Dr Joe Dispenza: Rewire Your Brain, Heal Your Mind, Fear, Anxiety & Money | FO475 Raj Shamani

What happens if he practice gratitude 10 minutes a day? A person who understands that I'm gonna go for 10 or 15 minutes just feeling gratitude or thinking about all the things that I'm grateful for. I promise you, a person who does that after a period of time, as a side effect, the opportunities coming to them. I know my reality. I'm not the version who I want to be. How do they think and create of that future which they can't even see? We have one of two choices to disbelieve or believe. If you choose to be a chronic disbeliever, then you'll find reasons in your life to reaffirm that disbelief. I was just looking at a testimony the other day, the guy had a 9.5 inch tumor on his kidneys. The chemo wasn't working, the radiation wasn't working. None of the diets worked. One of two options, die, was show up for myself. And their belief in themselves was earned. It was the overcoming, showing up even when they doubted. The person they have the scans, they have the blood tests, tumors are gone, everything's gone. That's the power that lives in every human being. When you start seeing possibility like that. How is that possible? When you're in the meditative state, if you can open the door between your conscious mind and your subconscious mind and you're able to provide the autonomic nervous system with the right information, it has an innate intelligence to restore and repair, regenerate chemicals and hormones that begin to restore and repair the body. Sort of concept, which is alpha, beta, gamma, t. Okay, delta. Explain me when you're conscious and most of your attention is pretty much on your outer environment, you're in beta. Then when you're more of your attention kind of goes on your inner environment, that's alpha. Fata is when your body is asleep, resting in your conscious and awake. Fata is that hypnotic state. Delta is when your body is in a deep resting state of sleep and it's restoring and repairing. Gamma is that kind of elevated state of super consciousness. Our data says that at the end of seven days, a person's voice tone is different, their face is different, their brain is different, their heart is different. Everything changes when a person changes. What are like top two or three things that people do wrong, which is why they're not able to change at all? So the person who's operating from past is usually trying to predict the future based on the past and they're working pretty much off a part of the brain called the default mode network. The challenge with that is it consumes an enormous amount of energy in the brain. And if you're not predicting the future, you're in the present moment. And when you're in the present moment, you are way more creative, the brain is more integrated. And that's when you get creative ideas. Do you think somebody who doesn't feel that deeply? Does that affect their ability to create a better future? Just one quick thing before we start. So many of you spend your precious time watching these conversations on our podcast every single day. And that keeps me and my whole team motivated to be better and do better. But if any conversation in any episode or any podcast has made your life even slightly better, please subscribe this channel. It's free. It won't cost you a thing. But for us, it means everything. So please subscribe now coming to today's episode. What if you could change your entire personality? What if your anxiety or trauma the habits you can't break the version of you that you really hit? All of that could be changed. What if you could unleash the power of your mind, of your thoughts and achieve the absolute goals of your life, which are the biggest and be able to achieve all your dreams as well? What if all of that was possible? But today's guest is going to tell you exactly how. But today's guest is Dr. Joe Dispenser, the man who proved that your thoughts can heal your body. He has healed so many diseases. He has helped so many people walk again. He's trained all around the world to do exactly this and unleash the power of your brain. He researches neuroscience. He works with a lot of institutions and try to understand what can your mind do and what are the possibilities. So by the end of this episode, you will also understand why you've been stuck and how exactly you can turn your life around. Let me start with something that I've never shared this publicly ever. And so there are a lot of nights where after I've had a great podcast or I've won something and I've like, it's a big day. And I'm winning in my life and I'm making money. I think I've done something successfully. Even after that, when I go back home, I sit down and I'm almost about to sleep. I have these thoughts that, shit, what am I not good enough? What if tomorrow all of this goes away? What if this success? I can't recreate. What if all of this is luck? And these spiral thoughts just keep coming in again and again. And I almost doubt myself to the point where it's like 3 a.m. or 4 a.m. And I can't sleep and I keep overthinking. And I'm sure there are so many people like me who go through the same thing. So what's going on in my mind? Why am I thinking about all these things even on the days when I'm winning? Yeah. I think it's common for people, you know, we create based on lack. Many people see something that they want and they realize that they don't have it. And the natural thing is to create what you don't have. So it's natural to create based on lack. And then we have to get up and work really hard to accomplish and then produce an outcome. The experience then takes away the lack because the emotion from the experience fulfills that lack. And then it's only transient. And then that lack kind of comes back again. And it causes us to speculate what if I what if I don't succeed? And it's common. But what we discovered with people that do this, what we look at their brains in real time, is that when we analyze our life like that and we ruminate, we tend to make our brain worse. In other words, by doing that and overthinking and over analyzing, you're narrowing your focus on something and you're doing that because the hormones of stress, right? The chemicals of stress are arousing your brain to live in survival and say, what if I lose everything that I have? When you're thinking within that emotion, you're actually causing your brain to experience more of those emotions and you get caught in this loop, right? So the point is, is that none of that is good for you. In fact, you're actually turning on the stress response just by thought alone. And those chemicals of stress become addictive, right? And so not knowing this, many people don't know this, but they're doing this just for some rush of adrenaline. And you can do that for hours because when you're in stress and you're in survival, you actually have to narrow your focus on the cause. And people become over focused and they over analyze themselves and they over analyze their lives. And they make their brain worse. Even when they have everything that they want, the big fear is what if I lose it, right? So the fear then is the issue, right? So then I would say to someone like you, you got to face off with that fear and you got to make sure that that fear cannot influence your life in any way. And that's the thing, the emotion that you have to change. You said that's the fear that I got to influence and that fear has influence on my life in some sort of way, right? Sometimes I wonder and I think that maybe it's a good thing. And I let it drive because I feel like because I feel like this every time after every big opportunity, I work harder the next day because I overthink about it. I'm really, really bothered by everything and that's why it helps me. Is that a good way of thinking about how old are you? I'm 29 now. Well, I think it's normal. First of all, I think a little agitation or a little fear is a good driver, right? I think it gets, it motivates us because people don't want to fail, right? And they want to succeed or they don't want to do the wrong thing or make the wrong choice. So it's natural for us to have a little bit of a stimulation like that. When it gets overly active, then it gets in our way. So once again, I don't think it's bad, but if it drives you to kind of do more, I think it's great. But I don't think it's the ultimate reason why we should be doing things, right? Your ultimate desire maybe is not to live your whole life in fear, but to live in a state of wholeness or a state of connection or a state of gratitude or a state of love. And I think we reach a certain point in our life where we just start questioning, is this loving to me, living this way, is it loving to me? So at 29 years old, when I was 29 years old, I had a lot of, I had a lot of ambition. I still have a lot of ambition, but I think I have a lot more experience in life. And that just comes over time. So as long as the fear doesn't get in the way for you creating the life that you want or that you get addicted to that emotion, I think it's healthy to have a little bit of fear. It kind of drives you a little bit of rouses you a little bit, but just don't go too far with it. But let's say there are people who are feeling this fear, and they are feeling these negative emotions every night, and they're overthinking. And that is not helping them in their likes. How do they stop it? Yeah. Well, that's one of the reasons why we teach people that the reason that we use meditation. Is not to heal or to create success or whatever or abundance, or to have a mystical experience. But we use meditation as a way to change. And so to become conscious of those unconscious thoughts that you think when you're feeling fear, and so important to become so conscious that you don't go unconscious to those thoughts. Again, in other words, just because you have a thought doesn't necessarily mean it's true, right? And if the anxiety and the worry and the fear are something that you experience on a daily basis, then in meditation you have to become so conscious that you don't go unconscious and let that fear run you. And then how do you behave? Do you stay up and ruminate over those what if scenarios in your life, you have to become so conscious that you don't go unconscious and fall back into that habit again. And so the act of remembering and not forgetting in your meditation is exactly how you change, right? So then that unlearning process, there's only part of it. Then there's a relearning process. Like you have to break the habit of the old self, but then you have to reinvent the new self. So in your meditation to become familiar with the way you think, to become familiar with the way you act, to become familiar with the way you feel, the word meditation means to become familiar with, to know myself. And then in the reinvention process, what do I want to think? Let me remember how I do want to think in that situation and change in that moment and think different thoughts. And the only way I'm going to be able to think those different thoughts is not when I'm struggling in those emotional states. I have to program my brain in my meditation to begin to think in a different way. What do I want to believe? And a belief is just the thought you keep thinking over and over again. So with intention and with your attention, let me remember what I do want to believe. And if you keep thinking that thought over and over again, nerve cells that fire together, wire together, you begin to install the hardware in your brain. But that's not enough. You have to do it enough times that those circuits begin to fire more automatically. They begin to hardwire. And now that becomes the new voice in your head, how do I want to behave? Or how do I want to act when I'm feeling fear? What is an alternative? What does greatness look like? What would be loving to myself? Let me sit up in that state when I'm feeling that fear and let me go into it and let me change it. Right? So let me rehearse in my mind. Let me review how I'm going to behave. Mentor rehearsal, the act of closing your eyes and choosing a different behavior. The research shows, if you're truly present, the brain does not know the difference between the real life experience and what you're imagining. So the brain begins to fire and wire new circuits to look like you already did the act, right? Keep doing it and becomes a software program. And it's more easy for you to behave that way because you've primed the brain. In other words, if you don't prime the brain and you're struggling, you have no circuitry to use, right? And then you have to say, okay, let me practice feeling a different emotion instead of fear. Let me practice feeling gratitude. I mean, see how many times I could bring up the feeling of gratitude. And if you in your meditation could bring it up over and over again, remember to feel this way. You keep doing it over and over again, you're making chemicals, right? And if you keep doing it, you can condition your body to feel that feeling more automatically. And you can begin to become familiar with a new way of thinking. You can become familiar with a new way of acting. And you become familiar with a new way of feeling. And I think a lot of people just think that they have to stay stuck in there and they try to think positively when they're feeling really negatively, right? And that's not the solution. The work is okay. Now that I'm realizing that I'm struggling in the evenings, I gotta do the inner work, not when I'm struggling, but when I start my day or before I go to sleep at night, let me remind myself where I'm not going to go, right? Let me remind myself what thoughts that I'm not going to entertain. Let me remind myself when I feel that fear that I could settle that emotion down. And when I start ruminating and I start acting this way, I gotta remember that that's how I used to behave. I'm going to begin to change when I begin to think differently, when I begin to act differently, and I begin to feel differently. Now, theoretically, it sounds easy, but there's no other alternative unless you rely on something outside of you to change your internal state. So the act of changing from one state of mind and body to another state of mind and body. And priming your brain and body to have the biology, the circuitry, the chemistry in place, if you keep doing it, you'll begin to choose the thing that way more often, choose to act the way more often, choose to feel that way more often. And I think that process is, it takes a little bit of time. But if you keep doing it, yeah, people change all the time. There are so many things that you said right now, I want to go one by one, pick up like statement and theories, one by one, and go deeper on each of them. Before we start that, do you think like these fears and the things that I'm thinking, I've been programmed this way since I was a child, there must be some incident or something that must have happened when I was five and then 10 and then 15 and then my external environment today. And I don't know. There are so many things which have made me the way I am. Is it possible to go back and figure out what and how it happened which made me the way I am today? Well, I'll tell you how I see it. For the most part, I never really tell people to go back to the event. I don't think it's healthy for them to review the event or the experience that caused them to be a certain way. I mean, insight really doesn't change behavior. You could say my father was overbearing, my mother was a perfectionist, I didn't have a parent, whatever. It doesn't change. The insight doesn't change the person, right? But what's more important is the emotion, right? That's what is the residue because the end product of an experience is an emotion. So a person has an experience in their life. I don't know. Let's just make something up. They have a trauma, right? And that the event causes them to feel differently than they normally feel. The stronger the emotional quotient from whatever the trauma or the betrayal or loss is, the more altered they are inside of them, the more the brain freezes the frame and takes a snapshot. And that's called the long-term memory. And we can remember events better because there's emotions associated with them, right? So let's just say the person has a trauma in their life. And from that trauma, they feel fear or they feel unworthiness or they feel pain, right? And you say to them, why are you this way? They'll say, I am this way because of this event that happened to me five years ago, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, 20 years ago, 25 years ago, 40 years ago, right? But they're really saying from biological perspective, is I have this experience in my life and I have not been able to change since that experience because it altered who I am, right? The challenge is when people have traumatic events, whether they know it or not, when they review the event in their mind, they keep thinking about it, keep remembering it, they're producing the same chemistry and their brain and body as if the event was occurring. And so the body is the unconscious mind. It does not know the difference between the real life experience that's creating the emotion and the emotion that person's creating by thought alone. The body is being abused and it's reliving the experience 50 to 100 times in one day. And it only takes a thought and a feeling, a memory and an emotion, a stimulus and response and you can condition the body to become the mind of that emotion. And now the body is literally living in the past. And it's so objective that it's constantly believing it's living in the same past experience. Okay. So then what's the solution? It's the emotion. The person must look at that emotion and they must learn how to transform that emotion into wisdom because the memory without the emotional charge is called wisdom. Now what are data shows? Just about 100% of the time. And we work with prisoners incarcerated people, veterans, Navy SEALs, Green Berets, all different cultures. And the one thing that resets the baseline for the children. trauma is when you open your heart. When you say to like a Navy seal or a military special ops person, if you can open your heart, it'll reset the baseline for the trauma. And these are trained individuals. When they start practicing breathing and start practicing opening their heart and they start resting their attention in it and they start cultivating elevated emotions, there comes a moment where the heart actually begins to beat more orderly. And the moment it starts doing that, it sends a signal right to the brain and tells the brain the event is over. And when that occurs, this little area of the brain called the amygdala, the survival center of the brain, literally gets turned off. And all of a sudden now when the person looks back at the past event, they don't see it with the same emotional charge. And I think when we master our emotions, we master our creations and that memory now when they look back at it without the emotional charge is called wisdom. And now they're no longer living in their past, now they're ready to begin to live in their future. So we discovered that the way out is not trying to go back and figure out, why am I this way? It was this person's fault, it was this experience. For many people that actually excuses them from actually making the choice to change, because as they review the memory, nerve cells that fire together, wire together, and if they can work themselves up into the emotion, their body's feeling the same emotion from the past. And thoughts of the language of the brain and feelings of language of the body and how you think and how you feel as your state of being, they're stuck in that past state of being. So analyzing, thinking, and trying to figure it out never really resolves the problem. We discovered if you can activate your heart center and there's a process that we do with that. If a person released is sincere, was I start to practice elevated emotions, the heart tells the brain that the event is over. But then is it working in today's world? Because the question is more and more people are facing some sort of emotional decay, right? There is you teach people and your whole work and what you explained me right now is about the moment you open your heart, have elevated emotions like gratitude, love, openness, when you have all of these things, then you're able to revive yourself and change yourself for better. What about a generation which is facing certain level of emotional emnesia? Like they're just against, not against, but they're losing their ability to feel deeply because they're constantly not thinking, not creating, not feeling. They're just bombarded by left-right center algorithm and news and things and they're just feeling negative. Nothing else in there which has gotten numb to it. So the generation which is losing their ability to feel emotion deeply, is it possible for them to feel certain way and change themselves? What generation are you talking about? Gen Z, Gen Alpha, the new ones. Well, that's really, there was a research about it, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, it's really interesting because what our demographic has changed in the last five years, our demographic was a lot older in our retreats. We run big retreats. And now our demographic is a much younger demographic. And it's really exciting because many young people are realizing the absurdity of mismanaging their attention and mismanaging their emotions. And they've tried everything and a device that's giving them images and stimulation and messing with their brain chemistry. And they're realizing that nothing is making that feeling go away that they have. And many people rely on something outside of them. The takeaway is emptiness or this pain or this confusion inside of them. So they take something and they notice it makes them feel better. The moment they notice it feels better, they pay attention to what caused it and then they become dependent or relying on that substance. The problem is whatever that is, even it could be a video game. Whatever it is to distract you from that feeling. As you said, when we started this talk, the feeling always comes back, right? It always returns after the high of the drug or the video game or whatever they're doing with gambling or whatever they're doing the distraction. That feeling comes back in what's happening with a lot of people is they're looking for unconventional answers, right? Because they're not going to find any of the answers out there, right? So you give a person the understanding that they have the power to change. They have the power to create a better life that there's more to reality than all the images and stimulation and the news and the right and left and center. There comes a moment where people are finally going to say, "I've had enough," right? And I think everybody arrives at that point at different times. But I'm optimistic about this kind of resurgence of interest where people are really wanting to take their power back and they really want to be more involved in creating a life that's more meaningful. And I think that if you look at the younger cultures, when I talk to our youth community, I mean, huge youth community, especially between the ages of 18 and 30, like very, very large community, their biggest thing is there's no meaning. Like there's no meaning out there. Like when you lose meaning for life, as it becomes a big challenge, right? So give a person the understanding that there is meaning, that they can evolve, that they can change, that they can create, that our community of like-minded, like-hearted people can get together and really begin to support one another in that change. I think that's the future. So my value really around it is community and our youth community is just amazing there. We've created Healing Groups now. We have a new program called XCaliber, which is a kind of elite program where they have to, you know, apply and then be accepted and then they have to fill out applications and interviews and they have to submit videos. And once they're accepted, then we're going to, you know, we're going to fund them into, you know, universities and raise money for scholarships and mentor them with different companies and organizations. So I'm, the youth are future, so I'm very involved in that. Yeah. But do you think somebody who doesn't feel that deeply or is getting emotionally numb? De-sensitized. De-sensitized. Does that affect their ability to create a better future or a good future? I think emotions can either keep us anchored to the past when, you know, we're, you know, when we're memorized by those emotions. We're also emotions are actually what drive us. It's the energy to create a new future, right? And if you're lazy or lethargic or uninspired or you've lost initiative or you have a desire for sameness or you're not creative in any way because the only way that we actually really believe in a future is when we feel the emotion of that future. It's really hard to believe in a future when you're feeling the emotion of the past. In fact, many people will continuously tell the story of their past when they're feeling the emotions of the past. So that's what we do in our events. But there are seven day retreats and the first couple days are very uncomfortable. I tell the audience, you're going to come right up against yourself and you're going to sit and you can't grab your cell phone and you can't open your eyes and you're going to have to face off with yourself and we give them something to do, right? Why the second day, normally, maybe the third day in some groups, there's this huge transformation that starts taking place. There's a curiosity. We have language specialists that come and study the language of transformation. And they're really intelligent professors and researchers. Many people come to our events and they have a curiosity, right? That's kind of an easy way to say it. And then we start the event and then they're challenged. Nobody changes unless they're challenged. Period. And I've been doing this a long time and I can tell you that's a fact. If you give somebody something to do when they're challenged, like when you're challenged, don't do what you typically do. We're going to give you what a formula that we've discovered based on more than 10 years of research. If you just do this and stop doing that, if you can get through this, there'll be a breakthrough and you'll start to feel again. And when you start to feel again, the common language that people use after the challenge is connection. They feel like they're connected to themselves, they're connected to love, they're connected to their future, they're connected on some level. Then after the connection, the language transformation like I am not the same person like that guy that guy was struggling I am not him any longer and there's a sense of temporality right there's a sense of temporality where a person says this happened hundreds of times no no no the disease that I had whatever the terminal disease was a chronic disease was um belongs to that personality I'm literally somebody else I'm somebody else I don't I'm not that person in law and literally their biology changes right so the apathy that's created because we're desensitized where there is no meaning or you don't really feel like it's going to matter that existential kind of crisis it's not a bad thing to feel that right I think all of us uh at this point in history like I mean if you look at the world today that's really hard to be inspired because there's such you know chaos and yet I think community is that solution so a person then who joins a community of people where they say I need answers I need answers not philosophical not theoretical not spiritual I need answers of like what I can do in my life uh that's practical because I don't want to feel this way any longer and the pharmaceuticals or the diet or the treatments or whatever's not changing me in any way this is the moment of reckoning for many people because this is when they realize that nothing is making this feeling go away and no one's coming for them nobody's coming for them and they're like the I got to choose myself like I have to choose myself when a person comes to that point and there's that sense of open-mindedness or open-heartedness or curiosity um it leads them to a place where I think is really healthy and the contrast for the lack of feeling causes us for many of us to want to feel and so many people say well I can't really open my heart well well what emotions do you feel every day let's look at that well you spend the majority of your time feeling this emotion is that loving to you no I don't want to feel that way well let's not use a drug let's not use a computer game let's not use your phone or social media let's see if you can change that emotion on your own and when a person finally frees themselves from the chains of the past the body is literally liberated and the side effect of them overcoming that emotion that many are addicted to is joy is the body liberated from being tormented by the same emotion that's keeping the person in the past and some people just have to reach the lowest denominator that point where they're at the lowest level where they're just can't go on any longer and they make up their mind to change because when they're feeling that low or no longer like themselves they can actually observe themselves for the first time they could see how they've been thinking you know they can objectify their objective self and in it takes energy and it takes awareness to disentangle from those programs the beauty behind the research that we've been doing is that we now know that it's entirely possible and the people that have had horrible past brutal past traumatic past abuse of all kinds of traumas and some have done really horrible things and scenes witness some really horrible things you know 30 hours a week of panic attacks trying every drug every pharmaceutical every therapy exercising you know cold plunges sawnas die it's nothing was making their trauma go away until they finally sat down and said I got to look at myself and when people really are willing to see what's beyond this emotion what's beyond this belief what's beyond this behavior I'm going to sit and I'm going to and I'm going to work on overcoming myself it is the overcoming process that we discovered that is the becoming process and when people reach the middle of their life 35, 40 years old 95% of who they are by that age is a set of memorized subconscious programs so the only way you're going to become conscious of your unconscious self is to catch yourself going unconscious and every time you catch yourself going unconscious and you become conscious that you get more conscious and get better catching yourself from going unconscious so we discovered that in the brain changes the most when you reach that point where you don't want to go any further and you just don't think you can and when you go a little further that's when the brain changes the most because you're leaving the familiar territory leaving the known and you're stepping into the unknown so I can't I can't I don't want to I don't want to support the idea that people who have lost their ambition to feel will never feel again they just have they'll just have to reach a point where they'll have to finally realize is this serving me and if it's not I'm look I have to look for solutions. You before we create a new reality or before we actually change ourselves we have to think about future right that's what you're trying to say like you have to create a new perception or imagination in your head but what do you think about people who are losing their ability to imagine there's almost I was reading a study that there's some sort of imagination collapse which is happening because as you grow older your ability to imagine and create vivid images in your head keep declining so you must have dealt with so many people in your retreats who probably must have forgotten how to imagine a better future or think about anything because they're so caught up with their work jobs family drama toxicity all around them so their imagination muscle must have either just gone or got in the weekend can you retrain yourself to think and imagine a future when you have never imagined a thought about it yeah um the answer is yes and I think there's well just give two reasons there's many reasons but I'll give two reasons let's talk about the most obvious right I mean everybody has a lot going on in their life right and your brain is a record of the past it's an artifact of everything you've learned and experienced to this moment it is the it is the repository of the autobiographical self your Raj because you come from a certain country you have a certain family you've studied certain things you know certain people you live in certain places you own certain things at certain times and when you meet people you kind of you you tell them who you are based on your experience in life so then you have a neurological network for your mother a neurological network for your father a neurological network for your siblings for your cell phone for your home because you've experienced all these elements in your life right and because you've experienced all those elements in your life you have an emotion that's associated with every one of those people or objects or things or places right and so when a person is out of balance or they're stressed they've they've stressed is when your body and brain are out of balance or homeostasis and the alarm system or the emergency system switches on and your brain goes into a heightened kind of a rouse state stress is created by not being able to predict predict something not being able to control something or having the perception in your life that something's going to get worse and when that kind of alarm system switches on it's a survival system and what you try to do then is you try to control and predict everything in your life so the arousal causes you to shift your attention from one person to another person to another meeting to another thing to another place to another time and because you have a neurological network assigned to all of those elements like a lightning storm in the clouds your brain begins to compartmentalize begins to silo and it begins to fire out of order if you were to measure the brain when it does that it's very incoherent and when the brain is incoherent we're incoherent and the side effect of that is that we begin to become fragmented we can't control our mind and where as you said earlier we kind of get very narrow focused we begin to overthink and over analyze and is exactly what drives the brain further and further out of balance so what we discovered after years of study is kind of narrow conversion focus that many people are living by they can't they can't imagine their future when you're living in survival why would you it's not a time to create when Tyrannosaurus rex is chasing you that primitive system is switched on and all your attention is on yourself right to become very self-involved because in survival you got to stay alive and you got to put your attention on your body all of the elements in your environment and you're very obsessed about time turns out that if you do the exact opposite and this is what our research shows if you broaden your focus and you begin to focus on space on nothing the act of sensing space and no longer thinking and sensing and feeling space causes those different compartments that were firing incoherently out of order they begin to synchronize those modules begin to form and connect with one another and larger real estate a part of the brain begins to begin to fire more coherently. Brain begins to synchronize. And what sinks in the brain, links in the brain. And we have FMRI studies on this. We have a lot of quantitative EEG studies on this. It doesn't matter how old you are, how young you are, what your gender, what you eat, where you're from, your sociopath, economic status, none of those elements matter. That when you do this properly, the brain begins to function more coherently and more organized. And when that happens, the brain gets highly creative. It gets-- you're processing a different level of consciousness, a more holistic level of consciousness. So that's called intention. The person all of a sudden can begin to imagine a future because they've moved from that survival state into a more creative state. At the same time, when they do that, you kind of see this psychic union going on between these two hemispheres. And modulation goes down, which means the brain's firing more holistically. The compartments are no longer divided. They're more unified. When that occurs, the person starting to feel more like themselves. Like, oh my god, I forgot, like this feels really great. At the same time, we see this kind of cooperation with the heart. Like, the heart all of a sudden begins to bloom. It starts to become very coherent as well. Because when we're living in stress and we're living in survival, and a person's distracted and they have kids and invocations and meetings, and they're fragmented like that, the arousal of those stress hormones, the person's not running, you know, exerting themselves running. They're not fighting and they're not, you know, fleeing and hiding. This adrenaline, it's causing the person to step on the gas and step on the break at the same time. And the heart is beating against the closed system, right? So the heart starts to beat out of order. And when it becomes incoherent, incoherent waves cancel each other out. And energy leaves the heart and you stop trusting. You stop connecting, you stop communicating. You stop being creative, the heart is the creative center. So when the brain gets highly organized and synchronized, you see this kind of energy move right into the heart. And the heart is the creative center. At the same time, it resets the baseline for the trauma. We've seen beautiful brain scans on this. The heart begins to beat like a great drum, very coherently, very orderly. And it tells the brain to get creative. And all of a sudden, like grabbing a big sheet and going like this, it sends a wave of energy right to the brain. And the brain moves into alpha. Now alpha is the imaginary state. Alpha is when you imagine, is when you dream, it's when you create. You no longer hear the critic in your mind that's talking you, "Rosh, you should think about this, about this." What if this happens or what if that happens? That's the analytical mind that's the critic in the brain. That's beta brain waves, right? Going to go in the stress, you go into very high beta. Now you're over aroused, right? Now you're overly alert, right? That's not a good brain state to create in. In fact, you're going to force, you're going to control, you're going to fight, you're going to compete. That's what you do in that state. When the heart informs the brain to become creative, and the moment it moves into alpha, the critic shuts off. And all of a sudden, your brain starts to see in pictures, starts to see in images. It's in a flow state. It's imagining and creating, right? And there's this kind of synchronization. It's so beautiful. There's this kind of synchronization that goes on between the heart and the brain. All of a sudden, there's this kind of connection where the heart and the brain start working together. And we discovered that the more a person can relax into their heart, we can train people to do this. The more they relax into their heart, the more energy goes to the brain. And you start seeing the brain moving into a really, really elegant state. You start seeing the baseline of the brain, sometimes theta, which is deep sleep. The person's not sleeping, but there's a deep resonance to the brain where theta is starting producing, delta starting producing theta waves, right? So there's waves on waves on waves in the brain. When that occurs, the person is feeling really good, right? So relaxed in the heart and awake in the brain. And we discovered that people do this with training really well. It's not difficult for them to imagine that future. They're in the perfect state to imagine the challenge is overcoming their survival tendencies and getting their brain integrated, getting their heart integrated, and getting the two systems working together. So we've seen this over and over again. Fated tends to be the place where you're very, very suggestible to information. And that's when the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind is wide open. Now remember, 5% of your mind is your conscious mind. 95% is what we program subconsciously. What separates the two is the analytical mind. So as you begin to slow your brain waves down, you get beyond your analytical mind, you open the door. And now you can reprogram because you're in the operating system. Now you're in their phada is when that when that veil is completely gone. That's a hypnotic state. So then you can then rehearse a new way of being. You could rehearse a new life. You can decide what emotions you want to feel. The door is wide open. You can begin to reprogram yourself subconsciously. And when people sustain these states, coherences, you know, when waves are kind of orderly. If waves stay orderly and they begin to interfere with each other, they start building bigger waves. So a person that's really, really practice at this, their body will be in a light sleep. They'll be in a liminal state, a non-sleep, deep rest state where the bodies feel so safe that it could actually rest in that moment. And when they rest into their heart like that, some people have their baseline of phada. And then phada starts carrying alpha. And alpha starts carrying beta. Then beta starts carrying high beta. And then high beta starts carrying gamma. And when the person's in gamma, they're super conscious. They're no longer the program. And there's waves upon waves that's called resonance in the brain. And that's when we start seeing networks recruiting. We start organizing. And that's when you know they're recruiting a lot more brain power. How long do you think it is possible for somebody in our generation who is constantly driven out of algorithm and not out of imagination to go from just feeling 20 things at the same time because of the feed that they have curated to go from that point to a state of nothing and then to a state of actually imagining and creating a future that you're talking about. How long does it take? If you come to an event two days. Really? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, pretty sure. And get really uncomfortable to sit with nothing and have and think nothing because you've never done it. Like most people have never done it. Yeah, I think that one of the things that I think we accomplish really well is that we never, ever, ever give a person a meditation to do without a lot of teaching. I think knowledge and information is the forerunner to an experience. And so then every time you learn something new, you're making new connections in your brain. Learning is forging new synaptic connections. And the Nobel Prize researcher, Kendall and your 2000, found that people just focus on one bit of information for an hour. One concept or one idea. They'll double the number of connections in their brain as a result of their interaction with the environment. But here's the catch. If you don't review it, if you don't think about it and you don't repeat it, those circuits will crew apart within hours or days. So if learning is making new synaptic connections, then remembering is maintaining and sustaining those connections. Okay. So what does that mean? That we give people a lot of information. I believe that science is the contemporary language of mysticism. I think science is what demystifies the mystical. So then before we ever tell a person the focus on nothing, they'll give up in a short amount of time. But if we explain, we combine quantum physics with neuroscience and neuroendocrinology and psychonuron immunology, the mind body connection, epigenetics, Newtonian physics, electromagnetism, made really easily, right? And they understand the information and then they have to teach that information to the person next to them. They have to teach it back to someone. They have to remind themselves of what they learned. And if they can remind themselves what they learned, nerve cells that fire together, wire together, right? And if nothing is left the conjecture, the superstition to dogma. And the person understands exactly what they're doing and why they're doing it. The how gets easier. When the how gets easier because they understand the why, they assign meaning to the task. And when they assign meaning to the task, they switch on their prefrontal cortex, you know, the boss of the brain and the boss of the brain wants an outcome. I'm doing this intentionally because I want an outcome, doing this with intention. I'm doing this meditation to make my brain more coherent when I do the following things. So now the person's less likely to doubt or disbelieve when they understand the what and the why. If they can't explain it to the person next to them, it's not wired in their brain. So we've done, we do extensive teachings where people have to engage in the information and then teach it back to somebody before we get into the meditations. They have to build a model of understanding. It's so much easier to forget this information than to remember, right? So you get a wired in your brain, but experience then is the great professor. If I can set up the conditions in the environment and I can give them the right instructions, if they can get their behaviors to match their intentions, if I can get their actions equal to their thoughts, if I can get their mind and body working together, they're going to have a new experience. Now experience enriches those philosophical circuits in the brain, but the end product of the experiences we've been saying is an emotion, but not fear, not unworthyness, not pain. This is the experience that they're doing causes them to feel gratitude or unlimited or appreciation or love. And the moment they feel the emotion from the experience, they're teaching their body chemically to understand what their mind is intellectually understood. So knowledge is for the mind and experiences for the body. In other words, the information is no longer just in the brain. The information is now in the body. They're embodying the truth of that philosophy, that theory. And now they understand it, right? And the chemical that's created from that emotion, that elevated emotion, is actually selecting and instructing new genes. It's new information for our biology. That's what we discovered. If you've done it once, what does it mean? You should be able to do it again. If you can repeat the experience over and over again, neurologically and chemically, you'll neurochemically condition your mind and body to organize and work together as one. And when you've done something so many times that the body now knows how to do it better than the conscious mind, now it's innate in you. It's automatic. You've mastered that, that philosophy. You've become that knowledge, right? It's a new state of being. And so the first couple of days is important because there's a lot of information. Like we just don't stay focused on nothing. We explain what that void or that vacuum is. We give it a quantum understanding. We talk about how our senses plug us into reality. And there's more information in the immaterial than there'll ever be in the material. And we, you know, we, you know, we designed it in a way that's very engaging so that the average person, and by the way, we have eight-year-old children, ten-year-old. We had a, we did a ten-day event in Cancun just the last week for advanced students. And we had a 13-year-old little girl from, from Italy that went through the whole entire thing, did every meditation. She was spot on. And who's that? Who's she going to be? You know, in ten years from now. So we want to give people enough tools so that when they go back into their life, they know exactly what they're doing and why they're doing it. Before I ask you my next question, I want my audience to just revise this one, one sort of concept, which is alpha, beta, gamma, t, delta. Okay. Explain me in one, one line and simple. Okay. What is alpha? What is beta? What is gamma? What is delta? What is theta? These are fine. Yeah, that's fine. So you and I are talking right now, right? And we're conscious and awake. And your brain is trying to create meaning between what's going on out here and what's going on inside you, right? And because your sense is plug you into your environment, you got to integrate everything you're seeing and hearing and smelling and tasting and feeling, right? And when the brain is integrating all this information, it goes into a brain wave state called beta brain waves. So when you're conscious and most of your attention is pretty much on your outer environment, you're in beta. If I said you Raj, I forgot to tell you there's going to be a quiz that you have to take, you know, at the end of this podcast, you would kind of perk up a little bit more and you kind of lean in, you know, you would move into a little bit higher beta brain waves state. Then when you're really stressed and you're angry or you're fearful or you're frustrated or you're resentful or judgmental, you're in that high beta brain waves state. That's three times higher than resting beta, right? That's the alarm system and the brain. Some people get stuck there and they need something to do or take to take to bring their brain waves down. So as you begin to slow your brain waves down and more of your attention kind of goes on your inner environment, you begin to slow your breath down. We discover that slowing your breathing down, slows your brain waves down. You start to relax and you start taking more attention off your outer environment and you close your eyes. Your inner world starts becoming more real than your outer world and the brain waves are a little bit slower, right? And that's alpha. And you do this when you drive your car. If you're driving on the freeway for a couple hours and you're just kind of glancing straight ahead, your brain typically kind of pauses for a minute and you start seeing images and pictures, you're naturally going to alpha. So it's an easy state to get into and many people can get into alpha pretty naturally. And that is the creative state, imaginary state. Fata is when your body is asleep and resting in your conscious and awake, your conscious in your subconscious mind, and there's no filter. There's no analytical mind. It's going straight in there and you can literally drop a program or a new idea into the subconscious mind. Delta is when your body is in a deep resting state of sleep. It's kind of catatonic and it's restoring and repairing. Now we used to think that that was the only thing that Fata was. But we have some really, really advanced students that actually can have a baseline Fata where their body is looks like it's a sleep and they're awake and they have they have Delta, Fata, Alpha, Beta, High Beta. And then gamma, think about gamma as super consciousness or super awareness. You're a very alert, very clear. You're not in a program. You're relaxed and awake instead of stressed out unconscious and in a program. So gamma is that kind of elevated state of super consciousness. How long does it take for somebody to go from Beta to gamma? That's a great question. They have to drop down into Fata. Most people, they have to drop down into Fata and really get into that super relaxed and awake state. And then once they're in that Fata state, that's when they climb up to gamma. And some people we have people in our community that can drop into into that state in four seconds, five seconds, 13 seconds, you know, a minute. They've just practiced it enough times. They know how to do it. And just like anything else, if you practice, you get good at it. How long do you think if somebody is never done meditation? How long does it take them from going to their current state to this? Like, is it yours? Is it not? No, okay. Okay. So first of all, that's a great question. And I want to answer this really, really objectively. Many times a person's mother will bring them or their spouse will bring them and the person's never meditated before. And they're just like, I don't know about this. When we test those people's brains, sometimes they they have the best brain scans because they have no preconception of what to do. Like a lot of men that come with their wives, they're like, I don't know anything about, tell me what to do. I'm going to do exactly what you tell me to do. They do exactly what we tell them to do. And they have really profound experiences. So whether you're, whether you're an advanced meditator or not, if you follow the instructions, many people will drop in pretty easily and pretty naturally. In fact, our data shows, this is what our data says. Our data says that novice meditators, right? People who have never meditated before they come to our events, they're kind of curious, but they're not sure. Yeah. Novice meditators who really don't have never meditated before. That's the majority of our, it's usually 75 to 80% of our week-long retreat people. At the end of seven days, they look like advanced meditators, not only in their brain, but in their biology. In other words, they're at the end of seven days, they're producing thousands of metabolites in their blood. And gene expression proteins that suggest that they're living in a whole new environment, in their own ballroom. In other words, they're epigenetically changing without relying on anything outside of them. And that's 80% of the people that are novice meditators at the end of seven days look like they're living in a whole new life, in their own ballroom. And they're manufacturing all kinds of chemicals that are pro-life, pro-growth, pro-restoration. Crazy. I'm not saying that. That's what the data is saying. You know, because here's the last night, we were talking, we were talking to the team and we all were discussing while we were researching for you, that we were just seeing like after listening to you for so many times. I am one of those, I'm like, yes, meditation is a thing, but I've never explored it. And I'm not there yet. Like I don't maybe. Yeah. Well, it's not for me. Yeah. Let me just say one thing about that, just to clarify it. We don't do any traditional meditation. You know, I noticed that in my own personal teaching experience on my journey, the moment you talk tradition or religion or culture, you're going to divide an audience. Right? Someone's going to shut off. You have to use science, right? That's the language that we use. And so what I discovered in my own personal journey is that if you give people the right information and you make learning fun and you make it easy, our meditations don't follow any of the tradition. I'm looking at brain scans. I know the words. I know the music. I know the timing. I know we have studied this so well. I know what works and what doesn't work. There's no tradition to our meditation at all. Then we do all kinds of meditations in a seven-day retreat. You're not just sitting there focusing on your breathing or not. We were way past that point. We use meditation to change, to go from the old self to the new self. We use meditation to get beyond your body, your environment and time. We use meditation to connect to that invisible field of information, the quantum field that exists beyond the senses that people really can begin to interact with. And we use meditation to get beyond the analytical mind to reprogram ourselves. So you're not going to hear that, you know, our scientists that come from all over the country, they just, they walk in. They're thinking that everybody's going to be wearing white and there's going to be, you know, lavender and mist. And it's not how our events are. They're very engaging and they're very contemporary. And they're fun or like a rave, you know, they're very active. I want to make it really reachable for every person. I don't want it to be where it's so exclusive that you have to work really hard. Now, I'm not saying that you're not going to have to face off with yourself for sure. But I'm pretty confident after 64 week long retreats that the majority of those people, as I said, our data is pretty much over 80% of the population has some type of change. So we don't do meditation in the traditional sense. I'm using language based on our language specialists. We, I can tell you that at the end of seven days, a person's language is different. Their voice tone is different. Their face is different. Their microbiome is different without changing their diet drastically different. Their brain is different. Their heart is different. Their blood is dramatically different. Their microbiome, I said, the gene expression is different. Their breath is different. Their breast milk is different. All of this, okay, if I do this, will I have proof for all of this? Yeah, pretty much. I mean, I think, I think, you know, you know, one of the things that I'm super happy with is that the research that we've done, we just published a great paper, the research that we've done really points the finger at the fact that you can change and you can do it in seven days. And that's super exciting. We talk about that research, but I want to talk about a bad habit that I have, okay? It's a, it's almost like a good habit and a bad habit because I have, a problem in my life where I see my friends and family members was stuck. I get uncomfortable when I hear my loved ones are stuck somewhere. Maybe it's because of money, it's because of some emotional pattern. Maybe it's because of bad relationship. I don't know wherever they are. I want them to like quit and just start something and even just move on from there. Sometimes it is great because people have taken my advice and help to move over and sometimes it's bad because before even trying to fix it, I'm like, just, just get away from this feeling of stuck, right? But what I've noticed, a lot of times people don't want to get out of it. Is it possible that you can help someone transform where they don't want to transform? Probably not. I mean, I figured, I think one of the most impossible things in the universe is a closed mind. I mean, you know, you have to honor free will. And I think that comes with, I think that just comes with experience or with maybe just age. I don't know. You realize that when the person is ready to change, they'll change. In fact, I never offer advice to people in my life unless I'm asked. It's just really a healthy way to do it. I'll be, I'll love them. I'll be inspiring. I'll be my best for them. But I won't offer advice unless I'm asked. Is there a pattern that they love to be stuck or they just don't want to get out of it? I don't think that's it. I think, well, yeah, I think there's two reasons. And they're kind of kind of related. The hardest part about change is not making the same choice as you did the day before. And to unstick yourself means you have to move from the known to the unknown. And when you step into the unknown, it's unpredictable. There's a lot of uncertainty. Things aren't familiar. You're not in the past any longer. And many people would rather cling to their suffering or their challenging life than to take a chance and possibility because they don't know what that would bring for them. So they stay there because the unknown is a scary place for them. It turns out the unknown is the perfect place to create from. It is the place that we actually can create something new from. We can't create anything new from the known. So then the second reason really is just those very strong addictive emotions. Like the person may be using, let's say they're addicted to fear. And they may be using a person or a situation in their life to reaffirm their addiction to that emotion. And in time they become addicted to a life that they don't even like. And that's why it changes so hard because with any addiction, you overdose, there's bad trips. Yeah, there's rehab. And when you're overcoming some type of an addiction, the body is really craving something. And so many people can't move past the addiction to that emotion until it gets really bad. And for many people, it's God for human nature. It's got to get so bad. Or it's intolerable where they finally say, I have to make another choice. You say that one of the hardest things to do is breaking the habit of being yourself. But in society like ours, in Indian society, Asian society, right? Your identity is not only who you are. Your identity is a lot decided by where you're born, the community or in the society or in the family or in the religion you're born in. And you don't have absolute freedom to create your new self. You, there is certain expectation from you. There is certain level of legacy of sorts. There is certain level of rules and regulations of a particular religion or a place or community, right? There's so many things that decide your identity. In some places, your identity decided even before you born. How do you break free of this whole identity which is expected out of you? How do you break and become free of something you didn't even choose? Every charismatic leader in history was uncompromising. Good or bad. They were just, they led because they weren't going to be defined by any of those things to change is to be greater than your environment. That's what it really means. That no person, no circumstance, no condition would get in the way of your dream. That doesn't mean you have to be mean spirited or arrogant or abusive. It's just that you have to give yourself the freedom to trust yourself, to live the life that you want. And for me, that's really a high value. It's really a super high value because if we allow our culture or our family or our friends or even our loved ones to decide or control how we're going to live our life consciously or unconsciously, we'll never know freedom, especially if we're living for someone else's happiness, right? So I think at 29, this is a good question because you struggle with, oh my God, I'm breaking free from my family. I want to go out on my own. I want to do these things. My parents may not understand. My parents thought I was just way out there, but they always supported me. And I wanted to deliver because I wasn't doing it for any other reason, but to investigate what is the meaning of life. So I think that I think that it's healthy to ask this question right now because you are at this age. But I think if you're sincere and you're kind and you're loving and you make the choice for yourself, you'll always be respected for that. If you make a choice for another person and you don't fulfill what you really feel in your heart or what brings you the greatest joy, you'll either resent the people. That you love or resent yourself or shrink into mediocracy or reach a point where you're just going to finally make up your mind to do it. So if it's something that burns in your soul and is something that you really want to want to follow, I think it's, you know, I tell my children this all the time, go. Like just learn from your mistakes, you know, dust yourself off if it doesn't work out. Ask yourself if if if I'm facing this situation again, how would I do it differently? What did I learn from it? Yeah. And continue on your journey. There's no right or wrong path for a young person to ask this question means that you're up against it on some level. And it really, your real question is you want to have a fulfilling life, right? And that fulfilling life is your journey. And there are dark nights of the soul in evolution where you realize that nobody gets you because they're not you. And you know, you can't go back, right? You can't go that way any longer because it just doesn't feel right. And you got to go this way. And you can't ask anybody their opinion because they're not you, right? And this is a moment of reckoning where you just got to you got to make that choice for yourself. So it is a challenge to live to live authentically. But but there's nothing wrong with having an identity or personality. We all do. But when it comes time to create, you got to be able to lay that character down. You got to be able to drop, rush and become pure consciousness. You got to lay down the identity or the character. And that's exactly what we call getting beyond yourself turns out when you come back when you get beyond yourself, the side effect is that you're more kind, you're more caring, you're more loving, you're more present, you're more free. You don't really care like what people think any longer. And you're more tolerant, more more patient. It's the side effect of overcoming yourself. Does that mean that you cut off people who are trying to pull you back? Because sometimes you don't want to cut them and you love your people, but they are causing an environment which is toxic and pulling you back to the darkness. So you want to break free. But if you break free, there's a sort of guilt that am I doing the right thing or wrong thing? Yeah, I mean, you cut off or no, like what do you do then? I think there's only two options. If you can behave differently around those people or, let me say it another way, if you can be less reactionary or less unconscious, and that may take you really thinking about, you know, I mean, parents and family are the biggest challenge, right? Because they're so close to us, right? And they can push buttons automatically, right? So if you can behave differently or not react or stay conscious around those people, then by all means do it. But also there may be a period of time where you may have to separate yourself from certain people and certain things at certain times because they remind you too much of your pat, you're the self that you no longer want to be, right? And I've done that in my life where I've just been like, I need a break. If they love me, they'll get it, right? And that's when you just kind of work on you. And then when you're really happy with you, and this is again, what our data shows, when you're really happy with you, you're happy with everybody. Like there's nobody that and your oxytocin levels, but we have this research, right? And when your oxytocin levels go up, it's impossible to hold a grudge. You rather feel this way than any other way, right? So there's no right or wrong answer. But I do think if you're truly in the river of change, if you're truly wanting to change, sometimes you have to like avoid certain experiences with certain people at certain times, at certain places because you could fall back very easily back into the same state. And when you finally make that transformation and change, you'll know because when you show up and you're around them, there's no longer a charge or no longer a button that that's how you know you changed. Yeah. What do you think? Why people fail? There are so many people who do the right thing. You have dealt with thousands of people. They're doing everything right, but they're still not able to change and create a new reality. They're not able to build a better life. What are specifically, if you can't give me, what are like top two or three things that people do wrong, which is why they're not able to change at all? Many people, you know, we'll say, oh my God, I'm doing the work. I'm dedicating 45 minutes a day to my meditations. I haven't seen much change in my life. I'm happier. I feel better, but I'm not seeing the changes I want in my life. It doesn't mean that the principles don't work for that person. That means that there's some blind spot, some place where they're not seeing themselves that they need to look. I mean, this is the tough part, right? And there's so many variables, Raj, because some people will get in the routine of doing the same meditation every day. And there, it's become such a routine that they have no meaning. They don't understand the what and the why any longer. And it's just another thing that happened to doing to do the right thing or to please God or to be more perfect or whatever. None of that matters, right? And then other people have a great 45 minute meditation. And then they get up and they spend the next 16 hours of their day stressed out, unconscious, and living in a program. Okay. So what was the purpose of meditation? The purpose of meditation is to be more mindful in your life. You practice that so that when you're in your life, you don't go unconscious. That's why you do it, right? So the person may have one hour 45 minute great meditations happen to all of us. And then they spend the rest of their day living in the hormones of stress or living in fear or living at a balance. And you got to do the math like one hour 45 minutes against this amount of time, you got to get really good at doing it with your eyes open. And many people that heal from health conditions and our work, it's really interesting because that's exactly what happens. They'll say, Hey, I started doing the work. I'm sleeping better. I have less pain. I have more energy. I feel happier. I feel better. But my diet, my, my, my scans and my blood tests really haven't changed much. They don't go, Oh my God, it's not going to work for me. What they say is, Okay, what am I doing here? What is what am I missing? Oh my God, I every time I do my meditation, I feel great. But then I see my ex where I see my coworker or I see my mother-in-law or I see my father or my brother or whatever. And I react. If I'm reacting and feeling the same emotion, I just defaulted. I return back to my old self and it's seamless because the moment you feel that emotion when you react, you behave as if you're in your past and you believe in your past. And it's so seamless that we can go on conscious in a matter of seconds. So the person then says, I want life, I want health, I want healing more than my resentments or anger towards my coworker. What would greatness look like? What would love do? That means I got to be more kind and more compassionate. I don't know if I want to. Well, if it means my life, I'm going to try it out. So then they close their eyes and they start to rehearse. When I see my coworker, you know, remind myself what I'm not going to do. I'm going to remind myself what I am going to do. And as they rehearse the act and remind over and over again, as I said earlier, they're starting to install some circuitry. They're priming their brain. If I keep doing it enough times, enough times, enough times, it's going to become more automatic, right? It's going to become more like a software program. So then they get in the presence of their coworker, they get in the presence of their ex or their mother-in-law, whoever. And they get their behaviors to match their intentions. And when they do, they create no experience. And the experience produces a different emotion. And they're like, oh my God, I felt compassion and love for that person. And I don't know what happened is all shifted for me. Now, that's good medicine right there. That's real medicine right there. So the person then goes, oh my God, now I've mastered that emotion and I've mastered my creation, right? So they're getting really good at evolving themselves. So certain people may not want to light a match in a dark place and say, no, you know what? I'm never going to forgive that person. I'm never going to, you know, I'm never going to hate stop hating that person. Well, is the hate that you're feeling is like, is like drinking poison and hoping the other person's going to have an effect, right? The only person that that is affecting is you justified or not. The hormones of stress down, regulate genes and create disease. So the person has to say, oh my God, like, I got to change, I got to forgive. And by the way, if you, if you practice being in your heart, it's not hard to forgive. I mean, when you're feeling that feeling, it's very easy to forgive. It's not like you're really trying to forgive the person. You're feeling so good. You're like, you're good. I'm good. Let's go. Like I'm free. That's, that's what the side effect of the work is when the person's really looking. So I think sometimes it's a person defaults automatically and they go unconscious. We all do it. I think that sometimes people, they forget why they're doing it. it or what they're doing is just become another routine. They haven't really thought it through and really said, "Okay, I'm doing this for this intention. I think people sometimes give up on themselves and that becomes a habit. They don't really get into it. They really don't really invest themselves because they don't believe that they on a deep level that they can change." So there's a lot of factors. Some people would only do a short little meditation and think their life is going to blow up and they're going to be abundant tomorrow. It's unrealistic. If a person wants to be, let's just pick healthy or abundant. This is their dream of being healthy or abundant. This is the personality who's in lack or feeling unhealthy or is unhealthy. You got to agree with me. In order for this person to arrive here, they've got to make a lot of different choices and do a lot of different things and create a whole lot of new experiences. To find when they become this person, they're going to change along the way. Some people really may not be honest with themselves to see if they're really changing. You know when you're really changing because you stop talking about it. That's when you're getting close. For 99% of the people they don't change. That's true. A lot of people, a lot of people, default automatically back to the same personality. But if you give them the information and they understand that really well in their practicing, that's what I think I'm the most proud of when it comes to our community. I'm the most proud of our community because we're doers. Like there's just too many stories of transformation that we have now where the person has changed their life in dramatic ways. I hear it all the time. And they prove to themselves that they're the creator of their life. That's what I want for them. So if you don't know how to change and you don't know what change is, then more than likely you're going to stay the same person. But if we demystify it and you understand what change is and you understand all those things that you have that are subconsciously programmed, I guarantee you that if you truly are sincere about it, you won't want to go back because you're feeling very differently. So I just think many people just don't know. They may know what they want to change or why they want to change is just don't know how to change. Explain me differences. According to science, what's going on? I'm going to give you two or three situation thoughts, just simple things. What's happening? Let's say there's somebody who is 99% of the world, which is people like normal people, they get up, they think about a deadline and they're thinking about, okay, if I don't do this and I'm going to lose this opportunity, I'm going to do this and that and emotionally charged about it that operating out of fear, versus somebody who is operating out of gratefulness and be like, there's an opportunity. I want to do it and I'll do it because there's so much abundance and I want to create my new reality and all the things that you're teaching. What happens when somebody feels like deadline, deadline, deadline, I'm going to get finished was as somebody who feels abundance and gratefulness and great future in their body, in their mind, in their brain. What is the difference? Yeah, it's really simple. It's back to that same principle. The person who sees it as a deadline is perceiving reality through the lens of their past through the emotion that they're experiencing. And in the person who's seeing the possibility in a state of gratitude is feeling the emotion of the event before it's happened. What's happening in the brain? What's happening in the body if I think and operate from bust? Ah, so the person who's operating from the past is usually trying to predict the future based on the past and they're working pretty much off a part of the brain called the default mode network. The default mode network is the brain's predictor. Like you say, okay, I've had these experiences, I've done these things. It's never going to change because I know it's going to be just like my past and you don't do that consciously. You kind of do that unconsciously because the default mode network is always trying to lay down a known, try to predict the next moment. And it's just like if I tossed you a ball, the default mode network would be like your body just, you know, predicting where the ball is going to go and it just kind of grabs it. It's that automatic, right? So the brain is naturally trying to predict the future based on the past. Like almost all the energy in the brain takes a lot to shut that thing off. Our data shows that in seven days you can shut that part of the brain off. And when you're in the present moment, you're you're way more creative, you're way more poised, you're way more spontaneous, the brain is more integrated. And what we discovered is those people that do it and it's the majority of the people when they open their eyes after the meditation's over with their eyes open, that default mode network is still shut off and their brain. So they're still present as if they're meditating, but they're not in, you know, they're not meditating with their eyes closed. That place is when the brain really begins to reboot itself. And that's when you get creative ideas, that's when you trust yourself. That's when you're you're excited and you know, enthusiastic and full of energy about what you're seeing your what your seeing makes sense to you. You know, you believe in it on some level. The default mode network is always going to try to predict it based on what it knows from the past. And you can't create anything new that way. You've said in your research that in your practice isn't in your work, that before you be sleep, that time is really important. And if we practice gratitude 10 minutes a day, in just about four days of a immunity system gets 50% better, is that it? So then that is one case. And then a lot of people just use Instagram for 10 minutes by the end of the day, right? What's if I practice gratitude before bed for 10 minutes, what says I use my Instagram for 10 minutes, what's going to be the difference? Some people can't think for themselves because they're having something think for them, right? Those images and the stimulation is causing them to really expose their brain to information that is causing them to think and feel a certain way. What I'm saying is think and feel on your own, right? And that's the most important thing or think for yourself. So people who lose the imagination or the skill of dreaming, they're just relying on something to think for them, right? That's why nature is so great. Go out and spend three days somewhere in nature. First day, your brain will be all over the place. Second day, it'll kind of come down by third day. You're like, I'm thinking clearly again because if you don't have your device in your looking at the expanse of the sky or the mountains or the sea and you're opening your awareness, your brain gets very organized, right? So a person who understands that when they go to bed at night, their serotonin levels change to melatonin. And when you're in serotonin, you're in beta, when you're in melatonin, you start dropping into alpha theta and delta. And that's when the door opens. So what do you want to drop in there? Do you want to do something? Do you want to drop anything in there that's going to cause you to be more limited or distract you or you know, cause you to think and feel later on the next day a certain way? Or do you say, "Bivalition, I'm going to teach my body emotionally what my future feels like. I'm going to keep bringing up this feeling of gratitude because I know that gratitude strengthens my immune system by 50% and if I'm having a problem with a chronic health condition or you know, immune mediated condition, this would be loving to me. So I'm going to go for 10 or 15 minutes just feeling gratitude or thinking about all the things I'm grateful for. And then I'm going to think about all the things I'll be grateful for when they happen. I'm just going to let myself go. Just I'm just going to play and just let myself go. I promise you though, person who does that after a period of time is going to feel very differently than when they spend 10 minutes watching Instagram, right? Not that I have an opinion on, I just know that it's very seductive and it could cause people to become very dependent on it. That's again, like if you understand the science between slowing your brain waves down and what you want to program in there, if you're serious about a better life, you would run through a list of things that were really important to you and remember to think that way, remember to feel that way, remember to behave that way the next day or even better. How did I do today? How was my day? When did I react? When did I lose my patience? When did I get frustrated? When did I move out of balance? Did I blame the person or circumstance? Was I greater than that? Okay, another day, another lifetime, another chance. My mother used to say new day, right? Another day, how am I going to be if I had the same circumstance in my life, right? It was a better way for Raj to be or Joe to be the next day. Let me remind myself that I could be that way tomorrow. I promise you, if you're sincere just for two, two, three weeks of doing that, you'll naturally surprise yourself. Like, wow. I really didn't react to that person. Wow, I noticed that I was way more calm. I noticed that the person that normally pushes my buttons, I didn't feel that. And that's one of the crazy things that happens from our community. You know, they return back into their life under the common things people say is, "I return back into my life and people say, "what happened to you? "Like, what did you do? "Like, are you on a new drug? "Are you taking a new medication? "Did you get a face thing? "You know, you got a secret. "You're not telling me you look different, right? "Because they are different, right? "That's the joy of change, right? "So the evening and the morning are two times in the day "where the door opens up. "Your brainwaves go from baited to alpha to theta to delta "in the evening when you wake up in the morning. "You go from delta to theta to alpha to beta. "So there's two times where the door "between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind opens. "And people, I mean, the people in my life that do this, "they take their time before they go to bed. "They write things down that are important to them, "things they want to change. "They don't want to watch TV or get on their thing, "they're device, they really want to invest in themselves, right? "And they're serious about it. "And as a side effect, the opportunities, "the coincidences, the synchronicities, the serendipities, "somehow are coming to them. "It's not like they're going and having to get it. "Like somehow is kind of coming to them. "That's all you need. "That's all you need to believe that you're the creator "of your life, right? "And why is that important? "Because you're going to want to do it again. "You're going to be like, that's why our community "does the work because they don't want the magic to end. "They don't want to jinx it. "They're like, it's too good. "I'm not going to miss my meditation "because too many wonderful things are happening in my life "that those synchronicities, those opportunities "are telling you are, in fact, the creator of your life. "That's the side effect." See, you teach all of these in your retreat, right? And people come off as somebody and they go as someone else and they change. But let's talk about a majority of people who are watching this. They just can't leave everything and fly off to a retreat, right? And they have their family responsibilities, they have a very tough job. They're trying to make the ends meet, toxic relationships all around EMI is to pay. They're financially probably struggling. So they can't spend like thousands of dollars to just fly out to another country and spend on a retreat. So somebody who can't do that, what should they do right now? Or what should they start doing from tomorrow? They have no money just 20 minutes in a day because rest of the day is very packed. So what can they do so that they start seeing some of the change of your work? - Again, the first step is information. Information is the catalyst to transformation. So I don't know if it's a book, one of my books to read or a podcast or study the an online course that we have, you know, whether it's the formula or progressive workshops or intensive workshop, you know, take the time and if you only have 20 minutes or 30 minutes sit down for 20 or 30 minutes and learn the information and start somewhere. But I think just knowledge really is the most important thing and it's the basis. So make the time to learn. Like when we stop learning and start feeling we're headed for a genetic destiny, right? So it's important for us to go, okay, this makes sense to me and it may not make sense to everybody. But if it resonates with a person and other people are doing it, why can't I do it, right? That's the main question. So I think, you know, exposing yourself to the information and taking the time to invest a little bit of your energy into it and then practice it and the practice is the fun part. But don't do the practice without understanding why you're doing it or what you're doing. - See, a lot of people will watch this, read your book and then after that they'll start doing certain things. How do you know a difference between whether you're just, you're actually changing or you are just doing it for the sake of doing it. - Yeah. - And you're just feeling something or maybe now because it's also cool to do all of these things, be spiritual or some sort and do meditation. So maybe somebody is just doing it for the coolest of it because I know so many people who do it for this. - The number one thing we discovered is people feel differently and they say, wow, I just don't feel like that person, I'm less stressed, I'm more present. My rash has gone away, my pain has gone away. I'm feeling differently, you know, that's the first thing. They see people differently, they're, you know, less reactionary. I think that's the first kind of signal that we get. Then of course, then the next one is always scene changes in their life. Like all of a sudden they start getting bread crumbs from the divine, you know? Oh my God, I got this offer, I got this opportunity, I ran into this person and then I let do this. And I know on some level that I took the time to create this, you know, so when you start getting feedback in your life, that's the important element I mean, I love synchronicities in my life. I do the work because I do them for the synchronicities for the opportunities for the open moments where, you know, something unknown drops in your lap. But to me, that's the exciting part about it. So I think feedback from our environment usually is the second cue. I think the third one for people in our community is that transcendental moment where they have a very transcendental mystical experience that changes them forever where they just go. Oh my God, I saw beyond the veil like this is not it. This is definitely not it. And those people, their life changes dramatically after that moment. And we see many times after that transcendental moment, there's a biological upgrade that goes on in that person's body like instantaneously, instantaneously. Yeah. See, I know my reality. And I'm here sitting with you. I'm not living my dream life. I am, and so many people like me, they must be thinking about some, some unrealistic version of themself that they want to become. But they know their reality. Like, how do they, how do they think in create of that future, which they can't even see? That seems so far-fetched. How do I convince myself that I'm gonna be that person who is, who's living a dream life. Because I know my reality and nothing seems to be working right now. Well, you have one of two choices, to disbeliever, to believe. That's really it. That's it. If you choose to be a chronic disbeliever, then you'll find reasons, reasons in your life to reaffirm that disbelief. A person may say, I want to be in a loving relationship, but really they really want to sabotage their life in some way, right? The person who believes in a possibility has to believe in themselves. And when you believe in yourself, you believe in possibility. You can't have one without the other. The challenge is that your belief in yourself must be earned. Nobody's gonna do that for you. And that's what we discovered. The person who heals from a chronic health condition, again, I can use these as example, 'cause we have thousands of these. Many of them stand on the stage, Raj, and when they tell their story of transformation to an audience of 2,000 or 2,200 people. They'll say, you know, I kind of believed in this stuff. I really thought it was super cool. I saw the stories of transformation. I heard the testimonials. I believed in it. I just didn't believe it could work for me. That is a really big moment. That is the moment the person's no longer the philosopher. That's the moment the person's getting out of the bleachers and getting on the field. That's the person who says, I gotta prove to myself that this does work. Now, here's the deal. Either you believe or you don't believe. The person who says, I realized that I believed that it worked for everybody else, but I didn't know if it would work for me. I have to prove to myself that it works for me. The majority of those people never missed the day in their meditation because if they missed the day, they knew that they weren't believing that they were the creator of their life. Their standard was super high. They didn't go 50% in 60% in, I'll check to see if it worked. They had their, they were, it was no longer about listen closely. It was no longer about results in their life. It was 100% about effort. It was all effort. They came up against their shadow self. They came up against their disbelief. They came up against their pain. They came up against their fear. They came up against not feeling well, you know, feeling sick. They came up against their self doubt. They came up with the fact that they didn't have enough time, but guess what? They did their meditation anyway. Anyway, and they overcame their fear. They overcame their self doubt. They overcame their disbelief. They overcame their pain. They overcame their body. They started surrendering to love instead of fear. It was the overcoming, showing up even when they doubted, even when they disbelieved. They showed up anyway. And I was just looking at a testimony on the other day, the guy had a 9 1/2 inch tumor on his kidneys. 9 1/2 inches. I said to him, "Did you wear it where there are days where you didn't want to do your meditation?" He said, "Oh, yeah, I didn't feel well a lot of those days." I said, "Did you do it anyway?" He said, "Yep, never missed a day." I said, "Were there days where you doubted?" He said, "Oh, yeah, my family thought I was crazy." Did you do it? "Yeah, I overcame my doubt that day." And there's some people I say to them, "Why were you doing your meditations three times a day?" Three times a day. They'll say, "The chemo wasn't working." The radiation wasn't working. The surgeries didn't work. The drug trial didn't work. The vegan, ketogenic, the intermittent fasting. The only thing I was left with was my belief in myself, right? The reason I did my meditations three times a day is because I started to disbelieve. I had one of two options, die, or show up for myself. And I would not get up from that meditation until I believed in my future again. And the only way, as I said, you can believe in that future, is to transform those limited emotions into elevated emotions. The person has to find something in them where they could feel the emotion of gratitude and fall in love with the idea of that they could heal. And it's that thought and that feeling, that image and that emotion, that stimulus and response, that can condition their body into the emotion and the mind of their future. And they get up and they believe more in their future than when they started. Some people, they finish their meditation and they believe less in their future at the end of their meditation because they never overcame themselves. And this is where the rubber meets the road because they're uncompromising because there's nothing else has worked, right? So to me, that's greatness. I'd rather sit with that person and talk to that person than any famous person in the world. They know the truth. They stand on the stage. They're standing in front of an audience. I'm looking at the audience. They're telling their story and everybody's leaning in. Everybody's leaning in because there's the example of truth. There's a four-minute mile. There's someone who broke through a certain level of consciousness or unconsciousness. And they don't look vegan. They don't look particularly young. They're not dressed very well. They're not fit. They just look like a person you would pass in the grocery store. But they changed their health in some way. And it's everybody in the audience is looking at them. And I know that some people in the audience are going to identify with that person. They're going to say, she doesn't look particularly different than me. I have the same diagnosis. If she could do it, I can do it. And that's the power of community. Because then once it's in the collective consciousness and you witness it, it's no longer just theoretical. There's truth standing there. There's truth on the stage. They have the scans. They have the blood tests. Tumors are gone. Everything's gone. It becomes very infectious. And then all of a sudden you start-- we had five people with renauged syndrome at one event, where you lose blood flow into your extremities. Because one person stood on the stage and told their story for other people by the end of that event, stood on the stage, no more renauged. We had five people that were in wheelchairs, with all kinds of reasons. Spinal cord injuries, myastenia grabis, rheumatine arthritis, lupus, ALS, head traumas. One person stood out of the wheel chair for other people, stood out. We had two people that were blind. I mean, imagine that. That was a crazy one. Couldn't see at the end of the event, the middle event, one person stood on the stage by the end of the event, there's two people. It's insane. That's the power. When you start seeing possibility like that, because people only do the best, is what they think is available. If you don't know what's available, you'll make the same choice. Once you know it's possible, you're not going to-- nobody's so special to be excluded when you're in a community like that. And the person's in their 70s, or there are later years, and doctors are telling them you're too old, or-- you're just going to learn to live with that. Those people are like, no, no, I'm not going to live with this. No, this is not how it's going to end for me. Like, that's what it takes, right? So yeah, there's too much it's to say like, oh, well, you know, I just can't muster it up in me. Well, then what do you want? What do you want? If you really want it, you'll find a way, right? Yeah. A lot of this work is related to controlling emotions, right? Then-- We call it self-regulation. Self-regulation. So you're regulating the emotions. But when you talk about controlling emotions, a lot of people feel that it's about suppressing a certain emotion. So what do people do when they go through this process? Do they-- I mean, let me make a specific. So somebody who has had years of anger and they've suppressed it, years of grief, they've suppressed it, years of trauma and things that have suppressed it, they've not fully allowed themselves to feel. Do you-- before the truncents, do you make them feel that emotion to the fullest? Or do you just suppress it and just rewire and do something there? Yeah. I think that a lot of people, like they have a lot of strong emotions that are on the surface, and they have some strong emotions that are buried in there, right? And I would never say to a person to suppress their emotion. Listen, we all react. We all react. But the question is, how long? How long are you going to react? Really, that's the question. Look at a kid, right? A child just has a reaction. 10 minutes, they're over it, and they're back, for the most part, playing and doing whatever. And I think the greatest thing we can teach children is that emotional intelligence to shorten their emotional responses. So I never say to a person, don't react. I will say to them, how long are you going to react for? Because if you have an event in your life that creates an emotion, and you don't regulate that emotion at last for hours or days, that's called a mood. There's one long emotional reaction. You say to the person, why are you in a mood? I'm in a mood because of this thing that happened to me seven days ago. If they keep the same emotional reaction going on for months, weeks to months, that's called a temperament. The person just has an angry temperament. Why are you angry? I have this event happened to me nine months ago. It goes on for years on end. That's a personality trait. That personality trait is really based on an experience or a series of experiences that create that emotion, right? And then a person just memorizes their emotion. They're having one long emotional reaction, and now they're looking for it. They're looking for a reason to be angry. They're looking not consciously. They're looking for a reason to judge, right? Because it reaffirms their belief from themselves, how they believe, what they believe about life. So when a person's sitting in a meditation, and there's 2,000 people in an audience, and their eyes closed, and everything's kind of, there's music playing, and they have some instructions. And all of a sudden, here comes this agitation. Here comes this resentment. Here comes this impatience. And the body is revving up, right? That's when the person typically says, I can't meditate. That's my mother's fault. I'm quitting, whatever. But if they know what to do, and they know how to work with their body, and like training an animal, they bring the body back into the present moment because the moment they're feeling that emotion, the body's in the past. They go, oh my God, I'm going into the past. The agitation is turning on the stress hormones. I'm going to go into high beta. I gotta settle the body down. I gotta tell it's no longer the mind. And when you do that, and you tell the body it's no longer the mind, you settle it into the present moment. It liberates a little bit of energy. Then it gets a little agitated again, and it gets a little frustrated again, and then it starts getting impatient, and you're not going to give up, and you work with the body again, you settle it down again. You bring it back into the present moment, tedious in the beginning. But like training an animal, body is the animal. Sooner or later, it's going to surrender to a new mind. And when it finally does, there's a huge liberation of energy. Now the person literally taken that emotion, they've gone from particle to wave, from matter and energy, the information that's stored in the body is being released as energy. And now the person doesn't have to try to be more patient. They've kind of cultivated patients by not letting the body be the mind, by the same means. If you're in the habit of picking up your cell phone, every five minutes and scrolling through it, in your name meditation. or you're busy and you got a lot of things to do. You're sitting in the meditation, you want to get up and you want to go and do something. You notice your body doing that. Most people say, "I can't meditate. I'm just going to quit." If you really want it, if you really want change, you got to execute a will that's greater than the program. You're going to bring the body back out of that predictable future into the present moment. And like an unbridled stallion, it'll buck and kick. It'll do everything it can. You just keep bringing it back to the present moment. And now the person is going to liberate energy because the present moment is the unknown. The familiar past of feeling certain emotions and certain memories, that's the known. Living in a predictable future, where you're always busy, you got things to do in people to see in places that go. That's the predictable future. If you can predict that it's known. So if you can settle into the present moment and teach the body to relax into the unknown without it being a scary place, when you can relax into the unknown like that, the body finally surrenders and it's free. Now the person is ready to create something new. Now, it just takes a little bit of understanding. It takes a little bit of practice. Once again, you give numerous times to practice. It gets easier and easier and easier. I'm usually by the third day of the event people sit for, they don't even know how long they forget that the body no longer bothers them. It's just like, it's just, they've just trained it, right? And so the cool part is when they go into their life and they're with their parents or with their siblings and they're smiling and they're present and they really don't have a conversation. They're just really happy to see them. You know, the veil is gone. They're way more, way more present. That's what the work is for. That's what it's for to live your life and take that into your life and be that, you know, be that person that you want to be. Now, you said earlier, well, many people don't know who they want to be. There's a, there's a, there's a trade. And the trade is you got to come up against the person you no longer want to be and you got to really look and it comes up very naturally and very automatically. And a lot of people say, I wanted to leave after the first day. I was way too much. And I, you know, I looked at the military veterans and Navy SEALs in the Green Berets. I'm like, I want three things from you. Courage, courage to feel any emotion. Love, that means it's going to reset the baseline for the trauma. You got to be able to love and wisdom, the memory without the emotional charge is called wisdom. That's what you're going to get out of this. And you can't give up. You go all in sooner or later. I mean, we have again, you know, all shapes, all sizes, all cultures, all races, all pasts, you know, everybody's able to do it. Do you react? Yeah. Do you get angry? No. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I react. The question is how long? Do you get angry now? I don't think it's healthy for me. I've done it enough times to know that it, like, it just doesn't serve me any longer. So I really ask myself, is this loving to you? Is this going to solve anything for you? And usually I usually just go, okay, take a few breaths. And sometimes, you know, I dismiss myself from life. I take a few moments, close my eyes, get back in that place where I want to be. And I think when it's the hardest, it matters the most. But is it, is there some pattern that you fail to overcome and you keep going back to that when you get angry? Like, let's say there are people, anger is such a normal emotion. You, it's you live in an uncertain environment. We all live in that. Like, there has to be some, there are going to be times when you get angry, right? There are people who get like, really raise their voice. There are people who will throw things. I've never been that person. I've never been that person in my life. What do you do when like, it just, just, just, um, being angry yourself? Um, if I get angry, I usually dismiss myself. I know I've done it enough times in my life that it doesn't serve me. Adjust the fight or not. Like, I can't, if I'm saying that person with that circumstance is controlling the way I'm feeling, in the way I'm thinking, then I'm victim to that person, that person's controlling my thoughts and feelings. Then, then I'm giving my power away. The stronger the emotion I feel towards that person or that problem, the more I'm going to pay attention to them, right? Where you place your attention is where you place your energy. So do I really want to give my energy or my attention to that person? And normally the, the answer is no, right? Um, so yes, so I typically, typically just take a moment and just rebuild it. That's a good way to deal with it. It's a great way to do it. Yeah. I was researching about you and while I was researching, I found out that at 19, you read a book, autobiography of Yogi. Yes, yes, I did. Yeah. And you said like something and you changed after that. Um, my parents were best friends with these, this couple and their son was really good friends with me. And we went to graduate school together and the father, my parents would make dinners with these, it's a couple and they would party with them and they're very festive. And I never knew this really about the sky, but he handed me this book when I was heading to, uh, it's a graduate school. And it was a, we were driving from New York all the way down to Atlanta. So it was a long, long drive. So I read the whole book and I had just been starting to do yoga. I, you know, I was interested in it. I was doing martial arts at the time. Something really, uh, uh, very untraditional for a western or I grew up playing, you know, very, very western sports. And um, I, my exposure to yoga in some of the yogis that I had met, uh, uh, bothered me because I didn't understand where they were coming from. And when I read the autobiography, yogi, I was really upset like it really changed, it shifted my paradigm quite a bit. And then if I said this is, if this is the truth, if this is the absolute truth, how did this person do it? What were they teaching? What is this? Cree of breath? You know, I was, and I just, everything changed for me. Everything changed for me. My whole life changed. I started doing, I know this is crazy, but I did like three hours of yoga every morning at 4 a.m. You know, Pat the yoga, and then finished with some very intense breathing. I don't, I think I don't think we missed the day. My roommate and I for, for over three years, like we were out there at 4 in the morning every morning. And we were, I was in search of this understanding. It just, it's something a lit of fire in me. And the way I saw Western religion and the questions that I was willing to ask, I sat my father down and I just said, look, I'm just, if this is the truth, I'm just telling you, I can't do this, you know, the way that we've been raised. And my father was super cool. And you said, well, if you want to investigate it, let me know what you find out, right? And it took me on this whole journey about, and one way, you know, studying the mind and spirituality and yoga and hypnosis and what was common and human potential and what was possible. And yeah, just, I just, I just want to hold an unexpected route, a very unexpected route. I was very, those four years in graduate school. I was very to myself and really curious about, you know, the nature of reality. With specific teaching from autobiography of a yogi, you still carried today. Oh, just the mystical transcendental stuff, you know, the tiger swami, you know, his teacher, you know, Babaji and just the way that the way they appeared as, as mystics and saints and holy people and what the message really was. And I was bothered by Pramahansa, like, by certain things. He didn't look like a yogi to me. Like, it bothered me about it. And he didn't really do well in school. Like, he didn't really get great grades, you know, and I was just kind of, was, you know, bothered by that. And, and, you know, just things, not to say that I was, I just was naive at the time. Like, I just had a way in my mind that I thought it was. And it took me full circle for me to really accept it. My God might, my understanding is so limited, right? And it broke me down. And then I wound up reading a bunch of other really spiritual books that, you know, opened my mind as well. So if you got an opportunity in hypothetical world to collaborate with one of these original ancient Indian gurus who follow this work, who would you collaborate with? I'm probably Pramahansa, yeah. Yeah. Why? Oh, I think he was just a really kind and generous and loving human. Yeah. You know, there's also your stuff. Like your, your method, which is pulling mind out of your body, that's based out of Kundalini, right? Which is a very ancient Indian knowledge. So why don't you call it Kundalini and you give it some different name. I discovered that when you name something based on tradition, I'm gonna lose people in the audience. Or they're gonna say, I learned Kundalini already. And they're gonna have their own belief about it. So you'll never hear me say, "Shakras, you know, you never hear me say Kundalini." I try to stay away from words where people have a stigma or someone conscious belief. So I rename everything. But I stumbled across my own Kundalini experience, it's not because I was trying in any way to have a Kundalini experience. I just, after years of yoga and just all of this kind of control when I exerted myself and did certain things and I breathed a certain way, I would have a dramatic change in my body and in my brain. And I loved that feeling. That energy going right to my brain. And so the breath that we teach is just my best understanding of how to liberate that energy. All the energy you use for to create a baby, to digest a meal, to run from a predator. Those first three energy centers instead of releasing the energy out, draw that energy back to the brain in our brain scan show that on some level it puts the brain into an altered state. Yeah. So when you do all these researches on 5,000 year old ancient Indian knowledge and now you have a lot of science around it and you have done a lot of research as you have, you've packaged it in a much more believable way for masses to understand, right? Do you think that your work in research now validates 5,000 year old Indian wisdom? - I think it validates a lot of wisdom, all kinds of wisdom. I was invited to the parliament for the world religions and had an opportunity to sit with a lot of really, really educated and adept religious leaders. And one of the things I learned in sitting at the table with very, very affluent people was that it was a language barrier. Like they were arguing over scriptures that were 5,000 years old. Who knows the word from 5,000? What it meant then, or 2,000 years old and another part of the world. Like the language was contemporary at the time. And so I wanted to make it more approachable for people and gosh, I've taken all kinds of courses from Buddhism to the Vedic scriptures, all that stuff. It's a lot. It's a lot of-- - Yeah. - And it's again, for a Westerner, it's very difficult for them to wrap their mind around some of the concepts. And I've even sat with them and had them tried to help me understand differences. It's very tedious and it's very difficult. So for me, I thought, what would be the simplest thing to do is to find a way to understand it and then rename it in a way that everybody just goes, "Oh, okay, that makes sense, right? Do you have to know all the details?" No, just this is the best name we can give. So I've always wanted to take very complex ideas or topics, whether it was spiritual or whether a scientific and make them really simple for people, really simple to make it approachable for them to not be intimidated by it but to understand it. And now we have so much science, the scientists can actually go way down the rabbit hole with all kinds of great understandings. Because I'm from India, I can instantly connect a lot of your work with the Patanjali studies, the Adweta Vedanta, the Vedic scriptures, the Kundalini method, right? And there's a lot of information in our culture. What do you think? What do 5,000 are old when there was no science? Like what do those people get it? Which even today a lot of Western neuroscientists don't get. There weren't a lot of technology. Think about living just 300 years ago. It wasn't easy to be human and live. And so I think certain cultures found ways to become more enlightened, you could even talk about Ayurvedic, right? So what do we have in our environment that's good for the body? What is the understanding? Why? Like in the West meditation is such a bad thing, right? And in Buddhism or in traditional Indian culture, it's a way of life. It's like this works like to get your brain body better. This works to change who you are. So it was what they had that sustained the culture in the environments that they were in. And it became really very highly effective and very functional. It was a way of life. And it just happens to be ancient, more ancient than most religion and cultures. Why do you think then it was always there in ancient cultures, right? Like in India out there. But I haven't heard of any Indian who was able to package it in a way to expand the blessings and the goodness of these teachings all around the world or package it in a way which is digestible, which is helping people learn and heal better and become overcome their old self and create a new reality. Like Indians were not able to do it. Why did we, like you are able to do it in a much better way and a much larger way? What do you think? Where did we lack? I think there are a lot of Indians that were able to reach a lot of people when Indians came from India to the West. And they were on talk shows or being buried and then they'd dig them up the next day or put something through their neck out the other side. The West was mystified that because there was only really one guy that was able to do anything like that. And this kind of opened people's minds quite a bit. So I think there's a counter culture to kind of suppress that in a lot of ways because it goes against a lot of agendas. So I do think it may have been a little bit before their time. But I do think they were important elements, important steps for people to understand where we are today. So I think they were influenced a lot of people in a really important way. And they were strong seeds that bore a lot of fruit. But now technology is just so simple to be able to just get on or something and see something that you didn't have available to you. You had to go to the top of a mountain and the Himalayas to find your way to some school, ancient school of wisdom, school of ancient wisdom. And you know, be willing to give up your life to learn some of these things. And I do think that there were a lot of people that were, that made those journeys that we never saw again. That said, I'm not coming back to society again. Or there's many people that have transcended in some way. But I think this is really, you know, this is a really important time to be alive. And I think it's important to be alive right now because, you know, the human race is at a very critical point. You know, we either implode or we evolve. And the coming of this new consciousness is not one person. It's got to be a collective network of people. And, you know, when you live in fear or you're watching the news or you're seeing all these tragedies or you're exposed to different things, it really divides people. When you're in survival and when you're in stress, just nobody wants to connect or trust. You know, everybody's got their own secular ways. And the best way to keep people divided is to keep them in survival and stress. And so what an important time to be alive. I don't think it's ever been in my lifetime. I've never felt so much pressure, you know, environmentally with all the challenges that we've had. And this is a time where you cannot choose fear where you can't choose aggression and hatred because that would add to the consciousness to further divide, right? So there's something has to emerge that's greater than that. And it's not easy, especially when you're threatened in some way or you don't have money or, you know, somebody's been injured in your family for some, you know, unhealthy reason. So it's a huge challenge, right? It's a huge challenge, but this is the time like we chose to be here. And I do think, you know, everybody has to play their part on some level because my interest is if everybody, if I'm working on myself and you're working on yourself and everybody's working on themselves to be a better person, right? And there should be something really emergent that takes place because the side effect of that is this kind of empathy that I think it's natural in human beings. I mean, I think, think we're wired to give, to care for one another, to inform, to heal, to connect, to invent, to, you know, to support. I think we're wired to be that way. You will see in India there are a lot of meditators, there are a lot of people who practice yoga, they go to temples and practice gratitude on an everyday basis. The country has a lot of these people and yet the depression rates in the country is increasing, suicide rate is increasing, there is, there are more people struggling with a bunch of diseases, mental health problems, finances, all of this together. What's going wrong? When the country knows about the value of meditation and there are a lot of people who are doing it regularly still, they're not able to achieve a thriving life. Yeah, I think values have changed in the world and it's just not, it's not just in one country or another country. I think it's ubiquitous. I think it's, I think we're seeing a breakdown in so many aspects, politically in every country, economically in every country. The food we eat, the healthcare we get, the pharmaceuticals we're exposed to, the atmosphere, journalism, education, medicine, everything is, the paradigms are collapsing, everything's breaking down. And that has to happen for something new to take place. Unfortunately, it's having an effect on every culture. It's not just India, it's just about in every country that around the world, there are a lot of self-interest that are being demonstrated amongst certain people that are really excluding the value of human beings. And so when people are undervalued in some way, in every front of how they're experiencing life, I think you're going to see a lot of disease. You're going to see a lot of people unhealthy, depressed, unsatisfied. It's happening globally right now. You study all of this. You study science of meditation. Why do you think, in a lot of meditators, but not enough neuroscientist studying meditation? Well, let's see how I can say this. We have a lot of great scientists on our research team, really intelligent people. And they've spent the majority of their life studying drugs. And drug pathways, right? And there's a strong interest in funding drug studies because drugs help people. A lot of drugs do help people. I think what's so unique about our research right now is that we can say that the human nervous system manufactures a pharmacy of chemicals that works better than drugs. That's what our data shows. And that's a risk to be able to say that in the world. So we fund our own research, and it's very expensive. I put a lot into the data collection. We have nonprofits that work to do the analysis. We do blind studies. We do observational studies. We do clinical trials. We publish papers that are giving an example of the paper that we just published in a nature journal. Most scientific articles get like about 600 to 900 accesses, which means you published an article in about 600 to 900 people download it and read it, right? Where we're at currently right now for this article that we just released just a few weeks ago. It was at 90,000 views, right? So 900 to 90,000 views. And it's still going way up. So there's the thing called an Almetric, which determines like the number of news channels of podcasts, you know, the exposure, the, you know, the references for the article. A great Almetric for a good scientific article is around 20. I think the last we looked, it was about 156. It means that people are looking for the right information. This is so refreshing to say, wow, they're making their own endogenous opioids, you know, they're making their own pharmacology of fertilizers that grow new neurons. They're changing their brain in this dramatic way. The cells are working more efficiently. You know, there's just so many things that default mode network is what shot off the person looks like they're on psilocybin when they're in meditation without taking anything. This is an interest that I think people innately have when they're not programmed because I keep saying to the scientists, I can't believe this is the truth. Like I can't believe it. I can't believe it. It's like it's crazy. And it's not just like, you know, 10% of the people that we're studying have a, you know, two standard deviation change and they're right, parietal lobe, you know, in 13 subjects set of, you know, 50. It's not like that. It's like our data is like 77% of the population, 80% of the population, 84% of the population, 90% of the population, 95% of the population and many studies, 100% of the population. That's, it's crazy, right? So if you're reading that article and you're a scientist, you're doing that exact thing. You're going like this. Now, the crazy part about this is that when we show our data to reputable scientists and they're sitting there looking at it, the most common thing they say is, wait a second, wait a second, you're telling me that these changes are taking place in seven days. This isn't, this isn't a one year study. This is seven days. No way. They're just, it's unbelievable, right? And it has to be, I think, that shocking to tell a better story, right? And so the conversations that I'm having with researchers and physicians and healthcare providers and scientists are not the same conversation I was having just two years ago. I mean, that people are lit up, like they're excited about what's, you know, what's humanly possible. So I think it's again, I believe that on some level, people that get into science are getting into science to discover something new. And one of our top scientists is families from India. Well, maybe he's from India at World Watch, we have two. And in the beginning, he tried everything he possibly could to break the study. He saw the outcome, he was like, no way, the body's making something that's causing the COVID virus to not enter the cell. No way. And then he tried it another way, he tried it another way, tried to disprove it. And every time he's running the study, he's getting the same outcome, I know right in that moment, he's changing his belief. I know he's discovering something new. I know he's thinking this is unbelievable, right? So the cell is actually greater than the environment in the circumstance. The researchers and scientists in our community that are part of the team have changed dramatically. They've changed dramatically in their beliefs about what is humanly possible. I asked them, why do you come to events? A lot of the postdocs that come and the researchers that are running the trials that are looking under the microscope. Why do you come? Why are you coming to sit for seven days and do this? They're like, it's medicine. It's medicine. I'm here because it's actually medicine. It's kind of wild. So we have a lot of papers. We'll be publishing in the next year. Our breast milk study will be the next one that we publish that will be groundbreaking. They will really groundbreaking. We studied women that have gone through a seven-day event and we measure their breast milk before and after and completely different breast milk at the end of seven days. They're factors in their breast milk that will increase wound healing dramatically. They're factors that are anti-carsinogenic that were not there before. It's completely different breast milk and that's the information that the mother is passing to the infant. That's the instructions that the infant is getting in their first exposure to food. Crazy. What is also crazy because I was reading a research and published paper that you published two weeks ago. You see San Diego and it's insane what you guys are. You just discovered or you wrote down in that paper. Can you explain my audience? What do you mean by that? Just meditation is able to create an effect in brain which psychedelics does. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Like no shrooms, no. - No drugs, no intervention with any stuff. - Yeah. - Maybe some sort of "T" you guys give, I don't know. - No, exactly. This is exactly the point 'cause everybody goes, what are you giving them? More like nothing. There's, there are, are retreats are the perfect scientific environment. Everybody's getting up at the same time. Everybody's exposed to the same information. Everybody's eating at the same time. They're eating relatively the same food choices. They're sleeping at the same time. There's just kind of this controlled environment where we can really test all kinds of crazy things and we've got probably the largest database in the world on meditation. So we decided to do some FMRI studies with novice meditators and advanced meditators. And we were looking for a few different things. We were looking for physiological changes in the brain and anatomical changes. And the first thing that we discovered with the advanced meditators is they actually grew an area of the brain larger. Like they had more neurons, they were volumetrically larger, which is insane, right? And so then we were thinking, are there factors in the blood, in the bloodstream that could be causing this growth? And we discovered all these fertilizers, these neurotrophic factors that actually were causing the brain to grow. Now listen, it's crazy because I say to the scientists, where are those chemicals coming from? Where are they coming from? The person's not ingesting any neuro growth factor. They're nervous systems manufacturing. That particular chemical, that piece of information that's causing the brain to flourish, to grow, to expand, like grow new neurons and create new synaptic connections is kind of integration, right? And then we saw that default mode network that we were talking about earlier, the brain's predictor completely shut off. And if it completely shuts off, that means that the brain is not using the same amount of energy any longer. So the default mode network and the salient network were shut off to such a degree that looked like the person was taking cellosybin. It looks exactly the same, right? But they're not ingesting any cellosybin, which is crazy. Is it possible then that if their economy of energy in the brain has been more prioritized, what's happening in the cells? And we discovered the cells are actually working at a way more efficient level, like a difference between burning a log and jet fuel. The cell is just way more efficient in the way it processes energy. Then we saw that everybody noticed the decrease in pain as we started looking for those endogenous opioids or opiates, natural brain relievers. 100% of the people that we measured were making their own natural morphines, their own pain relievers. The cells were deconstructing and reconstructing at the same time. In other words, there was an enormous amount of change going on on a cellular level, problem flammatory factors and anti-inflammatory factors happening in the cell was regenerating in real time, you know, changing in real time. And then we saw those different compartments so the brain that were divided and segregated and compartmentalized, firing in a more unified way, the modulation, the compartments were more holistic, not just in a few people in the majority of those people. So we saw these dramatic changes, those are a few of them, they're more, but we saw these dramatic changes taking place. And we published the paper, and as I said, you know, it's gotten such great acclaim in a very short amount of time. No matter where we are in the world, but by around the fifth day, the fifth day seems to be, you know, unanimous at that point. Right around the fifth day, there's just, everybody is beaming, everybody is joyful, everybody's loving, everybody's kind, everybody's caring, everybody's connected, supportive, and you see people change people. Everybody's grateful, there's like everything that their survival instincts what they came with, somehow was gone. So there's this kind of euphoria where they're very present, very relaxed, and very awake. In the feeling probably would be this kind of euphoria. When the language specialists interview people that have had these transcendental moments, the most common word that they use is, I felt it or I feel it. Like the feeling is the most pronounced word, it tends to come up, and the feeling in this divided into two categories. One feeling is very somatic. Like they say, I could feel it in every cell of my body. I could feel like my top of my head blew off, or there was energy like light and coming out of my fingers, or my heart exploded or turned on like an engine. It's very somatic. Like they'll be like, wow, that was nothing I've ever felt before. I can only use metaphors to be able to explain like this moment. And the other side is very emotional. They'll say, I've never felt love like this in my life. Like I thought I knew what love was. This is next level. It's not chemical. It's something else. And they cannot find the words to describe that feeling. 'Cause they're like, it was connection, but it's not as like I remembered that I was, I forgot that I'm love. You try to find the words. And as I said, there's this kind of sense of change that takes place where you don't feel like the same person any longer. Many times, as a side effect of that, a person has a very dramatic change in their health. There's something that they had that they no longer have. Like they get an upgrade. Like the body's lifted by a new energy. And they'll say, yeah, I had this condition, like Parkinson's, I no longer have it. Or I had eczema all over my body. I don't have eczema anymore, whatever. They have some type of change in their health too. I've read the testimonies. I've read all of these things. And I've heard about it from so many people who attended your retreats as well. People say that there have been tumors, which has disappeared. They've gotten their cancers better, diseases got reversed so many wild things. What is one transformation, which you feel, even till date, even you can't believe it. Like it's an unbelievable transformation story and you don't have a justification yourself. - I can think of two. - Okay. - Now one is from a young man from India that was diagnosed with muscular dystrophy. Now if you get on the internet today and you Google muscular dystrophy and you look at routers or you look at medscape or you look at any of the references, they'll tell you that there is no cure. There is no cure for muscular dystrophy. This guy came in a wheelchair. He came into London and he left the event walking. And I just, I watched his testimonial in one week I must have watched it 50 times 'cause I just, I could not believe. And this guy's story and he was so authentic in the way he was saying the way I feel right now, I haven't felt this way in 14 years of young guy. And his parents didn't wanna tell him he had muscular dystrophy when he was young because they didn't wanna like ruin his life. And then as he got older, he started falling and then he couldn't walk and then he wanted to put in a wheelchair and then they told him, the doctors told him you're gonna get worse. And he was just on the search and this journey and then he came to London in a wheelchair. And he's walking around in his life right now. I mean, it's insane. That's one story. And then we had a woman that was diagnosed with colorectal cancer and the typical procedure for that is to surgically remove the colon and the rectum. So they took out nine centimeters of her colon and rectum. Now when you lose that part of your body, you have to have a bag because you can no longer control your bowel function. And on some level you lose your dignity, right? And so she spent the majority of her time next to a toilet her whole life. She couldn't walk. She told me she couldn't be more than three or four meters from the toilet because she had to go back there and sit on it all the time. Anyway, now they told her you're gonna live with this, you're too old, don't expect any change. She didn't accept that. This is a crazy story because it has challenged my belief. She told me that she started doing the work and she's thought maybe I could grow my rectum and my colon back. And everybody told her she was crazy, right? And she did the work, she did the work. She did the work. At a certain point she told me she was able to do, she told me I couldn't do a meditation and get through it. I'd have to go to the toilet in one minute or two minutes and I would just do my minute on the toilet. She said, and she said, one day I was able to do my entire meditation without using the toilet. That's all she needed. And then the next thing, you know, she was able to become more mobile. And then she decided to come to a week-long retreat, and she just thought, "I don't know how I'm going to do this, but I'm going to come." She sat through every single lecture, and every single meditation without using the toilet. She went back to her doctor after that, and she grew five centimeters of her colon back. Went on the scan, but I'm not done. She continued to do the work, and continued the process. And she stood on the stage, and she grew 10 centimeters of her rectum and colon back. After she got nine centimeters of her colon and rectum surgically removed. Now, what does that mean? That means the human body. It has the innate capacity to regenerate itself at any age, if it's given the right information. I mean, growing tissues that are part of an organ that have been surgically removed, growing that back. I didn't even want to say anything publicly about that, because it's not easy for people to wrap their mind around it, but no different than a salamander or an octopus. She was able to restore tissue on her body, and she just came to an event a few months ago, and she's living her life. That's a strong footprint in consciousness, because that means that if she can do it. Well, what's happening? I do think that it's a very long journey. I mean, it took her a few years to do, but she never gave up. When you're in the meditative state, if you know exactly how to do this, if you can open the door between your conscious mind and your subconscious mind, and your subconscious mind is your autonomic nervous system, autonomic meeting, automatic, or autonomous. It's functioning independently of your conscious mind. It has an innate intelligence, right, to restore and repair and regenerate. So if the door is open, and you're able to provide the autonomic nervous system with the right information, and intention is that information. The intention will serve as information, and the autonomic nervous system will take that information and begin to manufacture chemicals and hormones that begin to restore and repair the body, to regenerate it in some level. It's got to be very specific. I saw the scan. It's not like a rectum and colon that has scar tissue and partially developed. This is like a brand new regenerated juvenile, opalescent, beautiful tissue. It's crazy. Why aren't they teaching this in medical schools? It's really interesting. You have a lot of data and a lot of research is to prove it now. Well, I mean, again, the conversations I'm having with universities are very different. I mean, the department had the chair of the department of anesthesiology at the University of California, San Diego. We're talking about doing a course for medical students at the school there on the mind-body connection. And the reason that's important to me is that this work is not for everybody, Rosh, you know? Some people, my mother was like traditional medicine. She believed in her doctor and whatever her doctor said she would do. I don't want to force this down. Anybody's throat, but the faculty there is thinking in a really profound way. Because let's say you decide to become a plastic surgeon or you become a brain surgeon or you, you know, you become an oncologist, right? And you're exposed to the course that we teach where you see all this crazy stuff. And you have a patient that shows up in your clinic. And the person says, I was diagnosed with this condition. I want to try this meditation stuff while I'm getting my treatments or while I'm getting, you know, I want to work with you. The doctor's not going to say that's not realistic or that's junk or, you know, I'm not going to see you or discourage the person. The doctor's going to say, you know what? I saw the data when I was in medical school. I saw what's possible. I mean, I don't know enough about it, but I'll help you if you want to do it. But let's just make sure we test you every few months. Let's make sure that you're progressing in the right direction. Now that doctors encouraging the patient and engaging them in a way like, go ahead, but, you know, let's do what we do. And let's see if we can go from point A to point B like so many doctors now when they see that when their patient shows up, they all say the same thing. When they do the, see the scans, they all say the same thing. I don't know what you're doing, but whatever you're doing, keep doing it. That's what they tell their patients now. And now we're having enormous amounts of physicians and researchers showing up at our events. They're just blown away. Yeah, it's pretty exciting time. Yeah. You know, when you do more meditations, I was eating somewhere when you get closer to all of this. You have, you start to develop a good relationship with death. You're not scared of it anymore. So are you scared of death? Not really. No. What has changed when you were young and not exposed to all of this stuff and probably 40 years later today? Yeah. God, I've lived so much life. I do think, I do, I mean, it's taken me a while to believe that I'm eternal, but I do believe that we're eternal. And if you're eternal, gosh, what is there to be afraid of when it comes to death, right? I mean, I've had some mystical experiences that have changed my view of death in some ways. So I don't know. I think it, I think what we've been programmed to believe about death is not what it really is. The things that I'm really fascinated with, I've always been fascinated with from the time I was 18 years old because my dad asked me to read this book. It's just kind of these near death experiences where people, you know, have a near death experience. They review their life or they see their life from a different perspective and they come back, you know, and they tell their story of what their experience was. I've never heard a person who had a near death experience say that it was horrible. They said 100% of the time they were so much love and they felt they were bathed in some light or some frequency that somehow was profoundly healing to them. And it changed the way they, when they came back, changed the way that they saw life. So I think we have to just redefine our, you know, our, our programming around what we think death is. And I think that the more you interact in consciousness, I think the more you, I think the more we see it differently. At what point do you think intentions, meditation, who will, the power of the practice of what you do, will be able to defy death at some point? Will it be ever? And taught the delay deck? I think there are timelines, you know, more probable timelines for certain people. I think there's a soul that's involved in our life, you know, and I think the soul negotiates certain things before we enter this life. But I do think people change timelines when they, when they decide to change. In other words, in some way, they're reborn as a new person in the same life without having to die, you know, and they become somebody else, right? And in a way that's a, the birthing process sometimes is uncomfortable, it's painful, and they kind of emerge, you know, as a different person. And so they're on a different timeline than the timeline where they were diagnosed with a certain condition, I'm using that as, or a certain timeline where they're going to have a certain experience in their life that could lead to their death. They're on a whole different timeline that can change their, they change their, all of eternity, change their future in all of eternity. And I do think, you know, there's a realistic element of the soul where, you know, it negotiates certain things and, you know, people have to fulfill those, you know, those obligations. Let me, let me ask you something which a lot of my friends and I struggle with. Okay, it's another personal thing that I grew up with, with seeing a lot of problems in my family with regards to finances. We almost grew up with financial insecurity. I've seen my dad struggling to the tea. We had nothing, we had to change houses. There was fights in the family for finances. moment they had little money and then we had to leave the house and live in a very small apartment with me, my mom, my dad, my brother, and break a joint family. Then we came back, then my father started making little money and then his factory got burned. Like there was fire in the factory. So then we lost again. So I've seen like lore of turmoil and I've seen a lot of fights in the family. And now in last couple of years, I've seen a lot of abundance where I've started making a good amount of money. My father's started making good amount of money. We all live a good life where finance is no more problem. But still there's some sort of financial insecurity in my head. And that tells me that I want to make more money. And I'm completely honest about it. But then it's almost like when you say that you want to make more money, people try to put guilt on you. It's like, am I allowed to say that by doing all the practices that you say, by doing manifestation, imagining a better future for myself, by creating the abundance self. If I use these techniques and strategies and everything, the practice and meditations, if I use these things to attract more abundance, is that wrong? I don't think in terms of writing wrong most of the time. I think that you either believe that you're the creator of your life or you don't. And I really don't care. People come to our work for all kinds of reasons. They come to get healthy or to heal. They come to become wealthy or abundant. They come for love, a relationship. They come for a new life, a new career. They come for a mystical experience. They come for a community. It doesn't matter to me what why people come. I think the divine accepts all possibilities, right? But what is important is for them to learn how to create. And if it's abundance, so be it. If it's health, so be it. If it's romance, so be it. It doesn't matter. But what I will tell you that most people who actually create the life that they want, they finally reach the life that they want. The first thing they do when they reach that life is they become very generous. They want to give everything that they've worked so hard to create to someone else or make a difference in someone else's life, to make a difference, to have a vision or a mission or a purpose that's bigger than them. So what we discovered though is the reason that people really come more than anything else is for wholeness. Imagine you feel so whole that you no longer want. Imagine you feel so whole that you no longer have that lack where you feel like you need to make more money. So wholeness then, how could you want when you feel whole, right? It's impossible. And that's kind of a great state to be in because when you feel whole, that's when you no longer have to get up and work so hard to do something to get what you want. When you feel whole, somehow things come to you, right? Instead of creating from lack or separation, creating from wholeness just shortens the distance between the thought of what you want and the experience of having it, right? And when you be able, when you're shortening those distance, this is as you're proving to yourself on some level that you're the creator. Now, to answer your first question, children and young people that are exposed to their environment, which is primarily their caregivers, whether it's their parents or their grandparents. We have neurons in our brain called mirror neurons. And mirror neurons are empathy neurons. When you feed a baby, you kind of pick the spoon up and you go like this, you do that. And the baby opens their mouth. You don't think you're doing up. You're doing that. And the baby is actually modeling your behavior, right? So that's a fundamentally simple one, a lioness who's training her cubs had a hunt when she's stalking the predator, the prey, the same circuits in the brain that the mother is using, the lioness is using to stalk the prey, the same circuits are being primed in the three cubs. She's priming the brain for that behavior, right? You're exposed to your parents and you see a lot of financial hardships. That is what's going in. The younger you are when that happens, the more starts the program, people subconsciously. Why? Because when you're a child, your brain waves are a lot slower. And the first, the 12 years, seven, the 12 years of your life, you're not in beta. You're in delta, theta, and alpha. And so there's no, there's no editor. Everything's going in without being encoded in any way. It's just going straight in, right? So unencoded, nothing's going in unencoded. It's all on some level, making its way subconsciously, right back to the subconscious mind. So money is the root of all evil. We never have enough money. We have to work hard to be a success. That is the information that's going in subconsciously programming a person. So a person who's exposed to that may make up their mind and say, I will never, ever live my life in lack. I don't care if I have to study and get 10 degrees. I don't care what I have to do, but I'm never going to live like my parents or never going to live like in lack like that. Other people just go, that's just normal. This is what my reality is. And I can't get any better than this. It's program in their subconscious. It turns out the subconscious mind runs the show, right? So the person may consciously want to be wealthy or abundant, but they're subconsciously programmed into, you know, the experience of lack, right? And so what is what is what is the soul's journey then? You may think, oh, the person should become abundant then. No. What it really is is the person should change the program. And when they change the program from lack and they're no longer in that state any longer, the abundance is the side effect of their change, right? So I have no opinion on abundance. I think everybody should be abundant. But what is your definition of abundance really for me? It's having more than I need so much more than I need that when I give you something, it's not a big deal because I know that I have way more or I can make more or create more. So I don't have a problem giving abundant people do not have a problem giving. Now some people may have a definition of abundance where they want to be able to do whatever they want with whoever they want as many times as they want, where, you know, wherever they want. That's totally fine with me. But in time, if you're truly on the path, your definition will always change, right? And because you think abundance is just about an abundance of money. What about abundance of time? What about abundance of freedom? What about abundance of love? What about abundance of friends? What about abundance of mystical experience? Abundance of opportunities. You don't have money. You need opportunities. Abundance of synchronicities. Abundance of virtue. I mean, we should never limit our definition of abundance to just be about financial wealth. People say to me, well, I have this great idea, I want to create this business, but I don't have any money and I always say to them, why do you need money? You need opportunity. What's the opportunity that you need? Focus on the opportunity. Forget the money. People just have, they have it framed in a certain way. And then the last point is, is, is your relationship with money? I have a great relationship with money. I've always had a great relationship with money. I've always felt like I always felt like I could create money. It's never a thing for me. But I have a good relationship with money because I'm really clear. And then what I want to do more than anything else is I want to be loyal to the people that are loyal to me. My team, my staff, I grow, you grow. That's my, I want everybody around me to love their job. I want my children to feel like they have more than they need their adults now. But I don't want to, I want them to understand how to create that. And I want, and I want to be able to have people who love their job and work for me, share the same mission and vision. Like we're making a difference in the world. Like that's, that's a vision that's bigger than me. Like it's not about me any longer. I never want this to be about me. I want it to be about you. I want you to prove to yourself that you can do it. And when you arrive there, the first thing you're going to do is you're going to go into your parents' home and you're going to say, take this. And then you're going to go and see your, your family and say, I want to, I want to do this for you. And that's exactly what abundant people do. I've watched it happen. People in our community that were bankrupt, that were running from the authorities that came out of jail that didn't have two dollars to rub together. These are words they all used. You know, multi-million dollar people right now. I was at a restaurant with one of them. This guy was in trouble. He was running. And he just had a huge change. We created all this abundance. And he was wearing this beautiful gold diamond necklace. And the waiter was watching him the whole time. In the end of the meal, he took the necklace off and he handed it to the waiter. He just winked at him. The waiter was freaked out. And I looked at him. He said, I create another one like what's the big deal like what is the big deal right so Your definition of abundance should never stop evolving as you evolve And so frame it in a way that's inclusive Frame it in a way that like everybody that's created abundance in our work They realized like oh my god. I just thought it was about money. No, no, no When I started thinking about the what I wanted to create for everybody was no longer The selfish motivation the highest form of motivation is duty motivation or mission motivation Where you're you're considering the whole making a difference and just just not about you When you get up in the morning and you have a mission It's very different than when you get up in the morning and you have to make money You I'll tell you the definition I have with the abundance I almost have sometimes I think about have created this where I give a lot to my parents to my family to the people who are working with me and I But then I also take that as a duty and a responsibility that I need to be working so much And I need to create so much more so that I can Probably give it to more people and help more people and it's almost like It's constant battle in there one side. I'm like I'm doing it for people and it's good that I'm creating more wealth for everyone Around me and then at the same time I'm like Like if if not me then who will do it? Yeah, so I think I think that You'll evolve with that. I mean, I'm a very generous person But I also I only will I only will do it when I feel like a person is ready Or they're they appreciate it and and I think the greatest form of gratitude That you'll ever ever receive in your life is when you receive gratitude from somebody else That's the greatest feeling when you a person is authentic and it goes my god you change my life So I think there's timing and there's order and you need to you know, there's a kind of a moment where you know And because I think human nature then people become dependent On people who give and then that doesn't feel good and you longer so I think you're young enough and you know open enough where you've created a certain amount But I think your discernment and knowing when to do that and who to do it with will just continue to evolve because Sometimes it's not about family Sometimes it's just finding somebody on the street and just saying hey come on. Let me just buy you a cup of coffee and feed you like I think those like when I study near-death experiences When people review their life the most important things that they say Or not the amount of money they make or any of that stuff It's just that moment where they change someone's life Where that person was struggling and they just said the right thing or did something for them at the right time And they saw that how that changed that person and how it changed how they were with their children And how the children changed and how their timelines changed and everything changed Because of that moment so I think it works in mysterious ways right it doesn't only have to be with taking care of the people that we love Because if we're doing it out of obligation or we're doing it for any other reason then to truly give I think it'll ultimately change it Do you think top 0.0 1% people Were the top athletes the World Cup champions the Olympic winners the the entrepreneurs the multi billionaires Do you think these people they go to Retreats like these practice gratitude. Yeah, meditation. I can tell you that for a fact Absolutely or do are they like why are differently to just keep sort of winning certain thing and be obsessed with what they have and don't even care about all these It's very difficult to categorize at this point But I will tell you I've sat with billionaires more than one And the first line they said to me is we are miserable We are in agony. We are we can't even enjoy a sunset And I have sat with professional athletes that have come to our work that have a standard of excellence That is so high And so precise and they're still unhappy in their life and I say take that same discipline and turn it in on you Turn it in on you not like not like your craft not like your Sport but turn this turn it in on you when I tell you to open your heart when you get your brain organized Take what you've you've developed in terms of great habits and skills To get you where you are and now turn it in on you and make yourself a work of art make yourself your project I I've interviewed like a lot of these people and I asked them these questions and and a lot of them believe in visualization But almost nobody has talked about anything beyond that Is that is is there a reason they don't talk about it or is there do you think they don't do it? Are you talking about athletes searches anybody? She's to anybody who is it like top 0.01% of their game whatever the game they playing? Yeah, I think the majority of those people spend a certain amount of time alone Which I think is so healthy. I'm I spend a lot of time alone. I need that Because the rest of the time I'm serving and they're always learning and always going back breaking down what they've done And going at it again like rebuilding it again. They have a model and they just say, uh, you know, I've done this really well How am I going to get to the next level for me? Okay, it's no longer about who I'm competing against It's about me, right? So if you look at just use a professional athlete as an example You you have a professional athlete run a 40 meter dash or 40 yard dash the majority of them run pretty much pre-close to the same speed Well, what makes that very small percentage of a professional athlete great Is their mind is just that willingness to stay a little longer Go a little go again work it out not get frustrated the athlete Who loves the game? Like really loves the game when they have a great shot They love the game when they have a bad shot they just say Uh, I still love the game. All right. I'm going to try again like they don't they don't undermine themselves with a bad attitude or a reaction and that's been cultured in them And so what comes with that is a lot of humility, right? Instead of arrogance what comes with that is a certain level of self-awareness Now what comes with that Is an uncompromising will What comes with that is understanding that you have to put in your time you have to put in your time And where where you may want may want to stop may not be the point to stop, right? There's just that next level and we've all done this in our life where you're just like I'm not satisfied. I got to go again Yeah, and I think that's how people heal also is the same thing. It's the same Principles at work true Okay, here's my last question it is lovely talking to you if If somebody's watching this right now wherever they are in maybe a good state or a miserable state if You want them to just pick up one conversation or one thing from this entire podcast What would it be and what would you want them to feel? Not think not believe what you want them to feel after listening to this conversation Maybe like nothing changes in our life until we change And change is the most constant thing in the universe and you could either wait for the crisis The trauma the diagnosis to change you know when you're at your lowest level You can learn and change in a state of pain and suffering or you can learn and change in a state of joy and inspiration Either way the model is that when you change your life changes so If you can invest the little time in your life in asking yourself the important question Who do I want to be In my life. How do I want to live my life? What do I want in my life instead of turning on your cell phone getting distracted Discipline yourself to take an hour to answer those questions right it down Review it change to get very clear on it and spend a certain amount of time Nurturing whatever that dream is think of the people in your life that you admire And start behaving differently start making different choices think about the choices that they may make and how you may want to make those choices And then and then a certain level you got to trust the unknown Because for most people it's a scary place, but the unknown never lets us down especially if we have to believe in ourselves So I don't think anybody is so special To be excluded from this you can't tell me you're too old to do this work I've seen our elders with beautiful brain scans and beautiful hard scans beautiful biological changes You can't tell me you're too sick to do this work. I've seen really sick people heal from all kinds of conditions You can't tell me you're too broke. I've seen people manifest all kinds of wealth in their life You can't tell me that you never meditated before, I've seen people that never meditate before have beautiful changes in their biology and in their life. And you know, you can't even say I've had a miserable past. My life is falling apart and it'll never, ever work because I've seen people come from really, really horrific pasts and live a completely different life. So try it out. Like try it out. Just dedicate a certain amount of time to investing in yourself and believing in yourself. And be defined by that vision of your future instead of the memories of the past and make time to tell the story of your future instead of the story of your past. And see where that leads you. One coincidence, one synchronicity, one opportunity is going to prove to you that you're the creator of your life. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you so much for doing the work which is impacting millions of lives. And there are so many people who are seeing magic happen because of what you teach and what you do. So thank you so much for keep doing it. And I just want to say this that maybe during the conversation, I must have felt like a synch at some point, but I'm a big believer of visualization. I'm a big believer of creating your new reality. I sit down with myself very often almost every day where I think about how I'm going to create my future and what that reality looks like. In fact, before every part, because I was almost rehearsing in my own brain and I could see you doing certain things like snapshot and all of that and it happened. And I'm, thank you so much for doing this. I'm a big believer of visualization. It has impacted my life a lot. No, of course you are. I mean, you're the example of it. I think you're, you were speaking to the critics that really will argue for their limitations on some level and it's healthy to do that because I'm a practical person like my, my mother was a very practical person. And it's, it has to be practical. It has to, you have to on some level understand that it could possibly be the truth. And what if it was the truth? What if it was the truth that you could create your life or you could uncreate something in your life and recreate something else in your life? What if it's the truth? So I appreciate that. I understand why you do it and I'm aware that you are. Thank you so much. Hey, God. That's nice to meet you. He's gone and coming here. Thank you so much for watching this podcast till the end. 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