Drug Kingpin Inherited His Murdered Father's Crack Empire

My dad, he had cops on his team. They were going bus drug dealers. He was still all the keyloes and give them to my dad. And my dad was selling them. Before he went to the prison, he had this Bell's Bunsman that was holding money. He had money everywhere. And when my dad had to go get the money, they killed him. I got in the game when I was probably about 15. Start a young. I come from seeing my dad have several houses. So that's what I was doing. I get a bunch of crack houses. I had three crack houses on one street. You had to spend $2,300 to deal with me. And we moved thousands of pounds. [MUSIC PLAYING] He would have his dad call people. So he would make a cut just like he was there off of his dad, just calling people that he knew. So I was one of the guys that his dad called. And I went there and he was a maskiner. And the maskin was, again, tired of dealing with that type of business and dealing with this people, this many people, this many people. And he knew at the end of the day, he would have a large amount of money on him that he would have to leave. So there's one particular night. Well, before they call me over there, I go to get some pounds from him at the time. I think I buy like 30 pounds from him. But it's Reggie, I like, they in the blocks or whatever. Brapped in like the tan, like tape or whatever. But I get the block, they get them from. And as I'm getting them from him, he's telling me he want to deal with me because he liked the way how I was moving from the split of time that he did that I was there. And we actually switched phone numbers. I say about two days later, I was getting ready to get in the bed. It was about 12 o'clock, 12 a.m. I'm getting ready to get in bed. My phone ring. And I normally, I don't answer the phone. After 12 o'clock, I'm gonna come outside. I don't answer phone calls. But there's one particular night, my phone ring, and I grabbed it and I looked. And when I seen who it was, I put the phone back down. He called again. And I grabbed the phone. And I'm like, what is he calling me for this time of night? So I said, fuck it, I'm gonna answer the phone. I'm like, hello. And he's like, dude, I can barely. He speak broken English or whatever. But he's like, can you come and get me? I'm like, come and get you. He's like, please, please come and get me. So I'm like, where's your way? He said, work departments, please. I'm outside, I don't know, just come and get me. I talk to you, please come. I said, I'm on my way. This my first time meeting him, I don't know, but I can tell that he was about business. So I went and picked him up, brought him to my house. When I picked him up, he was scared. And I'm like, what's going on? And the guy that I told you that he was coming down the front, he felt like that guy was trying to rob him, like seeing guys to rob him. 'Cause he was, what he would do was come down, stay at this guy's dad's house, to all the way he was going, and then he would go back to, he would come back to Houston. He would go to Houston. So there's one particular night he called me, and I go, I pick him up, I take him to my house, and I'm sitting down and I'm like, so now I'm like, I got to talk to him, you know, I, he heard that in my house, I'm not gonna go to sleep, but the conversations that I went to having with him, I felt comfortable, I'm like, hey, you can sleep on. He was telling me, he called some girl from Houston, and it was like a five hour ride. At the time, it was like a six hour drive without the new highways and stuff, they didn't build. So she drive down here, but that six hours, he stayed right there in my house. And he told me that we had conversations and he was like, my friend, if I can help you make $1,000, if I can help you make $10,000, if I can help you make $10,000, I can help you make $100,000. If I can make you make $100,000, we can make millions. This, this what he telling me, I didn't bought 30 pounds from him two days ago, but this what he telling me, he sitting in her, I don't actually know about how much money, if me guessing and me knowing money, I say he probably had $1,000,000 in the bag of me knowing money and I'm like, you, I'm telling him, you good at her, you good, you don't have to worry about that. So yeah, she finding, she making her, she picking up. Actually, I went and went to sleep and I told him, you know, once you leave out, just, you know, lock the door, just turn this little thing, lock the door. And he left for whatever, but when he made it to Houston, he called me and he asked me what I would be willing to continue to do the business. I'm like, shit, yeah. So you became his main guy. I became the main guy. And what were the tickets on those square joints? And the crazy thing about it, because when I was dealing with the other guy, I was paying like 500 to 475, depending on how many I was getting. He dropped the ticket, I went down to like 250. So now, now you can sell to everybody. Now I can sell to everybody, because I was getting them for that price. And so it was like, keep in mind, I've been getting them for like 475 to 500. So that means I got to sell them for 550 to 575. So now I was still selling them for that price, but I was getting them for like 250. And he probably just sends it to you and says, when you're done, send me the money back. Actually, and this is how we was doing it, right? At first, he was continued to doing it, how he was doing it, he would come down. Once he got comfortable enough, and we had dead enough business, I'd say we running about two years. We running, I'm talking about, we running. And what he would do is he'll bring him down. And I would give him the money, and when I get finished, let him know, but the thing was, when you get down to the last 50 pounds or so, call me. You know, so that's way by time you out, you will have more, you will have more weed. So that's what we was doing, and how many was he, how many was he leaving with you? At the, he was leaving about 125. He was leaving like 125. And I'm, at the time, when it first jumped off, I was still trying to push him off for like 5575. And it was going, but then the people that I was dealing with was realizing like he's having too much weed. And they started playing games with me. Oh, we can go ahead and get him for that price. So I went to kind of like slowing me down, and it wasn't to kind of make me angry. And I'm like, you get them for 250. I'm like, you the plug, they just don't know it. So I was like, fuck it, I'm gonna drop the ticket. I don't know if I can say that, but I was like, I'm gonna drop the ticket. So I dropped the ticket to 450. And by me drop, but you had to get so many of them. You know, so I'm running, I'm rolling, I'm rolling, I'm rolling itself about two years. We running this thing. I'm talking about everything moving smooth, no police involved, like, no nothing. We just running them for like about two years. And this is Reggie weed. Yeah, this is Reggie weed. And what kind, describe that kind of weed? 'Cause I'm from the West Coast. We never even saw that. We always had good weed. See, okay, like, with the Reggie weed, sometimes it depends. Like, it wasn't always like the blocks. And what I mean, the blocks is like compressed weed. Sometimes those compressed weeds be good as weed. Sometimes it be bullshit. Sometimes it be like just compressed, trying to get it over here. It can be the same like, because it used to be two forms of weed. Sometimes I would get the like, we would call it corn. We would call it popcorn. That's what we'd call it. It looked similar like, 'cause a drone, but it had seeds. Just, you know, you find a few seeds. Some of them didn't have seeds. But it was, that weed can press sometimes. The only thing it was in fluff, but sometimes we did get those. And when I got those, no, the price changed then. And the South was used to smoking that kind of mid-level weed. Like, that was considered good weed until very recently. Yeah, like, for a long time, and some people is actually still smoking Reggie. Like, in Texas, in part of Texas, in Arkansas, in Louisiana, people still smoking Reggie weed. Like, I'd be watching people's stories. I mean, you know, videos, people saying like, there's no more Reggie weed. And Mexicans don't do it that's on the line. That's a lot. It's just a different market. It's cheaper now. It's just cheaper. And you gotta think about it. Some people came to Ford. Some people came to Ford to good weed. Even though the cushion, the prices that came down, people still came to Ford. They like, man, you're telling me I can spend $30 and go get 28 grams of some weed versus me spending $100 for three grams. You know, so it's like, they're gonna go. Honestly, from what I know about that Cali weed that's grown in these greenhouses and shit, I'd rather smoke the Reggie 'cause it's a lot healthier. They don't spray. They don't spray none on it, it's just Reggie weed. I'm not gonna lie, some of the Reggie weed be good weed. I'm not gonna say I was smoking down, but some people like I have family members that still smoke Reggie weed. - So you really were raised in the game? - Yeah, I was raised. - Like by old school southern gangsters. - Yeah. - What was Texarkana, what was growing up there like? - Growing up in Texarkana, man, it was wild, man. It was fun too, but it was like, you saw a lot of the older guys with the jury on, with the fat against the white walls around the tires, they drove Cadillacs, and my dad was one of those guys, you know? And it was like, I got the good life, but then some parts of my life, I got a bad life, but it was pretty good growing up there. - With Texarkana, that's East Texas, right on the border with Arkansas and Louisiana right there. - Yeah. - So I feel like that's the south, like the culture there is. - And even Oklahoma, you know it's, even Oklahoma got border lines on Texas too. - Right. - To where you crossed the line, you'd be in Oklahoma. - So your dad was running things. - He was running things. When I say he was running things, he was running things. And it took me to get older to realize like what was going on because I seen a lot. Let me tell you something. I remember coming out the house, right, not coming out the house, coming down the stairs. I met my mom's house. And I come down stairs when I see my dad, but I also see a lot of his friends. And when I see his friends, I get so excited because I know my dad's gonna give me money. All his friends are gonna give me money. And I'm gonna give a big bag of candy. And I was wondering, how would I get all this candy? Like why was they giving me all this candy? This candy was in the bag, but it wasn't in candy wrappers. And I used to always wonder that. And I called him. I come down the stairs, all his buddies there. This is my first time I got introduced to crack cocaine. I come down the stairs. And when I come down the stairs, I'm looking and I'll get excited. I see everybody in the routine. Everybody get to give me money. Little Frankie, little Frankie, little Frankie. That was my dad's name by the way. His name was Frank and they little Frankie. And he'd go in this pocket and he'd pull out wide of money and give me money and my uncles and his friends. They all give me money because they all, my uncles and stuff was all under my daddy, even on my mama's side. And they gave me money, but they also had to me that big, the bag of candy that I'm telling, but the candy I'm seeing where it come from. They used to have these candy wrappers that you turn it, you twist it like this. And it was white, the package was white, but it had green and orange polka dots on it. I never forget it. And it looked like crack. But what they would do was they would chop the crack up and they would put in these candies and they would wrap 'em. My daddy used to always tell me when I saw those packages a lot and I used to try to know son, that is candy, but not the candy, you eat. And I was like, that's candy, but not the candy I eat. So now is, I'm like, oh, what's going on rare? But I'm experiencing it's life that a key can exist. What's up everybody? A lot of you have been asking how you can get on the show. Here's the deal. If you think you or someone you know would be a good fit for the show, email us. Connect podcast [email protected]. That is the only way to get on the show. I don't check my DMs very much. I oftentimes miss messages on Facebook. So you got to shoot me an email. Let me know why you or somebody you know would be a good fit for the show. Tell us your story and then give us a way to get a hold of you. We check that all of the time and we will get back to you. Once again, it's connect podcast [email protected] and we will leave a link to that in the description of the episode. All right, let's get back into it. So the crack was killing it. Even in the '90s crack was booming in that little town. Yeah. So your dad had the plug? Yeah, my dad had the plug. See, my dad, oh man, he had cops on his team not saying like the cops to where he was telling on people, but he was telling on people. But he was telling on people to get that cocaine. All right, going to that. He had a police of the head of the narcotics and what they would do was they were going bus drug dealers. That's how my daddy became so big because anybody that tried to get on that level, they were going buss him. And he would take some type of how he was still all the dope. He was still all the key lows and give him to my daddy. And my dad was selling. And then split the money with the cop. And they was doing this for years, like listening to my uncle named him and friends, they was doing this for years until the cop got busted. And once the cop got busted, he was like, he tried to like push everything off on my dad, but he didn't have enough evidence to do it. Like him and my daddy, like they were so good of a friend to the point to where I like, like I said, my daddy had three or four houses. So it was like actually probably four or five houses, because as I know now, one of those houses was like, actually all the houses was actually drug houses, but one house was like a safe house. And but as I got older, I realized that it was on different levels that he was dealing with. He had houses that he was selling rocks out of. He had houses that you go and get houses and quarters and stuff like that from. And he had houses that you come about a big weight from. And he had the house to where it was just, you know. It was crazy, like cars everywhere. Like cars everywhere, like I've seen a lot, but so it's like the cop wind up getting busted and he tried to pin it off on my dad, but it didn't wind up sticking. So what they wind up doing was suspended him for that from that force and moved him to another state and he still became a police where he was at. Crazy. Even I even got a story with this one time, the cop, that same cop, the anytime that my dad was like getting too hot, he would let my dad know. So this one day, the cops was coming to raid the house. And I was, remember, it was me, my dad and my two brothers and my dad had this firebird. I never forget it was a firebird and it was badass. It was gold and we riding around and he got a phone call. And as he else in his phone, it's like everything changed. The car went to roll. I liked the way the car sound. It was like, at first, I thought he did it because he knew I liked the way the car sound, but he on his phone and he's driving, he's dodging cars and I'm like, man, my brothers, we kind of scared now because he kind of like dodging cars and stuff. But we pulled up in one of our houses and this house, it was a driveway, and I know this day we was on our way heading home to one of our houses. And this particular house, it had a driveway but it was nothing but dirt. And we pulled up in the yard, dirt like going everywhere, dust going everywhere. My dad jumped out the car and he'd take it off running. He ain't normally when we pull up in, he'd get me and my brothers and stuff out the car. But this day, he jumped out the car and he's running. And I'm standing up and I'm in the seat and I'm looking. I'm like, what's going on? He's back there setting the house on fire. As this time, I don't know that he's setting the house on fire at this time. I noticed him come running from the back of the house, back up to the front of the house. But I see him with a red jug and he's just gashing it on the house and he's making his way up to the front and he's gashing it on the house. As he's doing this, he's throwing matches down at the same time. But I see the back of the house and you see the flames, you see the smoke, you see the flames coming up. And me and my brothers, now we starting to get scared because we little boys or whatever, we starting to get scared. So then as we're doing this, I'm hurting. Policies are, I see polices coming from everywhere, whatever. So what happened was my dad had some pounds of weed in that house and he had some bricks in that house. And if he wouldn't have set the house on fire, they'd call it. That's a whole house went up in flames. The whole house went up in flames and burnt the whole house. [BLANK_AUDIO] and the work, the work and everything. The cops were standing outside. Franky got them and we smell it. We smell it. Get that fire out of here. Get that fire down. And the fire fire down, they wait for them. The whole neighborhood's getting high. Yeah, the whole neighborhood's getting sick of that. And you can smell it. You can smell it in the air. Could you smell the cocaine? You can smell the cocaine. You can smell the marijuana. You can smell it burning inside of this house. So what they did, so they was trying to hurry up and get the fire people there because he put fire all around the house. So it was like you couldn't get in. So a police, I guess, wasn't trained to go inside of a burning house. So they trying to get the fire department. They calling for the fire department. So I'm hearing police, Cyrus, fire trucks, they come. But it was too late. Because when they did try to put the fire, it burnt it down. Did you catch an arson charge? Yeah, I think that's what they took in the jail for. Because at the time, they couldn't prove that he was the one that set the house on fire. So we were standing outside of the car right there with my dad, and there was cops standing around. And we heard these cops yelling and cussing. And it was just like a big commotion. So your dad was like a real old school player. He was a fucking sharp guy. Yeah. Like, I'm gonna send you some pictures. Like my dad had to like mafia type cars. Like, I'm gonna send you some pictures of him. Like, even over my dad, you know, before you could see what he looked at, like, but yeah, he was like a monster type guy but a drug deal. And he probably was connected with cartels, right? Yeah, he was bringing him in those actual joints. From my, like, listening to my uncles tell me things about him and stuff. Like, my dad, he was dealing with, I don't know, when the Jamaicans came into Dallas and took over Dallas. My dad, he was dealing with them. My dad, my dad, he was dealing with J. Prince senior. Like, my dad was like up in that, you know. He'd been dealing with the Colombians. He was dealing with the Mexicans. Even the Jamaicans, they had kidnapped my dad. Did Jamaicans kidnapped him? Yeah, because they was afraid. They'd thought my dad was a cop. They thought that my dad was trying to set them up because he was, he was buying too much dope. They was like, hi, this one guy that's coming from this small town buying all his dope. Do you remember when they kidnapped him? Yeah. They held him for ransom? Yeah, they had him. My uncles had to go and get him back. It had, I'm gonna tell you the story of him. They kidnapped my dad. They sent call my dad, Ashley, he came to Houston. He went to Houston to score whatever. Instead of him scoring, they kidnapped him. And one of the guys that was with my dad that was friends with Jamaicans, he was also friends with my dad. And he knew my uncle back in Texas County. And they kidnapped him. So my grandma, my uncles, everybody linked with my dad. They had him from like four, five days before my uncle, actually, for my uncle knew him, actually went and got him. And they didn't know, at first my dad, they was trying to figure out what they was gonna do with him. Like if they was gonna, you know, like take his life far. They was trying to figure out what they was gonna do with him. So the guy that was with, with my dad, when they, you know, like kidnapped him or whatever, he came, he drove all the way from Houston to Texas County looking for my uncle because he didn't have my uncle's phone number. And so he just riding around the town and Texas County. You can get around that whole town within 30 minutes. And if you're looking for somebody, you gonna find him. So he looking for my uncle, he found my uncle. And he like, man, they got your brother. They got your brother. He like, come down. Who got my brother? Yeah, we've been looking for him. Well, this, but my brother thought my dad had done got some girl who took her out of town and they just, you know, 'cause he was rich. But come to find out they had kidnapped my dad. No, did you makin's got your dad? How you know that you makin'? I was with them. I was with your dad. We went to go do the deal and stay at and doin' the deal. They kidnapped your dad. Well, this ain't soundin' right, what you mean? Well, they feel that your brother Frank is the police because where is he getting all this money from to buying all these drugs? Like he was like, he could've been up, they want, they didn't have to sell no drugs to nobody but him. And he would've bought all of 'em. And they was tryin' to figure out how was he doin' it. So my uncle went, go get my cousin, which is his nephew and he's old. He grew up in California. So his mind kinda like, he crippin'. So his mind kinda throwed a little bit. So he's a yawster, but my uncle go to him. We gotta go and get your uncle, they gotta move this net. So he like, how are we gonna get 'em? This how they got 'em. The guy that was with him knew the guy's wife and knew where he lived. So my uncle and my cousin, which is my uncle nephew, they go and kidnap his wife, call your husband. When did you make him sing that my uncle's name had his wife? My dad got hooked. So there's how my dad, you know what I mean? In a certain sense, they weren't wrong. He was workin' with cops. But you know how he was workin'? You know who operates like that? Mexican cartels. If one cartel say Cinaloa is tryin' to move in on Juarez, they'll find, I mean, also they lay down the murder game, right? But what they'll do is they'll call up their contacts and the military and say, hey, there's a big meth cook over here and they'll go bust those dudes and then they move in. It's part of a strategy. So that's kind of, and your dad was doin' something. Yeah, and I kinda feel like that's what my dad was tryin' to do. Do you think he actually was an informant? No, he wasn't an informant. Okay. He wasn't an informant. Because I would get to that kind of like, you know, when he come home because he wound up coming home and then he wound up losing his life or whatever. And we had a conversation about that, so we're gonna get into that, you know. So your dad was bringin' in like hundreds of squares? He had to be. I can't say, I can like, I can actually get the number, but my dad was dealin' with everybody, but the only people he was on is with is what's the Mexicans. Right. He wasn't even, I don't know what happened with him in the Colombians, but the Colombians came looking for my dad. And how they did it was they sent some women. They sent some real beautiful women at them. And they knew my dad was crazy about women. So that's how they had got them. But once they got them, I guess the Colombians, all they wanna do is sell their dope. That's all they wanna do. So if you can pay me right now and we can keep this thing going, that's all they want. You can bein' runnin' from them for a year or two. But when they catch you, if you got some, the money, and you continue to wanna do business, they down for business, they just know they're gonna take your life whenever they catch you if you run off on them. So, but like the, or not the Indians, the Mexicans was the only thing that he was kind of like, understood with. Because everybody else seems kind of like just pushin' over. I guess because the cop, where him and the cop had goin' on, he got some big with his ego to the point the world. He was like, yeah, I just get a few keys. I tell you, put you out of business. Hey, I gotta go to this guy or her, sell a few keys. I'ma go and jump the lickin'. When you give 'em to me, I know that's all you got. So, I'm not gonna pay you. Like, so he would take keys off of a connect and then snitch on them. No, call the cop. No, he would only snitch on them. Not on the cop. On his competition. No, yes, then that's the guys that's in the hometown. And what he would do, he would call the like, say for instance, you in Texas or Canada and you doin' your thing, you makin' noise, what he would do is call his homeboy and say, hey, Bob over there, he's gettin' it in. Word on street is, he got a few kilos over there. Yeah, I'ma figure out where they at. You and your boys goin' there and get 'em. They wouldn't take 'em to jail. They was straight up jackin'. Straight up jackin' 'em. These are the cops jackin' the cops. Yeah, and see the cops had his guys on his team. Like, he was the main, the cop was like the main guy on his team. And everybody that worked that under him was under him. And they was okay with it until everything came down and they started tellin' on it. That small town corruption is on a different level. People don't believe it, but especially in a place like Texas, dude. It's corrupted. When I tell you it's corrupted, like even right to this day, I even got a, when we get it just on it to me on that, I even got a, you know, a story with the cops. But it wasn't like on a level with my dad, you know? It wasn't on that type of level, though. So what ended up happening to your dad that sent him to prison for the first time? I'ma, actually, he'd been to prison like two times. The first time he went to federal prison, and I want to say he did like a year or two. And he went there because what actually made my dad got into drugs was that he went to the fence for two years. And he was breaking in houses. At the time, my dad was breaking in houses. And he was looking for Rolexes. He broke into his house and he stole his Rolex, it was a gold Rolex. And the guy asked him, he got asked him, "Hey, that's a nice watch you got there." And he was like, "Yeah." And he was like, "Can I see it?" And my dad showed it to him. And he was like, "Oh, I get you 10 grand for it." At the time, my dad like 17. And he like, "Give her." So it's like, now he didn't got this 10 grand for this watch. So it's like, he went to breaking houses. So he just got to breaking in houses, just looking for Rolexes. Some houses, and that's the only thing he was looking for. He wasn't taking nothing else but Rolexes. Nothing but Rolexes. So that's what he was doing. And this one particular day, he took my one particular time. He took my uncle with him, which is his big brother. He took him with him and he told him, we only looking for Rolexes. We only looking for Rolexes. Well, it was a checkbook there. They left a checkbook laying on the dress. And my uncle took that checkbook. And when they left the house, it was no Rolexes. And my dad kind of mad because my uncle said, that's like the third, fourth house. My dad said, he didn't went into it. And he couldn't find no Rolexes. And he wanted to make some money. Well, my uncle got this checkbook. And he's telling my dad, hey, we can get some money, but we can't be too greedy. And he telling my dad, like, what is it? And he's like, we can write these checks. And he's like, a dad, like, man. He's like, dude, I'm telling you. So my uncle wrote himself out of check. And he went in cash, but he was checking like $1,500. And he went through. So my dad, and he come back. He told my dad write your checkbook about no more than $2,000. So when my dad did, he was like, I'm gonna do it. He was like, I'm gonna put $10,000 on the check. He was the $10,000. He got his first $10,000 and that's all he wanted. And he put $10,000 on the check. And they cashed. They cashed the check. But guess who came and picked him up about a few days late. The feds. That's right. That's how he went and did those two years in the federal prison. And that's where he got connected. That's where he got connected into the drug world. He kind of met a nigga, a guy in Houston, and we went to tell him like, dude, we can cook this crack. I'm just cocaine and we can turn to crack and we can do this and we can do that. But my dad was like, he used to know, he knew about the crack or whatever, but that was his thing. He was more of like a lady's man wanting it to $10,000. And he breaking houses, looking for Rolex and he got into that world. And when he got into that world, he got big and man, he was, he probably was probably about a 10-year-old run. Wow. So why was Texarkana? Why is that little town so profitable? How was he able to move all that weed and coke? Because it's so small, but you got other little cities that's connected to it. There's probably people, population probably $5,000, $5,000 people are 10,000 people, but you got so many small towns and those people don't got nothing to do with they money. There's like people that stay on where you got forms and stuff like that. So he was connected in all these towns from like Louisiana, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Texas, all the way up to like Dallas. Yeah, there's a lot of money in these town towns. Yeah, even even the small towns that's heading towards Houston, like Nakadoosh's Tyler, he's like my dad was like moving out back down through there. Wow. So you grew up kind of under this tutelage of like a drug kingpin. Yeah. Wow. So when did you get in the game? I got in the game when I was probably about 15, started young. My dad left when I was when I was in the second grade, I never forget. I was wondering why my dad like basically switched up his total lifestyle. He went from us having four or five houses to we and his. My dad is in this little bitty ass fucking apartment and I'm like, but I don't know kind of like he was on the run. The cops was looking for him. But see, I'm gonna tell you how to what happened before we switch over to me. My dad was in Houston and he was trying to get the drugs from Houston. I guess the back then, they was using gray hounds and stuff and he would take the brick some people and he was put them on the gray hound and sent them to Texas County. Well it is one particular day. They do the routine and whatever and they go to Houston and he got his, my brother's mom because me and my brother, we don't got the same mom. He had his mama with him and my uncle had his girlfriend with him and they go to the bus station and it's a cop in there and the cop in the arm, I'm gonna see the article. In the article it says that a guy came in and it's around the time that they noticed that their gray hound station has been used as a drug hub. People coming in from all over the states to Houston were transporting drugs and so my uncle, he goes in this bus station and when he goes in there, he don't notice it's a cop walking around and he buys two bus tickets and the cop, he don't know the cop is watching him. The cops say that what was drawn to him was the way he was dressed and he just dressed like a drug dealer. So the cops sit there and watch them, watch them walk out the bus station, watch them walk up to a car. As he was walking to the car, he noticed two females come walking from this car. He handed them two bus tickets. My dad was in the car, he couldn't, he said he knew that it had to be a fourth guy because nobody got out the driver seat and he couldn't see through the window of the driver seat but he knew somebody had to be a driver of that car. So they see my uncle give him the tickets, they let them come in, get on the bus and before the bus leave, the cops get on and say, you come with me and they get the brakes. How are you trying to get? In the paper, I mean the article said that it was two but my dad said it was more than it. My dad said it was more, he said back then that's what cops would do. They would take a lot of keys and they would only turn in so many of them. So I'm thinking that's what his guy was doing, like they'll take so much cocaine but they would write it like they just took a little bit of stuff like that but they do that so they catch him and as they catch them they want him to like tell them like who's this for. So my uncle's girlfriend is like, it's Frank's, it's Frank's, he was just getting on his bus to bring it to Frank and his baby mama, which is my brother mama, like yes, he is. So they put them on the bus to bring them back to Texas County but my daddy will, he been to the federal prison, he didn't do it two years so he moved like the cartel and he don't trust nothing. If you two minutes late or ten minutes, he's thinking something different, right? They didn't pull up on the bus that they was supposed to pull up on. They pulled up on the one that was later so that was a red flag. They call my dad told him to come get him, he didn't ever pull up. So what they did was wound up taking him to jail. So my dad wound up bunting out his baby mother, the other girl, he was going to get out of jail but she wound up getting out of jail now she's working, she willing to get on the stand and that's how he went to prison. Okay, how much time did he go to the feds? Now he didn't even go to the feds, they was wanting him to go to the feds but that was the only thing that they had on him, it wasn't enough. The feds looked at it like they didn't want it. After all the buns, my dad had made a million dollar bun, out of everything that he defed, they didn't want them. So the stay had gave him like 51 years and he did some of that time, got out and they wound up killing Bell's Bunsman. Before he went to the prison, he had this Bell's Bunsman that was holding money, he had money everywhere. And they was holding a million dollars, a quarter million dollars worth of gold. They was holding, buried and they back yard. So my father came home, he wanted that money and they didn't want to give it to him. So they murdered him, they murdered. What happened? He goes to get the money and we go to get the money. I'm with him today, we go and try to get the money. We go and we try to get the money, we pull up at the Bell's Bunsman House and this like our second third time, third time going and trying to get this money, he just goes nuts. Get the fuck out of my yard, I'm not paying you anything, what is this, but where they come to find out is that once he found out that he had cancer, he started spending the money, pulling the money just because he knew he was just a dog. The Bell's Bunsman Bell's Bunsman. So he thought that he would die before my daddy even got out of prison. But my dad wasn't getting out of prison while he was still alive. And he was talking to my dad, telling my dad like, get the fuck out of here, don't you ever come back around here, this what we gonna do and my dad like looking at him like, oh piece of shit I was, but he did it. Wow. And what he did was, Lord my daddy told him about telling him that, okay I'm gonna give you the money. And when my daddy go get to get the money, they kill him. They put him in a trunk of his car driving to Texas. I drive him from Texas to Dallas, Texas, just in the order, you can look this stuff up. He they drove him to Texas County, I mean from Texas County to Dallas on the north side of Dallas and they parked them at apartment complex. And my grandma, me, every we all looking for him and whatever, he's not answering the phone. His old lady is sitting on her porch and she noticed, you know, old people knows, she's sitting on her porch and she's like, who cat like is this? This cat like been sitting here for like five days, it is clean too. And so she on the six day, the six morning, she was looked at the car and she was like, and she walked up to the car. She noticed the car was clean but the truck looked dirty, it had smells on it and she was like, this weird. She walked away from the car but some told her to turn around and look at the ground. And she looked at the ground and she was like, once she looked at the ground, she see that blood had been leaking. And she noticed the smell so she called the cops and they come, it was my dad. RIP Frank. He would have been a great guest for this show. Yeah. Man, if he could have came on this show, I might can get my uncle to come on her, man, they got some crazy stories like, I got so many stories with him, bro. They don't make gangsters like that. No, they don't. It was even when he made a home before he left prison, they tried to put a mirror on. He was smart. He had some people knock off or whatever. But this one particular body was a guy that was going to rat on him and the only way to keep the guy from ratting on him was to get him going. It was crazy. It's because the night that this stuff happened, the night that the guy lost his life but the night that made the guy that turned the snitching, I was there. But I didn't know what was going on. I remember us being in the hotel room and we had like three motels, but I was only going to one of them. And the police busted that room and got some kilos and we out celebrating as we come back cops everywhere and they took that guy to jail and we hauled ass from Houston back to Texas County. My dad running the ditch. We sitting in the ditch for about two hours for the tow truck guy coming, got us and changed the tire and all this type of stuff. But I'm young. I don't know what's going on. I figured out all this when I get older to know from my uncles and my cousins who was around that was like, you was there. So he was bringing you along doing business even though you were kind of too young to understand exactly what was going on. He was even hiding that stuff from me, bro. He would put that stuff in my underwear and stuff. What stuff? Crack. Like, nothing but crack rocks. That shit used to hurt. And drive you to wherever you used to. I was a kid and I didn't understand. I knew what it was, but I didn't know the meaning of it. I just knew that, like I didn't know if I would have took a piece of that and ate it or tried to do anything with it with a fuck my life. I didn't know that. I didn't know what it was, but keep in mind, my dad told me it was candy, but it's the candy that we don't eat. So that's what I thought that it was. It was candy that I can't eat. It's going to make me sick. So how old were you when he died? 17. Okay. So you were already in the game. So you got off the porch selling crack. Yeah. How did you get down? Actually, it was with a little bit of marijuana, and what juvenile for it, and I was like, I'm going to try to crack game. They say that's what I'm money at, and me already knowing that's what my dad was doing. And were you dealing with your dad? Was your dad your plug? And once pick a time, he was. Wow. Okay. How did you get started with him? Did he teach you how to cook? Yeah. That's what I learned. How to cook. All that was from my daddy, but keeping mine, I was already doing my thing. Like when my daddy came, I was already at my own house. I was already like, at this time, I'm kind of divvying and dabbing in a little both marijuana and crack. I'm kind of like, but marijuana had came to be like my specialty. Like what everybody was knowing me for, but I didn't like the money. I was like, that ain't enough money. You got to have a lot of it. So I'm like, and at the time I wasn't, I'm young and stuff, so I'm like, crack. It's where they, especially when they had to whip, when they turn in one brick to a brick and a half and, you know, into that. When my dad came home, I was already into like, in the world. So you did well with crack? Yeah, I did. Oh, I did. Excited with crack. So were you whipping whole bricks? Yeah. As 15-year-olds? No, not at, not at, uh, I say I was about 19, it's about 19. So that's when you felt like you were on? Yeah, that's when I felt like I was on, no, I take it back. I was about 18, because my dad came home and I was about 17, and he was out, maybe six days. And he thought that he was introducing me something to something that I didn't know about, but I already know the game. You know, it was like when he came, when he came home, I got a phone call and it's a guy on my phone saying it's my dad. At this time I feel like, hey, I'm moving around the city, I got three, four cars, I've got my own house, you know, I'm doing good for myself at 17, and I'm paying my mom bills, I'm, you know, I'm doing good as a 17 year old, take care of my little sisters. Well, I get a phone call and he's, this man on my phone claiming to be my dad, and I just get to talking crazy to him, hang up. My dad is in prison, they gave him 51 years. No way he's out in 11 years, woo, hang up the phone on him. He called back, and he was like, God damn it, if you hang this fucking phone up in my face one more time, I'm gonna rip your, I said, oh, this my dad, dad, where you at? It was actually my dad, and he's like, I heard what you've been doing, but at the time he think I'm just being dealing with it, because at the crack I was kind of like, dealing under the, like right, like I didn't want people to know that I was dealing with it. So I had like a few customers that I was just fronting to, I was just fronting to, you know, and I was just doing my thing with the weed or whatever, but I'll front the crack off because I had access to it or whatever. So I was doing that, and my dad come home, and as he, I'm kind of already dealing with the crack or whatever, but he's asking me how numbers and stuff, and I'm like, well dad, the numbers ain't the same from life. Like, when you was in the game, like, people is selling like this. It's like, tell me a way, tell me a way that you can make $100,000 off of one kilo. And I'm like, "Dad, there's no way you got to cut it so many times, you got to, just no way." He's like, "It is." And I'm like, "How?" He's like the rocks. You take a kilo and you bust that whole kilo and down nothing but rocks. - And $5 pieces? - $20, hmm. You'll sell a person to $5 piece, but it's $20 to the point of the world. Nobody in Texas account when he come home, he had the basis though, even the smokers knew it. They didn't want to go nowhere else. And he had me in front of everybody. I was the person. And they started putting two and two together, like, "You getting this shit from your daddy?" I knew how. - So, did you make $100,000 off a brick? - Hell yeah, we did. - So, how many sales is that after you stretch that whole $1,000 grand down in a crack? - I couldn't tell you how many sales it is. - It's got to be hundreds and hundreds and hundreds. - Yeah, it is. The only thing I can tell you is you can sit in the crack house all day for probably a month, but you're going to make it off of one kilo. - For one kilo, because some days you're going to have good days, some days you're going to have bad days, some days you might make 10 grams, some days you might just make 1 gram. But within the 30 days, it might be about 20 at the most. I'm just, you can get rid of it. - What are you paying your dad for the brick? - He tried to get over me. That's where me and my dad, that's when I realized, okay, now, you're just my dad. Like, I helped you just make a $100 grand. And you trying to give me some little boy money, like, no, that's not going to work. And so, I wound up just like, I'm doing my own thing. I'm doing my own thing. He got to the point where he was real big on gambling and stuff, because he, like I said, he was rich. And when he came home, he thought he was coming home to that million dollars, that gold, you know, he thought he was coming home to this and with the deals that he had in prison, I'm going to give me a dumb truck. I'm going to get there and something to do this. So, he still got that rich mind, but he's kind of like nowhere near he was before he went in. You know, and he's gambling. He's blowing money. My friends calling me like the older, because I ran with a lot of older guys. They calling me, come get your dad. He's at the gambling shack. He just lost 20 grand. Now, you got another guy on her telling him, he'll own him 10 grand, but he got to give him 15 back. Just come and get your dad. Pull up down there and give him a dad. We arguing or whatever. And he leave with me or whatever, and I take him home. And we had a friend of mine drive his car while he getting the call with me. I take him to the house. And he's kind of angry at me because when he's seeing me, he knew I had 10 grand. He knew 10 grand wasn't done. So, he's like, "Who gonna buy a son? Give me 10 grand off in the garden and win my money back. I know you leave it." So, he got mad at me and we arguing or whatever. So, we didn't speak from probably about three, four days. But within that three or four days, that's when he's still going back to his balance points. I think actually I want to say it was the filth day. Because on the fourth day, he kind of robbed. He rolled by one of my trap houses. Like, where I used to be, where I be at and stuff. And he riding around and he see me sitting out and he looking at me and he smiled. I smiled at him. And it's the last time I see him. Oh, man. And we're in one of the craziest thing about it is because we never, we didn't say, "Hey, you know, we just mounted each other." And that was the last time he smiled at you, the last time I smiled at him. So, how did things change after his death in your life? Like, how did you expand your operation? Because all this happened within six months. So, I'm still, I'm like 18, probably like, about to be 18 now. I'm still doing good. I haven't had no fondables. Everything's still doing great for me or whatever. Like, actually, I haven't even met the Mexicans in the year. I'm kind of like still, like, you know what you call a person, a middle man? Like, I was kind of like the middle man, God, whatever. But I was, the guy that was having it until I met those Mexicans. You know, so it was like, I was doing that. That's when it kind of like really got good. Did you get rich like your dad? I wouldn't say I got rich as my dad because I got so many stories that we can catch up if you want to on another podcast, whatever. But I never got on his level, but I was doing that. I was doing that good. I probably would have, but I had a spending habit. I had a addiction. I had a habit of buying jewelry and cars at one time. I probably had 15, 16 cars. You pulling my house and you thought my house was a car life. Like new cars? Yeah. Nice cars? It was mixed old school cars that I didn't have. Paintings, satises, BMWs, you know, stuff like that. But and you probably had a little ass house with 15 and I actually more expensive than the house. Yeah, I had cars more expensive than my house. I could say that. Some southern ass shit. And my neighbors, they was kind of like some Mexicans on both side of me. So they didn't really give a damn. You know what I'm saying? We was wanting to Mexican. That was actually on the right hand side of me. We would even do a little business here in there. And it's crazy how we started doing business. They stole my dog. They stole my dog for for me to come to their house to ask for my dog and they had my dog and they house. That's how we started to come. Like that's how we started talking to each other and what it did when they when I went there to ask for my dog and they had my dog and they let me see. They let me see their head cocaine. And that's how we started. But because when you're a dope boy, your cars and you're shining. That's like your business car. Yeah. All that kind of like stand down. That's how you network. You see this guy. Obviously, you're not buying 15 cars because you're a stock trader. Exactly. Yeah. So that's how they have cars like parked like in a yard like the side of the yard. I knew they couldn't they wasn't using it because it was the back yard was gated off and the side of the yard to get in the back yard, you had to be on the other side of the house to the gate that you come out. So if you come on this side of the gate, you couldn't get out unless you jumped the gate. So I ain't nobody using this side. So I would park two one in my yard and half in my yard and half in the yard and I will have cars lined up. I had so many cars. I was high cars at my mom's house. So when you met these Mexicans, did they give you a better ticket and a better product? Yeah, they gave me a better ticket and a better product, but it didn't last too long. It didn't last too long. It was like some happy with the guy or whatever I don't know, but I just remember that it didn't last too long. But I didn't curb because I still had my connections. You know, that Mexican was just a Mexican that stayed next door to me and he let me knew what he had and he was dealing I was dealing and it went from there, but I still always like kind of had my people. Well, I haven't met my Mexican until I got probably about 1920. Probably when I was next when I was telling you about the guy that moved to California, that I used to stay next door to. He had the Mexicans. That's how I got to the Mexican. So when I was like when I'm 17 and stuff like that, I got hooked up with this guy that I knew that I knew their own the store and this guy was like a plug or whatever and he used to tell me like don't mention my name. And I would do it. So it was like he let people think that I was the plug basically. So people thought I was actually bigger than I was at the time because I was the only one that they could get this weed from and I was getting it from an older guy that worked their own store because I was always around older guys. Keep in mind I told you I see guys and they get to telling me stories about my dad and I listened to him and next day you know we just drift off into conversations and they show me what they [BLANK_AUDIO] I'm not going on, and how you know I can move that, go like that. So it was like, I was kind of middle-weight, middle-man in my way around, and it's just one girl. I'm not going to say his name, because I don't know if he might get upset with me or whatever, but how I really got big in the crack game before I, it was this guy that I knew when his guy had this baby bag. See I was the type of guy that I'm going to be honest with you. I seen a guy drop $10,000 and gave it right back to him. This guy had a baby bag and his baby bag was full of crack. I'm not knowing it, but even if I did know that I still did the same thing. The guy got this baby bag, he's chilling around and he leaves and he leaves the baby bag. I get the baby bag running outside, "Hey bro, you love your baby bag." And when I get in the baby bag, he unsypped it and showed me what was in it and gave me something. So I was like, "Damn, that's how I got in." But I already kind of like knew about the crack game, I cut it up and rocked with her, with her there. And I was kind of like, "He wasn't the first guy that gave it to me, but he was the first guy that I was just making money, just making money." And it was like when him, we was doing this for years, like my dad got on, we doing this for years, like years, like I'm buying my pounds of weed from the guy that owns the store. It's other guy, he's combining, he's throwing it to me and this, as I'm doing this, it's teaching me how to move in the streets, besides what people's telling me, it's teaching me how to move. So I'm like, "Okay, okay, I got it, I got it." Never do hand-to-hand transactions. They teach everybody's giving me the game because they see like, he's going to be like his dad, he's going to be his next dad. So everybody would, they was getting out of my way and they was letting me do my thing but they was coaching me as I was going because they wanted me to be my next dad. So I'm doing my thing or whatever, I'm moving through the city, they telling me, front of to them, that's better. You can see that at the house, play video games, you know, do what you do, but I was always the one that I wanted the kids, y'all going to me to look up to me because that's how I was. I was drawing my nice calls through the town and jump out with my nice jewelry, my clothes, you know, and I'm just doing this and that's how like the city started loving me, the city started loving me, they started loving me, they started loving me. By this time now, I'm dealing with keys, I'm dealing with keys now and so it's like now keeping mine, my dad, my dad had told me you can make $100,000 off of one kilo, right? Remember me, I'm telling you me and my dad, because by this time my dad, he's gone, it's probably like two years later now, but I remember he told me that we can make $100,000 off of one kilo. So, yeah, this is what we finished all doing, so what I do is I would go down the front, like a kilo out, I would front it out. After it's already rocked up. Yeah, I just already rocked up. And how much were you paying for a kilo at the time? At the time, I was paying like 17, 18. Wow. Yeah, I was paying like 17, 18. It's probably like 10,000 now, so cheap in Texas cocaine, it's like really now it takes as people really don't even care about crack, it's certain cities, I say that, but like where I'm from, people don't even care about crack, no more, they is only like the fit, no, the math, you know, that took over really in the synthetic, synthetic. Okay, so you break down, you cook up a whole key for 18,000. Yeah, so I'm young, right, so I'm like, "Dang, there's a lot of crack that I got to get rid of." So what I thought I was doing was getting multiple houses. So keeping mine, I come from seeing my dad have several houses, so I went to get houses and what I would do was I had friends and stuff that was younger than me, 15, 16, 14, you know that the mama didn't care what they was doing long, they was in a good environment. I would put them in the house, they get callin' it in drugs, they'll be right back out, juvenile's, right? I get a bunch of crack houses to the point where I had like three of them on one street. Oh, I had three crack houses on one street. What's the point of that? Like, aren't you just being in competition with yourself? No, it was, I had it organized. You come to this house, you got, I didn't turn anybody down. If you had $3,000, I won't own the money. If you got $3,000, you go to this house. So if you got anywhere from three, if you're trying to get $5,000, you go to this house. If you're trying to get 10 to 20, actually the 3 to 10, you go to whatever, even $2,000. You go to this house, the max was $10. I had a house that you come to the world, it was $20 and above. So on that, it's like, if I got customers that's coming, that's buying a 20 or if he finished spending $100, but if you spend anything over $300, you come over here to this house. So I was trying to keep traffic because you got clean cut people that smoked crack, that got money, that are coming. They think it's like, I don't buy it in quality. That's why I don't got to see you as much. And I want to keep you safe. I don't want you leaving the house where people coming all through the day. Again, $10 for crack, police watching this house and you pull up in about $300 worth and now you don't got pulled over. So I would try to satisfy my customers, keep them because I want the money. You know, I want to keep you safe too, because if you ain't safe, you ain't going to be able to come back and spend the money. So I would tell them, whatever you got to do to get rid of it, get rid of it, come back, I would reimburse you whatever you do, just come back to the point where I used to do two full ones on a certain day at the $3 house, this is how the $3 house rolls so hard. You can come to our own, like, sorry, this Sunday, get free crack. That's why I knew when they got money, they weren't going nowhere else because I was so good to them. I gave you when you didn't have. So when you do have, you come to me, but it's the thing. The people with the three that come for the $10 house, they know about all the other spots, but they don't come to these spots unless you know how much money you got. If you got $100, go up the street. If you know you got more than $300, come over here, even with my people that spend $300. If you know that you've been spending $100 today, don't come over here. If you go over here to where everybody's going to get the 20s to $100, but anything that's like $200, $300 mold, it's coming over here. So nine times out of 10, that would be me. You had to spend $200, $300 to deal with me. So this is where I would be at over here with the tools and 300s and like, when I started front ounces of shit, we used to call them throwing the baby, you know, so when I started doing shit like that, I had a house for that. But that house, it wasn't, I had to be there on the regular like that because it was like I'm over here a lot, but I got a few guys that I'm frontin' this stuff till y'all meet me at this house. I was trying to keep everything under the radio or there's possible. So how long would it take between those three crack houses to move a whole brick? At that time, okay, remember, I say it was taking me, bro, like three days, three, four days at the man. So this thing's rolling, bro, we rolling. It's rolling so hard, I'm the richest young nigga in my city at the time. And are you makin' that $100,000 that you die from? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but how much do you pay your workers like if a brick costume is teem that makes- I didn't have to pay them. Listen to me. I would go and get the youngsters, the 14 year old, the 15 year old, the ones that are 16 year old, 17 year old, I didn't really do 17, I don't take that back. It was 16 and under. I would deal with the ones that they mama didn't care, that they was already outside thugging and already told guns, but I would get them around me and change that life. And the mama saying, like, damn, my son is not outside. She thinkin' he just over here at this house, but the whole time, he over selling drugs. So that's why he don't want no money. The only thing he won't buy him some weed, go get me a few lines of syrup. You know, it's like this, so we all own boys. They stand in my house, driving my cars. Keep in mind, I got 15, 16 cars. They drive in my cars, they stand in my house. So you're almost like pimping these kids? I mean, it's all right, no judgment. But that's what it is. I wouldn't just say I was pimping them. You know what I'm saying, but if that's what you want to call it, at the time, I needed my drugs. So I couldn't sell all those drugs by myself without I felt like I would get caught. So-- But I mean, it's pure after your overhead. That's pure profit. Pure profit. Wow. How many crack houses-- was that just one street? Or did you have other spots? I had other spots. Wow. I had other spots. And it's all in Texark County. All in Texark County. And who are your customers mostly black? Black, white, Mexicans. It was very rare that you see like an Indian or a Chinese. But those were the most black, white. Like I had clean cut white boys that you wouldn't even know what he did. Mm-hmm. And see with me, I also had a house too that if you was smoking, I don't give a damn. If you spend the spending $300, if you spend $300, you might wind up at a house with a nigga that's spending $200. I mean, spending $100, it's spending $50. Because I had a house to where you go and smoke your shit. You could just chill in that motherfucker. Longs you got it from me. If I come in there and you got something at the blown, that didn't come from me or nobody there's-- Yeah, it's a truck. Mm-hmm. So good. Did you ever get robbed? House ever get hit? At the early coming, it did. My homeboy started breaking into the house. But it's crazy because all the raids-- I was never there. I came. I got-- I tell you, I got stories. I had to get on the high speed chase out of-- and get out of one raid. But actually two of the raids I asked me when and saw them in my house. One time, I was like-- they was like, for me to you. I was at the house. We smoking, we chilling, we drinking. Cursor was my habit. I was addicted to certain spending a lot of money on it until I became a plug with that. But at the time, my homeboy and we smoking and we drinking it, he's like, hey, man, you can take me home before-- before you know you're naive, before you go to sleep. And I'm like, yeah, I guess so. Normally, I say, man, bro, I call your cab. But this day, I say, yeah, I take you. I'm glad I did. I get up. I take him home. He stayed maybe not even-- he don't stay too far from me. Like, I can leave back out of my driveway, pull to the stop sign, make a right, drive, probably not drive about four blocks up, make a left, he right there. So as I'm dropping him off, he steady talking to me. And I'm like, bro, I'm finna go like, what is you-- you could have said, I was on the way while we riding the one. But I'm glad he did that. He was thought-- it was like someone's just keeping me there. So when I left, I go to the-- it was my friend, Marcello. Marcello, you see this, you remember this. So I drive Marcello off. I go back home. As I'm going home, it's this guy named Justin. And Justin was breaking it. Everybody houses at the time. I'm talking about-- if you sow any liquor drug, Justin was looking for your friend, though. My light was on. And I'm like, I know darn well, I turned that light off. I turned that light off. I'm thinking Justin in my house. I'm finna-- I'm finna-- I'm finna-- I'm finna park around the cone. I'm finna catch him. I'm like, come-- I'm trying to come out my house. And I'm finna-- whoa. So I'm telling me, don't go to the front door. He might go out the back. So go to the back, though. I'm going to the back, though. I'm creeping up it. And as I'm getting to the back, though, so I'm saying, look through the window. Back then, you know, you can do them on-- you like the many blinds. If you walk up to the many blinds, you know the string in the many blinds. If you really look through there, you can see through that little crate, right? And I'm looking, and I'm seeing like so many backs. And I'm like, what the-- It was two cops. They was inside of my house. They came inside of my kitchen because they thought I was coming to the front door. But I never came to the front door. I hauled ass. Once I seen who it was, they ramshack my house, leave paperwork there. I had, like, maybe a QPL weed. They took the weed. But put, like, a left me probably, like, they took maybe two blinds. They pulled it out. And they said it on top of the search one. And my house was demolished. Like if they said, you don't need a blunt tooth. You're right, six clean this up. Yes, like, you don't need a blunt to fix all this. So why did you transition to wholesaling? I mean, I know you met the Mexican connect. And that's how you were bringing in the weed by the hundreds. But why did-- if the crack was doing so well, why did you transition to being a wholesaler? Because the crack, I was getting too hot. Yeah. At this time, this wouldn't-- the cop come involved or whatever. And I had this cop. And while I'm doing all this, I got all these houses and stuff. It's this cop. There's no rookie cop that doesn't hit the force. And he's on my ass. But I don't know it. I don't know it at all. But he on my ass in a good way. He doesn't research who my daddy is. Well, my daddy been doing. And he like-- I think I got a friend. So he started coming to me. And he would pop up at my houses and stuff. And I used to get angry because people was like, hey, is you working, is you the police? Why I always say you got the police talking police? Ooh. I'm like, to the point where I'm getting angry with him, it's-- I'm not able to say I want drugs, how I want to, because people is like thinking like, why is you always like that? I see you at one of your spots, nigga. The cop-- you just standing in the cop having a nice conversation. What's going on? I said, man, come on, man. I said, nah, I said, for some reason he keep pulling up. He said, offering-- offering him lunch. I said, okay, I'm gonna offer him lunch. He came back around. I said, lunch on me today. What you want? He said, for real? He said, yeah, lunch on me today. He said, man, ooh, I'm so glad you did that. He said, because me and my girlfriend just broke up and she didn't-- she said, me and my girlfriend just broke up. So I didn't have anybody that cooked me dinner last night to bring for lunch. That'll be awesome. I said, there you go, the money right here, and where you-- it was $50. I said, where you want me to set it at? He said-- I'm standing at the page you decided to call. I gave him money, I'm gonna pay for his lunch. So the guy that told me to do that was like, did he take the money? I said, yeah, he took the money. He said, he did. He said, oh, I think we got somebody. I think we got somebody. So I'm like, what you-- I think we got somebody. The next test was, see what he'd do you a favor. And I'm like, what's the favor? He was like, whatever comes to your mind at the time when you see him asking for his favor. It was this guy that every time we see each other, we pulling guns, we shooting out and all this and that, right? I see this guy. He's seeing me talking to the cops. He mugging and he talking shit all this and that. I said, what do you do me a favor? He said, yeah. I said, you see that guy right there. He just ran that stop sign. He said, no, he didn't. I said, yes, he did. And you need to go do something about it. We got kids in the community the way. You can't be driving like that. He said, are you serious? And I didn't say a word. I just looked at it. He threw the car in reverse. threw the lights on and went and pulled that guy over. And when he pulled them over, that's what's the crazy thing about it, right? When he pulled him over, he walked up to the guy car, asked him for his driver license and insurance. and all that stuff, you know how they do it. - The guy getting the tone. He put his car in reverse, drove back to me. Why are you got told the guy don't leave? The guy sitting on side of the road, Paulie's done bag this car up. Came back to where I was at. And say, "I smell a wheelie in the car, "what you want me to do about it." Taking a check. So you're literally doing exactly what your dad did. Your kingpin in it. Now you got this cop in pocket. You're reeling them in and you're taking out the competition. - I said go and pull it. He said once he pulled them all, he said he smelled like weed in there. I said, taking a jail. But this guy, I know that the guy was like, not on the level that I was. It was like a bum as guy. Anything, they would've got a gun and some weed, I can call. But they wound up getting a little weed, I can call it, right? Maybe a little dive bag on some red shit. Some shit like that. But he didn't charge the guy with him. But he took him to jail for it. You know, and that's what I knew that. We didn't get on the level to the point to where he was bringing me drugs and nothing, but he was letting me sell my drugs. He didn't bring me no drugs. And this guy's still a police and we still cool right to the day. Like, what do you let you know if feds were watching or if you had other cops coming to bust? - It had been times to where it was just one night. I went to the club. Keeping mine, I used to keep the youngsters at the, I give them a cell phone, all that, and they call it. We out, we out, is jumping hard. Bring us more, bring us, bring us more. I'm like, damn, I'm at the club. It's probably like one some in the morning. And I gotta leave the club, fuck this, this, this. If I go, so I leave the club, go get it, go issue it out. So I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna chill over here with the youngsters. I'm gonna be over with them tonight. Fuck it, I'm gonna you spend a night over with that. I put my car in the garage. I'm standing outside in the yard. I had a cell phone that the police, that we communicated on with a little flip phone, that we communicated on. I would have so many phones at the time, to the point where sometimes I would leave phone, like forget to grab this, forget to, but he was calling. But I didn't have that phone with me. - Your cop? - Yeah, the cop, he's calling me. To let me know I'm gonna target tonight. But I don't, I don't, I'm not, I don't have this phone on me to, you know, to, you know, to get the phone call or whatever. I go there, I, you know, take care of the business. So I'm staying at this house tonight. I'm standing in the driveway. And as I'm in the driveway, some say look to you right. And where I, the street is dead in on both sides. Well, actually this end is a dead end. This end down here is like, basically like you can come like, you can take the main street, and then you can turn off end and turn to a park. But you can take the street inside the park, will lead on into the street and I stay on, but it's like a mile up the street. Not even a mile, maybe a half a mile or something, up the street. And I walk out and something like, look to you right. I look to him right. Say look to your left. I look to my left. And I'm like, what the fuck is these red lights? Now, I'm looking, I'm seeing red lights. Like, so all I see is pitch dark by I see red lights. It was the cameras on the cop cars. When the cop cars kill their engines at night and they got their cameras going, their red lights on, grow up. So I'm seeing these lights. - Stand down and watch. I notice a car is about to get coming this direction on the side street because I'm seeing a light, like, you know, from headlights. And I'm looking and it's a cop and it cops turning the street and when he stopped, it's my buddy. - Dude, I've been fucking calling you, dude. Why you ain't picked up? You to target the night, shut it down. No more, no more. We on you. We putting over everything that come from here. Ooh, this shut it down. Ooh, I'm like, why you ain't he like? Why you ain't answering the phone? Keep it mine. See a red light down there. I see this red light look like it's coming then the headlights pop on. And then the same, they ain't happening on his way. And then keeping mine down the street from where he came off of another cop come from this one. They coming, do we got a problem, jump out? So by him stopping, talking to me, he didn't care. He didn't care. He just wanted to save me. He knew that they was watching me. - He always put himself at risk. - He put himself at risk, right? So when they pulled up, guess what he did? That's when he went to acting like he wasn't on my side. He jumped out the car, motherfucker. You think you're gonna sell all these drugs? (singing) They like, calm down brother calm down. What are you, this is what the cops tell him. We're gonna get him. Don't worry, we're gonna get him. I'm like, you stupid motherfucker, he just came ahead. So they was the story getting hot on me. So I got to the point where I was like, well, we got a store I'd taken it to him for a while. The customers didn't call it up. - Yeah. - You know, it's going crazy now. - Yeah, you can't operate like that, but for so long. Yeah, you know, customers getting pulled over. I told him to get rid of it. They feeling like they gotta try to get caught with it. So police has got to raid the, you know, so he saved me. So he tell me, this is what made me get out to crack game of shit. He comes to me and he say, no, actually it wasn't me. It's my girlfriend. She's flying through the city, smoking weed, driving like a bad out of hell and getting pulled over. The cop that pulled her over was my buddy. He was like, at this time, I didn't like kind of like, throw away a bunch of phones and stuff like that and happen, the phone number that he had, I ain't throw it away. And he's like, where's he at? Tell him to stop going to these stores. Tell him to stop going to these car washes. They watching the cameras. They trying to get him. Tell him to lay low as possible as he can. Matter of fact, tell him to move to Dallas. - So late. - She tell me, I'm already kind of like laying low a little bit, but that made me go deeper into laying low. I was still in Texas, Canada, but the whole Texas, Canada thought I was staying in Dallas because I wouldn't come outside. Wouldn't come outside. Wouldn't go see the only, I only let a few people see me. And if you wanted to continue to get money with me, you better move just high move. If you tell, if I figure out, you tell, at this time, I'm in the plug. So it's like, if you tell anybody that you saw me and you deal with me, you out of there. So it's like, I'm cutting your water off. It's like, you like, I've been not saying a word because if I tell somebody, then I ain't gonna begin those, 'cause price is no more, I ain't gonna be able to get this. Front, no more, I ain't gonna. So they was going a lot in the majority of them that I kept around. They started doing it to the point where I told them, like, I'm done with that. - Yeah, this is kind of where crack houses are disappearing. This is like the early mid-2000s. - Yeah. - You know, everybody's working off their phone. - Yeah, working off the phone, you know? Because I had let the houses go because I had, I had still had like the $300 house and the house where I was doing them, the big deals, stuff like that. I still had those two houses. But I would meet the people at that house, but at this time, I still had a gang, I had a gang of those. Because what I was doing was it had came to a point where people were starting to like whip. People were starting to like that they can get an ounce for $300, ounce of crack. And it'll be good. - Wow. - You know, so it was like, I had so much of it that when I slowed it down, I still had it. So I had to get off of it some type of way. So I was dealing with a few people. But once I told them it was gone, like completely gone, I wasn't fucking with it, no more. So I said, and that's when you just moved, you had a bunch of money, a bunch of cash, you just moved into the weed business. - Yeah, I just went back to the weed business. This is how I get the dealing with the mess. 'Cause you know what I'm saying? So now it was like, everything was, the money never stopped. - Right. - This gig stopped another gig, can you? This gig stopped another gig, can't you? - Yeah, so you're just used to dealing with huge money. That's normal. Yeah, it is normal. That's where you come from. That's in your bones. - Yeah, because it was in my day and night. - Did you? - No, my dad was not meaning to cut you off, but my dad was walked around with a $100,000 cash in a briefcase with the briefcase. A handcuff, a handcuff, one cuff hemmed to the wrist and the other one to the briefcase. So when he was out doing what he was doing, if you try to run by and snatch it, no, you know, because you're gonna take him with you, you know. So I come from like a family like Lawrence Mounds, that money was darned, but it was like, oh my mama's side, my mama didn't want once. My daddy got locked up. That's when I just experienced like the poor shit. - Did your mom see you emulating your father? - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, she did. She told me she didn't want that, right? She didn't want that lifestyle for me. 'Cause remember, keeping mine, I told you, when I first started, I started with marijuana. And I got, I got told, I was trying to sell it in school and told a buddy, and I'm thinking it's my buddy or whatever, and he go to the principal. And principal coming get me and was like, hmm, can you come in my office? And I'm like, one of my other buddies like, that's kind of weird that he's coming to get you. He was like, get it to me right now, but it was no way that I could have gave it to him. So I go to the office and we get in there, and he just started me. He just sitting there at his desk and he just looking at me, not saying one word. And I'm like, what do we hear for? I knew then. I heard radio, police radios. And I heard a knock at the doors to police. They come in and they find weed. So she knew then that, oh, you trying to find your daddy for steps. But now you really are. I mean, you're paying off a cop and you wanna crack houses? I was probably like 14, 15, 15. I'm moving on. So you get connected with the Mexicans bringing in the square bricks of Reggie. Yeah. And you're doing that for like two years. Yeah, like two years. Do you think you made more money doing that than you did with the crack houses? That must have been the best money, right? The weed was the best money. Because it's like really like, it's no worries, really unless until you just really get on the level and the cops know like, hey, he's having 100 to 200 pounds. Sometimes like, he's dealing, dealing like, then they won't you. But other than that, I like the weed money better. After I quit it because I went back to my old way and I was like, I never had problems with weed. I can move them in. Nobody never knew what. So I went back to it, you know, and when I went back to it, it was kind of like frustrating to me because I'm like, man, I'm not making that type of money. No more keeping mind. I still got to these habits. I'm still drinking syrup. I'm smoking one of the smoked the best weed at the time. Like, granddaddy Perk was like, $100 a gram. Wow. But did it dawn on you that, okay, if it's getting 100 to gram, I should be bringing it in by the fucking 100 pounds. Yeah, but see, it's not even dawning on me yet because I don't know how to get it. I haven't got connected with nobody from Cali, yeah. So it's like, I don't know how to get this type of weed. They having the Cali, but they want 100 to gram. I'm like, dude, they is fucking killing. They making like $354, $3.5. Crazy. When it first came out, when granddaddy Perk first came out, it was $100 a gram. So if you get three grams, that's $300. If you get $3.5, that's $350. Yeah, they were making like kilo money off of a pound of this. Yes, yes. But I didn't have the connection to be able to get it. So it was like, I couldn't do nothing to spend my money on this smoking. Yeah, and the market was really small 'cause who in techs our can, I can afford $100 around the world. But we was, we was buying it because guys like you drug this. Yeah, like we were buying it and we were smoking. Blunts of the shit was so little that it was because it was this one guy that was having it or whatever. And he showed everybody, look, this how you supposed to smoke. 'Cause we like, we used to get in bragging. You could have spent $25 for half an ounce. And that's a lot of weed compared to me giving you $100 for one gram. How the fuck am I rolling shit without? So we was like, we started with like, oh, we smoking $100 blunts. We smoking $100 blunts. To the point the world just imagine smoking $100 blunt. If you smoking 4, 5 blunts a day, that's $500 on blunts. He was like, nah, y'all smoking them wrong. Y'all got money, y'all can smoke it like that. But I'm just trying to show you, and he was like, what you do is, you take the cigar, take some of the paperwork, make the cigar about like that. And you know, to where the cigar paper probably can't be about that much, you know? And you put the weed, break the little weed down to the point, it literally looked like a stick, a little stick. And that's what they was calling them. They was selling a stick for like $20 a stick. That's like prison. Yeah. So how did you eventually start bringing in the Cali weed? How did you get connected? You're moving hundreds of pounds at a time for your Mexicans out of Houston. How did you get connected in California? I got connected in California from a guy. His guy named Drew. Not Drew, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Drew Hill. No, no, no, I want juice, juice, juice. If you see this, you know what you did. But it was a guy that was named juice. He was from Texas, kind of Arkansas, I'm from Texas, kind of Texas. So he's from the Arkansas part, but he moved to California. And what he was doing, he, when he moved to California, I think he moved there when he was young, but he was from, from down this way, but he was in San Diego, San Bernardino, LA, uh, Stockton, uh, he was standing all these places. So this how he was getting these connections, but at the time, I'm, you know, I'm not knowing. I think he just one person, but he fucked this person over her. Fuck this person over her. He'll pay this person off of fucking this part. You know, he got his shit down how he, how he doing. Also, he's the reason Kinects didn't want to deal with black people. Yeah. For real. No, no, no, no, for real. So look, he'd come back to Texas. What kind of Arkansas? He's beating us down there, getting out of money. Hey, I'm going to get you this price. I can, this, I can go back to California, stay out there for a year or two, but so when he come back, he got weed and stuff and like, my, when you heard California, you looking at this weed and it smell good and it look good and ain't nobody got it, but him, you like, man, what's up, bro? He worked there, I don't know, but that's how I got into the, the Cali shit, you know, is through him. He fucked me out of so much money before I actually like, got the plug. Okay, so you, but eventually you met his plugs and just started dealing with them. Yeah. Who were these guys in Cali? It was a woman. Wow. I never, I never, one of them was the main, the main connection was a woman and I was like, she want to be Pablo, she want to be, when I tell myself, what, what, what, what, whatever, whatever, whatever, because she was having the ice, the, the kilos of ice that was wrapped up because he was into how, like, he, he, he, he, he was into how, like, the math, he had the math, you know, but what he would do, like I said, he would fuck us, go stay down there. Run Lamborghini's, run foreign cars and they're seeing this stuff. So they like, man, this dude got money, this dude, this, this how he really needs people in. That he went, when he go to party, buy them stuff, he doing stuff, pulling up and valet parking in Lamborghini's and porous shins and he doing stuff like that, but the whole time, he coming down here, ganging up 30, 40, 50, 100,000, burn on, burn out on us, you know what I'm saying, come down this way and he just living. He got the money so he living, don't give a fuck about where he all is, he didn't get his little person over his little money and then once he got down me, down her broke, he going to cut somebody up that way, going to give him a lot of weed and it's going to be good as weed and he going, he know that's what's going to get us and he going to come down there and go you a pound, nigga, we feelin' to get on, we feelin' this and that, but say he knew I had the money, he knew I wasn't current because I was still dealing with the registry but I wanted that because I felt like a lot of my money was getting fucked off. on the cush and the serve too, you know. - Okay, so tell me about you and the woman. - So with the woman, what we would do was I would fly to Oakland, California. And when I get there, she would have a person, you know, come pick me up from the airport. But I'm gonna tell you before I knew that she was a woman 'cause a few times I had went out there with him or whatever. But I went out there and I'm seeing, I'm like, damn, there's a woman. He tell me to stand in the car. He like, don't you get out the car. You know, I'm always the fly one. I'm, don't you get out the car 'cause he knew if I were to get out the car, she would have liked me. She wouldn't have held a conversation with me. So he was like, don't you get out the car? So I'm like, oh, I bet I'm standing in the car. So we sitting there, but then when I'm sitting there, I'm like, damn. When she, when he, when we pull up or whatever, she get out the car, he walk up, they hug on each other, whatever. I'm like, damn, who the hell is going on? He come, he get back, but he give her the money. Keep in mind, he always fucking over motherfuckers. Okay, how much were the pounds, how much were you paying for the pounds of that good stuff? At the time, at the time I was paying like 2200. But that was because that was the price. He was, you know, that was his price. That was the price that he was giving me was 2200. Come and find out, I could have got him a whole lot cheaper, which I did. And how I did that, remember I told you, I don't know if you remember, but I told you that, I got angry at him, and I pulled up on him, and I got him in the car with me to smoke a blunt. And as I smoke the blunt, I'm telling him to call him, and he's like, I left my phone at the, call him, I heard my phone call him, and he called. And that's how I got the number. So now you've got the plug, you got the buy money. Now I got access to math, I got, you know, 'cause they got the kilo's of the math, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, now I got access to the kilo's of math, and I got the pound good, like good gas. I'm talking about the best of the best. Like indoor, in broader gas. I'm talking about the best California we, I'm talking. And you could get that in quantity? - Quantity. - Good of got it in quantity. - And how much could you sell it for back in Texas? - It takes a count of, at the time, pounds was going for like, 35, 38. Sometime, 4,000, and it's a great price. - Great price. - And you're buying 'em for two. - At the time? - No, no, at first I was getting 'em for 22. That's what he was charging me. But then I started getting 'em for like 16, 17. Because we was getting so many of 'em, and I was getting rid of 'em. - Wow. - So I'm dumping 'em off like seven. I'm dumping 'em off at like 35. Sometimes I'm getting full grand off of 'em, you know what I'm saying? It's anywhere from like 35 to full grand, that's what I was getting off of. And I was paying like 16, 17. So I was loving it. I would, when I'd tell you, I was loving it, I was loving it. - How many, how many joints were you bringing? - At the time, we was starting off with like 15, 20, 15, 20, because it was hard trying to get 'em, you know what I'm saying? It was hard trying to get 'em her, it was hard. It was hard, so it was like, okay, I ain't doing it no more. Because I'm getting, I'm getting like first straighted, like I gotta have all these addresses. I can't be at every address at one time. So we're using so many addresses, 'cause we're sending like three in a box or whatever. We're using so many addresses. - Okay, so you're mailing 'em back, you're not driving? - No, they were, they would just tell me, give them addresses. They tell me, give 'em address, and that's what they would do, you know? And they sent 'em or whatever. And it got to the point to where we was needing so many addresses. Like, people started like, I was like, hey, can I pay you usual address? But these people that I know, I'm asking them, can I pay you usual address? And they're like, cool. I'm like, I bet I'll be back on this date. So people started, now I don't wanna do that no more. I ain't gonna be at home on this date, and I ain't gonna just try to steal the pack. So I'm like, no, bro, I ain't, I can't do it. Then we started driving. They said, she said, I'ma get 'em to you. You been moving and we been running and we been getting off of 'em too long. We can't stop this. It's, do you wanna stop? I said, no. She said, why are they and I'ma get 'em to you? And she got 'em to me, bro. She got 'em to me. - Oh, so she drove, she sent somebody with 'em. - Yeah, she sent somebody with 'em. And she told me how good it was. She told me how good it was. And she still got that price, even though they drove for it. - Price went up, yeah. - Price went up then, you know what I'm saying? The driver, we had to get a driver like $150 each pound, you know what I'm saying? But by this time, but by this time, we move hundreds of pounds, bro. We ain't sending a hundred, but she got a hundred just for me. Like, I'm gonna send 20 this day. On this day, you gon' 20, but it's so many entrances that we gotta use. So it's like, I don't got these addresses. So she like, we gotta keep it going, they stored it. She stored it, send 'em. Price went up to $200 basically, we're 100 and 50, you know what I'm saying? Went up and she was 30, sending 'em. 30, sending 'em to the point to where she told me it was good. I wasn't to see how good it was. And she went to tell it me. God damn me, 'cause I think one of the drivers got poor, though. But they didn't take him to jail. They just took the weed. He got poured over in Arizona somewhere. They didn't take him to jail. They just took the weed and told 'em that somebody was gonna come get up with 'em if they wanted 'em or not. Wow. So how are they sending the drivers, like in UPS trucks or, or not UPS, but like box trucks? No, in normal calls, they put 'em up in towels. Bringing a hundred at a time? Yes. Wow. And you've got people where the people picking up from you? All these little towns? Yeah, okay. At the time, I'm still like, I was going to these towns, then, because my dad--he was like, "What you do is you get your nice car, your nicest car, and you go spending weekend there." So that's what I would do. I would get in my nicest car, have somebody to bring some down, like, "I'm driving this car, but the weed in this car, and I go to the car wash, and I wash my car. My car's so clean, candy painting, big rims, and small towns there to track their ten--oh, they coming. Oh, this is beautiful. This car, this is the nicest car. Yeah, rims cost $13,000. Oh, yeah, I got it, what you're trying to get. Let me see what you got, I might not want it. Show me what he got. I don't want it. But I got some, you might want it, and go from there. Boom. You put a lot of people on, like, you would grow these dealers in these small towns. You give them work at that ticket, and you just grow the market that way. Yeah. Wow. That's wild. How many pounds--what was the most you ever moved at that lady? Man, we moved thousands of pounds, because it was--you know, if you're saying from the beginning to the end--it was crazy. So you're making, like, crazy millions of dollars, bro. But I'm blowing it. Yeah. I'm blowing it, because I'm thinking--I'm thinking this is going forever. It ain't done on me that--this played out on you. That played out on you. So you don't beat, but I was doing it. I was spending the money, but I caused taking care of people, helping people. You know, just doing stuff, just blowing money, going strip clutches, having fun, having fun. So why did you get out of the game? Because I got pulled over. I keep in mind, they told me it was good. They, like, it's good, and when I started doing it, I seen that it was good. And I got pulled over, actually, the third time I got pulled over is when I said I'm done. The first time I had, like, a hundred pounds in the car, the state troopers said that my front head, like, what you did, had went out. So that was the reason why they pulled me over for it, because I'm coming from California. On my way back to Texas, one of my headlights went out, and it was the one on the right side, so the passenger's side, and he pulled me over, and we came onto the car, he, like, "Yeah, The headlight is out over there, and I was like, it is? And he was like, yeah, and I was like, I jumped out the car, and I was like, oh, you gotta slap it sometime, it's like a booty. You know how those women booty, you gotta slap it if you wanna see it shake. And he started laughing. So, but the whole time, he let me jump out my car, go to it and I slapped it, and it popped on. Where you headed to? I'm on my way to Texas. What part of Texas? All around the Dallas area. He said, uh, you might wanna get you a hotel for tonight. He said, because somebody else gonna get you right along down the road if you keep driving. It was an older, older white guy, old white man. He said, matter of fact, I'ma write you a warning. And if they do it again, you just give them this, and they'll send you on about your way. He wrote me a warning. I get 30, 40 miles up the road. No, I get like a hundred and some miles up the road. Get pulled over again. And when I get pulled over, I'm like, fuck what's that? I already know what he pulled me over for. I don't know why I didn't just stop and get a fucking hotel. Me just, you know, just not just not being me right now. He pulled me over. He come, but I keep in mind I got this ticket, this warning. Oh, I got this a warning right now. I just got a warning already know what you pulled me over for. I just got rolled down the street. He stopped me. We had a conversation or whatever. He let me go with a warning, who this and not. You know, so he feeling like, oh, if he let you go, you good. He didn't ask me if he searched and done like that. So he let me, he let me go and I left and made it to my destination. I come again this time, we got like a hundred and seventy five of them in there. How long to get off 175 pounds of that weed? Not long. Because now people got the money. You know, this guy want 10, this guy want 20, you know, this guy want 30. You know, keep in mind. I off 100 and we're in Tesla County, so you lower the price. Yeah, I would offer 100 in Tesla County. I would even do that in Tesla County. Like on some people, I would lower the price because I'm going to go to the country town and make it back, so I would do that and I will move them, you know. And how would you send the money back to California? Wow, we drive, and why are you driving 175 yourself this day? I told, no, I wouldn't, it wouldn't, it was a hundred, oh, because I was, I was like at the time, I ain't trust nobody. I didn't been fucked over so much, and I was like, they might not do it how I can do it. You see how I told you to cop, let me go and let me go with a hundred and seventy five pounds. What are you saying? He smell weed. So I knew me. As you talk your way out of that cop, we cop got he sitting there and I'm, he's looking at this truck and he's like, that's a nice truck. He jumped behind it. He come off the side of the road and he's looking. But I knew what he was doing. He was pro-balling, you know, looking, who is in this truck, and it's in that, so he pulled me over. And when he pulled me over, he's kind of like, oh nice truck, you got here, how you can afford a truck like this, truck about eighty grand, it's like, oh, I'm on the clothing store. It's nothing, you got good credit, you own got you a business because I had a clothing store and he's sitting there and he's talking, he's like, okay, I had a dog. I was into like bullies and exotic bullies and stuff like that, and I had one of them with me and stuff. He was like, nice dog, how much that dog cost? He said because of, I'm riding across one guy, he told me, he paid 20 grand for his, he was like, so that's a hundred, a hundred thousand, you got a twenty thousand dollar dog and you got an eighty thousand dollar truck, I said, I never said my dog cost twenty thousand dollars. He said, oh, that's what I assume because that's what I was told, and keep mind, that's a Mexican cop too. He's like, that's what I was told that the guy paid like twenty thousand for this, what he's studying doing is, he's like, oh, you see, so he's looking at the drive, you know, the registration insurance, everything coming back clean, but I'm scared because the truck that I'm in, I actually got it from the chop shop because the people that I knew in California, they knew people that had chop shops and they were, you can buy a call or like, new calls from a shit to them. So I was kind of nervous or whatever, whatever, but I played it cool, I smell weed in here. I'm like, don't start that, I'm like, do not start that, don't start that, don't start that. I don't even smoke marijuana, so we ain't even going to play that game, sir. We ain't even going to play that game. So you took that out of two for them, see, that's what people don't understand. When you be too friendly with them, they feel dead, right, some going on, some ain't right. Because a person who really didn't have any weed, they'd be offended, like, what the fuck are you doing accusing me of that shit, that's what you would say, you know what I'm saying? So he liked, so if I asked you, if I asked you to search your video, would you let me, I said, yeah, but he never, he never asked, he said, if I was to ask you, would you let me. I said, yeah, I said, what you ain't going to do, never see some clothes and some shoes and some, some toys and stuff that I'm moving from one house to the next house, because my children live here now and I'm moving them from here and, you know, I'm just going this way at the same time. I'm having a little attitude with them. I'm not being friendly with you no more because now you talking about you smell weed and I just told you I don't smell no weed. I said, matter of fact, you can go back there and do what you got to do and he was like, I'm about to. I was like, by the way, me and my dog got a piss. Is this okay if we step on the side of the side of the road and take us a piss? We ain't the middle of nowhere and where's the weed in the car? The weed is in the containers, he actually, you looking right at the fucking weed. The only thing he had to do was say, I'm a search the car, give me the containers, boom, there they go, because we've been doing it for so long to the point where I first started out, put it in the box. They said, put it in the box, put a label on it, like it's going somewhere, the label have an address, they got to get a search one to get it inside of the box. If the address is not tied to the address, this is on your license. Not sure if that's true, yeah, probably not true. The guy that, remember the guy that got pulled over and they just took the weed. That's how it was. Now, did he ever end up catching a bigger case that guy? I never heard nothing else about him, but at the time while we still rolling over because he was still part of us, he just wasn't driving and nothing. He had became the person that, the package, like they took him off the road. He was still part of everything that was going on. He just was a package you didn't. So I don't know if he wound up going to jail or what, I know, I don't feel that he started snitching or nothing because nothing never happened and when I got pulled over that time, if he would have snitched, it was some snitching going on, no way that I would know. Of course not. Yeah. I feel everything was, I don't know if they came back and got him, but I know while long as I was in the picture, they never came back and got him. He was still, he just wasn't driving him anymore, he wasn't driving him. But other than that, man, we had a good time, bro. Okay, so you're telling me about how you got out of this traffic stop? Oh, yeah, so the, my bad. So yeah, so the traffic stop. I'm like, hey, when I go out and I'm picking up, oh, can we go out and piss? So he sitting there, he like, go ahead because I'm talking to him, whatever. So when I get out of our piss, I stay, I never get back in the car. Once he let me out to piss or whatever, I stay down there to call. He came back, everything come back fine. I'm not going to slow your trip down. I'm like, what are you even pulling me over for anyway? He didn't say, he just, so it kind of scared me a little bit because he didn't say, and when he said, you free to leave. And when he told me I was free to leave, he scared me because you know, most polices or state The truth is when you get poured over an HLU. you know, you, you free to leave or go, they turn around and they walk back to their car. - Mm-hmm. - He did it. He stood there. He's, and he watched me pull away. And I'm looking at him in the mirror. Him watching me drive away like if he had an instance telling him you had it, but you just let him go. So now I'm scared. I'm scared. I go to the motel room. I pull up in the motel room like they can get you. They just want you to get closer to, to your destination. They just watching you. They just let him, yeah, he only, I'm panicking. I'm scared, I'm scared. You know what I did? I went to, I had this old-school buddy and I got this auntie. And my auntie, she's so gangster to the point of wildlife. She didn't walk out into the house with 20 pounds, wrapped them stuffed in her clothes while the police trying to come in. That's how I gangster my auntie is, right? I call her, and I'm like, man, I'm just feeling leader's weed at this motel because I'm scared, I don't know at this point, I've been made it this far and everything good. I'm like, so when I make it, they probably on me, they gonna pull me over, I'm scared because I'm like, why would he let me go and sit there and watch me like that? It didn't, it didn't, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it spoke me so I was like, I'm a leader's weed at this motel, I got to, I got to, so I get a hotel. I'm putting a weed in there. I didn't pay the motel up for a week because I got to head a weed in there to figure out like what I'm gonna do, I can't just leave it in there without paying in there. So I paid the hotel up for a week and I'm trying to figure it out. So I'm like, if I lead his weed and his leaf, I get back on the road, I drive by this, by this time I'm like in Mexico somewhere. I'm in like some, New Mexico, yeah. I'm like, if I go back to Texas, that's what I'm thinking, I'm coming to Texas, they ain't waiting, they waiting, they waiting. Can't go, I can't go, so I'm in Mexico or whatever, I get a motel room, I pay it up for a week, I'm sitting here thinking, I come up with a leader weed at the room. Go back to Texas, Texas County. The whole time I'm thinking, keep in mind, I called this old school guy that I know there was a driver for me and the guy that, that I met the Mexicans through, and we had a driver for us that he, they were used to come to Mexico and I contacted him and I contacted my auntie and they wound up coming to give 'em 'cause I made it, so if I would have kept driving 'em, nothing would have never happened. - But that was enough, that spoke to you enough, so you got out again. - To the point where I, and then I lost my mom and all that and it was like, it's just so much stuff been going on to the point, I was like, man, fuck that lifestyle, made enough money out of it, lost a lot of money through it, able to be free, I'm like, fuck that shit. And then I got another story, if you wanna do that, I don't know how much time we got, but I got, man, I got stories, bro, like another party and you know, it made me change my life, but I had to, so it was like, now I'm trying to like, shoulder younger people that you can do different stuff and have different, you can do different stuff and have the same things that a person that's doing wrong have by doing the right thing. You know, ain't nobody teaching us that. You know, then nobody teaching me that, oh, you can grow up and be a millionaire just off of graduating, going to college, getting to real estate, you know what I'm saying? By landing properties, like, you can, but nobody's teaching you that. You don't see nobody in the hoods, that's wearing suits, that's, you know, you're not seeing that only thing you see is the drug dealers. It's like, you feel that there are the ones that have the nice things, so you wanna be like them. So what I wanna try to like, change things around, you know, like the YouTube with the podcast and it's changing people's life, so I wanna like, talk about that, plug your YouTube, where can people find you on YouTube? They can find me on the spot interviews, you know what I'm saying? Or they can find me on Instagram is on_da_spot725. You know, they can find me on there, but it's like, with the YouTube and I'm like, I'm seeing stuff and I was able to like work with people such as like you, you know, and be on different platforms, like, say cheese, no jumper, six or seven on, you know, working with people like them. And, you know, when it was like, when I met six or seven on, you know, it was like, he gave me a lot of game that people would him because I got this money, I'm just, hey, I'm gonna pay you what you want for an interview, but that wasn't, I stopped doing all that because it was like this, you just giving away, you know, I would just give him that money because they wasn't performing in the amount of the money that they'd be telling the person that they won't. So it's like, that's what I do. I travel around the world, working with different like, you know, youngsters or whatever. Because it's like, I feel like I can talk better with them, I can try to get them to understand a lot of things that's going on today in the life that they don't have to do. You know, I didn't have nobody there to tell me, like, you don't got to live like this. I was, I was felt that I was supposed to live like that because of what I have saw and what I have been through, you know, I felt like there was, without the way that I was supposed to live, but no, you know, I'm all about like, wanna give a person a shot, you know, it's people that got stories that's inside of hoods, that they are never get to be on your show, you know, and it's just like, that's where I can come in play, you know, stuff like that. - Well, it's very rare that somebody that comes from the environment that you were raised in could avoid life in prison, you know, or addiction, or being murdered, you know. - Yeah, because that's always going on. Like, people is murdering, either like murdering jail, or drugs, whether you get addicted to drugs, or whether you wound up being the drug dealer, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, there's a lot of that come from where I come from. - Is your family out of the game? Like your uncles and-- - Yeah, my uncles, they out of the game, I mean, you know, I can't, you know, family, you got family members that's going to continue to do what they want to do, you know. But far as that, like the family member that's under me and before me, nah, ain't none of that going on, you know what I'm saying? They see, like, we'll never have another person like my daddy. So it's like why to try to keep, you know what I'm saying? - Yeah, that gangster Aaron's kind of-- - Yeah, that gangster Aaron is over, you know. And like, it's my dad, back then, I guess it was cheaper to have somebody murder, because in the-- I'm going to send you the paperwork on or whatever. They tried to charge my dad with a murder or whatever, but he beat it. And the guy that he paid him to do it, he gave him $1,000. And-- - I think you could probably have somebody murder for a thousand bucks an hour. It's just the difference is you're not going to get away with it. Back then, the gangsters got away with it. - Yeah, they got away with it, but he didn't get away with it. The guy lives long enough to tell the police who did it to him. - What do you mean? The guy they-- - The guy they got killed. Remember, I told you the guy that was in the motel room, he got caught with the drugs. So the only way to unlimited, to get it, 'cause he started working with the cops, was to kill him. And once they underlieved him, he lives long enough to tell the police who did it. - Oh, before he died, like in the hospital. - No, not even on the hospital, on the scene. Like, when the police pulled up or whatever, he coughing up blood and all this, and that, but he told the police who had dead, who had dead it, but-- - And then the hitman told the cops that your dad sent him. - Yeah, but he beat that charge. - But my dad beat the charge, but because they was like, "Hey, go to Shreeport, go to the Casinos." The Casinos, got cameras, go to Iron Gamble, and that's where you out of there. And they can't say that, because you some weren't getting it. - Yeah, the Alabama. - He had an Alabama. - Wow. - Yeah, the Alabama. And before they released him when he got out of prison, they would try to charge him with that again. But the guy who had dead it, told him, wrote a letter to the, and told him that my dad, like, and they let him out. - Wow, your dad was a gangster man. Rest in peace. And thank you for coming, bro. We're gonna link to your YouTube channel and your Instagram and in the description of the episode. And that was a lot of fun, dude. That was us. - Yes, it was a lot of fun, man. - I hope you brained me out here again. Yeah, you know, because I got plenty. Yeah, I mean, Roma, they go check this guy out and best of luck, you know, in the YouTube space, man. Yeah, man. It's an infinite opportunity. I promise you that. Yeah, and I appreciate you for having me, man. I've been watching your channel, man, for a long time. I think it was watching you before you started doing this, like this part, this right here. You was actually like talking about your life, man. And I liked it because I was like, man, it's doing this. I didn't make me think about times I didn't have. My shit didn't get into a crazy life by how yours work, you know. But, yeah, man. So it was good meeting you, you know, man. It was good being here with you, you know. Plug in one more time. Where can they find you? Man, you can find me on the spot interviews. It's on the spot. When you do, on the spot, it's O-N-D-A-S-P-O-T. You know what I'm saying, space interviews, you know. But I'm also, you can look up on the spot, AKA Red Hat, or you can got named Red Hat. A lot of y'all probably watch this channel. And y'all gonna see you, Red Hat, Red Hat, you know. But this was amazing, you know, this was amazing. Thanks, brother. Check them out. All right, you guys. We'll see you next time. 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