of thing whereas now you go there it's in london and it's there's like the the velvet rope so you don't go past a certain point and things like that which is quite funny to see. When you auditioned for the role, did you guys realize what you were auditioning for in terms of the scale of how big Harry Potter was? Or did you not at the time? We knew that it was popular. It was obviously still only a book at that time. So I think the fourth film had just, or the first, sorry, the fourth book, The Goblet of Fire had just been released. And there was a lot of fanfare about that. A lot of people were excited about a midnight release of a book. And so when they were casting for the films, we went for, as you mentioned earlier, that day of school. It was a way to just go and they were auditioning for every part in the movie. And there was thousands of kids there going for all different parts. We realized we were the only set of twins who weren't in identical clothing, which probably isn't a good thing when you're going for identical twins. Going back to what we're talking about. Yeah, going back totally against what we said earlier. So then you realize, yeah, okay, it's popular. But I think at that age, you kind of just assume every film is going to be popular and every film is going to be big and lots of fanfare. But it was only really in subsequent years later when you realize actually they've lasted not just the test of time, but also the fact that they're able to make it seven, eight movies on it. And when it finished, I think it went out probably as popular as it had ever been. And I think that's probably when you go out on such a peak, that's what keeps it in the mind's eye. So people long for that again. How did you two get into performing? Was Harry Potter your first experience or were you guys doing other stuff that led to that? First gig, literally. Wow. In fact, two weeks before that, I've told this story before, but I'll say it again, that the two weeks before, you have to select essentially what you're going to be doing in your high school years, but in the UK. So the drama teacher at our school said, don't take drama because you don't have a career in it and you'd only be wasting a class. So anyway, over the summer, I got cast in Harry Potter. So I think that's satisfying. It's going into. So then I told this story years later. Basically, the moral of the story is just because one person says you can't do it, that doesn't mean they're right at all. So I ended up going, we're at Universal for one of the opening of the theme parks and we're doing a Q&A in front of literally tens of thousands of people. And I tell this story and someone's obviously recording it. It gets back to me. Apparently, this teacher was still teaching at the school. And a pupil had got this video and was playing it basically like it was going viral around the school now. Anytime he started giving advice, like direction or something, he was like, I'm not going to listen to you. What do you know? Which gives me huge satisfaction because I think anybody that tells, especially a teenager, you can't do something. Couldn't agree more. Especially a teacher. Exactly. You should be encouraging them to, even if it isn't, you don't think they're very good at necessarily acting or performing. Maybe they could say, but when you look at working behind the camera, when you look at working in theater, you know what I mean? You could help drive that passion in that way, shape or form. So it gives me huge satisfaction to prove that guy wrong. The ultimate revenge. That's a great point. I think, yeah, at that age, let the parents to teach, you know, pragmatic decision. But like a teacher at that age, like killing a dream and telling, a young kid not to chase something they believe in. Like that's, that's kind of, that's wrong. It is. But I've heard that many people have told me that over the years. And like, I can remember, in fact, maybe it was our school. I think it was our school. I remember an art teacher told my cousin not to go into modeling, like clay modeling. And he now, he's worked for, he's designed cars for Ferrari, for Bugatti, for like Audi, all these things. So it's, it's one of those where, just, just go with what you want to do, you know? And I was, I actually went back to getting my English qualifications later in. So when we're filming the seventh movie, I did like an online course and I got my English literature qualifications and things like that because I genuinely wanted to do it then. And whereas when I was at school, it wasn't necessarily something which grabbed, like grabbed my attention. But I think that one thing I've learned is that you're never too old to learn something. If it gives you some passion to do. Oh, I love that. What is your, do you guys each have a favorite pastry that you've been able to enjoy from all the baking? There's, there's a few really good ones. Like there's, there was one on the last season, especially what Alex made, which was like a, like a chocolate bonbon, but it had like some, I forget what even what the mousse was inside. It was like a smoked mousse. It's like chocolate mousse. Smoked chocolate mousse, which basically melted in your mouth when you put it. It was like something from Willy Wonka. It was like a solid piece. And then once it went in your mouth, it basically just, disappeared, but you tasted every second of it. And then in this season, there's, I don't want to give it away, but there's a, there's a taste in the finale, which is like nothing I've even heard of, let alone seen in terms of presentation, in terms of taste. So I won't give it away, but it is, it is what I'm looking forward to. Duff, Duff Coleman, who's one of the judges, one of the ministers of baking on it. Even he had no idea what had happened, as in like how this had come about. And if any scene, he's seen it all. So I generally, I'm excited to see that. Cause I'm sure that's going to be a, have you seen this moment that people will speak to each other about? I, I, I enjoy cooking, but I know nothing about baking and cooking and baking are two different languages and baking is such a science and it's so cool what people can come with, come up with. It truly is fascinating to see all the inventions that people do when they're baking. Yeah, exactly. I think as well, cause it makes you, but even like working on the show, from our point of view was cool. Just seeing how the guys just make use of what they've got. And they say, right, well, we're going to use this because we've got this here, or they may have tried a technique before. Um, but it does give you license to try some stuff at home as well. Like even obviously Halloween's just, just been, and we had pumpkins in our house and I was like, I'm gonna make pumpkin soup because we can, cause they're there. And even just that was cool. Turns out I'm the only one who likes pumping soup in my house. So I'm, I'm done with it for a year now, but it was cool though, just being able to do stuff like that. Because I probably would never have given that a go. Um, but just, yeah, just using what's in front of you. I mean, both of y'all are sitting, so I, I mean, but you look very fit. Are we watching our way outside of filming? Are we just indulging in all day dark colors? My routine when we were filming was I'm, I'm quite an active person anyway, but I would literally do a 5k run and then go to work smart. Wow. Cause well, then I could have complete guilt free eating all day. Uh, my friend, who's a nutritionist said, I cannot stress this enough. Do not keep this up when you finish filming because it's not a healthy lifestyle, but it was in our brain. It makes sense, but yeah, I don't know for a body. It's truly my energy. That's how I viewed it. I think I just got more into, I did a lot of running last year and sort of like training for a marathon. So I did the new marathon last year. Um, and then at the end of that, it was my knees were saying, you can't do that anymore. I think I need a new knee. Um, so it got more into strength conditioning this year. So that's more, but, but I say it's like anything, it gets you away from doing anything else and it just makes you, um, I think if you can, if you can stay fit and healthy and active in any way, it puts off a lot of other other thoughts elsewhere. I'm curious. I'm sure you guys have been asked this before, but I do want to ask it. Would you guys have been sorted in a different house? You're you guys as real people would have been different than the characters you guys played as real. Yeah. So we did the, the Pottermore test system. It used to be used to be. Yeah. So you just came out, you do all the questions. And it fills your, uh, so yeah, I was put into Hufflepuff actually in real life. Uh, and I was a Gryffindor, but I don't know if that's because I sorted it myself, knowing that the, the answers had to get there. Kind of the answers. Yeah. I think that was it. And I've already got the school tie. So it made more sense to do that. You know, I have to ask guys, what did, what did the butterbeer taste like? And did you get to have any chocolate frogs? The butterbeer when we're actually filming. Yeah. Was vile. No, it was basically ginger ale with whipped cream on top, wasn't it? Yeah. It was foul. That wasn't good. But then obviously since, since then they've created, they actually, cause it was only meant to look like it, right? Not actually the flavors. But then since then, they've actually gone into making the, at the theme parks, you can have it. And at the studio tour, and actually in, um, one of the episodes, one of the teams actually create their own spin on butterbeer itself, which is quite a, that tasted really good actually. Yeah. I was going to ask you, which what's better, the show universal or what they made on the, on baking show. I think in terms of, universal wouldn't be able to make on mass the, the standard of what these, these guys are doing, because especially, you know, I mean like, um, Chris was a, um, James Beard award, um, finalist. Like these are really, really high standard of chefs and what they're doing and what they're coming up with, with their, their mindset. Um, I don't think you could do that on mass at a theme park. Yeah. It's hard to say. I mean, there are some good stuff at universal though. Like the butterbeer, the butterbeer with ice cream is very good. Um, but yeah, I don't think it would quite win whizzes of baking. No, but what I really enjoyed was that I'm, I'm one, I'm, I'm a nerd for a lot of things. Like I've happily confessed to being a geek of a lot of things. And one thing I love to do is just ask questions. If something really interests me, I want to know as much as I can about it from literally some of the best in the world doing it. So one, one time, so there's a guy, Rui, who's a molecular gastronomist, who's basically a scientist of food. And, he's worked in so many michelin star restaurants doing all these cool things and i swear that his perfect vacation is going into the middle of the amazon or somewhere and finding these incredible fruits which change your taste buds called miracle miracle yeah so he gave me this this uh miracle miracle big miracle bean it's called and it it takes it tastes it takes away all sour tasting from your mouth so you have this thing and then you eat a lemon and it tastes like an apple what which is the best party trick if you can get your hold on your hand on one and just say someone here i passed us that that lime or that lemon and just eat it normally oh my gosh it blew my mind your brain's thinking no this has got to work why is this not doing this like it sounds like the buzz buttons do you know what a buzz button is no i learned about them in la they're these little like buds of a flower that like they're supposed to be like flavor enhancers and they kind of like numb your palate some people love them some people hate them i thought they sound kind of similar but it sounds like so i say this guy really he it came to a point where you had to ask him before you even got there what have you got which is going to potentially kill me today because sometimes you go up and say oh can we have try this without thinking you go yeah okay and it would be the most sour thing in the world it's a bit it reminded me of um come to that episode of the simpsons where homer goes to the sweet show and he has the most sourest gummy and his face like eats itself it was like that it was so sour and he's oh yeah that's it'll do that it'll do that i have to ask you guys you made a cameo on traitors new blood if you were to be cast as a duo on the celebrity edition who would be more likely to be a traitor and who would be more likely to be a faithful i would 100 be a faithful oh because simply because where i what do you mean by that when when we ever we have to obviously part of the job is saying who has won a challenge uh of wizard baker sorry and then another part of it is to say who's going home and telling someone who is going home is it's it's so bad because i like i really want everybody to do well and i tell the uh the gallery i don't want to know until i have to tell them because i can't do that thing where you have to pretend that you don't know and when and they make you leave that dramatic pause which happens on tv like that actually happens in real life so you say and the people going home this week are and like attend second gap oh my god at that point i can't look at them in the eye i literally i'm looking above their heads just like scanning so on camera it looks like i'm looking at them but really i'm not looking at them at all so if you were a traitor they would know immediately they would know 100 if it was me i'll be i'll be there going i'm so sorry turn yourself in exactly yeah oliver would you be a traitor oh yeah definitely yeah this is shocking to me i could do that no i could do i could do that definitely yeah i don't know why i probably would i would have guessed the opposite i don't know why i probably would have guessed the opposite i don't know why i probably and that's the other thing as well it's like if we're a duo they're going to guess someone else they're going to think no it can't be um so yeah you could always try and get away with a bit of and if they saw something amiss they may actually blame james and i just have to sit there quietly like yeah it was yeah he's got my vote yeah did you guys ever in school did the whole like classic like trade clothes and and go in different classes and try to confuse people no actually no we never so our school not apart from being um not very encouraging for careers james dream shattering factory uh it was also a um there was five sets of twins in our year group at school something in the water that year i think where we live um yeah for that many twins um but there was one set of twins who they they were like they would swap around but it came to a head one year when the one swapped to be the other and ended up getting suspended but it was actually he got his brother suspended for what he was doing so it was like oh that's hilarious yeah we normally we're pretty we're pretty good on the whole i think the only time we ever switch when we're filming was when i was sick and oliver had to pretend to be me as well for another camera angle or something yeah it was in the second movie yeah yeah we did that and then other times other times it comes in handy though like you know if you're checking if you're in a hotel what room do i stick this on yeah i've got my brothers just leave um so it does come in handy at some point uh what was your guys's favorite scene to shoot um during the harry potter movie era i think the one that always stands out just in terms of a great week was the the yule bull in the goblet of fire film because it was the first time it was like proms are popular now but certainly when we were younger then they just weren't a thing you don't do prom at school um certainly like you know dances or anything like that you may do when you leave school and like the last year of high school but certainly before that there's no such thing as like a spring dance or anything like that so everyone there was quite this is quite a lot of fun and it was a lot of fun so it was a lot of fun and it was a lot of fun and it was a lot of fun and it was a lot of fun and it was a lot of fun and it was a lot of fun and it was a lot of fun and um they'd redecorate the great hall and it was just before christmas so everyone was in the festive spirit anyway and i just remember that whole week being absolutely brilliant and at the end of it like i wish i could do that again so that was that's always a standout for me that's cool i really enjoyed the in the sixth film weasley wizard wheezes the um the shop that fred and george have uh because having a set which like there's actually a full 30 foot version of yourself outside and then you're like oh my god i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do this and then how they created that set was the front then went in like it was you could go from the outside then straight inside and that's still the same set so it's quite unique in that regard as well so to have that and pretty much it was all about us in that that section as well that was as an egotistic point that was that was a really good couple of days filming that with uh with the new shows coming out what is are you guys follow it closely or is it just a matter of time until you're done with it i don't know i don't know i don't know it's just more like kind of letting that have its own thing or how how much attention will you pay to it i probably will just give it the same attention as probably most people watching it you know it's not it's nothing to do with us we don't know anything about it we haven't seen more than anyone else has seen on it or anything um i just hope the guys who are doing it and i'm sure they will have as much fun as we did that's the the one thing you know like we we're lucky we're lucky enough we're invited to go to a couple of conventions a year and like comic cons and stuff and and then we're going to have a lot of fun and we're going to have a lot of fun and we're going to a few of these things you see actors who have played a character which has then been played by another person and then play it so you can gauge them ideas and what's it like when that because when they first announced it it was a bit of an odd take of someone else playing you know for me someone else playing george weasley i was like oh right um i remember asking um asking one of the guys uh who was super who played superman once upon a time and said how do you work with that you know it's been happening for centuries people have played macbeth how many times since someone's interpretation you know so you kind of just let go someone that's there that's what they're doing um but i just hope that they hope that they enjoy it like we did and i'm sure they will well just thinking about that it's it's cool to see you guys have such a positive memory of the experience and you're still with it and honestly it it feels like that's kind of been the theme with uh all the all the kids that you're at the time you guys did it did it you know i don't think with a lot of shows that involve a lot of children or over the years or franchises always have the same track record of the fond memories that come with filming the show what why do you think that is that allowed most i can't speak for everyone but it seems like most of the actors and the kids involved in this franchise have such a very fond and enjoyable experience throughout i don't know really i think it's a i think a combination of lots of factors i think us all being apart from a couple of people unknowns like it was our first kind of on that even playing field from from that get-go uh and apparently they the when they were casting us and all the other kids they're also paying attention to the parents as well in the waiting room and kind of making sure that they weren't going to get the the stage mom and dad kind of forcing you try to jump in like and then making sure that you're still able to have some kind of childhood or some kind of growing up uh way but also i would say that there was definitely a i don't know whether it's a british thing or not but no one was allowed to get above themselves with within the group like if if someone was ever kind of getting a bit big-headed in the later ones you would get brought down very quickly by one of the other cast members even harry yeah i mean the thing is though danny's like the most down if you've ever made me he's one of the most down-to-earth people you will ever meet yeah i've that whatsoever so um but we we still you know we have a good laugh like i i was in new york a while ago and i'm i met up for lunch with him and like we it's one of those where like it's it's friends from sorry high school or college you may not have seen each other for 10 years but if you meet up with that person you're back into it where you were then and um when we filmed the 20-year anniversary uh that they that they did uh we all went for dinner after the after we finished filming and it was literally like just us cast members in the in this dinner and i won't go into what was what was talked about and everything but at one point someone said only the people in this room know what it was like like everybody else can get an idea but only us will know and uh i think we've all got secrets on each other which we'll take to our graves thank god it's like that kind of uh that kind of environment that's really cool i mean that's you guys are truly a part of something historical. to that point it'll you you'll always have that you'll always be able to share it and it's it's really unique and very cool yeah yeah and as you said like there's you've got relationships with people for for decades really and then it doesn't matter what environment you're in like last last september i played in a golf competition with tom felton at the the rider cup we were like partners in it it's like you know maybe 20 000 people he's just name dropping here don't indulge it but i was there's like a load of people like thousands of people watching us play golf and we're just ribbing each other as like each other's like standing over a shot and i was like i can't believe you said that last night and he's sitting there what did i say what do you mean what do you mean and again it's this it's just it's just having a bit of banter with your friends you know and it's um i think that's what keeps so many of us when we do catch up with each other just slip straight into it and just have a good laugh with each other that's great well james and alvar i appreciate you taking the time uh it was great uh catching up with you and just hearing your stories uh so thank you i appreciate it uh the show is harry potter wizards of baking it's streaming on wednesdays and hbo max food network at eight o'clock and uh hbo max as well i appreciate you guys this is so fun to talk with you guys thanks so much guys really so much guys and all the best thank you i appreciate it and congratulations again likewise nice to meet you guys well i'll do it for today's episode rachel hi thanks for coming love you i love you guys this rocks the advice of course man you guys this is so much fun thanks for having me back always yeah open invite yeah and congratulations on uh nobody wants this thank you that's very cool thank you i want to continue acting yeah since it's so easy for you yeah for sure since you won self-tape and you're hired yeah it's crazy people make it seem like it's hard it's like it's literally not hard like you did 100 auditions before you got booked like i did too yeah booked both any acting classes or not even have to do that just either you got it or you don't it's like your voice your it's your genetics it's dna and genetics exactly but this is so fun also thank you to james and oliver phelps uh we appreciate them and we appreciate all of you also if you haven't checked out the eric and hammond going deeper episode that dropped this week be sure to do that it's a good one and she is a fascinating person and we got a chance to get to know erica a lot more and hopefully you will too so be sure to give that a listen we'll see you next week for another jam-packed episode uh we got some great stuff lined up for you so we will see you then bye you