E1171 - Double Lives of Suburban Wives, Married at First Sight & UGT + Nina From DWTS: The Next Pro

(upbeat music) - What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vow Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host Nick Jain by the household. We got Mary Justin, sweet boy Justin. Are you still sweet boy Justin? - Man Justin. - Sweet man. - Have I aged? - No. (laughing) - Bailey is with us. We also have Rachel Scalian with us. - So close. You said Scalian like an onion, which is fine. I understand you're not sitting. - No, we're gonna shut over. I gotta get it right. I can't. - But also Rachel Scalian is giving my Veggie Tales name, which I do appreciate as we do talk about. - Veggie Tales. - Veggie Tales. - The next episode. - Scan Lyn. - You're doing great. - Welcome. - I'm a little tired today. - Well, I'm so happy to be here. I'm sad. - We're very happy to have you. - Thank you for letting me do this. You can try again. - Letting you. - No, we invited you. - Oh yeah. Thanks for doing that. - Thank you. You do to this, the favor. - I'm always in the valley. I'm ready to party. - You're a valley girl. - 12 years in the valley. - Oh wow. - I passed Jackson's old bar on the way here. I'm home. I'm happy. - Have you met Jackson? - I have. Frightening. I mean, I went to the first week when the bar opened. I used to watch the valley like episodes at Jackson's bar. And he couldn't get it. This was what was crazy. He couldn't get it to connect. I've seen videos of this, 'cause he would have his mic too, right? - He would have his mic. - He couldn't get it. So everyone's there to watch the valley. We're all there to watch the valley at Jackson's bar. Whether or not he's, whatever. I know I shouldn't support Jackson. Whatever, this is my truth. Sorry. - No, listen, listen. - You're safe here. - He's a TV character. We're allowed to appreciate our villains. There's a separation between church and state. - Thank you for saying that. - On the show, which is like we cover characters. And sometimes we talk about these characters in a passionate and critical way, but we don't know them as people. I know when it comes to Jacks, there's a lot of-- - The parable. - There's a lot of information out there that just suggests that we might be able to to make an assumption on his character. - There is a darkness in there that I do think goes beyond TV. However, yes, I was at the re-- - Yes, I was watching. - I was wondering if I could say anything different. - 100%. We've all been around these people, okay? - You sound like you're trying to explain what you got like-- - Policrafts are like a political rally that you were aligned with. - Listen, that's like giving the re-ed comedy festival. I'm like, I didn't know. It was funny because I was there. I'm a huge fan of All Things Vanderpump. We're watching the Valley at Jacks' Bar. Jacks is trying to get it to connect to the TV. Has to call Brittany and use her log. We can all see it's her email. And then he's getting angrier and angrier and then handing up for shots. - Did he call Lori? - I mean, it seems like he needed a lot of assistance. - Call Lori. - I mean, it no longer exists, right? - Right, no, it's gone. Yeah, R-A-P. Did you guys ever see when it did say Britzbar? - Oh, no. - Well, I saw the shot. - I saw it. - Yeah. - In the flesh. - In real life. - Whoa, rocked my shit. Anyways, I do love the Valley living here and the show. - Are you from the Midwest? - I'm from Minnesota, yep. - Oh, Wisconsin. - Oh, really? I went to a college in Milwaukee. You W. Milwaukee. - Oh, we saw today? - Go Panthers. - It's a period. - What the fuck? - How'd you end up there? - I needed to get out of Minnesota 'cause I had recently come out. And I didn't wanna. I needed a new group of people. - Right. - And Wisconsin had in-state reciprocity. So it was gonna be more affordable because I was paying for my own college. And then I toured the campus and I thought it was beautiful right by the lake front. And I played rugby and I had a D1 collegiate rugby team. And they had a great ASL program and a ton of dikes. So I was very happy. - Well, blue. - My sister worked out one of the famous gay bars Walker's pint. - No, the one that tricked me in the tone, right? - Tricksy's bar. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Yes. - Did you live in the tower, the- - I did, Sanberg. North tower, shouted out. Nasty North. - I was at UW-Madison my first two years in the night. - Well, you transferred over? - Yeah, for love. - Really? - Yeah. - It seemed to be closer to my sister. All my friends were there. - How did the love work out? - That's so great. - Would you like Madison or Milwaukee better as a collegiate person? - Tough question. - I love ruin my first two years of college, I didn't- - Yeah, I- - Let's see, we're running from love. - You were running from love? - No, I was running for, I was running to love. - Oh. - And you're a track star. - So you went there fast. - Yeah. What I'm here now. - That's what college is about. Is making huge swings romantically that oftentimes are detrimental to the rest of your life? - Did you go to, how old are you? - I'm 35. - Okay. - No, it was grease and delights. No, they probably burnt out. - You said okay, like, that was much older than you thought. You said okay, like, are you also 35? Is that why? - I'm 45. - Oh, okay. - But I thought you were gonna say like 25. - It's the mullet, it gives like, young boy with, like, it was like, mug. I don't know. - You got skin too. - Yeah. - Thank you. - You ever go to the Oakland Earls? - Oh yeah, OG, Oakland Earls, of course. - No good earl places in LA, like the Midwest crushes when it comes to your earl. And here we are in LA. - Lots to get into this episode. Obviously we have Rachel here. We also have Nina from Dance with the Stars and Next Pro. We are closely monitoring that show to find out who is gonna be an extra on on on that situation. - So how do the, I'm curious, like, they have men and women. Is there an advantage in any direction? When's the next season? 'Cause they haven't fully, or announced it. - They haven't fully announced it yet. - No. I just know Sierra is gonna be in it. That's my reminder. - Sierra Miller. - Yeah, Sierra Miller. - More Higgins. - More Higgins. - Maxine from the. - Oh, I only care about that. - The baseball player? - Yeah. - They have a really good casting team. They know what we want. And they're giving it to us. - So your question is like, if they're, like depending on who they're casting for Dance with the Stars, if they'll need like a man or a woman pro. - Yeah, well, sort of it, like, you know, Judge Recewa famously was danced with another woman when she was on. - Connick. - Like Connick? - Wow, Breaking Barriers. - Literally. - And then healing the barriots. - Kind of right back. - And now she has a boyfriend. - Yeah, black ceilings and repair. - I had JoJo on my podcast. - JoJo. - So tall. - So tall. - She is, yeah, she's a five-nine. - Didn't see that coming. I thought for sure I'd be taller. - It's a badass. - And JoJo Cewa. - She rocks. But I will say, if you guys are reality people, JoJo was amazing on Dancing with the Stars. I would like to pitch her for the Sweetheart's Dallas Cowboys cheerleader show. She would be incredible in a kick line. - She would be. - She has the experience. - JoJo Cewa doing Thunderstruck. - Wow. - Opportunities missed. - Well, we have a lot to get into. One of the best shows of reality TV is now out. And we are here to let the world know it exists. I keep wanna say Secret Lives. - The Double Lives. - The Double Lives of suburban wives. Not to be confused with the Secret Lives of Mormon wives. - They're not Mormon. - They are not, they're Christian. - They're Christian. - They're Christian, yeah. - Well, it's Mormon's Christian. - Yes. - Yeah. - It's like a sub-crish sub-sect. - I was gonna say Christian light, but it's more like Christian heavy. - Yes, I would say it's extra heavy. - Yeah. - I would say it's a hard version. - Yeah, yeah, it's like the Baja Blast of Christianity, I'd say. It's full sugar with no sugar. - It is, it is incredible. It is, they're from Missouri. - Small town, Missouri. So it's not St. Louis. 'Cause I did click everyone's profile that I could see from the show. - They reference St. Louis. - In St. Louis. - Yeah. - It seems like St. Louis is like the large-- - The largest city in New York, New York. - It's like if you're like-- - It's like this is a weird Florida reference. But it's like saying like Winter Park in Orlando, I guess. I don't know. - So we think they're like outside St. Louis. - It seems like from what-- - It's probably in Mexico. - The shots was it seemed like a little small town, but then they go to St. Louis consistently, probably. - It is a group of ladies who are, are they all moms? Or are they, they're all moms. - I think they prefer to be called Milf's. - The fact that they have the Milf House and the Milf House is the lighter version of what they do. They, I believe, are all Christian, and by Christian, one of them has a father who is a pastor. - Yes, Ally. - Tale is oldest time. - It really is. - It really is. - It is. - It is. - But religion does pretty-- - You either end up gay or on only fans. - Right. If you know a ton of scripture, I bet you also now know Shabari. - What is Shabari? - Shabari is when you like erratically know how to tie somebody up. Sometimes you're boyced in. - Like Sean from Marieta Versailles. Mutual masturbation. - That shit was nuts. - We're bouncing around. Sorry guys. - That's a lot, that's a lot. - Well, I wanna talk about Mutual masturbation. - Please do. - Great. - He just shouldn't have said it like that. - For sure. - It's called eighth grade messing around. - 100%. - And you're just like touching each other's private. - Hanky, panky. Sounds way better. - It's the basics of when you start messing around. You kind of start exploring each other. - Well, handsy. He took the sexiness out of a sex act. He made it like professoratorial. - Yeah. In a way that's kind of like, God, what kind of secret sex club are you part of? - Right. - And it was just like, why do you gotta say it like that? - He is a doctor though. - Yeah, he's a good. - I think so. But not a medical doctor, but he's like too smart. I think he's like a PhD. - So he was getting medical with it. That's why. - Yeah. - It sounded weird. - Is it ever sexy to get medical with it? - No. Imagine I'm like, girl, I'm trying to get in that. - I'm trying to get in that cervix. Sorry. - I just heard cervix and sign fell. And I was like, I don't know which one to respond to. - The sign fell episode where Elaine dates a doctor and he gets really technical and he's explaining like all the things on our tongue. - Oh, yes, yes, yes. - No, he could have tried to be sexy, but instead he was medical. - Anyway, we have the, let's take her lives. There's a couple lives of suburban lives. We're gonna get into that. It is a bunch of moms who are only fan moms, who are also Christians and they are navigating that very complicated world. - They're chasing the new American dream as the way they say it. - Is that how they say it? - Which is being a content. creator, aka having some form of an only fans. - There's so much to unpack in this show. I honestly, I think this show, it's on TLC. - Perfect. - You can watch on HBO Max. This show might single handedly save cable television. I mean, I just don't, if you love reality TV, this was made for you. - This is a slam dunk show. - Slam dunk, like sometimes when you watch a show and it's like the first time you watch, you're like, okay, I don't know. You're like five minutes in and you're just like, this is fucking awesome. I almost edged it because I was like, it's too good and there's only one. - Yeah. - I wanted to watch it again. I mean, there's so many fun nuggets. Also, I saw half of a preview knew I was like, this is exactly what I want, but I didn't realize exactly what it was until the premiere, which is a perfect way to bread crumb, that it's about only fans' adult content creators who are male, so I'm like, that was genius. - And I don't know how I say this, but they, well, when you think of only fan models, you think of porn star. And these are, these are women are just kind of, your middle America moms. - Missouri Mils. - Like, yeah, the Missouri Mils. - Very wonderful looking at just, but just like, you know, they look like moms. - They're not trying to look like Kardashians. - One of the cast members called herself the natural milf. - There you go. - To that point. - And the best possible way where like anyone can do it. - I wonder, do you think that's part of their appeal for their success? - Probably. - Is that they do not look like your stereotypical, how you think of like a porn star type of look. - A painably hot. - Yes. Which is also like, I think in what people are looking for, it's like sometimes you don't necessarily want to watch, like if you're looking for adult content, you're not looking for someone that like, you wanna see something that maybe feels accessible, that might be hotter to you. - Yeah, I think that's also the part of only fans that is a little different than the other type of porn that you see. There's like kind of a connection that you have with these milfs, if you will. I think that's part of it, is that they were like, interacting with their people. - Yeah. - Which is kind of, I don't know, it's exciting. And I will say though, Brianna does reveal, like she like does a shot where she's like, talking about how and then she started doing it, she was a teacher, she was like, I'm a teacher, and then she was kind of ousted, and then she does this kind of work. Underneath that teacher sweater, holy moly, she should absolutely be on holy fans. Holy bazoinghi, bazoinghi. I mean, it was like, I was like, who could ever, I'm like, I don't think she was meant to be a teacher. Two globes is what comes to mind. - But did you subscribe? - Did I subscribe? I didn't subscribe. - No. - But do you know that scene in Dumb and Dumber when he's driving and he falls asleep? And then there's like the two headlights? - Yes. It was like, boy, yeah. - Yeah. - My wife, I paused at that point. My wife was like, what are you watching? And I said, you're gonna wanna actually sit down for the show. - Before we get to that, we have the, Trader's first blood cast in Newblood. - Newblood. - It's the Normie show. Did you watch, are you Trader's fan? - I have seen some Traders. My wife really liked the first one that I think was less celebrity focus. - It was like a hybrid of the Normies and the celebrities. - Yes. - And now we have just the Normies. - Oh, wow. - Yeah. - Oh, is that, do we like that? Is a fun departure? - I think it's exciting. - It's interesting. - I'm curious. I'm curious. I think there's an element of, I've enjoyed the celebrity cast because I always enjoy seeing reality TV characters in a different light. - For sure. - And I think this will be more about the strategy and less about how these people interact. - Which instead of getting their tag lines out, their sound bites, it's more survivery in that sense maybe. - But it seems like they've casted real professionals. - Yeah, it's a really interesting group of people they have. We've got a nurse and astrophysicist, a dog groomer, a barrel racer, a teacher, a physician, a funeral director, a marketing manager, a lawyer, two realtors, a construction manager, personal trainer, another lawyer, a content creator, a therapist, an iron worker, a writer, a pilot, a business executive, a designer, and an MLB analyst. - I don't know why none of those jobs sounded real to me at all. - I know. - I thought that sounded crazy. - It's crazy that like your doctor doesn't sound real, but sitting on a podcast is. (laughs) - Content creator, I wonder if they do only fans. - Ooh. - That would be double lives. - Tie in. - I'm just like who are they gonna make the trader? You know what I mean? Are you making the teacher the trader? Are you making the mortician person, the funeral director? Are you making the real. - I don't think it'll be based solely on their profession. I think obviously it will be. - But who would make the best trader? - The lawyers would make an absolute good trader. - Yeah, assume the lawyers. You don't want it to be the doctor. - A teacher could maybe make a good trader. - You know, there's a lot of questions about, can we trust the science these days? I feel like we need to make sure the doctor is one of the good guys. - We don't want the doctor to be the one who is like, I'm a really good liar. - The nurse, yeah. She should be the one that's like taking care of people. - Yeah, we also need the nurse to be one of the good guys. - Yes. - We can't have the nurse in the doctor being like co-traders and really good at lying. - Yes. - That would be not good for the medical profession. - No, we would not be. - The personal trainer is gonna be the one that takes over the good guys. Here we are, the one that's always like rallying them, but then people get mad at the personal trainer 'cause they have too much power. - I'm thinking the dog rumor might be the trader because they're a cop. - Is there a cop? - I don't see. - I don't see a cop. - Well, it's like you can't put a cop on traders 'cause everyone's gonna be like, well, you're a fucking cop. - Right. - Yeah. - I think you couldn't put like a detect like any sort of person with like investigative necessarily job titles, right? - I guess lawyers, the closest thing that you're like-- - Unless they use that to be like, no, that would be crazy. - What kind of lawyer? - Yeah. - Is it a little bit different? - That's what we don't know. - There's like a tax attorney. - That's a big difference. - Yeah. - Are you writing people's wills and testaments? Are you getting people out of jail? - If you're a divorce attorney, whoo. - Great for traders. - Also, the barrel racer, if I'm doing a physical challenge, I'm on his name. - Barrel racer. - Barrel racer. - What is a barrel racer? - I don't know. I'm the wrong person to be the same. - You race barrels? - No, I don't think it's that. Aren't you just racing horses? Bailey looked us up. I'm the wrong person. - I'm gonna give you a, I think a barrel racer is. I think a barrel racer is one of those guys that stands on a big barrel and then runs on the barrel. And then you see how fast the inside of the barrel goes and that's who wins. And that's what I think is. - It's a rodeo athlete who rides horse at high speeds around three preset barrels and a clover leaf pattern. - By the way, wrong person kind of knew the right definition. - Well, it will be interesting. I'm curious how it will perform compared to the. - Well, all the other traders for the most part are normal people, like outside of the US. So I think the format's gonna work. - No, it'll definitely be watched. I just wonder if it will be more or less popular. - Well, I mean, it's interesting 'cause you'll have that come out after like ultimate girls trip airing because I mean, traders is you get so much of like the iconic house web stuff, but now it's like you have the other stuff. - This is a normal stuff, though. - I know, that's what I'm saying of like, it might perform well. - I will say, I do like that it's all normal people because I feel like mixing the normies with the celebrities. I often felt like that first season. My wife was always upset because like, these reality people, these like famous people are so much more conniving. And then like a normal person just kind of caught in the crossfire, you're like, wait, I'm actually sad. Like I think it's nice that everyone's on the same playing field. - Well, then you get fans and you have the Michael Rappapura, which I would say he was a fan of Porsche that season. And he caused so much mess because he was a fan of like the famous person. - Yeah, but he was also a celebrity. - He was also being Michael Rappapura about it. - That too, yeah. - What time do you and your wife go to bed? - Lately, it's been early. I'm recovering from top surgery. So I'm not on the road right now. So I'm very hot. Thank you. So like, go to sleep at like 10, we watch like our last one. - Do you go to the sleep at the same time? - Yes, of course. Do you and your wifey go to sleep at the same time? - We do, and I'm glad that we both do. 'Cause the new study, that couples with smaller gaps between their bed times may have happier marriages. Going to bed around the same time could be good for your relationship. What do you mean could? Just could be a good, like, I don't know for sure. - We're usually when we have a study, it's usually a little bit more like-- - Dollizer doesn't? - Yeah. It's like we did a study. We surveyed thousands of people, and then we came up with maybe. - It could, could not. - It could not. - It could also write an article in the exact opposite direction, maybe. - I mean, as the, like, I'm single. So like, do you guys feel that like going to bed with your partner at the same time every night is like nice or does it stress you out sometimes? 'Cause I feel like that's something that I get in my head about. - Well, you do have to like your partner. - Oh yeah, obviously. But I like a lot of people. I've been, I've loved people even. I don't necessarily want to be trying to fall asleep, and then someone else is there all the time. - It is something that my wife kind of incorporated. Not like, you know, it wasn't like we need to go to bed at the same time. We just kind of did. And then it was one of those things where I think we really enjoyed it. But now there's definitely an expectation of it. This is what I think is key. Going to bed at the same time kind of sacred. Kind of beautiful. That time where you recap your day. You see the last person you see, the last thing I do is get a smooch from my wife. Go into dreamland. Morning, you're kind of on your own. Because everyone, I don't know how she slept. I can make her a coffee, come back to bed. Like that's more like, let it lie. But nighttime, very sweet. - Well, I don't remember before kids. - That time is gone. - Generally, I was more of a morning person than Natalie. And I do enjoy my alone mornings. Like that's my favorite time of the day. And then when River was bored, I would want Natalie to get more sleep. - That's nice. - So yeah, now it's like, I wake up and she gets some sleep. - Yeah, mornings are on your own, but there is something very sweet about the nighttime. - But yeah, you know, I think it's really important. I think you can grow a distance in your relationship when you go to bed at a different time. - I do. You're on your phone, you know, and maybe you're watching different movies. Like you go to sleep, your partner is playing video games. Can you imagine, like, at this point in your marriage, if you and your wife were watching TV together and then you just got up from the couch and was like, I'm going to bed. I mean, my wife would be like, are we getting a divorce? I don't remember my other relationships, where we like live together if that happened. I think maybe for the most part. I'm trying to remember it. There's a whole, like, you know, I love you. Good night. Yeah, it's kind of like my relationships that I did not end up marrying those women. I was drinking a lot at the time. So we would have different timelines or wait for them and go to sleep, drink a lot more. Now that I'm sober, I think it helps. Please go to bed so I can get fucked up on our couch. Yeah, like this is, I think it's like a, yeah, I don't know, but how old are you? I'm 25. But yeah, if you start going to bed at different times in a relationship, it almost becomes like a secret life. I know. Like what are you doing? I think it's like doing out there. Who stays up on like why? Well, you didn't ask. Mutual masturbation, right? Is it, you know, only fans content creation? All right. Are you sure? Maybe I have a double look. I think I just really resonated with Hannah Montana a lot as a kid and I like the idea of having a secret double life. Like when I would, like when my parents would go to bed and then like that's my me time on my computer. So I do think it's like there's an aspect of like you get your own little like private space to finally do whatever you want. And sometimes I guess in a relationship, I'm like, well, don't take that for me. I think when you're in your 20s, you're a little me time to do whatever is at night. And then when you're in your 30s and above, your little me time is actually in the morning before the rest of the world gets to you or I'm fighting to wake up. I mean, when you get up on the weekend, I'm usually waking up around like 9 a.m. if I don't have anything to do and then I will lay in bed for about two to three hours. What are you doing in there? That's crazy. You scrolling. I'm scrolling. I judge. That's so long. I didn't say it was like a healthy, good thing. I'm saying that's where I'm at right now. I'm up and out like a fucking bullet. I like wake up like a rocket ship. I mean, I'm up at like 730 ish depending on where I'm at in like I two or so like time zone wise or whatever. But I'm up early and then I'm out the door. I want to see the sun on my skin. I go for a run. I want to garden. And then I have like then I can get to the rest of the thing. Yeah. Yeah. When you're up for three hours and it's only 9 a.m. You feel like such a rock stone. I know. And I think I'm moving soon. So I'm like, I'm not in a very walkable area right now. And I'm moving to like a super, super walkable area. And I think that's going to change my like weekend routine where I can like wake up and go for a walk and not like have to walk through like a highway to get to a nice area to walk around to. It's going to change you. You're going to be brand new. You have to wake up and go to sleep before double digits. That's what I always say. Wake up and go. But 9 a.m. Is still single digit. I'm a night owl. Like I love like I'm also on the weekend of no one's talking to me. I'll be awake until like two a.m. Just again. On her phone. Yeah. You know what they say? No good things happen after midnight. Chapel Road would argue differently. Wow. Yeah. Well, of course she is. I mean, I don't know. Everything that happens after midnight. That's a chapel road. That's hot. It's called after midnight. What level of fame do you aspire to be? I don't need anymore. Great answer. Yeah. I think fame is the weird part of wanting to do comedy professionally. Yeah. I don't think comedian should be famous because then they're kind of annoying. Great. Well, Carrie Russell and Matthew Reese, her quote was something like we're not that famous and I love it because they live in a neighborhood with a lot of like, I guess, a list big, big, big movie stars and she's like, I wouldn't, I would hate to have that life and nothing. I mean, not that I'm like that well known, but like I don't want to be more well known. Yeah. You don't want any, you want to be able to live. I just want more money. Yeah. And more freedom. More security. Not be able to like go to Chipotle and just be an army for the most part. Yeah. Like every month, once a month, you can take a picture with someone these days. I have a like core memory of like working for you, which is we went to Chipotle and someone was like, Oh, hey, Nick and then just gave you a fist bump. And I was like, you know, that guy and you're like, wow, that's a nice way to do it though. Oh, I did have a really nice, honestly. I had a nice little meat cute with a Trader Joe's over the weekend. Oh, maybe meat kites the wrong wonder who was it? Who was it? It sounds romantic. But that's the thing. It was just I had me. We've had me kites with your fans at Trader Joe's as well. It was, well, because listen, I'm a community guy and and I, you know, I'm just like generally in my head and a Louvre and and my resting state is not one of, of, of, of whimsy and wonder and enjoy, you know, and I think that has, you know, I'm sure I've interacted with people who knew who I was and I didn't know that they knew that. And then, you know, I probably just had to look on my face and maybe didn't leave the best impression. Like something I always really appreciate my wife is just she's like when, when she knows that like some like I'm very like a Louvre in the world. She's very more observant. She's like, they recognize you, they recognize you, lock it in, you know, be nice. Be nice. I think I'm not nice. It's just more like I have to. Well, you're on the clock. I have to just lock in. Yeah. I don't know how to say it. And I went to Trader Joe's, I get a watermelon, but picking on a watermelon is such it's, it's, it's one of those like, it's really, it's Russian roulette. You never really know, you know, because you can't cut it open and I have a thing. You know, I look right at its BA because I will never cut, I, I, I have a, a phobia of cut fruit. Oh well. I have to cut my own fruit. When you word, like everyone's fingers on it, there's just some, the slimy. It's never fresh, but it's already. Right. Yeah. It's like fruit is my freshness. You know, like I can't, like the people who would like eat an apple, set it aside and finish it 45 minutes later. It's like, are you psycho? Yeah. Like I couldn't. Oh my god. So it is, I just, like I can't eat fruit unless I cut it or I watch it being cut by like someone who I'm related to. Family members only. It's got family members only. One other person. One line. Oh my. DNA evidence has to match. And then when you buy a watermelon, you can't really, it's really like, I hope, you know, it's risky. It's scary. You're really vulnerable out there at the Trader Joe. It really is. Shout out to Trader Joe's because they have the best watermelon and L.A. Also, it's weird because L.A. I don't, California, you think agriculture, I mean, I don't know. I mean, they have a big agriculture. 100 percent. But watermelons in L.A. are not as good as watermelons in the Midwest. That's true. Well, we're all genetically modified out here, even if it says organic either way. I've noticed a distinct difference between the watermelon. Like the watermelon is an L.A. You guys have ever had a watermelon? One out of three are terrible. They're big, but they're not as, they're not as sweet and juicy as they are in the Midwest. They're also spongy. Have you seen that? Or if they've compared watermelons here, you can like, kind of squish the watermelon versus in another state. You can like crunch it. So they've gone that far. Yeah. But anyway, they're, they're like 699 at Trader Joe's. At Gelsons, the watermelons are 69 cents a pound, which Bayon C means they're like 30 bucks. Now, Gelsons, they're also crazy. Yeah. They're expensive. Anyways, it's really affordable at Trader Joe's. I went to Trader Joe's get a watermelon. Not Trader Joe's. And I was knocking him and a mom was with her kids and she was like, any advice for me because I was like, look, like I know what it was doing. And I'm like, well, I am no expert, but you, you know, you got to, you got to listen for the, the, the sound. Yeah. And I'm trying to describe it. Yeah. And a, not a, not a, not a, not a, not a, not a, not a, not a, not a, it has to have a ting to it. Yellowing spots is a good sign. The cracks, the, not the cracks, but like the coloration, like you don't, you want it to not just be fully green. Yeah. Yeah. As an extrader Joe's. No, no, I mean, I'm not, I'm, as I told this person, no expert, I, I have some tips and tricks, but I've picked out some bad watermelons. So I'm knocking on it and she's like any, any tips for me and I'm like, you know, I think you have to, I'm, I'm, I'm sitting there trying to describe the sound, which is like a, a ting on a pillow. You might have to have sound. Yeah. And then she picks one, she picks one up and then she's like knocking on it and then I go and I listen to the, I put my head against her water melon and I'm like, no, that's a bad one. And then she picks up another one and I'm like, no, that's a good one. And then she says, thanks. And then she goes, congratulations on those wins. And it was like, that's the way to do it, by the way, yeah, don't be weird. I'm like, I just took the time and I helped this person pick out a watermelon. She thinks I'm really nice. This is really great. And she already knew exactly who she was watermeloning with, which is her first base at Joe's. I hope. And I don't know. I don't know. If you're out there, if you're listening, I hope you got a good watermelon. I hope you get it. I'm now learning that I'm listening to the round sound. I thought lower. I thought you want the low. No, you want to hire. No, one of my watermelons tastes like shit. Yeah. If it, if it sounds like you can learn and grow and change. Thank God. Yeah. If it sounds like there's, it has almost sound like there's no water in it. Because you want water, no, because that's like you want it kind of dry, because then when you'll cut it, that's what gets you that just like the sweetness, because it is already in there. It's like in the, it's, it's, it's like sat in it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You know, it's a trick is with cantaloupe. No, that's disgusting. It's supposed to smell sweet. The only melon I melon with is a watermelon. Thank you. I think that's pretty valid. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm really lucky to not be famous and the only people that know me are like young lesbians. Yep. That is the biggest blessing in my entire life is just having young lesbians being like, you're so funny. Yeah. But that really is a trick to like have some success, find your niche, have a nice fan base. Yep. But like, it's really not that. Nope. I can do stand up full time and then I have like, young they, thems, you know, fist mumping me at Trader Joe's. That's all I need. I don't need anything else. Like, you still got to be able to go to parent teacher conferences. Yeah. - I do look forward to those. - You're gonna be a PTA Don. - No, no. - Show phase. - I'm just curious what another person's gonna say about my kid. - That's cute. That's very cool. As a, when I was a student, I treated parent teacher conferences like speed dating. I was like, this teacher wants me. This teacher wants me. This teacher wants to-- - Did you get to choose? - And I just did a mall, you know? - Yeah. - It felt very, yeah. I was like, I know what's going on here. Don't forget, "Val files plus." Now offers, "Add free episodes for all." Vival files episodes, including "Ask, Nick." Reality recap and going deeper plus. If you love "Ask, Nick," you will absolutely love our "Ask, Nick" updates, where you get updates of your favorite calls, our "Deep Dive" on all your favorite reality recap TV shows, and our pop culture roundups. Where we talk about all your favorite pop culture topics that we didn't get to in this week's episode. Plus, "Deep Dives" on our "Going Deeper Guest" and so much more, all you have to do is go to "Val files plus" and you will be lucky you did. Who is your favorite celebrity couple that met on set? - It's a day in Tom Holland for me. - Oh, wow. - Oh, that's probably my answer, too. - Yeah, but they don't really embrace their relationship. It's too much like, are they not-- - They do embrace it just privately. - I like that. - They know what they don't press for. - No, I want to-- - Well, they give us crumbs. - Yeah, it's like a kind of annoying, no offense, isn't it? - I ate dinner behind me, LeCune, as a national catcher the other night. And they were in public. They looked very happy with their full family. - That's a great celebrity sighting. - They are very famous, but they're pretty normal. - They're pretty normal. - They were in public acting. She did clock me, though, 'cause I happened to just look and then she did the celebrity look where they are looking for pop rotsies. - You think they're looking for pop rotsies? - I think she thought I might have been just 'cause I happened to look for rotsies. - Yeah, I think those are people who are just really good at being aware of their surroundings. - Right, yeah. - And then I just let the sightings go. - I was running through my favorite couples that met on set. And I think all of them have broken up besides Matthew Rees and Kerry Russell. Am I? - Are you sure? - I was thinking of M.S. Donan and Drew Carfield, specifically. - Oh, that's long. - That was like really, really huge for me as a kid. - I remember for a second there, when the first wicket came out, there was a murmur in the community of Ariana and Sydney. - Ariana and Ethan. - Oh, Cynthia. - The actual one. - But then they kind of played into it, which I think is kind of the annoying part. - Yeah. - Is when you're like very obviously on a press tour and you're like, "Is it? We don't know." - Cynthia, what did you take on queer baiting? 'Cause I think it's fun sometimes. - Oh, I, a Thirillian. As somebody who only wants to see more queerness on my TV screen, I find it thoroughly enjoyable. - I'm pro being gay for pay. - I don't give a shit. - Yeah. - Be gay for whatever. - Free pay? - I think it's fun. - I'm here for it. I know that's not the right take, but I enjoy and also sometimes I think people, they're queer baiting, but I think internally they're seeing what it feels like. You remember what it's like before you came out? I was like, "Somebody dare me to kiss Jessica." - Whatever. - Yeah. - Was I queer baiting that slumber party? No. I was a young lezy and I didn't know. - So give people time. - I've realized I've been, I've been thinking about this and what you were saying about like young lesbians loving you. My, what I have like, I'm not famous at all. I just work here. And so there'll be people online that will like comment on my posts, like thinking I'm an influencer and then realizing I'm not. And then they're like, they'll be like, "How do you have no followers?" That's crazy. And it is, I love all of you deeply. Thank you very much. It's like the nicest sweetest. It's like young moms who just think I'm like funny. And they're like, "You're doing great." - That's so sweet. - And I think this is the level of fame that I'm comfortable with is just like, it's like my sister in law. It's like essentially like a girl who's like my sister in law being like, "You're doing great." Brad and Angelina or Brad and Jen. - Fuck. - Oh, that's a good question. - I find them both powerful. There's kind of a more sinister energy to brand Angelina, I would say, something like-- - Yeah, it's kind and dark. - Yeah, okay, yeah, right, 'cause it has. I don't know, I feel like I have such, I guess, I guess, brand Angelina. Is that wrong? Is that wrong? Am I wrong? - Can we not root for Angelina and Jen? - That's, I'm rooting for that. - I'm not rooting against any of them, but I was more of Brad and Jen. I mean, Mr. and Mrs. Smith. - Mr. and Mrs. Smith. - That's Brad and Angelina. - I guess, I was like, I was-- - That was the end of Brad and Jen. - The poor Brad relationship was like Brad and Angelina. I like Brad and Jen were already done for me. Except for when Brad Pitt was in friends, that was-- - Iconic, thanksgiving episode. - Yeah. - Thanksgiving episode. - But then when Winona Ryder was in friends, iconic. - I kinda feel like Maya Rudolph and Paul and Pete, what are his initials? - Paul Thomas Anderson. - I don't know the boy half of relationships a lot of times. That's a really fun couple to me. Like I would like to see what their nighttime routine looks like. Like are they going to bed at the same time? Are they laughing? They must be. - They must be. - Oh, shut up Maya, my Rudolph. Hot. - Oh, she's hot. - Taunting. - Funny, talented, her, like, and credit. Like also her mother was like mini-repertine. - Yeah. - And like, incredible. (humming) - And then Paul Thomas Anderson got me a punch for a glove. You kidding me? - Yeah. - I didn't even know they were together. That's crazy. - That's a power couple for sure. - Double lives. Let's get back into double lives of suburban lives. - Yes. - It's like I said, it just, it's, yeah, you called it. - I've been saying two months ago I saw that poster and I was like, this is the next show. - It's better than secret lives than normal lives. - It is. - I think it's different. I don't know if it's better. - I think there's like really a bit. - I'm not in a bad way. - In my opinion, it's trying to look a little bit like it. - It is. - Oh my goodness. - It is. - It's a rip off. - It's a rip off. - The picture is well. - All with their fingers crossed behind their back. I mean, it looks just like a lot of the promos that you see. - Here's where I thought it was better because like in the first episode they did one of those like, okay, I'm fighting with another girl and that was the most boring part of the episode. I was like, I don't care. I don't care about the group drama. - I don't care about the group drama. - Same time. - I just, I want to hear more about how you. - Got violence. - Yeah. - Well, it mean you, and then all the husbands are part of it. Do you guys think I went the first couple, you see the guy being like, - The main couple. - The one with the tenets. - Yes. - Or the first one before that. Whatever. - The one that raised the group. - So first, the first person revealing like, and she was like, and you know, I wasn't feeling that confident. And then my husband posted this picture of me and my underpants, faceless. And then he starts being like, and she just had so much confidence. And it went wild. And then I took it from there. I was like, okay, fine. The second couple. Same similar story where the husband is like, I'm the one who took the photo and posted it of her. And by the second time I was like, is that really what happened? Because it feels so convenient that you're like, no, it was my head of my household decided that we were gonna do this. Like, it feels almost like they're split. It's still not full. I'm the head woman making all the money in this relationship. It's still kind of like God, Christian, only fans, only family, only God. I don't know. - Only family, only God, only fans. - Yeah. - Like, it still feels like it's, I don't know, it feels a little too convenient. Do you guys think that's the real story? - Well, Bri was the one that was different too. 'Cause that was Macy, it was the second one you were talking about. Macy was the nip slip that they posted. Tammy was the faceless. - I do believe, I believe-- - The Bri said she started it. - That her husband did it. I don't believe church girl would have done it herself the first time. - I don't know. - But she always hit the power in the relationship. - She's wearing, my favorite thing about her is that she's wearing a wig to hide her identity. - She's blonde, and she's putting on a blonde wig. - She's putting on a nugglier wig. - And then sunglasses? - Yes. - Please, like, as someone that like, my dad's a pastor, and I was convinced that I was going to immaculately conceive because my name's Mary. Like, I, oh wow. I kinda get what's going on in her head. - Yeah. - And it's crazy that she chose a blonde wig. - The best, there's so many best parts to the episode. - It's so good. - Like, apparently, and I assume this is authentic and not just like, producer driven. - Producer driven. But it sounds like when they started filming the show, many of these people's family members did not know that they were only fans creators. - Well, you saw that with Macy specifically, where she sat down, she's a pastor's daughter. - Yeah, no, yeah, she's a family. It's a show about mothers, and then you have the pastor dad, be like, just be like, thinking that, so what he knows is his daughter's on a TV show. - Yep. - About being a mother. - About being a mom. And so he is just like, as any dad or parent would, just like, well, she just has, you know, she got casted because she has such a good heart, and she has such a pure soul, and she loves Jesus. And it was because she was-- - It's like, no, she has, and it was like, and he's saying all these reasons of why she got casted. - Which is true, by the way, that's part of it. - I can't believe it. - And she's live streaming her showers. - She literally said, my two favorite things about my daughter. Number one is her heart. Number two is her real, is, is her relationship with Jesus. I mean, I feel like she before a live stream says a prayer. I mean, she's fucking, it's so intertwined. - That's the double line, is it's all true? - This is my big question. - If you know your Bible, which I don't very well, Mary Magdalen, was a sex worker. - Famously a sex worker. - Yeah, Mary Magdalen famously a sex worker. - And if you are into, like, Christian lore, or conspiracy theories, some would say that he's the wife of Jesus. - Well, she had a cab of Jesus. - I know, I know, I know, I know, we're not, I don't wanna get, I don't wanna get into a relationship. - We're getting into a bit like Dan Brown, Tom Hanks movie territory. - I feel like Christians are a little more chill. - I love that movie. - Catholic, so like Catholics are more like, you know, we coming, we go. - Right, you know. like we can, so yeah, I think your casual Catholic. Most Catholics are casual Catholics. Yeah, most of them don't stay like actively practicing. You know, we have reconciliation. It's such, it's like the greatest religious loophole to go confess, you mean? Yeah, you're just like, yeah, you can never truly leave. Like that's the little point of the Catholic Bible. Sure, I don't know. Yeah. I was raised very religious, but I was not Catholic. I was Veggie Tales Christian. So what was Veggie Tales Christian? Veggie Tales Christian. So like, I would go to like, you know, uh, like camps in the summer where I would like paint people's houses. I would do the mega church thing. Oh, yeah. The Christian music festival. So a lot more like the WWJD bracelets and like the Jesus is my homeboy. Kind of center on different sides of sunglasses. Yes, like that is a Comic Con. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is like. I always wanted to go to one of the churches. It's like, it's like, it's the stuff where like, their hymns are basically just four song pop songs that are created in a lab by like Max Martin. And then you put Jesus in it to like. And they're offering true religion genes. Yes. With the first time I saw like a photo of like Comic Con or Bravo Con, I was like, that looks just like my church. Yeah. Like the big type of pop culture where you like pop Jesus, where you're kind of like evangelizing. But you're also kind of like, Jesus is kind of hot. Yeah, looking. That would have been fun. Yeah. So I always thought like these. But I was also my very, the pureness. Like they talk about it in the middle of middle towards end of this episode where they talk about purity culture that they were kind of raised with the purity rings waiting till marriage. The whole thing, which I also was raised very similarly. And I would say that it almost always backfires. If you're trying to keep Pandora's box closed, eventually you're going to want to eat it and probably. It's a psychological thing, right? If you exoticize it, they want it more. Yes. Like with kids. Or just say off limits and they're like, I want that. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if that's I, yeah, I don't know. I think I was just a horny teenager. Yeah, I was like a rebellious thing. It was not super conservative. Like my like my dad, like Lutheran pastor, pretty like progressive branch of Lutheranism. Like it was chill. The there were like queer people like in the church. It wasn't like the repression that I experienced was incredibly like self-imposed of just like, oh, I'm probably sinning right now. And so I do think there's a lot of aspect, especially like when you're in that family, that's running a church. There's really like no choice that you get out, like to not be part of that family. Like you're kind of employed by the church regardless, or not, at least in my experience. And so there is like, Macy Miss church girl is so interesting to me in the way that it's like she has already played the role of church girl her life. So it almost makes sense that she's doing this only fan thing. Call to church girl. Calling it church girl because it's like, that's the role she's leading in. She's doing what she's been like trained to do. Her entire life, which is serve. That's insane. And then she I can, but by the way, she had the power in her relationship too because he like went back to her religion for her. He went to her church and she was like, oh, yeah, she was like, you're going to be a church. No, I like, yeah, the main girl, she's Tammy, Erica Swings. And that it's so secret lives coded that her husband is giving Dakota. Wow. Not in a problematic way. Not I don't know anything about him. He just kind of like, he just kind of, well, I mean, you saw the preview. You're thinking of someone else then. The breeze, the one that said divorce is not off the table. That's the one that you like her. Yeah, breeze, her clothes. I think is what I said, she's not the main couple. It's she, I mean, they're all main. Tammy is the main is like the mother of the group. She's the ringleader and she also helped kind of usher the younger or the other moms into kind of monitor. I think it's like the madame. Yeah, well, no, but brief became a creator because she saw Erica Swings Tammy's videos. So she's inspired. That is my big question with this group. How in this small community did they find so many only fan moms? I mean, it does sound like it is super common. And I think that they did see, they were inspired by each other. Yeah, I also think women are just underpaid in this community of Missouri. In this community is in particular with how Christian they are. It feels like that their 11th commandment is thou shall not be too poor. And they're like, I guess only fans it is. Million dollars later. Like, well, yeah, what happens when it's like, it's like, it's kind of like, did you like in a small town, you know, when like an MLM kind of started sweeping that small town? I think this is what only fans is to them. It's like, it's the new way to make some money. They call it a new American dream. Yeah, they're all kind of like communing with each other at church and they're like, did you hear she just puts on a wig and showers? And now her husband doesn't have to work. I mean, I think it like, it's also some of them have been in the news. Like, I think they're seeing from each other. Every story specifically to me, I remember when this came out. Like, being an English teacher that then got fired because they found her only fans. I'll be honest, but she wasn't paid enough. Is a father with two young daughters? Yeah, three young daughters. I don't know, sorry, I don't know which one I forgot. He forgot yourself. It's hard because twins. Did you count them as one? Yeah, I guess. If I were to find out that one of my children's teachers run only, there are so many other things that would bother me. Oh, cool, yeah. That wouldn't bother you. I mean, I'm not saying it wouldn't create like a, maybe I need to ask more questions. I'm sorry. I'm not saying I would just like ignore it. I'm not saying I'd be like, woohoo, you know. But I don't think I would immediately be like, she's bad. Runner out of town. I can't run out of town, she can't work here. Yeah, I would have, I'm kind of at the place right now with how things are economically that I assume that every single school teacher is also on only fans. Yeah. The only thing I really care about my children's teachers is like, are you teach them, educate them, don't indoctrinate them. I don't want you to like, I don't care what you're doing. Do whatever you do at home, do it. The fuck at home and teach my kid math. And you know, that's all I care about. Which is what she was doing, which was what she was doing by the way. So that's the crazy part is what she was doing. Yeah, she was not like, she was being a teacher. She wasn't like, you know, introducing lingerie to her, you know. Yeah, yeah. The only fans thing to teach her thing is so weird because I understand I guess like where the taboo is. But also like, your teachers are fucking regardless. For sure. Like, I also just, I don't know. I really like, I love the beginning of new reality shows. Getting and on the ground level where I'm watching the show, I can find these women on Instagram. They've got about 6,000 followers. I'm like, yeah, they're not, they're not famous. They act like that on the show. You can tell. I mean, I mean. If I'm famous, true. We had 40,000 followers or what was it? Yeah, it's famous on a different level. Well, but it's like small, but then there's like small town fame as well. Yeah, but yeah, like her fame isn't read by answer. Well, we told you that secret lives of Mormon wives were going to pop off. And we're here to tell you that I keep wanting to say secret lives. Double lives of suburban wives is going to pop. It's so good. I want to know if you love reality TV. If you love secret lives of Mormon wives, there's so much there. So good. And then like, I'm watching the first episode. And I'm like, I need, I need one of the husbands to like join in. You know, like I to start and they do fill up. Yeah, fill up. I like that he's kind of like, and they're bonding. Yeah, I guess. Small, according to the trailer, maybe not. Maybe, you know, well, then, you know, you're an idea with the negative effects of fame and attention and money. He said he was jealous of her fans at first. Like, that's fascinating. He said that. I think right. And then he started an Oling fans, right? Wasn't that the storyline? Which is it? I think there's also a lot of, I think, because like, I think people assume only fans think like hardcore porn. But I think there's a spectrum. Yeah, for sure. Like, you could not do, like, I think there's some who don't do like any news. They're just like, started out as a subscription and just became the popular, like go to for. That's how everything has started. porn is basically the launching pad of every successful business. Everything either starts as porn or turns it into porn. Snapchat started as porn. Yeah. You know, the cycle of life is it all kind of because of this profession of the world? Yeah. I really liked because I think you're right. I think there's a spectrum of what people are using only fans for. And it's not all, you know, like, fucking on camera. There's like a spectrum. But when they cut to that husband, like, meat packing all of her panties. I was like, this, I could stay in this scene for an hour. I'm like, tell me exactly what the fuck you guys are up to. When she was like, once I send my kids to school, it stripped T's hour. I'm like, this is so the show is exactly what we want. I was honestly the only hard part, I would think the kid part. Is that they all have kids, right? Well, it's just like, yeah, I would do a lot of questions. Yeah, that's a tough conversation. Is it tougher to tell your parents or your kids? Your kids. Your kids. Because of the taboo with society. I think it would just be tough telling your kids because that it's like, I guess, I guess I would feel like I would be more okay making my parents uncomfortable than making my kids uncomfortable. Because it's like, as a parent, is it like, you want to keep your kids comfortable, so there would be guilt there. But then it's like, your parents are supposed, you know what I mean? There's no thing like kids are, it's stereotypically kids are the ones that are more likely to come out versus like the parents, right? Stereotypically. And these women on the show are using the term coming out here. Which is really interesting. It's very interesting. It's what it's like coming out. They mean coming out as only fans creators. Right, honestly. Because some of them are incognito. Right, in wigs that are the same colors. These like mega church people being like I'm coming out but I You know, I don't know. I'm curious how three of you have all had to come at some point. Is that an offensive to you that they've kind of co-opted that term or-- - I think it's accurate to like the taboo they're facing. - But yeah, 'cause they're saying, like the preference. 'Cause it's all about the pressure, right? It's all about your community and what the fear of we ostracize and being churned on. - Religion specifically, yeah. - It took porn for straight people that were late to gay people. - Can you believe? - I know. They're like, "Wait, this is kinda hot." - They're like, "Wait, I'm feeling shame." - Wait. - Huh, but I did do a deep dive on, yeah. - Okay, Brianna, whatever, the Globes, fine. Sue me again. - I did some research too. - Okay, thank God. - So we're both on the same day. - We all did a deep dive. - Did you do a deep dive? - I did not, no. - I did dive. - I might have looked at the husband's too, but-- - I might have looked at Instagrams and some-- - I'm deep diving, yeah. - You did. - You did? - I wanna produce it. - Are all the husband's participating now? - No, I mean, I didn't do it look that closely. I was, she just said Philip had one and I was like, "Well, I wanna see but you looked for the Globes." I was like, "I just wanna see you look." I found it interesting that most of them do also girl-on-girl content. - That's something to do. - So I'm also like, I'm very interested to see how this is gonna play out. If that is a part of something that they're identity wise or if it is like a gate for pay situation, but even that reconciling with how religious these women are is gonna have to be a talked about. And I found a video of Brianna making out with a girl on her Instagram, but they were fake making out. And I find that also deeply-- - Fake making out. - They were angled so that the baseball cap was covered. - I saw that and I didn't click on that. - Yeah, I clicked right on it. They knew exactly what I was doing there. - Yeah, the sexuality aspect of it is like so interesting. - Fascinating. As far as sex workers go, there is a very different relationship with some people that you have some heterosexual women that will actively, when they're working, they're working and they will have sex with women, right? And that's their job. - And also men who do only fans will also-- - So have sex with men. - Yes, yeah. - And they're like, are straight. - Mm-hmm. - Or you have like non-binary people. Obviously, like it's a whole thing and it's like you're doing your job, fluidity. And so there's this aspect of like with only fans and the separation of kind of church and state of like this separation of like fluidity as its own thing, but not necessarily their sexuality. - Also when you're that Christian too, there's so many weirds. - Does this work? - I think yes. - No, it's a separate, I think they're separating truly church and state. Like church and their religion and their relationship to God is like this very pure thing and they're still pure, right? They are still pure. Their job is a job. And I wonder if that's where the compartment - That's where they have like the separate room in the basement or whatever in the garage. - It's separate. - My name is different. - I live this thing now. - The Millthouse. - The Millthouse. - You have macy being church girl. So she's still leaning into it. So she's not able to completely separate it and that's why she has a separate identity with them. - I think also there's something very interesting about people like that are this level of like traditional Christian values people that will use weird little loopholes where they'll be like, well, if it's with the girl it doesn't really count. - Exactly. - And then they double down on doing gay shit. And they're like, well that's, Leviticus was actually a man and a man. During me and like you've seen it's so, I could deep dive forever, right? - I could say if they think they don't enjoy it, it's innocent. - Right, exactly. - Interesting. - Fascinating. - It's really, oh, I mean, it's like, and you see even in normal life with like queer, with like outwardly heterosexual people that have like obviously a little bit of on the Kinsey scale that like when you're a gay person, the way they'll interact with you, you'll like make out with a girl and she'll be like now. - Right. - And you're like, interesting. - I wanna see also how, what is the relationship with Megan or Meg with Brianna? 'Cause at the end, like, what was that also like, what did she do? - Like, they make it seem like she didn't on her husband or something. It's giving up. - Oh. - I don't know. - I mean, I don't know if she did, but they're, you know, I can't say, you know, it's like-- - I'm sure we'll find out. - Yeah. - Just the real-- - At least interesting part of the entire episode. - Oh, I didn't think so. I'm like, you guys are both teachers and like best friends and now you're not talking. - They're good at breadcrumbing it, but it is, it's crazy that the Mormon Housewives show starts with this like swinging scandal. And it's like, this show was like, did you like that? We're gonna do it the whole time. - Yeah. - Thank God. - This is just the sex stuff. - Yes. - It's gonna sound like cable television. It's on TLC. There's one episode out now. - I think it's every Sunday. - Yeah. Guys, lock in. - Oh my god. - So if you're a streamer and you should go max. - Go to church. - Then. - Of course. - Go to church. - Oh, church in the morning. - Church, go out now. - Double lives, dual lives at night. - Mm-hmm. - Beautiful. - It is perfect. - It's really amazing. How are you enjoying Meredith her site? - I mean, it's, it's a lot to watch. I like to watch it with my wife because it's so fun to judge other couples who are just like trying to do an arranged marriage out of nowhere. But I think it's an interesting season. I think that these two, what Sean was it? I think they're faking that they're getting along. - Oh, Sean and Nikki. - Sean and Nikki. I think that they hate each other. And then by the last episode, they're like, what if we just pretend we liked each other? - There's no way there's still, I think what if there's still together? - I would be so scared. There's no way that there's still together. Are you liking the season? - Yeah, it's really enjoyable. I mean, it's the first time I really got into Meredith first site. So I'm popping my cherry. - A lot of people love the season. - I think the Jetski guy is tough. - Mm-hmm. - Well, the fact that he's known as the Jetski guy is really all you need to know. - Piano Jetski guy. - It's tough. - Oh, that, the, the Ross Geller moment in the first episode. He's like, I'll play one more. No one's asking for it. - Oh, many opens up in therapy. And he's like, my parents forced me. And I'm like, well, you are doing it at every moment that there's a piano. - Well, you don't know if producers asked him to do that. - For sure. And if you have a talent and you work really hard on it, you want to. - I don't know. I like play guitar and the last thing I ever would want to do is be at a party and be like, hey guys. Like that would make me want to leave. - Right. It's actually crippling to be so self-aware sometimes. He must live in a world where he's like, I do rock. - What's that like? - Right. - Yes, I'm sure. - It does rock. (laughing) - Yeah. - No, but like self-awareness is a crippling disease sometimes. - Yeah, for sure. - Sometimes you just have to like, go back to your old ways. - Also like this season, there used to be a, one of the people that set them up. There used to be a woman named Dr. Pepper Schwartz. - On a name. - Fun name. And that she's just gone. And I do think that the way that they're running this season is like less and less ethical than the other ones. I think that they're really trying to just get these people on a group dinner tearing each other apart. And it's interesting to, I mean, I love it. I'm a freak, but it's a lot. It's a lot of group dinners. - A lot of group dinners. What did you guys think about what's his name with the, the rugby guy? - Oh, Devon and Caitlin. - Oh, yeah, Devon and Caitlin. Devon being frustrated with her that he felt like she's, they're on married at first sight and he's mad that she's affectionate with him on camera. Kind of. - Devon is one of the most sensitive people on the show. - Yeah. - I think his feelings were hurt from the honeymoon when he saw her wake up and go to the gym without him. I think he's been mad ever since. - Yeah. - And just pouting. And like she thinks things are okay, but he's actually still just mad. Also, it made me rethink my haircut in earnest. - It is. - I look like Devon now. - You do. - Yeah. - Fuck, it's too short. - You look like Devon. - I think if anything, Devon is like, Devon is encroaching on, you know, butch fashion, which thank you. Yeah, I think men be careful. - Did Lesbian's bring them all it back? - Yes. - Yes. - You did. - Yes. - Sorry. - Yeah. Well, it's worth it. - I mean to co-opt. - Thank you. - Yeah. - Yeah, fucking Devon with this. Yeah, I think he's got to let it grow long. But he is, I think he's very needy. He's very sensitive. - He does seem very needy and sensitive. And then she's just, what's her name? - Caitlin. - Caitlin. Yes. Caitlin is just, it seems like she's doing her best. - I feel bad for Caitlin. - I feel really bad for her. - Yeah, me too. She's trying and yeah, he's just like every, he has an issue with every single thing that she's doing. And it's like not enough. - You guys know the basketball coach and that like other cute girl. - Cameron and Michelle. - What is Adam? So they're like, one's in Portland, one's in Seattle. There have been a couple of times where they're kind of talking to each other and I'm literally crying 'cause I think that they're very like sweet and belong together and have found love. I'm like, that's powerful to me. Oh my God, even him being like, you know, I mean, if I think about success, the whole like, I don't know if I, like what it would be like if I didn't have somebody to come home to. And I was like, - They're the only couple that seems to understand what it takes to make a relationship work, which is to put your partner before you. - This is an issue with a lot of dating reality TV shows is that single people are on them and they act like single people. - And they're always, what about me? - Right. - They're always very good at centering about like why they feel insecure about what their partner's doing as opposed to being like hmm, that's interesting. I made you feel that way. I wonder how, let me think about that and what do I need to do to help you make, make you feel more grounded and secure. And they're the only couple that's doing that. - Said like a true married man, you know the vibe. - Yeah, I guess. - Yeah. - Yeah, well, the guy who works at the restaurant is falling apart at the seams. His hairline is actively receding. He is not doing well. He's getting sweatier and sweatier every episode just wanting to fuck other women. It's scaring me to watch. - That's just weird. - I just, why would you go on Marietta for a second? - Why would you say that out loud? On TV in front of people or in front of your wife? - Fork. - Is there, there's just no other way to, for that to come across as like objectifying. - It's bad. He wants to have sex with a lot of women. - It's just weird. - It is weird. - I mean, like, I know as a guy, you're a, you know, but it's like at some point having not had enough sex. - I've never felt that. I mean, I'm not a man, but I've never felt that way. I've never been like damn, I wish. I missed like, you know, that's my catholic guilt because eventually when your number gets to it, you're to think Like that's good. You're like threes plenty yuck Feel like his isn't even about which scares me. It's not even about like he likes to fuck. It's about like how many women Can I get to have sex with me? Yeah, I can very notch on the boat. Yes. Yeah, yeah, and it's also just like gives that he doesn't necessarily view relationship. He views relationships with women as transactional. And that is a red flag, you know, it also scares me that he doesn't know What's wrong with what he's saying exactly? He's like working through it in real time and like that's weird to watch on TV, mm-hmm Well, it sounds like maybe it's a product of his upbringing, you know Yeah, like dad. I think dad might be a bad role model. I wonder. Yeah, ultimate girl strip. Oh my god 20th anniversary When I saw this is a game. This is Avengers and games for mothers and their gay sons. I mean, I've been talking about ultimate girl strips since it's Inception and since you have really been you have been talking about it since you got canceled specifically because ultimate girl's trip The Foucai season. Highland was like phenomenal amazing Because you're taking all of the juggernauts of all the shows and mixing them together, which that's why this one's even better Yeah, because you're getting like all of the housewives as they're traveling from city to city And if you've only popped in and out, which is me of a viewer of how so I've seen some not at all They're showing you enough of their clips back in time that you are getting the full experience This one specifically. Yeah, because they want to like rapid fire or like season one season two of like all these people I mean, I mean, yeah, Neenie being back is like monument My absolute favorite part is when Theresa was like this Orange County ruins me a lot of New Jersey. And then Vicki goes does it? Like the way she took so much offense To the comparison between New Jersey one Vicki really doesn't like Theresa for some reason like even Theresa on the boat when like Vicki was like yelling about do your taxes follow your taxes and Theresa goes Well anyways, I'm just ignore that. I'm not gonna even address that. Was that a direct dig at Theresa though? Yes, of course it was because she went to she was talking about why she like her most monumental time or whatever Like learning from housewise. And then you also I mean Vicki just coming and Handing everyone a life insurance policy is just every second that I am my my nervous system is about to be regulated from Vicki She screams again like just right But everything Vicki is performing, which is why I love Vicki so much. She's on she disarms you It's because you're like you're mad and then she says something Character. Yeah, no, I think that's her. Yeah. Yeah, which makes it amazing. I think Luan is so hot She's always been I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's like powerful that like deep the countess I mean she's aged very well and I only say that because I was reminded she's like oh, I started in I don't know what year But it was in 2014 where she tried to seduce me in Chicago Well, I didn't know she said that's the thing that I love about her is every time just any man walks by her She's like looking them down even like in this episode. She's looking at those men. I love that she's a man eater I love that's her like part of her identity is just like But she has not aged since 2014. I didn't know who she was before 2014 So that's my baseline, but she does look the same. She's always the hot and still is hot. She's always been the countess She could do whatever the fuck she wants to me. Feelin joe vani God bless her also jazal. I think is one of the hottest. She's yeah I think it's okay, but jazal specific for sure. For sure too. For sure For sure swimming in that lady pond. I should lady pond right that's also somebody who's kind of in and out It was so cool to start on you're caught up immediately and now we know okay Portia's new to like this queer vibe and we're all just gonna talk about it when they reference her short nails Oh, the no nails they cut to her to camera being like if you know, you know, I'm like we're having fun You would like this party. It's a lot. I'm gonna have to go. It's not supposed to be super serious in drama It's just and I think you get a lighter Lisa Barlow. Yes, you do Yeah, she's in her cook yet, but no, but like when when you have Lisa Barlow defending Shannon for Tamer like Tamer like we had Shannon on the show on Tuesday and she in Shannon text me Did you watch ultimate girls trip yet did you see Tamer come after me? I'm like, I'm watching it It wasn't as bad as I thought I was gonna be able to say it was just Tamer doing the thing Yes, but what do I am saying those we've known it's like you forgot what show you're on Tamer on this is ultimate girls Trip this is an orange. No, but we've it's supposed to be light right for the most part. Yes, there is drama But we've known we've known that the quiet woman something happens between Shannon and Tamer and like the headlines made it seem so much more serious than like and it was wrong, but then like Tamer calling her drunk. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it's just like I thought there was a physical throwdown or something Yeah, I think well from what it seems like was just that production was mad that they started doing orange County shit on ultimate girls trip and they're like we literally told you not to do this. No Like it seemed like versus, but then also what they were doing is just like Tamer like why it was just unnecessary It was a if we're talking about housewives as like sports and stuff flagrim foul Like Tamer read the room bring that in subtly when Vicki sat down with Tamera and was getting so animated that she then had to rip her wig off This is very like if RuPaul drag race was like pump full of Botox and evaded taxes. Yes, this is incredible Yes, oh my god Shannon walking into with her like cigarette and her a's like punk look I was like let's give me how many episodes are there? I'm not entirely sure but ultimate girlship is always like shorter Yeah, and they used to air it where they would drop like four episodes at once and then weekly But I think this one's finally weekly. I'm sick of one show one at a time I need more of these suburban wives. I need more like One at a time is not going to do it. Yeah, but I do it. I mean it's a show who covers these shows. It is a lot easier when they Yeah, it easier for your workflow. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely way easier for our workflow Yeah, oh my god daily did you watch all of it every single one? I miss all I've watched everything I miss all I miss her I think so what's wrong with me? Jesus, I thought she was a really I was a big fan around the show, but since post show she seems a little messy. I haven't followed post as she getting cringed online She's always on a live saying something about something. She's a sock. She's just like not letting her choose. She's just not letting you go It would have been cool if she just didn't even talk about it and would just like so here I am with Michael B Jordan or whatever This has been so much fun Rachel again. I have the best time. Thank you for having me. I'd love to. I love talk. I mean Just let us know what you're watching and you just pop on in. Oh, yeah. Thanks. Appreciate it This is for people find you. I'm at Rachel Scanlan comedy That's all my handles and my podcast is two digs in a mic and I'm gonna be on tour all fall You can go to Rachel Scanlan comedy.com for tickets a lot of the shows are selling out. So you're gonna want to hurry that up All right up next we have Nina from Dancing with the Stars next pro will get an update on how things are going with that season And we'll maybe need a one. Maybe she didn't we'll find out next Nina welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me. I'm super super excited Very excited to have you first all just congratulations on it You know the show and you making it this far. It's been really fun to watch How did you become the dancer that you are and is I guess Are you shocked to be this close to being a pro on Dancing with the Stars or is it something like I always knew I would be here No, absolutely not. It's not like an I always knew I would be here It's just a matter of time thing you literally said it I got goosebumps like it's very very natural honest reaction My mom was actually a dancer So my mom actually did ten dance, which is when you do standard and Latin So that was also back in Ukraine So she basically stopped dancing like when she had me she also was on like a Probably like Ukrainian folk dance like team and everything like that kind of as much as I know But she was always like a standard baby. I was always a Latin baby And I didn't really take my mom's advice and follow like Both paths, which is like the traditional European way is like you do both You do both styles and then like when you get maybe like to eighteen years old or something like that You kind of pick what you want to follow But I definitely got into the arts because of my mom So she was a dancer she put me into ballroom dance like Basically, I started actually ballroom dancing when I moved to the States So I wasn't doing it when I was still in Ukraine. I was started dancing a little bit like little baby ballet and stuff like that But yeah, thanks mom I know like obviously we know like Utah and Salt Lake City is really like has a really big ballroom culture My daughters they're young, but if they if they're like I want to dance some is there certain cities you want to be in or you can you find A prominent dance studio and any like major city in America or do you have to live live in certain places? I mean, it's definitely bigger and different areas like the tri-state area has Luckily become really big for it. I mean before Philly was never actually even on the map So a very proud staple moment for us also having a studio here and kind of Missing that feeling that you get in like New York and New Jersey like New York is a huge mecca New Jersey is a huge mecca for really amazing Schools and really amazing coaches and talent and Philly kind of never had that But now Philly there's like we have some heavy hitters here in Philadelphia and it's like it's a really proud and shining moment honestly So there are definitely places that you would like to be if you are trying to pursue like especially competitive dance But yeah, I mean I would love for there to be Locations all over America that people could like learn from properly. That would be great getting to the show You had a you had a big week Prior to the most recent episode you weren't scoring in the top half but you had a really great, you know Moment with AJ. So how did that make you feel and like we're I guess leading up to that? Was the pressure on for you or were you kind of getting worried about you know moving forward and I guess this what did this moment? I mean, for you to have such a big win. - Yeah, the pressure was on every week. - Okay. - I mean, every single week that I would sit back in that chair after eliminations, I'd be like, "Hen, we're back." Like we survived another week, like here we are. But yeah, I mean, it was a lot. I don't wanna say that it was just a lot for me. It was a lot for everyone. I think everybody had their own time frame in when they, I don't wanna say broke down, but when they became vulnerable and when they had those moments of weakness or power or like I think everybody was on their own journey. As a whole, you're seeing the show as dancing with the stars the next pro. You're seeing 90 seconds of each of us here and there. You're not seeing like our own personal journey throughout the entire thing. So yeah, I mean, it was a lot. It was emotionally tough. It was psychologically tough. Obviously, energy levels are all over the place 'cause you're in the studio nonstop and you're performing and you're passionate about what you do. So it was as a whole, it was super overwhelming, but I wanna say it was super overwhelming in the most beautiful way because I learned so much about myself through the entire process from the good, the bad and the ugly to these moments that you're seeing right now, like with AJ. I think when I had that moment with AJ, I almost felt like, I mean, the simplest way to put it is like I kinda, I felt like I was enough, finally. Which is crazy because the thing is with AJ, he reminds me so much of like what I'm comfortable with which is like that super, super, like, this is what you do on this timing, like the super overly controlled, like masculine side of the dance industry, which is honestly very typical. It's very big in our community where it's like the guy is the leader, the girl is the follower and like this is how it is. So to have him be vulnerable like that and to, I don't wanna say break down, but more open up and show that vulnerability and also have a value in a trust and a faith in me and what I could do. Like there was a certain fire in his eyes when he turned around and he didn't get picked by Selena, he turned around like with no hesitation. He's like, we're doing this. Like it was really, it was an amazing partnership 'cause it could have been something that turned into, you know, he does it all and I listen and you know, kind of that traditional sense. But when he said that he was learning from me. - Exactly, he said he learned so much from you. I'm curious, what's the best compliment you can receive from up here? - That, like, that I'm learning from you or I'm finding like, you know, you're opening up my eyes to something like, especially to somebody accomplished like himself. Like, I mean, he was a black bull champion. He's done strictly, he's done so much in his career that I have so much respect for. So the fact that he's telling me that he learned something from me and I opened up his eyes to something that was just like, I mean, yeah, I got emotional. Like instantly, I was like, you're lying. Like, don't just say it to say it. - I imagine that gave you a lot of confidence going into teaching amateur week. You know what, teaching amateur week it felt like a breath of fresh air for me. I think something that I was struggling through the competition, obviously finding that balance of communication with certain people. Like, certain people I could communicate with super easily. It was very familiar territory. Other people, obviously, I rubbed the wrong way. And again, I never criticize anybody for feeling any kind of way. You kind of just have to take a little bit of accountability. Take a step back, like, I know I'm not a bad person. Like, I'm not a negative person. I don't mean to hurt or harm anyone or make somebody feel, you know, not valued. So like, all you can do is really kind of just take a little accountability in that sense and try to be more aware of things that happen. So I mean, overall, going and teaching and amateur, that is my wheelhouse. Like, hi, that is what I do each and every day. You know, I work in a studio, worked at two different studios, managing them both. Like, I am the physical therapist, I'm the mental therapist, I'm the stylist, I'm the coach, I'm like, all over the place for all of these kids and adults. So it felt really nice feeling like I was giving something to somebody else again. - It's awesome. - That was like so special to me because I'm like, oh, like, it's your first steps. - I'm assuming you're referring to Selena and Benji when you were talking about kind of those tougher conversations earlier in the show. - Yeah, I mean, of course. I mean, it was, listen, it's right there for everybody to see, but then again, with that being said, we're talking 90 seconds of hours of rehearsal. We're talking 90 seconds of a conversation that lasted longer and also went outside of the cameras. Like, yeah, there's, of course, there's things to take. - Can you shed some light on what we maybe did and could see in those conversations and like, what was your point of view and just like, how did you receive it? And I guess like as the dust settled, how did you feel about the entire of that conversation? - I mean, I guess I have to take them one by one in that sense. I mean, with the situation with Benji, it, like I felt really bad that he felt that way, but it was also a complete, it was the first time we were working with partners, completely new experience. Like, the person I've been dancing with in my dance career as of late has been the person that I have a studio with and the person that has been in a relationship with myself on a personal level. So, I'm so used to somebody guiding. And like I said, same thing with AJ, I was like, used to a working relationship that was similar to this and the very direct terminology. So when I was working with Benji, you know, he was so happy. He was so like happy, go lucky in the studio. And I guess I didn't notice that I went very business mode and I went very like, okay, we don't have a lot of time. Like, we got to get everything figured out. And the fact, I think the biggest thing I can take away from it is I didn't realize how joyful dance can be again, because usually when you're in a competitive environment, it's like, okay, what's the task? And we have to get it done and boom, let's go. But at the same time, I don't know somebody's feeling a certain type of way if things are being said to a camera, but not to me. You know, so it did take me a little bit a back when the whole house knew something that I didn't know. I'm really glad that he talked about it. I'm really glad that it came out. Like, you know, he did come up and talk to me about it and be like, I'm so sorry that that happened in front of everyone and that was also like an off camera moment. Like listen, it's meant to happen the way it's gonna happen. And, you know, I'm really sorry I made you feel that way. Like I would never want to make somebody feel with that way because I've felt that way. You know, so it was, again, I tried to be a little bit more aware moving into the next week. But again, you're seeing 90 seconds of like a three and a half hour long rehearsal. But when I raised my hand when Selena was talking, I was like, yeah, I figured it was me. I felt her being overwhelmed. Again, it was Brit's choreo was nuts. I was overwhelmed, like it was crazy. And, you know, there was Paso in it and Tango and it was a lot of moving parts. And I remember being kind of in a little bit of like a back of the line up with Selena when we were learning the initial parts of everything and Natalie and Steph and Adele were kind of more in the front. And I remember thinking my head, like he'd be so careful how you speak to people because you don't want anybody to like be rubbed the wrong way. Again, everybody's stressed out. Any little thing could set somebody off. And I remember her being overwhelmed. And I remember the moment that we were talking about it had something to do with arms. And I was questioning. I was like, listen, but this isn't usually possible. Are you sure we're supposed to put the arms out? It's not here. I'm like, let's call one of the guys over. Let's see how they're doing it. It's supposed to be a group thing. When I look back at it, that was probably one of the only moments that she felt comfortable to speak up 'cause she was like, no, the arms are like this. And I kind of re-questioned it. I was like, well, like, are you sure? Like, you know, not in an animosity type of way. Like, honestly, like more in a, let's talk about it. But when I look back at it, like maybe that was the first time she felt comfortable and kind of felt down by me. So when she started to say that in the house, I'm like, I figure it's me. Like, I saw it coming. I really, really did. But again, it wasn't from any kind of malicious standpoint or anything. But-- - Yeah, imagine there's a lot of type A strong personalities, you know, a lot of dancers, a lot of conviction for what they learned over the years. And so much of this is trying to balance confidently speaking about what you believe in versus like giving someone the space to kind of share their opinions or expertise. It's a fascinating kind of interpersonal relationship when it comes to the dancing community. - Yeah. And I mean, I talked to Selena post-fact like one other time when we had that same show day for the group rehearsals. We were changing at the same time. And I'm like, listen, I'm really sorry. If I made you feel any kind of way, I'm like, I just want to make sure that everything's actually okay. And she's like, oh, it's fine. And we started kind of talking about something else. But, you know, it's, you have to take accountability weather. I believe that I did something wrong or not or I could always take the route of going, well, you shouldn't feel like that. But that's not the case. Like, you can't control the way that you made somebody feel but you can control your reaction to it. So that was like a really big moment for me as well. I'm like, listen, guys, I did come in saying, I'm gonna be a whole lot of this in this house. Like, you're gonna get sick of me actually. The conversation that we had with Benji opening up, that started by me kind of opening up and saying, hey, guys, I'm already starting to feel like I'm rubbing people the wrong way. If that's the case, please let me know. Like, I have a book upstairs, I'll go read it. Like, it's okay. Like, I told you guys, like, but just, like, let me know. Just tell me. 'Cause my friends in, like, in Philly, like, in New York and the Tri-State area, like, we're very direct. Like, we're very, like, both. - Sure. - Like, you're being annoying shut up. - Oh, okay. - All right, cool. Sounds good. Like, again, there's a limit to everything. You're probably different than you tell vibes, yeah. - Yeah, I think so. I think so. - The show obviously is sent around dancing and that is the focal point. But, you know, it is show business, right? And often, when it comes to dancing with the stars, they will lean into storylines. Like, you know, when they're casting and pairing, you know, stars with professionals, you know, if there's someone who's like famously single, they will, like, maybe pair someone who also might be single and available. [BLANK_AUDIO] I'm curious like when it comes to that aspect of it, how much, I guess, focus and attention you put on it because I imagine like, again, it's a performance, right? And you wanna have audience engagement. I don't know your status or relationship life or anything like that, but has that ever been hard to navigate when you're dancing with another pro and maybe you're dating and you have a partner? How much of that is part of the performance or is that something that's more manufactured by the audience? - I think if you're just trying to give the audience what they want, I think your performance will be artificial. - Okay. - I think you need to be true to what you wanna create, right? Like you have to, and I'm a really big storyline person. Like that is kind of my whole thing. Like I love knowing like, okay, you're putting your arm up but why are you putting your arm up? Like what's the reason behind it? What are you trying to say with it? So that is personally like one of my favorite things about dance, is that expression? But I mean, for me, I'm so used to switching things up inside of the studio. Like so I have like my people. So I've danced with other people, but again, I'm so used to working with those people 'cause I know their personalities. They work within the same four walls as me. I see them like every other day or every day. So it's interesting. Two have to build chemistry with somebody so quickly. Like, you know, obviously Veggie and I had our miscommunications and things like that, but we both really still tried to connect together. Maybe it didn't come in through the screen because of everything that was going on. But, you know, we really put our heart and soul behind that performance, regardless of how it maybe looked through the camera lens, but it is hard to do it in like a really short amount of time. But I think showbiz is showbiz. You know, like you look at an actor and actress and they have to do like a make out scene with someone or whatever, like it's part of your job. Like I think you just have to have a really big internal understanding of what you're trying to portray or what character you are. Like I will do this exercise with my own students where I'm like, okay, here's your number, here's your performance. I'm like, but I want you to give your character a name, give them an age, occupation. What are their personality traits? I'm like, you need to be able to walk out on that floor and play that role and that character. So I think it's a really big mental thing. And I'm a really psychological person. - I imagine you fantasized about the possibility of winning this competition and if you do, obviously you will be a pro on dancing with the stars. Do you have like a few dream people? Like, oh my God, that would be so cool. If they were on dance with the stars and I got partnered with them. - Of course, of course, of course. I have my little dream list kind of goes all across the board to just kind of cover all angles a little bit. We can start with the totally wild card of Eminem. I'm like, I think that would be insane. That would be insane, just because I think he's such an amazing artist that I would see. I'd like, I'd love to see him pushed out of his comfort. So I would love to see that. Henry Cavill would be another one. And then my biggest like a plus plus like give me that man to dance with would be Austin Butler. Like if you can't have Elvis, especially for seeing his Elvis performance, I want to see Austin Butler in the ballroom. Like, and I'm such a big Elvis fan overall. So that would be cool to see him do it, Jive. - Do you have any favorite potential reality TV stars? Since often they are casting like a reality TV star too. We would love Eminem and Austin Butler. But I wonder if maybe they're not available for next season. - I think they had one of the best ones already on there, which Eric Jalsey was a very, he was a very cool get. I found that really interesting. And I think he gained an appreciation for dance. Like that's what I loved about him. And I loved that about Dylan too, because I feel like they gained these two guys that are like, you know, these two attractive men, like, you know, whatever, to fool for everything. Yeah, exactly. They kind of have almost similar personality traits in that sense, right? But to see the both of them like, really gain an appreciation for dance. Like, I think that is so important, 'cause there's not as many guys that dance as there are girls like in our entire industry. So I think seeing guys like that, men like that, actually go and dance and not be like, oh, this is for girls like, you know, like you get. 'Cause there's a lot of boys that, when they're in like elementary school or high school, if they're dancing, a lot of them keep it a secret, which is sad, like it's really, really sad. Like I have one of my students, he's like one of the best in the nation, and I remember when he was younger, like now he doesn't care, now he's like, dude, you're playing football and I'm ballroom dancing, and I have like this beautiful girl in front of me, like, you know, it's a funny, it's like a funny thing, like now he doesn't care, 'cause he has those accolades. But when he was younger, he really, really cared, and he was really good, he was really talented. So it's like sad that you can't appreciate that. So I think seeing Harry and, you know, Dylan, like actually be like, this is amazing, and this changed my view on things, and I have such an amazing experience. I think that's really special, and I think that Dance Industry needs a little bit more of that light. - Before we let you go, and we really appreciate taking the time, can you set us up with like what we can expect going forward? And is there something you're excited and maybe both nervous for the audience to see? - I am nervous every single week of this show. I'm a little bit nervous. I have a little pushed out of my comfort zone every week, but you can definitely expect a lot more twists and turns, a lot more surprises. I know that's not the answer you're looking for, that the spoiler you might be looking for, but-- - Whatever the answer is. - Truly, this whole experience has been so amazing, and the cast, the crew, like everybody, it's just been such a blessing to be a part of, and yeah, there's a lot of exciting stuff coming that I cannot wait for people to see. A lot of twists and turns, I'm really curious of what it's gonna look like, right? Because obviously I lived it, I know what is going on, but I don't know what the edit's gonna be. I don't know how the edit's gonna come out. So that is one thing that I could say. - That is one thing that I could say. - A true reality TV star for sure. - I mean, listen, the horns are just hidden underneath this hair a little bit. - I have a question. So I come from a family of dancers, and they're the most disciplined people I know. Is your mom ever watching your choreography or dances or even the show in general and critiquing your form or like calling you and being like, "Oh, you should have done this, you should have done that." Where is she pretty handsome? - Yeah, so that's actually, no, it's actually really funny because we have watch parties at the studio every Monday night when we have the show, so all the students come in and like everybody brings things that's super cute. So my mom comes to the watch parties. My mom has never been as emotional and supportive and proud as she is like right now, which is so weird for me because she will come up to me and she'll have like a tear in her eye, and she's like, that was beautiful. And I'm like, and point your toe. And like, what's the, 'cause when I won nationals when I was 15 years old, my mom came up to me in hysterical tears and she goes, "Oh my God, you were so bad." I'm like, "Why are you crying?" I'm like, "So why are you crying?" She goes, "You, she goes, you need to go back to the studio and you were so bad." I'm like, "But you're crying, why?" She goes, "Because I'm still happy for you, but that was not bad." I'm like, "Okay, got it." So it's actually really different experience, yeah. I think seeing me take on the different styles, too, is super interesting for her, 'cause she always wanted me to do standard, too. She wanted me to do all 10, but I was always like a Latin baby overall. And especially this last weekend doing content. Well, this last Monday doing contemporary was, yeah, it was really special. It was a beautiful piece that I never thought I would be able to dance, let alone choreograph. Like the fact that we did that together, like that's our choreography. Like that's still weird for me. I've watched it like 55,000 times. - Well, congratulations on all your success. You've accomplished so far and really excited to see how things end up for you. And hopefully we will see you on the next season of Dancing with the Stars. - Hopefully. All right, thank you guys so much for having me. - Thanks so much Nina, best of luck. - Thank you. - Thank you. - Thanks. - What an intense community. - I know. - Dances its own, like everything she was saying even, 'cause I come from a family of dancers, like I wasn't allowed to dance when I was little 'cause I was a boy. So it took me graduating high school and going to college to then do ballet, but it's already too late to like, actually take anything seriously. But. - I felt like you could have probably been really good. I think I have the body type for it. - You do have the body type and you also have like. - I'm actually too short. I'm a little too short to be a male ballerina, but like. - Or ballroom dancer. - I could do ballroom. - I mean, you just have the drive to do things and you're naturally talented, so. - I don't know. Let's say things, you have to like the flexibility and movement also 'cause dancing is so like, for the most part, like you have to hit everything the right way, like starting at a young age, which a lot of these professionals do, like you have to have that rigor from a young age. - No, they're like three and they're just like, they're free doing it. 'Cause your body has to be able to even do some of that stuff. - Yeah, and it's also so interesting the way people, like creativity manifests itself differently in other people, 'cause like I'm someone that like, like music is like my thing, like I'm a good musician and I'm like naturally pretty good at it, right? But like dancing, you would think that like, I understand beats, I understand like, I can be in the pocket of like a groove if I'm like playing something. I cannot dance to save my life. Like you give me choreography, my body gets into it? No. And it's so interesting to like, you know, just like the way all of that works and dancers have always just like, absolutely blown nine in that way. - I would have loved this kid and I would have enjoyed. - I would have loved it too. Also the dance world, just being like a Jason to it, like a T that I would hear amongst the dancers. So that's where like dancing with the stars was always like a little bit more PC in the sense of like you're focusing professionally on the star and whatnot. But now that we're seeing the dancers side of it, that's where the drama is. - Well, I know it's like ABC Disney, but I bet they could be giving us a lot more if they wanted to because yes, there is definitely a lot of a T in drama on the community. - When I was little, I would like walk into the back of like where they could dress and stuff. They're all getting dressed in the same room, Same dressing room, doing stuff and I'm like, hmm, like theater, right? - It is, it does. seem like and a cutthroat to dancers. It's like theaters. There's a theatricality to it and dancers. There's this other type of theatricality, but like there's an emotional theatricality to theater kids. That's like overperforming and dancers are like, yeah, they're cutthroat. It's like this analytical type of performing. They know they're serving. Yeah. Oh my god. The T backstage must be piping. Well, that will do it for today's episode. Thank you to both our guest Rachel Scanlan and Nina Maester. We appreciate them both and we appreciate you listening. We'll see you back on Monday. Bye-bye.