Drake Albums Review with Hunter Harris

(upbeat music) - Yo, what the fuck is up? Welcome to my favorite lyrics. The podcast where we talk about music lyrics, except for when we talk about other stuff. And today, we got a really special episode coming. This is the first time we've directly reacted to an album, like right as soon as it came out. The album's been out for a little less than a week at this point, and I was like, we got to put together an emergency episode because we have to talk about this. Drake is one of the central characters of this show. He's one of the reasons why this podcast even exists. I used to recap Drake bars in my Instagram stories, and he put out, that's literally, I used to do that years ago. I was literally just screenshotting stuff and making little comments about it. And now I have a podcast where we can talk about it. And we're talking about Drake today. We're talking about all three of the Drake albums. We're talking about Iceman, we're talking about Made of Honor. We're talking about Habipti. Yeah, we're doing it all. And I saw that our guest today wrote a sub-stack about the Drake albums. I saw that she also listened. Also, I got a shout out in there. Respect, we haven't talked about that. We didn't discuss it. Welcome to the show, Hunter Hares. Okay, thank you. No, I was waiting. Yeah, you're right. I guess you would say my name. Hunter's mad at me because one time it took me an extra beat to remember her name when I was recounting a story about her in a podcast. That's literally not how it happened at all. You truly just forgot my name. She was really great. And you know, the craziest thing about it is, too, is that you came to our, let me say this pod, Launch Dinner. And someone in the comments was like, wow, that's crazy that you broke Brett with Devon after he forgot your name. Someone literally snitched. It was your own listener snitched on you. And I was like, and then of course, I went next morning, five o'clock in the morning, found the clip. Oh, that's how it happened. I was wondering, I was like, how did you come across this? It was one of my own, it was one of y'all. It was one of my yet to be named podcast fan listener fan base. Do y'all have a name for you? No. No, we're still trying to find it. It's hard. We all can't be, like, lambs or orientators. Lambs are Maria. That's actually brand new information to me. I didn't know there were the lambs. I know about the beehive. I know about the barbs. I know about the-- So you know the toxic ones. Whatever Taylor Swift has, the Swifties, the Swifties. This is not, you know. Yeah, as you imagine, not my-- What are Drake fans called, people who owe child support? Yo, hey. Welcome to the show. Welcome to the show. And that's-- and that's why we got her here. We ain't even start talking about the bars yet. She already going up. No, Drake page, child support, probably. He probably paid all in advance, which I love when Anthony Edwards does it, but I hate when Drake does it. And the Edwards, I'm like, loves being pro-choice, abortion, like, hello. He loves sending a video. Well, King, yeah. When Drake does it, I'm like, you scum of the earth. Interesting. Yeah. You do, you do love Anthony Edwards, though. I do. Just kind of in general. I do know this about you. Well, we're both Leo's, so. Oh, sure. Sure. [LAUGHTER] And I mean, Hunter, before we get started, I mean, you're a long-time Drake fan from what I understand, is that correct? Well, yes. OK, tell us about your history with Drake overall. I mean, have you ever been a teenage girl in, like, 2012? I'm sure, you know. Yeah, well, I just feel like Drake is-- he's been such a part of my life, since the very first time he's heard, like, listening to music in the back seat of my friend's car. I grew up in Oklahoma, and I remember when take care released, and that was, like, oh my god, it was, like, crazy. We were all listening to it all the time. And then-- and then I don't know. I just feel like my own sort of musical coming of age was right in line with the ascension of Drake. And then also, like, the fall of Drake. And, you know, it kind of dovetails with, like, America's decline as well. Speak on it. Speak on it as well. I think it's interesting. Sure. But I also-- what I love about Drake the most is that he's so funny, even when he does not intend to be. And, of course, I mean, like, that clip of him-- he was in Australia, I think, doing a show, and he's wearing a bulletproof vest, and it has, like, the smoking holes in it. Like, that's hilarious. But also, the Drake who will, like, do that one, like, kind of, like, flirty face. We did this a little-- Yeah, exactly. We did this a little party face. Like, I-- sorry, hilarious to me. Even when he did that, one g-- it was his first g-cook cover, I think. And he was, like, drinking a white wine spritzer, and, like, wanted the reporter to, like, write that detail down. Like, that, to me, is, wow, what a man. Yeah, you know, I feel like he's-- he's in a really interesting space as an artist, because I feel like he actually is a funny person. You know, like, if you go back and you watch, like, he's hosted SNL a couple of times. There's this, like, Canadian TV show that I've been seeing clip from, where he is being, like-- Is that "Degrazie?" Unfortunately, it's not "Degrazie." I'm familiar with "Degrazie." I thought you were, like, excuse me. There's, oh, Canadian-- Yo, so he's not that funny "Degrazie" if I remember correctly. I've never seen "Degrazie." I've always seen the clips. We didn't have it on my TV. Whoa. Yeah, only the rich kids had it. Isn't your dog a judge? That's my business. [LAUGHTER] Anyway. That's why I love Drake, because I'm a liar, too, when I'm fake at the bottom, and so is he. Oh, my god. I was like, I bet you y'all could have had those channels. Whatever, I bet you y'all could have had Noggin, or the end, or whatever, because I had that channel for, like, a summer. I had that channel for a summer. My dad was always doing this thing, where he was, like, getting rid of Cable, and then getting it back again, because he was like, this is-- That's what every black parent-- Yeah. I think you're officially old when you start, like, thinking about, should I switch my cable provider? Sure. Because that's old people love talking about that. They're obsessed with it. Every time I come back, he got a different type of cable configuration from the last time. And I was like, oh, he's still up to it. Last time I went back, and we're already talking about a thing that this podcast is not about, but last time I went home, my dad had one of those systems that's really gripped a lot of black Americans, where it's like, it was some type of jail rigged system, where he was like, yeah, I can watch local news in, like, 70 different cities. Oh, wait, OK, my friend's white mom has that. Oh, well, white people got it, too. See, I'm not at white people's households like that. No, just respect to Jessica and Carmen. But I'm not going to that-- I'm going to black in Mexican people's houses like that, because that's like, who I'm hanging out with, where I'm going to call it. OK, let's talk about Drake. Anyway. What's your history with Drake, other than sharing your-- Now she's running the podcast. Now she's asking me questions. I have a curious mind. Yeah, I'm always saying that about you. I think you and I have this in common. I think we land exactly in the same space with Drake, which is that, like, Drake means a lot to me. I am-- I would never say that on the record, so maybe clear. I want to be honest, because I do feel like it's in-- we're in such a time where it's fun to bash Drake. And I get it. I think he's earned it in a lot of ways. And I think he's not doing himself a lot of favors. But also, I would be remiss if I didn't say that he didn't mean a lot to me. And then, like, I've listened to it. I've liked his music for way longer than I haven't. You know what I mean? Since he's been making music, I've almost always been a fan of the music that he's made. And also, just overall, with all three of these projects, I will say that, obviously, three albums is too many. There's 40 Something Songs on there. There's too many songs. There is a good album in these three albums. I do think if you take some of the highlights, I do think there is actually a 10-song album that actually could have been pretty strong. Instead, he was like, I'ma throw as much shit at the wall as possible, and something will stick. And I get it. There will be a few hit songs out of this. Yeah. He's inevitable in that way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do like the idea that, like, somewhere in here is like a solid seven songs. I really do think it. Yeah. No, it's like, I don't know. I mean, in Hunter, you've written about, you know, kind of this series of albums, you know, you've written it on your substep. Yes. Hung up. Go check it out if you haven't. I get a shout out. I get a specific quote from a, you know, an interesting-- No, I think you had a really good point. Do you want to say it? Interesting insight. I said that Drake's kind of whole ethos is, yes, I'm bad, but also it's your fault. Yeah. And I do think-- and there's a lot of that in this album. I think it's really almost entirely that. Yeah. Which is when it moves out of that space is when it actually becomes interesting to me, or at least when it becomes fun. I was thinking, you know, before this, like, what is my favorite version of Drake? And I really love the version of Drake. And that's, like, I feel so far from the person I was growing up. I feel so far from my childhood. Like, I have so much anxiety about who I'm going to be. Like, the Drake of Take Care, the Drake of Nothing Was the Same, the Drake that's like, you know, are my friends, really, my friends. Like, my life is changing. I don't know how. Like, that Drake I love, but the Drake that's like trying to be, like, posing with automatic weapons, I'm like, so where the fuck do you get off? Yeah. That was-- Like, that's humiliating. That is-- it's like, hey, man. Because he-- from an early-- from an early time in, like, Drake's tenure as an artist, I feel like he's been trying to say, I have mob ties. Like, I know guys who are affiliated with, like, I know real criminals. I know guys who are real criminals. I'm not a real criminal. I have, like, a wide variety, a wide collection. of knits. So like, I'm not that. And I feel like he knew that. And then I feel like he got so much money and so much access and so much power that now he can cosplay as if he like actually is crime connected. Yeah. And nobody's gonna call him on it because he's like bankrolling the whole situation. I think nobody- I'm like the idea that like, he's buying all the guns. So no one's like, you don't even know how to use that. It feels plausible to me. I mean, I just think like, something about Drake posing with all of these weapons. I'm like, you don't even have like, feel some have been run swag on you. Like, you have nothing. None of this is believable to me. And like we said, when you and when you and Peyton see, it just sometimes it just takes me a second. So you just hate black women. That's what I'm hearing. That's it. And I hope that's the takeaway that everybody comes away from this. Well, you love Drake. I mean, hello. Yeah. Okay. Do you want to speak- do you want to speak to that for a second? What do you think? Drake and women. Yeah. Yeah. Drake and black women specifically. So I wrote about this- I mean, take aways in that. Of course. I wrote about this for my subject a couple of years ago that there was a moment where Drake, there was like this line on insecure season one that- Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. Where she's in the car with like one of the guys that she's been with. Can you remember who? And he tells ESA like, oh, of course you like Drake. Like, every girl who went to college likes Drake. And she says something like, which just like really gets us. And that used to be Drake. And then I think a lot of this was the ego death of him having a secret child. And that being revealed by Pusha T. After that, he just really hates women is very distrustful. Also, wasn't the person who snitched on him like Kanye? That wasn't a woman's fault. I think- it was definitely a male rapper. Yeah. It was definitely a male rapper who like let like spill the beans on that. spill the beans about a secret son is crazy. But no, I think after that he does this thing. And I think he does it, you know, pretty explicitly on this on these series of albums where some songs are like four women to get ready to. And then some songs are like four boys who are blocked and they know why. Sure, sure, sure, sure. And I think- And this is the most explicit that he's been like his and hers. Because I think that has been sort of true Drake for a while. Especially because on some sexy songs for you, that was the last album. Like all of that album was like garbage. But then was that Nokia? Uh, Nokia was on that. Like, hello, it's all over the summer. No one's who admit it, but it's true. I'm right there with you. From the first time I heard it, I was like, he got another one. He got another and- Just what I think of him out. They pull me back in. And that's kind of what he does. I mean, to me, I listened to all three of these yesterday. Like, I just like blasted through all of them. And to me, it was like Iceman had such a- There's such a bitterness in him. Yeah. Which like, I guess like I understand based on the last couple of years that he's had. Like if you watched your nemesis say nasty, nasty things about you and then have one of the most successful years of their career and perform it at the Super Bowl. I've said this a thousand times on this pod. I mean, my dad went to the Super Bowl and I saw Kendrick call Drake a pedophile in a stadium of like a hundred thousand people. And it's like, I really, when I was listening to Iceman, I was like, I get why he's upset. He sounds so bitter. I do feel like the thing that I loved about Drake when he was coming up is he could really like let you into his real emotions. Yeah. In a way that not that many artists were, he could let his guard down. Yeah. And I wish that on these albums, he could kind of just be like, man, that shit really hurt my feelings. That shit like actually like, it really bothered me to have this all happen. And I'm still trying to put the pieces back together. But instead, he's so defensive. Yes. And he's lashing out at us in a way that it's like, hey, Drake come, hey, come here, man. This is what you need. Not even like where am I hug at today? Well, I'm not saying where am I hug at. I'm saying, brother, you need a hug. Go ahead and lean in. Go ahead and put your head on my shoulder. I think you could use that. I do think that something that you're talking about about Drake's feelings, him like not being as evocative of a writer as a rapper, is that maybe what we're hearing is that part of the way that he processes feelings now is only in response to like, oh, guess what? And I hate a woman now. That's the only way that he's willing to show a vulnerable emotion. Because a lot of the songs, even Janice from Iceman, that begins with being about him feeling like betrayed by a woman and then goes into how he feels about Kendrick. That's always where we start emotionally with him. And that did not used to be the case. I miss when he would just write songs about loving his mom a lot. I do think we're missing that. And also to that point, I do think I was thinking about this recently as I was listening to the album. I was like, one thing that I know about Drake as somebody who's been a Drake fan, truly the entire time. One thing I know about him is he really likes being associated with whatever is like hot at the moment. He's trying to, okay, if a rapper's popping, he wants that rapper on his album. If like a song's bubbling up, like he's like, oh, like he's always trying to like get near whatever is like blowing up or about to blow up, right? And I feel like he's done that for forever. If you're a sports fan, you remember when the Miami Heat, when LeBron went to Miami, guess who's at every Miami Heat game? And then when the Raptors started getting good, when Kauai Leonard went over there, he's like, oh, actually, I love my hometown. He's when Kentucky basketball, like really had a lot of buzz around it. Drake was going to the practices in a full warm-up like he played on the team and shooting, he was shooting baskets. He's shooting baskets at the practice like he's affiliated with the organization. He likes being. The organization is crazy. He was. And he likes being around what's popping right now. Fucking being a Nazi. What's popping right now? Hating women. Being an insult. And I do think he is like closer to touching all those things. Like hating women is popping in a different type of way. You know what I'm saying? When Michelle Obama was around, shout out to your label boss. When Michelle Obama was around. What's he making? What's he making? Nice for what? He's making nice for what? He's making music videos with Issa Rae and Phoebe Robinson and stuff like that. And then. Phoebe Robinson was in that? I think so. I could be wrong. Or maybe no, I think Phoebe was in girls like you with maroon five. Different video. Different video celebrating women. Totally. You know nice for what? He's got Issa Rae and like Tiffany Haddish dancing around, you know, having a good time. I don't think Tiffany Haddish is in that video. Do you don't know every woman who was in the. I think it was like Tracy Ellis Ross and. She was definitely in it. Probably like Amanda. Well there was a lot going on in that. Hunter of these three albums, which one did you gravitate towards the most? Definitely made of honor. Yeah. Made of honor I think is like the most solid. And I think that I've read a lot this past week that this is like the first good Drake album in a decade, which I don't think is true. I really like honestly never mind. I listen to it all the time. And I. What I hear on this album is someone who is artistically so stifled, which might speak to what you're talking about, that like Drake really does read the T-Leaves, see what's trending. And it's similar to honestly the Taylor Swift, I think, sees like where. Maybe not where the culture is moving always, but like sonically what is like next? Like plucking someone out of near obscurity and like getting took a lot with them. Kind of. There's a there's an Earl sweatshirt one time called Drake like a like a vampire. And there is something to it where it's like if he sees a new young guy that's like oh the streets like this is the next guy, he's like oh like you're riding like the weekend like wrote most of or like half of take care. Even what's a little baby song that he did? Like that? Oh yes indeed. Yeah incredible. One of his like it's crazy to me that Drake even let that song come out because it's like you got washed on your own song. Oh I love both verses, but that's that's my own thing. Yeah but what was I saying? I think that. Drake, yeah. And Taylor Swift being around stuff and stuff. He tried, you know, making a sort of like clubbe emotional more vulnerable album and everyone rejected it. And so now I think a lot of what he's reacting to is not just the Kendrick of it all, which listen for someone who was really bothered by pedophilia allegations like the Michael Jackson illusions are a bit and and we we will discuss this. There's some specific lyrics that like yeah I'm just like hey man you know people are saying this stuff about you and you're saying it's not true and I believe you. I'm willing to do that but also maybe don't wear like a famous accused pedophiles glove and like maybe don't have that be the center of your album which is also called Ice Man. Yeah. During a period of time where Ice's relationship with Americans is really contentious and you know that. Also Ice is the first word that he says on the album. Literally the beat like the beat starts playing and he goes Ice and it's just like. It's like it's like also hilariously corny that he's just given himself a new nickname and it's like. Sure, nobody called him that. It's so he's like so yeah Ice Man you know what's that and it's like who said that? Who said that? Someone's like I'm looking for Ice. Someone like a butler is like who is Ice? Like what are you talking about? What's really revealing honestly is that he has this lyric which we can talk about later in the album kind of chastising DJ Khaled for not speaking out about Palestine. So it's like okay so you're very aware of this political moment and yet you are intentionally sort of courting you know the White House to like make a funny or sorry excuse me make a stupid tweet. Thank you for that correction. And okay I didn't mean that. No I appreciate it. No I'm saying I appreciate it. I'm saying like we're on the same page. But it's like of course that's going to happen like being on the online enough to cognizant enough to make that political statement that also is turned around against you in another way is just completely insane to me. Yeah, it's also like Drake. It's so crazy of all the things you could call out, DJ Khaled Four, of which there aren't many. It does feel so crazy for Drake to have been a largely like a political artist. His entire career. Yeah. I don't know him to be like standing up for causes or like speaking out about like things that are going wrong in the world. I've never really known him to do that. Right. And like every other beef that he has with somebody is like, well, I'm fucking, that's why I'm fucking yo ex-wife for like, that's like, oh, like your baby moms is taking pictures with me. Oh, I'm in yo, you're 23 year old sisters, like he is all that kind of shit. He's like, oh, I'm DM and you're ex or like whatever, for him, for that to be every other beef or like, oh, I had Rihanna first to like ASAP Rocky for then for DJ Khaled to be like, why won't you say anything about what's happening in the Middle East? Why won't you speak out about the Palestinians? Well, I don't, I do sort of feel like, you know, the only other thing I really know about DJ Khaled's like, shortcomings. Sure. Sure. Is that he doesn't eat pussy. Sure. And then what is Drake going to say to that? He's going to be like me too. No, no, I don't, I don't believe that about Drake. You don't. I don't think Drake eats pussy. No, you think he gave up on it. You think he gave up. You think he went back? I think you went back. You just pushed back from the table. That might, I hear what you're saying, because of the way that he's talking about women on this, it's like, clearly women. He doesn't really like that much or respect. Yeah. But he, I, Drake really, okay, we can get into this too, but I think Drake really rocks like you. You know what you learned a new word. Sure. And you just keep saying it. Sure. That's so what he, what this album is giving to me, like, and he says it, I think a couple times. It does, I think maybe that's my, that's one of my biggest critiques of him during like this stage of his career as I'm like, man, you're basically, you're more or less saying the exact same shit that you were saying on albums ten years ago. Your relationships with like-- No, except not at all, though, because it's so much less emotional and he's having maybe also like the same problems and yet he's just so much worse at writing about them. Like-- I think it's because he's ran out of ways to say the same thing that he's been experiencing. Like-- Yeah, I mean, this is a man who's pushing 40 and he's still like, is this what you've had on your vision board when you were 25? That's. Like, I miss the Drake who wrote about singing or like singing a song or playing a song in a car with a girl and she said, turn that off and he said, fuck. Like, that was hilarious and that also really spoke to like the emotional disconnect between him and this woman in a way that nothing approaches on this album. That song, the song you're referencing is, how about now, where he puts his music on and the girl goes, oh, word, true shit, then asks if we can listen to ludicrous. The car rides made me feel like I was losing it, made me feel like I was average like that or I haven't like that. Yeah, you ain't really fucking me way but I think, girl, how about now another incredible song? Also, also when that song, Drake talks about how he bought her dad's snow tires and he, or no, he bought her dad a bunch of gifts for Christmas. He ain't even say thank you, which is like, that's the, that's actually what I want from him. No, exactly. That's hilarious. That's has way more than anything about, you know, Drake alone being like, man, do you like me or do you just want like a new bag? I want the new bag. There's nothing wrong with that. I want it. Also, like at this stage in his career, Drake's been famous for like the damn near two decades at this point. He should have the discernment to know which girls are in it for the bags or not. Like that's everything. They're all in it for the bag. Which if you ask him. Well, yes, that's true. And that's also, I mean, also, I think that's was, he's also fucking like IG models. So it's like, IG models are in it for the bag for sure. If you want a, if you want a woman who's not in it for the bag, you got to get a woman who's like living like you, who like already has the bags. Hmm. Interesting. I'm just going to think about that for a moment. Do you see what I'm saying? I feel like he's like, I feel like his, any of his relationships with like women who are on like similar social standing as him. Like they all seem to like fizzle out and be pretty short-lived. Of course, because they're successful and ambitious and they don't need him. And he needs to feel needed. I mean, that's what, what can he give to Kim Kardashian? Like, what can he give to any woman on his level, except for a headache? No, I mean, I'm truly being honest. He needs to, that's why he keeps, you know, going to the club and like, you're pushing 40 and you're having the same problems as a boy on hand in Bushwick. I, yes. And I agree with that and I do think there was a time, this is what I'm saying. I think he's talking about women and relationships in a way that he has for forever. But I do think 10, 12, 15 years ago, we're being like, yeah, like, you're, we're also in our 20s. Like, I'm also facing that. I'm also still trying to figure. I'm also like, scorned from like somebody that I like knew two years ago or whatever. But then I think when he, when you're 38, 39 years old and you're still having 24-year-old issues at some point, you got to, you got to look in the mirror, dog. I remember on this album, it was like an EP that he put out like during the pandemic. There's a song where he goes, he got, he goes like, I got some girls tan him by the pool and they greased up. If she bring in four friends, I know I'll hit at least one. And I remember hearing that and being like, okay, you can fuck one out of four girls. Guess who else can do that? Nigga and me. You're a pop star. You should be able to do better stuff than what I got going on. I don't like that you're speaking about shit. Your shit should be so far in a way. One out of four, that's, that's everybody's average. Brother, you got to reach, you got to want more for yourself. You need to be hitting four out of four, Drake. You're Drake, you got a Birken Room. One out of four. One out of four is crazy. That's a terrible average. That's 25%. That's not that. It was a bit, they were social distancing. Yeah, well. So the moment was a little bit different. Drake need to bring him socially together. He got a Birken Room. That should be able to get you four out of four. If the Birken Room don't get you four out of four, then what do we even do it for? What else is the Birken Room even for? Also, didn't you write about Drake's house? Was that, didn't you? Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, about his big Toronto mansion that looks like a mall. It all doesn't look like a mall. It looks like the airport high at outside of St. Louis. Oh, see, to me, it looks like if like a Swarovski crystal store in an airport was a house. Where you're just kind of like, why is it, who's this for? Why does it look like this? So has that basketball gym where he hosts, he hosts basketball tournaments that he wins all the time? I mean, something about, maybe I shouldn't say that on the record. I do think. Oh my God, that's the exact kind of stuff we want you to do on the record. No, I think that, just something about the ugliness of Drake's house is just the exact epitome of who he has become as a person. And if you see the, I wrote about his bathroom flooding that one time that Jesus literally sent a flood to his house, that's crazy, but that's what happens when you don't live your life, right? I went to Catholic school if you can tell. But I, like, it's all glass and it's all like marble and it just is like so frictionless. And that's entirely, like, he lives in a place where like a girl in Idaho gets like a shotgun wedding. Okay. It looks like a convention center. Yeah, there is something about that to it. There's a coldness to it. Maybe that's why I call myself the ice man. I don't think he even made that, I don't think he thought about it that much. Hunter, I mean, we've, we've talked about the albums just kind of in an overall sense. Yes. I'm 100% with you and that I think a maid of honor is where he needs to be right now in his career because I think the introspective bars that he's giving us to me don't feel that introspective anymore. No. They don't feel really, I have my buddy, my buddy Danny Goodwin was talking about this shout out, Danny, or he was just like, yeah, like, he used to feel like you were along for the ride with Drake using when he said started from the bottom, even though we didn't always believe him. We were like, yeah, like, we're all coming up together. And now it feels like he's like, hey, get away from me. You don't, you don't understand me and you never could understand me. Like, all right, okay, man, it's like very the Robert Pattinson Batman, where it's like something is going on with you and I don't care to know what it is, like, like, I just kind of just, it's okay. Just leave it there. Sure. All of them, like, I make up, I didn't like that movie in case you did. I don't know. I also was not really fucking with it, but that's in the, like, amongst men, that's not a popular opinion to have. A lot of men really love that Batman. It wasn't really for me. I don't want to see my Batman cry. I want to see him do cool shit. And also, Batman should be fucking bitches. That is just, that's, you notice, like, ever, the Christopher Nolan joint, like, that Batman wasn't actively, like, fucking, but, like, you knew it was accessible to him. I do want there to be a scene where he's wearing a suit and he's got, like, his hair slick back. And he's, like, just, like, making a couple, like, models left. And then he, like, gets pulled aside. That's, like, part of it for me. I need him to be, like, a Bill, Bill, billionaire playboy. Interesting. Yeah. I don't want to see him. Yes. - Okay, exactly, he's the only one who you're like, yeah, he probably, he gets 'em. He's also a human being. He's not from like some weird far away planet. Superman had like one girl. It's not aspirational at the same point. - She was a writer. - Yeah, and she didn't even like him half the time. (laughing) He's just always, I'm just like, you got laser beam eyes and you can't get one girl. - I didn't like the Superman movie because I didn't like that they took a job away from a real dog. - I didn't watch the movie. - Oh. - That's why I saw it. - Superman doesn't really, you have to, I feel like you have to see everything. - Yeah, I was very offended. - Speak on it. No, it's, we can't go over there. We can't go to the Superman a bit off. - Okay. - But, yeah, I feel like it's time to get into some lyrics. - Let's do it. - I mean, do you, first off, as a guest, as someone who, you know, listened to this and, you know, clearly spent time with it, is there anywhere that you'd like to start? I have an idea of where I'd like to start, but if there's a place you'd like to go from, we can do that. - On lyrics? - Yeah, on lyrics. - Okay. Well, I brought my, I brought my own, yeah. - Okay. - Um, okay. On BBW, from "Made of Honor," so much as you should be cremated. - I just wanna say thank you so much, and I'm so glad we've been so closely aligned on most things today, and that's exactly where I wanted to start as well. - It's, it's just crazy. It's just so crazy, 'cause it's like, okay, I'm getting in and I'm gonna, wait, cremated. It's so close to being clever. - Sure. - And yet, now I'm like, wait, what the fuck? - Yeah, and now somehow it's still leaning into like, and there's an incelly nature to that. Where it starts from a place of appreciation, where it's like, oh, she got so much ass, and like there's a version of it, where he says something like, like you can't fit in him jeans, or like some kind of wrap-re-shit, and steady's like, they got to burn you. They got to burn, you gotta get burned up because you got so much ass, which feels like, that feels like a man on his computer. - Totally. - That feels like a man who's been influenced. - That feels like a man who's been influenced by Andrew Tate. - No, yeah, and I- - It's a badass and gets upset. - I am like cremated? Wait, that can't be, like you're describing fucking a woman, and it ending in death, and you're not an Ensel. And you speak to a woman in real life. - You see what I'm saying? He's closer to the, he's over there now. He's around there. - He's been over there. - It's, yeah, for the last, I don't know, maybe five or six years, I do feel like he's been over there. Ever since he said that, what? - Five or six years. - Yeah. - It's 26 or not. So, 2020, he was? - Yeah, I feel like that's when he got over there. I feel like that's when he got, that's when he started peeking towards the Incelli, that's when he started kind of speaking towards that. Whenever, I feel like it was 2021, when he said that shit about making the stallion, where he talked about her getting shot. And to me, that felt like a real, - Yeah, that was, yeah, that was line in the sand. - And that was, yeah, like probably five years ago? - Yeah, before that, it felt like he was really like, hey, you go, girl, you doing it. Put your makeup on, put your heels on. You fancy, he was doing that kind of thing. Hillary 2016, he was doing that kind of, that kind of artistry. - He's all, you know, he's all the tides turning. He said, listen, I gotta get, this is the next thing. - He's trying to be almost hot. - Yeah. - And what's hot right now? Noggin pussy. (laughs) And that's who he's speaking to. Yeah, I so much asked, well, just to give the listeners the full context that that bar was set in. He says, my girl, you're so underappreciated, just 'cause your body ain't PG rated. So much as you should be cremated, how do you expect me to be so patient? Which, for the life of me, a lot of these bars, even if I roll my eyes out him, I'm like, oh, well, I see where he's, I get what he's doing here. This one legitimately, I was like, so much as you should be cremated, I cannot wrap my mind around it. I went to rap genius, the website. Why did I say it like that? I went to the website. What the fuck am I, of course it's the website, dammit. I went to rap genius specifically to see if anybody had annotated this just to be like, all right, maybe somebody's got some insight that I don't. And if you go to rap genius and you click on the annotation, it's just three question marks, (laughs) it's just somebody been like, wait, what the fuck does that mean? And a lot of people have looked at this and it seems like not a single person has gotten a hold on what the fuck he was talking about. So Drake, if you're listening and we know that you are, can you explain this to us? - I actually, I don't wanna know. I'm happy not knowing. - Don't send it to Hunter, please reach out to me. You've posted the podcast, you are aware of the show in general. Please reach out, you know, you know how to contact me, I'm reachable. Next bar, where should we go on Q&A from "Made of Honor"? - Yes. - Drake says, have I always had this God complex? Holy moly. Why do you save all these shots of your screen? Are you a goalie? - I love the way you read that 'cause that's how I hear it. First of all, a holy moly? - Exactly, there's only, you can't say holy moly cool no matter who you are. - You're a grown-up. - You're a grown-up. You're a grown-up. - It's really giving, like, you only have, like, three swears a day. - Yeah. - That's like, hey, money. - You already said shit once. You already said shit once and fuck twice. So then you're about to say something else. You're about to say, oh my fucking God. And your mom looks at you and she goes, hey, you go holy moly. - No, it sounds like someone who's like been cut off. Oh, wow, okay. - Now I gotta bring that up just so we can hear it in context because I'm, yeah, I just kinda need to hear it again. - I think Q&A though, I do like made of honor the best. Q&A is a low point for me 'cause it really returns back to this place of Drake lecturing a woman asking her why he has trust issues. And then there's this random line about roaming and data plans and I'm like, you're old. Like, you're grandpa. And no one knows what roaming means. Or are you still counting your minutes? - Shout out. And honestly, as a person who was around when we were counting minutes, that don't make you. And for everybody else who's listening to remembers when we were counting minutes, you're not old. You just, you're experienced. That's all that is. Don't let them, don't let them shame you. You know what, now that I've, now that I've realized exactly how he said it, I feel like I need to lead back into the bar. Hold on. - Okay. - Because I kind of like said it out. I kind of wrapped it. He goes, have I always had this God complex, holy moly. Are you a goalie? - Incredible drag impression. Hold on. Incredible drag impression. It's like, give me the fucking, put the filter, put the effect on my voice. People, it's indistinguishable. You saw it. They never let me play drag on SNL, but they should have. - Totally. - Why do you save all these shots of your screen? Are you a goalie? It's just not good rapper. It's just not good writing. It's just straight up not good writing. - I mean, I could see a version of this maybe working if there was a point to saying goalie. - Sure. - If that landed in a different way. You know, if that was like good, if that made sense in like a double entendre or something, then it's like, okay, now I kind of get it, but it just is like, are you a goalie? No. - No, I'm not a goalie. I'm a hooter's waitress from Covington, Georgia. That's probably who this is about. You know. - And I respect her. - Sure, of course. - And I'm sorry that she had to go through this. I'm sorry that a man had to ask her, are you a goalie? And think that it really turned the tables on her. - Really got her. It's also like, yeah, I mean, if you're Drake and you're, again, it seems to me that he is DMing non-famous women with not a lot of clout or social status. If Drake DMs them, yeah, they're screenshot in it. You're a Drake, again, if Drake DMs me, Drake, if you're listening, we know that you are, if you DM me, I'm a screenshot it. It's a cool moment. And you know that. You gotta know. - Would you respond? - I mean, I guess it depends on what he's saying to me. Is he being nicer, is he being mean? Honestly, either way, yes, I am. - I was about to say, that's crazy. I wouldn't respond. - You wouldn't respond. - I would just post it. - You would, if, if, I get, is that context dependent? - No. - You're not telling the truth, Hunter. That's not true. Drake hits you up and he's like, yo, I'm in New York, I'm in New York City tonight. There's a, we're having a party over here. Like, we'd love you to pull up. Really, really love your work. I've been reading hung up for years. - You wouldn't say that. - For years, but if he did say that. - He doesn't read. - But if, you don't know that, we don't-- - Are you a goalie? Yeah, I know that. That's pretty apparent that he's not doing a lot of reading. - Drake DMs you, says he's a fan of your work. He's seen you on something. He's, and he'd like you to, like, come hang out where he's going. You're not responding? - No. If it were a drink of 10 years ago, yes. If it were a drink 15 years ago, we could make something happen. Drake, today, I'm covering my drink just from my phone, keeping away from my phone with him. - You're covering your drink even though he's not even in the process in the city. - Yes, yes, yes, I am. - Okay. Who knows what he can put into a vodka cranberry? - I-- - I'm not putting that on Drake. I'm not putting that on Drake. He's got all, he's made a lot of mistakes. I'm not saying he's doing all that. - Well, he did. Oh, should we go into-- - Go ahead. - We can go wherever you want. - The line about consent. - Oh, yeah. I was just looking at that. It's off of a cheetah print. - Okay. Cheetah print crazy song. - Yeah. - I'm gonna say bad. - Okay. - But the line is, smack that thick old ass. First thing, can I get consent? It's great to see someone turning over a new leaf. - Yeah, sure. - It's really, you know, and the implication there being, he doesn't seem like someone who. - Oh, go ahead. - He cracks in. - Uh-huh. I see where you're going. He's not making sure she's having a good time with everything. That's what you're trying to say. - No, yeah. - You know, I overall, what I'd like to say about "Made of Honor" is I think we're in a green set is the best project. But I do think it's also got the most songs about smack and asses and BBWs. It's the horniest joint, and it also has a picture of his mom on the cover. - Oh, yeah. - Which I would just say, I mean, maybe he don't do that. - Well, no, but then like the background, like before, like behind that is him and his dad. No, or just his dad. - I think that's him as a baby. - Well. - I think it's his mom in the foreground, and then I think of the background, I think it's him as a baby and him as a grownup. - No, that's his dad. That's Dennis, with the mustache. - That's, oh, okay. And then that's him as a baby. - Yeah, on the other side. - I see what you're saying. - Yeah. - Even still, my point still stands. - How do you think he got here? - Sure. - Do you think that's-- - Sandy and Dennis, they had to, you know, they said-- - That's actually with each other? - Yeah, they said being to release a great evil into the world. - Don't say that. See, this is what I didn't want this to become. This can't be all anti-dric. It's-- - It's not anti-dric. I just hate who he's become. - He is, he's not, he's not an awesome space, and he's not saying awesome things, which leads me to, oh, also in that bar, off a cheetah print. He goes, smack that thick old ass. He goes, I'm a gentleman. He goes, girl, your face is at eight and your ass is at 10. Which to-- - Gentleman Lee. - Yeah, I mean, which, yeah, first off, not a gentlemanly way to speak, but also, like, pointing back to the in-sellness of it all. You know who's, like, really into rating women's features? (laughs) (humming) It's a lot of those, it's a lot of those types of men being like, I've seen, the amount of times that I've seen like a baddie, especially on Twitter, is like, really for the in-sells now? And like, there'll be like a baddie who, like, posts, like, just, like, titties and ass looking nice. And it goes, like, oh, yeah, I guess she's okay. It's, oh, I guess, as soon as she hits 30, like, it's all going downhill. Yeah, I guess the ass is nice, but the face leaves a little to be desired. It's like, brother, you haven't been touched in months. You haven't been touched in months, and you paid for it. So, it's like, that's who that, when he's rating a woman seemingly to her face, that feels very in-selly to me. - Cheetah print is the sexy, one of the sexy red songs. - Yeah, yeah, that's the sexy red song. Where she interpolates something, I forget. - I like Cheetah print until it gets to the sexy red part. 'Cause I'm just saying that song specifically is not beating the, when I see you stand by sexy red, I believe you see two bad bitches. It's not beating those allegations. - I wish she would have acknowledged that. I wish she would have, I mean, he does acknowledge a lot of the Kendrick disses, like, directly. - But not any of the big ones. Not any of the good ones. - Yeah, that's the thing. - That was maybe, like, the most damning. 'Cause you know he believes it. And Cheetah print is just evidence of that. And I like the song until sexy. I don't really like sexy red. I think that she is a siop. - I've heard this take. - Sent to divide us. - However. - And it's working. - Yeah, I mean, this sounds like, that Cha Cha Slides isn't like a cookout, I don't wanna go to. - Yeah, it's weird to do, it's weird to do Cha Cha Slide. It's weird to do Cha Cha Slide. That is such a record that is like, so specific in it. It's like for dancing of all the songs to like interpolate Cha Cha Slide was a weird one. I'm split on sexy red, but I would say I lean more pro than against. - Hmm. - And we're just, I guess we just gotta disagree on that. Also, shout out, Drake does got a record on here called Outside Tweakin with Stunna Sandy. Shout out Stunna Sandy. Stunna Sandy had a song called Make It Look Sexy that I was really into, like, two years ago, three years ago. And it just made me happy to see Stunna Sandy's working with Drake. But also if you look at her, she's like the classic type of woman that Drake would wanna have around. - Hmm, yeah, yeah, I can see that. Like this feels like, - Yeah. - So I do think he saw the same video that I saw and was like, yeah, let's get her in the fold. - All right, what's the next lyric? (upbeat music) - Oh, well, actually, let's go here. Whisper my name, Iceman. - Which is a song that I do like. - Me and White Bitches been kissing a lot. - Sure. - Well, I'll let you speak on this first. I have a take on it. - I don't kiss White Bitches. - Okay, but it's like, do you have a take away? - No. - I'm not a kid. - No, it's like, we know. - Also, why did you say, you said that? Like, you said it like a frat boy be like, I don't like fucking do. I'm not fucking gay, dude. I'm not fucking gay, I don't do that gay shit, brother. That's how you just, I said it. - I was like, do you wear a comment on the bar that you brought up? And you go, I don't kiss White Bitches. - No, I'm like, I'm not speaking from experience. - I'm okay, I'm kidding. - This is a fancy thing, actually. But, I'm just saying, something about that is so like, okay, day and again, why? Like, am I supposed to be surprised by this? - Yeah, I'm with you and it also, again, it speaks to what's popping right now, white supremacy. Drake of 10, 12, 15 years ago, never would. Even if he was Kiss and White Bitches, I mean, he had a baby by a white girl. Even if he was Kiss and White Women, he would have kept that private secret behind closed doors. Every 'cause out front, it was all black women in the front. It was white women. - I mean, he even like hid his white friends. - Well, no, no, she had his white boys. Remember, yeah, that really hit down. - Yeah, in that one music video, but they've been disappeared. - That's true. - No one knows whatever, no one has seen them. - O.B. O'Brien, if you're listening and we know that you are, make yourself known. Where are you, O.B.? I remember you've made a couple songs that I actually kind of fucked with. He did used to be in the video with them too, Jewish guys, and then they just stopped being around and I'm worried about y'all. I'm worried about y'all. I don't know where you are, but wherever you are, I do hope that you're safe. 'Cause you're right. I ain't been seen with a visible white man, even 40, 40, be behind the scenes. Can I like to point to something? - Yes. - On a song called "National Treasure," which was on "Ice Man." Drake goes, "Check, sign in is my kink. I'm pushing out ink. I feel like a squid." You see what he did there? You see what he did there? He's saying sexually, his kink is sign in checks because he's getting so many dollars. And the ink from the pen, that spill, now, as he signed in the checks. So guess what, animal, that does that kind of stuff. The squid. - I, wait. Check signing is the kink. - Yes, but as he's signing the checks, the ink is spilling out. - I know, I know, but I'm like, so just sign a check and slide it over to a woman. Like, he acts like he's so miserly. He acts like he never wants to give any money, but check signing is the kink. It's not check receiving. - I think that is what he's getting at. I think what he's getting at is he's signing, he's signing the check because he has so many checks coming in and he has to endorse them for them to be positive. - You think Drake is talking about endorsing a check? - I think that's what he's talking about. I don't think that's what he's doing in real life. But I do think that is what, I think that's what this is about. - I'm just saying, check signing is my kink. It's like, for a man who only complains what woman trying to get money out of you, it sounds like you love getting money away. - Well, and of course he does. That's the thing is like, if you've been listening to Drake for a while, it's like, he loves it. He loves buying these bags and paying for rent for these women. And then he loves, what is it, a transactional relationship? - I do think that. But then he's like, when he's in a transactional relationship, he's like, it feels like it's just about the transaction for you. It feels like you just want the thing that you're getting out of this. That's all you want out of this. You not in it from our heart. He is like, he's taking a stripper on vacation and being like, I don't think she likes me that much. Hold on, here it is. - This is my kink. Push it out. I feel like it's bleeding. - I love how much that reminds me of the squid from like, finding Nemo. - Totally. - That like, inged and like, like, jolt's bad. - It's just, it's just, man. Sometimes listening to him really does him even more justice than reading him on the page because it's funny on the page. But then when you hear him, check signing is my kink and pushing out ink. I feel like it's weird. He's got so much joy with the way, like. - No, he's having a good time. - Oh, here's another one. Pointing back to the, to the inselliness of I think what's happening in, in his, in his catalog. Off of Habit the, he's got a song called High Fives. And like, the recurring thing that he says in the song is, High Fives from the bros for me 'cause I fucked her for nothing. Meaning like, because he didn't, his bros are proud of him 'cause he didn't have to pay for pussy. That's one of the biggest loser sentiments I think a person could ever say. And he's dread, he's an international superstar. And he's been, imagine being an international superstar and you fuck a girl for free and your boys are like, oh, he got it. Look at him. Look at him. - This is a monster homie. - He's getting one out of four. And when the friends come over, I mean, you know. - His averages aren't good. It's just like, and that's, the whole song's built around that. He's getting high fives 'cause he's fucking women and not having to pay for it, it's like, how's it, why is it this difficult for you, dog? - And I like this song too. Like, I think it's kind of like, of this album, it's one of the catchier songs. - Sure. - I don't really like when he gets into that auto tune he gets into like the auto tune that he's doing on this does not really work for me. - I like it, but it's funny that it's just like whining. - That's, it feels, it does feel whining to me. - It's very to me, oh, what could it possibly, you own your phone rings and it's like, let me just turn this over. What could it possibly be today? - So what do you want? - And I really relate to Maya, I guess. - Sure. - Because he keeps, he's like complete. - It's got like a, there's a begging quality, but not in like a cool like 90s R&B way. - No. - There's a begging, there's a begging like a, - It's begging for attention, not desire, and that is really a linchpan of a lot of these songs. - Of what's going on here? - I can't stress enough how listening to these again, in the context of the song really makes them that much funnier. I forgot that he was singing like that. Him going, hi fives from the bros for me, 'cause I fucked up for nothing. That's not, that's just not a cool thing to say. - He's like recording this from like a basement, where he's just gotten into so much debt online gambling, and he's just like, just into like his little microphone. Like it's not someone who is having fun. - Not somebody who's up. And I do think, I think we might be on the same page with this, which is the Drake, I'm just like, I just want you to feel like you're having fun again, and I get why it might be hard to have fun, 'cause Kendrick really danced around on your grave after calling you a sex criminal. So I would get how that would make it hard for you to have fun, but like, I do want to feel like you are enjoying yourself, and that's, to me, made of honor, feels like a time where he's having a good time. And I think that's why I'm gravitating towards it. - I think the most fun he's having though is on stuck. Like that's fun. - He's doing like a Bobby Brown impression on that. - And that's okay. - Yeah. - I just like the idea of Drake trying something different, or not, that's what is so, you know, just tedious to me about Iceman. Is that just the same thing again and again and again? At least on made of honor, he is, I don't just trying something new. - Yes, and I do like that. I also was really on board with you about, honestly, never mind. - Yeah. - I thought it was so cool that he branched out and tried something that was like so far away from what he had been doing before. And I thought it mostly worked. - Yeah. - But I do think like the bros really got down on it, 'cause they want to, even on that record, he still had to have like a pure rap joy with 21 Savage on it, because he was like, he was like, yeah, I mean, I'm saying it, but I still like, still thugged out. Like he still had to like get into that bag, in a way that I was just like, man, I do think present-era Drake, I think we kind of need no kias. I think we kind of need like, what's the one where he's like, oh, and you're ready. We can leave it behind us. - Oh yeah. - Texco, is that Texco green? No, no, that's not Texco green. It's from that album. - Is that sticky? - No, that's not, but I love sticky. You know how sticky it, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I love sticky. - That's so fun. Oh my gosh, would it kill you to have a good time for once? - We need Drake club records. We need my personal favorite version of Drake, is the version where he sounds like he's on an island with like several buttons on his button down shirt. That's like, I fuck with passion fruit, heavy. You play, if you are listening, and you're one of my close friends and family, play passion fruit at my funeral, please. I need, you know what I'm saying? - Are they gonna get cremated? - I don't know if I got enough asked for that. You know, that's for, that's for y'all to say. Not for me. Yeah, that is my favorite. I love Island Drake, much like Kendrick, where he's saying, keep making me dance, waving my hands and it won't be no threat. He's being like, yo, when you're being light and breezy and like kind of Caribbean vaguely, like, that's what I'm in it for, for him. And when he's having fun, I don't want to hear any more like frustrated angry bars where he said he's a, on Dusty says, I'm a corporate America hit survivor. - Okay, well that made me laugh. - Got a real big heart, but I'm a fucked up guy, though. - Again, made me laugh. Sorry, that's, I do like that version of Drake. - Okay. - I'm a corporate America hit. It's like, oh, you're so different. Like, you're not like the other boys. Like, I'm sorry, that is hilarious to me. He did have a bar to that exact same point that I had. Like, I was on the train listening. Oh, the one on the table with Drake and with him in 21 Savage, he goes, I'm fighting the man not suing some rapper. Not suing the rapper, you boys is not listening. I'm fighting the man not suing the rapper, you boys is not listening. - I love that because it's like, you lie. You love to lie. Like, oh, I didn't sue you. I was fighting me when I lie. (laughing) - Lie. - Sure. - Oh my, so for, I guess, do you wanna get the context of the lawsuit? - Sure, I mean, he's suing, what is it, BMG? - UMG. - UMG, he's suing UMG, basically saying that, basically saying that they gained the system and they inflated the streams of not like us artificially. And he has a whole lawsuit that's going on and he's basically saying, that wasn't about not like us. It wasn't because there was a huge hit record that said that I was a pedophile and called my character into question. It's not about that. It's actually about me, it's actually about me fighting the power. - Right. - That's actually what it is. - It's just rich coming from someone who, you know, has benefited from the power structure. - Well, of course. I'm like, how do you know how they can tip the scales? Because, you know, but also, who just said about Kendrick, you're always trying to get the slaves freed. - He did say that. - So now you're woke? - Like I'm saying, he's picking his spots, the DJ Khaled, he's picking very specific reasons to be woke and it seems to only be self-servant. He's not like, I've never seen him like stand up for any greater good that wasn't directly beneficial to- - Except for God's plan. - Oh, when he was giving out cash. - Giving out all that money, but also that makes him look cool. Like a lot of rich guys who could give very publicly, it makes you look like a good guy. You go into the hood and you're handing out cash. I do, I bet you, I do legitimately think that Kendrick is doing that type of shit but I think he doesn't ever say anything about it. - I think it's like- - Can we go to another lyric? 'Cause this was one of my, this was one of mine. On "Shut the fuck up, Janice," from "Ice Man," handing out turkeys on camera inside of your hood, then you go back to the hills. I'm like, that calls coming from inside the house, in the hills. - I think he lives in hidden hills. He literally lives in a place called hidden hills. - That, to me, is talking about him. That applies way more to him than it does to Kendrick. - I would agree. I mean, I look, I don't know what everybody's got going on. It just, to me, that critique always has felt kind of whack to me because it's like, yeah, what are you gonna, you're a world famous superstar. You can't be living where you used to live. It's straight up not, it's not safe. Like you actually gotta go somewhere else 'cause like people are gonna be on you. - Yeah. - So anytime you're like, "Oh, you don't even like live around where you live." It's like, I had to, I had to move around from there. - Yeah, but that, not even that, just the idea of like this performative giving. I'm like, you're the king of performative giving. - You did a whole music video where that was the whole thing. - Exactly. And so I don't understand him, like, trying to bark back at Kendrick with that. It's so like-- - Pot and Kettle. - Yeah. - Yeah. Also, another one that my, the homie Danny brought to my attention was it's from a song called Fort Worth, shout out to Fort Worth, Texas. That's where Leon Bridges is from. - Why does that matter? - It doesn't really, it's not really connected to anything that I'm about to say. But he, it's just kind of a fact. It's just kind of a real true fact. On Fort Worth from Habipti, he goes, ♪ I'm getting booked in Little Rock, Arkansas ♪ ♪ New Haven, Connecticut ♪ ♪ In places where they probably still fly to Confederate ♪ ♪ And I'm still alone in the United States of America ♪ ♪ And who's back at home taking care of you ♪ That he goes, ♪ The AC is broken in my hotel, it's hot as hell ♪ ♪ Running out of sodas, I might walk to Circle K by myself ♪ - I might respect that. If this was like, stream of consciousness. - Sure. - Like, if, if this was like a live stream, I don't know. But here, again, like, why release this? What is the purpose? - I really don't understand. And it's also like, he's talking about getting booked in Little Rock, Arkansas, New Haven, Connecticut. It's like, Drake, you don't have to go to those places. You can, you like, nobody's, it's like, I have to go to places like that. I perform, no disrespect, and come see me on tour, please. I'm going to whatever, you go, go, whatever. But it's like, I need to go to places like New Haven, Connecticut. I was in New Haven not that long ago. I'll go to Little Rock, Arkansas. That is what a, like, mid-level touring stand-up comedian has to do. That is not what, like, somebody who has, like, more number one hits than the Beatles. You don't have to, you can go to major markets and just sell their Drake and never have, and you also don't gotta go to the Central K. - I'm trying to imagine, is this him trying to be, like, relatable? Is he trying to say, like, you know, someone out there goes to New Haven, Connecticut, and they feel alone. And I can, like, what, I don't, who is that for? - I don't understand. It feels like it's written from the perspective of, like, a version of him from 2008. Like, there's a version of him who's still trying to get on, who, like, has to play in those cities, but, yeah, I just don't understand. He's talking about being sad in a place that he never had to be in the first place. - It's something about him being all alone in the United States of America. He reps half of the cities in the US. - He's always talking about being in Houston. He loves being in Memphis. He literally has a house in the greater LA area, so it's like-- - He loves it all. - Yeah, it seems like you're a fan of the states. I just-- - I think the AC gets fixed. - Yeah, why is the AC broke? Well, I guess maybe I need to revisit, but I could be wrong. Maybe he is. is speaking from an earlier time in his life-- He must be what he has to be. Because other than that-- Or it just cause play. Because other than that, yeah, I couldn't really begin to understand why he would do that. You know what? Your culture is not a costume. Thank you. And I hope Drake knows that. Thank you. I really grew up around Confederate flags. You-- is that an Oklahoma? You guys have Confederate flag people? Yes and no. It's complicated. Because Oklahoma was not technically in the Civil War. It was like indigenous territory. Oh, it wasn't a state-- So it's like not-- yeah, it wasn't a Confederate state. It wasn't anything. Oklahoma's a little baby. Oklahoma's baby girl. Wasn't even around. Probably getting a text from Drake. Oklahoma is a baby girl. There's going to be-- there's going to be a song called-- there's going to be a song called hunting after you or something like that. About me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's going to be-- I'm not getting a Drake song. If I did get a Drake song, I would want it to be like 4 p.m. in Brooklyn. Oh, you're-- like one of those. That's like-- well, also, I do feel like Ice Man is in the long lineage of songs that Drake has done, where he's like, all right, I'm rapping on this one. Like, I'm really seriously rapping. He has like a rap-- like a one or two, like, rap-ity-wrap songs, where it's like all bars, no hook, no chorus. And to me, Ice Man just feels like it's filled with those joints. Of course, because it's the album for boys. And that helped me realize, like, oh, actually, I don't want a fool. And I appreciate it when there's like one or two of them. I don't need like a full Drake rap-ity-wrap album, not at this stage. No. Even though he can do a Drake is a real legit, very good rapper. I know, but this is not the level of-- on the same caliber is like non-stop. No, but non-stop's also-- that song's for the party. Yeah, I know. But it's also like more rap-ity-wrap, I think. And what's your favorite line from non-stop? What did I say, I can't remember? He goes, I'm a hard hitter. I'm a bar-spitter. Yeah, light skinned, but it's a dark nigga. Yeah, yeah. However, it's just-- it's hard to take tricks here. So it's like a rap-ity-wrap-- rapper when we've just come off of an incredible Clips album. Like, if I wanted to hear rapping, I know who I'm going to speak to. That might be on the next Clips album. That might-- somebody might get back to them. Begging for it. Yeah, that would be-- Begging on my hands and knees. I love them. I love that video of them. Of Mala Singalibubu. And he's like-- [LAUGHS] He doesn't trust it. No, and he's looking at-- he's like, mm, no. On prioritizing, he's saying-- he's talking about he's scared of the future. He's saying, I'm scared of what those times are going to be like. AI used to just be a guy who used to try to be like. Drake, don't say stuff like that, man. Don't say stuff like that. Because that also-- that sounds like-- that sounds like what your silliest uncle would say. That sounds-- oh, what's all this about AI? What's all this about the AI? Oh, AI was supposed to be artificial computers now. AI used to be the guy we was trying to be like. But that is the guy that Drake makes music for. I was on the basketball court for uncles. Yeah, for people who have a Bluetooth in their ear, and they're not interested in text them. That's not true. No, that-- but he's on his way there, certainly. He's starting to say stuff like them. He's starting to say stuff like uncles. I think his maybe fatal flaw is he's still trying to make music for 24-year-olds. He's trying to make music for 24-year-olds and women with lashing stichens. Like that's like-- So there's a gun in the room. That's crazy. OK, but you're taking that as a bad thing. I'm just saying that's who the music is for. I'm not saying it's necessary. What did you say? I wish we could run this back. You said 24-year-olds. And when was that? 24-year-old boys. And I'm supposed to be pleased by that comparison. That's supposed to-- That's a good thing. I'm just saying I think those are the two demographics he's aiming for. Also, I think your eyelashes look great. Oh, OK, I got my-- well, you can do one or I can do one. OK, OK, you do one first, and I'll find another. On B's on the table, he goes-- he goes, I can't even talk to my dogs. I can't even talk to my bitch. Sometimes I sit in the parking garage, and I talk to my watch, or I talk to my whip. Which, again, that's what losers say. That's what losers say. And I want to be clear, Drake, I don't think you're a loser, but you are saying "losery things." You're saying I cannot talk to my friends, and I cannot talk to any woman. So I talk to my watch, or I talk to my car. That is what a boy with-- that's a little, like, a rich kid with an imaginary friend says stuff like that. And I want so much better for Drake, because I think he is better than that. That sounds really not cool. I-- I don't even know where to begin. It reminds me a lot of, like, collateral. OK, the movie? Yeah, just in the sense of, like, driving around lonely, confused. I can't talk to anyone. Like, Tom Cruise is trying to kill me low-key. But that's not Drake's reality. Like, that has nothing to do. He can't call-- I don't know. He can't get on Instagram. Just call someone there. That's all he talks about. I mean, you've got to have so many-- you've got to have so many people accessible. I guess he's pointing to, like, the fact that he feels lonely. But I also just think that him illustrating his-- Well, what does he do with loneliness? And he's like, oh, damn. Let me just take this out in the bins. Like, what? It's, like, it's at least-- it would have been flyer on a series, like, I can't talk to nobody. So I hit the strip club, and I, like, go talk to strippers. Yeah, that, that I would respect. And it's sad in a different type of way, but at least you're talking to other human beings. Like, the fact that he's like, yeah, I roll up my-- if I can't talk to nobody else, I can talk to my AP. And me and my AP will have a conversation, and that'll make me feel better. I'm surprised that he's not talking to a chat GPT at this point. Well, who's to say? Well, A.I. used to be someone we wanted to be like. Woo! Tracker, don't-- He's heard that. Yeah. You got one? OK, yes. Really quickly, I just want to point out the fact that he said, on high five, he goes, she, a genie, Sidney Sweeney, where my diamond glove they could never see me. What do you think about Sidney Sweeney? In what capacity? General. Not for me. Not for me. Beautiful, beautiful gowns, though. I saw a tweet the other day that was like, Sidney Sweeney will never impress me, because I grew up on real white bitches, like Megan Fox. I don't think that's the best comparison, but I hear the point. I do-- I'm just kind of shocked that she gets named checking a Drake song, like-- Oh, I'm not. He's been kissing white bitches a lot. I don't know. Something about Sidney Sweeney, it's like, that's his co-worker. Really? As a producer, as a producer on your story, that's true. I always forget about that. I'm just saying, Sidney Sweeney, you should call someone. That's inappropriate. She a genie, Sidney Sweeney. What the fuck does that mean? Just what is that, even if it's a silly one? Oh, jean, because the ad, the American American Eagle ad, or the American Eagle ad. That sucks. That sucks. If he's talking about the American American-- American Eagle. He has to be genie, jeans, good jeans. That sucks. You know what? That's really giving you genetics. Like before, I was kind of like, maybe it's not, maybe she's just kind of dumb, whatever. No, this is-- she a genie, Sidney Sweeney. That's a dog whistle. That's giving-- I want to choose my child's eye color. Like, that's weird. Oh. Anyway. Okay, I want to talk about what's for my name. This is like a, yeah, a rap-y song. If I'm lying, if I'm lying, I'm flying economy. Give me a motherfucking seat. Have you seen "Double Wars" product, too? No, not yet. Oh, well, I'm not missing anything. But there is a really funny scene where Miranda Priestly-- Merrill Sheep is sitting in, like, 40-E, like, middle seat. And that was my first thought. I was like, oh my god, just like the "Double Wars" product, too. Like, how the mighty have fallen. You think you got an early screening? No, I went on rap genius, the website. And-- Don't do that to me. Don't do that to me, please. And it said that it was a reference to Kanye. Like, there was a-- Oh, yes. Yeah. There was, like, somebody took a picture of him on a plane, and there were like, he's an economy, which he just wasn't. I saw that picture, and it's like, no, he wasn't an economy. I know what economy looks like. His legs are all the way spread out. His legs are fully extended. You can't do that in economy. Somebody just captioned, look at Kanye as an economy. He didn't happen. I just liked the idea from lying and flying economy. And also, he goes, yeah, he says, if I'm lying, I'm flying economy. And then he-- wait, hold on. What's the actual-- I got to know I got to find it. He said something about, like, I'm flying economy. If I'm lying, I'm flying economy. And if I'm there, I guess I'll know-- Like, I'll know who I see. Well, that-- yeah, that's the-- That's Kanye. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, I know I do like that a lot. It's really shocking to me, though, that in this-- I mean, I don't know. Is it that crazy? Are you surprised by this? I thought there was more artistically happening in the newest Kanye album than in the new Drake and three Drake albums. Well, I mean, I think the real fact of the matter is, I think, as they both get into later career versions themselves, I think it really just hammers home how much overall, in terms of artistic integrity of creativity, Kanye is a far better artist than Drake ever was. He just is. He just has always made more interesting. music at at the expense and it's why he doesn't have as many hits yeah, he's always trying to make something that is like pushing the sound for it It might be weird during the time right, but that is also like why he is One of the great artists of our time which he's always told us and I've always agreed with Drake's one of the great artists of our time But he's like he exists in a different space. I do think Kanye is like For whatever you want to say about him. You listen to his projects You're like oh this sonically sounds like nothing else. I've really heard before yeah, and Drake is always kind of like Taking the sound from somewhere else, whereas Kanye is like kind of creating new sounds and like pushing it forward Which Drake's never really been able to do that But you know, that's another conversation for another time Just going to run through a couple more that I really liked y'all about to make me Richie like Lionel for real Lionel Lionel, you know, did you see the Kiki Palmer clip? No, she said it. She like this was a whole thing She did that it's Lionel about Lionel Richie Yeah, that he said that everyone's was processing his name as Lionel. I love Kiki. I want to get her on here so bad I just want to go see that movie shout out On Gen 5. He says I know I'm treating you better than him because you do not come home with no blackened eye Which dark but also what a low barrier What a low low barrier Drake I do this is a kind of an recurring theme for Drake that he's always like better than the guy that you're with But the guy that this woman is with has like gotten progressively worse like the bar has just gotten so low Sure, it used to be like, oh he didn't buy you like a new watch on your birthday and like I'll make sure It used to be he forgot your birthday and used to be like he's you're saying I'll put you on the door for you He's got you in the middle row, right? It used to be that and now it's like black eye Drake That's you really couldn't the bar couldn't be lower that you're setting for yourself There's got to be something Yeah, like don't you want more for yourself and the answer is no Also on Gen 5 he goes and again to what we were saying about how he shouldn't be saying this kind of stuff because of the allegations that have been thrown at him he goes and You know, I call you my baby girl no wonder that you've been feeling pacified Don't say that right. They're calling you a pedophile. Don't evoke baby imagery. Don't do that. Don't say the girl you're involved with Is a is a baby, but maybe this speaks to your point that he that he's making music for 24-year-old boys Yes for boys who really talk to like young women who are their same age It's nasty also on rent to Atlanta. He goes When I tell you to dip because it's ice time bitch Don't say that it's ice time man. You just got to read the room I actually you have to say the next part. It ain't the fake feds That to me is like like making a clear illusion to ice. Yes, and you like and you know that it's that I gotta say that's my buddy My buddy Justin who guaranteed you will watch this he's like I know he was like oh, it's unrelated I don't see what they're trying to make it doesn't it's clearly like ice because it's Canada and it's in the north and I was like yeah, but you You got to be worldly enough to understand the context in which you're like saying the stuff it and then he directly like He's like, yeah, I'm I'm the ice guy. Yeah, he likes that. That's crazy. That's so gross to me. It sucks I do like when he said I'm he goes I'm doing my big one you doing a little one. What kind of man are you a middle one? Well, okay, let's talk about that because this was this line was about J. Cole. No, I believe so yes Something about Drake turning on J. Cole. I'm like look. He like that's your that's the only person in your corner right now J. Cole contributed a verse critical of Drake felt bad about it took it back publicly took it back and Drake said Turning the other cheek. He's no not even turning it, but he's not even happy about that. Yeah, like what will satisfy you? I think he honestly liked that J. Cole turned on him briefly. So he had something else to talk about I'm with you on this. I'm with you on this and I'm not gonna and yeah, I can't fight it at all I think I shouldn't be feeling bad for a J. Cole That shouldn't be happening. You should never make no one should ever make any music that makes you feel bad for J. Cole Yeah, and yeah, I'm like, you know what J. Cole he He's not a good friend to you And you need to leave him behind J. Cole if you're listening and and we know that you are Divest from Drake. He's not he doesn't he doesn't treat you well. He's not holding you down He's not even holding you down as a member of the light-skinned coalition. He doesn't care about you You know what I'm saying and I'm sorry to have to take it there, but it's true Ice-kin community got it. They're gonna bond together. You know nobody wins when the family fused We're actually up right now actually Is that true? Yeah chase infinity and Tyrick withers are dating so that's the biracial community. That's separate situation which that's Yeah, that's a different type of a what's the next lyric? Okay, can I I'm gonna do one more before you gotta go He goes uh take this shit and swallow it like big pharma lick me like a lollipop. I'm Duane Carter That's just like disgusting. Although I do think that is he anti-vax like Niki. Oh He's never spoken out about it. I bet you I bet you dragged out the vaccine. I bet you did I don't think I Don't think he's that kind of crazy. I bet he got the vaccine before everyone else like went like food like one of those like private places He got it and then fully lied about it was like no, I'm sorry. I didn't get it. Oh sure because they thought it sounded cool Yeah, that is definitely what he did Answer we gotta get out of here before we do is there anything you'd like to plug for the people Yes, I just fully blocked out I Know I coast the podcast. Let me say this with Peyton Dix on higher ground audio and I read a newsletter called hang up on Substack and I read about Drake a lot I it's hard being like one of the only people who has perfect opinions about Drake and yet every day I get up and do it every Single day here. You are with the correct opinion and also I'm sorry I'm in to do this sooner shout out to overcast a recent guest of the pod He got a production credit. He produced a make them pay on iceman So shout out overcast. Oh, that's one of ones we talked about yes, it is shout out overcast and the beat it on that is crazy We didn't talk about this but overall there are some really sick ass beats on this whole thing. He's Drake He gets he gets first pick of everything. He does get everybody's that that to me is like okay That's a participation credit. You're right because he's not producing himself. I hear you But yeah shout out overcast Yago check out the overcast episode if you haven't already go listen to overcast in general He's a great rapper great artist and Listen to these Drake albums if you should choose something tells me with the summer coming up You're gonna hear these songs whether you like it or not so Hunter appreciate you being here. Thank you. Bye all my favorite lyrics is a production by disco nap If you guys like what you hear leave a review and tell all me about the show and make sure to follow us at my favorite lyrics Pod on all social platforms except for Twitter. 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