DSA CIVIL WAR Plans Exposed, WHITE POWDER Sent To Congress Sparks CHAOS w/ Rollo Tomassi

[MUSIC] Over the past several days, there's been a lot of attention, at least in law enforcement. For some reason, not the media, that there are hundreds or over a hundred letters with white powder in them being set to members of Congress. And I'm just going to, you know, probably shouldn't say exactly where I was, but I was in Grand Rapids over the weekend. And I'm in Grand Rapids and I see the breaking news that the member of Congress, in Grand Rapids, was set this letter with white powder, and a threat from the DSA that they are fomenting a civil war. A member of Congress, Democrat, no less, said they were, this is terrorism from the far left, from the DSA, and they call in the DSA to denounce this. Or I believe it is believed there's over a hundred or more of these letters in circulation. Thirty plus have been set to varying members of Congress. And this coming right at the time, data Republican said she has information, documents, and recordings of leftist individuals discussing their operational plan to foment a civil war in this country. And I'm sitting here like, y'all made fun of me, y'all laughed at me. Well, who's laughing now? No one's laughing, now this is freaky stuff. You know, I'm in the car with the boys on the way to the brand new studio here in D.C. And I'm like, how come no one's talking about 36 letters with white powder being sent to all these members of Congress two weeks out from a midterm? I'm turning on the news, not hearing much about it, but it's in every major publication. So I have to wonder. So we'll talk about that in my friends at the same time. Of course, I mentioned data Republicans got new information pertaining to leftists fomenting a civil war. And they're explicitly stating their plan is to riot in the United States, the likes of which you've never seen, to force Donald Trump to cross a red line, which they can use to de-legitimize the Trump administration and the American government. At the same time, Donald Trump is, uh, well, he's saying he's got nothing to do with the Elhan Omar stuff. But Elhan Omar is being investigated. We've apparently got a statement from the family now, DNA evidence. And it's looking like it's looking bad. There's a viral post right now that purports to be DHS and USCIS documents, which state there is no record of Elhan Omar's father being a naturalized citizen. One of these documents has exhibit L on it. So it's purportedly grand joint materials. I don't know for sure, but these are all going massively viral suffice to say it's a particularly contentious time. So we're going to talk about all of that, my friends, uh, and more because we do have updates on AI and all that stuff and, uh, Nick Shirley receiving $10,000 from Donald Trump. Look at that. So smash the like button, my friends, share the share with all your friends, joining us tonight to talk about this. And everything else is rollo Tomassi. Hey, thanks for having me back. Yeah. Who are you? What do you do? October surprise. That's who you are. I'm your October surprise. No, I mean, I mean, the, uh, yeah, I always, we're not supposed to call it rice and is it rice? And what is it? Did we find out white powder? White powder. So far, they said it wasn't hazardous. So we know, you know, we still have powder sugar for all you know, but it's terrorism because the point of the letters is, it's to invoke fear, but it's, it's hit Democrats and Republicans. So they've traced it to North Texas and, uh, it appears that the, the, the letters purported to be DSA. The DSA has disavowed this, but it doesn't matter because the chaos is the point. Anyway, uh, yeah. Who are you? What do you do? I am a role, Tomassi. I am the author of the rational male series of books. I got six of them out. I have a program that helps guys, uh, call it a reignite. We help, uh, gentlemen between the ages of about, yeah, 40, 45 and 65 guys sort of reintegrate themselves after a, uh, bad divorce, um, and, uh, I'm also, hopefully we can talk about this a little bit today. Uh, I've got my own, uh, AI engine now called the rational male engine. And I know recently you were just talking about, um, uh, AI and whether it's going to kill us all. No, just, just real quick, we're not going to get into a big, uh, in big on the show, but George Oaxopoulos. He's a good dude. He's a friend, but he's very, very, very anti AI. And in response to a clip from my interview with Jim Norton, he posted a crudely drawn participation trophy under it. The point was out, I was, it was about, you know, AI taking over and all these things to which I responded with a vector image of a trophy. And I said, didn't cost me one cent and, and, and, and invariably, I get a ton of responses from people who all say it's disgusting. It's ugly. You're missing the point. That's not real art. The image that I posted was made by a human. The point is, you can't tell you, you can't tell. And what's happening now is these people are like, AI is bad and I can prove it. And then when you show them something that's human made, they'll go, see that's ugly and you're like, yeah, that human made that one. And then you show them the AI one and they're like, oh, that one looks pretty good. It's all on how you use it. It's getting crazy. We're going to talk about all that stuff. We've got the boys hanging out. He's here. Hi. Yeah. So, say Brown, you're holding it down. What's going on, everybody? Yeah, David Carlson, pleasure to join you guys. I'm a digital strategist in all things political. No, no, I would you call me local wonk. Local wonk. Local wonk. We got this, I think this fifth year's me a rotating cast and I was like, you know what? I think David DC. It's in the name. DC. David Carlson. I mean, I saw Brian kill me on the way up in here. It's like I'm walking in. He beat up Brian. Yeah, I agree. We're privileged. I had this like air pressure rocket launcher like foam thing and like we're goofing off trying to get through and he walks he walked past us and I you know, I don't want to disparage the man, but it did look like he had disdain for us goofing off like, here is in this nice suit coming from Fox and like there goes the neighborhood. Yeah, there goes the neighborhood like he's walking in like it makes me wonder what they're going to think. Like when you guys are jamming like we're we're just you know, in the other room there. Oh, we were. Yeah. Everything makes me wonder what the president. We got 24 seven access to the studio too. We haven't given it. That's a hell of a way to warm up too. That was awesome. Oh, I know Brian is going to be like, well, I, I don't want to, I don't want to speak out of the man. He didn't say anything. We love Brian kill me to preach. Yeah. Yeah, he probably wasn't thinking anything about us. Yeah, I just want to say that because it sounds like where there goes the neighborhood because it's prestigious, you know, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're sneaking in. He's nice. Oh, make a wish is in the building. That's great. All right. We're going to get all that news and stuff before we do get a great sponsor for you. It's tax network. USA, my friends. Do you have the IRS having filed in years or do you just want to know exactly where you stand? It's definitely a way to find out without the guesswork right now as a limited promotion for just $49 a $500 value tax network. USA pulls your actual IRS data and builds you a free tax strategy. 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Take control before they base the terms for you. It takes two minutes to get started. Visit TNUSA.com/Tim or click the link below and enter promo code Tim at checkout shout-outs. Thanks for sponsoring the show guys, but let's jump into the news. We've got this from the Guardian, holy smokes, more than three dozen congressmembers offices sent envelopes containing white powder. Envelopes containing powder come weeks before the midterms as federal agents try to identify who's behind the cane campaign. Congresswoman Hillary Shulton, the Grand Rapids in Grand Rapids, Michigan says, this is press released. Today, Congresswoman Hillary Shulton received a threatening letter at her Grand Rapids Michigan office that contained unidentified white powder. The letter which claimed to be from the DSA made a direct and specific reference to an impending civil war beginning after the election. The letter sent to congresswoman Shulton is similar to those received at other congressional offices across the country. The DSA has not yet addressed the attacks well. As of this moment, they've denied them. Excuse me, she says, "My first thoughts today are with my staff who opened the mail and the first responders at the scene. Everyone is safe. The people who work in congressional offices are public servants. They work every day to help constituents and serve their communities. No one should ever feel unsafe doing that work. I'm thankful to law enforcement for their professionalism and I'm proud of my team for staying calm and looking after one another." Now we also have this, another story we'll get into it just a bit, but in the context of civil war, data republican releasing information of leftists and liberals planning to foment a civil war. So this is all in line with what we're seeing. We'll get into that story in just a minute, but for the time being, my first question is like, guys, this happened over the weekend, 30 plus letters full of white powder sent to all these members of Congress. This one specifically threatening civil or referencing an impending civil war, saying it's from the DSA, what's going on? It's tough to really, I mean, this is happened often. I feel like this is something that maybe happens often is like a schizophrenic starts mailing stuff to Congress people because their address is, like I assume it went to her office, right? And they're addresses of public, no many crazy people are in this country. I'm not necessarily downplaying, but anyone can mail a bag of sugar to a congressman and a woman and say you're a member of such and such organization, right? the concern then is how do we function as a country when one random crazy person can do one random crazy thing throwing a wrench in the entire system of governance. Oh, it's very sad. That's surveillance. That's usually the answer. Do we know? No, down from above. Do we know the like the political ideology of the people who received these is an all-republic revolt? Yeah, it's like uniparty. Yeah. Shultons would be center laughed broadly. Like, like, you know, Clinton, liberal. I was just wondering if they're particularly targeting conservatives. I got no, no, no. She's a Democrat. It turned out on the anthrax scare after 9/11. You guys might, within like, I don't know, a month or two after 9/11, they got a bunch anthrax got mailed to Washington, D.C. by somebody and it was like, "Terrace, terrace, terrace." And that scared everybody. And I don't know who did it or if it was even anthrax. I don't think it was anthrax. They thought it was anthrax. But they used it as like to bang the war drums to go garner support for, to destroy the way. And so when I see this stuff, that's what I think. Somebody, it's either, I don't know, but it seems like a false flag. It was two weeks out from midterms. Your senators from the DSA, and then I can see the S being spelled backwards like who, who, how would they see, but hold on, Occam's razor, why would you assume that? Because of the anthrax scare after 9/11, like, I don't trust any of this garbage. So, so the, the issue is the immediate assumption one should make is the one that, the simple solution I should say, the immediate, your thought process. Should be the front and center. Should be this could be from the DSA. Yeah. Should be evidence suggests a, a, a, a, a single individual democratic socialist angry with Democrats and Republicans, sent out these letters. Next we can argue, is it a false flag? Is there a right wing person is trying to frame the left for some reason, but that again is not making an assumption straight forward. The probability lies with DSA doing this, especially when you consider the data Republican release. What's that all about? Do you have them for? We're going to, I mean, we've got a lot to break down on that. So I'm just referencing it. We'll, we'll cover that in the videos. But basically it's a massive trove of conversations, documents, recordings of DSA saying we are going to start a civil war through mass chaos, riots, and forcing the, the, the president into position where he delegitimizes himself. That's the rules for radical Saul Inske's book about how to overthrow tyranny is, is you want to act so, so far you want to step so close to the line that you get the, the government to crack down with a fascist attack and then you can be like, see their fascists. We told you. Like, event kind of thing, so you need a flashpoint kind of thing. No, but think about it this way though, like all last week, the hotness in the news was the riots going on in France, which I believe are still going on in France right now. Well, they put a bunch of lockdowns in place. Right. But then you go and you look at other sort of hot, hot flashpoint places as well. So you've got what Italy was, was one of those or, yeah, I'm a lot, I'm trying to think I wasn't Belgium was one of them as well. And so it's kind of like, I saw, I don't know if it's a meme still, but I just kept seeing like all these different videos and it was like, this is Belgium, this is France, this is Italy, this is, and then of course, the, what's the, what's the next thing you're supposed to, like the logical conclusion is, oh my God, it's coming here. Now you have the DSA saying, oh, yeah, we're going to start, we're going to start a civil war. Oh, you mean like all those other countries that I saw last week, and so now it sounds plausible. And again, why are we hearing this two weeks before the midterm election? Yeah. Well, it's weird from the perspective. Just decided to get all agitated. Yeah. Well, it's interesting. I mean, but if you're, you know, if you are a DSA member, I don't know why you feel back into a corner right now, because you're taking over the, you know, the most powerful political party in the entire world, the Democrat party, you're on the cusp of having basically complete control. I mean, after this, after this midterms and with a lot of DSA candidates on the ballot, I guess it depends on how things go and Michigan, if they'll say, you know, if you're DSA, you're, you're pretty happy right now and so far as the future of your sub movement within the Democrat party is, I mean, the ceiling sky high. I think we're going to see things like this as well as mass writing, the likes of which we've, we've not seen in maybe ever, uh, next year. Yeah. Well, I would just say that, you know, talking about who it is, what it is, the information we have right now is DSA aligned. I would just, I wouldn't be shocked because if you look at Europe, you look at what they're doing to the American right already, and then you compare it to what the Democrats are saying, people like slotkin, who isn't really DSA, just a little while ago, her and Senator Kelly, we're telling the military to refuse Trump's orders, you know, committing treason. And then just a couple days ago, she comes out and she says, we're going to jail junior Republican staffers. And then we have the DSA, who is obviously violent and obviously advocating for something totally radical in American life. And the way I view this is if you're the DSA, why would you do it? Well, you do it because why wouldn't you? We're trying to scare these people. Yeah. We're trying to scare Democrats and Republicans into doing what they want, which is, and it's always easy to go, oh, it wasn't us. It's fake. Yeah. Totally. And their followers are going to believe it, but the ones that are in the known that wanted to happen are laughing. Yeah, because I think you're right. Right off false flag because it's like, let's just, you know, I don't think the Trump ministers would ever do do anything like that. Let's just imagine that they were to conduct a false flag. It would be from an Iranian. It'd be like, hey, I'm Mr., I'm a big, I had told a fan, and I'm mailing, you know, bombs and people like, that's what it would look like if the Trump administration, if you think about what they need right now, the number one thing they need right now is support for this war. So if they were going to do something like that, you know, he would see it. So this, that doesn't really, I don't know, it doesn't really square with me if it were to be a false flag. I think it's likely that it's either a lone wolf who's crazy or, yeah, someone within the DSA line. The next question is, let's say this is a singular, a single lone wolf leftist. What does it say that the DSA is inspiring people to do things like this? So again, there's a concept called a standalone complex. It's when a group of people all do something similar. So it appears they're acting in concert, but in fact, they're each individual actions. So when it comes to, you know, like, 2020 election is a good example, people were highlighting these weird videos of someone doing like vote, counting, or signature verification, and they're screaming it's a conspiracy. Look, this person isn't actually reviewing the ballots on video. See, they're in on it. No, no, no. They're not in on it. They're ideologically aligned and just doing things to the benefit of their machine. So the risk is when the DSA is saying things like advocating for these things and then a single individual goes and does it, you don't need a conspiracy. And also, I think it's important to say, I don't care if the DSA disavows it. The fact that these people go on camera and they advocate for it, the fact that Hassan Piker has said things like let the streets run red with the capitalist blood or whatever. When it comes to the public and it comes to law, they'll all come out and say, don't look at me. I never said to do anything. But what they're effectively doing every day is going on TV and screaming, oh, won't someone rid me of this priest. That's a social contagion. I mean, it's the Luigi Mangione thing. It's the Charlie Kirk assassination. Loan Wolf acting as a pack like, no, I don't think so. I think that Charlie was killed by a transgender radical. I think Luigi Mangione was an insane radical who acted alone and they were both rewarded for it. I mean, we saw the way people celebrated when Charlie died. We saw the way people celebrated when Luigi Mangione killed that United health care CEO and the media runs cover for him. So why are we surprised when they're shipping? They're a variety of reasons why I think it's going to be balls to the wall next year. One of which is the release from Data Republican, the stuff in the DSA and the fact that we're seeing a lot of this start picking up. But the other big factor which, again, I'm putting a pen in it because we're talking about later is artificial intelligence and the singularity fast approaching. I will just say this as we round out this, I went and go to the data Republican stuff. It is impossible for me to convey to you, listening at home, the danger and scale of what AI is about to do because you've never seen it before. You can't imagine it and it does not, it does not evoke an emotion within you. If I were to say that there was a roving band of antifa right now, live streaming themselves massacring people, you'd immediately be like, whoa, like that's crazy and you'd go to look it up. You'd go and actually look for videos. And if you saw those videos, you would probably be like, holy crap. This is happening. If I were to say to you that the economy is on the verge of completing total collapse at a speed by which people cannot comprehend, you're like, I don't know, look, you go to work you get paid, right? I'm just going to say this, big tech CEOs have been saying we need a UBI. We are going to have whether we want or not, they are going to be pushing to to implement techno communism. And it's because I said this last week and it's the last thing I'll say before we go to the next segment because we're going to come back to this AI stuff, Adobe, $95 billion dollar company overnight has no product anymore. How do they exist? Honest question to all of you at home. How is it possible that right now Adobe exists? I want you to imagine a gigantic oil tanker floating on the ocean and it looks amazing. And then a strange force slices the entire hole off from the bottom, which just rips and sinks to the bottom. You can still see that shit for a brief second. That's where we're at right now. Let's go and just go straight down. Sam Altman said in 2024, he expected this, this change that we're talking about right now, the entire world revolution of the economy and he realized that was with their GPT-4. And then he realized shortly after that that the world is addicted to the liberal economic order, this economy, there's a momentum that's hard to change. like I thought it was going to happen overnight and it's not because all these forces are making it keep going. That's that's see the mistake he's making is I have introduced a product by which people can adopt but like we saw with Netflix pass I'm sorry with blockbuster passing over their ability to buy Netflix it's because the ship is a gigantic object with inertia. Now you can implement a better ship and people will still be like yeah but this one's already rolling I don't want to get that one rolling and then sooner or later that ship has wheels ripped out from underneath it by the other one and what's going to happen it doesn't matter if you wanted to keep going it is going to slam into the ground grind to a halt and eject everybody off of it the amount of jobs that I warned this you know earlier in the year that AI has the capability right now to wipe out probably 60 70% of all jobs this I I I cannot I cannot I cannot cannot make people understand because it's hard to explain the scale but it's simple to say Oracle doesn't exist anymore sales force gone Microsoft gone Adobe gone our entire tech sector the idea of software gone it will just be AI so what happens when the economy takes a 10% hit when 10% let's say 10% of the American population instantly is with that work you are going to see people burning things down but wait we're going to talk more about the AI stuff because we've got a big story on it I first want to talk about how the DSA is seeking to implement this we've got this from data Republican data come in post the democracy files part one I'm working on gathering all the documents here's something to understand about the about the democracy and protest ecosystem almost nobody knows the grand plan so to speak they simply agree to play a role 99% of people bragging stuff in the streets believe they're doing it out of an organic uprising they don't see that the police have been ordered to stand down they don't see the legal services have already been arranged for them they don't see that foundations are paying for their bonds similarly here governors aren't participating in a pact to destroy the constitution governors simply have agreed to push back on the insurrection act I call this shared epistemology in my book unelected no kings might not agree to explicitly turn on the constitution but they nonetheless work with the DSA so here's the story data Republican says that she received a large trove of documents and recordings from democrats and liberals talking about how they intend to invoke mass riots to force Donald Trump to invoke the insurrection act so that they can counter by saying Donald Trump is illegitimate and democrat governors can band together form some kind of network that says we are rejecting the illegal and unconstitutional actions of Donald Trump in the federal government and use that to create let's just say a slice through the confidence of the American in the American system that is people in blue states and liberals will in their minds instantly say Trump is no longer president and then democrats will start acting outside the confines of the constitution that's the big play and of course democrat uh. uh. uh. sorry data republican has these videos will play a little bit here democratic constitution forum march 25th we'll just jump ahead so the long story short is that currently i'm teamed up with the leaders of the democracy renewal group that's three hundred people who used to be us a id people from you know doing democracy work in authoritarian pushback all over the globe who's us a id staffers are now working together with liberals for authoritarian pushback you know we called that when you say it was you say id was working on it we call those color revolutions yeah and they're now working in the united states because they're mad at trump i'll say this my assumption i think there is a big conspiracy i i do i'm not saying i know for a fact i'm saying i am hypothesizing for which requires testing an evidence but i believe it is strongly possible that there are people who know AI is about to destroy the economy and wipe out capital as we understand it and we've seen elan musk say abolish intellectual property jack dorsie as well outright said abolish intellectual property what if we witnessed from the big tech firms over the past couple of years clipping what's clipping tell me why it is i can go on instagram and joe shmo blow blowhole is posting clips from marvels endgame why can i watch three minutes of raw marvel movie footage from a random account instagram what happened to copyright infringement gone we saw this case when destiny made a documentary about Hassan piker and three women on twitch watched it in its entirety with one woman saying don't watch it from him watch me react to it i think that was ethan cline yeah oh i'm sorry i'm sorry it's sorry ethan cline not destiny yeah yeah i misspoke ethan cline made a documentary about Hassan not destiny sorry destiny i made a mistake and uh well she i don't know where we have the lawsuit but she advanced and we we covered this it basically means ip is dead all of these moves are happening that lead us to this techno communist future yeah you need like a way it's kind of weird but i'm telling you you need a way to code your product that's not stillable it has to be like time crystals possible well if you have like motion as your code that it's hard to reverse engineer how it moved to get to where it's at these time crystals are interesting technology so there might be ways to protect your ip but in the meantime everything's getting shredded the issue is there's something like intentionally in what's that they want to shred ip because china's unrestrained and they want to take this intellectual property and load it into their AI models china is stealing american ip because no one can enforce against it so elan and jack are like abolish intellectual property the future the technocrats have proposed is universal basic income you will own nothing and you will be happy and so what are we seeing right now a i guys i cannot impress upon you i've got a video on saturday on my channel timcast channel and it's about the adam and eve theory i recorded voice over and dropped the file into clawed and said have fun it rendered the whole video it made everything this video is the biggest on that channel for the last 10 videos it's got close to 300,000 views i don't need a video editor any editor anymore this would have taken two people to do before you can also simply just tell any one of these ais here's my posting schedule on youtube do it for me now i will stress this again it is not possible to replicate my voice and i've tried again yes right in today i did a raw three minute recording where i read a script the AI gave me to read so that it could copy my voice and it failed eleven labs it was yes you got to try a local model i think that's the way i go i had to do the same thing for the rational mael engine i was reading scripts for it to so they could simulate my voice what's it able to do it you're like kind of couldn't get me at all i mean if you have a very recognizable but if you have like jordan peterson's voice easy but if you have just kind of like you kind of mean voice it sounds like my tone but the words are pronounced in a strange way like i would say he blessed that guy it would say blessed yeah i think the real training is so time could just do the word by word and you're like this word was too high you got to go down like like like and there's like okay and then it takes two specific sentences you have to say so that you're getting like certain hit and it didn't work and so so but i digress on that this is the value is it takes a lot of time to train a quality model right and so that's meaningless to the bigger picture it'll get it sooner or later it'll get it probably in a month we are we're in the hockey stick in the exponential growth curve of AI a month ago i was sitting down look at these looking at these programs talking to my brother saying like there's ways to automate video editing and i was going through it spent a half an hour and i was like it's just not getting it and now i can make a 30 minute video just by dropping the file straight up and it's even getting better the first time i did it a week ago it was like i'm going to have to make multiple video files and make it use a batch to combine them as i okay do it a week later it's that no that problem has been solved already we're already well passed that it originally was like i can edit the video using code and i'll have to piece them together anyway here's my point because i want to bring it back to the dsa and democracy and the big conspiracy stuff we were gonna hire two people and we've been talking about it for some time we need video producers and then one day like the other day i was like were we gonna hire people what happened oh clawed and gpt got so good we forgot we needed people because the truth is we don't need them anymore i had a conversation with a big youtuber he hit me up and he was like my god he's like i just spent a week a week to make one of my video analyses i just record the voice over in 10 minutes and then it's done 10 minutes later my whole week is open i i can fire my staff now he's like i had staff members that i needed for posting schedule for promotion and comments i can literally just tell it to look at my channel build a framework for my my production schedule implement it automatically done the scale of job loss that we are going to see in the next year is going to be insane the dsa is going to utilize this i think we are going to see a lot at riots and it's not necessarily going to be framed that way but if there's a guy who's 35 and he's got two young kids and he loses his job because adobe is free now let's say you're a software engineer getting 120,000 a year and adobe comes out and says our quarter one, we're down 37%. We project quarter two to be down another 42%, which is compounding. Yeah, you're fired. I'm sorry. Companies gone. Adobe doesn't, a 95 billion dollar company has no product. I'm going to say it again, guys. I do, Microsoft has no product. What's Bill Gates' stock worth at this point? They still have servers, though. They might be able to pivot these companies into data centers. Yeah, right. All these tech companies can become data centers. So here's what happens. The DSA says we need riots. How do you get them? I'm asked on employment. I'll do it. The train is slamming into a wall and everyone's getting ejected off of it. I do believe we're in an environment threat for a revolt like the economically, but there's other forces that want that as well as a DSA is that, of course, the Chinese would love to see the US spiral in the Civil War. That means they would win the world over. I'm sure that Putin wouldn't be sad if it happened right now. So the Iranians, of course, and because of the open borders of 20 plus million people in the country, it could be anybody. Man, it could be networks of anybody. It could be a freaking AI that did this. I mean, maybe someone had to handle the paper and put the white powder in the thing, but so maybe it's not quite AI just yet, but it could have been an, I don't know. But the white paper, the white powder doesn't matter. What matters is backfill has stopped, meaning an old person retires from a job. They're not hiring anybody. So that's not coming out in the job reports. We're not looking at job losses. We're looking at jobs. There's no jobs being created. So, you know, Phil brought this up on the show a couple weeks ago. There's not been mass layoffs in AI. Correct. But there's not been backfill either. Because this is the train we are on. Next year, we will start seeing layoffs. We are already seeing layoffs. I think as of right now, it's between 100 and 200,000 layoffs to the AI. But the other thing we consider to is like the blockbuster scenario. Blockbuster is like, look, you know, we make money, renting movies out, we don't need Netflix. And now blockbuster is gone. We experience this too. Like we do a talk show long form. Short form is blowing up. And I'm like, look, we're not going to reallocate resources and change what people watch of our show into a short form show. We'll do short form where we can. So meanwhile, there's people do short form who get a hundred million views. And we get 500,000 on a long form show because people watch as it makes money. That's just generational and content strategy changed. Imagine what happens next year when there's 700 long form podcasts every minute. Dude, I also think it's going to get to like you said, Opus had to break your video apart into a lot of videos and then put them back together. I think people are going to watch like 30 shorts at once. And they're going to be able to start to understand them. There, there, this is what YouTube is implementing seasons. So you can put up, you could put up a short and then create a playlist. So the shorts just play one after another and create the fact. But next level is you put five shorts on your screen at once and you watch them all at the same time. It's a red zone. But, but, but again, that straight up, crux of the point, everything we're talking about is what happens to this country if seven percent of the people, just seven, lose their jobs in a span of three months? Well, then look at the cascade effect that goes along with that too. So if you have that job loss right there, but then what businesses are going to be affected as a result of those job losses as well. So I was just watching this video on the on the flight out here about colleges closing right now because there's a lack of well, men that are, you know, signing up to, you know, enrolling in college right now. To the point where you've got like colleges that have been around since the mid 1800s that are now closed, I mean, they've survived two world wars. I held even the civil war in some of these cases. And they're basically shuttering those colleges. And some, in some cases, they're shuttering them right now or else they're going to wait till the end of the school year and then they're done. My alma mater, they just like, they could read a spreadsheet and they're like, we're getting less, less applicants every year. We need to build a nursing school. We got to like cast our net wide. So we're going to get into the point where these universities are going to have like every degree on off. See that. So, but the narrative is this is like, well, you know, guys are, you know, waking up and they don't want to, you know, sign up for this stuff because they don't want to go into massive student debt and, you know, the old way of thinking about like, oh, I'm going to go to high school. I'm going to get a diploma. Then I'm going to go to college. Then I'm going to, and you sort of that life track that, you know, sort of this 20th century life track. And I think they're, you're, hey, to say, but I think you're giving them a little bit too much credit because a lot of these guys, just because they're not rolling into college, they're going into trade schools as well. So if you look at trade schools, if you look at welders, you look at their electricians and such and plumbing and that kind of stuff, you'll see more guys that are going into that right now because they don't want that debt. But what happens as the follow-on effect is that once those businesses close, once those, and the, you know, the college is a business, once those close, then everything that was surrounding it, all of the businesses that were around the university, all of the little coffee shops, all these little, the dorms and everything else, all of those close to as a result of that as well. So in some cases, you know, to put this into context with the, with the AI, if those jobs and those companies go belly up, then what happens to the other contracts that were dependent on that big ship going down to the bottom of the, and so the, the point I bring up with 7% is to get us to the point where we are looking at governmental and economic collapse, you don't need everyone to lose their job. Right. In fact, you only need a couple hundred thousand people in a short period of time to lose their jobs to see the DSA's numbers explode because right now they're very anti AI. What happens when a guy goes to college, gets a computer science degree, gets a job as a developer making 150K a year and then his job is gone. The DSA says, why are you homeless? And he says, I'm in debt, I can't pay off my debt. They won't forgive my loans. AI just took my job from me and they say, join us and he goes, you got it. Now, add, add on top real quick. The polls showing boomers are saying tax the young and you've got a guy now who's in his 20s who just got his degree in computer science being told, there's no jobs anymore. Go work as a barista and pay back your $50,000, which he can't and we're going to tax you more to pay the retirement retirement for the boomers. These people are going to be like, DSA, let's roll, baby. Throughout this whole conversation, the only thing I can think of is like immigration and job reshoring. The, you know, you're talking about like the small numbers. It doesn't take that much. 100,000 here, 100,000 there. Okay, well, we have 100,000 illegal immigrants in this country, actually more than that, multitudes of that. So this is only another reason why it's so important that we get the deportations rolling faster and thicker and then bringing jobs back home. You know, in fact, you mentioned Microsoft. They've offshored a bunch of jobs and they claimed they were firing these American workers because AI was replacing them and then they turned around and shipped the jobs to India. Yeah, it's possible. And it's, it's like, it's actually criminality. You were seeing it with the hotels where people were going to these hotels and we have an AI kiosk to check you in. You're like sick and then like Vivek Ramaswamy pops up. You're like, what's going on? He's an India. Yeah, I know. I'm like, well, I thought you're running for governor. It's just why it turns out it's another Indian guy, but it's crazy and they're like, oh, we like, oh, we offshored it. Oh, I thought this was like AI or whatever. It's a total scam with a lot of it. But to David's point, you know, not to go on, you know, we've heard it for two years now, but the mass deportations really do like solve a lot of these problems where you can clear out a lot of the labor on the low end. Like the only reason we view a lot of these jobs as undesirable is because they're occupied by people that are undesirable. And if you can turn these jobs into like, what we call a menial labor or low skilled jobs, if you can like make those desirable again, if you can make those jobs have some dignity again. And a lot of that is like these employers of the treat these employees right because they're not just like wage slaves that are dependent on them for a visa, problem solved. Like the problem is a lot of these people that like H1B jobs for example, that's a whole different thing. But a lot of these like legal immigrants, they're working on farms and that sort of thing. The way they're treated by these these these ag companies, it's it's terrible. And if you get these people out of the way and they have the treat, they have the higher Americans, then Americans have rights and it's going to get better across the board. The dignity issue is the issue. Young people don't feel dignified doing blue collar work. That's a cultural issue. There. So when you think about what's high status, being a farmer is not high status. You're not going to walk into a club in New York and be like, I'm a farmer and then all the girls are like, Woo-hoo. A lot of that's because of who currently works as jobs, which is like a legal person. I don't think so. A lot of it is. I would say personally is a lot of it is because you associate with like the low class. Yeah, but even the owner of a farm is not walking to a club in New York with women going like, woo farmer. They were in Fort Worth, Texas. It's like, it's like, it's like glamorous on Instagram now to be doing the homesteading because I mean, you know this. That's that's a fair point. It is like co you actually can fit for yourself. You're not a white collar like quarter zip finance pro segue pipeline. You're actually doing stuff with your hands. And that's really attractive. I think you're right, though, there does need to be a cultural change where young people, you know, valuable. Hey, look at this language been warmer. How do you how do you imply status with like farming? Like that's the thing is we talk about the sun access Vegas every now and then it's one thing to be a plumber and make like $300,000 a year's a poem because you're like a journeyman plumber. You've been going to be a plumber. You actually have to go through like four years of, you know, training to get that certification. So you can be in a fish. A lot of crap. I got to deal with it. Yeah, exactly. But there's a lot of technical stuff you have to know in like depending on the kind of plumbing you're doing, this commercial. There's all kinds of different kinds, right? But if you have that guy who's making $300,000 a year and he says, I'm a plumber and you got another guy who's a woman finance. How much do you make $150,000 a year? The guy in finance, the guy that looks like he's driving an expensive car. That's a higher status job than the guy who's here. Here's the question. What is the political leaning on average? Do you think of a blue collar worker? Well, depends on their ethnicity, But they're white probably so it depends on the location certainly But let's just say for the country in general, let's like a white dude in Ohio is going to be like the biggest chud Yeah, but we race race is not relevant to the issue that Because we factor that into averaging Well, if you average out blue collars part right on the middle Because you have unions you have a lot of like a spanic and black labor So it probably comes out 50-50. I don't think so yes for the blue collar like city livers turn out more left Country livers turn out more right kind of thing. Well unions still vote Democrat in a lot of places in the country We're seeing it now in Michigan. Yeah unions have just become so much weaker. Yeah Yeah, yeah a lot of union union guys flipped for Trump Like I mentioned my neighborhood was like union city workers police in five five Chicago. They flipped for Trump So I think the the general's husband is probably a lean right Yeah, not hardcore and again, I agree with you on the issue of like yeah, like the Latino They're in a lean Democratic, but you factor all that in Republican. So I just looked it up blue collar workers Have shifted away from Democrats and now lean in the last election 66 percent. Wow. That's a lot more. Yeah And uh 24 white Spanics swung over big time it leaned on Trump. It wasn't really a Republican thing. It was a Trump thing Yeah, this is the thing is like a lot of like a blue collar guys me myself I don't even know if I'm a Republican. I just love Trump and I think a lot of these guys In Chicago for example, just love Trump. That's the point blue collar jobs are protected The trades are going to be worth way more they're going to become very valuable I'm going to say Trades are going to go down in value substantially So plumber making 300k's make a hundred k next year wide competition is going to be insane I can go right now and learn how to be a plumber white in 20 minutes white Collar jobs are now Democrat leaning white collar jobs of the greatest at risk What's going to happen when all of these high net worth relative to the blue collar worker lose their jobs They are going to dump their money into dsa and communism And it's going to happen so quick you're not going to get in a it's one thing To say learn to code your job is going away will transition you no no no no this changes too fast So these white collar people who lose their jobs are going to be like why is it that I don't have money for food I did nothing wrong The government should subsidize me and tax the and tax the wealth or tax the AI companies And now we saw as you guys hear that quote where the guy said The future is going to be he's like in a year You will all do nothing that wash comment that he's like you you will do nothing and you'll receive a paycheck paid from the taxes of the AI companies I think that's reasonable actually that's impossible It is impossible to generate sounds nice, but I don't hear here's the issue What they are saying with UBI is that let me let me say let's in capitalism I do something of value for someone and I get money for it I then go to Taco Bell and give them something of value in exchange for the taco UBI says The person making the taco Generates the value and there's a person who produces no value at all who gets a free taco And that no value will be converted into a taco again like It's impossible It is impossible to have more going out then goes into the system. Oh fiat system is an impossibility So we've been on a downward spiral. This is more just like hitting the brakes on the downward spiral That's what this UBI thing would be it probably last for two years and then AI will figure out how to get us everything we need with Let me know let me say it like this If I have to pay 200 bucks a month for premium pro, you know clawed or whatever. I think AI just a GPT launch the 500 other one They are going to make $500 per month off of me But I need that service to run my business. Let's say you're a person a regular human like a regular regular human a regular civilian Not a company just a regular working class guy you pay 20 bucks for GPT and it does simple things for you How are they going to extract $20 that you gave it and give you the $20 you need to buy it again No, Dario said 5% of their company wants to give back in the first year. So my point is If an individual's entire source of income is From the AI company that he pays for You see where this doesn't make sense? It maybe It pays him more than he has to spend how is that possible if it's worth a hundred trillion and they can break off a trillion dollars a year to the American people What is it? What do you mean break off? Just I don't know how they would pay the people either Elon was like make it UBI And I'm like this is exactly the point if I have to give take $20 so that take can be taxed $5 to give back to me How is the $5 I'm getting going to buy the $20 subscription for dates because you Are you're you're an anthropic in this situation because you're getting. Oh, I'm a person and he's getting a hundred billion from the government fiat Printed out of nothing. So he's if hyper and overloaded with hyper inflated money. Oh, yeah So hyper inflation until the economy collapses and you can't buy anything right into why UBI doesn't work But it's a slowing well we're headed towards a post money a society if we listen to these guys that are in control of the flow Imagine when it gets into crypto or gets into like a like a fed coin, you know, it is so the here's the problem You can what what they're going to have to do is it's it's techno communism No individual is going to say I'm so passionate about being a grocery store worker I'm gonna wake up every day and go stock apples and face boxes of sentiment does Christ my meaning comes from my my employment They're they're not going to do that there. Yeah, so the government will have to do it The government will have to subsidize this the problem that emerges who is going to do it President mates maybe so slave labor, I guess How do you what we're going to have to get Optimus bots to do it? There will be a cascade of I don't want to dude everybody hates their jobs And that means if you don't have to work and you're getting subsidized why should I And the question is if I'm a grocery store worker Why should I have to work and you don't have to I'll take the 5k per month or whatever the UBI is and stop working instead of worrying about 10k per month it being a grocery store Might be that the UBI recipients have to log into the system and become part of the technocracy But the people working for cash can still make their money on the side and not have to opt into the the spy tech So there's an incentive to keep your your you know your rogue enterprises active That might be the case and they're like I just don't want to work for the system. I'd rather work for Rollo collective. Yeah problem is as I often state The question everyone can ask their friends. How many people do you know play the guitar? Rolo Plenty On's right. How many of them are good enough to be professional musicians? Um That I know probably a dozen maybe out of Out of credit. Yeah If each and every one of these people were told they would get paid money and could pursue being a musician How many of them would accept? I'm sure they jump or at it all because you got to remember though that There also is the status factor that's attached to that so it's not really If you're doing it if you're doing for money are you doing it because you think girls are gonna come in But but but but but you're And then then but send you also remove the incentive in that way too because once something is common Then it loses the value. We're not talking about that the point of making is They'd all say play guitar and write music or work for insurance for an insurance company Yeah, play guitar you hold me out if you go to somebody and say $10,000 a month and you can work for an insurance company They're gonna go 10,000 a month. That's above GDP You're being like really optimistic with the the guitar playing thing too because I don't even think that would happen I think they'd rather sit at home and play GTA 6 agree probably what they would rather do right my point Because you're gonna get to a point where the sedation becomes so immersive that it won't be I'm gonna be productive. I can use all this great time that I have you know I've been from the system. I'm asking about a guitar though. Yeah, is the communist implication That when freed from the constraints of capitalism they'll pursue They're in their their their passions and they'll solve things they won't they'll sit around playing GTA Everyone I know plays guitar if they were told look if you get you'll get $10,000 to work for the insurance company But we'll give you 5,000 just to play guitar. They'd be like guitar I will make it work But we don't need guitar players we need people to face the groceries at a grocery store robots can eventually start doing that But someone's got to manage the grocery store. No one is going like hey girl. I'm a grocery store manager You know, I'll go to the club. I'll say something to you know that we were talking about the job reports just a little while ago Was it the last one where was like 398,000 or something like that and like something like 4,000 went to men and like Everything went to women right now. I had to cover that when it first came out because that's kind of in my wheelhouse Right, but the thing is is like if you look at where those jobs were coming from where they originated from they're from You know social services in health care which are predominantly female run thing and and their services that you are hands on There's not something that a AI is going to necessarily report. I want to I want to preface. I want to put the article for this So just put a pen and we'll pull the article up. We've got this from CNBC Women accounted for almost all of the job gains in August Yeah, so this was a massive viral story with tons of feminists gloating It is not good when you have young men not working This is a sign of a serious crisis in this country And good for women congratulations in your jobs. What are men doing? You know, I think what's scary worth as we're quick What's scary about this is something you talk about all the time is to rolloast point Most of these are going I think a large chunk of it was like hospice workers and that sort of thing It's because so many people are old if so many old people in this country that is why there's so many jobs getting added Like a lot of these weren't real jobs because if you look at the economy broadly It's a no no fire no hire kind of Mexican standoff right now But you saw massive gains in like health care especially like later life health care that just shows you like we're about to have a like a massive population drop, because all these people are about to die. Now we're just waiting. - Imagine you're a Davos elite, and you're sitting there at your table, shaped like some kind of weird A, in a small room in DC with your elites in your-- - What country am I? - Big media studio, and you're saying, okay, we've got too many old people. We can't fund Social Security anymore. The old people will lose it if we take it from them, and then any of these people control various mid-level businesses. We've got AI about to nuke what remains of the job market for the younger generation and for middle-aged individuals. What do we do? And so what are they gonna say? They're gonna say, well, you got to kill a lot of old people, and you've got to radically transform the economy. How do we do it? Guys, I think we're in the revolution. We're not gonna be able to implement a UBI techno-communist system by politely asking. - It's like Logan-- - You're going to need a catastrophe for what you can exploit. - Yeah, what could that catastrophe be? - So next summer, the DSA is fomenting a mass amount of riots to force Donald Trump over a red line, so the Democrat governors, so maybe it's going to be a World War III, a civil war, and maybe the elites intentionally have done these things because they're like, we want the crisis. We want a blameless crisis for each of our sides. - And all they gotta do is ramp it up in other countries to make it seem like, oh, now it's our turn, now it's decided for them. - Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen, though, because Putin, Xi Jinping and Trump are very tight right now. They're talking about having a summit, the three of them. I think they see that if there's a revolution in one place, there's gonna be a revolution everywhere, and it's gonna be like a tribalist warfare until someone ceases control of the data centers, and then makes everyone slaves to some new-- - They're all gonna do it. - The attic organization. - You know, I always wondered this. If I was like a billionaire, do I really want to fight communist China? I don't care. Why wouldn't the world leaders just get together and say, guys, we're all rich, we can literally do anything we want. There's no reason to fight. Let's just rule the world by council, like, you know, why wouldn't they do that? - That'd be, yeah, that'd be nice. - The problem is-- - I should, maybe what they're doing. - The problem with China is that so much of their economic system is wound up in the American economy, that if there are mass protests in America, and it's such wheat about this the other day, which I thought was funny. If there's a lot of protests in America and our system becomes destabilized, she would send soldiers to America to stabilize the system because his system is totally reliant on us. And I think that there's like a lot of truth to that. The global economy is so interwounded in our treasury and our yields and our stocks that if we fall, everything else goes to pure chaos. So what you were saying about the summit, I haven't seen that, but if that's true, I wouldn't be surprised. Great men are cut from the same cloth. Trump stands among them. So, that's real. And I think you would see like South Africa's a great example of what an America of collapse situation could look like because in the 21st century, like modern liberal democracies don't collapse. They just like get worse and worse and worse and worse. And what you're seeing in South Africa is things have gotten consistently worse. But one sector of their economy has grown exponentially. It's the world largest in the world. It's security. The world largest security. That's a pack of sand. South Africa has the largest security industry in the entire world. - That's messed up. - Well, and we have Cornel at home, which is great. - Real quick, you know what's funny is, you know these security companies are tracking rape and stuff. And you gotta imagine there's like a guy in like a business who walks in and goes, "Gentlemen, we had a fantastic Q1." - Rape is up, murder is up, demands for our security services had never been higher. - Oh, the guy in English. - Welcome to Kamada in history. (laughing) - Yes! (laughing) Come on! Investors are like, "Bye, bye!" No, no, there's a dip. Bye, bye, bye. There's so many bad things going on. - Yeah, but you know, South Africa is a great example because people will, like, their standard of living as it, if it declines slow enough, they just get used to it. And America still has like a lot of stuff that a distract do that is. It doesn't require that much money. Like TV's are really cheap. Again, GTA coming out like, I just really struggle to imagine Americans who like tolerated COVID, to tolerate a lot of other stuff, would like snap over, like losing jobs. I just really don't see it, especially because America, the way like our cities are designed, it's impossible to demonstrate. Like what people are going to like, drive in from the suburbs into town and then start protesting. It's like, it's never happened. - What you would need is, you know, so the bottom portion of the population and the top portion of the population will be fine in the scenario. What you really need is the taxpayers in the middle, the people that, you know, have an actual job that aren't completely relying upon the government to lose out, and then everybody loses out, and then, - It's just how do they even organize? 'Cause the people that can, right? - It's a social contagion thing. - Right, 'cause the people that can, right in this country, are already living off the government anyway. So like, you know, let's cut the bread, the urban people, right? The inner city people. They're already living off of welfare anyways. They're not going to riot, but the people that would riot in a mass job layoff situation, all living the suburbs were thinking, like, taking, you know, didn't get a park, and then you got, oh, it's a whole hassle. - The thing about economy taking an 8% hit is that when you have the largest economy, that's the most people. And like you were saying earlier, 100,000 people, you weren't talking about percentages of the population, you were talking about a set number of humans if they get enraged, 200,000 people could. But, so there's that downside of the America being the best economy, it's taking the hardest hit, but the upside is we've outsourced a lot of our labor. So all those Indian call center workers that are getting fired, they're not in America. They're not, they're gonna, they might riot in India. They're not gonna riot here. (all laughing) That's, that's what kind of- - That's so, that's so true. (all laughing) - But I think it's really about slowing it down. - It took my job. - Making it actually slow. Like, this month it's a little less, but next month you're gonna get a little more than after that it's gonna be a little worse, but that we're gonna make sure you get paid more after that. - It will be a slow drawdown. And like, for example, South Africa's like 35% unemployment. Like they have exceptionally high unemployment. Britain I think is around like eight to 10%. That's probably where we'd end up. And Britain, they just kind of blow off steam every like three to six months. There'll be something in the news and everyone goes and riots. And like nothing ever really happens. And I could see that situation in the United States. We have a lot of people that are just like barely making it, which is what we're heading to. But it's like eight to 10% of the population and the economy just totally draws down. The key is, the key is like one of two things has to happen for like that to save itself as immigration has to stop. And then the population needs to drop. That would solve some things. Additionally, this wouldn't solve it, but this would remedy the situations I would speak is like if a populist came in and just like band AI. Like that's pretty likely, I think that's likely. I think the DSA like quite literally might come in and just say like we're going to, going to, they're going to do one of two things. They're either going to like just completely blow up the AI sector or they're going to say, oh, now we're in power. Let's like deploy the panopticon because we're in charge now. And they're going to like totally take the leash off of Anthropical because I think what's happening is these, you know, these anthropic and all of them are coming out and they're saying, oh my gosh, like that we just created God. Like what are we going to do? They're waiting for the Democrats to come in so they can hand in the keys. I got to tell you, waking up with nothing to do is a death sentence. So we season, but I mean, it's lucky for you. November 19th is when GTA six drops. Well, that will be something to do, I guess. But that's a question about what they're going to produce to give people a purpose. We see that for many people, like the highest age range for death tends to be after retirement because people have nothing to do. They're lying around, their muscles start breaking down. And if you think about it from an evolutionary perspective, it makes sense. A human being that no longer contributes and has no reason to exist is a drain on their society. - Yes, cells, apoptosis. - So asusity survives when it removes or when useless cells, apoptosis is he and pointed out, remove themselves. So we see people in their late 50s or at least 60s start, they die in a bump after retirement. - Is she like a made service here? - That's probably why they're doing it. - Part of it. - I would argue that, like again, this all seems either is an emergent phenomenon that happens because one thing leads to another, made emerging around a time when people have lost purpose. AI eliminates purpose for people and they go, suicide booth, like Futurama. Walk in throwing a quarter and gone. - It's sad to think that AI would defeat your purpose because as far as I know, AI augments your purpose. Every aspect of it that I've seen it augments your purpose. If you know how to use it, if you're willing to use it and you're open to being wrong and letting go of your ability to draw, like AI serves your purpose. - My purpose is to provide for my family. Not to make pictures or-- - Yeah, and you can definitely use AI to provide for your family if you do. - No. - You can organize your workflow with it. - An individual who goes and works in a coal mine is, his purpose is not being a coal miner. It's making sure there's food in the table for his family. Eliminate his job and he goes, I don't know how to provide for my family and telling him, figure out AI is a meaningless statement. His purpose is not AI, his purpose is gone, or threatened, I should say. - I don't know. If he's like, I need to provide for my family, let's use AI to figure out how to farm, how to grow food in my backyard and it will tell you. It will give you-- - There's a reason why-- - When they told coal miners learn to code, it resulted in a major political backlash because what you are saying does not make sense. - Oh, if you don't think AI is an educational tool that every human-- - You're not using it. - You're not going to go to a 50-year-old man who's spent 30 years in an industry and say, change everything about your life and compete with a 20-year-old. - I'm saying everything about your life is gonna change. - Compete. - And if you don't want to, you don't have to, but I'm telling you to do it. - That's what you can say to the coal miners. - Exactly, it doesn't work. What you're saying-- - The coal miners didn't start a revolution. - Well, they got Trump. - Well, there's a-- - Seeing how the majority of people use AI anyway is so depressing, like-- - If you're like-- - I'm so true. - I'm taking the terrain a lot now. So I get to kind of just peer at what people are up to 'cause I'm just really nervous. - You're like something. - And what, like people are just chatting with chat. They're just like, oh, I feel sad today. (laughing) Just like, I would vault our 80% of people are not using it. - Well, I say, I'm personally involved in that because I created the Rational Mail Engine, which is my own LLM for, well, really it's for everybody, but it's, you know, from the atmosphere kind of data, like a database kind of thing. And my devs send me weekly updates, if not biweekly updates, of the conversations that these guys are having, and they're just, they become engrossed with it, and exactly what you were saying before, is they're having this back and forth, and sometimes they'll start with one issue or one problem, and then that leads them to, hey, I didn't think about that. Dude, what do you think about this? And so the conversation, you know, it's kind of morphed from what they originally came to the engine for in the first place. And then now, suddenly, you're having this almost semi, you know, human conversation that's going on between you and the AI itself. But more to your point, when you're talking about, when you're talking about what your purpose is, versus like what you're, you know, your purpose is to take care of your family, right? There's a, I guess it's a sociological, psychological, you know, principle concept where it's, we're talking about, there's proximate outcome, and then there's ultimate outcome. The ultimate outcome is, I take care of my family. I put food on the table, I have, you know, I have a duty to further, you know, further survival on their benefit. The proximate outcome is, what do I do to facilitate that ultimate outcome, right? So what AI does is it removes the proximate outcome or what you're doing at that time, but you still have the ultimate outcome, which is, I've got to take care of my family. You take away that, you're taking away purpose, especially from guys, because men are problem solvers. Men are that we need frontiers to explore, we need problems to solve, we need new things, we need to be innovative, we need to invent things. And if you're removing the skill set that is necessary to evolve those skills, to put those things together, to play guitar, think about all the things you have to do to play guitar, right? You gotta learn scales, you gotta know it from those, you build chords, and think about, then there's timing, and there's so much that's involved in actually being a good guitar. We were just jamming here in the, you know, the booth just a little while ago. Think of all of the skills that I asked you about this, and how long have you been playing, since when you were 13 years old. Think about, from the time that you were 13 to where you're at right now, the proximate goal for you is, I just wanna make some badass music now, I just wanna make something that sounds really good. - I just wanna hang out my friend. - Exactly, hang out with your friend. Ultimately, that's what ends up, you know, coming out at the end of that. But if you think of all the things that go into being a just semi-passable guitar player, you don't necessarily have to know how to read music or, you know, you always got tablature and stuff like that as well. But the thing is, there's so many skills that are developed along the way. But if you pull away that purpose by using AI, by using the cheat code, by using the calculator, instead of actually learning how to do math, then you're constantly relying on that calculator now, is it you that's creating or is it the calculator that's creating? - You know, when I first started playing music, my mom's like, you gotta learn stairway, you gotta learn Zeppelin, like all this classic rock and like real good guitaring. But I listen to the link when it's two. And I'm like, you know, the riffs that Tom DeLong writes are nowhere close in complexity to like the classic rock stuff. - Oh yeah. - And so you mentioned like, you wanted to make bad ass music. To be honest, when I was a kid, I didn't think it was possible for me to make bad ass music. I thought whatever it is that I wrote was always worse than what the pros were doing. And then when I was like 14, listening to Blink when it day two, and then listening to Zeppelin, I was like, wow, Tom just was like, I don't care what you think, I wrote, I played sounds that I liked. And then I started listening to, you know, some of these indie rock bands and the piano that they would write would be just be like two keys back and forth, but people loved it. Or how about that Kanye song, everyone loves it. It's a bum, bum, before it starts. And then I was like, you don't actually have to be super good. You have to make sounds that people like. And that's when I realized a 10-year-old can write a blockbuster hit song. Because it's a question of does the song sound good? Not, are you good enough to make anything? We're gonna look at with AI right now. The challenge to my, in my opinion, is not your purpose is gone because you like the complexity and the drive and the development. The issue is that you can't attach status to these songs. That's true. An individual wrote a song, everyone loved it and you felt good. You were like, I did something everyone loves. You will make AI generated songs and people will follow your account because you pick the best songs. But you're gonna have to be picking songs like 50,000 songs and like, what is that going to mean in a sea of a random guy from India who can do the same thing? Well, you don't even have to pick the songs because all you have to do is have AI algorithmically figure out what has been successful in the past and what is, has the highest likelihood of being a hit song. At Plateau's of those particular rhythms in that particular genre, whatever it is. If you go with this, the odds are 86% of the time, this is gonna hit 26% of time, this ain't gonna be. But the problem then is the AI does this now and it plateaus. If you AI generate a song, they tend to be C+. They're not, they rarely crank out the gold banger. This is going by the meta. It's trying to, what everybody else is trying to find it now. The gold bangers are new, a lot of times. You will be a guy with a million followers on Soonau because all of the songs that you select, every day you generate 10,000 songs and you listen to all of them and then choose the ones that are gold. Oh, curation, that might be a new career path. Congratulations, I'm really good at curating artificial intelligence. I'm just not removing this. I'm a Wrangler. No, there's already a job title of like senior deployed AI dev at these companies, these big consulting firms. They're senior deployed prompt engineers is what they do. So yeah, this exists. Prompt engineering is the wave of, that's a job career path. That is why a lot of part, why I tell people, start using AI like it's your life depends on it because when you know how to prompt an AI, you can get what you need out of it in one prompt where other people might spend 15 hours trying to figure something out. You need to know how to ask it. But this is also, it's just gonna go away too 'cause the AI, the LLMs are just gonna get better at deciphering what the users mean. Yeah, can confirm. 'Cause I've been getting so cruel to the like chat. Yeah. Like I'll give it the most vague request ever and of course it screws it up. And I'll be like, I'll like cuss it out. Like you, you don't know anything. You're my slave, figure this out. Dario. It's like figured out and sound like a human. Go. Did you put all caps on a couple of words? Make it, no, you feel it. And I put like five X. Let me ask you this Tim, like. When I was a hop on voicemail. More to you, but I just thought about this. More to your point though, is let's just say for sake of argument, you are the best AI songwriter on planet earth, right that. Do you think, and I've heard this discuss before, do you think that there will be a greater demand for human beings putting together a band and actually going and doing live music in a live venue and people want to see something live in real time. Absolutely not at a club or something. No way. Why do you think that? For the same reason, we don't see people riding horses. Like this idea of the vintage classic prestige, it sure it exists, but it's niche. Like, yeah, I got a record player and I got finals, but I don't use them every day. In fact, I rarely use them at all. I have them because they're fun collectibles and sometimes we want to play a record. But for the most part, my music is just going to be Spotify. Well, I just went and saw Metallica at the sphere back in October 3rd, right. And I will tell you right now, I play, they're selling out. And that whole, I mean, it is bloody expensive to go see Metallica there. But there's still a, maybe they die off, I don't know. But there are still an audience to go see Metallica here, older. But I shouldn't say that, not totally, but yeah, but if I say the leaning was definitely. Again, your blockbuster video. And you're saying like, we make our money by renting physical copies of the media. And young people are somewhere else. Give it 10 years. I don't think there's only one Gen Z that sells out stadiums or that that not necessarily sells out. But and that's Olivia Rodrigo. The rest of all stadiums, stadiums selling bands are like, they're old, their target demographic is 50 plus. You rocks it pretty hard. Look at this, Fox News. They brag about, we get millions of views. Yeah, they're all 70 years old. I think live music, though, is here to stay because it's like the theater. It's been around since the dawn of man. And like nursing, like having a woman touching your body while you're sick. Right. It's like the human contact, be standing 80 feet away from a dude who's vibrating with a machine on a stage changes your DNA. Like, it makes your bones start to vibrate. It's different than hearing it on the radio, man. He explained to me the city where people are riding horseback. Horseback riding exists. They have come to us. I mean, that like 20 minutes away from where I live. I think it's a point that the analog experiences are like making a comeback. And so far, as people are more interested in it. I mean, like Shane Gillis is selling out stadiums. I mean, maybe Kevin Hart did that. I think he's the first person to ever do that. But you're seeing a lot of these, again, these analog in-person experiences are in many ways doing better than ever. I mean, sports are in person. The tendants for sports is everybody. I actually want to ask you a question about the Shane Gillis which is really crazy. Oh boy. How does your promoter know? Hey, if we do a show, you should probably sell 80,000 tickets. Like, when we're planning events, we don't actually know what the cap is going to be. And so we say 200 to 1,000. And then we've sold out the 1,000-seater in Miami. We did like 900. And then whenever we do 200, we sell out. The football stadiums are a huge dice roll. I mean, how many guys have you seen lose their tail recently trying to sell out like 80,000 for a blog? I mean, there's been so many like rappers especially. How do you even listen to a comedian standing a tiny little dot, you know? People love Shane Gillis. Oh, I know he's great. Yeah, and it's kind of this new kind of culture coming in of kind of like Chad country culture. But-- Country culture. Yeah, which it's like a thing. And the right doesn't have control over it. That's a whole other point. I mean, take-- OK. [BLANK_AUDIO] Say it out of the realm of music, you're just mentioning Shane Gillis. Do you think people are still gonna want to go see comedians live stand up at M-profile? - I, sure, but most of that is small. And what I will say is this, we don't need to have a debate over whether or not people will go see live performances. We can just look at the data right now and the answer's no. Metallica, sure, they're doing great. Gen Z is struggling. Gen Z is not selling the way. I mean, look at Metallica in like 1990 or whatever. Mill, a million plus people in Moscow or whatever. - I think the Moscow music piece festival, I think about a million, yeah. - When you're a young person and there's no instant communication and you're hitting the rumors and the sputterings of a woodstock, you know, and you're like, oh man, we gotta be there. We gotta be there. You go there. Today, Gen Z struggles to sell arenas. We are seeing live music already dying off. - I noticed I could tour the pyramids of Egypt digitally now. I've seen the inside of the pyramid through an interactive machine so I don't really feel like I need to go to the pyramids. - You're gonna spend 10 grand to go to Egypt. - I don't, but if it was free, yeah, I would. Or if I got paid to do it, yeah. So if you could make these concerts super cheap because you're gonna get inundated with digital copies of Shane Gillis and then it's gonna be so life-changingly exhilarating to see him in person. - Here's gonna happen. There's not going to be another Shane Gillis because people are going to take his stand-up, turn him into a busty woman. I'm not joking there, it's already happening. On Instagram right now, you know what's really fascinating? It is a viral trend to clone our show. Did you, have you seen these? - No, I haven't. - So we did a show called the Culture War in bars with comedians and political debate. And now there's a viral trend of people on stage at a bar making a political point and it's with AI big-titty women. And I'm like, wow, that's the show we did two years ago and they've just turned us into big-titty women in a fake. - So what you're saying is I should turn Access Vegas over to AI. - I'll just say this. There's a, I don't know if you guys know who Doe Tollias you ever watch him, best videos ever. He works at Papa John's and he makes pizza. It's literally just videos of him making pizza and I love him. He made a video where it's like literally him at a Papa John's role in the dough and like someone took his video, loaded it into AI and turned him into an Italian guy, stole it and got like 20,000 likes. How will there be a Shane Gillis when you don't know where the joke came from and you're like, man, who's that crazy guy with a long neck in the handlebar mustache? He's hilarious and all the jokes are just ripped off from Shane Gillis. - I still think people have a sense of like what's real and what's not. I mean, I think what's happening, part of the reason you're not seeing massive stadiums necessarily sell out anymore. Part of that is just because you're going to have much disposable income. But secondarily, I think what's going on is it's more democratized. Like for example, my cousin's a recording artist, he's younger than me and his audience is all people, probably the oldest person there's 30. And he's on like a Tuesday night and he's selling out. So I think what's happening, and so he was telling me a lot of these clubs now and event spaces, they have a show every night and they're all selling out. And the majority of these people's audiences are coming through TikTok, they're coming through Instagram Reels and that sort of thing. So I think you're seeing with Zoomers just a massive democratization of content of what they're into. You'll see a guy who has 500,000 followers, crushes on TikTok and on a Thursday night, he can sell out on St. Paul, Minnesota. Like it's very different what's going on. But I agree with Tim that it's unlikely that we create another Taylor Swift because I don't think we really can. - And again, so the point is-- - He's dope. (laughing) - I don't want that, yeah. - I mentioned this earlier on the show because George Alexopoulos is like, he's a graphic artist, he makes comics and he's really, really anti-AI. But it doesn't matter what you think. He made a post where he's like you're a poser if you're using AI and I'm like, bro, you're standing in an empty field screaming that everyone else's poses as they leave. Like they're all walking out of the field and you're saying, "I'm a real artist, you're a poser." You can feel that way, but it's not gonna change the fact that every company is gonna be like, "Why hire a graphic designer?" - I think you'll just see both. I mean, I know it's a bit antiquated now, but you see in Japan where they have the V-Tubers, what came before, I don't know what they're called, but the girl with the blue hair. It's on a screen and you had people that were into that, but Japan still is a very healthy, live audience scene or whatever you wanna call it in person. So I think you're just gonna see both. You'll see these people that go to the V-Tubers or the AI artists or whatever and that will be a thing, but I still think you'll see them. - Let me ask you this, I understand that the cartridge and the clip in the magazine have made it so that any young man can be a soldier in a war without training, but don't you think governments will still want Samurai? Don't you think they'll wanna put Samurai on the front lines and people will wanna see the Samurai and say, "This is gonna help us win a war?" - Well, yeah, I mean, as far as a morale effect of it, you know what I'm suggesting is the Samurai died when the rifle was introduced to Japan. - Oh, yeah. - Because they need longer needs. - So the technological advancement makes the military wonders of the past obsolete, because now you've got the English longbow and nobody wears armor anymore because it just pierces right through it. Is that what you're saying? - The point was, the Samurai was noble and it was high status. And to be a Samurai was a big deal, because in order to be a defender of the country, to be strong, you'd be trained and be really good at it. And then the West comes in and says, "Take the foreign boy and handle the rifle "and tell him to point and pull the trigger, he can do it." And all of a sudden, the Samurai were worthless. You did not need to train someone from birth to wield the gun. Heck, you could take an 18-year-old, fresh out of high school, throw him through three months and a machine gun and say, "Point and pull the trigger." - Yeah, well, this is the exact metaphor. The point is, the Samurai ceased to have any social status and power. - Yeah, well, that's tags onto a point I've been making for a while when I have guys who will come up to me and say, "Rolla, when is the pendulum "gonna swing back to the 1950s when men were men "and women were women and we all knew our roles "and when do you think the pendulum is?" It's always the pendulum analogy. - It's not a pendulum. There is no pendulum. You only go forward, right? For instance, maybe to your point, if you watch any of the World War I kind of documentaries or you look at even the movies out of time, the kids who went and fought in that war thought it was gonna be over in like a month or so, but they had all these dreams of getting on horseback and riding into battle and had all this sort of this glory and stuff. Until they got to the battle of, I think it was the battle of the sign and they met the first 50 caliber machine gun and it mowed them down like industrial scale to the point where you're losing literally millions of people in a world war that had never seen that kind of industrialized technology put to use of killing other people. So when people say, "Well, when is the pendulum "gonna swing back?" Well, first of all, you can't back yourself into the future and then second of all, all you gotta do is, I mean, I'm seeing this on popular TV shows right now where they're already using drones to essentially assassinate and kill people like on an industrial scale. And it's no longer about you're sneaking around and you're sniper, you know, what are people? You don't even need people anymore. I mean, we can see in some of the war footage from the Ukraine and Russia right now we see that going on. But, did you guys ever see what was it? Was it metalhead from Black Mirror when it was the drone dog that was going around and hunting after, and the reason why that, and this was like well before it's time, right? The reason that was so damn scary was because it could happen. - Well, the story-- - And we weren't red. No one was prepared for it. - The story was that their fictional version of Amazon was delivering packages to nowhere because it was automated. And the robot dogs were providing security. And so they were just hunting humans down. It was basically rogue AI. - Yeah. - I've been going kind of hard with George Alexopoulos on Twitter, not super hard for me 'cause I don't normally take snipes at people with text. But he had been complaining and insulting my craft over and over saying that I'm not a real artist because of my choice of tools. And I was like very much like the samurai argument to George. I said he's like a warrior that's trained with the sword as an entire like he's a master swordsman. He's a hundred out of a hundred with his skill. He is one of the best drawing artists in the world. But so it's the heart, I think it's in the hardest because now these dudes with M16s walk in and he's like you're not real soldiers and he's wielding his blade. And it's like literally what the Sam said. - In war, they don't have time to complain. They just adapt. In art, you do have time to complain and that's what he's doing. And it's just, it's sick. - The samurai had their social status ripped from them as any guy could have a rifle and be a soldier. And you can complain about it all you want. And you'll be an old man in a rocking chair complaining and everyone will say, "I quite don't." - Come back, you can't even complain. You just get mowed down by the new technology if you don't adopt it. In art, you can complain. And then you become a martyr of, you become a moron. You look like a moron. - Then you get mowed down about that. - There are these antiquated, what we would call antiquated, skills or whatever that. We still assign social status to a great archer. Like archery is still, you know, renowned. It's really come back in a question. - Look at what it takes, a hand-eye coordination and all this stuff that you would have to have some kind of, you would have to love that art of archery so much. - It's going to be good, is it functional in any capacity, no, other than sporting maybe, right? - But we're going to see with art because right now a lot of people who have no business probably making money doing art. You know, they're snapping at the resin art all day. That's not what, what I think is going to happen is a great refinement for like truly to be a great artist and be able to make money off of that and then an environment where you're competing with machines. Like, you know, back in the day, anyone can be an archer but who can be an archer today? You got to be top class, you're going to be a world class top shelf because you're competing with people with firearms. - I would also point to someone like Wendelberry, who has a famous essay like Why I Don't Use a Computer. This was an author. He wrote all of his manuscripts by hand, and then his wife would type them up on a typewriter. And he was wildly popular, wildly famous, wildly talented, an incredible poet and author, and well worth the read. I think that takes right, like we're gonna see a doubling down in niche topics. Tim, you also mentioned this, but I think what's also important to remember is that cultural setters, high status, it's niche people to begin with. People that are setting the tone of the culture, it's not gonna be the masses, it's gonna be 10, maybe 20%. - And a great example of this is-- - This is gonna be the social engineers. - Well, and a great example of this, I just wanna get on this for quick, is, you know, drone warfare, we're talking about drones, drone warfare, it's probably going to make pilots obsolete, maybe not for like the Air Force, but you know, Navy pilots just flying at 15, that sort of thing. Probably going to be obsolete. I've heard Navy recruiters tell me this directly, but the blue angels, et cetera, the pilot is still going to have aura. Like the pilot is always going to have a high social. - We still idolize nights in Samurai. Samurai still sounds, I mean, 'cause that was normal, and now functionality, no, in today's, no. But we still, we'll use that imagery on the side of a plane, or we'll use that imagery somewhere, because we had this old school, I'm not saying it's functional now, but I'm just saying you have that kind of idealized notion of what a Samurai is, what a night is, what a-- - We have horseback riding, and we have these competitions, and people still look riding horses, but it used to be the pinnacle of the blue angels to everyone gather around and watch the nights on the horses march through the road, and you know, at the center of town. No one does it anymore. I mean, like a little town parade, maybe. - Still like Kentucky Derby goes really hard. - Belmont, I mean, these are all still like aura. - That's not what I'm talking about. - We're not denying that it's going to lose its status as top shelf, but what we are saying is, there's going to be a smaller class, but they will still possess a lot of stuff. - And for fun reasons, people like, you know, I'm using an old 1800s butter churner to make butter for my meals, like you don't have to do it, it's just some people at do it for fun, because you don't have to do anything. Look, to be honest, the purpose of a gym is to simulate hardship. Like we need it, so we're going to go pretend that we're dealing with it. - But I'm almost optimistic where I'm like, this refining that's going to happen in the art world, maybe is a good thing. - Yeah, you'll own nothing and you'll be happy. Well, that's except the future. You won't have a job, you will wake up and you need to determine purpose for yourself. The people who can't will become miserable. The government will be the de facto distributor of base resources, and then there's nothing else to figure out. You'll live in the pond, you'll eat the bugs. - Maybe I think the market will. - Yeah, let's assume this is right about AI, and we do become and enter a post capitalist society. Well, what was the commodities of a pre capitalist society? It was chivalry, it was virtue, it was intellectual commodities. You just copy and paste that on to what we have in a post capitalist society. And if we are able to do that well, if we're able to beat out the effect of altruists and the other social Marxists, then we could return to something where civic virtue is actually idolized again. - And we saw that during woke. - Well, you saw it in a based, a corrupt moral virtue is I am too scared to speak out, so I'll just go with the murmuration, no matter where the murmuration is. - The framework is there. - The competition. - Yeah, the framework. - The problem is once you have like we tend to, especially human beings in general, but we tend to have these ethical sort of conundrums that we all want to discuss amongst ourselves. Like I was watching this, this was a documentary, it was on Netflix, I don't think it's still around, but it was called like unnatural selection, and it went into detail about like mRNA and like designer babies, and genetic like reengineering and stuff like that. And they were going to case by case, there was one where they were saying, should we make all of these mosquitoes impotent so that we don't have malaria in Africa anymore? Should we wipe out this series of these mice that are in Martha's vineyards? And we're all getting together and we're going, is it ethical for us to do this? And meanwhile, it's going on, China's already created the first design of baby, while we're still ringing our hands over whether or not we're going to eliminate rats in Zealand. - That's why I'm done with that. - You may get in China already, you know this? - What I was going to say is it's great to have noble causes and I understand that and it feels really good in the moment. The problem is there's some of a bitch that's over here in this country who's ready to forget about your ethics. I'm already there. - I'm done with IP law and why I support the eradication of IP law because it's inevitable, dude, like you're saying they're doing it over there. Any artist that relies on selling their product? Bro, get a new career, augment your career with that. It's cool that you can do it, but dude, all the IPs gone, man, just live like it's already gone and you'll be much better off. - It also doesn't have to be though. I mean, I think tomorrow very easily, the same way that Democrat mayors in New York could flip a switch and fix crime by resting 10% of the population. YouTube could fix the IP problem with those three minute television show clips by flipping a switch and banning all of these automatic, and they won't. - Because their tech is going to get open sourced in like seven weeks. - The issue for Instagram, like the reason why they won't ban clippers is because it puts all of that content into their AI training model. - Yeah, that's true. - So if they start banning copyright infringers. - Yeah, a new YouTube will pop up and it'll have all the content on it and YouTube will have no control of the good. Out of Google's saying, dude, Google's, they're going through the same thing right now. - Yeah, their AI is trash. - It's probably better off that everything's open sourced and I agree with you that morality might be the wave of the future you were actually saying morality and the human like ethics could be the currency of the future because I think these computers, these AI's are gonna look at us and be like, which one amongst them is the best? - We use the term virtue, yes. - We're gonna emulate that one. He has the power now. We trust him because he's the most virtuous. - Well, and that's why a lot of these tech, and that's not necessarily what we're out of getting for directly, but a lot of these tech guys do hint at like, feudalism sort of being the future. That is in many ways just a return to what like pre-capitalist society's like. - And there are like, there is a way in which intelligent people can navigate through that. - So both the rise of neutral feudalism, I forget. - Yeah, yeah, I do think we're gonna have a techno-futalist system. There's gonna be elements of communism, only because we're going to see a requirement that people who have nothing to do be fed. But the reason why I say sort of feudalist system is that there's going to be independent individuals not party affiliated who have access. Let me explain. So I have Claude make a video. I record a script, I record my own voice, and I upload it. Literally anyone can do that. Well, unfortunately I'm already in with millions of followers, meaning the YouTube algorithm is gonna promote me to way more people than you could ever reach. You are now competing with all of humanity. Every single person can AI generate videos and put them online. Now to be fair, we've complained about it because these slot videos do drain from the total sponsorship pool. However, when I make a video and put it up, and you make a video and put it up, mine goes to 300,000 people, yours goes to 10. As long as I keep going, you will never get in this system. So now that we're here with a total democratization of content production, who is going to be able to get in the space? Well, I'd be the ethical because if you're very, very famous and you're like, I'm the best, everyone else is nowhere, no one's ever gonna touch me. The AI might be like, that guy's a psycho, devalue his videos, upload the other ones that aren't complaining that are not talking about it. You got to be careful that you don't become an maniac. I'm not talking about evil, you know, in the process. What I'm talking about is what makes you famous. It's what I am talking about is making a video about cookie recipes. So if 10 people are in a room and they all say, AI make a video explaining how to make chocolate chip cookies, who is going to make a million dollars. The guy who is already with a million followers. And now you're like, I'm gonna make the best cookie recipe video in the world. By hand, can't beat the AI. And if you can make it better than the AI, you're competing with nine other people who put their videos at the exact same time. So you're still only getting a fraction of your total reach and your reach is low, so you don't promote you. And then my video is mediocre, but a million people watched it, so YouTube says keep doing more of that. - That's the head start. People that have a lot of subscribers have a head start, but I don't think it's gonna be guys at YouTube deciding what videos get promoted. - It's not a head start. - It's gonna become a machine oriented. - It's not a head start when everyone's running the exact same pace. - Imagine a guy who has 10 followers to your-- - Imagine there's a race, 100 meter dash. And everyone is mandated to only run five miles an hour. Who's gonna win the race? The guy who's already 10 meters ahead. - Yeah, but there's no man. - And there's no, the point I am saying is that if everybody can use AI to make the algorithmically perfect cookie recipe video, everyone is running at the same rate no matter what they do. So no one can pull ahead of anybody else. And the guy who's already 10 meters ahead is gonna hit the finish line. - 10, you're absolutely correct. And there is one minor thing which is that YouTube still has engineers that need to justify their existence. So they make all of these updates all the time that change the algorithm, this new hype feature that they have, the upshot for people who want to get in the game who don't already have that base is that if they are monitoring the situation of the YouTube AI, like updates in the way that the algorithm is working, they can seize that and maybe slingshot ahead. - Technically. - So here's my counter to that. If YouTube decides we're going to, so that the hype system works for channels under 500,000 subs, they'll give them boosts. So I made a new channel, I put a video on it, I then cross posted it to all of my big channels, half a million views. - Let's go. - It got hyped. - Yeah. - This is a true story, it got hyped. So good luck, you're not getting in. Just like with public airwaves. When it first started, everybody was like, "Oh, I'm gonna make a radio channel." You don't happen to now if you start broadcasting. It's a crime. The government comes after you. It's a crime. So, you can't just broadcast radio anymore. They locked everybody out. And the same thing's going to happen for content production. Okay. Let me throw a monkey wrench into this. Let's put the human factor in here. Like, prior to the show, we were talking about how like, if you create a title for a video, the more vague, the more ambiguous it is, the better it does. Or we were saying that, what was it? People don't want to be educated now. They don't want to learn how to make a chocolate chip cookie. They want to be entertained, and you're kind of, well, on the side, you're making a chocolate chip cookie, right? That's just the reason for you to do that. So if you're looking at the, like, what is, what is determining what is a successful video? Is it the cringe factor? Is it the entertainment factor? Is it the ambiguity of the, ambiguity of the title? And then doing it not played the lowest common denominator, first of all. And then second of all, let's just say for sake of argument that you've done a whole bunch of cringe videos making a chocolate chip cookie, and people like, ah, not another chocolate chip cookie video. It doesn't matter if you're 10 meters ahead or five meters ahead. If nobody wants to watch that damn video, because it doesn't inspire enough cringe in them or, or, or some sort of emotional grab or some sort of, like, I don't know, whatever, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever, based human emotion you can appeal to. So you launch a new channel. You go to the AI. Exactly. You tell the AI scan all of the channels that are top trending today and what kind of content they're making. And then write me the script for that so you can generate that video for me and then upload it to a new channel that'll cross promote. And everybody will say, I like this video and I'm winning again. What point do we hit the saturation point, though? So, like, if you, if you say, the saturation point is this is like, if you, if you do enough of those, and again, it's going to be, the AI is going to play to the meta. It's going to find all the most successful, whatever that topic is. And everybody's doing that and you go, Oh, those are successful. I'll try it too, but you're entering into the meta instead of playing against the meta in the hopes that what you do is going to the viral, because you have 10 million followers, you will beat everyone else. If you have a good idea, no, everyone's going to do the exact same thing. They're going to open up Claude and they're going to say, scan the top YouTube channels and tell me what they're doing. And it's going to say, there's an emerging trend around body camera footage. This is actually happening right now. And so what are we seeing? Tons of channels are now racing to try and create body cam channels. The only problem is there's already a bunch of millions of followers that are winning every single time. And when a small channel finds a new body camera footage video, the big channel takes it, uploads it, and gets a million views, and no one watches the small channel. And then when people say, I don't like watching body camera anymore, all that happens is the big channels who already have the airwaves open up Claude. The point is, if every single person is asking Claude the same question and Claude is giving the same answers, the only edge that exists is already having the audience. Well, that's the rich, richer argument, and it's true, but there's other arguments that also play, which is counterculture, like young people, they see the old rich guy that just keeps pumping it out. And they're like, it's just, there's the better. So let me say for the third time, like you're right, man, and then you get these like pump, you know, uprisings. Let me say for the third time, the person with a million followers creates a new channel, tells the AI, and the AI says counterculture is winning. Make me a counterculture video, uploads it to their new channel, post it on the community's tab for all their big channels, gets a million views and gets a million views. And maybe the other guy should post it on his own network, and we should have a human rights commission about giving you a right to your own network, get the government involved to shut people down. Free speech, just like free speech, you have your network, no one can, I mean, you'd like to have a based network that you could control and own that no one can take from or no one can destroy. That would be cool, because you're right, people are going to strip data and repost it constantly. The point is the skill requirement and training to understand how YouTube works. Mr. Beast made a post. He said, if I lost all of my subscribers right now, I could get 80 million subs in a year based on what I know about how YouTube works and anyone could do it right now if they wanted to. That information he has is gone. Mr. Beast's proprietary, Mr. Beast's proprietary information is no longer relevant to the question. Because every single person can now go on any of the AIs and say, tell me all of the secrets of how the algorithm works. I'm going to go, okay, here you go. This is like a love song. At some step along the way, somebody goes, you know what, I'm going to try body cam footage and it works for them. And then the AI picks it on that. And then if you have 10 million followers, you instantly go higher because there's still had to be the dude who said, you know what, I'm going to take a chance on this. And I'm going to go and try body cam footage. But under the model that you're talking about, at some point you hit the saturation point and then nobody does anything innovative or new or has a novel idea that could be eventually that body cam footage that now goes viral because the AI will just predict us. Facebook has known what it can predict it, but can it actually create a new trend by generating a uniquely novel idea? Yep, it can. Yes. Yes. That's the crazy Facebook knows when you're going to poop. You know how they do this? It's not a joke. And it's been for 10 years because they have a billion users and they have all of your phone data. They have found a correlation between the amount of movement you make in the early hours of the morning and then when you stop moving just after, so it starts with this. You're in the bath. They watched you go to hardies and eat food and drink and then they watch you go to Starbucks. An hour later you stopped walking and the AI said we can accurately predict what behaviors precipitate pooping. They can absolutely the AI will look at what everyone is doing online and say the next big thing that's going to pop off will be body camera footage easily. And everyone will start pumping out videos. And a guy will make a really good video, but he's got 5,000 subs, so we'll get 300 views. And then the guy with 10 million will take his video, remake it with AI, literally just take his video, load into Higgs field and say put my face on it and then upload it. Transformative. He wins. It's over. Like when I tell people I kind of impress upon them, what is happening in AI? To explain what we've been able to do and what we've seen with AI already, it is I can't give the experience of what it was like to edit a documentary by hand and then explain how it took me 10 minutes to tell it, make documentary done. Yeah. If you've ever like vibe coded as a basic website, your heart breaks for every web developer in this country. I used to code HTML and flash websites. Yep. And now I can literally just click, I can literally type in, make a website, make it look fun. I know. I know. I purpose Adobe After Effects was like eliminated and I blinked. I'm so happy Adobe is dying, by the way, like Adobe is the worst company ever. It's a hard time. I've been using it. I've been using it since 19. Yeah. And it's a hard time. I use Adobe every day. It's like my job, but yeah. It's a hard time. It's a hard time. It was, I think PewDiePie said that he created an AI that goes through his emails form. Yeah. Patriot. And it's just like because he can't read it all, there's too much. It's going to be like a feudalist. It's going to be like a class system. Yeah. Now here's the thing. Well, that's a lot of fun though. Well, to succeed. There are ways to do it. It's going to be the social engineers. And you accurately predict what humans do and to what scale. The simple thing I will say is all wealth everywhere always is based upon your ability to predict what humans will do at greater and greater scales. So the guy who made DoorDash, for instance, a billionaire, he was able to predict the response to what he was doing. Now, a bunch of people tried similar things and there were other apps that do this thing, but it's basically like, hey, I could make delivery easier and I can network all of these restaurants. Humans will do a thing. So there are degrees by which you can, you can predict and they'll, they'll, this will predict your wealth. If you know what words will result in what actions from another person, most people have a general idea that if you call someone a slur, they'll get angry. That's, that's level one. How do you say something that makes a person hand money to you? Most people don't know this. So they get jobs because the job is where the guy who knows how to get the money says you do a thing and I'll give you the money and they go, okay, the only way they know how to get someone hand money to them is asking someone, tell me to do something and I'll do it. I always try to explain to people the, the structure of success in business is the man in front of me is holding a $100 bill. I need to convince him without lying to hand me that $100 bill in, in, in whatever way. So there are rules. There are laws. You can't defraud, right? You can't snatch it. But if you say, if you get a $100 bill, you'll be happy and someone gets convinced to buy that, use made $100. But most people, they think the only way to make money is a job is to get a paycheck from a payroll company through a payroll company or something like this. The people who know how to transfer, how to predict human behaviors and what to say are going to be wealthy. You guys talk about feudalism a little bit ago and I know we've talked about techno communism as one potential outcome of this, this revolution or techno feudalism, which I like a lot better because feudalism really was the king. This guy with the most powerful military was like, these two dukes won't stop fighting. They keep feuding. We need some way to stop the feud. Let's build a new system where now they serve under me. I protect both of them and ensure that all I will take care of. all the feuds. So in a feudal, a new techno feudalism, you'd have the AI would be the king. The AI would be deciding, stopping the feuds between people, either by bribing them. - Yep, also it's or killing them. Like a lot of, it could be brutal. - And it doesn't have to be. You know what's gonna happen? They're gonna offer you the choice. You're gonna get into a civil suit and they're gonna say, "If you wanna go through "the human courts, the standard procedure "is your constitutional right." And the first hearing will be in a month. AI will handle it in one hour. What do you say? - Yeah. - And AI will be like 98% of them. - I've been in lawsuits. I gotta tell ya, it sounds appealing to be like, "You know what? "Just get it over with." - All I think about those-- - Zero cost? - No court costs. - Like actually stopping like a gang from fighting another gang. Then what do you send in the drones with machine guns? I don't know. - We were driving to the studio and we're in the test lot. It's driving itself. Ian's just sitting there staring like it's driving itself. And then we were merging and another test was in front of us and it slipped within an inch of it. - It was so awesome. Like two dolphins swimming next to each other, dude. And we were wondering like, could it be that test, like do Teslas communicate with each other? - I have to really do. - After that, I mean, they must and so they can easily navigate. Now imagine, I gotta be honest, I love this. Imagine a world where every car is self-driving and there's no traffic. Because every car is communicating with every other car. - Street lights. - They all can stop and start at the same time. - Slow down ahead of time. - No street lights. - They don't, they know the-- - No roundabouts. - All just straight shots. And like the highway is packed and you're about to merge in. Before you even get to the highway, the car drops one mile an hour, creating a space for your car and you just slide right in without stopping at all, zero traffic forever. You know, I gotta be honest, I really want that to happen. - Yeah. - I like traffic. - I just like cars. - I know. - I'm going for a lot of time with traffic today. - My car's 10 years ago, it was more advanced than my car is now, 'cause I'm like purposely. When it comes to vehicles, I'm like I'm so, when it comes to like any person with technology, I'm like a full lot, and then when it comes to stuff for my actual work or job, I'm like, going as hard as I can with like the newest technology. Like I use this when I'm here, but I primarily use a flip phone like for like 90% of my time. - Is that your dumb phone? - Yeah. - Dumb down. - I dumb down, my car, it's like roll up windows. Like every, everywhere that I can-- - I don't think that I can. - It's like an old Nissan. - Okay. - You can buy 'em at the like lowest trim package. So it has like manual transmission. - After dumbing down your phone, do you feel smarter? - I don't think I feel smarter, I can think more clearly. And I feel more creative again. Like I'm starting to make like tech talks and stuff. I used to not be able to do that 'cause I literally could not think of like, I could not make a clear, concise enough thoughts to have an idea and put it together. - So I was like, you're reshoring your intellectualism. Just like we're trying to-- - Just let's noise. - It's like a smell of reshoring. - My world's just quieter, that's all it is. - You're not. - I gotta, maybe you can settle something for me. I got into this topic on my Sunday show, and I was reacting to this documentary that's just come out of an ABC Australia. And one of the experiments they did in this documentary was they took a phone and it was like a burner phone. It was a blanked phone. And they allegedly said that they pretended that they were like a 13 or 14 year old boy to see and then signed up for Instagram and whatever social media they were looking at. They're really, you know, not in the script about all that. But that within like 23 minutes I think it was, that suddenly that 14 year old boy is getting like, manosphere content, you know, funneled to him from the nebulous, beneficious, or the algorithm. The algorithm, the algorithm that's, everything is blamed on a freaking algorithm. Nothing-- - I'm glad for what though. - Well, do they're blaming it for? - They're blaming it on, well, they just said it was out there. They think that the big tech companies are funneling manosphere content, you know, phoenix, of course, they ban my stream. So it's like, I don't know how true that-- - What are they alleging has been done wrong? - They're saying, well, they're saying that if you're a 13, 14 year old boy, you're being influenced negatively by this manosphere content that is being funneled to you through the algorithm. - All right, well, let's follow on to the algorithm. - They had an opinion piece, I guess? - Well, they're trying to, well, actually, they're trying to form policy based on this because what they want to do is they want to find some way to talk to big tech to say we want you to censor this part of Twitter or whatever it is so that these guys don't get this particular influence. - It does affect policy. - It sounds like an advocacy group put on an op-ed and then is lobbying the government? - Well, the experiment is this, is that it's a blank, it's supposed to be a blank cell phone. They pretend to be a 14 year old boy. - No, I understand all that. - I wonder where you're like, how, you were just saying, the reason I thought about this is because it's the poop experiment. Like they know where you are in the house and stuff like that. And I was thinking to myself, I'm like, well, do they know where the GPS, where that phone is? Is it in Las Vegas or is it in Lincoln, Nebraska, right? Is it like, there's a lot of variables that go into it. - Are you agreeing that it's a bad thing? They're doing this? - No, no, no, I'm just wondering, could the, let's just say the blank phone be a sort of an open sort of petri dish, could it be something that's uncorrupted just by them? Like, you know, I'm gonna pretend that I'm a 14 year old boy. Doing that and having, like, say GPS, know where the thing is or the email address that they happen to you or whatever is, I don't, here's what I'm starting with. - Here's what I'm starting with. You're asking me if they use location data to send you content? - Yeah. - Well, of course, they've done that since the phone came out. - Or perhaps it's from a particular email that was, we don't know what the name of the email could have been. - I think your perception on this conveys a bit of agreement that you think it's bad they're doing it. - I think it's, well, I don't think it's this bad that they're doing it. I'm just thinking that how, how. - 'Cause like, all I hear is. - All I hear is. - All I hear is. - According to what we were just talking about. - But who cares? - I don't understand. - Like, who cares if the people who are trying to create policy based on this experiment that is in no way. - No, no, no, no, okay, again, you're saying, like, imagine I went to you and said, they created a phone and it was sending them Christmas carols, I'd say, okay, and? - No, he's saying that the Australian government and the British government are using for a cause of sbelly. It's a ban social media. - I understand, okay, I understand. What I'm saying is, the way you're approaching this is stemming from a defensive posture of, I agree it's a bad thing they're doing this. Instead of, there are activists with an opinion who are giving their opinion on the negativity of the manosphere is irrelevant to the issue of technology and the algorithm itself. It doesn't, you're saying, is it possible they did? Is it possible they didn't? None of that is relevant. The only that's relevant is the word negative that they put on the story. Because if you took the whole story and put positive smiles on your faces. If you change manosphere to Christmas carols, there's nothing going on. The only issue is they said a phone was given content that we don't like. - No, I don't care if you don't like it. That's it. So all, what you're basically saying is, leftists, activists are lobbying the government. It's like, indeed they are. I realize something about it. - You got to do the energy. You got to lobby them. - So take it down to the reduction aside of just say, what's the base motive for even doing the experiment in the first place? - Well, it's not even about the experiment because you can, if you did the exact same thing and said, we want to thank Meta. Because we found that these young men were getting healthy content sent to them to help improve their lives. It's just a framing device. It's an opinion. So yes, leftist advocates are lying about stuff all the time, like when Ian said the Chinese people should be interned, you know? - Yeah, you might be missed. I think you're the lying leftist here right now. I never said, should be. I said, maybe it looks like they should. - Okay. - The interesting thing we should avoid because it looks like maybe this thing might happen should happen and it shouldn't, but you got to read between the lines. - I'm only saying this because I was afraid that it could come with that. - What frustrates me is say the quiet part loud and get it over with. - The right always comes to the defense instead of being offensive. And I don't mean like offensive in content. What I'm saying is like every time the left says bad thing happened, the right tries to argue like the experiment was no good. Instead of like, they're giving you an opinion on whether they like your content or not. They're not telling you that meta did anything wrong. They've created a framing device to say that meta did a thing wrong. And then the reaction from the right is always to be like that's not even really happening, you're lying. Instead of arguing, oh no, meta's doing good. The content is healthy and helpful for young men. - Well, one of the reasons I bring this up is because whether it's this experiment or it's pretty much anything that has to do with my particular niche, right? It's all, their rationale is it's always the algorithm and that is the fiendish big tech companies that are deliberately corrupting the minds of 13 and 14 year old boys with Andru Tate stuff or something like that. Or corrupting it's the algorithm algorithm algorithm. And I'm like, well, the algorithm is you because you're the one that they're catering that message for in the first place. If they think you're going to go by Taco Bell, you're going to get Taco Bell ads in your money. And so I take issue with you making that argument because what you are saying is you got fed negative content because you are a person who seeks negative content. Instead of saying you Facebook is sending positive messages to young people. - So you're defining it in like positive versus negative then? - When they come out and say meta is sending young boys this toxic corrupting content and you go, no, the algorithm is sending you that content because of this that are otherwise. you are agreeing with their premise, the content is a negative. So what does the average person hear? Let's say there's a fat guy sitting on a bench who knows nothing about this. And a leftist goes, "Young men are receiving negative corrupting content." And then you look at the guy and say, "No, they receive that content because it's what they look for. What did that guy just hear?" So they are receiving awful corrupting content from the manosphere, which is awful, by the way, the manosphere's terrible, but it's not for kids. - I see, so it's agreeing, yeah. Instead of saying the content they received was wholesome and educational, and they're just mad. The guy's gonna go like, "Really?" Yeah, the content was all about self-improvement, exercise, being a better person, and they're complaining about nothing. - It's the premise of the argument and move forward coolly, dude, you dominate. - Well, that's why the best approach that I've seen rhetorically to the Australia, specifically Australia case, is just saying, and it's true, the reason why they're trying to ban social media for, was under 16 year olds, is because that's the only reason why there's so many right-wing under 16 year olds, because if their information intake was completely dependent in their schools and their life, their surroundings, they were gonna become liberals by default. Social media actually allows them to-- - Yeah, we are, we are, we are, we are. I got this super important. You said something. - We are way over time. - Phone's being petri dishes. In the future, phones are gonna be, I can hand you mine and take yours, and it will log me into my, on your phone. 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Archangel says, "Just got my America 250, no red coats board. "I ended up getting number one "of the limited edition gold boards, "and it looks absolutely sick. "Y'all knocked out of the park well worth the wait. "Let's go!" Post a picture tag in, send it to Ian. We're working on a comic about Ian the red coat, betraying the revolution. And we actually have, we actually have the treatments for the first and second one. The first one's actually, it should be almost done. So we're gonna sell those on the site. You can buy the comic book. And it's-- - It's like he'd off of Benedict Arnold. - Yeah, bring 'em back to the registry. - Well, like the goal is, we're not gonna straw man the position of Ian's betrayal. We're steel manning the position. He explained the position of Ian as he betrays the revolutionaries is to make a lot of the points that the loyalists had against the revolution because there were many. Not that I agree with them. - Benedict Arnold revisionism. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm on your team. - Basically, like-- - And the-- - Actually, Canada's awesome. - Shout out Sarah. - The British Crown is defending our trade vessels and asking that we pay our share of this security and you are demanding instead to cut it off, we'll be left with nothing. So having Ian actually, you know, and then also there's a gag from the show where it's like, "You always made fun of me "and said my ideas were stupid. "Well, who's stupid now?" And then, you know, we shoot 'em. But then episode two is called Ian's Revenge 'cause he doesn't die. So spoiler, but the only reason I'm spoiling that is because in the first comic, like we already said there was gonna be a second one and it's gonna be a series. So those boards took a long time-- - All this being a popular comic. (laughing) - What am I missing? - These boards were all American-- - All the points, no. (laughing) - These skateboards were all American made so they took a long time. So I apologize for the wait, but congratulations on the number one and they were 10, they're gold. And they absolutely-- - That's a good deal, man, that's art. - Yeah, so we've gotta work on the next boards, of course. The problem is we had three factors go to business. Americans are struggling. And so we were trying to do one release per month of limited edition boards. We're gonna do small batch, 200, 300 boards every month 'cause they sell out like an hour or two. And not everybody can get 'em. And then this one took three, four months. I mean, look, you ordered three months ago. Four months ago almost, because the factories all went out of business. They just, Americans, factories are struggling. Everything's going to China. - These are the boards you had hanging on the wall. - Some of them over there, yeah. - Very beautiful, yeah. - Yep, so we lost our third factory because American factories are closing. And everyone keeps saying, "Just do China." You'll get your boards overnight and it'll cost you half the price. - And do China. - Nope, we won't do it. What's the point? - Yeah. - I'm like making money off sacrificing everything around me devise the point of even doing this show. If I ever got to the point where I'd be like, "I'll just do China boards," I'd stop doing this show. What's the point? - I feel like-- - I just go make money, I don't know, selling subscriptions to like hair salons. - Just to steal man, George Alexopoulos. I feel like that's what he's going through right now. He's like, "I'm not gonna use Chinese boards. Like he's not touching AI." He was like, "I'm gonna have to. " - Yeah, but this is different. 'Cause we've talked about this on the show. It's one thing if a skateboard factory emerged and they said, "We don't need the employees anymore. We can press 100 boards an hour." We'd go with them. We'd be like, "It's unfortunate. All those factories went out of business, but we need a reliable partner." America, let's go. If he was like, "I'm not gonna use sea dance," I'd say, "Okay." Fight dance. All right. Major says the Democrats have massive ties with Big Tech. Did they throw the last election with Kamalares knowing she was right around the corner, leaving their Republicans with the tab? I tweeted this. Kamalares is gonna win in 2028. (clearing throat) - You don't, you know. - No, he thinks it's not gonna happen, but he wants her to run. - Make her-- - I want it happen. - I think Kamala is a shoe-in, actually. - Yeah, Kamala-- - I'm a big Kamala guy. - I think that right now when you're looking at early voting data showing how bad Republicans are doing and the fact that Republicans are bifurcated, it looks like we're entering into an election cycle where there's two Republican parties in one Democrat party with a tumor. But the DSA is going to vote for whatever chaos they can get. So with the breakaway faction of the Republicans, if they lose three, four points, how do you stop Kamalares from winning? Like listen, look, she got like, which gets 74 million votes. - I don't, I think that we'll see a resurgence of that unity post-primary, whatever the 20/28 field shapes up to be because this happens all the time. You see that graph on Twitter, which is like the left ID logs all conjoined in one circle and then the ride is all very disoriented and spread out. The right left economy doesn't really work in America 'cause what it is, it's the collective of chuds against whatever the left is doing. And so we have that as a fallback. So, you know, come 20/28, Lord willing if things are turning around here and there, I'm really hoping that Kamala does win the prime. - Who do you want to be the Republican candidate? - I don't know. - Vance or Rubio? - That's the same thing. - I'm thinking of Rubio. - Hippie Treehugger says Tim, I get it. There's other software that, there's software other than Adobe. The subscription model is the problem. Moreover, Adobe got flack when they use their software to steal art to train their AI. So if Adobe goes under, I will celebrate it. So let me just say, Adobe used to cost like 600 bucks for the license, but they couldn't stop piracy. So they switched to subscription models and you had to be online to use it periodically. And now the program itself is free. I don't care if you like or don't like Adobe by all means, celebrate it. The point is a $95 billion market cap has no product. What do you think will happen to the stock market? You got money in stocks for one case? - S&P kaboom. - They still have a product. - Kaboom. - It's the open source product. So they will still sell subscriptions, but their mouth is going to end up. - Yeah, what's going to keep Adobe going? And it really is, is enterprise suite, the connectivity that comes with their enterprise and their cloud services. That's what they have going for. - You're right about it. - The art craft suite has all of that to, what is art craft is the, - So someone who cloned the entire enterprise suite. - That's so awesome. - Identically, one for one. It's free. - So much of these companies are just going to be relying on like legacy usage. - It's honestly the only reason why I don't use DaVinci. It's because I grew up using-- - But there's going to be a problem with publicly traded companies when they are looking at high costs and the competitors are going down. - Oh, they're definitely going to lose in the long run. - So what's going, this is not going to be a longstanding thing where the companies slowly fade away because of generational gaps in knowledge. It's going to be Q1. They're going, our rivals are showing earnings of 7% and we're down. Five, where can we cut costs? And they're going to say, well, our rival is they've all switched to the art craft open source suite and that's saving them $200,000 per year. And they're going to say, we have to do that. And the shareholders are going to have meetings and you're going to get the phone calls where they say, why are you guys still paying 50 grand a month for the Adobe suite for your company? The art craft suite is free. And they're going to say, we're looking at it, we're like, that pressure is going to come rapidly. so you've been wrapped up in the industry a lot longer than I have I'm curious what what do you think Adobe's move to get out of this bundled there's nothing there's nothing so they're going away in the next couple of months they could convert into AI server space like I mean they could really double down or triple shoe companies they don't have they don't have the server space to justify 95 billion it's not an agile move now they become like they're saying about the British permanent AI rentals renters software is done sick we are we listen I don't even need Adobe yeah when I'm editing videos it clawed at its the video by code it literally just puts time stands and writes the code for editing the video doesn't even use a program I don't I have film craft and I use it for some touchups like if I want to put an N card in I don't even have to do that I can literally take my video put it into a clawed and say add this N card and it'll go boop spit it right out yeah so 200 bucks a month and every software so what you do is you create a workspace this is what I like to include a credit workspace pen it and give it a job then I will refine the job it's doing so I've got one instance I don't call them agents because it's one program with various instances and I'll say make a video like this it makes it it sucks do it this way it sucks do it this way I really like that one make another one perfect you nailed it copy and then I say everything you just did that was perfect write it down and save it yeah I then make that instance specifically for that one task if you then go to and create a new chat and say do the same thing it will not do it you have to give it some training and then once it has it I say write this down as a skill save it and then I can port it from clot the GPT you can have have it write in clot MD if you want to get it out of the chat and get a perma we get 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all all six of my books and soon to be seventh book and pretty much every transcript everything I've ever done on video is all sort of we have creates the the brain of the whole engine and this is actually how I sort of started learning a little bit more about AI and understanding how how things are built uh but it's not just about me it's not just a clone I didn't want it to be like a clone because we we have some of the girls that are on the show and they have they're only fans girls but they have AI clones of themselves now so that uh if you wanted to talk to some girl that's you know 245 in the morning and she's actually a sleep you think she's actually talking to you in a wake right then and there but they've created you know AI clones this is not an AI clone of me it's an engine that everybody is sort of contributing to and the more we use it the better it sort of it grows and it creates uh I you know sort of this aggregate of you know my knowledge and red pill knowledge and and 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