Dogman Encounters Episode 386 (1 Dogman Looked Bear-Like. The Other 2 Looked Like Hyenas!)

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Code Val for new users on void were prohibited by law. 18 plus terms and conditions apply. [Music] [Music] [Music] Tonight's guest is Jay. Jay, welcome to the show. Hello, Vic. How are you doing today? Hey, Jay, I'm doing great. How are you? Doing all right. Good. Well, that beats your alternative. Jay, please give us a brief bio on yourself. Well, my name's Jeremy. I go by Jay. I'm from Oklahoma. Kind of a southern boy. I'm an outdoorsman. I like to rumble through the woods with my fishing pole and deer hunt. I got two kids. I got a daughter that's 11 and a son that's 10. Just so crazy that my daughter was born on St. Patrick's Day and I found a four-lead clover two weeks before a birthday and I framed it for her. But I raised up in Oklahoma but then I moved to Louisiana there for about a year or two and the backwards Louisiana down there in the swamps and kind of seen some things down there like some maligators and stuff like that. I always love going out fishing. That's just my thing. You know, I can't have enough of the water. And if that's where I could be, that's where I would be at, you know, all day, every day. Just out there by the water, lake fishing, campfire, tent, RV. I would actually like to own my own RV and bait tackle shop one day. That's my whole go for my retirement plan is when I'm about 40-something. I would like to have an RV to just travel all the states like Minnesota, the Great Lakes. Just going on footage of life weekend and having a bait and tackle shop right there where I can open up and just kind of sell bait and tackle that fishermen so they don't have to lead their area. You know, because it's a long drive to go back in town if you lose a hook or two or some fish and string and well there I am in the RV. So that's my retirement plan. Other than that, I'm just down here in Oklahoma. I'm a landscaper. I was a foreman for Edmund Landscapes here in Oklahoma there for a while and then I moved to a golf course and I became the boss out there at the golf course and I was setting up the golf game early in the morning, you know, and it's right next to a zoo. The zoo is right behind the golf course that I worked out. So every morning I'd get out there about five in the morning and get stuff ready with my head, lamp on my head and my golf cart and my little tools and I would always hear the wild animals behind me. You know, sometimes I'd see some open deer run through the fields because there's a tree line right there. It's actually in a Martin Luther King down here in Oklahoma's called Lincoln Park Golf Forces where I worked for the city but I heard all kinds of animals before, you know, and well that's where my story's gonna going at, but other than that, I just really like going outdoor and fishing. I just caught my biggest catfish or flathead in October actually in the middle of cold weather and cold season, about 430 in the morning, I'm out here by Lake Overhoaster in Oklahoma and I'm out fishing and I set out my whole year goal plan of this year to catch at least a 10 pound or bigger because I haven't caught a 10 pound flathead since I was a kid probably about eight or nine years old with my pops and I just didn't remember the fight because I was so young, you know, so I fished all year long man. I even broke my ankle and was in a wheelchair down there fishing like I wasn't about to give up and finally in October I got two lines out there. I got a little minnow swimming around and then I got me a little blue gear, a little perch just a couple inches big. Well, I get one bite and it's about a three and a half pound, four pound blue. So, you know, I set my pole back up and I'm waiting about another 20 minutes goes by and then I get a little just a little tap on it and I see my glow stick out there just kind of bobbing up. So I set the hook on him and it was a monster, let me tell you, it pulled me a ankle deep in because my reel, I just wasn't ready for how big he was going to be and it kind of stripped the reel, you know, the bearings a little bit. So I had to walk out ankle deep to kind of give him some line to play with, you know, so he wouldn't break it. Well, finally it caught it, you know, the line started coming out when I drug him. It's about a 45 minute fight with this playhead and I weighed him out. He was 25 pounds. He was half the size of me. That's not telling you much. I'm only about five, four, five, five, 36 years old. I'm born in November. I just had a birthday actually on the 14th of this month. So I thought it was real cool. I caught him. You know, I didn't give up on my goal plan that I set out. Most people, you know, they'll put a goal out there at the beginning of the year and just not succeed through it all the way through, you know, they'll kind of lose their track of what they're wanting to do for the year. I know the people, the groups that I hang around, they do, you know, they're always joking around with it. Well, I stuck to my guns and I fished every day in day, but I love it anyway, but I did it even with a broken ankle and a wheelchair and caught him. Well, a man that breaks his ankle and winds up still fishing in a wheelchair. He's serious about fishing. I'm impressed. You sure are lucky that big tusker catfish didn't pull you out into the deep water though. Oh, I'm going to ankle deep. Yeah, thank goodness for that. And you got to think he's 25 pounds and I'm five foot four and about 130 pounds. I'm not a very big guy. You know, I'm, I'm a small figure guy. So he put up a heck of a fight. Well, a catfish normally do. So I believe it, especially one that big. Loving the fish the way you do, how often did you fish before he had that first encounter? I fished all the time. I fished as much as I could. Any chance, any possibility that that was, you know, I had my fishing pose in the back of the Jeep over a car, you know, and if we had some spare time or free time and I've seen a river or I've seen a fishing pond, I'd tell it, you know, hey, pull over. Let me go throw my line in the water for about 30, 40 minutes. You know, see what I can do. So I mean, I was always doing it as much as I could when I had the chance. Yes, sounds like you did go a lot. How did that first encounter you had affect your interest in fishing, though? Well, it kind of stopped me from going late at night to likes like that. Because I just didn't know what was out there, man. Like, you know, my friends were laughing at me thinking it was all funny in the game. And I'm like, man, it was real. Like, I seen some stuff out there, man. It was real. And I didn't know what was going to happen to me, dude. And it's kind of made me slow down at the night fishing and a wooded area like that. And I mean, it's still a spooky now. Oh, I'm sure it is. He went from it being a safe place to just go and enjoy the fishing to all of a sudden. You know, what's really out there. So no, that makes sense. That don't realize smart people use smartphones, huh? Sand through CBS they thought was going to slide. Download text now 'cause it cuts out cloutery. You can literally activate it from your couch. Nationwide 5G with the same towers the other companies use. Pay what you want or not at all. You're in control. 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We're prohibited by law. ♪ Crown coins casino ♪ - When you told your friends about that first thing counter and they told you that you were crazy, that almost hurt as much as having the encounter itself. - Yeah, a little bit because I was telling the truth and they just kept thinking I was lying and making something up or saying that I was messed up, I was drunk and they kind of just upset me a little bit to think that they would think that I'm not telling the truth about it. - Well, I'm sure it did hurt. Yeah, anytime you have an experience like that and you reach out to friends or family for help and they do that, they respond that way then. - Yeah, it is gonna hurt. Before we move on, if you've had a dogman encounter of your own and would like to speak with me about it, whether in private or on the show, either way is fine, please go to dogmanencounters.com and submit a report. I'd love to hear from you. All right, Jay, please tell us about your encounters now. Give us every last detail that comes to mind. - Okay, big. I was at my house actually with my girlfriend, which was really cool because at that moment, I started working my landscaped golf course and she was working at UPS, which was only about two miles down the road from this house. Well, we're homeless. And my mom, before she passed, she was a very Christian woman. I always went to church, you know? And there was a pastor named Jimmy Bean and there was a guy named Billy, which was his grandson, her nephew. And my sister was with him at the time, my older sister, which I call her like my second mom, 'cause she was always there for me and I'm always gonna love her, you know? But words living out there and they told me that hey, the pastor has an extra house, just kind of wiped down the road from us over here on Portland and Oklahoma. So we started renting this house for like a month or two. So that's where I'm at, you know, I'm in this house now. I have a car, I actually had an in Portland, 2001, man. And let me tell you, I really loved that in Portland, man, I had fixed that stereo in there really well. Like I put out school outpiling in there with about a 1500 watt amp or two 12s, you know? So I'm beating like an in-power should be, you know? I had the windows tinted and just rode real smooth. First Chevy, actually, that I ever owned. And the thing I could think of was while I was driving that car was that old Chevy commercial, like a rock, 'cause I mean, I've had like three accidents in that bad boy at the time and it just never fended me. Like I'm all metal, baby. And they were plastic, like a din of them up on me. And it was like a rock. So I'm sitting there and we get into this hot discussion, me and my girlfriend and we start arguing. And I'm just like, you know what, I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna go cool off. I'm gonna get in my car. I'm gonna go smoke a cigarette. Listen to some music and I'm gonna go jam out and just take off. And like I said before, you know, I always carry my fish pros in my car. So that's nothing new, you know? So my stuff's in my car and I get in the car to get away from the situation of me and her arguing. And I just kinda hit the highway and it's pretty late at night. It's roughly around two thirty-ish, three, maybe two forty. And I'm just driving on the highway over here on two forty, going south, you know, going out towards the country, not even paying attention to any roads or what I'm doing. Just jamming and smoking a cigarette and just relaxing, you know, and I start heading out towards chopped all and pebly and all that out there. And that's more out into the country now. You know, I'm out of city limits now. And I kind of just, it's roughly around three now. And I'm not even paying attention. And that's the thing that's getting me is 'cause I can't remember where I was exactly at the time, but I'll pull off the exit. It's got pavement on it. At the time, you know, I'm in this pavement for about a half a mile. I'm on a pavement road. So I'm thinking I'm doing good. But then it turns into a dirt road. And there's woods all around it. And it's super dark and I'm already kind of night blind. Like it's really hard for me to start, you know, kind of see a night. That great. So I'm just cruising along, man. Through these woods, these dirt roads. And I'm zigzagging, taking a left, and I'm riding. And I'm just jamming out, getting lost out in the country on these roads, not even thinking nothing, you know? And I start thinking about my grill 'cause I look over at the passenger and well, there's our hoodie. And it wasn't that cold just that night. She like the wearer hoodie when she got off work 'cause she worked sometimes at night at UPS. But I believe it was in the middle of summer. And this was last year, actually. So it was, yeah, I'm gonna say about late July. So it's pretty good and warm, but still a little breeze coming in. I'm on these dirt roads just lost. And there's this fog that kind of comes over the road. Which is kind of crazy. And I'm like, we're just like this deep fog kind of just covered the road for a while. And I slow the car down real slow. And I turn my row beams on, you know? 'Cause that's what I was told you're supposed to do. 'Cause you put the high beams on, you can't see through the fog. So I turn my lows on. And I kind of crank my music down a little bit. So I kind of listen to see what's going on and turn my window down. So I'm just driving in this fog. And I'm missing her right now because we just got into this argument. Everything and the fog, you know? So I'm going real slow in this fog. And it goes on for, I'm guessing for at least a mile of fog and I'm not even sure where I'm at now because of the fog and everything. Well, I come out of the fog right at the ending of this fog, there's a lake in front of me and there's a boat dock. And well, you know, of course, like I told you earlier, I love fishing, you know? So I'm thinking this is a good opportunity to go out and fish and just chill out and get my mind off of everything. So I pull up, you know? And there's a whole tree line, okay? There's a tree line, there's an old boat dock. And the thing is, I don't, I don't really recall this lake, the spot right here. I'm not even sure where I'm at the moment because I've never really been there. And it's kind of got fog over the water but there's no fog behind me. Just there's like a smoke over the water over there. And I parked the car and I get out and light me up a cigarette and I'll walk up to the boat dock and get my pose all set up and get ready to get thrown out. And I start thinking about baby again 'cause I love her. And I missed her and I'm like, man, I wish we wasn't arguing and everything, but I was like at the same time. I was like, well, I am at a good lake probably, you know? I'm thinking maybe I can catch something good. So I was 50/50 on it, but I got my fishing pose now set up and I throw them out there and I'm fishing for a minute. And I'm watching this smoke over. Well, I hear this sound bit. And like I told you before, I worked at the golf course behind the zoo. So I've heard some wild animal different kind of animals because to zoo, you know? But this sound, the only sound that I could think of at the time was hyena sound like that kind of sound, like a pack of them. And I'm like, where's it? coming from, you know, I don't see them, I just hear them. And so I'm just like, you know, that it stops for a minute so I blow it off, you know, when I'm in the bag of my mind, I'm like, trying to figure out what this is. And at the time, I don't have a phone. My phone's turned off. I turned it off way earlier. So I wouldn't have no distractions. So I wouldn't be arguing with her on the ride. So I cool off, you know. So I'm not, I don't have a phone and nothing. And there ain't nobody else out there but me. I don't see no cars. I don't see nothing. And if you ever heard a beaver slap the water with its tail, it sounds like something in the water. And that's the second sound that I'm hearing is there's a beaver out there slapping the water. But then I looked over about 80 feet diagonally sitting over there on the rocks standing. My first thought was, man, that's a bear. What is a bear doing in Oklahoma? What is this thing in it? And like I told you, I can't see great at night. But I can see the outline and I can see it. And I can see the fur and it's black. And there is some silver in it. And it's face was kind of squished in. And this is the details that I can get that I'm looking at. And he's throwing these rocks into the water. He's not paying attention to me at all. He's just throwing these big rocks into the water. And they're going, douche, douche. And I'm like, man, this is weird. This is really freaking weird. And I'm not even sure what it is right now. Because I'm thinking I'm in an Oklahoma day. I mean, there it was black bears out. I think east more like out you towards you following all that. I think there was some out there in the mountains, you know. And the witch tall mountains and stuff like that, but not out here. I mean, I'm guessing I'm only about 30, 40 miles out of the city limits now, you know, because I didn't I didn't think I drove that far out of the city to be out east, you know, because that takes like two hours to get out there. So I'm like, think, what is this? And I get this presence that something is staring at me. And I'm still on this boat dock in the middle of the water, in the middle of the night. It's probably close to about four, three, 40-ish, and there's still that smoke on the water. And it was a clear night. There wasn't a bright moon. There was a bright moon out there. And I was one of the things that I do remember because I was like, man, it's a nice moon. And I love fishing on a full moon. But I think this presence staring at me from the tree lines behind me kind of where my cars parked at. They don't realize smart people use smartphones, huh? Seeing through BS they thought was going to slide. Download text now because it cuts out clonery. You're in control. Free app based talk and text me the text now app requires Wi-Fi or data connection data plans all separately. 5G were available. This is Cisney from OnAir with Ryan Seacrest. Okay, real talk. I love the idea of wider teeth. But I don't want to wonder whether the sensitivity from a whitening treatment will make every cold drink, you know what I mean? It's clinically proven to whiten teeth without the wints. 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He would have to you know take that whole walk around because there was all of them trees going into the water so he couldn't just unless he went into the water and walked towards me then he could get to me but other than that he was on the he was on the rock line that started from the tree line and up but then I looked behind me and dude it's like two high heels but I only see their half of their I'm in their face and half their neck I don't see their whole body I just see it from the neck up and there's two of them and their hair rose up and it was black with silver tip on it and they're just staring at me and don't give me line I want to say the eyes color I don't remember honestly I want to say the red and I want to say their yellow but I just think my mind went blank at the moment that I'm staring at them like that and I don't remember the eye color but I do remember that face and I remember their fur and I remember this and it looked like a hyena but a taller like two taller ones and I'm thinking in my head dude hyenas in Oklahoma then I overwhelming sense of fear and just get the heck out of there get my stuffing though I got to get I got to go you know that's what it's telling me that's what I'm feeling and I couldn't rule up my post faster than I ever had in my life and I didn't want to run I didn't want to run but I wanted to walk fast and cautiously to the car I felt like if I was going to run then I might want to set something off and they might attack me so I kind of just stood tight and walked real fast with my stuff in my hand and I got in my car so fast that I broke my fishing poles off and so I'm I'm driving down these dirt roads I'm smashing now like I'm in my car you know this is the Impala baby it's like a rock so I'm driving hecked out of there out of dodge and I'm hitting these roads man in a finally I come to a pavement road and this was probably about 15 minutes or so after driving down these roads out of getting there and it's like Alameda street out in Norman Oklahoma and I find my way back from there because you know I know my directions now I'm in Alameda in Norman and I can get on the highway again and get back home well I get home it's roughly about six thirty almost seven in the morning and I'm sitting on my couch man I can't sleep I'm smoking a whole pack of cigarettes I'm sitting there thinking what I just seem well my girlfriend and my buddy walks in the house and I look at him and and they're looking at me and I tell him I said hey man you'll never believe what I just seen and they was like what I said I see I'm there in two high heels and Oklahoma act as late and that's the only thing I got that I could think of I never heard a dollar man I never heard of anything like that before and so those were the only two things that I could think of that I seen and I just couldn't wrap around what they called me crazy and they were like was you drunk was you messed up I said no I left that night when me and her gone to the argument I didn't get drunk I didn't do anything I just went pulled my mind off and she goes yeah well she's you know she knew because I left right there while we were all you know I wasn't drinking and she told my buddy she goes yeah he wasn't messed up because I was with them all night and he just didn't believe me well she did she kind of believed me a little bit because we have seen some strange things in the sky before and like we're out pilfering one night on the south side you know we just going through stuff like big trash and there's a lot of cool stuff with my other cousin as me my girl my cousin and we're in the Apollo and we get up to 25th and May and man I'm surprised I didn't notice it but there's this circle shape object floating in the air I mean this is just some of the strange things that mean her have seen over the time and mean her has been through a lot of places I took her all the way to Nevada lost Vegas air zone of the Grand Canyon I mean I showed this girl the life you know like she hasn't had before and I think that's maybe why she loves me but so it was just real strange it's so she kind of partially believed me but then again she was skeptic about it too because it's hard to believe that and I'm telling her like men this is real so I kind of just didn't go back fish and laid it night like that by myself again I would go it just dramatized me to think that there was something out there that was crazy especially a pack of high heaters and a wild bear together it just didn't make sense to me so I would go ever occasionally with a buddy So, we had a laner and we'd go out to the night, you know, night fishing. But it took a cool while before I started going out fishing again. And I, well, this is when the second occurrence happened to me. Because I'm in a wheelchair now. Yeah, this is when I broke my ankle and I told you I was determined to catch that big one this year. Well, me and my cousins at the house, it gets about 10, 30 at night or so. And I'm just a super bored man sitting there in a wheelchair. Like, man, I got some fishing bait, man. I'm about, you know, when they start talking, they're drinking. And my sister, which stays way across town and is a little bit of a house, she's arguing about my little couple of suitcases of clothes. And nobody would give me a ride. So I'm like, you know, I'm gonna go hand it up on my own. I'm gonna get in this wheelchair. I want to push myself down the river walk all the way down the Martin Luther King when my sister says, but I'm taking my fishing pose because on the way, I'm a fish, you know, because it's all the way down the river, just one shot, but in a wheelchair. And night, I'm crazy, right? And so I pedal off. I had to be on the main road for about a mile and a half. It was about 11, 30 and I'm pushing myself with my backpack and my fish pose in this wheelchair. I finally get to the on ramp to the bike trails of the river. About that time, I did all this. It took me so long. It's getting about 12, 30 almost one o'clock in the morning. And I'm halfway through this journey that I think I'm about to take, you know. And I'm pushing myself down the river. I get tired. I ain't nobody around. It's late at night. Not fished this area my whole life. And there's one street, I mean, there's an orange globe, a lamp, and it's kind of flickering. And I'm sitting there in my wheelchair and I kind of doze off. But I hear this. I'm talking about like a beast man, like a hundred pound rock while they're just running up on me. Like as fast as possible, like he's about to attack me. My eyes wide open, I ball my fist up in the wheelchair, that's my only self defense other than my hatch, that's my backpack. And this thing was running like up on me. So I'm ready to punch it in the face, you know. And there's nothing there, dude. I'm like, what? And I look down and there's these paw prints in the dirt, like fresh one. And I'm in there big. And there's nothing there. I didn't see anything. All I heard was that sound and the print, I mean, it came so close, I mean, it came up on me, but it just went. Like, I don't know what it was. I swear to God, it was like a hundred pound rock while they did. It was humongous and it was coming fast. And I mean, mean, it was coming. And I think that one spooked me more than the other time. Because now, I really don't even like going to that river at night, like by myself anymore. I just get a weird feeling in vibe, man. Like, there's something in the woods watching me, you know, Vic. That really spooked me out. I mean, especially being in a wheelchair, I was defenseless. I'm 5'4" and I'm pretty tough. I'm not scared of nobody, you know. I mean, I'll go out there and get my, get a bloody nose if I got to. But man, this thing right here, I didn't, I didn't have no self-defense. I was just in a wheelchair with a cast on my foot in the middle of the night in a wheelchair at the river. And, I mean, that's, that's my story, man. And that's, that's what happened to me. So, you know, months go by, man. I really don't tell nobody other than my girlfriend and my buddy. And they told me I was crazy. So, I'm, I got my niece Hailey and my nephew Ian. Well, their dad's Clint, my brother-in-law. And I'm down there in the country. They stay out in Charlottesville. And I'm down there visiting them. I mean, they're into this spooky stuff, you know. They're cool with it, you know, like we always have good conversations about it. Like it just gets going. And man, I start telling Clint my brother-in-law about this thing, you know. And my niece Hailey and my nephew's right there in the listening. And Clint goes, dude, you've got to check this out on the internet, man. That sounds like a dog man. And I'm like, what? What is a dog man? And he puts these pictures on it. And I'm like, dude, that's it, right there. Like I started getting chills down my spine. I started feeling like douche bumps, my hair rose up. I'm like, stand at this picture. Like it's staring back at me. And I'm like, man, dude, that right there is what I've seen. Seeing through BS, they thought was going to slide. Download text now because it cuts out cloutery. You're in control. Show these ridiculous carriers we ain't paying for stupid. Because we're way too smart to pay them. 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And I'm like, yeah, I mean, I would like to do that, you know? And, um, man. So, I mean, months went by before I actually contacted you. I actually was just the other day, you know? I mean, cool. And I left their house. And back in my mind, I was constantly running through my head at the dog man and you and everything. Well, just the other day, I go down there and stay for about a week with everyone of them. And of course, we start talking about stuff again. And that's when he actually showed me what, you know, how to get in contact with you. And that's when he actually gave me the hoodie of the dog man. And I still, every time I see the picture of the dog man dude, that comes up on the internet. Just like the one, it's just, it still gives me like a creepy feeling, like a weird feeling. Like, I don't know if he knows that I'm even looking at his picture or something. And it just, it raises the hair on me to look at it. It really does. And so, I'm glad I got in contact with you to share my story to you and let you know. Well, I'm glad you did too. Thank goodness for that. You gave us some details about how that bear-like dog man looked. But there are a lot of things you didn't tell us, a lot of things you left out. Please take your time now and describe and forest as accurately as you can from top to bottom. Well, the one I was standing up is the one that I really got to kind of get the image of. Like I said, I'm not that great at seeing a night. And I was smoke on the water. But this thing was the size of a black bear but skinnier on the two feet. And dude, he was strong. He was picking up these rocks that were huge. And his face was squished in like a bear condo. You know what the squished in nose that I can remember. And I don't know about the ears, man. They weren't really that big either. I mean, he just had that kind of round face of one with the small. And I didn't get to see no any tea. I mean, like I seen his mouth kind of open but I didn't get to really see because I'm kind of hard at seeing. And that's so I just got to see that image of it. But I could tell instantly, I seen the silver tips in his hair. That's what I did see. Especially the ones in the hyena. The ones that I got to see from the neck up. Man, now those spaces were the shape of like a hyena spaces. And they were kind of just snarled at me. I can remember them just kind of like with the tea. And they were just like kind of growling. But I didn't hear the growl. But I heard. the hyena sound and that's but I seen the faces and like they they opened up and like they were just kind of telling me man like you know those were descriptions like they're just they had that face of a hyena and I could just tell man like they were going to get me and their neck wasn't that long it was kind of a short neck and the fur kind of went down it was real fuzzy up in the neck area that raised up you know there was a bunch of that fur but then it kind of shed it out as I seen the neckline going down and then on his chest area I don't remember seeing that much air either or on his legs the eye colors man I really I can't remember I went blank at the moment that I was like I did I couldn't see him in the eyes man or something you know like I just I just kind of lost the wind bling but I kind of want to say that we're like that that moon yellowish but then again I'm thinking like maybe the other one have some red eyes I just remember the two colors and I ain't trying to lie down now this is all real but the the jaw lines yeah I mean and the fur that stood up on this ears I mean I don't know it it's still kind of crazy to think about it if I start to really dig deep in my mind to thinking about it again pulling it out because I just got freaked out you know it was real and the crazy thing is nobody really believes me about it like they thought I was crazy and I'm like man there was high heels out there but they were tall then just regular they weren't real scrunched down the ones that were better than two but the bare one man he was strong throwing big rocks and of course I'm a fisherman I'm thinking beaver slap in the water but then there's that figure throwing these rocks in the water and I'm like no no no then I mean that's that's the details that I can get into because I didn't see him very long I mean well the bare one he was just standing there without me even minding anybody's business just doing it so I didn't good look at him but it was so shadowy of a dark I mean because he was on the other side on the rocks and I was out in the boat doctor so I seen the outline of him you know and that's the description that I can remember is that bare face squinched in kind of him standing up but skinny I'm not going to say he was probably about five six I mean he wasn't what it looked to me he was a little taller than me and I'm about five fours so I'm thinking he was just a few inches taller me out so that's why I said black bear because I don't own think black bears you know they get tall but not like a young black bear kind of and me and my brother-in-law was thinking maybe he was like the youngster you know out of him he was a full grown or something because he was like man they get really big and I was like well this one wasn't he was just like maybe five six or so when he stood on the other ones were pretty tall I mean up in the air but they weren't standing up they were you know on their paws if the one that looked kind of bear-like was only five six or so then yeah that's pretty small for a dog man there's no doubt about that could you see what his leg structure looked like in other words could you tell if he had hominid style legs like people or a sask watch or if he had legs like a dog you know to be honest with you think I don't really really I don't remember the bottom part of it I mean the leg part um I wish I would have focused in more and got my eyesight kind of I just remember how I mean where I was standing from and I'm not that great on measurements I've never been that great in math and stuff like that so I mean he could have been taller the his stomach part went in but I don't remember the legs like that I don't remember if they were skinny or if they were fat I don't remember see I mean I don't remember looking down at that part like I was looking up in the more of the chest area because he was standing there and he wasn't as bad as a bear would be he was skinnier and well don't feel bad 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dogman seem to be dominant over the ones that look like hyenas or vice versa men the two hyenas look like they were more of the the hunters and I I start thinking about it now and I'm thinking maybe that was a whole distraction to to get me like him throwing out the water the rocks you know to get me focused over here and for them to creep around on me because when I felt that presence they were coming around that tree they were on the like half through that tree line back to come out and so I believe that they were more of the predatory hunters you know like they was ones I think he was just out there to they was playing a game trick on me they were hunters game distract me on him while they come up behind I can understand why you'd feel that way but yeah that's not the case if they wanted to get you they would have gotten you they were just having fun with you and that's all there was to it or the two that looked like hyenas more frightening to look at than the one that looked like a beer or vice versa in your opinion no the the hyenas were definitely more scarier they're the ones that put the more thread into me the bear when he looked he was just weird you know it was just like I mean it was strange like I felt real weird about it But then the two on the tree line, That's too high here in one's man, they put the beer in me, those are the ones that the hair stood upon me and was like, I need to go, I gotta get, you know, they're the ones to tell me I need to leave. You just said that you felt like you needed to get, but you stood there and waited to reel in your lines on both poles and then carrying both poles to the car instead of just leaving the poles and getting the heck out of Dodge. Looking back on what happened that night, Diavni regrets about doing that or are you still glad that you reeled in the lines on both rods and then got out of there? Well Vic, that's kind of funny because I was about to leave my fishing poles man. I'm a fisherman like I told you earlier, those were pretty nice fishing poles. I don't have many more, but at the time man, I really liked them and so I took my time. I mean, I was reeling in fast, don't get it twisted, I was reeling in real quick. The only thing I regret is breaking them when I threw them in the back of my car, because I threw them in the back of my own pole was so fast that I slammed the door and it just broke all the tips off. I mean, I was like dang, I mean, I had to get out of there, so I just, I forgot to break them down because they split half, you know, so they could fit in the car easier. I forgot to even do that. I just threw them right in the back seat, slammed that door in it, just bruised. I mean, just broke them and I was like, man, well it's a shame that you broke your rods like that, but at least you made it out of there in one piece, so that's a good thing. You said that your second encounter spooked you more than the first one did. Why is that considering the fact that you didn't even see anything the second time? Well, I'll tell you because of the sound and because I didn't see nothing, it made me crazy, it made me think in my losing my mind right now because there was something running towards me like a big humongous rock leather dog, man, that's all I could thought of is somebody brought their dog and let them out here to run the track on the bike tracks out here off the river dude. I mean, this thing was just, I mean, just running up like ready to just eat me and attack me like they like it was coming. The only thing I could do was open my eyes and grab my fist and just start to punch and there's nothing and that's what I'm like, what, what, and I look down there as these big paw prints that were fresh next to me in the wheelchair and the dirt. I mean, so that one, that one spooked me. The other ones I seen them and they told me to get out of there like I had that feeling, you know, but this one I didn't see and it was running towards me like it was about to get me and that's what is scary for me. I can understand why you feel that way and a lot of cases not being able to see what's supposedly coming after you, it is a lot worse than seeing what it is and being able to make some firm conclusions about things. So yeah, I get it, I understand. When you first told your girlfriend about what happened to you the night you had that first encounter, you said that she was skeptical about it. What did she think about that encounter now? I really don't know. She hasn't really told me her opinion about it. She's been kind of quiet about it. She isn't said much about it. She does wear my dog man hoodie though, everyone's in the wild, but yeah, she hasn't really said anything about it really much. So I'm not sure. Be honest with you. Yeah, it doesn't sound like she believes you, but at least she wears the hoodie, so I guess it could be worse. I'll tell you what, it's about time for us to get out if you're in Jay, but before we do, do you have any closing comments you'd like to share? 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