E1211 - Tyler And Tate Pregnant, Clayton Echard Verdict, Wilson Spills On LIB & H3H3 Scandal

(upbeat music) - What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Volphiles Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host Nick Joined by my wonderful wife. We got Jimmy and Susie in studio as well. How's everyone doing on this beautiful Wednesday morning? - Fabulous. - Fabulous. - Fabulous. - Yeah. - How do you think Clayton's doing, Susie? Do you think he's happy? Do you think he's mad? - I, I don't think he's happy. I think last I saw Clayton which was pretty recently, we hung out like a month ago or so. Just be caught up. We were on a work project caught up. He was hoping, I'm pretty sure. And I don't want to put words in his mouth but I'm pretty sure he was hoping she would get like a year sentencing. - For those of you who don't know who are talking about Clay and Eckhart former bachelor has been going through it for the past few years dealing with false accusations from his accuser, Laura Owens. And she was finally found guilty for fraud, essentially, right? Like some kind of fraud or. - She took a plea deal and it was like four of the, I don't know, 26 felonies that she had been charged with. She took the plea deal for four of them. - Okay. - Facing up to like 30 something years in prison if she were charged with all of them. - Really? - Well, her sentencing came down and she was sentenced to 30 days. - In jail? - With seven years probation. - Seven years probation. - This is a person who wore a fake baby prosthetic. Too court. - A pregnancy belly. - A pregnancy belly? - She got off with 30 days. - Yeah, she got 30 days. And then we watched at least part of it. Like Clayton spoke to the judge before sentencing and was like, you know, as all it seems like which is a normal thing for the victims of, you know, of people before sentencing. And he was, he pointed out eloquently is like, she's not sorry, she's gonna do this again. Like yeah, she took a plea deal but she's still denying that she did all these things. So how is, what is 30 days gonna do? - This is an unwell person. She's ruined lives. And if it weren't, like what's so crazy about this story is that no one cared. - No one cares. More people may be care now because now she's finally being charged and finally the people can say, no, she did this shit. When this it was going down, when the world like lost their mind and it was national news that Clayton allegedly got this girl pregnant and every press out like picked it up. And then he was like, yo, this isn't true. And he came on, you know, came on our show and people on my team were like, we shouldn't do this. I'm like, well, wait, wait, why? Like, can I hear your answer? And they didn't really have an answer. But like the thought was, oh, this is like, it's like, it's, I don't know, it's toxic. I don't want to touch it. And I'm like, wait, what is your point? Like, yeah, if you want, like if we don't, we don't have to do it, but I want to hear your answer. Why do you think this is like a toxic story? And their answer was like, well, I just don't really know anything about it. And it was like, how, this man's life was destroyed. Like this was the, like whatever you'd say, what you want about Clayton, nobody liked him or didn't like him, he was a bachelor on one of the most iconic reality TV shows. It's still an iconic IP, whatever. And this man had a horrible experience and then was falsely accused by this crazy person and no one ever cared whether this man was innocent or not. And now we know he's finally innocent. Finally, some people are starting to care, but it's just, it is crazy. Something like this happens and there, and which is like this person out there destroying lives and she gets 30 days. Yeah. What are we doing? It's crazy. I can't understand it. And I feel so passionate about it. Like obviously Clayton means a lot to me. And we didn't work out in the real world, but we developed a really, I mean, I think a great friendship. But if all my exes, he's one of the few people that I'm actually like friends with. And I think when you just go through something that we went through and then honestly, watching him go through this, it honestly breaks my heart because yeah, think what you want about Clayton. Like truly, like think whatever you want. Like it was a crazy season. He didn't do things perfectly and like he broke a lot of hearts along the way. 100% I can say like as somebody that dated this man, like he has a good heart. You know, his heart is in the right place. The execution may not have been done well on the show. And I'm sure he's made mistakes in like this situation that he's found himself in. It doesn't matter like what you, I don't know. If you if you make mistakes, it doesn't, like your karma should not bring back the kind of visceral experience that this has been. Like I can say as somebody that's talked to him, like this has profoundly affected him. Yeah, it's really, really, truly sad. And also to know that she did this to two other guys. What? Yeah, she did this to two other guys. And again, nobody cared. She never, she was never proven guilty until Clayton finally like came out and finally people were like kind of listening to him. And he was like, I am not gonna let this die. Like I'm so proud of him for fighting for this because it's hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal fees that these people have gone through. And to your point, Susan, what's so fucked about this is because like, and you know more than me because like, and I'm just kind of an outsider, but there's a part of me that wishes Clayton could just move on with his life. Of course. You know, because this has affected him so much. But like the truth is, the reality is, is if he didn't fight for himself for so hard and for so long for all these years, most people, like she would not be facing judgment that, you know, even though it's 30 days, but she would have gotten away with it and she would have continued to do this shit. And it was only him and him saying, I didn't do this, I'm gonna fight for my innocence and no one can, no one wants to listen and no one cares. He hasn't been able to let it go. Yeah. He's been like forced to be obsessed with this thing because he's the only one who's honestly really given a shit about his own innocence. And it says, I don't know, like he deserves so much more than this. - Susan, did you reach out to him after the sendencing? - Yeah, I texted him like that morning. It was like sending prayers, whatever. And then that night when I heard it, I was like, hey, like I know my feelings don't matter in this, but I'm disappointed for you. I don't know how you're feeling if this feels like justice for you, but I hope you're doing well. I haven't heard back from him yet, but to next point, I do think Clayton does have plans to move forward with his life. Like I'm honestly, we should have him on and feel come on because I just think like he does, I know he's planning to like move in a little bit and he's got some really just like cool things that he's like finally, I think going to be able to go live his life because this has really just, it's put a huge pause on everything. - What scares me is, I don't know much about the story, I don't have much context before. Information I've gathered, she strikes me as somebody who just like is desperate for attention. - It's crazy. - And I could totally see her now finding a way to spend like, well, I went to prison now, I'm hard-bodied into a whole new narrative for her. Like she just strikes me as that type of person. - I don't think she's gonna stop the scamming either. - Exactly, and like Clayton's gonna have to unfortunately just like do his best to keep it out of arm's distance, but it's just gonna be like a shadow or something that just follows him. - Yeah, and they live in the same area. Like genuinely, like it's honestly creepy. It is really, really creepy and-- - 30 days is nuts. - I just can't understand it. I don't know, that's where the justice system is frustrating. - Yeah, he deserves better. I'm so glad that he was able to fight for himself. And yeah, I mean, you've mentioned this a few times, but he's overcome some real adversity and some real darkness. And I think sometimes we, I think we just lose perspective and just how like between you, Susie, Jimmy, even Nally, this so many crazy and amazing opportunities have come our way from being a part of this crazy space that we all have been a part of, but it doesn't go that well for everyone. - Yeah. - And Clayton is someone who like, at every turn, he got like screwed over. And like you just, like the, remember the girl who claimed that she slept with him and he was like in a different part of the fucking world? - That was when you all were together, right? - And like ultra viral, I'm of course you remember. - It was like we were moving in together. And he, this woman comes out and makes this TikTok and is like, I slept with Clayton Eckerd last night. I feel so bad for Susie Evans, blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile, my heart's pounding. I'm filming a wedding. I'm doing my old videography job. I'm filming a wedding and I'm like, oh my god, he's got cheated on. And I'm like, please tell me, the bad story at Cruz hasn't left yet. I'm like, can I be the third one? Like someone bring me in. And like, freaky now. And of course, I'm like, it was, it was horrible. And it just like, I immediately and like share your location. It just like disrupted everything. And poor Clayton is just there had just taken a little edible and just trying to have a piece of night. You know, never went to this lady's house. - It was completely made up, it just completely made up. - Completely made up. The worst time for that edible to hit, you know? - Like there was nothing he could have done differently. It wasn't like he put himself in a bad situation. It was just like. - That's terrible. - He'd never met this woman. - Not a mid edible. - Mid edible. And this woman posed that TikTok. Crazy. - I would throw up. - Honestly, like I just, I just send him good energy. And, and you know what, go get a cameo. Let's get a cameo for, for the studio. - Yeah, yeah. - I know, bye one for us. - Well, we do know that the podcast base sometimes the podcast themselves. get cut up in a little bit of drama. What is going on with the hit podcast, H3, in its host, guys? Okay. So the H3, H3 podcast, it basically covers pop culture, you know, what's going on in the world and the internet, all that kind of stuff. And Ethan Klein, and he'll decline his wife. They both co-host with a bunch of other people. And Ethan Klein, who's known to be, you know, a very faithful husband. Him and he, he'll have been married for, I think, 12, 13 years, he cheated on her. It came out that she found out that he was having an affair for six months. How did we find out out of nowhere last week, the producers of H3 posted were pausing indefinitely to which nobody knew what it was. Then Ela Klein, his wife, posted this statement where basically she was like, I found out that he's been lying to me. And there's been this affair that happened for six months. I don't know whether it's just emotional or whether more will come out. It might have been a kiss or something. So the story was changing for her. Oh my gosh. And she basically was like this man and this marriage that I've had just evaporated out of nowhere. So she was figuring everything out. Ethan Klein's reposting the statement. So he's engaging with supporting the narrative against him. Yeah. He's reposting the stuff. So then he post saying like, is that like a crash out, do you think? I think, I don't know. Well, he posted saying like, I'm going to remove myself from like all H3 related businesses so that like, I'm not profiting off of it. I'm going to give it back to Ila and the team or whatever. As of now, all we know is that H3 will try to proceed with Ila. But that doesn't feel like it's that easy of a thing to do. Like Ethan being like, I'm going to step away from all things and I'm not going to profit off of it. I'm like, I feel like that's going to take while. Ila need to do the Ariana Maddox rebrand. Yeah. Give her the Ariana. She needs to study that playbook. Yeah. Get her on dancing. Yeah. A lot of people are assuming that this is either a prank or that maybe it involves a producer if it wasn't a prank. Why would people think it's a prank? Because H3 is known to do like internet stunts like this for like rage bait. No way. You just willingly sign up to get slandered like that. Yeah. This is a big one. I think we're at a point where it's not. Yeah. If it was a prank, how do you think their fans would respond? I feel like that prank. That's a bridge too far. For sure. People are unfollowing like, you don't want to, you don't want to mess with your numbers like that for a prank. You know what I mean? But there are, there are other pranks that would work too. Like they could just chose a different one. Yeah. What are people saying? Because like, I know like what was the try guys? Was that who they are? Yes. And he was also another internet personality that cheated on his wife with someone who worked on his show. And I guess written, why are the people care so much? Because like, you know, people specifically met up cheated for so long. Why do people care about that? Because they flamed Ethan. So people were like trying to throw Ethan and Ned into the same bucket of like your internet people that cheated on your wife when everybody thought you loved her. Yeah, but yeah. Cause aren't they like, weren't they famously men who were like obsessed with their wives? Yeah. And then they cheated type of thing. Okay. Ned is turning on Ethan though. He's basically like, fuck you. Are they both cheated? Yeah. He's basically like, he's saying fuck you Ethan for like judging me so harshly. And they covered that really extensively. And then he's like, you did the same thing. Honestly, honestly, fair. Yeah. Like they comment on a lot of stuff. So I think it just goes to show like people are human. Relations are hard. Infidelity is sadly a thing that happens. But like, have you ever met like very few people are like, I'm going to cheat someday. You know what I'm saying? Like no one ever thinks that's going to happen to them. And it's such a horrible thing. And then when you're not a part of it, you know, it's, it is easy to throw stones. And it is, it is easy to be like, how could you do this to your family and yada, yada, yada? Like it does make you like wonder like what, like what was Ethan thinking in the moment where he's whatever he did, whatever it was he was doing. You would think he was like, I kind of came after someone for this. Right. She said it was six months in the making. So like he, in a way, it wasn't premeditated, but like he had time to like think about it and like have to sit with his behavior in actions. I think one kiss in the club is way better than a six month emotional affair. I agree. And not that either are good. But you know what I mean? I think that like the premeditation of it all, it's like, okay. And not that it's just a mistake. I'm not saying it's okay. Something like that. It's like that's, it's just lesser to evils. Yeah. Exactly. And I think in this scenario, it's like, dang, if you like, dogged on somebody for that and then did the same thing yourself, like, yeah, you kind of have no option but to eat your words. And yeah, I would really rather you tell me that you got super drunk and made out with somebody to club. Then I found out that you were six months, like hiding it. Yeah. Being sneaky with it. That scares me. Do you think they'll get divorced? Or do you think there's a, do you think there's a space of reconciliation? Do they have kids together? They do have kids gathering. Oh, I saw something where she was like, I'm taking the kids and I'm like trying to navigate this like without. It appears everything surrounding age three, a lot of details will probably come out. But the cast, which are the producers in the show, like, they're siding with Ella. Let's mess here that everyone's involved. The whole show. Well, then Ethan's like, reposting and almost supporting everything against him on the internet. I wonder if he's trying to save face owning up to it, I guess. Do you feel like people are buying that? It sounds like a pity party. No, they're not. I know. It's hard because I'm like, I must feel like at this point, I'm like, you might need to just like take a step back because. Yeah, just don't say anything of this. Right. Yeah. Or say something on your own and make your own statement. But I'm like, to repost everything. It's like, it's kind of giving like, I know I'm wrong. Like, please, like, look, look well upon me. So in the future, I can make a comeback. You did make an ability. You did make like a mini statement after all the repost that he was just like, respect, please respect my family's privacy. Don't contact them, looking for comments, you know, so they're obviously going through it right now. And obviously right now, there's probably a lot of pain in hurt. And she more than anyone is trying to just figure out her next steps, right? The question is like, what should she do next? I don't think as always, as obvious as for her, as it is everyone watching it, who in all the fans are like, you know, leave his ass and fuck him. And maybe that's the right thing to do for her. But there was a study that I found. It was by the University of Chicago where they they followed like close to 700 couples, married couples that identified as unhappy in their marriage. And they follow these couples for five years. And what they found out is that close to 80% close to eight out of 10 couples after deciding to stay in the marriage reported that they were in happy marriages five years later, fascinating. And then the people who left the marriages on average reported no actual improvement in their happiness. Wow. It's just interesting. Because again, like, you know, I have the pleasure of of talking a lot of people on Asnic. And I have a lot of specifically women calling in with marriage problems and things like that. And, you know, we're always just trying to find a best path forward. It always feels like the people who should be asking, do I deserve more? And can I, you know, do I deserve to be treated better? Usually aren't the ones actually asking that question. But it is just interesting because like, yeah, I mean, it's not like having a girlfriend or a boyfriend and like something happens. And you're like, I got to leave their, I got to leave their ass. But like when it comes to having kids and being a family and have, they have a company together. They have a business together. You know, like, is the right decision long term? Like, well, could they get through this? Could they get? I don't know. I don't know these people. But it is interesting when you actually look at studies like this that show you that like, marriage is a lifetime. And that sometimes you have these, you know, always hear older couples being like, yeah, we had these couple bad years or whatever. That for all the people out there who like talk about marriages, like this disposable thing where it's just like, yeah, you give it a couple good years and you move on or whatever. And that, that's not always the case. And that like a lot, you know, if you are getting advice about just leaving your partner, you know, maybe you should, but like, you know, is it always the better option? It's just kind of fascinating when you see studies like this about like the long term effects of like a lifetime of a relationship with someone. He is saying she's going to leave, though, by the way. She's not playing. She literally ends her statement with trust yourself. If you're not being treated right, get up and leave. And maybe she should. I don't. It's so much easier to give the advice to just get up and walk away or just what you think the best thing you should do is when you're not the one whose emotions are attached or involved. Yeah. Cause like intellectually you can get like this might not make sense for me. I should leave. But emotionally, it's, you can't just there are sometimes you're not aligned. Sometimes you got to just trust your heart. Sometimes you got to trust your head. And it's, it's easy to give the advice. But if you're the person given the advice, you always got to give the same grace because it's not a easy decision. Yeah. And I usually, like if you're, if the advice you're usually getting is to like blame someone else, and again, it might be just totally Ethan's fault here, right? But that's not usually advice. Anyone can do anything with it, right? You know, but that's just, that's empathy. You know, it's like you can be relating to someone. But there's, to your point, a lot of times when these stories happen, like the reason they are anomatics thing was such a big thing, right? It's because so many people who are cheated on usually don't get like accountability. They usually don't even get apologies. They don't get like someone doesn't usually have to face the fire of their consequences. And here was this guy, Tom Sandoval, that we were all like, fuck this guy. We're going to throw him to the fucking, you know, like so many people who felt like they never had like, they got, they got theirs. They could, they could channel that through Ariana, right? And then kind of project their own pain and suffering on to Tom. And then you just got to sometimes in these moments of pain and hurt, it's not usually good to listen to other people who've also been disenfranchised and hurt by someone because you're usually not getting advice that you can do anything with it. Maybe she should leave. Maybe he's a terrible partner. I have no idea, right? But it is just interesting when you hear about the challenges of marriage and things like that, that you do have to fight for it. You got to work through shit sometimes. I'm thinking about love Island, how everybody was trying to tell Melanie she needed to leave sincere. She decided to stay and I just kept saying in my reaction videos, I've seen these couples work in real life. They go through these bouts and they butt heads and it feels like there's no reconciling whatever's going on, they're not saying eye to eye, but they leave. They come back together. They separate. And this shit in real life and I just, people resonate with that. Sometimes you have to work through shit, you know, and if you do, you know, you might be happy around the other side, but I hope those two figured out it is, it is, it's always sad when you hear about a family that has built something together and especially when kids are involved because like those kids' lives will never be the same. And it's so true what you said about how like marriage is not as disposable as everybody on the internet wants to make it seem. Yeah. It's just not. And like, do you imagine someone who's like, I'm, you know, they're going through a couple bad years. They're like, fuck it. You know, someone's like, yeah, just leave, let's leave their ass like the grass is not always greener. Like sometimes you got to learn the hard way, but you don't want to have to even learn it. Of that study, this is the thing that I thought was the most sobering. For those who divorced or separated were no happier on average five years later than the unhappy spouses who'd stayed married. They also showed no greater improvement in depression, self-esteem or self, or sense of control over their lives, even though researchers accounted for several demographic differences. It's like, yeah, that sucks. It just as equally as miserable. I think that's where it's like, can we all just get into therapy? Everyone individually with your partner, just get a little like assessment. You know, a little tune up, if you will, even if you feel like you don't need it, maybe just go check it out. It's about to need oil change. Get the oil change. Yes. Like do a little check in. Well, that's what I was like. When I'm talking to people struggling who are asking for advice, they're not asking, can I do better? They're not asking, like, how do I level up? They're literally being like, how can I make this choice I made? How can I make this situation better? What can I do? Anyone who calls in, they're always like, what can I do differently? A lot of times I'm like, I don't know what you can do. You're doing, like, you, I'm so sorry you're in this situation. Leave it. Please get out. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Who are like asking, can I do better, who the, you know who should, you know, and if you're out there being like, can I do better, can I level up, can I deserve more? You're probably, probably the problem. That being said, obviously again, like this sending love to Ella and her family, it's the fact that she's going through this and, you know, we're talking, you know, that it is, it is, it is the topic of discussion. Yeah. Something so public like with while also trying to navigate her own feelings, but also trying to navigate being a mom and like that whole, I just, and him resharing the stuff feels sounds kind of icky. Yeah. It feels manipulative. All right. Well, moving on with the episode, we have Tyler and Tate from Dance With The Stars, who recently just announced their pregnant, they're having a baby girl, we're so excited. They're calling in real quickly to share about all the excitement and wonderful things going on in their life. And then following Tate and Tyler, we also have Wilson from Love is Blind and we also have a very fascinating interview with Bridesmaid for hire. I don't know if you guys have seen this online. She recently had a viral TikTok, but this is a woman who's made a very successful business being a Bridesmaid that you can hire for a variety of reasons. You can hire her to break up the marriage. You can hire her to just be your best friend on the side. You can hire her to keep the in-laws in check. You can hire her to kick out guests who were unwelcomed and not invited. She has done it all and she is with us this episode to talk about this crazy idea and all the fascinating stories that she has witnessed along the way with this incredible job. It's a movie in the making that I cannot believe has not been made a movie already. But she is with us and she is coming up later this episode. But up next, we have Tate and Tyler to check in and talk about all the amazing things going on in their life, including him dominating on Dance With The Stars, as well as the announcement of their baby daughter that they are expecting soon. What's up, guys? What's up, guys? Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you so much. Girl dead in the house in a car. You guys. I'm driving to dance rehearsals, y'all. You're killing it, Tyler. Take kill the two. Okay, dancing. Dancing queen. Okay. Thanks. Thanks. I got to ask you guys because I haven't had a chance to ask yet. Did you think it was going to be a girl? Were you guys placing bets? What was it like to actually find out you were having a baby girl? You know, I think I always assumed I would have all boys and Tyler assumed he would have all boys. And because of that, I thought we were going to have a girl. But I think Tyler was the opposite. He bet that we would have a boy just because we both felt like. Yeah, just not the way Janette's worked. Like I grew up. I had all boys on my side. My dad had all boys on his side. And so I was like, yeah, so Janette means that we'll just have all boys and that's not how Janette's worked. So nice. For sure. Yeah. Obviously, y'all found out in like such a insane way, but also I feel like you didn't have time to process like, especially with each other. What was the like debrief like after dancing with the stars at night? I don't know. I feel like we were on such a high. There were so much adrenaline. My family was also there, my mom, my dad, my little sister, and her boyfriend. So I just feel like I kind of don't even remember anything of like what do you remember? I like we got burgers. We went to the burger spot that Nick took us to whatever it's called. We got there every week pretty much. Yeah, no literally every week. But everything was just happening so fast. It was such a whirlwind. It was really like the next warning that we really woke up and we're just looking at each other like, oh my gosh, like we're having a girl. But that whole night before, I really just blacked out. Well, I have to say like, and I was talking to my mom about this and my mom was like, well, I know Tate's going to be the most amazing mom because of just how she was with River. The last time we were all together in LA and like the way that you like got down on River's level and we were with her. And then with Tyler, it's like when we were visiting y'all in Florida and Tyler went to like the grocery store to get snacks and he came back with like floaties and toys and then all this stuff. I was like, he was so excited to just play with River and y'all are going to be the best parents ever. I can not wait to like raise babies together. It's going to be so fun. I'm excited. You guys are going to be the coolest parents. I'm so thrilled to be having a girl and but the more I like living this world now of like I'm a girl dad now and I go and I see like my dad and his little daughter at like lunch today when we were like watching them eat. I was like, I can't wait to have his little daddy daughter dates or you know, we go to these I go to these dance centers and they have all these girls that are rehearsing and dancing. I'm like, I get to now appreciate dance some more so much more on watch these girls dance and like, I can't wait for my daughter to be doing this stuff. I just like the excitement grows from me every single day that you get close to this moment. Actually. That's beautiful. I'm literally trying not to cry over here you guys. I'm dead serious. I'm like, so I'm so emotional watching and watching you perform was so beautiful. I'm just there's going to be amazing parents. Oh, thank you. No, it was it was the coolest experience and I don't know how we'll ever top that for our other kids, but holy cow. Oh my gosh. The next gender reveal is going to be crazy. It's going to be like on traders or something. Yeah. Skydiving. It was one of the most beautiful like experiences that could have ever had. So all my mother that way, the way sharp I'm in the dance of like, I'm like, my mother like, you know, introducing Tate into my life and then me and Tate dancing together and my mom sending us off then into the pregnancy reveal. And then finding out I was a girl dad, it was just like amazing thing after amazing thing. It's like a night that I have like the most amazing videos of the most amazing pictures of like truly one of the greatest gifts I could have ever asked for and like, it's why I'm so grateful for like reality television because every time I've gone on there, it's just giving me something to be so grateful for and so proud of and, you know, doing special courses with you Nick is some of those moments I'm very grateful for but this one definitely takes the cake. Yeah, sure, everyone's talking about how you picked up the confetti and put it in your pocket. No. Was that not like you just ever and I was like, and I'm like, oh my gosh, how did I not think of that? But yeah, realizing what he was doing, I was like, oh my god, I'm so sensitive, you know. It was cool. There was a new thing going on at that point. Yeah. So I was like, man, I just love him so much like that is so literally watching it on some girls tick tock live because we're on the West Coast and we couldn't get it live. And we were, we were, we were ball falling, but I will, I will tell you this girl in her audience absolutely loved your dance. I was like, I'm glad no one went home on dedication night, but it felt like you got short changed of like everyone was like, you better vote for, for Tyler. This episode is going to come out Wednesday morning. I don't know what you can share. Obviously, we will have the results of next week. But how are you feeling going into this week? Are you feeling good about your dance? And do you feel like the goodwill that you had last week will carry over into this week and propel you into even next week? - I really hope so, man. I'm definitely stressed out about this week's dance because I love being here. I love dancing Tuesday nights and dancing with the stars in that room is just, it's one of those feelings that you'll never get to get again. So I try to really soak it in every time I'm in there and make the most of it. So I want this dance to be great. We're gonna put in an eight hour day to try and wrap it all up and get it ready for Tuesday night. I feel good about it. I think it's gonna be a dance where, I think the judges are gonna have to really approve of it for us to succeed because it's gonna be one of those dances that's not necessarily like a crowd, wowser kind of dance, but more of like a very technically sound, beautiful, smooth dance. And I think if we pull that off, you can show that we're really dancing in the ballroom sense. - Okay. - Also, those a, those aides were bullshit, man. I thought it was a beautiful contemporary dance. - I needed a nine. - Oh, no, I was crazy that you got all right. It was, it was really, really good, man. - What is your, what is your dance this week? - It's the V&E's Waltz. And he's driving stuff. - Ooh. - Ooh, that's hot. - Okay. - So, are you gonna be a part of any more dance in a soul patch? - Yeah, all there. - Yeah, Tate, are you dancing anymore? Are you hanging up the hat? - I am hanging up the hat unless dancing with the stars was calling me for next season in which case I? - Okay, all right. - We'll see you next season. - Well, we're gonna be in LA in two weeks and hopefully going to dance with the stars. So we need you to still be on in two weeks. - Yeah. - We need to make that happen. - Make sure everyone votes Tyler. - Two, one, five, two, three. - Everyone vote, everyone vote Tyler. - Ant, yes, I have to agree with that. - Two, one, five, two, three, Zadi, whatever you want to do, they all go to Tyler. So. (laughing) - Stupid. - Someone asked, oh, yes. About your caption being a bottom boy. How was that brought to your attention? - That was a mistake. I messed that one up. - He's a dad, he's a dad now, you know? It's just like a bad dad joke that didn't land. You don't know any better, you're just a dad. - You're not a dad to grow. - All right, we love you guys. - All right, well, you have a lot of dancing to do. Good luck tonight and crafting this dance. Good luck on this week. We're rooting for you. Just so happy for you guys. Thanks for taking the time. I know you got to have a busy day, but we love you guys. I think you're crushing it. So happy for you too and can't wait to all hang out again. - Thank you. We appreciate you guys as well. - We love you guys so much. - Like a leg brother. - Bye guys, sending your love. - All right, thanks guys, good luck today. All right, good luck tomorrow night too. Love you. - Bye. - We love them. - Love them. - Love them. So happy. I'm so glad he's having a daughter. I just, I have so many friends with sons. I just like, I want to be able to, you know, trade stories about like, how did you do that? What did you do? You know, it'll be great. He's going to be such a good girl dad. Up next, we got Wilson from Love is Blind to talk about his journey so far and you are not going to want to miss that. And then following Wilson, we have a great and fascinating conversation with Jen Glantz, also known as Bridesmaid for Hire. She is a person who you can hire for your wedding to do all sorts of things. And she is joining us late this episode to share her story in this fascinating business idea that she came up with. Wilson, welcome to the show, man. How you doing? - I'm doing all right, thanks for having me. How's everyone doing? - We're doing great, we appreciate you taking the time. - I'm not happy to be here. - How has your love as blind journey been? - It's been fun so far. Jen, a chance to, I guess, watch myself when navigating a relationship, getting to know people, being intentional and ultimately trying to reach that goal that everyone desires, which is like finding a partner your person and like longevity, love and all that. So it's been, it's been exciting to say the least. What did you think of the blanket? - Nope, right to it, right first question. - I'm not gonna lie to you. The blanket was lovely, it was nice to see, but I think somebody went to go clean when he's a partner prior to that. And it was a little trick that they put on. - Oh, that was a sad ball. - They did a little filthy, but I mean, - They did her dirty, 'cause I, right away, she was like, what, my knees or something made this funny. - It was a gift or something. - Oh my gosh. - I would hate to think that somebody would just have that spread out on their bed every morning. (laughing) - But it is crazy, because like, I don't know who set her up, but it weirdly almost kind of seemed to match the energy we had been watching, right? - Yeah, yeah. - People, people, I think that will only was smothering me. So it kind of just like fits that narrative, but what do you just, was just happy to be with me. She was in love, man. - Okay. - We can't blame the girl. (laughing) - She's like, and if I'm not here, you can have this blanket to sit for that night. - Exactly. - Well, you seem like an absolute catch Wilson, so I understand why the ladies are fighting over you. I am curious, because like, you know, again, we're so fast and with the show and obviously the experiment, but I think in your relationship with Willie and Cam's relationship have obviously some similarities. And it seems like, tell me if I'm wrong, right? Like, I'm reading you and you seem like you are, you're feeling it, right? You like, you love this girl in this moment, you're excited about the potential, but I gotta imagine that after the reveal, regardless of what you think on the other side, it's kind of like a weird awkward jarring moment that you almost, you have to kind of decompress from. And I felt like I was seeing you kind of, almost trying to be like, all right, now I know what you look like. Let's just, let's take a beat and like, grow into this. And she, on the other end, is like, right off the jump of you guys meeting kind of like, it seems like she's testing you, you know? Like, ask you about the other relationship and how much do you like me, how much do you love me? And it felt like you were getting overwhelmed where what you almost needed in that moment was like, okay, let's just settle in here. Am I, what was it like for you to be in that position? And is it hard to try to navigate feelings of awkwardness and weirdness that seem like natural given the experiment versus trying to make sure that your partner is still feeling confident about your feelings? - Yeah, honestly Nick, I think you hit the nail right on the head with that one on, you explain that so frequently. I'm me personally and like, my dating history, I find it really difficult to like open up, become vulnerable and like trust somebody, but like my feelings. So in the pause, building was able to provide that for me. And I'm like, phenomenal, great. Now let's like move on to the next step. I'm also, I like to consider myself like a slow burner. So we, we, although like in the pause, we're talking about so many things. When we introduce real life, real life experiences, other factors play a part. Like how are you responding to difficult situations? Body language, facial expressions and all of that stuff. So I'm just trying to get all of it to a line. And like, yeah, we'll need kind of, if it's feeling like she's already gotten to the destination. And it's like, no, we still have this like journey to figure out if this is going to last forever. Because I intend on getting married one time and one time. Only so it's like, we really need to like figure, figure out if this is going to work. And yeah, I think that was your point. Once we've reached that point, we're engaged now. Like, okay, let's really try to figure it out. And like whether we can make this a partnership, whether like we're handling situations and challenges like the same. And yeah, just trying to navigate that. Did you feel like she was open to kind of understanding your nerves and an awkwardness of the situation without taking it as your feelings towards her? 'Cause it felt like that's what you were trying to do throughout. And she seemed to be struggling to hear that. - Yeah, 'cause in the pods, it was a lot easier to express myself and I felt heard and seen. But once we got into the real world, I think when it was just like consumed with like, just a lot of joy, happiness and like love, like naturally. 'Cause she felt like she's met her partner. And when I'm expressing myself, for a lot of the times it feels like I'm no longer being as there's not like as much consideration for me. Any more so trying to like navigate. How do I express this to my partner without offending her feelings and being considered of her feelings as well? It was a little challenging to say at least. - It's tough for sure. - Back in the pods when Malayne left, for I guess, how are you feeling about her ghosting you? - I mean, no one wants to be ghosted. But I do get it. We were all on our own journey in the pods. And Malayne made that decision for herself. Obviously I would have loved to have that final conversation to get some closure. - So I think ultimately, Will and he was who was making it safe for me and when I was envisioning a partner and what I wanted out of a relationship, Will and he was kind of providing that for me in the pods. - So I guess that was my next question of like, how did it feel having Will need to deliver that news about Malayne leaving? - Watching it back, I see why the audience was a little frustrated with that. But in the moment, I kept both relationships separate. I went out. I was with Willny. It was about how me and Willny's relationship was developing when I was with Malayne. It was how our relationship was developing. So I didn't really acknowledge it too much. It's like fine. She made that decision, cool. I have this phenomenal thing developing in front of me. Let me now focus on this. - Did it make it easier for you, at least? To be like, all right, this, I'll be wrapping my head around like I'm gonna be with Willny now? - Definitely. I think the idea of being chosen everyone wants to feel like that, especially when I'm also confused about these two people confused about the process, is this real like, am I gonna find my person and her again making it like a soft landing like, okay, if I land here, she's gonna catch me and like make it feel safe. - But there wasn't any like unrealized potential that you felt with Malayne or anything left on the table. - Or like unsettled. - I mean, it's human to wonder like what if, but like I said, she made that decision for herself and when I envision a partner, somebody who can like stick around and like talk through whatever doubts you might have. Like if there's questions that you want me to, anything you want me to clarify on like, let's talk through it. And by like doing that, I don't know, I kind of was just like, it's fine. Like I'm on the type to like, I'm very accepting of things like it is like. - Yeah, it was almost like her decisions in her actions of how she chose to leave was kind of like an answer for you in terms of is this person right for me, right? Like, how can I marry someone who's like, you can't talk through it? Like, you're gonna-- - Yeah, I'm not just saying that Malayne lacks communication skills or any of that 'cause Malayne's a phenomenal person, lover. It was just all of us are dealing with this thing for the very first time and also like in front of a camera. - Obviously, there's so much in the pots we don't get to see, but watching it back, obviously this was your experiencing your life. Were there moments for you while watching it back that you would have wished the audience got to see more of because it felt like, is there anything specific you could share with us because I imagine there's a lot of moments where you're like, well, what about that? - Yeah, I think the audience doesn't really get a chance to get to meet me and I'm like, pretty outgoing like the people I'm comfortable with, like I'm a joke so I don't take too many things serious. Being from Boston like friendly banter is how we communicate and like I like to tease people and like I have a pretty sarcastic attitude to our things. So like when me and Woney are like navigating certain conversations, like sometimes I might come across as like complaining or something, but it's me just like teasing her and joking and that's like the dynamic that we had to develop. So I don't think you really get to see our relationship forming in the pots. Sort of like later down the line when we're like communicating and interacting, it seems like it's a hostile environment but it's not at all. It's like the way that I operate. How did you feel at that restaurant with Woney's family and friends? Because I think viewers are taking it one way and I'm curious how you actually felt in that moment. - I think when we first arrived, it was, I was excited to get to meet obviously the people that are most important are and I wanna make a good first impression. Like this is their little princess, their little baby girl. And at first I started, I was on the hot seat like people were curious like, am I good enough for for their baby girl. So like trying to just like present myself as being worthy of Woney, it got pretty intense. I was just trying to like convey to them that taking care of like my significant other is there's no question about it, there's no doubt. Like I'm always gonna do that. But I think one of the reasons of me on Woney Connect is so well is that this idea of a relationship is to make the life of my partner easier. Like I think we touched on the topic of like gender roles. Like on the type where I like, I've been self-sufficient independent for so long. Like I cook, I clean, I do all that stuff for myself. And like obviously when I'm in a relationship I'm going to do that for my partner. So it's not like, oh, I now have a partner. All of these tours, I'm alleviated from all of them. Like no, but I wanna do it together. Like when I envision my relationship is us on a Sunday or Saturday where we're doing household chores. She might be in one side of the house I'm on the other and we're listening to like the same music and just like connecting and like making it like a fun safe environment for the both of us. And that's what I was trying to express to them. But I don't think it really came off that way. It seemed like I wasn't willing to support my partner and that's not the case at all. Like yeah, I would never degrade a woman to like tours and categories like I have, I have some of my best friends in the entire world or women and like I value women and respect them so much. So I think that mess has kind of got lost in that meetup. - Well you know you did sign up for two bags a year. - Yeah. - Which can get pretty expensive. - That's crazy. - Yeah, I told her but whenever we get like a good bonus from work like I can make that happen. - Did you, did you, I was curious? 'Cause like you know in relationships sometimes people joke and sometimes when they joke they're kind of being serious. Like did it feel like in that moment it was like haha I'm joking but like but seriously I do want to luxury bags the year. And like I think as us guys like you know I want to, I want to make my partner happy. I want to give her the purses but there's a level of like I want to, I want it to feel like a surprise and not an expectation. I want, I want the opportunity to do this thing where you're like I can't believe you did this as opposed to be like checking something off a list of my responsibilities and you know like how did it feel in that moment with her? Did it feel like more like a joke or did it feel like this is like a gentle heads up? - Yeah to your point I think I read it exactly for what it was, it was a gentle. No, it's not the end of this expectation. But I don't have a problem with that. For the woman I love I always intend on spoiling them. Her, it won. - Do I? - Yeah. (laughing) - Yeah just kidding. But yeah always intend on like giving my significant other to the world. So I also have a problem with that. But to your point yeah I want to feel like I'm doing it. Like once you tell me what I need to do or what I have to do it kind of like it turns me out. - Yeah I'm like no, I'm good. - Yeah, there's some satisfaction and feeling like I came up with the idea. (laughing) - Yeah for sure. - I know I was kind of thinking about you know you mentioned how it seems like the internet is perceiving that she was smothering you a little bit. Did you also feel like that? Or like I couldn't tell if you know you say that you've got this like little bit of sarcasm and you guys kind of have this like fun like push play like banter vibe. But I couldn't tell like were you also feeling a little smothered? - No I don't say I was feeling smothered at all. Telled loved to be honest I felt chose so no there was no smothering. - Okay that's good. Have you changed your kissing tactics? (laughing) - Yeah I think I got laid with the pecker man. (laughing) - My wife calls him Phyllis kisses after my grandma. She's like they're a little grandma. That's how you kiss your grandma. - I mean I like to consider myself a gentleman. So like she's inviting me to now go that next take that next step. Cool. (laughing) - How did you perceive kind of Willne's worries about your connection with Malayne? - Yeah watching it back I was a little saddened by it because Willne's a phenomenal person. And I'm not gonna say she was like insecure in those moments but to like have so much so many doubts and like I felt like you should understand that like I chose you like I proposed to you. But then like there's a part of me that wasn't recognizing that like my partner at that time needed reassurance and validation and I got caught up in. I know as men sometimes if it's not literal or if you're not like explaining it to me I'm not gonna understand. It's like I proposed to you like how do you not know that like I loved you and I picked you. But there's other nuances that go into like making my partner feel special that I wasn't providing her at the moment and like watching it back I was a little disappointed that I didn't catch it sooner. Being considering that like I'm pretty good at communicating and I have a lot of awareness and I didn't recognize it at that time. - Well that's very big of you to say. That being said, is there a way that you wish hindsight being 2020 that if she would have communicated differently you might have been better at hearing in the moment because you're right, I mean it's good for you to pick up on but like in the moment it can sometimes feel like not an attack but like you had to defend your decision, right? You had to defend your process to get to where you got which is to propose. Do you wish that she would have communicated in a way that maybe would allowed you not to get more defensive early on or no? - Yeah and I think that's the challenges of a relationship is learning each other's communication style and she was trying her best to express that without also like being accusatory and like blaming me. So I felt that but yeah it was really difficult to navigate because it's like I understand what you were doing but then like I don't like it. So it was a little bit challenging. So like I think her watching it back as well she probably understand that she could probably communicate a little bit better. But yeah it would have helped if she had told me exactly what she was feeling doubt about. - Along with the kissing conversation if you don't mind me asking, I feel like the weirdest part of this entire experience has to be when you meet the person for the first time because you have all of this emotional intimacy with no physical intimacy and you kind of, there was a conversation I think it was you talking about like when your person's changing and you're kind of like this is the person I'm getting married to but am I allowed to look? 'Cause I've actually not even been in a room with her more than. you know, two hours, how did you navigate that and like, was that the strangest part for you? Yeah, it was weird because once you meet the person, there's still a stranger. Yes. Almost you recognize them more from the voice. It's so weird to explain and it's like, oh shit, like, here she is. Not saying that, I wasn't so weird. No, no, yeah. So yeah, so trying to just like connect the two and like, yeah, like, okay, like, I know you're a voice and I know you're, you're, I know, you're heart, you're spirit and all of that, you're soul. But the person I'm looking at, like, I'm still now going to know them. Again, like I said, like, the way that you behave, like facial expressions, body language and all of that. Like, can I like your moves or not? Yeah, can I? I like them. Like, you are my fiancee. Technically, technically, yeah. That is such a bizarre, that is the most bizarre part of this whole experience for me as a viewer. I can't even imagine trying to connect even even when you meet somebody virtually, like over an app and then you have to meet in person, it's so different. So I can't imagine not seeing them at all. Is it hard in that environment after you guys meet and all the couples get together? Do you guys, does you notice yourself or either or the other couples kind of comparing like who is more in love or who is more compatible? Is it hard not to just stay in your lane and focus in your relationship versus comparing all the other couples? For me, no, I didn't have that problem comparing. I was happy with the person. And when she got to reconnect with her friends that she built the form strong connections with in the lounge, I was happy to see her be excited about that. And I got to see the boys and we got to let loose for a bit. Because now after we propose and get engaged, it becomes serious. It's like, all right, well, I've made this commitment to like get married. Now I have to focus on this. So yeah, when we got to Mexico and we saw some of the other couples, it was cool for a moment and then get back to focusing on taking that next step. Wilson, can I get your thoughts on the experiment that is love is blind just because it's to me, it sounds insane. Like the thought of Mary somebody before actually seeing them. But then I think about it and you really do build that foundation first before you take that next step, which is like romantic, physical intimacy, all of that. Can you get your thoughts on what you think about that and like previous dating experiences and going about trying to find your person? Yeah, I think the first point that's important going into this sort of experiment is like buying into to the to the process that like it could happen. Was I skeptical? Hell yeah. I'm like, there's no way I'm going to talk to somebody like behind a wall and I'm going to feel strong enough emotions to like propose it. I'm like, I'll do this like we can have two weeks, enjoy this this little bit and then like go tell my friends that I got an opportunity to go on love is blind. But then once you're sitting in there, you're talking to people for hours about things that that in past relationships, I never talk to that person about and I would have been with them for years and get an opportunity to talk to them about it. I take a seat back and I'm like, oh, shit, like, am I falling in love? Yeah, yeah, this might be real like I find myself going emotional and things like that. I'm like, uh, man, they got me. Interesting. Wilson, we really appreciate you taking the time. It's been fun to catch up with you. Before we let you go, though, we'd love mini game. It's not really a mini game, but just you were so honest. But try to answer this question, obviously, because we have more episodes to see of what you thought of these couples at this stage of the journey. So you guys are living together, you know, you're hanging out with them. But we would just love like a one word or one sentence kind of what you thought about these couples as they were moving through the experience with you. Cool. We can start with a Neha and Cam animated. Yeah, that's a good one. Okay, Erica and Blake, uh, voyage. Michaela and Rob. They're a tough one. That's, um, because I know both of them so well, they're just like what's the word? Perfect. Drone dramatic. Oh, interesting. They're good for each other, but it's just like always a life-speed theatrical is actually the way I was. Yeah, you said a little soft stuff, a couple of those interviews. Yeah, she might have fun. All right, Sarah and John. Yeah, lock in. Oh, and here it is. I'll put you to track. Okay. Okay. And last but not least, the fun one, Jackson, Stu, presidential. Well, you're a delight, man. That's great. We haven't seen the end, so don't disappoint us, but it seems like a really good solid cast in general. But, you know, even the group of guys, it's been fun to have men to root for. We appreciate that. It's been a breath of fresh air from Ohio. Yeah, really. So we appreciate you, man. And just best of luck, best of luck to the rest of the way. We're excited to see how things play out and, um, hope hopefully in love. But if not, either way, it's been great to talk with you. Cool. Appreciate it. It's great again to meet you guys. I hope I get to see you guys soon. Yeah. Thank you, man. Take care. Bye. Jen, welcome to the show. I think so much for having me. We're very excited to have you very fascinated. Uh, we are obviously our show that loves to talk about fascinating things about relationships. And you recently, maybe I don't know how not too recently posted this very viral TikTok where it was like a trending sound about like, uh, weddings or something and, uh, you revealed maybe not for the first time, but at least for minded people about your very unique job that you have as a bridesmaid for hire. Yes. We have so many questions. Obviously, this viral TikTok was about how you've basically part of your job is to be hired to maybe call off weddings. Let's table that for a second. But let's just start with like, how does someone get a job like this? Like, was it an idea you had? Like, is this a thing that we're just not aware of? Like, how did this get started? It was a complete accident in my early 20s. All my friends were getting engaged. I was always the bridesmaid and then distant friends would ask me like, people you'd speak to once or twice a year. And I got nicknamed the professional bridesmaid. So I figured, okay, this was in, uh, 2014. So I posted an ad on Craigslist and I offered my services out there to the world as a hired bridesmaid. The ad exploded and I've been doing this for over 12 years. That's incredible. I mean, and I guess I just never were a thought of having this idea. So what was it about these experiences at weddings that made you think like, hey, there's a business opportunity here. You know, usually you think of, you know, bridesmaids and groomsmen is obviously a very intimate role. I mean, there's often fights about, you know, who gets asked and who's not asked when it comes to standing up in a wedding. And yet you realize that like, people might need to pay for my services. And I'm just kind of curious how you came to that realization. One thing I saw when I was a bridesmaid for my friends is that there is such a loneliness happening behind the scenes at weddings that no one really talks about. On Instagram, it looks like we all have so many friends, but in real life, we don't always have people to turn to when times get tough. And weddings are often the hardest time of a lot of people's lives. Yeah. And so as soon as you post this on Craigslist, you said like, it basically blew up right away. I had over 300 responses from people all over the world. And I started booking clients. My first client was Ashley from Minnesota. I got on an airplane. And I walked down the aisle as her actual bridesmaid. So what conversations did you have with Ashley? Like right when she booked-- Yeah, what's the prep? Yeah. So the first thing is finding out why they're hiring me. And everyone has a different reason. In her situation, she had fired her best friend as her maid of honor because she was trying to sabotage the wedding. And she wasn't there for her. But first, I figured out what the why is. And it's always unique. And then one of the things that makes this job unique is that people don't always tell anyone else I'm hired. So I have a fake name and a fake back story. And I blend into their lives. So the next question is, hey, who can I be? I'm not Jen Glance. I'm Sarah Smith. I'm Stephanie Sanchez. I'm somebody else that I can fit into your life. And we create this back story that I memorized and I take on. So that when I show up in your real life, I blend in. And is there ever any questions of like, hey, we also need you to come to the bachelor at party. We also need you at the bridal party. Like, do you have to kind of do all these other things? Yeah, deep is it girl, yeah. It goes so deep. I do everything that your real friend would do. So I go to the bachelor at party. I often give a speech at your actual wedding. I do. I'm the person you're texting at 3am when your life is falling apart. I am your best friend for that period of time. So what are like, what are all the services that you offer? So people usually hire me as a bridesmaid. So we do a lot of pre phone calls where we get to know each other. And for this job to actually feel real, you have to really get to know a person. So I get to know them as you would a friend. Maybe we have coffee if we're in the same city. If not, we're texting about shows. We're watching. We create these inside jokes. And we build this dynamic and this relationship. So that one word together doesn't feel like I'm an employee. It feels like I'm somebody who's been embedded in their life for so long. So I offer the higher bridesday package where I do everything a real bridesmaid would do. I'll come to all your pre wedding events. I'll be there on your actual wedding. And then once you say I do and the party's over, I never see you again. But I also offer other wedding services like speech writing, validating and a bunch of wedding planning tools. Wow. And has there ever been a moment where you're like, I'm obsessed with this girl, we've become best friends, now we're hanging out. - Yeah, that's the hardest part. I leave wedding sometimes and I'm crying because I know that this person, I would be great friends in real life. But unfortunately, the friendship has to end because it was fake, it wasn't real. And we have to go back to our real lives. And it's so painful and so sad. But on the flip side, I leave wedding sometimes and I'm like, thank God I never have person this person again because we never would have hit it off in real life. - Wow. - Have you ever been found out? - I've had sometimes where people are like, oh, you look familiar and I'm like, oh my God, so do you. I think I know you from summer camp or summer like that. But I have one instance where a mom was really creeped out. She couldn't believe it for some reason. And I was a friend from high school and she opened up the yearbook and I wasn't in the yearbook. So she had found out and was really upset with her daughter. - But did she make a scene at the wedding? - She didn't. She just was really nasty to me and I couldn't figure out why and then once it ended, she and her daughter confronted me and she was like, yeah, my mom knows. And she's not happy. - God, that's like, okay, my mom's not happy. - Oh my God. Can I ask how much does this service cost? - Yeah, so it ranges based on how many events you want me to go to and how many phone calls we have before the wedding but it starts at about 2,500 and it goes up from there. - Wow. - You're making your crush in it. You're like, how many weddings a year are you doing? - When I first started, I was doing about 50 weddings a year, pretty much every weekend, sometimes two or three a weekend and now I'm a bit more selective but I'll do anywhere from 15 to 25 a year and I have employees that will also do the weddings for me when I can't go or if they request for more walls. - Wow. And how is the hiring process to hire employees? - It's awful because it's the kind of job where it's like, what's the prerequisite for being a hired bride today? - Yeah, it's crazy. So it's been really hard. I've had to fire people. I've had people quit on the job, like literally walk out of the wedding because it's so grueling. People think it's glamorous to put on a dress and go to a party but you're dealing with like emotional warfare, you're dealing with so much drama, physical labor and it's just like really actually tough so a lot of people don't want to do it more than one or two weddings. - You've seen so many weddings that you must have a lot of opinions about what makes a good or a bad wedding. What are some of the best wedding environments you've been to and what are some of the worst? - You know, like when I started this business, I was frank and honest that I don't actually like weddings. I think they're strange and over the top and it was weird for me to enter this world because it was so foreign to me. I like this job because I love working with people in difficult situations. So I really got to see all different types of backgrounds, cultures, types of weddings. And I started to realize that people think to get married, you need to do X, Y and Z, have this cookie-cutting wedding, but it's actually not true. So the best weddings I've ever seen are the ones where they totally throw out the script and do things that they like or that are interesting to them. I've worked weddings in the middle of Times Square, I've worked weddings at bowling alleys, I've worked weddings truly at like all different types of places that you wouldn't think are wedding venues. And I think that makes a really awesome wedding is when it's surprising to people and it doesn't follow from A to Z what everyone thinks is gonna happen. - And can you give us like a couple of reasons why people would hire you? - Yeah, so one of the main reasons is that the person doesn't have any close friends and that sounds sad, but over 50% of people don't have more than one close friend. So that's reason number one is that they're lonely and they don't have anyone to turn to. And then the second group of people are people who actually have a lot of friends, they have other bridesmaids, but their bridesmaids are a bit of a mess or they're kind of self-centered and they want someone to really be there for them and their friends can't do that, so they'll hire me for that. But then I've had some more unique reasons like I had a person who was marrying somebody who she knew was gay but nobody else knew he was gay and she didn't want to involve her friends. So she hired me instead. I've had people who hire me because they don't want to ask their friends because they feel bad burdening their friends, so they'll hire me and they'll ask me to bring three of my friends to be their bridesmaids. So there's a lot of reasons, but I think underneath all of them is a sense of loneliness and just fear. - Is there a market for groomsmen as well? Have you had to hire men? - I think so, I never got into the groomsmen part of it, but I really do think that there is a market for that. I think the reasons and the responsibilities would be so different though. - Yeah, like aren't you married yourself? - I am, yeah, as my husband wants. I think that on my first date he was like, I love this for you, but I am just not gonna do this with you. - Were you nervous to tell him what you did? 'Cause like there's a bit of like deception and obviously deceit in what you do. So I imagine on the first date he was like, like how good of a liar are you? Like. - Yeah, I mean a lot of guys have been out with before him. They're like, oh, you're like a wedding crazier or this is so strange, but he had I guess researched me before the first date. So when he got there, he's like, I know all about it. I think it's awesome, but don't involve me. - Oh my gosh. - And I guess like how deep are you making these characters? Like do they have to have social medias? Do they have to like, you know, what if? - Oh yeah, that's a good question. - What if the other people at the wedding are like, oh my gosh, I love you. I wanna follow you on Instagram. Like what, what's happening then? - The character at its baseline is very aloof. She doesn't have social media. She's taking a little bit of a break. - Oh I love you. - Like, oh my God, can I follow you on Instagram? I'm like, oh man, I just deleted my Instagram. So I can't follow you. - I don't wanna hide this. - I've had flip-ups where I'm like just vibing with a person so much and they're like, oh, can we follow each other? And I almost do it and I fumbled a little bit with that. But it's not so weird in this day and age to be like, oh man, I'm just like taking a break from it. - Yeah, that's true. - Oh, that makes a lot of sense. And then obviously on your viral TikTok, you referenced that you've been hired to call off a wedding. So like what, what does that look like? And why you evolve all people to call out? And what does that even look like? - Are you doing the, like, does anyone object? - Yeah, is it as simple as that? Just raising the hand or do you create drama? Do you sort of fight? Are you the one walking into the groove and be like, listen, she doesn't wanna do it? - Straightening all of the above and everything in between. I have been hired by people who want me to call off the wedding for them before they even walked on the aisle. I've had people five minutes before the wedding, pull me aside and say, I can't do this, get me out of here. I've done it all. And I think a lot of people get married and they have that fear in their head or they have that realization right as they're walking down the aisle or even before that they don't want to do this. You'll hear that from a lot of people who get divorced that they knew on their wedding day that they didn't wanna do this. But who are you gonna tell? Your family wants you to get married. Your friends don't wanna create drama. So you feel so isolated in that feeling. So people will call me and hire me 'cause I have no stakes in the game. I want what's best for you. So it's actually a really popular service that people go for because they have nobody else to turn to. - So are you like, you're walking, like let's say in a traditional wedding, you got the ills, you're walking up to the podium and is saying, I'm sorry everyone. Bethany no longer wants to go through this. Thank you for showing up, enjoy the food or like. - Yeah, that has happened before. I had a wedding in Satin Island once where the bride, five minutes before she grabbed me by the arm, put me in a room and locked the door and said, Jen, I hate the groom. I don't wanna do this. And I said to her, okay, fine, I'll call us in Uber. We'll go get pizza, like no problem. But this is real life, it's not a movie. So before we do that, you have to sit with the groom and you have to tell him we're leaving. So I locked them in a room for 10 minutes. I set a timer and after 10 minutes, they decided to go through with the wedding but not sign the marriage license, which is actually really common. A lot of people have a wedding but they don't legally get married and you would have no idea. So my biggest piece of advice is, if you're unsure about this person, you're gonna get married to, either number one, have a prenup or number two, do not sign the marriage license. - That's kind of genius, yeah. - Yeah, nobody's gonna know and then you could easily walk away. So a lot of people do that and they don't even know that's an option. And how often does, when your work is, typically I guess you're working with the bride, how often does the husband or boyfriend fiance know that they're hiring you? - Very rarely. So often times they'll keep it a secret, even from the person that they're marrying that I'm the hired bride's maid. - How many of those people are still married? - I mean, look, the marriage rate alone is like what, 40% of people get divorced. So people marry for reasons other than love that I or you might never understand but it works for them. And they stay married longer than people who are like, that couple's madly in love. They sometimes end before a couple who you're like, they're never gonna make it. It's so random who makes it and you does it. - In those situations where you're like, how are you, when he's not happening people? And they don't go through the ceremony and just not sign the certificate. How many of those situations do people just like, is there still a party? The foods already serve, the money's been spent. Are, is the DJ still playing music or does everyone just go home? - Yeah, if it happens on the day of and the couple agrees to just kind of go through the motions they'll have a party like this set an island one. They did their first dance but it was like a high school first dance. They were like five feet away from each other. Like you could tell there was something going on with them but oftentimes people will just kind of go through the motions. If we're canceling it before the actual wedding sometimes they'll try to get money back from the vendors or just throw a party for either just the bride's family or the groom's family and sometimes people will sell off parts of their wedding. So if it's like a month or two before they'll find someone who needs a florist or who needs a DJ and they'll like sell that vendor to that person for a great and get some money back. So if you're thinking of canceling your wedding and you're panicking that you're gonna lose money and it's gonna be horrible, no you can do it. There's ways to do it and if you feel like that's right, think about it. - That makes sense, yeah. What's been like the craziest bridezilla moment you've witnessed? - Oh my God, I've had everything from like the police having to come, the fired apartment having to come. I've had grooms that like we literally could not find for hours. I've had brides who tell like tell me that their mother or the mother of the groom is not allowed in the venue. And I have to like kick them out, which is horrible. I've had wedding crashes. I've had, you know, a lot of times it's like the parents are often the problem. Like I've had parents who invite 50 guests that nobody knew were arriving. And I have to tell those 50 people you have to leave. I've had brides who are openly cheating at their wedding. What do you mean openly cheating? I had a bride who was texting another guy, like very sexual texts at her wedding. Oh my God. Did you like catch her? Like how did that? How did that come to light open it back? She was like, told me all about it. Oh my gosh. And how often are you like, you know, they're hiring you for a service. I'm you're clearly very professional about this very unique thing. Are you tempted to give unsolicited advice in these very emotional moments? Are you just like not my business, not my problem as long as the check cash is? No, I do. I do give advice, but just like a real friend would tell you like, Hey, what are you doing? They're still going to do what they want to do. So yeah, I do give advice. I do give my opinions because I really have nothing to lose and I do care for them. If I didn't care for them, the job would never work. So a part of me really does care for them. And I will give them advice. I'll give them the out that their friends won't give them. Like, Hey, you don't have to do this, but they're not always going to listen. And trust me, like I don't, I don't sleep at night. Like I wake up in the middle of the night and think about these stories. And I'm like, could I have done something different, but it's not my life. And you can only do what you can do. Have you ever had to console a groom? Yeah, I have. I've had grooms who like the bride has either said something to them or has like threatened them. They don't want to do this and they've come to me and I've tried to talk to them. But you know, oftentimes I feel like grooms just want to keep a low profile. They want the wedding to happen. So when there's drama, they're just asking me or begging me to just make sure everything goes smoothly rather than like, what is going on? Just like, Jen, can you just like get this going kind of vibe? Wow. Wow. That's crazy. And how many employees do you have under you now? I've had over a hundred thousand people applied to work for me. And over the years, I've had anywhere between five and 10. But the turnover rate is huge. Because again, it's not that glamorous and it's not that fun. Wow. So what makes you still able to do it? I have always had a fascination for strangers. And I'm the kind of person who like, I'll meet someone and find out their deepest, darkest secrets in the first 20 minutes of us talking. It's just who I've always been and I love helping those people. And it allows me to live all of a life. Like, I'm a mom in Brooklyn. I don't really like my life's like not that exciting. And then on the weekends, like it's a put on this bridesmaid dress and fly somewhere random and be this completely different person and then come back to my life. How fun are those debriefs with your husband? Like the day after the wedding? Like are you just like, oh my god, listen, it's so hard. Because he's like, what are you even saying? Like, this doesn't even add up. Like, how did this happen? And I'm just like, okay, I, I sometimes don't even tell him. I'm like, I need 24 hours to just like sit in my thoughts. And then I'll be back to Jen. So it's really hard living this double life, but it keeps me on my toes. Really can't want Hannah. Would you consider yourself a romantic or a cynic? Who I think, a combination of both, I think I'm a realist. I think when I met my husband, it was hard for me to imagine marriage and a wedding because I'd seen so much and I put him through so many tests. I made us meet with a divorce lawyer, a financial advisor. I made him do all these like pretty much like a marriage boot camp before we got married. Because I was so scared that I would show up at my own wedding and be like, what am I doing? And who was this person? Because I had seen that. And then I think once I got over that and settled into marriage, which isn't really rainbows and butterflies. Like, it's a lot of a lot of things. I think I became more of a romantic after getting married. You've written a book, right? About this. Yes. And I'm assuming it's a lot about these experience. But I feel like you have another book in your future like a call it marriage boot camp in a way of like, because you know what I'm saying, like it's 2026, into your point, like, you know, the institution of marriage, right, was, you know, that obviously has a deep history. But like in modern history, it was this very romantic thing and we kind of lost ourselves and I'm in love and blah, blah, blah, but to your point, like, it's a very serious decision that has so many like practical ramifications. And like, to your point, like, this is the decision, hey, we're going to bet on each other and spend the rest of our lives and, and the rest of our lives, like, includes most likely serious conversations, tough conversations, awkward conversations, all of the above and yet so many people who like get engaged and get married kind of avoid those, let's just like, you know, I just put that off. I don't want to do that, right? And I don't want to take the romance out of this planning of this wedding and yet that's like so important, right? And if you're able to get through it, like, you know, what you do with your husband, genius, like, and you're, you're probably, you know, better for it, right? Because if, if you're not willing to do it, then, you know, it's like, you're, how are we going to be able to get through whatever it is that comes our way? A thousand percent. I don't think that it should be romantic before you get married. I think it should be real and I think it should be so disgustingly honest. Like, you should note every single ounce of each other's finances. You should have a getaway plan if it fails. I think it's dangerous to walk into marriage and think to yourself, this is going to last forever. And I think you get lazy and you get complacent and I think you get depressed. So I don't think you should walk into it thinking this is going to last forever. I think you should walk into it thinking, I want to be with this person forever and I hope we make it that far. Life is going to be really hard and it's going to get really complicated. And can we figure out how to work through that and hopefully we can. And the only way to do that is by having really ugly conversations very early on. Do you remember a call off the wedding situation where you were like thinking, I don't know how I'm going to pull this off? Yeah, I had a one where the bride saw that the groom's ex-girlfriend had entered the wedding situation. The kid entered the, she had entered the wedding venue and she freaked out and wanted to call the whole thing off because this person had entered the wedding and he didn't invite her. She just showed up. So that was really tough because in that moment, and this was like right before the wedding was going to start, she was obviously very emotional and there was a lot for them to unpack here, but there was no time to have that conversation and to unpack that. So that was a tough situation where there just wasn't enough time for them to fill out their feelings and they did ultimately end up getting married. Is there anything you add a wedding, like a prop or some of the traditional things that are expected to get that come into wedding that if a brighter groom shoot, you see it at a wedding, you'll think to yourself, they're not going to make it. Or you know what I'm saying? Are any kind of cliches or things that like are giveaways to you that you've seen over the years? I mean, it's so hard because like, yeah, I've seen people who like open up butterflies and doves during the wedding and have them fly. I had one bride who wanted to do that. We did that. Which is fine. Like, it's really cute. And I've had someone wanted me to call them Princess Jessica and call the group King, like Matt. Like, there's different things like that where I'm like, what is going on? Are we putting on such a show because there's not a good foundation here? But the truth is, you never, ever know what's going to make a couple work. A lot of people get married again for so many different reasons and that lasts a long time for them. So I don't think you can really tell at the wedding. I've had couples who are screaming at each other, calling each other a bitch, like horrible things right before they're walking down the aisle where you're like, these two people should never be together, but they've lasted 12 years. And maybe that's because like, that's their weird messed up communication style. And I can't really judge that. So I don't think we ever know who's going to make it. Life is so hard. Things happen that ruined relationships that we could never predict. Wow. I mean, and also our does was like, they're, someone was like, we could do this. And it was like, it was like, it's your neighbor who was like, the day before it was like, I have all of these doves that I can like, let go, and we were like, amazing. And now our daughter's name is Dev. That's sweet. Yes. It has meaning to you. And I think that's the most important part is like, do things that have a meaning to you or for you. Or maybe in the future. Yes. It's gonna rise. Wow. This is a, this is wild. This is crazy. I would like, I bet you're just so fun the next day after a wedding of like, spill the tea, tell me everything. How did it go? Like, you with your girlfriends or you with your husband? I just like can't imagine. Fun when we have people, I have people who work for me will go to weddings together and then we'll debrief. Oh, you did it together, yeah. And they understand that world, but a lot of people don't understand it. So it's actually a lonely job for me because I'll come home and I'll have lived this whole life, but really have nobody that will get me. And I also lost a lot of friends in the process because it is a weekend job. So I had to miss my own friend weddings and celebrations for the job. Wow. Yeah. And they were pretty pissed. Of course. But you know, when I started this job, it was like full-time job for a while. I needed the money. So I had to work these weddings and yeah, it was tough on my relationship. In your opinion, what's, what are some of the biggest waste of money that people spend on weddings? Not really everything. Like, I'm thinking people should, when they're planning a wedding, they should just look at a blank piece of paper and say, what do we actually want? Like, you don't need flowers. You don't need catered food from these people who'd the food sucks. Like, you don't need to wear a white dress. You don't need to have like all of these things. You should only have what you actually want. If you love the food from a certain restaurant, why don't you just do that rather than having a hotel cater your wedding? So I think that I, I hope, and I think we're getting there in 2026 that people are moving away from cookie cutter and they're asking themselves the questions of like, what do we like? What do we care about as a couple and making as personalized as possible? Wow. So I guess what is your like, in goal for this business? I want to be a bridesmaid for hire for the rest of my life. I don't think there's an age to this job. I mean, bridesmaids are all ages. We have friends of all ages. The guy want to be 96 years old walking down the aisle for a person supporting them because why not? So I hope to do this for the rest of my life. When's the movie coming out? Let's pray. I mean, this is so. Like, right, like 47 dresses or like, this is, this is, this is 47, 27, 27 dresses. I don't know. This is such a movie. Yeah. I agree. I agree. I hope that it can become that side. Have you been reached out to by anyone that would be in a position to make this a movie? You know the world of Hollywood. Like, things go left, right, up, down. So it's always in limbo and I manifest this every day of my life, so who would you want to play you? Wow, that is a really tough question. Hillary does having a big moment right now, I think you're right. You know who? I, I've literally, I feel like there'd be something, no, no, no, I know, she got you, because you kind of look like her. Um, oh, uh, well, I have one of mine, Kristen Bell could be great. Um, Camilla Luttington from Grey's Anatomy. Yeah, a friend of mine. Okay. Yeah. Right, I feel like you look similar, that would be fun. Kristen Bell would be good too. Kristen Bell would be fun. Yeah. Yeah. It writes itself. It's a genius movie. It's a genius book and a genius job. So honestly, I props to you. Thank you. Yeah. Are you, you must be pretty good at giving relationship advice at this point. I think I have seen so much that when people usually tell me a situation or they tell me what's wrong, I ask them to tell me again, because I find that most people are never honest with what's really happening when they first tell you. So I try to get to the truth of what's really going on and it's never what people tell you. Wow. That's good. That's crazy. This is so fascinating. I mean, I'm, I'm just in such an off such that the creativity of this job and, uh, do you at this point, do you have any competitors? I was the first person in the world to start this in 2014 and I think people have tried here and there, but I'm the only person who's kind of made this a thing and built it with employees and have had it go on for over 14 years. I think, again, it's harder than it looks. Like you have to be really trusting of strangers who hire you and it's a little scary. I mean, sometimes I get on an airplane and I'm not sure who's going to be waiting for me when I get off, especially in 2014 before we had FaceTime, we had Skype, which nobody really had. So I was scared. I was going to be catfished sometimes because you never know who's going to be picking you up from the airport for this you've been. Oh, man, I've only been in the U.S. for weddings, but I've been all over Vegas, Seattle, like everywhere across the country. Have there been any situations that got a little dicey? I've had situations where I wasn't sure who was going to meet me and sometimes they weren't exactly who they said they were, but they were getting married. So it was kosher, but yeah, there was some moments where I was a little, little scared. Wow. I mean, going back to like the competitors, I definitely feel like you, you really are, like ahead of the game and like you are your own, because if anyone tried to start right now, it's like, am I going to go with like Joe Shmo, who just started this business or Jim Lans who's been doing this for the last 14 years and like, like, you're, I feel like you're just, you, you're going to crush. I mean, this is just like, yeah, but to your point, it's clearly just, like you're, you're forever going to be the only person who can do it, like no one's ever going to come for your job. I think people find solace in talking to a person who has seen so much. But there's nothing you can tell me that would freak me out. So a lot of times people will get on the phone before they hire me and they're like, I just need to tell you like what is going on and I don't give them a reaction like they're expecting because to me, it's like, oh, cool, okay, whatever, you know, so I think there's a lot of peace in that and your own friends just kind of can't do that because when we have a friendship, like it's so loaded, there's so much history and we come to our friends for a lot, but sometimes the personal stuff we shy away from, I am like the most secretive person in the world. So there's no difference, nothing, but I will tell a complete stranger on a park bench. My deepest, darkest secrets because who cares? So I understand the minds of people who are hiring me because I kind of am them. Do you have any reservations about posting the TikToks, having them go viral, coming on. Yeah. He's like being, having more known. Yeah. Not really. Like, I've never been recognized and I think it's because like, you know, at a wedding, I look a little different. I have my hair done. I mean, I look kind of different. And you're never expecting this, right? And people aren't like, oh my god, I know her. And if a bride is worried that if they hire me, I'll be seen. People will recognize me. Then they'll hire someone else who works for me and no one will ever know. So I always ask the client, like, do you mind if it's me or do you want somebody more anonymous? But most of the time, they don't really have an issue with me because I'm not that recognizable. You're not really looking at the bridesmaids so close, thinking that's Genglanz. You're like, oh, that girl? Super familiar. Have you ever had to wear a wig or like a, almost like go above and beyond to mask your appearance or just do it for fun? Yeah. And I've had to like, darken my hair a little bit sometimes back in the day to mask my appearance. I'll change my makeup up. I mean, you can look really different with just makeup alone. So yeah, I honestly like fly by the radar at these weddings. I really never get caught. And most of the time, people don't even want to talk to me because I'm not the main event. So they don't only have much to say. That's true. I mean, it's all unique and kind of weird in terms of its requests. But outside of everything you just told us, what's like one of the weirdest requests? You weren't expecting after you got hired to perform at one of these weddings. You know, I've had, um, I've had some kind of more sad moments like I had a bride who hired me for a New Year's Eve wedding and right before it was time to walk down the aisle, she wouldn't walk. She was like, like stuck and she started hysterically crying. And her mom came back down the aisle, put her hand behind her and pushed her down the aisle. And I remember just watching this thinking like, this is horrible and that sticks with me a lot. So I've had really sad, weird moments like that, but I've had, you know, a lot of people who need me to do the dirty work for their wedding, whether it's, have really hard conversations or take them shopping, give them makeovers, like do things that a good friend would do, but they don't have anyone to do it for them. Outside of the bride, has anyone in the family ever hired you for the wedding? I've had a lot of moms hire me, um, a lot of moms have hired me to make sure that they're okay or they've hired me for their daughter specifically because they notice their daughter is feeling sad or lonely or doesn't have support. So a lot of the moms will contact me. Okay. And does that usually go well? No. I mean, I'm a mom. I feel like if I did that to my daughter, she'd be like, what the heck. But oftentimes the, the brides are like, no, why are we doing this? And then they meet me and they, they, they understand. So 50% of the time they're all about it and 50% of the time I give the money back and I'm like, this is not going to work. I mean, I've also been fired before by brides. I've had brides who I start working with and they're like, this just isn't working for us. And I've also quit. I've said like, look, I can't do this. What you're asking is too much. I mean, the business of friendship is tough because it's like a 24 hour business and how do you put a price tag on that? So if I don't answer fast enough or if they text me in the middle of the night and I don't get back to them, we have to set boundaries. And sometimes they don't like that and it doesn't work out. You mentioned the cops were called ones. What happened there? There's a lot of fights that happen at weddings. I mean, a lot of alcohol is consumed. There's open bars. So the cops have come before for a fight. The cops have called because their, the parents have invited extra guests and they went leave and the, like, people getting married, wanted them out. So they called the cops. I've had grooms get into fights before and the cops have had to come. I've had the fire fighters come because there's been fires at weddings. I had a bride once who put tealites in her pool and it caught the pool lining on fire. Good Lord. What kind of people show up to a wedding uninvited and refuse to leave? That's a lot. Yeah. Do you take, like, improv classes and preparation for this? Like, how do you prep, you know, because you have to be so good, literally at improvving situations and thinking on your feet? Is that something that just comes naturally or are you like, you know, doing working on your craft? Yeah, working on your craft. So I'm like so shy in my real life, like in social situations, I'm like, oh my god, don't talk to me. But again, I think when you go into this, you're playing, you're living a double life and it's so fun and thrilling and truly like, I think the best thing you can do is just deflect. So when people ask me a question, like, how do you know the bride? I'm like, I know from yoga class, how do you know the bride? And if you just keep questioning people, which is what I do in my own life so I don't have to talk about myself, they kind of get off your back. So I'm not a natural at this. I fell into this by accident and it's just been a game changer. Have you found that you've gotten like really good at confrontation? Like are there are there any situations in real life where you in your personal life, there's an awkward situation or is that like two different worlds? It's so two different worlds. Like in my real life, I'm using chat GPT. I'm like, how do I respond to this awkward text message or the person's talking to me? What do I do? I'm like so conflict or void it, but at these weddings, I'm like elbows out. I will take care of business because it's kind of like Cinderella. Like you know at a certain hour, you are out of here. So you could be anyone and people can be mad at you and you never see them again. But in my real life, I'm like so scared that people aren't going to like me that I'm always like so avoidant of conflict. Have you been to this store in Brooklyn that Kelly Clarkson has gotten to fight with? I'm literally trying, I'm going to try to go there this weekend. I have so many thoughts on this situation. Are you who's side of you on? I'm so on the store side. I mean, it's freaking Brooklyn and she looked like everybody else who lives in Brooklyn. I don't think they knew it was her. I think that's just how we all, you know, are and I look it's hard to work in a store. It's hard to own a store. So I'm on the team of the store. Okay. Okay. I know. That's so controversial. Yeah, whatever. I think for the most part of this story, like everyone's passionate about it, but like, it's like so stupid that no matter what, like, it's like, it's the best. It's the best kind of drama. She needs to donate the 15,000 to a bird charity or something and like move on. I feel like it's just become too much for what it is. - That's kind of nice. - It's kind of crazy. Well, this has been so much fun, now. This is, this is, I'm so fascinating. I really appreciate you taking the time and talking about this. I'm sure so many people are interested in this story and maybe we'll have you back to hear more stories in the future. And then where can people get your book and if they want to read about your story? - Oh, that'd be awesome. You can find my book, "Finally the Bride" by Jen Glance on Amazon. You can learn more about me bridesmaidforhier.com or bridesmaidforhier on TikTok and Instagram. - Amazing. - Amazing. Jen, "Bride" for hire. - Yes. - I don't know if we'll ever, well, I don't know, we won't, we're married, we're good. But now that I know that you exist, I'll be like thinking, I wonder if this is a situation for Jen, you know, like I know, I got a person. - We know a girl. - We know a girl. - You ever want to come to weddings? Let me know. There we go. - All right. Jen, this has been so much fun. We really appreciate you taking the time and best of luck on this very unique and amazing venture you have. - Thank you guys so much for coming. - I can't wait for the movie. - Me too. - All right, take care, Jen, I appreciate you. - Thank you guys. - Well, that will do it for today's episode. Thank you to all our guests. Tate and Tyler Wilson from Love Is Blind and Jen, also known as bridesmaidforhier. We appreciate them all and we appreciate you guys listening. We'll see you back tomorrow. Bye-bye. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)