E1214 - Bre Tiesi Talks Special Forces & Selling Sunset, Love Is Blind INSANITY & Halloween

(upbeat music) - What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Valfaus Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host Nick joint by my gorgeous stunning Miracle of a Wife. - Oh, thank you. - Really joy. - Thank you. - We also have Susie and Jimmy here, not a couple, but they do look good together on a couch. You guys look both beautiful this morning. - Both Miracle this morning, thanks guys. - How are you guys doing? How's your Halloween? - Great. - Good, yeah mine was kind of an uneventful to be honest. - Yeah. - Did you go to any? - Y'all didn't like get out and trick or treat and go party. - I did. - Jimmy did. - I know Jimmy you've been like you made it seem like you moved to LA just for Halloween. - Yeah. - Well that's how it feels bro. This fucking city goes crazy for Halloween I'm learning. - Yeah it's the whole month too. Like I think my Halloween started on like the 13th, I'm pretty sure. - Yeah and I feel like I've been getting invites to shit since like before I even moved out here. - Yeah. - Is it still going? Or are there Halloween parties this week? - Oh it's time for Christmas. - There was stuff all, yeah. Every damn day, I did this a shift crawl thing. That was fun. - What's that? - Like you like a bunch of creators and reality TV stars like work a shift at like a regular nine to five joint. - Stop, can I go next time? - Yeah the next one we're doing is at like Dave and Buster's. It was actually a gas. - Please invite me. - I would love to. - And you'll do it. - We did it at a Mr. Charlie's. Yeah you could do that because like none of us, it was only like five people that actually like worked. I was outside like fucking around. It was a lot of fun. - Which one were you? - I was doing the sign shit, twirling the shit out of it. - You work it. - Oh yeah, I was hustling. And nobody voted for me for employee of the day but I had a great time. - That's so fun. - I got you next time. - Yeah I would love to come. - Yeah it was a good time. We had some people from the ultimatum there. - Oh. - Who else was there? - Some other, just a rather reality TV stars. You know I'm still learning the landscape a little bit. - The crew. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It was fun though. - What did you dress up as? - For that, oh we had a, oh I wore a, I was a butcher. I was a butcher for that. I was Brad Pitt from Fight Club. - Like sexy butcher. - Oh yeah. - Or just like regular butcher. - Super hot. Like shirt, no shirt underneath just like the smock. - And like a classic butcher, not like a butcher of people like serial killer. - I guess you know Jack of all trades at that point, you know? - For Halloween. - Yeah, it was to say animals people. - I had the bloody knife thing. - Okay. Who a team are you reppin' there Jimmy, on your head? - Oh my bad, this is the San Diego poch raise. - No, it's okay, we beat your ass, so. - It's like my team, it just matched the fit, you know? - Yeah, it's a good fit. - That's cool, that's cool. - Well I have a little bit of like a hot take for Halloween. I've been seeing a lot of online discourse about Halloween and like kids this year for the first time really. - Oh. - A lot of like, why are we celebrating Halloween for children? I guess it's kind of how it's coming across. So it's basically saying like this is a holiday that is like meant to be scary. And it's like why the decorations, the costumes like seem to be getting more and more out of hand, even for like adults, they're kind of scary. And so it's like I don't wanna, you know, take my kids trick or treating if you have all these decorations outside of your house, it's like gonna give them nightmares and it's gonna scare them. Like why are we purposefully doing that? Which I find really interesting because I obviously feel the same way. Like I don't wanna scare my child. But then I think about it and it's like, I take River to school every morning and we pass obviously all kinds of houses with skeletons and, you know, whatever. And I'll be like, oh my gosh, look, there's a skeleton. And then we talk about, she's like, oh, scary. And I'm like, he's not scary, he's silly, look at him. And then she's like, oh, he's silly. And then it's just like changing her perspective on it. And so I wonder if like that's, - Yeah, you can. - Call it comes down to him. - Teaching fear, I mean, yeah. I mean, I think to that point, it's just like you do spend a lot of energy trying to not teach her to be scared of certain things that she doesn't need to be scared of yet. You know, like I think, right, there's a difference between telling your kid you should be scared of something that, it's just a decoration. There's nothing to be scared about, right? Obviously that's different than the stranger danger and things like that where there's some things that your kid should be wary of. But yeah, like you'll use words like spooky and scary, you know? - Yeah, like we were watching Sleeping Beauty, I think it was. And she was like, she must have watched it with my mom or somebody and we were sitting together and she was like, oh, skip, skip, skip, skip. And I was like, skip, what do you mean skip? She's like, skip it, skip it. And so I'm like, okay, so I'm skipping it. And it's like a part where the little pigs are like fighting each other or something. And I was like, oh, wait, no, let's watch this. This is so silly. They're like, they're wrestling each other and they're like tickling each other and it's so funny, let's watch them. And then she was like, oh, that is funny. So I'm like, I wonder if you just tell a child that something's scary and they automatically think it's scary and then when you change-- - It's interesting. - The perspective, it's kind of like exposure therapy. Like with Halloween, if you're like, oh, we're not gonna go to this house. Like, I mean, to be honest, I'm such a scaredy cat. So I don't know what my parents did. My brother's not raising the same house. Like, he could go through a haunted house, doesn't bother him. I'm a scaredy cat, but it's kind of like exposure therapy. The more you do it, the more you're like, oh, this isn't so scary. This isn't so bad, right? - Yeah, and there are like a lot of kids who will pick up their parents totally. - Ticks and, you know-- - Anxiety. - Fobias and things like that. That if you're not conscious of how, you know, like, rivers at the age where she's just picking up everything, right? So if-- - I'm just thinking, now, can you gaslight a child into thinking that, like, Annabelle's cute? And just being like, no, no, that's not scary. Like, this is adorable. - So we were flying to Canada yesterday. And we were flying United. They had the screens, whatever. So honestly, I said this in a previous episode. Like, when we're flying, all rules go out the window. It's like pure survival mode. I'm like, you can watch whatever you want to watch. I don't care. Like, you want candy. Let's eat candy. I'm like, all rules go out the window. - Yeah. - So she doesn't, the one thing we don't do on airplanes is, like, headphones. Like, she doesn't, like, she just watches stuff with no sound. And so my mom was sitting with her and we were about, we were like 20 minutes from landing. And she was like, kind of starting to freak out and the screen starts, like, going through what they have to watch. And it, she saw the symptoms. And she was like, I want to watch that. My mom was like, no sound. I'm sure it's probably flying. - Oh my gosh. - Oh, he click it. And the whole time, it's just us, like, reframing what the hell is going on. And it's, like, so scary. There's, like, an elf that, like, turns into a devil and is, like, fighting the little baby. And she's like, why is that baby sad? And we're like, I think she's happy just playing with this elf. - Oh my god. - Finally, I was like, we got to turn this off. That's so funny. - Thank you so much. - Halloween, trigger treating has gone on in control. I don't know. Well, maybe it's just where we were. We went trigger treating with some friends and we kind of went to their neighborhood. It's a beautiful neighborhood. And we love where we live because, obviously, it's lots of families, lots of kids. But this was chaotic. It was like, it was-- - Guys, these houses had like-- - It's like a festival. - Bounce house in their front yard, bounce house. - They probably gave out the big candy bars. - It was crazy. - It was, yeah, but it's like, yeah, the parent, I mean, it's cool that the whole neighborhood really got into it, but it was a zoo. The whole time we're there, all I'm thinking, we brought the twins, we're wearing the twins, we're with River, so it's me, Natalie, and there's a lot of parents and a lot of kids, but you're just constantly like, this is the place you're gonna lose your kid. I'm saying, 'cause if there's so many distractions or so many kids, it's easy to run off. They wanna go from house to house. And it was just a lot. I just don't remember, like, trick or treating, when I was a kid, when it was during the trick or treating period, you just, you know, you'd go outside and you see a bunch of kids trick or treating, right? But it wasn't like, this was like a mob. This was like a music festival of kids, trick or treating. - That's probably sick. - That's the thing, though, like, think about their perspective. They're probably like, we're like overwhelmed, overstimulated, like, this is the coolest holiday ever. - Energy. - And it just feels like nowadays, I don't know if parents have too much time on their hands or what, but everything is just, like, amplified to the point where it's just like. - So much stimulation. - I will say, me and my friends, I had a bunch of buddies in town from Miami, and they all had an Airbnb in West Hollywood, and we realized that we were in a neighborhood and we hadn't got candy for trick or treaters, so people were pulling up to the house and we had no candy, so me and my buddy decided to go trick or treating ourselves and repurpose other people's candy for our trick or treaters. - Just to have candy when they come knocking on the door. And it worked. - That's amazing. - You're basically Brittany from Salt Lake City. - It was crafty, it worked out great. The kids pulled up, trick or treat, here goes some sour scatles and go on your way. - Wow. (laughs) - Meckers can't be choosers. If you're knocking on my door for candy, you get what you get if it's lashes. - I wanna do a bit where I'm actually giving out, like, like, coffee cake cups and different, like, little, like, random things. I don't even know. I gotta think of some crafty stuff. River went to a house where they were giving out toys. They were giving out those, like, squeaky chickens. - Yeah, like heavy meals and stuff, then heavy meal toys. - And we're like, what is this? - There's also, there was just one house that River and I walked up to and they had this big bowl of candy and like, you know, the plastic pumpkin plastic. - Take one. - But we walk up and the woman is bringing out this box of pretzels and this box of pretzels. of goldfish. Like that's something you like you, you know, you buy it like a Costco or a Sam's club or whatever. And it was if like she really wanted to get rid of these goldfish and pretzels. And by the time we got out, she's like, here, you know, you got, you know, what? You've had enough sugar. She's saying this forever, two and a half years old. And she like forces the pretzels and the goldfish and like throws it in river's bag. And as if the candy in the bowl was not available to her. I was like, you're just trying to get rid of your shit. That's actually such a funny thing. Imagine giving out like the old box of like frosted flakes that are like stale or some shit because you just want them out the house or like some cheeses that are half eaten. It's like you'll take over the pepper. It's leftover. It's leftover. Like molded pepper. I mean, so, you know, hammer or helper. Are you heat up like a toaster strudel or some shit? It's like lukewarm. And it's a, why do I think the toaster strudel? Well, we have a jam packed episode lined up for you. We have Bre Tse from selling sunset. Also, she's on this season of special forces. And we get a chance to catch up with Bre to talk all things going on in her life, including her time and special forces. What's going on with selling sunset? Obviously, there's a shakeup with the cast. A lot of new people coming in. We're bringing back Christine Quinn. Bre is one of the few kind of holdouts or people from the previous cast that's continuing on. So we get her perspective. We also get to talk to her about her relationship with Nick Cannon, a fastening relationship that is non-traditional, but she is one of the mothers of Nick Cannon's babies. And obviously, many people are fascinated with that relationship and we had a chance to talk with Bre's. So that is later this episode. We also had, I, one of the most, one of the greatest episodes or a batch of episodes of Love is Blind. I mean, so much to unpack. But just what I love, I'm loving this season, but we have a lot to get into with that. And that's coming up momentarily. And then we also have OC and Salt Lake City. Before we get into any of that, Amanda Batulla, no longer on in the city. She is hanging up the cleats, so to speak, or at least taking a pause. I'm pretty sure it was because people didn't want to film with West and she was like, he's either in or I'm out, right? It's last, she wanted more money. I mean, I saw her tweet. She like retweeted something that someone said about like, she's not coming back to in the city because Kyle will no longer have control over her and like the narrative. And she like put a target, like my God. So it's kind of like, you know what? I feel like Kyle has been very like, and I'm not a Kyle apologist because I don't want us to forget like, you know, how their relationship was prior to this past season. But I feel like he's been pretty gracious about this whole thing. And maybe there's a lot that we don't see. But I'm like, considering Amanda left and sort of dating their best friend. I don't know, I think he's been pretty chill. He has, but I also, it's in his best interest to be chill 100%. And I think he's just playing it smart. Okay. You know, in a sense where it's just like, how would Kyle act if it wasn't in his best interest to move the way he's moving kind of thing? Yeah, it's hard to say. Do we also think it's harder for Kyle to be that way towards men and easier for him to be that way? You know, like, I don't see him fighting the way he fought with Amanda with West. That makes sense. Like, and wait, do you remember the last one of the episodes where he was like screaming at Amanda and was like, fuck, you're giving me fuck you eyes? Yeah. It was like a huge fight. And then he like, ended up having this fight with Carl. But like, I don't, I don't see him acting that way towards West. And maybe we would have seen it in the city, but I just don't think he, like, he didn't even give off that energy at reunion. Like, I feel like it's easier for him to like, speak that way and get frustrated and angry at Amanda. Yeah. I think because yeah, I think Kyle's like, I think a lot of guys do this where it's just like, you know, they just want to be a bro with the bros. So unless, unless they're really coming at each other, right? I think Kyle just avoids those kind of triggering topics with his fights. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, so when he fights with Amanda, I think, you know, it can get personal and things like that. But I think, yeah, I think Kyle avoids those types of confrontations with men. Yeah. Do you guys feel like there's a show without Amanda right now? Like, yeah, for sure. You do? I mean, let's be honest. She wasn't that relevant for in the city outside of the carryover from summer house. Yeah. But like, other than, I feel like Lindsay's very interesting. But other than that, like, I don't know that I'm, like, I think I was kind of hooked on in the city simply because of the Kyle Amanda. No, I mean, I said this, I agree. I mean, I think Lindsay had to carry way too much weight. I think, you know, she had, you know, the whole Kenny and Whitney of it all was very manufactured, where, and then the rest of the group was mostly like Whitney, they're Lindsay's friends. And so they are all kind of hovering around with Lindsay and just, you know, she's the queen and I think there's, I think Lindsay's friends need to step up in a way. And I want to see the drama in that group because it was just, oh, easy target Kenny and Whitney. Let's just go after them, like Whitney, one of the sweetest people in the world, which felt like no, I'm drama to me. I'm like, this felt like an uninteresting and manufactured, but I think I've seen a lot of, there's like going to be a cash shakeup for in the city. Okay. Have y'all seen those? Oh, I saw something about like Joe and Serena. I saw like a, I saw somebody, you don't think so. What love that? I would love that. I think it'd be great for the show. I think it would be amazing for the show. Obviously. I just don't think Serena is. Serena's too classy for that show. She, yeah, they're both I, in my opinion, very classy, but also Joe would just, you know, mix it up and, you know, I think Joe would just like have some fun. But I just, I can't imagine Serena, like giving a shit about some of what would no doubt be like manufactured drama. I don't know. Yeah. No, I feel like they would be, I know. I feel like they would totally lean in and they would, it, like, I think they would be fun. Maybe. Like I think Joe likes to kind of stir the pot a little bit. Oh, for sure. Oh, my God. Do you remember Joe on Paradise, the leader of the pack, the way he riled the troops and had everyone come down and he exiled somebody, I forget who, but, oh, I've been my friend, right? Yeah. They definitely do something in my opinion because I'm personally not sure that I'm tuning back in, you know? Well, I hear Carl's coming. Does that change things for you? Carl who? Oh, yeah. That does change things. Okay. Yeah. He's full. I think full cast. Yeah. Okay. We do. Do we have a full cast? No. No. No. You mean, you mean Carl alone? Carl makes you go for that one. He says exiting Andrean Lexi, Danielle and all the members. Andrean Lexi, we're like, we got a kid. All the moms are leaving. Rumored to join Carl Radke, Natasha Parker. Oh, I thought too. Yeah. I would watch that. Natasha would be great. Yeah. So good. She would be great. Yeah. I feel like Natasha brings me back some interest. I'm like, okay. I think Carl's interesting. I don't, I guess I don't know. You know, I don't have a thing that's going to make you watch. Well, with Amanda and Amanda leaving, I'm kind of like, what am I going to watch? But to hear Carl's coming back in and Lindsey and him used to be together. I'm like, that's interesting to me. I love a little X dynamic as we all know. Yeah, weren't you just, what were you doing with Clayton the other day? Oh, we were hanging out, you know, we, uh, we were filming a little something, you know, okay. Yeah. We love friendly X's. We can't, we can't all be friends with our X's, you know, or all of our X's. Yeah. That is true. Do you feel like that's if you were to get in a relationship, do you feel like you would keep the friendship or do you think? No, no, we, well, we've, yeah, we cut each other off. Whenever we've like dated, we never, like if he's hit me up for something and I've been in a relationship, I'm like, Hey, like if it's been a project or whatever, or like a favor, I'm like, no, I'm not going to like go out of my way to like do that or whatever the thing is. Um, but we've never like circled back. You know, we've never like hooked up posts break up or anything like that. We've maintained like one of friendly relationship and sort of like I guess a business relationship. And we've always like support each other and like hooked each other up with opportunities or whatever. But whenever one of us has like been talking or dating somebody, we never, I would never hang out with them or anything like that. Well, speaking of X's and people breaking up, let's get into some of love is blind. This was excellent television, but also very scary to watch. And I'm like very worried about. Well, yeah, we'll get into the rob of it all, which is wild stuff. Lots on pack. Yeah. We had a Neha and Cam with some. What do we think of a Neha and Cam? You know what? They're becoming one of the more normal couples to me. They are. Compared to the other people. Yeah. Compared to Rob McCaley. Yeah. Yeah. So, well, I think she's, I think she's softening a little bit. She really rubbed me the wrong way and she still is. But I think, I think she's putting in some effort. And I think that she's also being stubborn on certain things where she's unable to like waver. Like she's like, I will say with you until you need to fall asleep. And then I'm going home. And I think that's out of like principle rather than convenience. But he's also not willing to like, it feels like he's not willing to give her flowers for her. for being accommodating, you know what I mean? - So a question, when that, I felt that that was a crazy conversation. - It was. - Just like, we're watching it. I'm like, what's this going on here? You know, I'm curious, who did you feel looked more crazy in that conversation? 'Cause it was like, where is this coming from? Like, why does a Neha need to soothe Cam so much for that she needs to be like out? Like, I will rock you to sleep. And then I'll drive home at two in the morning and wake up at four in the morning just to make sure you're okay. Like, but. - No, she was saying to, so that we can spend our maximum of time together. - Yeah, it's a quality. I mean, I'm kind of shot. I mean, it seems like they clearly go back to their lives. They literally go back to work. You know, which is great because it really makes it a real experiment to say, okay, we're home now. Go back to work, live your normal life. We're still filming. You're still in this experiment. You're still courting your fiance with the expectation of getting married at the end of this. But you have to live your life and they have to give a sample of that. Which is, it seems like watching this couple. They really, it's no bullshit, you know what I'm saying? Which is, it is fascinating. - On her end, he cool whatever. He go with the flow like. - I don't know if he is. I personally felt like with her career and obviously we don't have all the context, it seems like she has to be somewhere kind of far from where he lives in the morning. And she's like, I have this job that I have to show up to and I have to be there and I'm taking off time to spend time with you. But even though I'm taking off time, you know, you and did X, Y and Z with your friend, but I have to be in the morning at seaport or whatever the hell that place was. And I kind of understand, especially as a woman, like needing to wake up and shower and have all my stuff. If you're not moving together, I kind of understand that. And if she's like, I have to be at my house like three nights a week because she's a career woman. Obviously she makes more money than him and stuff like that. Like it seems like that's a focus of her life and she's very ambitious. And so it feels like she's trying to explain to him, like, hey, I need, if this is gonna work, I'm gonna need to stay a few nights at my house because of my career. And he's like not giving leeway, it seems like, but he's also like playing as if he's so chill. That's how it felt to me. But for me, it's like, she, if you have to wake up so early and this job is so important, why are you saying you're gonna sit with him until he falls asleep? Be like, babe, let's do dinner and then I'm gonna go home and I'm gonna get a good night's rest and then I wake up early and I'm gonna go to work and then I'll come meet you after. But she's like, I have an hour long shower in the morning and an hour long shower at night. And then I have to, it's like, just have dinner together and then go home. You don't need to like sit beside his bed until his eyes grow. And then I sleep. - The way I read it though is that like, again, this is a couple who's engaged with a definitive deadline on when they have to make a decision to get married. So clearly, you know, that is obviously pressure. And to me, it seems like she has more going on or at least more ambition in her regular life than he does. And it seems like he's solely focused and it makes a lot of sense on this experiment, which is, am I gonna marry this person? - Yeah. - And to me, it sounds like he's worried about the quality of time, the quality time that they're not getting. And he's just like, why don't I make a decision to marry if I don't see you, which is, it is valid. I hear him on that. But the more she talked, I feel like she went, she, you know, she's kind of yappy, you know, she's kind of like a, she never stops talking and she seems a little high strung. But honestly, the more she articulated her point of view, the more I sided with her. - B2. - Because like, listen, how do I say it? I'm curious what you think, Jimmy, you're from the Midwest. You grew up, you know, just a normal guy. I'm curious, the part of you that, I don't know what age you were, where you thought, I want more for myself. Was there a point in your life, same to you, Susie, where you thought, I don't know, I want more. I'm not, this isn't, I'm not gonna live and die here and have my whole life here. I'm just, I wanna see if there's something more for myself. Do you feel like that was a nature or a nurture thing? Do you feel like that's part of your upbringing? Do you feel like that's as who you were? And I'm curious, like, do you remember a moment where you're like, no, I'm just not gonna, like, I'm not gonna settle with, you know, just being my whole life in this bubble, my community, you know, in these 10 miles of where I grew up. - I think it was a combination in nature and nurture. Like, I remember when I was starting to get recruited for basketball, I was like, I'm moving out of Chicago. Like, I need to go see more of the world. Like, wherever's recruiting me in Illinois, like, I'm actually not even gonna entertain it because I knew I wanted to get outside of my bubble and travel and live in a different city and just see what else was out there for me. Yeah, that was just, that was me. - I just think watching this couple, it reminded me that like, at the end of the day, I think there are people who expect or want more and there I think there are people who accept less. - I would say I think there's a lot of people that just desire being comfortable and just want to be cozy. - Yeah, they're just like, you can't hide anything beyond that. - Yeah, and that's a nice one. - And that's totally fine, yeah. - Yeah, I don't think there's a wrong answer, but I just think, but when you're thinking about who you want to marry in and up with, I think that is a point of compatibility that is so crucial. - I agree. - And, I mean, can't, like, I do think, like, can living with a sister, it's a Nick. It just is a Nick. I'm like, how is, how is Cam? Should old enough to not be living with your sister? - I don't really know. - Living with your sister, you've lived with your sister for, it sounds like his whole adult life, you know? So, like, you've barely left the nest, bro. It's, you're still being taken care of by some, your older sister is something in your family and he works in HR and he was like, there was that scene, he's like, well, do you just want me to like make $100,000? Now, obviously $100,000 is a lot of money, but inflation, yada, yada. Like an HR job. I mean, there's probably a pretty big, you know, but there are people in that profession that can make a really good living is what I'm saying, right? But he's this like late, how old is he, 28, 29, 30? How old is he? - Sound like that. - I think he's 28 or 29. - But you can tell his mindset is not, he's just, he doesn't strike me as that ambitious. - Yeah, he, yeah. - You know what I'm saying? And where he's like, he's comfortable, like, living with his sister, you know? And he seems like the type of guy who's just like, I don't know, he's just doesn't really aim for more. She is literally the opposite. Early she came across as almost, when she's like, I want to be, I want someone to take care of me. But like, she's saying that as someone who is currently fucking grinding in her life and she comes from humble beginnings and she just like wants fucking more. And she should get that because that she wants that. And I just don't see how these two work for that point alone because he seems so comfortable with accepting, you know, less. - If he, that's why I just think, I don't know who I side with more. I definitely resonate with a Neha Moore, like on her career and like how she approaches life. But it just feels like they're just not compatible. Like this was an experiment and it just isn't going to work for these two. 'Cause he's just a little bit more complacent. And I don't think it's a bad thing. - What do we feel about when she was like, I want to be taken care of? - Like she could want that. You can't want that. But he ain't gonna be the one to do that. That's why I just feel like this. - I agree. - It ain't gonna work. - That's how I feel too. I'm like, I know that some people are so passionate that like, oh, there's a certain way to do things or not. Like I know Sarah's mom, when she mentioned, oh, some of the girls just want to be taken care of and her mom was like, oh my gosh. You know, like she got a reaction to it. And I know some people feel very strongly that everything should be 50, 50 or whatever. I genuinely believe that like that is the part of the beauty, especially if being here is that like you can have an opinion about how you want to exist in our country. Like you can be in a relationship where you are a woman and you're taking care of and you don't work and you raise the kids and that's a full time job in itself. You can also want to be a provider. And you can also want to be the, yeah, sugar mom. You can want to be the bread winner. Like that is the beauty of like our freedom is that you can have an opinion on how you want and nobody should be judged for how they want the relationship dynamic to be. But at the end of the day, you may not be compatible with somebody if you are very opinionated about that. - I think they had so many conversations that they should have had in the pods. - Yes. - And I think her springing this like kids thing where she's like, I don't even, I don't even want to carry him. Like I'd want to get a surrogate and he's like, this is news to me. Like what? - Yes, that's a big thing to unpack. How is that not talked about in the pods? - Finances and kids, how did they not cover it? They were talking about music. I'm like, where were the conversations about finances and who's carrying your children? - But then again, like, but then again, is that part love? - But you know what? This is where- - Like if the point is falling in love behind a wall, like do you fall in love with someone because of how they approach life and if they want to- - Yeah, but it's not just about love. It's about marriage, literally marriage. It shows about getting marriage and compatibility, right? - I hear you on that part. But like the pods itself, like you're trying to establish like a spark and a connection and- - Love is easy, like it's easy to fall in love, but love the action and the choice is hard. That's how I feel about it. Where I'm like, yeah, it's easy to fall in love. That's why people, you see it on love is blind every year. It's easy. Like people, like I never thought this would happen to you. - It's hard to stay in love. - It's hard to stay in love because it's a choice and it's like. compatibility, there's so many layers to it that could make you not compatible with somebody. - Would you agree? 'Cause I was thinking about listening to Aneha. Well, I think if you don't have the desire to want to take care of your partner, now how you take care of 'em, that there's a million combinations and options, right? But then you have no business wanting to get married. - Totally, yeah. - Totally agree. - You have to like, you have to want to take care of your partner more than you want to be taken care of. - On both sides. - And on both sides, right? Because at the end of the day, if it's, you know, and again, some people it's with money, it can be with, it can be just, again, how you guys show up, you know, like the conversation between John and Sarah. She was talking about household charge. First of all, his bathroom is, that's foul. - We gotta work on that. - He dirty as a fridge. - That's foul. - His shower got molded in it, like. - I mean, as a guy, I might clean my shower. I've, it's been, it's, you know, there was a time in my life where maybe I went a whole month - Oh, bro, my college shower was rough. Like, that was rough, yeah, yeah. But this is an adult man going on national television. - Right. - Also, he knew the crew was coming in. - He dirty as fuck for this. I go a lot. - You gotta clean up real quick. - But they way they talked about kind of roles a little bit where it's just like, man, you just gotta figure, it's divided in conquer, you know? - Sarah was 100% right in that. And like men are so very much like, just tell me what I need to do and like, I'll do it. And then that mental load is on the woman of like, okay, well, let me think about what all needs to get done and like, what could you do and then what can I do? And then what, you know. - Yeah, but I would say there's a lot of mental load that the guys take on that. But they were specifically talking about household. Like the household. - Sure, but inside of a marriage, just like ours, we have our household responsibilities, we have our work responsibilities and we definitely divide and conquer on the mental load each of us carry. - But I will say, and I don't know how it works and everyone's relationships here. But I'm like, this particular couple, it feels like a financial 50/50, you know what I mean? Where like when we saw her family dynamic, it's like, okay, we're gonna be proof, it seemed like they were like, we both do really well, we're gonna have a joint and then we're gonna have a separate. And I'm like, okay, well, if everything's going to be 50/50 and this couple, then that household management also gotta be 50/50, you know what I mean? And so maybe that's what she was getting at 'cause I agree, I'm like, I'm personally, I don't wanna be managing all that and going 50/50 with my finances. If I'm managing, then you can take a little 70/30, you know what I mean? - Well, that's why I think it's important that you said, Nick, about how you gotta want to do this for your partner because I just don't think it can be black and white, like it's gonna be tug and pull and it's gonna be some gray area and wiggle room and like, I'll give 70 here, you give 30 there and then maybe next week, I'll only give 30 there and you give 70, like you just gotta wanna do these things for your person and over time, like you'll figure out the flow of your dynamic between one another. - Which was why I kept more siding with Ineha as time went on because from what, again, you know, edited TV, I don't know, but because cam seems to be more on the, like he's just like, I just wanna spend time with you and someday I want kids. That's it. So like, he, he, again, doesn't want as much as she wants, right? And so the only option, it feels like watching the show for her to like show him love is to like, maintain this crazy ass fucking schedule where like, she kinda broke down and she's like, I'm doing this for us. I gotta fucking wake up at the ass crack of dawn. I gotta stay fucking late just because you wanna see me, but I'm also like working and I gotta job to keep up and like, I don't know about your job cam 'cause it seems pretty chill, you know, but like, I gotta fucking work, bro, you know what I'm saying? And like, that's what he needs. He wants that quality time and like, he's just like, I don't really need anything else, I'm someday, I mean someday, I don't know how to talk to him. - It's like all I need is you and a house, somewhere. - Yeah, I don't know where. - I might just, I might just, I still hung up on the fact that when they first met, she was like, trying to change him to, you know? - I was like, she doesn't noise you. - Yeah, there's definitely some of that. I wonder if that stuck with him too. And maybe there's a little bit of like, I wish I could be a little bit more like cam, I wish I could just be like, just a little more chill and not like, high strug about the things I need to accomplish every day. So maybe there's more just like a personal thing that I need to get over between them too. - No, I agree with you, Jimmy. And I also think it's a little bit of a red flag that the only thing she can say about him is that she loves how much she cares about other people. - I've heard her say that about him probably 10 times now. - What do we know also about, what else do we know about him? - He likes to travel. - He's got great dad jokes. He's got great dad jokes. - Which sure, he doesn't to travel. - She doesn't really like the jokes though, right? - She doesn't like the jokes. - He seems very intelligent. He seems very like, like, he knows a lot about different cultures and different, I mean, he just seems like he, if you actually could talk to it, but they don't seem like they have a lot of real conversations. And every time she's even sitting down with this family, like explaining like what they love about each other, she admitted that she wanted to change him as soon as they met. And then she's like, he just cares so much about other people. - He's constantly being tested like in every conversation, in his response time, like in everything. - Yeah, I mean, that is nuts, right? She does crazy. But I guess what I'm just saying, like this, and again, maybe it's oversimplified 'cause we're only seeing the edit. But like when he told that story about his, you know, she's like, I want to be taken care of, right? And I agreed with what Cam said, which is like, I just always expected a partnership. The thing I am so grateful of in my marriage with Natalie, is that like I just feel like I have a teammate, you know, fucking just flying to Vancouver yesterday. It's just a fucking lot, right? It's just like when you're stressed out, and you look over to your partner, and you know that they're stressed out, but you kind of look at each other, and there's a little bit of like we'll get through it, you know? - We're in it, yeah. - And that feels great to have that. So I completely get what he, where he's coming from. But you know, he told obviously the story that his dad got sick and his mom had to step up. And again, that's a, that's, I love that for them. But I guess what I'm saying is he told that story in a way where it's just like, it's like he expected to not win in life. It's almost like he expected to like someday she's gonna, you're gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna lose my job, and you're gonna have to do this for me. As opposed to he just doesn't have this mindset of like, when he said, well, what do you want me to make a $100,000 someday? Like, I don't know, again, maybe you won't ever, but he doesn't seem like he has the mentality of like, I'm gonna make some fucking money for my family, and I'm gonna get the fucking work, and like, I'm gonna figure it the fuck out. - I think he's, I think she's testing his masculinity, and I think he's like starting to break, and I think that's why he's, I mean. - But yeah, for sure, but maybe he just, - Like, could you imagine being someone being like, you don't make enough, you don't make enough, you don't make enough, I wanna live somewhere, expensive, you can't afford it, I'm not paying for everything, like, you need to figure it out. - He honestly seemed like he'd be okay with it. - Yeah. - But that's what I'm saying, if he's as a type of guy, he's just like, listen, I just don't, I don't want more, I don't need more, I'm just like, I, some, I just think there are some people who accept struggling in a way that others don't. - So it sounds like you just don't like him then. - I think I'm both, I don't think they're compatible. I just think the conversation was interesting where he just, we could interview him and he could be like, I don't know, like, I totally want this and that, and you only saw a snippet of it. But from what we saw, he just, he talks as if like, he doesn't think or dream about wanting more. And I think sometimes in life, I think a lot of people, that's why I asked that question, where you kind of grow up in your community and a lot of times in your community, you are told that like, hey, we will never have whatever this is. You drive down the street with the rich houses. - And there are some people who like, I don't know, I want what they have, how do I fucking get that? And there are people who tell you, you can't have that. And some people will be like, the fuck I can't, I'll figure it the fuck out. And other people will be like, I guess I can't have that, you know? And he seems like the latter. - And you know what, it's interesting you, as you were saying that I was thinking about like, it's so weird because like, I'm small town for sure. And I always wanted to like leave, explore, whatever. And it seems like Cam has explored a lot. Like he's lived in, I think he said Ghana, he's traveled a bunch, he's done all this stuff. So I'm like, maybe his version of like wanting more has less to do with like finance and ambition and more to do with like, I want to experience things and I want to, you know, see things outside of my area and it has just less to do with the ambition. So maybe it's just a different version of wanting more. And again, I think that comes down to compatibility. - Just like a different version of wealth, like rich in life experiences. - You can be not money motivated and still be like fiscally responsible. And there are other people who are not money motivated who are like, you know, might love to travel. And he's like, this is good enough for me. And then I'll save up a little money and I'll pack a bag and I'll go live in a hostel instead of a hotel room. And I'll like, I'll travel fucking cheap. And that's totally good enough for him. - And it's cool, like it just ain't gonna work out for an ear. - That's cool, but like don't get married. - And they have not gone in a hostel. - And I go for that she won't live in the Hamptons or wherever the hell. What's that part of Boston? - And they have the Seaport Carlton. - Seaport, yeah. - To be fair, she's like, I worked for this and he's like, yeah. - Totally. - Yeah, I mean, God bless Cam. He seems like a guy who could like travel and be like, I didn't find a hotel room tonight. I guess I'll just, I'll figure it out, you know? And like good for him. But like when you have a partnership in life, it's totally good. - Right, we gotta get into Rob. - Oh yeah, we do. - We do, we do, we do. Let's do it. - When she started with her meeting his friends. - The boys, one of the fucking boys. - Have you guys seen the town? - Oh my gosh, of course. - Yes. - You know what this whole-- - That would've been a flex. - Yeah. - And Jeremy Reynolds. And it's been half like in his group of friends and they're hardcore criminals. And yeah, you watched the movie. They're kind of charming. This scene of his friends in Rob. It seemed as if we were watching a spin off of the town where like Ben Affleck and Jamie Renner are like their girlfriends watched Love Is Blind. And then one day as a joke, they got one of their boys, their band grabber boys to like go on Love Is Blind. And that's fucking Rob. 'Cause Rob, honestly-- - A week. - He looks like that fucking type of guy we've all met at the bars who has a fucking switch. And if he drinks too much, he can turn into a real fucking dangerous person. His group of friends look like they're like literally from like the fucking town. - If you had a friend that was like a little bit too drunk and they're meeting your girlfriend, maybe it's not even for the first time. But they start making comments the way that that one guy was making comments like about her looks. He said at one point, oh, I thought you were gonna be a total zero. Turns out you're hot. - He looked at her and he said you look like a nice watch. - Yeah, yeah. - He literally said you look a nice time piece. - What would you do if you brought a woman you cared about around your friends and one friend was too drunk and saying stuff like that? - I mean, I go out. This has happened like one of my best friends. Like, he don't live in Chicago anymore. He had to move away. But he just like doesn't know any better and he would just like talk out the side of his neck sometimes. And I would just be like, hey bro, like cool out, like chill out. - You stand up, you stood up for your girl. - Yeah, just like, but like he knows that I don't like hate him. It's just like, hey bro, like shut the fuck up real quick. - Set a boundary. - Yeah, like shut up. - It was really weird at first. I guess I cared less about that only with the assumption because she, you heard Michaela in her voice over and like, I can hang with the boys. And it gave the impression that she definitely got a heads up that his group of friends were these like crude kind of, they're gonna, they're gonna bust your balls and they're gonna give you shit. And then like, it seemed like that was the set up in a way. So under that context, it was like, okay, she wants to see if she can hang and blah, blah, blah. And then his one drunk friend, like again, it did come around where they're like, we love you in your grade, yada, yada, yada. But I was just more, when things got fucking weird with Rob, the rest of the cast, I'm surprised that we didn't see any of the other guys. - Well they're scared of that, they were literally and physically, Blake said some shit, but he's stepping, nobody nipped it in the butt. Nobody was like, hey bro, like you need a cool fuck out, like you need to leave, like nobody stepped in. It's because they're physically scared of him. And they're also, they don't care to be friends with him. Like honestly, like, if I was there and I was part of the cast, I'd have been like, oh, I actually don't care about this person at all, I'm gonna let him look like a fool right now. So like, do your big one as long as McCayla's okay. - That is true, 'cause you're filming and there's literally things you can do. But yes, guys saw him in a completely different light. He looked like this teddy bear, two episodes ago. - When Stu tried to shake his hand or laugh at them, he was like, nah, I don't trust you. I was like, oh yeah, he really means business right now. Like he doesn't fuck with anybody here. And I thought it was gonna get physical at a certain point. I thought they were gonna like cut the cameras if and when it did. - If they weren't filming? - Yeah. - Yeah, if they weren't filming, yeah, what'd it got physical? - He was looking for a fight. - He was. - We've all seen those types of guys at the bars where they get fucking drunk and they do that. Like, they kind of, like they, you know, bow up to another guy and they kind of pretend they're friends, but they're kind of talking shit and they're looking for that other person to say something. - Like him with the beekeeper. - Yes. - I thought he was gonna grab the beekeeper by his shirt at one point or something like that, you know. - Also, can we talk about how creepy and weird it was that when he was, they were sitting at dinner with his friends and he brings up Michaela calling him aggressive amongst his friends and he's like, you lied about me. - So uncomfortable. - And he was aggressive with his life. - Yeah, as a woman, like I genuinely believe he was aggressive whenever he did that thing and pulled her earring and instead of her standing on business, she probably was scared and she said, no, I use the wrong word. I didn't mean aggressive, you know, but you did X, Y and Z. And so then he's now twisting the narrative. You lied about me. No, maybe she didn't lie. Maybe she's afraid to stand on what she said because of how you're approaching this conversation and then he brings it up in front of his friends, calls her out how uncomfortable to one, pick a fight in front of his group of friends and then get validation from all of his little boys and then call her a liar and she's handling it so much her and then she calls him out and she's like, well, no, I actually haven't felt like you've been aggressive until this moment. - That was a great line. Yeah, when she said that. - You can speak to this Natalie, you too. Like it's classic like survival mode that I feel like women have to go into to like mediate the situation and they're not trying to like appease the aggressor rob in this case, but they're trying to just defuse the situation. So it's almost like they're going along with whatever he's saying just to like get out safely. - That's exactly what it was. - No, 100%. You were watching exactly what it looks like in so many cases where she was just like just survived try to get out safely. - Exactly. This was like the most triggering episodes like as someone who's been in abusive relationships like this, like I could just see the writing on the wall with Rob and it makes me so sad for Michaela because it truly, like I don't know if anything happened in Mexico. I feel like maybe it was still kind of honeymoony, but like the way that she probably thought this man was something else in the way the second they like get back to real life, live together. And like you all said, like the switch is flipped. He has this crazy dark side when he gets drunk or maybe when he's not drunk too. But like and his friends are like encourage it and they don't, you know, it's like, it's like the whole time he's been so worried about getting canceled and it's like, why? - But it also stems from a combination of one like the trauma he's had to endure recently, but also like it was when he went back to his boys and it's clearly an insecurity thing. Like he feels like the boys are judging him for doing this experiment and bringing this girl around. So instead of like trying to, he flipped the switch from going from like trying to smooth over whatever this is to just like, you know what, fuck, you guys are right. This whole experiment sucks. The girl I brought here sucks and he just doubled down and his insecurities just came to life in them like most gruesome ways. - It was awful. - But back to Suzy's point when he kept referencing getting canceled, that is a guy projecting about how he knows deep down who he is, you know what I'm saying? And when he came on this show, he was just like, you know, listen, every time you go on one of these shows, right? We've all, you know, we've all done it, right? And yeah, you're always like, I don't want to be the villain. I don't want to say something stupid and have it like turned, you know, but like, and then, you know, if you ask this question to producers, they always give you like, well, just, you know, if you're a good person, you won't look bad. Which is, it is bullshit 'cause they can make anyone look like a fool. At the same time, there are people like Rob who know, they're not deep down, they got some fucking skeletons and they got some fucking, they move in a way in life that they know they can't move on TV. And that was the part that when he kept saying, oh, you're going to cancel, you know, is that he was worried about this fucking dark side coming out because I bet all his fucking boys know, they've all seen this dark side a million times. It comes out every fucking weekend. And they were worried that he was worried it was going to come out and then fucking dead and that's when he fucking snowballed. What did he say when, um, when Diana, the girl, the other, his number two, when she walked in and he was like, I could bag any girl. Bro, he said, he said, I can bag 18. I said, I can go out in Boston right now and bag 18 girls who look like this, give a fuck. Like crazy. A pig literally crazy and then he like get, he gained one point with me when she was like, can I come, can I talk with you? And he was like, check with my girl like that. But even that, no, even that pissed me off. Me too. He did it in a pet, he did it in a way as if like she like wanted him and he was desirable. And he was like, are you almost don't deserve my time? I had to check in before I even give my attention to anybody that's not my girl. Like, bro, okay, yeah, maybe I can do it that way. I think also he was doing it in a way that was like, oh, Michaela's gonna be mad. You better check with her because she's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. You're right. You're right. And then the way he's like, move, he's like, fuck it. Let me get close to you and they like sit really close. Musical chairs with the setup so that it looks like they're doing something when they're even not like just trying to like get people to maybe think like, oh, they're flurry and they're doing something like, bro, like, who do you think you are? Biggest egg. And then at the end of it all when she's like about to peace out, he's like, what did I do? It's because you think I want Diana. It's like, are you crazy? You just can't believe. Also, wait, also before any of this happens, he literally was like, hey, if I get too much, squeeze my hand. He did say that. Remember this whole conversation? And if he gets to a point, just squeeze my hand. And she's like literally being like, are you sure? Like, I don't know, are you gonna like read that the right way? It seemed like she was questioning that whole thing. Like, why are you saying this? And then you can see her squeezing his hand and him just like not reacting to that at all. 'Cause he knows how he could get. And his buddies, his mom, like, people, other people have alluded to the fact that like, he's a lot to handle. And he knows he's a lot to handle. He knows he has this side. Okay, I know we like misdiagnose labels all the time and in, you know, this society, we live in pop culture in the internet. Can we call what he did at the end, Gus? when he-- - Yeah, oh yeah, okay. - Okay, I was like, I know the differentiator would be like, did he actually believe that it was because she was jealous or did he believe, or did he understand that he was causing havoc and then spinning it back on her? 'Cause honestly, I got, I part of me was like, does he not even realize? But I'm like, there's no way that he actually believes that she's just jealous and that she caused this whole thing, right? - Well, outside of him being drunk and not in that moment, thinking-- I'm guessing he wasn't thinking about his actions, yes. I think, like we all just discussed, a big picture, he knows who he is and that whole like, you're gonna cancel me, you're gonna cancel me, it's coming from this place of, you know, all these conversations we've had with his family and friends that like, we all kind of read it as like every season that I've loved is blind, we're like, well, do you really get to know them? 'Cause when you meet someone's family and friends, they're all like, well, you know, you'll see and, you know, they leave the covers open, they're messier than they're let on to be and like, you know, they're all being like, so yeah, he gets fucking scary sometimes. And by the way, this wasn't just like a one, this wasn't like exclusive to one night of him losing his mind, which still wouldn't have been okay, but there were three separate moments, three separate scenes of him looking scary, of him looking like, if you say the wrong thing, it just looked like if cameras weren't around and they had this type of conversation, like to Nellie's point, I think there were a lot of people, especially women watching this where they're like, I've been in this situation with a man like this who looks like this and I was alone. Or it doesn't look like that. Yeah. Nellie still talks like that. When I say it looks like, I mean, like the intensity is like, like the rage, you can feel the fire like in his eyes. And to Jimmy's point earlier, she, we saw her diffusing the situation again when she came out of the bathroom. He's like, why are you in there crying? Like what? She's like, no, I just want to go home. Like I just, you know, I didn't want to come here and I just, I know, just want to go home. I wanted her to walk out so many times being like, fuck you, I'm out, I'm done. But the whole time, she just was like, well, we can go, I just want to go home. It's okay, everything's okay. She deserves all the flowers and praise in the world for how she handles both situations, like with the boys and then back with the cast. Like, and even she kept not holding out hope but trying to like just end it, like just get both of them out. And then she was just like, this isn't worth my time. You're not worth my time. I'm actually just gonna leave on my own. And she even did that like, materially, gracefully. Like I thought she handled it as well as any person could. Like there is no right way to handle that, but. - Yeah, 'cause the right way is to get out safe, unfortunately. - Like she would have been within her right to crash out on him. And like that would have been justified too, but like she didn't, you know? Like she still handled it like materially, even though I feel like a lot of people wanted her to give him a piece of his own medicine. But she rose above it. - Even her comment today, Anna, where she's like, that's what you missed. Was so like sad. - Actually, I knew. - I have to say one thing. - She knew. - Erica, being the friend to like help her out, which was super sweet. - Yeah. - Like, oh, I can't believe you're gonna have to start over. Like that must suck. Like I got a great relationship going on over here. I can't even imagine being in your shoes. Like that must suck. - I really hope that is great. - I can't lie. I'm praying that was cut out of context because I am like, if that's what she led with, like as a girl in her 30s, I'm like, I'd be like, bitch, get out of here. - I said in my own name. - I already know that this is tough. But I have to wonder, like I was like, I was like, there's no way. Like, 'cause she seems so smart. Erica seems like very in tune. So I'm like, maybe it was cut out of context, but like through the lens of the experience, like maybe these two were talking about how like, this made sense for me because it's a fast track to marriage. And it's like, people are vetted. And it's compatibility, 'cause it's behind a wall. Like maybe that was the conversation. And then it's like, okay, we've just started over. Because that as a 33 year old woman, I was like, I'm pissed for you. - I'm watching it like, is this how girls like, help build each other back up? I'm like, that would piss me the fuck off. - No, I feel like it had to do it out of context. I hope. - I have a bit of a Blake hot tick. Not even a hot tick. - Oh, give it to us. - You want to go boating with him? 'Cause I do too. - Central pet? - No. - For all the talk about the life he lives and the life he loves and how he's showing up and his whole bit is, it's like, I want to find someone who's willing to do this. I love my life so much. My life is so great. I've worked so hard for this life. My parents want me to cherish this life. I don't think across the board, if you go on a reality TV show like a bachelor or the love is blind or love island, you don't love your life that much. Every person who's ever gone on reality TV on some level is looking to mix it up. I'm not saying they hate their life. - No, for sure. - I'm just saying they're like, they wonder if there's something more out there. Right? There's a lot of risk that comes in with going on love is blind. It's a crazy fucking experiment to go on a pod and fall in love with someone behind his screen. It's fucking, and if your life is so fucking perfect that you, you know what I'm saying? He just, I'm sure his life is exciting. I'm sure it's cool. But I think there's a part of them that's like, I can't do this forever. And I want something more. Because you don't go on reality TV if that content. - For sure. My heart rate is very similar to yours in that he wanted something very specific. I think he went on love with blind because he wanted to find maybe like a trophy wife to go on tour with him across the islands. 'Cause he said at one point, like he's usually like cool comic collected, like keeps his voice. But like he snapped on his friends. He was like, some girls wanna spend their summer in the islands in St. Thomas. Like God forbid. And it felt like, oh, that's what you came here to do. You wanted to find a girl to take on a boat with you and travel the seas with. Which is cool, you can want that, but she, Erica wants something else. But that's what it seems like he wanted that specific thing. And even his friends, they were like, yeah, you like Erica, she's great, but do like her more than other people in St. Thomas. And I'm thinking like, who the fuck is these other people, right? So, he definitely wanted it. - And like, you know, you don't go on reality TV unless you have some kind of ambition for something more. And I don't care about like, you know, you can go on for love and you can go on hoping that you can, you know, make something of this experience. - I agree with that, but I think to Michaela's defense because she was the one getting it from Rob and getting it from his friends. She's like a VP for like a fashion boutique or something. It's like, what is Instagram followers gonna do for that career? - Like maybe if she was looking to like, she lowkey crush her right now. - I think she's very happy in her career. I don't think she like, and maybe if she's looking to, I don't think she's looking to quit and become an influencer. I guess is what I'm saying. - No, but that can only in the fashion industry, like having an aesthetic that people like look up to and admire. - Working in like a corporate job. - But she, but I kind of get what Jimmy is saying, but just like for Blake, I don't know, I don't know about sailing or that industry that Blake's a part of, but I'm willing to bet that when he got this opportunity to go on love his blind, he fantasized about like his Instagram content and how he could be like, captain, whatever, he would have this whole person. - That's amazing. - Like he wanted to sail there. - I'm saying like, and I don't know if there's money in it, and again, but yeah, I think we now know that every kid growing up wants to be a YouTube star instead of a lawyer or a doctor or whatever. That's the new, but I also think for people, my age and people, your guys is age, like that is what everyone wants to be, because like it is, like listen, going on reality TV or having type, some type of social media platform, it's, again, it's a lottery ticket with really good odds. And if, you know, even if you're, you know, so why would you say no to something that says, I don't know what's gonna happen, maybe, you know, you still, you still probably won't make it, make it. But your chances is exponentially increased now that the visibility you're about to get. And if you can figure out how to use it to your advantage, exactly. You might be able to like have a lot of things you wouldn't otherwise have in life. - I'm honestly excited for the reunion. I hope we get to talk to Michaela. I will ride and die for that girl. - Yeah, I'm like, lift that girl up. She was a great example for women everywhere who find themselves in a very scary situation. She handled it beautifully and safely as she could have. - What do you think he's gonna say? - Do you think he's gonna go, it wasn't who I am? - I don't think he's gonna show up to Reni. - I was gonna say, do you think he'll show up? - You need to heal. You need to heal. - He does need to heal. - And to see if he-- - Increase, like, mourn, need to go through that process. - Yeah, they don't have to go to reunion, do they? - I think it's definitely part of their contract. I'm guessing. I mean, I don't think anything's gonna really happen if they don't go other than like, they'll get called out by the hosts. - I don't put them in a straight way this time. - Well, the wedding's coming up this week, so we'll find out who said I do and who said I can't. And we'll get into it all on Thursday's episode. All right, well, up next we have Bree TSC from Selling, Sunset and Special Forces. We have a great conversation and catch up with Bree, but all the fascinating things about her life, including Special Forces, that whole unique experience. What can we expect from Selling and Sunset with the new cast, a relationship with Nick Cannon? What does that look like? Why is it work for her? It's a fascinating conversation and coming out of that, we'll get into some Salt Lake. city some OC and call it a day. But up next, we have Bri. Bri, welcome to the show. Thank you. How are you? Good. I'm not as tired as you but I'm good. My fellow special forces recruit. What number were you? I was number 13. You were 13. Okay. I was 12. Yes. Yeah. Oh my god. It was great though. Yeah. I mean, personally, one of the most rewarding experiences that I've had especially when it comes to TV, you know, you're obviously no stranger to reality TV. And I haven't had a chance to really, you know, have a heart to heart with you about like your thoughts and feelings about the pros and cons of this space. But like for me, like doing special forces was nothing but rewarding because, you know, you know how it is, right? So often when they make these things, you kind of, you know, it's like, yeah, fuck it. I'll do that fine. I'll do it for the show. You know, like, you know, do it for the plot. And, you know, for me, it was this really rewarding experience. But I'm curious, you know, you're here, you're, you're looking stunning. You're very well dressed, you know, like, but to see you in an element of like special forces, I don't think a lot of people wouldn't would go, oh, yeah, let's, let's, breathe. She's perfect for this. When the offer came, where you like, immediately, yes, or was there, there's some like convincing? What was that thought process if you deciding to be literally tortured? Yeah. I went through a lot of emotions. But, you know, I think because I knew other people who had already done it, I was like, okay, the first thing I'm gonna do was call them and see what the real is. And I actually thought going into it, my initial thing was like, okay, is this real or just like the camera's cut and we get a water and some air? Like, how does this work? And they were like, no, no, no, no. This is like full immersion. But I think that, you know, I'm glad for punishment. And I enjoy torturing myself for some reason. So I figured, fuck it. Let's try it. This will be fun. Then I'm kind of like, that, who did you reach out to? I talked to Dwight and then my ex-husband Johnny was on it. Okay. So I talked to the two of them. Dwight was like, oh, no. It's like, I don't know if you should do this. And then Johnny was like, absolutely. He's like, you'll probably get mad at some point. But aside from that, you should do it. And when you say Johnny, Johnny Menzel. Correct. You were married to Johnny Menzel. Yes. Fun fact. I don't block that out. But yes. Oh, we don't want to talk. Okay. No, I don't care. I don't care. Well, you're clearly like, you're on good enough terms to ask about the gig for sure. I mean, we went through a lot. We didn't talk for years after our divorce. Okay. But I think that I'm very big on if you can take accountability and apologize and be an adult and talk things out. I'm happy to move forward. Yeah. And obviously we loved each other at one point. We got married. So I was like, you know what? I respect and accept this apology. And I appreciate it. And like, we can just be cool moving forward. I wouldn't say we like hang out often or talk every day. But we're definitely cool. So it's good. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's that's great daring. And listen, time can sometimes sometimes heal all wounds. And I don't. I've never met Johnny personally, but it does seem I fall. Obviously, I'm a sports fan. I've casually followed his career. But it and I know people who know. I mean, but it sounds like at this stage of in in his life, he's done some some soul searching and some I think he's trying. He's trying. How did you guys meet? I'm sorry, I don't we don't want to focus. I'm just I didn't know this and I was just such a fascinating element. I'm so funny to me, but you didn't know that. Um, I met him through mutual friends. Actually, I was working in Las Vegas at the time. And you know, we know he loves a party. So I met him through some of our friends there. And we were friends for almost a year probably before we started dating. So okay. Well, well, I'm glad you like what? I'm glad you survived. I'm sure that I'm sure we could do a whole interview about your relationship. Really barely survived it, but yes. Can I ask what did you learn from that experience? Oh God. Um, I could do anything after that experience. Special forces was easy. Sure. I think I just learned that I didn't want to be married. I didn't really want to be in that type of a serious relationship. I didn't like I didn't like anything about being married. I didn't like I don't know. I do really well on my own and just the responsibility of it and just having an answer to him and just all the things that he was going through. I was like, maybe I'm really selfish. I don't know, but this is just not it. And I was just not happy. I think that was like my biggest lesson. Honestly, we were very toxic. It was not a healthy thing. And I think I learned a lot about myself. I had a lot of self reflection because of that and looking more into like my childhood and my choices. And I was like, yeah, what I did learn from this relationship is this is everything I don't ever want ever again. So I figured that part out at least. Well, that makes a lot of sense. I mean, so so when it comes to like love, you know, like I don't know like, you know, I hadn't been married before, but I certainly had my fair share of relationships that made me go, you know, I don't know if I need this in my life. Yeah, exactly. And before I met my wife Natalie, I mean, she jokes about this all the time. But when we met, I was like, we're not, I'm never getting married. Maybe kids, but definitely not marriage. Obviously, that's changed. I'm happy. She's changed my perspective on that. But when I was like, no marriage, I was still like, I was out. Are you like, are you just when it comes to your romantic life? Are you like, do you just date for fun? Are you still looking for building connections with people? Or is it like, how does that work? You know, how do you manage someone? Your self was like, you know what? I've done the marriage thing. That's not for me. From a love life standpoint, what is dating and feeling romantic look like for you these days? You know, it's funny. I have never, I can't even say dated. Like I've only ever dated people that I've been friends with and like it went from like a friendship to being interested in them. I am so like, don't ever slide in my DMs. Don't try to be cheeky with me. It's like all of that type of stuff. I just don't find attractive. Okay. I could never like, blind date. Like honestly, I'm still with my partner. So I'm still with Nick. And I think when I circled back to this situation, it's the only time I've, you know, circled the block. But I think it was because we were so similar and it was so easy and it was like the opposite of all of the expectations and things that came with like being married. And we just get along so well and we're so similar that it doesn't feel like a job to me. It doesn't feel like a work. But if we like broke up, it works. It truly does. Like he's, you know, a human that has never raised his voice as an ever got a pocket. Never call me at my name. I've never, I truly don't fight with this man ever. So I like going from what I'm used to to going to this is like, oh, this is, this is amazing. There's obviously other components. But I think, you know, if I was to let's say leave him tomorrow, I wouldn't date. I would have zero interest in it. Truly, I wouldn't, I wouldn't even try at all. Listen, I love talking about different ways people fall in love and no judgment zone here because like, I mean, that's, that's a thing. It's just, it's 2026, right? Like I'm a traditional guy for a lot of aspects in life. But like the world's changed in a way where like what works for everyone or what we use to pretend works for everyone in the past definitely doesn't work for everyone. And if you can find your happiness, like, and how you move in relationships now, you know, for example, I would mention before we started recording, I went to the brewer game, right? And I was my dad. And obviously with kids, my wife was, you know, we have a obviously a different situation than you. We're pretty codependent. But that codependency, you know, we're just like, we work together. We have kids together. We're just, we're, it's every day. But those moments of like, now I was like, you know, you, you should do this. You go to the game. I obviously was kind of leaving her, you know, me leaving puts a lot on her, right? And that makes me feel a little guilty. But, but all that combined, like I felt a lot of love from my wife in that moment. You know, it's kind of like an act of, an act of love by saying, I know this is important to you. Go do it. I'm curious for, for you, how do you have moments like that where you feel like really connected to like someone romantically? You know, does that make sense? You know, like, no, it does. I mean, we still have stuff like that though. Don't get me wrong. Like, there is times where I'm like, hey, can you take legendary all day Saturday? Like, I don't have a nanny. I don't have this. Like, take him. And you know, it's wherever he's going, whatever he's doing. He's, he's very open and good at that. He's never told me no about anything. I mean, even when it's the little things like pushing me to do special forces, even though he's like, I would never do this. But I think this would be great for you or like trying to step into, let's do a date night or, you know, for your birthday, let's go to Borgora. Like, he is very, you know, intentional and present in those things. But I think I'm someone that's like so hyper independent that and controlling that everything is like my way on my terms. So I'm like, I'm happy because I'm making myself happy first. You don't have to ask to go, you don't have to ask it all again. No, no, I just go. I just say please, thank you. Yes. Yes. But you're also leaving her with all the kids. So, you know, it's a, it's a lot of workload when you've got kids. So her sacrifice is nice for you. And then, you know, you get to go and enjoy yourself. Listen, everyone's different, you know, just different situations. And that's interesting. I want to get off the next stuff for a moment. Well, I don't, I was, I wasn't even planning on talking about relationships sort of way, but you dropped the Johnny thing on me and you know, what was the most difficult heart for you about special forces? The heights. I don't think I've cried in like a century. So I was like, I don't even know what's happening right now, but it was, it was so overwhelming for me. I think again, it is a very emotional thing that we're doing. And I did not think it was going to feel like that being there. I was like, oh, we're going to jump off some stuff and you know, be dirty and it's going to be fine. Yeah, they don't realize. No, I did not realize like how intense and it was really going to be for us more than physically. I don't know how it was for you. but the craziest part was because usually with these types of, you know, any show, it's like, you know, before you do anything crazy, there's always like, okay, you're going to be safe, and we're going to teach you all this, and like, there's none of that. They're like, go jump off this cliff. You're like, excuse me, you know, you know, they do like a demo from a million feet away, and you can't see, you're like, okay. No, I thought we would at least get a training before we started, or that moment before, or something, but you're right, like, I think that also scared the hell out of me, because I'm like, you think I know how to rappel down in the game. Yeah, can I get like crazy? Can I get a couple, you know, yeah, there's none of that. It's crazy. No, they're like, here's your helmet, shut it. I'm like, okay. Where do you feel like, in any way, you've not necessarily conquered, but do you think your fear of heights has been diminished a little bit? Absolutely. I think by the third one, the first one made me realize I was scared. The second one, I swear, they just planned last minute to torture me, that trust fall. And I was like, how fitting? You trust fall. That one really got me, but by the repelling, I did not cry or lose my mind, and I made it down. So I was proud of that. That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah. When I did Special Force is a boat, I had, Bodie Miller, it was on the show with me. And he said this thing. He's like, there's a difference between being scared and knowing you're safe. Yeah. And that's really stuck with me ever since, and going on Special Force is the perfect, you do these scary things, constantly. But for the most part, you're actually safe. And when he said that, and I remember we were doing this thing called the Leopard Walk. So it's like a rope across two cliffs. And you're like, you're. Oh, yeah. And you're over. It's the craziest thing. And so there is this moment, and one of the DS was just looked down, and I was terrified. And I remember what Bodie told me, and I'm like, yeah, I'm safe. I'm safe. I'm safe. And it's like this weird thing, if you can convince yourself that you're safe when you don't feel when you're scared. It's a trippy thing. But I think doing Special Force has a lot of that whole experience is kind of learning that the difference between those two is it's fascinating. How did you enjoy the food? I actually didn't mind it, but like I was just meal prepping. I didn't mind. You didn't mind the food. It was a chicken rice, whatever. Oh my God, it was a torture for me. Oh my God. Really? I think because when I got COVID, when I was pregnant with my son, I have no smell or taste. And I haven't had any for years. And I would say the last six months, maybe. And then like I can barely, like I can smell a couple of things that's nothing pleasant ever. That's what I can smell. And I can't really taste. So for me, I'm like, I just give me the chicken, it's fine. It's all the same. Yeah. So I didn't, I didn't suffer. And that category just every other one. Just every, oh my God. Yeah. Like eating is one of my love languages. I know I was heartbroken, but I got skinny. So I guess I'll take it. Period. It's like it's fair enough. I'll take the trade. So what about hot cheetos? You still eat those? I do love hot cheetos though. You still taste the last? Or you just feel the burn. You just feel the burn. Literally just feel, yeah, you just feel the aftermath more. So yeah. You you withdrew from special forces. Can you walk us through, you know, why, why you came to that decision? You know, I was really mad at myself. I really, at the end of the day, it was like, we're talking about safety earlier. I did not feel that way at that point. I think for me, it was being, you know, I overly, I overthink everything. But I think in that moment, it was like, okay, think about all the stunt people, all the accidents that happened on sets, even with the most safety, everybody doing their best, having everything in motion for us, like stuff still happens. And I think that started to kind of weigh in on me when they couldn't find the boys for hours. I was like, yeah, now you got me fucked up. Like I have a four-year-old, I have to film when I get home, like, you can't be losing me in the jungle. Like this is, I'm not doing that. So they got lost for that long hours. And it was raining and it was dark. And I was like, and in that moment, I'm like, that could have been any of us. And to see someone like Matt, who was like the biggest, friendly giant, just come back completely and shambles the shoveled, I was like, yeah, no, no, no, I got to go. This is fucked up. I'm done. What did you think of the jungle elements? We were in winter. So it was like, I was hypothermic for three days, I don't know. That, that I would have a hard now. I could never do the cold ever. The jungle, the jungle was like muggy and buggy and wet. It was gross. It was definitely gross. I think the hardest part was just being wet all the time. Like your socks are soaking wet. You can't dry. There's no air. There's like nothing. And you can't, I think that was probably the worst. But did you guys at least get another set of clothes? We did. Yeah. That were constant. We only had one. You only had one. We had one for the first three days. Why did they say why? No, they were like, oh, it should be there. It's not. And like our first night, they had us in the mud and shit. And then we had to take a shower and literally sleep in that. And I was like, oh, no, I'm like really in hell. Like, okay. Yeah, there's no. Oh my god. This is real. Yeah. It's brutal. That brings me back. But you know, it's fucked up as I would totally go back. So there's obviously something wrong with me. Yeah. I would. Do you think that's because you have, you didn't, you didn't pass the course? I think so. I think I knew that I had another day left. And I was like, why didn't I just go to sleep? Five days is really impressive. It was great. And I've passed everything I did. And I was a little more disappointed because I felt like they didn't show any of that. I feel like they, it was like they wanted to show, you know, the more entertaining things, which is people flipping out or whatever happening. But I was like, I did a perfect pin drop into the ocean on my first challenge. I did all these things. And I don't get to see any of it. And I was like, really proud of those. No, that's that was the most frustrating part is because you do these incredible things that you're so proud of. And it takes forever. And it's like so much of that experience as long like it's everything just takes forever and they wear you out. And then you watch it back. You're like, wait, what? Huh, huh? And I'm like, I don't even see it. I didn't even get out of the helicopter apparently. No, I know. It's very, that part's very frustrating. That's very, you know, sometimes in reality, you're like, Oh, God, thank God that they make the cut, you know, definitely. I know that all too well. Yes, definitely. Speaking of, I'm curious, what was, what was, what is more mentally taxing? What you did on special forces or the, the fire and fury that is the, the ladies of selling sunset? Oh, they're very different. Like I would say, special forces is like emotional. But when you do selling sunset, it is just like exhausting, like a different level of exhausting because you really are fighting for your like 24/7. And you don't know what's going to happen or what's going to be said or what's going to be, you know, edited conveniently. So you like, don't even know how to prepare for something like that. Or what's going on behind your back. I think that's also a big thing. Now, like because of like Bravo Housewives are kind of famous for going online, people doing research about their co-workers, spreading rumors. Do you feel like the ladies of selling sunset are similar in that way? You know, we've had two previously that I feel like have done that. I don't think it really works to their benefit or the way that they think it's going to. Those two would be. I would say Chelsea and Khrushal, they've both pulled that, you know, and a lot of that, it just comes off very bitter and angry and dark. And I just don't think it's a good look personally. I'm not an internet warrior. That's not my thing. I'm not a keyboard warrior. I'm very much like, I'm right here to say it to my face. But, you know, some of the other girls are way more untuned to the internet and trying to do something to take you down versus just standing on it. And that must get exhausting. It really is. Does it make you feel like you have things that hide even if you don't? No, I don't personally. I think that at this point, I'm like, you could take anything I do and run with it. Like, I say the craziest stuff. I have zero filter. I cuss a lot. Like, I'm very like blunt and aggressive. So anything I do and say can be taken in any way, which I have had happened as well. Are you excited for what is essentially kind of like a reboot? Very. I'm very excited about it. I think this season, it was great, honestly. I mean, it's very different. Are you have you wrapped? Yes. We're done. Yeah. Yes. We'll be airing soon. They never tell us when because they don't ever want us to tell anyone. But I know that we're airing soon. And I think this dynamic is just so interesting. I think knowing Christine and Heather and knowing their previous drama and all their stuff and kind of bringing them back together in a room is a movie on itself. And then you add in all these new girls. It was quite entertaining. Did you know Christine before you sort of. No, I didn't. No, not at all. That was the first time I met her. What was your perception of her or what kind of idea did you have like before you actually had a chance to film with her? I guess I thought she was going to be a lot more like bitchy type of sassy, aggressive. And she was quite chill. I was like, if anything, that's me. I was like, um, hello. No, she was super chill. Who do you miss the least of the ladies who have left all of them? I'm so happy. Bye bye. No, I don't none of them. Heather's back. That was the only one I, I mean, I miss Emma. I do like Emma. Okay. And we came to terms last season. So I think that probably be it. And Mary, I do like Mary too, actually. And no love loss for Krishel or Chelsea. None. No, definitely not. Wasn't it Chelsea who was like the most judgmental about your relationship and how you trying to choose to go about your life? Correct. So both of the ones that were the most judgmental can't speak for their relationships at the moment. So, you know, do you think? Yeah, do you think Carmen's a bitch? Is that kind of? I do think Carmen's a bitch. Yeah, I do. I think it comes around eventually whenever that may be. Every time I speak I have to think about that as well. Well, I don't believe in talking on people's family personally. I think it's, you know, tasteless. But if you come for mine, I'm coming for yours. So that's kind of where we've been for the last two years. - I will move off of selling something quickly, but I just-- - Just have to wait, wait, no fun. - Fun, just a fun game, just fun game. Give me one or two word answers or a short sentence about these ladies. We're gonna go through the-- - Oh God. - New and old cast. You can have some-- - You guys know the new cast? - I don't know all of them. I do know that Heather and Christine are returning. So, but, you know, I don't know the new ones. What, overall, you think people should be really excited about the new cast? - I personally like one. - Okay. - That's probably it. Yeah, I think you guys will know right away when it is announced. - All right, give me your short thoughts on Amanda. - A bore, a bore, she's a bore fast. - A bore, okay, Christine. - Interesting. - Heather. - She just giggles, that's all I think of. - We've had a couple, Heather's like, she's easy to be her own. - Truly. She's just like just a ball of just laughter. And I'm like, you're just so blonde, I just love this so much. (laughing) - Creshell. - Nasty. - Okay. - Yes. - Mary. - Sweet. - Emma. - She's just like bubbles also. Like the two of them are just like bubbles and rainbows and unicorns. (laughing) - Sandra. - Hmm, I just TBD, I don't know. I don't really have, I don't have a read on her. - Alana. - Vanilla. She'll forever be called Vanilla to me. (laughing) - Nicole. - Bo. - Bo. - Just Bo, Bo. She sucks. - And last, and you probably think least, Chelsea. - And she's another Bo you suck. I can have other words, but I'll keep 'em to myself. - Obviously your relationship with Nick, people, I'm sure you could ask about it a lot. People are fascinated with it. - Yeah. - But my curiosity is more just like, well that's fascinating. It seems to really work for her. What can you learn from it? I'm just more like fascinated with people who live different lives than me. Do you appreciate that curiosity or you just over it because so many people like a Chelsea can be so judgmental about your choices? - So here's the thing, I don't mind the question. It's not, first of all it's how you ask me, what are you asking me, what is the intention behind it? - Because during the of the time it is not a question, it's a projection and it is their opinions, their judgment, it's coming from a place of like, oh well, why do you do this and why do you share a man and this, that and whatever. And I'm like, well that's one way to look at it. So this tells me where we're not gonna have this conversation. But I think it's also, I have done so much in my life and in my career that I don't love the fact that this overshadows who I am and who I am as a person that it's a consistent topic. And that I have to also defend it at all times when I shouldn't have to speak about, I'm not asking about your husband or your wife or your personal or who you fuck. So I don't really understand, I understand the curiosity to a certain degree, but I think it gets to a point where it's like, okay, this story is old, we've talked about this, we've done this, you guys all know I'm here, I've also said I'm happy until there's something else, I don't really know what else to say because if I say I'm happy, they don't like that answer either. So no one likes that happy or just people who are, majority of people just don't believe you, they just don't think you can be happy. And it really is because they're like, well I can never share my man, I'm like well girl, I'm not you and I hope he leaves four days out of the week at minimum. So we aren't the same. But just because something is not for you, there's a lot of things that are not for me. But I get why people enjoy those things, you know what I'm saying? Or and I think when it comes to how do you just got a non-monogamous, what's that non-monogamous? - Non-monogamy I guess is the term. - I'm very fascinated with it because like well, we don't participate in that. I have friends who have dabbled in this stuff and a lot of it sometimes makes sense. The thing that always has made the most sense for me is the people I know who participate in any type of non-monogamy. There's some of the best couples and it's always because they have the best communication and usually the most trust. Not across the board because I don't think a lot of people who participate in this don't necessarily do it the right way or maybe it's like one sided and someone's like, "Hey, I want you to do this." And it's like their way of fucking other people. But for the people who it does work for, I'm always blown away by the level of honestly happiness and the lack of drama and frustration because they've seemed to have met someone who's like, okay, it's almost like a, you know, like a build your own burger. You know, so it's like, "I'll take this." I don't want this, you know, I can do it without the mayonnaise, like fuck that, you know. But I do really like a pickle. Do you like a pickle? Great, let's put pickles on. - Exactly, exactly. I'm like, I don't want you to live here. I don't want you to close here. I'm not cleaning, I'm not cooking. I'm not doing anything, but I would love date night. You can come over on Thursday. It's great. I think that we've been programmed so much to have one partner and, you know, die together. And I love that for you, if that works for you. But I don't, I don't want to do that. So I think that the judgment is just says more about you and I think people are curious because just like the other people that were so curious that are not together, they're so unhappy and they can't understand why I'm happy. And they're very different things than being genuinely concerned if I'm unhappy in my relationship and being concerned why they're not happy and theirs and why mine works when it's not traditional and I'm sharing. So I think that's the level of curiosity that I don't really care for because it's a, it's a you thing. It's a comparison. It's a self reflection thing that you're projecting that has nothing to do with me. But if you wanted to really sit down and talk about it, like we could break it down. And I have done that with a lot of people actually. And they, you know, I've, I've always lived aside from getting married. I've always had multiple partners at a time. I've always dated. I left Nick numerous times. I would be like, okay, I'm good on this. I'm going over here. And I've just always been like that. And when that happens, is that like, do you guys have to have a talk? Or is it more just kind of like, yeah, yes, very much, very open, like communicate about everything. Like, I've always been like, this is how I feel. This is where I'm at. You know, I never lie. I do not lie. That's a very big thing for me. If he lies, you're done. There's no omitting. There's no anything. So there are still levels in a relationship that that are here. Like, you know, you can't lie. You can't hide. You can't do certain things. You have to be open. We have to have an understanding. Like, if I go on the internet and find out about some random girl from wherever that I haven't heard about, we have a problem. And it's more that at that point, you didn't have enough respect for me to communicate with me and that is an issue for me. I have to be able to make a decision for myself. If I don't like what you're doing, I can leave. But if I don't know what you're doing and you're keeping me here, that's a problem. So you're kind of always in the loop. Both of you are kind of always in the loop with, yes. If you have a lot of things going on outside of this, you guys know about it. Always. Okay. Yeah. Does he have this type of relationship with all the women he has children with or just a few? I doubt it. I mean, I doubt they know. I don't know what their communication is, per se. But, you know, I do know that I hear things and there's issues and there's whatever. And so I think that some people may have signed up for this thinking. It was something else and not really having an understanding or thinking that they would change him or whatever the narrative is. But I do think with our new show coming out, everyone will have quite an understanding of what's happening or at least what they pretend is happening to put their best friend forward. So, see. So, when you say new show, do you mean like selling sunset? No. We have a new show with Nick. Oh, can you tell us more about that? Sure. Yeah. So, Nick signed us up for a documentary, which is. Who's we? It's a documentary series, everyone involved, everyone involved. So his. How he. I mean, I could think the internet for this, I guess. Thank you so much for ruining my life further. But apparently, everyone is so interested and so intrigued by this situation that we are now doing a show. It's fascinating. Always the response. Well, it just is. You know, it's just. It's just. You know, I mean, there's no denying. It's unique. And it's. Yeah. And I think that's what. You know, at least for my. But, yeah, I really admire people who are. Find different ways to make life work for them and do it in a way that, you know, makes them happy and they don't care about what other people think, because so many of us live our lives at the mercy of the opinions of people we've never met online. For sure. Like, for all the people who have questions like myself or anyone else, we can just watch it. Yeah, basically. I mean, you know, with any. There's a lot of people involved between kids and past partners and future partners and whatever. So, who knows, you know, how much will be shown in one season. But I do think it does give an understanding to the dynamics for the most part and where he stands and how things kind of work, because people always make jokes of like, how did you spend 10 minutes here and go over there? Where does he sleep? Blah, blah, blah. The weirdest questions I never thought I'd be asked in my entire life. And so, I think this is going to kind of get into that and give people a little bit more insight. Does he ever like have like, you know, I mean, I come from a family of a loving, I have 10 brothers and sisters. Oh, okay, yeah. And even that, you know, there's only, you know, two parents, you know, with any kind, with any one kid. Does he have a hard time managing quality time with the kids? You know, he's obviously a very busy person and on top of being a dad of many. I don't personally think so, because we have a schedule. He has a, I feel like he's made one with everyone. It's a very tight schedule of like, I'm here this day, I attend this practice, I come and do this, if I can get all the kids together on the weekend, I will. Well, unfortunately for him, he has no life outside of work at these kids, but he's kind of always been that way. I wouldn't say he's like a guy that he's never gone to a game, like he's not doing anything that isn't work or family. He does love this and he does have a lot of fun with the kids and he does his best to spend his time getting them all together and doing the most. - That's cool, yeah. 'Cause I imagine a lot of the critics out there probably say shit about him being some kind of absent parent and it sounds like that's further from the truth. So I'm more so that I'm like, can you please leave? (laughing) And please take everyone with you so I can have some silence. Yeah, no, he that's his main goal. - The boots you're wearing, is that part of you? I know you're big in the footwear. - Yes. - These are yours? - Yes, this is my line. This is Andre Azuz, the collab I did with them and I designed all of these and curated everything. Thank you. - I don't know anything about boots, but they stand out. - Right, I'm here to be loud, about my snake. - How did you get into that? - I just loved fashion and design and I got introduced to this company called Vita and they basically were like, you know, we've been looking for somebody to kind of build something with or endorse or some sort of like celebrity something and I was just like, yeah, I don't wanna do that. I wanna like actually design. I wanna do it head to toe if I'm gonna be a part of it. Like I have to have like full control and they were like, okay, and it was just a perfect, easy partnership from like day one and we're already on like our third collection now. So it's exciting. - How is the being a designer and fashion different than being a real estate agent? - It's so different. I have peace and quiet and I just have to work with myself. (laughing) But no, I think it's just really creative and fun and truly, yeah, I do get to spend more time just staying in that space versus like balancing other people and emotions and energies and wants and all of that. So I truly do love getting in that creative space. - That's great. Where can people get your shoes? Where on Norsham's, where on Zappos, where on Amazon and then Andre Direct. And we're doing some more like mom and pops and other stores as well this year. - I'm curious, what is the most expensive house you sold? - 17.5. (whistling) Yeah, I'm trying to top that. I've been slow since having Legendary and doing everything else, but I wanna get up to it. My goal would be in the 30 to 50 million. That's my goal this year. - A commission. - Insane. - Hits. - You don't have to work all year. (laughing) One sale and you're like, and I'm good, I will be in the Bahamas. (laughing) - For all the people working on something sunset, you sell a house, you get to commission, whatever, and you have to share it with the Oppenheim brothers or Netflix or anything. - Well, yes. - Well, I mean, yeah, 'cause you work for them, I get that, yeah, but outside of, 'cause that's like any company, right? I mean, I'm sure that's typical. - Yeah, so anytime you have your license with a brokerage, you do have to give them whatever your deal is. It could be 50%, it could be 10%. So that's usually what we do. There are people that do something called Teams, more so, and then they have to split throughout that whole team and that's whoever brings the deal, whoever, and you guys all split to kind of stay afloat for the whole year while you're building. - It was like splitting tips if you're a bartender, you all kind of collectively come up with an interesting. - Yeah, so it's actually a really good way to go about it when you're starting, especially if you don't really know what you're doing or you just want support or if you don't necessarily have the clients, like a team is a great way to start. - Would Nick hire you as a real estate agent? - Yeah, I do all his business stuff right now. We just got a new Yamashiro and Sugar Factory, so we'll do those land deals or at least deals or buy the building or whatever. So yeah, and we're also actually, today we put in an offer on the land to buy our dream house and start building. - I mean, who does more of the designing when it comes to your dream house, you or Nick? - I would say like the overall design would be me, but he comes in and makes everything like super extra. I don't even know how to explain it. Like every single thing his customities got, like everything's like a fun room for him. His house in Jersey is a slide from the top story into a ball pit and like, you know, a music room and a candy room and all the extraness. And so he wants to do that type of stuff in our new house. And I'm like, that's fine. As long as I have the movie theater in the pool, the glam room. So it's been fun. - That's great, that's great. Well, what can fans look most forward to when it comes to the upcoming season of selling sunset? - I think they can look forward to it being more fun. Like more fun, more light, more from what I'm hearing from Kristian Hather as it feels like back in the day, like original selling sunset, not so heavy and crazy and dark. So I think that'll be cool. - Outside of the flexibility that you spoke out, what's the thing that you enjoy the most about a non-monogamous relationship? - Flexibility, I would say, I guess it's just like my own, I really get to do my own thing. I don't know if that category is the same as flexibility, but I feel personally when I'm in like a full-time relationship, everything is about them and our home and our this. And this is just for me and for my child. And it really has put me in a place to really grow and do all my businesses and expand and just like work on myself, which I think was the most important from just realizing my childhood trauma and my upbringing and all my stuff and just being a better mom for my son. And I think he really aids in that and is really helpful in that and takes the weight off of the responsibility of a man, no offense, but it gives me that space, yeah. - Non-taken, you know? Yeah, I'm not worried about the-- (laughing) - He's like, I am a responsibility. - Well, great, this has been a lot of fun, man. I appreciate you taking the time and I'm glad you're back on selling sunset. I'm excited about what's to come on the new season. I'm glad that you are a fellow recruit on special forces and I do appreciate you indulging me in some of my questions about, it's less about you and your choices and more about like I am just fascinated with, you know, untraditional relationships because I honestly think we can learn a lot from people who do things a little bit differently. It may not be for us, but I think a lot of people can, you know, learn or think it to about why things that are maybe some untraditional, why they work for some people. And I think sometimes people can learn from it. And if they're open to it, whether they choose to do it or not, maybe they can, you know, gain something from a nugget of the different choices that people do. - Yeah, well, thank you. I appreciate it. - I appreciate your time. Well, where can-- again, remind people, where can they find your shoes? All the things you're doing can plug away. - Yes, yes. So I have a furniture collab, which you can get on furniture of America. I have Andrea Zeus, which is coming. You can get it on Andrea Zeus directly or Nordstroms or Zappos or Amazon. I also have my Pilates studio that's opening in January. I have a lot going on. So find me on Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, but I go nowhere near the reds or whatever that's called. Scary place. - I have not been on TikTok as like an end user and over a year. - What? I love TikTok. I'm obsessed. It's actually probably not healthy. - I'm glad I have a team of people. I'm trying to avoid brain rot. - I love that for you. - It's not good for my mental health. - It's probably not good for my new there, but here we are. It's probably scrolling and then I'll be like, "You know what I'm going to tell you why I hate Nick?" It's like, "Fuck yeah, I got to go." - Trust me, I see mine all day. They're like in fuckbury. I'm like, "Yes, thank you so much." - What's the biggest misconception about you? - Everything. Everyone thinks I'm like the biggest con to ever, which I am, but you have to do something for me to do that. I'm actually quite easy. - You're a breath of fresh air. You're a lot of fun. I appreciate you. - Thank you. It's how your wife, you guys say hi. - I will. - I will. - Thanks for coming. - Thank you. - Goodbye. - Amy, would you want five kids and four baby mamas? - Nah, I don't mind five kids, four baby mamas pushing it. I don't mind the idea of co-parenting. I wouldn't desire it, but kick that can around just in case it gets to that point. - It does seem to work for Bri, you know? Everyone's relationship's different and then she seems happier for it. - Different strokes, different folks, man. - Would you guys rather look cheap or be broke? - Oh, I would rather look cheap. - Look cheap with fat pockets. - For sure, and the Edwards. - Yeah. - It was hilarious. Mary being like, I don't want to think mean, but like I'm in a confessional and she went and he looks cheap. But that being said, I do feel like, I will, yeah. I feel like there's a lot of housewives out there who look rich and are broke as fuck. - Hmm, there's a lot of people out there. A lot of influencers, a lot of people. - Yeah, okay. - A lot of people, it's an illusion. - That's the internet, it's 2026. - Yeah, it's so true. - Do you live in an apartment complex, Jimmy? - Yeah. - Have you been down to the parking garage? - I have. - There's a bunch of Ferraris and Lamborghinis and G-Wagans down there. I'm sure there's nice cars. I don't really pay attention to the cars like that. I'm not a car guy. - I just remember when I lived in an apartment in LA, I was granted apartments in LA are still really expensive and I couldn't believe I was paying what I was paying for a two bedroom apartment. But nevertheless, I was like in the parking garage, it was like the craziest, most expensive cars. And I'm like if you have to live in a place like this and pay rent, the fuck are you driving a Ferrari for? - I'd be seeing the super expensive cars with like the decals and has like the Instagram ad on it. It's like they rented it so much. - Oh my gosh. - Those cracked me up. - I'm such a believer of a humble vehicle until you have your other finances in order and I find it so crazy. Like a lot of my influencer girlfriends, where I'm like I know, I know your financial situation. They drive nice vehicles, really nice vehicles 'cause they don't want to pull up to a function, not in a BMW or not in a, you know, I don't even know freaking cars, audio or whatever. Like it's like girl, just leave the Corolla at home and order a Uber black. - Wait, I have a question now. - So much money. - I have a question. Or pull up in your Hyundai. I'm like literally the way I am like I'm comfortable yeah, it's like guys being comfortable their sexuality I'm comfortable with my finances. I got my I got my shit plugged in where it needs to be I be invested Saving I'm helping people out. I'm donating. I'm doing everything. I need to do I got a little extra and I drive a Hyundai hybrid You know what I mean? Hey so bad when I was asked to be the bachelor I was like on my last dollar like I right before I went on paradise I got eight thousand dollars in my tax returns and that was like oh my god Thank God. I have some money. Mm-hmm made a little bit of money. I'm paradise That a little bit of a cushion and then quickly was asked me the bachelor But I was fucking broke and when I got done filming the bachelor. I was still uber pooling That's crazy Like whatever I didn't care. I don't know. I just never been that guy I don't need a show up in a fucking fancy car or whatever. I don't need a show up in a I have to ask so I don't have a car out here, and I just got my e-bike, which is a cool e-bike You know, it's like a swaggy aesthetic e-bike, but it's still a fucking bicycle How do we feel about pulling them to a function on that? I said Jimmy for you. I support. Fuck yeah, I support Sometimes I have to cast myself on it, man Like if you don't give a fuck no one else gives a fuck Here fucking people who are just looking to be accepted if you show up and you act like you're the smart person in the room They'll all kiss your ass whatever. They might talk shit behind your back when you leave But they're gonna do that fucking anyways, and like yeah, no Sometimes I got to catch myself though cuz like I'll double take and like I see a pretty girl stuff That'd be like I want a fucking bicycle. Let me just keep it pedal. No. No, let me not say what's up right now Just bring a second helmet Are you wearing a helmet? Fuck no Jimmy you gotta wear a helmet. I already lose an aura being on a bike. I got to preserve what I have before Natalie This is this is kind of embarrassing But I lived in Venice and I have a lot of dates over on the habit Kenny and That's this was the era of like the fucking the birds the fucking the the lines. Oh you are on you're on the school Classic So, I'm like taking girls home on the scooter. We're riding the That's the lead is she can love you while you got the scooter as the as the vehicle of transportation I'm team am I the only one in this create like I feel like what is why they I mean I understand Brittany is quirky whatever, but the whole flower thing your team Brittany They're all acting like Brittany is like this. Oh, she stole the flowers and how rude and how blah blah blah And then you find out she's taking these flowers that are gonna wilt and die in a couple days and no doubt are not being appreciated a table full of bouquets And like, you know love Mary, but she does seem like she wastes a lot of stuff and it seems a little materialistic and here you have Brittany taking these flowers and regifting them to elderly and people in you know who just need a day need a smile Yeah, about their day and feel good and then you have all the other housewives being like oh God Brittany Yeah, like yeah, what am I crazy? They like jump. They really got on her like it was Brittany versus the world I was just like damn is it that Well, they took the narrative that she's going to nursing homes to find like an elderly man to leave his some of money And my hot take is if there's an elderly man with no one visiting him in that That retirement home then give it to me. Oh that that's true. That's your - or give it to Brittany like Oh, buddy, because to me, I'm like yeah if your family's not visiting you and you are like locked up as an elderly person and You just assume you're gonna get that the trust if you think you better you better go make your visits honey Because Brittany's coming in with flowers. There's a movie about this. We'll need to be visited. I can't think of the movie There's a movie about this where like Somebody sweeps in and takes all the trust. Yeah, and the family's left to dry as long as they're not like mentally I'm not there then like yeah sure let it let it go to Brittany then she's gonna be richer than all these all these bitches when you saw Seth leave And then Meredith walk out be like yeah Like they're gonna think this and he's like I do have another event It was just like the way all these women in relationships have to live in such fear of the optics of What people think about their relationship because any any perceived crack is you know They're gonna just fucking jump on like oh yeah, it was just like that them showing that glimpse I thought to be so fascinating because like this is a couple who was Gone through the rumor mill they've faced all the accusations about their marriage being in trouble and yada yada yada And this distress that that can cause is I can't I just it's Also how bad is it suck that like when they're having that conversation That is like the last thing they want to air for her to be like well, yeah, like I don't you know It's gonna look like X-mancy and they they're like whispering and it's like that is the one thing Those conversations are the things that you're like, they're not gonna use this and of course they put it in there and it's like damn I thought he was like yeah, I'm just not gonna do this. I he was also kind of like Skittish about it, but he was just like I can't be here. I'm gonna leave. Yeah, immediately Kind of resonated with that. Yeah, but I am it am I the fact that Meredith and Seth have stood the test so stood the test of time and for all the like the the the Heather and Terry to bros You know when we watch these shows and we watch these people be messy and throw these accusations at each other The family send John lease and John But hey, it's just hard in general to make a marriage work over the course of many years or lifetime It's even harder in a world like this And any time whether it's Meredith getting into a fight with say Brittany and I've obviously had Britney's back But like I'm I'm generally if you can make a marriage work for 10 20 years Then I know you have some level of reasonableness. You have some level of normal You have some level of like you know what I'm saying is a post the person who's Been in three different marriages Can't ever make it work They're you know someone else is always the problem like for all of Meredith is you know you can't leave I if you made me choose who's the more Right in these situations. I'm probably going to choose the person who's made their marriage work Is that unfair? No actually speak louder than words. Yeah, you got you they're living proof of working through the ups and the downs and you know coming back together and You know just figuring it out Didn't Justin didn't Meredith and Seth get a divorce and then get remarried they separated but they were they I don't think they officially sometimes you gotta take a break This just makes the heart grow founder. They ain't fight it. They came back together. I love that shit. I'm a hopeless romantic, so you know Hope that show works out and Whitney throwing Lisa and John on the bus felt lame. Who is who is it Angie? That was Putting everybody been this out there the truth fairy the truth fairy. The truth fairy. She was making me mad man How do we feel about her before I say something? I mean overall we love Angie. We do her contacts are trying to make crazy her what her contacts? Yeah, her ITM is her fake contacts that we can't see in the concert episode. Oh my gosh I didn't even notice. She was just being messy just like Yeah, yeah being the truth fairy like Sometimes you need a little messy on the I guess that like is their job literally like as a housewife I guess like to to be messy and to spilty But I like I want to be like yellow like this has nothing to do with you. Just like butt out, but I guess budding budding Buddy doing her job. Well, though. See is there anything you guys really feel the need to unpack it was the season finale I think the biggest takeaway of this episode was All right, well, I guess we're celebrating 20 years of OC and oh yeah And now there's like a two-part reunion not a three-part reunion Which what tells you that they didn't have a lot to work with yeah, it really just felt like a season of you know other than Vicki kind of you know Being Vicki from time to time. It was you know, it was nice to watch. It was a celebration of 20 years rather than like kind of getting into it Do you feel like that's what they intended to to and like everything is fine or do you think only having two episodes for a Union is saying hey, we have a problem and we need to shake things up for next season. I think they need to shake I think they need to shake up and and I enjoyed the season. I will say I enjoyed it, but I Again, it's kind of like in the city. I'm like we need something. We need a little something to bring me to really make me want to tune back in Yeah, I'm gonna be honest as the first time viewer of Orange County. I Nothing felt substantial. You didn't care. Yeah, I didn't find anything like super compelling It felt like background TV to be honest. Yeah, I actually kept rewinding because I just got realizing that it was just going on and I wasn't interested literally same all season part of housewives the only it's like Things don't move quickly often and when you have like, you know, you have a space off of group of women And like yeah, it's just sometimes it's just like You'll be five episodes into a season and you're talking about the same fight It's like, you know, okay. Yep, nothing else. You know, like I do like sometimes you'll have you almost have to mix it up Just because you need new material and you can't like fake fight with the same person forever I think that the secret lives of warmer wives OC or isn't that what it is the Orange County one is just going to take their place No, because it's not bravo. We're like within the consumer media landscape like we're just gonna watch that. Those are more compelling orange county figures. - But like I think housewives is more competing with other housewives because housewives is a very specific kind of formula. And I think obviously the Mormon wives franchise is housewife adjacent, yeah. But it's like it's younger. It's more influencer based type of, you know, so I think it doesn't really compete. - All right, well that will do it for today's episode. Thank you to our guest, Brie T.S.E. And the household, Jimmy, Susie, I love you. - I love you. - And just, you know, thanks for the love of his blind people for really giving us a great season. We are back tomorrow. We have a great, going deeper with new Rony housewife, Erica Hammond, founder of Rumble, married to a billionaire owns an island and making great TV with the cast of Rony. She's a fascinating person. We have a great sit down with her to learn a little bit more about who Erica is. She's outside of being a housewife. So be sure to check out that episode. And then on Thursday we're back with more great stuff. We'll see you then. Bye-bye. (upbeat music)