Dr. Jill Biden: It Will Only Be One Date!

[MUSIC] It was really hard, I think, for me, firstly to understand addiction, to understand it was an illness, because I kept feeling like my God, we gave him everything, we gave him a good education. He couldn't be more loved. You know, he has a great family. He has, we live in a great house. Like, what more could we have given him? >> Somebody got to cue me or do I cue myself? >> Here you're soft. Okay. [MUSIC] Guys, guys, listen up. Listen up to what I'm telling you right now. First ladies love us. >> They do. >> This is the official podcast of First Ladies. >> I think so. >> They like our podcast. First, Michelle Obama. >> Huge. >> Now, Jill Biden. >> Amazing. >> Okay, we need to get Hillary. >> Hillary, come on. >> Lara? >> Yeah. >> I mean, I don't know why I'm on a first name basis because women, but here I go. Although when Hillary Clinton was on the talk show, she said, "Call me Hillary." >> Okay. >> So you're going to ask Jill what to call her right? >> I just called her Jill. >> Dr. Biden. >> I'm going to call her Dr. Biden. >> Okay. >> I'm going to call Dr. Biden, Dr. Biden, or maybe Dr. Jill. >> Okay. >> If she wants to get personal. I still feel like when people go to school for that long to receive whether it's an MD, PhD, what have you, they've earned the title. >> Exactly. >> Agreed. >> I'm very excited about having Dr. Biden on today. >> Yeah. >> If Hillary get classes us up. >> It is classy for us. >> It gives us a grovy toss, which I believe is a fancy Latin word, meaning balls. >> We're pretty sure. Am I right, Albert? Did you look that up? >> Yes. >> Thank you. I got to get all the cursing out now. Although she's a Jersey girl, I bet she's probably used a foul word here and there. >> I think so. >> Yeah, she did. I read it in the book. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Jan, Dr. Jill Biden has held many titles. Teacher, Dr. Best Selling Author, Advocate, Mother, Grandmother, Wait for It, Great Grandmother, avid soul cyclist, Albert, just like you. Oh, yeah. Did I mention First Lady of the United States? >> Big title. >> It's a big title. >> Huge. >> She's just written a new book called "View from the East Wing." It's a must read. This book is really great. First of all, we've asked a lot of this woman. She's raised her family. She came into a ready-made family that was broken, broken, living in trauma. She watched them live out the most challenging moments of their lives. And she had to do it publicly. >> Yeah. >> Most of her life has been in, you know, not only as a teacher, but also standing alongside a public servant, which makes her a public servant, whether she wanted it or not. And she's kept a sense of humor through it all. She's kept her grace through it all. And I just think she's a real class act. >> She is a class act. >> I hope it rubs off on some of us in this room. >> [LAUGH] >> Not to name names Albert. >> I think she's ready for us. >> Is she ready for us? >> I'm excited. >> [LAUGH] >> Hi. >> How are you? >> Hi, Dr. Biden. It's so good to see you. >> Nice to see you. Thank you. >> Congratulations on the book. I loved it. >> Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. >> I was talking about the title, the view from the East Wing. Dr. Biden, tell our listeners who may be too young to remember when there was an East Wing. Do you remember the East Wing? >> Yeah, Kelly, do you? >> Yeah, I do. I sure do. I've been in the East Wing and I was very sad to see it go. And I wonder what that means to you, specifically, because you were a very busy, very active first lady. And I'm wondering what that means to you. >> Well, I love the East Wing. And I think when you went to the White House, that was where you would enter the White House. So I would see families come in and they'd be so excited, and they'd be taking pictures. And then they'd walk down the hallway and I put up pictures of art, of military kids. >> Yes, you made a very interactive, right? >> Yes, yeah, that was my whole point. You know, I'm a teacher for 40 years. And I thought we can't have just these pictures on the wall. People who come in need to hear, like FDRs, address on the radio. They need to feel the marble. They need to see pictures of people they identify with, like, the first ladies, Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama, Laura Bush. So when they come in and they say, "Oh, I know her. I recognize her." So I made it all interactive. And so when it was being torn down, I mean, people were sending me photos. And I think you probably read in the book, my description. And it felt like a rare and precious animal that was just gutted with its gut hanging out. And it was heartbreaking. It was heartbreaking for all of us, especially the way it was done. It seemed like an uncover of darkness in the middle of the night, sort of torn down. And then once people started taking photos, then, like, big fences and walls went up as if that was supposed to make it less horrific. >> Right. >> Yeah. So I want to start because one of the things you covered in the book early on, and I was glad you did, because I remember the day this op-ed in the Wall Street Journal came out, the rage that I had, that I became so incensed with this, I'm going to use a word. And I feel like because you know New Jersey, you spend a lot of time there. >> Mm-hm. >> Yeah. >> I'm going to use a course word in front of a first lady. Is this okay? >> Of course. >> This asshole, just an Epstein, from the Wall Street Journal. This guy had a real problem with using your title, Dr. Biden, that really bothered him. And it really got into his knickers. And he called you Jill, and he called you Kitto. And I feel like he called, in that moment, I felt like he called every woman that has fought her way and worked her way up the ranks, no matter what her career was, I felt like he called me Kitto. He called me little girl. He called Jam Kitto. He called Ashley here Kitto, which Ashley is very young, so it almost fits. [LAUGHTER] But I wonder, how do you keep your composure in moments like that, in a moment like that, where this guy, who dare I say, has no educational bona fidees, beyond whatever, you know, he went to journalism school. I'm assuming I don't know. I don't know anything about him, but I know that he felt this need to try to diminish your accomplishments, and it filled me with rage. >> Well, it was so disrespectful. And you're right, it wasn't Jill Biden, he was really attacking. It was all women. And I fought hard to get my title. I worked really hard to get a doctorate in educational leadership. And he was saying to all women in positions of, you know, authority, doctors. I mean, can you imagine him saying that to, how about Dr. Henry Kissinger? >> No, he wouldn't have had the courage to say that to a man. He would not have had the courage. >> No, he wouldn't have. And so a lot of like Martin Luther King's daughter came out and said, you know, she worked for that title. I mean, a lot of people came to my defense. And I feel like a lot of women were infuriated. And especially women around my age who've been putting up with this for so long, you know, working so hard to get to, you know, higher positions. And then here we are having another man just push us down, push us down. And I was glad that women stood up and really responded. And defended me like you would never say that to a man. >> Never, ever. So no, okay. I don't want to dwell on Joseph Epstein. >> Or any Epstein for that matter. >> Yes, that is so true. >> Yes, very good. So let's start at the beginning. Take me back to 1975, okay? And tell me about this blind date you go on. Okay, so Joe called me in the middle of a Saturday. And he calls me up, you know, out of the blue. And he said, you know, this is Joe Biden. And, you know, I'm free tonight. Would you like to go out? And I said, well, no, I have a date already. So he had the hoots, but I say, do you think you could break it? >> Yeah. >> So I said, I don't know, call me back in an hour. So he did, I broke the date because I thought, well, you know, I'll go out with him. It'll be one date. I mean, he was 10 years older. I was at the University of Delaware. I was a senior. And so I thought, well, you know, I just want to see what he's like. I was just curious. >> And 10 years older when you're a senior in college, he probably seemed like a real grownup. >> Oh, for sure. And not only that Kelly, but I'm telling you. So I wore, I mean, you can imagine it was the 70s, right? I was the guy's I dated were bell bottoms and tie-dye shirts and clogs, long hair. And so he came to my door and I opened the door and I took one look at his perfect suit and his leather loaapers and I thought, "Thank God this is only one date." [laughter] It's because I had never dated anyone like that before. Anyway, we went to Philly, Chess Nutsreet, there was a theater there and I never, ever expected to be attracted to him or like him or anything. But it was very charming as you know and that was the beginning. At that time, unfortunately, I mean, Joe had lost his first wife and maybe daughter in a car accident and he had two sons. So I think maybe we went out maybe one or two dates by ourselves and then after that, we went out as a force of Joe and me and Bo and Hunter and it was like so natural and so beautiful. It just was like it was meant to be. Was it daunting for you at that young age to sort of, you know, he's already a US senator. He's gone through this trauma, this horrific trauma. So you're stepping into this role, there's two little boys there. Oh yeah. So you're trying to tap into, in your heart and in your mind, was that like why it took five proposals before you said yes? Yes, because not because it was so daunting, but I have to tell you, I fell in love with the boys instantly. I mean, they were just so little and loving and so when Joe kept asking me to marry him and asking and asking, I had to make sure because they had already lost one mommy, you know, in a car accident. And I couldn't, I loved them so much that I never ever wanted them to feel the pain of a divorce. So I had to be absolutely sure that this marriage was going to be until death to us part. And so that's why it took me so long. So can you tell me about the final proposal like when you finally said yes? Sure. So he went to Africa on a farm relations trip with the Senate and he said, when I come back, I want your final answer. So I, you know, he was gone like five or seven days, I don't remember. And I kept thinking, oh my God, should I do it? Should I not do it? I mean, I, you know, I just, I wrestled with it. And he came to the door when he got home and he came straight from the airport and he knocked on the door and I said, oh Joe, come on in. And he said, no, I'm not coming in until you give me your answer. So I sort of hemmed and haught a little bit and I said, okay. And so that was it. You were sisters, but they're younger than you. Did you discuss it with your sisters? Did you discuss it with your mom? No, no. No. It was, you know, I, I mean, I felt like a big girl. You know, I was like, right, right. I graduated from college or, you know, I was graduated by them, but yeah, not really. No, I knew I had to make up my mind myself. So getting married to a man with two small children is a lot for a young woman fresh out of college. But also now you are a politician's wife. Did that factor into your thought process at all? We were talking about this before you logged on. I have the internal fortitude. Or do I have the tolerance to be a political spouse? Would you say when they go low? When they, so you know how, when they go low, something will go high. When they go low, I go into the frog shits. I go so low, I go, I will dig a trench and go low. I tell, hello, I am willing to go. So I am the bad, I bad personality for this. Well, you know, I was really very introverted. I had never taken a course in political science in college. I mean, I literally almost had to look up like, what does a senator do? I didn't know. I mean, you know, so it was hard for me to go into a room and extend myself to people. I would usually hold back, you know, and Joe is so gregarious and wants to talk to everybody. But eventually, the one thing I learned was that people were taking my reticence as kind of my being a loof, which I wasn't at all. I was just kind of shy and introverted. And once I realized that, I started to make myself reach out. And once I started doing that and feeling more comfortable with it, I think, you know, but it took me a long time. I mean a long time. I never wanted to go and make speeches. I would get so nervous. And it takes a long time when you're talking to so many people or, you know, people coming up and saying, what about your husband's position on this or that or they're attacking you for something? It was a lot of new experiences, but I feel like I grew with all those experiences. And sometimes they were hard, but I'd come home and Joe would be like, no, no, you're doing great. Don't worry about it. Don't listen to that person or whatever. So he was always very supportive. Where do you think? And I have to say, I think you're both so well suited for each other because I met President Biden, Jan, when he was then vice president. And Regis was retiring from the show. Oh my God. And your husband came on the show. And it was a time of great, like we at the show were terrified. We didn't know what was going to happen to us. You know, we really didn't. It was a very scary time. Yeah. You know, the leader of the show is leaving. What are we going to do? What's going to happen to all of us? And your husband has this empathy thing that is extraordinary. It's like his, it's his superpower. And he came out and it had been a parade of people that were coming on the show to say goodbye to Regis one after another after another. And it was almost like I was a spider sitting in the corner, you know, after a while, you just sort of like you're pulling yourself a spider sitting there, just sitting there like just watching. And your husband came out and he greets Regis and he goes, I want to talk to you. And he was so kind to me. And so brought me into the conversation. And then when we went to commercial break, he really, he was so encouraging and reminding me that I will be able to carry on the show without the leader of the show and that I will be. And he did. And he was right. But at the time, I didn't believe that. And he sort of sensed that in me and gave me a heptalk that I needed. And so I am forever, forever eternally grateful to President Biden for that kindness and attention he showed me at a time where I like, I didn't realize I needed that speech. I just thought, you know, I just thought the show would be canceled and we could all go home and forget about it. And I was wondering does he, did he, did you meet him where he was compassion wise or did you learn to have more compassion from being married to him? Sounds like you came to the table that way if I'm guessing. You know what? Because I didn't have the experiences that he had. I mean, I think losing his wife and daughter really set his priorities straight in life. I mean, he knew what was important and what wasn't important. But I think he always his whole life, I think he connected with people. But I think this idea of empathy and compassion really probably, I think that's why he was elected president because I think so. Remember, it was during the pandemic. Of course. And everybody was suffering in one way or another, whether it was mental health, physical health. You know, we were just stunned by this whole COVID-19 and I think that's why people felt his strength as a person, his inner strength. And also he understood their problems if they didn't have enough food or if they didn't have a computer or they didn't have access to health care. He understood problems. And remember, I mean, we're both from the middle class and I think that had a lot to do with it as well. And he understood really the challenges of the working class. You know, his dad was working class. I was born in Hamilton, New Jersey right near Atto where you are. Blueberry Capital of the World, Albert. Yes. Blueberry Capital of the world. We all know that. So I do think there's something to that. When you grow up a certain way, when you grow up with working class, background, family, you do have a concept even if your life goes beyond, even if you someday become president of the United States, you actually understand what it's like to live like a real person. Yeah, you're grounded in that. You're grounded in it. You know what it's like to worry about the prices of gas or food or you see. You saw your parents struggle to pay the bills or not have any of that extra money. So Joe had that in his family. I had that in my family. I mean, neither one of us is crying poor, believe me. But we did, we didn't have extra. - You understood. - We didn't have extra. Ever. You know, you had one pair of sneakers. You had one pair of church shoes. And plus you never really asked your parents for those kinds of things because you knew that they couldn't afford to give it to you. So you didn't ask. You know, that was part of it. - So we're gonna jump through a little bit and you're living your best lives. You've raised the family and then in, was it 2015 when your son boat passes away from. - Yep. - Glueb lastoma? - It was, glueb lastoma, brain cancer. - Yeah. - It's a horrible diagnosis. - Horrible. - Horrible. - So take me inside if it's not, you know, I don't wanna like retraumatize you, telling these stories, but you are going through this very publicly. How do you respect his privacy because the way you write about it, Bo was very private. - Yep. - So you have to respect his privacy, but also there's gotta be this, you know, the two of you taking shifts and sleeping by his bed and how do you comfort one another? How do you comfort your other children? What is going through your mind when all of this is happening? - Well, you're right. I mean, I was second lady and I was teaching and Joe was, you know, vice president and Bo had two small children and we didn't wanna make a big public thing of it because, you know, I mean, you don't know how kids are receiving negative information and you know, how they're gonna take it. So we tried to keep it pretty quiet. But yeah, we, I mean, we were at the hospital all the time as were, you know, our other children and it was, it was, it was hard. I mean, because Bo would be sick and we'd go to church and he'd, you could see he had had surgery. But people respected our privacy, at least here in Delaware. They, you know, nobody came up and said, oh my God, what has happened to your son? People were very respectful and kind. And, you know, I have to tell you, like even the Secret Service, you know, you think they're like these big macho guys and they, you know, they're intimidating. But honest to God, they were so kind, so kind, just a kind word, you know, it's gonna be okay or are you okay? You know, that sort of thing. And it was these little acts of kindness that quite honestly, that helped us get through it. So I think, you know, you have to really, sometimes just, I don't know, believe in the goodness of mankind, you know, that we, and which is, I think sort of flipped a little bit today. - Yeah. - But back then, I can honestly say, at least in the state of Delaware, I truly felt loved. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - It's interesting reading your book. It felt like I was reading about another time. Like, it felt like I realized you cover many decades because of, but when you talk about your recent time in the Oval Office, it was not that long ago. And yet it felt like we're talking about the 1800s. Like I can't even really, because of the normalcy of it all and the empathy of it all and the propriety of it all and the reference with which you and President Biden treated the office and the obligations that you had to the constituency of America. And it was almost like, it was such a beautiful read. I was very wistful as I was reading it thinking, will there ever be a follow-up to this book? Will there ever be a time where we crack open a book and talk about the rules and norms of political life in this way again? I hope so. Yeah, because I think one of the things that I think Americans loved about our administration was that we respected tradition. We respected institutions. We realized that there were three branches of government, separate but equal. And we respected all of those institutions and the people in those institutions. Joe had a disagreement with somebody in the Senate or when he was VP or President. I mean, he would know more, like start calling them names or making fun of them or whatever. I mean, it just wasn't the way. This wasn't the way of America. None of us grew up like that. We went through a lot of trauma and we lost President Kennedy. We lost RFK. We had the Vietnam War. I mean, I know I'm older and I'm taking us back. And I know there were tumultuous times, but it never felt as toxic, I think, as it does today. The people feel like they can just say anything to you at any time. And I think people now feel because of the leadership that's in there now that they have kind of permission to call people names. I mean, somebody, I was just in the airport the other day on my book tour. And somebody, a woman, I mean, out of the blue, I'm just walking through one gate to the other. And she yells, you know, go Trump. Make America great again. And I just looked at her and I thought, where, what's wrong with you? Right. You know, why did you attack me? I mean, you-- From walking through an airport. It's walking through an airport. What is the point of that? But do you see how people feel like they have permission to say things or do things? I think it's obviously, you know, it starts at the top. So there's that. And also, I think that these social media companies with these very, very rich, disconnected billionaires do not realize that they have broken down the way people live in their day to day. So people don't have normal social skills anymore. The way they use-- the way we are sitting and having a conversation or sitting down and reading your book instead of, like, doom scrolling all day long. So people are very disconnected. They don't write letters anymore. They don't pick up the phone and talk to each other anymore. They don't sit face to face and talk. And so I think a lot of these social media oligarchs have a lot to answer for. So it's-- I do as well. Yeah. I do as well. So let's talk about becoming first lady. Like you said, it was a very crazy time in this country. And when you came in, you write in the book, I found this so interesting. You just naturally were going to keep teaching because you've always taught. That was your career. Yeah. And it was suggested to you, like, oh, you better-- I'm going to miss a quote you here. But are you sure you're going to keep teaching? And you're not going to take a salary, are you? Which-- Yeah, I saw it. --feels kind of quaint now, if you think about it. No, that's true. I knew-- well, I taught a second lady. But when Joe was elected president, I said-- I went in. I said, I'm going to keep teaching. And some of his staff said, what do you mean you're going to keep teaching? Like, why don't you do volunteer work? I said, no, I have a career. I am going to keep teaching. And I am going to take a paycheck. Look, I am too old to start to ask my husband for money for, you know, pantyhomes or something. [LAUGHTER] You know, it's really ridiculous. Like, Joe, can you give me a little money this week? I mean, forget it. No. I strongly believe that women have to be independent. They have to be able to stand on their own two feet, have their own careers, and have their own money. Because you don't know what's going to happen in life. You could, like, what happened to my daughter in law Halley? I mean, Beau died. Here she was left, you know, with two children to raise. Or what if you're going through a divorce? I mean, what do you do then? You know, you have to be able to support yourself and just maintain your own career. Because my career, I loved being first lady. I loved it. But I also loved teaching. And for me to go into the classroom two days a week and be Dr. B in that classroom, just teaching English, they didn't treat me like first lady. They didn't ask me political questions. They treated me as their teacher. And it was so funny. because the first day of school I wasn't they didn't put my name on the roster anything so the no none of the students knew that I would be their teacher So the first day they had to put their book bag through you know, mag they had to be mad of course and like the students would be all like oh my god I said look don't worry about it. They're not looking for drugs. So your drugs are safe They were like oh thank god, so that first day they were like oh my gosh look who our teachers the next day they could care less they were like using the at word in the classroom right they didn't care that I was first lady I was their English teacher and I love that that they trusted me and that they treated me you know like who I am their English teacher It was just a beautiful part of my day very funny anecdote in the book where she can tell that one kid is like on his phone He's not supposed to be a video as he's on his phone and you walked over to him and he's googling her He's googling Dr. Biden trying to get like familiarize himself Like it was just warmly Oh my god, it was so funny. It was so but we both first outlapping it was so funny So I also love all of the scenes of you You know she goes to schools and teach but she's got it, you know Albert. She's got to get to a gala. Yeah at night Yeah, so she's like running to the bathroom, you know right there on the campus to change into the gown Put on some makeup and get to whatever Event she had to go I mean many many times and many many times. I'm sure you've done that too. Oh, I have I have yeah They have to get a bathroom somewhere where you're like oh my god. I just I'm praying nobody walks in I remember once I had to I had the opposite of this I had to be the class parent from our youngest son's pre K class And the kids had seen me a million times at the school But I had to run right from work to the classroom So there wasn't time for me to pull my hair back into a ponytail wash all my makeup off So I just ran to the school from work and we were sitting there and one of Joaquin's friends looked at me and said Are you wearing a mask? He'd never seen me with makeup on He thought I looked very strange Or glamorous one of the other But I think he thought I seemed strange, but it seems surreal to Live in the White House and Michelle Obama was on this podcast and she was talking about how a President Obama thought that he was a really neat and organized man and she said you're not neat and organized you have a valet Yes, organizing everything. Yes, the first lady have a valet also No, so that is true about the president like his shirts are like Perfect in perfect color line type the shoes are shined every day Perfect in a row. I mean sometimes I was like just marvel at that, but Yes, and so you should see his closet now Did you ever try to shake the secret service like did you ever try to get out from without them knowing? Yes, I did and I have a funny story so It was Christmas time and so Santa was in his costume going around and I was was the great well somebody was the Grinch So they were going around together So I had her come into my office and I changed into the Grinch costume and then I was walking out of the White House And I thought you know what I probably shouldn't do this because if they find out Somebody's gonna get fired. Yeah, right. Right, you know, and it was It worth that I mean it was worth the laugh, but it wasn't worth somebody's job. It would have been funny though You sneak Grinching out yeah with those green and white striped tight Really fun costume. Yeah, I usually do a lot with wigs even on the airplane. I used to do that I would put wigs on wigs and I this is what I did actually in one of the last years it in the White House We were on the plane. I put on a wig a short black wig. I put on the Wings, you know for the pilots and so I had a tray of ice cream and I went back and I served the press ice cream bars And they didn't even know it was me It was just So I served them all their little ice cream bars and cones and stuff and once I started walking out I churned around and I pulled the wig off and then they were like I love to do pranks. I love to do pranks. Speaking of ice cream I need to know about the food in the White House. Of course, of course What meal you regularly had all of it. I'm obsessed with it. Okay So Joe loves chicken parm and he loves pasta So we would have chicken parm and pasta a lot and you would have dinner and the it was at the yellow room and you would say Yes, the yellow oval upstairs and we would sit by the fire and I mean it was beautiful up there You know you could look out and it was just beautiful. So that's what we would we'd have dinner together almost every night so We need to do it there or in the tennis pavilion. There's a Pretty little room down there to try to have a little privacy But you know I they were great cooks. I mean really they were Doctor Biden tell Albert about all the snacks and stuff. Yes, I can't David Oh my gosh So we have I mean anything you want you can order so I mean if you want to cheeseburger or you Well, the beautiful thing was they knew me so like I mean they knew me well so we'd walk in and The fire would be going and they'd have our favorite music and then they'd say Doctor Biden would you like a picture of sangria? Yeah, but we love it Yes, so anything you wanted would be there they'd hope oh they made these best homemade cookies That would be on the counter for you they wanted to make life you know, it's a military base So it was like with military precision. I'm assuming oh yeah with military precision and they would serve us and take care of the house and They were just really and truly amazing as you know I mean you know American military and you know who they are so they're just amazing people How is president Biden feeling how is he doing? Now it's time for a new segment. We like to call first day face off parent versus kids Brought to you by Walmart. This year Walmart's back to school has the styles kids want not just the stuff they need And it prices parents love that's a win-win in my book It's your go-to back-to-school store for all your school supplies and tech like headphones tablets and accessories And don't forget they have sneakers and apparel including school uniforms just everything So shop back to school at Walmart Jan classes in session back back to school time yes show of hands who has the tougher job the parents or the kids parents No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm the hill jam I'm not sure remind us again how many kids you have elements Very relevant I was a kid and I know I am the voice of children today. You're the voice of today's children are stressed Kelly No, but seriously you're not the one who has to do the shopping and the shopping for the hard part because all the kids have opinions They want what they want and it's it's a lot of work for the parents and it's not just like you don't have to just go get supplies anymore Like we got a trapper keeper I got a pair of clogs and that was like that was calling the outfit now you need to get the outfit in the shoes It's a big priority for kids. That's true. They want the good stuff. My boys definitely it was a priority. I'll give you that I'll give you that point. Come on. Oh my gosh. See you have two boys A girl like having a girl jam we used to have to put a lock on the door and pick out for outfit They know what they want they have very strong opinions Walmart always has everything that your kids want and before you say Kelly you don't shop at Walmart. Yes, I do Right now they have like all the things that are in right now that butter yellow the western boots They have like all the cool Jersey like sports gear. Yeah, they've got everything one cart one shop You don't have to go to 50,000 places. I wish they would open a super store here in Manhattan That would be amazing Walmart if you could just find the time Getting your hearts to build a super store that would be great But I like shopping on the app the app is easy. Yeah, it's super easy. You can do it, you know Yep, you do it while you're sitting in traffic sitting in the back of a cab Mm-hmm. Yes, and counterpoint which is a good one. Yeah, the kids have to live with these choices all year Kelly That is a good point, but it doesn't make that harder for the kids by the way It's so reasonably priced you can actually afford when your kids grow out of their things. - Yes. - Which is, we can agree constant and always. And, you know, I think your kids, when they feel good about how they look, there's a certain level of confidence and a certain ability for them to carry forth with their day. - Yeah. - Don't you agree? - Yeah, exactly. And because you're not picking between like, what they want and what you can afford to swing, it works out for everybody. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Totally. And they have this new thing now with Walmart Express delivery on the app, where if you forget something, they can get it delivered in under an hour, which is amazing. - Just, parents saves time, saves the money and the kids get exactly what they want. - So, Dave, by the way, Albert, if I didn't know any better, I'd swear you have a kid. (laughing) - Listen, maybe the real answer is that nobody has it hard. Maybe Walmart just handles everything. - Albert gets the gold star. - That's it, Tori. - That's the auditorium. - That's the value, Albert. - Class dismissed everyone. Thanks again to Walmart for sponsoring first day, face off, parents versus kids. I love Walmart. Look, getting your kids ready for school can be chaos. But instead of running store to store, smart parents get it all in one place. Walmart has the styles your kids actually want at prices you'll love. Nell the first day look with styles that match every kid's vibe, starting at just $4. Forgot something, no problem. Walmart delivers last minute stuff in as fast as an hour. Be the parents who get it right on the first try. Shop your kids back to school, wants and needs at Walmart. (upbeat music) - How is President Biden feeling? How is he doing? - He's doing okay. You know, when we got out, he was diagnosed with stage four prostate cancer. And, you know, for anyone who's listening, I mean, really, that diagnosis, you can be cured and you can go through radiation or whatever, you can be cured and you'll be fine. Unfortunately for Joe, it metastasized to his bones, which means that he will forever live with cancer. And we have to keep, you know, we're have to be mindful of it every three months, testing and medicines. And it's, you know, anybody who's gone through this cancer journey, and I've been through it many times with members of my family, of course, who's, you know, it's constant, it's daily. And I think it's challenging. - A lot of people were adubious thinking that it was a big cover-up, that everyone knew that, you know, that you must have been covering for the president and known about this diagnosis. And we here at the podcast, my father about six months before president Biden's diagnosis was diagnosed with the exact same thing. And so when people were like, "There's no way you can't know." Oh yes, there is because they don't test men over 70 years old for prostate cancer. And so it can be living there for all of those years, growing slowly, slowly, slowly, and eventually metastasized. And my dad was in a car accident and thought he injured his back because somebody was texting and driving and hit him from behind. - Oh, I'm sorry. - And if he didn't get into that accident, I don't know what would have happened because he thought he just heard his back in a car accident. He didn't realize that it was the cancer in his bones. So I'm grateful for the car accident, believe it or not, because at least we were able to treat it. But I'm sure their treatments are exactly the same. - They probably are. And all of my friends would tell me, "Oh, my husband was up so many times last night." And then I would say, "Oh my gosh, well, so was my husband." And he wakes me up and all that kind of stuff. And it was just like when we'd get together. And that continued when we got out. And I said, "Jo, you know, I," and you probably read this in the book, I said to the doctors, "He's getting up seven times a night." - These are the White House doctors. - Yes, so I thought it was addressed, but like you're saying, they were following the American urological association guidelines. And so they didn't give him the PSA test, the blood test. But when it continued when we got out of the White House, I said, "Jo, we've got to go up to Jeff in Philly." And something's wrong. And so we did, but I never, oh my God, I never thought it would be prostate cancer. - But you see the difference with the doctors at the White House versus Dr. Biden, who got it taking care of, like I said, you were like, "Okay, now you're in my hands." - Yes, yeah. - But you mentioned your family. And if this is too much, please tell me, but how is Hunter doing? And if you would talk about him going through his addiction, and I'm wondering if the grief with watching his brother go through so much, do you think that exacerbated the addiction in some way? - I for sure think it did exacerbate things. I addiction affects so many people, and it was really hard, I think, for me personally, to understand addiction, to understand it was an illness, because I kept feeling like, my God, we gave him everything. We gave him a good education. And so you tend to look at yourself and think, what did I do wrong? How could I have done this better? And once you're going through rehab, after rehab, after rehab, and you're not getting answers, I think it's really, really hard. But Hunter has overcome his addiction, if that's the right word. I mean, you've probably heard him on podcasts. Now he openly talks about addiction, which I think is helping other addicts see their way forward and helping families understand that it is a disease. - Understand it, yeah. - Exactly. Because it's really hard to understand when you're going through it. But now he's doing, he's helping people in recovery. He's been in recovery, I think, I forgive. It's eight to 10 years now. He's remarried. He has a beautiful little boy who he named Bo, who's six years old now. I mean, he turned his life around, but it wasn't easy. And it was years and years and years. So I want to really try to encourage anybody who's listening to get help and get to a counselor. And a lot of other people have struggled, many thousands have struggled with addiction. And it's really tough. - I have sort of a final question. - Uh-huh. - And I fear the answer. I really do. I fear the answer. I don't know, Jan. Really? (laughs) Do you think we'll ever see a woman president in our lifetimes? - In my lifetime. Well, I'm 75. - Yeah. - So, you know, I feel like, probably not in my lifetime, Kelly, but maybe in years. - You think? - Yeah. I mean, you and I believe in a woman president. I mean, you know, it's like-- - No question. - No question. - Yeah. - But I really did think last time that Kamala was going to win. I mean, I was out on the campaign trail for her. I saw the excitement. I saw the crowds. I saw, you know, at the convention. I mean, I saw all the energy. And I thought, finally, we're going to have a woman president. And I must tell you, I was shocked the morning after when I got up at five o'clock in the morning to feed Willow and get ready for the day. And I found out that she had lost. I mean, shocked. - Yeah. - But I said, we can't, I don't know what it is. Why is it? What do you know? - Why is it? - So I am less hopeful than you are. I don't know. I'm hoping that at a certain point that that turns around, I don't know what it's going to take. I don't think social media helps. I don't think-- - Wow. - I don't know. I don't know. - But we can't get up hope. I will never get up hope. - I will never keep trying. - I will always keep trying. I will always keep trying. - From New Jersey, come on. You know, I will always keep moving forward. I just, you know, I just feel like there has to be something internally. There's got to be a messenger eventually that breaks through the people. - We're the messengers, Kelly. We are the messengers. - I'll try you try. - I will. - Thank you for being on our podcast. I absolutely loved, loved, loved your book. I want to encourage everyone to go out and read. View from the East Wing. - R-I-P, the East Wing. - Yeah, all right. - R-I-P, East Wing. - I'm overlapping, but it's serious. - I know. I mean, you have to laugh otherwise. >> I really appreciate you spending time with us. Please. >> Of course. >> If Mr. President our best wishes here. >> I will. >> And your entire family. Thank you, Dr. Biden. >> You too. Yeah, and your dad. >> Thank you so much. I appreciate it. >> Yeah. >> Lots of prayer. >> Thank you. >> Bye-bye. >> Bye, Dr. Biden. >> Bye-bye. [MUSIC] >> Let's talk off camera with Kelly Ripa is a production of Milojo Productions. From Milojo, our team is Kelly Ripa, Mark and Swalos, Albert being Keeney, Jan Chalet, Seth Bronquist, Ross Therian, Devon Schneider, Michael Halbrin, Juliet Dash, and Team Radio Andy, Lisa Mantineo, Michael White, Shakira Perez.