Doughboy Tyke Tells His Life Story (Full Interview)

for those in the audience. Getting to know you here for the very first time. Yeah. Care to share where you were born. Born and raised in St. Louis, Missouri, by way of Kenlock, Missouri, first black city and Missouri. St. Louis represented, so yeah, STL out there. And care to share where you reside these days. Well, I'm back and forth from St. Louis, Miami, and Atlanta, you know, right now doing a whole lot of work. So I'm rolling right now, you know. And do you recall the age yellow left St. Louis for the very first time? Um, I would say the first time is when I went on a road for my break the knob pro motor and that was around probably about a decade ago. Yeah. So we started pushing that record for about two years. So yeah, probably about 10 years ago, 19 years ago. And do you want to put an age on that? Um, around 2021. Yeah. But I was, I mean, well, 2021 is when I moved, moved away. Um, I stayed in Atlanta for a while. Uh, 17, 18 is when I sort of really started like running the street city to city types of really being gone for St. Louis. Got it. And what took you out initially the 17 18 age range? Uh, really just networking. Um, I know a lot of people in and out of state. So me just getting into the music game. I really want to be my feet network with people in and out of town. Cause St. Louis is not really a, you know, music-based city, like Atlanta or, you know, Carolina's things like that chilling circuit. So I really wanted to get out, move around a little bit, bump elbows with a lot of people and just network. Now when it comes to St. Louis in that area, say that one more time. So it's Kenlock, Missouri. Which is, you know, a part of the St. Louis is like a small city in St. Louis, a town in St. Louis, you know, so that's like the hood. My hood Kenlock 50 700 shot out to the whole squad out there. Uh, but yeah, it's, it's in St. Louis though. So we still represent St. Louis at the same time. At what age range do you think you were in Kenlock for? Could you put a era on that if there was all the way until 17, 18, like deep, deep in the streets here. Like as a kid, that's, that's why I was born and raised that. Now for you, growing up in that environment, specifically Kenlock, and doesn't get anymore specific than that, speaking of specific. Yeah, that's definitely specific as it gets for sure. What was the top point for you during your upbringing in that environment? What was your highest point or most positive moment growing up in that area? Most positive moment, um, shot out to Gucci. I actually brought Gucci man to the hood. Um, this was around the time I was like 16, 15, 16 years old. We left the show. He wanted to see the hood. So I brought him to the hood. He brought the yellow carpet to the hood. And, you know, the whole hood came out. It was crazy. And at that time, you know, Gucci was, he was, he was on top of his game with the mixtape platform and stuff like that. So it was big to, to have him out there in the hood as, you know, and the poverty-stricken area like that. Everybody was fascinated. They got to see somebody that they don't normally get to see, you know. Now prior to that, were you doing music already? Yeah, I was actually doing music, uh, with my brother, Ron. Shout out, young Ron. We was, you know, in the studio daily. He was really, it was a mantra I took up after him. He really inspired me to get, get to the music, um, at the, at the time he was working with baby Huey. They was on the road a lot. Me and a couple of my homies, Fuji, KTY. We started our little group back then. And, you know, we was trying to just get in the studio and be like our big brothers at the time, you know, so that's what really got the influence started. Was there a name for this group? KTY. KTY. KTY, young. Shout out to foods, man. Shout out to my boys. Yeah, we had, we had a time back then. It was our first little, little click running around the hood. So, so was this like a actual group in the sense of like Travis Porter or was it more like a click, like a Wu-Tang clan type of thing? Yeah, it was more like a click, um, because roughly after that, you know, we started doing, we started off doing a lot of records together and stuff like that, just because, you know, we scrapping up on money here and they're going to the studio, we might as well knock the shit out together. Um, but right after that, shout out to my brother, FujiB. He started his solo career, which I helped him, you know, beat the streets with, and then we moved to my solo career to where, you know, we started with Break the Knob and different records like that, little hood records that started to get some traction and then, you know, it was up to me. Now, you mentioned Rome here and you mentioned the phrase brother. So, are we talking figuratively here or literally biologically? Same, same mom, same dad, you know, so that's actually, I got nine siblings, brothers and sisters, that's the only one that's the same mom and same dad, so we super close, you know, so I am my brother's keeper, shout out to my brother, young, wrong. You say brother's keeper, but who's the oldest between you two? He is by two years. Well, a year and eleven months. So we get that, that, that one month, I'm December 29th, January 19th, we get that, that one month of a year apart, so. And out of all your siblings, was it just you two in the music on the music side of things? Yeah, yeah, definitely just us two. Growing up, it was mostly just me and him at home with my mom, my dad wasn't really in the picture, so, you know, he really took over that big brother role in my life and really showed me the game and things like that, so it was me and him every day out there. Now, he's described as a manager, height man for baby Huey at the time. Was he a recording artist himself at all? Yes, he actually was. He had some good notoriety songs too. He had a couple records with two chains, a Mac main, a little chucky, twist, a bar back in the day when he was with SOD Money Gang. He was big in my space area, you know what I'm saying? Like back then in those days, he had, you know, some buzz that was really on a mixtape, seeing a lot, you know, following up from Huey Project, things like that, so he had a lot of connections and stuff. He moved down to Atlanta, actually, for about five, six years when we was, I was, I was around 15 or 16, he moved down to Atlanta, for a couple of years before he came back home, but he was, he was having a music. Now, let's take it all the way back here when it comes to music for you. Why, or how, did you get into that initially? You've already shared a description about, you know, this group, we're a click as specifically we're clarifying here, but before any and all of that, how did music initially start for you? I mean, I always love music, I always had influence from music, but I feel like at that time, that was the, that was the dope thing to do. You know what I'm saying? Instead of being, you know, just letting it go from the trap selling dope, you know, if you're an artist and you pushing and, you know, you getting that notoriety around people as an artist, then, you know, that was the cool kid shit back then. And I didn't really play sports and under that, so I figured, you know, just the only other thing I'm gonna do to make it out, you know. So for you, just to be clear here, was that just natural experimentation for you to do? Did someone push you to do music? Because it's one thing to, you know, just listen to it and be a consumer of it. It's another to actually jump the hump and actually create and record your voice and things of that nature. So I feel like it just came natural with me being around music so much. I start taking it as a hobby. And then like I said, I bumped into Gucci, man, shout out to Gucci. After we linked, we actually went on a road. He took me on a road with him a couple of times. Put me on this project. I'm going to ice attack too on work your wrist. So that right there, just opened my eyes a little bit more to really push me to go hard with music after that, taking it from a hobby to actually doing something serious, you know. Now, when it came to the Gucci man side of things, was that an organic experience or was that business at first and then maybe it turned into something more? No, it was totally organic. I say I was 15 years old. We met in the club actually. So I snuck in the club and he was like, I heard him, overheard him say he wanted some weed where do we that? So I actually, my homeboy has some weed. I got some weed from gave him some weed. He was like, damn, how old are you type shit? I'm like, I'm 15. He was like, damn, this crazy. So we just sat there and chopped it up for a minute. I'm telling them about saying Lewis, getting them hip on the city scene like that, you know. And shit, we just built the connection. I got his line after that, kept in touch, you know what I'm saying? And one day I was like, yo, what up? What you got going? He was like, shit, I'm down here in April up. And me and my homeboy, we hopped in the whip and shot down that line. You know, like you got to think at this time, this one of the biggest hood artists in the game, you know. And I'm 15 years old. So, you know, it already blew my mind. And then just by having that connection like that, you know, I was like, fuck, let's go. So was that song that ended up being on that project recorded when he said pull up to Atlanta? Yeah, actually, they told me basement. I never forget. We went to actually went to Gucci Mama House first. We went to eight over their chill, met the family, went to say house. He was working on it. I was like, yo, that's hard. You want to get on it? I'm like, damn right. Why wouldn't I? So, yeah, it was history. I didn't even know it was going to make the project. Then when the project came out, this was a little bit after I had got locked up. So we kind of parted ways and was distant. I got lost my phones and shit like that. So it was hard for me to connect with him from St. Louis to Atlanta with him being who he was at the time and, you know, me being my age and things like that. But, you know, the project came out and somebody was like, "Yo, you own a new Gucci man, bro." I'm like, "What?" I went crazy. I went and comped up. This was when we had CDs. When I grabbed a CD through it in, and, you know, I was on there, so that was huge for real. Did you try to get in contact with him as soon as you could after that? Yeah, definitely. I end up getting back in contact with him. He had came to St. Louis for one of our yearly concerts. We used to do super jam at the radio station in St. Louis, so, yeah, me and him connected. It was a couple of years, about six, seven years after that, but yeah, we end up connecting back in. It was all love back then when we linked up to Shoutout to Gucci, right? And was there any other music recorded between you two back in those days? It was record sent back and forth, but not nothing that was finished, you know. He got busy. I got busy. Like I said, I ended up going to jail for a little bit. I did a little bit. And when I came home, it was hard to connect back with the artist like that. And then at that point, it was like, he had already taken off, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, it was hard to really connect back with him, but when I did send him, it was all love. So, you know, Shoutout to Gucci, he opened some doors for me, so. I didn't care to share how much time back then, you ended up doing. So my first, my first bit I did when I was in juvenile, I did about seven to eight months and then I did house arrest. After that, I ended up doing about a year and a half, and then I did like some medium security time. So, it was all for, it was all for drug cases, but Shoutout to my lawyer, we beat every case, no felon. I can probably say that shit with my heart, no felons. Paperwork solid, you know, so, Shoutout to my lawyer, man. Okay, and can you just break that down a little bit because you said like seven, eight months in juvenile, then you said house arrest, but you didn't put a time on that. So right after I left juvenile, it was directly to house arrest. So I did house arrest directly after juvenile and then probably about, how much time on house arrest though? House arrest, about six months on house arrest, I'll say. So, seven, eight months just in juvenile, then six months of house arrest. House arrest too, yeah. And then about two years later, I did about a year and a half, and then right after that, we went to medium security facility, it was right after, you know, being locked up. So, it was like a transition point before you got to the streets. What was the year and a half in? It was in Feds. So, it went to the Feds and then like medium security would be like in your state, you know, so you would do that while you're going to court and stuff like that before you go home. So, the Feds was just a holding facility? No, this was the holding facility after the Feds. So, the Feds and then the holding facility before I got released and let out and stuff like that. So, just for clarification, okay, for those in the audience, I might be a little confused because you mentioned you're not a felon. Yep, no felon. So, how does one do a year and a half in federal? I was fighting the case at the time. Got it. Yeah. So, I was locked up. I didn't have, you know, at the time, it was a class 8 felony because I got caught with drugs and a schoozoom, so it was a class 8 felony. So, like the bond process was crazy. I actually got let out and I had a bell bison in which some bullshit happened and bell bison didn't get paid and I actually got locked back up through the bell bison and from a fucking, um, was a bounty hunter. So, I got locked back up and then they revoked my bison, so I had to fight the case in jail at the time. So, that was fucked up. Now, all these cases, you mentioned you beaten because you beaten these cases, do you get anything back for that in the form of, okay, all this time was taken away from you? It's for no reason. And then, yeah, you get no time back. Do you get, is there any sort of, I mean, can you sue the counties that this took place and can you sue the government for this, can you, is there anything you can get back? You can. But, at the time, I was so young, that wasn't on my mind. My mind was like, fuck this, I'm out, I'm out, I'm done with the people I ain't trying to go back. I don't want to sue fuck that, I'm going to be me, you know, and do my thing and stay the fuck away from them. So, I wanted to stay as far as possible from jail, like that I would wish jail on nobody. That shouldn't cool, no matter what, straight up, man, if y'all out there, man, stay away from jail, I'm telling you, stay out to streets, but ain't nothing that, you know, don't, don't give you shit, but jail, or jail, or death, you know? And also, I wonder, rewind to something here too. You mentioned, you had a plate at Gucci, Maine's mother's house, you recorded in Zaytovans basement. Um, now, some people in the audience have heard of these places, but never had the opportunity to visit them in person. What were those experiences really like? Can you get, you know, as detailed as possible, like what she cooked for you guys, what did the basement look like? I was a southern, a southern dish she had. It was chicken, greens, I think macaroni and cheese, cornbread. I believe we have some fire, that's a cool thing to say too. But it was crazy because I wasn't hungry, but I know, like, I had been to the south already, so it's, you know, southern hospitality, you take the food, you know, you know, now I'm not hungry. Like, that's, that's kind of disrespectful, so I took the food. I wasn't even hungry at the time, but I started eating and she was so good, killed the plate, knocked that out, um, I say later on that night, we went to Zaytovans crib. I didn't even know we was at Zaytovans crib at first. So we, when we walked in, we walked straight downstairs, he had like the couch and all of that studio set up down there, and I just sat down, started rolling up, you know, I'm smoking, smoking, whatever, and he was, he went directly in the booths. They was already at the, at the table playing a beat. He went directly in the booth and started going in, and he was like, hey, Zayt, take that back. I was like, damn, you know, your name, Zayt told me, like, yeah, I'm like, okay, my name is Don't Boy. I'm from St. Louis, introduced myself, and that's when I really figured out who he was when he was sitting there and, and God said something, but it experienced, man, it was mind blowing, especially to be that age, 15, 16 years old, you down here with a artist at Gucci Stent, like, you know, he was, he was that guy back then, you know what I'm saying? This is when, you know, the ice attack makes tape stuff like that was coming out, what else he had? He had the street nigga record was going crazy at the time, I remember that because he performed that actually in St. Louis the day before, or two days before I went down to Atlanta, but yeah, that shit was crazy. It was mind blowing. Like I say, you, you don't see a lot of artists like that in St. Louis that make it. So you, you don't see all of the time, okay, this is something that's feasible that I can grasp that I can do, you know, but just being in that situation that opened my eyes a lot just to show me that, you know, this music shit can't really happen, you know? And organic at that. Yeah, and organic at that, you know, I wasn't, it didn't come from no other ties, no other elbows rubbed, it was just me being me and, you know, linking with the legend. Because there are stories, people in the audience have heard this sort of thing where, you know, it's a business transaction at first. Like, you know, there might be a, I might be a feature or a show or a page show, you're booking Gucci main in St. Louis or you want to verse from Gucci main while he's in St. Louis. So you've spent some money with him and sometimes people that do spend money. The relationship turns into an organic experience at that, there's no more money involved that they're touring on the road together, they're in the studios together. They might actually sign one another to, you know, and it, so there's stories of that. So just for clarification, just trying to get the story straight from you here. Yeah, it was, it was totally organic, like just bumping into him, linking up with him and being real and me being 100, like, we just clicked, it was good. And when it came to you being in Zatovins basement, just to clarify here as well, Zatovins would be making a beat from scratch for Gucci man and Gucci main would just freestyle to it and punch in and that sort of thing. Yeah, punch in. I think the first record that he did, he punched down and then he wrote something, he did like five or six records that night. I don't know, I believe one or two of them might have been from scratch, the other ones he was just pulling up that he already had and he was going through them, like, y'all pull it up, y'all pull it up, you know. Yeah, I seen him making one from scratch, definitely, like, and it was that classic, you know, Zatovins sound too, like that she was mind blowing, sure. Now any other memories of those humble beginnings for you on the music side of things? Uh, that you want to share? That you want to share? The biggest ones was after my record break the knob started doing, taking off a little bit, I did Super Jam at home, like 40,000 people went out, did the record, did my new single form and like shook the stadium and it was just like, it take your breath away just to be in front of that many people and get that type of reaction from your music, something that you created, something that you gave to the people and it's just humbling. I love it. I love to be on stage. I love to perform and that was one of my biggest shows to date, so that was crazy. We've been talking about, uh, rap pretty heavily here, just with your, uh, beginning roots in the music, but was rap the first genre of music you ever encountered in your life that you can remember? Was it even something else before it got into? Yeah, it was always hip-hop, like I always hang with a lot of OGs in my hood. I really never hung with people in my age. So, you know, we used to really be deep into the hip-hop, the old-school hip-hop, old-school R&B stuff like that. And, you know, it just gave me the thought of even doing music and then seeing my brothers now, you know, pursue the music career, things like that. You know, it was just natural for me to hop into the game, I feel like. Any prominent artists or songs that you can remember when you first started getting into that genre of music there? Um, an era that I loved that influenced me a lot was Lil Wayne when he was doing the squad up mix tapes. Lil Wayne, his squad up days, everything from SQ1 to SQ7 to the squad up mix tapes. Like, that was shit that I would play every single day, you know what I'm saying? Like, the whole hood used to play, like, that was one of those was like the records that my hood loved back in the day, the squad up shit like that, those freestyle mix tapes like that. That's what we was on back then. What do you think it was about him and those mix tapes back from that, uh, drew you in? I mean, it was all raw. It was like, he, like, say, for instance, the 10,000 bars mix tape. He did straight through 10,000 bars, like, you see somebody do 10,000 bars. Switch a beach back and forth back and forth and just every, every song is just hard raw and crazy as lyrics, you know what I'm saying? Like, that was, that was what we wanted to hear. We wanted to hear them, them spicy lyrics that shit that really hit you, them, you know, double-eyed times or shit like that, that, that's really dope, yeah. And with you at this point, musically speaking, do you write or freestyle and punch in both really? And just depending on how I'm feeling, I might go in, I might, a lot of times my first record that I do when I go to the studio, I usually punch that in just to get the, get my flow going, get something knocked out real quick, get my energy, my juice is going in then from there. You know, it just depends on how I feel. Maybe I'm, you know, wrote a hook, maybe, and then go in and punch two verses or I might like this verse and I like that verse and then go back in and write a verse or it just depends on how I'm feeling really, whatever makes the process better. If there was a circle chart though, of 100%, what percentage would you say overall speaking when it comes to your music is written versus freestyle and punched in? I'll say 50, 50, definitely. And do you notice any difference in the actual music itself, whether you write or freestyle and punch in? Definitely. It's a huge difference. A lot of times when you're actually just sitting there and writing, you know, the stories that can come alive a little bit more, it can be a lot more detail. I figured I feel when I do punch in a lot, it's more so, you know, hood songs or maybe a club record or something like that because the lines are coming so quick, you don't have time to really put that three spaces down and then move this and move that and think about a different line. So you just going in and really just going up the top of the head. And I feel like, you know, the writing, it definitely give you a different creative process to make the song more detailed, for sure. And for historical purposes, were you writing at first or freestyling in punch in, punching in? I was writing everything at first. I used to write everything at first. And then it just, it evolved and got to the point where I'm writing in the booth like, you know, sometimes you go to the studio like back in the day where you go to the studio and we only have three, four hours and we have seven, eight songs, so we're trying to knock them out, knock them out, knock them out. And then you get to a point where you either got an in-house studio, you got a home set up or you know, you're in a hood studio that you can actually chill and relax and take your time. Then I can go in there and do two lines and maybe chill, smoke a few blends, go back in there, punch in, punch in verse and really take my time a lot more when you not have to worry about being on the clock, you know. So what would you say led you to freestyling punch in? Was that natural experimentation or you were inspired by something or someone to start that? Yeah, my brother, baby, you would, yeah, definitely. He started doing punchin' in and making crazy ass records and I just followed up from that one day I was like, I'm going to try to punch in and I did it and I liked it. You know, I got this song done quick as hell and then when my brother really, he ended up having a home studio and he used to punch in too. So we'd be at the crib and he'll knock out a song like that just punchin' in and I'm like, fuck it. Let me try it. I started doing it. It started recording myself and I really liked it. So I'm like, I fucking, I'm going to keep doing it. And just in terms of baby, who he used to phrase bro just figuratively speaking on that side of this. It was like my, him and my brother, like God brothers though, so what was like God brothers, or I peed in my brother. And at this point would you say broke the knob has been your biggest song in your catalog? Yeah, for sure. Top 40 US record features on a lot of different blogs, radio, you know, we did a couple different runs with the record promo runs, chitlin' circuit runs all the way to West Coast shows. I went on the road with a couple different artists at the time. I was on the road with Rich the Kid, dirt couple shows, me and my boy Kasky shot out the Kasky from Kask money. We did a couple of shows together when I had to break the knob run. Yeah, that definitely was the biggest record for sure. If you can recall when it came to the ingredients of that song there, was that written, freestyle them punched in, or a combination of both. A combination of both. I punched the hook and I wrote the verses. Actually I wrote the first verse. Plants didn't have for the first verse, wrote the other half for the first verse then wrote the second verse in the, in the bridge, cause it's a bridge on that too. Cause it, at first it was not a bridge on that or a second verse. All I had was the first verse in the hook at first and then I started building on the record afterwards after we started listening to it like, yeah, it's just one of the ones. So I started building on the record afterwards. And because that is your biggest song to date and that was done both, does that encourage you to continue to do both writing and freestyling and punching it? The success of that song does that continue to encourage you to continue to do both, I guess it's not really. And I would say it encourages me to write more sometimes because even when it came to that process of the song, I kind of overthought it sometimes. So I had to go back here, redo this part, redo this part because when I over think shit, I do too much and sometimes I got to go back and simplify it. So sometimes when I'm punching, it's a lot easier to not over think shit opposed to what I'm writing and I'm really trying to, you know, focus and be super creative to where sometimes I might over think it. And just to rewind once again, those times you were station fighting those cases. Do you recall the names of any of those locations? The Juvenile Stint? So it was St. Louis, St. Louis City Juvenile, St. Louis City. So the medium facility was called the Workhouse in St. Louis. So it's basically like, it's like the county jail, but you're on like 24 hour lockdown. The federal holdover, it was one here, which is in pine line. So there, I was probably half the time and then they moved me twice and then I went to the medium facility. The two that they moved me to, I don't remember the names of them, because one of them gone. It was like, like I said, it was over a decade ago. So St. Louis is really behind times when it comes to shit like that. Like right now, even the Workhouse is gone. It was on hard street, but it was, that was one of the most fucked up spots in St. Louis. Like you're rather go to county jail and go to the Workhouse anytime, you know, or the bed. So you're rather go there than go to the, to the Workhouse. It was, it was like the jungle. You did shout out your lawyer here in helping you with sports, shout out to my dude, Joe Swartz, man. Yeah. Help you with all those cases. Yeah. All of those cases. Actually, the first case I'd be with the public defender. So shout out to the public defender. I don't remember our name, but yeah, she'd be my first case and then my boy Joe took over for the last two. So the first case was a juvenile case. And one last question about, that was a fed case that you beat. Yeah. Okay. How did you beat that because of, you know, on the internet, you'll see like statistics like some percent. Many times the fairs get and all of that. So basically when it came to the fair case, my, my homeboy, GZ, he got locked up also. He was both fighting the same case. He was locked up for like two years after trying to fight that case because he had a prior, a prior charge also. But at the time, I was like 17 years old and they ended up kicking in my mom's crib without no warrant. That's how we ended up beating that case. They didn't have no warrant, they didn't have no surveillance, nothing like that. They kicked in a crib, took shit, locked us up. And they had us in the holdover, like a 20-hour holdover. And I ended up getting out first. And they ended up keeping him because he was on probation already. So then after I got-- went to court, got locked up. I bonded out Bell Barsman. And that's when the Bell Barsman shit fell through. And I got booked the gear for it. So I had to fight it for that side. I don't know if you're able to share or not. But was he able to beat his fed case as well? Yeah, he beat that case. He actually had to do time for the case that was prior from being on probation. And did that same busing in the house without the warrant was that also what saved him in his case as well? Well, with the fed case, yeah. But with the probation case, they had he had the probation violation. So that's what ended up taking him down and giving him his time. When it comes to your upbringing, we talked about the top point. I asked you, what was the most positive moment in your life, your highest point you reach growing up in that specific area of St. Louis? And you shared that already. And we've talked about it on the music side of things. But what about on the opposite end of the spectrum? And maybe you mentioned it already, was going to ask you, what was the bottom point for you growing up in that environment? And was it, in fact, the times you were fighting these cases? And if not, maybe even something worse than that that you faced? I felt like it was really tough when my mom passed. So within, I say within a three year period, my mom passed, my grandma, my grandpa, my favorite aunt passed, and my dad passed. All of them passed within like a three year period. And that's really, it put me in like a dark space at the time. So music, that shit wasn't even on my mind at that moment. But I feel like that did. It gave light at the time of the music did. Because after that, that's when I start really going even harder with the music and grinding even harder and really making it more of a career at the time. How dark did things get for you? Man, I didn't even want to come out the house at some points. Not being able to trust a lot of people, not having family around. It just box you in the corner sometimes. And when you get into the dark place like that, the best thing to do is have people around you that can help you out and give you encouragement. And I didn't have a lot of that. My brother, it was probably the only one, a couple of my old bitches. It was on my side, shout out to them, some of my exes. But I mean, I have a whole lot of people that was giving me a lot of encouragement to even do rap at the time. So it wasn't something that I really even wanted to do when I was in that type of space. But shout out to my brother, shout out to the few that did have my back. I made it out of that and pushed. And even in those dark times, did it get as further as suicidal thoughts or maybe suicide at 10? Always suicidal thoughts. I never took it as far as to attempt in it. But definitely had suicidal thoughts. But after you sit down and you really think, you get into a more of a positive place, you start thinking back on that type of shit. Like, how dumb could I be to add my life over something that's not taking my life? You can keep pushing. You can keep going. Long as you still alive, you still can turn things around. I feel like if you got the mind frame to do it and you're a small person, you can turn that shit around. Everybody grieve, that's what happens when people die, shit. And for you, how did you cope with all these deaths in that amount of time? Man, I don't sit there. I don't sit there, keep the dragons away, keep the fur away. I was smoking heavy, heavy back in the day. We were smoking zips a day, fatties, blunts rolling up every single day. It was smoking was something that ever leave my stress. That was one of the main things we did every single day. Would you consider that an addiction back then? Yeah, fucking yeah. I didn't think it was back then, but it definitely was addiction. Just amount of money that you were add up, spending that much money on weed every day. That shit can really topple somebody's fun. Careers, funds, everything. People don't think that weed is addiction, but when you're smoking at a level that I was smoking is definitely addiction for sure. And wondering here, I was going to say, assume, but wondering, were you also using tobacco products with these items? Oh yeah, cigarettes, blacks, shit, everything, anything that I could smoke at the time. Not like that, but you know. We cigarettes, blacks, all of that, like we used to smoke every day all day. That was my nourishment just to stay away from everything else, every other drug. I wasn't really a drinker back in the day, so I was really just a smoker for real. Because there may be someone in the audience wondering, were you really addicted to the tobacco products used to smoke cannabis, or were you addicted to the cannabis itself? I started with weed and then I started smoking tobacco products. So it was always started with the weed and then, you know, tobacco when I started trying to get off of smoking weed, start smoking tobacco and then, you know, start doing them both together. And right now, I really don't smoke as much as I used to. I smoke her in there, but other than that, yeah, I'm cool with this shit. That shit makes me feel dumb sometimes. Paranoid now. Getting a little older, so I'm trying to stay healthy, keep my body clean, eat good, you know, stay in the gym, shit like that, health as well, and that. And also when it comes to all these people that you lost in that three year period, were these just notifications you would receive for lack of a better phrase, like, okay, so and so past and you get a phone call or that sort of thing. Or did you actually see any of these people lose their life in front of you? Well like my mom, it was a case to where she was, she was like a, like a nursing care situation to where, you know, it was, it was bad she had cancer, she was fighting cancer. So like that situation, every other situation, my dad grabbed my grandpa, my aunt, she actually got killed on the west side of St. Louis, a drive by a shooting, that was like heavily, heavily televised and shit like that, but as far as my family, no, not really, I didn't, I used to get calls like, you know, this happened, you know, this happened, you know, and that's what it'd be, but no, not like face to face in the hood, like, you know, my cousin getting shot at something like that, I didn't see people get shot, but not killed in front of me like that. You have seen people die too, so. So when you say you have seen people die, what do you, like you saw their last breath get taken or? Yeah, I've seen people's last breath, not as far, like, no, not physically, but, you know, being in the hospital with somebody and, you know, the shit go out, buzz, and boom, and you get that flat line, you know, I'm not physically right there next to them, but, you know, just seeing it happen when it's happening, type shit. Could you just clarify that a little bit, respectfully, as you know, she was in a hospital when she passed away. I was at the hospital, you know, right after seeing, you know, the, I'm taking her out, shit like that, not actually seeing that last breath come out, but yeah, I'm understanding people get shot, shit like that, but they haven't died right there. So. And then there's other people that see a person passed away already, but they didn't, they weren't there. You know, body might be on the ground, things like that nature, but they didn't see it happen. Yeah, I didn't see it actually happen. Yeah. Okay. Well, when it comes to your, your mother, I do want to ask you this, and I'm going to ask you this respectfully here, of course, but did you have the opportunity to see her take her last breath? And maybe that's something you just didn't want to see? Yeah. That was some of the time I didn't want to see. So you were given that opportunity? Yeah. I could have been there to see, I didn't want to see it, that was something I, you know, I didn't even like seeing her in the hospital. So even funerals and shit like that, there's a lot of funerals that I haven't went to because I hate to see, like, you know, a person at that, at that, you know, that point being in the casket, you know, having seen everybody crying and shit like that. If I got a good memory of you, I'd rather keep that good memory in my head instead of, you know, getting out of that other shit. And asking because there are some loved ones that want to see the last breath. They want to be there for that, and then there's some like you that make a decision. They have the opportunity to do it, but they, you know, push back against that. And more so, your line of reasoning, they'd rather see them in a positive state than, you know, that sort of thing. Again, using this phrase, you know, respectfully here, where you looking back, did you make the right decision by not seeing that? Yeah, for sure. For sure. Nothing you, what's the word? Nothing you wish to do? Yeah, exactly. Don't regret that. I don't know. Okay. Yeah, definitely made the right move for that. That should get haunchy for real. I'm cool on that. That's what I say. I'd rather see the positive shape, keep the positive memories in my head, and that's it. Now mentally speaking here, we mentioned suicidal thoughts at one point in your life. Sounds like you've overcome it based on your description. But going through that three year period of deaths and things of that nature, mentally, have you ever dealt with a professional when it comes to any of that sort of stuff? Yeah, I've actually had a therapist before, they helped me out. This was a couple of years ago, I was at a place in my life where I wanted to elevate and I felt like I wasn't doing that, but I wanted somebody to speak to that was unbiased. Somebody who really didn't know me, who couldn't judge me, off the fact of me doing this, so they know me do this or whatever, I can just speak freely and have that type of connection with somebody and get the feedback that I wanted to, so they definitely helped me out. Shout out to, shout out to my therapist. And you've only seen one professional, you might have seen them multiple times, but. Well, I've seen them multiple times, but I had two, I had one that I used to go to physically face to face and then I had one that I used to use online, so it used to be like Zoom calls and shit like that weekly. And we had talked, you know, have conversations about how I feel and what's going on, all that type of shit, so mental health is a real thing. Like, if you need to get help, make sure you get help, don't just sit around, you know, because a lot of times the people that you think are the strongest man, that's when they do end up doing shit like taking their lives and shit like that. You need to have everybody back no matter what and then if you do have problems or mental problems that you feel like, you know, you don't want to show these, show certain people, you know, go to somebody like a therapist, you know, at the same time, they can't say shit about what you say in there, like it's legal to do that, so, you know, you can feel comfortable with expressing yourself and saying what's going on. Now how are you able to survive, zooming out here, that upbringing in that particular location of St. Louis, because there are some who don't make it. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, like I said, just having, you know, the people around me, my team around me, you know, support from my family, my brothers, that's where really, you know, I had to open my eyes and see what was really out here, like the world is a lot bigger than St. Louis. A lot of people don't make it out of St. Louis. And I feel like, you know, from where I was, where I am now, I feel like I made it out of St. Louis. And now I'm trying to conquer the world after this. So that's what we are. We're trying to conquer the world. Now there are some people who say things like, don't know if I'll make it to see the age of 18, 21, 25, for example, things of that nature. Did you ever have any of those thoughts yourself growing up in that location? No, not really. One of the best things about my situation, you know, when I was young, my mom ended up getting section 8. So when she got section 8, she took us from the hood to like the predominantly white area in St. Louis for a couple years. So we got to see a whole lot of different shit, be a whole, be around a whole lot of different type of people, you know, see how, see how the other side live also, gain friends and knowledge and things like that. So when I did go back to the hood, I was like, yeah, I'm making it out of this shit for sure. Like, I know my mind is too strong for me not to, you know? And what do you want to say to those? How long do you think you were in section 8 for? We was probably on section 8 about three years, three, four years. Now there's some good and bad connotations in regards to section 8, people have stereotypes about it and things of that nature. What do you want to say to those in the audience that have never experienced that when it comes to those housed in section 8? What do you want those in the audience to know about people in section 8, if anything? Man, shit, everybody need help sometimes, you know? Thank for that. We could have section 8. Like I said, it took my mind from, you know, zero to 10. I was able to be in a way better environment, see way better people go to a lot of better schools, shit like that. Sometimes you get into a situation when you're on section 8, when you're in the hood, but your mom, it gives your mom a little bit of a cushion when it comes to rent, shit like that to where, if you know, she's a hustler, she can go out work, get some extra money, and really be able to save a little bit more at that time frame, especially if you got a lot of kids and shit like that. So, I mean, if you're on section 8, man, salute to you, know, strive and try to stack up as much as you can so you can get up there, shit. That's to go. Now, be that as it may. Knowing what you know now, zooming out here once again, hypothetically speaking, what would you have said to your younger self back then, if anything? Oh, man, stay focused. And don't let nobody bury you off the track that you need to, because like I said, when you're growing up in the hood, there's a lot of vices, a lot of people that get in your ear and, you know, they don't got the best interest in hand for you, but, you know, luckily I had some people that was around me that, you know, tried to at least keep me focused and then I have to, you know, grow up a little bit more so I can understand what they wanted to tell me back then, which, you know, when you're young and you always get, you're going to have them people that like, you know, do this or do that or you ain't going to be able to do this when you all do it. This or that, like you never really take heed to this shit. I just wish, you know, it could have been, it could have been pushed into my head a little bit more about somebody who was more influential, but besides that, like, yeah, stayed focused. That's the main thing for real. And winding down the questions here about your upbringing, when it comes to your father, you mentioned he passed away as well, but, you know, when it comes to that relationship of you and him, was that relationship able to be repaired before his passing at all or? No, not really. I mean, when he passed away, it was just like, okay, somebody else passed away, I mean, it wasn't, it didn't feel like my dad passed away because he wasn't around growing up a lot. I mean, he always, it was always some type of a lot of why he couldn't come around, birthdays, he was never there at Christmas, you know, he wasn't around. So, I mean, at that point, when my dad, you know, it was what it was, you know, I was doing my own thing and I wasn't really tripping up my dad at the time when he did pass away, but I wish we could have got a little closer and you know, he could probably could have fixed some of those bridges, but I felt like at the time, he, that wasn't what he wanted to do, he was doing him. So, I mean, he a grown man, I'm a grown man now, so, you know, resting piece to him, but yeah, we didn't, we didn't get the, we didn't get the top everything that we needed the top before he passed away, definitely not. Now, I asked you previously about, you know, is there any unreleased music with you and Gucci main? I just wanted to clarify that too. I know you said there was like songs digitally traded back and forth between you two at one point, but do you think, is there a number you could put on maybe how many unreleased songs there was of you two together? I mean, that was the only record that we actually did and finished up, but unreleased records, like I got one with Dirk that I have unreleased right now. I got one with Fane, shout out to Fane, it's called Ball Like P that we got unreleased. I got one with Twist Unreleased. I got one with my boy Kasky for cash money that's unreleased. I had a couple dope records, one with Des Deordes Unreleased, but with Gucci, yeah, we just knocked that one out, like there was finished and done and that's the one that went on ice attack. Well, any of those unreleased songs that you just mentioned with these other artists ever see the light of day? Yeah, I actually planned on putting them out later this year, next year, because right now we don't, we're going on like a single run. So I want to put our singles all the way to the end of the year, build a bigger buzz, little fan base, and then next year try to drop the project. And what was the holdup on putting these records out over the years? Label situations, like when I was in a situation before I was now and you know, it kind of went left field. So I was at the point where I wasn't really even putting out music. And then you know, music, it's the shit started to get old to you know? And then some of those records you feel like, all right, those are old, I want to put them out, but you let other people hear them and they love them. So it's like why am I holding on to this shit? Like we just going to put it out for the streets, give it to the people and see what they do, you know? So that's what we're going to do. We're going to get rid of all of the old records. We've got a whole lot of new records that's going to come out too. So we're just putting everything in order, you know, and trying to really look at the whole, the broad aspect of it of releasing and you know, get these singles done for you. Kierter, share who you were with that went left field and who you're with now. So right now I'm with shout out to my my big homie Guchio. I just started to deal with one RPM and major distro. But before I was with DeCon entertainment, shout out to DeCon too, you know, he put me on, gave me my first deal. But at the time I felt like, you know, we were, We were just we were trying to figure out everything. He wasn't really He didn't he wasn't in music before he started, you know, rocking with me or before he opened up a record label And we got on the road and we we were really just trying things. I'll see what we'll work spending money frivolously You know, we we figured out a lot of shit at the end But I mean, you know once you start spending a lot of money on the artist and you're not getting a return back You know that that it gets you discouraged a little bit. And I feel like that's what happened Like we spent a lot of money on breaking up over $200,000, you know, and we didn't see $200,000 back So the notoriety was getting there, but you know the money wasn't being recouped So you know after that type of point who else would keep putting, you know, thousands and thousands of dollars into something that they don't see You know outcome or a Return on the vest with But what's the current status with you to at this point? Oh, we good. We good. I actually just talked to him the other day You know, I'm putting together the single released party for the new record and you know I'm talking to come out gave me invitation. So everything everything wonder with us right now Kierter share the title of the new record and the title of this project you just teased So the single is called Chinese Depths produced by my boy Rory 808 The project I haven't gave it a title yet right now. I probably got about 15 20 records done Just in a vault. I'm keep working like I said for the rest of the year We're gonna be dropping single single singles and those singles might make it to the project They might make might not make it to the project, but we want to give a body of work next year That's you know fooling some timeless shit. So where are the people can really rock with? So 2026 as far as the project. Yeah, 2026 for sure Now I show you a variety of questions just in regards to your upbringing Is there anything else you want to mention in regards to that? No, I hit everything Shout out to my voice mom. He he hit everything right there. So All right, take hang on for one second. I just want to see if there's anything else. I want to ask you We did really kind of touch up on a lot there, though Definitely good. Yeah, I do want to ask you this. Okay, something that just came to my mind here Baby Huey. Was there any music with you and Huey at all? Oh, yeah, we got a lot of records That's crazy. We got we got We got over 15 records. That's done right now. That's unreleased probably Yeah, like that was like I say that was like my brother. So like anytime I need them hop on the song He was hopping on the song. We got one at Call what would you do for the money? That's real crazy. We actually shot a video before he passed away I'm gonna hit my camera man. I'm glad that you did say that. I'm gonna hit my camera man up and see what's over that video Because pretty sure we still got that footage. I would love to drop that but yeah, I peed in my brother Huey, man We got a lot of records in the cup for sure Now for those in the audience that remember Huey, but they didn't get a chance to meet him What was he really like? Oh, man. He was he was one of the funniest people that you would meet in life like he very energetic funny You know stand up guy from Ken like to and Walnut Park shot. That's a Walnut Park You know when he got he got his his time in man, he really made a mark in the game You know, especially for St. Louis pop like a drop in being the number one record in the world over 10 million ring tones Platinum selling artists, you know, he got the job projects on the hits committee Chai verica's been on tour with Chris Browns and you know first person him him my brother wrong. They was at the fucking Playboy mansion doing a playboy mansion party New Year's Eve party and shit like that It's just seeing that type of stuff really open my eyes to you know like There like this shit is astronomical at that time, you know what I'm saying because that was like it was physical and ring tones back then, so it was like you really really got to be out there being your feet when the streets when it's like that for sure and The first time you met Huey was it before all of that success you just described. Yeah Definitely before all this success when pop like and drop it was just coming up So do you remember how you two met for the very first? Yeah, so my brother actually We was in the hood and and Huey came to the hood. This is right after he had got his deal and Him and my brother he had a squad called a campboy, so my brother was one of the freestyle kings in the hood so All the OG's like yeah, I'm going battle rap and wrong going battle rap. Oh, so he went in battle rap He had he had his one is his homeboys battle rap. Romant rom to his ass up and then every since that day like It was like this connected, you know what I'm saying like sign me his twins at the hip like they just are rocking after that So yeah, shout out to the whole CB and Do you remember the last communication you had with him before he passed? Man, I really don't like it was it was a situation where I like any time I pull up in the hood I see bro, you know what I'm saying like we're wrong around them We always on the phone. We always conversating. It wasn't just something that just can stand out like oh Bro, I love you. I miss you. You know what I'm saying every time we I brought we gonna love you. I had cool But you know what I'm saying so it was just like a thing to where I don't remember the specific last time we spoke But you know within that week two weeks before he passed we definitely was talking, you know what I'm saying or seeing each other some Like that. Do you remember how you were notified? He had passed My brother caught my brother caught me. Yeah, let me know what happened The hospital and shit Yeah, it was it was ruffle Now, do you have a favorite memory of him you'd like to share with the audience favorite memory? You and you e Babe one of the favorite memories six flats. We used to go to six flats And we drove to six flats one time. We he was in this charge and he was doing like 120 miles per hour and right when we got out the highway The police stopped us Like fuck we was drinking. We got guns on us all type of shit So the police walked up to the car. He rode out the window. He's like, oh shit you baby. He was like, yeah, he's like Well shit, I want to give you a ticket Then if you're a scientist for my daughter, then I'll let y'all go So he signed it for his daughter. He let us go and we had a fucking blast at six flats that day Like running around a park fans going crazy nuts. Like yeah, it was dope. It's here and You do have a variety of tattoos On your body are any of them in reference to him by any chance. Uh, yeah, so I got CB right here on my arm. That was Basically the squat he started called campboys So like I was one little young is in the squad. So I got CB up my arm Kenlock on my left arm of course he from Kenlock to so that was a move back to him, but yeah, I see via my arm. That was a squat and uh Last question when it comes to Huey What's the best advice you receive from him or most important thing you learned being around My state of the studio affect the craft for sure like Like I said he was one of the first people that I seen punch in I said like that like he was His he him and his creative mode with some different like he was a beast at that shit like he had go in and and like I seen him due to the record with fucking With Lil Wayne he knocked the record out in 45 minutes. Boom dope ass record You know what I'm saying a record door old knock out in 10 minutes, you know shit like that and just seeing them work And you know how he perfected his craft. That's what I used to love the advice that he used to give the studio for sure And uh another question that came to mind here uh What it is passing Teach you if anything man Make sure that you If you can if you can stay away from you know Shit people places that you don't need to be That's the best fucking thing to do like if you ain't got a reason to go back to the hood if you've made it out Don't take your ass back to it for what you know what I'm saying like of course you got people from the hood You can always meet up and do whatever or have fun and you know nowadays you can't let everybody know your location You know what I'm saying so definitely took that took that to mind for sure Anything else on Huey that you want to mention before we Depart here Rest in peace to my brother, man You