E1206 - Love Is Blind's Secret Love Story, Victoria's Secret Fashion Show & Isaiah Jaay

(upbeat music) - What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Valfaul's Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host Nick, joined by my wonderful, amazing wife and mother of our children. - Oh my God. - That was came off, thank you. Mother of my children. - Oh no, like mommy, not my mom. I got a little confused. I remember growing up and my mom was always like, she did not want my dad to refer to my mom. It's like mom is if it was her name, you know, ask mom. Like when talking to the kids yes, but like I think there's a lot of couples where like you're just mom. Like when I'm, hey, hey mom, like when like husband talks to wife and like forgets that her name is Babe or Natalie or whatever and just says mom. - That was the same way with my grandparents. She did not want to be my dad's mom. Did not want to be called mom. And then they ended up like because your kids start saying, hey Nick, you know, it's my River Cosmic Nick. Hey Nick, now she's, she knows my name is Natalie but she does refer to me as Babe. If she can't find me, she'll go mom, mom, babe. Hey Babe, wait, that's so cute. - I love that. - I love that. But yeah, my grandparents ended up saying-- - And why is that because when I'm looking for my wife, I still affectionately say babe. - And I say Nick. - River says Nick when she's looking for me. - That's actually hysterical. And I also understand, I'm not a mom, but I understand where your mom was coming from and where your grandma you said was coming from because I also don't know that I would want to be mom all the time. I mean, I don't know, I don't know. I feel like that's probably coming from like an exhausted person who's like, "I'm not mom right now." Like, yeah, I just want to be Natalie. - Yeah, so anyways, I had a little bit of that, I channeled that when I was introducing the show. We have a fantastic episode lined up for you. There is a lot of dancing with the Stars drama to unpack. I mean, I guess like, should we be excited that this show is really just getting messy and fun? Like, you know, are we hate it? - No, it is. - We'll discuss. We'll discuss. Lots of love is blind to get into. We got five jam-packed episodes. We also have a very special treat for you here at The Wall of Files. As you know, many seasons, well, every season, they're casting what, 30 men, 30 women, they're only picking a select group of people to follow. - I think it's 32. - They're joining. - Who knows? But they only select a few couples, like five or six couples to follow. And every once in a while, there is a couple on these shows that truly finds love. And yet, for whatever reason, maybe they leave on their own, maybe they weren't selected, I don't know. But we don't get to follow their journey. Well, we have a Wall of Files exclusive here today because there was a love connection on love as blind boss in this year that the show did not follow. It was not because the show decided not to. It is because these two people just like, quit, they left, it didn't think the pods were for them. And then something happened. A man fell in love and chased a woman down. Not like an stalker, sort of way. - In a beautiful way. And they fell in love. And they are here today to talk about their journey and how they fell in love, Tucker and Sahar. - It's a great story. And we have them here first, the Wall of Files exclusive. I know you guys love this sort of thing. You guys are always interested in the couples that fall in love. But we don't get to feature and watch on the show. But we have it here, we get to hear it from them. We also have the very hilarious and funny Isaiah, J, back with us to discuss all the episodes of love is blind and get into the nitty gritty of all the things that went down in the first five episodes. Do you guys wanna start with the Victoria Secrets fashion show before we're gonna into the dance with the stars, Jenna? - I think so. I mean, it definitely is back. And I think last year, wasn't it last year that kind of was like, like kind of crashed and burned? - They did it last year, but it just wasn't classic Victoria Secrets angels. Like it was more modernized in Savage X Fenty, but this year is like bringing back the iconic. - Yeah. - And by iconic, we mean hot. - It's always been hot. - There's more to angels than just their beauty, by the way. - I actually think I was here on the show last year when we talked about it, and I can't remember why. Like I wish I rewatched it to like have context, but I remember us all being like meh meh. Like it just kind of, it was like yeah. - Okay, we were so pumped that it was back, but it just didn't hit the same way. I don't know what the word is, but whatever it was this year, it's like they hit everything that you could have wanted. Like one, we saw all different types of models, which I freaking love. And like I feel like I kept seeing videos so people like when you see yourself represented on the runway, and it was, but it was like ultra glam. You know what I mean? Like everyone looked sickening. It was like that old classic. Everyone looked insane. So, so good. We had three performances, how many performances? - Yes. - And we had Tatemakers. - Right, Megamaroni, Megan the Stallion, Katzai. - So good. I keep seeing videos of Megamaroni like with her big wings, like kind of taking over the stage and all these models are like ducking behind her wings. Do we not feel like there was a rehearsal with that? I don't know. I do. - To be fair, that stage wasn't as wide. - I feel like you really have to train for a long time. I feel like that's not just like a 15 minute run through. I feel like those wings are probably hard. - I know, but I guess if it were me performing, I would be so conscious of like everyone walking around and be like my nightmare would be hitting a model and her falling down. Like that is worst case scenario. And so I would probably just like not move. - I feel that. I feel like when you're in that position though, at least if that were me, maybe I'm a diva for this, but I'm like, I feel like if I were Megamaroni and I had these big ass wings on, I'd be like, that's y'all's job to figure out because I gotta, girls gotta work. I gotta make my money. So, like, Dodge, you know what I mean? Like, figure it out models. That's what you're here for. - They brought back the glitter runway too, but the glitter was under the stage instead of like what they were walking through, which is different. - Mmm. - They were like, we realized the glitter got really messy. - Yeah. - And it's a tripping hazard. - I was thinking, oh, and Justin mentioned there was a model from like 10 years ago who fell. - Who fell. - Me and she, and they brought her back and she was like the most iconic look. - Sunning. We love a redemption arc. - Oh, I remember when she fell, that was heartbreaking. - She looked gorgeous when she did it too. - Mm-hmm, she did. - But you could feel her just like, her disappoint. You know, you could feel it through the screen and then this go around, she was so powerful and it was like, didn't even phaser. We also had Barbara Palvin and Elsa Hosk who had just given birth six weeks ago, crazy. Insane, they both looked so good. But just like giving birth six weeks ago and walking the Victoria Secret Fashion Show is just next couple, six weeks. Were they just down to do this regardless? Like did they agree to this ages ago and they were like, I don't care what the outcome is gonna be? 'Cause like, I feel like you can't know what you're gonna look like on the other side of the pregnancy. - So like, were they just like, yeah, we're down no matter what? Or did they come out on the other side? And they're like, yeah, I'm gonna go for it. - No, that means interesting. I mean, I'm sure they, because you can't even work out. Six weeks is when you get cleared to work out and have sex and like be mobile. So it's like, I think it might be longer for C sections. I don't know, 'cause I've never had one, but it is six weeks for natural birth. But I did see a video of Romy Stredidge. I don't know how to say her last name, but she obviously has been a Victoria Secret Angel for years and she posted being like, I still haven't, I'm like waiting to be, you know, approved, but I'm still working out because I'm waiting on the call. Like, I know it's gonna happen two hours later, gets a call like, no, you're not gonna be walking this year. And it's like, I wonder what, you know, she's been a Victoria Secret Angel forever for so long and it's just like, you just didn't pick her this time. That's interesting that she shared that. Did she post that like on stories or was it like a real, I'm posted in real, yeah. - Like the day of? - No, it was a couple of days before. But she was like, this stuff always happens. Like, this is fashion, you know? Like, everything's really last minute. So she's like, I'm still working out. I like, you know, I'm still in it. I know what's gonna happen. And then literally, she posts the same day two hours later, like crying being like, I just got a call saying that I'm not doing it. - When people post that, which I love, like that's T, like as a fan or as to me, that's just like interested in pop culture. I love that insight because I'm like, oh, that's how the industry works. But I'm curious how Victoria Secret feels about her like coming online crying about it. I'm like, does that kind of like prevent them from wanting to bring her back in the future because I'm like, are the people in the comments gonna be like, how would you, like, how could you do this? - Things are last minute. - Very last minute. - Okay. - And Elsa could have been like, we don't know, but like, we'll see what happens. But yeah, it seems like Remy found out a couple of days ago. - So you ask your question? I don't know. I think it's a case by case basis. You think it really depends on who's in charge. How petty are they? At the end of the day, as we always say, like in this business, like, you know, talent or, you know, talented interest wins, right? So like, it depends on what the response was. And if there was, you know, like if you made a decision, like if you're like a casting person and they made the video, I mean, you might feel a certain way, but if next season comes along and you realize that you could even benefit from your own decision by them bringing that person back. - Right. - That's why like producers or casting people in this, you know, like, they have the benefit of that anonymity, right? You know, like, you know, like reality TV producers, like, they don't care if they're like referred to as like, these dark and evil people who pull the string, you know, because there's no face to it. And then when they do something, when they flip it, right, they'll get the credit as well, right? So like, I don't know. But maybe someone's like, it's really petty. And then we have Kylie Jenner with the fantasy bra shock of the century. I don't think, and this is what makes Justin told us this when we were saying. Wait, do you want to say it? Yeah, sure. Okay. So Natalie's going to hate me for this conspiracy there. But I actually think it makes sense. I think Kendall Jenner is pregnant with Jacob already's baby and because they couldn't get Kendall, they got Kylie because Kylie's a model, but she's not a runway model. And she looked gorgeous in that bra, but I think they needed like, Chris was like, okay, we don't have Kendall. She's busy. We're keeping this a secret for now, but here is Kylie. Otherwise, I would have given it to Gigi Urbella. So this is when I think Justin does need to get off the internet. You know what I'm saying? And I do think he needs to go touch grass. Like a grandmother for a conspiracy theory can't just be limited to. It makes sense. She just was on. No, no, no, she was just on a red carpet with Jacob. And a very tight dress. There was no bump there. So like debunked. I also think Kylie, it would be expected to have Kendall wear the fantasy bra. She's walked the Victoria Sugar Fashion Show for years. It's like, okay, yeah, Kylie, it's like what? She is not a runway model. She has never done this before. I think the last runway she walked was like Sherry Hill when she was 15. So it's like that, that I think gets people talking more and that's what they want with the fantasy bra. Okay. That does make sense. It does make sense. How do you feel, Justin? I mean, I did predict Lindsay Hubbard's baby. So. Okay. I think that adds any credibility to the situation. Like I would have been on board with Justin until Natalie said that there was no bump in the red carpet that she just did. But I personally, I feel like the Kardashians, there's so much drama between like who gets what deal? Like I don't actually watch the show, but I feel like I've seen clips. There was like something with Kim, oh gosh, I'm so about it, like with the references. But there was like a designer that one of the girls worked with. And then she, the other sister copied her and it's like, you know, that's my thing. And so I feel like there's like all this drama that I'm kind of shocked, that Kendall, like wouldn't be hurt by this a little bit. Like I feel like Victoria Seeker was her thing, like runway was her thing, right? That would be crazy. Unless your sister. Well, I mean, totally. I'd be pumped for my sister to get it. But like the Kardashians, like, I don't know unless she was pregnant. And then it's like, yeah, of course, take it because I'm not going to do it. She's not. But Kendall wasn't even there. She's not pregnant. Kendall wasn't there. She was not there. I'm guessing she could have been if she was invited. Museum Gala. Oh, I have a question about that. That's, I was all over my feed. What is the Academy Museum Gala and why was it so, I know Taylor Swift performed? It seemed like all the, the elites were there. I mean, it's a Gala. Right. It was raising money for the Academy Museum of Motion Pictures. But it just seemed like the who's who of the elites. I think given it was a Gala for the Academy Museum, they have like access to like the top of the top when it comes to talent. Like if you want a chance at an Oscar, that's the same Academy. Yeah. The Academy. So maybe that's why Kendall was like, I got to go support my man. Maybe? Yeah. And one of the opportunity she could have gone to the show, or less, are you saying that her not being there was her almost, oh, you don't want me for the bra, then I'm not fucking going. No, literally. Like if you were going to offer it to my, like, I'm saying this as her, I'm like, if you're going to offer this to my sister, like, I'm not going to sit in the audience and watch it as I've walked the show twice. Like, I don't know. I feel like it was also wasn't Kylie Jenner when she was pregnant. Didn't she disappear and out of nowhere just post about it? Kendall was just on a red carpet last night. Okay. Natalie's winning me ever with that argument, but like, I think it's going to be, I'm like, I hope the cameras are running. I'm curious. And she was wearing, she wasn't wearing a Barbara Palvin or Haley Seinfeld dress on the red carpet. Like these girls did when they were hiding their pregnancy. She was wearing a tight on the belly dress. Okay. Nine months from now, we'll circle back. We'll circle back in nine months. Okay. Um, I will say on Victoria's Secret, they did have Salange, the model, the new angel that came from angels among us. So do you remember the, the castings and the models that they did? Yes. So she's one of them. She's a 20 year old student from Maine and she looks gorgeous. I love that. I wonder what her life looks like after this. Oh, she's probably not in school anymore, right? Or maybe actually maybe she finishes. Like, do you think her career is going to just like pop off and now she's like, doesn't have to go back to school, doesn't need a job. I think she's going to. I just feel like she's bringing back like the fantasy of like anybody can be a angel. I feel like they lost that for a minute, but now like she's proof that you can't be, which I love. She was modeling Victoria's Secret, not pink, right? She was doing it for Victoria's Secret. So that was what the mall castings were. No, no, no, I know. But I'm saying like for the runway, was she wearing Victoria's Secret or was she wearing pink? She was an angel. She had wings. So it was for Victoria's Secret. The girls who was put in the pink. Did you see their outfits? That was crazy. I forgot that pink was part of the runway. It's so funny. It's so tacky. It's cute though. Why are they doing, why are they doing leg warmers with high heels and jeans with 14 different? I was like, what guys come on? We've got to level this up. It's true. Yeah, you're right. The girls that they put in pink. That's no shade to them from us. That's shade from them. That's shade to pink. Literally. I mean, I feel like if they keep bringing her back as an angel, then it's like, okay. This is her career. Yes. So then I think it will persist, but we'll see. We have a fantastic episode for you on Thursday. We have Benita and Stu from Love is Blind to catch up with them and get their reactions from all the craziness that went down in the pods. We also have the icon herself, Dorinda, to talk about the golden life. I'm very excited for our boy Tyler. He talked about it when they came on the show. I want to place a big bet on calls sheet that they're not going home. I realize though, you can make more money by actually predicting who does go home, not who doesn't go home because like you're not, which makes sense because you're basically, it's like the field. Who do you think is going home? That's not definitely not Tyler. There's no way. There's no way he can, if, if, after tonight, he's going to, he's going to, he's going to go home. We'll see. I'm curious if Connor Wood will go home because I do, I do feel like he's slipping through the cracks a little bit. Well, and also dedication night is tough. We talked about this last week. When it comes to life, super grateful that overall, I have not faced some of the type of strategy and hardships that many people have, but dedication is often in these moments. There's usually adversity that really pulls in the heartstrings or there is just like a really beautiful moment that you can't, can't beat. Like you went and picked up Vanessa again. I hadn't, yeah, nothing to go with, you know, it was like, it was, it's like, and again, I don't know Connor Wood's background. Maybe he's going to shock us, but it wouldn't shock me if Connor was like, yeah, you know, my parents, you know, they've always been there for me, you know, like, again, maybe Hillsha, I don't know what he's got. It might not compete with some of the other, like Ezra's of the world, that Julia Stiles a full life. I bet she could have something really cool. It's all about mothers, right? Everyone's dedicating to their mothers. I think Julia Stiles was dedicating her to Heath Ledger. Am I really? Am I crazy? Oh my God. Yeah, and they're doing, can't take my eyes off of you. But Julia Stiles not going home. Yeah. Tatiana Lee is dedicating it to the late James Avery. So everyone's kind of doing something different, but a lot of them are doing their moms because moms are the best. Shout out Natalie, moms are the best and Connor's doing his dad. So I guess we'll see. When Rivers on Dancing with the Stars, I hope she puts her dedication to me. We'll find out. It'll be an exciting night of dancing. All right. Up next we have a beautiful couple. Maybe the most in love couple of this season of Dancing with the Stars. We see. We don't know what happens at the end, but we do know these two people are very much in love and they met in the pods and we have the exclusive of their story, how they connected post pods, what happened, what went down, all the things that you guys love about this show. We have Sohar and Tucker with us to talk about their love journey that started in the pods of love is Blind Boston and they are up. Next and then following Tucker and Sohar, we have Isaiah J to break down all five episodes of Love is Blind and then we'll send you on your way. But up next it's Tucker and Sohar. Tucker and Sohar, welcome to the show. Thank you. Thanks for having us. Very excited to talk with you guys. I don't know how much you guys have been following Love is Blind over the years, but every once in a while, a couple like you guys emerges from the show that we don't get to see in Fall in Love with and the fans eat this shit up. It's like we, you know, and so I think there's like a part of it too, because like there's a genuineness of the show is how you met, but maybe the show isn't the reason why you guys fell in love. So maybe just like walk us through how things played out when you were in the pods and kind of what led to the things unfolding once you got out of the pods. So like when we're in the pods, we're dating multiple people and you're kind of like ranking them on by one. And then that pool kind of gets smaller as we make it a little bit further along throughout the week. Sohar was my like firm number one after the first day. Okay. So you were like, you were in love right off the jet, yeah, cool, yeah. And like Tucker was like up there, but I think like the more conversations we had, I just was not, I wasn't so sure about like the romantic connection there. And like it comes from a place of like, I went in honestly with like a checklist of things I was looking for, which is also how I date in real life, which is also probably why I was single and in there in the first place. But like. That's not, it wasn't like the right way. I don't think to like go into this experiment. And so there was a few things that I was just like, okay, like yeah, he's great, but like he's not like checking the things that are off that I'm like looking for necessarily on like my little imaginary list that I had. - Just out of curiosity, what was on this imaginary list that he wasn't checking on? - What are these two? - Yeah. - I want to make sure they'll probably check when off some of these like in the stage. - Yeah, yeah. - Okay, so I wanted someone who was like, very funny, which he was, and very like personable, which he was. But I think at the time, I had a really hard time imagining like who Tucker was. Like he was like Tucker from Vermont. So I was like, I had this like idea in my head, and I was like, I don't know if this is like, I'm looking for like my tall, dark handsome, and like Tucker from Vermont is, kind of lost, like kind of lost me like a frat boy or something. - No, I know, I'm from an 800 person, like dairy farming town in Vermont. Like my voice and people are like, my friends were like, they're gonna have no idea what you look like, which is a good thing. Like that's how you buy into like the experiment. But I knew like people's interpretation of me 'cause you come up with like an idea of what people are gonna look like. Like you know, you just like formulate things in your head. So I just knew people are gonna have the complete wrong interpretation of what I looked like, which is fine. I think it came out a bit more and I started talking about how I was adopted. People are like, okay, maybe there's like some backstory here, but I knew like people are gonna be like, come up with something they're had and just be so different. - Yeah, which like on my part, that's like my failure in this experiment. 'Cause like the whole point is to try and like take all of your preconceived like notions out of it and I just like couldn't. And so at some point, I think like along the way I was like, Tucker, I think we're like such good friends, but I think we should just like remain friends. And I was like, let's like get together for like wine and cheese and like a charcuterie board. Like when we get back to Boston. - Did you say this like in the pod before? - I did. - She was really, she was in the first five minutes and but she was like, but she was like, I think I was talking, she's like, Tucker, I don't know if this is a romantic connection. She's like, but like, I don't wanna go back to lounge right now. Like, let's chat the whole hour. And we had a really good conversation. Like, I loved everything about her backstory and like how independent and like hardworking she is. And yeah, we made plans like to wine and charcuterie. She invited me over as soon as we, like we're back in box. - Well, he also took that like really well. Like if he was like, but heard about it when I like ended things with him in the pods, I would have been like, okay, like sky, I don't know. But he took it so well and like he was still like, down to chat for like the whole hour that we were in there. And then we got back into Boston. - So we're missing how we connected. - Okay, yeah. - So, so I just wanna set the stage. So you're in the pods and you're like, so hard, you're like, let's just be friends. Did you not, did you kind of end the process for yourselves at that point? Like at what point in the pod process where you both like, I'm out? - We both went home the same day, but that's a few days later. So like we had other connections. We were still exploring at that point. And it was pretty early on where you still had like a lot of options. - And then neither of you found anyone else obviously. And then you were like, it's time for us to go. - Yeah, but she like stuck with me. Like, so yeah, like a few days after, like, and I went home and I'm like, I wanna talk to Sahar. It's such a good conversation. I'm like googling like Sahar, like orthodontist boss and I can't find anything. - The one thing I found was her LinkedIn profile. So I had to send her a LinkedIn message. - Do you have a last name at this point? - No. - No. - No. - Okay. - You are Nancy Drew. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I couldn't believe it. So I slid in her LinkedIn DMs and then send her my number and she texted me back. I was at the airport. I think she was on the flight home. - Yeah. - And we texted the whole flight back. And it made plans to meet up that night. - Yeah. - So Tucker, I wanna hear from you first. You found Sahar and LinkedIn. And then obviously I'm assuming you saw a picture of her first reactions. - Oh, I mean, she was like, you know, I had this like, idea like I don't know that many Persians 'cause I'm from Vermont like a small town. There aren't that many, but like I had like a little idea. Obviously like way more beautiful in person than I could have imagined. And then she texted me and she was like, I saw, she's like when I saw a picture she's like, I'm shocked, she's like, I'm shooketh. I can't believe this is like the face coming out of that voice I was listening to. - That's amazing. - Yeah, so funny. - So LinkedIn worked. I wouldn't advise doing it. - But then did you get that notification immediately? - So I got it. I was like checking my email. I don't know why. I was, well because I didn't have my phone for a whole week. So I think I was like going through it. And then I refreshed. And it was like Tucker has like sent you a message on LinkedIn. I was like, am I dreaming right? Like what's going on? And then I opened it and like he had this like sweet message and every year I like respond to that same LinkedIn message. And I'm like, don't ever forget. - So I don't know how much you guys can share. But obviously we know this is a TV show. There's producing and things like that. And at any point in the process, like are you guys being encouraged? Like you know, for example, like what, long ago I was on the bachelor, right? And they obviously want people to choose from themselves and make authentic choices. But like in this very tumultuous, very kind of foreign environment. Sometimes they'll push in the us in the direction if they feel like, hey, these people could be a match. Did you guys get a sense from the producers? That they were people thinking that you guys could hit off? - I will say. So on one of the nights, I had like a little bit of a mentee bee unrelated to Tucker. It was like in a day with like a very nice guy, we just had a very, that we had a conversation that like left me very upset. And I just like, I think like emotions were running high. It was like day two or three at this point of like, just like being sequestered. And like it was just very intense. And so I ended up asking the producers that night to like leave early and like go home. And like I for went my last date of the night, which was with Tucker. And I remember my producer was like, well, like you know you could be like you losing your opportunity with him because like if you don't go on a date with him, like he may no longer want to see you for like a date later. And I was like, I understand like I would hate that, but like I can't like sit in another date right now. Like I'll like go home. And the next day he showed up on like my roster of like, people that I was still dating. So I was, I don't know like what the algorithm is, but I felt very lucky that like that wasn't the last conversation that Tucker and I had. And that like we ended up having one more date. - So what was the first date? How did you guys end up meeting up in person? - It was great. So a bunch of us all landed back in Boston the same day. And I think initially I was like, all right, it's hard when we're meeting up. And she's like, oh, we're doing girls brunch. I was like, okay, fine. I'm gonna sit on the girls brunch. But a bunch of us went out in Boston. And I swear to God, I walked in and so hard was like staring at me for 10 minutes. I think it might be like overstating it a little bit. But I think the first thing you said was like you great style, which I appreciated. And then we hit it off from like that moment essentially. - I will say like the first moment I saw him in person, I was like, god damn it. I was like, I'm gonna be such an asshole. If I now go up to him and I'm like, hey, I know like we said that we should be friends, but I actually think you're my type to a tea. I couldn't have built a better person to fit what I imagine. I wanted to be on the other side of the wall. And I couldn't have made a voice that was less matching to like what I thought you would look like. But I'm very lucky because like he had such a good sense of here rev out in like he and I like hit it off. And like it was just it was like, the chemistry was very undeniable. It was like really hard to. - So everything happens for reason, blah, blah, blah, blah, and all that bullshit. But like in be honest, is there a part that either of you are just a little like, what if we did this on the show? Like what if we stuck around? What if we met on the show? Were you a little disappointed? You didn't see it through or not? - I don't think so. - I don't know if you would have made it or were on the show. - Why is that? - Such a pressure cookers like situation. I think you, I think that's what you kind of buy in too if you buy into the experiment. But everything is just so streamlined and fast. And I know it's so hard like thinks through things like very purposefully. And like her actions are like incredibly, I don't wanna say like pre planned, but like she's like thinks things through and like she makes her decisions with like a lot of purpose. So I might have bought into it a little more but like I just could have seen it working. Like that scenario is such like a high price situation and you skip so many steps, you speed through them. So like we've talked about it and we're like, I don't know if we would have made it if we actually met on the show. - Interesting. - That's okay. - But that's us. And yeah, this is me forever when it goes in the show. But like for the two of us, I don't know. - And now y'all are living together and raising a dog, is that right? - Yes. - And where is she? - Yeah. - Who's the girl? Come say hi. - Say hi. - So did you all get her together or was she one of y'alls before? - So actually it's really funny. One of the first things to her told me was, because she became an orthodontist 'cause she wanted to buy a dog when she was like 18. - Like 14. - 14 and she got a job at a dental practice. And it stuck with me. So I always knew she wanted a dog and this is her dream dog. And now my dream dog. (laughing) - Oh my God. - And so when you guys, like after the first couple of days where you guys are immediately boyfriend and girlfriend, did you guys go through like friends with benefits, a situationship phase for a while? Like how quickly did things escalate? - I would say he definitely loved bombed me. - For sure. I learned on the show from, I think it was in Neha that love bombings actually a bad thing. I didn't know it was like a negative conversation. She was like, that's a bad thing Tucker. I was like, oh, okay. - You're like, I love bombing you. I'm love bombing you. - We're joking, right? Like we didn't-- - I definitely like try to push him away a little bit in the beginning. Like for like weeks. - And now is that your toxic side or like what was the reason? - Well, I just was like, we should take this a little bit more slowly. Like I don't need to see you every other night. Like it's fine, we came back three days for Valentine's Day. So it was like we were meeting like Valentine's Day, it was like three days after we first met and then we were kind of seeing each other a lot and I was like, okay, well. - And then he got me flowers for Valentine's Day and I was like, is this too much? Like am I getting love on right now? But then he kept doing cute stuff like that for like a year and a half. So I was like, all right, he can stay. - Maybe this is just him. - Yeah, maybe he just likes me. - Yeah, how about that? - And then I think, I don't even know if I'm allowed to like, disclose this, but he'd drop the album like the night of like the meetup, which like I wasn't at, but he was at and like. - Which meetup? - Like the, like the went like the team. - Like back in Boston. - Oh, okay. - And you were like telling everyone guys, I think I love Sahara. - No, he told me. - I was in the bathroom. I called her illegally from the bathroom and I think I was there. I love you by, and I walk out like, I think I just told Sahara looked. Were you drunk? - Oh yeah. (laughing) - But anyway, so like it took a long time for me, 'cause he was like so steps ahead like way before I was and I was like, like this is, I'm very logical. Like we're not doing this this quickly. I'm not falling for this, but like he was very persistent for a very long time. - And I imagine like to your point Sahara, there's a level of fantasy with this show and things like that. So do you feel like your reservations will more just like, I want this to be authentic and I don't want this to be almost like a residual effect of us coming off this pressure cookover show that really kind of encourages feelings and things like that, often of which we realize is a bit authentic and authentic after the dust settles. - Yeah, we were like, is this a trauma bond? Like do we need to go to therapy? And then we actually did start therapy because we wanted to like just figure us out outside of like the scope of this show. And we were like, we have this like very private time right now to like figure out if this is actually gonna work and if like this is something that can you know, make it. And we wanted to do that like before like the craziness of the show coming out and all that stuff. And that was such a good experience. Like we loved our therapist. - Who asked who to move in? - It was kind of like my lease was running out. So it was like kind of like, okay, we've been dating for what over year at that point. - Yeah. - And but we didn't want it to be like, okay, Tucker's lease is running out. Like I'm just gonna move in because like it's the easiest thing. So we did talk about it in a good amount. Like made sure it was like the right time and that we weren't just doing it 'cause like the situation necessitated it. And we showed a conversation and kind of worked out. Yeah, into her place. - Yeah, that's great. - And how's it been watching the show back? - Weird. - Yeah, it's definitely strange. Like it's definitely strange watching like the other connections that like you had at the time and how differently you feel now and it just is like so but we love it. It's like we're friends with everyone and we're like rooting for everyone. - Yeah, what did you guys forget their names? But the couple where they got engaged and then the young lady quickly pieced out and left. - Oh, Jackson's too. - Yeah. - Yeah, what do you think of that dynamic? Do you feel like she owed him the goodbye or are not so much? - I think like they only showed some of that. Like I don't think that like we're seeing everything of what I actually know. Like we're not seeing everything that happened and I don't know how much I'm about to say about it. So I'm not gonna say anything about it. But I think like Jackson's getting heat for like not the right reasons. Like I, she's such a sweetheart. - There's more to the story. - They're both great. They're both so great and Jackson specifically is like one of the most badass, like sweetest kindness people I've ever met in my life and it sucks to see her get this heat for like just a small snippet of like a big story that they're only, that like people will only see a part of. - Yeah. Who else once you met them in person was the most surprising in terms of how they looked versus what you thought they might be? It's a good question. - So like when you went home, all the guys in the lounge were like, these girls are gonna be so pissed when they see a modern person. Like he's like this, like six, five, eight pack, like guy. But you know, like he's interest. Like I think once again, like you wouldn't typically paint like a cosplayer as like this like large dude with like dreads and like a ripped eight pack. Like he went home where like we're all screwed. Cause like if they're sending him home that like at this point, like what are we supposed to do here? So like I think I was, I bet the girls were a little surprised and they saw him in person. But like from my point of view, I'm not sure. And Neha was like kind of like exactly what I thought. But Neha was like pretty much on like it. Cara's way more. - But Neha was kind of cheating. - But Neha was telling everyone exactly what she was. - She was, I think yeah, she's and she is a sweetheart too. We honestly have a good relationship with virtually every single person in the season. And it's really nice cause like I get to like hang out with way more of the girls just cause them with so far so often and like they're over here. Cara actually lived with us for like three months. - Yeah, that was a fun period where I told everyone that I was living with my roommate and her ex. - Yeah. - Cara's, I mean just like as you reflect, what did you guys learn about yourselves when it comes to dating and relationships? Because like that's what we love about the show. Because you know I don't think love is blind but it's just, it is an interesting experiment to you know to your points of heart. Like how do we receive information and evaluate the people across from us knowing that like looks matter. But like we all hear the same clichés. Like looks fade and over time you have to build so much. Like what did you guys learn about yourselves in terms of how you show up in relationships by doing the show? - That's a really good question. - I think I hate to say this but I knew that love wasn't blind and I went on this show to get proven wrong. Like I was like, you know what? Like let's see if like this is what will like be the thing that finds me the person I'm looking for. But I really like, I was so honest with like the casting producers when they asked me. I was like I, they're like why are you going on the show and I was like I don't think love is blind and I really want to be proven wrong. - Okay. - And I unfortunately was not proven wrong. But like fortunately it gave me someone like very, very sweet. But I do think that it made me a lot more like flexible as a person. I think like we Northeasterners are so type A like me specifically. I'm just very much like this is like what I want. This is how I want it. Like this is how it's going to go down. And then I think like once the love that I felt for Tucker like came into the mix. I was like, oh my God, I'm like so smitten and like it made me just so much softer and like so much more flexible. - I love that. That's great. So do we feel like they're, I mean we're living together. We have a dog together. Like we got to get married. - How are you? - Yeah, except. - I think stuff. I think we've got. So I think. - Did my mom ask you that? - Yeah. - She sent in a question. - Her Persian parents like you gave me a dog before a green child. I think that we were really really waiting for the show. Come out to kind of like have this like next chapter. 'Cause we wanted, you know, we like living in this weird phase where it's like, yeah, like our close friends and family like kind of knew our story. But it's kind of like a lot of the way we met and everything was kind of hush hush. So we really wanted to get to this point, like get the show coming out behind us. And then just like keep continuing, I think down the path that we've been going on. So, but I mean, I love this girl a lot. And we obviously brought this dog into the world with us and we're excited to kind of. - We birthed this dog, and the dog needs both parents, you know? - Yes, yes, it loves both of us. So we're excited to just keep continuing to grow a relationship together and see what comes next. - This is my first time living with someone too. - Oh, right. - I'm listening a lot about myself, about living with a man, patients, and patients, yeah. But it's my fault. - What are some of the pet peeves you guys have learned about each other that you've learned to accept, because overall that you guys are in love? - One thing I've learned a lot, so hard is just like a really hard worker and her job can be very stressful at times. So it's like giving some grace when she comes home, like dealing with, you know, patients and everything and just understanding that, like if I left a bunch of dishes in the sink, which happens frequently or I've got like, you know, laundry just sitting in there that's like smelly because I didn't move to the dryer. It's like, she needs a little time to debrief and like, she's just like, had a rough day. Like our, our, our, our like careers are very different. Like, I'm in tech and she's like an orthodontist. So like, it's like understanding like, she's a little time to like debrief and just 'cause she's had a rough day and it's like not taking it out of me. I'm just like, yeah, I need to give like grace and understand that like people have different nine to fives and there's like a cooling off period and I want to be like the person you can help, like alleviate that at the end of the day and not like hold their, like take it out on her think that she's just taking it out of me for no reason. That's one of them. Yeah, such a nice answer. I was gonna say like, I hate when he leaves the cabinets. Same. Yeah. No, my dresser, when she would come to my place, my dresser like three out of four drawers would be open. I'm a tornado. I'm going to ask for a tornado. No, like literally it's hurricane Tucker. I would fold the clothes after the dryer but like they would just sit in my room for a while. What is it about us boys that like just don't know how to put things back? I don't know. Now the newest thing is, so I made him, I didn't meet him. He is going through and visiting line treatment with me and he, I like prescribed rubber bands and elastics to him and like it was the worst decision I've ever made because I see his with the line trays and his elastics all over the house and I'm like, I think I'm gonna have to like fire you for that. You're like, you know what, his teeth weren't that bad. It's not worth it. You know what, my under bite was out of it. control and it's kind of a lot better. But yeah. Shout out to the orange. Her assistant one day just called me. She's like, Hey, Dr. Sahara told me to call you about invisaline treatment. And I'm texting her. I'm like, so am I. I'm doing a visal line. You can't see it in order to like, Hey, not a good look for me. What is, uh, well, my next question is, uh, do you floss and, uh, has it improved as a result of who your partner is? One million percent. I've got an electric flosser now. I've got a, like, a state of the electric toothbrush. I've got a, like, invisaline, like, cleaning thing in my fostering. I'm, I'm like six days a week at this point. And I'm from like a couple of times a month. That is next level. That's good. And what do you feel like Sahara's picked up because of you? One of the things we touched on in the pause is interesting to me is like, I love music. Um, my testable photos have gotten some attention when they dropped the cast list. But like, I love music. I love live events. I'm, I'm a pretty social person. Um, I love sports too. So she told me in the pods, like, she hasn't like concerts. She doesn't love concerts. Um, and she's kind of a homebody. And I think she's enjoyed being with someone who is a bit more, like, extroverted and outgoing. Um, we went to the Rufus Soul Concert of Fenway. I'm from Vermont, went to the Noah Con concert. And I think you said that that was like one of the highlights of the summer by far. Like, it was unbelievable. And like, I had more fun being there with her and just seeing her like smiling the whole time and like loving this environment that she said she didn't really enjoy that much before. Um, um, that golf is the next one and skiing. Oh my God. So I'm a big skier. I grip skiing. Um, my grandfather built a skier in Vermont. So, um, we got out a few times last year, like my family when we visited them. And, um, she's really excited to get back into it this year. So I think pushing out of her comfort zone and some of those things like socially, I would agree 100%. That's awesome. I'm going back to the pods. I'm just curious. Is there? What was like the, you know, just like the kind of behind the scenes, just like the weirdness of being in that kind of environment? Like, what was something that maybe just being in the pods is kind of you were surprised at in terms of just the experience, whether it was just like the food that they served or just like this, the kind of the nitty gritty behind the scenes of, of the experience. I honestly had such a good experience. I thought like I felt so well taking care of and like cared for by production and like everyone and like when I left, even though I had like a few crying sessions, like solo crying sessions, I, like people would like come up to me from production and be like, are you okay? Like, do you need to talk? Do you need like a breather? And I was like, oh my God, like I feel like I'm in like good hands here. That was like really surprising to me. I really did not expect that. I thought the pods were really comfortable. Actually, it was really funny. Sahara and I were both each other's first dates on the show. So yeah, we walked in. She was wooing. I heard, woo. And I walked in, but I thought they were just really comfortable. Like, it's weird. It's a weird thing being in there and you have a moving screen in front of you. And like, I kind of like miss having conversations in there. I don't know. I know. I was like, I was telling, I think my producer at the time in like one of the interviews, he was like, how do you like dating in the pods? And I was like, I legitimately don't mean I can go back to dating in the real world. I love that I'm on a couch with a drink in hand. I don't have to worry about what I look like, like, except for the millions of people who watch it on Netflix. But like in the moment, but isn't that interesting? You're less, you're less self-conscious, right? Yeah. And you felt like it did feel like there's more of a freedom just to relax and just talk. Yeah. I remember because I set out the first round. So like I like all the guys went in for like, I think we both did for like four rounds of dates, like we were all out and I come back. How is it? How is it? And they're all like, the girls are so cool. They're so easy to talk to. And, you know, they picked 30 people who can talk to a wall. It's kind of a prerequisite because that's literally what you do. And it's just so easy and comfortable. Like I, it was like a weirdly, like a safe space because, you know, it's a short and timeline. You need to be open if it's ever going to work. So it was way more comfortable than I thought it was going to be. Yeah. I was shocked, but not that shocked that I knew. Like, when I went into it, I was like, there's got to be someone on that other side that I've like dated before or seen or know of. Like boss is not that big of a city. And I was like sitting on, I think it was like my third date or something. And I was like giving my feel of like, who I am. And the guy on the other side was like, oh, I think I know you. Like, I think I was at your house to like fix your TV. Still broken, by the way. It turned out like being a guy that I like went on like a few dates with. It was, it was one of the guys, Michael, that I had like gone on three dates with like two, like a year and a half prior. And like the moment that happened, like production just like stopped all the dates. And like one of the producers came into the room and was like, hey, like if you want to date him, you can date him, but he just can't be in here. And like day, then you have to like not say anything to anybody else about who he is. Like what you know about him. And I was like, okay, like, well, we already tried the real estate. So that's fine. We don't have to date. But it's radio show. Yeah. But he's such a nice guy like we're still friends. Well, that's essentially here because I've always loved this about the show. I like that they call it an experiment, right? Because that's really what it is. And I love that that allows them to keep the authenticity of the experiment into their point where it's like, listen, if you want to do it, but like you have to do it outside of here because it would ruin the experiment not only for you guys, but for everyone. I love, I love how they do that. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is so much fun, guys. I'm so happy for you. And you look great together, by the way. Like, you know what I'm saying? It feels like it's a real great match. Thank you. Yeah. She's checking the boxes with like everything I was looking for for sure. I would love to know who you're most excited about us to see, but that would probably give things away. I honestly like all of them. Okay. I'm excited for like they all are such great people. And yeah, you just got to like make it to the end. Boston really does feel like an up from Ohio. It's I think what we're excited for is from like here on out. Like as we were both in the pods, we've heard both sides of like the getaways and then back in Boston from like the guys and the girls, but we don't really know exactly what happened with all of them. So I know like this, these next like drops are going to be things that like, no one really knows for sure what happened. And that's where I think we're going to have the hardest time watching when we're like, like looking between our fingers, like, oh my god, I can't believe this is what happened. So like we have no idea. Like we've heard two sides of the story and we're going to put everything together. You're ready to hear the truth now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like it was lying to us. Yeah. That's incredible. Well, Tucker and so hard. Thank you for taking the time. We're very happy for you. And yeah, I mean, you guys found love and you went on a show to do it and you didn't have to and you didn't need it. And like I said, like the fans love this stuff. Like they love because at the end of the day, the show is about finding love and that's what you guys did. And, and it's always fun to hear people's unique stories and, you know, how things misconnections and connections and it's for the shout out LinkedIn. Yeah. Seriously, it's become a social media app nowadays anyway. Actually, I have to say before we go that I'm so lucky I made that LinkedIn literally a month prior because I had just bought my practice and I was like, I have to open a LinkedIn so that like I look professional. And like it came in handy for something completely unexpected, but I'm sure that that's great. Thank you. Thanks so much. Yeah. Thank you. Cool. Thanks for taking the time. It's, yeah, you guys are great to talk to and it's not shocking to see why you guys found each other. Thank you. We're very happy for you guys. Good luck in the future. And hopefully there's a wedding and engagement. If you guys get engaged, please come back on and tell us that story. We will. Thank you so much. Take care. Well, that's a luck. Bye. Bye guys. Bye. Isaiah J welcome back to the show, buddy. How you doing? Listen, I'm happy to be here. I'm having to be back. We loved having you on the first side. Obviously, if, I mean, if you guys are listening, many of you are all of you know who Isaiah J is, but if not, he obviously has some hilarious commentary floating around on, lied and, and since love is blind is back in full force and the first batch of episodes are out. We thought Isaiah would be perfect to bring back to give us his thoughts, feelings and concerns. Listen, we embossed in, we embossed into the tea party. Let's talk about the tea. Let's do it. Okay. So overall, what are your takes? My takes are I, I don't even know if I'm rooting for anybody this season because it's, it's kind of crazy to me. Like, I think, I think one thing I don't appreciate is people, I feel like people are giving off what they look like already. Beneath shooting. Beneath is she like, we, she's giving up like, I'm bad. Like, you need to pick me immediately. Like, regardless of how you may feel about my personality, I look good. So you should be, you know, let's do. Yeah. I'm very tall. I have a great smile. And they're all wrong. Like, no, they definitely is definitely a flag on the plate for sure. And then even with like the whole, like Travis Kelsey situation, like, I think he was trying to figure out if she was black or not because him and Kelly and Nicole have not been together for a long time. So I'm like, for you to be like, yeah, we can be Travis Kelsey and Kelly and Nicole, I think it's definitely Halloween. It's kind of like, how will we be that unless we are the national, some kind of like, I was like, yeah, so we're, you're trying to figure this out. And I'm like, you can't do that. That's cheating. Yeah, there is some definitely. I have one couple that I do that I am rooting for it. And I do think that they are a John. No, no, it's Erica and Blake. Oh, I like them. I like Erica and Blake. I just feel like him being Jack Sparrow is going to be a problem because if she doesn't want to be Ariel, like she doesn't want to be the little mermaid at sea, it's going to be an issue because how are you want to see? I will say to Isaiah at this point, he's had - To pitch it way too much. - Yes. - To the point where it's like, it's a non-negotiable for him. - Yeah, he's telling you, like, I'm going to, like, unless you can swim, hope you can swim, like, 'cause we're at sea, and I hope you're ready to bring a spend-of-night back for about two weeks. - Yeah, 'cause he's always, like, he's always, like, listen. - He's like, I hope you brought your bracelet that makes you not get seasick. - Yeah. - So we're gonna be on the boat for a long time. - Non-negotiable. - You know, and then when people are, when they ask those questions and then they joke, but, like, you're not sure if they're joking, he's, like, yeah, so then all this be, like, gone for a whole week, and then if we have kids, it's, like, y'all definitely just be more gone. It's like, I'm joking, but this is, like, are you definitely joking? - Yeah. - And you can't really complain about that, either, because, like, I'm telling you, upfront. - Yeah, exactly, he is. - She's, like, oh, I thought that was a joke. He's, like, no, I told you, I was gonna be gone more when the kids were born, and I'll come back when they're ready to play with me. - Exactly, that's so real. - I don't think he may fall for Benita when he sees her in person. No, that's my only issue with Blake, because I feel like he wants, like, the baddie aesthetic and Erica's a little older. But, um, I think that he may fall for her, which is gonna make everybody hate him, who I was reading for was Rob and Makayla. I feel like it could work, but also I'm a little nervous, too. 'Cause I feel like she may like him more than he likes her. - Yeah. - I feel like that's kind of with, I feel like all the couples, I'm kind of worried for that. Except for John. - You think Makayla likes Rob more or Rob likes Makayla more, sorry. - I think Makayla likes Rob more. - Okay. - But, like, um, like you was saying, I think, like you said, the women like the men more in the show. I think this year, it's kind of getting me. - It does feel like that, but I kind of, this is, like, the not-loves blind take, 'cause I'm judging their looks. But I kind of think the women are more beautiful than the men, but I also kind of agree that I feel like the women are more into the guys than the guys are into them. - I am curious if we're gonna get one season, a woman proposing. - I think we almost did. - Well, they're always waiting. - Oh yeah, we'll need you. - Jeez. - Did you guys notice that it seemed like, 'cause I noticed at the first time, but I think it was kind of a theme, that they're not getting down on one knee in the pod. They're waiting to get down on one knee when they meet each other in person. And I thought that was just like a creative choice by one of the couples. But I feel like I've seen that with most of the couples, and I wonder if that's like a new thing they're telling them to do. I kind of, it makes a lot more sense. Like the whole like getting down on one knee behind a wall was always like, "Because I can't see you." - Yeah, it's kind of weird. - It is kind of stewed up. - Yeah. - Maybe they have bad knees. Maybe they can't do it multiple times. - The cast is getting older, but when I get it, I feel it. Okay, I need to know how you feel about stew and jacks, and that also makes sense. - So I just feel like when she said that he looked like Mitt Romney, she was omitting to saying that she was leaving. Like it was kind of like a, "I don't want to do this." And I think for me, she could have just said it. Like it was very awkward. And he, I feel like they're both shallow. Like they're both Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper. Like it's very shallow of them. Like both of them are perfect for each other, the perfect match. But I think at some point you have to, she could have gave him the respect of like, "Yeah, I don't want to be with you." Like, or whether she wants to run off with the ring or not. But also, he was in shock that she did not want him. Did you see that? He was like, "Are you sure like, did she give me her number? Like, are you sure? Like are we still engaged?" Like, "No, she left you, sir." Like, how's the use gone? - How's the use needed, put it in your face. Like, I don't know. He don't look like me Romney to me. Do y'all think so? - No. - No, I had to, I had to Google to be like, am I remembering Mitt Romney right? Like maybe when he was younger, I don't know. - He looks like an actor. I can't place his name. I wonder, I think he's maybe in the Princess Diaries. I think I know who you're talking about. - He was definitely in the movie, a man who knew too little with Bill Murray. It's a random, but I know he was in that movie. - Yeah, he's a little animated to me. - Oh, Peter Gallagher? - Yes, he was a Peter Gallagher. - Oh my God, Peter Gallagher. - Peter Gallagher. - That's the one. - Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, he does. - Yeah, I was just confused on, like, I know they were saying, I know she probably said me Romney because of the whole Kennedy thing, but I didn't see Nate at all. I was like, this is, but she didn't want me. - Well, the way I will say, he made it easy for her to say something mean because the way he was like, they think I look like a Kennedy. And it's like, bro, no, you don't. It, you know, it's like, it was, he was cocky about it in a way that made you want him to be put into his place and she was more than happy to do it. - Yeah. - It's a lot of audacity this season though. Like, you were saying, like, everybody's lying about their looks. Like, even with, like, I haven't seen this much lying since the Megafox situation. Like, it's the Megafox trot situation. I'm like, it's a lot going on. Like, why are we lying? Because we have to see you eventually. - Yeah. - Play it down. Honestly, I would, I would play it down. I would, I would sandbag the hell out of them and then come out of bombshell. I'd be like, you're not going to like this. And then surprise me. - How do you guys feel about life coaches? Like, I'm pro therapy. I think if someone you're dating is like, yeah, I do therapy. I think that's a big green flag. Do you guys feel the same way about life coaches? - Like, they have one or they are one. - They have one. - I think it depends on the life coach. Like Kayla, she's like, yeah, I got a life coach like three or four years ago kind of changed my life. You know, she's a very high pay person now, I think. It was, you know, and I would just be like, I would be like, well, I guess I need to meet this life coach. I would need to meet the person who's like driving your decision-making skills. And like, are they going to like me? - Yeah. - Is it like meeting the parents, a life coach? It feels so heavy. - It feels heavy. I'm not mad at a life coach because I feel like, if you're trying to better yourself somehow, cool. You know what I'm saying now, if the life coach is like, basically your husband and taking my job, then I think that's where the issue is. So like you said, I will have to meet him because who are you? - Mm-hmm. - And you're making all my decisions. - We just driving this shit. Do you want the ring? Like, that's what it's giving me. - We got to talk about the gifts that, that, like, Michaela and Rob gave each other. 'Cause I feel like it is so, like, so typical of couples. Rob gave her a big giant bouquet of flowers and assuming she likes flowers. - And his bracelet. - What a nice gift. - The bracelet was really sweet, I thought. - Yeah, it was like, here's a gift. And I'm gonna give you a gift that I think you will enjoy. Easy, easy, peasy, you're done. She gives them a box of stuff that, like-- - I treasure this. - She thinks of like, and I feel like a lot of times in relationships, ladies will sometimes make the mistakes of giving their male partners what they think they need, or, like, homework. - Like, give more examples. What are some things you've received? (laughing) - Well, not from you, sweetheart. (laughing) - No, I don't want an example of an amazing gift is lastly-- - No, no, we know the amazing gifts, but what, you're critiquing the bad gifts, so what are the bad gifts? - I'm not critiquing your gifts. - Just in life, have you gotten any gifts that are bad? - Yeah, I don't know, like a pillowcase or something. I don't know. I don't remember, I just, like, it was something. You've gotten a pillowcase or a gift? - I don't know. - I feel like that's a lie. I feel like you now don't have any-- It's like when someone says, it's like when someone says, you always say this about, or you always do this, like, name three examples. Give me three. No one ever can. You know, like, when you're arguing with someone. - I just think, if, I just think in general, not to stereotype, but, like, the ladies aren't often as good as giving gifts as they think they are. - Hmm, hot take. - With their male partners. - I think this was the perfect environment for her to give this gift. I don't think she would give-- - She gave him seeds. - I don't think she would have given this gift for his birthday had they been together for three years. She was like, here's a box of things that, like, you will, like, bond with me. This is, like, some things about me. Like, I wouldn't-- - Yeah, it was about her. That was kind of my point. I think sometimes those, like, your gift to me that's headset wasn't about me. It was, it wasn't about you. It was about me. And it was this act of love knowing that I would enjoy it. And knowing that you probably wouldn't enjoy it, but you gave it to me anyways, 'cause you knew it would make me happy. That's what makes an amazing gift. You guys know how to receive the amazing gifts, but when you're giving the gifts-- - What are some examples of those gifts? The bad ones. - It was be like, hey, I noticed you needed this thing, and it wasn't even on your radar. So I got it for you because I think you need this. - Like, what? - I don't know. It's been so long since I've been in love with anyone else. - Like, somebody who dresses bad and then somebody, like, buys them new clothes and they're like, hey, like-- - Yeah. - You've got an answer. - Here's a shirt and some tailored pants that are like completely opposite of each other. - Like that's a nice gesture, but it's like not something that they're gonna be like, oh my God, I've been dying for this. This makes me so happy, thank you, for the giant bouquet of flowers. - That's a good example. - Yeah, but wait. - I'm just thinking, thinking, you know. - No, since we talking about the dressing now, can we talk about Cam and how are you gonna-- Is it a Neha? - A Neha. - A Neha. - She's that build-of-bear workshop, okay? So like, she-- - That was crazy. - So does she say? - Cam, she's like haircut, gone, earring now. Like-- - I felt bad for him. I'm gonna mold you. - Yeah, like accept the final or change the channel. Like literally like-- - Oh, he's a handsome guy, handsome. - And also, here's, okay, I will, I'm not gonna name names, but I will say, I just was with somebody who recently talked about, like falling in love with somebody that didn't have the aesthetic that she wanted. And she was like, I have always gone for like the bad boy, like really cool dress, whatever. And so she was like, you can untame, I don't, I forget what it was. So you can, you can liven up somebody that's like a little bit square. Keep that shit to yourself. Slowly. - Yeah. - What is it called? - Slowly. - Psychological warfare then. - Can we open it? - Yes, the girlfriend glow up. Just sneak it in to the gifts as we were saying. Give it as a gift. (laughing) - And just slowly make this a little beard as a gift. - Yes, as a gift. - Steal his resource. - No, but yes, you're right. It needs to be, it needs to happen slowly over time. When Nally met me, I was wearing a black shirt. skinny jeans. Look at you now. You know, week one, she wasn't like blasting me for my not even week one the first five minutes in which she has seen this. She's giving a phone out of her. And she's like, I'm going to mold you. Yeah. Yeah. And it clearly stuck with him because we saw in Mexico. She said something to him. Oh, about his eyes. Like, oh, you have green eyes. And he's like, you want me to pierce them? Or like, yeah, like, now I feel like I can't do anything. I'm walking on it. She is like, she'd even try and get into like the flannel. Like, at least see if you can like, maybe get into it. Play tic-tac-toe on the box. It's like, get trying to get into it a little bit. She was like, no, like, I don't like this. And I don't like this. I'm like, well, you don't like me. Like, let's not, so they're not going to work personally to me. Like, they're, they can hang that up for it, isn't it? I think, I know. But she was also quite young. I thought, right? Isn't she like 26 or something? Yeah, she's 28. She's 28. 28. Okay. And I do feel like he's, he's 29. So, yeah. Oh, yeah. Not that young. But I, yeah. Well, they do give very different age vibes though. Yeah. They're your apart. Yeah. It was like very young. And I think there was a time I was after I saw that moment where she was like picking him apart. And then later, she was like, yeah, I'm like, totally ready to get married. And I was like, I don't believe that for one second. And it's not even that she doesn't believe it. I was just like, the way she said that, I was like, I don't think you even know what that means. Because the way she responded, it was just very like, yeah, of course. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. I'm here. I'm here. So, of course, I need to get into Mory. And I need to get into Mory because this man is very interesting to me. All and like, I think it was his conversation with, it was Sarah where he was talking about masculinity. Yes. He's talking about like being in Whole Foods. And like, you see a guy in a in a pastel shirt and flip flops. And then me and my running shoes and my hoodie and a robber comes in. Who do you want to protect you? Who's going to jump in? It's like, this is the most bat shit scenario I've ever heard. Like a robber would look at sandals and footwear on who'd arrive. Right. I would actually go after the one with footwear. Yeah. Let's judge about glass. There's some very dangerous men out there who might wear a flip flop or two. It just keeps wanting to fight everyone. I'm just so confused. Yeah. I do think that Sarah clocked. Honestly, I think she clocked him in a beautiful way. I thought, like, and I do, I do appreciate, I appreciate that whole conversation because he was willing to kind of show this kind of, you know, stunted type of thought process in terms of male masculinity. But he, he didn't know way that he was recognizing that maybe this isn't the way type of thing, you know. And I love how Sarah very gently having to incorporate the passing of his father. You know, it's just like, I'm not trying to talk shit here because obviously he is, you know, your idol as he should be. But hey, listen, like, sometimes their parents don't teach us everything that's correct. And sometimes we have to, you know, learn about things outside of what we learn in our home. And I thought that was a really great conversation because I do think there was a lot of guys like Mori out there, right? And, you know, like we can't just say fuck them all and tell them that they're all just toxic and bad and horrible. Like we want someone like Mori who's like, you know, and it ended with him being like, you know what, maybe, maybe I'm not there yet. Maybe I have some growing up to do. Maybe I'm not at, you know, I'm not ready for this final phase in life, which is to like focus on a relationship and marriage. But like I want to get there. And I honestly appreciated it. I respect it. But that's why Benita confused me because nothing that Mori was saying would make me want to fall in love. Like she was so in love with this man in two seconds. And I was so lost at Benita Appalbaum. I was like, why? How do you love him? Like it's no way. Even I don't like the whole like, I know you want me. Like I know you love me. Like do I? Like what you know that? I don't know. Can you see the future? Like how do you know this thing? So I was like, he got to go and I feel like Sarah did dodge the bullet, but she ran into another one with John. Yeah. Yeah. Who is she with now? She's with John. John Superman, right? Yeah. The one that's against everything. We don't like John. People are not loving on the internet that she has to in a way teach him. I guess about her views and beliefs. But what do we, how do we feel? Is that more of a learning opportunity? I thought that was, first of all, I appreciate that conversation only because those two people have balls to sit there and talk about abortion and talk about vaccines. No doubt that conversation was probably like an hour long. And they trusted editors to edit that shit. Like first of all, that's just like crazy behavior to be willing to talk about these divisive topics in a way that you have no control over. Yeah. Yeah. But like, yeah, I it was a it was a respectful conversation of two people who came from different positions. A lot to the truth is, right or wrong, a lot of people relate to John's experience. And he explained it in a way that wasn't like, this is my point of view. I'm not, I don't even know if I'm right. I don't know if I'm wrong. It's just how I feel in this moment. And I just thought that was like what and I what I loved that he said, I'm glad I was able to have this type of conversation with someone like you because, you know, this is the world we live in. And this is the shit that people care about. And you do have to be able to talk through things. And so for, you know, I did think I did think it was a respectful conversation. But I think where for me watching, he gives the example of like an 11 year old girl who is raped and then is like, you know, we'll, you know, of course, in that scenario. And then she is like, well, I kind of hate that example because it's always the extreme that people are using. And then he goes, yeah, I hate that example too. So I think that that was the part that maybe was rubbing people the wrong way because it was like, oh, you're basically like doing something. And then you, you like this woman. And then she's like, oh, I actually don't like that. And then he kind of just piggybacks. So, but I appreciate, but I did appreciate that they were both like ultimately respectful because I think that so many times those conversations become volatile. But it was nice to see an example of two different maybe perspectives. And people come into common ground. But it was the walk back that was like, oh, like, do you actually have a backbone or do you? Are you just going with what she says? I didn't feel like it was a walk back. I felt like it was that's an example that everyone uses to like talk about this topic. Right. It's horrible example. It's used all the time. And I think he said it. And then she was like, I actually like, I hate that thing. He's like, I hate it too. Like I actually hate it too. But it was like the first thing that I don't think he was like, oh, if you hate it, then I also hate it. I think it was just that's what everyone always says when discussing this topic. But also like, I don't see it as a walk back because most of the time when these kind of conversations happen about these device of topics, most people say things that are completely inaccurate. And they speak as if they're fucking experts. Right. And then they talk. And then they're five minutes into the conversation yelling at each other. Because the other person doesn't like have the fucking like, you know, the talk track that they have. So to have this conversation knowing it's divisive and polarizing and sensitive, I think it's just, I got the vibe from John that like he was just recognizing like, let's talk about it. But I'm not trying to tell you you're wrong. And I'm right. And like, I know better than you. It's just like, I am open to having, I'm open to learning. I'm open to hearing what you think and feel. And I think he was bringing that energy, which honestly, I didn't see that as walking back because he was more interested in like getting on the same page with her rather than being right. I do think it was probably one of the more real or conversations on the show. I felt like everybody else was just talking about everything else. I'm like, this is probably the first real conversation I feel like they had. How do you feel about him saying that he had MS? I mean, I don't know what it's like to experience, obviously a diagnosis like that. But they were basically saying that with him saying that because I feel like you're supposed to say what you have. Like I don't like I feel like he said it too late. Yeah, but they're saying it. Yeah, it's saying like they were saying that he said it too late. And it's like we're already tapped in. That's not for people to say true. I also think we don't really have context as to when it was actually. They do flip it because you're out of that too. But also, yeah, to y'all's point, we don't, this isn't time stamp. Like every day they mix up everyone's dating and like there's someone who gets engaged in the first episode that didn't actually happen in the first day. Like obviously, they're just editing it down to give you something to watch. He could let us, he could have said in the first five minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you're, what are regardless of the heavy information, whatever it is, I have MS. I'm a single parent, whatever it is. Like if you're dating in just in the real world, like you don't want to, like that's not, you're not entitled to give this information. Then you have what you're making confessions on every first day. Like you have the right to see if you like someone. And if this person is worthy of like you having to open up and be vulnerable and then certainly get asked a bunch of questions about like how you might move is a result of this thing that you're self conscious about. There's so many things when you're meeting someone of the things that might come up that makes you go, I'm not it. I'm not an in this person. And it often is not something is like, you know, it's not any baggage or something we have to bring in the relationship. It's just like, I just like, I don't know. I don't like how they smell. So I he gets to bring it up whenever he wants. It's new to him. It sounds like it sounds like he's still dealing with it, right? And it sounds like he's still processing and how it's going to be something involved in his life. And we also don't know when and how much they actually talked about. I agree. Yeah. They, they were attacking me for or that, I was just like, y'all can't really like, at least he said it, like I think it would be different if they got engaged and he said afterwards, like, no, like, you know, they're not, like, at least he did say it. So it was on me, I think they're just on my job, honestly. - He also felt way more comfortable too once she explained that her brother and law was blind and how he deals with it and how her sister and her deal, like, you know, with just him having no shame around it, not wanting to be pityed. So I think he felt more comfortable telling her after that as well. - Yeah. - He's like, she's the one, 'cause she just gets it. - I do have a question though, 'cause I think, I think it, like, brings to a broader dating question. I was really shocked when Melanie ghosted Wilson. I actually thought that was kind of shitty. I was like, I feel like she should have gone in and had her last date and been like, hey, I don't think this is for me. Like, they were kind of getting close to the end, it felt like. - Yeah. - Yeah. - She said, I didn't want to. I just think it's easier to not say anything. - Yeah, easier to not say anything. I'm like, that is, I mean, I'm like, - That's definitely easier. - I'm glad you left, then, because you're not ready for a relationship if you're not gonna talk to your partner. - Well, it's actually crazy. I feel like he would have picked her over Wilny, because she was like, she's very hard. Like, I think Melanie was very soft and more reasonable. Wilny was not like, she, she will need help. - She was like, she's gonna need help, like, honestly. Like, just, and during her already, ready to propose, like, before he could do it, like, can you wait? Like, just relax her quick. - Yeah. - Her even, like, touching his butt and then her, her making him touch hers. Like, can we get there? Like, why are we skipping steps? Like, can you just got the ring? So I think that was the whole thing too. And then I'm nervous about the refrigerator. I'm not even gonna lie to you. - Your refrigerator? - In the preview. - I'm very nervous about. - In the preview, it looks like a murder scene. - Yeah. - From her? - Yeah. - And I think that's her refrigerator. - Okay. - And it's snowing. Ring all. - Ring all. - Give it back. - Though it actually. - Yeah, get it out the door. - I don't like that. I'm nervous. I'm trying to wait for it to come on, 'cause maybe it's context. With that, it's crazy. No, shake. - Also, do we think it was Wilnie's place to say that Melanie left? - No. - On the Wilnie and Wilson of it all, when she said she would convert him to wearing his outside clothes in the bed. Girl, I'm disgusted. - Yeah. - First of all, why? Why do you want the pants that you sat on the bus stop with that four million other people have sat on and then you sat in the booth in the restaurant? Like, why do you want that? Where you're sleeping? - True. - That's why I'm convinced that's her refrigerator. - Yeah. - I'm really convinced. Like, I'm trying to wait for the rest of the episodes, but I feel like that is her refrigerator and I'm actually scared. - You're sending me. I don't even see it. I need to go look now. - Is epic. - Well, I do want to say something. Nice about her. There's a conversation when she was just like, I want to bring someone like that home. I thought that was very sweet. - Oh yeah. - I got a little choked up being a father of three daughters and I hope when my daughters start dating, they feel that kind of way. And I thought that was a real sweet thing. But she does seem like every conversation she wants to have is super heavy. - Is that even her saying like yeah, I want to adapt with my third world country. Like, baby, you're not making it out of Boston. Like put the passport up. Like you're not even, you're not going to get there. Like I just, it she makes my head hurt. She really makes my head hurt. And I'm just, no, but like yeah, they're talking about like adopting from across the world and doing like the thing that would make you the best human in the world. And it's like, and then it cuts to Melanie. And they're like, you got a Dunkin' Donuts too? What kind of donut do you get? - It's so intense. And she is wrong, like you said for saying that Melanie lived 'cause kind of like, I high, like this is all you have left. So if you're not going to choose me, you're going home too. So you're going to choose me now. Love is, love is seen and blind. - If I'm him, yeah. - I feel like watching this show it, I said this earlier, it kind of makes you like a better data or more aware. Like, and I've been on the reverse end of certain things where you're like, oh my god, this is giving me the X so bad. And it's never like in relationships. But it's when you're like, someone's losing you. And they start doing things that feel really desperate. And I feel like we're seeing that in the pods where people are acting in ways where it's like, they're leading people on with their looks or they're dropping little clues or even stew. And he's like, you kind of want to give a little perception of like your status and like, what kind of what you come from. And it's like, oh my god, that is giving, like the most major Ick ever. And it just makes you realize like, oh my god, I got to be so hyper aware for myself, but also for like, when you're dating other people and be like, okay, like I see what you're doing there. You're making subtle drops, but it's like really a key behavior. - Yeah. - Weird. - Benita fascinates me in so many ways. But like I will say, her story about her childhood is - Wow, yeah. - Wild and unbelievable. - Yeah, it's, and think that I wanted to, like I like her as a person. I feel like it's just, she shouldn't be trying to date. - She's a heel. - Yeah, like I just think she has to, she's a life coach. - She's a life coach. - Do we think she got a little bit more self-conscious after Mory kind of called her out for love bombing? And then with Blake, she was like, I don't want you to think I'm being too intense or weird or anything. Like do we think she was kind of learning as she went? - Yeah, I think so. But I think she, she's so infatuated that it's kind of hard to, it's either do or die for her, like literally. So it's like I, either she's gonna like overly love or it's like I'm not gonna do it at all. And that doesn't work for anybody. So I don't, I don't think this is the show for her. She should go on Love Island. That'd be cute. - Ooh, yeah. - She'd be cute on Love Island. - She would. - Or Age of Attraction. I feel like she would like an older man. - Yeah. - You know? - I could see that. - Yeah. - What's the? - Perfect match. - It's too out to handle. - Too out to handle. - Yeah. - You know, I could see her on there. She looks great. - She's hot. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Were the women kind of suggesting like when you meet Bonita, it's all gonna, was that kind of the vibe that I was getting? Like they were all kind of trying to explain to them in that she was so hot. - Yeah. I think they all picked up those vibes. I'm a little nervous about Blake, because in the preview it looked like he was getting a little flirty. - Oh did? - And I love him in Erica. So I'm really nervous. - Yeah, I guess I'm worried about Blake in Erica. Can't say why, but you know, they just give me vibes. - I don't wanna be worried about them because I will say, I was worried about them meeting because he does give the vibe that he wants a bit of a baddie. And so I was like, okay, and not that she's not absolutely stunning. But you know, she's not like baddie energy. She's very wholesome. And I thought he was so sweet when they met. They had one of the cuter interactions. It's always so awkward. And he was like so loving. He was like kissing her shoulder. And I was like, oh, he is, he's so into this. - He's like enamored with her. - Yes. - So that's why I was like, oh my god, this might actually really work out and be great. Like they were so cute together. - Is he is Blake poor? Or does he have no concept of money in what poor is? Because first he was like, no, I'm poor. I get by. I'm just a really good saver. I have money because they don't spend any. And then he like dropped that he can make up to or more than 200 grand a year. - Always keep him guessing. - I think he got to have something to VSC for that long. Like, you're not, I'm sure you're not picking up pirate booty. You know what I'm saying, like in the thing. So I'm like, you got to have some sort of income. But even if I think, I feel like even if he tries to go after Bonita, she's not going to BSC. How's she going to get there? - Yeah, she would not be that lifestyle. - She's not wearing that dress on the bow? - Yeah, exactly. - So I don't think she, she's not following a man in his career, in his career to that degree. - Unless he owns the yacht. - Yes. - Yeah, I mean, he's not captaining it. - He was an instant conversation talking about priorities when it was, oh, with work and stuff. - He's like, we're the kids following priority and she's like number two besides my career. And it's just like an interesting conversation because I think like I relate to the people who feel like the other day when you look back, it will be your family that you remember and not the promotion. But I also say that having been able to do a lot of things that I wanted to do and now I had the perspective, you know? And I don't know if I would have maybe have said that as like a younger guy. But it is interesting. - It is interesting. I think she said it was family second, but then he was kind of like clarifying and she was like, oh, well, once there's kids, it's gonna change, right? - Yeah. - And then she said, right now my career is really filling my cup, but obviously that will change once I really prioritized family in the future. And he's like, okay, I just want to make sure. - Yeah. - So they were just clarifying. - Right. - It was interesting that was her initial like gut reaction. - Yeah. - Which I kind of love, you know? Although, I mean, if I think for me, yeah, I feel like family's always got to be first for me. I'm like, I can't imagine. But people's family dynamics are different. So I don't know. - It seemed like right now she's just in that era, like she loves her job, her job fulfills her. It's like, if you're lucky enough to do what you love for work, that's like a great feeling because many people never are. - Yeah. - And it just feels like that's where she is right now. - It seems healthy. - And that's probably why she gave that answer. - Yeah. Yeah, I agree. - Yeah, to me, they're the only couple I could see potentially making it to the author, other than Sarah and John. Maybe it's those three. - I feel like Sarah and John are, can you bet on Kalshi, love his blind predictions? - So I was asking that because usually with Kalshi, it's about a winner. Like so I don't, it's not technically a winner, but they should. - Yeah. - I want to because like I would, 'cause not technically a winner, if seven people could get married, they would be like, all seven of y'all, great. But. - I would bet. - I would bet on John and Sarah. - Oh, you would bet on them. More than anyone? many than any of the couple. Yeah. Oh, they seem like they look good together. They seem like they're both equally physically attracted to each other. I think I was first Blake and Erica, but I think you're right. When Benita comes into the mix, I think he's going to like slip up and do some shady slimy shit and he's going to fuck it all up. I can't. I see it. I can't. I don't want that so bad, but I will say he made a comment that was like, I'm good for a few weeks. And then, you know, and I, again, I feel like that was kind of like the joking of like, oh, when the, the babies come, I'll be out to see all the time. And it, when he made that comment, it didn't seem like a joke, but it seemed like he knew this thing about himself where he's like, yeah, I can be serious for a little bit, but then like, I'm going to hit the road and like you said that. I think Blake said that. I think he made a comment about, he was joking a lot. I couldn't tell what it was. John and Sarah when meeting each other in the reveal, they were both like, yes. I'm good. Like, the physical traction. No, just like, I can't say that about the rest. We see John with a shirt off. We seen in the preview. I believe I saw it. I feel like he could be ripped. Like it sneaks up on you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, many people in his position, when they deal with something like a very devastating diagnosis, but they're, you know, he's probably very health conscious right now. That's what he said. He was like, I've tried to live like my health. And he's, yeah, and he's, he's getting cut. I know that's right. Yeah. I was actually surprised when he took. I was like, oh, shoot. Like I was not expecting. Oh, that I might have been winded. Would you say, would you say he's your type Justin? I just think he's hot. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's hot too. And I feel it didn't do say when she was like, I like, he said, I, I'm cut too. Didn't even she was like, I like this ring or something. He's like, it's cut like I am. Yes. You're gross. Yeah. I feel like, I feel like John and Stuart, the opposite spectrum of like what I look like what I look like. And then when you show up in person, it's not to say that Stu is not an attractive guy because we saw him with a beard from somebody that posted AI beard looked great. He needs a beard, but I'm just saying one has humility and the other one needs to learn. And that will take you a long way in life. John's literally been humbled by life. Yes. Yeah. You know, and he has a new found appreciation for that. Yeah. And adversity really shapes you. And it seems like maybe Stu has yet to really deal with that. Maybe this is the first time ever. But do you see Jack's walking up to the table at the end? You didn't see the preview. So I miss all the good stuff. So yeah. So she's walking up to the table smiling like, hey, and what do you mean? Oh, wait, what? Yeah. So you know, right? Yes. Like he's at the table like, and she's walking up to the table like, hey, and I'm like, no, he's so happy. That's why it wasn't just them too. It was them too. Like they're still in Boston. Like they didn't go there. But I don't know. Yeah, you want to be ashamed of yourself. She was giggling. Yeah, that's crazy to be giggling. Oh my God. That was like, I actually felt really sad for him because no matter how you guys, they, they played your so vain at the end of the episode. It was so great. It means they went and spent money because and you know, it's like, when that's after they met her, if that's after they met her, they definitely, this is more than just what happened on the show. They think that she is superficial and shallow. She literally said, going into the reveal. I'm excited to see something about his style. I'm excited to see what he's wearing or like what a style looks like. And then it was, I'm excited to see the ring. And then it was, I am excited to see what he looks like. It was like two things come before him. Yeah. And then the proposal, she goes, yeah, sure. Why not? Why not? And that was straight up like, all right, I'll do it for the plot. If by some miracle, I like you when I see you and I date you. But like, I guess I have to see you first. And she was definitely, she was like, she was full on, I'm just going to get to the reveal and then on the side. Yeah. Yeah. She was in no way buying into the process. And the, it was just like, yeah, sure, let's just get to where I need to go to decide if I'm going to stay or not. Right. But that one thing, that's the one thing that bothers me when, like, they take the ring, like at least leave it with the producers or like something like, you have the ring and you take it with you, you're swiper and I'm swiping. Like, you're at the, like, I just went like, gold digger. You're a thief. Literally, like, yeah. Thank you. Like, what are you doing? It's not. Unless you get truly wrong cheated on or screwed over, you have to give that if you decide to leave the relationship and keep the ring, you're, you're a horrible person. Agreed. I believe it is, like, isn't it legally like the man's until you are married and then it is yours? I don't know. I'm type of thing. But I agree with whatever they said about, like, if, if cheating or if the guy leaves and I'm like, I might keep that thing. But if I'm the one, I think production is not, if the guy screws you over. Yeah, keep it. But if you leave and you, if you break a heart and you keep that ring, crazy, like I could have gone bigger than why didn't you? Cause they just meant no, but he's like talking about all this money he has and how he could have gotten a bigger ring. And she's like, no, I like this size. If, if you could have gone bigger, then why didn't you go the biggest that you could have ever gone? Like why are we being like, well, it's like I could have gotten you a better gift. Also, yeah, it is definitely an ex when people talk about like their family as if they have like a tradition to upkeep, like you, you're going to be a steward. Yeah, he was losing me. He was losing me every time. And that's why some people saying that we're going too hard on jacks because he definitely was the egg. And I think people are only going so hard on her because she could have left before everything. Like, I think that's where she went wrong. Cause they both were equally shallow. She could have had a conversation with him. Then being like, we asked her if she wanted to see you and she declined. And he's like, that was sad. He came into that interview. So hyped. He's like, Bobby, Bobby, Bobby. Like, he's in the producer. He's so excited. He's like, he missed me. He comes back. He's like, you missed me that much, Bobby. It's like, we got some news to tell you. This is gonna be the best thing that happens to him. It's just a small slice of humble pie. Yeah. Yeah. I do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It won't kill him. I do hope he comes back with a beard and a little bit of, yeah, humble pie because I think that will serve him well. How did you have to feel about the guests? Don't think it's kind of funny. I mean, leaning into like one of the most hated his new characters of all time and trying to argue in his defense. You might have missed that part. But he was like, what guess? He's like misunderstood. And like, you know, he was like, she got captured by a monster. And he rallied the troops and tried to save her. Like, he's not, you know, I thought it was pretty funny. It was really a little sticky. He does kind of have a Gaston look. I could tell that's what that's on his wall. Like he has like a picture of Gaston, like above the bed. That's the question. Right. I say that the question is like, is this a bit or has this been your identity growing up? Yeah. I think it may be cosplay a little bit because then like when he said it, I'm like, that's the look. Like you see the little flip and just I'm like, that's the look. And I just feel like certain villains you can't defend. Like I, you know, I get it. Like they have that but Gaston, I don't know about that. I never heard a defense of Gaston in all my years of living. So that's the he's kind of a douchebag. You know, you're right. It is kind of a red flag because you're like, like, first of all, for all his faults, Gaston, handsome. And the question is is like when people are like growing up, he's like, you kind of look like Gaston. And then he spent the rest of his adult life trying to be like, well, he's not that bad of a guy because I look just like. Yeah, like I can understand like defending, like just say Maleficent, like they cut off her wings. I'm coming to get you. Like that's that's understandable. That's understandable, villain. I never, I was trying to, because I try not to be biased. So I was trying to see like maybe Gaston did this. I'm like, no, no, no. You can rewatch. Let me just check. I had to, because I was like, what do you do? Cause you forget some time. I'm like, let me see what he did. And I'm like, no, he's wrong in 2026. Yeah. So funny. We cover everything. I feel like we might see pretty much. It's always great to talk to these shows with him. I love y'all. It's so fun. Y'all get it. I think people don't be having a common sense on these shows. They'd be pissing me off because they're human still. Some people as these are fucking mine, man. Like, it's just not that serious. Yeah. I just, it's like, I don't know. I do think we need a more interesting city, though. I think the past two cities have been a little, eh, we love his blind. So can we go to like Chicago? Yeah. Why haven't we had a Chicago? Well, Chicago, no, we didn't. Season two is arguably the maybe the best season of all time. Let's go back. There it is. New York, maybe Hawaii. Yeah. Hawaii. Oh, Hawaii would be down to the south. Yes. Yeah. Like a Nashville. We would see like some, why haven't they done that? Yeah, sure. Because they would be, they would accuse everyone of like just trying to become like famous. Yeah. It's like everyone's like singing in the pods to each other. Yeah. Okay. We get it. Yeah. You know, have they done it? Atlanta? Have they done it? I think they did. No, I'm looking at all the cities they haven't done it. No, like that shock. It's crazy. They're missing all the good ones. Like, let's get the people. Oh, I'm sorry. Season one was Atlanta. Hello. Season one was Atlanta, which was again, arguably one of the best. Yeah. Yeah. So the first two were Atlanta and Chicago. That makes sense. Okay. Have they done LA? Not yet. Maybe they should do like a San Diego because LA also is like fame hungry. Yeah. Mine here. But like San Diego feels like a little more cash. Yeah. San Francisco. San Francisco. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. That'd be cool. Yeah. Yeah. Santa Fe. Okay. I watch it. We're going to watch you regardless. I said, Jay, Hey, thanks for coming by again, man. Thank you for having me again. Please come back soon. Where can people find you? Enjoy all the great stuff you're making online. I am I say it, Jay. Isaiah underscore Jay everywhere. Two A's and Isaiah two A's and Jay. Um, I'm everywhere. You may see me a little hit, but on podcasts, I bring my plus one, my buddy past my body with me and we come have a talk. So come check me out everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We love you. Come back anytime. Thank you to Isaiah and as well as Tucker and Sahar for sharing their love story with us on this show. It was great to hear about that. We will see you back on Thursday. We'll get into obviously the fallout from dancing with the stars who made it, who didn't. We have the icon herself, Derinda, as well as we get a chance to talk to Benita and Stu. So it's a jam packed episode. We'll see you then. Bye, bye.