Dopey45(Part One): Alina Lodge, Being Charlie, Nick Reiner

[Music] Hello and welcome to Dopey, the podcast about drugs, addiction and dumb shit and I'm Dave but I'm Chris and I'm super excited but the excitement I feel right now is more than usual. We always say we have a special gas but today we have to say something different because it's a special special gas. We always say special like 15 times but this is more special. Now I'm going to tell a little story. You might be hyping it too much. I don't give a shit. Fuck it. You guys know that I listen to the Howard Stern show religiously and was it in, well, what is it? I have such a bad memory that it could have been a year ago it could have been six months ago. It was around six months ago. It was like January right? Yeah, January. Because you told me about Nick and then he will introduce him. First before we tell this story, today we have film writer and famous actor Nick Reiner. Yeah. Thank you. I'm not much of an actor. I did write one film. You're not in that movie? No. The guy is an idiot. No, no, no, you're not because the guy's name is Nick. Nick Robinson is exactly. I thought that was your like, "Nom did plume." I would hate myself if I had a nom did plume. But I think what is important is that when I wrote that, the best thing that came out of that was being on the Howard Stern show. The 15 minutes that I got to be out there, it was incredible. He was on that return show for three minutes. You were. I was on it was 10 minutes. And I was on the Howard Stern show. I lied my way on the Howard Stern show. What would you say? It's a whole thing. We've said it several times on the show. I'll tell you briefly. I had a show, like a music show, 20 years ago, and I wanted to get on the Howard Stern show. And I knew that there were like three ways to get on. I could get naked. And we're a sign that says Howard Stern rules. Or I could, like on the street, you know what I'm saying? Because he would put people on like that. I could bring my super hot girlfriend in and have her get naked. Or I could come up with a fake story, like kissing his ass. That's the risk is. I had a show that aired, it was before the internet. I'm very old. And it was before like YouTube, it was before all this stuff. And my show aired on college campuses, on their like closed circuit TVs. And like supposedly we had like 13 million viewers. And my show was a music magazine show called Shuffle. So I invented, it was 1999. So I invented an award called the Shuffle Entertainer of the Millennium Award. And I said that Howard Stern won it. And that he was voted the Shuffle Entertainer of the Millennium from 10 million college. He thought he was accepting some bullshit award. He thought he was accepting a real award. He thought it was a real award. But like nothing like great. But like, so that's not that. So I built a statue. I built a statue. Or I had a trophy shop make a statue. And I was so cheap that I was like, I'll mention the name of your trophy shop. So I wouldn't have to pay for the statue. Yeah, I plugged their trophy shop. And then I said that he beat out all the people he hated. Like he had 78% of the vote. Adam Sandler had 7%. Jay Leno had 4% and Bob Hope had 3%. You didn't put an I miss on there? No, because I miss on that. And then me and my girlfriend did all sorts of heroin and Coke and smoked weed all night because we were the first guest. It was when he was still on K-Rock at 6 in the morning. It was September 22nd, 1999. And we were like junkies. But we did a ton of Coke so we wouldn't miss it. So like we went in there super high. But just erotic to start. So you add Coke. But it was Coke dope. Incredible excitement. Nervousness. So I seem sober. I seem fucking cool. Yeah. And Howard believed it. And then like at some point Robin was like, this kid is obviously high. She said that in the air. Yeah. And I said, Robin, how dare you? And then Howard kicked me off the show. Wow. Yeah. It was awesome. But anyway, that's not the point. Okay. The point is him. I'm listening to Howard Stern. Like I listen to Howard Stern every day. And Nick Reiner has a very famous father, Rob Reiner, directed a shitload of huge movies. And was on the family, which Chris never saw. It's all right. I've seen the Princess bride. He directed that. I've seen that a lot. And I've seen what Harry bit so I've probably seen a lot. I just don't know it. I'm an idiot. You know what? I'm totally more offended if you know more of his work. So I'm totally cool. But the best movie you know the best movie he did. But fucking stand by me. It's a classic. It's a hard war. That's the kids more than a hard one. No, no, it's I was 12 when that came out. I can't stand my lean on my legs. It still resonates with like even contemporary like friend groups like hanging out like that. Just like that young innocent like that was before dry. That's like before dry. You know like when you never even thought, oh, let's go and smoke weed and do this. Let's go and do this. It was just like let's go hang out, you know. For years people would say stand by me. And I would think they were talking to lean on me with Morgan Freeman. Have you seen that? No. He is like the black guy who runs the thing. He's the principal. He's the principal. He's like smoking crack. And like so it would be very confusing when people would talk about stand by me. And I'd have the wrong thing in my hands. When we get guests, I don't bash you. But Chris is a fucking idiot to confuse lean on me and fan by me. Well, they sound similar. The only similarity is the sound of the title. And also there's also a famous song called lean on me and a famous song called stand by me. But anyway, so I'm listening to Rob Reiner and he's getting up to his project now. And his project now is a movie that his son Nick, our guest, wrote about his horrible drug addiction. And I'm like horrendous. Holy shit. I'm like Chris, we got to get him on dopey and Chris like who's Rob Reiner? Not a lot of who the fuck is Nick Reiner. Absolutely. Well, then I found you and I friend requested you and I was working out the other night and like I got a little notification. This is like four months ago. I got a notification you accepted my friend request. So I instantly message you and you were down with the show. But I was pissed because back then we had friend requested you and you didn't see it and who the fuck is Chris. So you didn't friend him. Which I think no, but you're in a strange man friend request me. I don't usually take it even I thought he was hitting on me. I couldn't. How do I know? But look how beautiful. What's not what's not polite. It's great. But so when Nick Nick was on the show Howard asked Nick how he got sober and Nick told a lot, which I think I'd love it if he told a lot of it here. But then Howard asked about a and Nick what did you say? I said a lot. I think a lot of things about a and I say a lot of things about a and I only know my own experience. And what I don't remember the particular is of what I said on that show. But I you know and I understand that a and the rehab industry are a separate entity. But what exactly but what I do know is that 99% of the places say they're 12 step based and they're literally they rip the entire program which is intended to be a free service and they make money off of a program that if you relapse they make even more money. And then my first rehab was year two's on I went there it's like 50 grand a month and then like they tell you to do the steps and like where's the cure? Where's the fix? Like the medicine? They know this. And I tried you know I'm close minded. I don't know. I'm young drug addict. Come on. I can get to the first I can admit that I you know on powerless I have a drug addiction but when when and I'm just going to be you know really care. You know when it gets to the sort of the you know it's up to you to interpret the God situation. It's just physically hard for me to get there and have that be so much of a foundation for something that was so hard for me to get a hold of in the first one. But didn't they give you like I'm not such a God I mean Chris is a devout God guy. Yeah. I'm not the biggest God guy and my favorite thing my sponsor is an atheist and what he always says is a gift of desperation you know GOD. So your gift of desperation or but gift of desperation Nick was desperate you know what I'm saying like and that's something that I can hold on to. But I can resonate with what he's saying if you have big walls around that concept and you go to an AA meeting or an NA meeting the speak in theirs extremely Judeo Christian and it sounds like kind of like Bible, Thumbnail, Thor Thumbnail or whatever that's what you get. It's not even if it's not you tune out the good stuff because you're giving something and you're freaked out you're freaked out and you're not. But listen it's not it's that's not the and there's other things for me that I have difficulty with which is and you know a lot of people they they they counter sober days and if that works with them that's great. But I think everybody use differently so I think everybody gets sober differently and everybody has their own different definition of sober. And if someone is not completely abstinent in the minds of people that are in the program, they're not anything because they're, you know, they're still using quote unquote. And that's where I think I differ maybe from you. Dave and I get into it a lot where I support, I'm not gonna, I'm just gonna say my piece of the news in your piece. I support harm reduction, which in the rooms is like a huge deal. You can't support it, you know? And I'm like, yeah, if you're trading a lethal substance for a non-lethal substance and the consequences are less and your quality of life is improved, like good for you. Like that's a good thing. Whereas in AA, you can't share, you know what I mean? There's a bunch of stuff. You're demonized. And my only opinion is like, I think of it all just for myself and I'm 42 years old and I have a year, it's over. Just so you know what I mean? I've been fucking in and out, in and out on drugs, you know, constantly for my entire adult life. And I was on methadone for six years and I was on suboxin and I was on benzos and I was you know, a stoner and I, you know, I have my credential. But like fucking for me, anytime I took anything, I would wind up on heroin eventually. Okay. I felt that way for years and years and years and years. And when I stopped, started not thinking that way and started thinking, look, every time I go out, like you know when they say when someone goes out, they go on a huge drug bender and they do as much as they were planning on doing, you know, as much as they did before. If someone was not so scared to read ups and just smokes a joint or something like that, I'd know a lot of friends that would still be alive. And I honestly believe that all or nothing kind of like, if you go back out and I'm just, I have that mind, that drug addict mindset where it's like, if I'm going to go out, I'm like going to smoke, I'm going to do it up. Yeah. I'm going to go crazy. Yeah. So do you ever, do you ever just smoke a joint? Yeah. You can do that. I do. I do do that. And you know what? And I've done heroin and I've done meth and I've done everything under the sun and I'm not afraid, you know, because if there's someone listening to this podcast that can get something out of it, if they think they're not, you know, particularly on the right path, but it's not, I don't know. I have to start getting some dangerous water. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, but it actually what you're saying, no, it actually even says and people lose this, like, these people who are very in sconce in the program sometimes forget, like the program is originally the big book that, you know, is written by Bill Wilson, Dr. Bob and the founding members. And he actually says in it, like, if you think that you can like drink successfully and control it, like, we urge you to go out and try. And like, people forget that that language is in there. And like, the reason it's in there is because like, if you can, if there's something you can do and successfully do it, the original people that started the program said, go out and try it. But then if you can't then like, make it into their ass like a go out and try it. No, I don't think, no, because if you don't say, if you don't, it is, it is that, but it's also not, no, it is, it is written for that purpose, but it's not saying, we know you're going to fail. It's saying, no, if you, if you don't fail, then we're not going to see you again. No, we don't need you. Yeah. No, no, no. What it says to me when I hear that line is, look, you can go out and try it. You're running your own show, but you're going to end up calling back here. Is that now what they say in the rooms? So that's what I'm trying to differentiate is what they say in the rooms. There's members. It's sort of like a Catholic priest speaking the Bible. You know, there's great priests and there's bad priests or like any like organized religion. There's people in the rooms. And just like us. They're pretty, they're pretty, they're pretty, they're pretty, they're pretty, they're pretty, they're pretty, they're pretty, they're pretty, they're pretty, they're pretty good. No, but a lot of people that are vulnerable that are in there, they look up to these people that have been, that somehow a huge badge of honor that he'd been sober for this long period of time and they take their cues from these people that are so called idiots. Yeah. And, and, and yeah, I mean, I think it's, it's like, it's a very valid complaint. And can I talk about Goal's in for a second and just to be honest about that, I know it was history a little bit and I know that by the end of his life, he was trying to think of alternative ways other than AA to try to, you know, I don't know what I know that he tripped acid. Yeah, he actually wasn't, he was going to put in a certain piece of literature to encourage some members in AA to try LSD, people who had huge resistance to spiritual concepts or like. And so he thought there was a small sector of people in AA that should try or close in around AA that should try LSD because he thought it would help them with the program. And then all the other members were like, "Bill, you can't fucking put that in the literature." But you're right, he did. And after his sobriety day, after founding, you know, he relapses that, but after that he, I'm sorry, Dr. Bob relapsed. But he tried LSD and that he didn't get dinged for you. But let me tell you something, Chris. If you, if my great friend, Dopey Cole-Hose, went out and did acid, it would be a minor problem. I'm a gas burner. Yeah, it's really bad. So like I had a few years, I was working in, and sober living in like, in New York City, and I started like stealing medication from the places. I was like giving out narcotics and then like basically taking people's narcotics. You didn't get kicked out there and flushing them. And then like one day I didn't flush it and started stealing. You were allowed to be on control substance there, standing in the volume and they had a roll and shit. Yeah. And the meds and cabinet. And in the course of like, a month, it was fucking really bad. And I'm not even saying that. I'm saying let's say in next week you're like, I'm going to take a psychedelic journey. Yeah. Do you think you could, you could not be a ding on your Friday? Well that's right, yeah this guy, we asked this guy, no, a little bean about it. If you don't know, a little bean is he wrote Darla punks. He was on the last episode that we aired. Or the one before the last one. And so I asked him, like, it's my sober link. I mean, he's just sober link. Is this his sober link now? Do you know what that is? No. I know that. But I have a real question though. And this goes back to what we were just talking about. Like you were just asking him, if you are under the impression that, because I was under the impression forever that if I went out and I had a taste of something that I'd be in Mexico in two days. And I'd be in a motel. And a motel like that. Okay. No, and I believe that you're like that. And I believe for a year, well I'm not very old, but just for three or four years I believed I was very much like that. But when I started to believe not like that, then I started to not like crazy as much. So you're saying the reality that I create. Oh, and I just, since I believed that, I want you to explain what you just did to Nick. Oh, I was a little bit distracted. He's blowing into a breath or a breath or a breath. A breath or a breath? Yeah, I have to blow in this twice a day to make sure I'm not drunk. I've been doing this for three years. And that's to keep the money rolling. Yeah, that's to make sure that you're doing okay. Yeah, it's how like it's, my sister runs a behavioral health company. So she actually like basically from seeing my son and against her years. She's wicked smart. Like went to Harvard, Harvard Business School, worked in healthcare. And then she saw like how unregulated and crazy the treatment industry was. And she started a company that basically does like case management and stuff like that. So we're a companion, that type of shit, with alcohol, like some stuff. So she has her people breath wise, her clients. So I just do it through her company. And it is in small part to keep the money rolling. Yeah, so it's important. It's important my parents mind it ease to make some. I guess that you guys probably disagree with most things that I'm saying. But I would just think for the all types of people that listen in or could possibly listen in to hear a different side of the story. Because when we were walking up an elevator, you said to me that for a long time it was hard for you to get engaged because there was no one that you could really connect to. Yeah. Or no one that spoke on your level like they were doing this whole year than now sort of thing. If they had years and years and years of sobriety on you. And you were saying rather than someone who's closer to the issue or who would do his third. Why is someone who's 20 or so have a better perspective on everything than someone who's 30 days sober? I think it's a lot. 30. They do. Most they have a different perspective. But why I'll tell you it's a more out of touch one maybe. Well listen, listen, this is what I'm going to say. And again, I have a lot of like sweeping judgments to say, but I'm going to put those aside. No, no, no, no, no. Because this is not hysterical podcast about crazy ideas. This is a chill podcast about drugs and dumb shit. And I think like when I got clean like in 30 days I was still fucking crazy and miserable and like wanted to get high. When I'd say when I hit 90 days I hit a little bit of a better feeling but I still had no fucking perspective on what had happened. I was still like rolling out in the universe in my head. Like I was not used to having a sober physical or mental state and I think in time and I don't think it's brainwashing. Like I really don't. I don't feel brainwashing. And again, I avoided 12 steps shit for 15 years. You know, I hated it. I hated it. I hated it. Every minute of it. No, I loved it and I hated it and I felt like, oh, I might be being brainwashed right now and I'm just gonna be honest, I felt like during that time I was a little bit under this entire impression. that if I thought this certain way, all these things would happen and they would happen because you make your own reality, your own thing, what you're thinking dictated what your actions were when you picked up. Yeah, since you're like, "I'm gonna go crazy when I drink, then when you drink, you go crazy." But when you're like, "Maybe I won't go crazy and then you did something, you didn't go off the wall." Or like for this, for example, if I went to 30 meetings in 30 days and I stayed sober for that whole time. But those 30 days seem like 30 months because you think, "Oh my God, you're just like, you're thinking about being sober every single day." As opposed to, if you want to go crazy, you just smoke some weed, drink some beer, do whatever you gotta do. And who knows, you might get some more work done during that period or something else that you wanna get done. But I just rather not spend my life just constantly taking away the days that I've stayed clean because I don't really feel like just staying clean is an accomplishment in life. Because a lot of just clean people, they don't do great things. They're miserable and stuff. Yeah, I mean, you wanna know how I got sober and this wasn't, I didn't get sober right away. I was in this hospital called McLean's in Boston and I met this psychiatrist and this was like the first time that I started to really do something and take action in my life. And I was doing like the biopsych, I was so sober, they asked you what rehabs you've been doing all that shit and he was like tuned out and you even get f*ckin' you know what I mean. And then like he's like, he's looking at my thing, I actually already done it and he was looking it over the psychiatrist and like I checked off like, I do a lot of hallucinjects. I have a co-cuser, I have a heroin addict, plastic bottle vodka in the morning but I also like tripped a lot. And I tripped because I liked kind of this window into the other fucking man. So anyways, he sees that I checked that off and he's like, oh, he's like, I noticed you checked out hallucinogenics. And he's like, he's like, what do you do? And I was like, well recently, this is like nine years ago or so, eight years ago. I was like, well recently I've been doing a lot of these things called research chemicals and like you probably don't know what they are. And this doctor fucking knew more than I knew. Like I'd never met a doctor that knew about them and let alone he knew every single one. So he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like an ASAM certified addiction psychiatrist who like works in the treatment field as like his part time being. His real thing is he develops hallucinogenic drugs to treat cluster migraines. He's one of the few guys I can still give MDMA for therapy during like end of the life therapy. So he was like really into it and he thinks and I also asked him like, can I see what kind of therapy can he give it for? End of life. So like when someone's dying and stuff like that, there was certain situations he's allowed to give MDMA before a session. And so anyways, I started connecting with him and he was like, why do you like take hallucinogenic and then like I told them my reasons, you know, and he's like, you should go try yoga. And he said like a specific style is a stanga yoga. You should go to this place and you should do it. You know, and then you put me on Suboxone. And I fucking left there and for the first time in a long ass time, I actually took action in my life and did something that someone had suggested. I mean, I'd been to yoga, I'd been to a fucking tried it on the other board. And I went like six days a week and I took Suboxone. I was still taking Suboxone. I actually like noticed something changed and it was like that inner turmoil I had that baseline to use a words like restless, irritable and discontent. The obsession to use it finally went away. You know what I mean? And like when you say like someone who has 20 years, I don't think decades of sobriety garners someone, you know, like a basic. Basically this high and lofty spot to be able to tell people like, you know, this is how it's done and whatnot. But I think somebody who has relieved the bondage of self, however they've done it, you know, does. And generally in 30 days, somebody is still has the obsession pretty. But like you said, if you went into any A meeting and you said, look, I'm feeling great right now. I've been doing yoga and I'm taking Suboxone. No, they, they, they, they, you'd be locked into the room and the problem I think what that is is that although you, I believe I heard you in that story. I believe that you were doing well, but you wouldn't be bought for a second. No one would even buy that you even went to yoga once. No, but what happened? Let me finish with half because they don't think he would be, they don't be finished with happens. So what happened was I tried yoga. I spirit something and then I actually had this thing called alcoholic neuropathy with my ankles. I got really fucked up from years of drinking and I couldn't practice yoga. Relapse huge fucking blow out like shoot and coke, owing drug dealers money in the Caribbean. I had my brother fly down. How does you get me? How did, please? You went from Tommy. I stopped being able to practice yoga and you were on Suboxone because of my ankles. My ankles got fucked up. Okay, physical. I've been in the case of you right now. It would have been good. But he's on Suboxone. I'm on Subancles. Go out and then I was dating this Japanese girl and we went down on vacation in the Caribbean. I was getting a little hairy and she kept on bugging me and the fucking untreated alcoholism came out and I used down there. She ended up freaking out, flew home by herself. This is the garbage bag full of cocaine. No, this is way before that. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I was way after that. And so I ended up owing all this money and being on a different island and my family came and rescued me. That was a great story. They forced me to go into treatment, right? And then I was in treatment and I was sitting there and this was my 14th treatment, my second to last one. That was when I met you. That's when I met Dave. We met in rehab. But my point was I'm sitting in there and I'm like, I was like kind of primed from the yoga to have an open mind and they were slaying in the steps. And I was like, you know, an AA and I gave it a real go and it was useful. But it was yoga that led me there. And I don't fucking care how people get to something that's helpful. Maybe it's the steps and they don't like the steps and then they get to yoga or they get to something else that's useful. But are you not looked at as a valid sober member if you don't have that baseline of AA? What do you mean? What do you mean? I mean, because I noticed when I went on a lot of shows they'd say, are you sober? And like at the moment I'd say, yeah, because I was sober at that moment. I know an AA, the terminology is different. Sober means, you know, you've committed to this whole long life of an abstinence. And I just felt like it was not the greatest thing that I couldn't feel comfortable to say, hey, look, I had a pass of shooting up heroin. I was giving up code, doing crazy stuff. And now I have a life of that's not that. But it's not, but it's better. It's not one or the other. It's not like, I was doing this crazy stuff and now I'm squeaky clean. I'm perfectly sober. Time out, time out, time out. You are on the talk show circuit to promote this movie. Yes. And they're asking you to movie about a drug addict who gets sober. No, it isn't. Is he getting sober in the end? We were going to watch it last night, but we didn't. He wouldn't let me want to. And I was like, we have to watch it. He's like, watch it now for sure. You don't need to. It's all right. No, but everyone sort of got that impression. But at the end, it's sort of left as like open ended. He'll figure it out. And what I truly believe is, is that if you find something that you're really passionate about and you have the means to pursue it, then that'll take that, you know, and that's what I love. I love Maslow. There's guy Abraham Maslow. He's an old school psychologist and he talks about the hierarchy of needs and the top hierarchy of need is self-actualization and people find that through fulfillment. There's this priest. I read this beautiful article. There's this priest. There's a polis priest and he took a bunch of bottom, bottomed out alcoholics in Poland. We're really fucking bad, right? Like train track guys for the US. You know what I'm saying? And he brought him in and he's like, we're going to do something to help you get sober, right? Because you guys can think of anything you want and we'll fucking do it. And they decided, there's just a bunch of winos that they wanted to build a boat and sail it around the world. And he fucking went, somehow raised money, bought like this frame, the steel frame, and they've been working on it now for like four years after two years. They've been working on it for like four years and now one of them has relapsed. And his argument was that it's what you're talking about. It's that fulfillment, that purpose and the ability to pursue it actually kept them all sober. It's so fascinating that you bring that up because have you ever been called rat bark? Yeah, well, okay, so I know a lot. I've talked about this. I've talked about it on the show. So the rat bark, the one thing though is that they misquoted a lot. So it's time out. What's rat bark? That was going to give just a brief rundown. Rat bark is an experiment that they did where they took 10 rats and they put it in the cage with nothing in the cage. And one water was filled with just water and the other water was filled with water and cocaine. And 9 out of the 10 rats or mouse, whatever mice, they died of an overdose. It was like rat hell. And then they had another cage filled with wheels and mountains and water. They called the rats Carlton. Whatever rats do, they were having sex, they were doing a whole thing and sometimes they go, no, they've just drink the normal water because they needed it. And you wonder why people relapse it's because people are, you know, they're bogged down by this system. They have to keep going in and out of jail. They're marked as this, as this, this, you know, pariah of society. And, you know, I just, I just feel like if anyone has a drug problem they should feel free to do it. to come out and express it how they want. - Let me show some stuff about the rats. So the rats, they did that experiment because all these GI's like were over in Vietnam being in dope, right? Like a lot of them, like 80% or something that people use heroin. And then they came back. They were addicted to heroin. And a lot of them just fucking stopped. And they were like, what the fuck? Like we thought heroin was a life sentence, you know what I mean? - Yeah. - They're like, there must be like a social reason why people use like their life was hell. They were in a war zone, so they were all being in dope. Then they came back and a lot of them stopped, you know. So they devised this experiment and that confirmed it with the rats. You know, they actually took rats who were addicted to the heroin from the shitty cage and they put them in the nice cage. - Oh wow. - And they would maintenance themselves off the heroin water and drink the regular. - That's crazy. - But what's often not quoted when they mention this is there was a percentage of the rats. - Oh, it's low. - There was a gross low. - There was a percentage of the rats. - People don't know what that's called. - That used the heroin water no matter what. It was about 10% on the whole insides with the genetic markers for addiction in the human race. - So the afflicted, listen, the dopey nation of rats. - State high. - Not necessarily. - What he's saying is, and I believe this to be true. - Yeah. - Because this is why I don't think you can say there's like some people's person. There's no such thing as addiction. I've seen it. I've seen the person who literally is an ad. - He's got his blood. - It's in his blood. - He was blood. - You're looking at him right now. - And you look like a happy god in me. So I wouldn't say anything. - It's because he's clean. - And that's because he's clean. - But I think that's interesting that you say that because I think there's some people that doesn't matter, nurture nature. It's just in their blood. And I do think that 12 step groups are pretty good for those people because 12 step philosophy is you can't use anything and stuff like that. And I agree with you. All the stuff you said, there's some dog mind it. That's very difficult to swallow. And there's a lot of stuff like within the program that's not great. But and also what's different is like in the DSM, the diagnosis against statistical manual for mental disorders, which is what's used in psychology, we would be, we meet the criteria for a substance use disorder that's new. Well, it was called substance, yeah, there was a DSM-4, it's been in it for a while, right? Which is classified as a disease and stuff. But you can be, you meet the criteria for a substance use disorder. And I don't think you can be that genetic born alcoholic. And those people who might meet that criteria, I think can benefit from harm reduction and maybe successfully moderate in life. But the genetic person who's got in their blood, I don't think they're, they can really moderate. It's very difficult, you know? No, I don't think they can. I have some very, very specific questions. We're gonna tell some stories in some point. Maybe. Maybe we will, maybe we won't. 'Cause we're, I mean, this 32 minutes is, I brought it in the chamber, but we can go ahead. I don't know, because, yeah, we're gonna get to a story, I do not wanna deny you, but I just wanna just clarify some stuff. 'Cause Nick, this movie was very big. You know, you did all the big shows. You're on fucking Howard Stern. Well, I mean, your program. The movie wasn't big, I think the topic was big. Because no, your dad is big. And the release was big, it was in the Daily News. It wasn't a lot of places. I saw it around. I know, but it was just releasing like a couple of theaters. So like, I think, oh yeah, sorry, I keep it. - No, please. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - Better than I do. - You don't sound like, did you like the movie, or is it? - I feel like I didn't get to express how I truly felt in it. - Well, that was where I was going. - How much can you portray creative control, did you have? - 1/3. And 1/3, technically, and 1/8th. Realistically. - Realistically. - Well, this is the first question. It's like, the story is supposed to be, and I'm not talking about the story of the movie. I'm saying in order to promote the movie, you kind of have to be sober. You kind of have to be a poster boy for recovery. And you didn't want to be that. I said to them, listen, I'm not in the position to do this. I'm not as, quote unquote, sober guy. I'm gonna go out, have to go on to these talk shows. They said, you gotta do what they want. The whole father, son, angel. It just shows you a disgusting, but. - Of course. - I mean, just the story. So I just went out there and I just realized, look, I'm have a voice to some degree. I'm gonna say what I gotta say while I'm here. - At least you didn't sell out. - Do you know what I mean? You stuck to your guns. - Yeah, I'm not gonna. - No, yeah. - But you would say, if you were kind of, you were like, I'm sober today. And you didn't like fucking, you were like, you didn't wanna like get into the water, right? - Yeah, I'm sure it put you in a really bad spot. - It did. It was hard. - Was it really uncomfortable? - Yeah, yeah, it was uncomfortable, but I felt like it was like part of the job, part of what I had to do. - But it was the job. Let me ask you a question, you don't have to answer. - No, I like where you're going. - Would you like get high afterwards after the appearance? - Yeah, I would. I'd smoke a joint on the roof of my apartment. - Let me ask you something. - After, let me see the answer. - Okay, last year. - And in a very hard, I'm hard to be honest, but right, I mean, yeah, I would not ever go on to these things like, you know, Coke, dog, or anything. I try to be straight, use the appearances of my motivation to be straight, do as best I could on it, and then afterwards enjoy a joint. - After. - Did you ever do like dope after anything like that? - That's why I, you know, - You didn't shoot Coke or no. - No, this year. - No. - I haven't done that in about three or four years. - Did you do a buck? - I was reading with that. - Shooting Coke and no money. - That's a whole life right there. - Was your dad, did your dad know you were getting stoned? - Yeah. - Would he get pissed? - No. - He's a hippie or the right? - He's a hippie. And they're very understanding. - Well, they're happy you're doing well. - But see, be saying this, I feel first of all horrible about having copying to the fact that I, you know, but you feel horrible in front of us, Father? - He feels horrible in front of the dopey nation. - A dopey nation, I'm sorry. (laughing) Also in front of you. - This is not the choir group and you don't have to feel upset. - But I feel a little hypocritical myself. - Yes. I think I'm more open-minded than you are. - Because I've made this big thing that, that we're, so I'm like the only requirement to be on dopey is the desire to stop. - But Nick, does he wanna stop? - No, I know. - So he doesn't need your requirement. - We've had different, like he thinks like somebody needs to have a lot of time to come on. And I'm like, - I know, somebody needs a day. - Yeah. - This is, this is, we need a day. - A day. - Twenty-four hours. - Twenty-four hours? - Yes. - It's your life. - Why are you laughing? - You're a fucking wife. - What is the truth? - It's the real, it's the truth. - He's like Todd eats like so much time. - Todd has been a good guy. - Todd's been a good guy. - Todd's one of my best friends and we used to do dope and coke and stuff. - And he really wants to be on the show and stuff. - And you felt like you couldn't have a mom because he wasn't a valid enough. - Well, no. - Or not. - I didn't want him on because I feel, you know, when we started the show, the show wasn't supposed to be at all about recovery. It was supposed to be just a show about drugs and dumb shit. The dumb shit that me and Chris had done, hot. That was the start of the show. And then my daughter's mother heard the show and she was like, what are you doing? (laughing) - Why are you doing this? You know, and I was like, and I had been separated from her for five years and all I wanted to do was get back with her. And I got back with her when I got clean. And I was like, wait a second, what am I doing? You know, I got to put it. - And then, you know, you know, you know, I got to put it in the box and I was like, I got to put it in the box and I was like, what am I doing? - I was like, what am I doing? - We started to get, sorry to openation, there's somebody's overdosed, I'm making a out of it. - You're coming to get me. - I called the cops, I said there's somebody using them. - It's okay. - It looks like they finally got here. - But then we started to get these emails from people who are struggling or people who had years and they really appreciated what we were doing. - And I think we, there's a lot of recovery centric shows out there which is like one day in time and like we appealed to all sides. - I started a big feud with last episode. - Last episode, I told the thing. - This is the beauty of when I heard about this show was that I had been approached by other things that were, listen, come on to this recovery 12 step. And I don't wanna, I can't have open discussion there about anything. And I hear this concept and I go, wow, what a great open ended discussion about the times that we all can relate to that is only a small demographic of people can relate to. And whether you got this much of time or you, you know, do this much of the program, I, you know, I think it's great. - Well, what, what, what, thank you. Well, Chris came up with, he was like, okay Dave, I hear what you're saying, but if there are celebrity and they're using, then they can come on and me being a fucking ass-looking piece of shit, I was like, yeah, I guess so. Maybe, maybe more people are here this show. And I, I'm torn, you know, I'm not a hundred percent. I feel for like, what are you doing? - Nothing, I was gonna show him the East Side Crackhead. - Please don't. - I'm just staying with Steve Bulldog. - He was a bum who was like kind of famous or he was a bum, come on. - We've been trying to get the East Side Crackhead on the show, he's like, yeah, like, for three months. And every week, can I come on with the East Side Crackhead? - If, at least I can, it's never gonna come on. - Every week, he says, - I've never come back. He says, "Yo, dude, I'm gonna roll through tonight." And Chris is like, he's like-- His manager big time says that. He's a rapper. He's pretty good. And supposedly he's clean. I think he drinks. He doesn't smoke crack anymore. So every week Chris is like, I think the East Side Cracket's going to come on. And at first I was like, awesome. And Chris is like, we're going to get in page six. And I'm like, both of us-- Both of us, the other folks. And then Chris is like, this is going to be good. And then I'm like, I don't know. The East Side Cracket seems like he's drinking. And Chris is like, harm reduction is fine. This is going to be the best thing that ever happened to the show. You're at time, though. Ever got to finish. This is my favorite part. And then it'll be six o'clock. And we're recording the show. And Chris is like, I hope the East Side Cracket does examine it. I don't want to deal with him every time it happens. Well, I just want to say also, this is a really good topic he brought up because the only time we ever have gotten into it, like actually gotten into it, it just banter usually. Like really arguing with each other was this specific topic we're talking about right now. Was harm reduction and stuff like that. And where do you both stand on it? I support it more than Dave. But the thing is, Dave's in support of him. It doesn't work. Dave's not supportive. No, this is the thing. When it's me and Chris alone, two people who are abstinent and in recovery and have tried harm reduction for ourselves and failed, I get very angry at him because it's like-- because it's just about me and him and we've both failed. I failed trying to just smoke weed. It's also different. I'm pursuing a doctor in clinical psych. I need to-- God, I do it. I need to see a larger perspective. Even though I know it doesn't work for me. So sometimes we get lost in translation where, like, for me, you know that I don't support it because I know it doesn't work. I'm trying to. But for me, it's open to hearing-- You know that it's so much better for somebody to not be on a lethal substance and be happy and be pursuing-- being pursuing self-actualization, like he said. For me, let's say I got to smoke a joint tonight. I wouldn't run to Mexico and shoot meth or anything. I would just be like, I'm going to get hit tomorrow. I'm going to get stoned tomorrow. And I am a fucking divout stoner, like divout. If I smoke weed, I wouldn't enjoy the weed as much as I should because all I'd be thinking about is how I could get it tomorrow. But if you were on a rooftop and you smoked a joint and you never in your life had heard a thing, oh, I took one hit and I went to Mexico and a thing and a thing. If you just smoked a joint and you had no preconceived notions, I don't think you do anything the next day. You just do what you wanted because-- But you know what I would want to do the next day? Smoke weed. Because you're just saying that you would want to do that. He's saying it's your mindset. Right. But that's my experience. It's not about-- It's not about any of the 12-step stuff. It's like 12-step stuff is like a fucking-- What we drink and we use essentially because we like the effects it has upon us. But weed and-- And so we like-- They're getting high and then we want to get high tomorrow. But it's like me. It's like now, every night, when I'm walking home, I buy a bar of dark chocolate. And every night, I eat the bar of dark chocolate. And I say to myself, I can't wait till tomorrow night when I can have my dark chocolate. And it used to be every night. Then the harm-- I'm the opposite. I'll buy the bar of chocolate. And I'll be like tomorrow. I'm not going to have any chocolate. But then I'll fucking get chocolate the next day. And then to be yourself up and say, I can't believe I did the thing I said. I wasn't going to do it all day that every day. Yeah. Fuck that. Chris-- We're doomed. Chris doesn't buy the bar of dark chocolate. Chris buys the fucking half gallon of ice cream. He's like, I can't believe I hate the whole half gallon. I eat a whole half gallon the other day. Not a pint at that fucking gallon. Well, that's harm reduction. Is it not? Yeah, it is in a way. Yeah. So that's-- I used to eat a whole bag of tates cookies. Then I'm in just 7-11. And I sold they sold cookies by the three. So I started to do that. And then the doctor told me my cholesterol was too high, because I'm getting old. And that's when I switched to dark chocolate. So it's all about switching from milk to dark chocolate. Sure. Should we change paces and get some stories a little bit? I just want to feel like we all understand-- Our pizzeria. I get where you're coming from, though. I get that. I want to know. What do Dr. Wheel is? Andrew Wheel. No. He's this-- W-E-I-O. Yeah, my pronouncing that here is-- I think it's Vail. Is it not said? Is it? I always thought it was. He's a big bald guy with long hair. It looks a little bit like your dad. Yeah, he's like an ex hippie. And he's-- Big beard. He's told about addiction. And he writes a lot of books and stuff. And he talks about set and setting. And he said, what determines a drug's effect upon you is how you think you relate to that drug. And he has research and science to back up what he's saying. And he's basically saying the same thing you're saying. If you're saying this is going to ruin my life, and I'm going to do it all the time, then you're going to ruin your life. You're going to do it all the time. Maybe that's not everything, but that's a factor. That's real. But I don't want to make the mistake of saying that-- because I, 100% believe that for you, that that's the way you should do it. And this is the way that I feel like I should. I'm not telling anybody else to do it like this. I'm just saying this is how it went for me. Dude, we had a guy here the episode where David and I got into it. I accidentally deleted it before we get Eric's unretarded. But I was in rehab with him. He's an IV junkie. The dude came three hours to get here and Chris deleted it. I deleted it. I fucking-- He also set up our Facebook account. Fucking Dave. He did a lot with it. I met him in rehab, and he was an IV junkie. Pretty fucking bad. And now he drinks successfully. And I've seen that-- And it's me. I've seen that fail. Yeah. 18 out of 20 times. But he's one of the two-- I've had that close friend that tried it, that it works. And the way he did it was, he went and he told his parents, so I'm going to drink. He's a crossfit trainer and he owns a crossfit gym. So he works out all day. He loves his business. They listen to Dopey at his gym, even the normies. Yeah. So what's up? What's the top told-- The normies he loves this? Some of them do. Some normies here. We have some normies. Look at they not. Yeah, because it's voyeuristic for them. For us, it's like, we know the deal. But for a normal person, they're like, wow. I have another question. I don't think the normies are going to like the last 46 minutes of the philosophy we're talking about. But-- I think they like the story. They like the story. We're going to do a story. They're going to like that? I hope they-- Oh, no. People like it. They actually have people that ask us to talk more about early sobriety. People have asked us to infuse new recovery. Because we're usually just telling whoppers, you know? Nick, I think you are going to be appealing to the Dopey Nation. I think this is going to appeal to them. I just wonder if I'm going to feel guilty about it afterwards. Do you think I'm going to feel guilty about it? Why would you feel guilty about it? Because I like the idea of being really-- he's nervous that there's some junkie using it who can't successfully do anything. And they're going to hear this and then think that they can. So they can get out of it. But like I said, I'm only saying this is work for me. Yeah. And I don't think it doesn't work for you to try something out. Exactly. And I've seen AA work for people. And I've seen all types of things work for people. And-- Because she gave me the same advice you gave me. Did you remember? Maybe I said advice. I'm going to go meet him. You should come with me to the meeting tomorrow morning. It's about 30. He needs to say he wants to go. He wants to do anything. Of course. But this is what Chris told me. Because we went to rehab together. We both relapsed after rehab. We both relapsed after. But I had had like-- you know, I was not devout. I would like date and drink. Because I don't drink. I'm barely an alcohol. He physically-- I don't-- He is like the end time. He doesn't have the right end. Yeah. I'm Jewish. I think that's why I have the same thing. There's actually Jews and Asians have some sort of-- and some Jews and Asians have some sort of like enzyme that they can't process alcohol. Well, like for me, like I can drink 20 drinks from the night and wake up. And like, I can't keep going. No, that's not. Yeah. I'm smash after. So I wind up getting back to Bud through this girlfriend at the time. And Chris-- and I'm smoking successfully without taking anything else for like a year. And I'm talking to Chris. And Chris is like, great, man. That's cool. He goes, he goes, that'll work. Unless you find yourself on heroin. And then you know, next time you can't smoke weed. You know, so that's the advice to you. You smoke weed until you find yourself totally fucked. And then-- and I'm not saying you will. Because maybe you won't. I'm not really not. I'm not loading this with somebody else. No, maybe you won't. But if you find yourself fucked, next time, you get the chance to do it again. Maybe you don't smoke weed. Yeah. My favorite part of that story is just mind-boggling that four or five years ago Dave would actually call me for advice, because he would never do that now. No, not at all. I try to call him for advice, but his advice is just an problem. So when you were stoned, you were more understanding? I just think I didn't know as well. Yeah. But I can call that. But Nick is here to tell a story. And I want to hear a-- Wait, it fucked up so much. I got to say something though. Sitting on the couch before Nick said-- before we hit record-- that he's been to 17 Reabs? Oh, 17 or 18, give it a-- I've been to 15. So that is utterly shocking, because I've never-- I mean, like, rehab proper, not like sober living. No, I'm-- no. Yeah. The real deal. That's amazing, dude, because I-- And we talked to never had anyone on the couch that's been to more the rehab than I had. Have you ever been to anybody that's been to more than you? Yes. I've been to something. You tell them to figure higher than 10. Oh, OK. No, but you really have gone each and every time. And it's been, you know, terrible. But like, we went to the same one, I think. Yes. No, I did Jersey. I've mentioned it before in episode three. I'm going to let you tell a story, but I'm going to recap. I won't-- Well, I mean, a lot. Of course, yeah. I said the name. One of our episodes is called "Dodge the Lodge." Yeah. Oh. So there's a saying in AA, I mean in the rehab circles, which I'd always heard was dodge the lodge. So Anyways, I went to jail in California and part of the condition of my release was I needed to complete a year rehab and So they let me go to New Jersey to go to Alina lodge because it's like the relapsors rehab Yeah, when I was there it was like one year minute minimum no coffee no cigarettes Coat and tie to dinner can't look at the women. Yeah, it was crazy. You know what? So Anyways, while I was there there was like a roboc's class you couldn't exercise I heard you can now you there was a roboc's class twice a week There were like three tribals when I was there. Oh really? The roboc that was the idea I had tea was tea there bald guy say second whatever that not decaffeinated coffee was Sankha, yeah Counting saying that's going crazy. So anyways, I was there. I'll just tell you the story real quickly. So I was there And I said I couldn't go to a roboc's class because My ankles were fucked up which was like sort of true No, because I was before my ankles because I had broke my neck when I was younger which was sort of which is true I broke my neck that I could have done the roboc's class and so I would sit with all the other like old Invalid till I couldn't do anything where supposed to just read the baby up by ourselves But I've went into broken to the kitchen stole orange juice Stole sugar packets one at a time and stole fruit and I started I learned in jail how to make pruna So I started making homemade alcohol at the rehab, right? So I made the first batch we got wasted then I made the second batch me and this other kid and we got wasted we got caught and I had a Suspended prison sentence like if I fucked up and didn't complete the like the conditions of my release I was supposed to go to prison for up to 10 years. So they found it You're immediately in trouble so strict there and they're gonna call the cops So I just fucking book it right? I just take off and they have your ID to everything They have everything I'm literally in a Button up shirt and khakis and loafers. Yeah, and I fucking book it and I had a winbreaker too And I fucking I fucking book it I sleep in the woods for like a day because I think the cops are coming after me And the waving somewhere down on the side of the road telling him my girlfriend kicked me out They drive me to the next town over and I call this woman that I used to date from California It was 15 years older than me. She wires me money. I make it to I think a bus to New York City and up staying in Harlem Shooting breaking crack down and shooting crack That's where all of his stories Yeah, so Tell them the mountain blast thing real quick sure because that's okay So I was walking on Harlem This is like I've been doing this like two or three days. I keep telling my ex I'm gonna use the money to get a flight And she sends me more money and then I just keep getting high in Harlem and so I like So like walking around and I see this in this white guy, you know, it's Harlem era's black So there's a white guy walking around He's like walking like really fucking weird like this. He's like for the dope nation I'm kind of like waving my arms Look how fancy He's walking around like this and he's all weird and I go up to him like do like what are you on and he had GHB and I never Oh, yeah, oh, I'd never try GHB before and I was like I never did GHB was like oh It's like let me get some GHB and he hands me the bottle and this is what's important is it's a bottle of Blue mountain blast power aid right which happened to be Christian My drink at the time that is your thing and I actually hold on have you ever heard that somebody's thing blue mountain power blast Not only that but when not when do you come across GHB? I mean the thought the stars aligned for you So he goes actually I've actually forgetting a piece. I didn't have so anyways I I drink the mountain blast power aid right which was GHB that he gives me that take it and I just chug like five gulps And the guy just goes I remember going he goes you're totally fucked and I was like what do you mean? He's like get away from me. He's like you're totally fucked and I was like for me Why because he's like I was gonna like I was already drunk and I chug so much that I guess I was gonna like overdose or something You know I'm gonna pass out so he's like just get away from me He's like you're totally fucked and I was like let me get some more let me get some more and I actually I forgot this piece I went into a trash can on the street and there was a bottle of blue mountain blast power aid that was empty So I vividly remember this so I grab an empty bottle of blue mountain from the garbage from the garbage And he actually pours some of his GHB from his mountain blast very generous Into mine and gives it to me and he's like okay now get away from me So I go leave I wander on I vaguely remember talking to people and then I wake up in the hospital the next day and I shut the bed and I look at my fucking wristband right? Shut being past tense and shit and the first thing I thought when I woke up in the hospital was I swear to God the first like monologue in my head was This isn't bad The first thing it was like the worst thing that like waking up in a hospital I thought he was this isn't too bad I don't know any of our story. Yeah, it's almost all right. So I look at my wristband right and I had no idea like you said and it says Charles McCullough Right that's that's my name because I had no idea. I guess that's like a John Doe and they guess your birthday I was like 24 maybe or something they guess that was like 39 like they were so far I'm salty that they were like because he was so flopped give me my phone real quick And so so they give me so they give me fucking them. So I like look at that I actually start laughing when I see my name like and I look at my Next to my bed and he knows next to my bed the bottle of blue mountain power It with the GHB and it they left it right next to my Wow. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, and the American you know people asked me that and I used to say I did I actually didn't I poured it out Why did you I was scared I got licked because it wasn't too good either Well, I don't know what it was it went from I just posted on Instagram a picture from this time I have a thought which you can see why they thought I was much older I Have a yeah much 20 years. Yeah, I have a structure. I know the picture very well. I have a structural thought What if we break up this episode into two episodes? We could let's hear the Lena Lodge story Yeah, but should you want to do that? Are you willing to come back? It's a no no no no no break it up the two episodes right now So we can record two hours, but release it as part one and part you got some gas can you go for I I could keep going Yeah, he's drinking a high ball. I'm going high ball And I haven't heard anything that I want to hear yet now that we've gotten all the fucking get right into the other way I tell the Lena Lodge to get my stupid philosophy out of the way So I said a lie alive when you just described as a terrible place and the big thing is McKenzie Phillips got so over there That's like the big they're big fake I didn't the fame. Oh, yeah, they're they're the name drop like it's you know TMZ Yeah, and I got kicked out of there and I spent six months there and they dropped me off at The Salvation Army Newark New Jersey and so I Did a bunch of that I just wasn't having it. I was just like this sucks like I'd mouth off like you know Did baby sit in those lectures and and you shot your there mark shot your I chose to forget every night Because people treat you bad because you're out Rhiners son. They don't treat me badly But they they I get treated in an uncomfortable way like I can't just be here with it sort of like yeah It's sort of like yeah, let's hear about this day. It's like I'm trying to get sober I don't want to deal with this whole other thing right now, but like I got kicked out of there and then I was living in New York City And I met up with a girl that I met from there who I'd never met before but I'd seen her every day for six months Yeah, as you see them like you can't talk to the women and it's funny because some guys will be like with somebody sort of and they've never actually talked to yeah Yeah, you're like making eyes like I know it's to each other and like there's a divide in the mess hall and the staff members like a Stoppoh members walk up and down the alley I always and to check if you're you're you were directly do you draw the pictures? No, okay, so we'd be where there you draw pictures on Saturday and they'd hang them in the mess hall So the guys and the girls used to try to communicate with each other because they would like I draw a picture and they'd hang it up in the mess hall And all the girls would so you could look at the girls ones and they'd sign their name and you could try to determine from their imagery If they were speaking to you. Wow, that's intricate. We weren't that smart. I was Wait, what was how did you do the girl? Okay, so the girl. Yeah, how did you how did that happen? I bought this story because it's crazy and I was a hundred percent sober for it So I met I planned to meet this woman. I've never met who's a who's 40 years old and keep in mind. I'm 240 yeah, I was like 18 it's where you having an eyeball romance in there. No, that was a thing I was just like maybe I'd go over do some blow there. I don't know what's gonna happen. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, I show up literally like out of a movie I'm sorry. Where are we right now? We're up where in Manhattan. I show I'm Kind of kicked out. I got I got from New Jersey to New York and I was out here for about six months How'd you get in contact with her note from rehab? Facebook they saw like you got in contact with me. Yeah I I show up and there's a coke dealer outside of the apartment already and they're doing it And I'm like could this actually be happening right now? And so the guys like super sketched out he leaves we go back up into the apartment She's railing lines of cocaine and I I didn't really want to get to intimate with her and make out with her So one thing led to another so we got in the shower and can we talk on this guy? - Yeah, yeah. - Okay, we can talk about everything besides. - Dude, I tell a story and he's gonna get mad at you. - I tell a story where I was shooting meth and the guy was begging to let him suck my dick while I was watching porn saying no and jerking off. - Okay, perfect. - So you can say anything. - You can say anything. - Okay, so I'm fingering her in the shower and she's really sort of small. And I guess I wasn't, I pulled my finger out and there was something on the tip of it and it was disc to a brown color and it was shit. And I think I accidentally was fingering her, her asshole. (laughing) And she finished me off and then I left, I left the place and like three and this is, how did she finish you up? - She, you know, she took her hand and she did me a surgery. - It was a manual. - It was a manual. - And then I said, "My goodbye is on my left." And this is where it gets sad. - I've learned three months later that she had killed herself. - Oh my God. - Yeah. - It was because she never wanted to be able to get in her ass. - And my friend makes the joke that she killed herself 'cause she's so ashamed of what happened with me. - Yeah, it was because of the finger her ass hole. - Yeah. - She was like, "Why are you sticking your fingers in my mouth? My life isn't worth living anymore." - Oh man, that's a wild story dude. - That was so professional. - That was a legal lodge. - You must have a lot of stories 'cause like we just mentioned a legal lodge and that's in a legal lodge. - I was even like a rehearser. - This is a dumb question. I understand that you met her on Facebook. - You didn't know her name. How did you find her? - I knew her name. - I did know her name. - You know people's names. You kind of get some information and so I was able to like find her and then how did you find out she died? - On Facebook. - That's so sad. - That's what you posted. - You know what you did? You snorted cocaine with her? - No, I did. I was so turned off by the way she was snoring cocaine. - It was the only time they ever turned down free cocaine. It was just like in a manner that I was like, I don't wanna do coke like this. - What was in a manner? - So you can't even blame the bubble fingering on being on coke. - No, I was just an idiot. - I was way too loose to try my not idiots. You were sober for that. That was the point. It was sober. It was sober for this event. - She's blowing lines. - She's blowing lines in an unattractive way than me. - What was unattractive? - She was attractive. - I was telling it. - Just the bubble fingering. - Today, the next. - I think the unattractive style of doing coke. - What is she doing? - She was aggressively huffing you. - She was isn't cute. - No. - Okay, well then she couldn't have done it. - Okay. - She was, yeah. - Okay, maybe you're on to something. - So she wasn't cute. And maybe that's why you fingered her ass for a while too. - Why I was fingering her on the first place was so I wouldn't have to ever make out of her. - Wow. - Did you never kiss her? - I didn't kiss her. - Oh my god, that's brutal, dude. - That's tough. - That story is beyond. - Beyond, beyond. - I like it. Except that she's dead. God bless her. - God bless her. - Dude, I once ate a girl out on mushrooms and drunk in college and she was so, she lived right down the hall for me. She was so disgusting that I would think about it and I'd want to vomit whenever I thought about it. I didn't even remember eating her out. I just knew what she looked like and she was like four doors down for me and I literally turned entirely nocturnal. I don't even leave my room at like 2 a.m. because I just never wanted to see her. I was so grossed out of the room. - Have you ever used with two people from two separate programs in one city, one central city? - Wait, what do you mean by that? - Like from two separate rehabs? - Yeah. - No, I haven't done that. - I haven't. - And that formed the craziest four days of my life. - Yeah, I've used with people from rehab, it's been pretty bad. There's actually one guy, the drug dealer's story story that I met in this, have you heard an impact in LA? - Oh, that I heard his heart call. - I was there twice. - Is that like cry help? - Yeah, it's like cry help. So cry help is Karen Renaissance impact. Cry help is very similar actually. - 'Cause you go to Renaissance. - Actually, we have to, we have a prank phone call on this to cry help. We had our, my friend prank phone call cry help because I was just having a prank like pretty hardcore rehabs like Tarzanah treatment center, cry help. - I don't know. - And he calls cry help and he's like, help. - He's crying out. - I'll play for you later, it's pretty funny to you. - That's the farm one? - That is the farm one. - The farm one's really funny. He's like, I'm a farmer, can I please bring animals when I go into treatment? And then Chris is in the background playing side on defects of sheep and goats and shit. And then he said he was diagnosed with multiple personality disorder at birth and they were like, at birth. And he's like, yeah, he's like, well, he's like, I was like an infant, maybe like one years old. They're like, with multiple personality disorders, like, yo. - Do you even have one personality at one? - Yeah. - How can you have multiple personalities? - We really need to hone his prank phone call. - I have one friend. - He doesn't laugh, so he's really good. - He can go for 20 minutes on that one and he didn't laugh. - We just need to hone his prank phone call. - Should we stop this and then restart? - Yeah, I gotta take a breath. - Okay. - All right. All right, dopey nation. - Take two. - That was Nick. - Two brockly. - Yeah, what the fuck man? - Easy thing, you have to say. - Oh yeah, drop a review. Nick's gonna be on again, but if you have any questions for Nick, you can email dopey [email protected] and we'll send them to Nick. - [email protected]. We will send them along today. - Write a review on iTunes. Are you on the iPhone? - I have one, yeah. - So we can get you to write a review. We're trying to get people to write reviews. - I write a review. - All right, just answer me like anything. Just a good job. - Just a little bit more. - I hope the dopey nation doesn't hate me completely in that. - They're gonna love you, they hate me. - The only person that hate is me. - Dopey nation, stay strong. We're gonna come back this same week with part two of Nick Reiner. So thank you though, Nick for part one. - Thanks for having me. - Awesome, super awesome and stay strong. - I wanna take you all around the world. I wonder what it'd do me any good. Until I get some money in my pocket then I guess. I just have to walk around my neighborhood. But I wanna be good so bad. Wanna be so good, so bad, so bad. I wanna be good, so bad. Bad desires all I ever had. And I wanna take the ride of business guy. Watch the Zera claim just pass me by. And I wanna seal the air. Bad desires all I ever had.