Dr. Peter McCullough on Vaccines and the Crisis of Medical Trust

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We have a tidal wave of a transgender crisis, 1.8% of American children are now transgender. Who are those kids? They're kids with autism. Do any of the vaccines work? Every medical product, including vaccines, has a consequence. There's no free lunch. How do you think we, as parents, should approach these vaccinations? Dr. McCulloch, thanks for coming in. You are both loved and hated, but those who do good are going to be loved and hated, probably in the same amount. I am really glad to have you at this very confusing time, which I call the medical twilight zone. Well, maybe before we get started, for those who have been living under a rock and don't know who you are and haven't read your books, can you just give us a little background on what you've done for us? Well, thanks so much for having me on the program. I'm in practice as an internist and a cardiologist, I'm a research epidemiologist. For the last six years now, I've been very focused on this new time in medicine, this pandemic that we've had with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, the fallout of essentially the entire world getting infected with a novel virus that emanated out of a biosecurity lab at Wuhan, China, and then following after that two-thirds of the world being vaccinated with a whole array of vaccines. And then some contemporary shifts in epidemiology that we've seen that are extraordinary, including that I think is a bona fide epidemic of autism and allergic diseases, as well as just out of nowhere, a crisis, what I call the transgender crisis. So all that is wound up in a time now of great medical controversy. How did you get to the point where you started questioning the vaccines? Did you never take any vaccines? Did you never recommend them for any of your patients? Because for me, up until a few years ago, I was afraid to even think of myself as somebody who would be remotely close to being an anti-vaxxer on any level. I never questioned them. I counted up, I finally got my vaccine card from my mom, and I counted up, I've taken 69 vaccines. That's actually a lot of doses of vaccines. So I never questioned them. And what I outlined in my book, the new book, Vaccines, Mythology, Ideology, and Reality, or some personal parts in here, what really woke me up was the COVID-19 vaccine campaign. When I saw what happened here, myself and my co-author, John Lake asked the question, is there any historical precedent for this? Is there anything remotely identifiable in history to have us relate to the madness that set in the other things that started to get my attention was autism or no psychiatric disorders? And they're in a grouping. So it's attention deficit disorder, autism spectrum disorder, ticks and seizures. And when I became aware, and I'm not a pediatrician, but I became aware of how what the increase, year on year increase of individuals with these conditions, and I started to see them in my medical practice, which I had never seen before. I grew up in the '60s. I didn't know a single child with autism. I went to medical school in the 1980s. There was two conditions that were linked together in the textbook called Autism and Mutism. We never had a lecture on it. In the last 20 years of going to medicine grand runs, we've never had mention of autism or any lecture or to bring this to our attention. We have a primary care and specialty continuing medical education. One of them is called Primate. I recently looked in Primate, which all the doctors go to to get their CME credits. I said, well, how many lectures have they have in an autism? Zero. Hmm. So experts, doctors included, they will say to me that there are actually not necessarily that many more kids with aspergers or autism today as there have been in the past, but kids are overdiagnosed because they need the special privileges from school. And now we're overdiagnosing many kids and saying that they have autism. But in fact, there isn't a huge spike in children with aspergers and autism. What's your answer to that? That stance would say that we've always had neurodiversity. We may have heard that term neurodiversity, kind of a normalization, that there are some people who are just a bit off. The first observation is that attention deficit, hyperactivity disorder, that's markedly on the rise, autism spectrum disorder, markedly on the rise, ticks, which are unmistakable motor problems with the face on the rise and epilepsy on the rise. Okay. So it's not just being a bit quirky. The second part of this is that autism, 27% of children with autism have profound autism. And that is a markedly decreased IQ, typically below 50, unable to communicate. So nonverbal, repetitive, injurious head banging or other behaviors, and unable to use the toilet to navigate the bathroom at all. Through age 9, and it's probably going to be lifelong, that's 27%. So even if we focused on profound autism, it's skyrocketing. Let's take California as an example. California, according to the CDC in 2022, has over 5% of children with autism. That means 27% of 5%, that means over 1% of children are incredibly disabled due to this condition. I can tell you that wasn't the case 20 or 30 years ago. The final argument that it's not just increased detection is we don't have a tsunami of adults being recognized with this condition now. It's only in children. The typical child with this condition is diagnosed before age 4. So it is an epidemic of children before age 4, not after age 4. So let me narrate to you my typical experience with experts when it comes to the questions of autism and vaccines. So I will go to the expert, possibly a doctor, and I'll say, "Well, doctor, do you know what has caused autism?" And the expert will say to me, "Not vaccines. It's not vaccines." Okay, well, again, if you're telling me that it's not vaccines, then can you tell me what it is that causes autism? What we don't know? Well, then my question is, well, then how do you rule out vaccines if you don't know what autism is caused by? And the general answer to me is that there's lots of research on vaccines and the research on vaccines prove that it cannot possibly cause autism. And so I ask you the same question, doctor, is there research that could prove that vaccines could lead to autism? Now, I'm a pedestrian, I'm not a scientist. So maybe you can explain to people like me, how is there a connection between vaccines and the possibility that it could lead to gender dysphoria, autism, aspergers, et cetera? About 20 vaccines in their package insert, in their FDA-recognized, important safety information, say the vaccines can cause encephalitis, inflammation of the brain, encephalitis is inflammation of the brain. I can tell you as a doctor, the characteristic appearance of an autistic child or a child with ADHD or seizures is a post-encephalitic syndrome. There are over 100 peer-reviewed studies that point to a conclusion that, in fact, vaccines in a subclinical or clinically recognized encephalitis is, in fact, a risk factor for autism. So let's review the other risk factors. The other risk factors are older parents, a woman over 35, man over 40, premature delivery, having a baby before 37 weeks. Some common genetic variants which aren't changed. over time. There are some genetic predisposing factors. And then vaccines given in combination, which really took off after 1986, after in the United States legislation was passed. So the vaccine manufacturers aren't held liable. Those are the risk factors for autism. Now, the studies that have examined some vaccines. So, for instance, there's a Danish cohort study that Madsen and hid Kevin, the first author is doing the journal medicine and other major journals, used a Danish cohort study. And they looked just at the MMR vaccine and declared no association with autism. Well, immediately, Danish physicians wrote in the Danish medical journal, saying, listen, this study isn't valid because the quote, "unvaccinated group" in Denmark, which they were named on journal medicine paper by Madsen said 15% of the kids did not take the MMR vaccine. They go, "That's not legit." They were vaccinated. It just never got recorded in the Danish register. So these studies that claim there's no association are comparing vaccinated to vaccinated groups. And of course, they don't find a differential. So a recent paper to cite on this, I think, is significant, is by Madsen and colleagues. Florida Medicaid system. It was published in the journal Science Public Health Policy and the law this year. Remember, anybody worth their salt who's going to come interview needs to be able to quote these papers first author in year and may examine 49,000 children in the Medicaid system. They had about 10% that had no Medicaid visits for vaccines. Doesn't mean they didn't get a vaccine somewhere, but they decided to register Medicaid visits for that. And the others registered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, up to 10 visits for vaccines. The children who were unvaccinated according to this codification, there was a rate of autism that came up in the ICD coding at 1.1%, and those who were vaccinated 2.9%, and those who took more and more vaccines higher and higher risk. The overall risk was over fourfold increased risk for the development of autism and other neuropsychiatric disorders. But let me tell you a shortcoming of this entire research. Not a single paper like Mossin, or the Danish cohort study. Not a single paper. Did they assign a research team? Call the parents, verify the vaccine records, and then call in the children and examine them with an unbiased examiner to determine whether or not they had autism. Not a single paper. So here we've been sitting on this problem now for decades. We have our CDC. Our CDC has 12,000 employees. They have a budget over $9 billion. What is our CDC doing to investigate autism? They have an autism spectrum network. They have 16 centers. They do reports every so many years. They carefully categorize the children with autism and profound autism. They have over 25,000 children as of 2016. No inquiry into the ideology of autism, none, and no concern. In their most recent report, which was stunning, 3.2% of the overall population of children with autism, over 5% in California, their only conclusion is we should get ready for more special needs services. Well, they do admit that autism is on the rise. What is your answer to why there are kids who have not been vaccinated that have autism? I personally know several families that have children with autism and they were anti-vaxxers for years. You know, as I alluded to, it appears to me to be a post-incephaletic state. Remember, a brain inflammation can occur from coxacu viruses and a whole variety of other viruses. So it actually may have been after an infection that could have triggered it. The first case of autism that I've been able to find in the literature predated vaccines. I think it was the end of the 16th century in the UK. But there's too much evidence now pointing to this. And you know, it came in our book, Vaccines, Mythology, and Ideology. We bring this up right to the US Court of Claims 2008, 2008. And there are 5,000 parents with kids of autistic kids. Brought their cases forward and said the vaccines were template related to my child developing. Not just when the child was fine, until they got a big battery of vaccines, they got sick. They developed a high fever, some had seizures. Within a few days or a few weeks or months, they developed autism. 5,000 families. By the way, are physicians required to report vaccine injuries? Yes. They are. So there is supposed to be data that is immediate after a vaccine applied to a child. Correct. Now, in this Court of Claims, Jonathan Behoeling, very important figure, is a neurologist at Johns Hopkins. His daughter is Hannah. She's 19 months. She was behind on her vaccines. She's perfectly normal. He's a neurologist. He knows she takes a big battery of vaccines. At 19 months, gets very sick, develops a rash, which can be, you know, subclinical measles. The vaccine is a live attenuated vaccine, develops all kinds of features of encephalitis, gets very sick. And then with a few weeks or months, develops autism without a doubt. And he goes on a search and finds some abnormalities and some muscle enzymes, no genetic defects were found. And Pauline's case was rock solid. He write, he publishes a case report. The combination of the vaccine she received for sure caused Hannah's autism, for sure. In this case, is published in the period of your literature. And the federal court of claims agrees. They agree the vaccines caused her autism. So what happens? They pull him out of the omnibus proceedings. The government does a settlement with him. Says, listen, we're going to give you a settlement. And we're pulling you out as a test case. So you're, so you're taking care of, and then they dismiss the other 5,000 cases. And what happened to this John Hopkins doctor? He lives John's Hopkins. He never mentions this again. He's in practice in Athens, Georgia. Wow. You know, you mentioned the, the MMR vaccine, which many families have to give to their children. And some families have decided to try to spread them out, thinking that if they spread out the measles, the moms, and some families are actually adding a fourth one, the V, right? Versaella. Versaella, right? And so it's either MMRV, which is four shots in one shot, or some families are spreading them out. Do you think there's any difference between spreading them out or combining them, or ultimately do you think none of them should be administered? Well, big difference to spreading them out. And Japan agrees. You know, in Japan, they don't even allow the MMR combination in Japan. They're just because of the risk of acute side effects. Because you're giving your child so many three live attenduated vaccines are adding a fourth one. I mean, it's just, it's just plain with fire. The Japanese authorities have never allowed this. So as a general principle, vaccines are far safer if they're given individually. If they're given later in life beyond the window of critical immunologic and neurologic development, which is when typically, you know, certainly past age four. And they're far safer if cumulatively fewer are given. I mean, I'm a medical doctor. If I prescribed 16 drugs to you at once, I promised you you'd have a side effect, yet a child today in America around 12 to 15 months is going to get 16 products together. Now, when the MMR is given, by the way, at both first two administrations is typically given with five other vaccines. So you can never completely figure out which one is which. But if a mother today said, listen, I just want the individual measles vaccine. You can't get an individual measles vaccine. We only have the Merck MMR available here. And recently, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices that just met in Washington that one of the things they did decide on is to push the MMRV, Vericella, out to past four years of age. Why? Because too many kids were having seizures when it was given at a younger age. So again, going back to this risk of encephalitis, brain inflammation, fever, and seizures. So what's your answer to the experts who say that if you're concerned about putting too much junk aluminum into your child's body, it is better that you get the MMR all at once because the MMR is suspended by one dosage of whatever it is that holds the vaccine as opposed to three of them. You're possibly eliminating the chances of your child taking in more aluminum or whatever heavy metals. Aluminum and Mercury have been studied exhaustively. Thankfully, Mercury or Thao Mayor saw us essentially out of the vaccines. There's only 4% of flu shots that have them left. And recently, the first ASIP meeting said, listen, get the Mercury out of vaccines. Trump just had a press conference where he essentially told the manufacturers, get the aluminum out of the vaccines. So aluminum is a neurotoxin. And I know this because as an adult medicine doctor, we actually used to give aluminum as a phosphate binder to the house as patients, and it caused an aluminum form of a dementia. So aluminum toxicity doesn't look like autism at all, by the way, it actually looks like a dementia. But the concern of aluminum being in vaccine products is first off, a parent would ask, does this really need to happen? And then be, even any vaccine, the amount of aluminum, like say the hepatitis B vaccine, given on the first day of life, far exceeds the rate I wish the body can get rid of it. So that's the concern there. I think it's a theoretical one, but what parent would want multiple doses of anything to have aluminum build up in the body? Well, I think that's why they're making the case for combining all these vaccines into one, because they're saying to us as parents, you can get less aluminum or less junk into your child's body if you just come in and get one shot with all four. Well, if the MMRV was safer, the children wouldn't be having seizures, and our federal panel wouldn't have to bump it out to six years. So combining them, combination vaccines, I think is really done, not for safety. It's done for convenience. And the idea that, well, it can be fewer needles, more can be given at one time. And the great concern here is that we are approaching a point where maybe it's too much. Maybe these vaccines, given in these great combinations, is simply too much for a little baby to tolerate. Well, you mentioned the term too much. And my question is, at what point do we realize that we're giving too many vaccines to children in general? I have the schedule from the CDC here, and I counted it just quickly. It looks like there are 72 vaccines by the time a child is 18 years old. And it seems like with every year that goes by their additional vaccines, is there a body of physicians that we can trust that can study through all the vaccines? And basically say, well, this one is really needed, but let's eliminate some of the old ones. Do we still need to vaccinate for polio, for example? Is it possible that there are some vaccinations that we don't need to give to every single child? Could the United States just bank up some of these vaccines and say, well, in the event that there is another epidemic for pandemic? And we need to administer it. And certainly we have enough of the technology and the ability for people to commute and receive vaccines in the event that we need it. But do we really need to go under the assumption that every new disease that is brought to America? Now, every single child that is born in America needs to be vaccinated for, or could some of them be removed? - Gray roots under the chat, uninvited? - Garnier's got you. Garnier color sensation re-touch covers up to 100% of grays in just 10 minutes. Find your perfect match at walmart.com, or to store near you. - Ooh, there's a lot of questions. - You have a lot of questions. - There's a lot of questions there. Well, first point is, ask two doctors the same question. You're not gonna get the same answer. No two doctors agree on anything. And that's fair. That's fair. Medicine is both an art and a science. It's an art and a science. I mean, the reason why doctors do what they do and go through all the vetting that we go through. And our licensure would have, you know, doctors are the most educated and the most heavily vetted professionals in society. Buy a mile. Buy a mile. From the time I graduated from high school, to the time I was fully trained. With all the research training, all the specialty training, then I was fully trained, was 17 years. That's essentially nearly a full military career. Most military guys are done at 20 years. I'm just getting started at 17 years. So no two doctors agree on anything. Our investigation in this, and I work with best selling author, John Lee. Can we look at this very carefully? 300 years of vaccines. Virtually every vaccine introduced for a disease. That disease was essentially going away or gone and mortality, you know, 99%, you know, reduced before the first dose of vaccine was ever given. So the first point is how we conquered these infectious diseases is with through sanitation, cleanliness, living conditions, you know, early on, we didn't even know they were infectious diseases. Knowing, no, no, even knew how smallpox was spread. - I germ theory. - Right. So it took so long to figure this out. And so, you know, vaccinating for illnesses of historical interest, one would have to ask the question, do we need to do this? Let's take diptheria, tetanus, vertusis. These are illnesses treated with antibiotics. Okay. Where they were essentially gone by the time the vaccines roll out. We could handle them right now. I've never tested for diptheria or vertusis in my adult career. I've never even gotten a test for this because of a child or an adult has some bronchitis. We use them antibiotics and we knock it out. It's just not a big deal. So it's something, so a 10 thing, I don't even test for. We have no idea if taking a vaccine early in life provides any protection later on. And a very interesting experiment occurred in Sweden in the 1990s when there was a shift between the cellular to a cellular vertusis vaccine. They had no vertusis vaccine in Sweden for 17 years. Guess what? No rebound of vertusis because vertusis and all these illnesses went away when people started, you know, living, much better living conditions, not living on top of each other, you know, just sanitation, hygiene. That's what made these illnesses get better. And we know this because illnesses for which there's no vaccines, they went away too, like erasipolis and scarlet fever, romantic fever. They're gone. They're gone. So vaccines have been given credit for most textbooks of public health will say vaccines are, you know, the single-grace advancement we've ever had in public health. It's not true. Sanitation, improved water, improved food, better nutrition, and most of the deaths that occurred with these illnesses of yesterday, you're occurred in people who were malnourished, sick at baseline, and don't forget we had no care. No child should ever die of diphtheria or vertusis or measles today. Ever because we have treatments for this, we have supportive care. - So what's your reaction to the measles outbreak that was of recent in Texas? - We don't hear too much about it now, do we? - No, we don't. It's funny how that was, you know, in the press and no, it's not. We have each year, gosh, 1,000 to 2,000 cases of measles per year. That's nothing compared to Europe. Europe has, you know, about 125,000 cases a year. 125,000. - Is that because Americans are vaccinated? - Well, measles, the measles vaccines drop case counts, that's true. Now worldwide, there's probably about 600,000 cases of measles per year. Now measles is a transient skin rash. It's very similar to another rash that kids have, that we have no treatment for, it's called peteris rosial. A lot of times you came to the difference. - Rosiala. - Okay, so it's a rash. So measles is a rash. So be it. In the European data last year, 125,000 cases, 36 reported deaths. None of them were adjudicated deaths due to measles. - Were there any measles-related deaths here in the United States of recent years? - I believe two or three. And importantly, they occurred, one of them occurred in the midnight population. And this was investigated by one of my colleagues, Pierre Cori, and I'm glad it was done. She didn't die of measles. She died of inadequate treatment. So the poor family goes to urgent care two, three times. She's getting sicker and sicker. She's got a secondary bacterial pneumonia. She needs antibiotics and she doesn't get them until it's too late. So no one should die of measles because we have a measles immunoglobulin for contacts. We have proven vitamin A protocols for measles. We have the use of secondary antibiotics and steroids which were great for measles, cephalitis and pneumonitis. And we have ICU care. So even if a child really did get sick, let's say a child with cystic fibrosis, no one should die of measles. And so in fact, what you saw is this headlines about a measles outbreak in Texas, then it just kind of died because everyone knows measles is a rash. And my colleague Ben Edwards, who I went to college with, he was the main doctor in West Texas looking after the men and nights. And guess what, Ben like me is taking like three or four measles vaccines. Guess what, Ben gets measles. - He's still got the measles. So the vaccine didn't work on him. - No, and the CDC is very disingenuous about this. In the current outbreak, if you go on the CDC website, they'll say 95% of those cases with measles are unvaccinated or vaccine status unknown. What do you mean unknown? It's the CDC. They have 12,000 employees, a $9 billion budget. They can call every single person and they can get their vaccine records and they should know the vaccine status of everyone. I think the CDC is not being honest with us because in this unknown is a lot of people who took the vaccines and they can't find their cards or can't substantiate their records or what happened. And so one of the men and night leaders issues a nurse, She gave me a call one day. And she said, "Dr. McCullough, we're out here and there's me." outbreak, the press is out here, Robert F. Kennedy is going to fly out, see us. And she told me, "Dr. McCullough, we are not taking the vaccines. We never take vaccines." So you have the men and knights, you have other, I have some patients who come see me, believe it or not, from Montana, they're Quakers. The Amish, who I'm very familiar with in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, because I did rural medicine up in Michigan, they never take vaccines. Are there less cases of autism and gender dysphoria and all these other issues that you were mentioning in the men and knights and Amish communities? They essentially don't exist. 13 studies now show completely unvaccinated children today who are born healthy, are healthy year if they don't take any vaccines whatsoever. None. So what's your answer to the claim that that's fine, if you don't vaccinate your child, your selfish, because the rest of the community is providing herd immunity because they have been vaccinated. And if we don't force more people to vaccinate, the chances that all of our children would be exposed to these diseases and polio will come back and measles will come back and you can't send everybody to the ER room because the emergency rooms will just completely collapse and not be able to take care of everybody. There's no evidence that any of these diseases of yesterday were today's sanitation and clundlingness. There's no evidence that any of these diseases are going to come back. None whatsoever. Last case of polio in the Western Hemisphere was in 1991 in Argentina. I mean, you know, we have water surveillance. And that is not because people have been vaccinated. And we all remember we've had a president who had polio. We have a situation now. We just have to look at things. The worst year of polio ever was where the before the polio vaccines rolled out. And I want to say there was about 24,000 cases of paralytic polio in the United States. We now have by some estimates. We conservatively estimate 275,000 children in this book. But there's estimates out there, even 600,000 American children have profound autism. They are far more disabled than polio. Autism is a bigger problem than polio. I have some polio survivors in my clinic. They're mentally fine. Polio is a very confusing illness because before there were modern diagnostics, it was it was over attributed tremendously and a big nursing Michigan study showed when they finally got the test to see who had polio who didn't of 1200 punitive cases of polio, only 25% really had polio, really had polio. Even Mitch McConnell, we investigated and who said he had polio as a child. And if you remember, Trump questioned whether or not Mitch McConnell had polio. So we went to all the records of where he grew up in Alabama. No outbreak of polio there. Nothing even close. So Mitch McConnell was the only one who possibly had polio. According to his claim, it's just impossible. It's impossible because it always occurs in summers, occurs in clusters. There's other things that can cause a paralysis. There can be a coxacu virus, there can be a embryo syndrome, there can be a transverse myelitis. These things occur. They're rare, but they can occur. But no, these illnesses are not going to come back. We're already below herd immunity levels. herd immunity is a theoretical construct. And in the published outbreaks of pertusses, of mumps, of measles, there are fully vaccinated people in those groups. Anyway, so the vaccines don't stop transmission. Some of them tell you right in the package, or the polio vaccine in the FDA package, or it says, listen, this does not stop transmission. Don't take this to protect your grandmother. It doesn't stop transmission. Remember with the COVID vaccines. I do remember. Our CDC director came out and said, "Full stop, the COVID vaccines don't stop transmission. Don't take this to protect your family members." So there's an illusion out there. And this is part of vaccine ideology. Vaccine ideology says, listen, we're fearful of infectious diseases. But through the brilliance of vaccinology and scientists and mankind, that man can improve upon God's creation. Man can make God's work even better. But because these vaccines aren't perfect, everyone must take them, everyone, every last man, woman, and child. And if someone is injured, or disabled, or sadly die due to a vaccine, they have to accept it for the greater good of humanity. What's crazy? It's only vaccines that they're mandating everybody to take. They're not mandating vitamin A. They're not mandating vitamin D. It's vaccines. Only vaccines are the golden calf. Why vaccine? Why vaccine? It's a deeply held religion. Yeah, how come cholesterol medicines aren't mandated or aspirin or blood pressure medicines? Why vaccines? Well, look at the iconography in our book. Look at that. That's a papal coin. It's a boy about to receive the Eucharist, the body and blood of Christ. But instead, he's receiving a vaccine. This is issued by the Pope in 2022. It's just an official coin. Think about the symbology. When was this issue? 2022. Recently, we found, and we cite in our book, there's a church in this is for the COVID. This is a co-propaganda. There's a church in the South Island of New Zealand, an older church cathedral has a big yellow and banner down the front. It says not even the blood of Christ can save you. Get vaccinated. Do any of the vaccines work for any group of people? That's the reality in our book. The reality is for sure. The measles vaccine drops case counts. That's wonderful. When I was a kid, I had chickenpox. All the kids have chickenpox. The chickenpox vaccine clearly drops case counts. I mean, that's wonderful. However, every medical product, including vaccines, has a consequence. There's no free lunch here. So let's take chickenpox vaccine. Great. So my kids didn't get chickenpox. Five studies show now, they have a higher risk of getting shingles when they're adult. Oh, let me tell you what, I take care of a lot of cases with shingles. We just had Dianne Feinstein from California. She died of invasive shingles. She had neuroinvasive bare cell disasters. She died of that illness. Let me tell you what, chickenpox in a healthy young child, I had it myself. My brother said, it's a mild illness. So there's a consequence for everything. There's a trade-off for everything. By the way, for those who are listening, that's the V in the MMR. Right. For when people are contemplating which vaccines to give to their kids. So how do you think a parent should approach the vaccine recommendation list? So you have the CDC that recommends this list that I have in front of me. Now in California, just a few weeks ago, Governor Newsom passed a new bill, AB 144, that basically circumvents the CDC's recommendation and provides California's own recommendation for a vaccine schedule. And possibly more vaccines could come our way. How do you think we as parents should approach these vaccinations? Well, recommendations are just recommendations. The reason why it's such a way to question is that many states like California take the recommendations and they codify it into school requirements in mandates that are in the law. They're in the law. Now listen, the diseases are the same in Texas where I live and in California. They're the same diseases for sure. Now in Texas, we have religious, philosophical, and medical exemptions. We don't have to take vaccines if we seek these exemptions. Attorney General in Florida, Joe Ladapo wants to relieve Florida, which is, you know, California, Texas and Florida are in New York are our most popular states. You know, he wants to relieve Florida of all school requirements in mandates. All of them. And you know, 88 countries have no mandates or requirements for vaccines to attend school whatsoever. Wow. If you don't need to take a vaccine to go to school in Sweden or Norway, why do you need to take one to go to California? Why? The point is it's in people's minds. Vaccine ideology is a mind thing. It's not medical. It's not medical reality. And so you're asking who to follow. In America, there is a medical organization. It's been around since 1943. It's kind of the old guard is called the Association of American Physician Insurgents. I'm a member of this group. Tens of me, people who are US medical graduates, top of their class of which I am. In the year 2000, they passed a resolution against all vaccine mandates or requirements. They saw this coming. That's 25 years ago. They saw this coming world worldwide. The World Council for Health, led by Dr. Tess Lowry, who's was the highest level consultant to the WHO previously. World Council for Health in 2022. Issues a report in guidance is called safer to wait. If you're a parent today, it's safer to wait on all the vaccines and let the dust kind of subtle. Let's get a new consensus. You know, I just, just in Washington last week and I can tell you, we've never had so much discussion on Capitol Hill and Senate hearings and more debates and more deliberations over vaccines. And if you're a young parent and you weren't following this at all, you'd be asking the question, why are they talking about vaccines so much in Washington? Is there a problem? Wouldn't you think there's a problem? Otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. We do think there's a problem and we also feel like we can't rely on our experts because what we have seen with COVID, I have a lot of questions about COVID. You say that I throw a lot of questions at you at once. I mean, I have a thousand questions about COVID. What do I need to know about COVID that I don't know? Oh boy, you know, this is an illness that 97% of us have had the spine on the surface of the virus is called the spike protein. We've learned that this little spine and each ball of virus has a millions of them. It gets stuck in our body and we can't get this out of our body. It's the cause of long COVID syndrome. Is the cause and the vaccines are the genetic code for the spike protein. The spike protein is the lethal part of the virus. So the vaccines produce the lethal part of the virus for an uncontrolled duration and uncontrolled quantity. The vaccine makes you sicker, you're saying spike protein in your body in massive concentrations. Okay. There were several COVID vaccines, right? There's the mRNA. Maybe you can explain it. Do they all do the same thing? Let's go through. Of those who took a vaccine in the United States, 81% of Americans took a vaccine according to USAFax and they used the CDC codifier, the tabular data. So 81% of Americans took a vaccine. I didn't take them. They weren't safe enough for me. In fact, I'm the only public figure in America in writing who questioned these vaccines before they came out. August of 2020, I published an op-ed in the hill. Myself, I was at Baylor at the time, Scott Ellis at Stanford. We were asked by the hill to write op-eds every month. And we did it dutifully for the House, the Senate, and the White House. That's what we were doing. Scott was focusing on masks and lockdowns. To me, that's not where it was at. I was focusing on how to treat patients and spare hospitalization and death. And when I saw these vaccines coming out in August of 2020, this is four months before they come out. The name of the op-ed is the great gamble of the COVID-19 vaccine development program. Even Robert F. Kennedy didn't see this. No one saw this. People were seduced into this idea, bed of vaccine. Now, 94% of people who took a vaccine took a genetic vaccine Pfizer and Moderna. So we can focus on those. The other 6% took Janssen, J&J, which is also a genetic vaccine. And a tiny sliver took the antigen-only vaccine, which is Novavax. Novavax, by the way, the safest vaccine never promoted by the CDC or any of the authorities. Never. The safest vaccine. Sadly, of those who took a vaccine in the United States, 94% took Pfizer and Moderna. It's synthetic messenger RNA, synthetic genetic code, intentionally modified through a process caused through your adenation to be indestructible by human enzymes. Indestructible. Intentionally. In fact, Carico and Weisman won the Nobel Prize for this process. Normal human messenger RNA is ephemeral. It's secreted. It's broken down. It's a few hours. That's it. It makes its protein is done. But to get the genetic code inserted in the human body and we can't get rid of it as passed from cell to cell to cell and it's producing the spike protein. The spike protein in 4,000 studies now has been shown to cause heart damage. It's physically in the heart. It causes myocarditis or FDA agrees or FDA in the package inserts says Pfizer Moderna causes heart damage. This should be a very bright red light going off to people. I'm a cardiologist. I can tell you America don't take any product that causes heart damage. Never take a product that causes heart damage. It's not wise. Heart damage leads to scars, big ones and small ones and those scars lead to cardiac arrest. This is proven in the peer-reviewed literature. The spike protein causes damage to the brain, it causes stroke, causes paralysis syndromes, small fiber neuropathy, gamma ray syndrome. The spike protein causes blood clots. It's actually found in the blood clots. We're seeing blood clots larger and more resistant to blood thinners that we've ever seen in our career. The spike protein causes autoimmunity because it's not just the spike protein. It's frame-shifted peptides and spike fragments. These are messy vaccines, so the body starts attacking itself and finally the spike protein inhibits tumor suppressor systems, P53 and BRCA, and now we're seeing cancers rise massively recent paper up from Korea, a massive rise in cancers in those who took the vaccine. You mentioned myocarditis. It feels like people are not making a big deal out of an inflammation of a child's heart. It's like a nothing, it's a nothing burger. How is it a nothing burger to people, to physicians, to say, "Oh, yeah, I heard about some studies and yeah, there are some kids who are dropping dead on the field while running, but yeah, you should still take the COVID vaccine. How is this possible?" It's vaccine ideology. It's a madness in the minds of doctors. The American College of Cardiology in 2022 issued a report and says, "Yes, the vaccines are causing heart damage. They're causing myocarditis." But the virus, we think, causes more heart damage, so therefore we should take the vaccines and cause even more heart damage. It's completely ludicrous. Nefarious or simply dumb, in your opinion. It's, I think, it's delusional. It's a thinking, and you can't explain it. It's a disorder type of thinking among doctors, public health professionals and others, some people in the public. Let me tell you, COVID itself does not cause myocarditis. It does not. Autopsy studies have looked for the virus in the heart. You can't find it. A paper by two Valley and colleagues in Israel before the vaccines rolled out. People had lots of COVID in Israel. No increase in myocarditis. Daniels from the big 10 published in JAMA, they looked for myocarditis and athletes who had COVID. In fact, they had MRI screening programs. One was worried that the virus itself could cause myocarditis before the vaccines. They found out of tens of thousands of athletes, 36 candidate cases, none of them proven to be anything at all. So essentially, the big 10 dropped its myocarditis screening program for COVID illness. So everyone dropped it. So the entire world knew that COVID illness could not cause myocarditis. As usual, they dropped, they dropped any concern over it. Now the vaccines roll in and I testify in the Senate on May 21st of 2025 and we published a report and this is in Homeland Security and governmental affairs, permanent subcommittee investigations. The conclusion is the U.S. government and public health agencies covered up vaccine myocarditis intentionally to mislead the public and encourage more vaccination. So yes, nefarious, according to the U.S. Senate, permanent subcommittee on investigations. For sure, it's nefarious. In fact, our CDC and FDA were communicating with the Israelis. The Israelis said we've got 62 cases in young people, two have died due to this vaccine myocarditis. We have all the emails. We have all the records. And to this day, to this day, it's being covered up, Verma, New England Journal of Medicine August of 2020, a young man, 42 years old, comes into Washington University of St. Louis a few days after taking Moderna. Moderna essentially rots out his heart with so much myocarditis, destroys his heart, he dies in the hospital and what, they do an autopsy. It's vaccine fatal myocarditis, no doubt about it, no England Journal of Medicine. Now paper alone should have been full stop, full stop, who's going to take a vaccine like that? No one, no one, and if that can happen to a 42 year old man, it can happen to a 16 year old boy, it should have been full stop. In fact, our agencies did not discuss that case. They didn't bring that as a warning. And then sadly a 16 and 17 year old boy, one in Michigan, one in Connecticut, a few days after Pfizer, they die in their beds. Their parents discover their dead bodies, they get autopsies, the pathologist collaborate, they publish an archives of pathology, conclusion is fatal, Pfizer, myocarditis, fatal. So when there's a fatal side effect, for sure the FDA commissioner and the FDA must put a box warning on the product saying this can be fatal. The advertisements have to say warning, this can be a fatal side effect. So this day our FDA, our FDA commissioner has not come out and publicly said it's fatal and we should have a black box warning. You can tell something is going on. It's a cover up that's going on today with the current administration and a new HHS team. Meanwhile, you have Dr. Fauci's portrait hanging in the Smithsonian Museum. Well, in our book, we highlight many figures. figures like this. This isn't a Fauci. It's not new. I mean, one question you could ask is, who has more arrogance? Fauci or Louis Pasteur? The arrogance, the bold claims of vaccinologists. Well, I've got a panacea for this and Pasteur would make these announcements. I've got a foul-cowler vaccine. They said, "Well, where's your data? I'll get back to you later on it." Remember how Fauci was always getting back to you? And finally, in the 1960s, Stuart's memoirs come out. There was nothing. He was stealing from other people. He was essentially, you know, pasteurization and the rabies vaccine he gets credit for. But I can tell you, he was largely a fraud. Fauci, the same thing. Fauci gets some credit early on and, you know, I was in training early in practice during these HIV days. And in many books I've been written about, Fauci, I just met with Senator Rampow on his chambers just last week on this. Fauci greatly misled the country. He actively concealed the origins of SARS-CoV-2. He should have come out immediately and said, "Listen, we were working on this virus. It got out of the lab. It's got a lethal spike protein. We've got to give you heads up on this." He did none of that. And for well over a year, he orchestrated the cover-up. And on top of that, he suppressed all forms of early treatment, including McCullough Protocol. And I've published the most widely used protocol. In the world, he actively suppressed our efforts to spare hospitalizations and deaths. And then he relentlessly promoted the vaccine with no concerns over safety. Well, you came into my zeitgeist when you issued that protocol, the McCullough Protocol, as well as your more recent protocol for the COVID vaccine, I guess, cleanup to use a pedestrian term. There are a lot of people who are listening right now who are probably very concerned because they have to take the COVID vaccine. And they're worried about what you just told us that it's living in our bodies and we can't get rid of it. So, can we get rid of the vaccine in our body? We can take some positive steps. And I was recently criticized in the US Senate by Richard Blumenthal Center from Connecticut. And I told him, I said, "Listen, I've been highly critical of the government. I've been critical of Trump administration by administration and Trump administration again." However, I've also provided the nation answers where other people have not. And here we are in California. 2020, people are really getting sick with COVID. They need a solution to help them avoid hospitalization and death. Do you think UCLA had a protocol? Zero. I know they didn't. Seaters have a protocol. Zero. Listen, you got plenty of talent out here. Suddenly, they have nothing to offer people in California. This goes on for a very long time. I said, "Forget it." But color protocol was conceived. It was published. We did what worked as rapidly as we could. We published it in the American Journal of Medicine in August of 2020. We had an update in December of 2020, peer reviewed, cited the National Library of Medicine. This is good as you're going to get. We had clear and convincing evidence that our early treatment protocol was reducing hospitalizations and deaths by the end of 2020. So I feel the gap where Harvard couldn't UCLA couldn't, Emory couldn't, and what was in the protocol? Is it similar to Zelenz? Is it Zelenz's code? It's actually Zelenko was our senior author on the second paper. But the early treatment started with nasal sprays and gargles of which had wonderful data, nutraceuticals and supplements, oral antivirals, oral steroids, aspirin, anti-inflammatories, and anticoagulants. It took about six things to get somebody through COVID. But boy, we better start on day one and not wait to hospitalization. Now we have so many people sick with COVID, after the COVID and with the vaccines, and it's all due to the spike protein. So the key thing for your audience to know is people should get a blood test to check their antibodies against the spike protein. It's an indirect proxy of how much of this stuff is in their body from COVID and from the vaccines. Now we have now five peer-reviewed papers. I've published two of them coming in, others coming in from all over the world, that there is a way to get rid of the spike protein. The natural ingredients are natal kinase and bromelain for sure. There may be others, cereptase, lumbar kinase, pepane, curcumin has a ton of data helping inhibit the spike protein. And so we formed a company. Why wouldn't we do this because we need a mechanism to get this out to the public? And that's what this product is, the ultimate spike detox. This is high dose, medicinal grade, natal kinase, bromelain and curcumin, plus some minor ingredients. And we have multiple papers showing that patients resolve their spike protein syndromes. And that's ear ringing, numbness and tingling, heart palpitations, chest pain, blood clouds, other problems with prescription medications in addition. They resolve their syndromes typically in a year. The antibodies against the spike protein precipitously come down and thank goodness people feel better. And these are pretty simple ingredients. I mean, they can, some of this comes from pineapple, curcumin, bromelain, you can get anywhere. They're in high doses and we add ingredients to aid an absorption. And while it's copyrighted, in my name, a color protocol, mainly for accountability, it's not patented. And we didn't patent this on purpose. We said the entire world needs this. So we told people, listen, come up with your own ingredients, come up with your own products. So if you go on Amazon right now, you type in spike detox. A ton of things come up. You'll get millions of hits on Google. The entire world knows. And you're happy with that. Among these people are healing. Yes, people need to get better. For kids, do you think kids should take this if they have a high spike protein? Well, this company has kids spike gummies, which are pepying based. And yeah, kids can take up to eight gummies and it's perfectly safe to do that. The R1 caveat in this is this is high dose and it's medicinal grade. So it tends to be blood thinning. So with caution, we use in blood thinners. Now I do it every day in my practice, but the caveats are bleeding and cannot be taken during pregnancy. So very importantly, not what breastfeeding is okay. The Canadian system has strong warnings not during pregnancy or breastfeeding. We have a high risk OB-GYN on our board at wellness company who has given us the okay to recommend it. But thankfully millions of people are on this. They're getting better. And, you know, I'll take as much criticism as my adversaries want to dull out. I'm bringing solutions where they have offered nothing. My adversaries in academia have offered nothing for acute ambulatory COVID. And now they're offering nothing for people suffering with long COVID or a vaccine syndrome. Okay, you mentioned pregnant ladies. I have many pregnant ladies who are very concerned now about Tylenol. So I'm sure you're aware that the HHS has come out against Tylenol for pregnant women. And I am curious what your thoughts are on this. I just give some overarching comments about pregnancy. Pregnancy is a natural state. Obviously, human beings have been delivering babies throughout the millennia. And it's a robust state of immunity. It's not an immune deficient state. And so pregnant women should need little or no assistance in the modern day to deliver healthy baby. You shouldn't need much assistance at all. And the big advancements in obstetrics is actually delivering the baby to make sure the baby comes out okay, the placenta is delivered correctly. There's not excessive hemorrhage. Pseotomy is managed. And we're good. So that's modern day obstetrics. When we start doing things routinely through the course of pregnancy, which haven't been done before, we have to raise questions. So my wife was pregnant in the 1990s. She took no medicines. She took no injections. She's perfectly fine. We have perfectly fine kids around 2003. Vaccines started to be given to pregnant women with no justification, the T-dap, then influenza, now respiratory, sensational virus, COVID-19 vaccination. We've never given pregnant women vaccines ever in the history of medicine. And it just starts in the last 25 years. Now, women can have reactions to vaccines. And when HHS announced women, what concerned about pregnant women taking Tylenol, I checked three large survey studies, two thirds of women in today's age take Tylenol, one of the most common reasons because they have taken vaccines. So women, because they get a fever from the vaccine. Right. And they're told, in fact, my Twitter feed when this came out. So many women said, Dr. McCullough, they told me to take Tylenol with the vaccine. So I don't get a fever. Now, why is a fever a big deal during pregnancy? It's a leading cause of loss of the baby. That's a miscarriage in the first trimester, a stillbirth and second trimester, or premature delivery. In fact, the respiratory sensational virus, vaccine on this package insert says warning may cause premature delivery. It's right there. For sure, the inflammation and the fever can cause a woman to lose her baby. So that's the reason my women take Tylenol during pregnancy. So we're back to the vaccines as probably the reason why I don't know how many women take town, I don't know how many women take town. they could take Tylenol for other reasons. But as we sit here today, there have been a few studies, survey studies that have just asked women to recall backwards that they take any Tylenol, and it's a mixed review of the paper by Prada and colleagues from Mount Sinai and Harvard, 46 studies, 27 of them showed an association of Tylenol with some neuropsychiatric problem in the child, like attention deficit disorder, what have you. Nine of them showed no association whatsoever. Four of them showed Tylenol actually protects against having these problems. And only eight of those studies involved autism, six showed an association and two didn't. So it's a very mixed review, and I can tell you as a doctor, a woman who has an ankle sprain in the first trimester, and takes two capsules of Tylenol. It's implausible to me that those two capsules of Tylenol can be responsible for a child developing autism at age two after a big bundle of vaccines, and the mothers watch this. It's implausible. And I think honestly, it was irresponsible for HHS to come out with this press briefing in a sense redirect the nation's attention on Tylenol. It was a very mixed conference because the questions were right back on the vaccines. Trump was on the vaccines. Trump said, "Wait a minute, maybe the vaccines are too much. We should space them out. Maybe we shouldn't give hepatitis B in the first day of life." So Trump is on the vaccines. The press is on the vaccines. But yet the HHS is, they're saying, well, we're going to put another warning on Tylenol. There's already warning out in 2015. Tylenol, the manufacturers already put out a tweet saying, "We didn't tell women to take this." There's no plausible link. People say, "Wow, the brain gets depleted of glutathione." There is such a thing as a Tylenol overdose, and there's a well-understood mechanism where there is some intercellular metabolites to get depleted glutathione. We actually give an acetylcystine to rejuvenate it. But that's with grams and grams and grams of Tylenol in a child, not with a mother taking two, two caplets that are quickly cleared out of her body. There's just, it's implausible to me that Tylenol causes an encephalitis, and then a post-encephaletic syndrome like a seizure or EDHD or autism. It's far more plausible that vaccination during pregnancy and vaccination during childhood is the independent risk factor for the development of neuropsychiatric disorders. What do you think should be done with the HEPB vaccine, which was the other part of the conversation? Many, many countries do not administer that early in childhood. The HEPB vaccine is one of the few vaccines that is out there. If you look at population data, it is not reduced mortality due to hepatitis B at all. Population mortality due to hepatitis B has gone up, and there have been plenty of studies showing giving a healthy child born today, hepatitis B vaccine, is completely inappropriately timed. When they do need protection later on, if they're going to go be a cardiologist like me, I took the vaccine, that childhood vaccination schedule offered them no benefit whatsoever, the immunity is already gone. So the only children who should get hepatitis B vaccines, it's about 4,000 births out of three million in the United States per year, would be a woman who has active HEPB and we test for it. And this is a sexually transmitted disease, sexually or through IV drug abuse, or the status is unknown. A woman comes in, she crashes in and we don't have time to check, and she's potentially IV drug abuse. Any normal healthy woman in America who's hepatitis B negative, there is zero clinical indication for hepatitis B vaccine. Why risk any side effect for a completely inappropriate shot? Well, now they're saying the shot might be moved from day one when the child was born two later on, maybe when they're 12. But based on what you're describing, it sounds like a child shouldn't even have to take this vaccine, should they? I think it's more of an adult vaccine. Remember, a child could get in trouble with some IV drugs or a sexual encounter during teenage years, you know, that would again, that would be shared decision making, right? The parent, the child, the doctor, that's not a, that's not a guideline decision. That's a shared decision making. You know, I'm a cardiologist, I deal with, you know, IVs in the heart catharsis laboratory, scalples, nurses, paramedics. You know, we could have an IV drug abuse or I don't want to get HEPB for sure I took it. As an adult, I took the hepatitis B vaccine. Now, it didn't last very long. So every time I've checked my titers, I've had to take, you know, boosters, it's not a very effective vaccine, but I've taken it, but not a little baby. Dr. final words, how do we think about this critically, right? So we've gone from really understanding that the whole world of vaccinations, it is no surprise that it comes from the word vodka, right? We seem to be worshipping some additional God. And God might be just banging on our door, reminding us that he is God and the scientists are not God. But I think many of us want to just be reasonable about things, right? And then the people will call you and me all kinds of names. You're a vaccine denier, you're crazy, you're a cook, you're not qualified. That's all silliness, right? Everybody knows you're plenty qualified. And so how can we think through this entire experience logically? Any final advice for people who just want to do the right thing for their children and their grandchildren? All of medicine is local, all of health care's local is always between the doctor and the patient and the family. You have to have a doctor who you can discuss this with and, you know, be comfortable with these decisions. We do have an emerging body of data suggesting natural is better. Vaccine side effects have been understated. And do you know the healthy human services since 1986 has had a duty, according to the vaccine injury compensation act, to produce a biannual vaccine safety report to Congress, a duty to show Congress how they're improving the safety of vaccines. Do you know how many reports they've produced? Zero. Zero. You would hope that even if they produce the report, Congress would actually bother reading it. Under Robert F. Kennedy, how many of they produced? Zero. I want people to understand this. Our government is showing zero concern over vaccine safety and the vaccines keep being added. And the public now is starting to get pretty uncomfortable. That would be similar to a saying, listen, our government cares nothing about automobile safety, nothing. It's a free for all. You can blow up in your car. We're starting to get very uncomfortable here. The public knows something's up. We're at a point of tension. And it's not just vaccines and neuropsychiatric disorders, we have an overload of allergic disorders. You know, we can't even eat peanut butter and jelly sandwich in elementary schools anymore. Where did all these food allergies come from? An asthma allergic dermatitis. We have a tidal wave of a transgender crisis. 1.8% of American children are now transgender. Who are those kids? They're kids with autism and neuropsychiatric problems. There was called neurodiverse kids. So if this thesis is correct, excessive vaccination is leading to a giant tidal wave of allergic and neuropsychiatric diseases, which is now leading to this panoply of neurodiversity and gender diversity and gender dysphoria. So indeed, man is changing God's creation. The question on the table is, what should we do about it? Okay, one more question I know. I'm sure the audience is going to be happy that I still ask this. We'll go a little bit over time. One of the comments that I get often times is that there isn't enough research because the research is generally funded by the pharmaceuticals. They're the ones with the big dollars and they're the ones who will fund the research and therefore the research is in their advantage and it's for whatever they want to sell and there isn't enough research. Can Americans donate or get involved in funding research? That is actually legitimate and pure of the possible nefarious or interests of let's say the pharmaceuticals? If I certainly can, I'm president McCullough Foundation. We're an offer-profit organization. We are doing independent research, McCulloughFND.org. But let me tell you, we have to put some heat. And I've been doing this publicly on our agencies. Our CDC's got $12 billion. Recently, RFK said, well, we're going to put 50 million for autism. 50? I mean, that's a drop in the bucket. We should have hundreds of millions of dollars request for applications. We should be studying vaccine safety, you know, every, every which way. We should be have all hands on deck for autism. Every kid with autism ought to be on a national registry. We should have pharmaceutical efforts to have some real therapies applied here and we should get some answers. We have so much money in HHS. HHS is bigger than the military. A lot of people don't know this. There's so much money. Robert F. Kennedy is overseeing divisions in HHS that have billion dollar budgets plus. They haven't done anything to improve the health of our country. Well, hopefully we can help empower him to do what it is that we've been not praying for. Well, thank you, doctor. Thank you. Online deal days are back at Kroger. Don't miss your chance for extra savings when you shop pick up or delivery. You can save $30 on your first online order of $75 or more with your digital coupon. Plus enjoy unlimited free delivery by starting a boost free trial today. 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