DWTS Grammy Night Deep Dive: Unexpected Exit + Danielle Fishel Interview: Boy Meets World & More!

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But I'm just really excited for the episode, you know? It's been like, it's really calling me tonight. Like two weeks since we've like, it's sit down and watch live. Yes. So tonight, we will be sitting down watching live and recapping right after this. Going to hear it probably right now. Right now. Let's get into it. After last week's performances, we need to talk. Who do you think is taking home the mirror ball? There are a few front runners. The judges scores are all over the place. And honestly, everyone seems to have a different pick right now. Either way, you could see what the market is saying on DraftKings. Check out the live dancing with the stars markets on the DraftKings Sports app and make your own call. Download the DraftKings Sports app and use co-chicks. New DraftKings customers trade five, get 200 in bonuses with 21 days. Trade five, get 200 in total bonuses. Co-chicks in partnership with DraftKings, the crown is yours. 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I was like, I honestly haven't watched since camera. I was off the show. Like you lose you lose me and you lose my people when you when you get rid of the fun people. That's just it. But anyways, enjoy the recap. All right. So we'll get into tonight's recap. We said like we said, shocking elimination. It was Grammy's night. So a lot of really fun songs, a lot of fun singer special guests. It was a jam pack night. It it definitely was. I loved the live performances during the, the duels. I thought that was so fun. But yeah, there was some great songs. We'll get to the elimination at the end. But Ezra and Danny kicked off the show. They did a Argentine tango. Was that a little pun on the Argentine tango? Because it involves a lot of kicks. It wasn't. But it could have been. It could have been. And what do they do? Oh, it's crazy in love. And you know, they love it. This is what the source loves doing like that. Like, why am I looking crazy like that? I mean, well, that's from looking like crazy. It's not like 50 shades of gray. So that version is in 50 shades gray, except the beginning of that was borderline uncomfortable. The oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, there was there was just something a little bit off with the live singers in that portion. But once it got to the chorus, it was great. I love the sexy crazy in love. Yes. And I thought it was a good dance. I wasn't blown away. I did. There was like a couple balance things. But once again, every time you see him dance, it's it's pretty incredible. And the kicks with the with the prosthetic were really cool. Carrie, I made a weird joke about sisters, the lovers. Okay. I'm sorry. Here's the thing. Sometimes I will come to Carrie and defense. They say she's a judge. She's supposed to be doing her job. And then I go, she's a fucking freak. Like, there was she just doesn't make it easy for herself. You know, if she doesn't be in her corner and the judicial like that, we're like, well, come and you're making it hard for us. And how does your brain go from watching these two dance to you just turn your sister into your lover for a night. Now we know what kind of porn Carrie is into and things got uncomfortable. And then Derek has. Right. And you're sitting next to Derek who has probably dealt with the sisters, the lovers jokes more than anyone else in the entire world. Right. And like Derek is like allegedly banging his sister sometimes. And it's a whole thing. And we don't need that. And then Derek is like, whoa, my sis. And like, and by the way, Derek, no one's had anything to you, but Derek immediately jumps to what people have said about him. And yeah, I mean, well, you know, you got your sense of it on that when you're like, you've been dancing with your sister your whole life. And before like, that's weird. Like, so it's right here. It just I couldn't believe what I was hearing one that came out of her mouth. Yeah. And I know she said it in like a, in a way that's like supposed to be like a fun thing. Like, we were supposed to be a compliment. Right. Like, oh my God, how fun you. You made your sister your lover for the night. Like, no, thank you. No thanks. We're not in Alabama, Carrie. And like, we are not trying to do that. Yeah. I think she did. Like, obviously she tried to just make a reference to their package of, of them joking about how they have such like more of a sibling relationship. And as there's got to turn his sexiness on a little bit for this, but it's like, it's fine when they do it. But we, you don't need to do it. You know, and they weren't doing it in that way. They were just saying, Hey, we need to like channel different chemistry. Like, Carrie, I could have been like, Hey, I know you guys have a brother, a brother sister relationship. But I just want to say you did a really good job of channeling that chemistry in which the Argentine tango needs. As simply as that, that you made the dance sexy. Yeah. And that was great. Like, she couldn't, honestly, would have been better. She said step sister. She could have said, turn your step sister into your lover for a night. That would have been better than straight-up sister. Yeah. Yeah. I do think that sometimes words come out of her mouth and like, later she goes, maybe I shouldn't should have worded it that differently. You know, you just, she doesn't have a lot of time to think up of her response. And it's just like it flies right out, but it was, it was a good dance. Like I said, I felt like there was a couple wobbles, but, but that, but that was it. And then Amber and Pasha did a Pasa Dobley to, um, what was Evan Essence? Yes. Yes. I fucking love that song. One of the best songs ever. Such a good song. And like, some of these songs I felt were a little tricky in the dance, uh, in the type of dance, like matching with the song. This one made a ton of sense to me. Like this was made for Pasa Dobley, power, core, Amber is so good. I loved this dance. I allegedly, there was a lift. I think carrying a doctor for a lift. I didn't see it. I got to watch it back. I need an instant replay. I don't know what we need to do to get instant replay on this show. ABC, we got Monday night football. You guys do it on ESPN. Give me the instant replay. When Karen says I saw a lift, I want a slow mo of where that lift was or else. I'm confused. That's a really solid point. And I feel like it's something they can maybe work into that season because they do it for some dances. Like last week when they were like, uh, last week, when who was it with Jenna? And they were like, Oh, there was a little, little misstep. Mm hmm. They played the replay during, right, when like, right before the judges. And I was like, Oh, there it is because I didn't see it before. So where was the lift? Show me show us the lifts because maybe there wasn't one. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I want to see it. I thought that was a 10. I thought that was a 10s dance. Yeah. This song is just so good and powerful and great for a Pasa Dobley. And I feel like it worked fantastically for this night because like you said, some of the songs were a little tricky. But this one was great. And just the, these first two, they're going straight to the top. Here's the thing. Like they're going to the finale. It's not a doubt in my mind. Yeah. They're going. Yeah. And you know, I felt like, uh, this was just a big nine night. Mm hmm. Everyone was feeling the nine. Yeah. Um, I do feel like Ezra could have gotten eights. Yeah. I thought so too. Uh, but everyone was nine's. Like it just was like no one. Everyone was going to nine. Uh, and a very hard to get a 10, which was interesting. It was like the scale of nine. Like there was like a really low nine and really high nine. But there was very hard to get a 10. Mm hmm. Um, and, uh, yeah, it was like everyone was really stuck on, on nine's. Mora and Mark, I believe what next they were doing an Arduzine tango as well to the thong song, which is a hilarious combination. I do love that they leaned into it. You know, she had a little bedazzle thong part of the costume. I love that. I love a bedazzle thong sticking out. Oh, I eat that up. Yeah. That was, that was really perfect. I felt terribly for her during their, their, their package that she was so hurt because a rib injury is just awful. Like sometimes I'm at the point where like sometimes I'll bend down and like get like a, a sharp pain under my boob, like right my rib cage. And it stays there for a second and I go, ah, and it's so, it's only because I bend down weird. So I'm like, uh, an actual right one wrong stretch. You could feel that way. She's flipping and flopping and twirling going. And she did all those lifts flawlessly still in this. That last lift was what her whole body was in that shape. I was like, how is she doing that with a rib injury? You know, contortionist. Like she literally twisted her body and it makes sense why her rib was hurting because holy shit. That was incredible. Some of the parts of the dance were iffy, but some of them were fantastic. And that was a standout moment. I think in her entire, uh, you know, resume on this show with that was such a huge moment. And Mark is just a genius. And he did such a good, good job at making the thong song into a song that you could dance the Argentine tango totally. Only Mark could do that and also make it do it in a way where it was like not. And they, the band kind of changed it around to where it wasn't like, oh my god, like this is the thing. They tried to put a little bit of an effect on the, on the thong song, which was probably needed for, I liked it. I was like, I kind of want to listen to this on my spare time, right? Like it was. It was a totally a different version, which I enjoyed. Um, Val and Jenna did a jazz to Janet Jackson. It's a great, awesome dance. It was a great dance. Really fantastic dance. Obviously, here's the thing at this point. It's like, she's not going to, the dance isn't going to be the dance. There's no one I'm trying to say. Shocking. There's a shock would never not be good. You know, like, it's like, I watch and I go, that was perfect. Now like, I'll watch Amber. I'll be like, that was perfect. You know, but when I watch Jenna and I'm like, that was perfect because it's, you assume it's going to be, uh, and especially with the jazz, especially to Janet Jackson, you have all the history, um, which is, which is so cool. Full, full circle moment for Jenna. I did get a little that, when Val tried to rip his shirt off, it didn't fully rip. It was, it got stuck and I was like, blood. The shirt, there's a lot of mishaps happening. But like you said, there's no, wow, shock, shock value with the dance. You're not surprised that she's doing great. You're like, yeah, she should be doing great. It's Janet Jackson. It's, yeah, exactly. Obviously, she's going to crush this. Uh, and ultimately they were sent home, but we'll get, we'll get to that. Yeah. After Jenna, uh, Tatiana and Jan did a tango to boom, boom, pow, and another classic, another classic, but definitely another one where I was like, I agree with what I am when he was on face. I mean, he was like, how are you doing at tango to boom, boom, pow, and they certainly made it work. But just like the cadence of the song kind of felt like they had to match it to a tango a little bit. We just heard because sometimes it makes the moves like look slower, but she nailed it. She really does keep getting better and better. And I love watching her and Jan dance. And this was really, really good. I totally agree. I think she gets better every single week. I feel that way about her in honor. Like you can really see the trajectory of their dancing career. It's like from the beginning to now, you see the way they're changing. Tatiana looks so strong and confident. And I love watching that. And I love their partnership. So I was so happy that they stayed and Connor as well, because I feel like there are two people that we are watching each week get better. Whereas like, like you mentioned, Jenna, always going to be great. Ezra, we know is great. Amber, we know she's great. Yeah. Like these are, and I love watching them. But we know that they're going to be great. Yeah, but I really only feel that way about like Jen and Harry, because to me, Ezra and Amber, like, yes, they are very, very good, but they do have missteps. And then they come back better. And like they can still get, like they, I do see the progress. Jenna, they're just their professional dancers. Like they're, they're always at the end of the day. Like they're just always going to be good. But watching Connor, it's like, oh, my God, you see the control. You see the power. Like that's very hard to do. And a dance like that. I also think, and this is no, this is no knock. I just think like that dance is hard to do when you're, you're at, you know, I level with your, with your partner. Because it's like hard to sort of hold that frame, I think. And he did such a good job of being that, like, balance for Riley while she was doing all her kicks and flips and everything that the woman does in the, in the Argentine tango, that it was great. And he was rewarded for it. I was so, like, I was happy that he got, once again, all nice. And Tatiana and Jan, what was their scoring? Going back. I want to say they got all nines as well. I'm pretty sure it was all nines. I didn't write it down because I forgot, but I'm pretty sure all nines. And then Harry and Jenna did a salsa, Jenna unfortunately broke her nose, which is awful. Like, just talk about the worst injury. I don't know how she could breathe. So she broke her nose, salsa accident, which is so fair, because there are limbs flying in the salsa. They dance to, um, die with a smile, another great song. And I posted this on Instagram, but like, I just smile when I watch Harry dance because got, I just appreciate someone who loves to dance. And you see how much he loves to dance. And it shines through with him. Like something bringing that much joy to somebody is always great to watch. And Harry is one of those people that you could just see he's having such a good time. Yeah. I also posted this, but I'm like, I, they're so good too. And now I, I need when, when they get tens, like, I need them to not act like they're surprised. Like I, I, I show the emotion. You could be happy. Cheers. Oh my God. Amazing. Yeah. We got tens. We won't be like, oh, tense. Well, maybe because they went later on and not many people got tens. So it is like, "Oh wow, we got test." Maybe but come on. And I guess like when you're that good I know and Derek did have a comment about his like his upper body being Perfect with the lower body not being perfect and Derek didn't give a tent but Carianne and Bruno did So I guess maybe that was surprising to her but like she thought maybe it would all be nines after what Derek said But Still I'm like come on you've been getting tens You know you know you're putting out tens ten work you know you're putting out ten work is why I said like that's You are hoping and striving for a ten and they They nailed it. It was also a dual night and Harry and Jenna did not have to do the duel because they scored out of it last week um So we didn't get to watch them in a duel which did Lend to some interesting pairings because I do think sometimes When it's like girl guy it can be hard to compare the two But they did have Ezra and Amber go against each other Which did lead to a Spouse matchup as well and I thought they did it in the cutest way. I mean my god. Could they be any cuter? Like it's like oh, it's a competition, but also we love each other Look at us do our little partner swap at the end we're dancing over the line. Let's rub this line out of here Yeah, they are so cute. I was so happy that they were paired up in this Me too. I thought that was really sweet. I thought it was such a sweet way to do it Um, they were both great in their rumba Amber's just like she does that rumba so beautifully. So they did end up winning despite it being really it felt like a combo dance And you're not even a duel because even it really felt like they were hitting A lot of the same moves at the same time like the choreography was still Fairly synced up which which I thought was really cool to see for a for a duel Jenna Went up against Tatiana and Once again, Jan just made me LOL because when they walked into the room if Jan pretended to like lift the table he was like no And then it just like look like he was pounding. He is such a treasure Like the fact that he was a new pro last year and I think he's just shining this season and I'm just so happy about it Yeah, absolutely. I did think it was funny, you know They showed Jen Affleck in the audience who was who was there and there were some reports that came out rumors I saw this week too about Zack's alleged backstage behavior at dance with the stars and it sounded like he was a bit of a menace Trying to control some choreography trying to control costumes So I can only imagine the fun that Jan is having this season compared to whatever he had to deal with last season And it was like Jan was such a professional. He handled it all so well But that's really hard to deal with when you have this a spouse that is trying to get in the middle I cannot imagine how hard that would be and how annoying that could be You're just like shut up and let me do my job get this guy out of here like Holy shit. That's gotta be like you have to have an enormous amount of restraint on Jan's part to just like All right, I guess this is what I'm dealing with but that is so annoying. I know right and just so Unprofessional and and rude. Yeah, and by the way, I also forgot to mention that we were getting live performances during this So like we had Brandy and Monica saying for Ezra and Amber, which was awesome. I fucking every time I said what a great song to and they're they're amazing Vegas residency. Yeah, we're saying And then Mary Mora sing the middle which never gets old. It's just one of those songs you go And then it just gets stuck in your head all night. It really it really really does And then the last one was Connor verse Mora and little Cheryl Crow all I want to do that's another one that has some fucking great song Oh, what an eye-con Cheryl Crow is rewind back to the summer for a minute and play that song Nothing such a summer song. Nothing is better Then sunshineing Drive into the beach windows down with that song playing. Mm-hmm. Oh my god. I'm picturing I saw live only like a month ago. Yes, you did Let's not forget big guest at the Tadeshi trucks show. Yes. Yes How can we possibly forget? Um, that was awesome. They did the Chacha They both came out in the pants which I said smart because here's the thing like in the Jenna were the pants The Chacha pants those During their duel and I'm like if you can wear the pants you got to wear them. Yeah, you know, it just enhances every dance It's just enhances and the two of them wore the pants. I thought I thought Connor looked much better in this Chacha than the previous Chacha And so did Mora like I think Mora too was like I tried to fix the mistakes. I mean last time And they were both great. I didn't feel like there was a big describe Like too big of a discrepancy between the two of them. I thought Connor did really well on that too. So kind of a Toss up to me, but Mora and Mark did When that one. Yeah, I agree with you on that. I feel like Um Connor just has so much backing right now. Yeah, that maybe they're like Yeah, I take this right. He's got a lot of the momentum And by the way like I don't know what was going on tonight, but a lot of people were dealing with the issues My text was not working. I was trying to test voting was not working for a long time finally like I turned off my phone Airplane, but I did everything wasn't working finally. I started working at like nine like nine 30-ish I think Maybe a little bit before that, but I like I was like, well, I guess I'm going on the website and voting like I have my votes in So I was doing that, but then finally I was able to get my text votes in um But it did come down to the bottom two. I don't know I know It's all I know makes you think makes you think and let me tell you something I would not want to be the one that goes home on the night that the texts were at working for portions of the evening You know, no you don't because then you want to be What happened there now where there are people that tried to vote for me And then they just thought it was broken so they didn't try again. Right now this was shocking In terms of like dance, right like she's the best dancer but I think that in the same way That love island turned into like a we're just going to bend together and decide who we're sending home This is now happening with dancing with the stars that people are just like Banny together and they're like this is the person that's going home tonight everybody on board All right, we're sending them home, which is not very it really has become that it's not fun in my opinion that way like I It becomes like an online Yeah Bollying tactic I feel like I don't know if bullying is a strong word, but like uh, I think you have a Whitney last year Where I like hive mind it's like think for yourself vote for who you want to vote for exactly. That's what it is hive mind It's like well, what do you want? Yeah, you're just following what people are just following because you're seeing TikTok that they're like tonight It's Jenna and Val and you're like, okay, I guess tonight. We're not even going to watch how the dance goes We're that's just them tonight, which is not fair. No, it happened with Whitney last season Whitney was so good And because of the season of Mormon wives came out and people didn't like on the season they said she that's it. She's going home She danced in college see ya. Yeah, and I don't like that I think that people should just watch the show and of course you have your favorites Even if they're not great that night you want them to get to go further Um But to just do the the hive shit is I know you know, I know and and it honestly I feel like there was a blueprint to the season almost that when when the cast was announced it felt like a lot of fans Determined like when it was appropriate for people to go home like I remember seeing people at the beginning of the season being like Oh, you know Jenna will be good up and and then we'll send her home like right before the finale or something You know this like that was I saw that and like that is kind of what happened So at the same time of being shocked I also wasn't because I was like this does seem to feel like a trend now That it wasn't like this when the first few contestants came on that like really had the dance background You know, Jojo Siwa or Charlie Demilio like it wasn't There is much with the backlash of like oh, they can't make it to the end because they have dance experience um But there's unfortunately I think like there was just too much discourse around Them that maybe it was too hard to beat I think val unfortunately had a had a rough season and that Came to bite him in the ass a little bit because it did kind of seem like when they were up there that they were like It felt like they almost saw it coming like they were like oh fuck like that's it's gonna be us And here's the thing we've gotten to the point of this season where I personally Don't feel like I get that worked up. I'm shocked but at the same time it's not like I'm I don't have someone that I'm like it really should have been this person You know, so it's so hard because in my mind I can't replace them with anybody. I do feel like everyone else is so great and they're working so hard and getting better. And like I would have been so upset if it was Tatiana, I would have been upset. So if there's other people, so it sucks, but it's like somebody has to go home at this point. If you are looking just at, if we're going best dancers should make it through, there's absolutely no way. Like she should be dancing in the finale and it sucks because I do think like the freestyle, these two would have put together would have been incredible, 1000%. I personally would have been way more devastated if Tatiana and Young went. Like that really would have been a huge bummer. I would have been way more upset about that. I think it's a bummer that we won't get to see like a finale dance from these two for sure, but you're right. Like there's no one you could swap in and go, it should have been them or should be them at this point in the game. Yeah, everybody's putting up a fight and everyone has their own reasons as to why they should stay in. Like I think I could make an argument for each person and couple there now of why they should still be in, including Jen and Val. Yeah. So it's a bummer. I think they saw it coming. I think you could see it on their face. And then I mean online, like you could see the discourse around them as well. So sure. And you know what also happens with the people that have really good dance experience and they're just fantastic dancers is you. I think a lot of people vote and they put in the votes for the people that they think like really need it. And with Jenna, you may think like she's going to get the vote. She's so good. She doesn't she doesn't need mine. You know, and then you're you don't like put him put it in as much or give the thought like, oh, I should I should make sure I vote for Jenna because I wanted to go through. It's like, oh, in my mind, I'm like, oh, let me make sure I get my votes right like Amber. Tadana, like I got to get those in because I really want to make sure that they make it because you kind of think like, oh, Jenna must have so many people voting for her. She's so good. But that mindset kind of backfire sometimes. Definitely. Yeah. Well, we go into the semi finals next week and I'm excited. I'm excited to see what happens because I don't know at this point. I don't know. I know. So how many people do we have left right now? Six six. So that's interesting. So I guess we're going to have a five person finale. It was that way. Last year. It was last year too, right? Five. And you know what? I enjoy that because the more the merrier in the finale, like I'm like, if they can handle having that many people in the finale, that's that's great because last year was Robert Alex Jordan Dylan, who am I forgetting? Elaine? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm looking. The final five were Robert Alex Jordan Dylan Elaine. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Elaine got fifth. And this was the final five couples. Yes. Yeah. So it's going to be a tough battle for that last, for that fifths, you know, the five spots. And I will be so devastated to see any of these couples that are left just miss it because I really would love to watch all of them in the finale. I would have loved to watch Jen and Val and the finale too. I really would have. But you know, Jenna is such an amazing dancer. I do just think like it's so hard on a show like this when you're so consistent, the, but you lose a little bit of the buzz because you're like, they're so, they're so good. They're so consistent. And then the people that each week are getting better, you're like, yes, you're, they're getting better. Like there's just more things to talk about with their dance. You're like, they did that better. This was this. This was that. We get to be talking about Jenna and Val is like, great dance. Obviously, it was amazing. I guess there's not much more to say about it because it's normally flawless. And on a show like this now, it feels like that hurts you, which is crazy. Yeah, it is crazy, but they were fun to watch. Yeah. And we'll see if Val gets another amazing dancer next season. I know. Right. I think so. I think they're, I think next season, I think they're going to ease up on the, on the channel content that just, yeah, to be like everyone may need a little bit of a break from for sure. Yeah. Yeah, makes sense. All right. That wraps up Dancing with the Stars week out. Okay. Let's be honest. Sometimes choosing what to watch is less about what you want to watch and more about. What mood are we in? Maybe you want to laugh until you cry? Maybe you want edge of your seat drama? Maybe you want to escape reality entirely? I love that Amazon Prime. But you follow that feeling beyond the screen. You can find the shows, movies and sports that give you exactly the vibe you're craving on Prime video. And with Prime's fast shipping, you can get the things you need to make that moment even better to live a right to your door. I just want something I can get completely lost in and I'm definitely ordering some popcorn because that's part of the experience. Obviously, I'm ordering San Francisco with it. Because when you're creating your night, you shouldn't have the settle for just watching the feeling. It's on Prime. All right. Let's get into the popcorn and we'll take your hot takes, your voicemails, your opinions. Noah, finish your candy and play that first track. Hi, Rhea, Fran and Noah. This is Kenzie calling from Ontario, Canada. And my hot take is that dancing with the stars needs to do more with their eliminated stars that they do with their eliminated pros. The eliminated pros are always dancing in the first number. They're always doing random numbers throughout the show and in the show more, I feel like. But where are the stars put them maybe on the podcast or have them doing their live? I feel like I want to see the eliminated stars still in the ballroom for the rest of the show to have them there. I don't know. I think it's a hot take, but I want to see like Julia styles around still. I want to see Guillermo supporting other people because they probably took the time out their schedule already for the end of the star. So keep them around. Even if they're not dancing, that's my hot take. Love you guys in the show, love you to be fair. If I'm a star and I get kicked off and be like, I'm out of here, I'm out of here. You're going to force them to show up still when they're not a part of the show. And they're probably pissed they got sent home and then they have to like go cheer on the other. Right. And here's the thing, it's like when the when the eliminated pros are there, they're professional dancers. That's it's their job to dance. So they can dance in and out of commercials all they want. But like if a star is there, they got to learn a dance just to dance out into like in between commercials, they're not even in the competition anymore. Right. And then also like getting paid like they're not just going to like do the live and whatever for free. They're off the show now. They could potentially be missing other opportunities if they're just like lurking around. Right. I do have to politely disagree with this. Yes. I do find that when it's their time, it's their time. Everyone comes back for the finale and it's a great moment when you see everybody. But when you're eliminated, you just got to get out of there. Right. I'm sure they have the people that they're rooting for once they're eliminated. Yeah. But part like I think part of you is just like, all right, my time is up. And I got to go home. Yeah, I got to go back to my line up like that. So the pros work for dancing with the stars. Yes. So that makes more sense. Yeah. That's why they're there. And think about it. It's like if Harry were to be eliminated or some, you know, like he's on a TV show right now and acting. I was so ashamed of it. But like, so is Guillermo. So is Guillermo. But that's what I'm saying. Like Guillermo had to go back to his job. And if that were to happen, like, their schedule has been so hectic trying to do both. Harry's just going to go back to doing the show that they are being paid to do, which is, you know, praise not to me and the rookie and like, yeah, they're not coming back to the studio to provide free labor. For sure. For sure. Hi, Rhea, Fran, Noah. I love you guys. I saw you guys in Charlottes when you guys came to tour here a few years ago. What my hot take is that I don't think thank you cards should be required anymore and be defining as a character trait. Like if you don't send a thank you card, then you are tacky. You have no decorum. You have no class. I saw this debate on TikTok and I have also talked about it with my friends. I personally have texts with my friends and have told them thank you for any gifts or anything they have sent for wedding, baby shower, bridal shower. I text everyone, I thank you, but people still say that's not good enough and that no one has class anymore. And I get it while I appreciate a thank you card. I also don't give a damn and anyone that is my friend or close me, they don't need to send me a thank you card when I get them something. I just feel like we're all close enough to know. We're all thankful. I do think it's nice to still send a message, but I just don't have time to be mailing out, I don't know, twenty plus cards for everything. And despite some tacky, my mom disagrees with me. She thinks it's tacky to not send thank you cards, but I genuinely hate sending mail and I guess maybe that's just a need problem, but what do you guys think? Okay, I love you. Bye. Well, I never heard of it. I really find myself sending, like, the wedding was a big thing. The events of the wedding, shower, wedding, those events. So I don't even really think of me sending like 20 thank you cards out. Those were big things, were like a lot of thank you cards went out. I get the idea, like I understand what you're saying, because I do think a lot of people don't do much with the thank you cards they receive. It's like they open it, they read it, maybe I don't know people are keeping them. Sometimes I open the thank you card, it's like, it's just, you know, we've got to the point of getting like printed messages, like we're just a universal. Everyone's gotten the same thank you. It is certainly still the right thing to do, you know, like, which is, which is where it's tricky, because it's like, you can't not send a thank you. But the thank yous, I don't think anyone's like, oh my God, thank God, I got to thank you. No, okay. Well, I would like to say that after we sent out our thank yous for our wedding, many of people told my parents and others that they have never received such a nice thank you before. And I took pride in that. And so now I'm like pro me sending it, I'm not so offended if I don't get a thank you card, but I feel like it's the right thing to do, because if you say taking the time out to write 20 cards, you have to think of it like, well, people took the time out to come to your event and give you a gift. And that's hours of people's time. What other scenario are you sending a thank you card? Right. It depends on like big events, I think require thank you cards, like a birthday, I don't think we're part of that. Thank you, card. I don't, I don't, like I think showers, weddings, yeah, those types of things, thank you cards. But like birthdays, no, thank you, card. Yeah, I don't think I've ever received a birthday, thank you, card, or given out of birthday, thank you. No, no, I never have either. But I think what it comes to like weddings and all that, I think it's still the right thing to do and I, and I think people, yeah, it is and it's, it, it is a pain in the ass, but it is the right thing to do. And it just like having to write them all, it's, it's labor, it's manual labor. And most of them are like the same, right, like maybe your personalize in some of them, but you're not. Yeah, it depends on obviously how well you know. I have to go to a little personal touch in everyone that I did, but that's just, I like doing that stuff. So I don't know, it depends, like on some people hate doing that and then fine, then you know what I mean. I also just like, I don't, this might just sound rude, but it's like, I don't keep a lot of them. I get that. Oh, I hear all of cards written to me. Yeah, me too. You do? All of them? Oh, I don't. Every card, every birthday card. I feel like so guilty if I throw some, like a card away. Well, I'm just like, it's, it's morbid, but I'm like, eventually like, you'll want this. Yeah. But here's the thing, like I have, I have one saved from like my family members, you know, I have like any card, my husband's written me, I've saved any like grandparents, ones I've saved parents, like family members, those things for any other occasion, I've saved, like receiving a, a thank you note from another person, like I went to their wedding. Like I'm like, I don't, I think what it comes to like, always need to keep this. Maybe like for Christmas cards, like once the season's over, I'll throw them away. Like, like, oh my god, you can't be keeping Christmas. No, like I'll keep, I keep them for the season. Yes. I've heard that YouTube have ever given me I still have somewhere. So do I. I have all of, I have all of yours as well. You write Noah writes amazing cards, actually. It's where I think his most of your emotion comes out as in your cards. Yeah. Most of my, I'm better in writing. Yeah. You, you have written great cards, but Christmas is like, I saved them for the season. Yeah. And then when the season wraps up, it's like, well, your Christmas card's gone now. Yeah. Yeah. I have to. I can't hold on to everyone's Christmas cards for years. I can't even imagine the pot like, but I think my, I think my parents probably have held on to many people's Christmas cards for years. You think? Yeah, I think so. Here's my thing. It's like, I live in a small space. So it's like, if things start to pile up or there's mountains of like, I just gotta get rid of this. You know what I do? I actually have an old suitcase that I don't use anymore in one of my closets. And if you open it, it's just all memorabilia of my life. I love that. I love that. The Noah Ives suitcase. That's awesome. Yeah, there's a lot of chicks in the office. That's such a good idea. And I'm shit. Yeah, yeah. I just, I just know it's all in there. That is such a good idea. I have that in another place, like a bunch of like chicks in the office stuff. But now it's like, I did a cleaning of my cabinet recently, but now that has been long enough for it's filled with like, if I get something, I just throw it in there and I'm gonna have to clean that up soon. Yeah. But. It is, it is the right thing to say to thank you. Yeah. Like, if you, if you just had a wedding, you absolutely need to say thank you, cards. For sure. Definitely still a thing. But I just like, a lot of people don't check their mail that much these days. But I'm not waiting around the house being like, we're so and so, thank you, card, though. No, no, no. But I would never be able to not send one after a big life event like that. Yeah. I would eat me a lot. What do you think the time range is where you need to send it by how long? It's supposed to be a year. A year. Oh, I thought I was, I thought I was short of that. I think if you wait a year, that's a long ass time. No, that's a long time. Well, because you're technically, because you're technically, like, you're technically, I mean, allowed. I mean, who made up, who made this role? I don't know. But it's like up until a year after a wedding, it is still acceptable, acceptable to give a gift. I think that's also crazy. If you wait a year. To give a gift. I understand. Yes. But sometimes that happens. And when that does happen, like, well, of course, you can't send a thank you until you get the gift. So it's like, well, the gift. So you said someone sends a gift a year after and then you send a thank you a year after that. Two years after that. But it's like in the window of the, in the window of a year, I think, hey guys, it's Becca from Charlotte. I have a not pop culture hot take, but just a life hot take. This has happened to me now twice in the past two weeks and I just want to put this out there. I'm sure this is controversial that some people go one way or the other with this. But if I am at any type of a barbecue, food related outdoor event, once a fly has landed on the food, I'm out. I can't eat it. I'm not eating anything off of it. Once a fly has landed on the platter, on the sandwiches, on the fruit, I'm done. You lost me. I'm not eating. This has been twice now and it has two weeks where I've gotten to parties and within a few minutes of them putting the food out before I can even take anything. There's flies on it and I'm now at a party where I can't eat anything because the food has been infested with flies. And I just want to know if other people can relate to this. All right. Love you. Bye. Well, that sounds like, you know, a little bit of a contamination OCD thing. Right. You know, there is quite literally not many things that can stop me from eating things that I want to eat. Like genuinely, like, if I'm hungry and the food is there and I want it, someone would have to like whip their dick out and pee on it for me to stop me from eating it. Like, I have been, that's one way to contaminate it. Yeah. Like, I have eaten things that I've had hair and I've just like picked a hair off of me. What? Are you having hair? I would say the fly, I'm fine with the Vitao side. Like a fly. If I see one single hair, I'm not eating any, am I eating any of the food wherever I came from? Oh, I can, I can pretty much look past it. Like, which is crazy coming from me because I am somebody who like, a hair is disgusting. Like, like, you would think that's not something I would do with other themes of my life where I get pretty gross out by things. Well, it depends. It depends where and what and what and what and how big the hair is and how long it is where it came from. Where it came from. Well, you don't know. If there's a single strand of hair, that's not your hair. It really, it's a case by case situation because I have a lot of hair and sometimes it's your own hair. Okay, but you know that's the car is different. It's hard to tell. It's hard to tell. I got some dark streaks, I got some blonde streaks and sometimes I go, is this my hair? And then. Would that change it though? I would still eat it. It's my hair. My hair. Any of your hair, I would also. Any of, if anybody in here's hair hit something on my food, I would say, oh my God, I'm an animal. Oh, if you're here, if you're, I grew with you. If you had to be a plate and then I saw that your hair wasn't it, I'd throw it out. Oh my God. Listen. You know, it's a crazy hair. Listen, we're so close. You know where the hair is from. We're so close out that I think that's nuts. Now, if I was actually like, if I was the most disgusting thing, if I was hosting a party and my hair got into some things and I had some people over, I could see them being grow. Oh my God, her hair is amazing. Absolutely. But we're close enough that I think you could be, you can't look past my hair. It's just like, like, you right now you got headphones on, like, I don't know where you've been. You don't wash your hair every day, do you? Yeah, but it's, but I don't, I don't know, like someone could sneeze in your food before you get it. Right. Well, that's just that. Now you're just. You know what I'm just saying, like, you could order your, you could be ordering your delivery. You know, guys, sneezes and it closes it up and then sends it to your friend for sure. I'm going to top, like, most disgusting, like, gag reflex feeling is if you're eating and there's a piece of hair in your mouth. Well, that makes you want to throw it away. That's, yeah. That's right. Think of what I'm not saying. I'm not saying it. - You don't have to eat the hair. - If the hair hasn't touched my mouth yet, then I'm-- - I'm gonna just take it off. - I'm gonna just pull it out. - If I can just pull it out and I'm really enjoying what I'm having, like I'm probably still gonna eat it. - I'm gonna put this to the test. When we go to dinner tomorrow, I'm gonna put my hair on your food and then you take it off and eat it. - Okay, I mean-- - I'm gonna make sure to not shampoo. - Okay, well this sounds like it is escalating into something weird. - No, no, I'm joking. But I do think that's crazy. I won't, if there's any hair. - I think the fly's at a barbecue, like I'm still eating it. You're outside at a barbecue. - I am too. - You're bound to get some flies on some food. - Yeah, it's truly like the main side of the house. - The main side of the house, if there's bugs. Okay, now we have a different problem on our hands. You shouldn't have bugs calling on your food. - No, that's different than like an ant. - No, but yeah. - Yeah, exactly. I'm just thinking of like how many times do you outside in the summer? You've got food out on the table. - You just want them. - You're getting-- - I'm peturing the burgers right here. I go like that. - Right, and like, you're all sitting down and the fly comes, it lands where you're like, "I get outta here." - And then I'm picking up the burger and I'm eating it. - I was always told, is this a real thing or not that any time a fly lands they throw up? - What? - I wish you didn't-- - I'm gonna fly a stirrup. - Told me that information, I wish you never said that out loud. - 'Cause I never, that's something that I, I think that's something I was, that's something I was told that I don't know if I've just always thought it was fact, or if it's something that someone told me that was made up and I've just always like ran with it. But that was like any time a fly lands they throw up. - Oh god. - Okay, this is a fly lands on food and tastes that using special sensors located on its feet. If the food is-- - I wish I had that. - If the food is suitable, the fly regurgitates digestive enzymes and saliva from its gut or crop onto the surface. - Okay, well done. - Fly sometimes form vomit bubbles or hold a droplet of liquid outside their mouth to evaporate excess water. - So that sounds kind of like, if it's landing on a juicy piece of fruit, the fly's probably pumped. - That changes a lot of things now that I found out. - I'm sorry, it's all right. - You've been eating fly through it. - Sorry, it's all too hot. - I mean, a lot of people do it. - We went into a fast food rest stop the other day when we were driving from Indiana to Grand Rapids. And there were so many flies and I just said, I don't care, like I'm just gonna eat this. Like I am so hungry and nothing's gonna stop me from eating these chicken McNuggets right now. - Sorry. - Yeah, for sure. - For sure. - You're making it sound like someone has to physically like chain you to a wall to stop you from eating food. (laughing) - No, you got my point. - Yes. - I am being using Dermatics. - No, but it's like, if you got a perfectly beautiful plate of food in front of you and one little thing, it's like, oh, what am I gonna throw away all this food now? - Right, and it's someone who, like that's bad. - That's bad for food waste. - I am a too much of a shower. - You don't like to waste food too. And I don't like wasting food. And I'm also like, as somebody who like, you would not expect it to me because I like to shower all the time and whatever, but I'm working on that. Like I'm working on not having to, friend knows this, on not having to shower all the time. - Yeah. - Do you abide by the five second rule on the ground? - Yeah. (laughing) - It depends on the anywhere. - Not anywhere. - No, no, no, no. In my own home, yeah. - Depends on the ground, yeah. - Do you actually like it, if, yeah, I think that's a made up thing. It's more just like, are you okay eating it off the ground? The five seconds, I don't, is that real? - No, that, no. - No, that's my thing. - I know, it just depends on-- - Would you eat it off this floor right here? - Yes, yes, because I saw you clean it earlier. This is a pretty clean floor. - It is clean. - So, I would eat it off. We're never like touching this floor. So I would just eat anything. It could be on the floor for a half hour. I'd probably, no, I'm kidding. All right, I'm being dramatic now, and I'm sounding gross, but-- - I'm not as crazy on the germs thing. Like it's so-- - I'm not gonna have a shit about germs. - It takes a lot-- - Oh my God. - It takes a lot to really-- - No, she's gross man. - She's wild with the germs. - Sometimes I'm not-- - No, I have a strong immune system. - It is, but I mean like sometimes I'm like, I can't believe this. Like with what are you doing? She just doesn't care. - You don't wash your hands? - No, I wash my hands. - I wash my hands. - But I mean like she doesn't care like, there's like things in the hotel that like Ria has to do that I'm like, I don't care. - Yeah, like I'm not getting into my bed with plain clothes. - I don't care. - But Fran will re-wear and get into bed. - I was trying to make a point of that of like, to not get into bed like-- - I just ran out of room in my suitcase. Like I don't have room in my suitcase to pack a whole new plane outfit to go home with. - No, it's not about the plane outfit. It's like the plane outfit could stay the plane outfit, but I'm not laying in bed in my plane outfit. Like what, like the plane outfit is coming off my body. I'm putting it to the side and I'm only putting it back on when I get on to the plane. You know? - Yeah, that doesn't matter. - She doesn't care to wipe things down on the plane. - No, I don't do that. - She doesn't have wipes and stuff. - 'Cause I'm like, everything's-- - Yeah, well, I'm getting better. - But you're like, you're like, you clean-- - I use to have wipes and stuff where I would wipe the plane, but I'm getting now, it's like it is what it is. - Yeah. - I'm just like, if it's coming for me, it's coming for me. - Right, like it's, yeah, I'm getting better. I'm getting better with some things, but some things I will not let go. And laying in bed with my plane clothes is just not something I'll ever do. But-- - It's fair. - Eating flythorough. - Eating flythorough is something I'm willing to do. (laughing) - All right, well, should we do one more? Or do we not have one more? - I mean, I have all this if I want to keep. - How long have we been going? - I mean, including the inch, we've been recording for 30 minutes, I don't know exactly how long. - Okay, I feel like we could finish. - It was done. - Yeah, we're probably-- - I feel yes, fine. All right, the more you know, the more you learn about it-- - Yes, you know what I mean, yeah. All right, germs are especially-- - But the thing is, it's funny because you, like, are such a rule follower and stuff, and we always talk about this. Like, there's just some traits about you that people would be shocked by, and I think that's one of them. - What about life? - Yeah, I don't know what it is. There's just certain things, it just don't buy. I just-- - You love germs, don't buy them, you're eating food. Like, and then you like suck your fingers. - Fine, I'll do it. - I'll do that. - Yeah. That one doesn't bother me. - It just depends on what you've been doing before that. - Yeah, yeah, but-- - Hey, sometimes I'll stick my finger in a sauce. Just get more. - Yeah, and I've got like the cheese sauce I talk about, if I run out of chips to stick into the cheese sauce, I will dip my finger in that cheese sauce, and lick it up, and I don't care where my fingers have been. So it really, it depends on which I love the thing. - That's happening. - So that's like if I'm eating a goldfish extremes, you know, they got all that coating on it, then you get them all over your finger. - There's white cheddar cheese. - The coating is delicious. The coating is delicious, you can't let it go. What are you gonna wipe it off? - And then also sometimes your con, your con is scenario where you're like, what do I do? Like I don't have an napkin, I don't want to wipe it on my clothes. - Every at sour skittles, you eat the sugar. - Oh, I haven't done that in a long time, but as a kid, I was licking the inside of the plastic. Like I was digging my tongue into-- - Hell yeah. - Let's get crazy after this. (laughing) Let's go lick some sour skittles. - Let's go lick some sour skittles. - Oh yeah, I was fully, like I was, every crevice of that sour skittles back was devoured. - I'm gonna keep an eye on her and now, see, just observe. - Just observe, just observe, I've never noticed this. - No, it's, there's some things that I think I can learn from her and she can learn from me when it comes to these types of things. Like if you combine yourself, you'd be one normal person. - We'd be like, we'd say that all the time, one perfect person, big boobs, big ass, combine us, like, you get the perfect woman. - Yep, you know, we have a lot of assets that together are great and that's why we make such a great team. - We, hell yeah, thanks. All right, that wraps it up. - Sure does. - All right, that's it, see ya. - Before we get into our interview, let me remind you guys that Skims has the best lounge where pajamas, sweatpants, sweatshirts, it's so good, I wore a pair of Skims pajamas for the live show in Grand Rapids. They aren't my favorite. I have a bunch of sets, the long sleeve sleep set. It is so good, one of my favorites. They also have some great holiday collection gear so you can really be cozy in some holiday pajamas. And I want the best pajamas because I want the best quality of sleep. I also recently tried the Skims Cotton fleece collection and love it. 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Yes, I know, so official. So gorgeous and purple. I love it. I love it. The purple has changed for the years, which is fine, because it's like we've never abandoned purple. Right. It stayed with us. It's just elevated with you. Exactly. It gets darker and darker. It gets a little moodyer. Yes, it has. It's gotten from like carnival purple. Yeah, bright and fresh. Yeah. It's married purple. Yes, it's married. Yeah, deep married. Deep purple. Well, welcome to our table. Thank you so much for joining us. We're so excited to have you. Uh, you guys have a book out, yes. which is so exciting. Book meets world. Dare I say, you can kind of guess what you guys are talking about. I mean, take a guess, take a guess. In the book and you did this with your podcast, co-hosts, your real life co-hosts as well. What were the conversations like with the guys about doing a book? Well, we had done four years of the podcast and nearly 500 episodes and all of the things that we learned through interviewing crew and producers and cast members. So many things that we just were never aware of. And we thought there are so many people who are huge fans of "Boy Meets World" that maybe don't even know the podcast exists. And now they're gonna be like, oh, how interesting. I would like to learn this. I will not have time to listen to 500 episodes of a podcast. And so we're calling this kind of a compendium of all of our favorite moments and some of the best conversations and then digging a little deeper. So taking some of those interviews, re-interviewing them, asking them more questions, asking them to send their BTS photos. So there are pictures that people have never seen and hear their interviews, people have never heard. And just digging a little deeper. I have had so exciting. I want to ask you about the cover because this is like, how can you use this, right? Because it's like identical to "Boy Meets World," right? Like legally, I'm curious about this. Well, I think you. I did recently get my law degree. And I would like to say, just a quick lesson on copyright. Don't know. Yeah, I just like, because it's just like you see it right if you're passing this cover in a bookstore. You know what it is. You know what it is. And you want to pick it up and read it, especially if you're a big fan like we are. So I'm just like, that's amazing that you're able to just make it so spot on. I think what it is is that the idea of "Meets World" is not trademark. You can't trademark that. Right. So we could put anything. We can make anything meet the world, ladies. So I think that's really ultimately what it is. I'm surprised, though, considering they do own our likeness. My actual contract from the '90s says that they own my likeness on any planet in any universe forever in perpetuity. Wow. And so the fact that I'm able to have a face and use it on anything is a little shocking. The fact that you're able to sit here right now and talk to you. Yeah, you just couldn't anything that says like to pang so see it with like, we own that. Wow, you're insane. Wow, it's even if the aliens take over and wear suspicions. It doesn't matter on any planet in any universe. Now, I wonder if that's in, is that in so many people's contracts like from the '90s? Yeah, I think so. I think they just looked at it like, well, what about things in the future we can't control yet? They're like, I know how we can cover it. Right. They're covering all their bases. All their bases. I know the foresight to do that, which is insane. And what does that mean when you say like for people listening, like your likeness, like expand on that a little bit? So our contracts did not include any sort of percentage carve out for us to make any money on anything they made. Now, when you do a movie or something in the contract, it's like, OK, and we might use your likeness, your face, your physical face, and representation in the movie or the show, we might use it to sell merch. And because of that, we're going to give you, say, 2%, 5%, I get 0%. So anything they've ever sold, any to paying a t-shirt, you've ever seen, that's officially licensed. Whatever was made, everything that's especially officially licensed, ABC or someone owns that license and keeps and makes, you know, makes and keeps whatever they sell. That is crazy. So they own your likeness with Topanga, but not Danielle. Of course, they can. Yeah, on Danielle. But it is interesting, because I did want to start a company. And I'm still-- I still think it's a great idea. Trademarking it now. We're giving it-- In any plan, in any plan, in any universe. So take this idea. Because I can take a picture that I own. Say my mom took a photo of me as a teen. I own that picture. I can put that on a t-shirt. I can't put the name Topanga under it. But I could still just use my teenage picture and put it on a kitten commoodle or something. And there's nothing they could do. But I wanted to give that ownership back to the people who were, you know, kid stars and have no way of making money. And somebody else is still making tons of money on it. That's crazy. And that's a really great idea, because people-- they don't need to hear Topanga. They know your face. And like many other child stars, it's the same situation. It's like, you just know the face. So did you have to get permission to use your face on this boat? No. We don't have to get permission to use our faces when our names are-- our names. And it's a new photo shoot. It wasn't a photo shoot from an ABC publicity, you know. I love that. And it's true, because you're right. And like Meets World, it is used so much now. Look at Alex. Yeah. Like it's true. Do you guys talk about that? No, you know what's funny is that I remember when the show-- I was like, oh my gosh, that's so cute. And then I asked some of the producers of the show. I was like, who's the idea? Who's the idea? Was Earl Meets World? And everyone was like, no, no, wasn't me. Yeah, that was me. It was everyone's pointy figures. I don't have to come for glasses. So no, that was cute. I love it. Yeah, that is very, very cute. Well, it's hard to really break down. Like you just said, you did 500 episodes. What was the cutting room floor like for this book? Because you know, you can only fit so much-- So much. But 500 episodes, you guys talked about a lot. Yeah. I mean, we really wanted it to be an expansion of the podcast. So not just like, well, what did we talk about in the first 300 episodes? And what can we pull that it's kind of like who are some of our favorite people to talk to? Who are the people who really knew the most? Like Jeff McCracken, producers that were writers on the show? Like, who knew the most-- who's the most forthcoming about their stories and their ideas and things they can tell us that maybe people don't know? And then we wanted to talk about Girl Meets World, which we don't really at the time. We had not talked about on Pod Meets World really at all. So we kind of just took where we were and expanded on it a bit. But yeah, it was a really fun project. And we had a co-author, Emily Longreda, who was amazing. She went back. And so she's already a fan of the podcast and had listened to every episode. And then for the book, she went back and re-listened to every episode. And so she was a huge help. That's amazing. So you mentioned Girl Meets World not talking about that much. But I've seen you talk about it more. And obviously, articles and headlines that have been written now about you talking about it. You said that there was, like, distance on the set. Talk about that a little bit with us. Yeah, so Girl Meets World, like, I went back to it. I was at such a different place in my life. It was 14 years after Boy Meets World had ended. I was now in my early 30s. And at the time, I had just been accepted to Chapman University to get my master's degree. I was going to be a marriage and family therapist. So I was not even remotely in entertainment at all. And then this opportunity came around and it was like, well, this really feels like a once in a lifetime thing. And my excitement for the show was really around the idea of who Bill Daniels was to us on the show, which was like, that's the epitome of professionalism. That's an adult. That's someone who shows you what it's like to be a legend in the entertainment industry. And I was excited to be that not that I'm comparing myself in any way to Bill Daniels. But to be the adult on a show that can show you, you can have a career as a child in this industry. You can grow up to be kind and professional and courteous and normal and have outside interests like school and marriage and family therapy. And I was really excited to be kind of that pillar and more of the mom on a kid's show. And I had expressed those wants and desires for the show and thought I had been heard. And then once we got into the show, I realized like, oh, that's not the same vision other people have for the show. They really want to highlight things from the past. And I just, to be honest, I just didn't feel like Disney Channel was the place for that. I was like, let this be a kid's show for kids. Let them be the stars. And they were so much more talented as kids than we were. It was like, let them shine. Yeah, it is so interesting because so many shows from that time have come back in certain ways. And it does, it always feels like there is like that middle line where some people want it to be for the next generation. So it's like, yeah, we were the stars of the first. But now we want to kind of pass it down. We'll be there, but it's kind of for a new generation. And then there's, and then there's like, well, we want to be the stars. And it's us and it's all grown up. And we want to cater to the same audience, because we're all older now. Exactly. So it's like, it's hard to tow the line. I feel like right on what what the show ends up being. Like I feel like we saw, like Hillary Dough talk about it when they were going to do Liz McWire again. And she was like, this isn't what I thought it was going to be. And I'm out. Yes. I mean, I think part of wherever the show ends up should dictate that. Like, if you're on HBO, you're not going to make a show for the younger generation. But if you're on Disney Channel, it feels like it should be a show for kids. And, you know, I totally understood the idea that we wanted Easter eggs, and we wanted the idea that people who are now our age with young kids would want to watch it. But everyone's so siphoned off into their own screens now. The idea of monoculture or co-viewing doesn't really exist anymore. It's like kids are watching something on their tablet or on their phone and parents are watching something in the kitchen while they're doing a million other things. So it was kind of hard to tow that line. That is true because we don't have that, you know, Thursday night, sit down. I know. Let's put this on it. Let's put the sitcom on at eight o'clock and I think it would do well if a network just decided to like fully lean into it and be like, yeah, we're going to do co-viewing style. Like we're, you know, there are jokes for the grandparents that are watching and there are still jokes for the eight-year-olds that are watching. We're going to do a two-hour block. I do think it would do well, but no one's willing to take the chance. I know. Especially I feel like with network stuff, it's like, it's so skewed now. To older, they don't think any young person is watching it. No, we can not even talk about a child. They're like, no one's watching me. Well, when I was a kid, I was watching shows that I definitely shouldn't have been watching at that time. You know? Yeah. I look back and I'm like, I don't think I should have been allowed to watch any of that. Yeah. We had some funny conversations where we're like talking about shows and I was like, you're telling me you were watching that line. I'm like, why? I'm like, I'm doing the math. I'm like, how old? Why do I remember the last episode of the sopranos? Like I shouldn't, I shouldn't have been watching the finale episode of the sopranos. Yeah. I remember my parents like watching that or curb, like they would close the doors. Uh-huh. No, it would close the doors to the family room and I'd be like, you're not allowed to watch this. Yeah. No, I just saw it all. Yeah. Whenever we play a movie or something where we know there's a bad word coming in our kids are in the room, Jensen, I just go, ah, really loud. Right at the time when they said, they look at us and I was like, what is that about? I don't know. I just thought that was funny. It actually took me up until this year recently because when stepbrothers came out, I remember like my parents let me watch it with them. But when he puts his balls on the drum set, they were like, cover your eyes. Right. So up until this year, I had never seen his balls on the drum set. Like I always just never, I never, I never, never see, but I knew it was there, but I just always like looked away. And then I remember in the summer, we had some friends over and I was like, you know what I want to watch. I want to watch several, I want to see him put his balls on the drum set because I've never seen it. And I was like, oh, all right, it wasn't there. Yeah. Again, you know, that thrill isn't as exciting now. Sorry, that was such a lectern for you, shocking. Well, we were all watching Boy Mead's World. I had, because it was always on after school for us, because a little bit later, so we caught it all a little bit later on ABC Family, always watched it. And they would always play it like in a row, which was nice. Yeah. And you know, they'd give me two, yes, like it'd be two episodes, maybe on, you know, Tuesday afternoon, but then you knew when you two back in on Wednesday, you were picking up right where they left off. But then you weren't, what are you getting away from giggling about? You're giggling me a little bit. No, I'm thinking about something about Boy Mead's World when I was in school and I just, I, I just remember. Well, you have to tell it. No, it's so silly. It's filling out. No, you have to tell it. Okay, do you remember it? Okay. Okay, okay. Okay, okay. It's just so stupid. I don't even know why I started laughing thinking about it. Do you remember, obviously you remember the episode when it's like the ski trip, right? And Cory has a crush on, like he's with some hang up, but he like sort of has a crush on another girl. This is Lauren. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Fucked up. I remember in 9th grade, I had like a crush on this kid and he liked somebody else. And then one day he told me I was like the girl, the other girl like that Cory had a crush on. Yeah. And I was like, I, I had to go back and watch the episode and I was like, Oh, what is this? He doesn't want to be with me. Yeah, like he did. He just like maybe has a fleeting crush on me, but uh, he doesn't actually want to be with me. Yeah. I was not his to me. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. He really had quite a deep connection with that storyline. He was like, I will never, I was like, Oh, wow, okay. I'm not flattered at all. Actually, I am not your pick. Well, in hindsight, I do think maybe you could have, you should be flattered because we were watching all the episodes of the show. The amount of times we were like, Oh my God, he should clearly be with Lauren. They got along so great. He really listened to her. By the way, this was like, maybe like a two-week crush. Like it wasn't somebody, but of course, I don't know why that just stuck with me forever. No, that is really very funny. And it is something, but in the book, you guys do mention that I'm going to forget who exactly it was, but that someone very early on was like, Corey and Tupeng are getting married. Oh, yeah. I think it was like, showrunner said it immediately. So even, did you guys know that? So early on, or did you find that out later that like no matter what, they wish I would have known that. I would have felt so much more confident in my job security and I know and they had like a five-year plan. But no, I mean, originally Tupeng was only supposed to be in one episode, maybe maximum two or three. And so thinking about the fact I was 12, oh, no, the plan is for you to marry this man. I would have been in contract negotiations. Way sooner. Right, right, right. Like, well, then I'm pretty valuable. Yeah, exactly. No, instead I was like, they're going to fire me just every year. How old were you when you auditioned? 12. 12. Yeah. I was 12. And I was replacing the person who had already gotten the part. That was so interesting to me too that so many characters were replaced. It was very 90s. Now shows will really, you will, there are still possibilities. Of course, that you're going to do a pilot and get replaced. And that if two or three seasons in, they're just going to replace a character. But it happens so much it like more infrequently now than it used to. It used to just be like, you know, this image just doesn't look like what I had in my mind. Let's get rid of that person and put someone else in, right? So yeah, Wilfredell wasn't the original Eric. And I wasn't the original Tpenga, I mean in Lee Norris who played Minkus was let go after season one. None of us had any idea. And it was before the age of cell phones. So we couldn't just like text your friend and be like, man, this sucks. I miss you. It was just like, well, I guess I'll never see you again. True. What's kind of the thing in the 90s where it's like you put on a show and all of a sudden it was, and we're, we're like, it's just a different person. Yeah. And we don't know how to like find out what happened and sometimes you just don't like, you said, like second or third season, it's just a totally different person. First, first, you're like, wait a second. Yeah. Mom, that's a different answer. And then you just go, I guess that's a mystery of the universe. I never know. Exactly. And now there are no mysteries. Yeah. No, no, no, no. And the fan bases and online chatter and everything like with the actors and people's presence, it's, it's, if that deadline announcement of who the cast is is wrong or is different. Right. So I'm sure the casting process maybe just they take even more time because people want to know answers now. They demand answers. So someone's replaced. They're going to demand. We know what happened. We need to know what happened. Do you so do you know what happened to the first of Penga? Yeah. We interviewed her on the podcast. It was actually really, it was really cathartic for both of us because it wasn't until I was like in my 30s that I realized, oh my gosh, me sharing my story of how I became Tepenga is also someone else's story about how they lost a job. And like, actually, how much did that suck for her that this role she booked then became a character that almost defined the show as the relationship with Korean Tepenga. Like, and then she had to see me everywhere to see you with your amazing hair on all the posters and everything. Like, that's haunting. You're like every single boy in America was like, I love to be like, I just thought, oh my gosh, have I been, am I, have I made her life hell? And so it's so interesting to be like, was I the, have I been the villain in her story this whole time? And here I'm telling this story about like, oh, this job and I didn't get it the first audition. And then I had another opportunity and victory and I'm like, oh my god, I'm, I'm evil. Right. So being able to talk to her and, and just say like, what were you told? What was that day like for you? What was that experience like for you, um, you know, and, and giving her the platform and the space to speak her truth of what that has been like for her. And she was very honest and when I said like, was that hard for you? She was like, it sucked my whole life, like, and then when Girl Meets World came about, I thought, are you, she's like, are you kidding me? I can't get rid of this woman again. It's going to happen again because people in her life, anytime something would happen, they would like send her the article, you know, friends, when they think you're, they're being like a really good friend and they send you some shitty article about yourself. And I'm like, thanks. I wouldn't have seen that. I wouldn't have known that was going on, but now I'm going to think about it all night. Yeah. Exactly. Now here's the thing. It's like not your fault at all, right? No. But human nature for someone to be like, this bitch, you know, just, just because who else is she supposed to take it out on? Right? Yeah. But it's not your fault. No. And, you know, yeah, it's, it's not my fault. And she knows that it's not my fault. Right. It was really nice for both of us, and I got to like apologize, like, I, of course, it was not an intentional thing. And you don't have to apologize. It is, but I wanted to do jealousy. No, it's just that I wanted to do jealousy. Yeah. For getting the job, I had nothing to do with that other than being willing to say yes, I'll audition again when I was told there was the part available. But apologizing for the idea that it took me so long to recognize that my going on podcasts and TV shows and talking about my experience only as if it was some life changing amazing moment, it was also life changing for someone else. And so just being able to like take her into consideration there was was nice for both of us. What what did they tell her like was like we're just going in a different direction? So she was told so she heard from her manager or her agent. I don't remember now which position it was, but I think it was our manager that the manager had been told two things. One, that she was not directionable, meaning that the director had said he couldn't direct her in the way that he wanted. And two, that she wasn't cute enough. Oh, God. And she was, yes, see that. That's just. And so, yeah. Also, so 90s. See, the thing is you get told like, hey, we're just going in a different direction. Like you were great, but we just see someone else fine. Yeah, getting told that you're not cute enough. Right. It's just like you could leave that part out. Yeah, I'm 12. Yeah, I don't need to know that. Yeah. And I, you know, there's crazy. There's also like. That's a lifetime of insecurity after that. Absolutely. She continued acting. She's actually comes from an incredibly talented family that is, they're all circus performers. Wow. She is a contortionist. And she is fantastic at it. She's on. Not cute enough, but she's lots of her. And she's beautiful. She's got red hair. Oh my God. That's so cool, though. Wow. What a turn. That really is. 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And I was just burnt out. And toward the end of the show, I had felt really insecure. I had been made to feel very insecure about my body. And I was like, I don't want somebody messing with my hair, messing with my makeup, criticizing my body, putting me in wardrobe fittings, parading me around and making me feel bad about myself as the face of this show. And so I just totally removed myself. And then when I was like, okay, I would actually like to have a career and I don't know how to do anything else. I did not go to college. This is my only skill. Nobody really cared at that point. They were like, who are you? You know, it was like you got a strike while the iron's hot and I had taken several years off. And then I was like, okay, I don't know how to do anything else. And that's when I eventually was like, I want to go to college. Speaking of the body image, the episode, it always comes up with my tech talk now. And I feel like people talk about it more, but the episode where I think it's Eric is like, yeah, yeah, you're gaining weight. And then it's because he just wants to eat the pee. And he's like, what? You're not. You're hot at the end of it. Watching that back now is so crazy. You feel the same way when you see that come up. Well, the funny thing is I carried around so much. I don't even know what the word is, but like anxiety around that episode because that week was so awful. Like I was aware that the men on set who were in power on the show had changed the way they felt about me based on the fact that my body had changed. Like I felt that they were like, this is not good. What are we going to do about this body? Like what are we going to do about the shape? And I was aware that there were conversations going on behind my back about my wardrobe. And like she has always has to wear long sleeves. Her wedding dress is going to have to have long sleeves. And just like covering me up as much as possible. And then I was aware that that was going on, but no one had like said it directly to me. And then Will and I got called into our showrunner's office and he was like, okay, look, obviously you guys have both put on a significant amount of weight. So we're going to write an episode about it. And it's going to be really funny. And Will and I were both like, yeah, great. That sounds awesome. That's really cool. And then we both like walked out of the room together. Look to each other. We're like, this is fine. Right. This is fine. And then both got in our cars and just sobbed. And so I didn't remember actually that the episode ended with everyone saying like, what are you talking about? You look great. This is about him wanting pizza. It actually was just a sad storyline for Eric. Eric was the one who was like, made to feel less than because he had put on weight. I didn't remember any of that. What I remembered was everyone knows I've gained weight. It's bad. They're talking about me. And it's so bad that they're going to write an episode where I they all think I'm pregnant. And I'm wearing my boyfriend's jeans. And I think I weighed like 115 pounds. I was a size four. And I remember just being like, wow, this is crazy. That is really insane. And I can't imagine what you felt as a young woman in that position, especially like being like you said, a bunch of men on set. And you're hyper aware of how they feel about you and how much that can have an effect on you forever really. Like that's not something that just as one bad week. Like as we know as women, like hearing things like that or feeling certain way can last a long time. Totally. And kids are so perceptive. You don't have to look a kid in the eye and tell them what you're thinking. They can piece it together. And so I think I had realized like, oh, all of that previous energy I was getting from the men on set that felt kind of paternal, but also paternal in a way that was like, oh, we love you. And you're, you know, it was rooted also in the idea that they found me to be a physically attractive person. And now they've changed their mind about that. And there's a different energy coming from which then it's weird. It's weird. And you also then associate it with being lovable. You're like, I was lovable then. I'm less lovable now. And you're like 16 16 17. I can't even really imagine like the toll that that takes. Did you have any like outlets at the time or besides maybe family or support like what or did you have to really. No, I swallowed it all because there I was also the 90 was way thin. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was everywhere. And so it was actually uncomfortable to be a curvy or woman in that kind of environment because everywhere I turned it was like, well, yes, all the models look like this. All the actresses look like this. And I definitely don't fit in there. And then of course, you know, I didn't have social media like now having social media on the one hand may have been more brutal. On the other hand, the amount of communities that have said to me like, oh, my God, you were so much by the way so much more attractive than then you are now now you're too skinny, you know, like there are so many people. There is no winning no like I with that like that is just when it comes to unfortunately people's bodies and women's bodies. People always have something to say like no matter which way. Which is really sad and unfortunate that we're still there. But yeah, it's just crazy to think about especially just like the weird feeling you get and especially for you thinking about like a bunch of men sitting in a room. Yeah, what do we write this episode? Yeah, exactly. What are we going to do about this? What are we going to do about this problem? Yeah, yeah, it's like it's and then you look at them and no offense. It's not any better to talk about somebody else's looks, but you're like, really? I'm so glad you're in charge of this episode. Yeah. It really is so true. I mean, were there were there any story lines that you guys all sat down and thought like where are they? Where are they going? Where exactly are they taking these characters right now? I remember there was like a writer really put up a big fight during the episode where Korean Topanga are thinking about losing their virginity on prom night. And writer was making a very strong case for are we not going to mention protection at all in this episode? How is it now? going to come up. Like this is so irresponsible and our showrunner was just absolutely adamant that no it was not we were they were not going to talk about it we were not going to bring it up and he was writer was really putting up a good fight for it and then they ended up talking about it from the standpoint of having a baby oh you don't want to have a baby but not at all like you know safe sex and so I remember writer being good about that I was definitely a lot more of just like whatever I'm an actor we didn't feel very empowered to speak up about storylines or even character stuff will did a little more but he was also four years older so when I was 12 he was 16 when I was 16 he was 20 and he had a lot more freedom to be like I called BS on this I don't want to do that and they were more accommodating for him but I I didn't really ever fight back and it felt like will was also doing other things to you know while he was doing boymeas world there was also other like the Disney yeah I feel like he was maybe a little bit older so like there were other Disney projects yes that pulled him in yeah did you guys ever feel like that and said you're like wow well well well well a busy guy yeah I mean of course will is the one who's still to this day would be doing season 38 of one each year given the opportunity yeah yeah his whole life he knew that he wanted to be a sitcom actor so the fact that he got to do it and he got to do it for seven years he couldn't understand at all why we were burnt out like what is this is the greatest this is the dream and I wish I had some of that because now I look at it and I go yeah it was the dream but anything you do for seven years every single day you know and you start to feel like there's more out there little did I know I was gonna be defined but especially at that age you know what I mean you I feel like every young actor actress goes through the phase of like well I'm moving on from this right and you want to experience more things at that age now I feel like you're so busy you're doing so many different podcasts you're hosting and I and is that something you could see yourself doing forever 100% right like so it's a different when you reach a certain age you could see yourself doing something for a lifetime yeah enjoy yes and so much of it is having agency you know it's like like you guys know when you get to create a podcast that's your create you have input and it's your ideas and of course you have help but like it's yours you own it yeah being able to own my likeness yeah and express who that what that is and and do it in so many different ways it's like yeah I want to be me forever right what is your favorite thing you're doing right now because you really have your hands on it all yeah I know it's so much fun I mean it's hard to say I obviously love doing all of the meets world things we get to do because the fact that I get to do it with my two best friends is like what a dream so of course the book we have a documentary coming out next year which I'm excited and so yeah that's really fun and then I I'm the hosting stuff my podcasts I love them even doing the American Idol podcast is amazing I have a couple of TV shows that I might go back to acting so I have a couple of TV shows in the works that are I'm excited about oh that's awesome we love yeah we love seeing you everywhere and I feel like I mean after last year with Dancing with the Stars it just catapulted and do you do you miss it at all now every single day every single day yeah I mean I on the one hand it's really nice on Tuesday night so like look at me and my sweats and my popcorn and then I'm like look at me and it's so fun to root them all on and Kasha obviously still being in it with Amber and I'm having such an amazing season and Danny with Ezra it's like I'm stoked the we love both of those parents so much they've been so good I know that they're your obvious answers for the for the people you're rooting for this season but was there anyone else say you Tatiana now yeah Tatiana Tatiana I I couldn't love her more and she is the definition of what I think makes Dancing with the Stars amazing she is someone who you know you love but you've never seen in this light before and I think if you look at her from week one to where she is now it has been a full journey and a full arc and we've seen her grow into her self we've seen her blossom in front of our eyes I'm her attitude from like like the package from episode one verse now it's totally you know it's so different like you could feel her her nerves and some insecurities and the things that she was like nervous about and now it just seems like her and Yon are having so much fun it's it's so it's really nice yeah did you know have you known her for a long time or you just I'm sure there's some oh yeah definitely some overlap in the 90s yeah we've known each other and then yeah we had overlap obviously in the early aughts as well and yeah we've been in and out of each other's lives forever and so I was already going into it like yeah but I had no idea just how much I was going to fall in love with her on the show yeah they're great I'm obsessed with the two of them together and Yon cracks me up like I just can't get enough he's such a perfect package because he's so funny but he also is very sensitive and he's like he will have your back yeah I'd I love him so he really he just unintentionally too was like so funny the Leopards he's the Leopards he posted a story he was like watching TV and the TV was like propped up on like a cardboard box or something yeah and he was like don't worry guys like I I will get furniture he's like after the season's over then I'll get furniture obviously I'm busy right now very busy have you found it hard to kind of keep your thoughts like to yourself a little bit with a lot of discourse this season I feel like there's been so much happening I didn't know they could even get more discourse but there has been more has there been times you're like I want to say something or I don't want to say something like how do you balance that I mean yes and no on the one hand I know all of the inner workings of the show very well and I know all of the people very well so there are times I want to say something when I want to defend people and I want to say and by the way I kind of want to defend all of the people I right sometimes on both sides of an argument I'm like hold on we get into the psychology of what's going on here you have to realize this and then you have to realize that and then you have to realize this and this and like so and then on the other hand I go no one wants no one cares yeah I don't need to be one more voice just because I was on set once doesn't mean I need to give my two cents you're making out these videos like well actually what I want you to bring up such a great point in the fact that like people forget that there can be two sides to an argument and you can look at both sides and find out where each person is coming from and somebody could be right and wrong at the same time that the internet does not no nuance there is not exists no none and by the way there's a difference between doing a shitty thing and being a shitty person yes and sometimes that gets lost and and so yeah I I have though the season been more outspoken because I'm not on it and I didn't want when I was on the show I did not want people to think I was in any way like pandering for votes so I really underplayed my injury I was like I'm letting this go under the radar and we're looking back and I'm like we should maybe who knows you know but I also didn't want to talk too much about how I felt that the women are maybe more harshly yeah criticize not only by the judging but also by the audience yes one hundred percent one thousand percent yeah we've been talking about this the way they treat the grown men on the show like they are two like babies they're like oh it's like how does that happen and how does it happen and maybe it wouldn't hurt for you know that's something I would like to just throw my two cents in to the judging is like if one of you is going to give the constructive criticism or one of four for a person know that maybe if all four of you when there's a guest judge if all four of you give a criticism down the line to that one person yeah and then the next person goes and you you're like you know I really I enjoy you dancing it's good pick up your feet a little more it's really fine and then no one else says anything it's like that one person has now been their entire time in front of the judges was being told something in a different way that they need to improve on you no matter what you walk away like I guess it wasn't great meanwhile it could have been definitely better than the person who goes right after you so maybe just pick and choose like oh if you're gonna tell her that she should articulate her arms I'm gonna say something really positive yeah just to bounce it out a little bit right and but it also I totally got what you're saying and you're right but then there's also that if a judge says something like one judge says gives criticism and the other is positive then that judge gets ripped apart and then you're like that's true to you're like well somebody's got to give criticism I know but so I'm sure that I'll tell me that it doesn't have to be the one you have to be like they don't have to carry in is always and you know like and then they don't have like Bruno doesn't have to like they they can sort of share some of those I love Bruno he's so fun I would love for him to like sternly give like a harsh criticism once in a while just so it breaks it up a little bit this most stern thing he says is there was a mess up there you know it you know it you know where it was you just gave like a stern I know what you know it we also have the time by the way like I don't know I don't know who did that happen to the other night. Jenna, with the dress. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Her dress got caught. The director noticed and gave her a 10, and then-- And everyone else gave nice, because they were like, there was a little mist happen. I was like, where was the mist? Yeah, it was Danny and Esra. No, no, no, Jenna and Jenna. And Jenna don't want about her dress got stuck. Oh, her foot got stuck in the dress again. And the director didn't see and gave her a 10. Everyone else gave her a 9. Which is interesting, because you're like the dress. Isn't it like we saw the dress thing? And we're like, I'm like, I didn't see the dress thing. And you're just like, the dress isn't really her fault. I saw the dress thing and was like, wow, you got to get a 10 for that. Yeah, you got stuck in your dress. And you got out of it with Danny and Esra. I'm like, how did she spun and all the-- everything that was caught-- Uncaught. I know. I know. Yes, that asked him, because I have interviewed him. I asked him. I said, do you think your blade did it cut the beads off? Because I don't see how it's possible. They all could have been that tangled and then un-tangled in that one second. But he was like acutely aware. It was happening while it was happening. And Danny was blissfully unaware. Wow. He's like, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. You know what, they saved a big time. You know what, I also think would have been-- would be so fun. Is I do kind of think a fourth judge would be-- I love the fourth judge. And I know it's fun to have like the guest judge and it's a new face every week. But I feel like there's been so many people who have come in that could do-- like Kim Johnson, I think, is unreal. She could 100% be a fourth judge. Shirley Ballas, I know she's busy. I know. I know she's busy. But what a joy that was. Because it was like a little bit of a gut check. Yeah, everybody was like, we all could be like this. Yeah. I'd also love to see, yes, you got an eight or a nine this week. Next week, why is it unacceptable for you to get a six or a seven? Totally. It's like you could go down. You can go down because you don't may not look great in this dance. And you could be so good at a waltz and so bad at a jive. It's almost like the judges, the pros, the stars, and the audience only to sit in one big live meeting. It's not over zoom. Like if you plan on watching the next season, you have to join this Zoom meeting. So we can go over all the rules. It's like a parent family conference. And we can all get it on the same page. A parent teacher conference, and we all say, let's all remember that this is a show for fun and entertainment. And we all don't have to get so upset if something-- there's a little mishap or a little mishap. And it's not a perfect straight line up to a 10. It's going to be a roller coaster. Yes, exactly. All right, we'll set up the meeting. OK, I'd like that, consider this the meeting. Yeah, we'll consider this meeting. We'll blast everyone is listening. They are, they are. They absolutely are. But we're so excited that you were here with us. The book meets world, you can get now. Yes, it is available. Now, what's the audio component to it? We all read the audio book. We split it up at 3rd and 3rd, yeah. I love that. OK, so that's great too. So because I know obviously a lot of people love to do audio. And I'm sure you can get the book wherever. You sure can, wherever books are sold. Yes, it makes a great Christmas gift for anybody who likes boy meets world. Yeah, that's what really is. Danielle, thank you so much. Thank you. Everybody follow Danielle and keep up with everything she's doing. It's hard to keep up with because she's everywhere. But make sure you are. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you, Danielle. The world's too loud, too filter, too fake. But not here, not with us. 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I love this going to be great. So it's going to be 15 questions. If you get the question right, you get the point. If you get a wrong other team, you can still the point. Whoever has the most points at the end wins. To determine who goes first, Noah's going to give us a movie. We're going to guess the Rotomato's critic score of the movie. Whoever's closest will go first, which could our own individual guess. We will alternate between teams for guesses. So Noah, what is today's movie? Today's movie is Cadet Kelly. Oh, Cadet Kelly. All right, so what do you want to do? What do you guys guess first? You go. 72. 36. Blast 70 guys. This is not how I feel about the move or wait. What did you say? Said 72 and then 46. I'm going to go 45. 53. Both of you are 44% off. It's 49. Oh, so what do you do here? Do we go to Ty goes to the under or do we do another movie? I don't know. I don't know. Is this ever happened? No, all right. Just pick another movie. I think we get another movie. The first one that comes to top your head. Friends with benefits. OK. All right, you guys guess first. We'll go back to our beginning cadence with Justin Timberlake. Yes. OK. 61, 91, 71, 79. 55. 61 is close. 69. Nice. Nice. All right. All right, you guys are going first. All right. OK, question number one to Jess and Maddie. Shout out Jake from Baltimore. At the end of the movie, this is the end. What famous musical artist is performing in heaven? Can you be performing in heaven? I know Rihanna was in the movie, but-- But why was she in heaven? Maybe she is. Let's just say Rihanna. Final answer. Final answer. Incorrect. Oh, well, what was the question? At the end of this is the end. Oh. She's performing in heaven, the end of the movie. Oh. It says shit. What they all do? Oh, god. Is it like a Celine Dion? There's something. I don't remember. I feel like I always shut it off before it gets to the very end. I've seen this movie a million times. Same, but only like the beginning and middle. I don't know why, always after. I just guess, Celine Dion, final answer. Incorrect. It's the factory, boys. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They got the wings. OK, still 0-0. Question number two to re-enfriend. Shout out Akeela from Philly. Hope I said that correctly. Word for word. Repeat the 15 words Jennifer Lawrence commented at Conorwood. I saw you drinking a smoothie on 8th Ave. And you paid me no mind, final answer. Incorrect. Just a minute. That was exactly what I was going to say. OK. All right, I saw you drinking a smoothie. That's one short. How many so many words? 15. Those were four. I don't know how to count. What is like one word? That's such a sigh. I saw you drinking. I saw you drinking a smoothie. 10 seconds. Is there like an actual you with this movie? Time is up. Nothing. Nothing. That was nice. You get the order right here. I saw you on 8th Ave. Drinking a smoothie and you paid me no mind. Drinking a smoothie. Damn. All right, who am I drinking now? OK. We're right now. Question number three to Justin Maddie. Shout out Natalie from Chicago. Name this TV show based off its IMDB description. A neurotic mid 20s sub sub, hold on. A neurotic mid 20s sub, oh my god. I can't read the word suburban. No, no, no, no, no. Suburbanite. OK. Suburbanite. Jesus Christ. Sorry, guys. A neurotic mid 20s sub suburbanite is one of those days. It's one of those days for me. For you, yeah, yeah. A neurotic mid 20s-- honestly, this is describing me, except I'm at mid 20s. A neurotic mid 20s suburbanite is convinced that he's destined to be one of the greatest rappers all time. Now he's only got to prove it to everyone else. What is that? That's what I'm thinking. What? What I'm thinking? Oh, yeah. What's it called? No. because it's totally his name. - I have no idea what the show is called. - 15 seconds. - Oh. - I'm not his name. It's not in the title. - In the series. (laughing) - In the series. - Dave. - Dave, final answer. - Correct. - What is his real name? - I was watched, I was like in the name. - He's not in the title. - Lips of us. - From that show this past weekend and I was like, that would be a good trivia question. I don't know why. - Really? - Great. - Is it over? - Yeah, it's been over. - It's been over. - I feel like after the first season, I don't like it as much, but, okay. Well, nothing really in frame. Question number four to them. Shout out, Bridget from Chicago. What is the name of Britney Spears debut album? - Is this our question? - Mm-hmm. - I am so bad that I don't know this. 1999. - Lucky? - 15 seconds. - Ow. Who said it again? Was it a name of a song? Or was it something else? - Five seconds. - Britney? - I don't think it's Britney. I don't think it's her self-titled. - Time is set. - Lucky, final answer. - Incorrect. It's a Jessamatti. - Do you wanna go with me? - Yeah. - Go one more time. - Final answer. - Final answer. - Incorrect. It's baby one more time. - Oh, man. - Dot, dot, dot baby one more time. - Yeah, baby, dot, dot, dot. - So close. - And that's that's brutal. - Yeah, that's top. - It's a picture in my head. - Yeah. - Okay. It is still one nothing real in frame. Question number five to Jessamatti. Shout out Sam from L.A.J. Georgia. - Put these famous steves in order from youngest to oldest. Steve Carell, Steve Harvey, Steve Buscemi, Steve Zon. - Okay, Steve Buscemi. - What a list of steves. - I would love to have a drink with those steves. (laughing) Steve Carell is the oldest. - Wait, can you, sorry. Can you save a minute? - Steve Carell, Steve Harvey, Steve Buscemi, Steve Zon. - I think Harvey or Buscemi is the oldest. - 60 seconds. - Buscemi. - Zon Carell. - Zon Carell. - Yeah. - Buscemi. - Harvey. - Okay. - Youngest. - Youngest oldest. - Okay. - Steve Zon. Oh my god, what is it? - Zon. - Zon. - Correct. - For about two seconds, yeah. - Zon, we're telling Carell, Buscemi. - Harvey. - Final answer. - Final answer. - Correct. - Wow. - That's all we need. - Steve Zon is 58, Carell is 64, Buscemi 68, Harvey 69. - They know their Steve's. - Okay, question number six to re-infran. Shout out Kelsey from Lakewood Ranch, Florida. What actress has had all of these actors as a love interest? Jason Siegel, Justin Timberlake, Mark Wahlberg. - Melaconus. - Yeah, it is Melaconus. Final answer. - Correct. - Now the friends with benefits. - Yeah, now there's another thought about French head. - And forgetting Sara Marshall. - Yeah, forget to say Marshall. - Okay, two one, re-infran. Question number seven to Justin Maddie. Shout out Sara from Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania. - In Friends, what type of vehicle did Phoebe inherit from her grandmother, Frances? - Taxi. Final answer. - Correct. - Even I knew that one. - I was gonna put that in the live show and then I thought, "I don't know if this is easier or hard." - We're, but I have a, yeah. - Oh, wait, no, that arm. I have a Friends tattoo. - Oh, wow. - That's cool. - I was gonna say, I'm a much more of a casual fan, but I was like, "Ah!" I know this one too. - It's hide-up at two. Question number eight to re-infran. Shout out Kim from Birmingham, Michigan. List the following Billboard year and Hot 100 Top Songs in Chronological Order. Levitating by Dua Lipa. Old Town Road by Lil Nas X. God's Plan by Drake. Blinding lights by the weekend. Just four years in a row. - Okay, so is it the top song? The, in what order they came out? Chronological order. - Okay, so it's God's Plan blinding lights, Old Town Road, and then Levitating. I, uh. - Oh, God, blinding lights. Oh, it's blinding lights after Old Town Road. - I don't know. - Yeah, okay, maybe. - Okay, I'm gonna say God's Plan, Old Town Road. - Blinding lights. - Blinding lights. - Levitating. - Levitating, fine lines, sorry. - Correct. - Nice. - It's 2018 to 2021. - Nice. - Okay, three, two, Rianne Franne. We'll back and forth here. Question number nine to Jess and Maddie Shadows, Sarah from Boston. Who was Amy Pollard's first ever guest on our podcast? Good hang. - Oh, I don't know. - I literally just listened to this. - No. - No. - No, not first. - Okay. - It's a, it's definitely an OG. - Yeah. - 15 seconds. - Here we go. - Yeah. - Rachel Drench. - Question mark, final answer. - Infer. - I think it's Tina Fey. 'Cause remember she made the comment about the glasses and went viral and it was like my first episode. - Yeah. - I think if we're both thinking Tina Fey, I like Tina Fey. - But at that point when she had Tina Fey on, she was talking about like Tina Fey was like, you know, all these people have side things. And then Amy Pollard was like like me with this podcast. - Right, right. - So I don't know if it was already established at that time. - But if it's our only guest. - Yeah. - Yeah. - All right, Tina Fey, final answer. - Correct. - Okay. - Makes sense. - Yeah. - Who's fixing offices first, the official guest? - Austin Stoll. - But that was in the podcast, I guess. That was like a video. - Yeah. - Well, we don't have the time to go back. - I mean, yeah, yeah, I can't believe that. - If you don't accept that answer, then I don't have an answer. - Yeah. - Yeah, honestly Drake Bell is one of the first ones I remember. - Yeah, but like, - Yeah, but he was too. - Yeah. - Yeah, that was all, yeah. - Lindsay Hubbard. - I might've been with Katie Maloney. - Yeah. - Yeah, Pranko Chopra's up there too. Anyways, four, two, re-enfriend. - For most of us cold weather is back, but I am not dreading it this year because I've got bombas. They make socks, slippers, and footwear that keep you feeling cozy and snug, all winter long, and everything they make is great for gifting, so I'm not stressed about the holidays. Bombas make slippers for staying cozy inside and now they make footwear for going out and about from fuzzy Sunday slippers for lounging around in to water-resistant sway booties that can handle the winter. Bombas socks are a winter go-to. The marina wool and casual blend socks for warmth fuzzy socks and plush grip socks for cozy vibes at home. During winter, I have a cozy uniform. I want to be in all fuzzy. I want fuzzy socks. I want my nice sweatpants, my good sweatshirts. I'm obsessed with being cozy, so my bombas are a non-negotiable. And the best part about bombas for every item you purchase, they donate an essential clothing item to someone facing housing insecurity. One purchase equals one donated with over 200 million donations and counting. Head over to bombas.com/cito and use code CITO for 20% off your first purchase. That's B-O-M-B-A-S dot com/cito code CITO at checkout. Question number 10 to them. I'm going to play a movie clip and you tell me what movie it's from. And look at all the things that you do. I mean, you're a classic overachiever. And what is this good at everything? But I'm supposed to always be perfect. Do you realize how hard it is to be me? It is not easy being the best at so many things. Please create it everything. Life sucks. Be part of being humanist. Life sucks. Final answer. Correct. It's life-size. I hate when you do that. Real loves-- when it hits-- When it hits her, when it hits her, she loves the company. Life-size. Life-size. I might not allow to say what I think it is before the club's over. I don't know about it. It's like-- No one has ever made that a rule. No, there's no rule. It's just, you know, common courtesy. OK. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding, bro. That's all right, that's all right. All right, five, two. Question number 11 to Justin Maddie. Shout out Sarah from Boston again. What is David Archie led his highest charting song on Spotify? I don't think I could say one. What does he do? What does he do? He's like heartbreak something. I think with this be crush. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. By David Archie. Yes. By David Archie. Yes. I can think it's crush. Final answer. Correct. Correct. Do you know how it goes? Great tune. No. I couldn't take it for you right now. But when you said that, I was like crush. David Archie. The only thing I know. Yeah, I get him mixed up with the guy from American Idol who is now like you said they're both from American Idol We oh, yeah, but that's why the one that your dad likes Adam Lambert. Oh, God, they are so different Adam Lambert are not even in this team's atmosphere different. Yeah, they are so different Excuse me, please respect Adam Lambert next time you mentioned his name. Uh-huh. Yeah Cook or something right no, oh my god, do you want to let an Adam Lambert on one person you? God that is offensive Okay, six to re-enfriend question number 12 and this is to re-enfriend shout out Kelsey from Evansville, Indiana in Wizards of Waverly place. What is the first name of Alex's best friend Harper Harper final answer, correct. What is it on the full name? Harper Mel Collins The publishing house That's why it's not familiar Okay, sorry. Did I answer that one too quick for you? No Question number 13 you guys did win, but we're gonna continue the game here Question number 13 to Jessi Maddie. What was her last name? Oh, Finkel. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, shout out page from Connecticut In Ratatouille, what was the name of chef Gusto's cookbook that inspired Remy? Anyone can cook. Yeah, yeah, anyone can cook anyone can cook. Final answer, correct. So close the back and forth here was so close Anyone can listen you guys get the final two right that that's a respectable game. Yeah, five Yeah, no, okay, question number 14 to re-enfriend shout out Hayley from Iowa and Molly from NYC There are only three calendar months Taylor Swift has yet to explicitly name in a song lyric. Can you name one? A month she's never mentioned correct. Oh, I feel like she's never mentioned April No, she where was I on April 29th. Oh, yeah, March 15 seconds February definitely That's up January. Yes June five seconds June Maybe June Times June June final answer What did you say we said June wasn't it three three? March March final answer March March May, October. Ah, I would have thought she would have said October by now. Yeah I'm surprised that may yeah may just rhymes with so many things. Mm-hmm. Yeah She probably has said the word May before but not the month. Not the month. No double entendre Okay, question number 15 and it is seven four re-enfriend and this is two Jess and Maddie shout out Maggie from Halifax Nova Scotia Canada Inoff campus what nickname does Hannah use for her old car that John Logan help It's a blue baroo Correct Damn, they got those final two I wrote that as a trivia question to send to you. Wait, really? This is a year. Wow She says you said it after this. Oh really? That's crazy. Damn. Wow. A good question. Good way to go. I have known that one. No, I actually Did know that one. Yeah Just because my friend also had a car growing up That she called a blueberry and then I'd always reminded me of that. Yeah. Okay, final score seven five That's a good game. That was a good back before right there. What a way to go out honestly very respectable like Noah said Thank you guys so much. You're playing. Thank you for coming to our shows. We appreciate it so much We hope to see you guys soon and you still get merch. So just tell Noah your address and sizes and we'll get that sent to you. Hey, thank you guys. Thank you guys. Bye. Hi All right, that wraps up today's episode of Chicks in the office. Thank you so much for watching and listening We love you guys so very much Just a little reminder no Friday episodes the rest of this month because of tour and then Thanksgiving But then December we're back But we do have a Monday and Wednesday next week and the week after as well So you will get two episodes just not three and not one you'll get two Whoo-hoo, whoo. Love you guys. All right. Bye. Satya Monday. Yeah, chicken in the office A long time listener First time crawler Look at the charts who does the best two chicks getting paid in reality checks You can find them at the gym. It's not even a flex last minute red carpet. Flew them out on the jet Yeah, they're who you want to be. They're always on your screen two queens and they might be spilling royalty A lot of topics that are popping here to get into I know a show that you probably want to listen to turn the heat up Turn the beat up record the pie made a bag put their feet up the ones that leave no crumbs when they clean up Who's the pie that they all want to meet up who turn the heat up Turn the beat up records the pie made a bag put their feet up the ones that leave no crumbs when they clean up Who's the pie that they all want to meet up Who's the pie that they all want to meet up