E1174 - Going Deeper: The Double Lives of Suburban Wives

(upbeat music) - Ladies, welcome to the show. - Hi. - Thank you. - You're having a great time. - So excited. - So excited. First of all, just congratulations on the show. It's, we watch a lot of reality TV. - It is hard to look away. - This is one of my favorite. - Really? - It might be one of the best, it might save cable television. - Yeah. - Thank you so much. - Thank you so much. - That really means a lot. - That's really good. - We have so many questions. I wanna start by saying this is a safe, no-judgment space, but certainly there's a lot of fascination with what you ladies do in the show itself. I'm no doubt, while we are in a no-judgment space, I'm sure there's a lot of people, even listening or listening with curiosity, it's hard not to come in with a lot of preconceived opinions and things like that. So I think our goal today is just to get to know you ladies obviously better and just kind of learn about this kind of very fascinating industry. And I think more than anything, I think what the fascination is, is because this isn't as unique as I think people realize. - Right. - And it's becoming more and more of a theme for families like yourselves to get into adult content through only fans or maybe there's other platforms out there, I don't know, but it's certainly fascinating. - Yeah, thank you. - Yeah, I'm so curious of how this show even started. How did this come to be? Who was approached, like, what, how did that happen? - It's such a funny story because I truly believe things happen for a reason, but one day I just randomly checked my Instagram spam messages, and a casting director had reached out. She had seen my news story and invited me to interview for the show and then she said, tell me about all of your friends who are also doing this as well, and so I reached out to all my closest friends, and honestly, they interviewed creators all around the country and they picked us. - Wow, you just happened to check your spam. - Yeah, you just happened to check your spam, yeah. - Wow, that's wild. - You know, obviously there are other women that they follow and cover and it's, you know, you three are kind of the pillars of the show, but the theme in the show centers around a lot of, like, your family members not knowing and kids not knowing, and obviously that's the big part of that conversation. So I am just curious. Obviously, very excited to be on TV, I'm sure. When you were approached, how unsure or sure were you of doing it, and maybe it's obviously the answers for different for all the women, especially like, I think you were like incognito, you know. - Yeah. - Clearly doing this show was going to open Pandora's box. So what kind of conversations did you, ladies have with each other, with your partners, in terms of like what that was going to look like? - Right, yeah, so my husband and I both knew that eventually, I was gonna get found out. And doing this show really like, was this once in a lifetime opportunity to be able to tell my story, my husband's story, and just be able to control the narrative, because it's like, I would rather come out on my terms, then get blackmailed, right? And then one person put all the puzzle pieces together, and then like, yeah, get blackmailed. And so this was literally an answered prayer to be able to come out this way, and get to show all the different complex parts of my story, and to be able to own my power, and just embrace my truth, and this is my real authentic self. - Where does that fear of being blackmailed come from? Is that common? - I mean, I less, yeah, exactly. - Can you walk us through what happened? - So I was, I don't know, three months in the content creation, Matt Tammy, which she has a big following in St. Louis, and someone recognized me and the videos that we did together didn't take long. I started hearing gossip around my hometown about my husband and I, and then I was like, okay, I'm gonna have to come clean to the school soon, 'cause I think it's coming, I guess like the next day or so probably, yeah, it didn't take long, but superintendents walked into my classroom at the end of the school day, and they were just like, we got a report from an adult from your hometown that you participate in online adult content, and we're going to put you on leave, and then my whole world was turned upside down, so. - How did you know that someone had found out? Did they DM you, did they? Like, how did you know? - Well, I, yes, so actually a neighbor that my husband went to high school with said, hey, like, do you make videos and post them online? And I was like, crap, like it's getting around, spreads like wildfire once it starts, it is crazy. - And was that an initial fear going into it of like, oh, I mean, Macy, you use the wigs and the glasses, so like, did you ever think about doing any of that, or was it? - Yeah, so I was faceless for a really long time, and then I met Tammy and she gave me so much confidence to just like own it, that I was like, this is the path that I'm taking, and maybe like a little bit naive, I did read my handbook, and I was like, I'm truly not violating my handbook, so. - You're like the teachers, yeah. - Yes, I looked at my contract, and I was like, I didn't sign a morality clause. - Well, I'm curious about that, because I think, you know, it makes sense in a way when you think about teachers and the expectations and responsibly with the kids, but to your point, it's like, what exactly, what rule are you breaking? And when the superintendents and whoever it was who came in, did you just accept it right away? Did you think about looking into getting a lawyer and defending yourself, or was it more like, you know what, I don't wanna create too much drama, and I'll just go with it. - There was so much drama. It was like all over the media for weeks, but I was put on leave, and I honestly think like four days later, I was making so much money that I was like, I'm just gonna walk away, but yeah. I don't need to fight this, I don't want my job back. This is the path I'm gonna take. Part of that, I would say like the reason why, so my husband drew and I have been in adult content, like four years, right? And so, you know, we met, gosh, on and off, we're pretty much like our whole dating time, so about 13, 14 years now. But yeah, I was just gonna say that, you know, whenever I encourage Bri, it was like, hey, listen, there's always a risk. We never tell people that like, oh yeah, if you do this, you won't be found out. We don't over promise, and it's not for everybody. So, you know, we did tell her, yes, there's a big risk, but with that big risk comes a big reward. And, you know, I think it resonates with a lot of people that the whole reason why a lot of us started was because, you know, we had student loans or we're struggling financially. And, you know, we were having kids and we're realizing like, you know, like life is short. And I know that this is not something that is publicly accepted, right? We knew we were gonna come under judgment. But we kind of eased into it at first. I don't blame people for trying to just hang under the radar and see how it goes, right? But eventually you kind of have to, you know, face the facts that this is out here, but like, how can people really speak on my life? When I see the amazing family I have every day, like the support of husband that I have, it's all consensual, like we're doing this together. How can anybody really argue for your pursuit of happiness in your way? - Yeah, yeah, also I feel like my husband, Jim, for example, he was working so much in like commuting, like 40 minutes there, 40 minutes back, working most Saturdays. You know, and he was making pretty good money, but it's like that time, we did not have that time. And so I always say like, what's your why? And for me, like having that time with my family, with my husband and our son, that is priceless to me. And that's what doing this as a career has provided for us. And for me, it's really honestly like the American dream to be able to have like time and money. It's unfortunate, you know, it is looked down upon and we are under like a lot of scrutiny, but at the same time, there is a lot of positive aspects to what we do. And it's just really cool, like my husband, Jim, he has his own page as well. It's called the POV guy. And so it's like. - POV stand for, point of view. - So it's cool, like we get to be business partners and run this together and like hand in hand as a team rooting each other on. And that's how it is for all of us. - Was that always the case? Like when you got into it, was it always like, I wanna do this with my husband or was like, you know what, I'm having fun. Let's bring in my husband. - No, I think, I mean, I think for the most part, we all kind of, our husbands were, I mean, our husbands were on board from the beginning. - Right. - And my content started out with him. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Jim and I like started doing it together and I think it just all started because we were all very open and like listen and marriage, you know, you have to be open, communicate. Whether it's like you are showing it or not, you know, you have to be able to be like on the same page about things and you know, grow together. So this was just another chapter that we started and I kind of imagined doing it. about this without even like just my friends. The amount of amazing open-minded people that we have met through this adventure has really helped cultivate our circle just organically, just finding like-minded people and just knowing that there are people out there that even though you're a little different, there's other different people out there too. - I'm curious, Tammy. Obviously you said you started 13 years ago, which it's been a while. - I feel a lot. - And while like only fans that even exist. - Yeah, only in Houston exist. - Yeah, so my husband actually started on X, formerly Twitter and started with like socials and started kind of like camming. And it really started organically because we wanted to explore this at a couple. Like we kind of liked being watched. It was kind of like a like, "Hey, we like this together." And it was a confidence builder and then we found out we could make a little money to help pay, we were struggling college kids. And yeah, it kind of- The first show started just kind of almost like fascinating with like 13 years ago, the internet was, people are so kind of figuring out content creation was like this kind of unique thing. So yeah, how did it- - So for perspective, it was like the first picture that my husband posted. You guys will see that on the show. I was like on this site called 4chan, which is kind of known to be like the cesspool of the internet, honestly. But you know, they're up in mind and enough to post that on there. So, and it was safe for work. But yeah, he posted that 'cause I struggled for a long time with really poor self-confidence. And you know, just, it was just a booster. You know, he posted out there and he's like, he's like kind of proving a point to me to be like- - So it was a picture of beautiful. - Yeah, yeah, okay. - It was a picture of my backside. (laughing) So he said that- - He knew what was gonna get the most clicks, right? - He knew what was gonna get the most clicks. So he posted that and he like, "Sure, like it was just like viral." And I was like, "Okay." I was like, "You're on to something here." Obviously, there were more conversations as things went on about like adding the money factor to it. And I think that's where a lot of, you know, people in society kind of lose their mind. So like, "Oh my gosh, you're making money off of that." And there's such a judgment with it. - So you think it's actually they judge you more because you're making money as opposed to if you were just like- - I think I'm an artist, you know? - I think people in the bedroom are exploring and they have their own sex lives, right? And I don't think anybody can argue that. Like that's your market business, right? But as soon as people find out we make money off of it, it just becomes- - They turn it. - People turn ugly. And I think, you know, like, why not? If you were enjoying yourself, if this is consensual, and you can, you know, help unlock, you know, things for your family. I mean, people want to demonize money as it is, right? - Right. - But money is a tool, money is a resource. And the amount of time like Macy and Briett said that it has like enabled us to have our family take our kids to sports, you know, be there and be present because we also struggled with that. Like we were on opposite shifts. My husband would see my daughter in like the last hour of the day and it wasn't even in person, it was over the phone. We had to call. And it's just, once you have kids, you really are humbled by just how short life is. And I would do anything for my kids. I would do anything for my family. And to have somebody, I'll take the judgment all day. I'll take the scrutiny all day because I know what I have. - Yeah, exactly. And I feel like there's like, I don't think it's any like, question, there's a lot of people, a lot of families out there struggling financially, whether it's like the money aspect or the time aspect or you know, either or or both. - Life is hard. - That like, I think when you really put that into perspective of like you're doing what you feel is best for you and your family, I feel like that just can really resonate with a lot of people. You know what I mean? - It's a different kind of sacrifice also. - And so how long? You've been here for 13 years. - Three years. - Three years. - Three years. And you two started on OnlyFans, okay? - Yes. - For you, I'm curious when, I don't remember when OnlyFans started, but it was like. - It was when it was at least 2018, 2018. - It seemed to really get around before COVID. - Yeah, it was around before COVID. - Yeah, it seemed to blow up fast. And people came, like the average person who didn't know about like, I guess this space, became kind of hyper aware that this was a thing. I'm curious for you, was that like almost an exciting time because it almost became more mainstream in a way? - Yeah, I mean, it obviously is very validating to be like, ooh, like this is catching on. And I think that's why it's such a buzzworthy topic because stuff is not going anywhere, right? Like OnlyFans obviously has like the most like notable name. It's its name recognition. And it really exploded during COVID, which there's a whole bit in the show that like we'll go into on that. I have a COVID baby. - Yeah, same thing as COVID babies. - So like that was an epic time for that too. And it's just like, it just kind of really put it front and forward like, wow. Like this is really changing our life, especially in such a hard time. And like, what are we gonna do? Like let's lean into it. - Right, right. - Yeah, there's obviously other platforms, like Sex, P and Thorn, all these, like there's tons. So there's other ones out there and in different ways to create your content. But the thing we love about it is that we can create it our own way. Nobody's sending their telling us, directing us. We make it with who we want. Concentrally like with our husbands. And one another and collaborations. It's such a community built on trust. And we just do it our way. - And boundaries and communication. And yeah, and I actually, I posted my first thing actually on Reddit. That's where like mind blew up. And then people started asking, oh, do you have a spicy page, can I see more? And so I was like, oh man, okay. I need to make an only fan. - There is such a business aspect of it that people don't understand. People think you're just gonna post some feet pictures and make a million dollars. And that's not typical, results not typical. There's so much that you have to understand about their individual rules and consent and paperwork. Like you need release forms for these sites. Like people are always afraid of getting like filmed candidly and getting posted without their consent. It's like, no, we have to cover ourselves and run ourselves as a business. Like you crash your teeth and got your eyes. And, yeah. - And is there ever a fear of like someone, I don't know if this is even possible, like taking your content and putting it somewhere else. - It's like a lot of stuff, right? - Yeah, I spend at least like a thousand dollars a month getting my leaks taken down. - Yeah, we have a company actually that we use for DMCAT down. And there's only so much that they can do too. But I mean, of course, if you're making money, guess what? There's always gonna be somebody behind you trying to make that money too. - Yeah, which is really frustrating. Like they are like literally taking away so much money from us. - Are these things that you just had to like live and learn? Or was it so? - Yeah, it's actually kind of funny to bring that up though. I don't know why I never thought about like about my leaked stuff. But her and I were in an interview actually for the show. And it got brought up and I pulled it up and I was like, like I researched your name. - My name and like I go by Macy, Liz and B but I also have my website is thatchurchgirl.com. I was just blown away. I was like, oh my gosh, there's so much. - Yeah, it's like you didn't post yourself. - No, that people posted. - That people have like, I don't like it. - I read it, I read it. - Yeah, I read it. - Well people scan people all the time. - I'm like, I need to start paying to get that taken down. - I was gonna say like people scan people all the time with what we do. Like I said, because we make money, right? They're gonna come in and there's always gonna be somebody trying to take advantage. And yeah, that's why we always say like our links, like go through our websites or go through like our stuff. If it's not on there, don't just like Google our names and like click on whatever. You're probably gonna get a virus or you're gonna be sending money to somebody and there's like like a Vimeo account of me. - There's a lot actually. - So Tammy, when you being in a long time, it sounds like you've brought other women in to this or other people in this space. Have you received extra criticism as someone who, it's like, well, you can do but why are you recruiting or getting other women to do it? Hey, have you gotten the criticism B? What's your motivation for bringing other women into this space? - Yeah, I mean, of course I get the criticism for that and people are gonna be skeptical and be like, oh, it's like a ring. I get the reputation as like the ring leader. My husband, I get the ring leader. And it's like, the fact is that they're obviously other people out there that want what Drew and I think have been so successful at achieving the things that we figured out, they want that. And we are all about community and collaboration. We are not a crowd that is cutthroat and a rising tide raises all ships, we believe. So really, honestly, we just want to open up that access. We don't hide information from people and people like to see us together. And the thing that is different about the show, I would say, is that we are really friends in real life. This is not staged, this is not some TV stunt. We have built this, this is authentic. And it can be so much bigger. So Drew and I really focus on inviting new people, teaching them the ropes, but allowing them to do it in their way. We're not managing their stuff. We are not telling them what to do. - You're not like getting a commission or anything. - No, no, no, no, no. We're, honestly, truly, here's a resource. My husband, I have a podcast as well, which focuses on education and tells fun stories and all that. But really, it's just about building a community because we know what a difference it's made in our life. - And when you approach someone, A, what are you looking for and what makes you think another person would be good at it? And then how do you have, like, what's that conversation look like? - It's funny, we really don't approach people on this channel. People approach us because we've just made a name for ourselves and that you. You know, the people, you put that energy out there and your people will come. - Yeah. - Your people will find you. - Right, the tracks you're trying, I totally believe that and, you know, we're not out there like scouting for people. - What? - And, you know, there's plenty of people that just want this. But, you know, I think we do have to consider people's personalities a little bit. We, you know, it is hard work. We tell people like, hey, you're not gonna just do this like part time and make a million dollars. - Right. - Yeah. - We'll get found out, you know, and we're empathetic to certain situations, of course. But, you know, we wanna be real with people. - Yeah, we just want people to win with us. - Yeah. - So, we kinda have to be a good judge of character, though. - And I feel like, you guys will see in the show. I mean, there's a lot that you have to have boundaries on and not everybody has your best intentions in mind. - Yeah, and I feel like too, like if you look at any other successful business owner, someone that, I just think it's really rare for someone to like actually want to help someone and like want them to win in the same field and the same career that you guys like aren't profiting off of that. Like, that is a very rare thing and that just shows your guys is like hearts in your character and like, same for Bree too. - Thank you. - I was about to say, just because Drew and I have done this a long time, the longest in our group, that's not to say that like, I haven't learned so much from other people. That's what I mean. Like, we are not here, saying like, you know, we know everything and everybody needs to take all of our advice. Like, we find out new ways. We're just open minded, but Bree's helped us a lot. Macy, you've helped us a lot. - Yeah, we just share ideas. That's how it should be. - Right. - Tammy, can we talk about your husband in the way that his, how he gets dressed every day? (laughing) - He's dressed with the way my husband gets dressed with very randomizers. - Like Hannah Montana coded or something. - So let me try to think it, yeah, I call it OCD, but we are really nice. We could call it the lazy genius way. So he is very just structured disciplines. Like he takes all the guesswork and he's a very black and white person, but too, too good strength. So yeah, he just randomizes, gets a random number, a generator on his phone. He has his shirt, his pants, his shorts, all this in different sections of our closet, and he will count from left to right that number and then whatever it lands on. - That's his shirt. - He wears it. - That first time he gets dressed. - 'Cause he ever looked in the mirror and go, hmm. - I've looked in the mirror and I'm like, no. (laughing) But like, he will find me and he's like, that's what the number picked. And I was like, the number knows best. The first time he said that he did that, I lost it. I could not stop laughing. I was like, you're joking. He was like, no, no, no. This is for real. I was like, oh, okay. The warning signs were there when we first met though. Like, I think I showered at his apartment one time and he was upset because I didn't turn the label facing for whatever. I was done with the sheet. And I was like, hmm, there's something here. - So I want to talk about like misconceptions in this space, which I'm sure there are a lot of. Well, one, I guess, what is the biggest misconception that you women feel exists in this space? - I feel like, I mean, online right now, we're getting a lot of, you know, just calling us prostitutes. I can say that, but yeah, yeah. I don't, I don't know. I believe that sex work is work. And yes, we treat it like a business. Like, we are all successful business owners. I just wish that people showed us that respect. - Yeah. I think the biggest misconception that I have seen has been that in order to do what we do, you have to be some outcast, desperate, destitute of society to allow yourself to do it. Almost like you scrape yourself off the bottom of the barrel and the show really does. - Like you've had to hit rock bottom or something. - Yeah, yeah. And not just to do it because you see an opportunity and it makes sense for you and your family. And I think that's what double lives really is aim to break that stigma and judgment and just know that there's more information to it and that, you know, a lot of us, like we, you know, we have college degrees. We are, we are moms, we are neighbors. Like we are friends, like looking on the street. - Yeah. - People wouldn't be able to tell that we do spicy content. And so it's just empowering to know that, you know, we are still normal people even though we do something until I feel a little unconventional. So when you ladies go to the doctor's office and they're like, what is your occupation? What do you write down? - Self-employed. - Self-employed. - I actually have not. - Don't ask that question yet. - At the other day I wrote entertainment and then I was like, well, they might, yeah. - They might think that that's. (laughing) - Yeah, but yeah. - It depends on the doctor because like I am very like open with my doctor now about it. You know, I tell them like I create adult content and stuff like that because you know, knowledge is power and obviously if there's, you know, we want to be honest and obviously we're safe. - 'Cause that's kind of fun. Now that you seem obviously very dissecure and comfortable with what you and your husband do, it's almost like, are you enjoy the dropping that? - It's the same thing. (laughing) - I've seen the right issues. - Yeah, it's actually great because I wasn't always this confident, okay. I've had to build this and really like, I am truly like proud of it now that I've struggled, you know, to become this person and here I am and I can talk about it, but I love actually being able to release that weight of being able to just say what I am and an adult spicy content creator and open up the room. People, people are very careful about what they say to your face. It's much easier to cast all this hate and shade online. I've even had people that have been like, nice to my face whenever I told them about it and I was like, oh, great for them. I respect you for that. And then months later when the show comes out, all bashing and I was like, you really saw that to my face. But at least I know that I was respectful. I gave people an opportunity to ask questions and I say, hey, we never have to talk about this again or if you have questions, I'm an open book. - I think to another big misconception like is like with our kids being on the show. And I just like to say that like, the whole part of having our kids on the show is to show that we're moms, to show that we, like that we are complex humans, just like anybody else and that we're moms, we're wives, we're friends. - They're still normal. - Yes, we're still normal. But we have this as a career. - You know what I mean? - Well, it's a double life because even though people see the image is flashing, it's gonna be kids and then the adult content. That does not mean that they are together. Like we are so careful. - We are still parents. We will protect our kids with whatever we can. Obviously, yes, the birds in the bees talk will come up at some point. Our kids are, you know, pretty young right now. And so it's just not an age appropriate conversation. - Right, my son's five. - Right. - I'm not going to have that discussion with them. - Have there been any like scary moments again 'cause there's just a lot of judgey people out there. There's a lot of judgey people in places of power. - Right. - Have there been any people out there accusing you women of like being bad parents or threatening to even take your kids away as a result of what you choose to do? Have there been moments like that? - Yeah, straight up lies too. People saying that we do this for their kids in our room. Like just to just to be nasty and how do you feel about yourself really trying to ruin somebody's life? Like if we are not hurting somebody, like how can you do that? I don't understand. - Right. - And a lot of y'all have like the room in the basement, through the basement to the garage. - With the walls. - With the walls, like are these additions to the house? How did we all get, like I'm very proud of my content room the one that says a closet? - The one on the trailer is my content house. - Yes. - My husband built it. I'm so proud of it. - Shout out Phil. - But yeah, no. It was actually that room was just an unused room. It was, we bought the house and then it was actually an unfinished room. And we're like, yeah, let's turn this into your content space. And has a lock on the door. Fingerprint lock. Soundproof, you know, panels and two-factor authentication. - Oh, thanks. - Right. - But, you know, it's, I don't know, I'm super proud of you. - Have your kids ever been like what, I mean, it's, what's in this room? Can I go in there? - I'd just say, it's an office. - Yeah, yeah. - It's storage. - Yeah. - Christmas decor. - Yeah. - I want to talk about like the business side of it. I'm, well, just to start at your lady's comfort level. - Yeah. - How much money have you been to? - A lot. - I love sharing numbers. - Okay, just like you like sharing the numbers. - Oh, yeah. So I guess when I was found out, things went crazy. But, yeah, it was like one and a half million dollars in three months. And it has just continued to be successful. So, yeah, just in the millions. - So you're a millionaire. - Yeah. - Are you all millionaires? - Not yet. - Not yet. - Well, things are not, they're on their way. - But yes. - It's pretty close. - Sometimes it's funny, though, 'cause sometimes it's like a slow grind, right? And that's something will pop. And yeah, I have like a really good month. - Right, right. But even if it takes me, you know, 20 years to achieve, you know, the goal that I have, you know, to be able to, you know, make sure my kids have everything that they need. You know, take care of my family. Hopefully, like when my mom's old and like, you know, our family, you know, needs help that we can help, help them. I'll do it as long as I need to. - Do you? Go ahead, Bri. - I was just gonna say like, I mean the amount of money and the fast money that we all make, yeah. I mean, like multiple thousand dollar days. - Oh, yeah. - Do you ladies remember the first thing that you bought outside of like extra groceries or what, like the first thing that you're like, you know what, I'm gonna treat myself. I made some money. What was it, Tammy? - No, oh, no. I mean, like, I think we're over two. (laughing) - Let's get it, let's get it. - Let's get it, let's get it. - Yesterday, that was like my LA president's myself. But, no, whenever we first started like, it came in and we made some money. money. I remember I'm such like a home body like I love taking care of my home. My home is my happy place and I really buy things for myself like I it's just like I I invest it in my home and I think I bought like a like a headboard for my bed. I just have mattresses on the floor Drew and I just moved into a rental house and I love that. I love that. As you've seen with my Lufa just up in the air. My shower stream like the first time I ever did it like really popped off and my first thing was like I want some bowtocks. I want to get these from my forehead and around my crows feet. It's not cheap. It's a money. Yes, it's free. What about you? I honestly can't I mean like the most significant thing that stands out to me is like a boob job. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. I love it. What part do you say you bought a purse in L.A. You were like I'm here in L.A. I've got shoes. I've got like a ton. Yeah. Oh my gosh. And I don't buy things for myself but I might have had some help from a fan. Okay. You you mentioned that you know just because not everyone is successful in the space. So I'm just curious like what makes you successful because I imagine it's not just the act of sack. It sounds like the space has a lot to do with fetishes or unique interests and things like that. Yeah. So yeah. Honestly, it's like you can't just put a picture and expect someone to pay you. Right. It is it is a grind. It is especially a social media grind like 24/7. Yes. Because these platforms really like you have to get your name out there. So you have to develop a following. So I wish a following. Yep. And then hopefully funnel people to do the thing. And what's the trick to make you women unique in this space that allows you to have the following. I think like like having your niche. Yeah. Like you're like you had like the teacher thing. Mine's like kind of like good girl gone bad like church girl. Did you come up with that name yourself or would you do it? Yeah. Well yes. Yeah. I would say yes definitely distinguish yourself but um you know be open-minded to like trying different things to find out where you fit. Right. Don't see like don't follow the same with what everybody's doing. Yeah. Do yourself do something that you feel comfortable doing that is sustainable for you because the difference between how people can just look up you know adult content online for free and why they are subscribing and following us is that you know we are real people. You message us. You were talking to us. It's more about building that relationship but it seems more like you seem more seen. Right. And more personal. Previous to you know recent years. How cool is it that you can access your favorite adult star. Yeah. And like it's kind of cool. Actually communicate with them like one-on-one. And how do you balance that you know because I'm sure like throughout the day you got people messaging you and you're trying to take kids to school or do stuff. So how do you balance it all? Yeah. It never stops honestly. Obviously we are very protective of our family time. That's the whole reason why we started this you know we we separate that but I mean there's DMs all all the time. I'm not answering messages at like 2 a.m. I'll get like quite a bunch of question marks. I'm like I have to sleep too. Yeah. You have to place limits on it and down just though because you know as much as we we are there and we do give a lot of our time ourselves to our fans but like right. We are there for our families. Yes. We need to be present for our families. And like my husband Jim and I will kind of do this thing of like because I um do video calls on sex, they're in a lot of all of us are on there too. Like you're doing it like you're just face to like face time. Yeah, like face time. But like my husband will take our son out of the house and like go do yeah go do something fun so that I can do that and like or yeah. I'm really curious about that part of it because it seems like that's a big part of being successful in the space. It's not just posting the shower video or the backside picture or whatever but it's developing relationships with these fans. You're right. And I imagine there's a lot of gray in that space and and I'm curious specifically with your partners right because I think it's kind of it makes a lot of sense that you know when you guys your husbands were talking about like honestly it was kind of like improved our sex life. It was kind of sexy a little kinky whatever but then when you start developing relationships with these fans what boundaries do you guys have to set as a couple and I imagine there have been moments where jealousy and insecurity kind of popped up. You know for us not really I mean I'm not to say that like jealousy never happens but the boundaries that we set from the very beginning was that this is physical this is money and yes we get to know our fans but it's definitely like my heart is not for sale like my heart is committed 100% to my husband no matter you know what we do. If it wasn't fun together and if you said tomorrow hey I don't want to do this anymore fine. I think about it this way of like you put it really good to me of like I love my husband like we have like that deep intimate romantic relationship but then like you know where it's like video calls or collabs like that's just sexual you know what I mean like you just take like the feelings it's business you know what I mean. Have you ever had like a weird or scary moment with a fan who didn't kind of respect or understand the boundaries. Yeah and you know what we can do in those situations and literally it's all the power having that power ourselves that like we are not like people like you said people are like oh you're prestige you're being paid like our husbands are consensual with us but right as far as the fans go or the request goes know as a full sentence yeah or like you do not have to do anything that we don't want to do right. I think it's really opened up a space for the future of you know sex workers where it is much safer it's on your terms and you can still yes provide for your family pay those bills you know whatever your goals are in in sex work and do it in your way in a safe space yeah. I imagine a lot of the criticism or I've heard and I'm fairly ignorant to the space so let me know from wrong but you know especially if for women who might be criticism you women yeah like I imagine like there's a lot of lonely men out there maybe some of those men are in relationships are married. Have you been accused of being like home records and things like that and then what would you say to those women who feel a certain way about making connections with their husbands. I feel like that goes back to the communication that the husband and wife should be having. Yes we are like facilitating this but we're out there but they're making that choice I would say like the personal responsibility right and there are multiple times where I'm on a call somebody will tell me they're married and like they're almost they're reaching out for help truly I I hear it I know that it's not right for them to be like paying and all this but like while I'm on the call with that person I will help coach them I will be like hey you've been like a therapist. Yeah yeah tell her how you feel like right where they're like how would I get into this like why I talked to my wife right how do I talk to my wife about this you feel like you've saved at least one marriage I hope I hope so I don't know maybe the fact that like they they don't talk to us anymore means that they don't know there you go and I'm fine with that I'm not saying that like yeah these these people think that like we're so cutthroat that we need like all this I'm like no we we still want to like our fans happy but we're just here to provide like it's an interaction it's a service and in some ways I just think it's like you know it's a transaction it's and I think for a lot of like fans too it's a fantasy it's an escape right you know what I mean and where actresses in their own plan do you feel like there's maybe a taboo for your fans as well as there like might be for you like people who watch and subscribe and pay for content I imagine if someone were to say oh no I'm a I subscribed to her page they would be met with a similar well not maybe similar criticism but yeah yeah a lot of people want to maintain their confidentiality and uh listen I just want to assure our fans as well just because we're on tv just not mean we're gonna out you know this is right me and this right like obviously we're in this have been in this uh space for so long because you know I feel like we do we respect that relationship as well and confidentiality when we were trying to hide and we wouldn't want somebody to wrap us out yeah it provides no benefit for us to out somebody else on something we're doing right honestly yes encourage like if the guy is saying things like that like yeah you want to tell my wife will you like talk to her yeah like have the conversation like right open up like have the conversation about like having your wants and your needs met like yeah between husband and wife right um yeah try to be open-minded and make that connection yeah I just think it's so funny because like I'm getting thrown so much like hate right now towards me and my husband in our in our hometown but it's just kind of funny because at the same time I'm getting so many subscribers yeah from people in my hometown and they're telling you like yeah I'm from yeah they're like won't tell me their names but like we'll give me details about how they know me or I'm like yeah I don't know I'm not gonna out any of your subscribers are like people you see every day yeah absolutely get messages all the time like they'll see us out in public yeah in our towns and be like hey I saw you yeah today or but they won't come up to have any of them all like because sometimes you were a disguise yeah you have do you still wear disguise no okay as soon as the trailer air that was me being out yeah I have any of your customers worn disguises something like the camera at their faces like they'll just - I don't think I've ever experienced it. - I don't know, I, there's some fetish stuff, a lot of masks. - Yeah. - Yeah. - What's the goofy as mask, you mean? - A dragon mask. - Really? (laughing) - I am not, that's funny. - I think back to like the business side of everything. I know such a common question is like, how do taxes work? Like how do taxes just like everybody else? - And you have to hold it out yourself, like $10.99. - Yeah, $10.99. - Yes. - But you have to keep track of that, like all yourself. Like I think the biggest mistake that people make is coming in and being like, I'm gonna make this extra money because they need it, they treat it like a part-time job but I'm like, it's not. - You didn't think about holding out taxes. - Absolutely, that's not your fault. - That's not your fault. - Because so many people in the comments will be like, don't let the IRS see this. - I'm like, are you paying taxes? - That's it, that's it. - Everybody else. - Right. The IRS is subscribed. (laughing) - The IRS is probably like, make that money. (laughing) - And do you women talk about the type of content you make? I'm just curious, I guess, again, at your comfort level, is it just pictures and just videos solo? Are you, any of you participate in the act of sex with your partners and show that? Like what is, what are you all doing? - I don't know what we can say. Yeah, it's, I don't know, we collaborate. I think that there's all consensual, we collaborate, and everybody's kinda got like their own little niche. - I think this is one thing too. Within, we call it our lifestyle, is a lot of people have different boundaries. It's not one shoe fits all, and so that's where respect and communication and being vulnerable and honest, even within the community holds a lot of weight because you want to make sure that you're not crossing a line with another couple. - Yeah, yeah. - What is the need for the use of kind of some of these code words? Is it like the collaboration instead of saying what, maybe it really is that like to keep people curious about what's on your page, is that just-- - I would say, that's what it is a term. Like in content creation, a collab, you do a collab with another creator. - That just means you're working with them and whatever facet that is, but yeah, I would say like, obviously like the show is gonna go into our stuff like a lot more, and so I'm so sorry. 'Cause we're so open, and we would love to be like, yes, this is everything, but I would just encourage the viewers to watch and stay tuned, see where it goes. - And we'll ask a question about Megan. - Okay, yeah, let's get into it. - Let's get into it. - First episode was very, she alluded to you doing this horrible thing that she thinks that you did that has ruined her life second episode, we find out. - I was like, who did she kill? - I know, we were like, oh my gosh, this must be so bad. Turns out she thinks you are the one who outed her with the newspaper. - Did you find that out in real time filming, or did you know that that was something she thought? - A lot of information we found out recently. - Yeah, so for three years, we have been friends and not once as she said this to me. - Oh well. - I have a lot of feelings about this. And what I can truly say is that the truth is revealed and people show their true colors. And sometimes people say things because no one is talking about them, so they have to talk about other people. That's what I will say. - Do you know how she got found out? - Yes, yeah. - You do. - You'll see on the show, the truth is revealed, so. - Wow. - She did say on this second episode that if she could do it all over again, she would not participate in content creation or adult content. - I'm sure that has happened with people. What are your thoughts on that? And have you encouraged her to stop if she's not comfortable with it? Or do you think that's how she truly feels? - It's so interesting because it's like, I can speak for myself. I don't know about you, girls, exactly. On this topic, but I feel very used by Megan. - Yes. - You know, seeing things like that, like, I wish I never would have never done it. Like, we have said, like, why are you still doing it then? Like, what are you still doing? And I truly think it's just about, you know, she's hanging on to it into us to pay her bills. - Yeah. - The fact is, I think that, you know, it really is about, you can't, you sure everybody wants the reward, everybody wants the paycheck from it, but it comes at a cost. We're not here saying there's no consequence to it. - Right. And so, yes, as you're kind of saying, like, if you are using somebody else for the financial benefit, but then not willing to put yourself out there, like, other people have sacrificed, that's a little hard to swallow. - I, yeah, whenever I heard that Megan was making that accusation about Bri, I was completely just shocked because I know Bri and her character and the type of friend that you are. And I'm just like, what? Like, that's so funny. - And she had to act really well. - Yeah, yeah, there's so much I could say on this. - Like, you, you can. - Yeah, so I will just say that, like, you know, to make that accusation, and then actually, at the time, three years ago, she came to me for help, wanting me to contact, like, get her in touch with reporters. But to make that accusation on the show, make this make sense. - So it's like she wanted to do interviews about being a teacher who did content creation. - Do we think it's because she saw how successful it was for you? - This is something I really didn't catch on to until Macy brought it to my attention, but she, you said you kind of picked up on a lot of jealousy. - Yes. - Yeah. - Yeah, you find out who your true friends are. - Yeah. - Honestly. - Yeah. - So you guys use content creation, obviously, is a way to describe what you do. There seems, you know, you've also used word sex work. What are, what are labels that you women are comfortable with? And what are labels that you find to be offensive or you don't appreciate? - I don't appreciate being called a prostitute. - I am not a prostitute. - What about porn star? - I don't mind that. But like, I don't think we can say that. - That's kind of a lot of like, I don't think we can say that. - Yeah, I think that was censored for, like, TLC was kind of like, you know, don't say porn. A lot of people are like, call it what it is, it's porn. And it's like, well, I don't think we can say that on TV. - There's a little bit of a gray area to that though too. And like, I guess we do get kind of nitpicky with how our labels are because we want to be portrayed to the right audience in the right way. And I would say even like with porn star, it's funny. Like, I only think about this because of the platforms and how they categorize us. So there is kind of like a different differentiation between adult content creators and porn stars. And I think that breaks down into mainstream. - Yeah, mainstream versus which everybody do it your own way. That's fine. But I think it does just help hone in your audience a little bit more. That the content creators are very like organic amateur. Like you're doing it, you're doing this all yourself. You know, where there's a mainstream, there's a lot more hands in the pot in it. - Yeah. - Right. Like, there's a big difference between amateur porn and porn. - I also hear a lot of people having kind of like management or things like that, do you, agencies? - We do, I do not personally. - Yeah, we do not. - You do it all yourself. - No, and I think I take immense pride in that. And yes, I understand for some people, right. People aren't done. Like they know the difference. And I know some people choose to just go the financial benefit. But I think long term, it's a poor choice personally. I think it's a poor choice to use management agencies. - And when you say that because you're, is that because the agencies who are helping you are sometimes the ones communicating with your fans? - Yeah, because they're chatting and sending out stuff. And yeah, it's the financial reward. But the whole premise of what we are based on is being ourselves and so the people can access us. - That is what they're being for. - If you can tell the difference like versus a creator who uses management and doesn't, like the management is literally spamming you all day long 24/7. Like if I follow a creator, I have to sometimes mute them because their agency is sending me messages every 30 minutes and I'm like, - And I don't knock anybody, this is to say, I don't knock anybody that has tried it because I think there's a lot of like a lure. We have people reaching out to be our agencies all the time and you know, I don't blame somebody for trying 'cause they make it seem like, hey, this could be all like great. But there's another side of it that people just have to consider. And I think unfortunately reputation in this line of work is very important. And if you do something like that to destroy your reputation, you could be over. Your business is over everything that you sacrifice for and put out there is over. And even more so with your friends and who you collaborate with. - Right, exactly. We have to be very careful I think of people that don't necessarily walk in the same authentic way that we do and that may not always have the best intentions in mind. You have to have people that play well with others that understand trust and collaboration. - Right. - And that you can't do this along. - Are meet and greet to thing like in person? - I have not done one yet. - We did like a golf thing. - Yeah, that's true. - Yeah, so my husband hosted a golf tournament and yeah, so there's plenty of, but we kind of like find each other online. That is a benefit of social media. It's not just for to reach our fans for business. It's to reach other creators that are out there and people will find each other. - Drew and I hosted a golf tournament last year and that was for fans and creators to come to you so that fans had an opportunity to like meet their fans. - And such a classy way to go about too. - It was just centered around like a common, well, two common goals I guess, all for maybe some people didn't play golf really, but yeah. It's just the fact that we are opening ourself. And obviously, still being safe, but vulnerable enough to meet our fans because a lot of girls you message you won't get a response or like, you know, they're like, hey, you know, can we talk and they just snub you and it's like we want to show people that we are real people just like them. And I think the most common comment that I get is when people meet me they're like, oh, actually you're really easy to talk to and I was like, sometimes I'm like, actually that makes me feel good. I've come a long way because you think so, but I just think of myself as like still that like nerdy girl. I'm just like somebody else. Have either of any of you been propositioned to like experience a real life situation with any of you women? Is that like a thing? We got a lot of the first messages are, can we collab? And I literally say you cannot talk about that on this platform. Like, you cannot, like, that is not a day. Literally, let me like clarify the whole like prostitute thing. On sex Panther, it is a huge no no in rule that you cannot talk about. You can even like say the word meet. So it turns the service violation because that situates money for sex and it legal. So that's a rule that the platform has for a kind of thing. Exactly. Yeah, and they like they block the word meet. So the fans will like find some fancy way to like spell it differently with like three. And like, I tell them, I'm going to get me kicked off. You're going to get kicked off if you keep talking about that or I'm going to have to block you like if you don't stop. Has the amount of money you women have made, I guess like shifted your boundaries, right? Because it's like it's one thing that's like, oh, wow, it's like it made. Yeah, you're like, I'm going to start with heat picks. Wow. Okay. Maybe I'll do more. Yeah, I'll do more. There's like what what has a price, so to speak, how do you guys like nothing was really off the table for me? And then again, so I had to be here because he always says everything has a price. I'm like, okay, well, maybe not everything. I think a little a little differently. But you know, again, we have the power to say no. Yeah, I think it is encouraged, you know, to keep your mind open to possibilities. But at any point, you can be like, nope, I'm only going to post-feed pictures. I will never do anything else. I'm not as fine as you. And curious, like, if you're a husband, be your business partners, how do they handle that? Like everything has a price conversation, right? Because at the end of the day, it's, it's your body. It's your choice. It's not certainly like, how do your husbands like, if there's a, is there ever a conversation where there's like an offer on the table? It's a lot of money. And you're just like, I don't know. What is that conversation? Consent, you know, my husband would never put me in a situation to be like, hey, you should do this because I want you to do it. Or you could make this much money. It's like we, we all know, like consent. If I'm not okay with something, it doesn't, it doesn't happen. There's not a conversation, like, try to change your mind. It's just like this. I tell him he can do it if he wants. With mine, I said all like, I said all my prices. And then I help him set his prices. So it's, yeah, like, we work together. Yeah, it's not like a conversation, like, you should. Yeah, going back to like boundaries and communication and respect, like within this community, like my husband, I, we only play together with other people. And so like, me knowing like our boundaries and like, okay, you know, like, yeah, I wouldn't do that. So it's like, I think it brings up a conversation though. I'm sorry if I'm like stealing this, but like, I think it brings up a conversation of that boundaries can change and boundaries can shift. Like, that's probably the point you're getting to is that it's okay to be like, actually, you know, that wasn't as bad as I thought or I was wrong about that. Hey, I'll give it a, you know, give it another try, you know, that's fine. And but communication is the key there. It's never a forced thing. It's never like, hey, you should take one for the team and do this because I want you to do it. Right. We don't do that. That's not a healthy, you know, it's not healthy practice in any, any form. How do you as a couple's checking with each other when you're collaborating with other creators? I think at the beginning of any collaboration to say like, okay, so what are your, what are your nose? Like, you're not comfortable with your husband. Everyone is collaborating. Everyone that's collaborating should be involved in the conversation about consent, what they're comfortable with and what they're not comfortable with. Yeah. So it's really good to start out and make sure everyone's on the same page at the beginning. Yeah, you don't want to have any surprises. Exactly. Exactly. Obviously, there's like, you know, like the word swingers is the whole like different community. And do you women feel like when you're collaborating, it's just work. So it doesn't feel like it's, it doesn't feel like sex or it doesn't feel like. Like like swinging or is it like, how does, how do you manage those conversations? Yeah, because people are like, oh, when you have sex, how is it not intimate? And I was like, okay, well, your, your heart, right? I was like, I'm not looking for a relationship. I'm not looking for a replacement. And, you know, it's, it's just fun. We know, yes, it's, there's a business side of it. But also you have to be able to kind of have some like trust and connection with somebody attraction to do that to put yourself in that situation. But yeah, it's never, you know, it's never like who I'm afraid somebody is feelings and listen, my husband is the best one to say this because he's like, hey, he's like, if somebody else started getting feelings for me or I got feelings, like it's not possible. He says, it's not possible for me to develop feelings for somebody else because if there was ever space for me to love somebody else, then I wasn't truly fully committed to you. It sounds like in a lot of ways doing this with your partners has improved your connections. Yeah, I was just about to go there. I 100% I feel like, especially, I don't know, just growing up in church, like even just the word sex was so like, ground upon and like such negatively, like talked about and like, no, like, like God blesses that. Like you should want to like talk about like having a good sex life with your partner. And so it's like, yes, I fully believe that like swinging and just like having those super vulnerable open conversations with my husband has definitely made things better between us. You know, it's kind of like, and even sometimes you might see something online and you're like, oh, this is a good idea. Let's try this. This could be fun. Have you guys ever collaborated without putting it online where it's just something you guys are doing for fun? But I can't run all the time. Yeah, absolutely. That's how, that's how Drew and I started. I mean, it was just really fun. And so to go back to, you know, how did you start this business? It was just fun because we found out we, we just liked, we enjoyed being watched and then, you know, we would use that like within our marriages like this is fun. Like I, I enjoy, you know, seeing you feel good and you enjoy seeing me feel good and it just was the basics from there. Yeah, I think to like, I've always thought about like when my husband is playing with someone else and I'm playing with somebody else that like, I'm like giving him a gift. I'm like, I love you like so much that like, I want you to have fun. I want, like, I know he wants me to enjoy myself and have fun. And I want the same for him. And so I think when you have like that, like, I don't know perspective and just like love for one another. Has it ever replaced like a Valentine's Day gift or a birthday gift? I do have it for me, but I do have a friend that does that. Oh really? Is there like a debrief like a, like a conversation? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, usually right after. It's not in the same room with the people because, listen, we have to talk about that too. Like, did you like this? Did you enjoy? What did you not? It's, it's so about open communication and let me also clarify here too that what we do in this lifestyle is not a fixer for a relationship. Okay, a lot of people, the biggest misconception about what we do in this lifestyle is that people are in miserable marriages. They're not happy. This is a less resort. And no, we, we, once again, are very honest with people when they ask about, you know, this open lifestyle and getting into it that like if your marriage is not rock solid. Yeah. You do not have all the elements to a successful marriage anyway of trust and open communication and boundaries and respect. And this is not for you. Do not even do not even do. Yeah, you have to have a good foundation and, um, yeah, somebody asked me the other day of like, you know, did you or your husband ever like do this before you got married and asked. I was like, I guess I just never asked my husband. I asked him and he was like, no, like, I haven't because I've never trusted anyone as much as I trust you. And I feel like that's really the foundation of it is that trust and respect and like you said, open and honest communication constantly. Like it's not like a one time conversation every time all the time. I think the show does a great job of showing you just how like secure all of y'all are in your marriages. I'm glad you say thank you. Yeah. What's your relationship with your parents these days? I don't want to give any spoilers away. Um, so you'll have to tune in. Brue, we saw in the trailer, you kind of say divorce is not off the table. You and Philip kind of go through some, some peaks and some valleys where I mean you're wearing your wedding ring today. So I think sometimes marriage can be hard and there are struggles and for me, I do think this I would say, you know, it's a balancing act, parents, spouses, business partners. that see each other 24/7, um, content creation, lifestyle stuff, just, there's so much that we are navigating. Um, and marriage can be hard. There are challenges for every marriage, whether you're a part of content creation or not. So yeah, you'll definitely see us, um, how much of your challenges do you think are just typical like marriage challenges versus content creating both doing it. Um, we have very different communication styles. Um, so it's not the content creating that created the challenges. No, no, no. Communication styles, um, you know, sometimes boundaries, it's, yeah, it's, I think everyone goes through challenges. You're all moms. Yes. So can we talk, I want to talk about the parenting aspect because I'm very fascinated about that. Obviously we're, we're young parents, we're new parents well, I'm new parents, I'm less young than she is. Um, that's just obviously just a very different conversation when kids are, when kids are involved, it just changes the calculus. I, I, I get a little nervous about when I have to tell my kids I was at the bachelor and what that sort of like, I imagine that's very different for you women. Like how have you and many of your kids are younger, I think one of the women forget her name. She has an 18 year old daughter. That was very fascinating because it was like, and again, obviously it's a TV show, but they were just like, I don't know, we're not, I don't ever want to tell our kids that's not for them to know. And it's just like, well, now they're gonna know. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's one thing for you women to be like, you know what? I'm used to criticism. I've dealt with it. I've handled it. I know what a process it internally. But no doubt, I'm sure your kids will, you know, go to the playground or go to school. And once work gets out, they will also receive feedback and criticism. How have you guys prepared your families for that? Yeah, I definitely want to say. So for one, in my household, we don't shame sex workers. I want my kids, when age appropriate, to be open-minded, be respectful of other people. I have always said that people can be different and that is okay. Shaming other people is just not something that we do. And I just really love what you say. I also said, yesterday like, my mom wasn't a sex worker and I got bullied. Yeah, kids are just mean sometimes and other adults are just mean they don't understand. And that's where kids get where kids learn from, which is the sad thing. And like, so once again, setting a good example for kids. And honestly, whenever age appropriate, using just being honest with our kids, I, the only way that I can help, you know, my children understand one day is if we have a solid relationship where they feel comfortable coming to me first, because I want them first and foremost to have the correct information. Everybody else is going to have opinions or say what things are, but I want them to be trained to come. My husband and I first so that we can help, you know, equip them. And yes, they might not agree with our choices. They might not, you know, understand, you know, everything. But just as with a parent, like, I look at my parents and I was like, I would do things a little differently as well. Like, I think that's normal things of life. But the fact is that, you know, we are still parents. We are still navigating the normal challenges of life. And it's, it's just got a different layer to it. I think too. It's like, you don't know exactly how to handle a situation until you're in it. And so I think too of like, kind of just taking things as they come. Trust. And yes, and my son's in any parent teacher conferences since I have not curious how that will go. Like, have you been good at like almost, I, yeah, I just have like, imagine like sitting down for a parent teacher conference and feeling like that teacher across the table knows what you do. And they give you a certain vibe. And like, I, you know, do you almost fantasize, not fantasize the wrong word about how you would want to, you know, defend your choices, defend your family across the table from someone who's clearly judging. I feel like my thing is with that whole thing is like, okay, we're here to talk about our kid. Let's focus on the top of the hearing. Right. And like that, like, let's leave that at the door, like that separate, like, I feel like, I mean, I mean, you're, you were a teacher, but never have I, I mean, my son's been in preschool. And so I, well, I'm trying to think, I think I've had one. But never in that conversation was I asked at the parent teacher conference, what do you guys do for? Yeah. Yeah. So I feel like that would just be very, like, kind of weird. And I think people have a choice. People always have more choices in this than they want to say that they do. Because listen, we've had some family and friends. And obviously, I know that not everybody approves of it. But I will say it gives them the opportunity. They have the chance to really stand out. Yeah. To still love you and appreciate you as a person. Even if you disagree on, you know, what you do in the bedroom or, you know, online, you know, and we've been very fortunate. We do have a lot of friends and family that are very supportive, but still in that same realm. And I have the utmost respect for them for still at the end of the day, just focusing on the common ground and seeing us as people and seeing us as we are. That is where we're looking. Right. It's like you can, like you just said, like you can still respect us, but not agree with us. You don't lost anybody in your life. Yeah. Yeah. And what were those conversations like? Yeah, it was like as soon as the news came out, as soon as they learned our secret, we were different people to them. The sad ones for me, if the losses of relationships are the ones that I didn't realize I was losing because they never came to me and told me people that I've known for years and years and years, just suddenly stopped engaging with my staff, stopped texting, stopped calling, or even took it a step further. And all of a sudden, it was a topic of conversation around everybody else, but not to me. I'm assuming some critics have asked you like, what would you say to your kids when they turn 18 and they say, "Mom, I want to be an adult content creator." How would you handle that? I think the most important thing is that they're safe. They're doing it in a safe way. They are consenting and they have the information that they need. So as long as I have the information, you would support them. Making an educated choice, making sure that they're safe. I just go back to being open-minded and accepting people for who they are and not judging. So, if I knew that they were safe and taken care of, that's all I could hope for. I think just as parents, we want our kids to be happy and listen. I think I still would stray away from being like, "You should do this or you should not do this." But still, I remember my parents being like, "I want you to be this. I want you to be that." But at the end of the day, I want them to see what makes them happy, but correct. On the basis that they are safe taking care of and that they truly understand, because I don't know that anybody truly understands of 18. How long do you plan on doing content? Is there a specific goal at which you call it and you end it? Or what does that look like? I'm open to whatever doors open. Honestly, at this point, I try not to get so hard-bent on the details of like, "We have a five-year plan, a 10-year plan." We will do whatever we need to do as long as we need to do it as long as that's working, but we have to face the fact that it's like, "Okay, yeah, we're not going to look this way forever," and even though there are certain niches for different things like that as you age and everybody's into different things that kind of automatically, then you have to rebrand yourself. So I'm really excited, and another reason why I'm just very passionate and excited to do this show with these girls is that I do believe that it will open up opportunities out there. People will see us for who we are, and we are not just sex workers, too. We have personalities. We have other hobbies, interests. We're nerds. There's so much of life that we still want to live, and that we are living, even with this scope in on our content. Do any of you have? Then you mention I don't want to do this forever. Has that changed? Because when you say it, it almost sounds like, "I have a certain dollar amount in mind." I don't know. Ten years from now, I don't know if I can see myself still doing adult content, so yeah, I'm just taking a day by day, so I really don't have a plan. In the preview, someone was driving like a Lamborghini or Ferrari. Was that, who was that? In the shop. In the Lamborghini thing got a Corvette. We got a McLaren. We got a McLaren. That was on the show, too. That's pretty cool. That was my husband's gift. Yes. I will say, I mean, I don't know. Obviously, you guys were saying, "I'm going to go day by day and take it as we go." It's not like, "Oh, if we make five million, let's be done." I thought I could stop it. Listen, the thing about being successful is that I don't think you're ever really done. Once you get it and you have to maintain it, but that is what promotes growth, though. Whenever direction, just staying open-minded, whatever doors and opportunities, you have to keep your ears open for staff, but I would say it comes from a little bit of stress, it causes growth, too much comfort, and you're not growing and you're staying. Whatever that is, just keep moving forward and being open-minded, we're open to things. My thing is, too. I genuinely love what I do for work. I mean, so I'm like, "What I do?" I'm a big fan of the this lady, Brandy Love, she is a porn star, but she always is like killing it on the letterboard, or a leaderboard, thank you, on Sex Panther. And that just inspires me so much. And I just love that, I forget exactly how old she is. Yeah, she's like the old age. - Can you break down like what is a leaderboard? - What is a leaderboard? - Ranking some stuff. - So certain platforms promote you. All the fans are not. Certain platforms promote you from within to like the more money you make, the higher you get on the leaderboard and the more visibility you have, which is why we really love that platform. - Can you explain the Millthouse a little bit? - Oh yeah, I love it. - I love it. - I love how you describe it as a more like tone down version of what you ladies do, but it also has the name Millthouse. (laughing) - Great branding. - We are where we are right at the end of the day, but it was just a group that we started just to showcase just being fun moms. And yes, we have the side, but it's just been fun. - I think like it's cool for people to see, like fans to see the contrast of like, like this PG like fun, that cutesy look, but yet you can, if you click other links or like if you go to this other page, you can see the spicy side of us. Yeah, but I mean at the end of the day, I've really enjoyed like having that aspect and like adding that to us because we just have so much fun. Like, just gonna make silly rils and TikToks and, yeah. - So we do other things when we get together also. - Yeah. - And so you leaned into the like, the church girl character, you leaned in the teacher. What was your kind of initial-- - It was Erica Swings. - Yeah, Erica Swings is my name. So I kind of have a double life within a double life. Like, people to the world know me as Tammy, but online I've always been known as Erica Swings. And so yeah, that's kind of like-- - Was it your husband who was like, I've never met an ugly Erica? (laughing) Like, shout out to her. - Shout out to all the beautiful characters out there. - And have you stuck with these particular personas or is it fun to maybe play different characters and what other, I guess, personas have you enjoyed? - I don't really do like anything with that teacher niche. Like, I mean, I have 'cause I get requested a lot. - Okay. - But I'm just me, honestly. - Yeah. - I think it's very funny because I am flexible. I will try. I will put on different hats, right? There's ones that I'm more comfortable in. I'm definitely more of like the submissive, like the, you know, the mom next door, kind of like innocent type thing. But, you know, I definitely have like a fun side and I'm open to a lot of things. But I think it's funny on the show. It's like, they showcased me in that like black level like thing. (laughing) And that was too, like, that I had so much fun with it because that's right. I'm not like a dummy mommy as they call it, really. But if I get comfortable in the right character with somebody, it motivates me. And that's probably that people please are in me as well that I'm like, you know what? Actually, I could see this because they make it so easy. So it's fun. I'm learning things about myself. - Right. - Discovering new things that I'm open to. - They've only seen the first episode, right? - Yeah. - What was that like watching that back? - It was wild. - I felt like I was an emotional roller coaster. I was like, all right, guys, you ready? - Yeah. - I think the biggest shock to all of us was that throughout filming, throughout this process, you know, Megan was our, for the most part, our friend. And really had us convinced that she had her backs. So that was surprising. - Are you worried about what more you will learn from maybe her interviews and things like that? - There's conversations, obviously, we're had in rooms that we were not in. - Right. - I think once again, this is just a such a good example of why like your integrity and being authentic matters because the truth will come out. And I think people will see things for what they are. And we're having to learn things, you know, ourselves in this process as well that, you know, some people don't think the way that we do and not even in a way of just like that different is bad. But that we realize that they're, not everybody always has the best intentions out there. But we really, it really helps solidify like who, you know, who our tribe is and help attract other people. 'Cause like we are an open group. We want to bring people in. We want to grow this community. But we do have to be careful about, you know, our reputations and who we allow access to us. - So are all three of y'all no longer friends with Megan? - I don't know if we can really say that. Is that a spoiler? - Yeah, it's a spoiler. - Toonet. (laughs) - I am, what conversations around the whole reality TV aspect because we've obviously covered this space for a long time. You don't have to be an adult content creator for reality TV to, you know, make a wedge between a couple. There's been a lot of reality TV couples who have not lasted as a result of the drama and the, and the lack of control you have in reality TV. And I think the theme when I'm hearing from you women, when it comes to being adult content creators is the control you do have. The agency that you have, the ability to say yes and the ability to say no, but when it comes to making reality TV show, that's a very, that's a very, very different. - It is. - How have you had conversations? What conversations have you had with your partners about how to, you know, not allow this show to create a wedge that would never be there otherwise? Because reality TV, I can just tell you from my experience, you can definitely do that. And, you know, these shows need drama. They need to, they, they want to have the interpersonal relationships and the conflict. And that's very different than the space you've women have been working in. - They'll have a night came into this, like, you know, we don't really have anything to hide. Yeah, we definitely get things get interesting for us on the show. - Mm-hmm. - But, you know, to me, it's, we know where we stand at the end of the day. - Yeah. - And, yeah, like I don't, our, our relationship is real and we have real conflict just like every other relationship. So, at the end of the day, like, we still know where we stand and, yeah, it gets interesting. Like, going into doing the show, I was like, I need to choose my words very wisely because you don't know how things are gonna be pieced together. You know, I think that for Drew and I to like our character regardless of what, you know, is maybe highlighted or low-lighted on the show, our character should speak for itself in real life and that's why we try so hard just to be the same, you know, on screen and off screen. Like, I think, I think we are, but yeah, hopefully that's highlighted but I know in the end, like, people can throw shade, people can say all these things, all these accusations, like, there's always going to be that. You're putting yourself out there for criticism but the people that know us know us and that's why it's so important to have that integrity and be who you are every day. Like, your character speaks for itself. - Yes. - I'll tell you the content creation aspect. This show very much reminds me of the secret lives of Mormon wines. Are you ladies familiar with that show? Fans of it? - I've never watched it. - You've never watched it. - I haven't watched it. What are your thoughts? Do you see the similarities? - The only thing that's similar is the name. We, like, yeah, I mean, to my knowledge, they weren't doing spicy content. - No, yeah, so for me, the show is so important because, like, in our industry, like, we are literally trailblazing a path. Like, we are the first of its kind. - This is, like, we are, there's show, I mean, to, for content creators to make, like, a mainstream network like this, this is brand new. And so for people saying that, like, we're a knockoff, we're a copycat, no, we're not. - Honestly, the first thing. - No, your show's amazing. - Yeah. - Shut up, shut up, stop productions. Yes. - Thank you, thank you. - Thank you, Scout. - Just don't have the dads do, like, a dill house. (laughing) There's this whole dad talk thing, and it, like, ruined the show, where the husband's kind of got jealous of the wives. It seems like your husband's already heavily involved and very supportive, so I hope that, I hope that with this, no doubt, the success and fame that you will receive from the show, because I don't see how it's not gonna be a hit. - Yeah, I hope that doesn't change for your relationships. - Right, I feel like at the end of the day, like, what we keep coming back to is, like, just that open honest communication, and, like, that respect that we show our spouses, but also, like, just to each other, and that we try to show to everyone that we encounter, you know what I mean? And, yeah, it's like, I just, I think about it and the fact of, like, you've built that foundation of trust, that you just have to trust each other, you know what I mean? - Yeah, I think this community was not built by accident, with his very intentionally built community, and we continue to, you know, go that way, because that has, what has worked for us, and I believe what has got us here. And, yeah, I'm excited for where it's going. - Well, it is a great show, truly, so good. I cannot wait to keep watching it and binging it, so congratulations, ladies. - Thank you so much. - Thank you. - Well, before we let you, ladies go, is there any final thoughts or a message you wanna leave with our audience or anything we didn't cover that you wanna address or talk about? - Just to be kind, treat us like human beings, and, like, show us a little bit of respect. - I would say hang in there, also. There's a lot of criticism of, like, the most necessary, I've seen so much good and so much, like, criticism and skepticism. - Right. - You think you might know, but there's a lot of secrets, and on a whim, there is so much story that has yet to be told Yeah, let's cross our fingers for a season two. Yes. they'll be. They'll be us too. Well, congratulations on the show. I appreciate you women being so open and vulnerable and talking about something that is both sensitive and obviously very fascinating for a lot of people and obviously the frustration comes from both fans and critics. If I can offer you any advice, just don't read the comments. Yeah. Oh my God. Oh my God. I am a seasoned vet with hate comments. I got God bless. I try to focus on the positive comments. I truly thank you for coming. I really appreciate you guys talking about this. It's truly fascinating and just congratulations on the show and really excited for this. I mean, it's it's a fascinating show and I really think you you ladies struggled and congrats to TLC. They really knocked it out of the park with this one. Yeah, thank you. Thank you so much for having us. [Music]