Draft These Guys Before Your Friends: Players who's ADP is WAY TOO LOW! | Fantasy Focus

♪ Fantasy you in the '06 ♪ ♪ Don't want no focus ♪ ♪ Fantasy, fantasy focus ♪ - What's up friends? Welcome to the fantasy focus football. Alongside asleep in my play, in a very tired VJ. - My name is Daniel Dopp. My name is Daniel Dopp. Here for a live show of fantasy focus. - Look, we start. - Oh my god. I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry guys. Listen, it has been a week so far. Fantasy football marathon is in the books, two straight days of being able to do a ton of fantasy content with you guys. We are a little bit tired though. - Yeah, we are. - Last night we wrapped up our draft around 11.30 p.m. last night and it's a late one. I had sports center at 12.10 a.m. After that, I don't know about you guys. What did you just get to go home and sleep? - I mean, I tried to sleep, but like you sleep after doing that. - So much adrenaline after them shows. - Exactly. Yeah, so eventually that mocked draft, I could not fall asleep. - I went home and I fed a baby. So yeah. - Oh, look at you, it's yeah. - You go from working to working, feel sure. - But she cooperated, which is great. Very proud of the young girl. - Love that, love that. Well, we got a very fun show on tap today and by fun, I mean, we are going to be a little loopy but we're going to have some fun being able to dive into some breakouts for this year. Each one of us brought a breakout at each one of the positions. We're going to dive into that first of quick shout out to our buddy Eric Moody. Follow him on social media at Eric and Moody. Normally, he's in the chat, which he is today. He's also here in Bristol in the control room, hanging out for one more day before he heads back home. So give our little guy, Eric Moody, a little bit of love. - He's not little. He's actually the big first guy. - He is true. - He's a former offensive lineman. Moody is well built. He could probably bench a lot of reps at 225 pounds. You mentioned we're doing breakouts. I have a question and a statement. I guess I'll start with the statement. All right. I am going to try from now until the end of the regular, the preseason, excuse me. Make sure that I continue to get some new fresh names in. Players that we haven't discussed as much. And I think I've said my piece on Justin Herbert and Colston Loveland and Derek Henry. If something notable happens with those players or their teams, we'll talk about it through that lens. But my names today were guys that I don't think I've talked about as much this preseason. I wanted to get some additional thoughts off my chest. That's my statement. And I think we're all kind of aligned like going for what we want to do. I would say yeah, I did the opposite this time because this is in the middle of the marathon. We came up to you. So I just listed my favorite quarterback running back. I didn't think much through it. But I said the same thing before the show, which is like, this might be the last time I talk about Jeremiah loved. Yeah, like we've done it enough. But I'll put it on the, I'll put it on the board today one last time, one more time, official breakouts. And then, you know, I've said, there's a stat I've been saying every day. And I'm tired of saying this stat. And by changing everything is the Jeremiah love as a nearest one in car. That's it. That's it. That's right. The question is, do you guys have a strict definition? Never break out? No. Okay. No, it's all relative. There's different types of breakouts. There's guys like maybe you can go from wide receiver. I think JSA right jumps from like wide receiver to three to an elite receiver. And then there's guys that come out of nowhere or like a late round flyer and undrafted guy who becomes a fantasy starter. So yeah, there's different levels to it. I feel like they're, I mean, you could say the last couple of years we've been waiting for Kyle Pitz to be a breakout because we saw it for a second is rookie season, right? And then there are a couple of years where he kind of fell back. Can you re-break out if we've already seen it once? I think that's part of my criteria, even though I might have seen it at one point. If you have a couple of seasons where like things kind of go down or something like that, you can break out again. I think a good example would be like Justin Herbert, who had that one spike four years ago. Like he said, we're not using Justin Herbert. I know. I'm saying like once to make the case. But I think that's a similar example too. Like he did have that one good year and then he disappeared for a long time. But if he does leap up and he falls, he pays off like you think and he gets into the top five, I would consider that a great. Did that rash break out again this year? I, he was telling me about it doing the break too, feel still don't have a good answer for that. I've been working on it for years, working it. I know. That's what I do most of the offseason is trying to come up with a good response to that. I don't know. I was not right. I put that joke to bed. Like that. I haven't made a rash. Yeah. Probably 18 months. It's been a minute. But what's like there's just no better time to do it then. Can't you re-break out? Yeah. I put it back on the shelf for another 18 months back like the elf on the shelf. All right. Feel the G8's quarterback breakouts. I'm going to start with you, my friend, because I know how much you love love. Yes. I have to say that all offseason time to talk J love Jordan love. And so one thing about making a breakout case is that there are some stats that can work to help paint the pictures to why the player is going to break out. Sure. But the point is like you're expecting a leap of some sorts. Yeah. So prior year stats, don't tell the full story. I like it. The player can't become. But I would say this, Jordan love last year was a top eight quarterback in four of his games that he played in nearly 27% of his starts, because he did not play a full 17 game season. Jordan love has shown some level of upside previously. He also had five games with over 20 rushing yards last year. He had just one of those in 2024, which is to note that I can't tell you he's going to have five more games with 20 plus rushing yards. But we are always looking for pathways to fantasy success. Jordan love is a mobile quarterback, right? He's not going to use his legs a ton. He's not Lamar Jackson or Jalen Hertz or Drake May, but he's mobile enough that he's not going to be a Jared golf, a Matthew Stafford, a Kirk Cousins type quarterback, who only has to throw for 4,500 yards and 40 touchdowns. No big deal. Mike has talked about how he sort of sees this packers offense, and I'm an alignment here, kind of like we are sort of streamlining thing, right? We are streamlining. He's not going to be nine different receivers, the play meaningful roles and catch passes. It's going to be a lot of talk our craft to tight end with Matthew Golden, Christian Watson, Jaden Reed, as a three pass catchers. I think this offense is just going to be more Jordan love centric. I have him as quarterback 16. So I'm saying breakout, it's somewhat relative, but that's three spots higher than anybody else. I think this is a really good real life player, who I think would take a step forward as a fantasy player as the packers put more on his plate this year. One of my favorite, I'm not going to say late round targets because where I like him is if you take a quasi risky QB one, he's my one of my favorites. All right. I'm going to pair a just making this up Caleb Williams with the Jordan love. The only time that a packers and a bear's quarterback can get along is on my fantasy roster. Yeah. This is a tough one for me. We're not aligned on this one. I think it's a long shot. He's going to be in the QB one conversation. He flirted with fantasy relevance in 2023, but it's kind of been really bad the last couple of years. I know that he may run more than like a Stafford or goth, but I mean, he is just that he under 300 total rushing yards over the last two years combined and only one touchdown. And also, it's got to be a schematic change too. So I like first thing is coming, maybe to an extent, but also like Malafloor also runs a very slow offense to or kind of limits place. It's so conservative. And I just don't know if that part of it's going to change. So it's going to be balanced. It's going to be probably slow. He's not going to run enough. I mean, he really is going to need a tremendous passing season. And maybe that does happen, but I don't know if it gets the level of like where Baker was two years ago or Matthew Stafford was last year. I mean, Jared golf puts up enormous passing numbers and can barely hang in the top 10. I mean, love has to really get to that level. So maybe, maybe this is the year that happens, but I'm a little more pessimistic, especially with all the depth ahead of him guys that do run the guys that have that passing upside. I just can't get there. I'm 22 on my board. And I don't know if I'd go much higher than that. Well, no, this is that too. This is cold water. Oh, that Mike. Mike is throwing water. I don't understand. Like, after all the things that we just did, why you would wake up and choose violence against field like that? It's been seven minutes. And he said wrong stuff. One player objective. That's what he said wrong. So I held back a little because I do really appreciate your love the football player. I mean, in QBR last three years, he's finished ninth, fifth and third. I mean, he's been delivering the goods in terms of passing the football. He's a terrific NFL player, but he's just not a very good fantasy quarter. Can I peel the curtain back a little bit as well here? Yes, please. Remember how I mentioned the like I'm trying to talk about some fresh faces in new blood? Yep. We've talked about a lot of the quarterbacks. A lot. A lot. A lot. I know. I appreciate that part of it. The Williams case. We've talked about that. I know. I know. Not that you guys can't mention those players. I don't know. I was. It's like, who have we not discussed that much? Did I have a level optimism? And I do have optimism. It's my quarterback 16. So I'm not not giving you my quarterback 25. Like, I'm not making the CJ Stroud case. There's a break out this year. Jordan Love has my interest more than Mike, and I think probably more than. Yes. I'd say Stroud and love feel similar from a fantasy perspective though. I love the better player. I can't trust CJ. Ice cold. I don't trust either in fantasy. Mike, if you were going to throw a dart at someone to break out at the quarterback position, who would you pick? Jackson. Hey, again, I feel like I feel like now because of field set the table. I have to find like a deeper one as well. But I already already picked our graphics are set. We picked our names. There is my favorite quarterback target this season for sure, which I already did last season 12 games. He had eight top 10s, which is fifth, fifth most among quarterbacks, tremendous rushing potential to tremendous rushing production last year. And he was fine as a passer with a pretty poor supporting cast to be quite honest. So with me, Malik neighbors out there now, and they had some good depth with Darnell Mooney and you have Isaiah likely at tight end. And I believe it's third year, three now for Theo Johnson as well. I mean, they just have the pieces in place here to really make a leap forward. So I think this, the sky is the limit for Jackson Dart. And he remains my primary target at quarterback. Although across the industry, he's generally going like in the ninth round. And somebody took him in the seventh round of a 10 teamer last night on national television. Guy. I was not thrilled. But you know, it's what's funny about it is I had to settle for Dak Prescott and Monix a quarter back like. who I have ninth and 10th in my rankings at quarter. I like that position is so deep. - So deep. - The nation's at quarterback. I actually really like the Jackson Dart pick. You know it has to suck. And if you're watching, you can see this. If you're listening, I apologize. It's got to suck to be one of the other giants wide receivers besides Malik neighbors. You know why we're showing some clips right there? And this is a guy who's coming off of a gigantic knee injury. And he moves so much faster than everybody else. Like it's got to be humbling. It's what we play the same sport. Like there might be some giants wide receivers that make more money than Malik neighbors right now because he's on a rookie contract. I don't know that. - Oh yeah. - I saw a video the other day. It was a difference between a good, great, and elite wide receiver. And it was the Vikings. And they were running the same routes. It was Duwan Jennings. It was like, oh, pretty good. And it was like Jordan Addison. Like, oh, he's probably better. And then Justin Jefferson goes and you're like, oh my, just does not like that guy's not even like human compared to them. It's unbelievable. - Unless you. - You are ridiculous when it comes to. - Unless you, Ohio State, I don't understand how you get all these wide receivers. It is remarkable. Who's your pick, Daniel? - Well, Fields, you and I understood the assignment. So we wanted to go with a couple of guys. - No, I literally did follow the assignment. - I'm not even talking to you. I was talking to feet. - No, I followed you. - I did what I was talking to. - I want to hear more about your thoughts. - Yeah. - I ended up going, I love you, Michael, just for what is worth. I went with Tyler Shuck here. - Keep good. - That's what you'll break out. This is a deep cut. I have him a little bit higher than you guys. - You do? - I've got him at QB 13. You guys are just outside the top 16 with Tyler. One of the things that I'm looking at is he didn't play for the entirety of the beginning of the season. Didn't even play until week 12, after week 12. That was his first start. This is what he did. 17.4, 21.3, 18.1, 17.1, 21.9. At least 17 fantasy points across the board in every single game as a rookie. After not playing for the entirety of the season. This is one of the things that we want to see, which is a rookie being able to take an opportunity, especially towards the end of the year. Give us a little bit of pump, a little bit of judge, as my friend Elizabeth says, to be able to see what he could be. I do think that the Saints are going to be an ascending team in the NFC South this year. The Jordan Tyson thing puts a little bit of cold water, like Mike would do on your takes on this one. Unfortunately, however, I still love Tyler's shock. I think if he uses his legs and this offense does what he, you know, what it can do. I don't think that it's crazy to think the comp of Tyler's shock could be similar to what Bonyx was last year. - He's healing. He's a lot of the right boxes, a second year quarterback, mobile quarterback, that's good. - Yep. - I would say that not a dominant supporting cast by Andy Stratch, but intriguing supporting cast. - Absolutely. - Chris Olave leads the way there. When Jordan Tyson's back, that certainly helps as well. Confidence should be sky high right now. It's a division that does not have any defenses that I'm like, all right, you have of those six division games. You've got two where you're playing, you know, this like kind of hurts to be in the NFC West if you're Brock Purti. - He's an amazing player. He's got four ridiculously tough matchups against the Rams and the Seahawks, which we saw that happened him against Seattle late last season. So I don't hate the Tyler shock call it all. - Yeah. He put decent numbers together as a rusher and passer. You have a high ceiling, but the supporting guest is not good. It is much better now. I mean, at some point a lot of Tyson, you mentioned Olave obviously, Travis H. Chan as well. So yeah, I like that call for sure. Also, you know, he, I guess we shouldn't be shocked if he's going to be a decent quarterback that it happened quickly. Cause remember, he was an older prospect. Is that in years? - I just, I just confirmed this because I was very close, but he's actually older than Trevor Lawrence, which is crazy. - Out of wild. - You know, you want to think guys older. A lot of these guys were talking about two years older than like CJ Stroud, and he's been around for a while. So he should be polished and he looked polished late last season. So yeah, I do like this one. - Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick look at the running. - No, I want to do mine. Malik Willis is mine. That's my deep. - Oh, good. - That's a guy. If I was, yeah, if it was more like a deeper breakout player, Malik Willis certainly would be on that list because of his dual-threadability. - I'll give you a little trivia here. As we get to, oh, there's a quarterback ADP. So Malik Willis is Mike's deep sleeper. He's currently going is quarterback 24. There are some red flags for all of these players on the board. Really starting a Patrick Behalms. - I was just going to say. - 15th ranked quarterback. - Him at 15. A lot of what he did last year was buoyed by his legs that are really around in the season. I'm interested to see what he's going to look like this year from a passing game perspective. - But I wouldn't be surprised if Baker Mayfield finishes like Cubie. - He's another one like that. - He can put up big pasture numbers. If Abouka is healthy, he can do that for sure, but that just goes to show the depth of that position. - Maybe a little bit of trivia here. And bear with me. I did need to reduce the qualifier by one yard to make this work, but there are five running backs that have at least 1,399 scrimmage yards in three of the past four seasons. - Okay. - I wish it were 1,400, but it's instead 1,399. - That works. - I'm going to give you four of them. - Okay, okay. - You guys can see if you can guess the fifth. - All right. - Derek Henry. - Yep. - Good. - Safe one, Barclay. - Good. - Christian McCaffrey. - Good. - B. John Robinson. Good. I would say three guys who are maybe already pro football Hall of Famers. If they retire today and a fourth in B. John, who's on that track. - On the way. - Yeah. - Can you guess the fifth? - I'll use check. - It is, he missed it by three yards too. - Stop, that's a tough one. - Not for sure to be a fullback. - Me too. - I was in an Alec Engold. I understand why you went with. - I actually, I saw the paper, so I can't guess. - I also saw the paper. Tell me who it is though. - It is Travis H and Junior. - Yeah. - I love these goofies. - Actually, it was Travis ETN. - That was Travis ETN. - Ah, it was. - At the time, it was. - Oh, I don't know if we could try any of these stats now. - That's good. - This is why I think the term's a breakout sort of subjective, right? Because he's been a good player in three of his four NFL seasons. He also, at times, feels like he was not utilized to his full capabilities in Jacksonville. And he had some competition, some competition for opportunities, especially last year in the offense kind of found its footing. The Saints gave him a huge contract this off season for running back, I think it was four years, $53 million to be precise. Alvin Camera is currently banged up. I know that the expected timelines around a month, I would just say that when it's an older veteran back who's kind of like hanging on for a role as it is, that window being open for Travis HN, like if he plays well in the first couple of weeks, the Alvin Camera role, which is probably already small to begin with, could just be reduced further. HN's an amazing pass catcher. Coming out of Clemson, that was his calling card, was he is one of the best pass catching running backs amongst prospects we'd seen in the past few years. When he came out of Clemson, he also had set the NCAA record for most games with a touchdown scored. Like he's been a prolific player at every level. We have confidence in this offense as we just discussed with the lens of Tyler Schuck. Mike was talking about how the Packers are one of the slowest offenses in the NFL. Not many offenses are faster than a Kellen Moore offense. A lot of plays, a lot of opportunities here. If HN is RB 11 at the end of the year, I won't be surprised. Even in a year, when we feel like there's 14, really strong running backs to begin the board. I agree with that. Let's get it all. Mike Clay, where are you going with your? Yeah, I make out pick. He loves the wrong love, but I love the right love. Jeremiah love, of course, I've talked about him over and over again. Actually, I'm going to change my stat slightly. I'm going to make a little more specific, okay? Right. I've used it so much. The last nine running backs drafted in the top 12, finished top 11 in fantasy points. Whoa. In the fantasy point. So 12's like a nice round number, I was used. Yeah, it rolls off. It does. It does. 11 because gente finished 11th last year. Yeah. Look, I'm obviously all in and Jeremiah love is ADP is falling a little bit. I took him in the late second round in our draft last night. Often he goes into third. I don't want to take a chance of missing out on him. I'm keeping a close eye on very similar to Alvin Camara. James Connor status in Arizona. I'll be obviously frustrated if he has a role early in the season. I'm pessimistic. That's going to happen. I just don't. I don't see that. It happens with Tyler. I'll cheer there. And obviously Jeremiah love. But here, the bottom line is even if they try to start him slow, the first week or two, I think it's going to be too good to keep him off the field. He's going to, especially in offense that are a team that needs good things to go right. For a team that's going to struggle this year, they need playmakers. I think they're going to have to feature him this year. And if he gets 15 plus touches a game, I think he's going to be super efficient and highly productive. And frankly, the number might be higher than that. A couple of thanks to note here. First, I did see a photo on Instagram or social media somewhere. If Jeremiah love carrying pizzas up a staircase to get into an airplane as the cartels are flying to their final pre-season game. Is that like a rookie? I think it's, yeah, rookie sort of responsibilities, if you will. Sure. And another sign that that ankle is progressing nicely, right? If he was carrying all the pizzas, I'm more so just like, you know, if there's any risk whatsoever, you're not making the third overall pick on the draft, walk up a set of stairs. That's just been pushed up to an airplane, right? These aren't exactly like, you know, an architectural masterpiece that he was walking up there. That's number one. Number two is my fear, so to speak, on Jeremiah love after he was drafted was, is he going to get up to the range of where people were taking Ashton Gentile and Beige on Robinson when he came out? Because if Ashton Gentile has, excuse me, if Jeremiah love had to season like other one of those guys, and he was being taken ninth overall, I get it. Yes. Top 12 already back, but it would be a disappointing season as somebody who rostered Ashton Gentile in the war room. Yep. Last year who took him, I want to say like six to eight over all somewhere in that six to eight range. It was a disappointing step. Definitely. Like it just was. Even if he still finishes a top, I mean, it was six eighth overall and he finished 11th. So yeah, I mean, of course, there is there is rookie duties, rookie duties, what we're calling looking healthy, looking strong. Yeah. Exactly. A lot of boxes, that's seven pizzas. Seven pizzas. That's like a Mike weekend fest right there. Really is. And by the way, he's also, I think he's drinking the old school gear out of a can. The best. Wow. It's the best. Wow. I absolutely love gear out of a can back in the day. I wish it was available more readily around stores and Connecticut. Anyways, if he has one of those type seasons and he was going ninth overall, be a problem. But his ADP, not just because of the ankle, but also because there's some really good runny back options this year that have been there and done that. His current ADP is 23. To me, if he's RB 11 after being drafted 23rd overall, no, I don't think I don't consider that an amazing season. I don't consider that a disappointing season. I consider it an about right season in ESPN standard leagues. 23 means he's coming off the board at the beginning of the third round. You just said last year, the action gente was drafted somewhere between like pick six and eight. I mean, a lot of leagues for sure, yes, it would be like if, you know, if Jonathan Taylor finished his finishes RB 11 this year, he'd be like, that sucks. This feels like, unfortunately, even though all the things you're saying about JDMI love and I don't think any of us disagree with the superstar potential of him, this just feels like a more appropriate spot for a rookie right now, especially with where the top of the running back room is. I think we just have, I think two things is people are making sure to stockpile running backs early and just like a lot of veteran backs find themselves in a good spot. Yeah. Who's your pick? I'm going to go deep with this one because this bears running backs to the moon this year. I understand. We've been talking about Deandre Swift. He's already kind of broken. How about Kalmanungai? Listen, Kalmanungai I think is in a spot and this would be a breakout for real. If it really happens, you had a couple of weeks last year where he looked really good taking over for Deandre Swift, 17.4 fantasy points as running back 12 in week seven over 22 fantasy points in week nine over 19 fantasy points in week 13 when he was given the opportunity we saw him look very good in this offense. I think there's at least a chance that this becomes a little bit more of a two headed backfield like we saw down the stretch last year. Even though Deandre Swift clearly going to be the RB one of this squad. That's not in consideration. I don't believe. But if anything happens to him, I think Kalmanungai has a shot to be able to continue to do more within this offense. We saw him do really well last year and I just keep coming back to in my head, right? This isn't a stat, but it is a narrative. When Johnson told all of us he wants to score more points than anyone else ever in the history of the NFL. If that happens, sometimes I just want to load up on guys at the position and Kalmanungai is the cheapest of the bears to load up on and drafts right now. So as far as like a late round insurance running back that could break out if the situation was right. I really love the situation. Let's be honest. This was the hardest position to find a break out. Oh, easily running back is the hardest one. There's a couple ones that stand out like we didn't do like the shaltoon would have been a logical one. Yeah. Popular. I should say he's like a very popular. Yep. Breakout player. That's a good one. I hear you a good finish. No, no, you go. I was just going to say I, we've talked about this before. I don't agree. I just don't know about you, right? It's an F10 loan value and that's the problem. I was going to say, yeah, we're talking about fantasy points. I'm diving deep. I just wanted to say that was drafted, but here's where you lost draft and here's where you lost me though. You said, John Drey Swift obviously will remain the lead back. I mean, that's the end of that's the end of him is a breakout barring injury, right? I mean, I just, unless you think they really can support two fantasy starters that running back. I don't know how, how we've ever seen a Ben Johnson let off and support you, but there's that what you're saying now. That's a nasty. No, no, no, I just, I guess I was just like wondering if that's so common on guy is as good as peak David Montgomery and Jameer Gibbs is is why we're prognosticating breakouts rather than just saying. Yeah. And I'm prognosticating that you're wrong on this one, barring Swift injury. I mean, obviously he was outstanding. And almost 200 yards. The one game Swift missed, but he averaged under eight fantasy points per game the rest of the year. So this is actually this is, I think, an important way to illustrate a very notable dynamic that comes into drafts because it's hard for me when I say like, yeah, like load up on running back early and then Puka Nikuwa falls to you at pick seven. All right, listen, I'm taking Puka Nikuwa there, right? It's too good to bypass a player of that value. It's really not like Puka vis-a-vis Christian McCaffrey or Jonathan Taylor that I think makes the point about why we believe more often than not to lean into running backs early. It's, let's call it RB 33 Kyle Menongai has in Mike's estimation and I'm aligned with Mike, sorry Daniel. That's all right. No staying alone value in a week in a 10 team league, right? No, 16 team league during bi-weeks, maybe, but otherwise not going to be playing him. However, I don't know who wide receiver 33 is coming off the board right now, but the name is probably a whole, it's probably his teammates Luther Bird in the third, which even with Mike's understandable and logical issues with his ADP industry wide, like Luther Bird and concernedly, he could be a top 15 wide receiver, that would be stunned, right? If Kyle Menongai becomes a top 15 running back, Andy Andres with remains healthy, I would be flatly stunned. Absolutely. And the kind of the point is the cost too. You know, he's going eighth, ninth round in the industry right now. That's a little expensive for an insurance running back at that point in the draft, especially with the receiver talent that you have, like one of your, the same ADP is Juan Dale Robinson, who is like, I feel like could be usable week, he will be. And then like I think about, like again, I'm just going to add another name on to these because I want to go, I'm going to play this game. I wish I did like deeper, deeper breakouts, and he's like, oh my, not a nine round of 12 team leagues, but like seventh eighth round right now is Jonathan Brooks. So I feel like could be a usable running back to if he does take control of that job. I know you're not as high in him, but he actually has a path to stand alone value. He's a 15 touch lead back in, in Carolina this year. So he ended up for sure, I would, I know he's going to hear earlier, but I would definitely lean that direction. Yes, PN fantasy leagues, Kyle Menungai coming off the board in the 13th round. So not even close to that. And I recognize this is why we talk about ADP. It's different based on where you're going to play. I would. I love that I'm being taken to task for not picking a top 20 running back that has already broken out. And I just decided to follow the exercise and pick someone that hasn't done the league yet, guys. But it's fair. Nope. Menungai has played in league. My guy love has not yet. So he would, you can go from zero with all the way to the top 10. You're guys zero with 30. It's a 27th. I don't. I asked who was wide receiver 33 and ADP, by the way, answer right now, Portland Sutton. So that's a more intriguing player for me based off of where he is being taken versus RB 33. Let's dive into a handful of questions before we move on. We talked about court. Okay. We talked about some running backs. But guys, before we dive into that, I do want to say this. It was really great being able to do this marathon with you. We had over what? How do we 2.04 million teams drafted? Two million teams drafted. Unbounded. It's like only one million of them. That's right. It's just the start because this is where drafts really start to kick off right now. Hopefully you have been able to wait. And the majority of your leagues are going to happen now. I feel do and I have a draft literally today that we're going to start. I think it's a 30. Yes. A 30 tonight. There's something that we mentioned during the broadcast last night worth sharing here and understand no pressure, but something to consider. A V dot org slash donate ESD is trying to raise 10 million for pediatric cancer research between now and the Super Bowl. You know, there's there's an often used phrase that I think sometimes rub people the wrong way that there is no such thing as a donation to small. There is no such thing as a donation to small here. Yeah. Well, $1 is $1 more than nothing and it's $1 closer to the goal. And so if you're willing and you're capable, we would certainly appreciate it V dot org slash donate. We talked about that on the marathon last night and we are five months on 20 days away from the Super Bowl. Wow. We have a countdown here at ESPN. It's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. Obviously ESPN's first ever broadcast on our network ABCs had them previously, but the first ever on ESPN. So there you have it. Let's dive into a handful of questions from our chat. This one comes from Wild Bill reviews is Keenan Allen worth the waiver pickup guy. So you're waiting for the draft, right? The draft happens. How would you pick him up off the waivers? I guess it would have to be someone you put on IR. Otherwise, are you adding up waivers? Well, you could also, yeah, I mean, some teams, some leagues run waivers right away. There are ways you can have him. It just depend like he's my wide receiver 51. So it depends on who you have at the very last spot in your bench. If you drafted a defense, you don't plan on keeping. You could do it there and then make the decision later. But I'm not sure how much data you can collect between now and the start of week one that would cause you to like move off of Keenan Allen. But yeah, I don't think it's he is a reasonable end of bench player right now. Yeah. Good. I want to know what Wild Bill reviews though. I do. Oh, yeah. I don't know that too. That's my question. My quick thought. I agree with that. I would say if Alec Pierce is in active week one will probably rank Allen as a flex option. If Alec Pierce is ready to go, he's going to be dropable. Like I don't think Allen's going to have a path to fantasy relevance. He played a lot last year and a pretty decent target share in Chicago and what are LL and LL last year's Chicago year before and he was unusable in fantasy. I mean, he was putting single digits up every week with the 20 some percent target share. I mean, I don't know if he is much left in the tank. And I don't think he's going to see a 20 plus percent target share if Alec Pierce is healthy, along with Josh Downs Tyler Warren, Jonathan Taylor, it's just not going to happen. Let's move on. Next question that we have from our chat. This one comes from a liminal man. We love this one right here. Hey, got to have a Broncos receiver. Who's the better choice considering ADP Mike? I believe you talk. Feels like an easy answer. Corlan Sutton yesterday, right? That's a part of your perfect draft. Yeah. Look, I love Jalen Waddle the player, but he's going in the fourth round. Corlan Sutton's going in the seventh round, too. Really? And I think they're going to be similar in terms of production. Waddle might see more targets, but Sutton is going to be featured in the goal line, which Waddle might not score a lot. you might just get double the touchdowns out of at a sudden. So that's three round differences pretty wide suns, suns, suns definitely the better target as far as I'm concerned. I still want the answer to his wild bill responded to what he reviews you know, a review fantasy. We'll get air up maybe in chat to make sure he'll do some sleuthing and then hopefully check back in with us towards that. That just seems like a great hobby. Like hey, I review. I don't know. Wild Bill reviews. I review Italian restaurants. Yeah. You you literally review football players for your job. That's true. Yeah. But I'm thinking like what would be my hobby? I'd like to review top 100 golf courses. That would be awesome. Oh, there's a guy who actually he's on social media. He that's his job. All right. That's his his thing. I was going to say job. He made it his job goes around the top 100 courses. He would get better golf like how much better at golf? Not much better at golf. I would maybe break 100. Oh, nice. I break 100. But not by a lot. Okay. All right. One more question. One more question from our chat. This one comes from Anthony and Win. This one says trade alert. I roster Josh Jacobs received a trade offer for Garrett Wilson slash Lloyd for my Zay flowers. Yep. Josh is my RB two. I accepted. I should accept. Right. There you go. Honestly, like well, so we have should accept more to come on on Zay flowers in a moment here. But basically the deal is, you know, you have the Packers Backfield essentially accounted for. And you get Zay flowers for Garrett Wilson. So it was the delta between Garrett Wilson and Zay flowers larger than the added value having both Packers running back. I have Garrett Wilson ranked ahead of Zay flowers. So obviously I'm taking that. Well, I think in this case, he would be giving away Garrett Wilson. It requires a flower. Zay flowers. I thought it said he was getting Wilson and Floyd and Wilson and he's getting Wilson in. Okay. My bet. Yes. Okay. So that's an auto. Yes. I screw that up. So basically, you would get Garrett Wilson and March on Lloyd exchange. Yeah. I think he's someone's trying to send him Lloyd because he has Jacobs. Right. Right. And but they want flowers and they don't trust Garrett Wilson because they're a great job. I'm in place for the jets. I don't want this guy on my squad. Let me have the wide receiver for the Baltimore Raven. Flowers is going a little before Wilson in drafts, but I have Wilson higher. I think his ceiling is much higher too, even though he hasn't shown it yet for obvious reasons. But yeah, I mean, I'm on the Wilson side. I'm okay with just the wide receiver swaps straight up, like as that is. And the fact that you get an insurance running back just in case something happens, what's the worst that would happen? By the way, Jacobs misses time. Do you think Wilson would even be ranked as a top 25 running back? Floyd or Lloyd. Yeah. That's the thing. I do want to point that out. I wouldn't go. I wouldn't necessarily trade like like I'm not going to take a worse starter just to get like a late round insurance running back, but this is not that situation. Right. It's just the insurance back isn't as isn't that important. Those are late round guys for a reason. They're not high priority. So if it was like, I don't know. He he was going to get Terrell McMillan and had to give up Drake London to do that. No, automatically. Right. Like it just depends on who the players are. But in this case, I like Wilson more. Okay. So like loves Wilson field. Who's your wide receiver break up? What can I just close the pin or close the circle on that last question one more time is those are the hardest when the question, or should I trade Garrett Wilson for Z flowers? Yeah. Those are the hardest kind of questions for us as analysts to answer because it's like, oh, my wide receiver 12 for my wide receiver 13. I mean, there's not that much conviction in those players, right? Especially for their and they same tier, which we talked about at the beginning of this season. But they also are some of my favorite kind of trades because what it is is it's two people that have that itchy trigger finger. And they're like, I just want to. It's great. I'm kind of shuffling the deck. Yeah. But Yolo, right? And fantasy football trades are like an instant energy shot. So I love those trades, even if they're hard to analyze. But the Marshawn Lloyd factor was enough for me to say, yes, worthwhile for the person that gets Garrett Wilson. So can you imagine trading away a guy that would break out at the wide receiver spot this year? That would be crazy. And yet, I was still considering to get no circumstances as Zay flowers is my wide receiver 16 and my potential breakout candidate. We've talked about Zay flowers, like not at all so far this preseason. Yeah. Say flowers got hot down the stretch last year. And that's what kind of has me intrigued on top of some other dynamics that I will discuss in just a moment. But Zay flowers for weeks 14 through 18 final five weeks of the season. Wide receiver seven and points per game. It's good. He was eighth and catches and fourth in yards. No surprise. One, two, three in yards. Can you guess? And chase. Yeah. Actually not to watch. Puka. I'll be on Jason. Okay. So, you know, three up for elite receivers. Zay flowers got hot. The Raiders Ravens paid him a ton of money this season. $35 million per year, which is crazy because it sounds like a ton of money. It also makes them like, I don't know, the seventh highest paid wide receiver now in the NFL. I think it's a good player. The questions have not been whether Zay flowers have really talented or capable. It just is the offense going to feature him enough. Maybe I'm buying too much into the possibility of a new system. Basically the, I would say the newest system Lamar Jackson has played in during his career. It's Greg Roman to then Todd Munkin to now this Declan Doyle system. You're hopeful that Declan Doyle comes in and says that guy number four is how everything in the passing game works. There's no more Zay likely. Yes. Copy lanes building some buzz so far. This preseason, but clearly the best wide receiver on this Ravens roster is Zay flowers. I'm trying to build the case on, you know, again, when there is a chance for a breakout here for a breakout. I think he's a solid wide receiver too. I think last year, I was not a convincing case by me. I would say this. I would not be surprised if last year was his ceiling season. Like I wonder if he settles in a little bit. Yeah. Well, he was seven total at 12th and on a point bringing basis. One of the problems with him is his role, which is kind of a short area, you know, produces with the ball in his hands sort of player, but he doesn't get much work near the goal line and part of the offense. Exactly. His career is seven end zone targets and six touchdowns. I don't know if he's going to really maybe maybe as an outlier season and he exceeds his total. He's a little lucky in that department. It's possible. But there was just so much reliance on him last year. And obviously now you have a healthier shot. Baton is going to ton of touchdowns two years ago. Yeah. Jacobi Lane. There's hype there. We'll see what they get at a market injuries. Derek Henry is obviously going to be very busy. So I wonder if last year with the numbers he put up in almost a 30% target share, if he kind of maxes out there and now settles back in, because remember, he never finished better than 31st and fantasy points we're getting before last year. That was the first time and he spiked all the way up to 12. So that's my only hesitation. But he's just a fine wide receiver too. I think I'm just fine with him with a chance for him to scrape a little bit higher. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. And I would say that. Do you think one of the, oh, sorry. Do you think there's any smoke with the Jacobi Lane thing? Or is it just like how are we? We've never been able to support two wide receivers? Not fantasy. We used to have a light round bucket of flyers. Yeah. A literal light round bucket of flyers. I would throw him into that bucket. I agree. I've been saying his name. That's why I'm here. Yeah. That's a good thing. He said he had, has been one of the most impressive rookies he's ever seen for the Ravens. I think it was rookie receivers. He's been covering the team for 27 years, which I think is almost the entirety of the franchise. I'll tell you what, the reason the reason to get excited about him would be is if they do trade or shot Baton before the start of the season, which I think is a long shot. It sounded like they were for maybe Houston called before they traded for Casey on booty. Obviously that it didn't work out with Bateman, but if they do make a surprising move and he goes then Lane becomes on it. That tells me because of the situation there that they're like, okay, this guy is legit. We have to get him on the field. We don't need Bateman now. That would be the sign, but I don't think that's going to happen. Last thing I'll say is the season long numbers for Zay flowers are like, why? It was wide receiver seven and total points. I didn't need kind of by definition breakout last year. Member subjective is an important word for our defining breakouts. And I think it's, can he be utilized and tapped into more consistently? Tristan H. Cockroft. Yep. The great Tristan H. Cockroft writes a piece about the most consistent players in fantasy football is constantly tabulating who has given you what you need weekend and week out. And my hope for Zay flowers would be that it's not that he he can even be wide receiver 11 this upcoming season, but just have a much steadier target for weekend and week out. And I would feel better about him compared to where I was last year where he kind of spiked and dipped and spiked and dipped. He had a gnarly streak from weeks two to 13 last year where you're like, wow, zero or I think I'm going to zero finishes inside the top 20. That's not great. I am with you on that. Unfortunately, let's move on and talk about the next one, Mike Clay, Parker Washington, a high round draft pick. And by high round, I mean, he was drafted in the sixth round. 185th overall a couple of years ago, baller. Yeah, I actually follow the assignment. I picked a player who we are. Are you are ranked higher than where they finished last year? Unlike Zay flowers. I'm going, yeah, I'm going Parker Washington. I'm a I don't like how expensive he's getting right now. That one bothers me, but I do still think he could pay it off and we'll pay it off six rounder a few years ago. Sometimes those I've written about this many times, I do every off season, I update this because I think it's so important. But if you look at the rookie receivers who perform and and receivers that break out in their first couple of years in the league, they're almost all first, second and third round picks, almost all of them. It's so rare to find like a Juan Jennings. It doesn't happen very often. Tyree kill being another example. So it kind of makes sense at Parker Washington being a six round pick. It's taken a while because it seems just don't trust these guys yet. They'll get a cup of tea here or there as a starter. But then that's another baseball term. We're just we're bringing them all out. A cup of tea. He got a cup of tea in the majors right then go. Oh, cup of coffee, whatever. Yeah. We're just bringing them all out. It's a that originated in baseball. I think I just remember it as like a baseball term. Yeah. I feel like it was always like I got a cup of tea 15 days in the majors and then back to them. Anyway, he's gotten some opportunity. What? It's not. I'm just trying to look it up on Google and it's just telling me about tea. It's just a cup of tea. Yeah, it's literally a tea. I drink a lot of tea these days. But anyway, the where I'm going with this is when they've given him those opportunities, he has performed a 21 games since the start of 2024 in which he had a route participation of at least 50%. So when they're throwing the ball, he's on the field more than half the time. In those games, he has a 20% target share and 12.2 fantasy points per game, which would have put him right in the wide receiver to mix last season. That includes the finished the last season where he was red hot four straight games with the least nine targets and 19 fantasy points. I know there are a lot of mouse to feed in this often, including specifically at wide receiver. But there is nothing about this off season that suggests he's not their number one receiver. Everything indicates he is number one, not leaving the field. They'll pull Brian Thomas off the field. Washington is the guy and if that doesn't happen, I'm going to be really surprised. It's just there's no there's not like one report that's like and it's not like he's probably just going to wrote. It's like he is the guy. Trevor learns this guy he established that late last year, the cat's out of the bag now. He's the guy. So again, he's in a little pricey, but I believe in the talent. He's going to get real pricey for the Jaguar soon as you might have an extension by the time the season begins. Did I bring this up on the show yesterday? I'm not sure. I think the the alternate uniforms announced. Oh, yes. Okay. I did. Yes. Parker Washington front and center. Yeah. I am flammings. I think he's an awesome player. He's an awesome dude as well. Like the exact kind of player you want to reward. I can't decide if there's like a top 20 wide receiver hiding in plain sight with basically everything that might just said, or if this is going to be the chargers of last year, where Parker Washington is a great player to come to my ears. So really darn good player. Brian Thomas is sort of Quentin Johnson. He really talented, but inconsistent, and it's like, well, through four weeks, each of them, maybe you throw Travis Hunter in there as well, has that one week where they've seen seven plus targets and I just I can't figure it out. All of the signs are telling us, as Mike said, every sign points to him needing to be a top 30 wide receiver. Yep. Yeah. And also would we be shocked to Brian Thomas finishes a wide receiver nine, like it just bounce. I mean, we see a wide receiver four two years ago. It's so it's so wild. But yeah, I mean, he could be Quentin Johnson too. It's just it's such a hard one to figure out. But it's entire off the whole off season suggests that it's Washington, not Thomas. I'm having a hard time deciding myself, but yeah, hear you. This is my layup guys at the wide receiver spot for the breakout. I decided this is where I was going to do it. Lad McHonkey. Laddie kind of already broke out once as a rookie, but last year, if you remember, finished as wide receiver 36, he was who was the last chance he was a lad, let McHonkey was bad McDonkey. Bad McDonkey last year. Right. Finish as wide receiver 13 and total points as a rookie. So that delta between those two things, obviously, we don't want those chargers to be around. Last year, I think the things are going to be very different here this season. New Mike McDaniel offense, being able to come in and be the number one, Quentin Johnston, even though you talked about it, we'll have some big games. That's a part of what he does. Consistency though, as feel just said, is not one of the terms that we use to define his game. Lad McHonkey is going to be that guy. I think you told us he got four, three wheels. He does. I mean, you may not realize it very fast had ran the most number because he's white. I think so. Okay. That's a lot of snaps. Last year out of any wide receiver, the dude is going to smash, especially because you have that scar tissue from last year. We already saw him break out as a rookie, but the idea that he fell all the way back to wide receiver, 30 total points, wide receiver, 36 and points per game. This needs to stop. We are not allowed to show tweets that capitalize every word in the sentence. I am drawing a line. It's a boundary that I have in life. So here's my question on that. How do you do that? Do you have like a setting on your phone that like every time you type a space, it goes back to a capital letter? I don't know. Because if not, doesn't that feel like so inefficient or there is one word that wasn't capitalized? It. Yeah. I don't know. Is this like an AI account? Is this a one of them collaborate? There's no idea. Is that a person? Or I don't know. Whatever. I don't know how you produce this. I probably shouldn't have really regulated it. I just mean like to do something like that. I don't know. No, I'm kidding. Um, get a good call here. Thought about that. Yeah. If I, what? If I miss it. Me saying there's no, there's no AI on the internet, right? Of course. Yeah. Of course. Of course. I just don't know. I don't, I'm not, I'm not technical enough to know how to create something like that automatically. But anyway, a tweet. Yeah. No, I don't know how to do that. I've only done that. I've been playing a long game. He's trying to be like Kim, like, Kim Newton created like a legitimate keyboard. Oh, yeah. People can type out like Kim's letters, which I think is cool. But anyway, uh, bad McDonkey last year, if, if you knew going into the season that he was going to, he ran way more routes last year than he did the year before. His target numbers were very similar to his rookie season. He actually was seventh among receivers and end zone targets last year. If you know all those things going into the season, you had ranked him even higher than me, Adam. But the efficiency plummeted last year, plummeted yards per target, catch rate, all that. So that's, uh, that's going to be Mike McDonnell's job here to figure out how to get that efficiency up because the usage is there. If that, if that works out, that's great. It's the efficiency that was problematic last year. So we will see if they fix things. All right. We're going to move to tight ends here. And my last one is kind of talent play. Yes. Titan 19 for me. Chico Conco got four years and 40 million bucks, Liz is a big Chico Conco is serious. Yeah. Yeah. So go check out facts versus feelings. Of course, and shout out to Liz. We're hanging with us again over the past handful of shows, uh, chick comes from a bad situation in Tennessee. They weren't scoring a lot of points. They weren't featuring him all that often. Washington is going to lead with Terry McLaren. I think it's to find a real and big role, but chick should play a role for sure. They had a lot of injuries amongst other tight ends in Washington and keep in mind that two years ago. So for banking on this offense, being closer to what it was during Jaded Daniel's rookie season, they were top five in points per game that year, top five in EPA. They were top five in red zone drive. So they got the ball down there often. You get down to the red zone. You've got more opportunities for touchdowns. You go, Conqo, I think has a chance to look like a much different player guy who also returns to the DMV likes to find digs to Maryland grads. Mm hmm. Yeah. Definitely counts for something very valuable in fantasy. Yeah. Obviously these accords has done some damage when he's been healthy in this offense. For some reason, I have like a lot of, I'm looking at my right up on old Conqo. I've like a lot of what could best be described as like fun facts about him over the last couple of years. Yeah. Uh, one of four tight ends who have appeared in every game since he entered the league over. So every one of the last. We like that. One of six tight ends that have 50 plus catches each of the past three seasons. That's a very interesting nugget for sure. Um, and the other one is he has finished exactly 21st and fantasy points of tight end three years in our own. Wow. Not as exciting for my purposes. No, some of these aren't great. I mean, he also, but you know, part of his problem has been though he's, you know, 16% target share. Not, he probably needs to be a little higher to get into the tight end one conversation. But a big problem has been that offense. He's eight touchdowns and 11 end zone targets in his career. They just don't get to the goal line. They don't use them much. They're touchdowns in four seasons, 11 and total end zone targets. It's very poor. Yeah. Sweet. You're banking on right? It's like, uh, it's, remember we were talking about Breeze Hall, maybe being traded to the chiefs at the deadline. Imagine Breeze Hall. If you played in a real offense, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of what you were, uh, could be it. Yep. I know, Mike's. I do. I do. Yeah. I do. Yeah. But I think it's a good one because Mike. You talk about a decent amount. Yeah. But it's been mostly recently. Yep. Yeah. I think it's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. post to Vantana's Vantana, there's room for a third guy. They don't have a third receiver like that he really should be. If he's not third in line for targets here, what woman wrong? Like he's a Colby Parkinson, like what went wrong? He should be third in line of Rams, by the way, it's like, oh, look at us. We're the Rams. We trade for Miles Garrett. And we have Pukinakua, Matthew Stafford and DeVantay Adams in offense. We sign Tremac Duffy or we trade for him. And we also sign Jalen Watson. So we can just punt on our first and second round picks this year. Those guys might not even play a snap all season. Crazy Ty Simpson, Max Claire, enjoy L.A. weather at least. Yeah, it's crazy. So I know when it's super bowl, but we're not using our first two round picks on guys that will help us. Yeah, that was somewhat surprising. But regardless there, I mean, they're the best team in the league on both sides of the ball. So you can't criticize. Well, like till the games are played. We'll see. Yeah. I have three percent of 15 just for the record because of the fact that we talk about the touchdown regression for DeVantay Adams, I wouldn't be shocked if with that touchdown regression and the idea that everything that Mike has talked about, he's helped me get it way more into Taylor's Ferguson, I've divin, dived into the numbers, divin in dove in. Doven. Yeah, I dived. Yeah, dove into the into the numbers. I have face planted into the numbers. Yeah. And it makes me feel like what I be shocked if this guy becomes one of the touchdown makers for Matthew Stafford. If we do see that touchdown regression from a 33 year old DeVantay Adams, you only also tattoo bros. He's got a lot of. Yes. My only hesitation on going higher on him is just that you've got him at 19 Tyler Higby is going to catch, he's going to be annoying and catch touchdowns and call the party. They're going to, all these guys, you're going to be fury. If he starts for you, you're going to be furious when Davis Allen scores catches a pass or scores the touchdown. It's just, it's just the nature of this offense. It's my only hesitation on going higher, but at the end of the day, I still, I still like him. I think he's a good chance of a breakout. Last one for you, Daniel. And by the way, we have football. Two weeks. Yes, we do have football in a couple weeks. My math, correct? Yeah. Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah, that's right. I think that we have seen do some things before when given an opportunity, although not always, but Isaiah likely moving on from the Baltimore Ravens into a Giants offense. The Giants is just a team that we have primed to potentially take a step for us in fantasy football. If Jackson dark and stay healthy with John Harbock coming over, if you've talked about it last night, he knows how to be able to find ways to help a dual threat quarterback succeed in his offense. Being able to have neighbors back, being able to have Cam Skataboo so that that running game can be all the things you needed to be. And Isaiah likely has been a field stretcher, has been a great receiving option at the tight end spot. The problem is he came from an offense where that just wasn't a necessity for them weekend and week out. We didn't see consistency from him because we didn't really see consistency in that Ravens passing game across the board anyways. We don't talk about that with anyone. So a little bit of this is the faith of like I've seen what this kid can do when given the chance. Now, do you believe that he's going to be fully unlocked and the tight end one of this offense? Or are you worried that maybe someone else, another tight end that was there that we liked from last year is going to eat in enough to his share that he can't break out. And I want to think that with him bringing him over, Isaiah likely at least has a shot with some of the skills that we have seen in the past to break out in this offense this year. This is a little bit unfair to Isaiah likely who's also from Massachusetts. So she had out of fellow Massachusetts. You know what went to school? I went to coastal Carolina, or as he did field. He played for ever high school. Mikey Sanrestil, commander, second round pick. Both guys love that. Everett area. This is kind of unfair because I think a lot of tight ends really need touchdowns to pay off. But Isaiah likely has a real chance of being part time is like to underwhelming, but far from every down player. He is if they're throwing the foot, if they're running the football or trying to create the illusion of running the football before they pass the football, he ain't going to be on field. Yeah. Theo Johnson. That's the problem. I've been following reports throughout training camp and it's like when they're, you know, he's, I'm trying to think of the perfect analogy of who Isaiah likely, who else has like served in this role where it's like when they're passing the ball, this tight ends on the field. And otherwise he's not. And maybe like just as Dawson Knox is there, when I say my best compliments, my best comp was when Isaiah likely played for the Ravens previously. Yeah. I mean, it's fair. I mean, I was thinking the same thing. Like Theo, if you're, if you draft Isaiah likely and he doesn't work out for you, even as like a good wide or a tight end to this year, it might be because like you have Theo Johnson in the Mark Andrews role and he's stealing touchdowns or something like that. I mean, be where you get burned. So yeah, that's why I'm not quite as high. There's a lot of tight ends in this year, though, going from Ferguson all the way up to, you know, even the Andrews and we've, I teach a Hawkinson's like free now. I mean, that's a guy that we used to be like, I'm worried he'd have one. I think that maybe. Yeah. I'm not saying there's so many guys in that tier. Yeah. So I would say my takeaway from all of these picks, we made 12, 16 in total. And a couple of exclusions, like, you know, Jackson, dark, Jeremiah, love, we're all going to be like, we're good there. It's hard to pick breakouts because you're kind of acknowledging the war when you're making these picks. You have to, right? It's like, because I feel like I don't know, two thirds of the picks that any of us offered up, at least one of us was like, yeah, but and it's like, yeah, well, if there was no hesitation, they'd be ranked higher, you know, they would be a breakout candidate. They would have, like, that we'd have them as a top. I don't know. We'd rank them as, I don't know. What do you have, Jeremiah, love? We'd rank them wherever we have Jeremiah love. Part of the game we play is that you can't just draft every player at your ceiling or you're going to lose. You're never going to get over the top. So you have to pick some guys who are more volatile, but the ceiling's high. I thought that I thought maybe Adam Schefter pulled that last night when did you have to park her Washington 50th overall? Yeah. That was a, that was a faith play in next question. Washington. Yeah. He is a really good player. He may pay off, but we are, it's all about value based drafting, name of the game. We're going to do some bonus picks here real quick. Oh, okay. Yes. That's right. One player break out. We don't know these ones. I want to make sure. Let me show you. You'll know mine. Oh, okay. Well, then let's go with you. Yes, yes, yes. I got mine. Okay. You got yours. Do you want to go first? He has back-to-back seasons with 90 catches. One day, Robinson's going to begin. Oh, yeah. He was just about to say it. I was hoping you'll let it on a little further. Yeah. One day, let's your guy. Yeah. You talked about this last night. Yeah. I still think, and I got to get higher on the rankings, maybe then with this analysis. But I just think this guy's going to absolutely, if he's going to be a PPR beast and what he showed last year is he's not just a PPR guy, right? Like, he, I should not say that. What he showed last year is that he is not just three yards in a cloud of dust or like an A dot of 1.7 yards. Like, he had some field stretching moments last year. Remember the game, Russell Wilson, torched the Cowboys for like 485 yards, week two last year. One day, I was menacing down the field. So this guy's just a really, really good football player. Okay. But over under two and a half touchdowns in this offense. Oh, you think so. Over. Yeah. I got a lot of goal line working. I'm a little lower on you guys because yes, he's going to catch a lot of passes in the, in the short range. But I mean, carnal take is still there and Gunner Helms is going to get some run and also like Calvin Ridley is still there right now. I mean, he's still, I know he's 32, but Calvin Ridley is still like, it was a while ago. He's there. 13 million dollars. No. But I understand that. But let's just can please tell me if I'm wrong. But when you see a guy that's making $13 million playing week one of the preseason, you're not like that guy is on track to make the roster. They had so much cap space that it wasn't like really that big. They renegotiated this deal and it wasn't like all right. We got to get him down. We got to spend it somewhere. Three million dollars. They had a role there. Yes. Yes. He's playing every week. Mine is Kim Scataboo. Again, no shock here. I've talked about him. His numbers in those six games last year where he was the feature back where tremendous. He scored six touchdowns. 16 carries a game. I hear under five targets per game, which don't, don't overlook that. That is a big number for Scataboo and over 96 yards per game. So the volume is there. The efficiency was there. The production is there. You have a better offensive line. You have a better head coach in John Harbaugh. You have Jackson Dart for the whole season. The passing game is going to be better. Everything sets up well. Two of the three guys that he's competing with, he beat out last year very clearly in Tracy and Singletary. And I'm sorry. Naji Harris. Yes. He may be the number two and have a role and get some touches. It's typical for more than one running back to play. I'm not worried about that. But again, Naji was in a role last year where I was like, oh, is he going to start over Omerian Hampton? And he was a non-threat to him. Hampton was clearly better than him right away. I feel very similar here about this situation. The last two players in the FBS to have at least 1,500 rushing yards and 500 receiving yards in a single season were who? Kim Scataboo and I don't know. Mike Washington, Jr. No. A very famous player. Christian McCaffrey. Oh, okay. How's that for that? That's an opposite of where I thought that. I was thinking like an Austin Eccler or something. I can't remember where. He went to school. He went to school. I think it was. Check the exact, it's like Colorado, way below or something, right? No, it's something. It's something state. It's in Colorado. Colorado University. There you go. Western Colorado University. Shout out Austin Eccler. I think he's in the content creation game. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We love that. Hey, guys, have a my breakout. Again, I'm the one that knows what the people are looking for here. After Mike gave you a guy in the 20s as a potential breakout field, you got a wide receiver in the 30s. That's okay. Well, for us in the 30s, Mike's way down there. You do a kicker. Better be a kicker. I'm talking about my guy who I love in Jalen McMillan. I was going to get a break out the idea of what he can be as a rookie. I like this. If you remember, at the end of the season, his rookie year weeks 14 through 18, the dude was unbelievable, saw over 19 fantasy points per game. Unfortunately had an injury plagued second year. But even in a sophomore season down the stretch week 17, we saw him come on seven catches for 114 yards on nine targets in championship week. No one was starting him. A part of it is the idea that we've seen this happen before. I'm worried that Chris Godwin just won't be the Chris Godwin that we used to see. We saw Mecha Buka fall off the cliff a little bit. And I do like Baker Mayfield as a quarterback. So even if Buka is going to be the wide receiver one, and I think he's going to get a ton of targets in this offense, I think there's a shot that by the time we hit halfway through the season, Jalen McMillan could be pushing to potentially be the wide receiver two of this squad. If Chris Godwin doesn't look like the Chris Godwin of old. there. I think that's the key here. Also if a book is not healthy to open the season to still need my profile. I wrote on the site and I've been ranked considerably lower than you. But what I wrote was McMillan is a fascinating late round sleeper. I mean, I say again, that's what we're looking for in these late rounds as a guy who it's hard to project really high because there's so many mouse to feed. But he's like one thing away from being a weekly starter. Yeah. And that's a different. I get asked all the time. It's a difference between rankings and projections. It's exactly this. You know, if one thing happens suddenly, they fly up the rankings and actually, if it's for Terence Ferguson, too, if the amount of Adams goes down or Nuku is suspended for games, they're going way up the right. I mean, Ferguson will rank top 12 week one if Nuku is suspended. I mean, that's just, that's the kind of guy you want to look at late. So I agree. I finally got a little compliment. Let's go. It shows over. I'm actually literally over. Let's shut it down now. We're coming back tomorrow. You know, we're talking about tomorrow. I don't know. We've been sleepers. We should have done that differently. This should have been the sleepers episode today coming off of the marathon guy 32. And we're going deep sleepers tomorrow. You're bringing a sleeper for every single tomorrow tomorrow. Yes. And all right. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm out of that. A sleeper from every single team. That's going to do it for us. I feel like I'm going to go take a nap. We love you guys. We love each other. Be kind to yourself. Come back. Hang out with us tomorrow and go check out facts versus feelings out today. We'll see you guys later. [Music]