E1203 - Kelly Killoren Bensimon Talks The Golden Life, RHOP Returns & Ben Affleck Is Tired

what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files reality recap edition it's hump day it's a hump day edition of reality do you guys still is that did you say hump day back in the day or am i am i aging myself no no you definitely said it back in the day but because of the commercial with the camel i haven't heard it in a long time is it it's old it's definitely old for sure okay i never was a fan of it either mic mic mic mic mic mic mic well it's wednesday anyways we got a great episode lined up for you we have kelly ben simone on later this episode for a big chunk of this episode and we're super excited for you to hear that interview kelly obviously you know her as one of the og housewives of roni and she will be featured on the upcoming ep on the upcoming show the golden life with many of her other iconic housewives from roni and uh again i'm really excited for you to hear this conversation i i didn't know what to expect i've said this uh in the past couple episodes but after talking to kelly i'm super excited about this uh upcoming show i think uh for all the people who were sad that they didn't bring those women back for roni i think it sounds like they're going to very much get to do it with the golden life and uh excited for you guys to catch up with kelly hear about what uh you can expect with the golden life and that is coming up justin and i actually have a chance to uh interview kelly together i'm very excited for you guys to listen to that uh big news for us here at the the vials uh household uh river is uh joining her first class of uh she's taking ballet extracurricular extracurricular we started a ballet with the stars inbound i didn't know yeah we're starting her dancing with the stars journey today let's go i didn't know that this and maybe this is a thing within all extracurricular activities for children maybe not but it's genius if so it's like a free trial class so this first class is free and it's basically like come try it out see if your kid likes it or hates it and if she's gonna love it what happens she's gonna love it then you sign up for like okay we'll do this once a week for the next six weeks or package it or whatever it is but like genius i thought i was gonna have to buy a six-week package and then my daughter hates it and i'm like paying for this thing and she's crying to go and it's a whole thing clearly they probably they probably had that experience with other parents and you know we're like we'll just let them come once for free just let them so is this what she's going to is this like will other kids have been going to the class for a while is it is it just a trial for river or is it like today is a new day for everyone i i'm not sure that wasn't clear i'm not sure so we'll see i'll report back tomorrow but she is so excited she keeps saying she's going to ballet school and i'm like yes let's go that's so she's going to ballet school we've been watching angelina ballerina and reading the book angelina ballerina and so we're very excited she slept in her ballet shoes the other night it's pretty rigorous like training right like as you get into the weeds now justin former five-year ballet champion well not champion i did beginning ballet for five years and i struggled but the thing is not you guys are so smart just start her young because like your body physically can't do certain things if you don't like do like like a splits for example like doing it when they're young is so smart because she'll be able to do it or like certain like foot movements or like flexibility things don't they like like have to learn to stand on like their the knuckles of their toes so that like points properly kind of yeah to do to do point but we'll see how long this lasts just do you have any like videos of you doing ballet no because i was bad at it but it was you burnt it was a good like if you want a good exercise ballet were you really bad i have find that hard to believe i wasn't that bad but i was not like there's no way for someone because i did it later in life like i couldn't progress there's no way to do that in ballet versus like if we're to start it now like you can literally like she can be a prima ballerina you know my favorite thing about justin is that if he's if he says he's bad at something you know he probably is because he will admit when he's good at something that is no facts justin's really good at skincare routines and he's been putting me on game thank you has i will say rivers river's feet if she commits to the bit the ballet will shape the foot wait just the shape of your why haven't you shared any of your skincare routines with me oh don't inquire i gave you eye cream at bravo con oh but that that that's because we were they gave us the the cream that was my own personal eye cream oh yo you ain't giving me any eye cream what the fuck i'll have to bring it i need to know how to use it man like he needs the right he needs a list for all i knew for all i know is this like a lubricant ew don't squeeze me out justin give me the top of that hierarchy oh my god uh jimmy's officially moving to la this week welcome to la it's about time show time i'm going hollywood on everybody are you excited you nervous are you do you like i you know i used to live in chicago was there every day and now like well you're from there you know i'm like once i left that city like i probably have been back to chicago maybe three times in 10 years and it like kind of makes me sad because it's a great city yeah i'll be back up for the bunch uh i'm not looking forward to how spread out la is that's like the only thing that's giving me like some pause but are you bringing all the furniture are you starting over starting fresh clean slate been in my pinterest bag really excited about the the lighting arrangement i'm gonna decorate and outfit my crib with so that we have a good ambiance people come over are you doing a lot of stuff are you doing it yourself are you getting a woman's touch either from a friend or big help lots of help okay lots of input lots of help because i think that that's definitely a mistake i made in my single man era it was yeah i you know i feel like i've always felt like i had taste i always liked fashion i you know like yourself i you know i wasn't just like a gearhead but i'm also like the difference between my opinion and a woman's touch was so evident anytime walked into there's like little things little things little things you don't think about when nally moved in i was like wow this does this this is better i needed this like without me nick picked out dining room chairs with wheels you know and just like oh unnecessary you know super fun to roll around yeah i'm right now i'm torn between i really like these like projector tv screens that like you can like you don't see a tv but like when you want to watch tv just like projected on the wall no no no no no no no no no i got you covered no yeah yeah yeah wait and before he does that let me tell you why no projector you're gonna always have if you don't have it on you're gonna have this big massive blank space wall that's gonna like kind of look weird if you don't have the projector on right you're gonna be like oh that wall needs some art or that wall needs something instead frame tv samsung i should be the spokesperson i should be the spokesperson for frame tv i don't i have too many but like think of i've always loved a great tv i mean you know yeah that's the like that's that's the probably the most macho masculine thing about me is like i like to need a good screen i like going to best buy and like checking out the tech that's the geek that's really that's really masculine yeah what i love going to best buy hey we like gadgets wait is that not yeah i don't think so it's giving i mean again i'm not i don't hunt fish i don't do car like i don't do anything really i don't even going into a home depot but you're going into a best buy and he's going down the screen's eye i need to feel like a man i just go into masculinity oh no wait hold on guys hold on hold on i gotta i gotta i'll be right back in two seconds i gotta show you guys something is it a frame tv he's bringing one in i don't know i didn't realize this was he just got so excited yeah i don't know what's happening is it a gadget it's probably it's got to be a gadget all right my guess is it's a my god something tech natalie bought these for me what an act of love for the for the auditory so i can talk to my friends wearing a it's my gaming microphone oh my gosh i can see that's that's a great gift and i've been regretting it ever since no this is this may be one of the best gifts my wife gave me because it's such an act of love it was an extension from your birthday she heard me talk about like how my friends wanted me to get one but i would like i refused to get one because i knew how nelly might feel about it and because she loves me that's actually so lit and because she loves me so much she got me she gave me permission to nerd out so that's now i have to figure out how to turn it on but now back to this best buy screens okay so frame tv jim yeah because like think about it when you're not watching tv there's this big black eyesore on on your center wall and if for a lot of people out there who like are big on the feng shui the energy of the room they don't you shouldn't have a tv in your bedroom you shouldn't have a tv in your your living area because the vibes are off because there's a big black screen that you don't really kind of notice but the frame tv you can just have works of art on your tv 24 7 literally it looks like you can't honestly most of the time you can't tell if it's a painting it's incredible it even you get to customize it yes you can pick whichever one you want and you get a literal frame thousands so many of them like you get like a frame frame like a frame to go around your frame tv so it's like it's framed and you put a beautiful work of art you got to i'm thinking about my friend's apartment in new york city she had one and it was and she there's also like a setting where it can like blend in with the wall i was just about to say at nighttime it like dims so it's not like this bright tv it's like dim like a piece of art would be lit at night it's good it's incredible yeah you need it everyone should have a frame to cart and the picture quality and watch tvs and they're not they're not sponsoring you or anything no they should be no this isn't an ad okay it's not an ad sold here's my question about frame tvs and tvs in general why is it acceptable to watch tv alone but for some reason it's not as socially acceptable according to nick to see movies alone but i didn't say it was socially acceptable i just said most of my life i didn't have the confidence in myself to go to a movie by myself and the one time i did it was like god that sounds amazing it was the beginning of a breakup and i was like feeling very like pathetic and alone in this relationship and to really lean into my sadness as like an act of defiance i went to a movie by myself what movie did you see yeah what movie i don't even remember you don't know he was crying the whole time yeah i was yeah because you know it wasn't really about the movie it was about my broken heart your sorrow do you go a big movie theater go or dolo like i went and saw batman by myself um i went and saw f1 by myself dune saw that by myself nice are you getting like the popcorn the drink the candy you're going all out i'm sneaking in a chipotle burrito or jamba juice yeah depending on how i'm feeling yeah not really you don't sneak things into movies not a chipotle burrito that come on sometimes you're hungry i i agree now because chipotle's been on trash lately and they gotta fix some shit over there no disrespect for anybody sponsored by chipotle my bad but they've been they've been stingy with the porsche sizes lately so really i've been did you see that oh my god there it is increasing the bathroom breaks no the ceo spoke about that and he was like you you can always ask for more like he was like we he basically was like we're to be honest i kind of appreciate that because i'm the opposite i'm always like asking for less oh i want my burrito to look like at least a normal burrito i don't need a ball i want i want i want a torpedo i want my money's worth exactly for how much chipotle costs now i want two meals exactly that's what i'm saying two meals the batman was like a damn near three hour movie you have lunch and dinner that's crazy that's me i'm gonna see i'm gonna see you can see everything alone this weekend and i'm literally it's like three hours and i'm like okay i'm gonna have to like plan what my meal i'm gonna have to meal prep yeah wait does it come out friday or saturday it technically comes out on thursday thursday night like midnight yeah i'm going to see it too yeah i feel like you do a big meal before and then you get a little snack there but then you have to go to the bathroom during the movie so then it's like you really gotta you know what a great uh movie theater snack is and ali introduced it to me r.i.p. her dad oh my god well it was your dad's idea yeah it was he's no longer with us so r.i.p. it's a celebration of life because we're about to celebrate a great idea here for sure maybe like rest in peace her dad that's crazy okay anyway i'm glad you're laughing he did he did introduce us to this this is like the the snack that we would get every time he took us to the movies and it's popcorn with milk duds and you put the milk duds in the popcorn and it kind of melts them a little bit and you get some chocolate popcorn awesome so good so good kind of like the the garrett's popcorn of chicago but just like diy some chocolate flavor i kind of dig that you know it's a chicago staple it's popcorn now he's been to chicago for like an afternoon yeah yeah you gotta get some tavern pizza portillo's hot dog uh italian beef and garrett's popcorn tavern pizza definitely better than deep dish pizza so much better yeah so much better i sent this in the group chat but now i have new and exciting news for you what tonight the world is gonna see the um kelly clarkson video it's been oh yeah it's been pablo torre no way pablo torre finds out pablo torre finds out pablo torre is a an investigative journalist mostly in the sports genre he's he's highly polarizing but very good at his job he's uncovered some like he just basically like the clippers the he basically like caught a billionaire like trying to cheat the system with the salary cat in the nba jimmy knows all about it he was like he made a joke he tweeted about it like the other day he's like fine i'll investigate this case and then he released a screenshot of it and he's like tonight you know it'll be on his episode last night so by when on thursday's episode like for anyone for anyone listening right now it is out it is available you can go check it out we will discuss it on thursday's episode but this makes me believe that maybe i mean he he got the only way to get this is from the store right it's good to know journalism still exists nah he he's actually like like he's so tough at his job like yeah he's polarizing like he definitely ruined the clippers like next five years of their franchise well maybe they shouldn't have been doing all that he caught a billionaire literally like cheating cheating the system actually actually like that's crazy shout out pablo man what do you think's gonna be i don't know she is wearing i think kelly clarkson will be vindicated i'm worried for kelly i saw i saw a tweet i'm worried for kelly too knowing pablo yeah i saw a tweet that was like um me and my mom didn't go to the mall to buy extra phones to vote for kelly on american idol for some like stupid store in brooklyn to try to take her down it was like team kelly all the way literally she got a real army behind her she is america's princess yeah yeah i would i would die to have that type of dedicated fan base that army that cult following where people go and buy phones no well just to like have your back oh you know i think it's just like kelly clarkson someone that like is always putting out good vibes into the world so for her to like come for a store i just i yeah i believe her i believe her too jimmy how old are you 28 have you ever in your life yet in the in the in young age uh had the opportunity to have sex and thought i'm too tired uh definitely definitely have before okay i wouldn't say it's like a common occurrence but like i but it started it's it's already it's like it's like your first gray hair no honestly like i don't drink a lot of alcohol i'm more i like to i like to smoke weed and sometimes i have been too fried to uh you know execute the mission well the reason i bring it up because uh uh ben affleck and his wisdom and his age is you know just not giving he i don't know when he stopped giving a fuck but he's i don't think he's going to in a while in the best possible way but he did an interview where he talked about how he's just basically most of the time just too tired to have sex especially that's crazy if you want to be good at it and truer words have never been spoken about men listen i i'm i feel fortunate that my wife is as sexy and as desirable as she is but like yeah as you get older and life happens there's always this like you know honestly it's just like that's a that's a lot of work like the other day i was in the um shower and he i don't like this story go ahead i want to hear it so bad though i was in the shower and he was i don't know he was like going to change iris's diaper or something and he walked past holding the bathroom two babies where he could see me and didn't even look at me right so i was like what the fuck like okay so he comes back doesn't look at me i'm like i'm in the shower and he comes back i'm like you have to go to the bathroom you walked past me twice and you didn't even glance like what is going on here and he's like what i didn't know i i i looked but i'm holding the baby and i and i i just had to go and change his diaper and i was like how dare you first of all like the disrespect the double standard in this story is crazy that's fucking just didn't even glance no it's no to me it's funny how like how irked you are by that like that's jokes oh no that shit matters and then but then if he would like i'll come in it's like that's no i'm already no like i'm not getting my hair wet it's not hair wash day so i you can't come in because i actually i'm already done i'm getting out you know but i did want you to to look yeah you wanted the quick acknowledgement yeah but uh no it's um it's gonna happen to you man i'll be honest like i can i can definitely say i've been too tired to want to do the whole hosting thing but like if we're just like like we're already cozy with each other like well what i appreciate is that you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're what i appreciate wait wait what is hosting yeah yeah what do you mean like come over now like you know there's a song and dance there's a rhythm there's a there's a lot of effort then even afterwards it's like you can't just kick her out like so like being a gentleman over you want some juice you want to watch a movie being a human being uh but ben but ben was like there's the last part especially if you want to be good at it which i appreciate that because that that you know the difference between ben and his older years is the awareness that it's not just all about him because i'm guessing you know i think a lot of young men when they're like you know getting down and dirty aren't even thinking about like you know there's like that common like so did you did you did you finish when they're done you know was that good for you you know i had a great time how was it for you they're like that's the i mean you're breathing heavy on top of me i don't know i guess it was fine wait have you wait when have you ever had a girl like Just keep going. Never mind. No, no, please, go. She'll take, like, dinner came too quick. and so it's like it's okay I take it as a compliment and like there's no way like she's trying to spin it like in a positive light but like she's probably a little disappointed no no no we definitely do love it sometimes for sure yeah really okay 100% I feel like they just said it to make me feel better but like no if it takes too long then it's like oh my god I'm disgusting I'm literally I'm the ugliest thing you've ever seen okay so there's like a fine line there's definitely a very tight window very tight straight people are crazy I mean sometimes you know what Mary what about nothing what about straight people no I just said I just said straight people are crazy how long are lesbians having sex as long as you want what's it oh my gosh what's an average time yeah what eight minutes there have been times eight minutes right do you feel like around eight to ten minutes for lesbians no for just for normal sex oh normal sex probably yeah not counting I mean yeah foreplay intimacy holding hands if you want to do it but the actual act of sex I don't think it should be longer than ten minutes it depends what round we're on round one round I feel like three to four songs I'm not talking about a first night hook up where you're just like I want to just keep this going for as long as possible you're fighting it like no no no I'm not ready well I think the intent well I think when two girls are having sex with each other the intention is to actually make each other come yeah but y'all could go for hours I feel like it's going for yeah so that's the longest night of your life but like you should be with someone you have if you're on the same page and someone you have a relationship with an intimacy with that should be possible and there are definitely situations where Natalie's like it's just not going to happen today it's just like it's fine you know but like either way it shouldn't take more than ten minutes are we on the same page or yeah the worst is when you can't go a third or a second round and she's like I kind of want to go again how long is your first round Jimmy it depends how long it's been it depends how excited I am it depends if like I haven't seen you in a while just give me a time give me a time like three to four songs that's ten minutes yeah ten minutes-ish yeah depending on the song depending on the ballad so we're all on the same page yeah besides Mary when you start to break a sweat that's how you know you've been going on too long when you get a little perspiration it's like alright alright nobody needs to be sweating I don't know you're just having a good time you're just trying to have a good time and however long that lasts is however long that lasts obviously everyone listening right now knows what happens with Dancing with the Stars because we record this a day in advance so I hopefully hopefully Tyler's still around and I hopefully I made three hundred and eighty something dollars hopefully I made three hundred and nineteen it was three hundred and nineteen three hundred and nineteen for me but we obviously we'll talk about whatever happened on last night's episode of Dancing with the Stars and we'll also get into Roni I can't like that whole how do you pronounce her name Maxwell? Ghislaine Ghislaine the fact that Carol is in the Epstein files well basically what happened is according to Carol she was socially friends like just in the New York like kind of like socialite scene and then she had mutual friends with Ghislaine Maxwell did not know Jeffrey Epstein according to her and like they just like would talk and were like kind of friends she always thought Ghislaine was like a social climber now I'm thinking about who I was rubbing shoulders with at New York Fashion Week Caroline Stanberry was also mentioned oh yeah and wasn't wasn't the guy from Southern Charm Whitney yeah is it in that episode? oh Whitney yeah anyways what a doesn't mean you were on the island but what a terrible thing to be on anyways we'll get into all things Roni tomorrow as well as Dance with the Stars and a lot more we also had the premiere of Potomac which I'm excited for you to jump into Jimmy Jimmy did you watch? I did and I it's great immediate thoughts I don't know if I like them better than Roni yet but they have potential to be my favorite Real Housewives saga it's an excellent it's an excellent franchise I want to know why what's her face was in jail she's the grand dame first of all have some respect sorry it's gonna take me a minute to learn everyone's name Karen Huger the grand dame she had one too one too many DUIs yeah I thought it was gonna be like some cool shit damn it if a housewife is in trouble with the law it's usually one of two things it's usually taxes or drinking and driving yeah um almost exclusively I was happy to see Wendy I was like worried maybe she wasn't gonna come back this season or maybe like take a step back I mean she got a new car she got a new car Psalm 21 and what is that Bible verse can we look that up she got she got my dream car she got a G-Wagon $170,000 car I love G-Wagons it's a Psalm of David the king shall have joy in your strength oh Lord and in your salvation how greatly shall he rejoice you have given him his heart's desire and have not withheld the request of his lips oh oh okay for you meet him with the blessings of goodness you shall not you set a crown of pure gold upon his head he asked life from you and you gave it to him length of days forever and ever his glory is great in your salvation it feels like a little bit of a random I thought it was gonna be something like not guilty wait Wendy's car she also went to jail well not yet Wendy has been allegedly accused of insurance fraud insurance credit card like yeah yeah she likes they like allegedly there was like a robbery that may or may not have been real stole a bunch of stuff that she may or may not still have and a lot of a lot of credit cards and a lot of different names those types of things yeah this is cool at least-ish kind of like I could see a movie around that yeah it's definitely better than DUI for sure Wendy's funny though yeah no it's like well that's it's such a what's the it's such a juxtaposition because again like as a housewife we you know she's this very charming lovely person professor doctor doctor Dr. Wendy and then here she has caught up in this alleged criminal activity but regardless the fact that she is A. just still on Housewives making content talking about these allegations just seems like legally not smart and then now you're now you're spending $170,000 on well maybe the maybe it maybe the maybe the logic is I didn't need to steal because I have money I have so much money maybe sounds like more money laundering shit you got a G-Wagon it's yeah it's we also opened this premiere up with a bang because now Tia's husband is on dating apps yeah he admitted to it and he was like yeah it's crazy honestly like he probably was like she probably has proof so I'm not gonna lie I mean at least yeah at least he owned it but like that's great how do you come back from that where's he gonna go I was looking for friends I'm trying to combat the male loneliness epidemic I'm trying to find male friendships on here he's like I thought I was on Bumble Friends I was on I was on Dating Bumble that would've been hilarious if he was like no my favorite part of the episode was when they were talking about this and they're like well Ashley you're on dating apps she's like I mean no no no I mean I know about them I'm not like I bought them it was like maybe you're not dating apps are so obviously prevalent now it's like how people are meet but like people are meeting but when I was your age Jim it was like you didn't want anyone to know yeah I mean I've never I've still never been on one I'm I kinda I'm proud of that fact yeah you say that with a sense of yeah I don't even I don't need a dating app actually I did download Raya and then I was on like a waiting list and I was like fuck this shit I deleted it well you should DM Ashley from Potomac you I mean I feel like I don't know if she's still dating that Josh guy is she the one with the curly head dude with the that came to the box suite yeah they're kinda on and off again so I don't know yeah I use them in Pittsburgh a lot she's a lovely person can you DM her for the plot and just see like where it goes hey just started watching Big Fan I'm not a home wrecker though but I don't think they're together what if you say just started watching Big Fan wink that's smooth that's smooth I ain't gonna lie you might have some game left in you yeah I know what I'm doing a little bit are you doing it right now no no no this is the the company iPad oh right okay I mean I don't know before I say anything that'll get me in trouble who is who's the guy it's like her situationship it's just like her friends with benefits she last season she broke up with him at a Dave and Buster's and it was like a whole thing on the show on the show like brought him to the show on a date do we like him what are our thoughts about him we're kind of benign it's kind of like whatever whatever Ashley thinks we think okay Wendy thinks Ashley has impish behavior which was maybe my impish is hilarious it was my favorite line from the episode what does impish mean sounds bad impish like think of like an imp yeah like she's tiny and mischievous like little bro like you're beneath me I love how Giselle was like he looks like he works here he came in in a suit he's like what are you why are you wearing a suit to a basketball game who was more wrong Stacey or or Ashley I'm gonna go team Ashley I feel like I feel like Stacey had mischievous intentions wait jog my memory wait with what okay so Stacey was the one who was the one who was the one who was the one so basically Stacey and Wendy are friends and Tia and Wendy are friends and then Wendy but Stacey and Tia don't like each other they're not friends so basically Wendy took Stacey and Tia to like lunch and Stacey was like hey listen like I'm really sad and I hate to have to tell you this but I've been getting messages that your husband is on dating sites and the other girls are talking about it and I just didn't want you to get accosted by it lo and behold later in the episode Stacey was like Ashley and Giselle accost her about it. feel like i listen i just think people talk that's how i felt i don't think giselle and and ashley hearing about this and when stuff like this happens usually friends are like do we tell her how do we tell her should we tell her i don't like and know like maybe they maybe they have an arrangement and i don't want to like you know it's like normal friend behavior to like talk about this stuff and yeah you can get into semantics of like i guess we should have you know there's like it's it's a difficult question to answer stacy isn't friends with tia and i feel like she found this out and used it to her benefit thinking she could like get in the good graces of tia you know what i'm saying it just feels like i don't feel like her intentions were as pure as she led them out to be but you think giselle had good intentions with it by like bringing it up because i feel like what stacy was doing was just like i think she was a pro i think she's a house wife yeah but i also feel like what stacy was kind of doing was just like hey i'm gonna tell you this in a place that's safe and doesn't have other women around her like the other women around her well i mean they're gonna talk about it on camera regardless um and it was kind of like let's have you find this out like with your friend with wendy and then when giselle and ashley bring it up as if you're doing something wrong which you're not doing anything on wrong your husband's the one on the streets like you know and they bring it up with around the new housewife courtney and like around a bunch of strangers she doesn't know and now they're forced to like get loud and have this conversation around a bunch of strangers meanwhile karen's falling asleep that was crazy it must be so hard to be a new housewife because like there was a scene where you could tell like she was like trying to look for her spot to like interject yeah but like these all these women are just big dynamic personalities seasoned pros and i you could see like her struggle to like you know and she and courtney might be a huge person but like when you get a group together like it's it's it's hard to kind of find your rhythm and you could kind of see that i have a question about i guess the cast and totality and specifically robin because i knew her from traitors yeah so is she like the biggest deal of them she was she was off what is she back is she officially back she was an episode she's back as a friend okay i recognized her yeah so robin and giselle were kind of like a kind of like duo for a really long time and now she's back as a friend of but robin causes a lot of shit with giselle because they have their podcast unreasonably shady um but yeah she was robin was on for eight seasons and then is back as she took eight nine ten and then she took two seasons off she's back as a friend of this season who's the one married is it to ray the guy that pulled up in the car and saw she was home and then dipped somebody's husband came home and saw she was home or saw that their cameras being filmed and he dipped and she called her and was like she called him and was like you're not gonna say hi or anything i kind of respect it for the camera you know he's like fuck this i don't want to be on tv dude i was like yo that was baller oh that's karen that was karen's husband karen and ray it seems yeah having like marital problems right i want to meet ray ray ray seems ray seems like a don well he's married to the grandam it's an excited potomac's back um i think we're really gonna get into it i think you're gonna really like this franchise jim yeah i mean this is my first go-round with real housewives of i mean all of them and i would say salt lake city and new york are my favorites right now but this was a great first impression yeah no i'm really excited about this season uh like we said we also have roni and we're gonna get into all of that in tomorrow's episode but coming up next we have kelly ben simone from the golden life you know her as one of the og women's from roni and now she will be starring in the golden life it was a great conversation we're excited for you guys to hear it and we are now very excited about the golden life and uh up next you get to hear all about it kelly ben simone kelly welcome to the show thank you how are you next i'm so good we're so honored to have you uh we were talking just a little bit before we started but i felt like there were uh you know people who know nally nally nally's friend got in a car accident so she that's why she's she had to pop out and um she's sorry she couldn't be with you so sorry but i guess there's some there's some synergy uh connections you know some people who know natalie my oldest daughter's um is good friends with um with the coffee daughter so i thought maybe you guys knew yeah knew her my daughter's like say hi i'm like okay it's so weird how like everybody knows everyone yeah it's a small world and you're a twin you were saying i'm a twin i am so you have a brother or sister i have a twin brother okay uh overall are you are you do you like being a twin oh my god i mean i have the best twin on the planet he's like the coolest guy ever i mean everyone loves my twin i think more than me which is weird what is one like what can i ask you for some twin advice i have twin daughters they're like yes two months old oh my god are they identical or they're fraternal two girls okay yeah what advice do you have like from parents like what's something that you like wish your parents did differently as it relates to you two being twins and like you know the amount of like leaning into the twinness or leaning into the individuality of like raising them like what advice would you give to me you know my parents were really good i'm from rockford illinois and being a twin was like such an anomaly and my parents were really good at raising us at because i was he's a boy and i'm a girl um and they were really good at raising us as in-laws and they were really good at raising us as in-laws and individuals what they think is really important but we were always we were also always the twins so it was like the twins on their birthday the twins do this the twins do that i think that just you know making sure that each child and this is just in general just that each child gets the attention that they you know need and deserve is really important yeah well we've enjoyed it so far so i love it thanks for the advice but you're a twin well back to you you're you're back you're we're very excited about it so fun tell us about it like why you know well i know why we're excited but i mean you know i haven't worked with this group of ladies in a long time the last time i saw them we were in st bart's which i love and i'm having so much fun and now we are back together for the golden life and we start in palm beach where you know we make you know the movie magic i mean it's just unbelievable it's so much fun have you been living in florida so i spent a lot of time in florida with my my dad was a lawyer and um i told you i'm from illinois and a lot of midwesterners go to palm beach and so i used to go with my dad all the time and my mom and hang out with their clients and you know patent leather shoes and you know the drill different weather than new york different weather than new york you always hear about like florida lore and like how like the lifestyles are very unique and there's a lot of different styles and there's a lot of different styles and there's a lot of a lot of privilege and a lot of things we love to watch on tv yes is that something we can look forward to like you women leaning into the culture that is palm like florida and the whole florida culture and that and that scene i mean i think that palm beach like is totally separate than actual real florida culture sure it's like its own you know special area and i mean there's just so much that goes on whether it's the charity events the lunches the dinners i mean nick i have never consumed so much rosé in my entire life i'm like i cannot drink anymore so what's the best rosé or the rosé you avoid um i mean there's so many great rosés like i love a miraval i love a whispering angel i actually love whispering angels like baby sister called the beach it's like 14.99 it's so good i just literally consumed so much i was like i just but it was so it was like you're drinking rosé and you're in these gorgeous colorful dresses and it's sunny every day and i got to ride horses and hang out with my friends and i was like oh my god i'm so happy to be here and i'm hanging out with all my friends that are from new york and from the midwest which was really fun because i you know grew up there in the midwest and so like everyone is down there and um i just was having the best time and then obviously spending time with the ladies was so it was so good for me personally you know i really i really saw a lot of personal growth on this show which was really really exciting for me i was gonna say is that growth in comparison to ultimate girls trip because you were on one of my favorite parts of that season and i know that season was also a little rocky yeah but i'm glad that you're back in golden life it's a different atmosphere right it is a different atmosphere um you know it's sonia ramona luann dorinda and me and we just are connecting in a different way and you know it's it's hard because you know i started off with them in you know 2009 and you know i don't think people really know the real me you know i 2008 was a very very difficult time for me and i'm a very difficult financial year for many people i just gotten divorced there was a massive crash you know i lost like you know half of my net worth um and i had two daughters who i was providing for and it was a very very stressful time in my life and um i mean anyone that has gone through financial crisis they know that you know things are not all rosé yeah and um so now to see me you know in my golden life era You know, it's just like, I'm just open to learning so much more and. uh, I had a health scare last year and that would made me even more open to finding out who I was and what I wanted out of life. I mean, I know I have a good moral compass. I have great values. Um, I have beautiful children, but like, what about me? You just got my brain twirling, uh, Kelly. There's so, I feel like there's so many, so many layers there. Well, can I ask you more like when just, uh, when you, that's financial crisis, um, when you lost half your net worth, um, not to dive too deep into it, but clearly there's a spectrum of how, of privilege and wealth and how much we have and don't have. And obviously there's a sense of privilege, but everyone can relate to loss, right? And the loss of like, no matter where you are. And so like, I don't know what your financial situation was at the time you lost half, but that must've been a very scary moment. And it's sometimes something people don't overcome. I'm curious, like, how did you kind of like get through that? Because like, that must've been very scary. And you know, not everyone like quite honestly makes it through that type of, of loss. You know, I think your point about the emotional scar sometimes is worse than actually just rebuilding financially because you're, you, when you lose money, it's so easy to fall into that scarcity mentality. And when you have two girls to raise, you know, I was divorced and I was responsible for them emotionally and financially. So there was just so much pressure. And you know, I went on television and it was, I thought that was just going to be, you know, I was just going to have the world see me for who I was. Well, I came to scapegoat, you know, no harm, no foul, but that was also even more difficult. So I came from financial difficulty and then it was, my daughters were exposed to, you know, a lot of things that happened after being on Housewives. And it was really, really hard on them. They were babies. They were eight and 10. And, you know, I was still rebuilding with all of, you know, my brands and wrote two novels and wrote a couple of other books, which was great for me. And then my mother fell ill and she passed away within four months and I had to get my real estate license to sell some of our properties. So, you know, my life, the way people, what people think that I'm going through is not what I'm actually going through. And so, you know, I was, I was going through. Just because I don't cry on TikTok does not mean that I'm not in serious pain and fear. You know, I was really, I mean, there were, you know, 10 years where I had a lot of fear. You know, I have a great, great, great family. And my father was like, get your MBA, get your license in real estate and let's go. And so I did. I always love the way that you carry yourself online with your daughters and like little dances and the trends. I think it's inspirational. Oh my God, they're making me feel. I mean, I think that, I think again, like, you know, it's so easy to look at someone and say, you know, they were a model, they must have everything. And there's, you know, there is, there's a real person in here. And I've been through a lot of, you know, things that cost a lot of fear. And I just pushed forward because I had no choice, Nick. You know, I had to break up with a boyfriend that I was really serious about after, you know, season four on, you know, on Real Housewives because I was just was like, I cannot bring this man into, you know, the aftermath. It's just not fair to him. So, you know, like I did so many things looking back that, you know, most people would never do. And I still had to like smile and be like, everything's great. Yeah. Even though like, I'm like teared up inside. Do you find, I mean, I think now that I'm, you know, I'm getting older and I, I think about like things I remember. And so when you think about, when you tell these stories, or you think about, you know, these things you've overcome and your resiliency, do you look like, how do you reflect on those things? Like, do you, do you feel like a sense of pride and purpose? And like, I fucking did that shit. Or, or is it, or is it like, does it, does it, is it still trauma? You know, there, I mean, the trauma always follows you, you know, it always follows you. And someone, when someone says something like when Sonia Morgan talks about, you know, financial repercussions, I'm like, you know, my, my immediate reaction is let's find a solution. What can we do? What can we do? Let's, let's fix it. So that's always follows you. I do try to like lean into possibility. That's just who I am. I mean, you know, in the Midwest, we're not like, we're not there to complain. We're there to like, just make life happen for our families. And I just was raised in a different way. I'm not from New York. So I think people don't understand that. They're like, well, why, how come you have like such a light personality? I'm like, because I'm working really, really hard to provide for my girls. And then I'm late when I am done with all my work. I'm just like, let's have a good time. So I try to, I try to, I try to push the trauma away. I'm like, you trauma, get away from me. The Kelly that we're going to see on Golden Life. Do you think, are we going to see you open up about, you know, and have you kind of share your story about, you know, what you've been up to and some of these resilient things you've done? I mean, we do. We talk about all the things that I've been through and, you know, it's different because I am in such a velocity era in my life. I'm 58 years old. I've been through a lot. I've had a lot of beautiful accomplishments, which I'm very proud of. My girls are healthy, well-educated, and it's just time for me to shine. And I'm really ready for that. And I, I can't, it's weird. Like the other day, someone was like, how old do you feel? I'm like, 24. You, I mean, you have such a, you have a vibrant spirit about you. Thank you. Thank you. How old are your daughters now? You look great. My, oh, thank you. My youngest is 25 and my oldest is 28. So now it's like your time to like live the second life. Yeah. And they're just like this morning, they're on FaceTime. They're like, mom, we love your outfit. You look so great. You know, where, what are you doing? Where are you going? Like go have fun. I mean, they're just so supportive. Which is amazing. I mean, I just, I feel very, very blessed. Do you have any niche parenting advice for me or like daughters? I mean, honestly, Nick, like it's just like, first of all, like I remember we were talking about like the individual, like really focus on that. Like I had no idea that my youngest daughter could play piano by ear. I was just like, oh, let's try this. Try that. Just so expose them to as many things as possible. Sports, music, just really see what they're good at. When they're good at it, you don't have to push them, but just encourage them. They are already, they, once they get the bug, they're going to go for it. I love that. And just allow them to be themselves because you never know in this world, like I've lived so many lives. I'm like, I'm either, I mean, like sometimes I'm like, oh my God, I'm like a cat. Or sometimes I'm like, what? You know, actually I'm like a roach. Like you're never going to get rid of me. Roaches are good sometimes. So just really support the things that they love because it may not be the path that they're going to take, but they can also bring that with them. And that's going to be like their security and what they're, let's say they become a lawyer and they love music. I mean, those are just things that are going to like help them be like a well-rounded human. And I think that's the most important thing. Outside of the life that you're living now, which I'm, I imagine. Was that good advice? No, I guess. No, that was, I was like, no, that's really great advice. Thank you for that advice. No, okay. That is so good. Outside of the season of life that you're in right now, what is maybe one or two of your favorite seasons you've lived when you reflect back on the lives that you've lived? I think shooting the cover of Playboy at 40. That was such a monumental moment for me because I realized that any, you know, weight, age, like it was all relative that like, you know, I was beautiful at 40. And I, you know, my mother, when she was 40, she was getting face lifts and she was very, very beautiful woman. But, you know, she was doing all these things. And I just was like, this is who I am. This is what I look like, you know, with a couple of hair extensions. I was like, this is me. And I was really, it was a really big moment for me. And it made me feel very empowered because I was, I was coming into that very disempowered. I felt very, again, I was fueled by fear. And then that one day I was like, oh, this is what, a beautiful woman looks like for myself. That's awesome. Obviously Playboy has had an interesting life cycle from where it was to where it is now. Like, how do you feel about being a part of that? You know, like where it's gone and, you know, any thoughts on Playboy in general? I mean, I just think there's so many beautiful celebrities that have been on the cover and it's also just fascinating reads. And, you know, I always, I always, as a writer, I mean, I always wanted to have a feature in Playboy and then they're writing about me. I was like, wait a minute, what? No, I mean, it's up there with one of the more iconic labels and names in media. It's just so cool. Well, when I remember when like the models of my generation were on the cover and people were like, that's going to ruin your career. And some people were like, well, you're not gonna be able to do X or you're not gonna be able to do Y because you're on the higher world and people just saw me a different way which was just so I was really exciting yeah that's interesting any other ones I didn't like do the centerfold by the way just for I wasn't going to dive deep in you know in that whole thing I was going to keep it classy so keep it classy I was like did you just do the centerfold I was like no that's great you're you're obviously part of a great group of women any of the women that you were most excited to be working with again were there any nerves with any of the women I just thought you know after ultimate and I appreciate that you saw I loved it thank you he's a huge ultimate girls trip ultimate girls trip was so great and after being on that trip and then being together there's you know all of the four other women I just I just like for different reasons like I love the I love when you can tell Dorinda anything and she'll just give you solid advice I love you know I just love how I was really looking forward to seeing Dorinda that's what that's one of the people I was really looking forward to seeing that's awesome anything you can tease about like a scene that you're really excited to for everyone to see I mean there's just so much Nick honestly like it's where I swear to God it's like it's like the Kelly personal growth show it's like what is Kelly learning today are you still doing luxury real estate yes yes so I I'm licensed in three states I work in New York Florida and California and it was fun on ultimate because I sold the 17 million dollar property and it's just interesting because I was like they're like what are you doing over there I'm like mama's got to make some money and they're like uh-huh we work too I'm like okay whatever this is not a competition and I just sold this mothership this Wallace Cunningham and Encinitas California which is one of the coolest places on earth am I allowed to ask what the commission on that is it was a good commission you were telling me to fight myself no no no it's a nice commission but you know I just I love I love working in real estate not for people are like oh it's just a thing that people like to do now I mean you know I was the editor of all accessories I started Gotham magazine and I've just worked in luxury all my life and kind of and narrated luxury like what luxury lifestyle actually looks like and so now to work in real estate and be able to like show people this is their home this is the car they buy these are the clothes they wear this is how they do their hair this is how they wear their makeup it's just been a really very very interesting new part of my life and I love it I just love it what title that you've had many titles housewife writer mama bear mama bear what titles have have are you most flattered by or mean most to you definitely mama bear okay editor and philanthropist okay those are my big that's really or does housewife fall in you know housewife is just a part of who I am okay it's you know it's like I think that's I mean that's definitely a part but you asked my top three are my girls that makes sense my work as an editor my ability to synthesize information and then obviously being able to help other people help themselves is like you can't just can't take that away and all the things that you're doing do you have time because like you know Roni OG Roni do you have time okay do you have time like I got a lot going on so yeah your answer could be like I got no time for this but like with the with all the lore that like Roni has in general and then you know there's they had the reboot they're doing it again a lot of optimism for this season yes but like do you in your friend groups or with the OG women is there like a group chat where you guys are like kind of talking about like how they just can't cut it like we you know like is there even if it's friendly fire are you guys critiquing how the show has evolved over the years we don't really do that I mean I retired in 2011 so I retired so long ago and then came back a couple of times for for Luann but we don't really talk much about them I'm just you know I'm excited for their success and you know at the end of the day like whether people were you know let go whether put on pause whether they were fired whether they retired like me like I I'm just proud of all these women who put themselves out there I mean it is not for the faint at heart and there's a lot of people that are learning so much living vicariously through these women who are going through a lot it's been really I mean it's incredible so I'm very proud of everyone that goes on reality TV like it's not it's not easy and I think it's so cool to have like you said have been on years ago obviously you've kept up we've kept up with you more accurately through you going on you know shows like Ultimate Girls Trip but it is really cool like you were talking about just like you know when you look at life and how you've changed or how you've grown to be able to be kind of show that and for us to watch it back is it is really cool and nostalgic and yeah so I'm looking forward to it I think what's interesting like after you know when you were on on on Bachelor I was I was working with us weekly and we we watched the show every week and talked about you and one of the things that like resonated was like you were very honest and very open and very real and that's who I have always been I think that that now the viewers who are watching whether they're in they're you know teens whether they're in their 20s 30s 40s people are like oh my god you're so real like you are actually saying what's really going on I'm like oh no no I've been there I've been here just finally people are like wait a minute they want that yeah and so I've just gotten a lot of new founded success from these you know the new generations kind of seeing me for who I always have been I mean I I've evolved I've had a lot of personal personal growth but I'm still that very raw and real human I'm not performative at all I'm not performative I love that I'm like if you don't like it like whatever no like that's not that's not what you're supposed to say I'm like whatever you've been in the public eye for a long time and how us as fans digest pop culture and the discourse you know like you know the internet was different back in the day podcasting exists from your perspective how has it changed is it better is it worse are you in the comments like and how you know are have you had to adjust to the intensity that is like fandom in 2026 you know when we first were on the show it was just Facebook and so you know social media has evolved so much good bad or ugly I think one of the things that's been really great for me is that with the with the fans the trolls friends whatever you want to call them I prefer to call them friends because I think fans is very weird but people who are interested both negative and positive I'm always like tell critique me tell me what you don't like because then I can lean into that I can monetize it but I can also tweak myself maybe learn from what they're saying I mean we you are in a you know you're in a bubble and you're you know under a microscope and people are going to say things like brush your hair I'm like I kind of like my hair screwed up I'm a model like I I hate brushing my hair I've been brushing I've had people brush my hair since I'm 15 years old like I don't want to brush my hair your hair looks great but I but my point is like you know I've been able to monetize on that and also use the criticism to my advantage and I always encourage people to like tell me what you don't like don't tell me what you like tell me what you don't like that's that's work that's work there first that's a great answer if there was ever a world where Roni wanted to bring you or some of the girls back would you be open to it or are you kind of like golden life is the perfect spot I mean I really love where I am I love the ladies I mean I can't wait for you to see the friendships they're just very real and very raw a lot of the girls from Roni they're like why didn't I get to film with you I mean a lot of the girls not just from this season but from the past are like we want to hang out with you because they see me at all these events and you know we do a lot of appearances together and they're just like you're so easygoing and fun like why can't we have fun with you I'm like you can like but right now I'm celebrating you know my friends that we've been friends for a long time but I mean I'm just the kind of person too I have a very I have a like a very wide friend group and there's a lot of different ages and you know I'm just easygoing so a lot of people just can get along with me and for some reason Nick and I don't know why people just when they meet me they just tell me everything and I'm like oh whoa I'm not sure if I'm supposed to know that are you a good secret keeper I'm a very good secret keeper but I just feel like they just want to just talk to me about whatever is going on in their lives and that's why you know it's I mean I'm very flattered well I mean you're an impressive person I imagine like people are drawn to want to like you know what I'm saying to be like you want to impress people you know and clearly there's a warmness there I I think I'm a good listener. one of the things that a lot of the women do that's like very funny is that they're constantly like sending me their like every scene that I'm in they're like I do this I do this I do this I'm like wow that's so great I I'm excited for you I but um I don't do that and I think that because I'm like oh how are you and then they start talking and I think that people I see me in a different way because I'm not trying to compete for the conversation I'm just listening to what they're saying. And I do a lot of listening. This might be a dumb question or maybe like the, it's been asked and answered already, but does this show have the Andy Cohen stamp of approval? Is it in any way competing with Roni? Like how, how, how is it being viewed amongst? So it was interesting. I was at Hetrick Martin in New York and I saw Andy and, you know, he's just like, Kelly, I'm just so proud of you. And I'm so excited for you. And I was like, this is, I really appreciate that so much. And he's always been very, very, very supportive of me and, you know, everything that I've gone through. And he's been really, you know, he was really, really supportive. And I was, I was shocked. I'm not going to lie. I thought he'd be like, oh, bye. But he wasn't. He was like, I'm really happy for you guys. Oh, we love that. That's awesome. That being said, is there any part of, of you or the other ladies that when the show drops are like in the most friendliest way, hoping? Hoping for maybe the fans to be like, see, this was the Roni we've always wanted or something to that effect where like, well, that will feel like a feather in your cap or nah. I definitely think that they're, the fans are going to go nuts. They're going to be like, oh my God, they're, they're back. And they're just who we, they, we love, you know, we are who we are and they loved us back then. And they're going to love us now. I mean, I'm telling you, these fights are like when they, when we fight, they are ferocious, but then they're also beautiful and sexy and fun and spirited. And I mean, it's just, it's the gift that keeps on giving. It's like Christmas. I'm excited. You, uh, you and Bethany Frankel hang much these days. I mean, we were co-stars on a show, so it's not like we like, you know, hung out in the same circles and, um, but you know, I, I always wish her, you know, well, and I want her to have, you know, all the success. What a great PC answer. There you go. Are we leaving anything out, Justin? I'm just excited. I mean, hearing you say that there's also fights, cause in my head, and I think Golden Life is more positive, but I'm glad you guys also sprinkle in a little bit of the, the banter. I mean, it's important. I think, especially when you're at this age, uh, there's a, there's a lot at stake. And I think that's one of the things that really differentiates the Golden Life from Housewives is that, uh, there's a lot at stake. And I think that's one of the things that really is that because we've known each other so long and because like, I'm the outsider kind of like coming back in, there's just so much at stake. And, um, you know, I'm here for friendships. Like I said at the top, like, you know, I've raised my beautiful children and I've had many interesting careers, which I'm still formulating and trying to make better. But my most important thing that I'm focused on right now are my personal friendships. Like that's where that's, if you want to talk about longevity, you talk about friendships. It's not about, you know, your peptides. It's about that, those human connections with real people and where you can, you know, be yourself and you can fail and you can succeed and your friends are there for it. I love that. I, you know, yeah, to Justin's point, like, it's like, I don't know if fans knew what to expect when we saw this, but like the way you talk, I didn't know what to expect. You guys, it sounds like we're all good. Yeah. I'm not, I'm, I'm way more excited after having talked to you about it. I'm telling you, Nick, it's so good. It's just so good. And I'm, you know, I'm like, I'm a writer. So I'm always like, oh, we could have done this. We could have done that. But no, I just was like in it. And I am like every single scene that I walk into, like, I am 100% ready to go. And, you know, like I always am like, just ready here for it. Is there someone that should have been a part of Golden Life that wasn't a part of it? I think there's a lot. What you're going to see on the show is that there's a lot of new faces, which is really fun to see. And how they navigate is interesting. Okay. But there's, you know, the good news about the Golden Life is that we are ready to include all new women who are doing interesting things and, just want to, you know, just to celebrate this era of our lives. Will your love life in any capacity be featured on this show? Well, you know, my love life has been a very interesting topic of conversation. I called off my wedding four days before I was supposed to get married. It was just about a prenup. And I, you know, it's like, I just, I'm the daughter of a lawyer and I, my father just passed and I had to, you know, organize some of my finances. And I asked my then fiance to sign a prenup. And he just didn't want to. And, you know, it was, it was a blessing because it's not that he's a bad person. He's just not my lobster, Nick. He's just not. So no regrets, no regrets. No. And I, I mean, I obviously loved, I loved his mother. I thought his mother was so beautiful. Like my, both of my parents had died and she was such a beautiful human. And, you know, I, I obviously feel badly because I loved her, but it was, it was the, you know, it's like you say, like in your book, don't text your ex happy birthday. Like you have to draw the line. You have to draw the line. And I did do that. And then I got this podcast with I Heart Radio called I Do Part Two, which is so super successful. And we talk about finding love and love lost and all the tools in your tool belt about how to like navigate that next chapter. And it's been really, really also super helpful to me. And I think that's why the Golden Life being on the show was actually easier for me because I've been doing the work. I've been, you know, I've been, you know, raising my kids, doing all these things, and now I'm doing all the personal work. And so, um, when my Prince Charming comes, he's gonna come in hot. He's coming in hot. So will it possibly be a part of the season? I mean, I go on some dates. Okay, great. And I talk about, you know, my guys and my fun. And, um, you know, right before I went on the show, I broke up with a guy again. This is like, I broke up with a guy right before I went on the show because I was like, I'm not going to bring him in if we're not going to go take, go to that next level. Yeah. Then I, um, then I can't bring him, you know, with me on my journey. And I mean, like, come on, that's hard. I break up with one because he's because it's because of, you know, bravo and what was going to happen. And then I break up another one because I'm like, this guy isn't going to be able to like go the mile. Come on. You deserve love. I know. Are you currently in a relationship? Can you say? I'm not currently in a relationship. Um, but who knows me? Maybe my, maybe after this, I'll be on like in The Bachelorette. Who knows? There you go. Would you be the next Golden Bachelorette if they ever figure their shit out? I think I'm a little young. You are? Cause I'm only 58. So, um, but I would a hundred percent. I'd be great at that. Can you imagine? He would be fantastic. I also, I think 58 is a great age for that. It is. I know they went like, I know they went older. Um, but that it's a great golden era is pretty broad. Especially to like women in their fifties. Like everybody, since I was on the podcast, we started talking about women in their fifties and dating. And there's just been so much conversation about it. And there's so much, what I feel like is funny is that I, I have this theory. So I'm going to, I'm going to ask you about it. Do you, or do you not eat a turkey sandwich on a Saturday and get it from a deli? Do I some, yeah. There you go. So it's my hot guy theory is that hot guys go to delis and they order two turkey sandwiches. And so basically what I did is I created this question. Okay. So the women in their fifties, instead of saying how terrible men are, they're asking men, what kind of turkey do you like? Do you like avocado? Are you a mustard guy? So all of a sudden the narrative is changing because they have, they're, they're, they're, they have a conversation where a guy is like, I'll talk about my turkey sandwich all day long. Whereas women are like, men, don't do this. And men don't do that. I'm like, guys, like, why don't you just ask them the question? Like, why don't you just get to know? You're just finding common ground. I love it. But guys are like, they go into my DMs, Nick, and they're like, I like a turkey sandwich. I'm like, oh my God, this is a whole layer. So my turkey. Sandwich theory. Well, yeah, if you, I imagine if you're out there publicly giving like, um, advice, how to start a conversation, you're going to get, they're going to hit you up. They do. They're like, I'm ready for it. What's your type? Um, let's see. So like five, like, you know, six foot dark. Cause I'm dark. I mean, I'm today, I'm blonde, but normally I'm like dark hair, just kind of like athletics, really smart, funny. Okay. Good person. And someone that doesn't talk badly about their ex. That's like the line in the sand. If you talk badly about your ex, I can't have a conversation with you. Do you have professional preferences? They just have to be a professional. you know, I'm educated and I want to be with someone that like wants to learn and be curious and do fun stuff. I don't want to be with a guy that's like grow together. Yeah. And I don't want a fan. Like I, I mean, I know a lot of our, of our, of my friends, you know, date guys that are like, love the housewives, but I don't want that. Oh, well, can I ask you that? I have this theory that, you know, how like sometimes, you know, you've heard that, you know, term like Jersey chaser or something like that, where a girl like, well only like, you know, she's going for the jerseys. Yeah. I've always had this theory that like in housewives, they're like, they're, they're a housewife chasers. And they're like men who are like, and I feel like Orange County, it's like a thing at the gym with the bros of like, can they land a housewife? And do you feel like that's like a thing? Do you, have you seen that? I, yes, I have seen it a lot. I've had guys be like, that's great. I love what you're doing. I'm like, oh really? How much do you love that? Tell me more about how much you love what I'm working on. Oh, that's great. I like guys that are like, I don't care. I don't want to be in the press. Like you do you. I'm like, great. That's like, that's, those are the kinds of guys I like. Yeah. You're not, you're not interested in the guys who are wondering how much spotlight you can give. If any guy that I ever dated wanted to be in a scene with me, I would say we are no longer dating. Yeah. That just doesn't work for me. This is my life. This is how I make money. Like, this is my, that's, you know, I don't want them to do that. I mean, I can talk about them and I can talk about their flaws on the internet, but they're not coming in. Nick's like, that's not fair. Life isn't fair, Nick. Life isn't fair. But best piece of dating advice. I'm a housewife. It's all about me. No, I'm kidding. Best piece of dating advice you've had to implement yourself. Not be concerned about myself, but be interested in them. Okay. Like I think a lot of women go in and start like just trauma bonding with men. And it's just not the vibe. Like, I don't want to trauma bond with a man. I want to, I want to learn from them. What do you mean by learn from them? I want to, you know, learn everything like what they're doing. That's different than I am, how they are in business, like what they're, you know, whatever it is. Like I want to learn from them. I don't want to be the one teaching or providing or that's, I don't want to do that. That makes sense. You've got a lot of like ultimatums. It's like you said one line is the other. You got high standards. I mean, I get what you know, you're, you make a lot, you're making a lot of sense. You know, it's just like, I, you know, I come from a good family and I just want that for, I want that for my relationship too. Well, yeah. And I think, you know, it's like in relationships, you have to find your equal on whatever level you have a lot going on. And to your point, if like someone was just like, Hey, you got a lot going on. Can you spare some of that for me? Cause you know, I'm pretty available. Um, that would, that's as hard. To make that work. That would not work. And it doesn't work. And like, even like I've tried it, I've tried to like date men who were like, you know, doing X, Y, or Z. And then when it's like, this is, I'm like, this is not the vibe. It's not working. They're asking, they're always like, what are you doing? I'm like, just working. Oh, really? It's like, how about like, when can I meet you? Or when can I, when can I like, right. Like when, what are you doing later? Let me know. Like, okay, fine. You're working. Great. I'll see you. What age range are you dating? So I used to be like, you know, like late forties to like 50, you know, fifties and sixties because I was like, okay, that's, but then now I'm like, you know, maybe I should go older. So I talked to my friend Sutton yesterday and I was like, Sutton, I'm, I'm up in the age. It's like 72, like the Sutton. I was like, cause we're, we're really close. And I was like, I'm just upping in my age. Like it's 72. It's like, cause there's a lot of guys out there who are super successful. It's probably, you know, they're taking the peptides are in good shape. They're smart. They're, they've, you know, led a great life. And like, why can't I date someone a little bit older too? I don't think that the same age isn't really working for me. Yeah. I think, well, I think that's the beauty as you get older, you, you can, as long as you invest in yourself and you keep, keep yourself attractive to the masses, then you have, then you have the opportunity to decide for yourself. And open up your, you know, I think there's like one common thing that I, that I hear a lot is women saying, well, these guys, they don't want to date. They're like Kelly. They don't want to date you. Cause you're 58. They want to date a 28 year old Michael. That's my daughter. So that's awkward. And I said, that's actually not the truth because they can date younger. Men can date younger and women can date younger too, but I don't want to date a 30 year old. I'm sorry. Like, it's just not, it's not like they don't know anything about the love boat. They don't know anything about fantasy Island. It has to be some kind of common ground. What's that? What's what's a show in an era of, uh, bringing back shows and remaking shows. What w there is there a show you would want to remake? Oh my God. Love vote. Are you kidding me? Love vote. Is that it? Oh my God. Fantasy Island. Dead love. Green Acre. Oh my God. I kind of felt like I was a little bit on Green Acres when I was filming. I was like, where am I in Florida? That'll do it. I was like, wait a minute. Why am I in this pink dress in this world? What's going on here? I was like, what is happening? Uh, when's it come out? Life is good. Nick life is good. Life is good. There's so much possibility. You know what I mean? Like when, when is it air? It airs October 20th. Are you ready? I'm jacked now. Yeah. I don't know what to expect, but you've really, there you go. Yeah. Me convinced Kelly has been so much fun. Thank you for coming on the best. Congrats on the kidlets. And, um, when the show's out complete, just come back and have some fun with us. You, uh, you're fun to talk to. Oh my God. I got a lot to say. I don't know. I'm excited. Yeah. Well, you know, I'm sure we'll start watching. You'll, you know, you'll get in some mess, come back out and, and clean up the mess with us and, and we'll have some fun. All right. And season two. Yeah. And season two, let's go. Yeah. I mean, it's just so exciting. I remember speaking to the producer and she's like, you're my first choice. And I was like, what? I was like, I'm your first choice. She's like, yeah. She's like, people need to know who you are. I was like, whoa. Let's get this party started. Let's do it. Uh, Kelly, you're the best. That was my happy dance. I'm happy with you. It's the show's the golden life. It's airing, uh, October. You said 20th? Uh, on E. Yeah. Let's go. Kelly. Uh, it's been fun having you on. You're an absolute delight. You're an icon. Uh, we're excited to see this season. Thanks for coming on. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Take care. Bye. Bye. All right. Well, that will do it for today's episode. Thank you to our guest, Kelly Ben Simone. We appreciate her. We appreciate all of you guys for listening. We'll be back tomorrow to talk Dancing with the Stars, Roni, and a lot more. See you then. Bye-bye. Bye. Bye.