E1195 - Taylor Frankie Paul's Exit, DWTS w/ Giada De Laurentiis, RHOSLC, RHOC & Traitors

[MUSIC] What's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of The Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host Nick joined by my wonderful report of fabulous wife. But it isn't about me because it's Nick's birthday today. Happy birthday. Oh my gosh. She's 64 indeed. Oh, I thought it was going to be 24. There was only one person plucking gray hairs out of their head this morning and it wasn't me. That is so true. That is so true. I have been obsessed with finding my little gray hairs. Is it, do we pluck them? I believe in them. I don't care what they bring. They bring their friends. We're getting rid of all of them. I sometimes paint them. I'm plucking them but Nick is embracing them so there is the difference between us. Because I say they're blonde. Because I have blonde hair. Yeah, it's easier for blondes as they get as they get grays. It hides very well. Wasn't that a thing a touch of gray? Wasn't that a thing for a minute? I think it is a thing a little salt and pepper. A little thing. It's definitely still a thing. It's still hot for sure. Well, our patriarchal society has allowed men to age more gracefully. We have allowed. We have allowed. We are up at the lake. We did a little last-minute trip for an expert day and brought the fam up here even though we are leaving soon to go out of the country for age of attraction. It felt like a lot but I was like, you know what? It's all I ever want for my birthday. All he wants for his birthday. Although he did tell me what he wanted some other things for his birthday that will not be repeated on air. Is she like anything else? I was like, well, he's like, well, you're asking. I'll go down the list if you really want to know. You're taking orders like you're. Not order like a course. No, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you for like course correcting but like, yeah, we get it. Not like you have to. Yeah, exactly. It was Sean saying, "Wifely duties." Exactly. No, I will say the second that I opened up the Rolex, I was like, "This is going to be a tough birthday for Nick. Like, how do you follow the Rolex?" No, this is an exercise of love languages, you know? Like I just, I don't. I definitely failed this year and it was. All I ever wanted to be at the lake is the lake. I think I had a great birthday. If I spend every birthday for the rest of my life at the lake, like watching my kids and join the lake and like hanging out with my wife, I'll have the best birthday anyone could ever have. Oh yeah. Beautiful. Quality time over material goods. And Natalie wants jewelry and bags and like, that's how she, you know, because like, she knows, like, I hate it and in a good way. Like you hate gifts. Yeah. But like, I don't get, like we talked about this in her birthday, I don't get it. So like, my willingness to do that for her, she feels that like, you know, like, when I got it for her, I text her, I must be obsessed with you. Because there is no way that I would give this to anyone I'm not. But enough about me. It's your birthday. But like, that does nothing for me, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't want, like it makes. Is that receiving like a material gift? Yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't, it doesn't, it's just my body responds differently. But this, like, there's, there's, there's, there's like a Rolex. Also it costs a lot of money to fly. So like, you know, the monetary value kind of the second that we have to get the twins out of lap seats and start buying them seats on an airplane. It's going to be really, it's why I don't know why I thought you were driving. Oh my, I have no awareness. I have no awareness. It's like an hour flight of from okay. It's a, it's a quick flight for us most of the time. Yeah, it would be a longer drive. And I honest, that is a good question of like, what would you rather do? Would you rather do a long, like, 10 plus hour drive with three kids or like, bring three kids to an airport, do the whole, like, what would you rather do? I won't, I don't have to. A short flight is definitely easier right now. There might be a point when they get older, well, it'll both be fun and might, might, arguably, certainly less expensive, but maybe. Yeah. A 10 hour drive is a lot, yeah, I love a road trip, but I sort of start to max out at seven hours for. This would be like 11. Yeah, that's tough. Now this is giving more context. With three kids who are in car seats, who just constantly want to get out of car seats. Absolutely, we're taking. Actually last week, Nally and I had to drive four and a half hours to get the twins their passports, so we could take them out of the country because like, it was like a last minute thing, so we had to like wake up, I had a flight L.I. to get the birth certificates, then we had to drive to Atlanta to get their passports, because like, only certain places can do last minute requests. And this is a whole thing, you have to have like a ticket ready to go, it's a whole, you know. Are they like the cutest little passports ever? Oh my god, does passports? It's crazy. Dav has her eyes open. She looks like a model, like she makes. It's giving model. It's. It pops in like the, it's like unbelievable. The other one's like, oh, and they're like, oh my god, love. Yeah. What do you have? Wow, yeah. Yeah, does eyes are open, iris is sleeping, and then rivers? I yeah, I'm innocent in the group chat. Rivers, I literally do not remember her ever looking like this, ever. So that's interesting. I just saw the photo and oh my god. You saw the photo? It is, yeah, it is the cutest, like all of them are so cute, but like, okay, model. No, Dav is serving. Right? Yeah, serving. But I got baby food, bro, y'all can't do this to me. But also, like, who is river? Do you see that in the middle? Like, who is that river? I was like, I was like, wait. The potty lip or iris is, or yes. Yeah, that's iris. Yeah, so cute. Oh. They're so cute, you guys. This is the cutest passports I've ever seen. I know. But anyways, that was a journey, traveling with a four hour drive with two newborns. Yeah, whoo, it'll take that baby fever right out of you, Jim. I got to see my little nephew and a little wedding tux this past weekend. It was so like a little squish melt. I just want to pop him eight months. Dude, so it looks like like a miniature thing would I call iris much, much because she's a soul. Yeah, that's that's the vibe it gives like gooey. Oh my gosh. Really gooey. Actually, speaking of niece and nephews, I was in Scottsdale this past weekend for a girls trip. And I get a call from my family. And you know, when you pick up the phone and you can tell something's wrong, like I just like immediately start crying. Because I'm like, who is it? Who's in the hospital? And my nephew, who's six years old, he was climbing in a tree fell out and broke his arm, had to get surgery. I know I was like sick to my stomachs. It's a first, he's like the first grandchild. And like, it was he was born during COVID times. Like we were all kind of like under the same roof. I feel like I was just so much there for the first year. And I, I was like, it was like devastating. But I, I guess like you guys rivers, obviously at the age where she's climbing stuff and things like that. But she's a car. She's a daredevil. It's so scary. She's like a fairly small playground in our backyard and has a tube slide. And she climbs on top of the tube slide. And it's, and we'll stand on top like it's incredible. It's also incredibly dangerous. And it's yeah. So it's like to not do that. But it is really hard though. Because I really try to walk the line of like you want them to, you know, be fearless and like try new things and learn from the mistakes and stuff. But then it's also like you don't want to be too. It's tough. No, but like yeah, rivers a bit of a daredevil and, um, I'm willing. I hope she doesn't. But, you know, yeah. Oh my gosh. How it does he, but does he like love his cast? Is he getting everyone to sign it and like pick his color and stuff? So he'll get the like the hard cast in a couple days. And I'm going to be going home in a week. And so you guys, I've never had a tattoo in my life, but my brother's getting a tattoo for this. Like he was like, if you're brave, like I'll get a tattoo for you. And now my nephew's trying to talk me into getting a tattoo. And I'm lowkey. Like maybe I do it. I've never I've, I know I'm like, get a little cast, get a little, a little cast, to be a cute little. I know. I feel like first and only tat. Yeah. I would do it for him. Like literally love him. So yeah, if you guys have ideas, send them my way. A little cast. Maybe just maybe the big cast. That's crazy. Yeah. Maybe just like his initial or like maybe the year he was born. Or I know. Just one down your neck. Yeah. He wants me to get a wiener dog and a hot dog one. And I'm like, I think no, he would have to rethink this little Tom. You could just find that on Amazon, like a temporary tattoo and do it and get his reaction. I mean, like, yeah, one of the kids won that last six weeks. Like, you know. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So I might be a tatted girl soon. All right. Well, we have a jam pack episode lined up for you today. We're open on chef and dancing with the stars competitor GF. a Dan LaRenta joins us, sadly, she was eliminated, but we still get to talk with her about her experience and obviously her being a world-renowned chef and me being a fan of cooking. I'm very excited to talk with her, all things cooking in the kitchen, but just she's a fascinating person and I'm just excited to get to know her a little bit better. I know we didn't get to undance with the stars, but hopefully we will hear and just obviously talk about her experience on dancing with the stars. We also have Xavier from Trader's new blood who was also recently eliminated and Jimmy and I talk with him about his experience. So Foley Jam packed plus we have Real Housewives of Salt Lake City to unpack Real Housewives of OC and a new reality TV show that I am very excited about. We'll talk a little bit about we'll have some parents on and by parents I mean it's team moms and it is the world of the culture of like is it fair to say crazy sports parents yeah it's giving dance moms for sports for sure. It's like they call it high performance it's like middle school kids who are like not going to actual school but they're going they all think they're going to be professionals and the parents. These are my people by the way. It's produced by Kim Kardashian which I feel like you know she knows she knows there's a whole culture of this and like it's so crazy and the fact that it's you know it's like these are parents so they found a bunch of parents to say yeah I want to do reality TV come into my house you know what I'm saying this wasn't a bunch of 22 year olds going on love island being like you know what you know Yolo I'm fascinated by it. So we'll talk a little bit about that we have two of the parents joining us this week the skullfelds skullfields skullfields skullfelds skullfelds skullfelds the skullfelds from team moms we'll be joining us so it is a jam packed week we do have to address some secret lives of Mormon wives which is only to say I'm just I'm I'm glad this is happening last week Taylor Frankie Paul announced that she was stepping down and outside of all the discourse back and forth between the two of the ladies I guess I'm just glad that like this you know it's you know she's finally taking at least a pause you know I think one thing we can all agree on is that you know and I think Taylor would agree that she's not in the best place right now and it just the struggle I think we we've talked about this right you know we love this show we've tried to cover this show it's been hard to talk about because like some of the stuff they're talking about is this it's real shit it's it's serious stuff and it's been like you know that's not what we're looking for when we're talking about these shows you know it can get you know sometimes heavy heavy content like comes on these shows you know obviously real housewives of Salt Lake City episode one had to you know you know address the passing of of Mary's son you know sometimes these worlds heavy things happen in reality because heavy things happen in life but this is a little bit different because it's it's ongoing and I think just the struggle I've always had is this like that what I'm most confused about always is the internet discourse between the cast but like Jamie and I talked about this on plus I think I empathize with the women because like this has been their whole world is this is to go online and to be active online and to share their lives and to continue their show on the internet because like secret lives of Mormon lives I think you could argue was one of the first shows if not the first show to take internet like personalities and turn it into a compelling reality TV show like a lot of networks have tried this and a lot of them have failed and those playbook of these women being so like they were just so good at it right you know a season would come out they would start arguing online they would start you know unfollowing and not following and it would be all become fascinated by this and when this serious stuff happens they still have that same playbook because that's all they know how to do and it's just I feel like it got weirder and weirder you know and I was that was going to be my question because I don't have the previous seasons for context I was wondering what made the show so good and compelling and successful early on and then like when did it go left I think it went left with this domestic so it was like a clear definitive like this is because I mean keep in mind like the show started with the whole swinging scandal right and that in itself was heavy but heavy and I like hey they can do what you want to do maybe not be my life but like no one's in theory no one's being hurt by the swinging scandal you know maybe families were being ruined but like families get ruined all the time type of thing by people making choices so like it started off that way and then it kind of went from there but it also I mean the first episode was the body cam footage from the police yeah that's you're right that's true yeah I mean to the so one I didn't answer your question Jimmy they they really yeah it leaned into their chaos sounds like but the whole premise was can Taylor turn into a leaf you know it was like and and then and then the relationship with Dakota was yeah it it really honestly I don't think any of us know what the show is what I know is captivating it seems which it's good TV is good TV like you realize now after you know they were walking a very fine line and and some people feel like that line has been crossed Liz I'm not like I'm not team anyone here but I do like I want to acknowledge that like whatever like whatever you think of Michaela you know in terms of her leaving the show it's it's evident that she is trying to do the right thing you know what I'm saying like she you know she is announced that she's donating I think her I'm assuming her salary for more than wives to charities for domestic you know for for kids in domestic abuse but like I you know it's very difficult when your whole world in business is wrapped around the show and a lot of people in this business try to convince themselves to not do the right thing because again like sometimes that choice you know there's some real consequences to doing the right thing sometimes so again this is not to say I'm team anyone but I do like it's clear that she's trying to do the right thing and it's a very difficult for her to say that she's trying to make and I commend her for doing what she thinks is the right thing because you you see far too often in the space people not doing yeah it sounds like her morals still appear to be intact at least yeah but I don't know I don't know the future of the show and quite honestly I don't know if the people making the show know the future of the show and the women on the show you know know the future of the show because it's just it's kind of a mess right now my how to take is it's going to take a roast of Taylor Frankie Paul in like a decade and everybody's going to squash their beef it's like a playful squashing of the beef air it all out kumbaya at the end you know I I just hope that is that not happened in this world I don't know I just hope that Taylor I think Taylor just needs to take a beat and take look look after Taylor and I hope that she has good people around her and I hope people give her permission to just take a break because I think right now even the fan here at fans you know now the fans are arguing who's fault it is who's ruined and it's just like come on guys like just stop well also also like some real shit like you said how there are consequences with doing the right thing like it is daunting to like step out of the alarm light when we're all in a game of relevancy so like that is that is scary to do I also think that their decisions need to be based in their genuine morals and like in their reality not based on like performance for the internet like I think Michaela stepping away and being like I'm stepping away and then not circling back when Taylor left I feel like it speaks to how Michaela feels about production about the show beyond Taylor Frankie Paul because if Taylor were the issue she would return but I think she is like standing true to her morals because she's like no I'm not coming back at all like point blank period this has gone on too far too long yeah where I feel like people take like Taylor like I don't want I don't want to say it and but I think people say oh I'm logging off I'll like I'm I'm taking a break and they post that thinking that people are gonna be like oh good job like I'm proud of you but it's performative and like I think really the reality is people need to be taking serious breaks for their own mental health and for the well-being of their children not to appease an audience and piggybacking off that I saw that Taylor Frankie Paul had her assistant like posting for her yes and her assistant was like making day in the life videos and like tagging herself which I think the internet thought was like strange and yeah it's like yeah just just get off like we don't we don't need to see like what your assistant has to share like just everyone just needs a break I just I just I don't know why she feels like she has to keep it there must there has to be it's scary it's it's I feel like you know there's when that's all you know you know and I feel like there might be someone in her ear yeah it's just like I just I want her to have I I don't know who's in her day-to-day life I just I just hope that everyone who needs assistance in this situation I hope they get it yes I also think this is like an interesting point in history where we've never been so online where we like reality is beyond just what's in front of you like actually Nick has given good advice to me before where he's like don't go where you shouldn't be looking for you know people talking about you and things like that he's like like if you just don't look it doesn't exist kind of a thing but we are living in an era where your emoji online and your little like avatar online exists beyond what you're doing in the real world and I feel like Taylor Frankie Paul [BLANK_AUDIO] And like all of the women wives, like their online persona lives, it lives online. And it's like the worlds are blending. It is hard. It's really hard to know that there are active conversations about you. Sparaging your character and to be like, it's not my business. It's really hard, yeah, it's hard, you know, it's hard, but it's necessary. If you want to have longevity in this, you know, like the name of this game, and I guess at any career, it really is longevity. And the hardest thing to do, especially entertainment, is to stick around. And the only way to do that is to keep, like, keep your sanity. But yeah, it's hard to do, really hard to do. It's hard. That's why I credit so much to sports. And I was with team, with was team moms. Like I'm curious to see how that plays out, because like you learn at a young age, like try by fire, you got no choice, but like you chalk up stuff to noise. You don't let that get in the locker. You don't let that enter your mental state. Yeah. No, I'm interested in the show, because I think there's going to be a lot of days you're going to see with these parents. And you're going to see like a lot of intense behavior. But some of it, you know, I'm curious what you think. Some of it I'm going to kind of down for. Yeah. There's like a comfortability in that chaos that like you grow up in, you know? Just like, like, I mean, I think I've said this, like my, my, I was in the sixth grade and I joined this like wreck baseball team. This was, this wasn't like a club. This wasn't intense. This was anyone can play, you know, just, just pay $25 and anyone can play. And my baseball coach was like this former minor leaguer practice. One, I'm in the sixth grade, 10 minutes in. He's screaming in my ear. I don't know what, but he's screaming, like spitting, you know, not spitting, but like he's so close that he just probably got a lip in. And my parents were like on the sideline, you know, and they were like, listen to your coach. And he ended up being my coach for like four years and taught me how to play baseball. And I have like a, I have a, like a soft spot in my heart for this man. I haven't seen in three decades. But he taught me a lot about like, yeah, being a competitor and like grit and like, yeah, and tough love and that, that's helped me immensely in life. And there's like, and if that shit happened today, he probably would have been arrested. Yeah, I think about that stuff all the time. I'm really legit. So just throwing basketballs at you like, that's crazy. It really wasn't though. I mean, I was so kosherky, man. Like they were there to do. You can't be throwing what you can't, yeah, but yelling, I don't know. But he wanted me to snap the damn pass. He wanted me to throw the ball harder. Yeah, yeah, showing you how you want to show you how to get the ball from one end to the other. No, I know. Like it's, yeah, you have, you have some love for them, those, those heart. One of my favorite, my dad was like my basketball coach is a kid and one of my favorite quotes that he like ever said to me was, and it was when I would think that I know everything. And I was like being a little smart as and he'd be like, I taught you everything you know about basketball. Not everything I know about basketball get in line. And I'd be like, yes, that's a part. That's a part, actually. That's good. That's good. That's pretty good. That's really good. All right, well, the show will continue. And it continues with Giata DeLorentas, the Dancing with the Stars competitor and world renowned chef, she joins us next to talk about her experience on Dancing with the Stars. And hopefully it will learn a thing or two about being in the kitchen. She's up next. Giata, welcome to the show. Hey, hi guys. Thanks for having me. How are you? How's your heart having been eliminated from Dancing with the Stars? Are you hanging in? Oh man. It took me a few days to kind of, yeah, I don't know, not feel so sad. I didn't realize it would be such an emotional roller coaster to be honest. Yeah. No, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it hurts. It stings. It definitely stings to be eliminated. Yeah. No, I, I, I hear that. And you strike me as someone who's like, you know, highly successful a competitor, you know, like in a two-minute, so to speak. So I imagine like, yeah, that must have been a disappointment. Yeah. I'm not an athlete, like, there are definitely some Olympic athletes, gold medalists actually this, this season. So I'm not that competitive, I guess, but yeah, I'm pretty competitive. I don't think. You know, I think in order to be somewhat successful in life, you got to be somewhat competitive, right? Something got to drive you. Yeah. And so, yeah, and there haven't been many times in my life where I've been criticized so, I don't know, so openly in front of so many people, especially on something that I don't do well, which you would think because I wasn't a dancer, and I didn't really know anything about dance, that I would take it a little bit better, but I didn't, it didn't feel good. Yeah, I don't know if I ever trained to be able to take online criticism. Well, I am curious because, you know, we're so excited that dancing with the stars has kind of found this kind of new era, right? And it's very online focused and we're seeing the dancers and the couples create content. But I am curious. I didn't realize it. It's been kind of a tough go and the, are people very critical of the dances? Like what has been the harshest critique that you were kind of found to be a little unexpected? Actually, I think people were really lovely online, to be honest. Oh, I think, you know, for the most part, I think that a lot of, like, women and people in my age group, I think when you get to your 50s, it's sort of a different, it's like you have less time in front of you than you have behind you, and that's a weird psychological thing that happens. You guys are all super young, so I get that it's hard to understand. But like, you really start to realize your mortality and you stop doing things that scare you. You just do why? Because it's so cozy over here, just, you get comfortable in your own space, you know? And so you don't really want to do anything that kind of shakes that. And so I think that there were a lot of lovely, lovely comments. I think the comments before my first dance were that pointing out my age, and that I was the oldest person to compete, and that kind of like, "Hey, this isn't really for you. This is more a young person's game." So kind of like, "God, can you just get out of the way?" Which I get because, I don't know, I think it is a young person's game. It really is. I mean, it's a lot of stamina. No days off. You're rehearsing so many hours a day. And honestly, when you get older, your body just doesn't recoup in the same way you do when you're younger. So it totally makes sense, right? But then after my first dance, I think because I couldn't believe I actually did it. So I broke down when I was in the Julianne. And I think I was so emotional because I knew my daughter was watching live. And I don't know, it just overwhelms you a little bit. And so after that, I felt like I got a lot of love. So that was really lovely to see. So I think it's just sort of a roller coaster that I didn't realize it was going to be such a roller coaster. And honestly, I didn't realize there was so much social media around it. I think the social media has amped up season after season after season. And it's an all time high now. So it's funny that you pointed out obviously your peers and where they come from. Because when I remember when I was on it a long time ago, you know, I had Olympians, professional athletes. And the thing that I struggled with the most that surprised me was the live studio audience, right? You know, I knew it was a TV show. I knew it would be aired and viewed by millions. And I didn't really think much about that. But like when I got on the Dancing Floor in the live studio audience, that that made me nervous. My question for you is someone who you cook in front of an audience often, you know, did that in any way prepare you to dance in front of the live studio audience where you felt like that helped you out? Or were you like me, which is like, I've literally never done anything like this in terms of performance in front of people. And that I really struggled with that. Honestly, Nick. By the way, I heard it's your birthday. So happy as birthday. Thank you. Thank you. What a way. What a way to spend your birthday. I'm thinking about my mortality too. Not yet, dude. Not yet. Anyways, I thought it did. I really, really went into this thinking. I've done live television. I've done live performances. I've done this stuff. So I think I get it. You don't. I didn't until I got out there. Even honestly, the dress for her soul, they tried to like, amp it up a little bit. But once you really get in there and I watched the first person on the first episode go, my heart, and I thought, holy shit, I don't know if I could. And it's not just, I don't know about when you did it, Nick, but it wasn't just the crowd on the stage, but behind the scenes, there's so much energy. Yeah. Especially that first night, there were so many TikTokers, so much media, like cameras and everything going so there were so much going on for those full two hours. But by the time you get on that dance floor, I was like, it's going to explode. Like I felt like all of that energy, all that tension, all of that excitement, all of the adrenaline was just going to like come out of me like a volcano I couldn't control. And lo and behold, it did. So yeah, you think you got, I thought I got it, but I didn't until I actually was there. And then when you get there, you know, you're trying to be in the zone and you're trying not to pay attention to the package because they kept telling you to pay attention to the package, it'll throw you off your game and you won't remount like all this stuff. So you're trying to keep all this stuff in your head. And I think I had a moment of disassociation, truly. Like you start dancing and you literally, I felt like I disassociated with my, like my mind and my body we're not we're not together. in that dance. That's so valid. That makes all of a sudden. In the, after your first dance, you shouted out your daughter and said, like, I did it. It was so sweet. What conversations have you all had since then? And like, do you feel like this has kind of brought the two of you closer? Definitely. Yeah. You know, there's something, my daughter loves all things acting and musical theater and Broadway and all that. And she has gone to college to do just that. The one piece that she never quite mastered is dancing. And so I think for her, she was like, Mom, you should do this because I feel like you're doing something that I have always wanted to do, but I'm too scared to do. So maybe you take the first leap, I will take the leap. She's always said she want to learn to dance, but she's like, why do it now? I feel like I'm so good at this other stuff. I don't want to be bad at something. And I think the lesson to be learned is, I think also because she's seen her mom achieve most of her life. It's good to hurt for her, although as painful as it is for me, for her to see me not achieve with something and get eliminated earlier on, which I think she didn't think was possible. And so I think it's in looking back on it, I feel like maybe it will help her take risks in her life without feeling horrible if she falls flat on her face doing it. Is there a little pressure as a parent in that moment to recognize that and put on a good face? Definitely. Absolutely. Yeah. I think that, as you know Nick, it's a very vulnerable show, you have to literally crack yourself open and be okay with the amount of criticism that comes your way. And I think that leading up to it, there's a lot of, I'm sadly a perfectionist. And so I wanted to be like really good and I realized, oh shit, I'm not going to be really good at this. And I think that that's the scary part, as I'm not going to be good at it, everybody is going to judge me and I'm going to look like a moron. And that's what, that's what it felt, that's what was going on in my head. So I think that when Karyan from the first dance gave me a six, I was like, oh my God, it like built up my self esteem, I think enough to get me to week two. You and Alan had a real fun relationship, but you also, you guys posted, you guys having a little bit of a confrontation or just a little, a little, a little, a little disagreement. Healthy friction. Healthy friction. Yeah. I did. You know, it's funny. I did a podcast earlier today with Alan and they asked the same question. I was like, you know, I, and I think he's right. When you're both perfectionist because Alan is also a perfectionist, I mean, he wouldn't be doing what he does if he wasn't, and he wouldn't be at the level he's at. Yes. I think you feel pressure. I mean, yes, it's supposed to be fun. But for the second dance, we had four days, four days to learn a new dance, of which, you know, I've never learned a lot. I don't have any dance backgrounds. So all I knew was the tango. And then it got thrown out the window and he was like, no, now you don't bend your knees. Now you dance on your toes. And I had a broken toe. And I think for me, I was like, wait, what? I thought it was going to, the second dance would be easier because I did all of that rehearsals for the first dance for almost a month. You thought it would carry on? And then I realized, yeah, I felt like, I felt like when you got, well, I thought when you got one dance, the second, the third, the fourth, sometimes it would come a little easier just because you got the first one. No, what I just realized is that completely, totally different dances. And that if it took me almost a month to get the first dance, I think I realized the day one, like, oh my God, I have four days for the second dance. How am I ever, and I think that fear, because it's all driven by fear, at moments got the best of me. But I think, Alan, I don't, Alan and I never got mad or frustrated with each other. I think we've got frustrated with ourselves in the sense that Alan was trying to figure out, how do I teach this woman quickly, right? And I was trying to figure out, why am I not learning this faster? Like, what is wrong with me, that I can't seem to learn it faster? And I think those two combinations sometimes seemed like we were having a tense moment. But really, Alan was, I hate to say this, but like my therapist the full time, like literally my therapist. I love this part of the dancing with the stars, which is the relationship between the pro and the celebrity, because you're right, it's so, it is intense, and the Alan, the whole group, the pros, they take this very seriously, it is their passions, their livelihood. And you know, and we talked about a sharner about this, like, you know, not every pro, not every, you know, celebrity is the same in terms of their interests or passion level. And you're right, they all come, you know, all of them on some level have achieved very high levels, and they're very good, they're very used at being good at things. And I think that it is a learning curve with every couple to kind of figure out how to best work with each other. And yeah, I think the best relationships are the ones that have a little bit of friction because you both know you care. I'm sure Val has a lot of fun, fun stories about, because like, Val, he's intense, you know, and we love that about him, but he expects a lot from, you know, it's like, I don't care if you're celebrity, you showed up, you're here, you're a dancer now, and like that is all that. And this, yeah, you accepted this challenge, now freaking step up and do it, and don't complain about it. You know what I mean? Like, I totally get that. And I think for most people accept a challenge, they just want to look good doing it. Like they just, they just do, right? And you care so much, and when two people care so much, that stuff does happen. And I think, you know, and I felt like, oh man, I'm going to let Alan down too, because this is his profession. I don't want to make him look like a jackass either, right? And so, and he's constantly was sending me texts like, I believe in you, you have to believe in yourself. You know, it's going to be great. We're going to be great. Just believe in yourself. Like, I'm not kidding when I say he was a therapist and lots of affirmations have came in all the time. I could never have imagined that. Yeah. Never. I wanted to say, I think your career is really impressive. And I think it's unique because a lot of people can be like, really good at something creative or artistic or, you know, in your case, being a chef and cooking and things like that. Or you can be like, really good at business and finance. And you've found a way to do both. And it sounds like you're a perfectionist and I'm like, like, how do you manage doing both and have a career where you're both being creative, but also just like, being so well-known and like, and kind of popping up everywhere. I mean, making onto dance with the stars, like, sure you went home week two. But I'm like, just to get on that stage is so impressive. And like, how do you have the, the brain that does both sides of it? Well, the creative side of me is the, is the passion side of me. The business side has been sort of, I've had to force myself to kind of learn it. Okay. I never, I never really cared about that sort of it to be honest. But I've had to learn to care about it. And I think to, to build myself confidence, I had to learn the business side of what I was doing because I felt like if I didn't really understand, for instance, what a P&L of a restaurant, if I couldn't read the P&L, I really didn't know my business very well. And I needed to understand, and this is, this is, this is sort of the same issue I had at dancing. I felt like, I needed to understand the steps. Like, why am I taking these steps? And what does it lead to? Right, very much like reading a P&L and the business side of things. And Alan kept saying to me, you need, don't worry about where it leads, don't worry about the next step, don't worry about it, just follow the feeling in your body. And I have to say that one of the things I learned is that I have allowed myself over the years to move too much into the head space and the business side and not tapped into enough over the years where I started into the, the feeling of it all because food and cooking is a feeling. It's, it's an emotion, right? And I've allowed myself to get too far into the head space of the business side, which is sort of alienating that other artistic side. And I think Alan reminded me, hey, your body knows it. Your mind doesn't need to know it, doesn't need to explain it. Let's just follow the feeling that you have and funny enough with me, he said it was the first time he ever had a celebrity right down the steps. We literally wrote it down on a piece of paper, every step. And when he first started with me, we were in New York and I just dropped off my daughter at college. And he made me write it down, I thought, this is a waste of time. What am I writing down? I don't even understand what I'm writing. And lobe behold you guys, that's how I got the tango. I read it over and over and over and somehow it's seeped into my body and the two were aligned. And I think we didn't do that as much for the salsa because we didn't have time to do it. And it sort of created a little bit of a disconnect for me and a frustration, I think. You know, hearing you talk about the balance of business and creativity, Giata, it really hits for me because I turn 46 today. But I, you know, I run my business, you know, so much of what we do is the creative space when I got into entertainment, you know, I left the business world and that is a young kid. I wanted to be a cartoonist for Disney and I had a real creative side. But I got away from it and went into the business world and I got out of it and I was kind I'm gonna take it a chance myself and I could, you know, I really didn't have a chance. job at the time and it was fun to really to happen in this creative space. And I felt like I got funny or more creative. And now that I have all this responsibility and running a team, I've thought this many times in the past couple years, I feel like I'm getting less funny, I'm getting less creative. And it's because I feel like I'm always like I'm always having to worry about the problems or the business side of things. And it's such a challenge. I feel like I face constantly trying to juggle, you know, running things versus staying in that creative space. So my question to you is how I know it's a challenge, but how have you been trying to maintain that as you struggle trying to juggle all aspects of your career? Well, I think it's something that I try to do every day and really what it means is for me is to let go of the control and allow other people that have been around me for a while that I trust, trying to take over some of those spots. And that's really, really hard. When you care so much and when you've worked so hard to build something, you get it in your head that you're the only one that can make this happen. And if you wanted to succeed and continue, you're the only one that can do it. But honestly, that's just a falsehood that we tell ourselves to keep ourselves, I think, important. But there are other people that can do it. And other people do care. And I've found ways to allow people into the business so that they do care. And they build on that. And they take off some of the things off my plate so I can be more creative. And I have to tell you that after COVID was when I really started to realize, oh wow, I'm spinning. I'm spinning, and I'm not enjoying it anymore. And I left food network. And I was just like, I needed all to stop for a minute. I just need a moment to breathe. To figure out, wait, can I go back 10 steps and see why I got into this business in the first place? What was it that I loved so much? Because I feel like I've gotten away from what I loved so much. And you almost feel like you're going to hit a roadblock at a certain point, right? Because you aren't being as creative. The stuff you're not allowing, I know this sounds a little weird, but you don't let the universe talk to you anymore. Because you've blocked it out. Because we've really learned over the years to really use the mental part of everything. And we stopped getting in touch with the creative side, which is the other side of our brain. And I feel like maybe over the years, I felt like that wasn't as important anymore. But I realize that is all that I am, really. I'm really this teacher that is inspired by her homeland, by the people there, by other people around me, and that I've stopped listening so much, or I did stop listening, because I was so worried about the dynamics of a P&L and the business side. So I think it's really important for us, especially now, that's happening in AIs, that we remember our humanity and what makes us special. And what makes us special is our creative sides. And we all have it. And we all can tap into it. It's just that we have to make conscious decisions every day to tap back into that. How did you get started in being a chef and cooking, and how did your, what's your origin story? - I moved to the States when I was seven years old from Italy, and my grandfather had a pasta factory, or his parents had a pasta-facting naples for World War II. So he sold pasta and sauces when he was a kid. And then a World War II happened in everything sort of collapsed in Italy. And he went into the war and then went to Italy, became a movie producer. My family really has been in the movie business for over 60 years. And my grandfather made Oscar-winning movies forever and ever and ever. And my grandmother was an actress. And so then we moved to the States 'cause he made movies here in the US. And then, but in the background, we were always a family of cooks. And my first love was making pizza with my grandfather when I was five. And over the years, I found myself not loving the movie business and but loving to be around food. And that's where I got sort of my, that's where I felt somewhat of an importance in my family 'cause Italian families were very loud. And my grandfather was very like domineering. And so I ended up going to cookie school after college and I ended up just cooking and then eventually becoming a private chef and then eventually found myself doing some magazine stuff. And really I got my start when food network saw my profile. My family's profile, my grandfather was getting a lifetime achievement award at the Oscars. And I made a dealer at his family lunch at his house with all my family and they saw that. And they asked me to put myself on tape. - Wow. - I did that and my career sort of just blew up from there. And everything happened from there. All my television shows, my restaurants, my cookbooks, my partnerships, everything just kind of went from there. - That's incredible. - I love to cook. I'm the cook in my family. - He feeds all of us. - What do you think, God for me? - I love me. - Lots of things. I don't have the most expansive palette. I like to say I'm really good at cooking the things I like. - Okay, fair enough. - Our topic came up over the weekend. We're up at the lake house with my parents and I'm used to cooking with kosher salt. And I like to put a lot of salt on my steak. And I was like, "Yeah, we need more salt." My mom had a big bag of sea salt. And I was like, "You don't have kosher salt." And she was like, "What's the difference?" And I'm like, "I honestly don't know." But I always cook with kosher salt. What is the difference? (laughing) - Well, sea salt is way more intense, right? It comes from the sea, so it's incredibly salty. So if you were to use the same salt, if you were to use the amount of kosher salt and that you used normally with sea salt, you would not be able to eat it. It would be way too salty. - It was saltier last night, yeah, it was saltier. - It had to have been saltier because sea salt is way more intense. And so what I, yeah, so kosher salt also tends to be coarser. So when chefs like to use it, because it isn't as intensely salty as sea salt is, but it's also got a texture to it so that you don't have to measure. You can just feel the granules between your fingertips, which is why a lot of chefs love using kosher salt. So they can use more of it, and it spreads evenly, and it cooks really well. So sea salt also when it's put overseas intensifies even more. So that's why a lot of times we don't cook with a ton of sea salt. What we do use is sea salt for our pasta water to give it that really-- - Yeah, 'cause I put a lot of salt in my pasta water. - It's like flavor. - I feel like I've learned so much right now. This is the thing. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when we use it for pasta water, we do not use it for cooking, and especially not steaks. Because the steak penetrates it, right? So you want it to stay on, you don't want it to go too deep into the meat, because it will ruin the texture. You want it to stay right on the surface, the kosher salt will be great like that. - Okay. - That is your daughter's favorite thing that you make. - Probably Bolognese. Traditional Bolognese from Bologna. - Oh my gosh. - She's sexy. - Yes, but she does not cook at all. - Wow, that's your favorite, too. - Well, we're having homemade pizza tonight. My mom's really been in the, she makes a good-- - Did she make dough? - Yeah, she makes everything. She's a great baker. I learned my cooking from her mom. So, but yeah, she, and then I also learned how to make a homemade tomato sauce for my ex-Italian girlfriend. - I love that. - So, shout out to Vanessa. - See? - See, that's great. I love that. - Yeah, it's great. - I love it when a woman can leave her mark and she takes something from it, and we move it into the whole new family. - I mean, it's fantastic. - It's so easy. - Battle in the kale salad. - Yeah, the kale salad, the kale salad changed my life. Yeah. - Amazing. I love that. - Yeah, before we let you go, we want to play a little fun cooking game. Kind of the green flags and red flags of cooking if you don't mind playing along with us. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - My first question. Green flag or red flag? Breaking the pasta before you put it in the water. - Red flag. I mean, unless it's long, long, long ones, then you could break it, but not the regular. Air friars. Oh, red flag. - I bought an air fri, I bought an Air fri once when I was talking about it, used it once, and I was like, never again. - Was it the oven kind though, or was it like that? - I don't know, it doesn't matter. - Listen. - I'm a parent. - I don't even use a microwave. - It's a big difference. There's so much stuff that you're adjusting when you use those things you guys. - Yeah. - I'm a big fan. I'm canceled in chef culture. - Okay, what about a Lake Crusade? - Do I say that right? - Oh yeah. - Love. - Oh yeah. - Yeah, Dutch ovens. - Awesome. - Girl dinners. - Oh, absolutely. I'm green light. Sorry. - Green light. - What is thinned fish? These are like TikTok viral ones. What is it? - Ten fish. - Oh, ten fish. - Ten fish. - Like, Sardine Ranchovies. - Oh. - Green light. - Oh, she's-- - I love those. - Oh, she's-- - Yay! Squeeze bottle olive oil. - No. Plastic fountain. - No. - Absolutely not. - No, no, no. - That's what you said about that. The plastic. You're like, it's been sitting in this plastic. - Awesome. Listen, can I just say something? we do use them in restaurants, but it goes fast like we've refill them several times a night. For most people, it's sitting on their counter for a long time and it's usually sitting next to the stove, which means it's heating up that plastic. So hello, but no, and also it doesn't, no. Buying pre-cut fruit, Red Light, whatever, it's like makes them sick. So why are you spending the, why are you spending the extra money? And I don't know what cutting board it was cut on. Thank you. What nights they used, like cross-contamination. The freshness, the freshness is out the door. 100%. You don't even know when it was cut. Yeah. What about oil in your pasta water? Well, it's a red light most of the time and it's a green light if you're making lasagna. Say more. Why? Well, because lasagna sheets, if you're cooking them and you don't put a little bit of oil in the water, they all stick together. So what are you going to peel those suckers apart? You got to peel them apart. Why is it a no-go in the other pasta? Well, because you're literally making the starch fall off the noodle. So then when you add the sauce, it slides. So you know how sometimes you go, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the sauce is cooled at the bottom. It's because they pre-cooked the pasta and put a bunch of oil in it. So you will never be able to mix the two together. And the whole point is that the sauce sticks to the pasta and it will never stick. Because you've just made it slippery. Okay. Wow. What do you feel like is the biggest misconception right now with cooking, with, I don't know, I feel like there, you have so many tips and tricks and you know so much and I feel like there's so many people on. Or like the biggest cooking trend or the biggest cooking trend that you hate. Yeah. The biggest cooking trend that I, well, I certainly don't like air friars. Okay. And that's a huge trend. My gosh. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I feel like, I know, but like, I'm a single solo girly. So I just like, I'll put like really just quick, easy meals, like it's so, it makes me like so much easier. You can make a quick and easy meal with a frying pan. Yeah, but then if I'm avoiding like a little oil, you know, it just like still gets the crisp of something crispy. Yeah, but you can, you can use an oil spray if you want. I guess my point is this with those types of shortcut cooking. It comes with a lot of junk you're putting in your body, right? So we need to start controlling, well, yeah, what, what is on an air fryer? How could I use this? No oil. Yeah. It doesn't, it doesn't matter. The heat. Have you ever smelled what they smell like that high heat with all that plastic and all of those smells like an airport coatings? It does. It's terrible. It's terrible. And you're eating it every day. I'm going to send you a link, I'm going to DM you and be like, okay, I use this one. We know you have you going before you do what's next for you. Please let us know all the great things that you're doing. I know you have some restaurants, this restaurant where people can find all the great stuff. We can find a lot of cooking tips and all sorts of stuff to go fast without an air fryer on jazzy.com. We'll get Susie the book, yeah. Yeah. And I have a great gluten free pasta that you can get it sprouts and on Amazon and anyway. I just think, I would just, the thing that I love the most about what I do is to teach people how to sort of impress themselves. He can cook for one just with very few things and a skillet is really all you need to make a really great dinner. I promise. I promise. Hey. Yeah. Like my soul, like Natalie Sisters, her partner, he's a chef and I used to always make garlic bread with like garlic salt and whatever. And then he just like cuts some garlic, sauteed in butter and like, it was like, oh my god, that's so much fresher. It doesn't take any much, no, no much longer prep and it was this like, it changed the game. Yeah. And it's way cheaper. Yeah. I love talking to people, as people who know how to cook and learn those little things. It's like you can pick so much. Yeah, it's great. But you can do all, you can learn all these things. Like at this point, like you can find it on social media, you to be like, we didn't, when I was growing up, I didn't have the ability to do that. Nowadays we can inform ourselves, we can be better. We can take better care of ourselves. The info's out there. Good. We appreciate you. So I loved watching you on Dance with the Star so sad that it was a short run, but it was a great run nonetheless. Good luck with everything. We appreciate your time, Jenna. Thank you. Thank you so much, guys. All right. Bye. You better throw that air fryer in the trash, Susie. I'm scared. Okay. But they have glass ones, you guys. I'm going to get the glass one. I'm going to DM her. Do you? Do you? You don't cook, period? Oh no, I do cook. But it's just so much easier to do like an air fryer, everything, like, if I'm, I feel like I'm always in a rush and it just makes everything so good and crispy, but not the, not the oven ones, like the oven ones, I'm like, that's giving soggy, but like the ones where you close it up, like, oh, I love that wouldn't know. I'm sending the text. Well, it was great to talk with Giata. She's absolutely a sweetheart. That's, again, it's a, it's a, it's a deep lineup of competitors this season. So tough competition, it's tough competition, you know. I think, you know, back in the day, you know, you would be like, you know what, you would, you would hope that you get a couple, maybe older competitors and you assume, well, I'm going to be longer than them. But now it's just like again, like everyone, every lane has its niche and you have the Guillermo's and you know, you have the Andes from last season. It's like, no one can be underestimated. I have a question. How, what's weighted more heavily the, the judges votes for the audience, the audience votes for sure. I don't know. I think, listen, they're, they're making TV. So I think, you know, no one knows how it works, which I think is a benefit to how they make TV, I think gives them a little wiggle room. But I think when it comes to like voting, I think, I think there's kind of some FCC rules and regulations around that. But I also feel like, but the fact that it's not solely based off of the votes and no one knows how it's weighted, gives the show, they get to pop it right, they get, I feel like it gives them some flexibility. It has to, especially because there's no cash prize, right? Or is there a cash prize with not a cash prize, but you make more each week, you advance. And if you make it to the finals, you make a considerable more amount of money than everyone else. Okay, yeah, then I think you're probably in the clear to make a little, but the finalists make the same same with the bachelor, like, since there's no cash prize for winning, they can manipulate things where as other shows, like love Island where there's a cash prize, there's like a lot of rules, kind of like dancing in the stars. There's an open to manipulation. Well, I mean, people do win money, money is on the line, but yeah, I don't know. I don't want to be, you know, but it is, yeah, I don't know. It is fascinating. Listen, I think the winners always make sense, you know what I'm saying? Like it's not like you're like, you know, why? I mean, sometimes some controversy as things get towards the end, but at that point, like, you know, Whitney last season was eliminated. She easily could have made the finals and know what a bad at I, but at that point, it was a pretty deep, you know, it was a pretty deep cast of people who really had done well. So we'll see. It's a lot of great names left and there's another episode tonight. so we're excited to see who advances and who goes home. - Jimmy and I will be there. - Yeah, it's all mine. - Devile Fuzz will be there. Check us out. - Check us out. - To some of the competitors. - Who are you excited to talk to the most? - Gare 'em up. - Oh gosh, Gare 'em up is gonna be great. I feel like Tyler Cameron, I hope we get to talk to Tate too. I'm like, can she come around the press line with him? - He's a place lover. - Maybe I bet you can make that happen. I bet you can make that happen. - Yeah. - Well, Teen Moms is a new show. It's out on Paramount Plus, and I don't know if it's captured people's attention yet, but it's certainly captured ours. It is a show about the-- - Baseball moms. - Baseball moms, but I don't think it's limited to baseball. I think a lot of these sports, every major sport I think has these hyper competitive leagues. I have a buddy whose sons are in hockey. They have two boys, and I think they're really good. My friend, he's a level-headed parent. They have two boys every weekend. I think almost every weekend of the year, they're in different spots because they're all travel regionally. And so they have to go to mom and go-- - Mom takes one, dad takes another. - They play their games, and now it's so intense, you can watch games online. A couple of years back, they had two parents having a fair on the road trips. - Oh, my gosh. They need a show. - They need a show. - But think about it, every weekend, you're traveling with the mom and of a different family, and you're spending all these weekends together, and there's a community, right? There's an intensity, there's a relate, you know. - There's a lot of that, there's a lot of that, honestly. There's a lot of the, they wanted their kid to get a little more playing time. Maybe they want him up in a batting order. It's a flood on. - Oh, oh my gosh. - A lot of that, oh yeah. I got some crazy stories back in a day. These leagues are hiring like, you know, real coaches, they're making real money, you know. Like some of these leagues are costing tens of thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars to join. - Well, yeah, so my brother coach is one of the most well-known AAU basketball programs in the country, we like Derek Rose, Anthony Davis, a lot of like top NBA players from Chicago came through. And nowadays because of the NIL rule passing in college athletics, high school kids can now get paid. And parents hear this that their kids are getting offered $30,000, $40,000, $50,000. There's a kid that plays in California. They got $100,000 from Nike to go from Under Armored to Nike's program. So parents are aware of this. So like it's even crazier now. There's high incentive for your kid to play and play well. I feel like this show also really shows you like the quote unquote bad reputation that like boy moms get, you know, when boy moms like he's my little boyfriend, or they always like make it weird. And I feel like this is what because these moms are so just like, oh, my sons, they're just such good baseball players and like, it's just what it's like it does appearance perspectives or just family members perspectives. We have a family friend and this is like a wild back. But they were like, they were talking to one of our friends about their relative and the way they talked about it was crazy because it was this like, they were like, he is so good at his sport, you know, and his, his, I think some kind of relative was like some kind of Olympian at some point in their life, I don't know. And the way they were telling it to our friend is if he was like training for the Olympics. And our friend was like, oh, my God, he's like training for the Olympics and the family members like, yeah. And I know the kid, you know, his real, I'm sure he's just like a good high school kid. He's not like he's, he's tell, you know, like, but the family members are seriously. The family member hyping him up was this like, you know, it was all in love. It was all just love and hyping him up. But the way, the way this person told the story was as if they were like, like on a training path to be the Olympian and I was like, they're just, they're just good at high school. A good kid. Yeah, but the way these parents like are like, you know, he's, yeah, they'll talk about their kid as if like they're gonna get drafted, you know. My uncle did that with my, with my cousin who was playing division three basketball, which is like, you know, an accomplishment, happy form, but like, you know, like there's always levels to this. And he's telling me about all these things and what he's going through. I'm like, do you know who you're talking to like, yeah, I love, I love my cousin, but like, come on. Yeah, it's, it's always crazy, just like how, like how people see their, you know, I mean with River, right? Like everything she does, we're always looking at each other being like, is she exceptional? Or is she just growing up and we're seeing it for the first time? Like she's really fast. Did I tell you I had a call with her teacher, did I talk about this on the podcast? I had a call with her teacher and I was just like, I just want to know obviously how is she doing, you know, she gets in the car for school and it's kind of, they say to like, let your kids decompress after school and to not be like, so how was your, how was your day? Who'd you talk to? Would you eat for lunch? So I just like don't say anything. And then she doesn't really say much either. So I don't get a lot about her. So I had this call with her teacher and I'm like, how is she doing? Like, what's going on? She was like, first of all, I have to say like, y'all've done a really great job with her. She is the best manners that I've ever seen. She's so polite. And that they're like, she's very empathetic. If there's ever a kid who's sad or crying, she's the first to go over to them and offer them a hug. Like, she plays with everybody, she's not like, she'll play with boys, she'll play with girls, like, she's open to play with whoever and she's like, and she's always singing. And it is, and this is so cute because now she sings this little song about, how's it go? I grew up very religious, right? So I grew up around religion my whole life, very comfortable with religion. I'm not a very religious person anymore, but I'm still incredibly comfortable with it because it's like, was the core of my childhood. And despite other people not having always a positive experience in that space, I was lucky enough to have one. We haven't been raising river with any type of religious background, which is, it's just not part of our life. We chose to send river to a Christian-based school, mostly just because we were comfortable to school. And I put river to bed the other night and she starts singing. This is the day the Lord has made. So like, hearing my daughter sing about the Lord and like, I've never spoken to her about the Lord. It was kind of a trip. It was kind of adorable and it was just like, really cute, but like, it was a trip. Yo, Ribbon on this, I, my parents, I wasn't able to like get into religion at all because Sundays were for basketball. So like, I could have, right? So like, by the time my parents got to me, I was the fourth son. They were like, Angola, like, we, he's not going to be able to go to church. He's got games to go to. Yeah. Oh my God. It took, it took a very serious out of young age. If your children were to show like exceptional abilities and dedication to whatever sport it is, whether it's like soccer or competitive cheerleading gymnastics, whatever it might be, would you guys be open to relocating your lives so that they could get into a prestigious program like this? These people, I think these people move to Arizona to do this probably not. But again, I, I don't, I've never, you know, you haven't been there. I think I would like for like, let's say, if they were really good at golf and you lived like up northwards cold all the time, I would want to move to like Florida or Scottsdale where they could train. You're around or something. So Jimmy would do it. Simulator. But again, like, I don't have a child. I don't know. It's tough. I think it's a weird precedent to send with your kid that you're going to uproot the whole family's life for the kid in this dream because it's like, what if your other kids have like at their good at other things that involve like being in a different place? Yeah. Do you have other kids? That's, that's another variable. Also, like, you know, listen, I, you know, my life has been more about like, I didn't have this. I didn't have that. I still figured it out. Like, I think there's, I think there's ways to still invest in your kid and, and give them every opportunity to be great without, without necessarily doing that. But like, so I don't think I would, I would. So again, my parents by the time they got to me, they told, like, I made a deal with them. Like, I, I saw the way my brothers all had to work a job after school. If I just dedicate that time to training for basketball, is that okay? And they made that compromise with me. Would y'all do something like that? Yeah. I mean, but it, it really all depends on, on the why and, and if I believe they'll back it up, you know, I gave, I had to guarantee that I would get a scholarship to pay for college. Well, I don't. So it worked out, but it was a gamble. Are there any, like, checks and balances, like in terms of a job, you know, like, how, you know, like, job you have to train, like, I, like, I would be gone from six amps to 10 and 10 p.m. Tuesdays, Thursdays. Yeah. I would definitely, like, you know, obviously we're, we're, as of today in a position to be financially secure. Like, you know, when I was a kid, if I wanted something, my parents were like, well, I can't afford to give that to you. So go move on. You know, and that taught me a lot of, like, good work ethic and how to earn things. So I'm in a position that if my kid wants to dedicate their energy and time to a passion of theirs, and they show a willingness to be great, and they show a willingness to outwork their peers. Like I will definitely want to support that. I want my kids to understand the value of how it earned something and work towards something, right. And it doesn't always have to be a job. And if you're in a position to like, you know, teach them a lesson and, and allow them to focus their energy on the things they have a passion for, then yeah, I, yes, like I think as a parent, all I want my kids is to be passionate about something and, and, and want to be great at something. That's it. I don't care what it is. And I know, I know you're going to say I don't care. But if you could, in a perfect world, is there like a selfish, desired hobby or passion for your kids? Like, obviously I want my kid to like, hoop or like, play golf or something, or like, would you want your kid to be a singer or? Remember really like singing. So like, I think we'll definitely give her like a chance to take some singing lessons. She sinks constantly. She really, I mean, and I don't know if it's like, it's her first kid. I don't know if it's something every two year old does according to her teacher. It's unique. She also like makes up songs a lot, like, and I don't like she, oh, she freestyles. She does. She'll be like, the trees are way, they are saying hello. It's like, she just makes up these songs and we're like, oh, she talks so beautiful. She talks in song. Oh, that's so sweet. That's so sweet. I think it would be cool if like, my daughters were into soccer, you know, yeah, maybe I wasn't a big golfer, but I think it'd be dope if one of them picked up golf. If they get good at golf, they get into all the Ivy Leagues. Could you imagine if Dove like, became a golfer and she was like, the one who. I think at least one of them is going to be a really great ass. But she's the one who's like, reminds me so much of my dad when that be crazy. Think about that. If your kid gets good at golf, you're going to watch them play the most beautiful locations in the world. Like, just country clubs, warm weather, sitting outside in nature. Remember we'll come into the studio now, and the studio now, we have a studio obviously at home and here at the lake, and she'll come in and she'll sit, now she's old enough, she'll sit behind the mic, and I'm like, remember, let's go, she's like, that I'm working. You should interview her. I hear her radio voice. So there's a part of me that like, you know, I talk for a living, I have this show. I'm a big sports fan. I think it'd be really cool if my daughter grew up as like a woman in sports talking about sports, covering sports as, you know, I think that's like a kind of a dream job I have for one of my daughters. Would you cool? That's really cool. Yeah, I think as a parent, I hope, whatever they want to be into, I'll be into. But yes, to your point, I think any parent feels lucky and blessed to share passions with their kids. Obviously I'm going to cook for my daughters. I hope at least one of them enjoys it where they want to do it with me, and it becomes something we do together, you know. Yeah. Join Hobbies and stuff like whatever it is that you want to enjoy doing with your kids. I didn't have many daughters, so she would always thank me for going shopping with her 'cause I love buying clothes. Shit. - I love that. That's great. - The show is called Team Moms. It's I'm Paramount Plus. It is, I've seen the first episode. I'm super into it. - Team as in TAM, like Team. - Yeah, not Team. - Not Team, Team TAM, Team Moms. - That is another show out there. - Well, maybe, make me, you know. - But it's parents, it's moms and dads. It's not just focus on the moms. It's also focus on the dads too, and it really gets into the, what is it, a very intense culture of child athletics and how the parents move within that space? We also had the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Now, it really felt like that we were getting into a season. Obviously, we had the very sentimental and very meaningful episode of episode one, talking about the passing of Mary's son, but now we're fully into the drama. - And we got their taglines, finally, which I think we just need to run through, because I fear. I'm obsessed with the taglines. I'm obsessed. - I fear they're really very corny. - But it's the delivery. It's the way they drop the mic after it's served. - And serve. Lisa says, "I put a song in my heart to replace the knife in my back." - Pretty good, that one's pretty good. Heather, I don't kiss and tell. I publish and sell. That one's also pretty good. - That one's also pretty good. - Pretty good. - A bar. Meredith, this year I'm turning up the base and showing off my new face. - What? - This is your classic surgery? - She got a face lift, and she's coming out. - And she's sitting on the networks. - I did this shake, it's good for her. - Yeah, this one I do not, this one I do not understand. It is Whitney's and she is, I've always been a rose, but now I'm in full bloom. Like, aren't. - I thought she was just on my like, the horns or something. - No, I know it's her last name, but I don't understand like, full bloom. - It's vague. - It's vague. - She thought she ate. - Confused. - And in my darkest times, I found the light chic. Angie, I have a sharp tongue, but it never makes for a dull moment. Kind of boring, you know? And then, Bronwyn, you collect rumors while I'm collecting designers. Who do we feel like was the best? And who do we feel like is the worst? - I love that, what the, well, Whitney's was the most vague. - Yeah, I don't like Whitney's. And it's crazy, it was cool. - And Angie's was kind of like, been there done that. - What's crazy and what we've learned about talking to all these housewives that we interviewed is like, they do so many of these. And a lot of them, maybe they come in with their own, but a lot of them are just producer written. And they say, they say five, 10 of them, and then they find out which one they used, like when the show airs. - I would hate that. - Oh, that ruined it for me. - I don't remember who, which housewife it was, that was telling us, but they were like, if they would, if there was one that they didn't really like, they would read it in a, like boring tone or something so they wouldn't use it. - In my mind, they're up to like 1 a.m. the night before, like trying to figure out the best bar. They're like locked. Like, don't bother me right now. I'm getting my tag line down. - They're reading "Dunners" in my face. - Straight up, listening to Eminem to get inspired. How did we, I gotta, I gotta start with, how did we feel about Browen buying the hotel for her boyfriend? - I caught that, hated. - I caught that. I did not like that. - That's not, that we don't think that, that's not empowering woman. - No. - No. - Your younger boyfriend who's like coming out to spend a weekend with you and she's like, he's obviously not staying at the house with Todd and my mother. So I got him a nice hotel room that I'm sneaking into. - So I kinda judge him for not wearing hockey skates. - Oh, when they were skating. - What was he wearing? - He wore, was he wearing those blue ones? - He was wearing the toe picks. - Oh. - That's it. - It was something only you would notice. - I didn't even clock that. I was like, "Younger is he?" And what do we know about that? - No, younger. - No, I mean, Browen's 40. - He's 32. - She's 40, he's 32. - Wait, what? - Yeah. - He's what? - 32, she's 40. - There's only an eight-year-age difference. - He should be able to afford a hotel room. - Exactly. - Like, I mean, the other side of this is like, if this is just for funsies, and neither of them are playing the long game, then yeah, sure, I mean, if I were a guy, let a little Cougar fly me out, sure. - Well, they are broken off. - It's just for funsies by now. So, that's fair. - This is actually a, unfortunately, like common hurdle, I feel like a mind, like if I wanna see a friend fly out and get her a hotel, like, can I get the flight, you get the hotel, or vice versa? Where are the expectations on that? - No, listen, it's a tough conversation to thread. - Because like, you can't give Brokey, you can't do that, but it's also like, I don't wanna, you know. - I'm not paying for luxury vacations, yeah. - Right, I'm not just sugar daddy either. So, but, - I see that. - But, you know, she is getting out of plane. - Oh, bro, is she coming to see me? Like, I wanna, you know, make it worthwhile and divert, and you make it late. - If you. - It's like, but I don't want this to be transactional either. - And then, no, if you want me to come visit, you better pay for my flight, and you better pay for my hotel. If you want me to come to you, if I'm taking off work, if I'm canceling plans with my girlfriend. - Going through TSA. - If I'm going through TSA, if I'm trying to find my life. - At least get the coffee in the morning or something. Like, just a little small gesture to show me that this isn't like, entirely transactional. - That is a double standard, and I don't care, you know, what direction we go, patriarchy, mayor, patriarchy. I just feel like that is a double standard that needs to maintain. I feel like that should never go away. - I agree. I agree. - You know, and it's just like, it's just not the same, when Bronwyn's like, "I bought him a hotel room." Versus like, a guy being like, "Baby, I got this." You just enjoy yourself, kick back, get yourself a glass of champagne on the trip, you know? - I can't believe Jimmy's making girls get their own hotel rooms. - No, I don't. - Shame on you. - I always think about him. Like, the gentleman move is to offer the hotel room because the implication is like, "You don't listen." We're gonna have fun. I don't know what's gonna happen. I'm not expecting anything. Here's a nice hotel room. If we happen to enjoy ourselves and we don't use the hotel room so be it, I can afford not using the hotel room. But I don't want you to feel that pressure. - Yeah. - So that ends up. - That is the respectful route. - Bronwyn's like, "I need this hotel room 'cause we can't fuck at my place." - Yeah, literally. - I totally never reasons. - Literally. - I say good for her, Bronwyn. Good for you. Enjoy yourself. - But then, I remember I got shaded 'cause the hotel I got one time wasn't as nice as the hotel, another guy got it. I was like, "Fuck you." - So I'm out at that? No, no. - No. - Yeah, that was bullshit, right? - That's not being grateful. - If you're comparing the hotel room another guy got you, Ike. - Yeah, that is a little crazy. What do you guys think about new housewife Ashley Kwa? - I love any housewife that has more money than they didn't know what to do with. In 10,000 square foot is insane. And that view was incredible. - I'm also obsessed that she, she doesn't know what her husband does for a living, but he's like always in Florida and she's also obsessed with his nipples. What are just three things that I feel like are wild to say, why are walking into group people? - Is it unfair to suggest that he's participating in criminal activity? In what world do you not know what you're either, either he works for the, he's CIA, or he's a criminal. - Or do you think the only one thinking that? - Or double lives, if they taught us, maybe he's an only fan model. There's a lot of money to be made in this world. There's also a lot of money to be made in Florida. In Florida, yeah, a lot of people go there for a lot of different reasons. - I will say, I respect the relationships that like don't, you know, now and I, we need each other. We are. - It's so funny, Victoria. - Yeah. - Victoria was talking to us. Victoria Fuller was talking to us about like, our relationship or something and she was like, what y'all have? Like not a lot of people want that, you know? Like y'all spend a lot of time together. Like y'all do everything together and that's great for y'all. But like some people enjoy when their husband takes business trips and they're gone for the entire week. Some people want that and they look for that in a partner. - Yeah, it's true. - That's true. - That's my heartache. I like clingy. I like like always wanting to be with each other. Like that's the kind of, that's all my parents' words. - Well, it's great. - It's where you say that because like the word clingy makes me feel like I don't like clingy. I don't like being hung on. Like I'm not a, I don't like being suffocated. So that's to me, that's a thing that's a fine line between. - Maybe not like by definition of what clingy means, but like I want that, I want to feel needed, right? I want to feel enjoyed. But like there's something different about like the action of clingy that's different than what I, - But like if I get invited something, I want you to want to come with me and I want you to come with me and vice versa. I want to go to grocery shopping together. I like that suit. - But also clingy can mean so many different things. Like two people could be completely independent and thriving, but if one of them just wants a little bit more time together and intimacy, like the word clingy can get thrown out pretty quick and like, and I think immediately it is giving, like you, I don't want to be clingy, but like sometimes it's just the level of its compatibility. It really is. It's like what do me and this person want the same amount of cling because if one of you wants more, - When we talked about love languages at the beginning, like I am huge on quality time. So like that is why I prefer clingy. Now again, the definition of clingy I feel like varies. - Well, that's what I ask you about. Yeah, birthdays that you had a hard time with. But like as in you said, it's 'cause I was alone. Yeah, any birthday that I had like as an adult where I was kind of like, Alone, you know, like I always had friends hang out with but it felt just put stuff in perspective a little bit Yeah, were you just like versus like people who are just like you have to celebrate this day with me, you know Actually, yeah, I don't Speaking of being alone You have Whitney and Justin and their relationship and Whitney interesting Can I just say I don't get it? Yeah, what is happening there? So they're separating, but not separating Jesus is going to a different room But I kind of understand a little bit I think that there's a there must be something going on that they're like protecting us from But I do understand the sentiment of like okay, we actually think we might want to separate but also we don't want to Disrupt our entire family dynamic before we know how we really feel about this It feels like a little bit of a trial run the separate rooms Like it seems like they're heading in that direction, but they're trying to do it responsibly, but how old are their kids? I don't know It certainly is like co-pairing at that point is gotta be listen. I mean, I'd be tough I just don't get I've never been a subscriber of the trial breakups like If you're gonna work on a relationship you got to work on the relationship working on how it how to break out how to break up It's like when is it ever you turn? You know what I'm saying? It never you turns wait Gina didn't Gina Yeah, yeah, they did do like a little so they like live separate Move separate they like move fast. That was that was different when Gina because her if I remember correctly her partner is a Co-parent and there was some things going on with his partner's co-parent and it was causing a lot of friction in the relationship And they had a plan that's kind of what I'm saying You had a plan and a reason like maybe right now. It's it's causing too much short-term problems So like the thing that was confusing for us is because they were so committed to each other The naysayers were kind of like then why you moving out, but like they at least had a reason Whitney and Justin It's their business so they got involved in business together and then Justin kind of yeah You fucked up or something more or less turn it into an MLM allegedly, but yeah And so that's kind of what Yeah, sure in which can definitely like, you know, there's some trust issues It's just more like what is moving into a different room? Gonna yeah You know separation other than being like I want to see if I like having more room in the bed, you know like Yeah, you might find you like. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it works for them. I guess we'll have to see I did love that They are all accusing Meredith of Wearing wigs along with her face lift First he had Whitney who was I think obviously being petty and being messy and her IT and being like also the wig But then we had Ashley new friend of like offer to like make her a wig or something or green wig like whoa I know in Utah obviously extensions are a part of their culture, but it's like it's majority white women in Utah and I feel like Historically none of my friends are wearing wigs that are white women Well, my mom has had to like lean into wigs because she's like getting older her hair is getting thinner or she's like Yeah, she's you know having some confidence issue with that. So I think women older women have like kind of definitely looked Into the wig department maybe more than Younger women I would say honestly the wig looked amazing. I was like do I need do I need one because it was gorgeous and that vein Whitney's on her apology tour. Do you think she's gonna apologize for the wig comment? Or no You might have to we're gonna have to find out when Meredith finds out about the wig. Yeah, which will be after Union union Well, can we is it okay to talk about Meredith's face because she's talking about it. I dare we say like for those best face lift Really well done. I'll take the back. I felt like I had the best response, which is before they showed the side by side As a casual like just watching not looking for anything I didn't notice the face lift and I think that's a good thing and then once they showed the side by side You're like oh pop off queen she looks great But you know, I'm saying like when you saw you were like you some when you see someone of a bad face lift. You're like, why do they look different? Yeah, like when he was like oh her hair is different, you know like but like Meredith kind of you're like Did you moisturize today? You know like yeah, is that a new under eyes? Concealer. Yeah, it looks it looks fresh. It looks very fresh. It didn't change her look though It just no, just you look at all it just elevated her skin texture. I guess you would say is beautiful. I listen I would ever Brad Pitt is doing to age. I want that So I feel like it's see I would get one at the appropriate time. You would get a face lift I'm about to be a candidate for a face lift if I could benefit from it It's I feel like Brad's head's marked on now. Has he? I don't know. I haven't seen him recently. Let me look it up. I don't know. I don't know if I'd go as far as like a face lift But definitely maybe some I think you can find some of the talks here. Oh, he does look great. I don't think a face lift Yeah, but like Google Google Brad Pitt face lift Not that that would be okay, but I think You know what it looks like to me if I'm being honest and this is I know we shouldn't be like speculating There's a foreign after and to be honest. It looks like Brad Pitt dabbled in filler and then got his filler dissolved Yeah, that's what it looks like to me. Yeah, and it's like oh, we got a face lift. It's like no, he just Looking great. I've decided for my 30th birthday. I'm going to Turkey. What are you getting into a hair hair hair? Yeah, I feel like by 30 it'll be you know time for that now. Are you losing? I gotta make sense No, but I feel like by 30 it'll make sense. You might not lose your hair period Yeah, like it'll start getting there. Well, we support you and whatever you decide. What's your your mom's dad look like? Yeah, gray hair. Did he have hair like a lot of wine? Yeah, then you're good, bro. You might be good Give it time, you know, all right, then I'll get both talks at 30. I support I See a little young Jim does it out enough. I gotta start it. I want to be proactive, you know I don't want to like do before it's too late. Once you start noticing Lines that don't go away. You could dabble in a little baby Botox, you know So anyways Whitney apologized at the end. I felt very sincere. It felt like the group was like, you know what? Thanks for saying that Meredith in the other hand is like no Yeah, I do not accept. I don't blame her honestly. Why is it you think she gets to choose when she gets to get over that? It's the apology. She was crashing out on her on a public forum like you don't get to walk that back after just because you was drunk Like I maybe I guess she's going through stuff, but like you still said what you said like I'm gonna get over that when I decide to okay, but here's my question. I'm with you like I I'm not gonna get bullied into an accepting apology I'm not ready for But my question is what do they have to do? I upset a civiling once and I was like right away. I was like, yeah, sorry about that I Realize that my bad and I like right off the jump. I apologize and it was like I caught my sibling off guard Yeah, they were fully on planning Yeah, you want to argue for a second and they get an apology and like right away I was like yeah, and and it was like I think the immediate apology saved no No, they were my point is like it was like they weren't they wanted to get out what they wanted to say and I guess my question is It's like how many but if all you can do is just re-apologize and keep apology because like that comment is like again You know, so it was like 20 minutes of them still getting out what they wanted to say and maybe like repeating again Sorry about that. You know, yeah If all you're gonna make them do is like apologize like is it because you want them to apologize multiple times? Is there is there something do you not believe the apology? You know I'm sad. It's the sincerity. It's the the fact that the other cast members were saying like she does this She says things and then she walks it back all the time For me, it's one of those like time time to go have to heal this one I'm have to like see your actions play out like okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, keep your arms there If you're like keep an eye on you didn't merit to say that like hey I just got to see what the actions not words no Meredith was yeah essentially just like I don't fuck with you at all I don't like see I feel like Meredith would have been better served if she's like Yo, I appreciate the apologies, but at this stage in our relationship I I need to see with actions and not words before I really accept it because it doesn't feel real right now Rather than being like lucky bitch. Yeah, you know because you know, because it puts me because that's not helping anyone Well then like Meredith looks like the the you know because everyone else is down for the apology And then Meredith is almost like ostracized herself and I think if she were to just said that people would be like well That's fair. That's fair. You know, right. We need to have a record of like does Meredith have a history of not accepting apologies when people Finally, oh, yeah, apologize. See that to me like I don't have all the lawyer watch last season But I feel like some people just want you to like sit in your shit and Even if like and I understand sitting in your ship for a little bit It's like okay, you messed up you have to like pay the consequences like you said Sometimes you just want to yell at you where they want to get it off their chest But if you're not willing to acknowledge when somebody's like, hey, I Was I don't stand by what I said I messed up like if you were that person that is constantly just like not accepting apologies Then I'm like you're kind of a you're kind of like you're so annoying like that's just so Yeah, there's like there's yeah, there's like a penance sometimes they both have a track record from this I was getting that where it's just It gets annoying where you know that the person's just wants you to do with some kind of penance. Yeah. You know. But I agree that I'm like, she shouldn't be forced into accepting it, but also she could have totally come out looking like not a hero, but she could have looked like, wow, oh my gosh. She handled that really well. If she had just said, I'm not ready, give me time. Let me show you. She could have looked so good and instead she just alienated herself. You guys think Lisa Barlow handled it better by essentially being like Whitney and I have always had a thing when they have always actually hated each other. The ball analogy. Maybe they've had a thing outside of the show, outside of filming, you know, an unspoken thing. I know. I kind of appreciate it. When Whitney was crying, what did Lisa say? She said, basically she was like, she said, like, you know, I hear it in your voice. Like, she acknowledged that it felt sincere and then that, you know, it almost like Lisa kind of felt bad for, you know, I don't know. She handled that pretty well. Lisa, I'm like Meredith. Like Lisa is, you know, she has her ways, but like she doesn't, honestly, she doesn't seem to hold a grudge. Almost the opposite. She's like, is long, is long over a cool, I'm cool with you. Hey, people do not play about Lisa Barlow. I learned. I said, I made a funny video talking about her little intro, they're like, do not come for our mother. I was like, yeah, I was just, I'm just laughing off all the time. We'll compare that to Vicki and Carmella in OC. I mean, that was, I like that. Carmella is eating Vicki up. Yeah. Let's go to Carmella. She's a wrestler. She's a competitor. She's literally been in the ring to some chatty, Kathy's not going to intimidate her. And Vicki, I love her. And again, I think she deserves some kind of like comeback player of the year award. But she has the energy of someone who dare I say, you know, all these other people, you know, she definitely has a like, this is what I think get over it. Yeah. Just some mean girl tendencies. It's very big energy. It's very matter of fact. If you're not used to that type of confrontation, people will just be like, ah, you know, a lot. But like Carmella is like, nah, and the some, and usually the only way to deal with someone with Vicki's energy is to fight fire with fire. And that's when you see someone like Vicki, like she, she doesn't know, Vicki doesn't know how to respond to someone meeting her energy. So because I think so many people in this world don't have the ability to meet her energy. So when it happens, she has, she has no plan B, you know, I'm saying she has, she has no counter punch. I bet deep down, I bet deep down, she respects the deep down, she's like, for sure, game response game. Yeah, I definitely think Vicki respects it for sure, but she has no counter punch to someone matching her energy. She's going to have no option but to respect it. At least in my opinion, I'm like, you can't be met with that and not respect it. I mean, Carmella said, I hope she has some reputable life insurance because I'm about to dropkick an OG so that's crazy. Not some bar. That's a bar. Yes, that's a bar. What do you think about Grandma Tamara giving her granddaughter a Gucci purse? Wish I had a grandma like that, you know, same. I think my first inclination would be to be uncomfortable with that gift because I don't want my kids to be a snob. As a child though, okay, as the parent, that I respect, as that being said, I'd be figuring out what else I could get. If it taught, I wouldn't want her to know the true value of it. I would just want her to know it's worth a lot and it needs to be taken care of. And if she could show me that she knew how to take care of it and recognize that it was at had value and that thing that had value needed to be taken care of, then I think it could be a good gift. But I wouldn't want her to have the gift is like a materialistic status symbol. That would make me uncomfortable. I think even pivoting it to make it like, this is something from your grandma, like this is a really special gift because it's from like her collection, you know, like you could try to, I don't know, make it like that, but I don't think I would want my daughter having a Gucci purse. Yeah, from the, I hate to see, I didn't even think about it from the parent's perspective, but like, from Y'all's perspective, I would rather not a material gift like that at such a young age. Yeah. Like a ball or like a microphone or something useful, like you can play with it, practice or take outside or question a concert tickets question you, you, you, you, you strut into a high school gym with high school bat Friday night basketball game and, and your 13 year old daughter is rings in a Gucci purse. Do you, how many people in that gym think you're kind of a bad parent? I'm not letting her bring it. Well, it's what you do. I feel like majority of people wouldn't think it's real. Yeah. You know, that's so true. What if? Well, it was real. Everyone knew it was real. I know it was real. It was real. My fuck. But do you think people would think you're kind of a bad parent? Yeah. It would, honestly, it would, it would dominate conversation. It would be a thing. It would be like a, it would you see so and so this daughter had a Gucci purse. My only reason for wanting anything nice, whether it be purses or jewelry or shoes or whatever it is, is to pass down to my daughters. It's like the only, right? It's like I feel like the things that I've gotten from my mom have not been anything of that sort, but it's been, you know, little pieces of jewelry that aren't worth much, but like have this story behind them. And that I feel like is the coolest thing ever. And so, but once they get old enough to wear it, they understand that like her granddaughter was 13. How old is she? Yeah, not old enough to understand the true value of it. Not old enough to understand it. Not old enough to like take it to the mall with her friends and not be like, yeah, like it's a Gucci purse. My grandma got it. I feel like a lot of them do understand. Although also I will say it is OC and I'm like the culture, first of all, in Los Angeles and in like Orange County is so different from where I grew up. Like if somebody walked into my high school with a designer purse, it's like, oh, you went to New York this summer with your family and you guys shopped like that street. That's street. That's street. Yeah, exactly. I think that it's real. But since living out here, I do think there is a part of it. It's kind of normalized in the like West Coast culture, I guess it depends where you show with that purse. I got a high school basketball game. People are going to look at your kind of sideways. Well, she's 11. So how about middle school basketball game? They going to look at your kind of sideways. Like, it just is what it is. Now, if you're walking down Beverly Hills, yeah, cool. But maybe maybe in high school, Calabasas or whatever. Yeah. Like, it's more normalized out here. They probably have Berkins, yeah, baby Berkin. And they probably grew up seeing their moms have such luxury designer purses. Like, my mom, I've never seen my mom own anything luxury or designer. So it's probably normalized. Is this what people say when they say, like, don't go Hollywood, is this what they refer to? Like, don't, you know, probably a part of it? Yeah. Subscribe to these things. I don't, you know, because I always wrestle with that. What do you mean don't go Hollywood, what the fuck are you worried about when you're high too big? Well, Tim, when you start prioritizing the wrong stuff and you start like, well, you're from the Midwest, like L.A. is just very, it's a very different place. It's fast. It's fun. But it's not like, I never, I always get almost like a fanny where it's like, you think I am? I'm going to go to LA also. No, I'm coming to that. But it is, it sounds like it's these kind of like principles, like little things like tendencies, maybe. Oh, yeah. But to, yeah, I guess it's a slower, less like, I don't mean, I guess materialistic, I suppose. Yeah. All right. I'll keep my antennas up for that, then. Yeah. Keep them. Keep them up. Well, speaking of not letting people go Hollywood, we have Xavier from Trader's new blood joining us who was recently eliminated from the show. But he's with us to talk about his unceremonious exit. What he thinks about it, what he thinks about the player's left and who he thinks might actually take the cash prize. It's Xavier up next talking Trader's new blood. Xavier, welcome to the show. Hey. Appreciate you for having me. I'm glad to be here. Well, we're excited to talk with you. I guess just how you feeling, how you decompressing, you know, from both, like, just the experience and now that we've gotten to see the episode, how's it all feeling? Yes. It's feeling good. Obviously, in the moment, it was so frustrating and just disappointing and I'm pissed off and angry, all of those emotions come into play. But now after decompressing a little bit and you start to see how, you know, you can second guess every aspect of the game, you kind of get to take a deep breath and appreciate it for what it is. So I'm good now. That is good to hear. And I'm glad you've been able to reflect. But to get into the weeds, I'm sure kind of like to your point. You probably racked your brain and spent a lot of time like wondering, well, how would I have played it differently? Yeah. You know, hashtag no regrets, but like it did whatever reason it didn't work out. So like, what would you have done differently and why do you think it went wrong? Yeah. I don't think I would have done too much differently. I felt like I needed to come out playing offense, especially when I was pinned up against one other person, right? It's a twist early on in the game. You find yourself wanting to play under the radar in the traders early on, but there's no aspect of doing that when it's a 50/50 chance within the first couple of days. So I'm trying to play offense a little bit. And I know if I can get Katie banished, then I don't have to go through any other these tests that the traders may set. I'm already up in that turret, and we're moving on. So I think I was trying to get Katie's name a little bit out there. I obviously had mentioned it to a trader in Tamika, and I had already thought about, okay, if I'm gonna say Katie's name, it might get out to a trader. And if it does, I need reasoning to back that up. And I felt like the traders would want to see characteristics of somebody that's ruthless, somebody that's willing to do whatever it takes, somebody that's not just gonna sit back and kind of wait to see what's gonna happen to them. So that was my thought process about playing offense as soon as I found out that I was an accomplice. But not too many regrets, man. I felt like I did a good job kind of making relationships with a lot of different people early on, which would have helped me, but just a kind of a tough situation there. - Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And like, yeah, the benefit of hindsight, but yeah, it's a difficult decision and I don't know what I would do. But like, isn't it interesting thinking like, 'cause you know, it makes a lot of sense you talk about the traders like, "Hey, I think they want to see someone like cutthroat." And as it turns out, it almost seems like, they're like, yo, like, we just kind of want someone who's gonna like, do what we do. You know, it's like, it almost like the two traders were intimidated by the prospects of like, this guy's, he's making moves, it came we control them. - Yeah. - Almost, you know what I'm saying? Like, it almost looked like that, right? - Yeah, and I almost felt like, naturally, because of who they had chosen between me and Katie, two totally different personalities, huge age difference. I felt like that they were going to want somebody that they could control because whoever came in the turret as a trader was already going to be at a disadvantage two to one, and that their opinions, especially with Joe and Tamika being older, that they were gonna feel like they could control the conversations, the narratives, the opinions of somebody else, and they weren't gonna be able to do that against me, or with me. I was gonna second guess everything I was going to, at some point, knowing I was probably gonna have to backstab one of them and throw one of their names out too, to make sure that it was gonna be one in one, whether it me and Tamika, or me and Joe, to even things out. So, in the long run, looking at it, they probably made the right decision. - And she said, maybe they do, but however, do you think, now that we've thought this through, what would you have done differently? Maybe, you probably know what happens, but what if Katie's playing us? What if Katie is one step ahead, and she's just gonna play like, I'm just sweet Katie, you know what I'm saying? And you did the courtesy of, I'm gonna show you my cards, and let me know if you want to roll with it. - And they were like, nah, respectfully. - I think that's what's interesting because you almost have to think of the game from not your perspective, right? Like, you're naturally gonna think, this is what I would do if I was a traitor. This is what I would want to see if I was a traitor. These are the moves, but you have to think, what would Joe and Tamika want to see, or what would, who I don't know is traitors, what would they want to see? 'Cause I didn't know it was Joe and Tamika. And so that early on in the game too, you're considering what your strategy should be with people that you don't know who they are. - Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. - And because it's so early in the game, you don't even have a sense of who it might be. And so it's just interesting kind of playing that back in some of those conversations, and you guys even know some of the stuff off camera, as far as those conversations that you have create relationships that can affect the game too. - Yeah, and to your point, when you think about it, I imagine when you're put on the spot and I'm like, give me a strong opinion about this kind of nuanced thing where you don't know all the players. You're just gonna come up with things like, I don't know, I'm getting bad vibes. Like this whole show is based off of vibes and trust our guts and everything, but in a pressure cooker situation, I think it's easy to really lean into your gut, but your gut's pretty like on the fence. - Yeah, there's no evidence. And I think that's where I felt like I could be an advantage having played baseball my whole life. I love the St. Louis hat, by the way. I see you wrapping cards, baby. - Yeah, I'm a brewer fan, bro. (laughing) - We say lunatics over here. - Say lunatics. - No, I think like being in that pressure cooker a lot throughout the course of my career plan and also as an analyst is like, okay, that should give me an advantage knowing that I'm not gonna let my emotions get too high. I'm not going to make a crazy emotional decision. I'm gonna sit back and see what's going on. Read people, everybody says that they're good at reading body language and being trustworthy coming onto the show, but like that's literally what I do for a living. So I felt like that wasn't advantage kind of looking at everybody. And I was making early connections with different types of people that I felt like other people weren't doing. 'Cause you naturally come into the game kind of clicking up, right? You gravitate towards certain people. I was like adamant about not doing that. Like I was trying to figure out who are the people that ain't trying to click up with nobody. I'm trying to figure out who you are. - It's interesting you brought up the your athletic background as an advantage to your strategy. 'Cause we were talking about with celebrity traders, how I think Rashad Jennings, the football player, has an advantage of handling pressure environments and keeping cool comic collected in his poise. But no pun intended, dude, you're entirely intended. Actually, do you feel like you might have just swung for the fences instead of just playing it cool? 'Cause I feel like there's a tough line between overthinking and critical thinking. - Yes, 100%, I'm with you on that. And I think I kind of told myself, if I'm gonna go down, it's gonna go down being more on the aggressive side and trying to dictate my own future instead of just waiting back and being overly patient and looking at it at a 50/50 chance and if I lose some test that maybe I didn't have a hand in all that I'm gonna be regretting this even more. So that was kind of my thought process. - That makes a lot of sense and I imagine your athletic background plays are all like it. It's, and I'm interested to see how Rashad Jennings does because I know him personally and it's gonna be fun kind of watching how he goes about it with the football mentality. - But like there's this, when you go on these shows, there's like this, listen, a lot of people go on these shows and it's just like, and forget about the editing, but just feeling like you made an impact in the production because again, a lot of it, it's just luck, it's a crazy world. And to your point, Xavier, you're like, at least I'm gonna get my at bats, pun intended. 'Cause sometimes people show up for the game and they're like, "Yeah, sorry, we didn't need you." - All right, I'm swinging, I'm swinging. - You showed up, but you're a leaf pitcher and we didn't get to the 10th. I could talk funs all day. - Ah. Anyways, yeah, that makes one a sense. - On that point, like I felt like with me being thrown the curbaudity of the accomplice thing, I felt like it was, sorry for the pun. I felt like it was, it was gonna be one of those situations to where I'm gonna make an impact no matter what. So like, let's figure out kind of the best way to go about it and I know at least there's gonna be a ripple effect in this game. You guys have seen this stuff, like not just the traders, but on so many reality shows, one impact, affects the rest of the season at times. So I think that was cool for me to know too, is like, we didn't see the accomplice thing in previous season. So seeing it and how it was gonna affect everything else was kind of cool to know from the jump. - Yeah, do you in any way feel like your decisions in the kind of like the offensive game that you played against Katie? She's dealing with some heat now. Do you feel like in any way that might have spoiled her experience or is it just like all sparing love is in Trader's type of thing? - Yeah, all sparing love in game. And I just feel like knowing that it was Katie that they ended up choosing, I actually didn't have any remorse or any bad feelings towards Katie. And I wanna see her win now. Like I wanna see her go out because who I'm going out against, that's the person I wanna see end up coming up with victory. - Oh yeah, I lost the World Series champ, you know? - Yeah, yeah, if I lost, I lost to the best, right? That was kind of my perspective on it. And if there's anybody, I'm looking at the traders. Like you made the wrong decision. I wanna see you guys get out next. - Is there anybody else that's faithful that you like the way that like the game they're playing or that you think could go the long run? - Yeah, I liked seeing Abby Lee come in. We didn't know she was an astrophysicist, but obviously her kind of having this game play and strategy is almost playing dumb. And I can see her asking a whole lot of questions early on and just trying to almost play that innocent. I'm trying to figure things out a type of way. The same thing goes for, I liked Michael's game play early on. I thought like he came in aggressive as a faithful and you could tell that he was gonna build trust early on because he wasn't afraid to speak his mind. And I think that gained a lot of trust within faithfuls in the game. And I was like, okay, he's gonna, he might put a target on his back, but at the same time, you feels like he's speaking truth every time he opens up his mouth. What about, is it Kristi, the older lady who was adamant that Madeline was going out thoughts on her? Yeah. Kristi, I was the one that first met Kristi coming into the train station, choose the first person I met and I had the sense that she wanted to be a faithful coming into the game and I felt like with her, Southern swag, that Southern charm, I felt like she was telling the truth on Madeline, at least what she heard. Now obviously that was not what she said and that was not, and she was not a trader, but I still felt adamant about her telling the truth and playing the game as a faithful. So I felt good about who she was. I just have one final question, I don't know if Jimmy has another, but I'm always, and I asked this question to anyone who's been in the castle. How's the food? I thought the food was all right, like the food was, was decent inside the castle now. Now we had moments outside of the castle in which the food was not necessarily great and you have to remember, I'm comparing it to something different too because I've been in TV and broadcast and I played at the highest level where you get in stake at lobster after every game. So it was a little bit different, right? So I'm enjoying the food in the castle. At other moments, I'm not enjoying the food. I would rate it at seven or eight. If you're lucky enough to consistently be able to eat whatever you most enjoy, yeah, and then you're at the mercy of someone else serving you. Right. Thanks for answering the question. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not just, I'm not a huge fan of like the English Scottish menu. A lot of sandwiches, man, like in bread and there's a lot of bread sandwiches, like, like egg sandwiches. Males sandwiches. Yeah. I'm a real snob. Yeah. I'm like, the other food was good. Just give me a real meal, right? Examiner, we appreciate it taking the time, man. Sorry, you had a brief stem, but I'm glad you went down sweating. You definitely made an impact and I'm glad you got to go on and enjoy the experience. Oh, thanks God. I appreciate you. I like the game you played. I want to say they, uh, they wanted a role player with you as a star player, you know, and they want to get a recognition. You already know. Hey, I loved watching you too. I loved watching you today. It was fun. I appreciate you to exhibit your best love. Thanks guys. All right. Take care. All right. Bye. All right. Well, that will do it for today's episode. Thank you to our guests. Thank you to our guests and Xavier from Trader's new blood, we appreciate them and we appreciate you guys. Before we end, I just have to say you are happy birthday. Happy birthday. Yes. Everyone's thinking. No, you truly are like the biggest protector, provider leader in ever since the word and we are so lucky to have you in our lives. We feel you when you're not around and you are home, so I love you so much and everything. You too. Very sweet. You guys are still here. Happy birthday to you. I'm looking for love at all the wrong places, man. I don't need this right now. I found it in the ground. It was a little bit. Get on Instagram now. You never know. So true. You should not tell me that. And I might start thinking I got love into DMs again. You got time to figure it out, man. All right. You're at your 20th. I hope. Yep. Yeah. Slow your roll. Slow your roll. See you tomorrow. Bye. [MUSIC PLAYING]