E1202 - Wonka's Golden Ticket WINNER Gabrielle, Kelly Clarkson Saga, RHOSLC & RHOC

(upbeat music) - What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Volphiles Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host Nick, joined by my wonderful gorgeous sexy wife, Nally, and partner in crime, Nally Joy. - Yes, of course. We're also joined by the gorgeous and the sexy Jimmy. (laughing) - Just sexy. - Hey, hey, baby. - How are you? - Oh good, how are you? - We're tired, Jim. We're tired. - Yeah, we're surviving over here. - You guys had a rough one? You guys-- - Honestly, honestly, parenting is kicking our ass right now. - We're in a season of just some difficultness with having three under three. - Yeah, it's like when we had our first, when we had our first, you know, we had them in parents. We were like, didn't know what to expect. River showed up. - Everything was new. - Had its challenges, but we're like, you know what, we can do this. This is one, you know? - Easy. - Yeah, it wasn't all that bad, you know? - Looking back, easy. - Easy. And then like, you know, find out we're having twins, a little scary, you know? Obviously, the twins showed up. At first, it was like, okay, that's so bad. - They're just eating, so you know? - We're just eating, sleeping, you know? We're thankfully had a lot of help, you know? Early on? - No longer sleep. - We haven't sleep the whole night in three months. And I think it's like, we're in the seat, like Natalie said, we're in a season of like holy shit. It's just like, you know, we're bustin' our ass. It's also just like, we're both doing so much and I think it's just really easy for, like, I imagine that a lot of parents out there who've done this journey before, where it's just like you're both doing so much and it's just like you both can feel like unappreciated at times because like you're just running on fumes, you know what I'm saying? And it's just like, you're, it's like what I did this. Well, I did that, you know? And it's just like, it's just like, it's a lot, you know? And the kids are all gonna have to be like, thanks. - No, and it's, yeah. And being a parent, like, we've talked about this, one of the most rewarding things and I thought about this over the weekend. It's also just like pretty thankless, you know? - Yeah. - But it's like-- - But also, I was, I got the opportunity to go to the grocery store by myself. The other day. - I love that, you guys like rejoicing those moments of like who gets along for those periods. - Yes, we all tornado, like why I got to go yesterday, so I guess you can go today. - Right person who gets to go next time. - Yeah, literally. But on my way there, I was just like thinking about obviously just this season that we're in and how we're kind of we're struggling a lot. And I was like, not wishing for it to go by, but kind of was. Also, you know, I was like, wow, I just like, when they're a little older, it would be so much easier. And then I found myself feeling so guilty for thinking that because I'm like, they're this small for this day and here I am being like-- - I'm glad you did that. - So are you. - Yeah, so-- - You don't feel that way? - I can't wait for these fuckers to go to school. - Yes, not because now, 'cause like Rivers in preschool, and it's three days a week and she doesn't have school today. Oh my God. - When you're like, there's no flight school. What the fuck, you know, and you're like, you're mad at the school, like, what's going on? Why don't they have school? Yeah, it's hard. Parenting is hard, guys. Don't do, I'm kidding. Well, you skipped, you skipped the step. Y'all went from one to immediately three. Like, you know, buffer, yeah. - Yeah, and like-- - But I can't believe you don't want. Like, and then I kept seeing all these pictures of River. And River was like four months and five months and six months. And I was like, oh my gosh, like, she's so delicious. And I remember that time so vividly. And it's obviously because I didn't have any other kids. I didn't have any other responsibilities. She was like my only priority. So it was like all of my attention went to her all the time. And now, not only do I have to split between Dev and Iris, I also have to split between River. - I think it's because we don't have any real efficient way to communicate with the twins. Like, crying and like, like, and I grab one of the babies and they calm down and you can, you know, that's the closest I get to feeling like I'm communicating with them where I feel like they feel me. That's great. But the newborn cry is our wonderful Dr. Curry mentioned when we had a chance to interview with her. It like breaks your fucking brain. It's like a drill in your head. And they're like, when you're trying to put the twins down and then like one cries, you have one going to sleep and then the other one cries and it's back and forth. Like those moments are just excruciating. And I can't wait for that cry to go away. There's, I don't know what, at what age, it's like, does something about the newborn cry? It's just a little different. And even like, I don't forget when I forget when River, I think it was like, like around five or six months that you can tell like they're communicating a little bit with gestures or even grunts. And that just, to me, makes it a lot easier. We're now, it's just like, just these screams. And it's just painful. And it's just like, they don't scream that much. Are you trying to get rid of my baby fever? It's working. - Yeah, he's really like, they don't scream that much. - No, they don't. We have, they're really good babies. But when they do scream, it's hard. - At what age are they old enough to like emote and like, like respond to like facial interaction? - Well, they're trying to smile now. - I know, which is cool. - Yeah, they are smiling. - They make a face and they laugh. - Yeah, they're recognizing like us and the people that they see all the time, you know, like my mom, they'll be crying and then I'll go over and like, look at them and smile. And then they smile really big. And it's like, oh, you know I'm your mom, you know me. - Are there like things they like? Like, like, my brother will sing one song to my nephew and like, he just like, he enjoys it. He'll be like, bounce a little bit. - Well, that's, oh, River's singing a lot now. But River also like recently, I just feels like recently she's hit this era of like, like, I want this, like repeating what she wants until you give it to her. Pick me up, pick me up, pick me up, pick me up, pick me up, pick me up, pick me up, pick me up, it's just like, oh my God. (laughs) Like, would you get that personality? - Oh my God, it's, anyways, it's kicking our butt lately. And I just, I know we say a lot of great things about being parents and we talk about how much we love it. And I just want to acknowledge. - We still love it. - We still love it. But for all the parents who roll their eyes at us because, you know, they probably were listening at us being like, oh, we just love being parents. Meanwhile, their kids, River's probably like, hitting them over the head with something. And the other kid was like screaming and crying and asking for things. We hear you, we see you, and we feel you over the weekend. - Yeah. - Yeah, I'm sure that's like a never ending kind of journey just like the highs and lows of parenting and just navigating all that. I faith in y'all. - In the midst of struggling this weekend, Kelly Clarkson really made my day. Did you see this? - Let's get into it, yes. - For anyone who hasn't seen many people have, Carly Clarkson, and I just, she went shopping in Brooklyn and she went into a store and she didn't feel like she was treated appropriately. And she went to X, she went to Twitter. Like the old school days of, you know, what Twitter was there for where you had a bad experience and you would just complain about it on Twitter. Well, Kelly Clarkson did this. And it created quite a funer storm. And then she started going back and forth with the store online. She wanted this piece of art, this wooden clock or this bird or something? Like a bird thing. Do we have it? - This is a singing bird. - It was a singing bird. - It was a $15,000. She wanted it. It reminded me of that recent thing I had with that I am the asshole when I went pants shopping and I bought a pair of pants with a broken zipper and I tried to return it. And they gave me hell. I just feel like everyone helped for that? I think every once in a while, like it just feels good to complain about the lack of customer service you receive. The only problem with Kelly Clarkson, she's just like ultra famous and has a massive following. So no doubt, like her followers, then I attack the store. Do we have the tweets? - We do. - So Kelly Clarkson went into the store wanting to buy something. - So she, Kelly Clarkson takes to Twitter and she says, just drove all the way to Brooklyn to check out the store. I thought looked really rad. And had a few things in mind to buy and literally was looked at as if I couldn't afford it and was told he could find something comparable for me. Wow, dude, you're an idiot and you just lost a huge sale. But y'all should go check out Art of Play in Brooklyn. If you enjoy being treated like Julia Roberts character and pretty woman, for sure, check it out. Thumbs down. - Like she named the store. I didn't realize she was that pointed with it. - She was that pointed. - No, she was like, this is the store. - The store then responds. - Internet, do your work, she said. - Oh God, Kelly. - And they did. That mean that she chose violence. - The store then responds and says yesterday, Kelly Clarkson visited us in Brooklyn and inquired about buying Molly, a one of a kind singing and dancing bird automation who plays on an important role in the magic shows we host here. Molly is permanently attached to the wall and isn't for sale. However, the negative experience Kelly described on Twitter would resonate with anyone who has ever felt judged in a shop at Art of Play, whether someone comes in to make a purchase or simply look around for a while, they are equally welcome. We greet everyone who walks in the door with an invitation to pick things up and play. And they do. Many stay for hours enjoying our puzzles, games, and toys. Imagine our surprise when our small local business was suddenly attacked by eight million people who have never visited our store. It's been a surreal experience to be the focus of such widespread outrage after just one mention by celebrity. Thanks to all of our friends for their support and welcome all the curious folks who have discovered us amidst the drama, we're going to keep our heads down and hopefully we can clear things up with Kelly someday. As a talented, popular singer once said, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. They also chose violence, they were like low-key and gray with smiles, they both fucking go to war. As a talented, popular singer once said, what doesn't kill you makes you strong. So they know it was her in there. That's what's crazy. Or maybe they just fell right out. They don't necessarily know at the time, at the time, but once she tweeted about it. I guess. Yeah. Within Kelly responds to that. Yeah, no, she had to follow up. She responds with cool, cool, sure. It wasn't for sale. That's the narrative art of play is going to go with. So the whole conversation we had when I asked you if it was for sale while pointing to the price tag hanging on the wall with the title Singing Bird, did it happen as you elevator eyed me saying in a condescending tone, yes, it's for sale, but it costs $15,000. So if you'd like for me to find something more comfortable for you, I can. That's all, that all never happened. And now it's not for sale. Okay, cool. So you're not only rude, you're also a liar, got it. And by the way, I obviously support small businesses because I was literally at a small business trying to purchase things. I love small businesses and know they are important and I always support them. You don't get a free pass to treat people less than in your store just because you are a small business. It's not that hard to be kind. I never blast people, but my friend, you were an exception. Your store is really cool. Unfortunately, you aren't. Was the owner the one there? I have no idea. She did not. I'm guessing it's not. Yeah. I'm guessing it was like the problem with these stores is what the employees probably because they don't give a fuck, you know, yeah. When I got that pair of jeans in the zipper broke like the next day and I tried to exchange it. And they were, they literally like we can just buy another pair of jeans, we can't help. There's no one here that can facilitate a return. And I was like, what are you talking about? Yeah. No, it was a whole thing. Somebody's got to. No, I ended up having, I just got the zipper fixed eventually. They gave me an email address to, and I'm like, I'm not writing another email. Like whatever. It was crazy. No, but like, there's a sometimes when you go like, I, listen, I, Kelly was probably wrong for tweeting about this because of remass of following because like, because the fall back for small businesses. I think Kelly Clarkson and people like Kelly Clarkson, he's the whole Kevin Durant thing in the NBA. Like, he attacks journalists. Like, he doesn't give a fuck. What is Kevin Durant? Like, if you, oh, he will go back and forth on the internet, like, he will argue the day ends, like, you're Kevin Durant. Have you ever complained about a, have you ever used your social media to complain about an experience shopping? I've never slandered somebody and used like my platform to like make you go viral and like tear someone down. I just feel, I just wouldn't feel good. I do feel like there is a difference when it's big corporations, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. That's different. That's definitely different. But I also understand, like, first of all, Kelly has put this place on the map. Now, it's going to be like a tourist stop in Brooklyn. It's going to be like, let's go to the place. I'm going to go to Brooklyn. I definitely want to go check out. You want to go see? Yeah. That's the Katie argument. Like, you're actually giving these people a platform, like, so you're kind of giving them what they want. As long as they handle the backlash appropriately. Who do you guys believe? I believe Kelly. I believe Kelly Clarkson, but I just feel like, you know, you could arose above that. There is a price tag on it. Yeah. I believe, I kind of believe Kelly, but it's just like you're, you're Kelly fucking Clarkson, you know, like, just call the owner of some shit. There's a photo on the internet with the, like, singing bird and the price tag next to it. Oh, the price tag's been verified. The price tag has been verified by the sleuths. Also, if you're a Brooklyn, if you're like a Brooklyn trinket shop selling, or not trinket shop, but like vintage, whatever store selling things for $15,000, you're probably kind of annoying. And like Kelly Clarkson, do your thing. Yeah. I'm like, not, I'm not really mad at Kelly for this. A lot of it's people are very divided. Of course they are. Yeah. I feel divided like in my own head because like, I just think when you're that much of an a-lister, you have that much money, that much just like, like, you have that much gravity and like, your words hold that much weight. You probably could have handled it privately, if you really can't that much about it. And in that moment, like, and we met Kelly once when we did our show, nicest person in the world, but like, I'm sure Kelly can want every, you know, probably in the store. There's a good chance no one recognized her, right? I mean, you know, Saturday afternoon, puts a hat on, just, I'm sure there's times where she like can like live a normal life is all I'm saying, right? And I just like, when you have that experience when you're trying to shop and you feel that rudeness from people, when you feel that like, I don't give a fuck about you and that cond ascension and that kind of like, and you just, and you're trying to be nice and you're just trying to have a good experience. And like, you know, like, you know, Kelly knows that she's a somebody. She almost probably feels like she can't do anything, right? She's probably even very careful about like how she acts in public because she wants to live a normal life. You know, because she doesn't want people to think, you know, oh, Kelly Clarkson here, she goes again, you know, type of thing. And she was very much a human in this experience. She wasn't famous Kelly Clarkson. She was just like, she was just like the pissed off like woman on Facebook. She probably wasn't even thinking about her eight million followers. She just like wanted you guys might be winning me over right now. I actually, I'm really starting to hear this because then it's like, so I just have to rise above everything I can never, I always have to be the bigger person. Yes. I kind of hear that argument. Yeah. And when you're just, and someone's just like, you know, like when I went and like, try to exchange those pants, like, you know, at the end of the day, it's not the end of the world, right? But it was more like, I just bought, I spent money here. I just, I want pants that I can wear. And they like, when they refuse to help you because they gave you some bullshit excuse and like they can't do this, like they don't want to help you. When you feel someone who doesn't want to help you and it's their only job to help you and they're just being a prick about it, like there's just something that just enrages you. I don't know. It becomes so quickly not about the pants or the magic bird and just more about like the principles. Yeah. I mean, that's like, that's the Kevin Durant. He's like, just because I'm the famous basketball player doesn't mean I'm not a regular person. I want it. I like to talk shit. I talk shit. I'm going to talk shit. I don't care who you are. I don't care what you think of me. They're also trying to position it as like, oh, she only spent five minutes in the store, like, she just like walked in and then walked out and she literally said in her official statement that she or the original statement was that she saw some things that looked rad. So I feel like she saw the singing bird and was like, I need to get this. I know exactly who's going to love it. She goes in. They're like, yeah, you can't afford it. And she's like, okay, I'm going to Twitter and walks out. I would you spend any more time in there when someone is like, not being nice to you. Now, how long do you have to look around? Well, I'm sure she's a person who knows what she likes. Is it like security camera footage or like a body camera footage we can like? Oh my God. I'm sure this story is going to drop. I want to hear the condescension. We'll never see it. We'll never see it. If this door thinks they're right, it'll come out. But if Kelly Clarkson is telling the truth, we'll never see it. But you know, the price tag is on the damn thing. And their first thing out of the gate to defend themselves was it wasn't for sale. And to position her is like this out of touch celebrity who thinks she's entitled to everything including things that aren't for sale. If you're the store, how do you spend this narrative in your favor though? If you're who? If you're the store, how do you recover from this? If you are on the wrong, if you're the store, how can you spend this narrative in your favor? Well, I think there was another. I think they responded to Kelly's response. Do we have that? 'Cause remember on Love Island when Goll and Jen got into the beef and like, nobody was going to buy coffee at Goll. So then anybody named Jen got free coffee at Goll's coffee shop. 'Cause there's some shit like that they can do. Yeah, but it would require Kelly to want to like, you know, break bread with them. I do think that this store, it's like she want to break bread. The store is going to be fine. It's going to be like, they didn't, she didn't attack the small business to where people are like, never going to step foot in it anymore. People are going to be like, let's go see the fucking bird that Kelly Clarkson wanted to buy. And now the store is going to be so busy. Like, unless, I don't know how much like, Yelp reviews and Google reviews matter. Tell us about this. Definitely not anymore. Do people still read reviews on like, Google and Yelp? And it fucked up the, the scan of all Vanderpunk restaurant number. They're Yelp reviews like went down and tried. No, I know that. That's why I wrote up 'cause I remember them talking about that, but how much of that actual, it also became like a tour or a subtraction though. Yeah. And then all publicity really fucking is good publicity, huh? You know? Yeah. There was another post that they responded to Kelly. We'd like to clarify some additional tea too. Oh, yeah. No, they would like to clear it, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It's a Brooklyn curiosity shop, which I think is what you need to know about it. I'm going to see that right off the bat, they already kind of sound like elitists. Yeah. You know, again, it's a Brooklyn curiosity shop. Curiosity shop. You've already pissed me off. Yeah. Okay. Once again, I feel the same way about the pants. As I do this, everyone's the asshole in this situation, but I ride for Kelly. So, all right, during the five minutes she spent in the store, she inquired about our mechanical bird puppet in Molly. We explained that while Molly is permanently attached to the wall and serves as a de facto mascot for our shop, a nearly identical automation is owned by the creator of the machines, a brilliant artist named Blist Cold, who lives in Seattle. He told us he would be willing to part with Molly's twin for $15,000. We explained all of this to Kelly Clarkson. - But she was only in there for five minutes. Apparently, we also offered to show her a different singing bird automation made by a traditional clockmaking shop in Germany that she could have taken home with her that day. Why doesn't it have a price tag? $2,000. She did not stick around long enough to see it. We've reached out to Kelly to directly to try and clear the air. We really do wish her the best and hope that someday we can all laugh about this much understanding. Girl, I'm already laughing. Yeah. And it's, I'm a team, a misunderstanding is why does it have a price tag if it's not for sale? I mean, they said it's the basic replica of, I'm like, yeah, why don't you just give the replica away then? No, but the thing that she wanted that's on the wall. Yeah, they sent a phone. Has a price tag. Yeah, Molly's twin was for $15,000. That's her twin. They said Molly needs to stay, but Molly's twin can go for sale. What did Molly have the price tag on it or not? In the photo I saw on the internet, which has been verified by other people on the internet. So you know, it's true. There was a price tag next to a very cute bird automation that said, Molly, $15,000. It's singing bird. And the curiosity shop is now claiming that's Molly's twin. So of course they are. Now they're scrambling. Now they're all liars. They're also like, oh, there's an artist in Germany by the name of the resides in Seattle. You're talking too much. You're, you're, you're given too much nonsense. And like, I don't care about any of that. You know, and I think they're trying to like distract from the facts of the story. Yeah, she walked in. She saw the Molly on the wall. She saw the price tag. She clearly had a conversation with the person at the store. They're like, I don't think this is for you. Let's, as they said, let's, here's a, here's a cheaper option, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that's where you get the, the pretty woman comparison. I'm Tim Kelly. I'm Tim Kelly. I also just think it's like, it's, I'm joined at a time. This is way better drama than the drama that we see on the internet these days. I also love a woman standing up for herself. This really is about Miss Antony. This at the end of the day is so true. You know what? And at the end of the day, it is. And I'm team woman always. So I want one of like the worker employees do like a TikTok tell all and give her side of it as like, I'm sure that's what's coming next. It won't really went down. That's what I need. I want to Vanderpump rule show of art of play. I'd never want that works there. All right. Well, dancing with the stars is tonight. It's another jam packed episode with some great people still on the show. Sierra went home last week. That was a bit of a surprise. We're going to miss her fits. That was crazy. I definitely does not expect that at all. Well, who do we predict is going home tonight? Do you think? Yeah, what does Call She say? Bro, Call She has Tyler Cameron, 40% of how it's going home. What? I want to bet against it. Yeah, they got. Really? Tyler Cameron most likely to give voted off. And then second is Jack Olson and then Guillermo. And I love Guillermo. I'm his biggest fan. But as a betting man self-initally, I'm putting my bread on Guillermo going home. Respectfully. Guillermo love your way. They think Tyler, where are the odds? So if I bet the public does. Yeah, so that basically because the public makes the prediction. So it's like who's who you're voting for basically? I don't know how Call She does it, right? But the odds are based off of other votes or other predictions. So most people think Tyler's going home. I guess I just like, I understand Guillermo, but I feel like everyone is so mad that Sierra went home over Guillermo that like, are they still they still think he's going to. So yeah, it's Tyler with a 40% Jackson Olson, 28%. So Call She doesn't make the odds. It's the the wisdom of the crowds sentiment where like the public votes on who they think. And then they the odds, you know, just naturally develop from there. So just the public, everybody that tunes in and dance with the stars. Group think that it's going to be Tyler Cameron going home. Why do you think the public's not the vibing with Tyler? I don't know. I think maybe it's just such a star. It's just such a great cast that it's like, I think everyone's just struggling. And maybe he's, I don't know. What's a week is this? Is this week seven? I don't want to read into it. I don't want to read too much into like the genders here, but like a girl just went home last time. Maybe they think a guy's going to go. Yeah, that's of the guy smart Tyler Jackson. So wait, we had Sierra this week. And then the week before was Giata. That's two women. And then before Giata, it was. Sarah Jane. It's always been Sarah Jane Nader. And we're on week five. So week five, not a guy out there. It's got to be a guy, but it can't be Tyler. It can't be Tyler. Well, my boy got to show up. What's the theme for tonight? Conor Super Bowl. You can you can protect Kyle. He's definitely a lock. He's a football player. Right. He's not going home after this. Hey, the public doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about. Wait, this week is a football. It's a Super Bowl. It's like Super Bowl performances. So it's like they get a whoever's, they get like an artist from Shakira at the Super Bowl. His football background actually has zero effect on his performance. But Tyler's got to make it to the, he's got to make it to the dedication week. That's like nine, right? Yeah. Last night, we're sitting at the dinner table. We're eating supper and River randomly says, Uncle Tyler has to come to my birthday party. And I was like, what? And she's like, yeah, my birthday party. He's not, I just, let me just play the audio. It's just a mandatory RSVP. Listen, also dedication night is week six, by the way. It's week six. So it's week five. So if he makes it this week, then he can make it to next week for dedication. Oh my gosh. We gotta get Tyler to next week. Wait, listen to what River said last night. My birthday party coming up. Uncle Tyler's going to come see your birthday party. Yeah, it'd be so fun. What about it? Tape. And Tape. Can she come too? I'm Tape now coming here. She's not coming here. Why? Well, she's not coming to my birthday, so. She's not coming to your birthday. Uncle Tyler, Uncle Tyler, my birthday. Like out of nowhere, we're just talking about Uncle Tyler out of birthday. See, y'all can't tell me what y'all said earlier than play that and expect the baby fever to not come back. Like, no, we may be lower kids. Yeah, you know, everyone's normal. It was adorable. She bought the ex Tyler out of her life. He doesn't show up to her birthday party. I sent it to him and he was like, wins her birthday party. And I was like, February. And he was like, oh, okay. We have time. I'm like, yeah. She's a diva already. It's like, yeah, you better be there. Better not miss my birthday. It's so cute. We also, I'm looking at, I'm looking at Kalshi on the dance with the stars. The three people leading in terms of who people on Kalshi think are going to win is Ezra, Mara, and Harry. Harry with a 12% chance. Mara with a 12% chance. And Ezra, 56% chance to win. We all knew Ezra was going to win. And the public does no ball in this one. Thank you. Have you seen the way the odds fluctuated too? Like the spike in Harry Shum. And then Ezra just-- Oh, I remember Glenn at 10% as well, another Olympian. Oh, that's a dark horse bed. She's only at 10%. Hey, I might throw a honey bun on that. The craziest thing just dropped. Let me guess. Okay, yes. A new Drake album. You'll never guess, actually. So, but I would love for you to try not a new Drake album now. The GTA game. GTA 6. Think illegal. And actresses. I don't know. Did a real house arrest it? Someone got arrested. Like, money laundering, scandal. Somebody got arrested. Jason, is that actress? Actress. Selma Blair. That's where her. Yes. Isn't she? She gets arrested after allegedly biting a flight attendant trying to open the plane door. Isn't she fighting MS? She bit a flight attendant? In the dispatch audio obtained by TMZ, officials requested medical personnel at the gate after reports of minor injuries, including bloody nose and bite marks. Blair was arrested and taken to the hospital for evaluation, where she remains as of this post. The FBI is currently investigating the incident. The audio notes. The disruptive passenger apparently bashed her head against a bulkhead with law enforcement waiting when the plane landed. Selma Blair. Where's the sheet? She's in cruel intentions. Yeah, legally gone. Hellboy. Yeah, and she's an MS remission. We're told the actress attempted to open the aircraft door while the plane was in the air Sunday on its way to JFK airport, leading to a confrontation with crew members. She tried to open the door while in the air. So she must have had some kind of her team has responded saying that Selma experienced a medical emergency that led to the alleged conduct upon landing. She received immediate medical attention and is currently in a stable condition. It's unclear what caused the medical emergency or whether Selma could face any criminal charges. Scary. Well, I hope she's okay. Very scary. Very scary for everyone. Yeah, well, you're on a flight and that's happening. And you hear a chaos. Like, that would be terrifying. Yeah, actually, that's my biggest fear. I feel like flying so much. You just kind of take for granted. Take quick nap. You wake up and you get there. As you be woken up to that kind of panic. But every time I went on a plane and I see another pilot like walk on who's like just like hopping a flight. But they're not the pilot. I'm always seeing a little. better. Yeah, that happens. We got some backup. Don't be sleeping. Don't be napping. We got some adults. We got a so ready. No, seriously. I always I always clock that. Well, speaking of actresses, we have Elizabeth Banks set to play Karen Reed in the new I in the new true crime series. I mean, I'm kind of I like haven't really fast. Don't we think? What do you mean? Like this turnaround was just so fast, the way that I just I guess. I got to give the people what they want. I got to get their money's worth. Do we know where this is? Is this a lifetime thing? Is it funny? Elizabeth Banks. Claire is. Oh my god. She's on 30. Yeah. She's playing this like a serious case. I wonder what angle that that show will take? Will they make her out to look like she did it or or not? You know? It's eight episodes on prime video scripted drama series. Well, Elizabeth said she grew up in Massachusetts and like so many people there. We watched this case divided families, friends, and entire towns. How do you want them to position Karen Reed in the show? Well, as she is innocent, of course. Do you think they will? You know, I think they'll they're going to give a divisive show and make people also argue. When does it set it there? Okay. There's no official date. Okay. Okay. We would have to wait. Have we heard from Karen Reed at all? Like is she done any interviews or she been out there? What's she up to these days? I don't follow her personally, but I do think she's kind of like I think she had to move out of Boston. Like she was getting recognized too much. We have a great show lined up for you. We have the recently banished Sherry from Trader's new blood joining us later this episode. We also have Gabby. All right. From the new hit show Wonka's the golden ticket. Everyone's loving this show. This she's the winner. She won't she won the show. A dream come true, honestly. And this is like every childhood dream. People are loving this new hit show on Netflix. I love that Netflix is like you they have the wonka the golden ticket. They're they're doing this with squid games, right? You know, Dylan and Hannah are going to be a part of it as well. Like these very popular shows or movies and they turn them into these competition shows. I'm loving that all these competition shows are taking off. I hope it sticks around for a while, but this isn't celebrity Wonka. This is this is like Trader's new blood, where it's just like they this pulled people off the street to compete for a chance at the the Wonka month. Do you think that Wonka kind of setting is is actually a dream? Because to me, I have like nightmares. It feels like a little like scary to me. I mean, as a kid, I always wanted to like drink the chocolate river. And then as you got older, still like it looks like refreshing chocolate milk. Yeah. How much did she win? So you're just fixated on the milk on the river. Yeah. Three million dollars. Yeah, that's a lot of Netflix paid her three million. Well, we can ask her how that works. We bills. That is the highest I've heard of a winner. It's great. It's a lot of money. I'm wondering what she can go upstairs. I wonder what she's going to spend it on. And she's up next. So let's find out because Gabrielle is here. Gabrielle, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me. We're so excited to have you. First of all, congratulations. You won. Thank you. The news is out. What? I mean, just such a cool, exciting, popular show. I mean, like, I guess this is start how does it feel to win three million dollars? Honestly, surreal. I don't even know. I keep having pinch me moments every couple of minutes because it still doesn't seem to have set in yet. Okay. But it's amazing. I mean, it's honestly a once in a lifetime experience, a dream come true, a dream turned into a reality. All of the things in one umbrella. What have you been doing since the show wrapped? Keeping it a secret. I feel like I've been in the cut. No, just normal life. Honestly, I have been doing all the things, dancing, DJing. I'm prepping for a tour right now. Okay. It's been a lot of fun. It's fun endeavors. Now, you did this show with your lifelong friend, Sasha. Yes. I must know. Did you guys have an agreement going in that if like, do you have to split it? Like, is it all yours or the conversations weird? Like, what does that look like? We're like sisters. So there's never a weird conversation between us. But under contract, I'm actually not able to talk too much about the split or if that's a possibility. So I have to talk to Wonka about it. Okay. Okay. Where do I want to have so many questions? Where do I start? I think, well, let's just start with like, how it started. Early on, I think you said that you didn't really come in with much of a strategy. Is that accurate? It's accurate to an extent. I'm a reality competition show junkie. I've watched them all ever since game show network was a thing. I was watching it with my mom, my grandma back in the day, card sharks, the whole nine. So I came in knowing I wanted to play under the radar, but really just wanting to absorb and take in as much as possible. Again, this was the first time anything like this has ever been done. And I was one of 24 people to get to experience that. So I didn't want the competition and the strategy to get in the way of just enjoying the experience. And that's kind of how I went into it. Obviously, things shifted as days progressed, but that was my initial. My follow-up question to that is, did you notice people have a lot of strategies? And it seemed like just watching the show. It would almost be impossible to have a strategy just because it was like, you didn't really know, you know, if you make this decision, you don't know what the result was going to be. You know what I'm saying? It seemed like it would be really hard to try to strategize. It was really hard, especially for somebody like me who's an overthinker. I took every clue and tried to dissect it. I did that with Sean Garrison's mom and we sat everybody down. This isn't on the show, but we sat everyone down and we're giving them our pitch of, hey, this is going to be the next challenge. We deciphered the code. This is it. We were completely wrong. So at that point, I just left it up to faith. I was like, you know, if I have positive mindset going into this, what you put out is what you're going to receive. And that's, that was my mantra throughout the whole show was just writing the positive wave because again, there were so many twists and things Wonka was throwing our way to throw us off. That thinking ahead was pretty much your demise in the factory. Did anything change once Sasha was eliminated? Oh my gosh. Yes. That I would say the honeycombs for me was definitely a big turning point in my game. But then the second one was when Sasha got eliminated. That lit such a fire in me that I, and I said on the show, it was me and my brain. At that point, I didn't have my best friend to talk to in the middle of the night to strategize with to kiki about all the crazy things that were going on in the factory. So it was definitely hard. But, you know, at that point, I just had to turn into myself and really hone back to who I am as a person. Think about my morals. Think about, you know, how my family raised me and how I would navigate such a crazy space on my own now without my partner. What was the most delicious candy to eat? Okay, I didn't get to try the grass. Everybody was raving about the grass. I actually never got to try it. What was the grass? Like what did what did what did they say that tasted like? It's a sweet sour lemon lime vibe. Yum. I know. Did you drink the chocolate river? I wish. That's my that was my dream. I had a kid watching the OG movie. If I was a gustous gloob, I would have been in there all day filming. Did you watch the movie like right before you went in just as like a this is fun. I watched all three movies. I read the books, Sasha's sister gave us a whole binder full of Quizlet notes trivia. We had it on lock. We were in ready for a trivia game. Again, all that preparation wasn't for much, but it was still good to know. Oh my gosh. It kind of felt losing your best friend Sasha to elevator challenge. It kind of almost felt a little unfair just because the way people were eliminated, so many people were eliminated, all at once. Like what was that pretty demoralizing? And I imagine at that point it kind of felt like you really weren't in control of anything. But like how did you process that? It was really difficult to process. I will say the one okay thing about the way that Sasha went out was five people went home that day. So there were a lot of other members that had just lost their partners at the same time that I did. And that's something I love about this cast is we came together put competition aside were real human beings experiencing this crazy experience for the first time all together. And Tatum actually was my like shoulder to lean on throughout that whole process. I had this pink fuzzy robe. I was sitting on my bed, bawling my eyes out. My mom had written me a letter before I went in there and luckily I was able to bring it into the factory with me. And I just read that over and over again to remind myself who I am why I'm here. You know keep going strong and she always told me you know just do better than you did yesterday. So at that point I couldn't look back and I wasn't just doing it for myself anymore but I was doing it for Sasha as well. Do you feel like the rest of your peers kind of underestimated you too? Like they didn't expect you guys to be as good at the challenges as you were? 1000%. Honestly it worked in our favor though. I told Sasha going in I said listen all we have to do is observe listen to everybody be in the cut do our own thing if we have to play a little ditsy we can play a little ditsy. That's fine you know you You got to do what you got to do, and it worked. I mean, even talking to some of the contestants after the show wrapped, they were underestimating us from day one. They wrote us off immediately. And I was like, "Score me!" - They just thought you were like the good looking get-see girls. - Yeah, we're just here for a good time, not a long time, but little did they know. - Little did they know? - The internet has a lot of opinions on Ziad. - Yes. - What are yours? - That's a vague question. (laughing) My opinions on Ziad, honestly, I could read Ziad from the jump, and I think that's when my strategy really started to build, especially with his team. And Sasha and I, we knew we wanted to get close to them 'cause they were strong players, and Ziad was a very vocal person in the factory that a lot of people were afraid of. That's one thing, I was never afraid of him. I could read him, I could kind of see through his game who he was as a person. I think I was just waiting for the right time to capitalize on it. - Which you definitely did. - Yes, yeah, I was like patience. Patience is a virtue here. But I didn't appreciate the way that he was speaking, mostly to a lot of the women on the show. It just didn't resonate with who I am as a person, so I didn't ever really get along with him on a personal level, but gameplay, you would never know. So when you kind of, well, when you basically double cross them, so to speak, was it a little bit of personal in gameplay? How would you rate versus like a personal move or was it extra cherry on top that you weren't necessarily huge fan with him or was it strictly gameplay at that point? - I would say it was a cherry on top, for sure, because at the end of the day, you don't wanna send your best friends home that you've been building up a bond with throughout the game. And I was really close to Garrison's mom, so also Garrison, and I was super close to Taylor and Bryce, so I knew that out of our group of four, those were the two I wanted to go with me for the next round. And picking those coins, it was a no-brainer. Honestly, I was reading that little riddle over and over again. I was decoding it. Wonka said it may put others at a disadvantage. It never said that it would. So my wheels started turning. I'm thinking back to the Wonka Vader when Sasha went and then she got eliminated, but Taylor and Ava didn't have to play a game and one of them was still safe. So it's little things. Wonka always leaves hints in the fine print. And I made sure to read it over and over again. And then Ziad coming in after me, I didn't wanna give him any sort of power over me. And I didn't. - Well, did you ever get to explain your reasoning behind the three coins? - Not to him, actually, no. He wouldn't let me speak much on the jury and the finale either, so I didn't. But my strategy at that point was again, I was reading the fine print. I noticed that there was a verbiage saying may put others at a disadvantage. When I walked in, I had coins on my podium and so did Ziad, but Taylor and Garrison didn't at that time. So I'm thinking that maybe it started with 10 coins and Taylor and Garrison took a couple and left me three. That was my first thought process. Then I started thinking further and I'm like, wait a second, maybe these coins aren't gonna be used for myself, but I'm gonna have to bargain, which is exactly what ended up happening. And I just knew at the end of the day no matter what, Ziad could not be in possession of any of these coins because then that meant he had the power over my game. And there was no way I would let that happen. So I went with my gut. As I do know what, let's take all three, let's be greedy, greedy Gabby, give me, give me Gabby, give me all the names, I'll take them. (laughing) - Oh my God. - The jelly bean challenge with who was it? What's her name, Kayla? Do you feel like her tears were genuine or performative? - I love Kayla outside the factory. We're so cool now. In that moment, I was so frustrated just with her decision making process. I understand watching back after she explained it, I get where she was coming from, but it just felt personal to me for whatever reason, obviously Sasha's my partner. She didn't do anything to Kayla, to back stab her, to ruin her game. So I was just upset. And then the fact that she was safe and then came in crying before she even explained what happened to Sasha or Bryce or Poppy, I was like, girl, give us a second to really understand what's going on before you put your emotion into it as well. But again, high stakes, lots going on. So it is what it is. - How many people, after the game was done, did you have to mend fences with or have conversations to talk about like, hey, it wasn't personal, it was just the game? - You know, it's funny. I really didn't have to do that with anyone. I think everybody has taken what the final edit was and made it into a joke, somewhat light-hearted, which has been really nice. We've all been able to bond over the little comments that we set on the show, or for example, me not picking ever in the out-of-sourge challenge that really stirred the pot online. But between ever and I, it's so funny. I was like, let's stir the pot even more. Why not? - Well, that was my next question. Why did you make that decision to? - It was purely strategy. Again, I came in with somewhat of a strategy, but again, it was more just to fly under the radar. And then I'm happy that on the show, you can kind of see it start to pick up, but it doesn't make full sense. So in the out-of-sourge challenge, I knew I was gonna pick Bryce. Even when Garrison turned to me and said, "You know what needs to be done." The first thought that came into my mind was Bryce. I didn't even think twice about it, because I knew I wanted two skins in the game. I just saved Taylor and the Wonka Vader. If I save her boyfriend and out-of-sourge, I have both of them in my corner. And I think I was three steps ahead of them the entire time. I knew that they were in a close alliance with Ziaud and Austin. So it wasn't an unknown variable for me, whereas, ever on the other hand, I didn't know what game he was playing. I didn't know what side he was really on. We didn't get much time to talk in the factory, so we were never that close. And on the show, you can see, they called me a swing. So I think the singles were really just using me as an extra number versus a true alliance. - Well, yes, how did it feel when all this is said and done, to be in the final with Taylor? I thought it was awesome. - Yeah. I love that the two youngest women in the competition were the final two on top. I mean, it was really interesting to have to live with people from all different walks of life, all different age ranges, and trying to navigate that. And again, having the last two that come out are the two youngest women. I thought that was super special. And just an ode kind of to society today, just breaking those glass ceilings. - What was the name of the father-daughter couple that a lot of people online were chatting about? - There was two. So it was Kayla and Bill or Ava and Jeff. - I think it's Kayla and Bill. A lot of people are, like a lot of people are known as thing. We love a father-daughter duo that's close, but I guess they were, they seem to be a little touchy-feeling ways that the internet picked up on. Is that something that you think is the internet? Like, did you notice it while filming their closeness or? - I did notice their closeness. I didn't think anything weird of it, though. Again, I mean, I don't know if I'm the one to judge, you know, what that kind of relationship looks like, but at the end of the day, you know, that's their prerogative. (laughing) I don't have a better answer for you, I don't know. - When you saw the jury members in the final, what did you think, were you feeling good or are you feeling nervous about it? - I was nervous because that was my first time in court. First of all, I don't know why my first time in court was in a chocolate factory, but it's okay. - It's okay as it should be. It was iconic, it's fine. And I was nervous just because that filming process was a lot, it took a toll on me mentally, physically, that finale portion was a lot more than obviously was aired, but I always bet on myself. And at the end of the day, I kept that through the entire competition. So no matter who was in that jury, I feel like I treated everybody with respect and played my game at the end of the day. And so it's my famous line, but don't hate the player, hate the game, you know? We can put our differences aside, we can put our personal relationships aside at this moment and just chalk it up to the game. - What was that phone call like to Sasha when you got out? - Well, I wasn't even a phone call, she was there. - Oh, she was there, that was the hardest part was when she got eliminated, I had no idea if she was still in Australia with us, if she was back in Orange County, she was like kicking her feet up ordering room service somewhere, I had no idea where she was. So when she ran out in the finale, it was this whole full circle, every wave of emotion hit me. And I was like, wow, we started this together and now we're here ending it together. So it was really special. - Do you have any like things on a shopping list, like things that you wanna splurge on? Like there's gotta be a few things that you've said, if I win this money, I'm gonna buy this. - People have asked me this question and I still don't have a solid answer for it. I think from how my family raised me and like my values growing up, my mother always instilled the value of giving back to others first. And unfortunately, that really wasn't shown in the finale. but when Kayla asked what we would do with the money, I had a three-pillar breakdown of everything that I would use it for or intend to use it for. The biggest thing was giving back to others. I mean, since I was eight, my brother was 10, we started a nonprofit called a birthday party wish and we provide birthday parties for homeless and foster children. I obviously wanna give back to the people that have poured so much into me, which is my family, they sacrifice so much in their life in order for me to be where I am today, so that was a no-brainer. Also, the part that got me so emotional on the show, which unfortunately the rest of the world didn't get to see was that I was talking about my grandmother and how I wanted to give that money to my mom to help her because she's been suffering from severe dementia for the past six years. She watched Wonka with me and didn't even know it was me on the TV screen, so it's difficult. She's with us all day every day 24/7. I mean, the care is no joke, my mom is working nonstop and then having to take care of my grandma, it's a lot. So if there's anything I can do to kind of lessen that battle for the both of them, I obviously wanna do that for them. - Very sorry to hear about your family and what they're dealing with, but also what a blessing that you've been able you're able to help out now and that nonprofit. I mean, you're better than me. You're a better person than me. I've not done that yet. So that's really incredible. - Hey, if you wanna volunteer, we're always looking for volunteers. - Yeah. - Yeah. Probably should. - It's been a world one and it's been so amazing. And again, to have platforms like this, to be able to share what I'm actually intending to do with the winnings has been such a blessing because again, not many people got to hear that side. - And I don't know what you can share, but it's like an annuity, right? It's not a lump sum of cash. You're getting paid out over the court. How many years? - 30. - 30 years. - And I'm only 22. So this is like setting myself up for my future as well and just financial stability. - Yeah. - Wow, yeah. - Get a good financial planner. Save that money. - Oh, I know. Honestly, when somebody asked what I'm gonna do with the money first, I was like, I don't know if you can buy a financial advisor, but that's what I'm doing. - What did you think of the final twist in the finale? - The funniest part is I had no idea that that was the end. So I thought the voting happened, then we hear about the twist, but I didn't think that was the last game. I thought there were eggs on the screens on the wall, golden eggs. And I'm thinking, okay, well, whoever wins the guessing game probably has the advantage to pick the egg and then it comes back to chance. So you have to crack an egg open and if the money's in it, you win. And so in my head, I told Taylor, before we started the voting, I said no matter what, I'll give you egg number two because that's Bryce's number in life was egg number two. And I'll pick egg number one. Here I go overthinking again. And that was not the case. And then I end up winning the voting game and how he yells that I won the whole entire competition. And I was in disbelief. I had no clue. Zero, I didn't think that was the last challenge. - I imagine on some level, has it sunk in in yet? I mean. - No, no. To an extent, because a lot of the cast came out, I actually held a fundraiser event in Orlando for my nonprofit a couple weeks ago. And a lot of the cast flew out to Orlando to come support, which was the best thing ever. And so I took them all to Disney and we were getting stopped at Disney. And I'm sitting here thinking to myself, I grew up in Orlando, I come to Disney all the time. Nobody knew who I was a couple weeks ago coming to Disney. And now I'm getting stopped by kids going on trot. - Oh my gosh, it's crazy. - It's starting to set in more and more. - The show seems like a hit. So like who, hopefully it'll be around for a long time, but being the first winner of season one is an incredible on copy. You're like, you're cemented in reality TV competition history. - I know, that's so crazy to think about. You're going in the Hall of Fame. (laughing) The Willy Wonka Hall of Fame, that's crazy. - Now, as part of the Netflix family, once you're in the family, there are opportunities sometimes come your way. - I'm listening. - You're young, you're talented. Are there other reality TV shows that you would want to be a part of, and since you are part of the Netflix family, I imagine you will have to start with those. - Of course. Well, I have always been a lover of, is it cake? So I don't know if there's a world where I could judge, is it cake, anyone out there can pull some strings. That would be a dream come true. I also really loved battle camp. I think you can really get down and dirty, and it's super focused on the physical competition as well as the strategy. So I'd love to test my physical ability as well in a competition setting. - I'm sure a lot of people would be interested. What is your relationship status? And if you're single, would you consider any love competition shows? - I am taken. So I wouldn't consider any dating shows, but if you guys need a host, I got you. Guest host, co-host, whatever it is, I'm in there. - Okay. - Well, hey, your boyfriend, and I'm sure he's great, but he really now, he really have to keep him on check because if he speaks up, I mean, I'm sure too hot to handle will come a calling. - Hopefully we don't have to get to that point. - What was it like telling him? - Oh my gosh, he was awesome. It was so hard. I mean, we were gone for four weeks with no phone, so I couldn't contact my family. I couldn't contact my boyfriend. He wrote me, actually, he didn't just write me, he made me a whole scrapbook with photos in it, and I was able to bring it into the factory, which was the best thing ever. But kudos to him because as hard as it was for me, I know it was really hard for him to continue living his life and not being able to know anything that was going on in my life for a whole month. So just having that support system meant the world, and I felt it in the factory. I felt the positive energy all the way from Orlando, from all my family and friends. And, yeah, it's just, it's amazing to have that support in your corner. - Before we let you go, I'd be remiss if I asked, is it a reality TV fan? What are some of your favorite shows that you're watching? - Ooh, well, I loved Age of Attraction. - Did you? - I did. Yes, I binge the entire show. - Thanks for watching. - What was your favorite couple on Age of Attraction? - Ooh, I love Livy. - Yeah, she's great. We actually went into her at the airport not too long ago. - And she always gave such positive energy, and I love that. I really resonate with that, so. - Gabrielle, it's been so fun to talk with you. Congratulations on this amazing win. - Thank you so much. - It must be so cool. I mean, obviously this show, like, I don't know if you were a fan as a kid. I was growing up. I think so many people watching this, both young and old, they're finding the show to be fun and nostalgic. And it's so cool that you won such a fascinating show. And clearly took a lot of talent and wit. And you're obviously very deserving. So congratulations. - Thank you so much. This was so much fun. I appreciate you even having me on. Like, this is a dream come true for me. - Well, thanks for saying. We appreciate you, and it's always great to talk to fascinating people like you and the winner of the Wonka Challenge. - I didn't mention, but I have a kid's book that I wrote, and it's coming out next week. And it's all about, like, channeling positive vibes. So I would love to send you a copy for your kids. - Yeah, send us a copy. What's the name of the book? - It's called Wavy the Wonder Wave. And it's a little positive wave that teaches Dave how to channel his negative emotions into positive ones. - Where can people find this? - Amazon, it's gonna be on Amazon next week. - How are you, like, how are you so impressive? Like, what, like, I was not at 20, how old are you again? - 22. - You got a not-for-profit, you're writing books. - I'm about to go on tour with AJ McLean. - Hey, I'm DJin. - How did you get such a, like, I mean, always this ambitious, like, clearly you were, you were ahead of the curve, so to speak, when it comes to most 22 year olds or 40 year olds. - Well, thank you. Yeah, I mean, I left regular schooling in seventh grade. Kids were just really mean, and I had priorities in life, which was to be where I'm at today. So I decided to leave, I did homeschooling throughout high school, and I was bouncing back and forth from New York and L.A., doing little kids productions in New York, whatever I could find. I didn't care if I was an extra. I just wanted to get out there and meet people and get my foot in the door. I'm a hustler. I always have been, I get it from my parents. And then from there, I graduated high school in three years at 17, moved all the way out to Berkeley, California. I attended the University of California Berkeley, graduated in three years, and then moved out to L.A. last year in February, and my apartment, you could see the Netflix sign. I'm a big believer of manifestation and just positive thinking. So I was trying to figure out ways, how I could air drop my resume to the people at Netflix, just so I could get a job or something. And then three days later, I was sitting on the floor of my apartment 'cause I had no furniture yet, and the ad popped up for Wonka's Golden Ticket, and seven months later, and my life changed forever. So it's all about persistence. I really don't believe in luck. I just believe that if you have a positive outlook on life, good things will happen for you, and you just got to stick with them. You can't give up, and that's what I've been doing. And it's just the start, like I'm nowhere near finish. So I'm just excited to be able to share that with some people, hopefully the world someday. - Very impressive. Any, any, like I have three young daughters or three under three, but if I hope they are as ambitious and as accomplished as you, any advice is a dad that I can give to my daughters that you think would resonate with them, as they kind of get older in their teen years, you know? - My biggest one is just to, block out the noise and for them to really stay true to who they are and they're upbringing and their morals because it's so easy to get caught up, especially nowadays in the fast pace of social media. And you know, things are always coming at you at rapid moments at all points of the day. So if they are able to block that out, ride their own wave of positivity throughout their own life journey. I kid you not, that is the key to success, especially now, like just tapping into who you are as a person being unapologetically yourself. That takes the cake any single day and every day. I mean, and that's how I played the game too on the show. I was myself. I was in the corner putting my red light on my face. I didn't care what people thought about me. I played my game. I stayed, you know, genuine, nice, maintained my relationships when I needed to. But at the end of the day, it was me versus me in there. And there was only one winner. So yeah, I would tell them, tell them to ride their own wave, do their own thing and try everything, do it all. Like, don't put yourself in one box. Oh, that's great. As a fan of reality TV, you'll have to come back and break down some shows with us if you want to and just like just, oh my God, wait, I would love to. Just talk reality TV. Wait, this is awesome. Please. You're a friend of the show now. How is this real? Stop. I'm fan-girling. I'm so impressed. So even more impressed after speaking with you. But congratulations again. What an incredible accomplishment. Thank you so much. You're the best. Thanks so much. Jimmy, what would you spend $3 million on? Or probably $1.5 million. 'Cause you know that government's gonna take their cut. First thought coffee shop and basketball gym. Really? Yeah. You can judge him for his $1.5 million spending. What would you spend it on? So what I would do? You couldn't just find another gym to go to that you'd want to spend all that money just on a gym. No, but by myself like a whole mountain league. I would buy a basketball gym. Okay. Would you let it just for yourself or would you charge and let other people come? Oh, I would turn into a public gym. A pool in business. Okay. Yeah. So coffee and hoops. I would have to think this through. Jimmy, I got a random question. How do you plan on proposing to your wife? Getting on one knee and an earring. No, I don't know. I saw there was a commercial out there. I don't want to call 'em out because I, you know, whatever. It's a lovely commercial. It's a Julia commercial. And in this commercial, they play a montage of all these men proposing to their partners. And in the commercial, they're at the grocery store. And the guy just like he's handing our oranges or apples. And then he hands their earring. And honestly, he hands their earring. And honestly, in the commercial, like he did pull it off. It was quite charming. But I just kept thinking to myself, in the real world, like if I did that at a grocery store, like would you tell me to put it away? We met at a grocery store. Then it's cute. That's the only way. That's the only way. That's the only way. That's okay. Even then, I think you still have to do like a second beautiful proposal or something private. You immediately have to leave the grocery store. Like you imagine like having one of those amazing moment and then be like, all right, well, I guess like you got, then you have to wait in line and be like, you know, oh, you go up to the meat conner and then you have to do the whole thing. Were you here first? Were you here first? Who's turn is it? It's like, oh, we just got engaged. And then sharing that whole story that's crying. Yeah. Like you up to the cashier. Like one of the first moments. If one of the first people you're enjoying this moment with is the cashier at the grocery store. Who's asking if you want paper or plastic? Anyway, anyways, it's just good bit for a commercial bad bit for real life. What are you gonna do, though? It made me think you-- There's no way he could have that plan. You didn't have ours planned years in advance. Yeah. But I knew I didn't want to do that. I had this vision of doing it in Santorini where the most beautiful sunset is in the world. That's like the vision I had. But what if this, what if Santorini means nothing to my future wife, then I might have to-- Well, that there is that. Definitely ask her what she wants. That's the easiest way to be successful. I've been thinking about just getting a couple in. I like weddings. Think about throwing a couple different weddings, you know? Just, you know. So yeah, a couple of divorces that would lead to as well. Yeah. At least I get practiced for the proposal, the official one. What if somebody proposed with a dildo in their hand? Who you asking? [LAUGHTER] Like, Lisa Barlow was whole leg in the Real House was in Salt Lake City. Jimmy, don't you have a question about dildos? Yeah, I have a question about like the double standard of toys from estimates. Oh, please. Let's start. I'm just wondering, like-- Because I feel like-- Are you saying you-- No, no. Are you saying you feel like you want a toy, but you feel like you can't-- Just hear me out. Yeah, let's hear him out. I feel like dildos are like common and like widely accepted, whereas like a fleshlight sounds crazy. Or like a pocket pussy feels just like insane. I beg your pardon? But they're both-- They're both toys used for the same purpose. It's what's called. It's disgusting. Do you? That's disgusting. I agree. Do you have one? I agree. I do not. But-- But you want one. I feel like-- Without judgment. No, no, no, no, I'm just-- I'm curious about the double standard. Like the dildos versus the flesh lights. First of all, I think there is no double standard because men can go into a bathroom and wink that thing, and they're done in about 0.5 seconds. It's so convenient. Now us women, I gotta be. It's gotta be quiet. And I've gotta be home alone. And the lights gotta be a little bit dim. I gotta be under the covers. My legs have to be straight. And there's a lot of things that have to be going on for me to get, yes, straight. Why do you have questions about that? Because I actually kind of feel uncomfortable. I would like a little bit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Next time we have sex, I'm gonna look down and wonder if your legs are straight. They have to be straight because everything you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're lucky. You know what I'm not explaining this to you too, because men get the easiest way out. Okay. And y'all don't need, you know, those toys, the straight leg or, I think it's a wildly accepted women experience. Yeah. And I think if you're not experiencing an orgasm with straight legs, you need to reevaluate what you're doing and try it out. There's a follow up question. The adult film entertainment consumption, it, right, for, for men, we hear like, you know, there's an epidemic, men masturbate too much, right? And they do. But is it, is it the, can I say porn on here? Yes, it can say porn. Okay. Is it, is it consuming the porn that is the bad part or is it the, the act of masturbating that? I think it's the porn part. It's all disgusting. I agree. I agree. So then when the girls use the dildar, are they just like, reading like a romantic novel or are they just like, we're in our heads? We're in our heads. We're in our heads. That's beautiful. Good for y'all. I'm in my head or I'm watching 365 day yacht scene on Netflix. Have you ever put that on? Yes, I have. Just. Yes, I have. Has anyone ever, no, and y'all have, y'all have got to see the yacht scene. Next time I see that, I'm recently, I've never just casually thrown up browsers on the TV. First of all, it has Mike. What is his name? Michael, what is his name? Michael Morone or Michelle Morone. Yes, it is. Michael Morone. I can't wait to see that on recently. Watch on Netflix. It's just, it's on there. It's on there. If we want an explanation of sex toy double standards, traditional cultural scripts, treat female sexuality as something that needs help or unlocking, whereas male sexuality is stereotyped as hyperactive, uncontrollable, or purely primal, making solo devices for men seem redundant or perverted to outside observers. Female oriented products are commonly marketed as sleek, soft, discreet, and wellness focused, often resembling abstract art or cosmetics, male oriented products are frequently stereotyped as hyper realistic, grotesque, or mechanical, which amplifies societal cringe or taboo. They are fucking disturbing. Because we are dainty and beautiful creatures. And what if they just want a butt plug? Isn't that pretty sleek and simple? No, I don't, I don't think I've ever seen a butt plug in person, honestly. What does a butt plug do? I don't want to get into this. I really, I really was just trying to transition into Salt Lake City. Yeah, I know really unlocked a whole new conversation, Mary. I'm sorry, y'all. I'm still in love. Getting back to Lisa handing over that dildo to Bronwyn, I have to say I think this was a bad episode for Angie. And I think it's only going to get worse. I think she's being a bully and being mean to Lisa, and she's only doing it because she has like nothing else to say. The whole lip conversation at the dinner, and her being like, your lips look like a vagina turned side. It was like, whoa, like, first of all, lips look wonderful. And all vaginas are beautiful. I'm really on my, I'm really on my woman today. Can't get off this time. No, but it just felt so mean. And like, you've been doing your lips, you look like a clown, you look like a, I don't know, it just felt really below the bell. Jimmy, have you, do you, do you say I love you in a casual way to your girlfriends? I say love, like, I love love. Has that ever gotten confusing in a relationship? It depends on the relationship. Like, if I, I'm just, I say to my boys, like, look at what you love. It's just kind of like, okay, okay. You take a girl home, you have sex. I would never use the word love if I didn't. Yeah, I, I feel you mean like a home girl. Like if there was like anything romantic, anything intimate. No, no, like a girl you're seeing, a girl you're hooking up with. Not anything like that. I'm not playing around with that word love. Me personally down because Heather is telling her boyfriend, they say I love you, but they're not in love. Yeah, I could never. I don't really understand that. Do you think they're just trying it out? I think the L word for a spin. I have learned that people do use it differently, like depending where you're from, how you grew up, which parents showed you, like some people do to say I love you very kind of flippingly. I definitely did. And the Nick was like, please stop telling the moment that you love him. And I was like, heard. I understand. It definitely is too far for sure. I feel bad that I'm very, very interested in Bronwyn's divorce. Because she was introduced in the show as like the wife of Todd, who was like introduced to us as like this tech investor. I thought like at first, he's like worth a billion dollars. And I don't think he's worth a billion dollars, but it sounds like he's worth a lot of money, but no one really knows how much money. I really want to know how much she's getting in the divorce. I love him when she was like, you know, she's like, do you think he could, do you think he could screw you over? And she's like, yeah, he gets a little feisty about me fucking other guys. She didn't say that specifically. It's spicy about the Brandon stuff. The Brandon stuff. I'm like, well, yeah. And like honestly, Heather is so right. Her being like, the ink isn't even dry. And you're like rubbing it in his face that you've moved on. You're with this hot, younger guy. Yeah, all over the press. All over the press. He's filming the show with you. Yeah, he's on the show. You like, he's literally been as the world knows. He's Todd's been like the place he's gone. Do we know the details of their prenup? They don't have one. They don't have one. According to Browen, there's no prenup. She's damned, it just came up. Yeah. How'd you do my big one too? What? Yeah. I don't know. I think prenups are fascinating. How so? I just think like how people go about them differently and like, you know, which couples decide to not get one. Like, oh, I don't think any of my brothers have a prenup. What's crazy about a prenup is that everyone, the thing that people don't know is everyone signs a prenup. But in terms of like, you know, do I get to keep what's mine? Are we going 50 or like, whatever state you get married in, if you don't have a prenup, if you and your partner, the person you're supposed to agree on life to and plan a family together and share your finances, if you don't have the awkward commerce, like, you know, like, but you're about to get married. You're supposed to have a lot of these conversations. If you can't have this conversation, what are you doing? But if you don't have that conversation, the prenup you are signing is the one that the state that you get married in comes up with. So you are agreeing to their rules regardless. What are the default rules? Like, it depends on the state you're in. It's even more fascinating, okay. But you are signing a prenup. Like, all it is is an agreement on what happens if this marriage gets dissolved. Do you see me there can make your own rules? Can you make your own rules? So you know, let someone else make the rules for you. So I made Nick's on a prenup. I was like, you're not getting any amazh it. But when you think of it that way, like, it's a no-brainer. And you know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm referring to, like, when the financial gap or the disparity is very obvious, but the love is also obvious. So it's like, but anything can happen, you know, like. - I think no matter what, everyone, no matter who you are, no matter where you are, no matter what your job is, everyone should sign a prenup. - But then we just establish that no matter what, if you get married, you do. So like the terms of the prenup. - Right, but you should make your own, I guess, yeah. You should make your own rules for your own prenup, I guess is what I'm saying. If you're like Todd, you know, you could have been like, well, you know, like I had all this money before we met. - I just think about whoever I end up, you know, marrying or whoever I end up selling down with. It's probably gonna be somebody that I meet later in life. I've been like, lining, you know what I'm saying? And it's just like, I'll be damned if I just met you now. And, you know, we have a great five years and all of a sudden things crash and burn. Like, so now the 30 years of the work I put in is like, you getting that? Like, ooh, that just makes my stomach turn. Yeah. That might be the state of Illinois law. I don't know what that is, but. - Good thing I'm a LA baby now. - Oh, he's a LA baby now. - No, well, actually, no, it's worse. Wisconsin, in LA, Wisconsin and California, to my knowledge, I believe are the only 50/50 states, which means that like regardless, it doesn't matter, in Fidel, it doesn't matter what happens. If you, if you sign the California or Wisconsin prenup, half, no matter what. I'm gonna get married in Florida. They got the wrong set of rules. Florida's a while, while less. - I am loving this new housewife though. Yeah, I love Ashley Quay. She seems like you don't wanna get on her bad side, in a good way. - I agree. I also feel her pain when it came to that conversation with Whitney, or when Whitney was trying to be like, you're trying to tell me that we didn't have that conversation in my foyer. And she's like, no, I remember standing in your foyer, and they're just like having a stare off. And it's like, because you know that whatever she said about Meredith, they said it. It really wasn't that bad. It was like, oh, she moves in the group like, calculate or something, whatever, they all fucking do. It wasn't that bad. But it was the fact that like her and Whitney clearly have been friends for a while. Whitney gets her Whitney and Lisa, I guess. Get her onto the show. And the way that Whitney so quickly turns her back on this girl to like just have drama and a storyline on the show is crazy. - Damn, so she thinks she just like took advantage of their friendship and just was like, made her a little pawn in their TV show, essentially? - I mean, yeah, I think she just was like, oh, this is good drama at the table. I'm gonna tell everyone that you talk shit about Meredith, and then when you are shocked that I'm telling everyone because we're genuinely friends, I'm gonna act shocked that you aren't telling the truth. You know, I don't know. - It was giving, it was giving, I wanted to make more of this than it actually is. - But do you think she invited her on the show with that intention? Like, this would be easy for me and like- - I don't know about that one, but I definitely think house, I do think friends get recruited and then they get on the show and then all of a sudden the people who they thought were their friends attacked. - I mean, it happened with Bronwyn and Lisa. Like Lisa brought Bronwyn on and then that happened so fast. - I'm so afraid to say anything negative about Lisa Barlow. Like the internet does not play about her. I've come here. - Honestly, I've said a lot of negative things for a long time and that's, I survived. - Did they come for you? - Lisa's a good sport about it. Lisa's the best sport in the world about it. - Oh, what? - It's just a job. - Her fans, I'm sure I made a lot of enemies that I don't read about or pay attention to because of what I said about Lisa, but Lisa, God bless her, is not one of those enemies. And I'm grateful. - Is Lisa the one whose home is in the LLC? - No, it's Bronwyn. - Or is that someone else? - Bronwyn's, Bronwyn. Can you explain that to me how you can buy a home using your LLC? - It's something I think a lot of people do, especially public figures do. So, it makes it harder for the public to find out where they actually live. Because when you buy a house, as Brittany showed us, it's public record. So, you can look up-- - You can just search Bronwyn. - Yeah, you can look up their name and you can get access to their where their house is and how much they spend and yada, yada, yada. So, you can buy your house or you put in a trust. But to put in a trust, you have to have a business name. So, people will create LLCs and they'll make up some whatever name, like a coffee lover, 23. Is the name of this LLC, you know? And it's just-- - Like this aim account name back in the day. - Yeah, and you put it into a trust. It's like a legal protection. And that way, people can't necessarily, they wouldn't know where to go to look for your house because it's not under your name. - Is that what rich people do nowadays? Like, is that like the move? - It seems like the move, honestly, for proxy. - When you buy your house, you should definitely do that. 100%. - But, say less. - You'll get better protections and things like that, but the first and foremost is like, it won't be under your public name. And so, if you pick a name of your LLC that has like, you know, nothing really to do with your hard, you know, it's just some random thing, it will be much harder for people to find. - Interesting. - Pretty such crap. - And that's, so Bronwyn did that? - Yes. - Bronwyn didn't do that. - It's something. - Oh, wait. - It's a top. - It's amazing. - But how did she find out the name of the LLC? Then interesting. Maybe I'm wrong, then. Because it is under an LLC and look like, and Bronwyn found it out. - These housewives are crafter than I ever could have thought. - I guess Todd bought the house under an LLC and then-- - Yeah, but how did Bronwyn found out? - Maybe he bought it under like, his actual company name, or something. - Well, she was asking if they, like, signed it together and Bronwyn was like, yeah, we did. - But her name's not on it because it's the LLC. - That's why they were saying she didn't actually own the house. - Yeah. - Is what Bronwyn was trying to argue. - Cheer me out, though. Can you also, if, like, me, like, I'm a content creator, can I make content in the house? And because I bought one of the LLC, can I also write off the house? - You can write off parts of it. If you lived there, it would be, you'd have to designate a amount of square footage for your, like-- - So when win sounds like-- - You can already do that now, Jim. - But out on a house? - It doesn't matter. You can still, like-- - I know people do that with their cars, people that, like, do food reviews in their cars, like, they write off their car and stuff. But if you could take a portion of your rent and deducted-- - Why is nobody telling me this? - Do you do your taxes by yourself? - Mama, sir, baby. - Okay. - Mama does it. - Well? - Mama, sir. - Hell yeah. - Well, you know, maybe you need time to level up. - No offense, mom. - No, no, no, no. In my dukes, we trust. - Anything going on in the OC? Other than the, what's the word that they use that I-- - Factless. - Factless, that Tamara's daughter. - Stunt? - Stunt. - Do you use stunt? - I've used it. I'll use it, like, oh, you stun. But I don't use it often. Like, yeah, casually. - Do you wanna give us a definition, Jimmy? - I said, I use stunt, like, yeah, like, you pop, and like, you're doing your thing. Like, you look good, look the part. You stun. There's like a, like, stunner shades. Those sunglasses, those are a thing. - Is it a wild that, like, one eventually, at some point, we're gonna be like, remember when we all said period? - Yeah, my daughter's gonna make fun of me. No, it's going to be a whole new, that's going to be so vintage when they're - Period. - Yeah. - People still don't understand my use of the word shorty. So I feel like period and all these buzzwords are just gonna take on new shapes and forms. - Is Alexis Bellino the most desperate person on Rava? - She's definitely one of them. - It's John Jansen as well. - John Jansen for sure. - How can you come on the show and call Heather these names that don't even like, again Heather's one of the most put together housewives and the way that she acted as if she rattled Heather or called the Heather delusional. Like the Heather's the most undilusional housewife in the history of housewives. That's why we like love Heather because like she never has to be delusional. Her life is already fantastical and she has like common sense. Yeah, every once in a while like she might like, you know, not be totally honest about the paparazzi but like that doesn't make her delusional. - I do feel like she heard the word feckless and was like, oh, I need to, that's like such a good dig. I need to give that, you know, like she practiced it. It's like my brother-in-law once used the term "prevericate," which means like to lie. And I have always wanted to throw it in a sentence but it just doesn't roll off the tongue. And neither does feckless. - Feckless is an actual word. - Yeah, they looked it up. - Does it mean like ignorant or dumb? - It feels good to say though, I will say. - Feckless is an adjective that means lacking initiative, character, responsibility, or effectiveness in competent, feeble, careless. - And then she called Heather? - Yes. - That's crazy. Yeah, she could have just used it for somebody else. - Maybe use it at first. - Oh, I love how Mary's just like, in the shadows. (laughing) - Lurking, humming in the background. - Is there anything else Mary about OC that we should get into? - Maybe just sending love to Archie and Shannon. - That was heartbreaking watching Shannon with her dogs and like FaceTiming her daughter and then it doing the like replay of hers with their kids and they're younger and like how the dog has grown up that makes me like, I can't just continue, it's like so sad. - I don't even wanna think about it. - They need to make a new rule with housewives. You have to come on the trips if you're gonna be a housewife. You have to go on these trips. I'm loving her this new season and I'm missing her in Tokyo. I also love like when I, when you watch these shows and they every time they go on a trip and I'm always like, oh God, now we have to fly to Tokyo. How long does that flight, 15 hours? And then it is there. And it makes me feel like that's why, that's why if I ever had a superpower I wanted it to be the teleport. - Yeah, like they do in Bravo. - Or any other like reality TV show. - I was flying and enjoying the ride there. - Well, I think they'll wrap up some housewives. I think we're just in a lot. Like Salt Lake City's like taking off. OC's like celebrating 20 years. There's just not a lot of drama. We do have Potomac that aired on Sunday and those ladies are always giving. Jimmy, you're gonna like Potomac. - Where is Potomac? - It's in like Washington. - Yeah, like Washington DC area. - Oh, Pacific Northwest, oh Washington DC. - DC. - DC. - Oh DMV. - Yeah, interesting. - Well, we'll talk about Potomac tomorrow. We also have Kelly Ben Simone on tomorrow. A fantastic interview with Kelly. She is part of the iconic cast of the Golden Life, many of the OG Roni women. Kelly is with us to talk about the new show. I honestly after talking to Kelly, I am so much more excited about the Golden Life than I was before talking to Kelly. I'm excited for you guys to hear that tomorrow. To wrap things up, we have Sherry from Trader's new blood. I don't know how you feel, but every time we interview these people off of Trader's new blood, these people have these big giant personalities that just like are not coming through the TV screen. I don't know if it's because everyone's got a big personality, but like, yeah, the absolute character. - Maybe they're just excited to talk to us, you know? Maybe they just love coming on us. Sherry, the oldest amongst the cast, joins us next. She's an absolute delight. We get to hear about her experience, what she thought about being eliminated from the show, what she thinks about the rest of her cast, and she is up next. Sherry, welcome to the show. - I'm excited to be here, thanks for having me. - Very excited to have you. Sad that you were banished. - I mean, you know, it happens. I actually had fun with my banishment, so there is that. I enjoyed it. - Tell me more, why was it so fun? - Well, I mean, you know the vibe. Like as soon as you walk in, I mean, you know, I can read a room and I was reading that it was not going to go well for me, but I just go, okay, first, I got to have my peace about Jay. I'm just like, you know, banish me after, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna have my peace about Jay, 'cause he was like, you know, creating a crock pot of confusion that we were all simmering in. I mean, as a faithful, we couldn't focus on the trader because all the talk was about Jay. Hey, I'm like, he's got to go. So I had it to do list. I go, yeah, this is probably gonna happen. Let's say your peace about Jay first. And then, you know, tried to defend myself to the best of my ability, but, you know, math is hard, Nick. It's really hard. Two plus three is hard. Alan said, two traders adding another one. Math is hard for some people. So, you know, we gotta give grace. We gotta give grace. - Did you think Jay was a trader? Or was he just pissed you off? - No, he was not a trader. You know, no, he was just, no trader would act out like that. And people go, it's a double bluff. I go, it's not a double bluff. He's just being a fool. So, no, there's no double bluff. - You came in and you were noticeably quiet and with your peers early on. And then you. - This was my strategy. Would you like to hear it? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So we get to the castle. And that's the first time you're seeing everybody. Sure, you saw a couple people on that Chuchu train, but you get to the castle. So you're seeing everyone. And so I'm clocking, you know, you know, faces and I go, "No, I'm the oldest person here." I go, "Where's the grumpy, seven-year-old man?" I did not want to be the oldest person there. But the oldest person by decades. Like I think Joe is the oldest person, men and he's 44. I got two plus decades on him. And then, Tamika and Christie were like 50. Yeah, I'm 65. I'm like, "Oh, no." So let's pivot in what we're going to play this game. So I knew if I came in 100% full personality, I was worried about some okay boomer vibes, you know? - There. - There's a target on your back being a boomer. - Well, Donna Kelsey got, she got an early elimination too. - Yeah, so I'm just like, "You don't wanna do that." So I go, "You know, I'm gonna go and low and smokey." You know, I'm gonna observe. I'm gonna be super nice. Not try to mother these people 'cause that's obnoxious. You know what I mean? So just be nice, low key, I'm a journalist by trade, so I know you learn more, you know, listening than talking. So, and then, you know, I would collect evidence. So that was like, you know, that was my theory, especially as soon as I saw this oldest person there. I also knew that I needed to bring it on all the challenges, missions, whatever. And I'm fine with that. So, you know, like, "Oh, you can't handle that." Give me that, you know? So, because you don't wanna be the person that I can't do the challenge, you know, you wanna be a member of the team and you've gotta be able to deliver on anything that's, you know, an athletic mission, which is like, I enjoyed very much. So, and then though, something happened on my journey. I got, I was really mad at myself for voting to get rid of Madeline and Arissa and like, banishing and was like terrible. And I didn't know I'd feel that much guilt about it. And then I was really mad that like, you know, what, we're just getting rid of women? I mean, come on, come on. So, I got a little activated and I'm like, you know, we gotta stop this and you can see on the show where I go to Abby, I go, we gotta get rid of a guy. We gotta get rid of, you know, and that's when I said, all of the three, you know, people in the turret, they all can't be, you know, women and, you know, she took off and ran with that. - Yeah, no, you got screwed there 'cause that was definitely a logical thought. - I'm a very logical person. And I've watched like, UK traders, all these different traders. I go, the common, the average number in the turret is three. If there's not three, it's an anomaly. But it's always three. It's a safe bet to say three. But like I said, math is hard for some people. - You would think for an astrophysicist, she wouldn't be able to keep up with that though at least. - I'm gonna have no comment on that. (laughing) - Do you regret saying that? Or do you wish you would have delivered it in a different way that would have maybe taken the target off your back, or do you think there was no way to do that? - Well, the thing that I regret most is my posture 'cause you forget there's cameras around. And like, I'm seeing myself on TV like slouched over like a hunchback. I'm like, oh my god, why didn't I sit up straighter? So, no, I don't think there's any way that you could, I mean, I guess I could have said possibly. There's possibly three traders in the castle. But I didn't know it was like, you know, on a deposition. So, no, I just like, three, that's common knowledge. It's common sense. That's like nothing to be worried about. Alas, I was so very, very wrong. (laughing) - Who, once you got banished, did you get to notice anyone who looked the most guilty? Not, or that felt the worst about getting you wrong? - Well, the people that I really liked did not vote for me. - Okay. - So that was good, you know, that was good. So I'm like, okay, excellent. And then the people that voted for me, I was just like, honestly, at that time, God's honest truth, I'm like, okay, you're gonna be banished. Let's make a good exit. 'Cause I didn't wanna ever be murdered, 'cause you never have the last word. And there's one thing I love is having the last word. I mean, I live for it. It just asks my husband. So any fight, I better have that last word. So I'm thinking, okay, my outfit's cute, so that's a win. And I'm like, you know, what am I gonna say when I go up there? 'Cause I don't wanna waste my banishment moment. But, you know, and I didn't wanna, you know, I mean, usually you thank everybody and blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, yeah, I don't think I'm gonna. gonna do that. I was feeling feisty, so I just leaned into it and I enjoyed it very, very much. Because obviously hindsight is 2020 and like, you know, you're now just in these brief seconds, like, you have so much personality. Do you maybe wish, do you maybe think you were maybe too calculated with your approach or like, you wish you're maybe just a little bit more of just yourself and that would have resonated a bit more? Sweet Jimmy, I have played that over and over again in my head. And I just really think, and one, let me just tell him a little delusional, so let's weigh that in everything I'm saying. I just really think that if I had come in like full 100% me, people would have been like, what's that old? Like, you know, an age is, I mean, age, the age vibe is real. It's real. And you know, there's a lot of main character energy in the castle. I mean, you know, I'm not talking at a 10, I'm talking about 100. And I just felt like I would have been competing for attention. And, you know, I don't feel like I have to compete for attention. But I don't know. I mean, like, Jimmy, I played that back in my head over and over again. I think they would have been like, she needs to shut up. Who's that? You know, honestly, I do. I think I was better going in, like, you know, trying to find out, like, you know, who I thought was a traitor was actually going on. Plus, full disclosure and confession time, I was pouty the whole time I was a traitor. Seriously, a part of my brain was like, super taped off. I wasn't a traitor because I wanted to be a traitor so badly. So part of me was like, I'm not a traitor. So, you know, but yeah, I play it over and over. I'll just be walking my dog and I still think about, should I just go on in like 100% full me? But, you know, it's a classic conundrum that I think women get a lot. You're not enough. And then when you show more, it's like, oh, you're too much. That's what I felt happened. How would you have been a better traitor than the three traders that were selected? I thought the selection process was genius, actually, because Joe was Mr. Popular. I mean, he was like the most beloved in the castle. Like, Joe a traitor. Forget about it. Tamiko was wonderful and she's like super smart. And then Katie's perfect because she's the youngest and no one would think, oh, you know, she's like, what is 23? Like, you know, why would they have Katie? So I think how they selected the traders was awesome. I just think the game plays more to my trader's strength because as my children have said to me many times over the years, I'm an excellent gas lighter. I'm a pretty good fiverr. You guys have kids. Are you even parenting if you're not gaslighting? Oh my god. Yeah. Oh, you're the best soccer player. Don't quit. You're the best. You're the best. You just need to work a little harder when your kid actually stinks at soccer, but you don't want them to quit. You know, because it's a life lesson. You can have a popsicle if you go pee pee on the potty. Oh, I didn't say you could have a popsicle who said you could have a popsicle. We said that. We fake cry all the time. Oh, true. We are master manipulators. No, mommy's going to lay here with you. I'm not going to get up and go to my bed. I'm going to stay here. I'm going to stir sleep. You're hauling out of there. The amount of times that I've laid down with River. And then she's like, "Oh, can you turn the fan on?" And I'm like, "I'll turn it on when I leave." And then she's like, "What?" And I'm like, "What?" The tails we weave. Would you have been going to toss in the apple? Would you have been able to execute that? I would have done it totally differently. I feel like they overcomplicated that whole thing. They did overcomplicated. I would have been like, that's where I would like play into my age and like trip or something and be like, "Oh, oh, can you get that? I wanted that apple." So that's what I would have done. I would have made it very easy, breezy, not like a big deal. That's how I would have done it. But you know, it's, you're not there in the middle of it. So I'm thinking of it now, but who knows what I would have, you know, done if that was actually happening? That apple thing, that was cuckoo for cocoa puff. I'm like, "Come on, guys." Did you suspect something was going on with the whole apple thing in the moment when it was when it was happening? Yeah, you would have to. It's like Victor said, it's so weird. Like, when did you see Joey Fruit? I mean, so he was so weird and really nobody ever ate fruit except that the breakfast table was cut fruit. You never saw anybody just like, you know, eat like a whole apple. So, um, yeah, that was that was something to watch. It was just like, "My gosh, guys, come on." So you're an accomplished, published author? Yes. Snarky in the suburbs. I am snarky in the suburbs. It's a whole series. By day, I give advice. On the internet to people. And usually it's, I hate my mother-in-law. That's like the number one. I have the worst mother-in-law ever. And then it's about, uh, brides. Like, you know, crazy brides, upset bridesmaids. Yeah, it's, it's a lot. Which is why the book I'm working on now is about a mother-in-law murder. Because why not? But what is snarky in the suburbs? Is it about like suburbian dramas? Is it like housewives and your novels? It's about suburban tyranny. You know, and it's about revenge. It's kind of revenge comedy. Because I love revenge. I love getting revenge. So, you know, I've, I've had my share of like getting revenge. What's the best mother-in-law or in-law advice you have for our audience? If you are a mother-in-law, and this is what my mom did because she was a freaking genius, she treated her daughter-in-law like Queens. And my sister, I'd be like, "You do anything for them. You'll let them do anything. You're so hard on us." And she goes, "But they're my daughter-in-law. I treat them very differently." I mean, she kissed daughter-in-law backside, and she had a great relationship with her daughter-in-law. So there you go. Which would she be mean to my sister and I? You know, I mean, not me, but you know that mom, are you gonna wear that sharing? No. Uh-uh. Stop that. You know, she would, you know, maybe say stuff about our child rearing. I don't know if I would have done that with her daughter-in-law. Absolutely not. It was just kissy kissy kiss. So, and she had a great relationship. So there you go. There you go. Love it. Love it. Give me who you think, give me three people who you think are going to make the finals. Well, I'm in love with Shane. We were like the same person. We're two piece in a pod. We were both kind of introvert, extroverts. Like we, like, you know how some people, they're extroverts, and they just, like, they're out of 10 all the time, and they drain your energy. And some people get hyped up by that. Shane and I were the same. Okay. This is kind of draining, you know. They could take it down a notch. So I love him. So I'm totally rooting for him because I adore him. He's like a great guy. And then Shane and Mark were the first two people I met. We were in the two, two trained together and just bond it with both of them. So I'm gonna say, um, Shane and Mark, and Katie as the little trader, oh my gosh, I mean, I'm kind of rooting for her too. Because I, you know, once again, when the first people met and she's just like, she's amazing. So that's my trio that I'm rooting for, my trained buddies that I was close to. Okay. Well, Sherry, we're sad to see you go. You're obviously a breath of fresh air. We wish we would got to see more of this very dynamic personality on traders, but it was a real pleasure getting to know you. I mean, could the show be about me more because what would be wrong with that? That's why we're here. Exactly. Love you guys. This was fun. Thank you. We appreciate you, Sherry. Best of luck with everything. Bye-bye. All right. Well, that will do it for today's episode. Thank you to our guest, Gabrielle and Sherry and we appreciate you all. Thanks for listening. We'll be back tomorrow with Kelly Benson-Mount and a lot more. See you then. Bye-bye. [BLANK_AUDIO]